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UAVs - death from heaven

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I would like to bring to your attention another material by the observer of the resource nstarikov.ru, Elena Fedotova, dedicated to the “unmanned death” under the stars and stripes flag. Which constantly reaps its terrible fruits in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen and Somalia without undue attention of the world media.


UAVs - death from heaven

“The iron birds have no heart and no window-eyes to see the work of their hands. The impersonation of US foreign policy — cold, blind, and ruthless — the drones fly to the peak of their glory. A whirlwind of slivers of meaningless victims salutes them.

11 September 2001 of the year came in history the death of 2977 Americans. From that day on, the USA began to shamelessly exterminate the civilian population in Afghanistan with the help of iron monsters - drones. Fighting mythical terrorism, from behind which the donkey ears of a three-letter organization (CIA) stick out, the United States received a reason to create controlled chaos in the central countries of the East. After Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia got into the “peacekeeping” cauldron, where for all the time of using the so-called “drones” no more than 2 percent of terrorists were destroyed. Of the total number of victims, which, according to modest official data, has already reached 4700 people. How many "terrorists" killed during this time? 100? Or much less? In any case, the number of civilians who died at the hands of Americans, has long exceeded the number of victims of the "national American tragedy." Meanwhile, the use of UAVs is gaining momentum.

The data of the last months from Afghanistan speak for themselves. On the night of February 13, in the province of Kunar, five children and four women became victims of an unmanned attack, four more children were injured. At the end of February, clouds thickened over the province of Uruzgan, where as a result of the “hunt for terrorists”, children of seven and eight years old were killed, gathering brushwood and loading it on donkeys. 9 March, eastern Afghan province Nangarhar. Two children and three women were injured. In the province of Ghazni 30 March, two children died and seven civilians were injured. The commander of the so-called International Security Assistance Force, rooted in Afghanistan in 2001, General Dunford blushes every time like a girl and apologizes for the “annoying” mistakes of his subordinates.

The brutality and senselessness of the so-called war on terror hurts the eyes, since the goals of the United States have long been transparent. There is no “NATO-Taliban” confrontation. There is only a brutal, predatory goal - to gain a foothold in Central Asia, the reason for which the Americans received, or rather created with their own hands 11 September 2001 of the year. Drug production, which is controlled mainly by the CIA, has increased 40 times. In the hands of the bosses of the organization of three letters flow billions of dollars, but not green, but red from the blood of the Afghan population. Washington, this great hypocrite, does not want victory over the Taliban and al-Qaeda. He wants to create a perpetual controlled chaos, a hell-free cauldron that must squeeze neighboring countries into its abyss. Wood chopping in order to chop. But slivers are not mistakes, but absolutely conscious and cynical dancing on the corpses. These people must constantly be afraid and die on schedule. And all the words about "mistakes", as well as the apologies of General Dunford, not only do not cover up, but multiply the cruel absurdity of what is happening.

Former Pakistani President Parvez Musharraf has lived in London in recent years, and recently decided to return to his homeland to take part in the May 9th parliamentary elections. But, not having time to breathe deeply the air of his native land, the politician landed himself in the hands of justice. Now he is under arrest, as he is accused in several criminal cases, among which are two murders. But he drew attention to his person a little earlier, when he made an unexpected statement. “We allowed to kill our people,” said Musharraf, a fact that had been carefully kept silent by the Pakistani authorities. In a formal style, his statement sounded somewhat different - the government during his presidency from 11 to 2004 did not put any obstacles in the way for the CIA in the region. "And in some cases even approved the" attacks of unmanned aerial vehicles.

Did the ex-president know about the “two percent statistics,” that is, that for a single killed “terrorist” there are at least a hundred civilians, citizens of his country? And if he didn’t know, didn’t he manage to make out in nine years? Be that as it may, but all these years official Islamabad has been blind, and perhaps heartless, not less than the drones themselves. He saw the light only in November of 2011, when American “warriors of good”, again “by mistake” defeated the Pakistani outpost of Salalah, killing 24 of the military. Apparently, they were more valuable in the eyes of the Pakistani government than weekly women and children are dying. Thus, since 2011, attacks by American UAVs on the territory of Pakistan occur without the consent of local authorities and, according to UN expert Ben Emmerson, are "a violation of the sovereignty of the country." But what does that change in essence? They used to kill legally, and now illegally, but still without any obstacles. To the long list of accusations against Pervez Musharraf it would be worth adding one more thing - for the betrayal of his people, in which he so sincerely confessed.

2006 was the bloodiest year for Pakistanis. As a result of three attacks by American UAVs, 97 killed civilians, including 75 children. In total, in the period from the summer of 2004 to the autumn of 2012, the “iron woodcutters” exterminated people from 1900 to 3300, most of whom were civilians. According to the most modest, repeatedly underestimated estimates that are possible with the highest degree of secrecy that the US government imposes on data on UAV operations. A striking example of statistical casuistry is that all adult Pakistani men who have fallen victim to another “error” become “terrorists” in official reports of the CIA.

The 4700 figure for UAV victims was first heard from Republican Senator Lindsay Graham. “We killed 4,7 thousands of people,” he said proudly, speaking at the club of the town of Islay in South Carolina. “Yes, sometimes innocent people were among them, but war is war. We were able to destroy several major al-Qaida leaders! ” Graham openly supports drones as a universal means of achieving the goals of the United States. Apparently, wanting to prove the effectiveness of the killer machines, he first announced the statistics of their combat successes.

UAVs are considered to be so effective that they are often used not for the elimination of specific individuals, but for “prevention”. That is, any place that has come under the suspicion of “good aibolits” can be cleared away at the touch of a button. As in the old and also very good American advertising. The rest of the work will perform an obedient "woodcutter." He will not only kill all people in a given area, but will also return and finish off the one who “by mistake” has survived and is bleeding to death. He will kill relatives who rushed to the aid of the wounded, and also ensure that no one survived the funeral. A useful feature is called “double hit.” Just one click!

The hour of unmanned aerial vehicles, which has become an endless “star war”, came with the Nobel Peace Prize laureate Barack Obama. 250 of 300 operations using UAV accounted for his first presidential term. At the very least, the 50 people killed by Obama lost their lives when they were helping the wounded, and the 20 people were burying their loved ones. John Brennan, who is called the “father of the drones” for his particularly reverent attitude towards killer cars, took the post of head of the CIA under the current president. Not more than a year ago, he spoke of the “surgical precision” of UAV attacks, asserting that the United States is authorizing only those operations whose undoubted goal is terrorists. However, in their right mind, you can only talk about their surgical composure.

Humming, gray, blind rockets turned Pakistani life into an endless nightmare. A continuous reminder of death that can fall upon your house at any moment, governed by a higher will, but not the will of God, but his eternal opponent. Probably, you can call it a game of “American roulette” - either they will kill you when you do not expect, or you will die in endless waiting, from a break in your heart. In any case, there are no options for normal human existence.

