Mikhail Drozdovsky's Civil War

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Mikhail Drozdovsky's Civil War


В previous article We discussed M. M. Drozdovsky's origins and his service in the Tsarist army, the formation of the "Corps of Russian Volunteers," and preparations for the campaign on the Don. Today, we'll continue this story.



The Road to the Don


Drozdovsky's "volunteers" set out on their campaign from Dubossary on March 20, 1918.

On April 8, they were joined by Colonel Mikhail Zhebrak's detachment, which consisted of 130 men from the 2nd Naval Regiment of the Separate Baltic Naval Division. Drozdovsky's corps was also reinforced in Berdyansk and Melitopol, where it was joined by another 70 men each. Another 50 or so joined in the vicinity of Taganrog, and up to 40 in Kakhovka. Twelve men abandoned the detachment. Lieutenant Popov was expelled for fleeing during the battle, abandoning another officer, Prince Shakhovsky. A certain Zorich was executed for robbery. The campaign lasted two months: 45 days of travel and 15 "dnevki" (rest stops).

Drozdovsky wrote in his diary:

We have a strange relationship with the Germans: strictly recognized allies, assistance, strict correctness, in clashes with the Ukrainians - always on our side.

Here's what he writes about Ukrainians:

With the Ukrainians... the relationship is disgusting... An unbridled gang, trying to hurt... Some were beaten - then they calmed down: boors, slaves... They are treated with nothing but contempt, as renegades and unbridled gangs.

In general, the Drozdovites tried to avoid clashes with both of them, and only entered into battle as a last resort.

Local residents greeted the Drozdovites with distrust, unsure of their identity. Some mistook them for Austrians in disguise, others considered them "bourgeois hired by landlords to extort land from the peasants," and sometimes even Reds. One local Bolshevik newspaper reported that the unknown detachment included Nicholas II in disguise—and this news pleased no one: the last emperor was unpopular, so the report was a "black PR stunt" by the Reds. In the village of Vossiyatskoye (now part of the Mykolaiv Oblast of Ukraine), peasants attacked car drivers, killing one officer and wounding three. Several local children who happened to be nearby were killed in the fighting.

Meanwhile, news arrived from the Don that the Whites had abandoned Rostov-on-Don, Kornilov had been killed, the Volunteer Army was in dire straits, and even its current location was unknown. Fearing the demoralization of his subordinates, Drozdovsky said nothing.

Finally, on May 3, 1918, the Drozdovites, having bypassed Taganrog, occupied by the German army, approached and closed in on Red-occupied Rostov-on-Don. They entered the city, but were forced to retreat the following day, having lost up to 100 men, including their chief of staff, Colonel M. Voynalovich. V. Antonov-Ovseenko reports:

Drozdovsky abandoned six guns, up to 70 machine guns, and up to 100 carts loaded with military equipment on the battlefield… Our forces chased them another 20 miles from the city. The Drozdovsky headquarters office was captured, along with two large crates containing St. George's crosses, medals, and other valuables.

However, the alarmed Reds sent a large detachment from Novocherkassk to Rostov. As a result, on May 6, the city was captured by the Cossacks of Colonel S. Denisov, who appealed to Drozdovsky for assistance. Through joint efforts, the city was successfully defended. And here is the result (according to a White Guard who took part in those events):

When on April 23 (old style) the Bolsheviks were finally driven out of Novocherkassk, I was elected a member of the Don Defense Court. Here a pleasant activity began for me: to see Bolshevik commissars and all the other abominations before me every day and to put little crosses in front of them. The harvest was quite good: Every evening, in addition to the trial, they dealt with captured "comrades." Sometimes they killed 100, sometimes 300; in one night, even 500 people were liquidated at once. And they did it this way: 50 people dig a common grave for themselves, then they are shot; the other 50 bury it, and next to it they dig graves for themselves. But there are so many of them that now turn the Red Army into slaves.

These are the "liberators".

Completion of the Iasi-Don campaign


On May 27 (June 9), 1918, in the village of Mechetinskaya, Drozdovsky's detachment joined up with the remnants of the Volunteer Army, defeated during the First Kuban ("Ice") Campaign and now commanded by A. Denikin. However, Drozdovsky refused to join forces with Ataman Krasnov's Don Army.

Drozdovsky's Russian Volunteer Corps became the 3rd Division of the Armed Forces of South Russia (AFSR). It included the Second Officers' Rifle Regiment, the Second Officers' Cavalry Regiment, an engineering company, artillery A battery and a howitzer platoon. Drozdovsky tried to appoint participants in the transition from Iasi to command positions.

In December 1918, a special medal was established, awarded to the Drozdovsky Corps. Colonel Turkul also commissioned the "March of the Drozdovsky Regiment" from composer Dmitry Pokrass, who hadn't actually served with the Whites, but worked at the Rostov variety theater "Crooked Jimmy." The lyrics for this march were written by Colonel P. Batorin, and it was first performed on June 29, 1919, in Kharkov, at a banquet celebrating the capture of that city.

The march had a huge number of lyrics, but the most famous, of course, is "Through the Valleys and the Hills": as Luther said, "One should not give all the beautiful melodies to the devil." But let's look at the lyrics written by Batorin:

From Romania by hike
The glorious Drozdovsky regiment was marching,
For the salvation of the people
Fulfilling a heavy duty.
General Drozdovsky proudly
He walked forward with his regiment.
As a hero, he believed firmly,
That he will save the Motherland.
The Drozdovites walked with a firm step,
The enemy fled under the onslaught
And with a three-color Russian flag
The regiment gained glory for himself.

I don’t know how Colonel Batorin fared in terms of military talent, but he certainly didn’t have a poetic gift.
Let us recall that Dmitry Pokrass's elder brother, Samuil, wrote another famous march (of the Red Army):

White Army, Black Baron,
They are preparing a royal throne for us again
— Do you remember?
Dmitry Pokrass later became a People's Artist of the USSR, a Stalin Prize laureate, and the author of a number of iconic Soviet songs (some co-written with his younger brother, Daniil). Among them: "Budyonny's March" ("We, the Red Cavalrymen"), "Moscow in May" ("The morning paints the walls of the ancient Kremlin with a gentle light"), "Komsomolskaya Proshlyannaya" ("The order is given: he - to the west, she - in the other direction"), "March of the Tankers" ("The armor is strong and Tanks ours are fast”), “The Fighting Year of the 18th” (“Along the military road, the fighting year of the eighteenth went in struggle and anxiety”), “Three Tankers” (“Clouds are moving gloomily on the border”), “Cossacks in Berlin” (“Horses were walking along the Berlin pavement to the watering hole”) and some others.


Dmitry Pokrass on the ship of the Northern fleet, 1944 city

White Knight



Colonel Drozdovsky

One often reads that Drozdovsky was called a "white knight." However, this is a late, apologetic characterization; in reality, Drozdovsky had a reputation as a punisher and hangman. And he himself was completely unashamed of this; here are the entries he left in his diary:

In this merciless struggle for life, I will become equal to this terrible animal law - to live with wolves.

Drozdovsky's actions did not differ from his words.

There is a well-known case of his revenge in the village of Vladimirovka, where Drozdovsky officers were shot, and, according to Drozdovsky himself:

When these officers were led away, even the Red Guards did not want to shoot them, but this was what the peasants and women demanded... and even the children.

How do you like this attitude of the people towards the white “liberators”?

Drozdovsky then describes the punitive action:

March 22 (1918) Vladimirovka... They burned down houses, cruelly flogged all men under 45 years old... Then the residents were ordered to bring all the best cattle, pigs, poultry, fodder and grain for the entire detachment for free, all the best horses were taken; all this was brought to us until nightfall... There was a continuous howl in the village... A total of 24 people were exterminated.

Let us quote Drozdovsky’s diary again: (entry from April 15, 1918):

"I arrived in the town of Akimovka... The prisoners were sent to Semyonov's headquarters for sorting. A total of 40 people were killed at the station... There were about 150 people on the train—meaning, counting the prisoners, almost no one escaped."

Here is what Melitopolsky reports about this massacre: historical website:

On April 15 (2), 1918, at the Akimovka station, near Melitopol, a tragedy occurred when a technical detachment of Poltava track workers ran into an officer’s cavalry squadron, which shot about 180 railway workers.

Entry from April 7:

In Melitopol... 42 Bolsheviks were caught and liquidated.

On April 10 (23), 1918, the Drozdovites shot 16 members of the first Nogai Council.

This is how the White Guard General Ivan Belyaev recalled the reprisals against the Drozdovites:

As I emerged through the gate, I came across a group of young officers hurrying toward the station, rifles in hand. Drozdovsky himself, wearing a white cap and a white band, walked ahead, excitedly loading his rifle as he walked.
"Where are you going?" I asked one of the officers chasing me, perplexed.
"To the station!" he replied as he walked. "They've rounded up captured Red Army soldiers there. We'll shoot them, and drag the young people in..."
An old woman, distraught with grief, ran after them.
“My son,” she begged. “Give me my son!”

And on April 15 (28), 1918, Drozdovsky writes with surprise:

The population of Mariupol and our villages are of the Bolshevik type, the masses are against us... The intelligentsia, of course, is for it, but there are few of them.

Really, what more do these "masses" want? Are they not given enough ramrods? Apparently, to win the people's love, they need to hang and shoot even more?

Even the top leaders of the Armed Forces of South Russia soon began to regard Drozdovsky as an extremely problematic commander, whose cruelty was doing the White movement more harm than good. Drozdovsky's caveman monarchism also irritated everyone: no one in Russia wanted the Romanovs to return, and the very word "monarchist" was often used as an insult at the time on both sides of the front. Intelligent monarchists understood this; V. Kappel, for example, said:

To talk about the monarchy now is only to harm it.

And Denikin wrote:

Officers of the Volunteer Army preferred to conceal their political views, or at least not to publicize them. It was believed that political strife would destroy the White movement. Which, in fact, is what partially happened.

There is a clear allusion here to Drozdovsky.

Drozdovsky's ego was simply off the charts. Having come into direct conflict with Romanovsky, Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces of Southern Russia, he wrote to Denikin:

By the time my detachment joined the Volunteer Army, its condition was extremely grave... Considering not only the numbers, but also the technical equipment and supplies of the detachment, it can be safely said that it was equal in strength to the army... The Volunteer Army owes such a major reinforcement to me alone.… From various people… I received proposals not to join the army, which was considered dying, but to replace it… The joining of my detachment made it possible to begin an offensive that opened an era of victory for the army.

