Air-to-air cruise missiles: a way to reach Ukrainian F-16 and Mirage fighters

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Air-to-air cruise missiles: a way to reach Ukrainian F-16 and Mirage fighters

It is unlikely that anyone will argue that combat aviation Nowadays, the air force is the most crucial element of the armed forces—without achieving air superiority, victory on the ground is virtually impossible. After the cheerful statements made by some individuals at the very beginning of the Special Military Operation (SMO) in Ukraine that the Ukrainian air force had been completely destroyed, it turned out that this assertion was far from the truth, and by the end of the fourth year of the war, the Ukrainian Air Force (VVS) is still very much alive.

While the Ukrainian Armed Forces were operating Soviet aircraft, they periodically made risky attempts to attack our aircraft, resulting in the loss of their combat vehicles to anti-aircraft fire. missile complexes (SAM) or fighters of the Russian Air Force, but they do not want to risk Western F-16 and Mirage 2000 fighters, at least for now, using them mainly to intercept Russian long-range kamikaze unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of the Geran family and cruise missiles (CMs).



Incidentally, the Ukrainian Air Force's lack of attempts or unsuccessful attempts to attack Russian aircraft should not be taken as a reason for complacency. It is likely that Ukrainian F-16 and Mirage 2000 pilots are currently actively training, and will only undertake active offensive operations against the Russian Air Force when their US/NATO instructors and handlers deem them ready.

In addition, it is necessary to take into account that the Ukrainian Armed Forces currently have received a far from the most modern modification of the F-16, and if the war between Russia and Ukraine does not stop, the United States may well decide to supply more modern modifications of these machines.

In order to minimize the damage caused to the Ukrainian Air Force by our long-range kamikaze UAVs, to minimize the number of precision strikes weapons, used from Ukrainian Air Force aircraft, and to reduce the likelihood of transferring more modern combat aircraft to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, it is necessary to ensure the destruction of Ukrainian combat aircraft.

But we have serious problems with this.

Of course, attempts to destroy Ukrainian aircraft on the ground using long-range precision weapons were most likely made, but we have no confirmation of the effectiveness of such strikes. Most likely, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are using a combination of sheltering combat aircraft in concrete caponiers and withdrawing aircraft from attack by dispersing them after receiving information about the attack.

Also, as we have already mentioned above, the Ukrainian Air Force tries not to risk Western-made aircraft and does not fly them into the range of our air defense systems and fighters. In turn, manned aircraft of the Russian Air Force practically do not cross the line of contact, deep into Ukrainian territory, which does not allow them to attack Ukrainian aircraft and helicopters that take off.

Well, that means we have only one option left – catching Ukrainian combat aircraft and helicopters with live bait.

From prey to hunter


Recently, numerous videos have appeared on enemy resources showing Russian kamikaze UAVs of the Geran family being shot down by machine guns fired from Ukrainian transport and attack helicopters.


At the same time, Ukrainian F-16 and Mirage fighters began using relatively inexpensive American APKWS II laser-guided missiles to intercept Russian kamikaze UAVs. It is worth noting that we discussed the prospects for creating inexpensive high-precision weapons based on unguided rockets (UNR) back in 2022 in an article The problem of the high cost of precision-guided munitions and ways to solve it.

However, every action breeds reaction – recently, enemy resources published images of what is believed to be a Russian kamikaze UAV of the Geran type, equipped with a short-range R-60 air-to-air (A-A) missile.


The effectiveness of such weapons has not yet been reliably confirmed, but this is clearly a promising direction. As is well known, the most important indicator of weapon sophistication is the cost-effectiveness criterion, and the cost of a kamikaze UAV like the Geran, even equipped with air-to-air missiles and additional equipment, would be an order of magnitude less than the cost of a transport-attack helicopter or fighter jet it could theoretically shoot down.

The problem is that the warhead weight (WH), i.e. the payload capacity of the Geranium-type kamikaze UAV, is only about 90 kg, which means that the ability to place air-to-air weapons and other necessary equipment on them is limited.

Considering that, as we have already said above, the concept itself seems very promising, what other options might we have?

Presumably, the X-101 family of cruise missiles can be considered as a promising air-to-air weapon carrier, the conditional modification of which we will designate as the X-101BB.

KR X-101BB


Why is it advisable to consider the X-101 cruise missile as a carrier, and not, for example, the Kalibr cruise missile?

There are at least two reasons. Firstly, the warhead weight of the Kalibr cruise missile system does not exceed 400-500 kg, while that of the modernized Kh-101 family of missiles can be 800-1000 kg, as we discussed earlier in this article. The Kh-101 cruise missile with a reinforced warhead and the prospects for creating modular long-range precision weapons.

Secondly, the Kalibr cruise missiles are launched from vertical launch systems (VLS), which limit the increase in the diameter of the launched cruise missiles or the placement of any additional equipment on them, whereas cruise missiles launched from air carriers have this capability; for example, additional conformal fuel tanks were installed on the Kh-555 cruise missile modification, which were not present on the basic Kh-55 cruise missile.


The Kh-101 cruise missile (top) and the Kalibr cruise missile (bottom)

So, what will the prospective X-101BB cruise missile include and what might it look like?

First and foremost, these are air-to-air weapons. One such example is the promising RVV-MD2 missiles, designed for the Su-57 fifth-generation multirole stealth fighter.

Why exactly them?

Because their design must be optimized for placement in the internal compartments of the Su-57 fighter, they will therefore be easier to fit on the X101BB cruise missile. Furthermore, these are the most modern short-range air-to-air missiles we have. Meanwhile, fighters now almost always destroy enemy aircraft with medium- and long-range air-to-air missiles, so short-range air-to-air missiles often end up hanging uselessly on the outer pylons.

