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Japan and Russia: Peace Enforcement ...

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As is known, in late April, an extended Japanese delegation headed by Prime Minister of the Land of the Rising Sun, Shinzo Abe, visited Russia. For more than ten years, the official Japanese authorities, let's say, did not please us with their visits, and this was perceived by a certain circle of people almost as a Russian diplomatic failure. They say that it was necessary to bring the relationship with a neighbor to such a state that the delegations from Tokyo did not want to fly for 10 years to us. And we, the Russians, from such words, apparently, had to beat our heads against the wall and sprinkle ashes on the same head, cursing ourselves for the “great Russian-Japanese friendship” experiencing difficult times. And in the intervals between the sprinkling of the head and the blows of vertically standing concrete structures with it, most likely, they had to think about how to cajole the Japanese partners so that their friendship towards us began to shine and sparkle.




But the majority of Russian residents did not even think about it. And the long absence of official visits to our country by the Japanese delegations for the overwhelming majority of Russians stood and rode, like, in principle, the Japanese delegates themselves. But Mr. Abe was unable to put up with this state of affairs, who in the territory of Japan itself is determined to be the leader of the right-wing movement. And the status of a right-wing politician, by definition, forces him to move and demonstrate his desire to raise the level of national identity in the Japanese islands. The right political status of Shinzo Abe is like crumbs in bed: they just won't give you peace. So Mr. Abe decided to demonstrate to his people that he is the politician who is not afraid to speak to Russia in a hard language, raising the question of the need to conclude a peace treaty. I gathered my delegation, handed to the journalists accompanying it, leaflets with the necessary questions, plunged into the plane and went to talk to talk with the Russian president.

The visit itself was presented as mainly economic: a reduction in gas prices, the construction of an LNG complex in Japan, an increase in commodity turnover; but everyone understood that behind the economic screen lies the main question. This question is about what will happen with the four islands of the South Kuriles, because of the territorial affiliation of which the peace treaty between Russia (at one time the USSR) and Japan no longer exists for 67 years. And this question, I must admit, made a lot of noise both in Russia and in the country where Shinzo Abe came to us with his retinue.

Vladimir Putin's words about the need to resume negotiations on a peace treaty between Japan and Russia, caused a heated debate in society and in the press. Persons for whom the word “Putin” itself is the most irritating factor in their lives immediately declared that the Russian president “wants to surrender” the Kurils to the Japanese, presenting them to Tokyo on a silver platter. Like, if Vladimir Putin mentioned the need to return to the Kuril negotiation process, it means that you don’t go to a fortune teller, he will give the island to “Japanese” partners ... Someone remembered the term “hikivak” (a draw in judo) that was once used by Putin, who expressed position on the islands, to which you want to strive. Political analysts immediately counted that in this case the hikivake could mean the following: if four islands demand, then Putin allegedly would give two ... The position is certainly entertaining, but why not assume such an option as the same hikivake: Japan transfers Hokkaido to Russia or Okinawa, and Russia is still making concessions and giving it the Southern Kuriles. What is no outcome? .. Concessions should be mutual and equal. Peace treaty, as in any way.

Speaking of Okinawa. Russian political scientist and philosopher Alexander Dugin also attended to a visit of the delegation in Russia and said that it would be better if Putin did give the Japanese four South Kuril islands to the Japanese, instead demanding that the Japanese withdraw the Americans from the Okinawa base. Allegedly, after that, the Americans will lose their influence on Tokyo, and Russian-Japanese relations will certainly normalize, because, in Dugin's opinion, the Japanese without a US military base on their territory are entirely peace-loving people who are prone to good-neighborly relations. They say that if they show military aggression, then it is strictly against their will. That, you understand, Hitlerite Germany was pushing them, but now the Americans are going astray. And they themselves are so innocent and prone to good-neighborliness, what about it except that songs need to be composed ...

The opinion is, of course, not without interest, but why did political scientist Dugin believe that a certain hypothetical withdrawal of American troops from the base in Okinawa is essentially equivalent to the transfer of Japan to the South Kuriles from Russia? What connection can there be between the transfer of lands transferred to Russia as a result of the Second World War and the withdrawal of a certain military contingent on the territory of a foreign state? Yes, under such a bench you can give a good half of the territory of Russia to everyone, demanding, for example, that NATO troops leave the Vistula, and the ODIHR recognizes the elections in Russia as democratic. The exchange ... You can’t say anything ... paraphrasing the words of a famous sports commentator, you can say: we don’t need this exchange. Let us deal with our Okinawa ourselves, and we ourselves will also deal with our Kuriles.

Japan and Russia: Peace Enforcement ...


Apparently, such proposals as “it is necessary to transfer the islands of Japan” and “predictions” in the style of “Putin will give the Kurils of Tokyo” will continue until the end of this issue in Russia itself. And to put this point is very easy. If we position ourselves as a democratic power, then this status needs to be once met. And the main expression of democracy is always and everywhere a plebiscite. In other words, the point in disputes over the status of the South Kuriles, and, consequently, about the peace treaty with the Land of the Rising Sun, is a referendum in Russia. Whether this option is like Japan or not - we should not be interested at all.

The question in the bulletin should be clear and unambiguous, as well as the presentation of the results of this referendum. Now, after the Russians expressed their point of view on whether they want the South Kuril Islands to remain in the Russian Federation or not, and there should be a dialogue on a peace treaty with Japan. If the majority suddenly expresses the opinion that Shikotan, Kunashir, Habomai and Iturup are better to be handed over to “fraternal” Japan (which is unlikely), then the Japanese will be handed the cards. And since the Russian people (as it should be noted, the main source of democracy in the country) draws figs to Japan, then the same President Putin will have a far better opportunity for a productive conversation with Japanese partners: they say, the people decided, and I only the president, elected by this very people - nothing, you know, I can't help it, I have a duty to fulfill the will of the majority of Russians. So let someone then decide to accuse Russia of being undemocratic. Of course, there will be any, but the number of them can be seen from the results of the same referendum ...
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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 6 May 2013 06: 13 New
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    When will everyone finally stop raving? The country, which has completely continued the war and has signed the surrender, makes claims to the country to the winner fool This question has long moved from the category of political into the field of psychiatry. They want a war? can start when ready fellow They want to cooperate, let them shut up, and often remember about Hiroshima
    1. annenkov242
      annenkov242 6 May 2013 06: 29 New
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      I AGREE! And the only way and no other way !!!!
      1. PDM80
        PDM80 6 May 2013 07: 36 New
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        Yes, why hirashima. They can also press the tail in a different way, like the Chinese did. And so if we are in a state of war and Japan should be demonstrated, it’s not a bad idea to drown all their poaching schooners without dismantling, and our poachers at the same time step on their throats so that they become hungry in Japanese fish markets!
        1. Nesvet Nezar
          Nesvet Nezar 6 May 2013 10: 24 New
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          So their zeal for the islands just began with the fact that the markets became hungry at the beginning of the "zero". The border guards cleaned our waters and economic collapse in Hokkaido =))))
        2. Nick
          Nick 6 May 2013 19: 32 New
          +5
          Quote: PDM80
          It’s not a bad idea to sink all their poaching schooners without dismantling, and our poachers at the same time step on their throats so that they become hungry in Japanese fish markets!

