A billion rubles to be spent on repairs

The authorities are planning to carry out the dock and factory repair of the cruiser with the maximum preservation of the historical appearance. At the same time, the Aurora can become a training ship for cadets of the Kronstadt Marine Corps and cadets of the Nakhimov School. In particular, the mess room is planned to be added to the classroom, and in the cockpits, cadets and Nakhimovs will be able to live and learn, "passing the first ship practice at the legendary Aurora".

In early February, 2013, it was reported that the Ministry of Defense of Russia intends to carry out the Aurora dock repair, the estimated cost of which is about 400 million rubles. According to the preliminary repair plan, it was planned to restore the unsinkability of the cruiser and the functionality of all its systems. It was also reported that ship repairs could begin as early as September 2013 of the year and be completed by the summer of 2014.

After the dock repair, it was planned to carry out a partial restoration of the Aurora. These works, the duration of which will be about three years, were already estimated at seven billion rubles. In particular, it was planned to install navigation equipment, communications equipment and radio equipment, as well as a diesel-electric power plant on the ship.

The cruiser Aurora was laid in September 1896 of the year and launched in May 1900 of the year. With a length of 126,8 meter, a width of 16,8 meter and a draft of 6,4 meter, the ship could reach speeds up to the 19,2 node, and its range was about four thousand miles.

At the time of the adoption of the Russian Empire in the Navy, the Aurora had eight 152 caliber guns, 24 mm 75 caliber, eight mm 37 caliber and two millimeter 63,5 caliber. In addition, the cruiser had three torpedo tubes caliber 381 millimeter. From the Russian Navy, the ship was withdrawn in 2010, and the battle crew left the cruiser in October 2012.

Comments

[Zomanus]

Caliber and Dagger put?)))

[Sakhalininsk]

I see no reason for irony. Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.

[avt]

Quote: Sakhalininets

Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.

It seems to me that under the guise of restoration, they stupidly want to tear it away from the parking lot, so they put it on the move and let the Nakhimov swim. It's just that you can’t cut it into metal, well, we will restore it so nobly, so that no one will know. Well, they won’t put the Nakhimov’s firemen to the firebox? So those who think about returning to their historical appearance, forget it. The liquidation of the symbol of the revolution at the budget expense. And the monument will be destroyed and the dough will be raised.

[dmitreach]

The photo shows the attitude of the "probable partner" to the history of its own Navy. It’s a shame to admit, but there is a lot to learn ... Aurora went through the hospital in the 80s. And it was NOT cheap or fast.

[dmitreach]

or so ...
I'm not talking about the "views" of New York ....

[dmitreach]

Somewhere there was a photo with a perspective ... so there is a whole flotilla of museum ships!

[Col.]

Quote: dmitreach

Aurora passed a drinking room in 80's. And it was NOT cheap and NOT fast.

I was just studying at the Naval Academy when the Aurora was being repaired. Even then, in 1986-89, it was known (though this did not get into the press) that almost one name remained from the historical cruiser. The remains of the real "Aurora" were flooded near the Ruchyi base. What is now in the "eternal dock" is actually a model of the ship. We saved a fragment of the superstructure and something else. This was reported several times over the past six months on Radio Zvezda.

[sv100year]

twenty-five again. on the Aurora we changed the underwater part of the hull. the above-water part of the hull, superstructure, the deck deck are original. we, for example, are now repairing MRK and skr. when repairing, a lot of iron, mechanisms and equipment changes, this does not mean that we make another ship.

[sleepy]

Quote: Colonel
"... what is left of the historic cruiser is almost
one name. The remains of the real "Aurora" flooded
near Sestroretsk ... "

Quote: sv100year
"Twenty-five again.
The underwater part of the hull was changed on the Aurora.
The upper part of the hull, the superstructure, the kapras deck are original ... "

What a steady myth, more stable than hearing
about the wedding of Romanov’s daughter on the dishes from the Hermitage.

A lie repeated many times becomes true
taught the head of Nazi propaganda Joseph Goebbels.

If there is a lie, then someone needs it, there is no smoke without fire.

[dmitreach]

Well, this "Punchinel's secret" has already been rubbed down many times. Yes. There is a cut and flooded bottom. The boilers were dismantled (they were generally for a certain grade of coal), some bulkheads were cut. But to say that Aurora is a model is too much.

[Col.]

Quote: dmitreach

But to say that Aurora is a mockup is the same sort of bust.

There is no brute force. In the late 80s, we, the VMA listeners, were told about that "repair" and about the mass of souvenirs, their parts, fragments of the cruiser. They brought copper rivets from the hull plating, the size of a liter can ...
"The further fate of these wrecks is completely unclear. But it is unlikely that something will be done officially, otherwise what then will they start talking about the layout opposite the Nakhimov School, revered by tourists as a true and genuine symbol of the 1917 revolution." This is an excerpt from the article: http://darkcjc.livejournal.com/437845.html

[dmitreach]

Well I said: everything has been known for a long time. If you want to believe that the whole cruiser has been on the pins and needles - believe. I dare not violate the "sacred dogmas about all polymers."
However, here is the question from Eritic: how much does it cost to create a full-sized, detailed layout, in Soviet reality?
Let me give you a hint: seemingly 1:10, the models of MiGs for the film "Golden Eye" (007) are one of the most expensive models in the history of cinema. For its time - an event.
Another example is the scandalous film with Harrison Ford, about our K-19. So there the directors generally sculpted a model of plastic and foam, and at the base was some kind of decommissioned real boat. And the same was worth a little less than a fuck.

[Col.]

Quote: dmitreach

Do you want to believe that the whole cruiser on the needles shared - believe.

"If you want to be happy - be happy!"
Want to believe that the cruiser is real - believe it!

Here, listen, for doubters it is popularly told: http://радио-звезда.рф/teper-budu-znat/1063/
Click the "listen to podcast" player.

[sv100year]

you can listen to what they say on this radio every night, and I listened to what the repair participants said. Since the 99th year I have been working at the factory, and I found the repair participants, they still work now. Time does not spare anything, and if change something on the ship, it’s called repair. if the ship has completely changed the rotten and completely underwater part, this does not mean that the ship was rebuilt again.

[dmitreach]

from the principle, I was bothered by registering on the radio site ... some zhurnalyugi fallen to cheap sensations.
At the end of the podcast, a phrase for fans of tabloids and other things Rentv:

Yes ... That's it ... It turns out that the real cruiser Aurora is flooded in the Gulf of Finland.

Do not cite the ideological followers of Igor Prokopenko as an argument. They will laugh. And know how to separate "gossip" from "Information".

As you can see, most mud-call screamers refer to “concrete case”, “concrete pedestal”, “cut bottom”, “pristine look” ... Therefore, if you hear from such an opinion - spit in shameless Zenki, for, and tear out the vile language.
Where did all these opinions come from? I answer - for two reasons. No, you need to start not from here ... but rather from the beginning of the Aurorie biography. So, the cruiser was far from the most successful. In his life he underwent many repairs and rearmament .....
.........
That is why the underwater part was replaced with a normal steel one (if they didn’t lie to us - using 10HSND steel) - while preserving the curly cast bronze pins and the frame of the steering wheel feather. Now the thickness of the underwater skin is 30-35 mm (that's a lot!).

http://sir-nigel.livejournal.com/131268.html
Learn MatPart.

[sleepy]

Quote: Colonel
"... At the end of the 80s, we, the students of the VMA, were told about that" repair "and about ..."

Unfortunately (as V. Matvienko said), the direct participants in that repair are still alive.