Presumably, the optimal solution would be to install the RVV-MD2 missiles under conformal fairings, parallel to the sides of the cruise missile body. However, this is variable; it might be better to install them from below, at a slight angle. Without knowing the exact location of the cruise missile's internal components and the specifics of its mounting on the carrier aircraft, it is impossible to accurately select a specific arrangement of the air-to-air missiles on the cruise missile.

RVV-MD2 missiles must be oriented away from the cruise missile's flight path to attack fighters approaching the cruise missile from its rear hemisphere. Theoretically, the target acquisition by the V-V missile's infrared seeker could be affected by the hot exhaust of the cruise missile's turbojet engine, although this is not certain.


RVV-MD2 missile

The effects of thermal radiation can be reduced by deflecting air-to-air missiles away from the cruise missile body before launch, as well as by injecting liquid nitrogen into the turbojet exhaust. Incidentally, injecting liquid nitrogen can also reduce the likelihood of a cruise missile being locked onto by the infrared seeker of short-range air-to-air missiles on enemy fighters, especially when combined with the use of flares.

Air-to-air missiles also need to be provided with primary target designation for an attacking enemy fighter. While this could be accomplished using the IR seekers on the air-to-air missiles themselves, the effectiveness of such a solution would likely be lower.

Primary detection of enemy fighters can be carried out either by the Kh-101VV cruise missile itself or with the help of external target designation.

Detection on your own


In order for the X-101VV cruise missile to detect an attacking enemy fighter, it must be equipped with the appropriate equipment.

The placement of a radar station (RLS) on a cruise missile is hardly advisable due to the relatively high weight and size characteristics of such equipment and its high cost; in addition, the active radar radiation from the cruise missile will alert the enemy.

To hunt cruise missiles and kamikaze UAVs with fighter jets, the enemy uses its own fighter radars, the emissions of which can be detected, but the existing radar detection systems used by the Russian Armed Forces on combat aircraft are likely excessive in performance and expensive.

Presumably, a simpler and less expensive solution for detecting radar emissions could be created for the Kh-101VV cruise missile using civilian components, such as spectrum analyzers with receiver antennas distributed across the cruise missile's body and wings.

For example, the AN/APG-66(V)2 radar of the Ukrainian F-16AM/BM Block 15 MLU fighters operates at frequencies of 6,2-10,9 GHz, while the Arinst SSA-TG R3 portable spectrum analyzer operates in the 24 MHz – 12 GHz range.


Arinst SSA-TG R3 Portable Spectrum Analyzer

The probability of detecting attacking enemy fighters can be significantly increased by using optical reconnaissance equipment operating in the visible and, most importantly, thermal wavelength range.

However, the feasibility of automating the initial target acquisition procedure is questionable. The problem is that an attacking fighter will likely approach from the rear hemisphere of the cruise missile—at this angle, it will be most visible to the infrared seekers of enemy air-to-air missiles. However, the attacking fighter will be visible to the thermal imagers of the cruise missile's detection system from the forward hemisphere, where its thermal signature is minimal.

In other words, it's unlikely that the V-V cruise missile will be able to implement automation systems that would allow for fully automatic detection and attack of attacking enemy fighters. This raises the question of the need for feedback on the Kh-101VV cruise missile.

External target designation


External target designation can be organized by using airborne early warning and control aircraft (AEW&C).

Here, of course, things are complicated for us. Russian AWACS aircraft are most likely quite outdated, and their numbers are extremely limited. On the other hand, we need to detect Ukrainian fourth-generation F-16 and Mirage fighters, which lack stealth technology, reducing the requirements for AWACS radars.


The most modern Russian AWACS aircraft, the A-50U

It's clear that we'll only need external targeting in areas where our air forces lack air superiority, because if we do, we won't need the Kh-101VV cruise missiles—our fighters will handle them themselves. The primary target of cruise missiles and long-range kamikaze UAVs is Ukraine's rear areas, where they will be hunted by Ukrainian aircraft.

The only solution that can be proposed is patrolling by A-50U AWACS aircraft over the territory of Belarus, along the border with Ukraine.

Of course, if Russia were in Ukraine's place, AWACS aircraft could be flown right along the border, maximizing their range of observation over enemy territory. In this case, F-16 and Mirage fighters could be detected at a distance of approximately 300-400 kilometers deep into enemy territory.

But, unfortunately, it seems that for the leadership of our country, the almost dysfunctional international law is a priority, even if its observance directly harms Russia and its interests.

However, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will clearly not hesitate to shoot down our AWACS aircraft over Belarusian territory, so we will have to keep it at least a hundred kilometers from the Ukrainian border, which means the detection range of F-16 and Mirage fighters will be about 200-300 kilometers deep into enemy territory, which is also quite a lot.

Of course, the need to work with external target designation brings us back to the implementation of feedback on the Kh-101VV cruise missile.

Incidentally, if feedback were available on all long-range precision weapons, they could be given commands to change their flight path and evade/use heat flares if they received information about approaching Ukrainian fighters.

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The benefits provided by the X-101BB RC feedback depend on two main factors: data transfer rate and data transfer delay.

In the simplest case, we can only rely on low-speed, high-latency satellite communications, which will allow us to receive telemetry from the X-101BB cruise missile—information on its coordinates, speed, flight altitude, etc.—as well as limited data from the enemy fighter's radar detection system. External targeting data will also be available. (knowing the coordinates, course and speed of the X-101BB cruise missile, as well as the coordinates, course and speed of the fighter detected by the AWACS aircraft, it is possible to understand that it has begun hunting for this cruise missile and issue a command for countermeasures).

