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If i had eggs


If I had eggs, I would start this note with the words “when I served in the army,” even if I had never actually served. But since I don’t have eggs and I can’t refer to personal experience, talking about the intricacies of military service, I rely on common sense.

So this my common sense categorically refuses to understand why, although Dagestanis are being drafted into the army, they are very few. So little that the President of Dagestan even asked Minister Shoigu to call for them more, and he promised, and this promise caused a terrible confusion among officers and military experts, explained by the fact that Dagestanis, having joined the army, unite on a national basis and begin to criticize everyone - therefore they are not called to the army. And the Chechens, by the way, too. Rather, they serve, but somewhere out there, at home. In Itum-Kale.

From the point of view of my senseless common sense, such a solution to the problem looks so absurd that I cannot even call it a solution. This is not a decision, but surrender: pissed and streamlined. Because if some army recruits dissuade other recruits, then this speaks badly not about conscripts, but about the army. The fact that her officers - the last horse schmuck, who can not restore order in the barracks and force yourself to obey.

In short, what kind of army is this, if it cannot cope with its own Dagestanis?

And how will she then fight with external enemies? Have you thought?

I've been thinking. And I came to the conclusion that in any way. Common sense tells me that our army is a creepy, rusty, unorganized hulk. And all the talk about the fact that Serdyukov successfully carried out some kind of reform is an empty talk, covering the substitution of concepts and goals.

Achievements of his reforms are called cosmetic changes: someone was merged, someone was merged, someone was renamed. But not a word is said about the main thing that characterizes the army - about combat effectiveness. And she, judging by stories with Dagestanis, remained the same as twenty years ago. Cold, snotty conscripts, who are not beaten only by lazy, smart-ass contract soldiers who never go to a dangerous place, and nihilists-officers, who "only get an apartment, and in the coffin, I saw this army."

What about the fact that they raised wages? They couldn’t know how to command, and now they don’t know how - they can't even cope with Caucasian conscripts.

Nothing changes the fact that the soldiers themselves are not cleaning up the barracks themselves, but “outsourcing” women. And the fact that these same women cook food for the soldiers. This is not the main thing in the army - whoever washes the floor and dishes there. This is all secondary. The main thing - how is she fighting? What can she do if war? And will her losses be great?

Because with meat, our army, of course, casts anyone. But this is just not desirable. In any case, I - without eggs.

In the old days, when there was no outsourcing yet, senior officers, praising the army, told about fighters from the provinces who "saw white sheets for the first time here." I always wanted to ask them: “Why do you call them to the army? Show sheets? ”

The enumeration of the achievements of the Serdyukov reform raises the same question: “Why do you call in the army? Feed the dinners that prepared hired women? ”

The main thing is that all this fornication is pronounced with such pathos and so meaningfully that a stranger - without eggs or with eggs - really begins to believe that the army has really changed for the better and is now able to fight effectively and competently.

It is only necessary to remove the Dagestanis from it. And then she was scared.
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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 6 May 2013 05: 32 New
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    About the form in which it is written I will not say anything - moderators will not miss am At least someone will remember that a Caucasian who did not serve in the army is this with a capital letter that has no chance in his homeland for anything? Russia will manage without them, and the best way to combat these phenomena is DO NOT TAKE!
    1. bask
      bask 6 May 2013 06: 51 New
      33
      If i had eggs

      In my opinion, .. EGGS ,, in the thought process ,, thing ,, is not the main one. laughing (main tail,)),

      You don’t need to bury your head like an ostrich, in the sand. The problem is not only in the Caucasians called in R.A. but in general interethnic communication between the peoples of the Caucasus and all Russians. Until the Caucasians will not conduct all over Russia at home. And they will become impudent , commit crimes, and then hide behind the backs of their diasporas, do not expect good things.
      Now many young people are poisoned by Wahhabi teachings (((hatred of ,, infidels,)).
      The authorities are unwittingly driving the situation into a dead end. And the only way out of the dead end is BLOOD.
      We have already passed it in Chechnya.
      When the Russian refugees return to Grozny ((((who survived))) and live in peace and security, then I will believe that interethnic peace has come.
      Otherwise, the situation will develop according to the Syrian scenario ...
      1. fox17
        fox17 6 May 2013 13: 57 New
        +2
        Otherwise, the situation will develop according to the Syrian scenario ...
        That's right and it will start pretty soon
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 6 May 2013 18: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: Ruslan67
      I will not say anything about the form in which it is written


      Ruslan, I do not agree with the author!
      There are commanders, yes even what !!))
      He would have looked who got involved in it)))

      1. Fregate
        Fregate 6 May 2013 19: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Yarbay
        Ruslan, I do not agree with the author!
        There are commanders, yes even what !!))
        He would have looked who got involved in it)))

        Thanks for the video. I remembered my unit commander, took nostalgia ... soldier
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 6 May 2013 22: 21 New
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        Just like back in the army!
        He was just trying to count us, constantly forgetting who he was starting from. And in the morning he had a fingal under his eye and there was no shoulder strap!
    3. dark_65
      dark_65 7 May 2013 08: 48 New
      0
      But why not take what? What to be afraid of? What our soldier is waiting to give in the face if what? And who is to blame, we ourselves.
      Our children are dead, we are sliding towards a "European understanding" of values.
      And from what times the ability to fend for oneself became embarrassing.
      Serving in the Soviet era, and not in the construction battalion, the Airborne Forces, in any case, had to be, but always held in high esteem, the ability of any nation to fight back.
      There were conflicts with the Caucasians, there were also with the Asians, but they must learn to stand up for themselves.
      And we are just afraid, I won’t find another word.
      Well, there are no Heracles, the same as we are.
      Therefore, I am for the call, they are the same citizens, but here is what respect they will learn from our exiled society, start with yourself, do not be shy to give a turnip, if there is anything.
      In all other respects, we are all the same.
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 6 May 2013 05: 35 New
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    Yes, the main thing is combat efficiency and the ability to fight.
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 6 May 2013 07: 06 New
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      The main ability to live in peace for all peoples inhabiting the country, and not the ability to fight.
      Until propaganda has been established in the Caucasus, which is now hostile to the Russians, do not expect any feats of arms.
      These young Dagistanis through one Wahhabi, which means enemies, thanks to the inaction of our Kremlya invaders (I can’t call them power, because they do not have power, they only usurp some of its branches). And do you offer Wahhabis to train in military affairs? Yes, this proposal is akin to betrayal!
      So the problem must be solved not in the army (or rather, in the army too - this is undoubtedly, but first in civilian life) and it is in the understanding of this that not eggs but brains are needed (this is a hint of a "respected" author's article).
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 6 May 2013 09: 48 New
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        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        Until propaganda has been established in the Caucasus, which is now hostile to the Russians, do not expect any feats of arms.
        These young Dagistanis through one Wahhabi, which means enemies

        Regrettably, but I completely agree with you!
        We must fight for young minds from early childhood, and not wait until they are poisoned by Wahhabi poison enter adulthood and begin to do their job! They from the Arab madrassas drag all this trash here to us!
        How is your "madam" -JULIA everything simple? Do you really think that the only problem is the officers of our army? Personally, my opinion is that this is a problem with many components and is so simple at the expense of the officers it can’t be solved!
        It is necessary to change the mentality in the minds of young Caucasians, and this is not so simple, it’s such a complex of educational and ideological programs that the seeds will not come up soon, but you need to do this yesterday !!!
        Excuse me for harshness, but it may be good that you have no eggs - stay a woman with your perfect logic!
        1. Joker
          Joker 6 May 2013 13: 35 New
          +8
          recently I had nothing to do to climb up a forum of draftees, to read, so to speak, an opinion from the inside about whether our army had changed or not. So the topic was whether you learned something in the army, 90% said no, the main problem was poor preparation, there was little shooting, there were no exercises, they said that if you want to learn something you need to either go to the Airborne Forces or similar units, and you just can’t get there. So something like this.
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 6 May 2013 16: 19 New
            +1
            Nonsense is complete, I have 2 sons served one in the Airborne Forces, the second in the Space Forces, a security battalion, they didn’t get out of the exercises either one or the other, and they perfectly learned how to control the equipment and hazing and community in the Cosmos. There are no troops, there is a charter . In the Airborne Forces there were no other problems. I compared my army and the current + Russian one, there are definitely positive changes.
            1. Joker
              Joker 6 May 2013 16: 48 New
              +3
              Have you carefully read my comment?
              they said that if you want to learn something, you need to either go to the Airborne Forces or to similar units