          THIS IS ALREADY A CONSTRUCTIVE OFFER good It is necessary to convince the Japanese that it is more profitable to live in peace with Russia without far-fetched territorial claims.
        3. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 7 May 2013 18: 38 New
          +2
          We ought to ... yeah, they’ll blast the bl @ # and that they say we’re doing wrong and the innocent boat whose motor / assault / captain broke has sunk into the left pupil.
          I’m still crap why they didn’t solve the issue of piracy in the Red Sea (make riots, don’t be surprised that you’ll fly to the kidneys) using the radical method of the 15-18th centuries (and the old method, anyway), i.e. you do not want the law to correct the rope, and the fact that the corpse dangles so much more calmly for citizens - for an expensive observation.
          Humanism and liberalism the world when the thread is destroyed.
      2. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 6 May 2013 08: 12 New
        +7
        Quote: Ruslan67
        When will everyone finally stop raving?


        Probably, when PULAB is completely re-equipped.

        Almost 2 years have passed since the decision and the first deliveries to the islands. Where is the sequel being asked?
        For a long time, the Russian authorities, in fact, did not pay serious attention to the state of affairs in the Kuril Islands. And this fall, the situation has changed dramatically. The Russian Ministry of Defense decided to mark modern weapons in the Kuril Islands.
        http://topwar.ru/7592-kurily-vooruzhayut.html
        1. Tolik.
          Tolik. 975 6 May 2013 12: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: GreatRussia
          PULAB

          Dear PULAD
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 6 May 2013 13: 06 New
            +4
            Quote: Tolik.975
            Dear PULAD

            Thank you!
            There is no way to fix it unfortunately.



            According to a representative of the General Staff, a division deployed in the Kuril Islands will be given a brigade of anti-aircraft missile forces. The division itself will not be transformed into a brigade of a new look, contrary to previous reports. Japanese Defense Minister Toshimi Kitazawa said in response that he is closely monitoring Russia's "military activity."

            http://vz.ru/politics/2011/2/15/468825.html
      3. Natalia
        Natalia 6 May 2013 09: 25 New
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        Good morning everyone! And to someone of the day, and maybe even, a good day today!)))
        The ninth article of the Japanese Constitution is a legal norm enshrined in the Japanese Constitution of 1947, which proclaims the state renounces war as a way to resolve international disputes, and, as a result, creates its own ground forces, navy and air force. No amendments, both to the Ninth Article and to the entire Constitution of Japan as a whole, were introduced after May 3, 1947.

        In short, what can we talk about with those who are so specifically inclined by the United States ... and why at all.
        America gave instructions to Japan to bargain for the Kuril Islands from Russia, and then a missile defense system will appear on the same Shikotan to "destroy" the ICBMs of North Korea and Iran. As long as Japan is in the slave submission of America, it would not be worth trusting ... I suppose
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 6 May 2013 09: 35 New
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          Then someone on the site already expressed an idea that I really liked: "Japan has only one way to return the Kuril Islands, to join the Russian Federation as the Honshu-Tokyo Autonomous Okrug and the Hokkaido Oblast" lol
          PS
          We will appoint Nikita Belykh as the governor of the Hokkaidin region lol
          1. UFO
            UFO 6 May 2013 12: 43 New
            +6
            Quote: Natalia
            We will appoint Nikita Belykh as the governor of the Hokkaidin region

            Just not this more cumbersome yap !!! angry
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 6 May 2013 14: 15 New
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              Quote: UFO
              Just not this more cumbersome yap !!!

              laughing
              Yes, I understand your anger and I know that he (Belykh) is a radish. But this is so that the Japanese do not relax, and learn about the charm of the bureaucratic machine and the charm of such a situation like: "Gentlemen, samurai, where did the money allocated for the construction of roads go?" laughing laughing laughing
              "why is it now so expensive to pay for utilities?", "why no one warned of the approaching tsunami?", "and when will they give warm water?" laughing
          2. sanych
            sanych 6 May 2013 15: 41 New
            +2
            Ohhhhh !!!!! This is the best comment !!! laughing Thank! He laughed heartily !!!!
          3. kontrol
            kontrol 6 May 2013 19: 52 New
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            and bulk to help him
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco 6 May 2013 10: 16 New
          +5
          [quote = Natalia]. As long as Japan is in the slave submission of America, it would not be worth trusting ... I suppose




          From a dead donkey the ears of Japan and not the island.
          I think so. GDP is not belted by anything)))). And Yapov’s situation is not the one to dictate the conditions. Not we granted them, but they to us. And that’s exactly what the United States has done.
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 6 May 2013 10: 24 New
            +6
            Quote: Sirocco
            And Yapov’s situation is not the one to dictate the conditions.

            I would say since 1947, Japan has not been able to dictate to anyone or anything ... I believe it is no secret to anyone that all of Japan’s foreign policy is dictated by the strategic aspirations of her mistress, namely the United States ... the Japanese can quietly glander them ( USA) hate, but they can’t do anything about it.
            1. Sirocco
              Sirocco 6 May 2013 10: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Natalia
              .Japanese can hate them (USA) with a quiet glander, but they cannot do anything about it.

              I don’t know who to send to your ears. Here it is an independent Japan. Like Mongolia. laughing
          2. Retx
            Retx 6 May 2013 12: 45 New
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            The opinion of GDP on this whole situation can be seen in one picture (attention to Putin’s hand =))
            1. psdf
              psdf 6 May 2013 13: 00 New
              +4
              When I have a desire to reduce the opponent’s point of view by 2 times, I, as a law-abiding and well-educated cultural person, also do about the same.
            2. Simon
              Simon 6 May 2013 15: 20 New
              +6
              Wow! Putin’s strategic handle looks like a rocket. I think that Putin has the idea to put such pens on the Kuril Islands. yes
            3. sasha.28blaga
              sasha.28blaga 7 May 2013 03: 09 New
              +3
              Yes, Putin does not care what this Japanese says. He will buy them all, then sell them, and then buy them again cheaper.
            4. kostiknet
              kostiknet 8 May 2013 11: 17 New
              0
              Putin is a very well-mannered person, though very busy. His whole appearance speaks of complete misunderstanding - "well, why did they pull me out to meet this crazy type? I already have a lot of things to do, but this stuffed animal eats my oxygen and distracts his delirium from work! Bored ... when will he shut up? But I’ll have to listen to this crap to the end, or maybe even say something (so as not to offend the wretched) " lol
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 6 May 2013 07: 31 New
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      Yes, no one can give them these islands of islands! (Not for that they were taken in the 45th) If in the 90s it was not enough to give the brains, now it’s even more so! The Japanese understand it no worse than ours. They simply use this situation (as is customary in world politics) to their advantage (though with some perigon). And it’s time for ours to put a bullet in the ears of everyone on this issue, and to escalate the signing of a peace treaty without any broadcasts, etc. Fortunately, the situation now favors us (it’s time to use it!), The shortage of electricity in Japan (due to the closure of a number of nuclear power plants) and the desire of the future partner to use our LNG. And if diplomats are straining, then something else can be dug in our favor. In short, we need an order from the commander in chief to our specialist diplomats soldier to sign a peace treaty on favorable terms for us! And the order, as you know, must be followed! yes
      1. krasin
        krasin 6 May 2013 08: 32 New
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        So, the discussion of the issue of the Kuril Islands has begun. My opinion is that they attacked Kulil, not the Kuril Islands, too many times they attacked us, Many of ours were put on D.V., and they also have Russian gold.
        1. vlad767
          vlad767 6 May 2013 12: 57 New
          0
          In short, as can be seen on the map, the frayer's greed destroyed.
      2. lelyk72
        lelyk72 6 May 2013 10: 04 New
        +6
        in fact, in my opinion, the narrow-eyed themselves were driven into a dead end: they didn’t sign the Peace Treaty for 50 years because of these islands, they pressed us hard enough, and now it seems as though it’s already clear that they won’t get the islands, but on the other hand backtracking is not a hand-samurai all the same. Now they are racking their brains as if they had not dropped their dignity, to abandon their claims to the islands. So, gentlemen, I even feel sorry for them somewhere .......
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 6 May 2013 10: 50 New
          +4
          Quote: lelyk72
          samurai all the same

          The latter ended on 02.09.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX.
          But in fact, of course, and that before. These events are dedicated to the film from Hoollywooda "The Last Samurai" (THE LAST SAMURAI) with Tom Cruise in the lead role. Since then, the "samurai spirit" is only a myth.
        2. Cheloveck
          Cheloveck 6 May 2013 12: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: lelyk72
          in fact, in my opinion, the narrow-eyed themselves were driven into a dead end: they didn’t sign the Peace Treaty for 50 years because of these islands, they pressed us hard enough, and now it seems as though it’s already clear that they won’t get the islands, but on the other hand backtracking is not a hand-samurai all the same. Now they are racking their brains, as if not having dropped their dignity, to abandon claims to the islands.