High-speed satellite communications – presumably, we also have the capability to provide such communications.

In particular, JSC “Information Satellite Systems” named after Academician M.F. Reshetnev” developed the RS-30M terminal, with a data transfer rate of approximately 5 Mbit/sec for transmission and 80 Mbit/sec for reception.

The terminal, with its parabolic antenna, measures 500 x 300 x 200 mm and weighs 3,5 kg. Communication is via the Yamal-601 satellite, located in geostationary orbit, meaning there may be significant signal delays. Furthermore, there is no reliable information yet on the speeds at which the object can communicate. However, the developer's website states that communication is possible while moving.


Satellite terminals of JSC "Information Satellite Systems" named after Academician M.F. Reshetnev. Image reshetnev-signal.ru

Another possibility is to use the "enemy" Starlink connection.

On the one hand, this happens constantly – it's no secret that our troops actively use Starlink terminals in the air defense zone. Starlink terminals operate at speeds of up to 730 km/h, while the cruising speed of the Kh-101 cruise missile is approximately 690-720 km/h. Starlink's data transfer speed and low latency allow for near-real-time control.

On the other hand, there's a risk that Starlink algorithms could track and block terminals moving at high speeds, or force them to undergo additional verification. However, it seems Elon Musk isn't particularly fond of Ukraine, so the "technical feasibility" may well not be forthcoming.

Perhaps the optimal solution would be to use two satellite communication terminals at once: a reliable domestic one, through which the control channels will operate, and a Starlink terminal, from which the detection data will be transmitted.

Incidentally, a Starlink-like communications system is being developed by Russia's Bureau 1440, but they currently have few satellites, and, unfortunately, this is a matter for tomorrow rather than today.

Finally, there's another option: communication via a relay aircraft. As with the AWACS aircraft, the relay aircraft can fly over Belarusian territory a hundred kilometers from the Ukrainian border, providing communications with the Kh-101VV cruise missile system over a distance of over 500 kilometers.

Weight and size restrictions


Will all the “good stuff” we talked about above fit into the X-101 cruise missile?

Based on open data, the warhead weight of the modernized Kh-101 cruise missile could be around 800-1000 kg.

The mass of a single RVV-MD2 V-V missile is 117 kg, while two missiles weigh 234 kg. With the conformal covers and ejection devices, their total mass would be approximately 400 kg.


Conformal fuel tanks on the Kh-555 cruise missile – similar to how RVV-MD2 missiles can be placed on the Kh-101VV cruise missile

A set of means for detecting enemy radar radiation, for example, will weigh no more than 20 kg.

The mass of an optical-electronic system (OES), depending on its characteristics, can be around 50 kg, perhaps even more, but we will be looking towards OES designed for relatively light-duty medium-altitude UAVs.

The weight of the communication terminal/terminals is another 20 kg.

The weight of a 40-liter liquid nitrogen cylinder will be approximately 80 kilograms. (if a cylinder of this volume does not fit into the CR, the mass will decrease).


An electric power generator for all the above equipment weighs another 30 kilograms.

In total, it comes out to about 600 kg, that is, if we proceed from the carrying capacity of the Kh-101 cruise missile, then there will still be a reserve of about 200-400 kg per warhead to hit a ground target - after all, you can’t “throw away” the Kh101VV cruise missile after firing V-V missiles at enemy aircraft?

Application tactics


The X-101BB cruise missile launch must be carried out simultaneously with “conventional” X-101 cruise missiles, as well as cruise missiles from the Kalibr complex and long-range kamikaze UAVs as part of a massive fire strike (MFS), and for the first time, the Kh-101BB cruise missiles must be the majority, if not all, in order to inflict maximum damage on enemy aircraft that are not expecting an attack of this format deep in their own territory.

The coordinates of the Kh-101VV cruise missile must be in near-real-time and transmitted to a control center, with the cruise missile displayed on a digital map of the area.

The takeoff of enemy fighters must be monitored by agents (if we have one), as well as with the help of AWACS aircraft, if they are still operational and capable of detecting fourth-generation fighters at low altitude, and if the leadership of the Union Republic of Belarus allows their flights over its territory.

Knowing the location of our X-101BB cruise missiles and enemy fighters, we can understand which X-101BB cruise missile a particular fighter is going to attack, and if there is a risk that the enemy will miss some X-101BB cruise missile, then we can give it a command to adjust its route - as they say, "the meeting place cannot be avoided".

Additionally, the control center must receive information about a cruise missile attack from the Kh-101VV cruise missile's built-in sensors. If there is no external target designation, the built-in sensors remain the only means of attack warning.

After receiving a warning of an attack by one means or another, the operator of the X-101BB cruise missile launches a further search for the attacking enemy aircraft using the OES or attempts to capture the target directly with the IR homing head of the V-V missiles if the placement of the OES on the X-101BB cruise missile turns out to be a redundant solution.

If a target is successfully detected, it is attacked simultaneously with two RVV-MD2 V-V missiles (to increase the probability of destruction). After firing the V-V missiles, the "empty" Kh-101VV cruise missile continues its flight toward a ground target selected with the limited warhead yield.

Conclusions


At first glance, the concept of the Kh-101VV cruise missile may seem very specific and unrealistic, but one might think so if it were not for the Geranium family of UAVs with V-V R-60 missiles, one of which, according to some reports, has already destroyed a Ukrainian Mi-24 helicopter.