Until the very last days of the USSR, instructors were told to the party school instructors about the wedding of Romanov’s daughter on the fragments of dishes
from the Hermitage. It is believed that these were echoes of Gorbachev’s undercover fight with Romanov.
However, the discussion of this topic cannot affect public opinion, which has not yet got rid of the myth of royal dishes from the Hermitage at the daughter’s wedding ...

[psdf]

Yes, in the early 90s they talked about this all over the country ...
And also about the fact that instead of Lenin in the mausoleum - a wax doll lies.
And all in a serious tone, with all the responsibility.

[dmitreach]

Sergei Kuryokhin's famous show that Lenin is a Mushroom! Soviet classic!

[Homo]

avt! First, get the habit of reading articles to the end. Secondly, do not read between the lines. Thirdly, do not consider everyone dumber than yourself!

[DPN]

Perhaps you are right, in this case it may just get lost somewhere.

[smile]

avt
I really hope that this is precisely the rare case when you are wrong ... I think there is no reason for such pessimism in this case ...

[avt]

Quote: smile

I really hope that this is precisely the rare case when you are wrong ... I think there is no reason for such pessimism in this case ...

I myself would be glad to make a mistake, but I remember the previous "repair" and photographs of the severed hull rotting on the shore. Even in the "Youth Technology" of those years they published. By the way, miraculously, they did not find the cruiser's mortgage board in the abandoned remains. Maybe someone knows its fate? The fact that it was inserted into the updated bottom is not accepted. I will help you with some more drawbacks. And what historical appearance of the cruiser will be restored? After Tsushima repairs? Modernization before October 1917? Or restoration after the Civil War? Who will actually establish which period is truly historical? Although there will be historians for such loot.

[Kars]

Quote: avt

Upgrades before October 1917?

as at the time of the historic shot, the goddess didn’t do anything special.

[ughhh]

Quote: Sakhalininets

I see no reason for irony. Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.

Swell billions to float an ancient, rusty piece of history. Why should he swim? Personally, it seems to me that he looks pretty good in his current place, welded to the pier. Tint, perhaps, to stand another hundred years.
And for these grandmas you can build a modern corvette, for example.

And if you scatter Ahulyards to restore history, then wow what kind of projects you can invent. Cities of any kind to raise from the ashes.

[Grossfater]

The story should be like that - what it was. Otherwise, others will write it.

[sleepy]

Quote: ughhh
"Throw in billions to float an ancient, rusty piece of history.
Why would he swim? Personally, it seems to me that it looks quite good at its current location, welded to the pier. To touch up, perhaps, so that it will stand for another hundred years ... "

It’s bad that billions are being pumped into projects that are in the USSR
cost much cheaper.

"... On a historic ship built in 1903, a participant in three wars
and two revolutions in addition to docking worth about 400 million rubles, it is planned to carry out restoration work in the amount of
about 7 billion rubles (more than 220 million dollars).
As I remembered (for comparison), one of the engineers factory
participated in the overhaul of the ship in 1984-1987,
then "all costs were kept within 32 million full-weight Soviet rubles,
this amounted to less than $ 50 million, and the volume of work performed to re-equip the ship under the project 01917 was incomparably higher. " http://flot.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=144370

[sleepy]

Quote: ughhh
"... Personally, it seems to me that it looks quite good at its current place, welded to the pier. To touch up, perhaps, so that it will stand for another hundred years ..."

Rumors that the cruiser "Aurora" is standing on a concrete base are based on the fact that the underwater part of the cruiser has not been utilized and is in a flooded state near the village of Ruchi.
At some regular Plenum in the USSR, the issue of restoration work on the cruiser was on the agenda. Various options were proposed, up to placing the cruiser in a dry dock, as the hull of the cruiser Aurora was in disrepair.
But the political decision prevailed - the cruiser should remain on the move and be able to reach America in the future.
As a result, the underwater part was completely replaced.
However, no one dared to take responsibility for checking the seaworthiness of the cruiser after repair, since the changes in the underwater part were significant.

And just to tint - this is not enough to stand for a hundred years.
"Emergency on ship number 1:" Aurora "fell on its side".
http://www.kp.ru/daily/25920/2872411/

[taseka]

Quote: sleepy

about 7 billion rubles (more than 220 million dollars).

Then, as always, they catch the thieves and make the news about the rospile !!!

[T-100]

Well, nifiga yourself 1 billion rubles, you can build a new corvette. They’ll sprinkle it with gold or go around it with a leopard skin. Or maybe they’ll put a nuclear installation. 1 mldr - this is of course bust)))

[APASUS]

Quote: T-100

1 mldr is of course bust)

So do not write in the prospectuses that the cost of 5 cottages on the Cote d'Azur of France is included there.

[Garrin]

Quote: APASUS

So do not write in the prospectuses that the cost of 5 cottages on the Cote d'Azur of France is included there.

But I wonder how many summer cottages, on the same shore, are clogged in the Mistral?

[sanych your division]

only 5 ??? Yes, you are an optimist my friend !!! they also have children !!! and they want to eat and live, but not like yours! uh ... differently

[Lopatov]

Not too much. Even cheap.

[dmitreach]

Lard, of course it is more than .... If so, according to the lard for all historical ships and vessels, then ....
but, nevertheless, it’s worth it.

[dmitreach]

Lard, the same money is not frail ... One and a half An-140

[sir.jonn]

Quote: T-100

1 mldr - this is of course bust

Yudashkin spent 120 lyamas for sketches of sweatshirts for the army, but then instead of rags, he would have to pull steel, probably he knocked out an estimate for old Tsereteli.

[Olegovi4]

Yeah, and then again the St. Petersburg bureaucrats will have the holidays on the ship for a walk. Apparently, they did not like it very much last time, they decided to make a "renovation".

[Lopatov]

It cannot be restored after many "repairs". Just a remake. And is he needed like that?

[sergeschern]

I read about the overhaul in the 80s, so they did this: the entire underwater part of the hull was made of stainless steel - so that "forever"! And the old bottom lay for a long time in the open air.

[sleepy]

Quote: sergeschern
"... that's what they did there: the entire underwater part of the hull was made
from stainless steel - so that "forever"! .. "

They used special steel, the production technology of which
somehow connected with space.
But because of this, the center of gravity changed and the cruising properties of the cruiser presumably changed after repair, which should be checked
then no one took a chance.

[sv100year]

what seaworthiness to check on a non-self-propelled vessel?

[dmitreach]

by tug

[sv100year]

is this a joke?

[w.ebdo.g]

I think it is advisable to repair the hull below the waterline (apply a plastic coating with anti-corrosion treatment of the metal of the hull), this, together with lifting to the dock, is not more than 100-200 million rubles.
and spend the rest billions on creating themed museums of "Aurora" and military glory throughout the country.
on average, one such museum will cost the state no more than 10 million rubles + 1 million per year subsidies if museums are not self-supporting (free). we get for 800-900 million rubles. no less than 80 museums in the largest cities of the country ...
there will be much more sense to raise patriotism, and the ship will be saved ...
I think so.

[Atlon]

Quote: Sakhalininets

I see no reason for irony. Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.

That's it! And now they will run over again ... Victory Parade is dear to them ... Let’s better distribute the money ... Is it really not clear what exactly is such a project and such monuments that a power is strong? It is such historical milestones that educate the future generation, arouse respect of the world community, give reasons to be proud of their homeland! But it’s not at all how much money was handed out, and how many sausages from soya with monosodium glutamate each bought on them!
Aurora - in action!

[Petrospek]

and if you don’t put it on the move, will it cease to be history?

[papas-57]

The future generation will learn from examples of how officials sawed the money allocated for various projects and did not sit down. Restoration is needed, but something confuses the amount (the inverse relationship between the amount and the bureaucrats conscience)

[does it]

Quote: Sakhalininets

I see no reason for irony. Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.