Denikin, who disliked this arrogant colonel, promoted him to major general only after receiving news of the wounded Drozdovsky's hopeless condition. In the army, there was even talk that Professor Plotkin had been ordered to "treat him incorrectly" by I. Romanovsky, Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces of Southern Russia.

The death of M. Drozdovsky


On June 9-10 (22-23), 1918, the White Guards launched the Second Kuban Campaign, during which they occupied the Kuban region with Yekaterinodar, the Black Sea region, and part of the Stavropol Governorate. The decisive battle of the entire campaign was the Battle of Stavropol, which lasted 28 days and ended with the Whites capturing Stavropol, but resulted in heavy losses. The Red commanders – Ivan Sorokin, Epifan Kovtyukh, and Ivan Matveyev – performed admirably. Particularly impressive was the stubborn resistance of Matveyev and Kovtyukh's Taman Army (which carried 25 refugees) and its famous march to join Sorokin's army – the very same "Iron Stream" described in A.S. Serafimovich's novel.


G. Savitsky, "The Campaign of the Red Taman Army," painted in 1933

And Denikin wrote about Sorokin already in exile:

The entire plan demonstrates great courage and skill. I don't know whose—Sorokin's or his staff's. But if the ideological leadership in strategy and tactics during the North Caucasus War belonged to Sorokin himself, then in this self-taught paramedic, Soviet Russia lost a major military leader.

We will discuss Ivan Sorokin, whose star shone brightly in Kuban and the North Caucasus in 1918, and the tragic death of this controversial but extraordinary man in the following articles.

A foot wound he sustained on October 31, 1918, near the Stavropol Convent of Stavropol (now part of the city) proved fatal for Drozdovsky. There were no clean bandages in the Second Officers' Regiment's hospital, so they had to boil the used ones. Drozdovsky was taken to Yekaterinodar, where hospital conditions were better, but the wound became infected, gangrene set in, and symptoms of sepsis appeared. The newly appointed general died on January 1 (14), 1919.

Ironically, it was Denikin who called Drozdovsky a "white knight," although he, to put it mildly, disliked him greatly and sided with his chief of staff in his conflict with Romanovsky. Upon receiving the long-awaited news of Drozdovsky's death, the commander-in-chief joyfully wrote in his obituary:

High selflessness, devotion to his ideal, and complete disdain for personal danger were combined in him with a heartfelt concern for his subordinates, whose lives he always placed above his own. May your ashes rest in peace, knight without fear or reproach.

In fact, the dead Drozdovsky was more convenient for the White Army than the living one: he no longer hanged or shot people, he no longer made stupid pro-monarchist statements that caused harm, and it was possible to talk about his supposed nobility.

To flatter Drozdovsky's former subordinates, the 2nd Officers' Regiment—one of the "colored regiments" of the Volunteer Army—was named after him. They received this strange name for their colored caps, shoulder straps, sleeve insignia, and chevrons. Other "colored" units were the "Alekseyevites," "Markovites," and "Kornilovites."


Drozdovtsy ('thrushes') in a drawing by an unknown artist, circa 1919.


Regimental badge of the Drozdovsky Rifle Regiment

This regiment was deployed into the Drozdovskaya (General Drozdovsky's Rifle) Division. It also included an artillery brigade and an engineering company.


Drozdovites in Crimea, 1920


Tank "General Drozdovsky", 1919

The 2nd Officers' Cavalry Regiment of General Drozdovsky operated separately from the division. By the end of the civil war, the Drozdovsky Division had fought 650 battles, losing 15,000 men killed (including 4,500 officers) and 35,000 wounded. It all ended with evacuation from Crimea, a miserable existence in Gallipoli, and a life of poverty elsewhere. And for more than 17,000 White Russian émigrés, they also had to serve in the Wehrmacht-subordinate Russian Security Corps (White Cossacks served in other units), the remnants of which fled from the Red Army and Yugoslav partisans in April-May 1945 to the part of Austria occupied by the Americans and British.
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  1. +4
    5 January 2026 04: 24
    Thank you, Valery!

    We continue to remember those times, if only because of the music:

    - War is all transient. And music is forever!
    1. +5
      5 January 2026 07: 22
      We continue to remember those times, if only because of the music:
      Yeah, right. Soon, two blatantly opposed and... will catch up? Just a question: when will peace come to Russia? When will we start creating, and not endlessly helping *brotherly* nations? Isn't it time to think about ourselves... bully
      1. -18
        5 January 2026 10: 11
        Quote: ArchiPhil
        Soon two frankly opposite and?

        I welcome, Sergey!
        Drozdovsky fought for a united and indivisible Russia in THREE wars.
        The Reds sided with the aggressors in two wars, and in the Civil War they fought again to Give Russian Odessa and Nikolaev and the rest to Ukraine and other Kazakhs turning Russians into Ukrainians.

        There would be no SVO today without the crimes of the Reds against Russia.

        Are you for the Reds?
        Quote: ArchiPhil
        After all, we were brought up on the Red heroes

        And who are they, these red heroes of the Guards? The overwhelming majority are buried under an unknown bush with the brand of "enemy of the people"—the same ones from the article by Antonov Ovseenko, Kovtyukh, Chapaev's successor Kutyakov, and so on and so forth—they got what they fought for.

        Drozdovsky's detachment breathed new life into the Volunteer Army, which won many glorious victories, liberating Russian cities from the Red invaders.

        The soldiers loved the general. When the Volunteer Army retreated from Yekaterinodar in March 1920, a special detachment of Drozdov's men, knowing how the Reds treated the graves of White leaders, broke into Yekaterinodar, abandoned by the Armed Forces of South Russia, and removed the remains of General Staff Major General M.G. Drozdovsky and Colonel Tutsevich from the city, already captured by the Reds, so as not to leave them to be desecrated by the Reds. The remains were loaded onto transport in Novorossiysk and transported to Crimea.

        On the site of the Sevastopol city cemetery, on the graves, the Reds built a cinema and a dance floor.
        1. +10
          5 January 2026 11: 03
          Are you for the Reds?
          Andrey, with all due respect, but? Yes! I'm for the Reds!!! Why? I just don't like the very idea of ​​autocracy; I don't accept it, you know. There's no future, only degeneration. Examples? You know, don't deny it.
          1. -8
            5 January 2026 11: 25
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            I'm for the reds!!!

            You are for Ukrainian Sevastopol, Odessa, Donetsk, Mariupol, and others from Luhansk. Understood.
            But-it's not clear...
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            I just don't like the very idea of ​​autocracy, I don't accept it, you know.

            leave this monarchy alone...


            1. The 1918 Constitution managed to declare Russia a republic

            2. The Russian State, 1919, Declaration:

            On the day of the final defeat of the Bolsheviks, my first concern will be appointment of elections to the Constituent AssemblyThe election preparation commission is currently working quickly to establish the conditions and procedures for the elections. on the basis of universal suffrage. Recognizing our responsibility to this Constituent Assembly, I will transfer all power to him, so that he can determine the future fate of the state by his own free decision. In this I took an oath before the highest Russian court—the guardian of the law of our state. All my efforts are directed toward ending the civil war as quickly as possible by crushing Bolshevism and finally give the Russian people the opportunity for a truly free expression of will:

            What's wrong with you? I'll remind you that there weren't any during the Red elections; they were so feared they made you weep.
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            , but there is degeneration

            That's right - the degenerate Romanovs are at the top, and below are the non-degenerate Manyasha and Anyusha Ulyanovas.
            1. +7
              5 January 2026 11: 29
              Anyusha Ulyanova

              Andrey, with all due respect to you, I do not accept THIS!!! Don't do it, my friend, and neither do you nor I. Your answer really doesn't paint you in a good light.
              1. +8
                5 January 2026 11: 31
                You are for Ukrainian Sevastopol, Odessa, Yekaterinodar, Mariupol, and other Nikolaevs. Understood.
                Aha! And for Russian Königsberg! Laws were passed, no? Maybe we should forget about the empire? And try, but build a country, huh?
              2. -6
                5 January 2026 11: 36
                Quote: ArchiPhil
                I don't accept it. It's not necessary, my friend, neither is it necessary for you nor for me. Your answer

                I accept, I correct - in the photo are Maria and Anna Ulyanov (in the family they were called Manyasha and Anyusha, it's not me).

                And how about this, Sergey?

                Quote: ArchiPhil
                I'm for the reds!!!

                You are for Ukrainian Sevastopol, Odessa, Donetsk, Mariupol, and other Luhansk cities. Understood.
                But-it's not clear...
                1. +3
                  5 January 2026 11: 39
                  и
                  Not in my heart, especially about Odessa, but???? It wasn't you and I who decided.
                  1. +4
                    5 January 2026 11: 40
                    Odessa, n
                    My uncle fought there!
                  2. -11
                    5 January 2026 11: 48
                    Quote: ArchiPhil
                    Not in my heart, especially about Odessa, but???? It wasn't you and I who decided

                    The Reds, for whom you are, decided this, and this is what they fought with the Whites for.

                    Moreover, contrary to the will of the Odessans, the OR and the Donetsk residents were handed over to the DKR, just like Sevastopol - like a potato.

                    What don't you like about the Duma of 1921, which was elected in universal, equal, secret, direct and free elections?

                    Let me remind you once again: there were no elections under the Reds, except for a shameful farce.
                    1. +7
                      5 January 2026 11: 50
                      The Reds, for whom you are, decided this, and this is what they fought with the Whites for.
                      Andrey, forgive me, but they are...class...family to me! Yes! I am a proletarian!
                      1. -2
                        5 January 2026 12: 00
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        Andrey, forgive me, but they are...class...family to me! Yes! I am a proletarian!

                        I have a class kinship with the Russian people, deprived by the Reds in Odessa of Russian monuments, cultural history, stuffed with Shevchenkos and other forests, which were not even smelled of there.
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        Yes! I am a proletarian!

                        You are an engineer.
                        My ancestors are peasants and townspeople.
                      2. +9
                        5 January 2026 16: 21
                        You are an engineer
                        I'm a worker!!! Even if I'm a boss! hi I'm proud of it, yes!
                      3. 0
                        5 January 2026 18: 35
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        I'm a worker!!! Even if I'm a boss!

                        The boss doesn't work with his hands like a worker. There's nothing wrong with that.
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        I'm proud of it, yes!

                        Are there any jobs that you should be ashamed of?
                      4. +2
                        9 January 2026 13: 07
                        the boss doesn't work with his hands like
                        Of course I work. Who else but us???
                    2. +10
                      5 January 2026 13: 38
                      My father liberated the Soviet city of Zaporizhzhia. And now the Drozdovites are in power, adjusted for the 21st century.
                      And by the way, I see a comment below: are you Olgovich, one of the counts?
                      1. +1
                        5 January 2026 13: 55
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        My father liberated the Soviet city of Zaporizhzhia

                        Ukrainian city, see the constitution of the ussr, former Russian .Alexandrovsk.
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        And are you Olgovich from the counts?