There's also the example of the Turkish Bayraktar KIZILELMA jet-powered UAV, which autonomously engaged a target aircraft with an air-to-air missile beyond visual range. And what is the X-101BB cruise missile if not a single-use UAV?


Bayraktar KIZILEL UAV

The functionality of UAVs and unmanned boats (UCVs) will steadily expand, and the most important tool for expanding the areas and increasing the efficiency of UAV and UAV use is a high-speed satellite communications infrastructure with low data transmission latency.

Using “enemy” communications is nonsense, a necessary measure. We almost always return to the need for priority development of a domestic analogue of the Starlink network, which, judging by everything, is the product of BUREAU 1440.

To defeat an enemy, it is not necessary to destroy its entire industry; it is enough to knock out a few critical technologies, so anyone who opposes the emergence of Russia's own high-speed satellite communications is a traitor.

As a "crutch" - a temporary measure - it is entirely possible to consider the use of relay aircraft operating from the territory of Belarus - they will not even be based there, but will only use the airspace as needed.

Even one confirmed loss from an X-101B cruise missile, for example an F-16 fighter, will inflict monstrous reputational damage on the enemy.

The question arises as to how feasible is it to continue hunting cruise missiles and long-range kamikaze UAVs with aircraft if they have learned to "fight back" and have effectively transformed from "victim" into "hunter"?

Ukraine's allies will also face another question: is it worth continuing to supply it with aircraft and helicopters?

The only way for Ukrainian aviation to shoot down our cruise missiles and long-range kamikaze UAVs with impunity is to use long-range AIM-120 missiles, which cost slightly less than the cost of the cruise missiles they hit and orders of magnitude more than the cost of the kamikaze UAVs.

Finally, the use of the Kh-101VV cruise missile simultaneously with the “regular” KRKh-101, as well as other types of long-range precision weapons, will not allow Ukrainian aviation to feel safe, either on the ground or in the air.
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  1. +17
    3 January 2026 04: 30
    wassat
    RVV-MD2 missiles must be oriented away from the cruise missile's flight path to attack fighters approaching the cruise missile from its rear hemisphere. Theoretically, the target acquisition by the V-V missile's infrared seeker could be affected by the hot exhaust of the cruise missile's turbojet engine, although this is not certain.
    The effects of thermal radiation can be reduced by deflecting air-to-air missiles away from the cruise missile body before launch, as well as by injecting liquid nitrogen into the turbojet exhaust. Incidentally, injecting liquid nitrogen can also reduce the likelihood of a cruise missile being locked onto by the infrared seeker of short-range air-to-air missiles on enemy fighters, especially when combined with the use of flares.
    Hmm, as someone who's used to these kinds of articles on VO, I still want to ask: does anyone actually read them before publishing?casting liquid nitrogen into the exhaust of a turbojet engine, etc.? Someone decides, "Okay, let's publish it"? Why, why are you doing this???
    request
    P.S. If we take as a single unit of measurement the article where the author proposed strapping two kilotons of TNT to submarine 636 (and cutting down its conning tower) and sending the vessel on a miracle cruise, to spite the enemy, then we have to admit that this article is twice as edgy. The author is making progress...
    laughing
    PPS. ...I understand, it's New Year's, so I drank a liter, drank two... but why get drunk like that!
    recourse
    Happy New Year to all forum members, health, happiness and prosperity!
    good drinks
    1. +10
      3 January 2026 06: 11
      I understand, it's New Year's, so I drank a liter, drank two... but why get drunk like that!

      Have you seen the author? Mitrofanov produces similar "Mitrofanovism" even on "fasting days."
      Once again, I suggest writing the author's last name AT THE BEGINNING of the article and returning the "-".
      Happy New Year!
    2. +2
      3 January 2026 13: 26
      The author's thoughts are illusory crying but there is hope that someone on Znamenskaya street is looking out
      Quote: Wildcat
      ..that's all"casting liquid nitrogen into the exhaust of a turbojet engine, etc.? ...

      The author is right about one thing: even the time to consider promising technologies has been senselessly 'wasted' by the people on Znamenskaya Street, and this is only slang for profanity. Everything is happening. contrary toThere's a lot of work for counter-spies there... Just like science and planning, good luck to them.
    3. +2
      3 January 2026 17: 36
      Quote: Wildcat
      wassat
      RVV-MD2 missiles must be oriented away from the cruise missile's flight path to attack fighters approaching the cruise missile from its rear hemisphere. Theoretically, the target acquisition by the V-V missile's infrared seeker could be affected by the hot exhaust of the cruise missile's turbojet engine, although this is not certain.
      The effects of thermal radiation can be reduced by deflecting air-to-air missiles away from the cruise missile body before launch, as well as by injecting liquid nitrogen into the turbojet exhaust. Incidentally, injecting liquid nitrogen can also reduce the likelihood of a cruise missile being locked onto by the infrared seeker of short-range air-to-air missiles on enemy fighters, especially when combined with the use of flares.
      Hmm, as someone who's used to these kinds of articles on VO, I still want to ask: does anyone actually read them before publishing?casting liquid nitrogen into the exhaust of a turbojet engine, etc.? Someone decides, "Okay, let's publish it"? Why, why are you doing this???


      I'm not an expert in this at all.
      I just have "mnemonic abilities" :))) I just have a good memory, I remember what was once written... :) without fully understanding the physics of what was written, but I remember the gist.

