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Taman and Kantemirovskaya tank divisions recreated in Russia

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By the decision of the Minister of Defense of Russia, Tamanskaya and Kantemirovskaya, previously disbanded, were recreated tank division, the press service and information department of the Ministry of Defense reported on Saturday.



Taman and Kantemirovskaya tank divisions recreated in Russia


“The basis for their formation was, respectively, the 5th separate motorized rifle and 4th separate tank brigade, which will include a number of other military units. Divisions returned to them historical names, and parade formations of compounds will take part in the upcoming Victory Day parade on Red Square already under new combat banners, ”the message posted on the agency’s website says.

At present, the personnel of these compounds are actively engaged in receiving new types of weapons and military equipment arriving in their armaments, the ministry said.

The Taman Division was formed in July 1940. In the Great Patriotic War, she participated in the famous Smolensk battle of the year 1941. Then she took part in the Oryol-Bryansk defensive operation, defensive battles under Kursk and Tim in the battle for the Caucasus, the Novorossiysk-Taman, the Kerch-Eltigens airborne, the Crimean, Belorussian, Baltic and East Prussian operations. The combat path of the division completed 17 on April 1945 of the year on the Zemland Peninsula.

In 1999, units of the division participated in the counter-terrorist operation in the Chechen Republic as part of the United group of federal forces in the North Caucasus.

In the course of military reform in May 2009, the division was reorganized into the 5 th motorized rifle brigade of the Moscow Military District.

The Kantemirov Division was formed in June 1942 of the year in Stalingrad. The first baptism of fire received during the liberation of the village of Kantemirovka, in honor of which it received its name, participated in the battles in the Middle Don region, in the Belgorod-Kharkov direction of the Kursk Arc, in the liberation of a number of cities in right-bank Ukraine. Its units were among the first to reach the Elbe, took part in the capture of Dresden, made a swift raid into Czechoslovakia, and ended their combat path on the outskirts of Prague.

The military personnel of the compound took part in peacekeeping operations in South Ossetia, in Kosovo, in the counter-terrorist operation in the Chechen Republic.

In the course of the military reform, 2008 — 2009 was reorganized into the 4-th Separate Tank Brigade.

As specified in the Ministry of Defense, in the framework of the implementation of the instructions of the President of Russia, contained in the annual message to the Federal Assembly, the military department is currently working on the revival of names and other most famous regiments, military units, formations of previous eras, specified in the ministry.

Recall that in December last year, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that Russia needed to revive the names of famous regiments of the past, including Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky, and requested the Minister of Defense to submit relevant proposals.