                        from peasants
                      2. +1
                        6 January 2026 13: 46
                        The Soviet city of Zaporizhzhia, which was part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, the territory of which is now temporarily occupied by the fascist Ukrainian Reich.
                        And the city of Zaporizhzhia is a sister city of my hometown, about which I learned poems in Soviet school, written by V.V. Mayakovsky.
                      3. -4
                        6 January 2026 15: 19
                        Quote: Grencer81
                        The Soviet city of Zaporizhzhia
                        Follow our Constitution of the Ukrainian SSRah, WHOSE former Aleksandrovsk is this?

                        Who gave you permission to cut it off from Russia?
                      4. +1
                        6 January 2026 16: 29
                        Once again, for those with a pot on their heads, Zaporizhzhia is the regional center of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, the territory of which is temporarily occupied by your fascist Ukroreikh.
                        The Ukrainian SSR is part of the Soviet Union, a country that was destroyed by people like you...
                      5. -3
                        6 January 2026 19: 45
                        Quote: Grencer81
                        Once again, for those who have a saucepan on their head, Z

                        I mean, I'll repeat for you, Zaporizhzhia, the regional center Ukrainian Republics, again it didn't come to the UKRAINIAN Republic, unlawfully cut off from Russia by you Russophobes
                        Quote: Grencer81
                        the territory of which is temporarily occupied by your fascist Ukrainian Reich

                        Before you, Russophobes, there was no trace of Ukraine there, it was RUSSIAN Aleksandrovsk and would still be Russian if you Russophobes hadn't handed it and Novorossiya over to Ukraine in 1918-20.

                        WHO gave you the right to commit these crimes against Russia? Are you silent? Be silent.
                        Quote: Grencer81
                        The Soviet Union, a country that was destroyed by people like you.

                        Your structure was built by you in such a way that it collapsed on its own, or rather due to your carelessness, leaving behind the abscesses of the outskirts that YOU created.
                      6. 0
                        6 January 2026 19: 47
                        The regional center of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, temporarily occupied by your fascist Ukroreikh. The Ukrainian SSR is part of the Soviet Union, which has always been and remains a thorn in your side for you fascists.
                      7. -1
                        6 January 2026 19: 50
                        Quote: Grencer81
                        Regional center Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic

                        fool WHY NOT RUSSIA? WHO gave you Russophobes the right to cut it off from Russia and turn it into Ukraine?
                      8. 0
                        6 January 2026 19: 52
                        The right of peoples to self-determination, enshrined in the UN Declaration of Human Rights...
                      9. -3
                        6 January 2026 19: 58
                        in...918? lol fool And WHERE did you ask Novorossiya to choose the USSR? fool Never.

                        and here The DKR itself chose RUSSIAAnd you, Russophobes, shoved it into the USSR, destroying its entire leadership.
                      10. -1
                        7 January 2026 09: 11
                        Olenka, stop being hysterical and get your brain out of 1913. You can't change the past, no matter how hysterical you are, live in the present.
                      11. -3
                        7 January 2026 11: 28
                        Quote: Grencer81
                        in the beginning.

                        In the present, Vladik, they are raking up your crimes against Russia from 1918 to 1954.
                      12. -1
                        7 January 2026 13: 13
                        Olya, it was a crime for the Whites to unleash a civil war...And it is a crime to justify the Whites' crimes against Russia.
                      13. -2
                        8 January 2026 13: 38
                        Quote: Grencer81
                        It was a crime for the whites to start a civil war

                        Before your VOR, there was no GV. Your VOR brought GV—read on, read your own SNK tebils!

                        The CRIME against Russia is the nationalities you created abscesses in place of RUSSIAN Odessa.

                        Just get this into your head: the Wild Field was conquered by RUSSIA, Russia founded the cities there, Russia built them, Russia populated them, Novorossiya NEVER broke away from Russia and only you, Russophobes, raped her into Ukraine, turning Russians into non-Russians.

                        And yet conscience has the power to justify a crime in general fool
                      14. -1
                        8 January 2026 17: 29
                        It's not true... The civil war has been going on since the time of Stepan Razin and Yemelyan Pugachev.
                        And the last time it was unleashed against Russia and its people by the Whites.
                      15. -2
                        9 January 2026 13: 40
                        Quote: Grencer81
                        It's not true... The civil war has been going on since the time of Stepan Razin and Yemelyan Pugachev.

                        belay fool
                        No, since the time of the Drevlians.

                        Learn WHAT is breastfeeding
                        Quote: Grencer81
                        And the last time it was unleashed against Russia and its people by the Whites

                        To your VOR -There was no breastfeeding. Your thief brought it.-read your Council of People's Commissars' Committees!

                        Go to school, on tebila ulyanova:
                        , to all the reproaches and accusations against us of terror, dictatorship, civil war, we say: yes, we openly proclaimedand something that no government could proclaim. The first government in the world that can talk openly about civil war, - there is a government of the workers, peasants and soldiers masses. Yes, we have started and are waging a war against the exploiters. The more directly we say this, the sooner this war will end.
                      16. 0
                        9 January 2026 19: 42
                        It already existed, since January 9, 1905.
              3. 0
                5 January 2026 16: 13
                Good evening, could you explain why you're speaking so politely to Olgovich? I understand politeness, and the very act of force is unacceptable, but this is a defeat; we need to punch him in the nose until he's bleeding.
                1. +5
                  5 January 2026 16: 18
                  Good evening, could you explain why you're speaking so politely to Olgovich? I understand.
                  Good evening to you! How could it be otherwise? Andrey and I aren't really enemies, just opponents. That's all. I dare say that Andrey is an excellent conversationalist; you didn't notice, right?
                  You have to hit him in the nose until the snot turns red.
                  This remains in hockey, please. hi I love friends. hi
                  1. 0
                    5 January 2026 16: 20
                    Thanks for the reply. It's understandable that there are opponents, but don't be soft-hearted; people like this might get stabbed.
                    1. +3
                      5 January 2026 16: 22
                      like this one, there will be a chance to stick a knife in
                      No, Andrey, he's a very good conversationalist! And why would he be? We're far from enemies.
                      1. +1
                        5 January 2026 19: 17
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        like this one, there will be a chance to stick a knife in

                        lol laughing
                        Sergey, I have deep sympathy for you because you honest, decent, open, inquisitive, witty, you have the best country in the world.

                        And honesty and integrity always lead in the right direction.
                    2. +5
                      5 January 2026 16: 29
                      the possibility of a knife being stuck in.
                      People like Tatra are scarier. Why? Only she can vulgarize and humiliate the idea of ​​communism like that. Let me explain. Sometimes, like many others, my granddaughter asks her grandfather, "Are communists such blockheads as Aunt Tatra?" (She's a well-mannered girl, I hope you appreciate that.) laughing ).And???What should I say? Therefore, I simply won't judge; we are all different, but the site is the same, and that's what's appealing, right? hi
                      1. -2
                        5 January 2026 17: 23
                        Well, yes, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people must all be raging AGAINST it. Each of you here has 90 to 99% of your comments AGAINST someone or something.
                      2. +2
                        5 January 2026 17: 27
                        90 to 99%
                        Sometimes I think you're definitely... alive? laughing
                  2. 0
                    6 January 2026 13: 50
                    In hockey, there are also serious penalties for "red snot"...
                    It's just a shame Beaver won't win a third Cup. He didn't even manage to bring home these two... They banned him, the bastards!!!
            2. 0
              5 January 2026 12: 41
              You are for Ukrainian Sevastopol, Odessa, Donetsk, Mariupol, and other Luhansk cities.

              No, it's you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, who are on their side. But under the Bolshevik-Communist regime, they were Soviet.
              It was YOU who divided the USSR into your evil anti-Soviet, Russophobic states, contrary to the will of the majority of voters in the referendum on preserving the USSR, and you yourselves acknowledged this as your crime, which is why for 35 years you have been cowardly blaming the communists for this, inventing a bunch of nonsense, like "the USSR collapsed on its own."
              What puppets of your anti-Soviet regime you are! You always support its actions, repeating all its cliches, manuals, and nonsense. And because of your evil mentality, you can't live without the "image of the enemy," which you hate with a passion, and your regime, starting with Gorbachev and the perestroika people, takes full advantage of this, pitting you against whomever it deems advantageous.
              1. -4
                5 January 2026 13: 04
                Quote: tatra
                under the Bolshevik-communist rule they were by soviet

                constitution Ussrov, read, don't lie:6
                Section 77. B Ukrainian The Soviet Socialist Republic has the following regions: Vinnytsia, Volyn, Voroshilovgrad, Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, Zhitomir, Transcarpathian, Zaporizhzhia, Ivano-Frankivsk, Kiev, Kirovograd, Crimea, Lviv, Nikolaev, Odessa, Poltava, Rivne, Sumy, Ternopil, Kharkov, Kherson, Khmelnytskyi, Cherkasy, Chernivtsi and Chernihiv.

                WHO gave you the right to tear Odessa and Sevastopol, etc., etc. away from Russia?
                Quote: tatra
                It was YOU who divided the USSR into your evil anti-Soviet-Russophobic States.

                Don't lie - you cut Russia: According to the Constitution of the USSR, a union republic was defined as sovereign state right exit
                1. -2
                  5 January 2026 13: 13
                  Enough lying already. The USSR was a unified country, and you, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, not only seized the USSR but also divided it into your 15 separate anti-Soviet, Russophobic states because you hate each other fiercely and didn't want to continue living in one large country, as the peoples had lived for centuries before your seizure of the USSR.
                  And just as you unleashed wars against the Soviet people, so after your capture and dismemberment of the USSR, you began to unleash wars among yourselves, selflessly killing each other.
                  And how did you YOURSELF divide the State you created? Well, into 8 federal districts and as many as 24 republics.
                  1. -3
                    5 January 2026 13: 38
                    Quote: tatra
                    Enough lying already. The USSR was a unified country, and you, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, not only seized the USSR, but also divided it into your 15 separate anti-Soviet, Russophobic states.

