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A billion rubles will be spent on repairing the Aurora

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The authorities are planning to carry out the dock and factory repair of the cruiser with the maximum preservation of the historical appearance. At the same time, the Aurora can become a training ship for cadets of the Kronstadt Marine Corps and cadets of the Nakhimov School. In particular, the mess room is planned to be added to the classroom, and in the cockpits, cadets and Nakhimovs will be able to live and learn, "passing the first ship practice at the legendary Aurora".


In early February, 2013, it was reported that the Ministry of Defense of Russia intends to carry out the Aurora dock repair, the estimated cost of which is about 400 million rubles. According to the preliminary repair plan, it was planned to restore the unsinkability of the cruiser and the functionality of all its systems. It was also reported that ship repairs could begin as early as September 2013 of the year and be completed by the summer of 2014.

After the dock repair, it was planned to carry out a partial restoration of the Aurora. These works, the duration of which will be about three years, were already estimated at seven billion rubles. In particular, it was planned to install navigation equipment, communications equipment and radio equipment, as well as a diesel-electric power plant on the ship.

The cruiser Aurora was laid in September 1896 of the year and launched in May 1900 of the year. With a length of 126,8 meter, a width of 16,8 meter and a draft of 6,4 meter, the ship could reach speeds up to the 19,2 node, and its range was about four thousand miles.

At the time of the adoption of the Russian Empire in the Navy, the Aurora had eight 152 caliber guns, 24 mm 75 caliber, eight mm 37 caliber and two millimeter 63,5 caliber. In addition, the cruiser had three torpedo tubes caliber 381 millimeter. From the Russian Navy, the ship was withdrawn in 2010, and the battle crew left the cruiser in October 2012.
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  1. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 May 2013 12: 43 New
    0
    Caliber and Dagger put?)))
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 4 May 2013 13: 37 New
      29
      I see no reason for irony. Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.
      1. avt
        avt 4 May 2013 13: 44 New
        -2
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.

        It seems to me that under the guise of restoration, they stupidly want to tear it away from the parking lot, so they put it on the move and let the Nakhimov swim. It's just that you can’t cut it into metal, well, we will restore it so nobly, so that no one will know. Well, they won’t put the Nakhimov’s firemen to the firebox? request So those who think about returning to their historical appearance, forget it. The liquidation of the symbol of the revolution at the budget expense. And the monument will be destroyed and the dough will be raised.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 4 May 2013 17: 05 New
          +5
          In the photo, the relationship of the "probable partner" to the history of its own Navy. I am ashamed to admit, but there is something to learn ... Aurora passed a nursing home in the 80s. And it was NOT cheap and NOT fast.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 4 May 2013 17: 10 New
            +3
            or so ...
            I'm not talking about the "views" of New York ....
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 4 May 2013 17: 19 New
              +3
              Somewhere there was a photo with a perspective ... so there is a whole flotilla of museum ships!
          2. Col.
            Col. 4 May 2013 22: 21 New
            +3
            Quote: dmitreach
            Aurora passed a drinking room in 80's. And it was NOT cheap and NOT fast.


            I was just studying at the Naval Academy when the Aurora was being repaired. Already then, in the 1986-89 years, it was known (though this did not get into the press) that almost one name remained from the historical cruiser. The remains of the real Aurora were flooded in the vicinity of Brooks base. What is now standing in the “eternal parking lot” is actually a model of the ship. We saved a fragment of the add-on and something else on the little things. About this several times over the past six months, talked on the radio "Star".
            1. sv100year
              sv100year 4 May 2013 22: 28 New
              +5
              twenty-five again. on the Aurora we changed the underwater part of the hull. the above-water part of the hull, superstructure, the deck deck are original. we, for example, are now repairing MRK and skr. when repairing, a lot of iron, mechanisms and equipment changes, this does not mean that we make another ship.
              1. sleepy
                sleepy 4 May 2013 22: 39 New
                +2
                Quote: Colonel
                "... that from the historical cruiser practically remained
                one name. The remains of this "Aurora" flooded
                in the Sestroretsk district ... "

                Quote: sv100year
                "Twenty-five again.
                The Aurora changed the underwater hull.
                The surface of the hull, superstructure, deck deck - the original ... "


                What a steady myth, more stable than hearing
                about the wedding of Romanov’s daughter on the dishes from the Hermitage.

                A lie repeated many times becomes true
                taught the head of Nazi propaganda Joseph Goebbels.

                If there is a lie, then someone needs it, there is no smoke without fire.
            2. dmitreach
              dmitreach 4 May 2013 23: 06 New
              +3
              Well, this "open secret" has already been rubbed many times. Yes. There is a cut and flooded bottom. The boilers were dismantled (they were generally for a certain grade of coal), some bulkheads were cut. But to say that Aurora is a mockup is the same sort of bust.
              1. Col.
                Col. 4 May 2013 23: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: dmitreach
                But to say that Aurora is a mockup is the same sort of bust.


                There is no search. At the end of the 80, we, the WMA students, were told about that “repair” and about the mass of souvenirs, their parts made, fragments of the cruiser. They brought copper rivets from the casing, the size of a liter jar ...
                "The further fate of these fragments is completely unclear. But it is unlikely that something will be officially undertaken, otherwise then they will start talking about the layout opposite the Nakhimov School, revered by tourists as a true and genuine symbol of the 1917 revolution of the year." This is an excerpt from the article: http://darkcjc.livejournal.com/437845.html
                1. dmitreach
                  dmitreach 4 May 2013 23: 38 New
                  +2
                  Well I said: everything has been known for a long time. Do you want to believe that the whole cruiser on the needles shared - believe. I dare not violate the "sacred dogmas about all polymers."
                  However, here is the question from Eritic: how much does it cost to create a full-sized, detailed layout, in Soviet reality?
                  I’ll hint: it seems like 1:10, the MiG models for the film “Golden Eye” (007) are one of the most expensive models in the history of cinema. For its time - an event.
                  Another example is the scandalous film with Harrison Ford about our K-19. So there the directors generally sculpted a model from plastic and polystyrene, and at the base there was some decommissioned real boat. And the same was worth a little less than "dohren".
                  1. Col.
                    Col. 5 May 2013 00: 11 New
                    -1
                    Quote: dmitreach
                    Do you want to believe that the whole cruiser on the needles shared - believe.


                    "Want to be happy - be it!"
                    Want to believe that the cruiser is real - believe it!

                    Here, listen, for doubters it is popularly told: http://радио-звезда.рф/teper-budu-znat/1063/
                    Click the "listen to podcast" player.
                    1. sv100year
                      sv100year 5 May 2013 01: 30 New
                      +5
                      you can listen to what they say on this radio every night, and I listened to what the repair participants said. Since the 99th year I have been working at the factory, and I found the repair participants, they still work now. Time does not spare anything, and if change something on the ship, it’s called repair. if the ship has completely changed the rotten and completely underwater part, this does not mean that the ship was rebuilt again.
                    2. dmitreach
                      dmitreach 5 May 2013 02: 16 New
                      +2
                      from the principle, I was bothered by registering on the radio site ... some zhurnalyugi fallen to cheap sensations.
                      At the end of the podcast, a phrase for fans of tabloids and other things Rentv:
                      Yes ... That's it ... It turns out that the real cruiser Aurora is flooded in the Gulf of Finland.

                      Do not bring Igor Prokopenko as ideological followers. They will laugh. And know how to separate the "gossip" from the "Information".

                      As you can see, most mud-call screamers refer to “concrete case”, “concrete pedestal”, “cut bottom”, “pristine look” ... Therefore, if you hear from such an opinion - spit in shameless Zenki, for, and tear out the vile language.
                      Where did all these opinions come from? I answer - for two reasons. No, you need to start not from here ... but rather from the beginning of the Aurorie biography. So, the cruiser was far from the most successful. In his life he underwent many repairs and rearmament .....
                      .........
                      That is why the underwater part was replaced with a normal steel one (if they didn’t lie to us - using 10HSND steel) - while preserving the curly cast bronze pins and the frame of the steering wheel feather. Now the thickness of the underwater skin is 30-35 mm (that's a lot!).

                      http://sir-nigel.livejournal.com/131268.html
                      Learn MatPart.
                2. sleepy
                  sleepy 4 May 2013 23: 51 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Colonel
                  "... In the late 80s, we, the listeners of VMA, were told about that" repair "and about ..."

                  Unfortunately (as V. Matvienko said), the direct participants in that repair are still alive.