At the end of March, the Ministry of Defense reported on the decision taken to give the two military units the honorary names of famous regiments of the past. "In the Russian army, two military units - the 154-th separate commandant regiment and the 130-th separate motorized rifle brigade - will be assigned honorary names - Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments, respectively," the military department said.
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  1. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 5 May 2013 06: 13 New
    37
    Divisions are returning. This is great news! And it would be absolutely wonderful if another one added to it - the arrest of Serdyukov, who destroyed these divisions ...
    1. DPN
      DPN 5 May 2013 07: 06 New
      11
      The people are generally in favor, but Medvedev and Putin are so far against.
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 5 May 2013 09: 11 New
        +4
        This GDP again repeated at the SHOW with the people. Maybe afraid for their future?
        1. Heccrbq
          Heccrbq 5 May 2013 09: 36 New
          +5
          A good performance, a bad bit ruined and dispersed everything and everything and a good vovchik all returning to normal.
          1. Nitup
            Nitup 5 May 2013 23: 22 New
            0
            And what are the dividends from such a performance for Putin?
  2. Castor oil
    Castor oil 5 May 2013 06: 25 New
    +5
    Nice Parts! Glorious Traditions! good
  3. vilenich
    vilenich 5 May 2013 06: 48 New
    10
    A regiment’s division is a perfectly debugged, almost optimal structure, run into the SA and fit into the RF Armed Forces, but changing it to a brigade that is rather bulky and difficult to manage (at least in the modern organizational structure) was just a crime!
  4. treskoed
    treskoed 5 May 2013 06: 53 New
    14
    It is necessary for the future to foresee the impossibility of eliminating the legendary compounds with a stroke of the pen of a zealous leader! It's a shame that the insidious enemy could not cope, and the "effective manager" destroyed at the moment!
  5. vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 5 May 2013 06: 55 New
    11
    Serdyukov - "mishandled Cossack" in the Russian Defense Ministry for the destruction of the Russian army under the guise of its reform. The only question is who sent him there and who should answer for this?
    1. akmoa781
      akmoa781 5 May 2013 09: 24 New
      11
      Currently, quite a large number of such "Serdyukovs" are successfully operating in Russia, their activities constitute a real threat to the national security of Russia, in addition to them there are also foreign intelligence agents introduced and successfully working in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB and the Moscow Region and in the organs state power at all levels. Counteraction does not always bring a positive result. The example of Serdyukov and his team is indicative. But our cause is just, the victory will be ours!
      1. ozs
        ozs 5 May 2013 13: 10 New
        0
        Oh well, what kind of opposition do not tell please.
        At first, the dwarf appointed him to the place of the Ministry of Defense, approved the reform, which simply finished off our army, and now it is, as it were, reviving. And you are happy about this, do not worry, a couple of years will pass, they will do back from the brigade divisions and so on ad infinitum.
  6. My address
    My address 5 May 2013 07: 03 New
    -1
    From Kantemirovskaya tanks they shot at 93-m at the parliament during the Yeltsino-Gaidar anti-constitutional coup. There are claims that Grachev bought the cars for Chubais’s money (as if Chubais had earned a penny in life), and ensigns, from the lieutenant and above, not in the business, because I did not do my direct duties. In any case, it is necessary to assess the use of the Ministry of Defense troops in the internal conflict. If the ensigns saved the honor of the division and gave way to a new Russia - on the banner depict a proud EBN against the background of a burning parliament and the inscription: “Anything for your money!”. If stained - disband the division.
    1. Zmey_2Garin
      Zmey_2Garin 5 May 2013 09: 10 New
      +7
      Tanks - they are iron and, by definition, can not be to blame. One must ask from specific people who gave the order and from those who carried out this order. So, do not rush to disband the division. And then suddenly, let this division be needed for its intended purpose - to defend the homeland, we will rush to look for it - but netuti! Disbanded her MY ADDRESS!
      1. My address
        My address 5 May 2013 10: 03 New
        +2
        Disbanding does not mean the delivery of scrap tanks, and the personnel in stock or retirement. Both should be sent to other parts. There will be no infringements on the servicemen, none of the then ... no longer serves, and those who are late ... to punish.
        I repeat, it is impossible for troops (other than the MVD) to take part in internal conflicts, this is a violation of the charters and oath, and just a crime in this case. And if the pilots were not scared, spit on everything, and at the request of Rutskoi, then they began to burn tanks with hundred-meter shortfalls and flights? And if someone else comes to mind that I will raise a couple of divisions and turn everything upside down?
        As a patriot, I am proud of the martial way of both divisions during the war. Recreation of the legendary parts is necessary, but the stained must be quietly disbanded.
        1. Beck
          Beck 5 May 2013 13: 59 New
          +6
          Quote: My address
          The disbandment does not mean the delivery of tanks to scrap, but the personnel in reserve or retirement. Send both to other parts


          Either thought is flawed, or else what?

          The names of divisions and military units are not for distinction from each other. For difference, there are serial numbers.