          For a true samurai there is always a way out!
          Harakiri is called .... laughing
          1. ed1968
            ed1968 6 May 2013 17: 05 New
            +3
            you’ll be more careful with Harakiri, or else the Japanese will find out and the sex of Japan will get stuck in suicides; they always thought it was a historical way out of the problem, and here Russia does not want to give the island what to do laughing wassat
          2. edge
            edge 6 May 2013 17: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Cheloveck
            There is always a way out for a true samurai
            ..... I will push my damascus knife with him, let him use it, for the glory of Yamato soldier
        3. smile
          smile 6 May 2013 13: 08 New
          +3
          lelyk72
          This you very subtly noticed. They simply cannot physically refuse their claims without losing face ... the basis of the entire post-war Japanese policy in relations with our country are territorial claims ... when choosing a new prime minister, his attitude to the "Kuril" issue is always very important .. .if any politician loudly declares that claims must be refused - for him this is an instant political death ... and indeed, angry citizens of Japanese nationality will not give him life ...
      3. Suhov
        Suhov 6 May 2013 10: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: GSH-18
        And if diplomats strain, then it’s possible what else to dig in our favor.

        Good, positive attitude!
        good
      4. Scoun
        Scoun 6 May 2013 13: 42 New
        0
        Quote: GSH-18
        Yes, no one to them, shamelessly, these strategic islands will not give up!

        I really hope so and I hope that we are Japanese gas and they will give us investments and technologies.
        1. edge
          edge 6 May 2013 17: 42 New
          +4
          Quote: Scoun
          Yes, no one to them, shamelessly, these strategic islands will not give up!

          I’ll explain a little bit the reasons for their requirements; 1-gas-oil shelf, 2-the ability to lock up the Pacific Fleet, 3-richest bio-resources (until 45 years old they used saliners to catch salmon, not allowing them to spawn, and used it as fertilizers in the fields: - herd of red fish restored only partially).
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 6 May 2013 20: 02 New
          +1
          They have neither one nor the other. No money, no technology. With money they lit them a long time ago, now they are in debt like silk. They never had their technologies, they are not able to develop them, some kind of strange brain defect. Although, watching how they mutilate children with the help of the national education system ...
          Laughter, laughter, but joining Russia would solve the vast majority of their problems. Even the fact that their Sun-like Mikado is about to die and will not be new. Never (for them it’s a tragedy that we can’t imagine). Yes, and such subjects would be incredibly useful to us. However, times are not easy. We will see more ...
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    4. edge
      edge 6 May 2013 08: 30 New
      +9
      Quote: Ruslan67
      When will everyone finally stop raving? The country, which has completely continued the war and has signed the surrender, makes claims to the country winner fool

      I absolutely agree with you, this nonsense-loser requires reparation from the winner, and even in an ultimatum form ..... Moreover, these territories, along with Hokkaido, voluntarily became part of the Russian Empire under Catherine, but were captured by the Japs , the local population was completely exterminated (Ainu, blue-eyed, bearded, mi
      1. Simon
        Simon 6 May 2013 15: 31 New
        +1
        Absolutely agree with you. yes
    5. avt
      avt 6 May 2013 10: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Ruslan67
      When will everyone finally stop raving? The country that has completely prolonged the war and has signed the surrender presents

      Not only that, it seems that San Francisco has signed a document on the rejection of territorial claims on the Kuril ridge as a whole. Now, "good-natured" say they didn’t sign, well ...? De jure - they refused and we don’t need to confirm anything.
    6. vadimus
      vadimus 6 May 2013 11: 05 New
      +4
      Fuck the Chinese to beg for something, beggars ....
    7. tttttt
      tttttt 6 May 2013 11: 16 New
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      “What are you, son of a bitch, an impostor, squandering state lands !?” (c) Georges of Miloslavsky


      - Father Tarabarov and Bolshoi Ussuriysky in the immediate vicinity of Khabarovsk donated to China;
      - Oil shelf of the Barents Sea donated to the Norwegians;
      - Kunashir, Iturup, not yet, but the hints are mixed. At least sure "Send us narrow-eyed seals!" we have not heard.

      What else? Dear, are you sure that the president plows as a "slave in the galleys" precisely on Russia? In Russia, there has never been slavery. A year has passed since the inauguration. Nichrome has not been made for this year, continuous wiring. But they elected him for the last time precisely for decisive action.

      These islands block the entrance to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk with territorial waters, with huge reserves of crab, and this is only the economic component, not to mention the military-political one. Yellow-skinned degenerates littered everything around Fukushima around them, which is nothing to eat except for X-rays, rems and curies, now climb the Russian lands. It seems to me that the amers at one time Fukushima banged with an aim to expel narrow-film in the Far East. Putin needs to stand like a rock, and not play giveaways with the West. You give these creatures a finger to bite, a hand is chopped off the shoulder. Sorry for the emotions, but for now !!!!
      1. Simon
        Simon 6 May 2013 16: 00 New
        +5
        No need to be so kind and to please everyone. Then someone wants Siberia or Karelia to demand, supposedly their ancestors once lived there. In short, it’s good to squander Russia. stop
      2. Onotollah
        Onotollah 6 May 2013 18: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: tttttt
        "Send us narrow-eyed seals!"

        Well said, furiously plus hi
      3. Nicola
        Nicola 6 May 2013 22: 28 New
        +2
        A lot of zemstvo and water have given in recent years. All quietly. What referendum is there? Remember, when was the last? They decide behind the back of the people and bend the policy, the results of which we will find out in ten years. Perhaps from a broken trough.
      4. kanevsvv
        kanevsvv 7 May 2013 02: 49 New
        0
        I agree with you, this strategy has the name - "cutting by rocks"
    8. Gari
      Gari 6 May 2013 11: 51 New
      +4
      They want to cooperate, let them shut up and often remember about Hiroshima [/ quote]
      and Nagasaki too, otherwise America is white and fluffy for them
      1. smile
        smile 6 May 2013 13: 13 New
        +3
        Gari
        Well, everything is fine here - they don’t like Americans just like us, if not more ... but they respect us more :))).
        1. Gari
          Gari 6 May 2013 15: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: smile
          Well, everything is fine here - they don’t like Americans just like us, if not more ... but they respect us more :))).

          Well, they don’t have any complaints, they have 45, two atomic bombs and all two such cities as there weren’t, and then they still can’t get rid of radiation, but the base on Okinawa
          1. smile
            smile 6 May 2013 16: 15 New
            +5
            Gari
            They cannot even forgive the Yankees for even atomic bombs (more people died in the Tokyo-bombed Tokyo during the war than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined), but neglect of their culture and the Japanese themselves, dumb swagger. Well, of course, the base ...
            1. kostiknet
              kostiknet 8 May 2013 11: 41 New
              0
              Quote: smile
              They cannot even forgive the Yankees for even atomic bombs (more people died in the Tokyo-bombed Tokyo during the war than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined), but neglect of their culture and the Japanese themselves, dumb swagger. Well, of course the base.