                    Learn the Constitution of the USSR - it's the Union sovereign states with the right of exit, but these Russophobic ones created state YOU from 1917 to 1954
                    1. -2
                      5 January 2026 13: 46
                      So, do you admit that it was YOU, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, who divided the USSR into YOUR states? Or is the Russian Federation not your state, not created by YOU—with your anti-Soviet government, system, economy, ideology, with your flag, coat of arms, and anthem?
                      Or do you want to discredit?
                      And AGAIN, stop lying, there were no such things in the USSR Constitution
                      Union of Sovereign States
                      1. -3
                        5 January 2026 14: 03
                        Quote: tatra
                        So, you admit that it was YOU, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, who divided the USSR into YOUR States?

                        lol these state created by you from 1917 to 1954 - RSFSR, USSR, BSS and other KSSR
                        Quote: tatra
                        And AGAIN, stop lying, there were no such things in the USSR Constitution
                        Union of Sovereign States

                        lol here, teach
                        Article 76. Union republic - sovereign state, which merged with others
                        Soviet republics in union
                        lol
                      2. +2
                        5 January 2026 14: 10
                        Yes, the USSR was originally created from three states. So what? Many countries in the world were created this way.
                        If the USSR had not been captured by the anti-Soviet-Russophobic clique, it would still exist today.
                        And YOU, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, dismembered our country not only after you captured the USSR, but also during the Civil War you unleashed, you dismembered the RSFSR and created your separate states - Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, the Ukrainian People's Republic, the Western Ukrainian People's Republic and others.
                        And the blame for this was AGAIN cowardly placed on the communists.
                      3. -3
                        5 January 2026 14: 19
                        Quote: tatra
                        , and created your separate States - Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, UPR,

                        Soviet Russia officially recognized independence of the Estonian Soviet Republic by the decree of the Council of People's Commissars of 7 Dec 1918, the same Lithuania and Latvia, the UPR - in general in December 1917
                      4. +1
                        5 January 2026 16: 37
                        и
                        Andrey, how I love your battles! It's just... CSKA vs. Spam, no. It's... Bruins vs. Montreal, honestly!!! Bravo!!!
                      5. +1
                        5 January 2026 17: 20
                        Thank you for confirming my words. The enemies of the Soviet people were mentally separatists throughout the Soviet period, and they dismembered the USSR as soon as Gorbachev "gave you freedom."
                      6. +3
                        5 January 2026 22: 51
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Soviet Russia officially recognized the independence of the Estonian Soviet Republic by the decree of the Council of People's Commissars of December 7, 1918, as did Lithuania and Latvia, and the Ukrainian People's Republic in December 1917.

                        And in 1940, as soon as the USSR gained strength and a favorable international position emerged, the independence of all the Baltic states was liquidated. Why don't you emphasize this fact, and the fact that the independence of the Baltic states was restored by Russophobes and anti-communists like Chubais, Gaidar, Korzhakov, and Yeltsin?
                      7. -3
                        6 January 2026 11: 08
                        Quote: gsev
                        And in 1940, as soon as the USSR became stronger and a favorable international position was established, the independence of all Baltic countries was liquidated.

                        The LSSR is a sovereign state with the right to secession - read the constitution of the USSR and the LSSR.

                        If the Russophobes of 1917-1940 had not created these sovereign states, there would be no one to leave!

                        WHO gave them the right to create all these MSSRs, KFSSRs?
                        NO ONE even asked!!!
                      8. +2
                        6 January 2026 20: 19
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        If the Russophobes of 1917-1940 had not created these sovereign states, there would be no one to leave!

                        There's always a tendency toward feudal fragmentation in any state. Anti-communists from Nevzorov to Khodorkovsky make no secret of their intentions to break up modern Russia into approximately five more states. Before his death, Boris Nemtsov officially received $30 million from the Americans to be transferred to American agents to overthrow Putin, but in reality, specifically to dismantle Russia.
                      9. -2
                        8 January 2026 13: 44
                        Quote: gsev
                        There is always a desire

                        You didn't answer, unfortunately
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        If the Russophobes of 1917-1940 had not created these sovereign states, there would be no one to leave!
                      10. 0
                        7 January 2026 06: 07
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        NO ONE even asked!!!

                        Maybe even in spite of it? fool
                      11. 0
                        7 January 2026 06: 05
                        And if they hadn’t recognized it, what would have happened?
                      12. -1
                        5 January 2026 16: 41
                        Union of Sovereign States
                        Irinushka, forgive me, but Andrey has washed you with facts. It happens. laughingEverything will be fine with you, believe me.
                  2. +3
                    6 January 2026 00: 07
                    It wasn't united at all. I remember being told as a child not to even pick pears from the neighbor's pear tree, because they'd scold me not for taking them, but for being a Russian child. This was Ukraine in the mid-80s. And not even Western Ukraine. They simply multiplied and began to spread further east under the "wise" Soviet leadership. If they had been under Russian rule, they would have been driven into their forests in the West, where they would have happily died out or moved to Poland, and the remnants would have later been assimilated. But with the Soviets, this is the crap - they're still struggling to get by. And would you have even asked for anything in Russian at the Lviv market in the 70s? Just yourself (without all those so-called comrades nearby). That would have been a joke. And you'd have been very lucky if the seller had just pretended to be deaf and dumb, yeah. What do you even know about the Soviet Union? You're talking nonsense. Some kind of theory from an office. It seems like no one ever showed their face further than Moscow in that Soviet Union, and if they did, it was on a party ticket, where the locals fawned over their comrades and pulled the wool over their eyes. And I won't even mention the Baltics. Did they live "on the ground" in Georgia? How many Georgians with money worked in production there? 1-5 percent, and that's only on paper? And the money was falling out of their pockets. But you get a sense of Moscow with its doctor's sausage and the disdain for all these "red" commuter trains. And you know what the worst thing about them was? The sausage was in every crevice under the seats, and I personally talked to the women who washed them of this rotten stuff. That's reality and poverty, which later sold everything for jeans and chewing gum. But to sell everything for this crap, they first had to be driven to that point.
                    1. +2
                      7 January 2026 13: 19
                      Before the arrival of the "reformers" led by M.S. Grobachev, we in Kuzbass lived no worse than in Moscow... Yes, jeans weren't 100 rubles like there, they were more expensive, but basically no worse. And there were no problems with sausage.
                      1. +1
                        7 January 2026 16: 12
                        But in Lipetsk, Ryazan, Kaluga, Tula, Orel, Novgorod (the Great), the Far East (Primorye), and the Urals (the Middle Urals), life wasn't just worse. There was absolutely nothing there... Especially sausage (just kidding, but still). And what do jeans have to do with it? They appeared in the markets later and were almost everywhere (though at exorbitant prices). But I wasn't in Kuzbass or Donbass at that time, but that's not the whole country, just parts of it. Life in the Baltics was also pretty good, Kharkov was awesome there too. Leningrad was great, but the Leningrad region and Karelia were atrocious. Again, compared to what? And this only made the situation worse.
                      2. 0
                        7 January 2026 16: 24
                        I served in the Far East, in Primorye, and in the Leningrad region in the 80s, and there was good sausage and not only sausage.
                      3. 0
                        11 January 2026 17: 04
                        Even in Primorye, a four-hour line for milk is normal—I personally stood there every weekend in the '80s. What sausage?! They had Iwashi herring, some other canned goods, birch and tomato juice. Did they even mention it at the specialty stores? Okay, I see.
                      4. 0
                        11 January 2026 17: 17
                        In regular stores in Nakhodka.
                      5. 0
                        11 January 2026 18: 35
                        Also Vladik and Artem, Ussuriysk, Kraskino, Pogranichny, Slavyanka, not to mention Sergeevka or Bamburovo. The whole Primorsky Krai. Moscow and Ryazan. Chelyabinsk Territory.
                      6. 0
                        11 January 2026 19: 29
                        Yes, yes, Grodekovo, Spassk-Dalny too... I've been on business trips there too...
        2. +10
          5 January 2026 12: 02
          And I remind those with fuzzy memories that the Drozdovskys, Denikins, Kolchaks, and other "heroes" hanged and executed not abstract aliens, but Russian peasants, primarily Russians, and other peoples of Russia—Tatars, Bashkirs, and so on—were no strangers to it. And so, for deciding they were human, the White "heroes" decided to kill them...
          1. -9
            5 January 2026 12: 12
            Quote: Grencer81
            And I remind some,

            And I will remind those who have a poor memory that the Trotskys, Bronsteins, Movshevichs, Sverdlovs, Apfelbaums and other Rosenfelds hanged and shot, took children and wives hostage, put them in concentration camps from 1917 to 1953 not abstract aliens, but Russian peasants, primarily Russians-For them they were nothing, brushwood for the worlds of revolution.
            1. +2
              5 January 2026 14: 16
              And should I remind you about the "Pale of Settlement" in the Russian Empire? Being a Jew in the Russian Empire meant being an Untermensch, except maybe they didn't have yellow stars sewn onto their clothes.
              1. +2
                5 January 2026 17: 26
                Well, many Jews lived well in the Russian Empire. For example, the Jew Simanovich was Rasputin's personal sectarian, and he wrote in his book that Jews gave Rasputin a fur coat worth 90 rubles.
                1. 0
                  6 January 2026 05: 18
                  But Jews could only hold government positions by converting to Orthodoxy.
                  1. 0
                    6 January 2026 11: 20
                    Quote: Grencer81
                    But Jews could only hold government positions by converting to Orthodoxy.

                    Could you please tell me in what year the founder of the Moscow Choral Synagogue, Actual State Councilor Horace Osipovich Ginzburg, converted to Orthodoxy?
              2. +5
                5 January 2026 19: 18
                Quote: Grencer81
                And about the "Pale of Settlement" in the Russian Empire

                It wasn't that this was a good thing, it was just that the same restrictions applied to people of the Jewish faith as to everyone else.
                By the way, it was not as difficult for Jews to circumvent these restrictions... as it was for Russian peasants.
                Quote: Grencer81
                To be a Jew in the Russian Empire meant to be an untermensch.

                Don't exaggerate. They studied well and made a career.
                However, if you believe the Jews themselves (at least some of them), they were not allowed to study even under Soviet rule.
                1. -1
                  6 January 2026 05: 18
                  Only if a Jew converted to Orthodoxy.
                  1. 0
                    6 January 2026 11: 15
                    Quote: Grencer81
                    Only if a Jew converted to Orthodoxy.

                    Nothing like that))
                    Converting to Christianity, and Orthodoxy isn't necessarily a choice; it's just one option. Protestantism was also considered. In fact, converts to Christianity mostly chose it.
                    But that's not all. The restrictions did not apply to those with higher education, those who had served in the military, artisans, pharmacists, and several other categories.
                    A Russian peasant, no matter what he did, remained a peasant.
                    In general, why don't I do what the author of this post usually does? That is, give an example and declare it the norm.
                    In this case, it would be the head of the Moscow (!!!) Jewish community, Privy Councilor Lazar Solomonovich Polyakov. He holds a total of eight Russian orders, and so on and so forth.
              3. -3
                5 January 2026 19: 33
                Quote: Grencer81
                And should I remind you about the "Pale of Settlement" in the Russian Empire?

                wife poke.