I do not argue with you, but I completely agree with avt .Aurora is a symbol of the October Revolution, a symbol of Bolshevism. Today, olegarchs and priests are in power, for both of them this symbol ... ...... .. ...... so that everything can be ...

[Atlon]

Quote: kvirit

Aurora is a symbol of the October Revolution, a symbol of Bolshevism.

Learn a better story of the cruiser ... In particular, its history in the Second World War.

[Lopatov]

And even better in Russian-Japanese.
Together with "Oleg" against eight Japanese cruisers.

[does it]

[Atlon] Learn a better history of the cruiser ... In particular, its history in the Second World War. [/ Quote]
[quote = Lopatov] And even better in Russian-Japanese. Together with "Oleg" against eight Japanese cruisers. [/ quote]
Yes, I am familiar with the history of the cruiser.

[anton107798]

Quote: Sakhalininets

I see no reason for irony. Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.

Well then, you need to transfer the entire fleet of the Russian Federation to historic ships, because this is the same story! Then it’s definitely not who will not defeat the Russian fleet, because everyone will die of laughter

[smile]

anton107798
maybe you should broadcast it striped and the Japanese with their missions and mikasami? or discussion of host behavior is a taboo for you? Did you die of reverence? It is believed that higher vertebrates cannot live without a brain ... share a secret, how do you manage?

[anton107798]

Quote: smile

share the secret, how do you manage?

as well as respect for you. You live ...

[Civil]

what is left of the real Aurora? In the 80s, they cut everything ...

[anton107798]

[quote = Zomanus] will be able to live and learn, "passing the first ship practice on the legendary ...
Study? to what? Will the ship go to sea? or will coal learn to throw correctly in boiler furnaces? For that kind of money, a better training ship would be better built ... Although it’s right, officials also need dachas

[not good]

"Perekop" and "Smolny" are enough for the eyes today. And in the USSR there were also "Khasan", "Gangut", "Luga", "Oka" and many more small training ships brought together in DUK. "Gangut" was given to the border guards, they wrote it off, and with the rest of the educational shipping company "merry" (although the DUK is still more likely to be alive in Kronstadt). Until today, two CCs were enough to carry out their tasks with a margin, but after resuscitation, recruitment to naval schools already after 2 3 years of "Perekop" and "Smolny" will not be enough. That's where the "Aurora" will be repaired .
The main thing is that during the repair of the "Aurora" they would not forget to restore the bow tank gun, and then they sent the CRUISER OF THE REVOLUTION to Moscow. Suddenly, the tank gun will shoot ... as in the 17th ...

[Alexander Romanov]

That's where they drank loot - I do not want. After a year we find out that half of the funds spent for other purposes.
Off topic a little, but ...... people think I’ll understand, forgive.

Former Chinese governor sentenced to corruption for life
In China, a court sentenced the former head of Shandong Province to life imprisonment, convicting him of corruption. It is reported by Reuters.

According to the investigation, from 1998 to 2011, Huan Shen received 12 million yuan from businessmen as bribes - about $ 1,95 million.

All property of the convicted ex-governor will be confiscated.http://news.mail.ru/politics/12978523/

[trenkkvaz]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

В
According to the investigation, from 1998 to 2011, Huan Shen received 12 million yuan from businessmen as bribes - about $ 1,95 million.

All property of the convicted ex-governor will be confiscated. [/ B] http://news.mail.ru/politics/12978523/

A question for backfill. Did this Huan Shen know what he was facing when committing these offenses?

[Mikado]

I think he knew that he faces the death penalty, in China it threatens everyone who has stolen for half a million dollars or more. Then he, apparently, made a deal with the investigation, handed over whom it was necessary and set sail for life

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: trenkkvaz

A question for backfill. Did this Huan Shen know what he was facing when committing these offenses?

Of course I knew, because in 13 years I scored less than 2 million bucks. I was afraid to take a lot from everyone.

[sergeschern]

Scientific fact: the so-called "risk gene" is present in 7 percent of people, i.e. even knowing about the punishment, they risk, while getting an "adrenalin high." And what do they risk with us? (in all honesty) - only 2-4 years, and even then conditionally! So they "pull" money 100 percent!

[lelikas]

Quote: trenkkvaz

A question for backfill. Did this Huan Shen know what he was facing when committing these offenses?

And Serdyukov? ;)

[cth; fyn]

And Serdyukov? ;)

Believe, hope, wait

[Kaa]

Quote: cth; fyn

Believe, hope, wait

Quote: lelikas

And Serdyukov?

"Former Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov will be able to avoid jail time. This is the opinion of the majority of the participants in the online discussion on the topic" Will Serdyukov come out dry? "Held by Finam.info. Most likely, only executors will receive real terms, and high officials will get off with suspended sentences. Military observer Viktor Baranets believes that Anatoly Serdyukov is likely to receive only a suspended sentence: "Criminal cases against Serdyukov, Vasilyeva and throughout his" sharashka "will be brought to court, but some will lie on bunks and receive sentences, maybe not so steep, but Serdyukov and Vasilyeva will be convicted, but in Russian. will receive suspended sentences and, scoffing at us and the Russian Themis, will continue to live quietly. "
The opposite point of view is held by the deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, member of the Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption Dmitry Gorovtsov: “Of course, if the investigation establishes the guilt of Mr. Serdyukov, then proportionate punishment should follow. I am a supporter of this point of view and I believe that justice will prevail, and the perpetrators will Taking into account the very great public outcry that emerged in the "Oboronservis case", it is obvious to me that this will be a kind of criterion whether the fight against corruption is being waged or not. For me, the criterion will not even be the initiation of a criminal case against Serdyukov personally, but whether this case will go to court, whether there will be a trial and a court verdict. If this happens, then we can safely say that a real fight against corruption has begun in Russia. From my point of view, this will be a kind of litmus test for understanding how real and serious the intentions of the country's leadership are. "
Note that Anatoly Serdyukov is a defendant in the "Oboronservis case", he was summoned for interrogation, new revealing materials appear in the media almost every week, he faces another criminal case. However, no charges were brought against him directly.
http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1648092.html#ixzz2SK3dqwnY

[common man]

The question has been gnawing at me for a long time. Everyone is talking about Serdyukov, a corrupt official in the post of defense minister. But, before that, he was known to be the head of the Tax Inspectorate. "In 2006 he earned 1,25 million rublestaking last place in terms of income among members of the Government of the Russian Federation "- Wikipedia. Was he honest and incorruptible in the tax office, and only in the Ministry of Defense he deteriorated? Or do we need to look, as they say in Odessa, how many taxes Russia missed during his leadership?. when there was nothing to steal from the tax office.

[Petrospek]

if you dig so deep, you can accidentally dig up and ... well, you understand who, but they don’t need it.
So he stole Toko in the Moscow Region.

[smile]

common man
A fair remark ... I also thought about it ... in fact, he brought to the MO a stable organized gang of thieves in skirts and without, which was formed, went through combat coordination in the tax ... it would be strange if they were engaged in the tax anything else ...

[DPN]

YES it is not under jurisdiction, millions themselves came to it, the GDP was tired; it was not already under discussion to talk about it!

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

That's where they drank loot - I do not want.

From the article:

According to him, the ship will be repaired extrabudgetary fundsas provided by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

There is a survey of what kind of extrabudgetary funds and where are they from Min. defense?

[sergeschern]

"And our country became rich again!" - that's what happened, if you confiscate the money of all our zhrebetniks to the treasury!