              And the sense of their "unforgiveness"? The Yankees are sitting quietly at the Yap at their base according to the principle, “The black cat does not care what gray mice think of him.” If the Amers were to be drained from their territory, then they should start talking about their “face”, national pride and culture with traditions winked
    9. Krilion
      Krilion 6 May 2013 11: 53 New
      +5
      the Japs will bore under the doors until the Russian authorities chew their snot, instead of sending sharply and firmly the petitioners on an erotic foot trip ...
    10. nnz226
      nnz226 6 May 2013 11: 58 New
      +3
      It is the losers who must beg the winner for a peace treaty so that the winner, even after 68 years, does not continue his victorious march further along the surrendered country! And offer any concessions (including territorial ones) so that this march does not begin ...
    11. uvk1939
      uvk1939 6 May 2013 12: 01 New
      +9
      The Japanese pretend that they do not owe anyone for Port Arthur and Tsushima and for all the banditry in the first half of the 20th century in the Pacific Ocean. Would they give all of Southeast Asia if they had not politely asked them from there?! And our very Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands? Guys doubt it. So, you, Dear neighbors, are punished for your aggressive actions, you have to reconcile and forget. The question, I think, is removed. I fully support Rusland67. Forget about Habomai. How we forgot about Finland.
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 6 May 2013 12: 41 New
        +6
        Of course - such issues are resolved in a referendum.
        Only we all know how they are being carried out and how decisions on them are being implemented (referendum on the preservation of the USSR).
        And in the last 20 years, our rulers have not bothered themselves with such trifles as a referendum. By the decision of one person (the “king”), the borders with the PRC are “aligned”, part of the Barents Sea of ​​Norway is surrendered ...
        Therefore, people are worried. As if this time, "did not equalize." But in that war a lot of Russian blood was shed.
        A peace treaty is, of course, good, but not at that price. Can the Japanese and the results of the Second World War to review?
        1. edge
          edge 6 May 2013 17: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: aviamed90
          Of course - such issues are resolved in a referendum.
          what the hell referendum, we just returned part of our historical territory ..... Guys learn history, and stop yelling howling narrow-film. negative
        2. Nicola
          Nicola 6 May 2013 22: 41 New
          +2
          I support an excellent post. Only here is a referendum on any topic likely to give a result directly opposite to current politics, and how will the referendum be implemented? Apparently nothing. There is no confidence among the people that the servants of the people are working for the good of the people. Therefore, the country is shaking. There are no territorial concessions! Our ancestors shed blood for these lands - and the good uncle, for a covered clearing, gives out not his property with a generous hand. It is GREAT for the power!
      2. Andrew-001
        Andrew-001 6 May 2013 17: 25 New
        +3
        Let me disagree with you about Finland. I hope the time comes to collect the territories back soldier
        1. lelyk72
          lelyk72 6 May 2013 17: 37 New
          +3
          ABOUT! There was a time to scatter territories, there will be time to gather territories back !!!!
          Forum users, when copying my phrase, a link to the source is required !!!!!
          (I'm a genius, away from doubt !!!)
          1. Andrew-001
            Andrew-001 6 May 2013 20: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: lelyk72
            I'm a genius, away from doubt !!!

            A folk trail will not overgrow you smile
      3. Onotollah
        Onotollah 6 May 2013 18: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: uvk1939
        How we forgot about Finland.

        In vain you are so, we have all the moves recorded smile
    12. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 6 May 2013 12: 40 New
      +6
      Quote: Ruslan67
      The country, which has completely continued the war and has signed the surrender, makes claims to the country to the winner


      In Japan, the Americans are considered the winner. That is, according to their version, they won the Second World War.

      The idea of ​​a referendum on the islands is very good, but you need to put the question accordingly:

      1. Give back the islands (yes / no)
      2. Attach Japan to the Russian Federation (yes / no)

      In this form, there will be a fair referendum.
    13. smile
      smile 6 May 2013 12: 57 New
      +7
      Ruslan67 (
      And they will never stop raving. Their psychology is this. And we will not change this ... in any way.
      Personally, I see no reason to arrange any plebiscites - well, why? The question is solved very simply - it is enough to say that transferring our territories to someone else is impossible and that’s all. If you are invited to negotiations, to come so that they don’t lose their face there and listen to their attractive offer ... that’s how it will continue ... and with the help of these negotiations they will solve a lot of domestic political problems there, it suits them too. ..
      And comrade Dugin - urgently for preventive treatment in the fool ... like a smart guy ... and this bling ....
    14. elmi
      elmi 6 May 2013 15: 54 New
      +3
      if they require four islands, Putin will allegedly give back two ... The position is certainly entertaining, but why not assume the same hikivake, for example, this option: Japan transfers Hokkaido or Okinawa to Russia, and Russia makes concessions and transfers the South Kuril Islands to it. What is not a draw outcome? ..

      Oh, after the transfer of Russian territories: On the shelf of the Barents Sea, which was ceded to Oslo by Dmitry Medvedev in the 2010 year, hydrocarbons worth 30 billion euros were found;
      14 October 2008 years Putin gave China part of the territory of Russia! you can expect anything from Putin. And Japan will not agree with the withdrawal of American troops from the islands, because on the contrary they are rallying more strongly with the Americans against the background of worsening relations with China. It's time to firmly say NO! so that they do not even think of hopes even on one island. cookie them and not the island.
    15. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 6 May 2013 22: 55 New
      +1
      The USSR entered the war with Japan officially, the narrow-eyed signed a surrender to the United States, in fact Russia and Japan are still at war .........
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 7 May 2013 18: 31 New
        0
        Russia and Japan are not at war. Japan capitulated and ended the state of war. They are simply not in a state of a signed world.
  2. sir.jonn
    sir.jonn 6 May 2013 06: 25 New
    13
    Everyone wants to snatch a piece of mother from Russia, promising in return nothing in essence.
    You can’t cut for money and promises, money will run out, promises will be forgotten, and the land will not lose price.
  3. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 6 May 2013 06: 28 New
    12
    from the Don.
    : Return of the Northern Territories: - A skate for any party that wants to win the elections in Japan. But it’s for us on the drum. And this cannot be the main condition for signing a peace treaty. Nobody asked them to sharpen their teeth in the USSR. Well, if the teeth grow again sharpened, you can knock a couple out for prevention!
    1. 123dv
      123dv 6 May 2013 09: 42 New
      +6
      The little thing is that in order to win elections in Japan, you must meet the criteria set by the occupation administration. And one of the first points is an irreconcilable position with regard to Russia on the issue of islands.
      The Japanese themselves side these islands, you look at the physics of their prime minister. He’s a bonded person, he looks sorry that they will throw him in sms on Facebook, then he does it.
      The dog barks while its owner likes it.
    2. Suhov
      Suhov 6 May 2013 10: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      Well, if the teeth grow and grind again, you can knock a couple out, for prevention!