                And sigh for the 18 million dispossessed in the USSR, to whom you gave the Star of David in documents, depriving them of everything human
                1. 0
                  6 January 2026 05: 19
                  Why not 180 million disenfranchised? The more, the better...😂
                  1. -2
                    6 January 2026 11: 24
                    Quote: Grencer81
                    Why not 180 million dispossessed?

                    and the remaining 150 million were deprived by you of the right to FREEDOM of elections, speech, assembly, protest, parties, conscience, thought, knowledge, defense, enterprise - that which makes a person human
                    1. 0
                      6 January 2026 11: 55
                      And how did they live, poor things? How did they build, work, fall in love, get married, raise children and grandchildren?
                      But in Tsarist Russia they had all this, didn’t they?
                      1. -2
                        6 January 2026 12: 34
                        Quote: Grencer81
                        How did they build, work, fall in love, get married, raise and raise children and grandchildren?

                        We have wonderful, strong ancestors from the Russian Empire who even survived the comics—life went on.

                        But there were fewer and fewer children


                        Quote: Grencer81
                        But in Tsarist Russia they had all this, didn’t they?

                        Of course, and the Bolsheviks in the Duma and freedom of the press - I am amazed, reading the permitted magazines, and parties, and jury trials and trade, Faith, etc., which you have completely deprived PEOPLE of.
                      2. -2
                        6 January 2026 12: 47
                        This is already hysteria... Doctor! Rather Doctor!!!
                    2. VLR
                      +4
                      6 January 2026 12: 32
                      150 million people have been deprived by you of the right to FREEDOM of elections, speech, and assembly

                      Etc.
                      I used to talk a lot with war veterans and ask them about that time. And about their attitudes toward Khrushchev and Stalin. And, imagine, they had no idea that under Stalin they lived in a totalitarian society, where people were arrested for telling jokes, Black Marias drove through the streets, and people trembled with fear when they heard a knock on their door at night. Their first reaction to Khrushchev's speech was shock, then indignation. One old man said he went to the district party committee and threw his party card in the first secretary's face, saying, "I'm no longer a communist because Khrushchev defecated the party." The secretary bowed his head and said nothing. Grandfather wasn't arrested, wasn't fired from his job, wasn't taken off the housing waiting list, and his bonuses and sanatorium vouchers weren't cut off.
                      I knew and still know many people – from my studies, from work, and simply as neighbors. And what's interesting is that when they started giving benefits to the "repressed," only one of my acquaintances received them. So where are these Solzhenitsyn-esque "hundreds of millions"? This acquaintance's father was a kulak, and I highly doubt he was repressed illegally. It's entirely possible he walked around at night with a sawed-off shotgun and set fire to collective farm barns – which was often the case.
                      1. 0
                        6 January 2026 12: 57
                        Quote: VlR
                        I used to talk a lot with war veterans and ask them about that time.

                        The thing is, Gulag and communal apartment veterans lived very short lives and left very few children—so there's no one to ask, which is understandable. Many were simply afraid—oh, the fact that a relative was a dispossessed person—I only found out in 1988 that she children She didn't say anything! A family from near Pochep, nine people, six children, was thrown out into the taiga in winter—survive! She was the only one who survived—they bribed the guards who took her to the station... She served in WWII in the bathhouse, raised three children, but she first wrote to her homeland in 198 as a nobody...

                        Didn't people know? You should ask the residents of the House on the Embankment, the House of Specialists, the prison guards, and others where the entrances were sealed...

                        Grandma spoke of wild fear on the nights of 37-39. Many of her comrades were taken away, but she and her grandfather were not touched...

                        If you have time, read Belenky and Voitalovskaya. normal owl people, Kersnovskaya - this is already unusual...
                      2. 0
                        7 January 2026 06: 19
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You have no one to ask, this is understandable

                        If the situation at that time had been as it is now described, everyone would have known about the "wild fear." And there would never have been any stories like "never heard of it."
                      3. +2
                        6 January 2026 21: 33
                        AUTHOR: Drozdovtsy (blackbirds) in the picture unknown author,

                        Valery, author - Al. Karashuk. He is widely known in the genre of historical military illustrations.
              4. +2
                6 January 2026 00: 56
                Do you really think the Pale of Settlement was imposed out of anger and abject nationalism, and not for any other reasons? Or are you trying to show that? Or are you trying to show that even considering other reasons isn't worth it? That's brutal.
                1. +1
                  6 January 2026 05: 20
                  So name the reasons...
                  1. +3
                    6 January 2026 12: 37
                    Usury (this is primarily for the people), an alien mentality, suspicious connections and serious support from influential compatriots outside the empire and, in general, actions that undermine the foundations of the Orthodox state.
                    It's not really possible to deport them outside the empire's territory. After all, they weren't given to the country by their own free will. No one intended to commit genocide, either. So they made this unpopular decision.
                    In fact, there are plenty of negative examples in other countries (with variations, of course). These include reservations for Indians (USA) and the assimilation of the Ainu (Japan), or even the migration policies of some Arab countries today.
                    1. +1
                      6 January 2026 12: 52
                      Well, that is, in modern terms, "foreign agents"?
                      What a horror! Izya the tailor is sitting somewhere in Berdichev, sharpening the foundations of the Russian Empire!!!
                      1. +2
                        6 January 2026 13: 06
                        Judging by the speed and quality of the creation of over 300 combat squads at the right moment, he was just the right kind of "tailor." And the results, in the form of "Blumkin," "Trotsky," and so on, and most importantly, their actions, are clear. These are facts, and documented ones at that. By the way, wasn't Blumkin's name Izya? No, it was Yakov or Yasha, but we understand each other.
                      2. 0
                        6 January 2026 13: 53
                        The best name is Izyaslav... When necessary, you're Izya, when necessary, you're Slava... But the fighting squads weren't just made up of Izyas and Benyas...
                      3. +1
                        6 January 2026 18: 38
                        Absolutely right. It doesn't matter who was involved—after all, they were just rank-and-file contractors. More important are those who maintained connections to sources of funding and supplies. Because these sources themselves were practically unreachable for the then-Russian security forces. In general, fighting diasporas is a complex matter and requires unpopular decisions.
            2. +1
              6 January 2026 09: 09
              In the Novosibirsk region, more people died at the hands of the White Army than during the Great Patriotic War.
              1. -1
                6 January 2026 11: 38
                Quote: Alexey Koshkarov
                In the Novosibirsk region, more people died at the hands of the White Army than during the Great Patriotic War.

                1. There was no NSB region in 1919, provide sources for this lie.
                The region lost during the Great Patriotic War 180 thousand, the entire population of the city in 1919- 80 thousand people.

                2. because of the love for the Reds in 37-38
                In the Novosibirsk region, the “Siberian Committee of the POV,” the “Novosibirsk Trotskyist Organization in the Red Army,” the “Novosibirsk Trotskyist Terrorist Center,” the “Novosibirsk Fascist National Socialist Party of Germany,” the “Novosibirsk Latvian National Socialist Fascist Organization,” and another 33 "anti-Soviet" organizations and groups
                Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union
                ?
                1. +2
                  6 January 2026 22: 45
                  But in the regions of the future Novosibirsk Oblast and Altai Krai, Kolchak's executioners certainly didn't visit people with balloons and flowers. The White Army distinguished itself with widespread robbery and brutal, inhumane methods of exterminating dissent.
                  1. 0
                    7 January 2026 12: 58
                    Quote: Alexey Koshkarov
                    But by region

                    i.e. you lied about
                    Quote: Alexey Koshkarov
                    In the Novosibirsk region, more people died at the hands of the White Army than during the Great Patriotic War.

                    t.d.
                    1. +1
                      7 January 2026 16: 58
                      I may have made a slight mistake in the numbers once, but our beloved government pulls the wool over our eyes every day without a twinge of conscience. Let's just remember the May decrees. Not a single one has been fulfilled.
                2. +1
                  6 January 2026 22: 58
                  The current power structures proudly uphold the status of the tsarist officer-satraps. Some of them proudly call themselves the last White Guards. Under this type of governance, we see a drastic population decline, taking into account the influx of migrants. The official population decline is 500 per year. And the unofficial figure is even higher. 60 percent of the country's inhabitants are poor or destitute. Orphans awaiting housing number a quarter of a million. This is the result of the management of the White Guard-Vlasov regime.
                  1. -1
                    7 January 2026 11: 36
                    Quote: Alexey Koshkarov
                    This is the result of the management of the White Guard-Vlasov regime.

                    The result of the Red regime - the borders of the 17th century, the dying Non-Black Earth Region, the Russian Cross, first place in the world in alcohol consumption, marriages, divorces, suicides, and deaths.

                    Did you leave the youth behind so that there would be someone to give birth to?

                    Before you, Russia grew 1.5 times in 24 years, from 120 to 180 million.
                    1. +1
                      7 January 2026 11: 52
                      Soviet Russia saw steady growth in state wealth, living standards, and population growth. The path of development for modern Russia is a path to the abyss.
                    2. +1
                      7 January 2026 11: 55
                      And I didn't understand what 120 million. According to the most daring estimates, the current population of Russia is 95-100 million. And these figures are only decreasing.
            3. +1
              7 January 2026 06: 09
              Quote: Olgovich
              They hanged and shot people, took their children and wives hostage, and put them in concentration camps.

              This is exactly what the White Guards did. Who were the Russians to them?
      2. +6
        5 January 2026 11: 51
        *When will peace come to Russia? When will we begin to create, and not just constantly help, *brotherly* nations? Isn't it time to think about ourselves*...

        When the statists come to power in Russia... that's when.
        1. +2
          5 January 2026 11: 56
          the statists will come...that's when.
          There were. Primakov-Luzhkov. Now? I don't see it. At all.
          1. +2
            5 January 2026 11: 57
            *Now? I don't see it. At all.*

            Yes it is.
            1. +1
              5 January 2026 12: 00
              Yes it is
              By the way, isn't this the subject of the gray man's work?
              1. +4
                5 January 2026 12: 04
                Niccolo Machiavelli: "A ruler's mind is first judged by the kind of people he brings closer to himself."
          2. +5
            5 January 2026 14: 44
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            Luzhkov

            A statist? All he has left is real estate—something the tsars and White Guards couldn't even dream of.
            1. +1
              5 January 2026 15: 15
              All he has left is real estate - something that no tsar or White Guard could have even dreamed of.
              Reply
              Quote
              Who counted? Who? What is his name?
    2. +5
      5 January 2026 07: 35
      - War is all transient. And music is forever!
      After all, we were brought up on the Red heroes! It's probably time to talk about them, right?
      1. +7
        5 January 2026 08: 13
        Hello, Sergey!
        Quote: ArchiPhil
        - War is all transient. And music is forever!
        After all, we were brought up on the Red heroes! It's probably time to talk about them, right?