[SEM]

WHY SUCH COSTS ??? I THINK A BETTER FACTORY FOR THE ISSUE OF HYPERSONIC ROCKETS FOR THESE MONEY (it’s clear that it’s not enough but the little things, so we’ll spend it all together) BUILD ..... yes this is a story but do we really have no priorities ????? Defense, agriculture, production is the main criterion for the success of the state and, most importantly, prosperity. Nobody says that history should wait, but now the time is such that you can lose everything and will never return .....

[Shawnee]

gilding?

Recall that on the night of June 5-6, the cruiser celebrated the birthday of the magazine "Russian Pioneer", which is owned by Prokhorov. About 150 guests were invited to the party, who were entertained by the host Tina Kandelaki and musician Sergey Shnurov. The main military prosecutor's office of the Russian Federation concluded that this event was unlawful and ordered the naval command to bring the perpetrators to disciplinary responsibility. The Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, in turn, issued an order banning the activities on the ships "not related to the life of the troops."

Prokhorov himself then said that he did not feel guilty for the party he organized on the Aurora, since the cruiser had long since lost its symbolism. Now, apparently, he changed his mind.

[sleepy]

No one will answer for the Sabbath on the Aurora.
http://www.km.ru/news/za_shabash_na_avrore_nikto_ne_ot

The main military prosecutor’s office refuses to publicize the results of the scandalous party that took place more than two months ago aboard the legendary cruiser Aurora in St. Petersburg.
Moreover, the commander of the Leningrad Naval Base, Rear Admiral
Anatoly Lipinsky, who gave her the go-ahead, as it turned out,
almost promoted appointed commander
Novorossiysk Naval Base of the Black Sea Fleet.
Read more: http://www.km.ru/news/za_shabash_na_avrore_nikto_ne_ot

[Tatar]

7 billion rubles at a price of a guarding corvette of 8 billion.
0% E2% E5% F2), although it is clear that during repairs 2 times the price will rise. execute everything and it will be okay

[honest jew]

for a billion you can build a new Aurora!

[Garrin]

Quote: Honest Jew

for a billion you can build a new Aurora!

And remodels are unnecessary to us. Keep to the maximum of what is left. Any rivet from the original Aurora is more expensive than a new body.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Garrin

Any rivet from the original Aurora is more expensive than a new body.

Moreover, not only historically. Rescue ship "Commune" is 100 years old. How many modern-built ships can boast of this? Despite the fact that the technical condition of the case is noticeably better than others, ten times newer. TECHNOLOGIES must be restored so that every 10 years the renewal of the ship's personnel does not become a critical task

[Garrin]

Quote: Misantrop

TECHNOLOGIES need to be restored,

Valera, welcome!
Somehow, being at daddy's in the warehouses of NZ, he begged for a sapper shovel born in 1913. Stamp with a two-headed eagle, and no more differences. He chopped any nails with it and not a single notch remained. This is an example of quality, without even touching on "high technologies".

[lewerlin53rus]

I have a friend in a search squad in the Novgorod region. From combat sites, from near Demyansk, he brought me sapper shovels for restoration (I made handles for them) After lying in the ground, as a rule, in a swamp, for decades, they are quite suitable for work. Moreover, Russian shoulder blades are in better condition than German ones.

[Thunderbolt]

I did redevelopment in my house. When disassembling the wall, I came across a walled rail. The metal for the grinder turned out to be very unsuitable for sawing. I was tormented very much. But I cut it off. state-owned factories did ...

[fzr1000]

Rail and current torment grinder cut. It is usually gas cut.

[Thunderbolt]

Thank you, I didn’t know! Yes, and I only warm the seagull on gas.) You broke my stereotype that nails were stronger before. But this story had a place to be

[Bosk]

Previously, nails were made forged, that is, with faces, and the face was in some way RIGID RIGID and ash stump they were stronger, again forging ...

[shurup]

My deceased neighbor in the country, the former Communist detachment in the Second World War, saw the rail in half an hour with a jigsaw for metal and not a dispute without breaking a single blade. Those who have not personally seen do not believe.

[fzr1000]

He, like many partisans, had good "teachers" from foreigners. The "exam" was taken in full and without the right to retake.

[Bosk]

For a grinder, any thick iron is strained, because too much temperature occurs, and this is for a standard drive for any strain.

[lewerlin53rus]

in, I found a picture with a new pen

[Artyom]

excellent sapper blade, forged, in my army was the same, model 1905

[Landwarrior]

These shoulder blades through the woods .. .And come across Interventions, and Winter, and the Second World War ... Helmets rot, and this, at least figs

[vjatsergey]

And long ago, in the 80s, an ax with the stigma of 1941 was brought to me, when I sharpened it (I was tortured to sharpen it), I built a whole log cabin and did not sharpen it more than once. That was steel. Although it seems like an ordinary ax.

[Thunderbolt]

In those days, steel was steel. Now they don’t know how.

[Bosk]

Then I remembered about 20 years ago that they dismantled an old barn of the post-war construction, the grilles on the windows turned out to be walled-in barrels of Mosin rifles, and interestingly, the zealous owner filled the barrels with a solid ....

[Andrey from Tver]

By the end of the 1970s, the Aurora corps came into disrepair. The interdepartmental commission convened by the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy in the fall of 1980, after six months of work, presented a conclusion on the technical condition of the hull and proposed three ways to ensure the cruiser's buoyancy. After two years of research, all three options were rejected: they decided to conduct a repair repair with the replacement of damaged elements of the hull structures. The Northern Design Bureau was appointed as the designer, and the shipbuilder named after A. A. Zhdanov became the executor [239]. Despite protests from fleet historians [240], who sought to preserve a unique monument of technology and history, engineers decided to completely replace the underwater part with the use of modern technology.

August 18, 1984 "Aurora" was aft forward brought up to the wall of the plant. The following year, the hull was entered into the dock, where almost the entire underwater part of the hull was separated. At the end of summer, the repaired equipment was loaded into the newly rebuilt bottom and installation of the armored deck began. Belleville-Dolgolenko boilers were replaced with mock-ups; the machine was saved [241]. Part of the unnecessary armor went to the manufacture of commemorative crafts and souvenirs. After completion in the boathouse, by April 1987, the extremities with bronze pins were welded to the cruiser, on which pieces of a genuine hull were attached; In addition, superstructures, pipes and masts were installed. Then the reconstruction of the premises was started, which they tried to restore in their original form.
By August 1987, the "restoration" of the Aurora, which cost approximately 35 million rubles, was completed [242]. There are various assessments of the work done: a new underwater part, electric welding seams and the use of modern technologies have given rise to talk about the transformation of Aurora into a remake.
The underwater part of the cruiser was not disposed of and, as of 2011, is in a flooded state near the settlement of Brooks of Kingisepp District [242] [245]. Parts of the skeleton sticking out of the water in the 1980s were pulled away by building residents of a nearby village.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C0%E2%F0%EE%F0%E0_(%E1%F0%EE%ED%E5%EF%E0%EB%F3%E1%
ED%FB%E9_%EA%F0%E5%E9%F1%E5%F0)

[lelikas]

So that's the problem - this is already 70-80% remake, there is very little left of the original.
It is necessary to maintain it in good condition, but here is another alteration of everything and everything will definitely make the ship 100% m remake.

[sanych your division]

and you still give yourself a report in which state will a new aurora be built? in america a missile carrier will be lowered on these pennies

[dmitreach]

In this connection, YOU have such sorrow? (I'm afraid to ask an "honest, French Jew" ...)

[Zomanus]

Really cut and rollback. Or maybe on the anniversary of the revolution again they will start to sound ... fighting?)))

[honest jew]

it would be nice

[Rrv]

The Fate of GIPHA: rkrp-rpk.ru/content/view/4933/1/

[Petrospek]

The ISU died in the 90s, like the half of the country, so most research institutes ended, and this is reality, Matvienko has nothing to do with it.