The newspaper "Guardian" recently published a series of photographs received after the strikes of UAVs on populated areas of Pakistan. They captured a child named Naim Ulla, who was killed in the town of Datta Khel, and two children who died in Pirano, who became a “living” refutation of the false reports of the CIA about the “surgical precision” of their “iron chippers”. And is it far from these machines some members of the CIA and the US government left? The facts, again voiced in the newspaper, confirm that they are not. Thus, the “double blow” is used not as an exception, but as a legitimate practice. UAVs often return to the scene of the crime and kill the wounded. As a result of one of these raids, a Pakistani boy lost both legs and lost a house, which was mistaken for a Taliban base by “mistake”.

In the eyes of a fifteen-year-old Sadaullah, heartless rockets deprived the lives of his cousins ​​and an uncle in a wheelchair. The boy remembered this in the hospital, where he woke up without an eye and both legs. The roommates hurried to assure him that in such an ill-fated place as the province of Waziristan, people with disabilities have no future.

The five-year-old Shakira, whose photo spread all over the world, was “lucky enough” to survive after an attack by an American drone. She received burns of the whole body, but still tries to smile. The photograph is accompanied by a signature: "The order on the air strike came from the Nobel Peace Prize laureate."


At the end of January of this year, the UN Commission launched a major investigation into the use of UAVs in Pakistan. Several countries addressed the Human Rights Council, including Russia, China and Pakistan, finally concerned about the fate of their people. The latter accuses the United States of encroachment on state sovereignty. The commission investigates about 30 cases of UAV attacks, focusing on the technique of double hits. On all counts, US actions must be qualified as a war crime. Pakistan and the United States are not officially fighting, but, from the point of view of international law, the destruction of a combatant is permissible only in a state of war. Therefore, the “mistakes” of the American government can only be regarded as murder at the international level. The results of the investigation will be known in the coming months, but no one harbors any special illusions about the serious allegations. The legal assessment process complicates the position of the White House many times, which closes access to the data on conducted operations, refusing to fulfill its international obligations.

The Boston explosion killed three people, among whom was one child. The terrorist attack is called the worst in American history since September 11, 2001. American Kurt Vonnegut in the novel "Slaughter Number Five" on the destruction of peaceful Dresden aviation "Allies" during World War II, does not say a word about the bombing itself. Since in the process of writing the novel he comes to the firm belief that it is impossible to talk about war. It is impossible to talk about death, because any word spoken about it will be a lie. When someone dies in a novel, he says “So it goes,” which in Russian means “such things.” One can only remain silent about death, but understanding of this comes only in war.

In the "peaceful" United States, one child died. NewsLike a tsunami, public opinion was stirred up. In Pakistan and Afghanistan, hundreds of innocent children who are unaware of the meaning of the words “war” and “death” are killed by American drones each year.

And in response - so it goes ... "
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  1. svp67
    svp67 5 May 2013 11: 03 New
    +9
    Of course, the fact that children are dying, and simply innocent people, is bad, very bad. And to mean that this would not happen here, our Armed Forces need to quickly master both the UAVs themselves and to develop and bring to perfection, the means and methods of dealing with them ...
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 5 May 2013 11: 46 New
      13
      "Our Armed Forces need to quickly master both the strike UAVs themselves," - even hedgehogs understand what they need. But it is more important for the management to hold the Winter Olympics in Sochi, the football championship, and build unprofitable stadiums. To renovate the FACADES of the houses of culture. The factories that produce real products and give people permanent jobs - do not care.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMTT4jTj7Qs
      1. cumastra1
        cumastra1 5 May 2013 15: 44 New
        +4
        Of course, they stole half of them and they will plunder the same amount, if it was just stupid to invest that money in solving the "housing problem", the problem would be removed in a couple of years. But there are no 10 days of skiing more important than social problems, a demographic pit.
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 5 May 2013 12: 17 New
      +4
      And a little more about how important sport is for our leadership
      http://autorambler.ru/journal/events/26.04.2013/560983016/?gcv_source=news_block
      _new & red = false
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 5 May 2013 12: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      Of course, the fact that children are dying, and just innocent people, is bad, very bad

      Yes ..... But if, frankly, I don’t feel sorry for the Americans, nor the Afghans, nor the Pakistanis, nor any others. All of them are potential opponents, and let them mutuate each other for health.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 5 May 2013 13: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: baltika-18
        Yes ..... But if, frankly, I don’t feel sorry for the Americans, nor the Afghans, nor the Pakistanis, nor any others. All of them are potential opponents, and let them mutuate each other for health.


        Unhealthy cynicism. Do not say so, it’s bad for a moral character.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 5 May 2013 17: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Unhealthy cynicism

          We live in a cynical world ... And in order to defeat him, you need to become a little more cynical than him in relation to him.
          1. Joker
            Joker 5 May 2013 21: 20 New
            +5
            We live in a cynical world ... And in order to defeat him, you need to become a little more cynical than him in relation to him.

            I fully support. Well, we didn’t live cynically before, and what did we get? We have built hospitals and schools, developed infrastructure in "friendly" countries, and what did you get in the end? Spit in the back. It is necessary to act in the same way as the Americans, to make the backbone of allies who can do something without us, and from the rest to siphon resources, it's enough to be good-natured.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 6 May 2013 00: 56 New
              +1
              Americans are engaged and are building the very hospitals and schools, and they are getting spits in the back. At the same time, they do not forget about their interests. I did not forget about them and the USSR. Although, of course, he wasted resources much more thoughtlessly
      2. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 5 May 2013 16: 23 New
        +1
        Well done, Crazy chamber, So wait for the iron birds above your head, you still do not feel sorry for anyone, The logic of the iron bird, Congratulations,
      3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 5 May 2013 20: 45 New
        +1
        Oddly enough, but I completely agree with you ...... half of the site visitors are ready to destroy the enemy, wipe off the face of the earth with children and women and the elderly, does this seem to be the result after the use of nuclear weapons? ... the same time suffer a bunch of ----- ointments, surprising is not it .....?
    4. Rus2012
      Rus2012 5 May 2013 13: 41 New
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      Of course, the fact that children are dying, and simply innocent people, is bad, very bad. And to mean that this would not happen here, our Armed Forces need to quickly master both the UAVs themselves and to develop and bring to perfection, the means and methods of dealing with them ...


      What is needed first of all is means of early detection and electronic warfare capable of "blind" and suppressing control channels. We also need means of destruction commensurate with the price of a UAV.
      Well, of course, its UAVs for various purposes. We once had them -
      http://grey-croco.livejournal.com/753271.html



    5. APASUS
      APASUS 5 May 2013 14: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      Of course, the fact that children are dying, and simply innocent people, is bad, very bad.