        We do know more about the Reds, but the current generation already has a fuzzy understanding of history. For example, four years ago, I helped my daughter gather information about Kornilov, then about the Soviet nomenklatura (the goal was to use Western sources). I wanted to meet with her history professor, but I declined. I did, however, speak with the head of the department, who turned out to be an old acquaintance of mine. We concluded that administrative resources were needed. The associate professor scribbled a mountain of complaints and fled to the Yeltsin Center…
        Quite an interesting story..., however, the incompetence of our children's teachers is already the talk of the town.
        1. +5
          5 January 2026 08: 53
          Yeltsin Center…
          Vladislav! Greetings from the bottom of my heart! Happy New Year! Honestly, I'm waiting for Russia to calm down with the Civil War. We've had enough of this fighting, enough! hi
        2. +3
          5 January 2026 09: 01
          This associate professor is definitely stupid. 😊
          But the thing is, most documents and memoirs abroad are concentrated in the Washington National Archives. And they don't care about the History of the British and British Empires. Much more can be found in our archives. And not only in the State Archives, but also in regional ones. I personally did this. The Yekaterinburg and Perm archives are especially rich.
          By the way... The works of Lenin and Stalin are most reliable in the first and second editions. Then they are revised.
        3. +10
          5 January 2026 09: 47
          However, the incompetence of our children's teachers is already a byword
          .
          Teachers? Thankfully, things are more or less okay with regular teachers. It's enough to recall the widespread nationwide outrage among the teaching corps, who were inundated with angry and incomprehensible letters from the Ministry of Education in 2001, when Russian schools first received Unified State Exam (USE) tests from the Federal Institute for Pedagogical Measurements (FIPI)—the official "author and compiler" of the USE exam questions. Afterward, school teachers began to have serious doubts about the professional competence of the FIPI test developers:
          THE BEGINNING OF WORLD WAR II:
          A- June 22, 1941
          B - May 9, 1941
          B- June 22, 1945
          G - May 9, 1945
  2. +6
    5 January 2026 05: 57
    Very interesting article, thank you, Valery!
  3. 0
    5 January 2026 07: 00
    And again, white. However... angry
    1. +8
      5 January 2026 10: 12
      What did you expect? The author's series is called "Faces of the Civil War," in which the Reds weren't fighting Martians, after all. So Valery describes the representatives of the opposing sides. The following articles will focus on the Red leaders of the Civil War.
      1. +3
        5 January 2026 10: 15
        What did you expect?
        I want breastfeeding to end. Simple and concrete.
    2. +3
      5 January 2026 10: 15
      Well, that's our story, whatever it may be. Speaking of music, this march was originally taken, or rather the melody, from the "March of the Siberian Riflemen."
      1. +3
        5 January 2026 10: 19
        Well, that's our story.
        Yes, but? Whites are the past, reds are the future. No?
        1. +7
          5 January 2026 10: 20
          Well, I see the present. And the return of this White Guardism. Yeah, I don't like it.
          1. +4
            5 January 2026 10: 23
            White Guardism. Yes, I don't like it.
            Me too. Who is to blame? Is there an answer?
            1. +5
              5 January 2026 10: 25
              Eternal Russian... My answer, and what to do, borders on extremism. At present. So I will remain silent.
            2. +3
              5 January 2026 10: 47
              - And I don’t like the return of this White Guardism.
              - Me too. Who's to blame? Is there an answer?

              Could it really be V. Ryzhov? belay laughing
              1. +2
                5 January 2026 11: 21
                V. Ryzhov?
                This isn't even funny. It doesn't pass. laughing
                1. +5
                  5 January 2026 11: 59
                  It's not funny at all, Sergey.
                  Indignant that the author's article in the "Faces of the Civil War" series is again about the Whites, you write that you don't like the return of this White Guardism and philosophically ask - Who is to blame?
                  So how am I supposed to understand you, when in your previous posts to this article you managed to conflate the Author's completely apolitical position toward his historical figures with the return of the White Guard. You're looking in the wrong place. You've really surprised me.
                  1. +3
                    5 January 2026 12: 05
                    The author is on the return of the White Guard. You're looking for witches in the wrong place. You've really surprised me.
                    Where did I write this???? I'm writing that the GV is long over and it's time... it would be nice to have peace, right?
                    1. +4
                      5 January 2026 12: 15
                      My opinion, Seryozha, is that the metastases (secondary foci) of that civil war will continue to linger in the minds of modern Russian society until there's a clear state ideology, which we abandoned with the collapse of the Soviet Union. A holy place abhors a vacuum. The law of energy exchange hasn't been abolished:
                      "If something has been lost somewhere, then something will be gained somewhere else."
                      1. -2
                        5 January 2026 14: 11
                        Quote: Richard
                        until there is a clear state ideology, which we ruined with the collapse of the Union

                        Greetings, Dmitry.

                        What kind of clear ideology was that, fucked up?
                      2. +3
                        5 January 2026 15: 36
                        What kind of clear ideology was that, fucked up?
                        And this Andrey in the poll!?!? Just like the fact that such a great country, boom!, fell apart! And now there are moans and cries about how we... were betrayed!!!! laughing
                      3. +3
                        5 January 2026 15: 45
                        state ideology, which we ruined with the collapse of the Union.
                        Ideologies, Dima??! Remember those Komsomol meetings, please? Is that just talk and chatter, no? Now? We need a revival, and that's the most important thing! A revival of the Russian ethnic group! This should become the national ideology! And? A task for the president!!!
                      4. +4
                        5 January 2026 17: 04
                        Talking and chattering

                        Any single party meeting, Seryozha, eventually devolves into formalism, empty debates, and boring chatter. In multi-party systems, this process happens much more quickly—for example, the Duma sessions, both at the beginning of the last century and now.
                        What kind of clear ideology was that, fucked up?

                        The unified state ideology of Russia, Alexander. The general principle of which was formulated by Count Sergei Semyonovich Uvarov (1786-1855), Minister of Public Education in the government of Emperor Nicholas I:
                        a united Fatherland, a single state synod of all traditional religions of Russia, autocracy. Patriotism.

                        Nicholas I personally changed the order of Uvarov's priorities to:
                        Faith, Tsar, Fatherland

                        but it worked, raising patriots of the country.
                        The Bolsheviks, when they came to power, also used Uvarov's principle, only replacing religion with Marxism-Leninism and the tsar with the Soviets. And it worked, too. I think few would dare doubt the patriotism of the Soviet people.
                        What about now? There is no single state ideology in the Russian Federation. This is enshrined in Article 13 of the Russian Constitution, which states that ideological diversity is recognized in the country and no single ideology may be established as the state ideology.
                      5. +4
                        5 January 2026 17: 07
                        to work
                        You're teaching me this, huh? Once again. The only thought for Russia is childbearing! Russia for Russians! Is that a verse?
                      6. +5
                        5 January 2026 17: 12
                        Dim! Honestly, I want to see the country... RUSSIAN! Is that clear? Yes.
                      7. +1
                        5 January 2026 19: 57
                        Quote: ArchiPhil
                        I want to see the country... RUSSIAN!

                        Before the VOR, Russia was a country of the RUSSIAN people with equal rights for all citizens.
                      8. +2
                        5 January 2026 19: 36
                        Good evening, dear colleague. hi
                        The thing is, in my unenlightened opinion, our national idea was formed a long time ago and, despite everything, shows no signs of changing. And this idea is that we live in a "Besieged Fortress."
                        Just as the monk Philotheus proclaimed that Moscow is the third Rome, and all around him there are people of non-traditional sexual orientation, so it continues.
                        At first, it was simply a "Beacon of Orthodoxy" against those of other faiths. Under Peter, there was a slight setback, but by the end of Catherine II's reign, we were a bulwark of conservatism against godless revolutionaries. And so it continued, with some nuances, right up until 1917.
                        Then everything seemed to change, but in the end, the essence is the same. The first state of workers and peasants surrounded by enemies!
                        Then came the short period of stagnation in the 90s, and here you are.
                        Russia is a stronghold of traditional values, opposing the soulless "Collective West"!
                        The content may seem different, but the essence is the same. request
                      9. +1
                        6 January 2026 11: 53
                        Quote: Senior Sailor
                        A stronghold of conservatism against godless revolutionaries

                        Happy New Year! hi
                        And how many of those revolutionaries were there? There are strongholds of conservatism all around—Prussia, Hungary, Spain, Turkey, and a lot of other little ones.
                        They wandered back and forth as much as they wanted and as much as they wanted.
                        Quote: Senior Sailor
                        1917.
                        Then everything seemed to change, but in the end, the essence is the same. The first state of workers and peasants surrounded by enemies!

                        here, yes, with all its might.
                        Quote: Senior Sailor
                        Russia is a stronghold of traditional values, opposing the soulless "Collective West"!

                        slogans, everything is simpler...
                      10. +1
                        6 January 2026 12: 04
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Happy New Year!

                        And you too hi
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And how many of those revolutionaries were there?

                        Well, as if there were enough Frenchmen for everyone))
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Around us are strongholds of conservatism - Prussia, Hungary, Spain, Turkey and many other small ones.

                        In 1848, all these strongholds almost collapsed.
                      11. -2
                        5 January 2026 19: 51
                        Quote: Richard
                        Faith, Tsar, Fatherland

                        but it worked, raising patriots of the country.
                        The Bolsheviks, having come to power, also used Uvarov's principle, only replacing religion with Marxism-Leninism and the Tsar with the Soviets. And this also worked.

                        You can't exchange Faith for... material teaching, the Tsar for incomprehensible advice.
                        As for the third.
                        Stalin
                        In the past we did not have and could not have a fatherland

                        When the rooster crowed, the people remembered the Fatherland and Faith.

                        But no one went for the Soviets and Marxism in 91 - that's what "ideology" is.
                      12. +1
                        7 January 2026 06: 28
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You can't exchange Faith for... material teaching, the Tsar for incomprehensible advice.

                        into incomprehensible ones - maybe, but into understandable ones - easily. Which is what happened.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        The people have given up their faith.