[sleepy]

Quote: Petrospek
"The GIP-x died in the 90s, like half of the country, this is how most research institutes graduated
and this is reality, Matvienko has nothing to do with it. "
Matvienko, of course, has nothing to do with it.
She was deputy chairman of the Executive Committee of the Leningrad City Council,
Head of the Department of Culture of Mountains. Leningrad.

"March 18, 1987,20 thousandth unauthorized
protest rally on St. Isaac's Square was dispersed
units of the Internal Troops introduced into the city.
Immediately after that, at about 14 pm, the Angleterre façade collapsed ...
Deputy Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Leningrad City Council, Head of the Department of Culture Valentina Matvienko, tucked away
Ministry of Culture order to ban demolition of the monument, personally responsible for this act of vandalism. 1987 year.

"In 2007, the administration of Matvienko switched from" piece "demolitions
in the historical center to the scorched earth tactics -
the destruction of entire neighborhoods of the Old City.
The first example of unprecedented demolitions was the historic quarter between Wesenberg and Leuchtenberg streets
(now - Shkapina and Rosenstein), where they were immediately demolished
23 buildings of the era of eclecticism and Art Nouveau.
A lie repeated many times becomes true
taught the head of Nazi propaganda Joseph Goebbels.
Under Governor Valentin Matvienko, the victim of this rule was
a whole block of old Petersburg.
The idea that the quarter between Shkapina and Rosenstein streets is a slum that does not represent any architectural value was introduced into the mass consciousness. But that is a lie.
And she does not become true from the fact that
Governor Matvienko repeated it many times ... "
http://sensusnovus.ru/analytics/2011/03/20/6323.html

It is still unclear why such a rush, and even undermining it.
The Angleterre building wasn't all that bad.
And in the future they didn’t blow it up, but demolished it.
http://imho.gazeta.spb.ru/489-0/
Why such a rush to destroy a building in 1987?

[itr]

Listen to you so we take up arms
So you answer hi you in your home country in Israel make a revolution
The moment will come and there will be order in this country
And please arrange a civil one personally, I will even send money if possible

[smile]

itr(
A rotten clip-art ... ten words, three clearly shown enemies, the main thing is the bloody footprints of a bear on the map ... and the only intelligible appeal is to arrange bloody chaos in the country ... Russophobe's blue dream ... I can’t imagine how much it needs to be brainless to narrate to it ...

[Thunderbolt]

And it doesn’t even disguise itself: a beard and a hat, everything with him. He throws his agitations into the open because of the cordon.

[smile]

honest jew
Well, why are these little thingies? Are you burning a people's hearts with a verb? ... in the video for the barricades people are called ... text that is designed for emotions, not mind ... well, go on, who should be killed first? How good it will be in St. Petersburg, and in the whole country, after barricades and life-giving washing with blood ... what did you think about when you posted THIS here? ... ordinary swamp defecation affects only oligophrenics ... or is it you joked?

[aszzz888]

But the memory will remain, and in a dozen, I hope after the repair, who will remember this billion there? And what will be its face value at that time? Let them repair, maybe another generation will remember Aurora.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: aszzz888

? Let them repair, maybe another generation will remember Aurora.

Ask youth what AURORA has become famous for hear a lot of new and unexpected.

[aszzz888]

Do not live one day, Alexander.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: aszzz888

Do not live one day, Alexander.

Yes, I do not live, but you ask the youngsters about the 2nd world war, it’s time to clutch your head. And you about the Aurora.

[DPN]

Aurora and World War 2, and for us the Great Patriotic War is the memory of our MOTHERLAND-USSR, which today's authorities, with the help of the Russian media, simply want to ERASE youth. Maybe you remember in the ABC book SLAVES NOT WE, WE NOT SLAVES.
Now everyone in power says that the Cook cannot manage the state. And where do they come from? Therefore, they don’t care less when the young are dancing on the monuments of the Second World War.

[aszzz888]

I do not advocate a return to that past. But we had it. We must relate to this philosophically. And for our young generation, not all of course, I am really bitter and offended. Well, God be their judge!

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Ask young people why AURORA became famous for many new and unexpected things to hear.

Hello Alexander.
billion for Aurora, it would be better for veterans in apartments.
Lord, how many people can hang noodles on the ears. APEC passed in Vladik - the sea has sunken grandmas, how are the results? Alexander .
Soon the Olympics and the World Cup.

Super expensive restaurant opened in Moscow.
The first visitor is an Englishman. I ordered oatmeal, pudding and a glass of whiskey.
I drank, ate, everything on the highest level. They bring him a bill for 5 bucks.
He is shocked: there are no such attendants, but credit cards are not accepted. Him
explain:
- You see, in our restaurant there is such a rule: if the client cannot
pay off - they cut off any limb of his choice.
The Englishman broke in, but sees that there is nothing to do. Laid on the table
left hand, well, he was drawn to him ...
The next visitor is an American. Ordered beer, steak, hamburgers there
all sorts of things. Account for 10 tons. History repeats itself. In short, we drew him in
the result is the right hand.
In the evening comes a new Russian with a bunch of whores. Tables moved, ordered
all that was champagne and vodka was a river. All night thumped while under
the tables didn’t hit.
In the morning, HP raises his face from the salad. In front of him is a waitress with a bill on
one and a half lemon pots. He stupidly looks at her, and she begins to him
explain about the rules. He listened to her, got up, threw out his pants and
put on the table. The waitress in horror:
- What!? Hack?!?!?!
- Suck, you fool !!! Money is like dirt!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

APEC passed in Vladik - grandmother the sea sunken, how are the results? Alexander .
Soon the Olympics and World Cup

Hello! two bridges were built, the roads were paved. part was stolen.
You better tell me what the hell and what in Syria bombed?

[Misantrop]

Quote: atalef

billion for Aurora, it would be better for veterans in apartments.

And how many times have billions been allocated to veterans for apartments? Fingers of one hand is enough to count those veterans (real ones), who actually get those apartments?
Let IMHO it's better to saw on the "Aurora", less wasted hopes for veterans ...

[lewerlin53rus]

billion for Aurora, it would be better for veterans in apartments.

One of the lovers here the other day offered money instead of a parade to give to veterans. Do not stand the idea?

[sanych your division]

it’s better to fuck these dibs on a normal education. although ... and there they saw ... a vicious circle

[Alekseir162]

Now the "Aurora" will be repaired, it will enter the Neva and shoot from the main caliber. The fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it ... the counter should be pondered.

[Egoza]

Quote: Alekseir162

she will enter the Neva River and get banged out of the main caliber.

But the Moscow River will not pass?

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Alekseir162

Now the "Aurora" will be repaired, it will enter the Neva and shoot from the main caliber. The fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it ... the counter should be pondered. bully

There was an anecdote at one time: "
- Why is everything in St. Petersburg?
- "Aurora" stands. Maybe shoot again. "
I want to believe that not everything is measured by money. "Aurora" is our story.

[DPN]

Therefore, it will be in permanent repair until it evaporates.

[honest jew]

such money is not a pity for such a thing, the problem is different, whether they will be spent on purpose ...

[sanych your division]

my dear! drive a year later to Cote d'azur and see what the restoration of this glorious ship is going into. in a number of wonderful mansions. and all this despite the fact that it is impossible to own real estate abroad. but when you really want it ...

[Petrospek]

oo, well, it depends on what you mean by the phrase "by appointment"

[SEM]

Quote: honest Jew

such money is not a pity for such a thing, the problem is different, whether they will be spent on purpose ...