      In fact, the idea of ​​directly spraying certain gases or graphene nanotubes into the jet exhaust emerged about 10-12 years ago. There were even calculations showing phenomenal reductions in the temperature of the outgoing jet gases, depending on the distance from the aircraft.
      What, according to theory, resulted in such a decrease in temperature and such mixing with the surrounding atmosphere, that those radars that could see all these movements of air masses caused by the difference in temperatures of the boundary layers of the jet and the surrounding air stopped selecting the changes.

      Secondly, this resulted in an order of magnitude lower level of secondary IR radiation, which significantly reduced the target acquisition range using IR or UV-IR seekers....
      1. +3
        3 January 2026 20: 09
        Liquid nitrogen has a very low density and heat capacity. You'd have to dump a hefty barrel of it. Otherwise, it'll literally take a couple of seconds. There are more reliable methods.
  2. +3
    3 January 2026 05: 14
    Are we no longer considering the option of achieving air superiority? What do we need fighter jets for anyway?
    1. 0
      3 January 2026 18: 42
      Quote: Egor Kutuzov
      Are we no longer considering the option of achieving air superiority? What do we need fighter jets for anyway?

      How can they gain air superiority if they don't have specialized reconnaissance aircraft based on attack aircraft, practically no ELINT aircraft, no modern AWACS aircraft, no towed decoys at all, and so on and so forth? And there aren't enough aircraft, not even enough experienced pilots. There probably isn't even a modern theory for penetrating air defense zones. So they don't even try. Perhaps only the Su-57 is sneaking behind the LBS at night, but no one will tell us. Even if it does, it's unlikely to go far beyond the Dnieper where it could be detected by a NATO AWACS flying along the borders of Poland and Ukraine. That's the story with kittens. hi
      1. +2
        3 January 2026 20: 11
        Never mind electronic warfare aircraft, they only learned how to build aircraft hangars in the fall of 2024. Before that, there were no technologies, no nanoconcrete, and no nanoreinforcement. Before that, ordinary drones could easily fly into airfields, not to mention saboteurs with a bottle of gasoline. fool
        1. -1
          4 January 2026 13: 10
          Quote from alexoff
          Never mind electronic warfare aircraft, they only learned how to build aircraft hangars in the fall of 2024. Before that, there were no technologies, no nanoconcrete, and no nanoreinforcement. Before that, ordinary drones could easily fly into airfields, not to mention saboteurs with a bottle of gasoline. fool

          Honestly, what else can you expect from the footage left over from Taburetkino?
  3. +3
    3 January 2026 05: 48
    The article gives off a certain primitiveness... what there are no fresh ideas that can actually be used against the enemy.
    We're marking time...as if we were still in the last century.
    So we will not go far.
    1. +1
      3 January 2026 20: 13
      We don't have the specialists to transport a couple of drones to an enemy airfield and quietly launch them. We can only launch one drone a week at Starokostiantyniv, hoping there was a plane in the hangar and not flown off to Romania, as usual.
  4. +6
    3 January 2026 05: 56
    What is still somehow suitable for the low-speed Geranium is fundamentally unsuitable for a transonic cruise missile.
    And it's not even that implementing all this beauty would require a FUNDAMENTALLY new missile, not a modified version of an old one, as the author believes, but that cruise missiles are intercepted by aircraft practically by accident. In other words, a huge waste of money...
  5. +1
    3 January 2026 08: 36
    Space was wasted. And now, the darting from the A-50 over Belarus to the Su-35 is "out of bounds." If NATO had the same capabilities in space, a lot would be different.
    1. +1
      3 January 2026 15: 09
      Besides, the enemy has already attacked our Aerospace Forces stationed on the territory of Belarus, if anyone doesn't remember.
  6. KCA
    +2
    3 January 2026 08: 37
    The idea of ​​using a standard cruise missile as a missile is completely insane. Even if someone in their right mind were to do it, such missiles would only appear after the end of the Second Military Operation. How long would it take the developer, GosMKB Raduga, to almost completely redesign the missile? How long would it take DMZ to begin production of prototypes? How much testing of mock-ups and prototypes would need to be conducted? How long would it take to launch serial production? The grandchildren of current Second Military Operation participants would be going to school, or even college.
    1. 0
      12 January 2026 23: 20
      On the other hand, war accelerates R&D by an order of magnitude. That's how fast drones are progressing. The Geranium 5 model is already flying. In just three years, from 2023...
  7. +1
    3 January 2026 08: 46
    I've been thinking about this concept for a long time, but I thought of it as a means of destroying large aircraft, such as reconnaissance or AWACS aircraft, and transport aircraft that are slow and can't quickly fly out of their sector, at a distance beyond the reach of air defenses.
  8. +3
    3 January 2026 08: 55
    A simpler and less expensive solution for detecting radar emissions could be created using civilian components, such as spectrum analyzers with receiver antennas distributed across the cruise missile's body and wings.