                        The only question is - for which one?
                  2. +2
                    5 January 2026 19: 22
                    Quote: Richard
                    the Author's absolutely apolitical position towards his historical characters

                    Seriously? lol
          2. +2
            6 January 2026 17: 51
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            Well, I see the present. And the return of this White Guardism. Yeah, I don't like it.

            I don't see any white return now (in what way?), or red... rather green (the color of the buck).
  4. +7
    5 January 2026 07: 18
    Who did Drozdovsky hang and shoot? Ordinary Russian peasants, whom he considered rebellious cattle, whose place was in the stables, where the master decides how to whip them... And he's not alone... And now he has admirers for whom Russians and non-Russians alike are also cattle...
    1. +5
      5 January 2026 07: 28
      lonely...And now he has fans for whom Russians and non-Russians of Russia are also cattle...
      Well, actually...There is a certain very gray man...as they say now: *in the towers*, we see him every year.
    2. +3
      5 January 2026 09: 14
      How long can you show off your ignorance to society? At that time, the nobles and peasants that the propaganda press wrote about no longer existed. Nobility was acquired with first officer rank or higher education. Many nobles came from the raznochintsy (commoners). And officers sometimes lived worse than skilled workers. Civil war is the worst of all wars. Today, in Ukraine, there's essentially a civil war going on, where brother is shooting at brother, son at father.
      1. +3
        5 January 2026 09: 35
        There you go good Today in Ukraine, in fact, there is also a civil war going on where brother is shooting at brother, son at father.
        How right you are! I give you a huge thumbs up!!!
      2. +5
        5 January 2026 11: 48
        Nobility was personal and hereditary. And how those raznochintsy who received nobility behaved is evident in the example of Drozdovsky and other "heroes" of the White movement. The Bolsheviks and their allies at least had an idea, while these "ideas" were limited to hanging and shooting...
        As for Ukraine, it wasn't me who spent so many years convincing my relatives living there that the fascists Bandera and Shukhevych were heroes, that their enemy was Russia, and that Russians should be killed. And since 2015, there has been no news of those relatives who lived in Donbas and thought differently.
        1. -3
          5 January 2026 16: 03
          There was an idea! As Ilyich said: "I don't give a damn about Russia! I'm a Bolshevik!"
          1. -2
            6 January 2026 05: 11
            And decided to create the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, aka the RSFSR? Are you still celebrating New Year's or have you already started celebrating Christmas?
            1. +2
              6 January 2026 10: 20
              My God! This is all bullshit! If we're talking about who created the Soviet Union, it was I.V. Stalin, and specifically in his struggle with Lenin. That idiot spun things up so much that Stalin had to wage a whole battle within the Central Committee to clean out those Augean stables and create a truly monolithic state. And he couldn't even finish it; the war got in the way. It's no wonder Putin once said in a speech that Lenin planted a bomb at the foundation of Russia. He knew what he was talking about!
              1. 0
                6 January 2026 11: 59
                So I didn’t write anything about the USSR, I wrote about the RSFSR, which later became the foundation of the USSR.
          2. 0
            6 January 2026 11: 59
            Quote from Songwolf
            As Ilyich said: "I don't give a damn about Russia!"

            this is also him:
            в experiment It's interesting to participate!


            He experiments placed over Russia
            1. -3
              6 January 2026 12: 49
              And in some cases, the result was excrement like that of the crust-bakery lovers.
              1. +1
                6 January 2026 13: 00
                Quote: Grencer81
                And in some cases, excrement resulted.

                Yes, it's like that with everyone, don't be too sad. Yes lol
              2. +1
                6 January 2026 14: 01
                By the way... French bread was airy and soft. The nobility didn't eat it, considering it common food. Don't mistake the songwriters' fiction for reality.
                1. -1
                  6 January 2026 14: 11
                  Ostap turned to Charushnikov: “What regiment did you serve in?”
                  Charushnikov began to puff.
                  - I... I, so to speak, did not serve at all, because, being invested with the trust of society, I was elected.
                  -Are you a nobleman?
                  -Yes. There was.
                  "You still are, I hope? Stay strong. We'll need your help. Did Polesov tell you? Foreign countries will help us. Public opinion is the key. The organization is a complete secret."
                  I. Ilf, E. Petrov "12 chairs"...😂😂😂😂😂
          3. +1
            7 January 2026 06: 30
            Quote from Songwolf
            There was an idea! As Ilyich said: "I don't give a damn about Russia! I'm a Bolshevik!"

            And THIS idea captivated so many people in Russia?
      3. +3
        5 January 2026 19: 39
        Quote from Songwolf
        How long can you show your lack of education to society?

        Can not argue with that lol
        Quote from Songwolf
        Nobility was acquired with the first officer rank or by receiving higher education.

        Really? And here I was thinking I needed to work my way up to colonel...
        Quote from Songwolf
        A civil war where brother shoots brother

        This is the pure truth.
        1. +2
          6 January 2026 00: 13
          From the colonel comes hereditary nobility.
          1. +1
            6 January 2026 11: 26
            Quote from Songwolf
            From the colonel comes hereditary nobility.

            And "personal" from the major.
            1. +2
              6 January 2026 11: 43
              Major? That rank didn't even exist. Staff captain (four stars), captain (smooth shoulder strap with one gap), lieutenant colonel (three stars and two gaps), colonel (smooth shoulder strap and two gaps).
              Personal from a warrant officer... Officer rank only conferred personal nobility upon graduation from a military academy. Or upon attaining a higher education degree from any civilian university.
              1. +1
                6 January 2026 11: 58
                Quote from Songwolf
                Major? That rank didn't even exist.

                And you also accused others of illiteracy... lol
                In 1845, when the stipulation was first introduced that hereditary nobility should rank upon attaining the rank of colonel in the military and state councilor in the civilian sector, the rank of major was quite valid. It was abolished in 1884, relegating it to the VIII class of captains.
                Quote from Songwolf
                Staff captain (four stars), captain (smooth shoulder strap with one gap), lieutenant colonel (3 stars and two gaps), colonel (smooth shoulder strap and two gaps).

                Major - two gaps and two stars, like a modern lieutenant colonel. The epaulette simply has two stars. Some believe that two stars were traditional, as there were two major ranks: second major (one star) and premier major (two stars).
                1. +1
                  6 January 2026 13: 55
                  These titles were abolished in 1797 under Paul I. We're talking about the early 20th century.
                  1. 0
                    6 January 2026 18: 03
                    Quote from Songwolf
                    These titles were abolished in 1797 under Paul I. We're talking about the early 20th century.

                    We are talking about the granting of nobility.
                    Quote from Songwolf
                    Nobility was acquired with the first officer rank or by receiving higher education.

                    There was nothing like this at the beginning of the 20th century.
  5. 0
    5 January 2026 09: 38
    How accurately can we judge the actions of General Drozdovsky without being his contemporary, without having lived through his time? There was terror on both sides, and that must be acknowledged.
    Here's what Lenin wrote in a note to Sklyansky (late October-November 1920), deputy chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Republic. Lenin, apparently assessing the plan born in the depths of this department, instructed: "An excellent plan! Finish it together with Dzerzhinsky. Under the guise of "greens" (we will later blame them), we will march 10-20 miles and hang kulaks, priests, and landowners. Reward: 100,000 rubles for each hanged person."
    (Russian State Archive of Socio-Political History (RGASPI), f.2 on.2, d.380, l.1; V.I. Lenin. Unknown documents 1891-1922. Moscow, 1999. P.400)
    1. +4
      5 January 2026 10: 21
      Those who didn't live in that time. Terror existed on both sides, and that must be accepted.
      You're right again!!! Extremely important! Plus+plus!!! good
    2. +5
      5 January 2026 11: 52
      The White Terror gave birth to the Red Terror, for every action produces a reaction. The Whites dreamed of crushing the Reds with their terror, but in return, they were crushed themselves. The Whites decided they could put the Russian peasants back in their stalls, herd them like work animals into a barn, and the peasants would feel like human beings.
      And the whites didn't consider them people...
      1. -4
        5 January 2026 16: 05
        You're talking nonsense again! It would have been better if you had just sat in silence!
        1. +5
          5 January 2026 16: 48
          и
          Why? Answer?
          stall, drive them into a barn like working cattle, and the men felt like people.
          Did the Whites really have an idea????An idea with a capital I??? bully
          1. -2
            5 January 2026 19: 34
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            Did the Whites really have an idea????An idea with a capital I???

            They had an idea!!!
          2. +4
            5 January 2026 19: 43
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            Did the whites really have an idea?

            Moreover, they were ready to fight for this idea. Unlike the communists of the 90s, who were at the forefront of plundering the people's property.
            1. -3
              6 January 2026 12: 05
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              Moreover, they were ready to fight for this idea.

              and the Civil War, judging by the victims, continued until 1953
              For example, at 37-38 only
              In the Novosibirsk region, the “Siberian Committee of the POV,” the “Novosibirsk Trotskyist Organization in the Red Army,” the “Novosibirsk Trotskyist Terrorist Center,” the “Novosibirsk Fascist National Socialist Party of Germany,” the “Novosibirsk Latvian National Socialist Fascist Organization,” and another 33 "anti-Soviet" organizations and groups
              Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union
            2. -1
              7 January 2026 06: 37
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              Moreover, they were ready to fight for this idea.

              Yes, like Porthos: "I fight because I fight" laughing
            3. +2
              9 January 2026 13: 12
              Moreover, they were ready to fight for this idea. Unlike the communists of the 90s, who were at the forefront of plundering the people's property.
              There's simply nothing to counter with here. You know, the times... Today? What can we say about today? laughing
              1. +1
                9 January 2026 15: 19
                Quote: ArchiPhil
                What shall we say about today?

                I do not know what to say...
          3. +1
            6 January 2026 18: 57
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            Did the Whites really have an idea????An idea with a capital I?

            Yes-"Power to the people"- all citizens of Russia without exception equal rights to elections, freedom of speech, assembly, conscience - that is, what the Reds deprived them of.
            1. 0
              7 January 2026 06: 36
              Quote: Olgovich
              all citizens of Russia without exception equal rights to elections, freedom of speech, assembly, conscience - that is, what the Reds deprived them of

              But for some reason, the Whites made it clear that the Reds had granted all these rights, and they, the Whites, intended to deprive Russian citizens of these rights. Although not all of them, without exception.
        2. +1
          5 January 2026 19: 34
          Quote from Songwolf
          You're talking nonsense again! It would have been better if you had just sat in silence!