      I always wanted to ask a question:
      How does this happen from the legal side? A plane is a rocket!
      The operator using the testimony makes a death sentence on his own assumption !!!
      There is no evidence for you, there is no way to object or refute than not terrorism in its purest form ???
      Why are these guys at the console better than the Tsarnaev brothers ???
      And the answer is usually an apology!
      The error came out ........
      1. smile
        smile 5 May 2013 16: 31 New
        +3
        APASUS
        You yourself answered your own question - this does not correlate with any law ... and the UAV operators are very happy to comment on the results of their fun, and most importantly safe activities ... one of the differences from such Tsarnaevs is safety, comfortable working conditions and a pre-written indulgence ... it's like going to a shooting game to play ...
        1. Normal
          Normal 5 May 2013 16: 44 New
          +7
          Quote: APASUS
          How does this happen from the legal side? A plane is a rocket!

          Quote: smile
          You yourself answered your question - this does not correspond in any way with any right.

          Shoot down! Shoot down and knock down! If a state cannot or does not want to control its airspace, then this state cannot be considered independent and sovereign. That is, it cannot be considered a state in full.
          Pakistan in this case is just such a "state". The central government is unable to control part of the territory and the entire airspace.
          As G.K. Zhukov "Woe to the one who cannot repel an air strike."
          1. vilenich
            vilenich 6 May 2013 07: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: Normal
            Woe to the one who cannot repel an air strike

            Let me correct the quote a little: "A SEVERE MOUNTAIN awaits that country, which turns out to be UNCAPABLE TO REFLECT A BLOW FROM AIR".
            From the unpublished work of G.K. Zhukov "SOVIET MILITARY STRATEGY 1941-1945."
      2. Rink
        Rink 5 May 2013 17: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: APASUS
        Why are these guys at the console better than the Tsarnaev brothers ???

        It is no better than that, in working as such an operator, to kill women and children (well aware who is the target of the strike), and then return to strike at the wounded who are helping, you need to have the psyche of a sadist, a serial killer who enjoys the torment of his victims in conditions of full, guaranteed impunity.
        These are real war criminals, just like the "laborers" in the Nazi death camps.

        By the way, can Russia also take this practice: to kill all Umarovs and other terrorists with drones on the territory of England, the United States and other countries? In Germany alone, about 200 of them took refuge. Well, just think, a dozen more British, Americans or Finns will die around the destroyed (maybe) odious "rebel" - but it will be possible to proudly declare that we are also participating in the fight against terrorism! That we, too, are trying to bring the light of democracy, and thanks to our strikes, life in their countries will become safer and more peaceful? And the fact that a little of the civilian population died - so maybe they, too, were potential terrorists and were under his influence? In general, only one benefit is visible.

        But seriously, it would be nice to organize some kind of international action with the collection of signatures under an appeal to the Nobel Committee on the withdrawal of the Peace Prize from Obama. We need to collect facts from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Guantanamo and other secret CIA prisons, from Iraq. Recall the supply of arms to illegal gangs in Syria.

        Bungle some site in the main European and Asian languages ​​with a detailed description of these facts, supported by photographs and links to articles in the press. With the ability to vote for or against this fucking laureate (I think the overwhelming majority will be against). And then send this letter to the Nobel Committee with a call to deprive Barack Obama of the prize given to him in advance, as a disgrace to the very idea of ​​the Peace Prize.

        That would be a good move ...
        1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 5 May 2013 20: 48 New
          -4
          You rave .....
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 6 May 2013 00: 53 New
          -3
          Oh God, what nonsense
  2. Belogor
    Belogor 5 May 2013 11: 07 New
    12
    What can I say, these Americans are hypocritical scum.
    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 5 May 2013 20: 50 New
      -4
      The hypocrite in this case is you ..... who do you think is the officer on duty at the button, or the captain of a submarine cruiser? Or is the nuclear weapons point? .....
      1. tixon444
        tixon444 5 May 2013 23: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: NOBODY BUT US
        The hypocrite in this case is you ..... who do you think is the officer on duty at the button, or the captain of a submarine cruiser? Or is the nuclear weapons point? .....

        The fact of the use of UAVs by amers is a proven fact. And we didn’t use nuclear weapons against Japan.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 6 May 2013 00: 52 New
          0
          Well, invent it not in 1949, but in 1944 or 1945 - you would apply it. And absolutely no questions asked.
          1. vilenich
            vilenich 6 May 2013 07: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            Well, invent it not in 1949, but in 1944 or 1945 - you would apply it. And absolutely no questions asked.

            In the 44-45th is unlikely, why? But if nuclear weapons existed in the 41st, then it is likely, although not the fact, that in that case Hitler would have come to us ...
  3. SEM
    SEM 5 May 2013 11: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    Of course, the fact that children are dying, and simply innocent people, is bad, very bad. And to mean that this would not happen here, our Armed Forces need to quickly master both the UAVs themselves and to develop and bring to perfection, the means and methods of dealing with them ...

    In my opinion, the means of struggle are more important ... We are not aggressors)))
    1. svp67
      svp67 5 May 2013 11: 13 New
      +9
      Quote: SEM
      In my opinion, the means of struggle are more important ... We are not aggressors)))
      Those who are only defending themselves doom themselves to defeat in advance, since the best defense is attack. To win, you must be able to have everything and have all kinds of weapons ...
      1. Raven1972
        Raven1972 5 May 2013 12: 07 New
        +2
        And who said that we will only defend ourselves? wink Our armored train is on the siding))) First we catch the scrap that has arrived, and then let's go take an interest in whose scrap? Along the way, in the process of finding out a knock, with everyone who wants their own crowbar on the head ... soldier hi drinks
        Recall that it is better not to wake a sleeping bear ....
      2. Rink
        Rink 5 May 2013 17: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: SEM
        In my opinion, the means of struggle are more important ... We are not aggressors)))
        Those who are only defending themselves doom themselves to defeat in advance, since the best defense is attack. To win, you must be able to have everything and have all kinds of weapons ...

        That's right!
        And in order to shed the blood of their own people less, - real fighting, in my opinion, everyone recognizes as a desirable scenario - you need to fight actively, attacks on the information front (of course, backed by real military power). And to use not only the UN rostrum for this, surprisingly little information leaks from the United States into the press. It is necessary to go to the media, to the Internet in order to convey the truth to every western citizen.

        This will reduce the likelihood of events developing according to the "hot" scenario. I think it's better if the cannons stay covered longer?
        1. svp67
          svp67 5 May 2013 17: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Skating rink
          This will reduce the likelihood of events developing according to the "hot" scenario. I think it's better if the cannons stay covered longer?