                  Until the very last days of the USSR, instructors were told to the party school instructors about the wedding of Romanov’s daughter on the fragments of dishes
                  from the Hermitage. It is believed that these were echoes of Gorbachev’s undercover fight with Romanov.
                  However, the discussion of this topic cannot affect public opinion, which has not yet got rid of the myth of royal dishes from the Hermitage at the daughter’s wedding ...
                3. psdf
                  psdf 5 May 2013 11: 44 New
                  0
                  Yes, in the early 90s they talked about this all over the country ...
                  And also about the fact that instead of Lenin in the mausoleum - a wax doll lies.
                  And all in a serious tone, with all the responsibility.
                  1. dmitreach
                    dmitreach 5 May 2013 13: 56 New
                    +1
                    Sergei Kuryokhin's famous show that Lenin is a Mushroom! Soviet classic!
        2. Homo
          Homo 4 May 2013 17: 54 New
          +3
          avt! First, get the habit of reading articles to the end. Secondly, do not read between the lines. Thirdly, do not consider everyone dumber than yourself!
        3. DPN
          DPN 4 May 2013 19: 34 New
          0
          Perhaps you are right, in this case it may just get lost somewhere.
        4. smile
          smile 5 May 2013 03: 10 New
          +1
          avt
          I really hope that this is precisely the rare case when you are wrong ... I think there is no reason for such pessimism in this case ...
          1. avt
            avt 5 May 2013 12: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: smile
            I really hope that this is precisely the rare case when you are wrong ... I think there is no reason for such pessimism in this case ...

            I myself would be glad to be mistaken, but I remember the previous “repair” and photographs of the cut off rotting hull on the shore. Even those published in the “Youth Technique” of those years. By the way, they didn’t “miraculously” find the cruiser in the abandoned remains of the board. Can anyone know her fate? The fact that she was inserted into the updated bottom is not accepted. I’ll pick up some more minuses. And what will the cruiser’s historical appearance be restored to? The original building? After the Tsushima repair? Modernization before October 1917? Or restoration after the Civil War? Who will actually establish which of the periods is truly historical? Although there are historians for such loot.
            1. Kars
              Kars 5 May 2013 12: 35 New
              0
              Quote: avt
              Upgrades before October 1917?

              as at the time of the historic shot, the goddess didn’t do anything special.
      2. ughhh
        ughhh 4 May 2013 14: 20 New
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        Quote: Sakhalininets
        I see no reason for irony. Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.

        Swell billions to float an ancient, rusty piece of history. Why should he swim? Personally, it seems to me that he looks pretty good in his current place, welded to the pier. Tint, perhaps, to stand another hundred years.
        And for these grandmas you can build a modern corvette, for example.

        And if you scatter Ahulyards to restore history, then wow what kind of projects you can invent. Cities of any kind to raise from the ashes.
        1. Grossfater
          Grossfater 4 May 2013 18: 49 New
          +4
          The story should be like that - what it was. Otherwise, others will write it.
        2. sleepy
          sleepy 4 May 2013 20: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: ughhh
          "Swell billions to float an ancient, rusty piece of history.
          Why should he swim? Personally, it seems to me that he looks pretty good in his current place, welded to the pier. Tint, perhaps, to stand still a hundred years ... "


          It’s bad that billions are being pumped into projects that are in the USSR
          cost much cheaper.

          "... On a historic ship built in 1903, a participant in three wars
          and two revolutions in addition to docking worth about 400 million rubles, it is planned to carry out restoration work in the amount of
          about 7 billion rubles (more than 220 million dollars).
          As I remembered (for comparison), one of the engineers factory
          participated in the overhaul of the ship in 1984-1987,
          then "all the costs fit into 32 million full-fledged Soviet rubles,
          it amounted to less than $ 50 million, and the volume of work performed on the conversion of the ship under project 01917 was disproportionately higher. " http://flot.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=144370
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 4 May 2013 22: 29 New
            0
            Quote: ughhh
            "... Personally, it seems to me that he looks quite good in his current place, welded to the pier. To tint, except to stand another hundred years ..."


            Rumors that the cruiser Aurora is on a concrete base are based on the fact that the underwater part of the cruiser was not disposed of and is in a flooded state near the village of Ruchey.
            At some regular Plenum in the USSR, the issue of restoration work on the cruiser was on the agenda. Various options were proposed, up to placing the cruiser in a dry dock, as the hull of the cruiser Aurora was in disrepair.
            But the political decision prevailed - the cruiser should remain on the move and be able to reach America in the future.
            As a result, the underwater part was completely replaced.
            However, no one dared to take responsibility for checking the seaworthiness of the cruiser after repair, since the changes in the underwater part were significant.

            And just to tint - this is not enough to stand for a hundred years.
            "An emergency on ship No. 1: The Aurora fell on its side."
            http://www.kp.ru/daily/25920/2872411/
          2. taseka
            taseka 5 May 2013 05: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: sleepy
            about 7 billion rubles (more than 220 million dollars).

            Then, as always, they catch the thieves and make the news about the rospile !!!
      3. T-100
        T-100 4 May 2013 14: 20 New
        12
        Well, nifiga yourself 1 billion rubles, you can build a new corvette. They’ll sprinkle it with gold or go around it with a leopard skin. Or maybe they’ll put a nuclear installation. 1 mldr - this is of course bust)))
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 4 May 2013 14: 31 New
          +5
          Quote: T-100
          1 mldr is of course bust)

          So do not write in the prospectuses that the cost of 5 cottages on the Cote d'Azur of France is included there.
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 4 May 2013 14: 50 New
            +4
            Quote: APASUS
            So do not write in the prospectuses that the cost of 5 cottages on the Cote d'Azur of France is included there.

            But I wonder how many summer cottages, on the same shore, are clogged in the Mistral?
          2. sanych your division
            sanych your division 4 May 2013 17: 34 New
            +4
            only 5 ??? Yes, you are an optimist my friend !!! they also have children !!! and they want to eat and live, but not like yours! uh ... differently
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 4 May 2013 14: 46 New
          -2
          Not too much. Even cheap.
        3. dmitreach
          dmitreach 4 May 2013 17: 21 New
          0
          Lard, of course it is more than .... If so, according to the lard for all historical ships and vessels, then ....
          but, nevertheless, it’s worth it.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 4 May 2013 19: 07 New
            0
            Lard, the same money is not frail ... One and a half An-140
        4. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 4 May 2013 21: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: T-100
          1 mldr - this is of course bust

          Yudashkin spent 120 lyamas for sketches of sweatshirts for the army, but then instead of rags, he would have to pull steel, probably he knocked out an estimate for old Tsereteli.
        5. Olegovi4
          Olegovi4 4 May 2013 23: 03 New
          +1
          Yeah, and then again the bureaucrats in St. Petersburg will have holidays on the ship for a walk. They apparently didn’t really like the last time, they decided to make a "European-style repair".
      4. Lopatov
        Lopatov 4 May 2013 14: 46 New
        +3
        It cannot be restored after many “repairs”. Only a remake. But is he needed?
        1. sergeschern
          sergeschern 4 May 2013 22: 10 New
          0
          I read about overhaul in the 80s, so they did the following: the entire underwater part of the hull was made of stainless steel - so that "forever"! And the old bottom lay for a long time in the open.
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 4 May 2013 22: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: sergeschern
            "... so they did this there: the entire underwater part of the hull was made
            from stainless steel - so that "forever"! .. "

            They used special steel, the production technology of which
            somehow connected with space.
            But because of this, the center of gravity changed and the cruising properties of the cruiser presumably changed after repair, which should be checked
            then no one took a chance.
            1. sv100year
              sv100year 5 May 2013 01: 38 New
              +2
              what seaworthiness to check on a non-self-propelled vessel?
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach 5 May 2013 02: 46 New
                +1
                by tug wassat
          2. sv100year
            sv100year 5 May 2013 01: 36 New
            +1
            is this a joke?
      5. w.ebdo.g
        w.ebdo.g 4 May 2013 15: 45 New
        13
        I think it is advisable to repair the hull below the waterline (apply a plastic coating with anti-corrosion treatment of the metal of the hull), this, together with lifting to the dock, is not more than 100-200 million rubles.
        and the remaining billions to be spent on creating themed museums of Aurora and military glory throughout the country.
        on average, one such museum will cost the state no more than 10 million rubles + 1 million per year subsidies if museums are not self-supporting (free). we get for 800-900 million rubles. no less than 80 museums in the largest cities of the country ...
        there will be much more sense to raise patriotism, and the ship will be saved ...
        I think so.
      6. Atlon
        Atlon 4 May 2013 17: 15 New
        +5
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        I see no reason for irony. Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.

        That's it! And now they will run over again ... Victory Parade is dear to them ... Let’s better distribute the money ... Is it really not clear what exactly is such a project and such monuments that a power is strong? It is such historical milestones that educate the future generation, arouse respect of the world community, give reasons to be proud of their homeland! But it’s not at all how much money was handed out, and how many sausages from soya with monosodium glutamate each bought on them!
        Aurora - in action!
        1. Petrospek
          Petrospek 4 May 2013 19: 05 New
          +6
          and if you don’t put it on the move, will it cease to be history?
        2. papas-57
          papas-57 5 May 2013 08: 47 New
          0
          The future generation will learn from examples of how officials sawed the money allocated for various projects and did not sit down. Restoration is needed, but something confuses the amount (the inverse relationship between the amount and the bureaucrats conscience)
      7. does it
        does it 4 May 2013 19: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        I see no reason for irony. Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.