              In terms of percentage, how many draftees a year serves in the Airborne Forces, and how many in regular infantry? Probably about 20% -80%
              1. Army1
                Army1 6 May 2013 18: 07 New
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                Yes, the year is also not enough, although the Airborne Forces, psychologically, the person is not used to it yet, he just graduated from school, and immediately 3 months of cool training, which I doubt, and again 3 months, not even funny, of course it’s scary if a bearded man runs to you uncle and shouts: alah akbar. Have you ever learned how to shoot him, the psychological mood is formed over time, remember the same glorious SA, it happened for three years, it’s clear now no one will lose 3 years, but there were traditions, if they shot more it would be great, after the army he really went out . Conclusion: we need a contract army.
                1. Ivan.
                  Ivan. 6 May 2013 19: 57 New
                  +1
                  The army in Russia is obliged to be conscripted, but from the age of 21 and before that, serious training and physical training should be established in all educational institutions, from universities mainly to officers and from vocational schools mainly to soldiers. Universities will often receive annual deferrals that will help them. By 21, the skeleton has already been formed and they are no longer quite children, life experience and education can solve more complex problems, more responsibility. In 1-1.5-2 years they will have time to master anything but a professional army is also necessary. And life must be established and the weekend should be. The drill must sink into oblivion, a lot needs to be changed.
              2. ed65b
                ed65b 6 May 2013 18: 11 New
                +1
                It is just necessary to engage in sports rather than jambs on the entrances to naughty then the troops will be what it should be.
  3. Hleb
    Hleb 6 May 2013 05: 35 New
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    The fact that her officers are the last horse who does not know how to clean up the barracks and force themselves to obey. Artful assailants who never go into a dangerous place, and nonsense officers

    I wouldn’t let Yulenka go to the army’s cauldron either. I would take up raising my son at home. Raise a man who can stand up for himself and answer dag
    1. ivachum
      ivachum 6 May 2013 07: 09 New
      +2
      "She would have to take care of raising her son at home. grow up as a man ..."

      People like her will not grow up a man ... only another pi ..., excuse me, tolerant ... a real creature ... even with eggs.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 6 May 2013 13: 04 New
        +4
        Author Yulia Kalinina

        Namely, it is contraindicated for her to educate boys. What can a woman teach a boy? To which she herself knows how ...
        All in all, it’s business to find someone with eggs near him and he will explain everything in a popular way, and so she would have to write to her every sentence 5 to write a huge article.
        It’s interesting and who set up the pluses for the article and how were they motivated?
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 6 May 2013 19: 27 New
          +2
          A woman should not teach a boy. A woman simply explains to him (as long as he still cannot speak), WHY a boy was born into the world. And then all his life, all this and all, serves as an anchor and meaning, for which a man lives. You do not love mom - the more the motherland. Life is not ready to give up for them? Why the hell do you smoke the sky?
          To teach is you yourself. It is necessary for father, grandfather in duty ... let mom pat on the head, nothing more can be demanded of her.
    2. Mairos
      Mairos 6 May 2013 14: 11 New
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      The father must be engaged in raising his son, if you want him to grow up as a man. These screams in the article are very emotional, but ... madam is far from reality and does not understand the situation in which officers find themselves "talking" with North Caucasian conscripts (soldiers). When there is no LAW that allows them to be restrained, but try to kick them in the face, then they will immediately run to court to file, either by himself or by a cryopathist for him. And the noise is up to the skies .. ah, they infringe on ethnic grounds. Even under the Soviet Union, the presence of 5-7 Caucasians in a company was a "hemorrhoid" for the command, and now ..
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 6 May 2013 19: 37 New
        +1
        Ah well said! That's the root. Why is it difficult to put all these guys in their place, together with their diasporas, lezginki and loud shooting? Never mind. But at that moment when you raise your hand, you understand - this is against the law. Because according to the law with us you do not have the slightest right to protect honor and dignity. And you don’t have your property to defend your rights, and land ... nothing at all. You have to step aside and file a complaint. Nothing else...
        The situation in the army is nowhere worse, I personally no matter how hard I try, I can not imagine how, in the current conditions, can turn a child into a warrior. Teach his pens to twist on the technique? Crosses to drive? Laughter through tears. And how can you build Caucasians if they only respect the strength of a warrior ... which they stopped raising in the army? Bitterly...
  4. Renat
    Renat 6 May 2013 05: 51 New
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    Arranged a kindergarten from the army. We served with Dagi and Kazakhs, but who only was not there. Of course there were graters, as without this, but they served nothing and talked after the demobilization.
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 6 May 2013 09: 41 New
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      Then and now these are two completely different countries and completely different armies. I don’t want to prove anything, but just stating a fact wink
      By the way, the committee of mothers who did not give birth, trough not only that without the eggs as the author, the same with the chicken brain ... So plus to them, and human rights activists immediately shout about discrimination against the proud peoples of the Caucasus! Was this great and powerful?
      1. Cheloveck
        Cheloveck 6 May 2013 12: 08 New
        +5
        Quote: Gleb
        I wouldn’t let Yulenka admit to the army’s cauldron. She’d be at home raising her son. Raise a man who can stand up for himself and answer dag

        Quote: ivachum
        People like her will not grow up a man ... only another pi ..., excuse me, tolerant ... a real creature ... even with eggs.

        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        By the way, the committee of mothers who did not give birth, trough not only that without the eggs as an author, it’s the same with the chicken brain ...

        Hmm, gentlemen, comrades, ek hooked you ...
        It’s not all right to know in the Danish kingdom that they agreed to direct insults.

        As for the article, the helplessness of the officers is only one of the components of the mess imposed on our army. (Committees of soldiers' mothers, human rights activists, and journalism, and the Supreme Commander from the TV screen work to maintain this helplessness, to know, by and large, this is very beneficial for someone)
        Distracting from petty flaws, the whole article is true.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 6 May 2013 13: 36 New
          +4
          that as far as direct insults agreed.

          what is the insult? is that I wouldn’t let her into the army boiler ???
          I think others don’t want to hear such words, but for myself I’ll say that she called me horse h_m_o_m and sly_zh_opym. so who directly offended anyone?
          where I served, the "Caucasians" did not have the spirit to place us.
  5. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 6 May 2013 05: 58 New
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    In fact, to call the Caucasians into the army, it’s with their own hands to prepare fighters against themselves. Today, the Caucasus is a region that is, so to speak, not friendly to Russia, even though it is part of it. Therefore, to call them into the army, to train all military specialties, is more likely stupidity than necessity.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 6 May 2013 06: 10 New
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      there are two ways - the first is "separate the Caucasus"and the second is to try to solve the problems in these republics that are part of Russia.
      if you do not call up the army, then there is no second way
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 6 May 2013 06: 35 New
        +4
        I wonder how the draft is connected, and the solution of the problems of the Caucasian regions? can first solve economic problems, problems of education?
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 6 May 2013 08: 51 New
          +6
          Quote: Gleb
          if you do not call up the army, then there is no second way

          Quote: vladsolo56
          I wonder how the draft is connected, and the solution of the problems of the Caucasian regions? can first solve economic problems, problems of education?