    To an amateur everything always seems simple.
    1. 0
      12 January 2026 23: 21
      And he just does it. Then engineers come and polish it up. But the work has begun and is progressing...
  9. +1
    3 January 2026 09: 00
    .
    It is clear that we will only need external target designation in areas where our aviation does not have air superiority, since if we do, then the Kh-101VV cruise missiles are not required – our fighters will handle it themselves.
    Where does Russian aviation have air superiority? It's almost four years since the start of the SRV, and there's still no air superiority. This is an unparalleled "achievement," for which no one has been held accountable. laughing
    In all seriousness, I would advise sending our high-ranking generals to Israel for training.
    1. +2
      3 January 2026 14: 45
      They are unteachable, I would send them: some to retirement, some I would fire without a pension, and many I would send for questioning at the final qualification examination
      1. 0
        3 January 2026 16: 53
        сегодня смотрел интересную кинушку "операция боливарианский тушкан" там на пампасах и сельвах тоже было раскидано нехилое по дооперационным данным ПВО и даже ПРО местами у местных герильерос пзрк через одного на плечах висели при всем при этом вся страна знала что янки готовят бадабум а оказалось хамы-пингвины даже вертолетами на Каракас летают чартерные рейсы наверное организовали бананы тырить))не реально посоны это просто неудобно смотреть то у них сидоры-адмирылы ходют и копы на коленях у нигр смоктают а как понадобилось достали свой 45-й ковбои и бац по лбу))и по самые томаты
  10. -4
    3 January 2026 09: 15
    But, unfortunately, it seems that for the leadership of our country, the almost dysfunctional international law is a priority, even if its observance directly harms Russia and its interests.

    Apparently, if we don’t spit in the direction of the state, the article will be incomplete.
    Regarding the article's content, our government and its leadership often say and write that it is liberal. Many are outraged by this, but something tells me that under a less liberal government, some of the authors would have been locked up for panic-mongering or counterrevolutionary activity, and others would have been sent to specialized medical institutions. [XD]
    On the other hand, it's encouraging that the implementation of these people's ideas is limited to writing text on VO pages and Telegram channels.
    1. +4
      3 January 2026 12: 59
      Quote: NordOst16
      Apparently, if we don’t spit in the direction of the state, the article will be incomplete.

      What a reaction to a simple statement of facts. Perhaps, within the existing structure of the Ministry of Defense, it really is concerned with accelerating developments without which modern warfare is impossible? The state and the Ministry of Defense are inseparable, so it can be argued that priorities were, and still are, on a different plane.
      Despite understanding the role of UAVs long before the Second World War, did anyone in the Ministry of Defense draw any conclusions? The use of quadcopters as our primary strike and reconnaissance asset was forced upon us by an adversary who, according to our own data, is incapable of anything due to corruption. As a result, even now, the "small sky" is not ours, although we have achieved some success. The introduction of truly new solutions, in my opinion, is being sabotaged by industry, although commercial manufacturers have plenty of offerings. FPV drones are rapidly developing globally, much like ATGMs, from the Malyutka to semi-automatic and automatic solutions. We are relying on the ACRO mode, which is demanding on the pilot and makes it impossible to train everyone. It's ironic, because the cost of a flight controller with automatic guidance is almost the same as a standard one and requires no design work.
      I can assure you that the communications fiasco of 22 hasn't affected the emergence of the necessary unified system in the military. We're on the front lines, using semi-commercial radios whose encryption makes electronic warfare specialists smile. We've only heard about some sort of automated command and control system (ACCS) from the media, although the use of the Krapiva automated command and control system by the Ukrainian Armed Forces and its ineffectiveness has been known since 2018.
      AWACS aircraft, which we practically don't have, even for the current war. Did this only become known yesterday? Only yesterday did our sworn friends at NATO develop cheap versions with lateral AESA, based on relatively light aircraft and UAVs?
      Don't take criticism as a slap in the face. Simply acknowledge that the previous leadership of the Ministry of Defense were essentially saboteurs and criminals, and the decision-making structure under the new leadership hasn't changed much. There haven't been any noticeable systemic changes in terms of priority developments and the implementation of innovations. Everything is controlled manually and depends on the narrow focus of a small circle of people.
      1. -1
        3 January 2026 23: 05
        Quote: avdkrd
        Perhaps, within the existing structure of the Ministry of Defense, there really is a concern about accelerating developments without which modern warfare is impossible?

        I assume that such research is carried out as far as financial, human and organizational resources allow.

        Quote: avdkrd
        Despite the understanding of the role of UAVs long before the SVO, did anyone in the Ministry of Defense draw any conclusions?

        1) Who, in principle, drew the conclusions about the need to develop and produce a huge number of small UAVs? Well, except for Israel—they're the trendsetters in this area.
        2) There are failures, and our Ministry of Defense is far from ideal in this regard. The question is, do we have enough people who can do better?

        Quote: avdkrd
        Which, according to our own data, is incapable of anything due to corruption. As a result, even now, the "little sky" is not ours, although we have achieved some success.

        It should be noted that despite the "foresight" and "effective management," as well as Western intelligence, supplies of equipment and ammunition, and consultations from the best Western generals 24/7, the initiative is in the hands of the Russian Armed Forces, not the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

        Quote: avdkrd
        The introduction of truly new solutions, in my opinion, is being sabotaged by industry, although commercial manufacturers have plenty of offerings.

        Well, we're quite fraternal nations here, as the Russian Armed Forces were the first to use fiber-optic drones en masse, giving them a temporary advantage. Why not remember that?

        Quote: avdkrd
        I can assure you that the communications fiasco of 22 didn't affect the emergence of the necessary unified system in the troops. We're on the front lines, using semi-commercial radios whose encryption makes electronic warfare specialists smile.

        1) I always thought that interception and analysis of enemy communications is the job of RTR specialists, but maybe RTR and EW are handled by the same people - not specialists.
        2) It should be said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces also have certain problems with communications.
        3) Does Russia have sufficient specialists, financial, and technical resources to create such a system? After all, many companies abroad have been working on developing such systems for decades, and they're clearly well-funded. Systems for secure data exchange like OSNOD are gradually emerging, and I think it will become more widespread in the future.
        4) Even if such a system were to emerge, would our military expertise be sufficient to effectively use it (just reading some authors on VO and Telegram channels sometimes makes me doubt the competence of our military and its leadership).