        I do not argue with you, but I completely agree with avt crying .Aurora is a symbol of the October Revolution, a symbol of Bolshevism. Today, olegarchs and priests are in power, for both of them this symbol ... ...... .. ...... crying so that everything can be ... request
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 4 May 2013 20: 36 New
          +5
          Quote: kvirit
          Aurora is a symbol of the October Revolution, a symbol of Bolshevism.

          Learn a better story of the cruiser ... In particular, its history in the Second World War.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 4 May 2013 20: 42 New
            +4
            And even better in Russian-Japanese.
            Together with the “Oleg” against eight Japanese cruisers.
            1. does it
              does it 4 May 2013 21: 43 New
              +1
              [Atlon] Learn a better history of the cruiser ... In particular, its history in the Second World War. [/ Quote]
              [quote = Lopatov] And even better in the Russian-Japanese. Together with the "Oleg" against eight Japanese cruisers. [/ quote]
              Yes, I am familiar with the history of the cruiser.
      8. anton107798
        anton107798 4 May 2013 20: 35 New
        -2
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        I see no reason for irony. Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.


        Well then, you need to transfer the entire fleet of the Russian Federation to historic ships, because this is the same story! Then it’s definitely not who will not defeat the Russian fleet, because everyone will die of laughter
        1. smile
          smile 5 May 2013 03: 26 New
          +1
          anton107798
          maybe you should broadcast it striped and the Japanese with their missions and mikasami? or discussion of host behavior is a taboo for you? Did you die of reverence? It is believed that higher vertebrates cannot live without a brain ... share a secret, how do you manage?
          1. anton107798
            anton107798 5 May 2013 12: 58 New
            0
            Quote: smile
            share the secret, how do you manage?




            as well as respect for you. You live ...
    2. Civil
      Civil 4 May 2013 17: 41 New
      +2
      what is left of the real Aurora? In the 80s, they cut everything ...
    3. anton107798
      anton107798 4 May 2013 20: 33 New
      -4
      [quote = Zomanus] will be able to live and study, "passing the first naval practice on the legendary ...
      Study? to what? Will the ship go to sea? or will coal learn to throw correctly in boiler furnaces? For that kind of money, a better training ship would be better built ... Although it’s right, officials also need dachas
      1. not good
        not good 4 May 2013 21: 18 New
        +3
        “Perekop” and “Smolny” are enough for today. And in the USSR there were “Khasan”, “Gangut”, “Luga”, “Oka” and many more small training boats brought together in DUKs. “Gangut” was given to the border guards, they wrote him off, and the rest of the Veselukha shipping company (although the KLU is still more likely to live in Kronstadt). Until today, two of the Criminal Code were enough to carry out their tasks, but after resuscitation of admission to the naval schools in 2- 3 years "Perekop" and "Smolny" is not enough. That's where they will repair the "Aurora" laughing .
        The main thing is that during the repair of the Aurora they did not forget to restore the bow cannon, and after that they sent the CRUISER OF THE REVOLUTION to Moscow. Suddenly let the tank shoot .... like in the 17th ....
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 4 May 2013 12: 46 New
    15
    That's where they drank loot - I do not want. After a year we find out that half of the funds spent for other purposes.
    Off topic a little, but ...... people think I’ll understand, forgive.

    Former Chinese governor sentenced to corruption for life
    In China, a court sentenced the former head of Shandong Province to life imprisonment, convicting him of corruption. It is reported by Reuters.

    According to the investigation, from 1998 to 2011, Huan Shen received 12 million yuan from businessmen as bribes - about $ 1,95 million.

    All property of the convicted ex-governor will be confiscated.
    http://news.mail.ru/politics/12978523/
    1. trenkkvaz
      trenkkvaz 4 May 2013 12: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      В
      According to the investigation, from 1998 to 2011, Huan Shen received 12 million yuan from businessmen as bribes - about $ 1,95 million.

      All property of the convicted ex-governor will be confiscated. [/ B] http://news.mail.ru/politics/12978523/


      A question for backfill. Did this Huan Shen know what he was facing when committing these offenses?
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 4 May 2013 13: 08 New
        +2
        I think he knew that he faces the death penalty, in China it threatens everyone who has stolen for half a million dollars or more. Then he, apparently, made a deal with the investigation, handed over whom it was necessary and set sail for life
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 4 May 2013 13: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: trenkkvaz

        A question for backfill. Did this Huan Shen know what he was facing when committing these offenses?

        Of course I knew, because in 13 years I scored less than 2 million bucks. I was afraid to take a lot from everyone.
        1. sergeschern
          sergeschern 4 May 2013 22: 30 New
          0
          Scientific fact: the so-called "risk gene" is present in 7 percent of people, i.e. even knowing about the punishment, they risk it, while getting an “adrenaline rush.” And what do they risk with us? (honestly) - only 2-4 years, and even then conditionally! That "pull" the money all 100 percent!
      3. lelikas
        lelikas 4 May 2013 13: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: trenkkvaz
        A question for backfill. Did this Huan Shen know what he was facing when committing these offenses?

        And Serdyukov? ;)
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn 4 May 2013 13: 44 New
          +5
          And Serdyukov? ;)

          Believe, hope, wait wink
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 4 May 2013 15: 32 New
            +3
            Quote: cth; fyn
            Believe, hope, wait

            Quote: lelikas
            And Serdyukov?

            “Former Russian Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov will be able to avoid imprisonment. So most of the participants in the online discussion on the topic“ Serdyukov will come out of the water? ”Conducted by Finam.info say so. Most likely, only executors will receive real terms, and high officials will get off with suspended sentences. Military observer Viktor Baranets believes that Anatoly Serdyukov is likely to receive only a suspended sentence: “Criminal cases against Serdyukov, Vasilyeva and all of his“ sharashka ”will be brought to court, but some will lie on the bunk and receive sentences, maybe not so cool, but Serdyukov and Vasilyev will be convicted, but in Russian. They they’ll receive suspended sentences and, gibbering over us and the Russian Themis, will continue to live in peace. "
            The opposite point of view is shared by the deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, member of the Committee for Security and Anti-Corruption Dmitry Gorovtsov: “Of course, if the investigation establishes the guilt of Mr. Serdyukov, then a proportionate punishment should follow. I am a supporter of this point of view and believe that justice will prevail, and the guilty will Given the very large public outcry that was identified in the Oboronservis case, it’s obvious to me that this will be some kind of criterion whether the fight against corruption is ongoing or not. For me, the criterion will not even be the initiation of a criminal case against Serdyukov personally, but whether this case will go to court, whether there will be a trial and a court verdict. If this happens, then we can safely say that a real fight against corruption has begun in Russia. From my point of view, this will be a kind of litmus test for understanding how real and serious the intentions of the country's leadership are. "
            Note that Anatoly Serdyukov is a defendant in the “Oboronservis case”, he was summoned for interrogation, almost all weekly new revealing materials appear in the media, he faces another criminal case. However, no direct charges were brought against him.
            http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1648092.html#ixzz2SK3dqwnY
            1. common man
              common man 4 May 2013 16: 19 New
              +3
              I have been eating a question for a long time. Everyone is talking about the Serdyukov-corrupt official as Minister of Defense. But, before that, he was known to be the head of the Tax Inspectorate. "In 2006, earned 1,25 million rublestaking last place according to the income level among the members of the Government of the Russian Federation "- Wikipedia. Was it honest and incorruptible in the tax, and it only got spoiled in the Ministry of Defense? Or should we look, as they say in Odessa, how many taxes were missed by Russia during its leadership? .A and the Ministry of Defense moved when there was nothing to steal in the tax.
              1. Petrospek
                Petrospek 4 May 2013 19: 00 New
                0
                if you dig so deep, you can accidentally dig up and ... well, you understand who, but they don’t need it.
                So he stole Toko in the Moscow Region.
              2. smile
                smile 5 May 2013 03: 35 New
                0
                common man
                A fair remark ... I also thought about it ... in fact, he brought to the MO a stable organized gang of thieves in skirts and without, which was formed, went through combat coordination in the tax ... it would be strange if they were engaged in the tax anything else ...
        2. DPN
          DPN 4 May 2013 22: 09 New
          -1
          YES it is not under jurisdiction, millions themselves came to it, the GDP was tired; it was not already under discussion to talk about it!
    2. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 4 May 2013 13: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      That's where they drank loot - I do not want.

      From the article:

      According to him, the ship will be repaired extrabudgetary fundsas provided by the Russian Ministry of Defense.