          This is all great, but for this it is necessary that there are guns, and that they are not "rusty" and outdated ...
          1. Rink
            Rink 5 May 2013 17: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            This is all great, but for this it is necessary that there are guns, and that they are not "rusty" and outdated ...

            You are reading inattentively. That is why I emphasized:
            ... attacks on the information front (of course, backed by real military power).

            This eliminates "rusty and obsolete".

            ___________________

            PS It seems that the development of events is being forced according to the "hot" scenario. Israel today launched a massive air strike against the military structure of Syria. 43 objects were attacked, including Assad's personal security base. They write that perhaps some of the objects were hit by the Harpoon missile launcher launched from American ships in the Mediterranean Sea.
            This is a big war to destroy Syria.
            angry

            Probably Assad did well press Islamic militants?
            But where are the Syrian air defense systems? They wrote that they have both Shell-C1, and even C300 ...
    2. nekeesh
      nekeesh 5 May 2013 11: 25 New
      +5
      I do not agree. The ability to get on the teeth is much more effective in stopping the aggressor than the availability of means of struggle.
    3. OTTO
      OTTO 5 May 2013 13: 44 New
      +8
      Quote: SEM
      In my opinion, the means of struggle are more important ... We are not aggressors
      I heard somewhere that "the best air defense is our tanks at the enemy airfield"
  4. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 5 May 2013 11: 18 New
    0
    in my opinion, the presence of weapons on an UAV was prohibited
    1. v53993
      v53993 5 May 2013 11: 28 New
      -7
      UAVs are the weapons of those who are weak in open combat.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 5 May 2013 18: 08 New
        0
        But what about the UAV - let's get the machine right away. Only teeth and nails, only in the throat
    2. matross
      matross 5 May 2013 11: 34 New
      +3
      On paper, you can ban anything. Naglosaksa all put one on any prohibitions. Shoot down their Pakistanis. And screaming to the whole world about the aggressive actions of the United States. Ask for help from international institutions and friendly countries.
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 5 May 2013 20: 52 New
        -3
        How to shoot down? With sticks? ....
    3. DPN
      DPN 5 May 2013 13: 32 New
      +4
      The powerful of this world is not forbidden, but the striped states are such. And until there is a good mess on their territory and everything will be up to the lantern.
  5. v53993
    v53993 5 May 2013 11: 26 New
    +6
    Americans are scum, by definition. And in the open are weak. From personal experience.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 5 May 2013 18: 08 New
      0
      And what exactly are weak? 8)
      1. The cat
        The cat 5 May 2013 23: 47 New
        -1
        Quote: Pimply
        And what exactly are weak? 8)

        Probably a lot of vodka can not survive.
    2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 5 May 2013 20: 55 New
      -3
      Interesting ? Where did you fight with them? Enlighten the darkness ... from personal experience ...
  6. SEM
    SEM 5 May 2013 11: 28 New
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: SEM
    In my opinion, the means of struggle are more important ... We are not aggressors)))
    Those who are only defending themselves doom themselves to defeat in advance, since the best defense is attack. To win, you must be able to have everything and have all kinds of weapons ...

    DISAGREE since we do not put missile defense systems along the entire length of the US borders and develop means of overcoming it. Here we need to think differently and it makes no sense to chase the USA we must go our own way, which will reduce all their efforts to zero. Are they close to a strain for us it is not known how this happens ......
    1. svp67
      svp67 5 May 2013 11: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: SEM
      DISAGREE since we do not put a missile defense system along the entire length of the US borders and develop means to overcome it
      This is not much else. Impact UAVs are multifunctional combat vehicles. Now they are used for reconnaissance and striking at ground targets, one more step must be taken - to teach them to hunt for their own kind ...
      1. SEM
        SEM 5 May 2013 11: 42 New
        +2
        Well, this is a race again, although I agree here because we actually have drones full of primitives))) it’s very important to calculate everything and not rush into the next adventure but to do only what is obviously needed and suitable not only for viewing but also for work + you need a jump that The use of these drones will be useless, an example of a means of blocking their work)))))
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        2. krokodil25
          krokodil25 5 May 2013 15: 04 New
          0
          Quote: SEM
          we actually have drones full primitive)

          Well, which side to look at
  7. bubla5
    bubla5 5 May 2013 11: 29 New
    +1
    It’s just that UAVs fly with impunity and operate where there is weak or almost no air defense, which means deliveries of air defense systems to Afghans and other countries where the Yankees mess up, but this is not feasible, we are simply dependent or controlled from the states
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 5 May 2013 12: 15 New
      0
      Quote: bubla5
      Just UAVs fly with impunity and operate where weak or almost no air defense

      Not only there is no air defense but also there is no electronic warfare ... All drones are remotely controlled, therefore ALWAYS you can put interference on the control channel and the UAV will turn into a pile of iron trash ... This is not to mention the fact that it is possible to seize control .... soldier hi
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 5 May 2013 12: 43 New
        +4
        You just forget that the places where drones fly are under the control of the US forces too. Think about what would happen if the Afghans try to turn on EW funds? It is a different matter when a drone flies to Iran or any other country. Everything is possible there!
      2. Egen
        Egen 6 May 2013 05: 42 New
        0
        Quote: Raven1972
        All drones are remotely controlled, therefore, ALWAYS you can put interference on the control channel and the UAV will turn into a pile of iron trash