Stupid question for an honest Jew)))

[individual]

Yes! It's time for repair. And then it is dangerous for M. Prokhorov and his colleagues, the oligarchs, to stomp the deck - the bl *** *** will fail.

[Rodriques]

Quote: SEM

WHY SUCH COSTS ??? I THINK A BETTER FACTORY FOR THE ISSUE OF HYPERSONIC ROCKETS FOR THESE MONEY (it’s clear that it’s not enough but the little things, so we’ll spend it all together) BUILD ..... yes this is a story but do we really have no priorities ????? Defense, agriculture, production is the main criterion for the success of the state and, most importantly, prosperity. Nobody says that history should wait, but now the time is such that you can lose everything and will never return .....

First of all, priority should be in our heads, so the restoration of the Cruiser Aurora is justified, the cruiser is not a symbol of revolution, as some liberal trolls of this site try to imagine, but a symbol of the Russian spirit in the first place.

[Petrospek]

so under the Soviet regime they put him on a joke, at the same time, in your opinion, it turns out that they (the Soviet authorities) are all liberals and ne ... you?

[Rodriques]

Quote: Honest Jew

such money is not a pity for such a thing, the problem is different, whether they will be spent on purpose ...

What do you feel sorry ?? Of money? Do not tell, Russia is on the right track, and we will show you the year 1113.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Rodriques

... we will show you the year 1113.

1117th?
Or the 2117th?

[gladysheff2010]

Patriotism is not worth that much money, especially if we recall the participation of the cruiser in the Russo-Japanese war, and it is not so important that Russia lost that war, but the courage and heroism of the Russian sailors deserve such perpetuation! This is especially important in light of the historical relations with our eastern neighbor, and let the youth see and remember.

[sanych your division]

young people must first be taught sensibly. so that she is interested in at least something other than the internet of porn, a booze of drugs and glamor. and then neither the machine nor the drawing nor with a gun will have no one to stand soon. this will be ...

[SPACE]

Napping the silent northern city
Low sky overhead
What do you dream about cruiser Aurora
At the hour when morning rises over the Neva

Maybe you again in the clouds shaggy
Guns see far
Or as before in black pea jackets
Your patrols menacingly walk

Waves gray storms gray
Such a share in ships
Their fates are also somewhat similar.
Something like the fate of people

Open spaces breathe the salty wind
Lightnings baptize thunderstorm
What do you dream about cruiser Aurora
At the hour when morning rises over the Neva
What do you dream about cruiser Aurora
At the hour when morning rises over the Neva


I consider Aurora a significant historical monument, the beginning of a new glorious era and important matters, the Great Victory, the flight into space ... And betraying the memory of this is the same as betraying the heroes of war and revolution. It does not matter how much it will cost, but Aurora must be restored. Well, and the cuts and kickbacks and other garbage, I do not want to think and interfere with the memory of the glorious cruiser with all ... Conscience is their judge.

[Vtel]

"The people" asks for a holiday - get Aurora for 1 billion as a symbol of the Revolution that destroyed the Russian Empire and took about 30 million Russian lives, or as an educational rarity. The question is whose order is the bow gun Tovs! Is there a revolution again?

[vladim.gorbunow]

We are waiting, sir. At the Crimean bridge.

[Strezhevchanin]

that ship repair can begin as early as September 2013 and be completed by the summer of 2014.
Uhhhhhhh !!! And I was already tensed, I thought they would reach the 17th In vain, Vladimir Ilyich was buried, it was necessary to resurrect him in the 17th blood from his nose.

[sanych your division]

exactly !!! they forgot about the restoration of Ilyich !!!

[Petrospek]

in! for sure! This symbol of revolution will be steeper than Aurora then!

[patriot2]

How to steal hundreds of millions is so silent, but how to restore the historic ship of the Russian Navy is so squealing that money is a pity? It's not for fireworks or firecrackers for parties. Let there be a full-fledged cruiser for us and our descendants. Let there be a living page in the history of Russia and its Navy!

[Uzer 13.]

Not so long ago, it was already being repaired, it’s like a new bottom was attached. What else happened there? Oh yes, the spy unscrewed the lock nut. Some have helped and want to improve their financial situation, speculating on the holy feelings of the average man. And what time they chose! Which is somehow inconvenient to refuse. We didn’t have time to plant some thieves, look, there are already new ones! (I immediately earn ten or three minuses)

[smile]

Uzer 13.
If there were minuses to you, you wouldn’t mention them ... and so ... mice cried, pricked, but continued to eat a cactus ... it's about you, fearless truth-teller, you can’t resist your rotten nature. .. understand ... but I do not sympathize ...

[Ragnarek]

I believe it is better to spend a billion on the purchase of modern weapons. the whiter the aurora was recently repaired

[Navuxonastupil]

Few people remember, but the Aurora tank gun is recognized as the most destructive artillery system in the history of mankind! Just one shot and a huge country for almost 80 years cannot get around!

[honest jew]

Anatoly Dmitrievich is you ?????

[tetrarx]

Yes, they’re raking in money for themselves. And if they do everything right, Aurora will be no worse than a new corvette.

[Juveviktor]

Quote: Sakhalininets

I see no reason for irony. Aurora is part of our history of the ship and there is nothing wrong with restoring this historical relic.

Totally agree, keep it up and seven feet under the keel Aurora

[viktor_ui]

Regarding the perdyukov is guilty or not guilty: there are those people on the site who remember that our Ministry of Defense created a gold reserve under the roof of the perdyuk ... he transferred it to Shoigu ??? Or is there another heartbreaking golden story ... Is there anyone in the subject?
PySy about the next milliard, kind of like a noble cause ... always pleased the round numbers that caress the ears of the courtiers of the Ostapes of the "northern capital" and as far as I remember, it was already repaired in not so distant troubled times.
Let’s roll up 10 billion there ... summing up the noble historical basis and automatically putting into the enemies all those who can think and ask at the same time UNCOMFORTABLE questions.

[Petrospek]

one might think that the aurora that is standing on the joke is no longer a symbol of revolution, but if it swims, yes!

[VohaAhov]

Quote: T-100

Well, nifiga yourself 1 billion rubles, you can build a new corvette. They’ll sprinkle it with gold or go around it with a leopard skin. Or maybe they’ll put a nuclear installation. 1 mldr - this is of course bust)))

Well, what a bust. A modern Mig-29 fighter with a malfunctioning unit is roughly what it costs, and the cost of a corvette is 12-15 times more. Fleet pleasure is expensive.

[dmitreach]

From the published procurement plan.
- An autonomous field camp / camp of a closed life support cycle. So I understand that we are talking about a German field camp. 9 sets for 500 million rubles.

[sanych your division]

instantly costs up to 40 million dalaris the latest state corvette packed at a reluctance of 300 million i.e. the same amount is planned for the repair of Aurora. Stop! the wages of workers in the United States and we have the same? but who brains powder? !!!

[dmitreach]

What language do you read? It is written RUBLES.
This is almost 17 BMD-4m, if for 60 lyamov.
or one and a half An-140
- Aircraft An-140. 3 units for 1 rubles.
or
- Tactical protected multipurpose vehicle "Typhoon-U" and its modifications. 30 cars with a total cost of 1 rubles.

[dmitreach]

Let's measure the length in parrots. (from the cartoon)
The cost of modernization of Aurora is approximately equal to one and a half An-140.

[Xunta]

Quote: VohaAhov

Modern fighter

Quote: VohaAhov

Mig-29

In what place is it modern? It is old enough, and unnecessary.

[jagdpanzer]

veterans better let them help for this billion only honestly

[Rrv]

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[Uzer 13.]

You're right, bro. You have to close this enclave.

[Uzer 13.]