          interesting, but did not try to consider a comprehensive solution to the problem? The problem in the Caucasus is complex, and its solution is also complex. You here argue about what one such measure to apply to solve this problem.
          The problem is generally quite simple to solve, and its root really lies in the economy. In Chechnya, has the issue been resolved? Made up my mind. Only I hear indignant cries - we are pumping this Chechnya with money, literally - "we are paying a frenzied tribute," so they calmed down! I wonder what you wanted? To keep the local population from hand to mouth and that at the same time they would not arise with their own Wahhabism? Meanwhile, these peoples no less, if not more than the Russians, expressed a desire for justice. Let us recall the same film by Fefilov on NTV, which shows the militants fighting with Assad. How do they motivate? Yes, all the same - justice. They just told them that it is the Sharia regime that gives justice. And where did you see justice in present-day Dagestan, and in general in the current Russian economic regime? All the loot was taken over by an incomprehensible ethnic minority, now walking in white across the deserts in Israel. It is clear that if now Dagestan begins to squeeze "justice" for itself, following the example of Chechnya, then Russia may not be able to withstand this, more precisely, the federal budget and the Russian taxpayer. And these "walking in the deserts" for some reason do not even care about this topic - it somehow does not concern them ... Excuse me, but why the hell does it not concern them? All the problems are essentially because of them!
          I stop at once the theme - "but we, Russians, tolerate this injustice, why can't the Daghestanis also tolerate for the company?" Well, excuse me, the daggers can answer that you are ready to endure - so bear with it, this is your right, but we will not! "And you must agree, there is a reason in this. Stop enduring, voice a specific social order to Putin - or a fair society that suits all subjects Federation, or out, we will elect another President! Without an element of justice, the issue will not be resolved either with Dagestan now, or with Tatarstan in the future.
          Yesterday I saw a very interesting and illustrative graph of the distribution of wealth in the United States. There are 4 graphs. Horizontally - the population, from right to left, the more to the left - the higher the social status. The first graph, strictly horizontal, is socialism and egalitarianism. The second, with a slight slope - as it should have been. Third, with an even greater slope - how the population of the States thinks about how wealth is distributed. And fourth, a pronounced exponential, i.e. there is a long horizontal section at a very low altitude and just before the very end, where the population "ends", it soars up very sharply almost vertically - this is a real graph !. Those. one hundredth of the population at the left end has ninety-nine hundredths of the total property !!!
          I all understand that revolution is useless. Because they don't lead to good. But if these "1%" have forgotten about the 1917 rake, they need to remind them very well. Let me remind you that there would be no desire to step on them from now on !!!! For Allah himself ordered to share with his neighbor, so let them do it. Thereby smoothing out that graph.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 6 May 2013 11: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: aksakal
            Without an element of justice, the issue will not be resolved either with Dagestan now, or with Tatarstan in the future. NO !!!!

            - someone, I look, do not agree? Are there any arguments? Or as a student, we understand everything, but we can’t express it? Well, although try using gestures - I think I’ll catch the point of how you understand.
            1. smile
              smile 6 May 2013 12: 12 New
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              aksakal
              1. "These peoples have no less, but maybe they have more expressed the desire for justice" - you tell this to the "justly" destroyed Russian population of Chechnya ... yeah, it just occurred to them that someone told them that they had , rightly immediately slavery appeared ...
              2. Bloodsucking mercenaries and justice in Syria? Excuse me, do you understand what you are writing?
              3. Why did you decide that in Dagestan "All the loot was taken over by an incomprehensible ethnic minority, now walking around in white across the deserts in Israel"?
              What is it to do with it? And once again I ask why the Russian model of the economy is less fair than with the cave-wild tribal formation into which these animals, who headed their wild part of relatives, wanted to turn their republics and neighboring ones as well.? ..
              4.Do not remember your Allah in vain, it is better to exhort your fair co-religionists. that it’s not necessary to accompany all his wildest crimes with his praises ... otherwise we are allergic to well-known cries, as to all Muslims (this is the main reason for dislike of Muslims) ...
              The only thing you can agree with is that the problem must be solved ... and you didn’t say anything else, except that the bandits, killers, fanatics are more fair. than we ....
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 6 May 2013 14: 06 New
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                Quote: smile
                . "These peoples have no less, but maybe they have a more expressed desire for justice" - you tell this to the "justly" destroyed Russian population of Chechnya ... yeah, they've got it into their heads that someone has told them, rightly immediately slavery appeared ...

                - where does it come from? I actually posted something else, and you probably about revenge. Well, revenge, maybe this is the way out. Only I lag that this is the way out.
                Quote: smile
                Bloodthirsty Mercenaries and Justice in Syria? Excuse me, do you understand what you are writing?

                - and again - why relate to me personally what they dream of? I do not share their vision of justice (through Sharia law), moreover, I condemn and have done it more than once, but I state that they are fighting "for a just (IN THEIR OPINION, DO NOT MUST BE MISSED WITH MY, DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?) they need to be offered an alternative in the form of a just society, but in a secular version and in accordance with federal laws. Justice primarily lies in economic distribution and prospects for the offspring, in ensuring equality of starting conditions for the offspring - this is very important.
                Quote: smile
                Why did you decide that in Dagestan "All the loot was taken over by an incomprehensible ethnic minority, now walking around in white across the deserts in Israel"?

                - the sweetest in Russia, in Russia, where Dagestan is included as a subject of the Federation. Will you deny it?
                Quote: smile
                What is it to do with it? And once again I ask why the Russian model of the economy is less fair than with the cave-wild tribal formation into which these animals, who headed their wild part of relatives, wanted to turn their republics and neighboring ones as well.? ..

                - again, I'm not at all sympathetic to these cave-wild formations, I just state what they want and how it could be solved. This is the first thing. Second - this "cave-tribal" has at least one noteworthy feature - a ban on usurious capital. I will not explain what it means and how important it is, but I just advise you to put aside your civilizational chauvinism, or rather, chauvinism on the basis of an economic model imposed on you from the outside and not at all your economic model (I also found something to build your chauvinism on laughing ) and teach the materiel in the field of finance and economics. And the third - for the Dagestan in arranging their agitator your
                Quote: smile
                why the Russian model of the economy is less fair than with the cave-wild tribal education

                will sound like this: "They want these gentlemen in white to continue to profit at your expense and walk for themselves in the deserts, and you would continue to be in hopeless poverty!" And they will add: "but these in white want this state of affairs to be fixed forever and your children will also be hopeless!" This is enough, quite enough ... So dispossess your "whites", withdraw them from the deserts, explain the politics to them, and further - you need to find such a regime that would not increase the gap between these "whites" and the rest of the population and at the same time that would not be equalization. And provide equal starting conditions for young people, all young people - this is important.
                1. smile
                  smile 6 May 2013 14: 42 New
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                  aksakal
                  You understand what the thing was, in your post there were sound grains, but re-read it again more carefully - and you will see that when discussing justice - this is the most common word you have - you forgot to say that their vision of justice is absolutely distorted and considered, that they probably have more of it than in our society — either stupidity or arrogant juggling ... that caused my sharp rejection ... but I won’t argue with you otherwise - you wrote a lot, but I want to read. .I hope you won’t beat me for it ... :)))
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 6 May 2013 14: 54 New
                    +3
                    Quote: smile
                    you forgot to report that their vision of justice is completely perverted and to believe that they have more of it than in our society - either stupidity or arrogant distortion ... that caused my sharp rejection ...

                    - But in a second post, I sort of corrected what I forgot to inform -)))). Yes, their vision of justice is also not close to me! But you need to see what they want and offer a reasonable alternative, and not just stupidly wet. You need to wet thugs, and those who want to hear and listen will understand what they mean. The main thing is that they would be a really powerful force, and not scumbags.
                    1. smile
                      smile 6 May 2013 16: 24 New
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                      aksakal
                      Oh. Another thing! Perhaps there was a banal misunderstanding ... :)))) +
        2. Joker
          Joker 6 May 2013 13: 39 New
          +1
          I wonder how the draft is connected, and the solution of the problems of the Caucasian regions? can first solve economic problems, problems of education?

          A direct way. Why the hell do we need them then? Should a war happen, they will hide in the villages, corruption and terrorism are blooming and smelling there, our cities are also flooded. What is the use of them? Yes, it doesn’t work out. We feed only because no one else intercepted.
          1. matross
            matross 6 May 2013 15: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: Joker
            . What is the use of them? Yes, it doesn’t work out. We feed only because no one else intercepted.

            To the very point! Harm alone and strain! Only, I’ll clarify, we’re not feeding them, whoever the other does not intercept, but that the other does not intercept those territories on which they historically compactly reside. And which are vital for Russia, taking into account the defensive potential of the Caucasus Range. But there were too many toothy mouths, there was something to do with this ...
    2. avensis
      avensis 6 May 2013 14: 52 New
      -1
      Do you think the Dag and Chechens are taken to combat-ready units, where they teach a lot and correctly?
      I doubt very much that I do not know a single Caucasian who served in the Airborne Forces.
  6. ivachum
    ivachum 6 May 2013 06: 37 New
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    "About the fact that her officers are the last horse that does not know how to put things in order in the barracks and force them to obey.

    In short, what kind of army is this if it cannot cope with its own Dagestanis? "


    Do your neighbors shit at your entrance? Is there no litter on the street? Shit and litter? Then you are the "last horse" ...

    Almost any attempt by Russian officers to restore order in the barracks ends in the office of the investigator of the military prosecutor’s office ... Force to run - exorbitant physical exertion ... Stand at attention - bullying and harm to the health of a tender young ... creation. Immediately a bunch of his closest relatives (about 20-30 people), the head of the local community ... representatives of human rights organizations, etc. Because now in the Armed Forces the most disenfranchised creature is an officer. The military prosecutor is not going to protect him and his relatives ... it is not profitable.