      There is a survey of what kind of extrabudgetary funds and where are they from Min. defense?
    3. sergeschern
      sergeschern 4 May 2013 22: 18 New
      0
      "And our country has become rich again!" - that’s what would happen, if you confiscate the money of all our burials into the treasury!
  3. SEM
    SEM 4 May 2013 12: 47 New
    +3
    WHY SUCH COSTS ??? I THINK A BETTER FACTORY FOR THE ISSUE OF HYPERSONIC ROCKETS FOR THESE MONEY (it’s clear that it’s not enough but the little things, so we’ll spend it all together) BUILD ..... yes this is a story but do we really have no priorities ????? Defense, agriculture, production is the main criterion for the success of the state and, most importantly, prosperity. Nobody says that history should wait, but now the time is such that you can lose everything and will never return .....
  4. Shawnee
    Shawnee 4 May 2013 12: 47 New
    +3
    gilding?
    Recall that on the night of June 5-6, the cruiser celebrated the birthday of Russian Pioneer magazine, which is owned by Prokhorov. About 150 guests were invited to the party, entertained by host Tina Kandelaki and musician Sergei Shnurov. The chief military prosecutor’s office of the Russian Federation concluded that the event was unlawful and ordered the Navy command to bring the perpetrators to disciplinary action. The Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, in turn, issued an order prohibiting the holding of events on ships "not related to the vital activity of the troops."

    Prokhorov himself then declared that he did not feel guilty for the party organized by him on the Aurora, since the cruiser had long lost its symbolism. Now, apparently, he changed his mind.
    1. sleepy
      sleepy 4 May 2013 20: 56 New
      0
      No one will answer for the Sabbath on the Aurora.
      http://www.km.ru/news/za_shabash_na_avrore_nikto_ne_ot

      The main military prosecutor’s office refuses to publicize the results of the scandalous party that took place more than two months ago aboard the legendary cruiser Aurora in St. Petersburg.
      Moreover, the commander of the Leningrad Naval Base, Rear Admiral
      Anatoly Lipinsky, who gave her the go-ahead, as it turned out,
      almost promoted appointed commander
      Novorossiysk Naval Base of the Black Sea Fleet.

      Read more: http://www.km.ru/news/za_shabash_na_avrore_nikto_ne_ot
  5. Tatar
    Tatar 4 May 2013 12: 59 New
    +1
    7 billion rubles at a price of a guarding corvette of 8 billion.
    0% E2% E5% F2), although it is clear that during repairs 2 times the price will rise. execute everything and it will be okay
  6. honest jew
    honest jew 4 May 2013 13: 01 New
    +4
    for a billion you can build a new Aurora!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 4 May 2013 13: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: honest Jew
      for a billion you can build a new Aurora!

      And remodels are unnecessary to us. Keep to the maximum of what is left. Any rivet from the original Aurora is more expensive than a new body.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 4 May 2013 14: 04 New
        +8
        Quote: Garrin
        Any rivet from the original Aurora is more expensive than a new body.
        Moreover, not only historically. Rescue ship "Commune" 100 years. How many modern-built ships can boast of? Despite the fact that the technical condition of the case is significantly better than others ten times newer. TECHNOLOGIES need to be restored so that every 10 years the renewal of the ship’s composition does not become a critical task
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 4 May 2013 14: 46 New
          +7
          Quote: Misantrop
          TECHNOLOGIES need to be restored,

          Valera, welcome!
          Like being at the bati in the warehouses of NZ, he beg for a sapper shovel born in 1913. The stigma with a double-headed eagle, and so no more differences. She chopped any nails with it and not a single chipping remained. This is an example of quality, without even touching on "high technology".
          1. lewerlin53rus
            lewerlin53rus 4 May 2013 15: 35 New
            +6
            I have a friend in a search squad in the Novgorod region. From combat sites, from near Demyansk, he brought me sapper shovels for restoration (I made handles for them) After lying in the ground, as a rule, in a swamp, for decades, they are quite suitable for work. Moreover, Russian shoulder blades are in better condition than German ones.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 15: 47 New
              +5
              I did redevelopment in my house. When disassembling the wall, I came across a walled rail. The metal for the grinder turned out to be very unsuitable for sawing. I was tormented very much. But I cut it off. state-owned factories did ...
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 4 May 2013 16: 19 New
                +8
                Rail and current torment grinder cut. It is usually gas cut.
                1. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 16: 40 New
                  +3
                  Thank you, I didn’t know! Yes, and I only warm the seagull on gas.) You broke my stereotype that nails were stronger before. laughing But this story had a place to be fellow
                  1. Bosk
                    Bosk 5 May 2013 07: 59 New
                    0
                    Previously, nails were made forged, that is, with faces, and the face was in some way RIGID RIGID and ash stump they were stronger, again forging ...
                2. shurup
                  shurup 4 May 2013 22: 19 New
                  +4
                  My deceased neighbor in the country, the former Communist detachment in the Second World War, saw the rail in half an hour with a jigsaw for metal and not a dispute without breaking a single blade. Those who have not personally seen do not believe.
                  1. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 4 May 2013 22: 31 New
                    +2
                    Like many partisans, he had good "teachers" from foreigners. The "exam" was taken in full and without the right to retake.
              2. Bosk
                Bosk 5 May 2013 07: 56 New
                0
                For a grinder, any thick iron is strained, because too much temperature occurs, and this is for a standard drive for any strain.
            2. lewerlin53rus
              lewerlin53rus 4 May 2013 16: 42 New
              +4
              in, I found a picture with a new pen
              1. Artyom
                Artyom 4 May 2013 19: 15 New
                +2
                excellent sapper blade, forged, in my army was the same, model 1905
              2. Landwarrior
                Landwarrior 5 May 2013 12: 18 New
                0
                These shoulder blades through the woods .. what .And come across Interventions, and Winter, and the Second World War ... Helmets rot, and this, at least figs lol
          2. vjatsergey
            vjatsergey 5 May 2013 03: 32 New
            +1
            And long ago, in the 80s, an ax with the stigma of 1941 was brought to me, when I sharpened it (I was tortured to sharpen it), I built a whole log cabin and did not sharpen it more than once. That was steel. Although it seems like an ordinary ax.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 5 May 2013 04: 03 New
              0
              In those days, steel was steel. Now they don’t know how. negative
          3. Bosk
            Bosk 5 May 2013 07: 53 New
            0
            Then I remembered about 20 years ago that they dismantled an old barn of the post-war construction, the grilles on the windows turned out to be walled-in barrels of Mosin rifles, and interestingly, the zealous owner filled the barrels with a solid ....
        2. Andrey from Tver
          Andrey from Tver 4 May 2013 18: 48 New
          +3
          By the end of the 1970s, the Aurora corps came into disrepair. The interdepartmental commission convened by the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy in the fall of 1980, after six months of work, presented a conclusion on the technical condition of the hull and proposed three ways to ensure the cruiser's buoyancy. After two years of research, all three options were rejected: they decided to conduct a repair repair with the replacement of damaged elements of the hull structures. The Northern Design Bureau was appointed as the designer, and the shipbuilder named after A. A. Zhdanov became the executor [239]. Despite protests from fleet historians [240], who sought to preserve a unique monument of technology and history, engineers decided to completely replace the underwater part with the use of modern technology.

          August 18, 1984 "Aurora" was aft forward brought up to the wall of the plant. The following year, the hull was entered into the dock, where almost the entire underwater part of the hull was separated. At the end of summer, the repaired equipment was loaded into the newly rebuilt bottom and installation of the armored deck began. Belleville-Dolgolenko boilers were replaced with mock-ups; the machine was saved [241]. Part of the unnecessary armor went to the manufacture of commemorative crafts and souvenirs. After completion in the boathouse, by April 1987, the extremities with bronze pins were welded to the cruiser, on which pieces of a genuine hull were attached; In addition, superstructures, pipes and masts were installed. Then the reconstruction of the premises was started, which they tried to restore in their original form.
          By August 1987, the "restoration" of the Aurora, which cost approximately 35 million rubles, was completed [242]. There are various assessments of the work done: a new underwater part, electric welding seams and the use of modern technologies have given rise to talk about the transformation of Aurora into a remake.
          The underwater part of the cruiser was not disposed of and, as of 2011, is in a flooded state near the settlement of Brooks of Kingisepp District [242] [245]. Parts of the skeleton sticking out of the water in the 1980s were pulled away by building residents of a nearby village.
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C0%E2%F0%EE%F0%E0_(%E1%F0%EE%ED%E5%EF%E0%EB%F3%E1%
          ED%FB%E9_%EA%F0%E5%E9%F1%E5%F0)
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 4 May 2013 18: 12 New
        +1
        So that's the problem - this is already 70-80% remake, there is very little left of the original.
        It is necessary to maintain it in good condition, but here is another alteration of everything and everything will definitely make the ship 100% m remake.
    2. sanych your division
      sanych your division 4 May 2013 17: 36 New
      0
      and you still give yourself a report in which state will a new aurora be built? in america a missile carrier will be lowered on these pennies
    3. dmitreach
      dmitreach 4 May 2013 17: 42 New
      +1
      In this connection, YOU have such a sorrow? (I'm afraid to ask an "honest, French Jew" ...)
  7. Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 May 2013 13: 09 New
    +2
    Really cut and rollback. Or maybe on the anniversary of the revolution again they will start to sound ... fighting?)))
    1. honest jew
      honest jew 4 May 2013 13: 12 New
      +3
      it would be nice
      1. Rrv
        Rrv 4 May 2013 17: 28 New
        -1
        The Fate of GIPHA: rkrp-rpk.ru/content/view/4933/1/
        1. Petrospek
          Petrospek 4 May 2013 19: 22 New
          0
          The ISU died in the 90s, like the half of the country, so most research institutes ended, and this is reality, Matvienko has nothing to do with it.
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 4 May 2013 21: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Petrospek
            "The ISU's died in the 90s, like half a country, so most research institutes ended
            and this is reality, Matvienko has nothing to do with it. "

            Matvienko, of course, has nothing to do with it.
            She was deputy chairman of the Executive Committee of the Leningrad City Council,
            Head of the Department of Culture of Mountains. Leningrad.