      Or put dental clinics on the disputed islands. So. Just in case.
      laughing
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 6 May 2013 10: 55 New
        +5
        The Japs, even if they don’t even dream about the islands, no one will give them anything, they want to sign a peace treaty now, as they are, they don’t want to, well ... and let them continue to hang out with you on a piece of land! angry By the way, we even have about. Baikal more laughing
        1. Onotollah
          Onotollah 6 May 2013 18: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: krokodil25
          even about. Baikal more

          Let me correct you - not “even”, but “firstly.” The emphasis is very important, because about 20% of the world's reserves of drinking water are concentrated there. In the worsening (little by little) environmental situation, this is truly invaluable wealth.
  4. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 6 May 2013 06: 29 New
    14
    the Japanese leadership must be FORCED TO THE WORLD annually by flying our warplanes ALONG THE BORDERS OF JAPAN.
    And on the Kuril Islands to place ISKANDERS for prevention - so that the Japanese self-defense forces stay away from them.
    1. Vasya Ivanov
      Vasya Ivanov 6 May 2013 06: 48 New
      +9
      I want to believe that something would not happen with the Kuril Islands as with the islands on the Amur. They woke up in the morning, and the media reported: O. Tarabarova and part of the Greater Usuri are already Chinese.
      1. Lech from ZATULINKI
        Lech from ZATULINKI 6 May 2013 06: 50 New
        +9
        from BEARS and the like, everything can be expected.
        1. mansur
          mansur 6 May 2013 12: 07 New
          +1
          Russian political scientist and philosopher Alexander Dugin also attended to the visit of the Japanese delegation to Russia and said that it would be better if Putin nevertheless gave the four South Kuril Islands to the Japanese, in return demanding that the Japanese withdraw Americans from the base in Okinawa. And Dugin is a good patriot and sovereign ,,
          1. Kostya pedestrian
            Kostya pedestrian 6 May 2013 16: 22 New
            +3
            It's like a Power Bank sponsor of the White Tiger movie, where one unfinished fascist, as conceived by the director and screenwriter, destroys the brigade of our teshes in the film, and, laughing at the trusting patriotic audience, calmly leaves.

            Funny, the idea is good, and the script is yoke. Only the sovereign of Japan could come up with this. As I understand it, the Sovereign - keep the word, keep it.

            I am not at all unhappy if I know that such "holdingBniks" had their hand in a terrorist attack in Minsk, not far from our T-34.

            I think Russia has backed off so much everywhere and everywhere that Suvorov himself would have been at a loss, although he managed not only to overturn the Napoleonic army, but also conquer Paris itself - I think that they need Toyota Landcruisers to launch back to the island (the Land Cruiser is very in tune with the English continental rocket)

            1. Azzzwer
              Azzzwer 6 May 2013 18: 52 New
              +2
              Quote: Kostya pedestrian
              Suvorov was at a loss, although he managed not only to overturn the Napoleonic army, but also to conquer Paris itself
              I'm sorry, how many points do you have in the USE? For such a statement, the Soviet student of the 5 class could hardly have made it!
              1. Kostya pedestrian
                Kostya pedestrian 8 May 2013 13: 08 New
                0
                As a person who graduated from a Soviet high school with a strong triple, such a statement, I suppose, is more than appropriate; I will not be likened to the syllable of modern "thoroughness" of "Russian" history, where Suvorov’s retreat to Moscow and the victoriousness of the Napoleonic army are paid much more attention than the successes of Russian weapons in Europe.

                This is the essence of the article itself - how can one be at war with the one who signed the act of surrender to us? Japan, as a result of World War II and World War II, signed itself under its own wishes to return the Kuril Islands to us for the moral and material damage inflicted on us.
                1. lelyk72
                  lelyk72 8 May 2013 14: 54 New
                  0
                  But what is Suvorov’s retreat for Moscow?
                  Dear, you are not confusing Suvorov with anyone?
            2. aleshka
              aleshka 9 May 2013 06: 44 New
              0
              Something you are a friend about Suvorov bent !!!! Read the story more carefully !!!
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 6 May 2013 09: 00 New
        19
        Quote: Vasya Ivanov
        I want to believe that something would not happen with the Kuril Islands as with the islands on the Amur. They woke up in the morning, and the media reported: O. Tarabarova and part of the Greater Usuri are already Chinese.

        With the demarcation of the state border of Russia-China, a completely different "song".Strong-willed The decision of the country's leadership resolved a rather acute territorial issue, rooted in the 19 century. As a result of the signing of the treaty, China and Russia are not entitled to make any territorial claims to each other in the future. tiny part of the territory We have acquired a friendly neighbor, and this, agree, is sometimes more important ...
        And the main expression of democracy was always and everywhere a plebiscite.

        With the islands of the Kuril ridge, the Japanese side should not have any complaints! Their status and nationality is fixed in the victorious 1945. I consider the issue of national affiliation of the Kuril Islands to the All-Russian referendum, I consider it unnecessary and even more so criminal. By conducting a plebiscite, we ourselves will open the Pandora’s box and give others a go-ahead to review the results of the Second World .. .
        1. psdf
          psdf 6 May 2013 13: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: Corsair
          Having lost a tiny part of the territory, we have acquired a friendly neighbor, and this, you will agree, is sometimes more important ...

          When a neighbor comes and offers to give part of the kitchen, and for this he will be friendly to you for a while, of course, will you give it back?
        2. ZhuDkiyDrugg
          ZhuDkiyDrugg 6 May 2013 19: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: Corsair
          With the demarcation of the state border between Russia and China, the song is completely different. By a decision of the leadership of the country, a rather acute territorial issue was rooted in the 19th century. As a result of the signing of the treaty, the PRC and Russia are not entitled to make any territorial claims in the future.Having lost a tiny part of the territory, we have acquired a friendly neighbor, and this, you see, is sometimes more important ...

          With such a "friendly neighbor" I would not relax, these are just a couple of islands not limited what
      3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 6 May 2013 23: 01 New
        +1
        And no one asked the most interesting people either in a referendum or where, about the will of the people in Aftar delusions ...
    2. Tolik.
      Tolik. 975 6 May 2013 12: 37 New
      -1
      "Japanese Self-Defense Forces" are no longer there, the treaty is no longer valid in time
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  6. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 6 May 2013 06: 50 New
    13
    In other words, the point in disputes over the status of the South Kuril Islands, and, therefore, about the peace treaty with the Land of the Rising Sun, is a referendum in Russia. Whether Japan likes this option or not, we should not be interested at all.

    When pieces of Russia were given to Norway and China, no one (the people) asked us. And we found out about this almost a month after the signing of the agreements.
    The South Kuril Islands are strategically important for Russia. Through deep-sea straits, our strategic nuclear submarines enter combat patrol in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. Those places are very rich in fish. Well, of all the islands of the Kuril ridge, only on Iturup and Shikotan are troops — the country's only machine-gun and artillery division with two regiments.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 6 May 2013 08: 42 New
      14
      Urup, Iturup, Kunashir-South group of the Kuril Islands.
      The Small Kuril Ridge is a thorn in the eye of the Japanese. Look at the map. Islands Shikotan, Polonsky, Zeleny, Tanfilyev, Yuri, Anuchin. With them, the stone can be thrown to Hokkaido. Russia without Japan will survive. Koreans are already riveting no worse than Japan. Will Japan survive without loss if such a raw material base, market and transport artery are lost. To give what the Russian soldiers shed blood for is treason. Kings and councils multiplied the territory of the empire. Dermocrats only squander, plunder.
    2. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 6 May 2013 10: 41 New
      11
      The article is once again good and useful, so that the topic is relevant and exciting to everyone. But what was discouraged was the proposal of the referendum and the conclusions that followed. And here I want to say:
      1. What the hell are we supposed to prove that the people are for or against the return. Nifiga yourself, found a reason to play democracy! This is OUR land and it’s not good to count votes here, the very fact of the referendum already gives reason to suspect weakness and a small tremor in the knees.
      2. Type the President behind the opinion of the people - “look, I’m not me, the people have decided” Why is there such a President that every decision should be covered by referendum. We voted for him, here is our opinion! Send everyone to the "th on our behalf, you have full democratic law.
      In short, the end of the article is not the topic !!
      1. lelyk72
        lelyk72 6 May 2013 10: 47 New
        +5
        Absolutely agree!!!
        I will continue the thought: visitors to the site for maintaining the integrity of the borders of the Russian Federation. What if the whole country is actually the opposite ?? some grannies from the Tver province what matters is about "some islands there" ???
        So no referendum. As Akhtuba correctly said, "send everyone on our behalf" .....
        By the way, in my opinion, the president holds the same point of view .....
      2. El13
        El13 6 May 2013 13: 02 New
        +1
        And I do not agree !!!
        A referendum is the highest measure of the will of the people (and the most expensive). If the President relies on the results of the referendum, then he is not a rag, but a guarantor of expression of the opinion of the people. The opinion of the President as a person may differ from the opinion of the majority (I’m not talking now that democracy is a myth and the majority just don’t understand the question on which they ask him to express their opinion), but we know the result of this referendum, so we can play into this game and plug the neighbors with this "democratic" procedure. Your statement, “Send everyone to the x” on our behalf, is not “democratic” because it expresses only your opinion, but what if the President pursues a policy in accordance with the opinion of your neighbor and not you? You need to be more democratic, more democratic (funniest) .