    Well, it’s possible without massacre !!! Well, yes, to distribute, for example, lollipops so that they don’t smoke anasha ... Or if you didn’t squeeze anything from someone in a day, didn’t write a word on your backs ... didn’t refuse to clean up after yourself - get a bonus, 10 rubles. Nahamil to the officer - ay-ya-yay! It’s not good, let me write to you, dear Dzhigit-richur, a small, very little reprimand! As a violation of the rights of nat. minorities ?! Well then reprimand orally ...

    If you had eggs, you wouldn’t have them anymore ... And ... th to the prosecutor ...
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 6 May 2013 06: 59 New
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      Yes, this is so tolerance in the army - suicide for her.
      There should not be elected peoples or people there - violated or failed to comply with the order of the commander
      sit on your lip (malicious ditsbat) - this should concern everyone.
      The prosecutor's office, in my opinion, is struggling with the consequences and most often worsens the situation even more.
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 6 May 2013 14: 18 New
        +1
        The prosecutor’s office doesn’t really fight with anything. Or struggling with officers who broke and crashed to someone who was especially impudent.
  7. optimist
    optimist 6 May 2013 07: 05 New
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    Dear forum users! Aunt, a banal provocateur! She, poor fellow, has all thoughts about male genitalia (well, the lady lacks male affection ... laughing ). Let him go to Dagestan and Chechnya: there she will be "fondled" in full !!! good
    1. jungar
      jungar 6 May 2013 09: 22 New
      +2
      Mdaa ... My people have the lack of eggs or their inaction (do not count for male chauvinism, just such an ancient view), has always been considered the biggest shortcoming of a person, including in mental terms.
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 6 May 2013 10: 28 New
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      Quote: optimist
      Aunt, a banal provocateur!

      - I’m like a provocateur ... Dictated by a sincere desire to help somehow, a person is sick of the soul. Another thing is that the man who is drunk in the kitchen in an alcoholic shirt, that only Chubais is to blame for everything and only he, is also sick with his soul for mother Rasea and also more sincerely. As the saying goes, you don’t hurt your soul, but help your work financially and work normally and vote normally.
      But there is Shoigu to solve questions, he has a big head, let him think. If the head turns out to be small, then someone else will think for him, and he will retire.
      The problem of the SABJ is the problem of hazing, a very difficult problem. He clearly thinks - if the commander is good, then he will only bark, and in that unit everyone will love each other and begin to treat each other with mutual respect. laughing Shchazz.! Even in stagnant years, for example, I refused to go clean toilets. The commander ordered, then forced to write a written refusal to carry out his order. I wrote and thought - that's it, disbat. But, apparently, he regretted it. And this was during the years of stagnation, when it was not customary to shout and exaggerate about human rights. Try to deal with the soldiers now! The fact that, at the very least, combat missions are performed during exercises is already an achievement. About how to somehow regulate interpersonal relationships between soldiers - these are people, not robots. Robots can be programmed - "love each other in the barracks, my sons!", And the robots will love each other, because they have software. People don't have software, you can't program it. And the roots of all interpersonal problems do not come from the army and do not appear in the army, they originate and appear in civil society. The conscript goes there with a formed image and pattern of thoughts, stereotypes and actions. A Dagestani goes to the army - he already has a negative and disdainful attitude towards other representatives of Russian ethnic groups, and the officer, in his opinion, should bark once and knock it out of the head of the Dagestani conscript. It is possible to knock out something, only with brains and parents to Makhachkala to send their son already without them and in a box ... Something is not right he is suggesting, it is unwise ...
      The problem is also complex and to solve it in a comprehensive manner. First, it is necessary to completely destroy the influence of the so-called. "Zonovskaya" romance. Completely. Even the chanson to liquidate, so that all these other circles "the man took out the knife" would not be heard! Hazing is a Zonov invention that has passed incomprehensibly from the zone to the army. Secondly, to introduce into the system of school education a system of education for boys of the so-called. "masculine type of behavior". With the help of school psychologists, on the basis of tests and observations, identify boys with a weak psychotype of behavior and take measures to correct them - to create special summer camps like the Pineer camps (remember there were such camps in the USSR?), Where cadets from the Ryazn school would gently work with such boys. In pre-revolutionary Russia, the separate education of boys and girls was generally practiced. I don’t know if it’s worth it now, but there should definitely be more male teachers than there are now! Whole teachers in schools, who should raise men? Dad earns his daily bread all day at work.
      At the global level, one must also change so that mental habits in interpersonal relationships change.
      In short, a big problem, and the officers will not solve it only by barking and sparkling with ferocious eyes.
      In general, the level of decision on the subject of SAJ is proposed at the level of those drunks in alcoholic T-shirts, if not lower. Although she seems to be able to write clearly, she could offer more practical things.
  8. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 6 May 2013 07: 08 New
    +7
    who did not serve in the army, that holiday was March 8th ... I remember in our company there were 10 or 12 nationalities, and nothing ... it was true back in 1981 ... in the GSVG ...
  9. albai
    albai 6 May 2013 07: 40 New
    +8
    Quote: optimist
    Dear forum users! Aunt, a banal provocateur! She, poor fellow, has all thoughts about male genitalia (well, the lady lacks male affection ...
    I fully support. Is it possible that the Dagestanis and Co. in percentage terms with the rest of the people are so many that they are beginning to arrange outrage in parts? Something is not believed. Here it is necessary org.ob.pravlennom competently scatter the recruiting resource. Especially in such a vast territory. And in units and divisions not all
    nonsense officers who "only get an apartment, and in the coffin I saw this army."
    ... Maybe one or two. And the rest can twist any soldier into a ram's horn, in accordance with the articles of the Disciplinary Regulations. In my platoon, in a company, there were always at least 9-10 nationalities. I will not say that it was cloudless, but I just had to be bigger with l / s. There were also those who said “this is a woman’s work, I will not wash there or clean it up” and had to use all “available” means to explain the wrong point of view of a soldier. And then all this at the beginning of the service, and then just vigilant control. And sergeants are not appointed for kulaks, but for leadership qualities. And this aunt is exaggerating too much.
  10. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 6 May 2013 08: 03 New
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    Madame! Why didn’t you buy eggs for yourself before Easter? And now you’re so nervous about it. I’m a rude soldier and I know that male humans should have testicles and female ovaries! So YOU ​​still decide what you do not have.
    It’s not so simple for everyone with testicles and dugs. Now they are really assigned tasks by relatives and authorities about assimilation at the duty station. Such dagi are polite with bosses, executive, quickly
    become junior commanders and at the end of the service they ask for a contract. Further, numerous relatives arrive at the explored territory and the branch is ready.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 6 May 2013 11: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: a.hamster55
      Now they are really assigned tasks by relatives and authorities about assimilation at the duty station. Such dagi are polite to the bosses, executive, quickly become junior commanders and at the end of the service they ask for a contract. Next, numerous relatives arrive at the explored territory and the branch is ready

      - there is a Solomon solution. The Doug are putting pressure on social justice and infringement of their rights. They have a certain correctness - after the army, the entrance to the social elevator is a little wider, and the Dag are not allowed into the army, and they are also citizens of the Russian Federation. So let them serve in the Army. Only to issue a decree abolishing the extraterritorial principle of service, but at the discretion of the district commander, let him decide where the extraterritorial principle is and where the service is near home. Leave it unofficially and unannounced in the rest of Russia as it is now, but only in Dagestan leave the principle of service "near home". That is, everything is as it is - you will already have a military ID, the doors to the social elevator will become wider, if this is what matters to you. And in the service itself, let them serve. Only in the morning, instead of charging, - drill. After breakfast until lunchtime - combatant. After lunch - an hour we learn the charter, an hour - political studies, and before dinner - drill again. And nothing else, even AKM is not taught in the field of materiel, not to mention more serious materiel. I am generally silent about the materiel of secret weapons! Tactical, combat and rifle training is out of the question either! That's how to answer - does a Dagestani young man need service in the Army for a social lift? So he passes it, and the ability to seriously fight - Duc is not taught anywhere in the Russian Army! It will be a lie, of course, but prove it!
      Isn't that a way out? It will come to a serious conflict, God forbid, of course, the Russians can cope as fighters as well, the number of Dagestanis is so small that it is nothing of value. But digging trenches under bullets is not necessary for this specialized military training. Each dag knows how to dig land from childhood - dad in vineyards or citrus plantations, I don’t know what else there, they still smell good.
  11. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 6 May 2013 08: 04 New
    +4
    Well, actually, women also have eggs - in the ovaries. A few thousand.
  12. treskoed
    treskoed 6 May 2013 08: 10 New
    +7
    If I had no eggs - I would answer the author, but I have eggs - I will not say anything!
  13. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 6 May 2013 08: 18 New
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    And can I speak out, and then, as a moderator, I will give myself a warning? There isn’t enough evil for this female dog! Criticism is one thing, that’s understandable. But such vysery!
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 6 May 2013 13: 32 New
      +2
      Zhen, can I, as a visitor, "lick" the moderator (Sasha Romanov), who charged me with a slugger in the JBAN, and then the triumvirate of other moderators will remove the warning from me? what
      But, by and large, I am not very loaded with this. . .
      PS. A pack too. ... She flew in from the "zhezheshechka", and there was such dung - elephant heaps
  14. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 6 May 2013 08: 32 New
    +1
    Well, frankly, there is a problem. it seems like not to call not a way out with what to make an exception all the more so because they themselves are torn into the army. on the other hand, being called, they are not controlled. here it is necessary either to strengthen the officer corps or the junior command staff. you can turn to the experience of tsarist Russia - there Caucasians served and were considered one of the best connections
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 6 May 2013 08: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Ragnarek
      you can turn to the experience of tsarist Russia - there Caucasians served and were considered one of the best connections