          These names are the combat history of the compounds. These names were obtained in fierce battles with a fierce enemy. These names are the blood and lives of fallen soldiers. These names are the glory and valor of the Armed Forces. These names are eternal memory to those who fought for their homeland. These names catch their breath and sharpen pride. Without these names, a worthy future generation cannot be nurtured.
        2. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 5 May 2013 14: 28 New
          +3
          Why disband, when in practice the army of the USSR, and now we can talk to Russia, there is such a thing as the removal from the military unit for unworthy misconduct of the personnel of the guard. There were such examples; he himself served in such a unit.
          But this method of punishment must be approached very carefully. The guards rank is a merit of fathers and grandfathers and it needs to be treated with care.
    2. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq 5 May 2013 09: 37 New
      +2
      How many lived these tank crews who shot the parliament?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 5 May 2013 09: 57 New
        +2
        They signed up for a trip to Grozny with Avturkhanov. Looks like the money for the shot "White House" quickly ended. And you quickly get used to them.
    3. vdenisov56
      vdenisov56 5 May 2013 13: 51 New
      +1
      If the whole Army is stained in 93m, can it be disbanded?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 5 May 2013 21: 09 New
        0
        Quote: My address
        If the ensigns saved the honor of the division and gave the way to the new Russia - on the banner depict the proud EBN against the backdrop of the burning parliament and the inscription: "Anything for your money!". If tarnished - disband the division.
        You tell the veterans who liberated Prague what to draw on the banner. If in the 93rd they set the whole country as cancer --- there is no reason to threaten the military relic of this illustrious unit. There was information that some units would be given to them along with the return of the divisions .In the article about this and about the staffing, not a word, therefore: the article is still +, I consider the decision to return the names to be right. All a Happy Holiday! And “Kantikov” and “Tamanians” and for the victory! drinks )))
        1. vilenich
          vilenich 6 May 2013 05: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          I think the decision to return the names is correct

          Nobody really argues with the return of names, it’s a good thing, but why call the brigade a division, this is absolutely not clear (the brigade remains in composition)!
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 05: 25 New
            +1
            I agree, and I just wanted to write to you yesterday, but somehow .... with the staff is complete nonsense.
            Quote: vilenich
            I think the decision to return the names is correct
            What’s the matter here. I read the other day that the regiments will be returned the names, so I'm glad that Ternopolsky, Shepetovsmsky and others will live. And they will give some units. What ...? request Although, with the eternal reform after the parade, they can again rename it to fit the modern look. Everything is muddled somehow.
            1. vilenich
              vilenich 6 May 2013 06: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              What’s the matter here. I read the other day that the regiments will be returned the names

              So there are no regiments in divisions ...
              Quote: Spade
              At the moment, these are “divisions” of a four-battalion composition.
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 06: 40 New
                +1
                This disagreement puzzles me. And here, in the comments, someone said that you can’t restore the division, you sold all the extra objects, because the land in the Moscow region is expensive. I can’t imagine how this can be done. The division is compactly located behind a high fence. , but imagine that on the territory cottages will grow up or in an extra box an auto repair shop --- nonsense will open.
                Quote: vilenich
                So there are no regiments in divisions ...
                Maybe the battalions will be renamed into regiments. The brigade was renamed into the division. Unfortunately, I have NO other explanations.
                1. vilenich
                  vilenich 6 May 2013 07: 04 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  The division is compactly located behind a high fence.

                  From the previous experience of the Deriban, I think there are no problems. They carry out the alienation of a piece of the town and transfer it to the local authorities, followed by the Durban (possibly a huge number of options).
                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  cottages will grow on the territory or in an extra box an auto repair shop --- nonsense will open.

                  On the contrary, it seems to me that you have outlined a very real picture, because no one will contain unnecessary objects of material and technical base, residential / non-residential buildings.
                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  Maybe the battalions will be renamed to the regiments.

                  This is not at all funny. Now, if only they form shelves at their base.
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 07: 12 New
                    +1
                    Quote: vilenich
                    if only they form shelves on their base.
                    Yes, it’s logical to be called a division. PSA to move all the “settlers” to the shooting range, there are even more places there (just kidding))
                    1. vilenich
                      vilenich 6 May 2013 07: 24 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Thunderbolt
                      Yes, it’s logical to be called a division.