        I’m more interested in the work ability of Alexei Volodin. Alexei, do you yourself write all these articles or do you have a team? (if you do not want, then do not answer)
        Another question: how do you, Alexei, feel about the idea that a peace treaty with Japan is not needed, since there is an act of surrender of Japan. They say that while there is no peace treaty, we are de jure at war with Japan, but this act is also the legal end of the war, like the peace treaty, what do you think?
        1. Volodin
          6 May 2013 13: 30 New
          +5
          Dear Al (unfortunately, I do not know your name)! For the first part: articles that are signed by Alexei Volodin, I write, thank God, myself, but in general there are a lot of authors on the Military Review. I generally for high productivity smile Another thing is that these works are not always and not all readers evoke an unequivocal reaction - but here, how many people, as they say, have so many opinions ...
          In the second part: Japan has problems with peace treaties (not only, by the way, with Russia). Therefore, if they are constantly “hinted” that their unwillingness to sign peace treaties on the terms of the letter of the surrender 1945 of the year (as an aggressor country, by the way) raise questions not only in Russia, but also in some countries of East and Southeast Asia then it will be clearly not superfluous. I find your opinion interesting - only this is what our "leading economists" will say here ... They obviously won't want to hear from you and me.
          1. El13
            El13 6 May 2013 14: 52 New
            +5
            Quote: Volodin
            ... I write, thank God, myself ...

            hi I take off my hat, I don’t have time to read everything, but here, besides the quantity, the quality is also on top (well, from my point of view, and with rare exceptions).
            Quote: Volodin
            unfortunately I don't know your name

            Ibragimov Ildar ... Russian Tatar repeat There are different people on the network, it’s better to let the nickname tremble.
            1. Volodin
              6 May 2013 15: 31 New
              +2
              Very nice, Ildar!
        2. Akhtuba73
          Akhtuba73 6 May 2013 13: 39 New
          +4
          Quote: El13
          since it expresses only your opinion, what if the President pursues a policy in accordance with the opinion of your neighbor, and not you? One must be more democratic, more democratic (most ridiculous).

          laughing
          Allow me to object a bit? So it turns out that the issue of islands is now the most important, that a referendum should be held on it? And the adoption of children in America, the term for PissiRight, the renaming of Volgograd, the opening of an air force base in Belarus, the deployment of troops to Syria, stuffing the grudge against the ambassador of Qatar ... is there really no more important thing (I couldn’t remember everything)? It turns out that it is necessary to review for each, suddenly the neighbor thinks differently ... This is a life. And who will determine the degree of importance of the questions? Again referendum? We are more democratic no
          1. El13
            El13 6 May 2013 15: 03 New
            +1
            Of course, you are right that this referendum is not on the most burning issue for us and there is no urgent need to hold it, I rebelled because of the words that such a referendum would be weak. I don’t agree with this and I think that he would cover the issue from many directions (if he didn’t, he would not completely close it). Our country is a combination of our territory and our people, i.e. comprising two, the President is only a part of our people, although endowed with the power of these people to speak for all of us ... well, ideally, of course, in life it’s all different, but we want to play by the rules of “democratic” (rather than would - they would send already), so if there is a referendum - everything, kapets, there’s nothing to talk about, the people decided.
            1. Akhtuba73
              Akhtuba73 6 May 2013 16: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: El13
              El13

              The fact that it is reinforced concrete - no doubt ... but there is something in this referendum from the evil one ... flirting with democracy. Not on this issue, I think. On the issue of the Kuril Islands, the position should be uniquely tough. And the petitioners in the kimono ... yes they went to the goat in the crack!
              Thanks to Ildar for discussion drinks
      3. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 6 May 2013 15: 34 New
        +6
        We draw unequivocally: the National Indian dwelling - “Fig-you” is called ... Let them say thank you that Hokkaido was not taken away, otherwise they would go back now wassat
    3. psdf
      psdf 6 May 2013 20: 24 New
      +2
      Gorbachev, it seems, changed the status of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk from the inland to the international - such a bastard, it’s time to get it back under the guise.
      And in general - was there a surrender of Japan or not? And then they lit a bodyag "peace treaty" ...
  7. Marconi41
    Marconi41 6 May 2013 07: 03 New
    +5
    Once upon a time, the Japanese tried to discuss the issue of "northern territories" with the USSR. To which, dear Leonid Ilyich clearly noted: the USSR has no problems with the "southern territories." That was the end of the conversation.
    No need to bustle and try to divide these 4 islands in half. As you know, appetite comes with eating, and if we give a little slack, we will soon hear about another 8 islands and about half of Sakhalin.
  8. sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 6 May 2013 07: 10 New
    +4
    The hopes of the Japanese for a "return" to the "disputed" islands are in my opinion futile. The leadership of the country should also understand that the islands should never be given away for many reasons. And in Japan, too, they understand this. Most likely this is PR on the one hand (Japan) and antics on the other (RF).
  9. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 6 May 2013 07: 13 New
    +9
    I remember that after Fukushima, some "good Russians" offered to give all the Kuril Islands to the Yap on the grounds that the samurai were really sorry for them. It turned out that we are giving away less than 1% of the territory. and they. instead of those who leave, they get something about 5% of the land. Now one more wise guy has drawn. I suggest that all the tenants check the financing and availability of property abroad. Somehow it’s not all right.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 6 May 2013 07: 52 New
      11
      Quote: FC Skiff
      after Fukushima, some "good Russians" offered to give all the Kuril Islands to Yap

      "We don’t want an inch of a foreign land, but we won’t give up our tip either." And why do people remember Soviet songs so little in Russia?
      1. Armata
        Armata 6 May 2013 08: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        "We don’t want an inch of a foreign land, but we won’t give up our tip either." And why do people remember Soviet songs so little in Russia?
        This is not a song. This is politics, and there is dirt and undercover games. It is naive to think that politicians think about the people, a person cannot think about everyone, they think how to make capital on the world stage political and economic.
  10. DPN
    DPN 6 May 2013 07: 16 New
    12
    Much has been written here, about the atrocities of the Japanese during the years of the civil war against the Russian people, many examples were cited. Guys who need a world with a flea, I see Japan like this. Yes, it is developed more technically in something, but this does not mean that Russia should give up its lands. Or our country is so weak that it needs this peace treaty with this flea. There can be no question of surrendering the Russian land to adversaries, who needs such an agreement. The Japanese should let them become the flag of Russia and become subjects of RUSSIA. It will be a peace treaty, otherwise they need to be reminded of the American lesson. Our media, however, must be strictly punished for such sounding, the rulers of the Russian state have already handed out lands to ***!
    Our people have already held referenda; the bulk of it still cannot digest the fruits of a referendum.
    The article is harmful, THE BORDERS OF RUSSIA SHOULD NOT BE SIGNIFICANT TO BE AFTER A PRIVATE IMPACT. Fear of the Japs and flirting with them is ridiculous for the whole world. And not only RUSSIA, China does not need to go for an example. Presidents must be responsible for the territory of their country! otherwise why *** us an ARMY!
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 6 May 2013 09: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: DPN
      Japanese need let become the flag of Russia and become subjects of RUSSIA. It will be a peace treaty