        that's it. IMHO article is political, has nothing to do with weapons. Author (s) run into drones as the perpetrators of the victims. And what does the iron have to do with it? Thank God we have not lived up to science fiction novels :), UAVs are controlled by people, it’s not their own fault, but those who control them! And the UAV is just a means of delivering weapons to the target. For some reason, we don’t blame the Boeing, the terrorists on which demolished the towers in NY. UAVs are simply a more convenient means of logistics - it’s cheaper and the pilot doesn’t risk preparing for it, which millions are thumping too.
        But, rightly so, the same UAV, in comparison with an aircraft, has a significant drawback - a communication channel. Now technologies are developing so quickly that developed countries (to which I hope the Russian Federation also belongs) can have time to develop an electronic warfare facility faster than the enemy will update the defense. It is clear that the "autopilot" on the UAV can work even when the signal is suppressed, but only once; it is easier to shoot it down once without human control; in principle, you can take control.
        Conclusion: they forgot the proverb that it is not the gun itself that shoots ...
    2. svp67
      svp67 5 May 2013 13: 56 New
      +3
      Quote: bubla5
      Just UAVs fly with impunity and operate where weak or almost no air defense
      Like any aircraft ...
  8. lm_
    lm_ 5 May 2013 11: 32 New
    +1
    We live and watch the daily comedy that once again there will be no perpetrators, and then lawlessness can be created. Someone from the prophets said that unprincipled and inhuman people would be in power, and it would be difficult to live. I did not think that this time had already come. But now every day I am convinced of this. I also know that this time will pass and universal prosperity will come ...
  9. Zomanus
    Zomanus 5 May 2013 11: 33 New
    -3
    This is just an example of what happens to pacifist countries. Hoping for help and protection of the United States, let them now blame themselves. Although Nichrome is not sorry for this Amerovskaya litter.
    1. smile
      smile 5 May 2013 16: 37 New
      +3
      Zomanus
      Well, ranking Pakistan as a pacifist is very strong ... :))) But you are right in that it is a natural result of transferring part of your sovereignty to good Americans .... it’s not a pity to litter, but to call all the dead civilians this litter it’s not worth it ...
  10. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 5 May 2013 12: 22 New
    +3
    In fact, it has already been proven that unmanned attack aircraft is not a promising army weapon, it is a punitive club for rebellious, but very weak opponents. In a normal war, they have no place. One thing is not clear to me why our country is to build just such clubs? whom are we going to punish? In general, the prospects of UAVs are now in question. Too many cons. You can conduct scientific research, you can even build experimental UAVs. But run them in a series of money down the drain. There is a segment, reconnaissance vehicles of small sizes, here they need more and better. But spending money on drums is not wise.
    1. svp67
      svp67 5 May 2013 12: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: vladsolo56
      In fact, it has already been proven that unmanned attack aircraft are not a promising army weapon, it is a punitive club for rebellious, but very weak opponents. In a normal war, they have no place.
      What do you mean by "normal war"? I think that such a weapon is at the very beginning of the journey and has great prospects. But even now, as they are, they can be successfully used to combat bandit formations in the Caucasus.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 5 May 2013 12: 37 New
        -2
        Well, you just agreed that it was a baton, and what it is better in this case than a combat helicopter or, for example, the Su-25. And in a real war, any such aircraft will be shot down at a time. In addition, there is already equipment that can block communication with the drone, and it will simply become an uncontrollable glider. But that’s not all, there are ways to disable all electronics, and then it will generally fall. In general, while he has more minuses than pluses.
        1. matross
          matross 5 May 2013 12: 44 New
          +6
          Quote: vladsolo56
          and then he will generally fall. In general, while he has more minuses than pluses.

          Will fall. And the operator will remain alive. This plus will block all the cons. And with the failure of electronics and communications, a controlled aircraft will bring little benefit.
          1. matross
            matross 5 May 2013 12: 48 New
            +1
            Sorry for the slip. Manned aircraft repeat
            1. Epiphans
              Epiphans 5 May 2013 12: 55 New
              +4
              vladsolo56
              Well, if we are talking about the most powerful electronic warfare - then of course, but if the connection with the PU is simply drowned, then the UAV will quietly return home automatically. Such a function has been implemented since the 80s.
          2. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 5 May 2013 15: 02 New
            0
            Well, the operator will remain alive, so what? in real war, what is the plus? the task is not completed, the plane is lost, where are the pluses?
        2. svp67
          svp67 5 May 2013 13: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: vladsolo56
          In addition, there is already equipment that can block communication with the drone, and it will simply become an uncontrollable glider. But that’s not all, there are ways to disable all electronics, and then it will generally fall. In general, while he has more minuses than pluses.

          Well, firstly, not everything is as sad as you imagine.
          -equipment that allows you to block communication with the drone is quite road and bulky and is transported by truck. I do not think that many gangs have this or money to buy it.
          - for a long time we have been advancing the direction of the so-called - "artificial intelligence" (our PC missiles already have something similar), so in case of loss of communication with the center, this machine will act independently, until the connection with the center is restored;
          -all the problems with the "communication lines" of the American UAVs only from the fact that the amers did not bother to make them "protected", but what prevents us from doing this ...
        3. DPN
          DPN 5 May 2013 13: 35 New
          -1
          There are a lot of minuses, therefore they urinate as though and where they want, almost in terms of GDP.
  11. gregor6549
    gregor6549 5 May 2013 12: 40 New
    +4
    Drones are an excellent means of saving the lives of their pilots where there is no special need to risk those lives. Including in the conditions of local wars where peasants are fighting against technologically developed countries with Berdanks, which are not particularly dangerous for drones. When countries with a high scientific and technical potential have to fight among themselves, the effectiveness of the UAV can sharply decrease to an indecently low level. After all, UAVs are still relatively slow-moving "flying machines" with a fairly large reflective surface and a radio command remote control system that is quite vulnerable to interference. Some of them also have the ability to fly in an autonomous control mode, but in this mode the UAV's vulnerability is even higher than with remote control, because the intelligence of autonomous UAV control systems will remain at a rather primitive level for quite a long time.
    1. svp67
      svp67 5 May 2013 13: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: gregor6549
      UAVs are an excellent way to save the lives of their pilots where there is no special need to risk these lives. Including in conditions of local wars where peasants are fighting against technologically developed countries, with Berdanks, which are not particularly dangerous for drones.


      Quote: vladsolo56
      . In general, while he has more minuses than pluses.



      This all reminds me of a statement by one of the German newspapers of the First World War.
      "Tanks are an absurd fantasy and charlatanism," wrote one German newspaper of the time: "Monster machines only hit the soldiers for a short time, but soon the healthy soul of a good German calms down, and he easily fights against a stupid machine."

      Do you also think that they were right?
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 5 May 2013 15: 02 New
        +2
        Dear Sergei, it seems that you do not quite understand the meaning of my post and compare, excuse me, God's gift with scrambled eggs. Who is against the submarine? For example, I am FOR. Moreover, at one time he was engaged in the development of an automated control system for the control of units of the Air Force and Ground Force, which was supposed to be equipped with UAVs. I only want the place of the UAV in the general system of the Armed Forces to be assessed soberly. As well as the capabilities of the UAVs themselves. Tank troops, after all, by themselves, did not give anything, until they became an organic part of the Armed Forces, balanced with other types of combat arms. In the meantime, this "organic" was not burned these tanks for nothing. And this happened in all wars and local conflicts without exception, regardless of who sat at the control levers of tanks in these wars. By the way, the Germans had samples of "unmanned" tanks during the war. And what, these or other "wunderwaffe" somehow significantly influenced the outcome of the war?
        1. svp67
          svp67 5 May 2013 16: 13 New
          +2
          Dear Grigory, in principle, we are talking about the same thing. I, too, do not advocate for the widespread and every minute transfer of our Air Force to UAVs. But the trouble is that after the breakthrough of the 60s, when the Tu-121 "Yastreb-123" reconnaissance UAV was created on the basis of the Tu-1 projectile, and then the Tu-141 "Strizh" UAV, Tu-143 "Flight" and Tu-243 "Flight-D", and La17 in the damned 90s and zero, nothing was delivered to the troops. And in other countries, at that moment, many samples of UAVs were already received at the tactical level. There they were "rolled in" and brought to a certain perfection. We must also pass this path, or rather "run". Otherwise, we simply cannot. And by the way, the UAV in the battalion link is the battalion's "aerial binoculars", a very necessary thing.
      2. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 5 May 2013 15: 13 New
        +2
        Tell me, do you think about yours? I clearly wrote that at this stage, scientific work, experiments should be carried out, in other words, work on improvement. If we return to the tanks, then in World War I they just did not show themselves at all. Their minuses were just a lot more than the pluses.
        1. svp67
          svp67 5 May 2013 16: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: vladsolo56
          If we return to the tanks, then in World War I they just did not show themselves at all. Their minuses were just a lot more than the pluses.