                      But it’s really funny to call the brigade a division and proclaim it a return to the divisional structure. Not even so funny as bitter and sad.
                      I only hope that the organizational events are issued in a staggered directive, and we simply do not know the detailed plan for the formation of full-blooded divisions in the near future!
                      1. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 07: 44 New
                        +1
                        Quote: vilenich
                        a detailed plan for the formation of full-blooded divisions in the near future!
                        In general, these 2 divisions have always been in some good sense "experimental." And if you recreate that you have so badly collapsed, you just have to rejoice very much. Just a little info, 1 modest press release. In the near future we will find out how it really then the thing!
                      2. vilenich
                        vilenich 6 May 2013 09: 03 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        In the near future we will find out how it really is!

                        Let's hope for the best. Let's wait - we'll see!
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 5 May 2013 07: 03 New
    +5
    Maybe they will equip the town, they will remember about the veterans of the division,
    So the new commanders are swaggering.
    And we participated in all the "bundles" and conflicts.
  • max-02215
    max-02215 5 May 2013 08: 06 New
    +7
    Naive people, you might think that Taburetkin could make such important decisions himself, note that no government officials condemn the "reform" activities — talk is only about theft. I think they saw that reform is leading nowhere and the army is completely gone, we decided to do it “as it was,” just as it will ..... It’s insulting for the state, and it will be insulting while we are in the hands of a Jewish-oligarchic group. Who do these pro-Westerners take as an example? From those who, victories now in their history, are really plainly lacking.
  • Normal
    Normal 5 May 2013 08: 18 New
    16
    Christ is risen, Orthodox! Happy holiday to you!

    Congratulations to all on the reconstruction of the divisions in the armed forces, on the triumph of common sense.
    I think that in this there is also our (albeit very small fraction) merit. Only by criticizing the actions of the leadership, only by protesting against its clearly erroneous, and often simply criminal decisions and actions, can this leadership be forced to change its course even slightly and adjust its position. Shouting "Glory to Putin" and "There is no alternative to Putin" for the better, nothing can be changed.
    I hope that the reconstruction of the divisions will be a real thing, and not just another PR action in response to the outrage at the actions of the former Minister of Defense.
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    3. Corsair
      Corsair 5 May 2013 10: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: Normal
      Christ is risen, Orthodox! Happy holiday to you!

      Truly risen!
      Article and your comment +
    4. Gari
      Gari 5 May 2013 15: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: Normal
      Christ is risen, Orthodox! Happy holiday to you!



      On the occasion of you Orthodox Christians - brothers in faith!
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 5 May 2013 08: 20 New
    +9
    Yes, how many illustrious, having guard and other honorary titles aviation regiments turned into faceless air bases with indigestible numbers. On the examples of whose victories and sacrifices during the period of defense of the country, new generations were going to bring up?
    1. Zmey_2Garin
      Zmey_2Garin 5 May 2013 08: 57 New
      +2
      Sorry !!! I wanted to put you (+), but I made a mistake with a button. Excuse me, for God's sake!
  • genzik161
    genzik161 5 May 2013 08: 20 New
    10
    Names of Divisions, Regiments, Armies, Units should be appropriated for life, so that neither rulers, laws, ministers, nor reforms can break and erase glorious military traditions with a stroke of the pen
  • VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 5 May 2013 08: 48 New
    +2
    Divisions return, and regiments? Will the newly formed divisions be regimental or brigade composition?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 5 May 2013 09: 35 New
      +3
      At the moment, these are “divisions” of a four-battalion composition.
      1. vilenich
        vilenich 5 May 2013 12: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        At the moment, these are “divisions” of a four-battalion composition.

        But this is really cool! What a division! Or, nevertheless, they plan to reorganize the organizational structure of the division of the regiment, otherwise what is the point of changing the name, the same brigade remains ...
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 5 May 2013 12: 33 New
          +3
          It is impossible to restore the divisions in their old form. Too much to build. Moreover, in the suburbs with its high land prices. You yourself understand that everything remaining after the "reorganization" was quickly sold out.

          It is also impossible to include other brigades in the divisions, the 20th Army, which includes Kantemirovskaya and Tamanskaya, has only four combined-arms brigades, two tank and two motorized rifle submissions.