      It’s hard to add something.
      good
  11. pribolt
    pribolt 6 May 2013 07: 18 New
    +3
    Alexey, as always +. Made laugh
  12. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 6 May 2013 07: 24 New
    +4
    Let's start with the fact that Japan is not in the position to demand anything from Russia. The Kuril Islands are primarily needed for missile defense, but not Japan! It is time to stop all kinds of speculation on this subject, we need a peace treaty, because this topic is disadvantageous to both Russia and Japan hi need to tear this stranglehold of America on the neck of Japan.
  13. DPN
    DPN 6 May 2013 07: 24 New
    +7
    The article probes the soil for the delivery of the islands. Such thoughts must be interrupted in the bud. Japanese rulers need to show the consequences of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, this is what they should expect. Our country does not need such a world.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 6 May 2013 08: 15 New
      0
      Quote: DPN
      The article probes the soil for letting the islands.


      I generally did not like the article! What did the author of the new write?
      What is coercion?
      And during the holidays, people were hungry for letters.
      8.00 and so many letters.

      Why break spears here? And no one asked the islands!
      So, a word.
      And for decent people, a peace treaty MUST BE! and SAME?
    2. Volodin
      6 May 2013 13: 37 New
      +4
      The article probes the soil for putting the islands
      .
      DPN, not guessed. This time. And the author did not have any thoughts about the “surrender of the islands” and could not be. These are two.
      I had to write this comment so that we would not look for some "underwater Japanese stones" and "Japanese yens paid for in the article" in the article.
  14. aszzz888
    aszzz888 6 May 2013 07: 28 New
    +9
    The Japanese "outraged the activities of Russians in the Kuril Islands." So their prime minister read out from a piece of paper. Ofi ... whether !!! Why bother with the Japanese in this regard?
    Even the fact that we are listening to them, trying to explain something, already puts us in the framework not of the winners, but of some sort of colony.
  15. knn54
    knn54 6 May 2013 07: 43 New
    +7
    The winner can not be judged - losing the war put everything in its place!
    PS According to the Simodsky treaty, signed in 1855, the Kuril Islands, which are located in the north of Iturup, retreated to Russia, and Sakhalin was to be mastered TOGETHER. In 1905, Japan severed the treaty. Then no one said anything about the fact that the Japanese took away ALL of Sakhalin. They have interesting standards. In case of a win, demand everything that you like in your favor immediately and without appeal. And when the country itself lost the war, then it is also necessary to demand the return of the territories.
    It seems that some Russian figures "have no mind and quick wits."
    PPS First, ask China - Port Arthur, Mariana Islands from the USA, Dokdo archipelago from South Korea ... And when you are happy to return all these territories, you can turn to Russia.
  16. Combitor
    Combitor 6 May 2013 07: 45 New
    +6
    Why during the reign of Leonid Brezhnev, the question of transferring the South Kuril Islands to Japan was not even raised? Yes, because at the head of our state was a man who fought, who defended our homeland, who, to the best of his ability, won a victory in that war and who knew the value of this victory. Then they showed everyone that we do not need someone else's land, but we will not give our own either. Now, under the "new Russian rulers" such as EBN, Putin and Medvedev, many countries began again to file territorial claims against Russia. And, we are witnesses to this, that these very rulers were very successful in squandering the territory of our country. If Putin said a firm no to the Japanese, then no more questions would arise. And so the position of the Führer is similar to something like: "eat fish and ... sit down." And in general, what kind of peace treaty can we talk about? With Japan and without any treaties, Russia has great economic, cultural and political ties. The Japanese are very interested in Russia supplying them with electricity, oil, gas, timber, and marine resources. Therefore, we don’t give a damn about their peace treaty. You might think that if we do not sign this agreement with them, they will be offended by Russia, sever all ties and declare war on us. The gut is thin. In 1945 they received, they will still receive. Let the Americans say thanks, otherwise the Russian soldier would walk his streets with tarpaulin boots and now half of the Japanese would have blond hair and wide bright eyes.
    And the fact that talk of the Kuril Islands periodically rises in Russia and Japan makes us wary. What to expect from the current Russian rulers - we know.
    1. Nicola
      Nicola 6 May 2013 23: 04 New
      +1
      I shake your hand!
  17. dark_65
    dark_65 6 May 2013 07: 46 New
    +7
    The Japanese are attracted by the natural resources of the Kuril ridge: 1867 tons of gold, 9284 tons of silver, the world's largest rhenium deposit used to create jet engines, deposits of natural gas, oil, plankton-rich sea, frost-free straits of Frieze and Catherine. For a country that has always experienced a shortage of natural resources, the possession of such islands could play a positive role.
    Personally, I don’t feel like giving it all away, even for good money.
  18. Yuzver
    Yuzver 6 May 2013 07: 49 New
    +5
    Quote: Ruslan67
    When will everyone finally stop raving? The country, which has completely continued the war and has signed the surrender, makes claims to the country to the winner

    This does not mean that the Japanese after their defeat will forever sit with their mouth shut. Times are different and Japan is not the same, and Russia is also different. In the world, more and more are striking out Russia's role in WWII. Already even in Western Europe, it is increasingly believed that the United States and the Allies won the WWII, since in their opinion Eastern Europe moved from one totalitarianism to another.
    And in Japan, they generally present their surrender as a "way out of the war", and not a loss.
  19. Watchman
    Watchman 6 May 2013 07: 59 New
    +3
    Can Kaliningrad still be given to the Germans?
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 6 May 2013 09: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Watchman
      Can Kaliningrad still be given to the Germans?

      Yeah, right now !!! Let them say thanks that Berlin remained Berlin, not Mukhokakashkinsky lol
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 6 May 2013 23: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: Strezhevchanin
        Can Kaliningrad still be given to the Germans?

        The Irony of Fate! Born on Sakhalin, I live in Kaliningrad ... to give both that and the other? What is it that they decided to leave me without a small homeland? Well, too much! Shoot from Suvorov times trained, but something else.
        The Kuril Islands are of strategic importance, as close the entrance to our (essentially internal) Sea of ​​Okhotsk.
        It seems to me that it is time for the Russian Federation to raise a question in the UN Security Council: do the results of the 2 MV of the victorious country confirm or not? And then this is very similar to the beginning of the audit of the results of the 1945 year.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 23: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: BoA KAA
          It’s time for the Russian Federation to raise a question in the UN Security Council: are the results of 2 MVs of the winning country confirm or not
          The United States has repeatedly made a political statement stating that they support Japan’s position on the island problem. So .... in fact, we see that the results of World War II are being questioned. And the attempt to ask such a question in the Security Council will sink into the sea of ​​casuistry. Until the second coming, it will be possible to wait for an answer.)
  20. mojohed
    mojohed 6 May 2013 08: 01 New
    +5
    Strengthen the art. bullets. division in the Kuril Islands with developed fortifications with stationary fortified Iskander missile launch points, and more, equip with modern art. systems. Place on the Kuril Islands air defense Shell-S and modern means of electronic warfare. Strengthen the Pacific Fleet by accelerating the construction of warships and tightening control over it. Create an opportunity, including technical, travel agencies for trips to the Kuril Islands.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 6 May 2013 09: 53 New
      +2
      "Club" and "Bastion" in the Kuril Islands will also look normal, though virtually - visually for the Japanese "self-defense forces" it will be very dangerous !! laughing
  21. pinecone
    pinecone 6 May 2013 08: 26 New
    +5
    There was no decisive “no” from the leadership of the Russian Federation, and the talk of the referendum was from the evil one. Not good.
  22. Black
    Black 6 May 2013 08: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: mojohed
    Create an opportunity, including technical, travel agencies for trips to the Kuril Islands.