      And they were correctly considered, and they were. It all depends on education and propaganda !!! Can it be that even when not drafted into the army, the guys will not learn (they will not be taught) to shoot? And just as they will become fighters. But if the authorities really want to normalize the situation in the Caucasus, then it is necessary to call up and show that the Russian army is not directed against his people, and does not consider his nationality guys to be second-class people who cannot be called up for the army. IMHO
  15. Bosk
    Bosk 6 May 2013 08: 33 New
    +6
    Dagestanis are not all taken into the army ... ha, if some kind of bright head thinks of a fully contracted army ... then not everyone who wants a Russian guy will be so honored. But honestly ... what about the article?. As I understand it? , without calling on the Dagestanis to join the army, they are fighting with the compatriots .... is a good way to increase the country's defense capability. And that it went for criticizing the army, whether it is good or bad .... it is the first in which case it gets under the bullets of an adversary.
  16. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 6 May 2013 08: 58 New
    +3
    If the author had eggs, then after such a vyser he would have lost them.
  17. evgenii67
    evgenii67 6 May 2013 09: 09 New
    +3
    Hello everyone! "If I had eggs" the head would be more important, and the author considers the problem in one plane, and since the author allowed a similar article with the phrase "If I had eggs" to be put on the Military Review, then I will allow myself to tell -girl with pi ... th with your thinking will come pi .. yes
  18. Focker
    Focker 6 May 2013 09: 31 New
    +6
    A woman should not go into men's affairs. Generally! An exception can only be a very smart woman. But this does not apply to such.
    1. family tree
      family tree 6 May 2013 12: 37 New
      +3
      Should not. Just climb after all! One committee of childless mothers is worth it.
  19. baltika-18
    baltika-18 6 May 2013 09: 41 New
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    Article minus.
    For eggs, style of presentation and non-disclosure of the topic.
    Kalinina is a professional journalist, and writes as an undergraduate student.
    Spoiled completely .... or lost the scent.
  20. Normal
    Normal 6 May 2013 09: 48 New
    +4
    Well, brave soldiers and valiant officers ran into a lady. Well done - done!
    Well, of course her view is amateurish and one-sided, but commentators also have arguments of logic and knowledge not in abundance. It is easy to "beat down" one woman in unison, to propose a solution, or at least to formulate a problem in a comprehensive and comprehensive manner. And most importantly, if you dig into the problem well, then you can run into the very system of power in Russia and here you will not joke like that. It is already customary to be proud and praise. And the problem of dags in the Armed Forces is just the costs of the existing system of power and there are a great many such costs.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 6 May 2013 20: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      Well, brave soldiers and valiant officers ran into a lady. Well done - done!
      And most importantly, if it’s good to delve into the problem, then you can run into the very system of power in Russia and here you won’t be so nervous
      “Well, why are there no arguments?” You yourself made the argument: And most importantly, if it’s good to delve into the problem, then you can run into the very system of power in Russia and here you won’t be so nervous - Only I would expand not only to power, but to the whole incomprehensible system that has developed - not the market and not the command and administrative system, not socialism and not capitalism, but in general it is not clear what. Why is the power at once to blame? Doesn’t the people form power and deserve it? Isn't Putin the same one who grew up in the same St. Petersburg yards as any of you? To throw off the blame for power is easier than a lung.
      I also have a very strong argument about SABZH. A bursting pattern so much that I will be neglected and deservedly so. Type in Google "Dolnik" - this is a scientist-ethologist who studies the higher instincts of primates. You ask - what does the monkey have to do with the soldiers? And besides! Dolnik watched for a very long time how hierarchies were formed in monkey herds, how an alpha male appeared and how omega males appeared (grassroots, bullied males) and convincingly proves - yes, we are not far from monkeys! A person in everyday life is guided by instincts, not reason. And in a closed society (prison, barracks, in general, when relations with the outside world are severely limited), monkey hierarchies develop in exactly the same way as among orangutans! Yes Yes!
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 6 May 2013 20: 12 New
        +1
        When a young person wants to marry, it is not the mind that dictates to him, it is a banal reproductive instinct that works. And the mind is just a very powerful application to instincts, a very powerful tool given to the forehead by Mother Nature for the more successful realization of her instincts. And if you instinctively lubricate someone's face for rudeness, but restrained, then it was not the mind that held you back, but another instinct, the instinct of self-preservation prompted the mind - "stop this fool, lubricate his face and get a couple of years in prison for that - it's not worth it!" Reason as a mediator between instincts. In short, everything is on the instincts of the brow. An ordinary brow. And the higher a person is on the social ladder, the more he is obliged to be guided by reason, by a huge effort of will restraining himself, his instincts and his emotions associated with them. The President - and so in general, and not a shorter person, but a cold intelligent machine. Well, that's what I have to be.
        Excuse me, but on what basis do you require the same soldier to behave the same as the first person in the state? Well, he is bored after hanging up in the barracks; he wants to potter that goat in the third berth in the fourth row. This is also an instinct, he will go and realize it.
        So you need to create a company on the basis of that experimental military unit, recently discussed, on which soldiers will be studied by ethologists in the same way as monkeys! Yes, yes, yes, no offended language needed. This is science for you, not khukh-mukhra, but leave emotions for the kitchens.
        After all, there are aggressive instincts, but there are good ones. A person, for example, has an altruistic instinct, the instinct of a defender who is ready to sacrifice his life for the salvation of a helpless brow. This instinct developed when people okromy sticks, still could not do anything. The attack of a pack of hyenas (these were the most terrible enemies of the primitive man, because, unlike the lions, they correctly planned their operations to attack the human herd) forced the men to defend the children, women and the elderly.
        So, you need to study that "experimental" company, come to some conclusions, how to promote a greater manifestation of good instincts and a lesser manifestation of aggressive instincts in barracks. Test this, and then, upon receiving a positive result, teach officers this secret and even write it into the charter in terms of educational work.
        Everything is simple, and you do not need to attract eggs for this. Do not multiply entities and do not complicate the problem.
        1. Normal
          Normal 6 May 2013 22: 43 New
          +1
          Aksakalu
          You do not cease to amaze me. If it weren’t for the habit of writing voluminous posts (I’m sinful, I repent), I would have thought that several authors are hiding under one nickname, your comments are so different. Then you write abstruse and pseudo-scientific, or simply childishly naive. Well really, what is it:
          Quote: aksakal
          . Why is the power at once to blame? Doesn’t the people form power and deserve it?

          Of course, if you want to think so, it’s your right. But I strongly doubt that the people form power. But the fact that the power in the measure of their abilities, priorities and circumstances forms
          the whole prevailing incomprehensible system - not the market and not the command and administrative system, not socialism and not capitalism, but in general it is not clear what.
          I have no doubts. So the power is always "with"
          About monkeys is also funny. Do you really think that someone does not know that relations and hierarchy in closed populations and societies are the same in all higher mammals. Not only in humans and anthropoid apes, but in general in social animals.
          Quote: aksakal
          So, you need to study that "experimental" company, come to some conclusions, how to promote a greater manifestation of good instincts and a lesser manifestation of aggressive instincts in barracks. Test this, and then, upon receiving a positive result, teach officers this secret and even write it into the charter in terms of educational work.