Cons are set by lured Moscow comrades. They always call Russia the province and Zamkadye, and Moscow the capital. They themselves have dual citizenship (just in case).

[Rrv]

Yes, I myself, in general, am a Moscow comrade

[smile]

Uzer 13.
What are you talking about? Do you think that if you clean the capital of the country from the inhabitants whom you call Moscow comrades, then the whole country will breathe a sigh of relief? and then clean up the next one, and yet .... of course, there’s not enough brain for more .... And again you suffer about the minuses ... yeah ... this is not treated ...

[pinecone]

Quote: jagdpanzer

veterans better let them help for this billion only honestly

They help in Murmansk. For Victory Day veterans of the Great Patriotic War, a gift - a free funeral. An initiative of a commercial company called "War Memorial Company". Nothing more, nothing less.

[d.gksueyjd]

So, by the way, funerals are very expensive, and many veterans are well over 80. Draw your own conclusions, but this is a really noble cause and care for veterans (now he can spend the so-called "coffin" on his life). The media can vulgarize any business, and abolish the vulgar!

[Xunta]

Well, why the hell needed to restore this trough? The shame of the fleet, along with the potter’s crap.

[Apollo]

Quote: Xunta

Well, why the hell needed to restore this trough? The shame of the fleet, along with the potter’s crap.

You came here to troll, or write something worthwhile. Minus to you for the troll

[Xunta]

Quote: Apollon

or write something worthwhile

Exactly. Why this floating shameful trough is needed - no one can say. The breed is like that.

[sniper]

Quote: Apollon

Troll

Greetings buddy !!! And this is not our Vasily ??? Already painfully similar .... It is necessary to ban such.

[studentmati]

Hail Nicholas! It looks like the next one that got to the keys ... There is no respect either for the team, or for the site participants, or for the State, or even for himself ...

[sniper]

Alexander ! Glad to meet you !!!

[lewerlin53rus]

And this is the same "Kolobok" and others who are regularly banned, and he again climbs out like a chiriy. And at least once he wrote something worthwhile. And so only a solid obsiralovo.

[tomich]

while the United States, in the meantime, successfully tested a hypersonic missile, we’ll probably also fight back from it. country of idiots. billion on this trough it's complete nonsense

[Renat]

The cruiser must be restored and put on the move. Let him visit at least our ports and propagandize our history. Let young sailors study. I need a lot of money, I agree, but the president of the Bank of Moscow took 510 billion. Catch him, tear off everything that is and take the same eternal young and let him scrub the deck. fabulous money is being stolen around and there is no money for the history and future of Russia. Absurd. Invest today a ruble, tomorrow you will receive patriotic youth and the day after tomorrow a strong country.

[Semyon Albertovich]

Money is not a pity for this - the main thing would not be stolen.

[Dimy4]

Good job conceived. If only in reality it would not have turned out so that a hammer for four thousand, a screwdriver for five .........

[Narkom]

carry out dock and factory repair of the cruiser with the maximum preservation of the historical appearance

what kind of preservation of the historical appearance we are talking about, Aurora does not correspond to its original appearance by 98% (By the way, for some reason on the museum's website it is simply called "a first rank cruiser" instead of "an armored cruiser of the first rank" and the type "Diana" is not specified)

[sandrmur76]

Personally, it seems to me that more time will pass and then repair again, then repair again, etc. And Aurora will be a goldfish! I am not against history, BUT there are many areas where money is needed. Medicine, kindergartens, schools, the army, etc.

[120352]

This is all cheaper than shame on Krestovsky. Aurora is one of our Leningrad symbols, a monument not only to the revolution, but also to many other glorious deeds.

[Uzer 13.]

Your symbols must then be repaired with your own money. Throw it one by one, you will not be impoverished. Or you yourself come with hammers and chisels and rivet this old machine.

[sleepy]

Quote: uzer 13
“Then you have to repair your symbols with your own money.
Throw in there a piece, you will not become poorer ... "

The budget is funded by taxpayers.
So by the way and / or more already ripped off.
Torn off for repairs, and for utilities, and for tolerance,
and for the stadium on Krestovsky ...
a lot of what was torn off, but the result is not happy.

[Uzer 13.]

I myself am not in the best position. Five years ago I retired and I was already paid 4500 rubles. I still work. Therefore, I would like to get my share out of this billion. You won’t say that the old piece of iron is more important than a production veteran?

[sleepy]

Quote: uzer 13
"... You won't say that an old piece of iron is more important,
is a production veteran? "

Of course, I will not say what the conversation is about.
On the other hand, when Sobchak was still in power, I heard a lot about
what if money swelled into tanks, aviation, navy, into space
to divide all this money among all equally, it would be all
great happiness - and frying pans, and coffee grinders, and even TVs, refrigerators, washing machines and cars.

And so the idea was born to divide everything equally in the form of vouchers.
It’s time for the author of the idea of ​​voucherization to erect a monument ...
to remember notgrateful descendants.

[smile]

Uzer 13.
Bliiiin .... excuse me, it turned out that you are great older than me ...... I had no right to paraffin you like that .... sorry !!!!! I won’t be anymore ...... I’m really ashamed ...... but how could you, in that case, fall so low ........ it’s simply inexplicable ....

[Drosselmeyer]

Damn, it’s better for us to build something on the Black Sea Fleet for this money. And then soon in Sevastopol tourists the Black Sea Fleet ships will be ashamed to show, because of the year of construction.
Some kind of crazy waste.

[DPN]

Aurora is a symbol of fair life, at the moment this symbol is in the way, and suddenly it will blow again in the WINTER! PUTIN and CHUBAIS will not stand it.

[Skunk]

I doubt that this is a symbol of a just life - it is a symbol of red terror, a symbol of Bolshevism, a symbol of the mob that came to power, a symbol of the destruction of spirituality. Shorter shitty character. It's like dried Lenin in a mausoleum. Remove them soon and it will be good.

[sleepy]

Quote: Skunk
"... this is a symbol of the red terror, a symbol of Bolshevism, a symbol of the rabble that came to power, a symbol of the destruction of spirituality. In short, a worthless symbol ..."

I always considered the cruiser "Aurora" primarily as a symbol of courage of Russian sailors in the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-1905.
And then a symbol of revolution.
And as for the burial of V.I. Lenin - and what, someone prevents him from being buried
humanly with his family?
Something I did not hear the statements of the current figures of the Russian Orthodox Church regarding
Lenin’s burial place, but on the dances all spoke out many times over.
And the Mausoleum also does not fit into the infrastructure - it's time to demolish it
and in its place to build a shopping center in the center of Moscow.

[Skunk]

A symbol of courage? I've always considered "Varyag" as such, although everyone has their own ... And at the Sampsonievsky Bridge "Aurora" also stands as a symbol of courage in the Russo-Japanese War? Not far from the Winter Palace ... And children were also accepted as pioneers there, probably only because of the war with the Japanese. We live in the same city, I wouldn’t deceive myself like that ...
At the expense of Lenin - this is, if you think about it, in the main square of the country, under the walls of the residence of the president, a mummy is stored. Well, what can I say? And when the question of its reburial is raised, ex-communists raise a cry that there is mockery of our EVERYTHING. And in order not to split the society (not to rock the boat), the mummy continues to lie in the center of the country.
Mausoleum ... If there is no mummy, you can dismantle it as unnecessary. You can build an extra platform - look at the parades.

[sleepy]

I will not argue.
"Varyag" - a symbol of courage - but where is he?

And "Aurora" is before your eyes and you can imagine the courage of the sailors
Russian-Japanese war.
For some, the symbol of the revolution is the cruiser Aurora,
shooting a couple of times in the direction of the Winter,
for some, the symbol of the revolution is Lenin’s hut at Razliv,
for some, the symbol of revolution is a pioneer tie,
tied to this ship.