          No, the man is telling the truth. The very same truth you haven't liked since October 1917.
          1. 0
            6 January 2026 00: 11
            What truth? Complete historical illiteracy. Verkhov picked it up from his school curriculum.
            1. +1
              6 January 2026 05: 15
              The liberal elite, they're more truthful, right? Or what? The Whites, according to liberal theory, are the elite, the upper class, while the Reds... who later built a state that became a superpower, something Tsarist Russia couldn't even dream of.
              1. 0
                6 January 2026 09: 52
                However, despite all the "horror" of the Russian Empire, the Romanovs' rule lasted for three hundred years, while the Soviet state did not last even a hundred years and was constantly comparing itself to the not-so-best year of 1914.
                1. +1
                  6 January 2026 10: 51
                  The comparison wasn't made with 1914, but with 1913—and that was the peak of the Romanov empire's development. They couldn't even establish industrial production of sausage, ice cream, condensed milk, tomato juice, and other basic items—they were produced in small batches in shops or restaurants, artisanally, without a standard recipe—meaning they were expensive and inaccessible to the general population, and their taste was unpredictable. Mikoyan later established production from scratch.
                  The Soviet Union was destroyed by the combined efforts of anti-communists, anti-Sovietists, and monarchists—attacking it from three sides and managing to deceive the people. And now the monarchists Olgovich and other admirers of the White Guards are trying to blame their idols on the communists.
                  1. +1
                    6 January 2026 11: 39
                    It was the communists and the Soviet elite who swindled the Soviet Union. It's shameful not to know that!
                    1. 0
                      6 January 2026 12: 22
                      These were the anti-communist turncoats who immediately banned the Communist Party.
                      1. +3
                        6 January 2026 14: 05
                        Well, well, well! 😄 Degenerates and Trotskyists! 😅
  6. 0
    5 January 2026 12: 49
    The enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people have proven that they will never admit their guilt for their crimes, both during the Soviet period and during their vicious and inhumane anti-Soviet period. And therefore, no matter how much their lies and slander are exposed regarding who unleashed the Civil War in the RSFSR after the October Revolution, they will still chant in unison: "The Bolsheviks unleashed the Civil War, and the White Guards and White Cossacks had nothing to do with it," just as they themselves cowardly "had nothing to do with" what they did in the 40 years since Perestroika.
    1. +3
      5 January 2026 17: 25
      created in 40 years since their Perestroika.
      Dear Irina! You... You are forty years late, calm down, my dear. Your time has passed, it has passed.
      1. 0
        5 January 2026 17: 27
        You work all day long. 15 rubles won't earn themselves.
        1. +5
          5 January 2026 17: 30
          I won't earn rubles myself
          Irishka is alive! I'm glad about it;
          1. +2
            5 January 2026 17: 44
            Answer me, my dear, I will give you a lot of money, right???
          2. +1
            6 January 2026 12: 08
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            I won't earn rubles myself
            Irishka is alive! I'm glad about it;

            They wrote to me in PM that it was a bot...
            1. +2
              9 January 2026 13: 24
              They wrote to me in PM that it was a bot...
              Honestly. I don't know, but if I really wanted to do something really unpleasant with red? I would be her, really! laughing Seriously? I just surfed the web and everywhere she writes... something similar. Maybe it's just some kind of saucepan on her head? I don't know. bully
              1. +1
                9 January 2026 14: 36
                Quote: ArchiPhil
                Perhaps it’s just a kind of saucepan on the head?

                Yes
                1. +1
                  9 January 2026 14: 42
                  Yes
                  I want to believe that she is a very good and kind woman. However? Just like us, no? laughing drinks
        2. +2
          5 January 2026 17: 39
          Yes, Ira, yes!¡fantastic!
      2. +2
        6 January 2026 00: 15
        I've been stricken with the Short Course of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) since childhood. I don't even pay attention to it anymore.
  7. +2
    5 January 2026 19: 32
    When these officers were led away, even the Red Guards did not want to shoot them, but this was what the peasants and women demanded... and even the children.
    How do you like this attitude of the people towards the white “liberators”?
    This is for Olgovich
  8. +1
    6 January 2026 13: 40
    Not only in the Russian Federation, but also in Tiraspol, the memory of Mikhail Gordeevich is honored. A memorial plaque commemorating the 100th anniversary of Drozdovsky's heroic deed was installed on the wall of St. Nicholas Cathedral, where Drozdovsky's campaign in 1918 was consecrated.

    On August 1, 2022, on the Day of Remembrance of the Heroes of the First World War, in Kacha, on the territory of the "Memorial to the Knights of St. George - graduates of the Sevastopol Officer Aviation School", a memorial sign in honor of the General Staff Major General Mikhail Gordeevich DROZDOVSKY was solemnly installed and consecrated.
    1. -1
      6 January 2026 14: 11
      By the way... February 23rd almost coincides with the First Ice March and is more appropriate for Defender of the Fatherland Day than the defeat of the Red Guard by the Germans.
      I'm going for a record for collecting downvotes!😄
  9. 0
    7 January 2026 21: 01
    "However, this is a late apologetic characterization; in fact, Drozdovsky had a reputation as a punisher and hangman."

    An extremely dubious passage.
    Rozaliya Samoylovna Zalkind (nickname Zemlyachka), her half-blooded accomplice in the genocide of Russians - Bela Kun, they are the ones who, by torturing and killing people, crossed the line between good and evil.
    Even Ulyanov-Blank (that's what his bloody comrades called him) was surprised by the cruelty with which they destroyed Russian people.

    The Bolsheviks later attributed these excruciating tortures and executions of extreme cruelty to the Whites.

    The textbook executions ordered by Bela Kun are well known - in locomotive furnaces and in steel mills.
    People were thrown into the fireboxes of locomotives, and in factories, white officers and soldiers were tied in pairs and thrown into molten metal.
    And then, the Bolshevik bastard began to attribute these abominations to the whites (supposedly this is how the recidivist Artyom died).

    Psychopaths, perverts, and sadists were common among the Bolsheviks.
    The same Zalkind often said that the best cure for the nerves of the Bolshevik turkeys was the torture and execution of the white scum. She loved inviting her relatives and friends to these monstrous executions.
    She herself loved to torture, and she especially enjoyed crushing the genitals of Russian officers.
    1. +1
      8 January 2026 12: 15
      This is already becoming a pain in the neck. The White terror was terrible, otherwise the Bolsheviks would have lost the Civil War. The people would have joyfully embraced the White liberators, but something went wrong with the White Guards. Read carefully what Mr. Shchulgin and Ilya Ratkovsky wrote about the White Guard terror.
    2. VLR
      +1
      8 January 2026 13: 33
      Firstly, the article is about Drozdovsky, not Zalkind. Secondly, if the Whites had the bloody Ataman Semyonov raging in Transbaikalia, and the bloody psychopath and sadist Annenkov in Semirechye, then why couldn't the Reds have had a bloody fantasy woman named Zalkind in Crimea? They are all reflections of the same ugly face in the distorted mirror of the civil war unleashed by the Whites.
      1. +1
        9 January 2026 14: 47
        , not about Zalkind
        By the way! No thoughts about her, no? I understand that it's the New Year and Christmas holidays and quite... an unpleasant figure, but? Why not? hi
  10. +1
    10 January 2026 10: 22
    An attempt to find an answer to the question of why terrible things happen in Russia every hundred years and even every decade. So similar that we still count Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Lenin, and Stalin among current political figures. In short, we still have not resolved and have not destroyed the conflict between pre-Petrine and Peter the Great Russia, monarchy and communism. And most importantly, between the Western-oriented elite and, from its point of view, the colossal ballast, or better said, unnecessary cargo on the ship called Russia, which represents, in fact, the main people of the country. Therefore, the ship is steered by some, and the inertia of the majority generally deprives it of any control. However, sometimes, by pure chance or oversight, people who understand this end up at the helm, but again, they understand in different ways, in one way or another. benefit, as now. I say this because, if we follow Mr. Olgovich's logic, the article is figuratively speaking not about treason in the rear, but about the lack of a clear mutual understanding between, so to speak, the elite at that historical moment (the Annenkovs, Semenovs, Kolchaks, Wrangels, Denikins) and, so to speak, the majority of the population living in the vastness of the Russian Empire. This pseudo-elite can shuffle, mimic, and betray each other as much as they like. But the country remains the same Russia from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok. And the Bolsheviks didn't flee anywhere; they stayed with their people and built a new state of workers and peasants. What happened is what happened; it could have been worse. And woe to the vanquished, it was a civil war.
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    11 January 2026 00: 39
    Quote: Grencer81
    But Jews could only hold government positions by converting to Orthodoxy.
    There are two controversial points here. 1) What if a Jew converted not to Orthodoxy, but to Catholicism, Protestantism, or even Islam... or even to Gregorianism - do you think such a conversion would have closed the door for a former Jew to government positions in the Russian Empire?
    2) And secondly, excuse me, do you really think that the Russian Empire was so poor in talented and intelligent Slavs, Tatars, Chuvash and other representatives of the Volga peoples, Germans... Georgians, finally, that the Empire could not have managed without Jews in government positions?
  12. +1
    11 January 2026 00: 59
    Quote from: odisey3000
    This is already getting on my nerves. The Whites' terror was terrible, otherwise the Bolsheviks would have lost the Civil War.
    I believe your conclusion is not entirely fair. The White Terror and the Red Terror were, by and large, equivalent in brutality. But there was one fundamental difference between the Red Terror and the White Terror, which may have played a decisive role. The Red Terror was directed primarily against representatives of, so to speak, classes (estates) distant from the majority of the people. These classes, numerically, constituted an absolute minority in the country compared to the peasants and workers, who constituted the absolute majority. The common people (and this, I remind you, constituted the absolute majority of the population) did not regard officers, much less generals, or, for that matter, any wealthy people (the bourgeoisie) as their own. Therefore, the Reds' executions of various "bourgeois" did not have the same negative impact on the general population as the Whites' executions of workers and peasants. But the White terror was felt more deeply by the majority of the people, as the Whites primarily executed workers and peasants, that is, representatives of the absolute majority of the country's population. The overwhelming majority of the country reacted much more negatively to such executions than to the executions of bourgeois citizens by the Reds, with all the ensuing consequences.
    1. +1
      11 January 2026 18: 22
      You, colleague, are thinking correctly: a small, figuratively speaking, group of the population, preaching some ideas about the goodness of Russia, conventionally speaking, wearing pseudo-white, robbed and cruelly, sadistically dealt with a large part of the population living in Russia, terrorized it, because this population did not want to live by the rules of this minority. And who is wrong?
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        11 January 2026 19: 24
        It's a pity that you understood me that way. request