          Yes, everything has long been known, studied and inscribed in the charters and manuals. And it's not that:
          Well, he is bored after hanging up in the barracks; he wants to potter that goat in the third berth in the fourth row. This is also an instinct, he will go and realize it.

          The fact is that these instincts indulge in power. There are a lot of reasons and they are all described a hundred times. You see the instincts of them. A charter on what?
          It can be bored after the end time only if the l / s idleness is in trouble, does not know what to do with himself and where to put his strength and daredevil.
          When I served in an ordinary "combat" company, we were so burdened both physically and according to the regulations and by the foolishness of the fathers-commanders that after the lights out, everyone (including grandfathers, demobels, Vainakhs and Daghs) had one "instinct" - to SLEEP.
          About this, as it seems to me, the article is also - put the basic statutory order in the army, if you have eggs, gentlemen officers.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 6 May 2013 23: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Normal
            But I strongly doubt that the people form power. But the fact that the power in the measure of their abilities, priorities and circumstances forms
            - Excuse me, who then forms it? It is clear that overseas is trying to influence the formation of power in its selfish interests, but let's be honest - its influence in the absence of direct occupation has been quite truncated. And the rest - power is formed from representatives of the people, and these representatives of the people are the bearers of the same moral imperatives that prevail among the people. Other imperatives simply have nowhere to come from. Berezovsky is a Soviet-Russian product, not Israeli. He was not always a billionaire, he was also a simple scientist. Both Putin and EBN are all the same. No, do not rush to remove the blame from the people, he is just as guilty of the power itself, that this power is nothing less. Whether the people will understand or not understand, a lot depends on it.
            Quote: Normal
            About this, as it seems to me, the article is also - put the basic statutory order in the army, if you have eggs, gentlemen officers.
            - amused. I don't know how it is with you there, but I remember exactly the pattern by which the officers and warrant officers acted, who, like, graduated from military schools and to whom they were supposed to explain pedagogy, an individual approach, and so on. The first template is that civilian recruits arrived "overwhelmed", spoiled by their mothers and need to be "broken". Who poured this into the heads of the officers, I do not know, but the first actions of the officers are extremely tough, designed to show that "I am not your mother here and this is not a sanatorium for you." Everything would be fine, but only combat training where? Okay, let's move on. To break it, to make it extremely obedient - before that, shock, instill an animal fear. The officer blinked his eye (he saw it himself, then they blinked at me too) - the older soldiers, who had stood before that peacefully, as if they had brought a uniform for dressing up and were just grinning, suddenly began to scream - "spirits e ... nye, hang yourself, s..ki! !!! You at night at night ... "and further in the text. Most importantly, the next night the promised was fulfilled. I suppose it's all spelled out in the charter? Quote the charter for me. Moreover, I had the opportunity to change four military units, and served in the famous Red Barracks in Irkutsk - everywhere this same method was used. So it was in the charter. Or was it not? Or was there a massive violation of the charter by the gentlemen (comrades at that time) officers?
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 7 May 2013 00: 01 New
              +2
              You want this good old tradition, which has been developing for decades, you propose to break it overnight, simply by ordering to observe the charter. Yes, you are little different from the author of the subject laughing Well, order it! I have heard such orders already performed by Yazov and everyone who was after him laughing So what? Where is the result? Orders have already been gathered, but where is the result? Moreover, prizes at the level of not anyhow - Defense Ministers!
              Ok, it’s clear with the soldiers that, so that there wouldn’t be a desire to realize instincts, you can be loaded with military training from the heart. I posted about it many times. Then how to make officers plow and load so well, from the heart? It’s not mediocre, like, they took a shovel and dig from the fence to lunch, and so that it would be useful and interesting (and military affairs are interesting, if a good teacher, he easily carries away soldiers) and there was a military result. Mother laziness - if anything, this is also an instinct, a banal energy saving. Suggest an effective method to get officers to work, not laziness. And print:
              Quote: Normal
              put the basic statutory order in the army
              - sorry, I can print that too. Here I am typing - "put elementary statutory order in the end!" I didn't see the specifics, I'm sorry.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 7 May 2013 00: 14 New
                +2
                Specifically?
                1. To remove from commanders the responsibility for criminal cases brought against subordinates.
                2. Remove business functions from the company and radically reduce paper work. A pack of paper per month in a company is a common thing.
                3. Strictly control the conduct of classes. At the same time provide a normal matbase and technical training tools.
                4. Ensure a normal mode of work and rest. It is understandable, irregular working hours, but the edges must be seen.
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal 7 May 2013 00: 58 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Spade
                  Relieve commanders of criminal responsibility for subordinates.
                  - I think, only if he himself opens and initiates a criminal case, if the subordinate has screwed up or mowed down. And even somehow encourage. Although no, there is no need to encourage, they will begin to plant their subordinates in vain! Well, in general, somehow I agree somewhere, but here I need to think.
                  Quote: Spade
                  Remove business functions from the company and drastically reduce paper work. A pack of paper per month in a company is a common thing.
                  - I agree!

                  Quote: Spade
                  Strictly control the conduct of classes. At the same time provide a normal matbase and technical training tools.
                  - absolutely!

                  Quote: Spade
                  Provide a normal mode of work and rest. It is understandable, irregular working hours, but the edges must be seen
                  - absolutely!
                  Nice post. At least very robust and specific.
                  I would add - good results in combat training, the absence of incidents in the headed unit, and with independent psychological tests, good results in terms of team friendliness and cohesion should be especially rewarded. All your suggestions still have to be tied to the end result somehow.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 7 May 2013 01: 24 New
                    0
                    Quote: aksakal
                    I think only if he himself opens and initiates a criminal case

                    In 99% of cases, this will be so. Moreover, the practice of hiding petty crimes will cease, which will immediately lead to a sharp decrease in major ones. Impunity usually leads to major.
                    For example, do you remember the scandal involving a conscript drunkard who escaped to the Georgians? There was a concealment of two unauthorized part abandonments. For the third time they promised to still plant. Therefore, having come to his senses after a spree in the Georgian village, he preferred to surrender to their policemen.

                    Quote: aksakal
                    I would add - good results in combat training, the absence of incidents in the headed unit, and with independent psychological tests, good results in terms of team friendliness and cohesion should be especially rewarded.

                    Only not materially. There was already a topic with a very large monthly prize "for complexity and intensity", which should have been given out precisely for successes. As a result, the milking of subordinates, kickbacks and other corruption.
              2. Normal
                Normal 7 May 2013 09: 49 New
                +2
                Aksakalu
                To be honest, I didn't want to answer. But politeness should be present when communicating. Sorry, but nothing to answer. I consider your position to be deeply flawed and based on flawed practice. Your arguments are not convincing. If the army does not follow orders, including the orders of the Minister of Defense, then this means that the order was given only for appearance and it is not necessary to carry it out. It's like the first command "Level up!" It is not carried out because the entire command sounds like this: "Level up! - Set aside! - Level up! - Attention !!!" If a real, serious order is given, then its implementation is necessarily monitored. If not, then there is no court either.
                In your opinion, it turns out that everything should be as it was established by self-submission and over time, even if this order of things contradicts common sense, law and charter, even if it is dictated by laziness or "instincts"
                But it would seem possible and even necessary to change the seemingly unchangeable. This is done, as is known by personal example, and secured by control over the execution of the order, personal control again.
                I will give an example not from the army, but from civilian life.
                He worked at a rural enterprise. The enterprise has access and sanitation due to production requirements.
                But who observes it? Baba Manya and Baba Any were standing at the checkpoint, and there was always one answer to their demands for a pass: “Baba Man, but I forgot at home, you know me from childhood.” And it was an established order of things.
                But somehow I go to work in the morning and I see that at the checkpoint there is a hundred-meter line and every second turns and runs home. I’m looking, and not Baba Manya, but the DIRECTOR at the checkpoint! All who without a pass turned home and ordered to be late for work.
                Well, the people here understand everything and the next day everything is back to work without passes. And there again the DIRECTOR! The second delay for work, deprivation of bonuses and leave in the late autumn. On the third day, the chief engineer with the main vet was already standing at the entrance. a doctor. And they stood there for two weeks. Since then, a hard access mode has been established.
                So that's it! Such is the "specifics". And no instincts ...
                And here about this:
                Quote: aksakal
                - made fun of