            "March 18, 1987,20 thousandth unauthorized
            protest rally on St. Isaac's Square was dispersed
            units of the Internal Troops introduced into the city.

            Immediately after that, at about 14 pm, the facade of the Angleterre collapsed ...
            Deputy Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Leningrad City Council, Head of the Department of Culture Valentina Matvienko, hidden under the cloth
            Ministry of Culture order to ban demolition of the monument, personally responsible for this act of vandalism. 1987 year.

            "In 2007, the administration of Matvienko switched from" piece "demolitions
            in the historical center to the scorched earth tactics -
            the destruction of entire neighborhoods of the Old City.
            The first example of unprecedented demolitions was the historic quarter between Wesenberg and Leuchtenberg streets
            (now - Shkapina and Rosenstein), where they were immediately demolished
            23 buildings of the era of eclecticism and Art Nouveau.
            A lie repeated many times becomes true
            taught the head of Nazi propaganda Joseph Goebbels.
            Under Governor Valentin Matvienko, the victim of this rule was
            a whole block of old Petersburg.
            The idea that the quarter between Shkapina and Rosenstein streets is a slum that does not represent any architectural value was introduced into the mass consciousness. But that is a lie.
            And she does not become true from the fact that
            Governor Matvienko repeated it many times ... "
            http://sensusnovus.ru/analytics/2011/03/20/6323.html

            It is still unclear why such a rush, and even undermining it.
            The Angleterra building wasn’t so emergency.
            And in the future they didn’t blow it up, but demolished it.
            http://imho.gazeta.spb.ru/489-0/
            Why such a rush to destroy a building in 1987?
      2. itr
        itr 4 May 2013 21: 40 New
        +2
        Listen to you so we take up arms
        So you answer hi you in your home country in Israel make a revolution
        The moment will come and there will be order in this country
        And please arrange a civil one personally, I will even send money if possible
        1. smile
          smile 5 May 2013 04: 05 New
          +2
          itr (
          A rotten clip-art ... ten words, three clearly shown enemies, the main thing is the bloody footprints of a bear on the map ... and the only intelligible appeal is to arrange bloody chaos in the country ... Russophobe's blue dream ... I can’t imagine how much it needs to be brainless to narrate to it ...
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 5 May 2013 04: 10 New
            +2
            And it doesn’t even disguise itself: a beard and a hat, everything with him. He throws his agitations into the open because of the cordon.
      3. smile
        smile 5 May 2013 03: 56 New
        +1
        honest jew
        Well, why are these little thingies? Are you burning a people's hearts with a verb? ... in the video for the barricades people are called ... text that is designed for emotions, not mind ... well, go on, who should be killed first? How good it will be in St. Petersburg, and in the whole country, after barricades and life-giving washing with blood ... what did you think about when you posted THIS here? ... ordinary swamp defecation affects only oligophrenics ... or is it you joked?
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 May 2013 13: 12 New
    +3
    But the memory will remain, and in a dozen, I hope after the repair, who will remember this billion there? And what will be its face value at that time? Let them repair, maybe another generation will remember Aurora.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 May 2013 13: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: aszzz888
      ? Let them repair, maybe another generation will remember Aurora.

      Ask youth what AURORA has become famous for wink hear a lot of new and unexpected.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 4 May 2013 13: 26 New
        0
        Do not live one day, Alexander.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 May 2013 13: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: aszzz888
          Do not live one day, Alexander.

          Yes, I do not live, but you ask the youngsters about the 2nd world war, it’s time to clutch your head. And you about the Aurora.
          1. DPN
            DPN 4 May 2013 21: 57 New
            0
            Aurora and World War 2, and for us the Great Patriotic War is the memory of our MOTHERLAND-USSR, which today's authorities, with the help of the Russian media, simply want to ERASE youth. Maybe you remember in the ABC book SLAVES NOT WE, WE NOT SLAVES.
            Now everyone in power says that the Cook cannot manage the state. And where do they come from? Therefore, they don’t care less when the young are dancing on the monuments of the Second World War.
          2. aszzz888
            aszzz888 5 May 2013 01: 56 New
            0
            I do not advocate a return to that past. But we had it. We must relate to this philosophically. And for our young generation, not all of course, I am really bitter and offended. Well, God be their judge!
      2. atalef
        atalef 4 May 2013 13: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Ask young people why AURORA became famous for many new and unexpected things to hear.

        Hello Alexander.
        billion for Aurora, it would be better for veterans in apartments.
        Lord, how many people can hang noodles on the ears. APEC passed in Vladik - the sea has sunken grandmas, how are the results? Alexander .
        Soon the Olympics and the World Cup.
        Super expensive restaurant opened in Moscow.
        The first visitor is an Englishman. I ordered oatmeal, pudding and a glass of whiskey.
        I drank, ate, everything on the highest level. They bring him a bill for 5 bucks.
        He is shocked: there are no such attendants, but credit cards are not accepted. Him
        explain:
        - You see, in our restaurant there is such a rule: if the client cannot
        pay off - they cut off any limb of his choice.
        The Englishman broke in, but sees that there is nothing to do. Laid on the table
        left hand, well, he was drawn to him ...
        The next visitor is an American. Ordered beer, steak, hamburgers there
        all sorts of things. Account for 10 tons. History repeats itself. In short, we drew him in
        the result is the right hand.
        In the evening comes a new Russian with a bunch of whores. Tables moved, ordered
        all that was champagne and vodka was a river. All night thumped while under
        the tables didn’t hit.
        In the morning, HP raises his face from the salad. In front of him is a waitress with a bill on
        one and a half lemon pots. He stupidly looks at her, and she begins to him
        explain about the rules. He listened to her, got up, threw out his pants and
        put on the table. The waitress in horror:
        - What!? Hack?!?!?!
        - Suck, you fool !!! Money is like dirt!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 May 2013 13: 45 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          APEC passed in Vladik - grandmother the sea sunken, how are the results? Alexander .
          Soon the Olympics and World Cup

          Hello! two bridges were built, the roads were paved. part was stolen.
          You better tell me what the hell and what in Syria bombed?
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 4 May 2013 14: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          billion for Aurora, it would be better for veterans in apartments.
          And how many times have billions been allocated to veterans for apartments? Fingers of one hand is enough to count those veterans (real ones), who actually get those apartments?
          Let IMHO it’s better to saw at the Aurora, less vain hopes for veterans ...
          1. lewerlin53rus
            lewerlin53rus 4 May 2013 15: 38 New
            +2
            billion for Aurora, it would be better for veterans in apartments.

            One of the lovers here the other day offered money instead of a parade to give to veterans. Do not stand the idea?
      3. sanych your division
        sanych your division 4 May 2013 17: 41 New
        0
        it’s better to fuck these dibs on a normal education. although ... and there they saw ... a vicious circle
  9. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 4 May 2013 13: 29 New
    +1
    They will repair the “Aurora”, it will enter the Neva River and get banged out of the main caliber. The tale is a lie, but a hint in it ... the counter should be thought about. bully
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 4 May 2013 17: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Alekseir162
      she will enter the Neva River and get banged out of the main caliber.

      But the Moscow River will not pass? laughing
    2. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 4 May 2013 17: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Alekseir162
      They will repair the “Aurora”, it will enter the Neva River and get banged out of the main caliber. The tale is a lie, but a hint in it ... the counter should be thought about. bully

      There was a joke in due time: "
      - Why is everything in St. Petersburg?
      - Aurora is worth it. Maybe shoot again. "
      I want to believe that not everything is measured by money. Aurora is our story.
    3. DPN
      DPN 4 May 2013 22: 04 New
      -2
      Therefore, it will be in permanent repair until it evaporates.
  10. honest jew
    honest jew 4 May 2013 13: 32 New
    +3
    such money is not a pity for such a thing, the problem is different, whether they will be spent on purpose ...
    1. sanych your division
      sanych your division 4 May 2013 17: 50 New
      +2
      dear! drive a year later to Cote d`azur and see what the restoration of this glorious boat will do. into a number of wonderful mansions. and all this despite the fact that it would be impossible to own real estate abroad. but when you really want something ...
    2. Petrospek
      Petrospek 4 May 2013 19: 26 New
      0
      ohh, well it depends on what you mean by the phrase "as intended" winked
  11. SEM
    SEM 4 May 2013 13: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: honest Jew
    such money is not a pity for such a thing, the problem is different, whether they will be spent on purpose ...