          So most likely it will be divisions with staff of brigades.
          1. ozs
            ozs 5 May 2013 13: 15 New
            0
            continue to believe in the good intentions of our government and you will not have to watch such a sad circus.
          2. vilenich
            vilenich 5 May 2013 14: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            So most likely it will be divisions with staff of brigades.

            Then it's really sad! Yes, and all the beginnings of the new MO are discredited and I want to look at them from a new angle, discarding the whole euphoric positive.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 5 May 2013 14: 33 New
              +3
              If we discard all the euphoric positives, there is a strong impression that the leadership of the Defense Ministry simply does not know what the organizational structure of the troops should be.
              That's all.
              On the one hand, they themselves are to blame, on the other, they have a corny lack of baseline data. After all, even the term of service of conscripts and the number of draftees seriously affect the OSH.
              1. vilenich
                vilenich 5 May 2013 20: 40 New
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                On the one hand, they themselves are to blame, on the other, they have a corny lack of baseline data.

                If there is not enough initial data, then why was it necessary to voice the reinstatement of the SV division structure! After all, you do not need to be seven spans in the forehead to clearly say that this is unrealizable in a 2-3-4 month period.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 5 May 2013 21: 49 New
                  +1
                  Quote: vilenich
                  If there is not enough initial data, then why was it necessary to voice the reinstatement of the SV division structure! After all, you do not need to be seven spans in the forehead to clearly say that this is unrealizable in a 2-3-4 month period.

                  This is not their decision. All claims to the Commander.
                  I am sure that the General Staff recognize the stupidity of the situation with this "return of the name."
                  1. vilenich
                    vilenich 6 May 2013 05: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: Spade
                    I am sure that the General Staff recognize the stupidity of the situation with this "return of the name."

                    Once again, the military are becoming victims of the populism of politicians! There are not enough words ...
            2. ozs
              ozs 5 May 2013 14: 54 New
              0
              And what did you think, for five years the army, under the supervision of his boss Serdyukov, disbanded the army, and then the boss changed his mind and decided to appoint another mo and now everything is on sale, idiocy and wrecking will stop? It's very stupid to think so, nothing has changed, the usual rotation. A couple of years will pass and the stool will sit in an armchair of some kind of state corporation, such examples are a lot of Kiriyenko, Chubais, etc.

              The funny thing and at the same time very sad is that there are fewer sane people left. People are happy about delivering a dozen planes, dressing up the army several times a year, but for some reason they forget that when the stool was disbanded, you also approved it, as well as the Mistals, Iveks and other complete nonsense, and now you are happy to cancel these decisions.
    2. Ilhar
      Ilhar 5 May 2013 15: 27 New
      0
      Shelves will be in Taman. True, not everyone who was there. But 1 and 15 motorized rifle regiments will return. Another thing is interesting what they will be. Expanded or reduced composition !?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 5 May 2013 08: 52 New
    +6
    Only for the disbandment of combat units Serdyukov can be recognized as a TRAITER!
    1. avt
      avt 5 May 2013 10: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      Only for the disbandment of combat units Serdyukov can be recognized as a TRAITER!

      request The prime minister of all the bears said that he had no questions for him. request Well, the fact that we are not the 37th year, said the tavarisch ... oh, what a man. request Although, if he had brought Serdyuk to a zugunder, his rating would have been unkillable.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 5 May 2013 12: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: avt
        The prime minister of all the bears said that he had no questions for him. Well, the fact that we are not the 37th year, said the tavarisch ... oh, what a man.