        Quote: avdkrd
        We have only heard about some kind of automated control system from the media, although the use of the Krapiva automated control system by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and its ineffectiveness has been known since 2018.

        They've been trying to develop an automated control system for the Russian Armed Forces since the 2000s—the automated control system for tactical purposes—so its necessity was recognized long ago. But, in my opinion, they encountered both technical problems (a shortage of engineers and domestically produced components) and the fact that an army that doesn't particularly fight could not clearly define its needs. Incidentally, it's worth noting that the Americans encountered this same problem with their Future Combat Systems. I'm confident that the experience of the Air Defense Forces will spur the development of domestic systems.

        Quote: avdkrd
        AWACS aircraft, which we practically don't have, even for the current war. Did this only become known yesterday?

        And the corresponding work has been and continues to be carried out. News about the A-100's development began appearing in the mid-10s, and equipment development certainly began even earlier. Another issue is that domestic developers encountered problems, but the A-50 also suffered through a difficult development despite much easier conditions (funding, technological base, etc.). Our experience with the A-40 is somewhat marred by the loss of two aircraft. Furthermore, the Pentagon seems reluctant to purchase new E7s, claiming that the era of AWACS is over and that they are focusing on UAVs and satellites. Clearly, they have sufficient funds, but perhaps this is a warning sign that they need to focus on other areas.

        Quote: avdkrd
        Just yesterday, our sworn friends from NATO started producing cheap versions with side-mounted AESA, based on relatively light aircraft and UAVs?

        When did our industry acquire the capability to produce such equipment (or did it even acquire it, since until relatively recently we couldn't produce gallium nitride components suitable for use in compact radars)? It's difficult to make something good out of nothing.

        Quote: avdkrd
        Don't take criticism as a slap in the face. Simply acknowledge that the previous leadership of the Ministry of Defense were essentially saboteurs and criminals, and the decision-making structure under the new leadership hasn't changed much.

        What's the point of this criticism on the pages of VO? Are these articles read by top officials, the highest ranks of the Russian Armed Forces? Indeed, 99,9% of VO readers are ordinary citizens who, like the authors, can't change anything in the current structure. Instead, they waste unnecessary energy (without benefit to themselves, their loved ones, or the rest of the country's citizens) reading negativity. What do the authors gain other than flooding their readers with negativity? Perhaps the authors of such articles have plans for overcoming these problems and the desire to implement them?

        Quote: avdkrd
        There are few visible systemic changes regarding priority developments and the implementation of innovations. Everything is managed manually and depends on the limited involvement of a small group of people.

        Do these articles increase the number of competent engineers, managers and generals?
  11. Owl
    0
    3 January 2026 09: 46
    It was likely an R-60 launched from a Geran that shot down the Mi-24. These are the primary targets (helicopters, Yak-52 aircraft, and the like). The Geran isn't a fighter, and engaging in aerial combat with air defense aircraft isn't its job. A UAV's combat formation must include capabilities to engage both ground-based and air defense systems. There are reports of mobile fire groups being destroyed, and an Mi-24 was recently "shot down." Everything is being done correctly: targets are based on capabilities. Deploying a number of Geraniums equipped with R-60s to potentially engage low-speed air defense systems, and some Geraniums with high-explosive fragmentation warheads to destroy ground-based air defense systems, will instill uncertainty and fear in enemy personnel and possibly reduce their equipment numbers.
  12. +1
    3 January 2026 10: 43
    An engineer's thought: isn't it too complicated? I can't speak for cruise missiles; they're too expensive to be tweaked, but with the Geranium's feedback... upon detecting an enemy helicopter or light aircraft, it can turn toward it and ram it... or detonate the upgraded warhead, scattering fragments primarily in the direction of travel. Incidentally, with fighters, it's a flare to slow down and approach, followed by detonation. There'll be less incentive to approach...
  13. 0
    3 January 2026 10: 45
    Most likely, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are using a combination of sheltering combat aircraft in concrete caponiers and withdrawing aircraft from attack by dispersing them after receiving information about the start of an attack.
    The author just forgot to mention that the Ukrainian fascists are dispersing their planes to airfields in neighboring NATO countries, and that's another story. sad
    1. -2
      3 January 2026 15: 06
      I don't see any problem with bringing in agents, sending them drones and burning them.
      1. +2
        3 January 2026 20: 18
        Well, you don't see the problems, but our high-ups can't even see the railway bridge in Zaporizhzhia, 30 kilometers from the front line. And here we have NATO countries!
  14. +1
    3 January 2026 11: 15
    The author at least suggests doing something with what we have. Suggest a different concept for combating the F-16 and Mirage. Ukraine is only 1000 km by 500 km. Where they take off from and where they land can be determined, even by foot reconnaissance. We're fighting with one hand and crushing our balls with the other. We're approaching WWI, WWII, and the civil war in terms of time. We've graduated from academies, but to no avail. And almost everyone in the leadership is a savant, yet everything is falling apart. hi
    1. 0
      3 January 2026 12: 27
      How about a slightly larger Geranium-2, roughly doubling in size and weight? That is, scaling it twice would roughly double its payload capacity and allow it to carry two air-to-air missiles instead of one. However, such a Geranium would have to be equipped with two engines instead of one. The main thing is that such a Geranium would be able to target using external targeting data, from fighter airborne radars, air defense radars, and the A-50U, plus the ability to use thermal imaging and the Geranium's own AI to find and classify targets before launching an air-to-air missile.
  15. bar
    +1
    3 January 2026 12: 17
    After the cheerful statements made by some individuals at the very beginning of the special military operation (SMO) in Ukraine that the Ukrainian air force had been completely destroyed, it turned out that this statement was far from the truth, and by the end of the fourth year of the war, the Ukrainian Air Force (VVS) is still alive and kicking.