          Well, here I do not agree at all. It was only thanks to the tanks that the Allies managed to win, since they managed to overcome the positional crisis, and this despite the MANY "-" tanks of that time.
        2. svp67
          svp67 5 May 2013 16: 33 New
          0
          Quote: vladsolo56
          I clearly wrote that at this stage, scientific work, experiments should be carried out, in other words, work on improvement.
          This should have been done in the 90s and noughties. Now this is not enough. the troops must be supplied with world-class UAVs, so that the troops have worked out the tactics of their use and "got used" to them. And during this time, on the basis of the experience gained - already create samples "superior to the world" level ...
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 5 May 2013 19: 04 New
            -2
            Explain lucidly why today in the army need strike UAVs? where to apply them? What is the sudden urgency in their production? Amusement to amuse, to prove to someone that we can also do something, it already annoys me how easily they are ready to throw money into unnecessary projects. Just to keep up with the West.
            1. Lone gunman
              Lone gunman 5 May 2013 19: 13 New
              +1
              And you look at our long, impassable and not quite equipped borders of Russia and the question will disappear by itself ...
            2. svp67
              svp67 5 May 2013 19: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: vladsolo56
              Explain lucidly why today in the army need strike UAVs?

              Well, we immediately re-qualify them in reconnaissance - drums. And where are you needed
              - Well, of course, primarily in the Caucasus.
              -for escort of columns and protection of column ways
              -for the protection of critical facilities,
              - as part of combined arms brigades (regiments), in this case it would be good to train them in the ability to destroy their own kind.
              -for the identification and destruction of particularly important targets on the battlefield

              Quote: vladsolo56
              what is the sudden urgency in their production

              Yes, because it is one thing to study in theory, and another in practice. The troops have to run around this technique and understand its capabilities and what it can change on the battlefield.
              1. Egen
                Egen 6 May 2013 05: 50 New
                0
                Quote: svp67
                in this case, it would be good to train them in the ability to destroy their own kind.


                Robert Sheckley "Guardian Bird" 1953 :(
            3. svp67
              svp67 5 May 2013 19: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: vladsolo56
              Amusement to amuse, to prove to someone that we can also do something, it already annoys me how easily they are ready to throw money into unnecessary projects.
              And you are not annoyed that in the 08.08.08 war we lost our people, scouts, artillery - scouts, ambushed Georgian special forces groups, do you think these "machines" could be useful in that war?
              1. vladsolo56
                vladsolo56 6 May 2013 04: 58 New
                0
                I will unequivocally answer that in the war with Georgia from shock drones would be no use. Any military man, especially a pilot, will confirm this to you.
            4. svp67
              svp67 5 May 2013 21: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: vladsolo56
              where to apply them

              Quote: vladsolo56
              What is the sudden urgency in their production?


              Here is another aspect that we are still losing sight of - the creation of a single information-command field; UAVs can be very useful for its creation ...
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 5 May 2013 21: 37 New
                +1
                Repeaters for VHF communication. In the mountains are very in demand.
                Like machines relaying data from reconnaissance groups. sensors like "Reality".
                As an addition to the GLONASS system.
                As a platform for the deployment of electronic intelligence equipment and electronic warfare
  12. Ilya Mikhalych
    Ilya Mikhalych 5 May 2013 12: 45 New
    -3
    It’s good for drones to bomb clay sheds somewhere in the Middle East. Modern (and not so) air defense systems quite easily deal with UAVs.
    1. Epiphans
      Epiphans 5 May 2013 12: 57 New
      +5
      No. Khrulev couldn’t bring down the Georgian UAV 888. Zushki is oblique, but he doesn’t take the IR-GSN. So they were tormented.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 5 May 2013 22: 44 New
        +1
        Khrulyov simply forgot to take with him what drones can bring down.
  13. Dyagilev
    Dyagilev 5 May 2013 12: 47 New
    +6
    A very promising type of weapon. An article that it is in bad hands. And we seem to have good hands, but such weapons ... - at least buy from the Jews. What is the problem? Ali hands grow from the wrong place?
  14. Epiphans
    Epiphans 5 May 2013 12: 53 New
    +2
    Well done Americans: it took - they took and did. In Russia, UAVs can only be seen on TV, and those that are are piece artifacts.
  15. DPN
    DPN 5 May 2013 13: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Well, you just agreed that it was a baton, and what it is better in this case than a combat helicopter or, for example, the Su-25. And in a real war, any such aircraft will be shot down at a time. In addition, there is already equipment that can block communication with the drone, and it will simply become an uncontrollable glider. But that’s not all, there are ways to disable all electronics, and then it will generally fall. In general, while he has more minuses than pluses.

    Because of these disadvantages, they urinate wherever they want.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 5 May 2013 15: 14 New
      -2
      Whom do you want, civilians, maybe you dream about it?
  16. DPN
    DPN 5 May 2013 13: 48 New
    0
    Russia may not need UAVs, we won’t wake war with the United States, you can preliminarily scare others with a missile so that you don’t get offended by the consequences.
    In general, it will be suitable for sale to maintain our defense industry.
  17. Delink
    Delink 5 May 2013 13: 49 New
    0
    You can fight UAVs if you launch a laser system into space for tracking and destruction. Or a powerful electromagnetic point pulse. The plasma gun has not yet been made.
  18. Vtel
    Vtel 5 May 2013 14: 26 New
    0
    The 4700 figure for UAV victims first came from the lips of Republican Senator Lindsay Graham. “We killed 4,7 thousand people,” he said proudly, speaking at a club in the town of Islay in South Carolina. “Yes, sometimes among them were innocent residents, but war is war.