        I repeat ..... Serdyukov cannot be planted a priori. Because he will have to open his mouth and plant everyone, because they eat from one bowl. There is a need. If he drops out of the window after looking at a salute, the brakes will fail or something in that sense I won’t be surprised!
        And Serdyukov did not sit down, and the power is clean !!
  • Zmey_2Garin
    Zmey_2Garin 5 May 2013 08: 53 New
    +8
    Christ is Risen, Orthodox!
    To me, who served as an emergency in the Kantemirovskaya division (1977-79), this news is like a balm for the soul! At one time, and with the Tamanians at the divisional tactical exercises in the Gorokhovets center had to fight. So, definitely, great news on the bright holiday of Easter.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 5 May 2013 09: 10 New
      +4
      Happy for you. The Lord is with you! And so be it forever! For Russia!
  • Blazard
    Blazard 5 May 2013 08: 58 New
    +4
    Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments ... The time of palace coups is approaching laughing
  • OCD
    OCD 5 May 2013 09: 11 New
    +7
    I am very glad that the Taman and Kantemirov divisions have been restored. My grandfather fought the whole war in the Taman Division. But Serdyukov and all his camarilla are traitors, they are enemies of the people. Stalin is not like that.
    1. Gari
      Gari 5 May 2013 16: 02 New
      +1
      During the war, there was still the 89th Rifle Taman Red Banner Order of the Red Star Division. One of the 6 Armenian divisions (the most famous) in the USSR Armed Forces.
      Formed on December 14, 1941 in Yerevan, Armenia (ZakVO) as the 474th Infantry Division (under the Decree of the GKO No. 935 of November 22, 1941). On December 26, 1941 it was renamed the 89th Infantry Division.
      In October 1943, the honorary title "Taman" was awarded for the performance of combat missions of the division. One of its regiments, led by Lt. Col. Yervand Karapetyan, broke through the enemy’s defensive line on Mount Dolgaya in the Taman Peninsula. Here, in the battles for the liberation of the Kuban, Sgt. Hunan Avetisyan, saving his comrades, covered the embrasure of the bunker with his body and stepped into immortality. In addition to him, the titles of the Hero of the Soviet Union in these battles were awarded to Suren Arakelyan and Jagan Karakhanyan.
      For the liberation of Kerch, the Division received the Order of the Red Star. The Crimean operation, and in particular the Sevastopol campaign in May of the same year brought the division the Order of the Red Banner, in these battles 5 soldiers were awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union and two regiments became known as “Sevastopol”.
      The 89-th Armenian Taman thrice-bearing rifle division - the only one of all national formations took part in the Storm of Berlin [2], and defeated a strong garrison, which was strengthened in the center of the capital, in Humboldt-Hein. For this operation, the division was awarded the Order of Kutuzov II degree.
      After the capture of Berlin, near the walls of the Reichstag, the Armenian soldiers, soldiers of the 89th Armenian division of General Safaryan, near the defeated Reichstag with weapons in their hands, danced their victorious “Kochari” to the sounds of zurna.

      After the war, the Taman division returned to Armenia and became part of the Transcaucasian Military District. In total, during the war the division traveled 7250 km, of which 3640 - with battles. Freed more than 900 settlements. More than 12 thousand soldiers were awarded orders and medals, 9 of them became Heroes of the Soviet Union. In the year 1956. the national divisions of the USSR Armed Forces were disbanded, including the 89th.
  • minimum
    minimum 5 May 2013 09: 22 New
    +5
    Today divisions, tomorrow brigades, the day after tomorrow again divisions. It seems that I’m not observing state reform, but a lady or playing in the sandbox. Such inconsistency is serious and dangerous already in the course of the reform. If you are already engaged in the brigade principle, then you need to finish, and not roll back everything. A new minister will come and what's next, will introduce brigades again? And then, quite by the way possible)
    1. vilenich
      vilenich 5 May 2013 12: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: minimum
      A new minister will come and what's next, will introduce brigades again? And then, quite by the way possible)

      There is a simple way out, forcing the culprits and initiators of unsuccessful reforms to pay, and if there is nothing to pay, then they will put money until there is money.
      Not a panacea of ​​course, but many hotheads will cool!
  • AndreyAB
    AndreyAB 5 May 2013 09: 34 New
    +3
    And who is responsible for the destruction of units and the memory of military victories - why are they trying to judge with us only for money, but for scolding traditions and memory of the people, for destroying the armed forces as a combat unit? After all, not only stools participated in this, why are they not jurisdictional?
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 5 May 2013 09: 41 New
    +2
    As specified in the Ministry of Defense, in the framework of the implementation of the instructions of the President of Russia, contained in the annual message to the Federal Assembly, the military department is currently working on the revival of names and other most famous regiments, military units, formations of previous eras, specified in the ministry.