    A highly dubious statement. It could even be criminal. recourse
  16. +2
    3 January 2026 15: 02
    Why is everyone trying to complicate everything? It's some kind of ridiculous anti-aircraft cruise missile, pfft. Just coordinating things like bolt hardening, solder grade, or wiring resistance will take a year and a half, and the end result will be a cruise missile that costs 1/10th of a good aircraft.
    Taking mother geraniums with Starlinks and building them a "web" on a much larger scale than they can for us isn't even possible, it's obvious. And the question "what if it doesn't work?" can easily be answered: we send out an average of 180 of these geraniums per day. That's about 1000 per week—no shame for such a good cause! Just a couple of days ago they showed how they hit an An-26 from 250+ kilometers with a single drone (check it out: a cruise missile and a drone). Can you imagine what you could do with, say, 50 of these drones a month and using them correctly? I'm not even talking about fiber-optic drones; they're the ultimate weapon in the right hands... I won't give my enemies food for thought.
    1. +1
      3 January 2026 15: 05
      And most importantly, Starlink is actually a boon to us in this case. It doesn't work over Russia, but it certainly works over enemy territory!
      1. -1
        3 January 2026 22: 29
        Some Geraniums should be converted into low-speed aircraft hunters, using the R-60's head or a simpler one. Of course, there's a chance it could capture its own Geranium, but that's a matter of tactics. Attaching a missile to a disposable UAV is ineffective. Second, we need a UAV that can home in on an electromagnetic source to combat air defenses. Something like that. The latter task is complex, but I think it's solvable. And kicking the Russian Ministry of Defense as the customer is futile; it's a vast bureaucratic machine operating within the strict confines of federal law. In my opinion, all processes have been heavily bureaucratized; this system was created gradually, not out of malice. They wanted the best. That's enough, I think, or they'll prosecute us.
  17. +1
    3 January 2026 22: 38
    Good afternoon, and Happy New Year everyone! I'm reading these articles, trying to understand all these thoughts, but I just don't get one thing: why haven't our Aerospace Forces, which are equipped with the most advanced aircraft, suppressed enemy air defenses yet? Why do NATO forces suppress the air defenses of other countries they're fighting in the very first days of a war, while ours are still afraid to fly beyond the LBS? Something about this doesn't add up. If they, the Ukrainian Air Force, are based on foreign territory, isn't that reason to strike them? After all, they are direct participants in this war. What, a squeeze between the legs? Well, you won't achieve much with that approach.
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    1. +1
      4 January 2026 07: 45
      Well, they gave it a minus, but in vain. To defeat an air defense, three components are needed: reconnaissance, communications, and weapons. People call this the RUK – reconnaissance and strike system. NATO (and we understand the US) is fighting Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, and Iran. I remember from Iraq, where the coalition-Iraq ratio was 100 to 1 (air force combat potential versus air defense), and even more so in Yugoslavia. Plus, they were less prepared (not because they were idiots, but because of a different level of social development), and they were outdated. Naturally, they defeated the air defense. A lot has been published on this topic. We're fighting a mirror image; there are no idiots there. They know our capabilities are on an equal footing. That's one thing, but on the other, air defense is a shield and strike weapons are a sword, and the sword always pierces the shield. The future lies in the widespread use of UAVs with AI elements; as soon as they stick their heads out (turn on the emitter, drive out of the barn, etc.), they immediately fly in. It's unclear how we're supposed to "live" from here on out. We're saved by our vast territory and the UAV's weak energy (short operating time, for now). It's one thing to fight Venezuela, and another, say, with China. And here the US is clearly fear, it's not clear what will happen.
      I didn't write "afraid," I wrote a different word. That's how VO edits texts; some of our activists behave the same way, just in case something happens.
  18. +1
    4 January 2026 17: 52
    Author, what were you drinking for New Year's? Give it up. I don't even want to discuss this nonsense.
  19. -1
    5 January 2026 02: 21
    Russia is deteriorating. It began with Yeltsin and continues under Putin. This includes the Ministry of Defense. Chaos and lethargy, and above all, a lack of PEOPLE who can bring ideas and implement them in defense products. Degradation. And it all started with schools and the lack of exams, the Unified State Exam, and the virtually non-existent one-year conscription (no one really wants to serve for free, even for a year, in a capitalist country of oligarchs).
  20. 0
    5 January 2026 18: 05
    Without gaining air superiority, victory on the ground is virtually impossible.....
    Manned aircraft of the Russian Air Force practically never cross the line of contact into Ukrainian territory, which prevents them from attacking Ukrainian aircraft and helicopters that take to the air.

    That's all you need to know... :)
  21. 0
    10 January 2026 20: 25
    Author, learn the basics and don't write such utter nonsense! Strategists carry the 101 on an internal turret mount. And the modification you're proposing won't fit in the internal compartment at all. You're talking about the hull moldings—they're the tanks! Fuel tanks! And there's absolutely no room for your two imaginary missiles there. Placing the Kh-101 in your magical modification on an external mount is completely unjustified. Absolutely not. Sincerely.
  22. 0
    12 January 2026 20: 16
    So much stuff on board, and let's crash into some workshop? No, return and parachute descent! Let the Geraniums explode. And here we have a real hunter. Two terminals, two missiles, etc.