                I assure you that I also laughed at your posts, although to be honest, all this is sad ... very sad. hi
  21. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 6 May 2013 09: 54 New
    +3
    Cheap provocation. If grandmother had eggs, then she would be grandfather.
    "From the standpoint of my blank common sense, such a solution to the problem looks so absurd that I can't even call it a solution."
    Well, author, and keep quiet in a rag, this is not a woman’s forum. Sometimes it’s better to shut up, maybe a smart ride.
  22. Gur
    Gur 6 May 2013 09: 58 New
    +5
    I don't know, but there is a grain of truth in the article, and not even a fraction, but more. The situation with Caucasians in the army is still quite acute. And this is not the first article on this topic, it seems like we have already been procrastinating, and most of the members of the forum came to the conclusion that weak commanders, or worthless laws, sometimes protecting criminals than the fathers of commanders, fuck ... I'm tolerance, disunity ( my hut is on the edge, and not only in the army) of the Slavs led to the state of affairs that we have. Well, why did they take up arms against a woman, what is wrong. For example, I understood her message - "Are you men or not men, put things in order in the country and in the army, so that there are no such problems not with the Dag or the Chechens" We, for the most part, behave this way, either we are talking about the topic on the internet, or according to the principle, I'm a handsome guy in myself, if I pile on everything, but only when it affects me personally.
    1. Focker
      Focker 6 May 2013 10: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: GUR
      We, for the most part, behave in such a way, either weave the topic on the internet, or by the principle,I myself am a handsome guy, if I have to pile on everyone, but only when it touches me personally.

      That’s very clearly noticed))) Especially the bold part. It sits in many, often noticed it. But I somehow did not succeed in understanding and comprehending it) For this, plus +
  23. dmb
    dmb 6 May 2013 10: 09 New
    +7
    The girl is of course a bitch. And no one thought about the fact that she has the right to demand this from us. It is not she who lives for the army, but the army exists to protect it. And she gives money for this, like millions of our other fellow citizens. And therefore they have the right to demand something from us. Well, for example, so that some naughty commander-in-chief, let alone a minister, would not change the Constitution. This is me talking about a sacred duty, the same for everyone. The fact that the officers were largely deprived of their legal rights to restore order, I absolutely agree, but why are you crying. They were deprived even of the former drunkard, but of the current one. Let's continue to vote for him, "the savior of Russia." Only he will not save Russia, but all of us. And it's not so much about citizens from the same ethnic group scurrying about in the desert. You can cite more than a dozen people from other ethnic groups who, thanks to the current Guarantor, shy away no less successfully and remember Russia only when they do not find another reason to grunt a glass.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 6 May 2013 13: 58 New
      +2
      I agree with dmb.

      But we, too, pay taxes regularly (including the military). Therefore, it is necessary to demand from the government and the Supreme Civil Code. These are their direct responsibilities.
  24. knn54
    knn54 6 May 2013 10: 11 New
    +2
    A bit of history: the citizens of Rome refused to serve in the army, so they were forced to recruit barbarians. As a result, they destroyed the Roman Empire.
    PS In Chechnya there are motorized rifle units formed entirely from Chechens. Kadyrov knows each of them well, and teip fidelity is a serious factor. And can (as an experiment for Dagestan) reanimate the territorial principle of the Red Army?
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 6 May 2013 11: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      And can (as an experiment for Dagestan) reanimate the territorial principle of the Red Army?
      After all, you recalled Rome, where the army of the republic, with its original universal duty, turned into a mercenary, contributing to the collapse of the empire. The experience of the Red Army, with the territorial principle, would be good for units of civil defense, but not the army, and especially not in the Caucasus. No need to famously break separatism. The problem is not new, back in 1979, I read a letter from a classmate, who was called the first of our class, about a mass brawl in a company with Chechens. He was in the construction battalion to serve, it was in the Leningrad Region. Now, such religious ones are still ... First in the army you need to put things in order, restore discipline, and only then think about the hot guys from the mountains. In general, everyone should serve, but only the best and most reliable with weapons, the rest in civil defense units and in the civil service.
    2. eagle11
      eagle11 6 May 2013 16: 11 New
      +3
      Unfortunately, people from Dagestan really behave badly, education is their main scourge, it is distorted, it is difficult to name others and people. I remember we had a unit commander, a Dagestan, a respected person, he always spoke personally with all the Dagi fighters, they looked at him like a god, fell on their knees and kissed his hand (of course, such a picture shocked us a little, but in our time, no than you will surprise), he himself explained that he was from a princely teip, and this is how they express respect ... But, even though he is widely known in Dagestan and the whole diaspora respects him, I remember there was a case (dag did not obey the commander department and fought) that he planted one mountaineer, did not hush up, although he could, but brought everything to the end ,. Since “the one who does not respect the elders and casts a shadow on his people” should be punished. So what to say about ordinary officers of the "infidels", if the general-dag is not an authority, and he is not afraid that his eggs will be cut off in his homeland, for not obeying the elders. Aunt is dumb, she writes about what she doesn't know, with her chicken brains, probably her father is an officer, she wrote about him ..
  25. dld35057
    dld35057 6 May 2013 10: 47 New
    0
    Caucasians in the army do not take unequivocally. to erase 300 years of aggression genes from them should be enough so that at the sight of a weapon they would have horror in their eyes and pass out. Let the poems be written better and dance in ballet.
  26. broneboy1
    broneboy1 6 May 2013 11: 03 New
    0
    in fact, in Soviet times, when the army was strong, then even there was an unwritten rule, Caucasians in the company no more than 17%.
    Well, in general, Asians and Caucasians were sent to serve in all sorts of assholes and construction battles.
  27. Svatdevostator
    Svatdevostator 6 May 2013 11: 44 New
    +4
    It can be seen immediately the article was written by a distant man from the army !!! The most that did not like in the article cunning contract soldiers who never go into a dangerous place, But aren't the contract soldiers killed in Chechnya and Dagestan every year ??? and not the officers go with them in the mountains ??? I myself have been participating in the CTO in the territories of the southern republics for eight years now and I know what I'm talking about !!! In our detachment there is no difference whether you are a Dagestan or a Russian!
  28. at least
    at least 6 May 2013 11: 49 New
    +5
    If the author of this article had eggs, in her "head" lol this nonsense simply could not have been born. As the Germans say: a kitchen, a church, a kinder is the most suitable occupation for such a professional journalist.
  29. Clueless
    Clueless 6 May 2013 12: 01 New
    +3
    The problem is different, which the author of the article on dementia cannot think of - there is too much gap in the education of Caucasians. For now they want to join the army, those - who have not received a decent education, upbringing - for there was a war

    it’s not possible to raise an 18-20 year old guy if parents, teachers at school didn’t do this

    all the more, Caucasians do not join the army at the age of 18, I served in the railway, where this blackness was before the experience, so most of the people from them are 23-24 years old

    the difference between an 18-year-old boy and a 24-year-old man is quite huge, because the first currents are formed, and the last has already formed
  30. heavytank
    heavytank 6 May 2013 12: 04 New
    -5
    better give Dagestan independence and there will not be such superfluous words from girls of this kind
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 6 May 2013 13: 38 New
      +9
      If Dagestan is given independence, half of the Dagestanis will jackal around Russia in search of food, as independent Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Georgians, Uzbeks, Tajiks and others now.
  31. Clueless
    Clueless 6 May 2013 12: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: bask
    Otherwise, the situation will develop according to the Syrian scenario ...


    it will not develop according to this scenario, or rather if it does. that is a very very short time - a couple of months of war and there will be no more Caucasus, because one thing is the war for the "liberation" of the Caucasus that was going on earlier, another thing is the war of the nation against the nations, here everything will go according to different scenarios and with the use of other forms of struggle - "pinocchio" and aviation

    even though you don’t feel like it, there are many worthy people in the Caucasus who love their homeland, but unfortunately they have no influence, not power, not youth, because former fighters and bandits sit almost everywhere
  32. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 6 May 2013 12: 49 New
    +2
    It’s very good that you have no eggs. It's bad that the brains too ...
  33. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 6 May 2013 13: 34 New
    +2
    In earlier times, when there was no outsourcing yet, senior officers, praising the army, talked about fighters from the outback, who "saw white sheets for the first time here"


    What times were these officers like? In Russia, there has not been such a hinterland for 100 years.
    I myself come from a remote place, there is no deeper place and we always have sheets and pillows and blankets.
    Just the guys from the hinterland, accustomed to hard physical labor and independent thinking, were the backbone and the main force of the red and Soviet army, and not coddled stupid urban nerds.
    It’s very difficult to make good soldiers out of city recruits, weaklings and cowards.
  34. Hleb
    Hleb 6 May 2013 13: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Gleb
    that as far as direct insults agreed.

    what is the insult? is that I wouldn’t let her into the army boiler ???
    I think others do not want to hear such words, but for myself I’ll say it, she called me horseback h_m_o_m
    and cunning_zh_opym. so who directly offended anyone?
    where I served, the "Caucasians" did not have the spirit to place us.
  35. aviamed90
    aviamed90 6 May 2013 13: 51 New
    +3
    I read this scribble. This article can not be called reading.