    Stupid question for an honest Jew)))
  12. individual
    individual 4 May 2013 13: 42 New
    0
    Yes! It's time for repair. And then it is dangerous for M. Prokhorov and his colleagues, the oligarchs, to stomp the deck - the bl *** *** will fail.
  13. Rodriques
    Rodriques 4 May 2013 13: 46 New
    0
    Quote: SEM
    WHY SUCH COSTS ??? I THINK A BETTER FACTORY FOR THE ISSUE OF HYPERSONIC ROCKETS FOR THESE MONEY (it’s clear that it’s not enough but the little things, so we’ll spend it all together) BUILD ..... yes this is a story but do we really have no priorities ????? Defense, agriculture, production is the main criterion for the success of the state and, most importantly, prosperity. Nobody says that history should wait, but now the time is such that you can lose everything and will never return .....


    First of all, priority should be in our heads, so the restoration of the Cruiser Aurora is justified, the cruiser is not a symbol of revolution, as some liberal trolls of this site try to imagine, but a symbol of the Russian spirit in the first place.
    1. Petrospek
      Petrospek 4 May 2013 19: 27 New
      +1
      so under the Soviet regime they put him on a joke, at the same time, in your opinion, it turns out that they (the Soviet authorities) are all liberals and ne ... you?
  14. Rodriques
    Rodriques 4 May 2013 13: 48 New
    -2
    Quote: honest Jew
    such money is not a pity for such a thing, the problem is different, whether they will be spent on purpose ...

    What do you feel sorry ?? Of money? Do not tell, Russia is on the right track, and we will show you the year 1113.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 4 May 2013 17: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Rodriques
      ... we will show you the year 1113.

      1117th?
      Or the 2117th?
  15. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 4 May 2013 13: 51 New
    +3
    Patriotism is not worth that much money, especially if we recall the participation of the cruiser in the Russo-Japanese war, and it is not so important that Russia lost that war, but the courage and heroism of the Russian sailors deserve such perpetuation! This is especially important in light of the historical relations with our eastern neighbor, and let the youth see and remember.
    1. sanych your division
      sanych your division 4 May 2013 17: 54 New
      +1
      young people must first be taught sensibly. so that she is interested in at least something other than the internet of porn, a booze of drugs and glamor. and then neither the machine nor the drawing nor with a gun will have no one to stand soon. this will be ...
  16. SPACE
    SPACE 4 May 2013 13: 54 New
    +6
    Napping the silent northern city
    Low sky overhead
    What do you dream about cruiser Aurora
    At the hour when morning rises over the Neva

    Maybe you again in the clouds shaggy
    Guns see far
    Or as before in black pea jackets
    Your patrols menacingly walk

    Waves gray storms gray
    Such a share in ships
    Their fates are also somewhat similar.
    Something like the fate of people

    Open spaces breathe the salty wind
    Lightnings baptize thunderstorm
    What do you dream about cruiser Aurora
    At the hour when morning rises over the Neva
    What do you dream about cruiser Aurora
    At the hour when morning rises over the Neva


    I consider Aurora a significant historical monument, the beginning of a new glorious era and important matters, the Great Victory, the flight into space ... And betraying the memory of this is the same as betraying the heroes of war and revolution. It does not matter how much it will cost, but Aurora must be restored. Well, and the cuts and kickbacks and other garbage, I do not want to think and interfere with the memory of the glorious cruiser with all ... Conscience is their judge.
  17. Vtel
    Vtel 4 May 2013 13: 56 New
    -2
    "People" asks for a holiday - get for 1 billion Aurora as a symbol of the Revolution, which destroyed the Russian Empire and claimed about 30 million Russian lives or as a training rarity. The question is whose order is the Tovs bow gun! Is a revolution coming up again?
  18. vladim.gorbunow
    vladim.gorbunow 4 May 2013 13: 57 New
    +3
    We are waiting, sir. At the Crimean bridge.
  19. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 4 May 2013 13: 59 New
    +3
    that ship repair can begin as early as September 2013 and be completed by the summer of 2014.
    Uhhhhhhh !!! And I was already tensed, I thought they would reach the 17th am In vain, Vladimir Ilyich was buried, it was necessary to resurrect him in the 17th blood from his nose.
    1. sanych your division
      sanych your division 4 May 2013 17: 56 New
      -1
      exactly !!! they forgot about the restoration of Ilyich !!!
    2. Petrospek
      Petrospek 4 May 2013 19: 32 New
      -1
      laughing in! for sure! This symbol of revolution will be steeper than Aurora then!
  20. patriot2
    patriot2 4 May 2013 14: 04 New
    +5
    How to steal hundreds of millions is so silent, but how to restore the historic ship of the Russian Navy is so squealing that money is a pity? It's not for fireworks or firecrackers for parties. Let there be a full-fledged cruiser for us and our descendants. Let there be a living page in the history of Russia and its Navy!
  21. uzer 13
    uzer 13 4 May 2013 14: 07 New
    -4
    Not so long ago, it was already being repaired, it’s like a new bottom was attached. What else happened there? Oh yes, the spy unscrewed the lock nut. Some have helped and want to improve their financial situation, speculating on the holy feelings of the average man. And what time they chose! Which is somehow inconvenient to refuse. We didn’t have time to plant some thieves, look, there are already new ones! (I immediately earn ten or three minuses)
    1. smile
      smile 5 May 2013 04: 18 New
      +1
      uzer 13
      If there were minuses to you, you wouldn’t mention them ... and so ... mice cried, pricked, but continued to eat a cactus ... it's about you, fearless truth-teller, you can’t resist your rotten nature. .. understand ... but I do not sympathize ...
  22. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 4 May 2013 14: 09 New
    +1
    I believe it is better to spend a billion on the purchase of modern weapons. the whiter the aurora was recently repaired
  23. Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 4 May 2013 14: 11 New
    +2
    Few people remember, but the Aurora tank gun is recognized as the most destructive artillery system in the history of mankind! Just one shot and a huge country for almost 80 years cannot get around!
    1. honest jew
      honest jew 4 May 2013 15: 20 New
      0
      Anatoly Dmitrievich is you ?????
  24. tetrarx
    tetrarx 4 May 2013 14: 49 New
    0
    Yes, they’re raking in money for themselves. And if they do everything right, Aurora will be no worse than a new corvette.
  25. Juveviktor
    Juveviktor 4 May 2013 15: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: Sakhalininets
    I see no reason for irony. Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.

    Totally agree, keep it up and seven feet under the keel Aurora
  26. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 4 May 2013 16: 35 New
    0
    Regarding the perdyukov is guilty or not guilty: there are those people on the site who remember that our Ministry of Defense created a gold reserve under the roof of the perdyuk ... he transferred it to Shoigu ??? Or is there another heartbreaking golden story ... Is there anyone in the subject? hi
    PySy about the next billiard, it seems like a noble cause ... always pleased with the tidy little figures caressing the ears of the court Ostap of the "northern capital" and as far as I remember, it was already being repaired in not so distant troubled times.
    Let’s roll up 10 billion there ... summing up the noble historical basis and automatically putting into the enemies all those who can think and ask at the same time UNCOMFORTABLE questions.
    1. Petrospek
      Petrospek 4 May 2013 19: 38 New
      0
      one might think that the aurora that is standing on the joke is no longer a symbol of revolution, but if it swims, yes!
  27. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 4 May 2013 16: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: T-100
    Well, nifiga yourself 1 billion rubles, you can build a new corvette. They’ll sprinkle it with gold or go around it with a leopard skin. Or maybe they’ll put a nuclear installation. 1 mldr - this is of course bust)))


    Well, what a bust. A modern Mig-29 fighter with a malfunctioning unit is roughly what it costs, and the cost of a corvette is 12-15 times more. Fleet pleasure is expensive.
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 4 May 2013 18: 07 New
      0
      From the published procurement plan.
      - An autonomous field camp / camp of a closed life support cycle. So I understand that we are talking about a German field camp. 9 sets for 500 million rubles.
    2. sanych your division
      sanych your division 4 May 2013 18: 09 New
      -4
      instantly costs up to 40 million dalaris the latest state corvette packed at a reluctance of 300 million i.e. the same amount is planned for the repair of Aurora. Stop! the wages of workers in the United States and we have the same? but who brains powder? !!!
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 4 May 2013 18: 49 New
        +2
        What language do you read? It is written RUBLES.
        This is almost 17 BMD-4m, if for 60 lyamov.
        or one and a half An-140
        - Aircraft An-140. 3 units for 1 rubles.
        or
        - Tactical protected multipurpose vehicle "Typhoon-U" and its modifications. 30 cars with a total value of 1 million rubles.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 4 May 2013 18: 54 New
          +1
          Let's measure the length in parrots. (from the cartoon)
          The cost of modernization of Aurora is approximately equal to one and a half An-140.
    3. Xunta
      Xunta 4 May 2013 18: 09 New
      -7
      Quote: VohaAhov
      Modern fighter