    And all our armed forces will become guards. Profanation. However, it is quite in the modern trend to depreciate awards and titles. If Putin got to Valor, then why would the guards be sorry.

    You give the assignment of the title "Guards" to the native Russian Ministry of Defense.
  • SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 5 May 2013 09: 42 New
    +2
    Stalin is not enough, that's for sure. And the news is just excellent. Glory to the Tamans and Kantemirovs !!!
  • urich
    urich 5 May 2013 10: 06 New
    +2
    For some reason, no one in the comments paid attention to the fact that the divisions and names were returned, but the Battle Banners were not returned to them! The new flags do not carry the spirit that was in these illustrious compounds! This is a half return! In fact, without the Battle Banners, these are new connections, with a new history. And this story will be written from scratch.
    This is the same thing that the names of the Preobrazhensky and Semenovsky regiments returned. There are heroic names. There is a story. But this is the story of not newly created parts and formations.
    Even in the new edition of the provisions on the Battle Banner it is said:
    3. The Banner of War is retained by the military unit for the whole time regardless of the change in the name and numbering of the military unit. Changes in the name and numbering of the military unit are recorded in the Certificate of the President of the Russian Federation issued upon delivery of the Battle Banner
    I believe that if famous compounds were recreated, then on the basis of THIS edition approved by the PRESIDENT of the Russian Federation, the glorious Battle Banners should have been returned. Otherwise, we have what we have. Old name and new education. Forgive me Tamanka and Kantemirovka military personnel ...
  • 120352
    120352 5 May 2013 10: 09 New
    +6
    Serdyukov, who disbanded not only these two divisions, but also left Russia without any armed forces at all, acted, understandably, not at his own discretion, but carried out someone else’s order. I even guess whose. He, of course, must answer for his deed, like the one who gave him these orders, and now hides him from justice under the guise of a witness and even a victim.
    Our fatherland, despite the peacefulness and natural conflict-free nature of the Russian people, has always been famous for its ability to defend itself. This is our collective unconscious, our essence, and attempts to deprive people of their essential attributes, culture are equivalent to attempts to destroy the people themselves. Those who brought our Fatherland to the current state of defense must answer to the people, like its traitors!
  • il grand casino
    il grand casino 5 May 2013 10: 13 New
    +3
    Father served there, I'll tell him let him rejoice!
  • tradizia
    tradizia 5 May 2013 11: 10 New
    +3
    Tamanskaya and Kantemirovskaya tank divisions recreated in Russia!
    This is only pleasing!
    It's time to restore the Cossack brands!
    Happy Easter you Orthodox!
    Christ is Risen!
  • nekeesh
    nekeesh 5 May 2013 11: 37 New
    +2
    It is right that historical names were returned to the divisions. But why was it originally to rename them.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 5 May 2013 12: 51 New
    +2
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    Christ is risen, Orthodox! Happy holiday to you!

    Quote: Corsair
    Truly risen!

    Quote: Zmey_2Garin
    Christ is Risen, Orthodox!

    Quote: tradizia
    Christ is Risen!


    TRUE SUNDAY !!!


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    "Taman and Kantemirovskaya tank divisions recreated in Russia"

    Fighting large-scale operations has not yet been canceled. And they are quite possible. So that recreation of divisions categorically welcome !!!

    The division, consisting of independent regiments, has proved its effectiveness in practice both in terms of self-sufficiency and in terms of efficiency both for classic combat and in modern conditions.
    Who prevents keeping the 1-2 regiment and separate divisions in the division deployed? Why it is impossible to do BTGr and their rotation both inside and between regiments ??? - This is the answer for lovers of gangs.