[shurup]

I remain with my opinion. For me, "Aurora" is, first of all, a hero of the Tsushima battle. If restored, then in that form. Mikaz (s) a is a good example.
And it is better to leave the discussions about homeless children and cadets to the new O. Bender, the sons of the Turkish subjects.
Shoigu is not a seaman. In this matter, his fifth voice.
And please do not forget what funds were used to build the Volunteer Fleet and its crown - Novik.

[dmitreach]

it was reported that the price of the unfinished missile cruiser "Ukraine" of project 1164 may vary from $ 1 to $ 4 billion As you know, in 2008, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine at that time Yuri Yekhanurov estimated the cruiser at $ 1,041 billion, but the Russian side called the price "sky-high".

A lard of bucks and a lard of rubles are somewhat different money ... (Course 31rub.)

[Samsebenaum]

I’ve thought about it, and a monument is needed, but on the other hand can a plant be built with this money in a depressed region? I don’t know which is better, but the second option is closer to me.

[studentmati]

I am sure that with the allocated money you can save a monument and build a plant. But this is with a zealous owner. And it will turn out that a number of generals will have a well-built summer house in a beautiful and comfortable place and the boat will be painted, whitened and marafet, to divert the eyes of the public.

[sniper]

Aurora itself is almost a remake, but if you put it on the move ... Maybe then the Bronze Horseman on the move ??? I believe that it should be preserved in the form as it is, but it must be saved!

[studentmati]

The monument should remain a monument, not a commercial enterprise.

[Dimy4]

Alas, in our historical span, this is an impossible dream. These denyuzhki s3.14zdit and there will be no benefit from them. But when the cruiser pro-kha-kha-at is restored, it does not work out, since it already exists. And here it seems to me a more moral component than material. Let the young generation learn our marine traditions on real mechanisms, and not on virtual simulators, since entering the virtual kubrick with a running start you won’t break your head.

[dmitreach]

We measured them in parrots, we will measure them in the Mukhins ...
The dismantling, storage and restoration of the legendary sculptural composition, an outstanding monument of monumental art, “the ideal and symbol of the Soviet era”, cost the budget 2,9 billion rubles.

3 Aurora. And this despite the fact that there are no Navigation equipment and other moving mechanisms.

[Col.]

Quote: dmitreach

The dismantling, storage and restoration of the legendary sculptural composition, an outstanding monument of monumental art, “the ideal and symbol of the Soviet era”, cost the budget 2,9 billion rubles.

No wonder. The restoration was simply carried out by organizations controlled by E. Baturina, the wife of Yu. Luzhkov.

[dmitreach]

how many subtract? 50% of the cost of work? or the fact that the monument was restored and it will stand and stand.

[sleepy]

Quote: Samsebenum
"I've been thinking, and a monument is needed, but on the other hand the plant can
and this money should be built in a depressed region? .. "

There is concern that this new topic is only for the development of budget money.
There is a theme for the construction of "Lakhta Center" in St. Petersburg
http://spb.ria.ru/trend/lahta_center_20082012/

There is a topic of construction the highest mosque In St. Petersburg
"They want to build the tallest mosque in Russia in St. Petersburg"
http://piter.tv/event/V_Sankt_Peterburge_hotyat/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=t
witterfeed

There are many more topics - and each one needs money.
Here is the theme of building a stadium on Krestovsky instead of a demolished stadium
them. S.M. Kirova.

"They promise to build a stadium for Zenit on Krestovsky by the end of 2008. 02.03.2007/XNUMX/XNUMX".
http://www.fontanka.ru/2007/03/02/038/
"Smolny: The cost of the stadium on Krestovsky will be 35 billion rubles. September 12, 2012."
http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/838470-0/
"Prime Minister Medvedev is dissatisfied with the stadium on Krestovsky: the contractor will be changed, the cost will be recalculated again. September 1, 2012".
http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/822103-0/
"Miller said the city officials do not want to build the stadium. They are spending money on other things. September 3, 2012."
http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/823536-0/
"The price of the shameful construction of the stadium has risen again, now it will exceed 43 billion rubles. And it all started with 6,7 billion rubles. September 24, 2012."
http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/854065-0/
“Why the stadium is being built for so long: the work began almost six years ago, and today no one can say for sure when they will end. At the same time, their cost is constantly growing: in 2006 they called 6,7 billion rubles, now we are talking about 43 billions ... September 27, 2012 ".
http://www.kp.ru/online/news/1257353/
"Prime Minister Medvedev reminded Poltavchenko that it is necessary to finish building Zenit Arena. October 11, 2012".
http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/879963-0/
"Smolny has named the next" exact "date for the completion of the construction of the stadium" Zenith "- October 20, 2015. December 20, 2012".
http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/989061-0/
"Smolny promises to work on reducing the cost of the stadium on Krestovsky. October 30, 2012".
http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/911641-0/
"A criminal case was opened for violations during the construction of the stadium on Krestovsky. February 6, 2013."
http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1048866-0/
"The stadium on Krestovsky is being built by migrants who do not have a work permit. March 19, 2013".
http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1115953-0/
"Smolny is to blame for the growth in the cost of the stadium on Krestovsky. This was decided in the Accounts Chamber. March 29, 2013".
http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1135236-1/
"Meanwhile, the question remains, who is responsible for the rise in the price of a football stadium. And will anyone be punished? March 31, 2013 ...".
http://spb.kp.ru/online/news/1403744/
"The Accounts Chamber of St. Petersburg has counted the amount of embezzlement at the construction site of the" shameful stadium ": 14,4 billion rubles were lost from 3,8 billion. April 1, 2013".
http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1137921-0/
"Neither the federal budget nor Gazprom will pay for the stadium for Zenit, St. Petersburg taxpayer will pay for everything. April 2, 2013 ".
http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1139049-1/
"... whether there were any machinations, but this relationship suggests certain thoughts. 03 April 2013".
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26056/2967191/

[waisson]

I would not want to lose the symbol of my youth, but it would be funnier to make it out of place by installing new equipment instead of the old one that would remain from AURORA. yes to carry out the overhaul repairs and leave it alone as before, and the remaining money will indeed be allowed to build a new ship for the Navy

[navy33]

I welcome everyone! Aurora must be restored MANDATORY !!! This is a warship with a glorious fighting past, and not just a reminder of the tragedy of 1917. History must be preserved for posterity!

[d.gksueyjd]

Quote: Navy33

just a reminder of the tragedy of 1917

And for me the tragedy of 1991, and 17 the natural end of the monarchy!

[cortel]

Master 400 million in less than a year, only in Russia can.

[Suhov]

A billion rubles to be spent on repairs

Somehow anxious in my soul ...
"Aurora" will be repaired: will it bang, and again the Great October Socialist Revolution?
Somehow anxious in my soul ...

[Takashi]

I do not need such a "story" for 1 mln. Let this goddess stand at the wall and please the tourists.
And for 400 million-1 milliliters for a Nakhim, you can build a completely modern ship (I think even 2). In an extreme case, take the watchmen removed from the service., Or build 2-3 sailing brig \ schooners)

[Bosk]

Although Aurora is not the best example of technology of those times, it still needs to be restored, preferably to its original form, because this is our history and practically the only example of technology of those times.

[papas-57]

Isn’t it cheaper to build a new Aurora for that money?

[Landwarrior]

It’s strange that when they talk about Aurora, they only remember 1917. But somehow no one remembers the fact that this cruiser also fought in the Russo-Japanese War. And there is something about it. Tsushima after all. How many cruisers survived then? That's it
And in the 1st World War he also did not stand still.