      Quote: VohaAhov
      Mig-29

      In what place is it modern? It is old enough, and unnecessary.
  28. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 4 May 2013 16: 47 New
    0
    veterans better let them help for this billion only honestly
  29. Rrv
    Rrv 4 May 2013 17: 34 New
    +3
    ------------------------
    1. uzer 13
      uzer 13 4 May 2013 17: 52 New
      -2
      You're right, bro. You have to close this enclave.
      1. uzer 13
        uzer 13 4 May 2013 19: 13 New
        -1
        Cons are set by lured Moscow comrades. They always call Russia the province and Zamkadye, and Moscow the capital. They themselves have dual citizenship (just in case).
        1. Rrv
          Rrv 4 May 2013 19: 16 New
          +3
          Yes, I myself, in general, am a Moscow comrade wink
        2. smile
          smile 5 May 2013 04: 29 New
          +3
          uzer 13
          What are you talking about? Do you think that if you clean the capital of the country from the inhabitants whom you call Moscow comrades, then the whole country will breathe a sigh of relief? and then clean up the next one, and yet .... of course, there’s not enough brain for more .... And again you suffer about the minuses ... yeah ... this is not treated ...
  30. pinecone
    pinecone 4 May 2013 17: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: jagdpanzer
    veterans better let them help for this billion only honestly


    In Murmansk they help. By Victory Day, veterans of the Great Patriotic War present a free funeral. An initiative of a commercial company called the Military Memorial Company. No more, no less.
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 6 May 2013 15: 46 New
      0
      So, by the way, funerals are very expensive, and many veterans are well over 80. Draw your own conclusions, but this is really a noble cause and concern for veterans (now he can spend the so-called "coffin" on life). The media can vulgarize any affair, and deplore the vulgar!
  31. Xunta
    Xunta 4 May 2013 18: 05 New
    -9
    Well, why the hell needed to restore this trough? The shame of the fleet, along with the potter’s crap.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 4 May 2013 18: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: Xunta
      Well, why the hell needed to restore this trough? The shame of the fleet, along with the potter’s crap.


      You came here to troll, or write something worthwhile. Minus to you for the troll
      1. Xunta
        Xunta 4 May 2013 18: 24 New
        -7
        Quote: Apollon
        or write something worthwhile

        Exactly. Why this floating shameful trough is needed - no one can say. The breed is like that.
      2. sniper
        sniper 4 May 2013 22: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        Troll

        Greetings buddy !!! And this is not our Vasily ??? Already painfully similar .... It is necessary to ban such.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 4 May 2013 23: 02 New
          +2
          Hail Nicholas! drinks It looks like the next one that got to the keys ... There is no respect either for the team, or for the site participants, or for the State, or even for himself ...
          1. sniper
            sniper 4 May 2013 23: 47 New
            +1
            Alexander ! drinks Glad to meet you !!!
        2. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 5 May 2013 02: 03 New
          +1
          And this is all the same “Kolobok” and others. Which is regularly banned, and he climbs out again like chiri. And at least once he would write something worthwhile. And it’s just solid obsiral.
  32. tomich
    tomich 4 May 2013 18: 21 New
    -1
    while the United States, in the meantime, successfully tested a hypersonic missile, we’ll probably also fight back from it. country of idiots. billion on this trough it's complete nonsense
  33. Renat
    Renat 4 May 2013 18: 39 New
    +2
    The cruiser must be restored and put on the move. Let him visit at least our ports and propagandize our history. Let young sailors study. I need a lot of money, I agree, but the president of the Bank of Moscow took 510 billion. Catch him, tear off everything that is and take the same eternal young and let him scrub the deck. fabulous money is being stolen around and there is no money for the history and future of Russia. Absurd. Invest today a ruble, tomorrow you will receive patriotic youth and the day after tomorrow a strong country.
  34. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 4 May 2013 18: 57 New
    +2
    Money is not a pity for this - the main thing would not be stolen.
  35. Dimy4
    Dimy4 4 May 2013 19: 49 New
    +1
    Good job conceived. If only in reality it would not have turned out so that a hammer for four thousand, a screwdriver for five .........
  36. Narkom
    Narkom 4 May 2013 20: 05 New
    +1
    carry out dock and factory repair of the cruiser with the maximum preservation of the historical appearance
    what kind of preservation of the historical appearance is in question, Aurora does not correspond to its original appearance by 98% (By the way, on the museum’s website for some reason it’s simply called “cruiser of the first rank” instead of “armored cruiser of the first rank” and the type “Diana” is not indicated)
  37. sandrmur76
    sandrmur76 4 May 2013 20: 11 New
    0
    Personally, it seems to me that more time will pass and then repair again, then repair again, etc. And Aurora will be a goldfish! I am not against history, BUT there are many areas where money is needed. Medicine, kindergartens, schools, the army, etc. recourse
  38. 120352
    120352 4 May 2013 20: 59 New
    +1
    This is all cheaper than shame on Krestovsky. Aurora is one of our Leningrad symbols, a monument not only to the revolution, but also to many other glorious deeds.
    1. uzer 13
      uzer 13 4 May 2013 21: 35 New
      -5
      Your symbols must then be repaired with your own money. Throw it one by one, you will not be impoverished. Or you yourself come with hammers and chisels and rivet this old machine.
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 4 May 2013 21: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: uzer 13
        "Their characters must then be repaired with their own money.
        Chuck there, don’t get poor ... "


        The budget is funded by taxpayers.
        So by the way and / or more already ripped off.
        Torn off for repairs, and for utilities, and for tolerance,
        and for the stadium on Krestovsky ...
        a lot of what was torn off, but the result is not happy.
        1. uzer 13
          uzer 13 4 May 2013 22: 26 New
          -3
          I myself am not in the best position. Five years ago I retired and I was already paid 4500 rubles. I still work. Therefore, I would like to get my share out of this billion. You won’t say that the old piece of iron is more important than a production veteran?
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 4 May 2013 23: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: uzer 13
            "... You will not say that the old piece of iron is more important,
            what is a production veteran? "


            Of course, I will not say what the conversation is about.
            On the other hand, when Sobchak was still in power, I heard a lot about
            what if money swelled into tanks, aviation, navy, into space
            to divide all this money among all equally, it would be all
            great happiness - and frying pans, and coffee grinders, and even TVs, refrigerators, washing machines and cars.

            And so the idea was born to divide everything equally in the form of vouchers.
            It’s time for the author of the idea of ​​voucherization to erect a monument ...
            to remember notgrateful descendants.
          2. smile
            smile 5 May 2013 22: 18 New
            0
            uzer 13
            Bliiiin .... excuse me, it turned out that you are great older than me ...... I had no right to paraffin you like that .... sorry !!!!! I won’t be anymore ...... I’m really ashamed ...... but how could you, in that case, fall so low ........ it’s simply inexplicable ....
  39. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 4 May 2013 22: 14 New
    -3
    Damn, it’s better for us to build something on the Black Sea Fleet for this money. And then soon in Sevastopol tourists the Black Sea Fleet ships will be ashamed to show, because of the year of construction.
    Some kind of crazy waste.
  40. DPN
    DPN 4 May 2013 22: 17 New
    -4
    Aurora is a symbol of fair life, at the moment this symbol is in the way, and suddenly it will blow again in the WINTER! PUTIN and CHUBAIS will not stand it.
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    2. Skunk
      Skunk 5 May 2013 00: 20 New
      -5
      I doubt that this is a symbol of a just life - it is a symbol of red terror, a symbol of Bolshevism, a symbol of the mob that came to power, a symbol of the destruction of spirituality. Shorter shitty character. It's like dried Lenin in a mausoleum. Remove them soon and it will be good.
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 5 May 2013 00: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Skunk
        "... this is a symbol of red terror, a symbol of Bolshevism, a symbol of the mob that has come to power, a symbol of the destruction of spirituality. In short, a shitty symbol ..."


        Always considered the cruiser Aurora primarily a symbol of the courage of Russian sailors in the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-1905.
        And then a symbol of revolution.
        And as for the burial of V.I. Lenin - and what, someone prevents him from being buried
        humanly with his family?
        Something I did not hear the statements of the current figures of the Russian Orthodox Church regarding
        Lenin’s burial place, but on the dances all spoke out many times over.
        And the Mausoleum also does not fit into the infrastructure - it's time to demolish it
        and in its place to build a shopping center in the center of Moscow.
        1. Skunk
          Skunk 6 May 2013 15: 23 New
          0
          A symbol of courage? I've always considered Varyag to be such, although each has his own ... But does the Aurora also stand at the Sampsonievsky Bridge as a symbol of courage in the Russo-Japanese War? Not far from Zimny ​​... And the pioneers there also took children, probably only because of the war with the Japanese. wink We live in the same city, I wouldn’t deceive myself like that ...
          At the expense of Lenin - this is, if you think about it, in the main square of the country, under the walls of the residence of the president, a mummy is stored. Well, what can I say? And when the question of its reburial is raised, ex-communists raise a cry that there is mockery of our EVERYTHING. And in order not to split the society (not to rock the boat), the mummy continues to lie in the center of the country.
          Mausoleum ... If there is no mummy, you can dismantle it as unnecessary. You can build an extra platform - look at the parades.
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 10 May 2013 01: 56 New
            +1
            I will not argue.
            "Varangian" - a symbol of courage - that's just where it is?