    The brigade structure of building the NE also has its place in the Armed Forces, BUT NOT AS DOMINATING !!! And then the existing brigades are, by and large, a motorized rifle regiment with a bloated staff of attached divisions of almost divisional scale.
    Recent KShU have proved that the interaction of the regiments of one division is much more coordinated than the interaction of individual brigades.
    Separate brigades - brigade tasks, divisions - relevant. And the divisions would not have been hindered by their own helicopter regiment.
    In the three-link control system (District - Operational Command - Brigade), the lower part is completely lame.
    Who is stopping the Operational Command from “steering” both divisions and individual brigades at the same time? After all, OK tasks can be different. And the potential theater of operations in us will vary like heaven and earth, respectively, will be different: strategy, operational art and tactics.

    Of course, a new one needs to be created in the army, but with due regard and many years of experience, and not as “fashionable” at the moment.
    A stool is only for count, for count, for count !!!

    And this good news immediately raises a bunch of questions, for a glance a few:
    - What are the tasks of the divisions?
    - What will be their staff?
    - What will be their place in the Okrug - OK - Brigade management system?
    1. ixsus
      ixsus 5 May 2013 14: 21 New
      +1
      Well said!
  • ed1968
    ed1968 5 May 2013 13: 30 New
    +2
    great news guys good Happy Holidays CHRIST RISEN
  • saygon66
    saygon66 5 May 2013 13: 49 New
    0
    - Really got down to the mind ?! So maybe ours, the 1 proletarian, Moscow and Minsk, will be restored?
    1. ozs
      ozs 5 May 2013 15: 05 New
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      Of course they will restore, as is usually the case. An official from mo will say that they restored on tv will show a couple of colorful videos, and on this site they will write a note about this.
      Well, as usual, full pants of joy, despite the reality.
      And the reality is very bad. Since 1985, they began to destroy the army, and by 2012 there was nothing left of it.
      In 2008 they did what the remnants of the Soviet army were capable of and were dumbfounded, it was still able to fight. Well, they gave the command to Taburetkin to reform the army, to the level of amusing regiments. The reform was idiocy going off scale and reached its climax, well, and removed Serdyukov, put less zealous mo. The scenario has already been worked out more than once, and even at higher rank managers. First humpbacked, then an alcoholic who ruined everything around, and then the more predictable current one.
  • ixsus
    ixsus 5 May 2013 13: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: genzik161
    so that neither rulers, nor laws, nor ministers, nor the ongoing reforms could violate and erase the glorious military traditions with a stroke of the pen

    I absolutely agree +
    And disband, only if they disgrace themselves on the battlefield by betrayal or flight.
    Article + Very happy!
    Christ is Risen!
  • vdenisov56
    vdenisov56 5 May 2013 13: 58 New
    +3
    If this is an indicator of a change in the Military Concept, then I'm glad! And if the next PR move, then at least veterans will be pleased.
    1. ixsus
      ixsus 5 May 2013 14: 22 New
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      I would like to hope so.
  • ixsus
    ixsus 5 May 2013 14: 18 New
    +1
    But how was it possible to disband such divisions at all. Guard and combat-ready. With a similar history of military merit.
    1. ozs
      ozs 5 May 2013 15: 10 New
      +1
      As well as selling property or buying Mistrals, Iveks, holding parades with NATO, etc. A lot of things can be listed, only nothing will change from this.
  • Ilhar
    Ilhar 5 May 2013 15: 31 New
    +1
    It was first necessary to restore the infrastructure of military camps. Convection for officers office housing or dormitory. Now officers began to arrive, but there was nowhere to place them ... As always, they don’t pay for housing. In a word, everything is as usual, through one place
  • crambol
    crambol 5 May 2013 15: 55 New
    +1
    No one is allowed to destroy the glory of the Russian Army!
  • nat2000
    nat2000 5 May 2013 20: 45 New
    +1
    IN THIS AND THE WHOLE PUTINSKY REFORM WILL CANCEL THEN AGAIN-SUBMISSIONS
  • Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 5 May 2013 23: 22 New
    +1
    Good news. But when will the rot-Serdyukov be pressed with a fingernail?