    When "soulless" UAVs appear over their states, we'll see what they will then say, maybe also "Yes, sometimes there were innocent inhabitants among them, but war is war." The RPV operator thinks that he is invulnerable, since he is far from the scenes of the murders committed by him, but the Lord is omnipresent and he will not hide from his court - a virtual Rambo.
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    1. smile
      smile 5 May 2013 16: 56 New
      0
      AvadaCedavra
      Oh, where did you come from, so bruised? :)))
      Judging by the abundance of nonsense in your statement, you only want to annoy people? Well, admit, nothing will happen to you, because this is your kind of humor, right? :)))
      Well, prala !!! It is necessary to cut out the population of those countries where pedrills are not the ruling class! We must stop looking at homosexuals and start stoning women and chopping limbs, as in civilized Arabia, we must introduce torture and indefinite imprisonment, as in the super-good USA ... we must nail the brave Mishiko to the head of a halo .. (with a nail) ... and to give him at last to cut out the Ossetians with the Abkhazians - otherwise what kind of democracy is there? Well. those Avgans who, even being our enemies before, are very warm towards us, having perfectly learned the difference between us and Nata, the Americans will kill themselves - no intervention is required. and the fact that we built there the Americans have long destroyed ...
      Long live the unconditional and impunity democratic destruction of people! Let's shout "hurray", gentlemen, to the new order - a bloody bacchanalia in destroyed, torn apart, robbed, trampled into the stone age of Libya, Iraq ... let's welcome the fighters for human rights, cutting heads and ripping bellies in bleeding Syria ... selling organs from Serbs in Kosovo!
      And the main thing is to glorify the resourcefulness of your conscience, which ran away from you in time, to be seen at birth, not wanting to experience torment, at the same time grabbing the mind. so that it would not be boring ...:))) .... you do not look like a person ... so, cadaver ....
      1. smile
        smile 5 May 2013 22: 06 New
        0
        gentlemen pederasts .... apparently, you still use your miserable minuses, despite the harsh statements that you do not care about public opinion .... well, you homosexuals are not like people .. ..so this ... if anyone has a colon that’s not that thin ... maybe you’ll try .... miserable, answer in person, huh? And then, damn it, it’s somehow inconvenient ..... there’s nobody to give on the neck ...... while there are three noted ... except for the author, two urrrorods ....... well, answer at least one, huh ... talk, chtoli, you homosexuals, with that kind of thing is normal ....
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    3. DPN
      DPN 5 May 2013 21: 32 New
      +2
      Strange Soviet and Russian troops killed everyone and you were not touched, they covered themselves with the flag of Russia.
      1. smile
        smile 5 May 2013 21: 52 New
        0
        DPN
        really, strange ... they killed and ate everyone, and AvadaCedavra .... such rubbish, they left .... most likely, the thing is that the cannibals eat their own .... so, AvadaCedavra comrade is just an insect .. to whom need!? ... even know how hard it is to bring out cockroaches, bugs and lice .... well, and cannibalism for them, for insects, is the norm .... CADADR, HELLO !!!!!!!
  20. a jacket
    a jacket 5 May 2013 16: 19 New
    0
    In the film "17 Moments of Spring" a German general (played by N. Gritsenko brilliantly) said about the Americans
    "These idiots will be killed by their own technique." Someday drones will make a mistake and - but on their own. 100 poods. Or someone will unobtrusively advise them to do it.
  21. annenkov242
    annenkov242 5 May 2013 16: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Raven1972
    And who said that we will only defend ourselves? wink Our armored train is on the siding))) First we catch the scrap that has arrived, and then let's go take an interest in whose scrap? Along the way, in the process of finding out a knock, with everyone who wants their own crowbar on the head ... soldier hi drinks
    Recall that it is better not to wake a sleeping bear ....

    Christ is Risen, Orthodox !!! No, guys, the "bear" is under anesthesia. He is not even woken up by shots over the ear: Kvachkov, Khabarov, the odious speech of Kudrin-Putin, 25, Israeli air strikes in Syria, during the call to their port of the Azov large landing craft. What is it! They just laugh at us, veiled by the conspiracy of Freemasonry. HELP THE LORD!
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  23. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 5 May 2013 20: 22 New
    +6
    Amer is arrogant and cynical, acting from a position of strength and consider themselves infallible. At first I thought that these leaders were so cynical, but no. The ordinary layman was so brainwashed that he quite seriously believes that everything America does is right. Therefore, under the bogeyman of the fight against terrorism, they will continue, using the support of the majority of the population, to commit war crimes without fear of the Hague court. This is the first.
    Second, the UAVs are needed, and we will build them, we will improve and bring them to mind. THOSE. to a highly intelligent level aboard reusable machines. Disposable drones with artificial intelligence onboard in our fleet since 1974 year. Starting from Basalt, our CRs have solved the tasks of target distribution, VZOI, jamming, removal of missiles to false targets, etc. But these were disposable machines, not reusable ones. For example, Amer’s Tomahawks are able to barrage over the area of ​​military use, looking for a target whose signature is embedded in the memory of the on-board computer. The Israelis from intelligence and Central Command switched to the combat use of their UAVs, hanging them with a warhead. TLV-target identification, command to capture, and then - CR with TLV GOS.
    Instead of the Predator, the Americans developed the Reaper - a new generation of UAVs. It is a drone already with 14 suspension points, optoelectronic and thermal imaging detection systems, a laser control system and target illumination. There is only one goal: when deciding the knowledge base, do not risk l / s.
    I believe that our UAVs battlefields will fight with enemy tanks, participate in air defense breakthroughs, strike at enemy targets with strong anti-aircraft defense, conduct reconnaissance and issue command and control units in real time, etc. In short, these little birds definitely have a future. And we urgently need to catch up with those who have gone ahead. Behind the lagging!
    1. Noni4
      Noni4 5 May 2013 21: 08 New
      -1
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      I believe that our battlefield UAVs will fight with enemy tanks, participate in air defense breakthroughs, strike at enemy targets with strong anti-aircraft defense, conduct reconnaissance, and issue control missions in real time and so on.

      Where are they?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 5 May 2013 21: 19 New
        +1
        Will be. Work is underway, there is money and other resources in the industry.
  24. AvadaCedavra
    AvadaCedavra 5 May 2013 21: 02 New
    -1
    Quote: smile
    smile


    Please respect strangers. But, in the alleys, basements and dens where your childhood passed, such a thing as a culture of communication is not taught. Typical cattle behavior ...
    As for the nonsense that you wrote, the rights of sexual minorities are enshrined in the constitution of all developed countries, including the Russian Federation (sexual freedom). Saudi Arabia and other countries whose legislation is based on Sharia - a priori, cannot be civilized. They are still suffering. Till. Do not touch Georgia, because Respect for integrity is the right of any sovereign state and Russia's military intervention, a flagrant fact condemned by the UN. Intervene NATO, would drive the Russian troops from Georgia with pissed rags. By the way, Abkhazia, as a sovereign state, except for the Russian Federation recognized only 5 banana republics. That says a lot. Any developed country must support the desire of the United States, as the global guarantor of democracy, to overthrow tyrants and destroy totalitarian regimes, albeit with little blood. The tree of freedom needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots ... and tyrants. Material assistance provided by the USA to Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries is several billion dollars a year. And this is only money, I won’t talk about the rest (equipment, materials, etc.), “google” if you want. Tearing up stomachs, severed heads, selling organs, and other horrors invented by scribes from the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda, I will leave without comment, too authoritative source. You still refer to the program “Military Secret” :))). Although, to whom I explain this, it is already clear to smart people, but I advise you to go to the porch, continue to drink beer with homies, husk seeds, talk about the greatness of Russia and the insidious plans of NATO. :))) After all, stupid is your target audience.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 5 May 2013 21: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: AvadaCedavra
      and Russian military intervention, a blatant fact denounced by the UN.