    Under the seeming logic and justice of the reproaches, there is licurity!
    First, if the author does not have "eggs", as she puts it (and I naively thought that men had "testicles" and women had "ovaries") and she did not know anything about the actual situation in the army ( She did not serve herself) - and do not fucking write any nonsense! Write about what you have an idea about.

    And secondly, what have the officers to do with it? You can't put in your brains and experience to a young fighter, who only yesterday was herding sheep or hanging out on dances. All adults and no one is obliged to "re-educate" anyone! And this is impossible. Do not confuse the army with a kindergarten! Everyone should be responsible for themselves and their actions. Although, I must admit, there is a category of officers who differ little from their soldiers. But these are the results of the "military reform". And it was not the officers who carried it out, but civilians (it is difficult to recognize officers in Mr. Serdyukov or his young ladies).
  36. Black
    Black 6 May 2013 13: 57 New
    0
    But since I don’t have eggs and I can’t refer to my personal experience, discussing the intricacies of military service, I rely purely on common sense.



    Common sense in the presence of eggs and personal experience of military service tells me that he, in the absence of them, does not appear easily like that.
  37. Alexey M
    Alexey M 6 May 2013 14: 02 New
    +1
    And in our unit, some of the officers were from the Caucasus and there was not a single conflict on ethnic grounds. Because they were afraid to disgrace the family. By the way, 94-96 Chechnya was in full swing.
  38. Vtel
    Vtel 6 May 2013 14: 03 New
    +1
    If i had eggs

    Yes, you can see she really has a problem with these, square and soft-boiled, because they go through all the essays. Scolding all men is a bitch thing .. know if there are problems with this in life. But there is enough mess in the army. Hazing and other crap came to the army after the war, when they allowed the "thieves" to be drafted into the army, and this is where you need to dig how to put things in order in all directions, Schaub as Madama says not to chew snot. There are different officers, those who are not with a backpack in front in offices and in warehouses swallowed gunpowder and dust with soldiers and did not hide behind their backs and other officers, they send postcards from the funeral home for Victory Day to veterans. So it is necessary to scold specifically or this whole fucking system that is not able to function normally, so something in it needs to be changed, but to whom - Serdyukov?
  39. Oleg Rosskiyy
    Oleg Rosskiyy 6 May 2013 14: 39 New
    0
    The author needs to decide what she would like to have, eggs or to serve in the army, if the latter, then the presence of the former is not the main requirement for the suitability of the military service, but if it is still the first, then she needs to go to another site on a medical one, only she needs weigh everything well.
  40. Volkhov
    Volkhov 6 May 2013 15: 44 New
    +1
    The author is right, but this is only part of the picture. Russians are the majority in the country and the army, but like the Helots in Sparta, they are enslaved by a minority. If you allow them their own dignity, access to information and weapons, then not only the army, but also the country will change.
    This is not included in the plans, so self-defense is prohibited. I had a case when a couple of hooligan soldiers went to the post, did not understand the words, were rude, I had to send a cartridge - they left. So then they complained and at the parsing the commanders tried to make the sentry guilty, although according to the charter it was possible to shoot - he felt sorry for the fools.
    If the officers were principled and not afraid of control, then the collapse of the USSR would not have been possible and Gorbachev would have been launched on the first missile to be reduced — for the controlling minority, reason and dignity in the Russian environment are extremely dangerous. Therefore, the Dagi in the army perform a crucial political function - they make cattle slaughtered, the more they beat, the less they beat OMON.
    Do not think that the ubiquitous informers of the authorities did not report bullying and fraternity, the situation is the same as in the camps of the 30s, when criminals were considered socially close and they were allowed to beat political and peasants, which prevented uprisings.
    The army is now needed to help Israel in Syria, and the protection of the territory of Russia is not provided, mob reserves are given to blacks and Arabs, for the Russians - hunting rifles, three-rulers and the cruiser Aurora - which remains of the king.
    1. ivachum
      ivachum 6 May 2013 16: 25 New
      +1
      "Therefore, the Dagi in the army perform an important political function - they slaughter the cattle, the more they beat, the less they beat the riot police."

      You never saw how they beat daggers in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ... I do not ask, I say ... When they massively run to the good prosecutor, community leader ... etc. A few years ago in the suburbs, the commander of one of the units had to use weapons to stop the mass beating of Dagestanis. Do you remember? Somewhat earlier in the Volga region, about 50 military personnel from the North. The Caucasus tried to storm the headquarters of the unit in order to free their detained comrades ... There were no riot police ... but traumatology worked for Caucasians for a couple of days. The most interesting thing is that they most of all do not like officers of their own nations. You cannot declare them to the community ... and the mullah will not help.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 6 May 2013 17: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: ivachum
        the commander of one of the units had to use weapons to stop the mass beating of Dagestanis.

        And when did you protect Russians with weapons?
        In general, the question is strange - who will beat whom. There is a charter, weapons, all sorts of laws, and the limitlessness leads to the fact that in a "rule of law" the opposite is true - in our Moscow region, the police are on the side of black realtors and a revolution is needed to restore order, and law enforcement officers have followed the classic path of repeat offenders, starting from small in the mid-90s, they covered burglars, and in the 0s they rose economically and began to work with real estate.
  41. ed1968
    ed1968 6 May 2013 17: 20 New
    +3
    it’s all about us, or rather our disunity, if we also learn to stand for each other as they respect each other as brothers as the whole Caucasus thinks whether it is worthwhile to greet
  42. Army1
    Army1 6 May 2013 18: 08 New
    +1
    And in the photo, the fighters are clearly not a one-year service
  43. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 6 May 2013 20: 58 New
    +1
    A true idea is expressed about the direct dependence of the presence of eggs with common sense. The thought expressed by the author herself is not recognized due to the lack of eggs.
    The problem with the lawlessness of Caucasians needs a comprehensive solution. And the main component is the education of a guy before the sun. Education of the Spirit, body and mind. When a spiritual arrester comes - desperate then the Caucasians go out. I don’t want to cover up all Caucasians, there are sensible, not bad guys. But ears should be kept with an hatchet.
  44. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 6 May 2013 21: 07 New
    +2
    Military service is an honor (although many have forgotten about it), and in Dagestan and Chechnya there is a high level of terrorism, so they have not earned trust (who wants to train terrorists at their own expense?). That’s when, without exception, all Dagestanis and Chechens will look at the Terras as a wolf and wish to break the reptiles, then comrades are asking for mercy.
  45. Igor77
    Igor77 7 May 2013 13: 07 New
    +1
    I look from the side at adolescent children how they endanger their lives: they ride scooters without helmets not according to the rules, walk in the middle of the road, dive in the wrong places, drink excessively i.e. put at risk of fatal harm to life. But at the same time, these same people cannot defend their honor at the cost of their health. Yes, even the whole diaspora is for them, and I alone, I will not die, but on a scooter without a helmet and in a helmet too, I won’t sit down (this is for example).
    It is better to suffer defending the weak, your dignity, than it is foolish to get injured when crossing a careless road or dangerous to drive a vehicle. No, we perish in thousands of car crashes, and wave our fists and get them in the face. PPC
  46. Ivga_lis
    Ivga_lis 7 May 2013 22: 46 New
    0
    So this my common sense categorically refuses to understand why the Dagestanis, though being drafted into the army, are very few.


    I, as a person without eggs, can reason from the point of view of my own vision of the situation and what I heard from friends.
    So, in my opinion, the problem here is not only and not so much in the foremen and officers. Just go out into the yard and look at the janitors, go to the market and look at the ethnic vendors there. Don't you think that provided that these people live by their "aul" from birth, and no matter where they are, this aul remains in the head and surrounded; for a year of service, it is not so easy to make them exist and think in a new way. And after the notorious "right of the nation to self-determination," education and training has slipped almost to the tribal system and people even speak Russian badly. In this case, for a start, you need to make claims to the educational program, and then to the officers. Not to mention the diasporas, who, if something happens, manage to shield violators of military discipline, influencing not the foreman, but somewhere like the commander of the unit