            A "Aurora" before the eyes and you can imagine the courage of sailors
            Russian-Japanese war.
            For some, the symbol of the revolution is the cruiser Aurora,
            shooting a couple of times in the direction of the Winter,
            for some, the symbol of the revolution is Lenin’s hut at Razliv,
            for some, the symbol of revolution is a pioneer tie,
            tied to this ship.
  41. shurup
    shurup 4 May 2013 22: 27 New
    +4
    I remain in my opinion. For me, Aurora is, above all, the hero of the Tsushima battle. If you restore, in that form. Mikaz (s) a is a good example.
    And it is better to leave the discussions about homeless children and cadets to the new O. Bender, the sons of the Turkish subjects.
    Shoigu is not a seaman. In this matter, his fifth voice.
    And the request not to forget on what means the Voluntary Fleet and its crown, Novik, were built.
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    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 4 May 2013 23: 21 New
      +1
      it was reported that the price of the unfinished missile cruiser "Ukraine" project 1164 may vary from $ 1 to $ 4 billion As you know, in 2008, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine at that time Yuriy Yekhanurov estimated the cruiser at $ 1,041 billion, but the Russian side called the price “sky-high”.


      A lard of bucks and a lard of rubles are somewhat different money ... (Course 31rub.)
  43. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 4 May 2013 22: 45 New
    +3
    I’ve thought about it, and a monument is needed, but on the other hand can a plant be built with this money in a depressed region? I don’t know which is better, but the second option is closer to me.
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 4 May 2013 22: 55 New
      +1
      I am sure that with the allocated money you can save a monument and build a plant. But this is with a zealous owner. And it will turn out that a number of generals will have a well-built summer house in a beautiful and comfortable place and the boat will be painted, whitened and marafet, to divert the eyes of the public.
    2. sniper
      sniper 4 May 2013 22: 58 New
      +4
      Aurora itself is almost a remake, but if you put it on the move ... Maybe then the Bronze Horseman on the move ??? I believe that it should be preserved in the form as it is, but it must be saved!
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 4 May 2013 23: 07 New
        +2
        The monument should remain a monument, not a commercial enterprise.
    3. Dimy4
      Dimy4 5 May 2013 00: 45 New
      0
      Alas, in our historical span, this is an impossible dream. These denyuzhki s3.14zdit and there will be no benefit from them. But when the cruiser pro-kha-kha-at is restored, it does not work out, since it already exists. And here it seems to me a more moral component than material. Let the young generation learn our marine traditions on real mechanisms, and not on virtual simulators, since entering the virtual kubrick with a running start you won’t break your head.
  44. dmitreach
    dmitreach 4 May 2013 23: 25 New
    +1
    We measured them in parrots, we will measure them in the Mukhins ...
    The dismantling, storage and restoration of the legendary sculptural composition, an outstanding monument of monumental art, “the ideal and symbol of the Soviet era”, cost the budget 2,9 billion rubles.

    3 Aurora. And this despite the fact that there are no Navigation equipment and other moving mechanisms.
    1. Col.
      Col. 5 May 2013 00: 44 New
      0
      Quote: dmitreach
      The dismantling, storage and restoration of the legendary sculptural composition, an outstanding monument of monumental art, “the ideal and symbol of the Soviet era”, cost the budget 2,9 billion rubles.


      No wonder. The restoration was simply carried out by organizations controlled by E. Baturina, the wife of Yu. Luzhkov.
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 5 May 2013 01: 25 New
        +1
        how many subtract? 50% of the cost of work? or the fact that the monument was restored and it will stand and stand.
  45. sleepy
    sleepy 5 May 2013 00: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Samsebenum
    "I’ve thought about it, and a monument is needed, but on the other hand, a plant can
    and to build this money in a depressed region? .. "


    There is concern that this new topic is only for the development of budget money.
    There is a theme for the construction of the Lakhta Center in St. Petersburg
    http://spb.ria.ru/trend/lahta_center_20082012/

    There is a topic of construction the highest mosque In St. Petersburg
    "In St. Petersburg, they want to build the tallest mosque in Russia"
    http://piter.tv/event/V_Sankt_Peterburge_hotyat/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=t
    witterfeed

    There are many more topics - and each one needs money.
    Here is the theme of building a stadium on Krestovsky instead of a demolished stadium
    them. S.M. Kirova.

    "They promise to build a stadium for Zenit on Krestovsky before the end of 2008. 02.03.2007."
    http://www.fontanka.ru/2007/03/02/038/
    "Smolny: The cost of the stadium on Krestovsky will be 35 billion rubles. September 12, 2012."
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/838470-0/
    "Prime Minister Medvedev is dissatisfied with the Krestovsky Stadium: the contractor will be replaced, the cost will be recalculated again. September 1, 2012."
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/822103-0/
    "Miller said the city authorities do not want to build a stadium. They spend money on other needs. September 3, 2012."
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/823536-0/
    "The price of the shameful construction of the stadium has risen again, now it will exceed 43 billion rubles. And it all started with 6,7 billion rubles. September 24, 2012."
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/854065-0/
    “Why the stadium has been under construction for so long: the work began almost six years ago, and no one can say for sure when it will be completed. At the same time, their cost is constantly growing: in 2006 they called 6,7 billion rubles, now we are talking about 43 billions ... September 27, 2012. "
    http://www.kp.ru/online/news/1257353/
    "Prime Minister Medvedev reminded Poltavchenko that it is necessary to complete the Zenit Arena. October 11, 2012."
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/879963-0/
    "Smolny called the next" exact "date for the completion of construction of the Zenith stadium - October 20, 2015. December 20, 2012."
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/989061-0/
    "Smolny promises to work on cheaper stadium on Krestovsky. October 30, 2012."
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/911641-0/
    "A criminal case was opened for violations during the construction of the stadium on Krestovsky. February 6, 2013."
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1048866-0/
    "The stadium on Krestovsky is built by migrants who do not have a work permit. March 19, 2013."
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1115953-0/
    "Smolny is to blame for the increase in the cost of the stadium on Krestovsky. So they decided in the Accounts Chamber. March 29, 2013."
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1135236-1/
    "Meanwhile, the question remains open who exactly is responsible for the rise in price of the football stadium. And will anyone be punished? March 31, 2013 ...".
    http://spb.kp.ru/online/news/1403744/
    "The Audit Chamber of St. Petersburg has calculated the amount of theft at the construction site of the" shameful stadium ": 14,4 billion rubles were lost out of 3,8 billion. April 1, 2013."
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1137921-0/
    "Neither the federal budget nor Gazprom will pay for the stadium for Zenith, St. Petersburg taxpayer will pay for everything. April 2, 2013. "
    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1139049-1/
    "... whether there were frauds here, but this relationship leads to certain thoughts. April 03, 2013."
    http://www.kp.ru/daily/26056/2967191/
  46. waisson
    waisson 5 May 2013 00: 54 New
    +1
    I would not want to lose the symbol of my youth, but it would be funnier to make it out of place by installing new equipment instead of the old one that would remain from AURORA. yes to carry out the overhaul repairs and leave it alone as before, and the remaining money will indeed be allowed to build a new ship for the Navy
  47. navy33
    navy33 5 May 2013 01: 41 New
    +4
    I welcome everyone! hi Aurora must be restored MANDATORY !!! This is a warship with a glorious fighting past, and not just a reminder of the tragedy of 1917. History must be preserved for posterity!
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 6 May 2013 15: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Navy33
      just a reminder of the tragedy of 1917

      And for me the tragedy of 1991, and 17 the natural end of the monarchy!
  48. cortel
    cortel 5 May 2013 02: 27 New
    0
    Master 400 million in less than a year, only in Russia can.
  49. Suhov
    Suhov 5 May 2013 04: 03 New
    +1
    A billion rubles will be spent on repairing the Aurora

    Somehow anxious in my soul ...
    The Aurora will be repaired: will it turn loose and again the Great October Socialist Revolution?
    Somehow anxious in my soul ...
    yes
  50. Takashi
    Takashi 5 May 2013 04: 13 New
    -1
    I do not need such a "story" for 1 mlr. Let it be worth it, this goddess is at the wall and tourists are happy.
    And for 400 million-1 milliliters for a Nakhim, you can build a completely modern ship (I think even 2). In an extreme case, take the watchmen removed from the service., Or build 2-3 sailing brig \ schooners)