      A glaring fact is a violation of the Dagomys Agreements. A glaring fact is an attack on the status of peacekeepers of military personnel of a foreign country, which is a clear act of aggression by Georgia.
      Well, about "Condemnation" - I will leave your lies on your conscience.
    2. smile
      smile 5 May 2013 23: 40 New
      0
      AvadaCedavra
      Thanks for answering..
      Well, about my childhood, you yourself don’t believe in what you wrote, so I won’t comment ... it’s not even funny ...
      I don’t really want to talk about the rights of minorities either ...... it’s ridiculous to write about it, reluctance to swear ...... well, that’s why muddy the water .....
      In principle, as for the countries that use Sharia ... - who are their allies, the main and only ... can you tell? .. aren't they the ones that support the bloody snowstorm artificially created in Syria at the moment ... for all my dislike of Sharia, blood is screaming .... well, you know them .... it’s pouring not only where Sharia, Adathes are being introduced ....
      I generally mentioned about the Saudis. because Qatar, Bahrain and others like them are the closest allies of the United States so dear to you .... about the rights of different complex (with the help of neighbors without silver pieces) states to organize genocide .... well ... I don’t like it, you, to see. just right ....- very question ... if you believe that it is possible and necessary for people to kill people according to ethnic principles for democracy - I won’t argue with you ... why?
      And if NATO’s troops intervened in Georgia .... well, either we would have had nuclear Armandedon, or we, having buried a small part of those who had intervened. would have to feed the rest of the prisoners now - well, as always ...... would have to capture all of Georgia ... no, this is not difficult, but at the same time would have to feed all of Georgia .... why do we need this? So they didn’t capture ... all the more so because it was something to capture, go on a tank, but calm timid Georgians .....
      Further .... the bodies of the Serbs in Kosovo are the book of Carla del Ponta .... well, there was not enough data from our special services (they were also spoken, but it did not fit into the picture) .. basically, Karl, who ignored everything information on this subject when it was at the helm would be worth hanging on a kukan, as an accomplice ... but no ... now he writes books in retirement ... how are they all .... whether - be proud! it's you ..... though, see. do you like it.....
      Don’t broadcast about financial aid to the stolen USA with country partners ... we’re not wild farmers, even laziness to take you to the open ....
      the last phrase is ... I would call my friend or buddy so ... and then I agree with you - stupid, your target audience ...
      and more ... did you see a whole ball of gut the size of a head crawl out of a small hole in a man’s stomach? ... And I saw that the man was ours - an ordinary civilian, an elderly Chechen. freedom, and it was we, Mlyn, the bloody gebnya who saved him ... and he, unfortunately, died three days later from peritonitis .... and all this is a merit of you, your followers, colleagues and owners ... and you Komsomol member do not drag into this business ... although it has recently become yellowish, but on this subject there, in basing, everyone writes correctly ....
  25. Noni4
    Noni4 5 May 2013 21: 07 New
    -3
    The article is one-sided and miserable for the cheers of the patriots, who are 95% here. They can’t make a drone of such a level, they start to pour dirt that they are not humane. And in general, some kind of yellowish resource
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 5 May 2013 21: 18 New
      +3
      Your untruth. In the world, two countries are actively using drones. USA and Israel. Have you noticed that the article does not say anything about the latter? So what is being discussed here is by no means drones. And the American decision-making system for hitting targets. Which bears a resemblance to a rabid dog, it attacks everything in sight.

      I understand that it is easier to call an article "squalid" and "one-sided". It's harder to think, isn't it
    2. SANAY
      SANAY 5 May 2013 21: 18 New
      +1
      And you know, yes - we actually have more patriots than our enemies would like. It's just that our people are silent for the time being. The term "hurray patriots" is offensive. We have listened to you and do not offend.
  26. nikkon09
    nikkon09 5 May 2013 22: 34 New
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    But let's get it right - UAVs are just a link in the chain of such a complex machine as the army. The US Army is successfully using them but their victories are still over a weak adversary. Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan are not that level of course, but they’re adding experience to the NATO troops. But I’m our warriors I don’t think I’m fools and I won’t be surprised that some of their achievements are applied by our army.
  27. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 5 May 2013 22: 51 New
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    So Syria needs to use drones, destroying bandits not only in their own land, but also in Turkish and Israeli territories.
  28. tixon444
    tixon444 5 May 2013 23: 04 New
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    Quote: baltika-18
    Quote: svp67
    Of course, the fact that children are dying, and just innocent people, is bad, very bad

    Yes ..... But if, frankly, I don’t feel sorry for the Americans, nor the Afghans, nor the Pakistanis, nor any others. All of them are potential opponents, and let them mutuate each other for health.

    UAVs are being tested and upgraded at those training grounds, but Russia could become a battlefield ... And if these drones become hundreds, thousands?
  29. komsomolets
    komsomolets 5 May 2013 23: 50 New
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    We are not people for them, so two-legged creatures smacking the sky for nothing, it’s time to already comprehend this fact and the more drone strikes fall under theirs, the better for them. the planet.
  30. rpek32
    rpek32 5 May 2013 23: 53 New
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    "Death from heaven", "flying killers", other titles from the yellow press. What does the piece of iron have to do with it? Ask the operators, and those who give them orders. It's the same as calling an AK a killer.
  31. individual
    individual 6 May 2013 00: 07 New
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    The material of the observer of the resource nstarikov.ru, Elena Fedotova, dedicated to the “unmanned death” under a star-striped flag, does not tell anything new in the vision of the bestial image of the modern confrontation in the armed forces and types of weapons of all countries without exception, caring for their sovereignty. Any breakthrough idea of ​​a method of destroying their own kind - forces the counterparts to urgently create something similar. This process does not depend on treaties and promises of the destruction or reduction of armaments. Such is human nature, such are social relations. Each of the free will seeks to protect itself and for frequent - the price does not stand.
  32. tixon444
    tixon444 6 May 2013 22: 33 New
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    Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
    Interesting ? Where did you fight with them? Enlighten the darkness ... from personal experience ...

    Korea, Vietnam - tell me where it was and when it was?