    .... Hold the Olympics in autumn sports!
    Where is Russia and where is the ability to organize a travel business?
    To fish, people to establish life, but to strengthen the defense.
  23. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 6 May 2013 08: 31 New
    +4
    I think that we will live in Russia without Japan, if anything, gentlemen, the Japanese, you can even go into complete isolation with respect to Russia, and I assure you that none of the Russians will lead you by ear, except for a few inadequate personalities whose place is in a room with soft walls .Let's just ignore each other, and we’ll survive the Toyota and Mazda sales to the Chinese or Americans somehow. And it’s better to do your favorite thing, namely kissing the American ass, they can give you a couple of written-off destroyers.
    1. dddym
      dddym 6 May 2013 19: 15 New
      0
      Well, not everything is so rosy - motorists will immediately crawl out onto the avenue demanding that they return the smokers, otherwise there are not enough spare parts for the right-hand drive ....
  24. Canep
    Canep 6 May 2013 08: 33 New
    +3
    From Wikipedia
    the world knows only one economically viable rhenium deposit. It is located in Russia: reserves in it are about 10-15 tons. This field was discovered in 1992 on the volcano Kudryavy, Iturup Island, Kuril Islands [9]. The deposit [10] in the caldera at the top of the volcano is represented by a fumarole field of ~ 50 × 20 m in size with fumaroles, which are constantly operating sources of high-temperature deep fluids. This means that the field is actively being formed to this day. Rhenium is here in the form of the mineral rheniite ReS2, with a structure similar to molybdenite.
    . . .
    Nickel and rhenium alloys are used for the manufacture of combustion chambers, turbine blades, and exhaust nozzles of jet engines; these alloys contain up to 6% rhenium, which makes the construction of jet engines the largest consumer of rhenium.

    You have to be a complete idiot to give the southern Kuril Islands, but Putin is not.
  25. magadanets
    magadanets 6 May 2013 08: 34 New
    +2
    Japan should shut up its ambitions in the back seat, especially after Fukushima. The closest neighbors who can help them in this situation are Russia and China. The Chinese know how they feel about them. We will be fools if we do not use this. Let them sign a peace treaty and not show off.
  26. pravednik
    pravednik 6 May 2013 08: 35 New
    +6
    Laughter and sin to read, as not only Japan, but also the former post-Soviet republics show Russia how to live, with whom to make friends and who to thank. The most important thing is to impress, and sometimes not unsuccessfully (depending on the venality of the country's leaders and some media) that Russia owes something to everyone or offended someone (the territories were paid to someone, the energy prices were too high for someone, but it wasn’t given to someone, it wasn’t allowed to destroy entire nations, like Georgia). And that they have the right to impose their conditions, forgetting that they were fed and are now fed to a greater extent at the expense of Russia. Of course, this is the ambitions of the leaders of the states, although not only. Georgia believes that Russia will not survive without its guilt and tangerines, therefore it is obliged to refuse recognition of the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, or at least not to intervene while its troops are building their democracy there. Ukraine speculates on the status of Sevastopol, although it is a true Russian city. And in theory, the whole Crimea is also Russian (Ukraine should put monuments Khrushchev Wu and Yeltsin for the Crimea, one for what he gave, and another for not challenging and restoring historical justice) The Central Asian republics also have great demands. But you will not please everyone, and the more Russia yields, the more demands there will be. Therefore, no concessions to anyone.
  27. Senzey
    Senzey 6 May 2013 08: 36 New
    +1
    There will be no surrender of the islands! Let them wash, and if they want to be friends - then please
  28. avant-garde
    avant-garde 6 May 2013 08: 43 New
    +2
    Wrong sushi of food we went about the islands, it was possible to talk and get closer directly to these islands and come, there the locals would quickly answer this question.
  29. dizelniy
    dizelniy 6 May 2013 08: 44 New
    -8
    It is ridiculous to say that our aircraft in the Far East can scare Japan. We have no military force comparable to Japan, either in the air or at sea. Forces are not enough to provide a safe exit to the sea SSBNs. Russia today cannot afford to keep 150 warships in the region for economic reasons. Boats have been without repair for 5 years or more. Economic levers for ensuring security in this region are needed. The author did not sprinkle ash on his head when D. Medvedev gave, and the State Duma stamped the shelf agreement with Norway. The ideas of A.G. Dugin, upon careful consideration, regarding the joint development of the Kuril Islands, have quite an acceptable geopolitical meaning.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 6 May 2013 11: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: dizelniy
      We have no military force comparable to Japan, either in the air or at sea.

      if the Japanese are so strong, and even covered by the Americans - why don’t they take the islands by force? since Russia is weak (as you hint at) in that region, why is no one trying to take something away?
      Well, we understand very well that no one will take anything from Russia by force. Well, what do I self-intimidate, then I don’t understand? They frighten the Chinese, then the Japanese.
  30. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 6 May 2013 08: 48 New
    +3
    Yes, really. Comrade Dugin, of course, annealed. I don’t know in what context his words were said, but IMHO if the amers are to leave Okinawa in response to the return of the Kuril Islands, then they will transport the base precisely to the Kuril Islands.
  31. JonnyT
    JonnyT 6 May 2013 08: 51 New
    +3
    Long “romantic” conversations on whether to give or not to give are just a pretext for starting an invasion. Japan is waiting for the right moment and when it comes, it will certainly try to occupy the Kuril Islands. And our leaders became traders, everyone is trying to grab a piece of fat for themselves, and they’re “dodging like a frying pan” on the question of the Kuril Islands
  32. avant-garde
    avant-garde 6 May 2013 09: 03 New
    +3
    Quote: JonnyT
    Long “romantic” conversations on whether to give or not to give are just a pretext for starting an invasion. Japan is waiting for the right moment and when it comes, it will certainly try to occupy the Kuril Islands. And our leaders became traders, everyone is trying to grab a piece of fat for themselves, and they’re “dodging like a frying pan” on the question of the Kuril Islands

    What kind of occupation are you talking about? Or is this the exchange we smoked for them, they give us all of Japan! Personally, I can hardly imagine the Japanese as our occupiers!
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 6 May 2013 10: 59 New
      +1
      Imagine this situation: Islamites are climbing from the South and the Caucasus, a geyropa is falling from the west in an enormous manner, the United States is constantly trying to bomb and use its Air Force, and from the east, the Japanese are landing with the support of the United States on the islands. Think to keep the islands in this situation will be easy? If we compare the strength of NATO and the RF Armed Forces, then NATO outnumbers us by almost 4 times !!!! I doubt that the grouping of troops in the Far East can be quickly gathered into a fist (poor logistics, roads). The most mobile and combat-ready formations will be needed in more important areas, to protect the old-fashioned industrial, resource bridgeheads! And the number of defenders of the islands is comparable with the Japanese and American forces? They occupy the island, again have to knock out!
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 6 May 2013 11: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: JonnyT
        Imagine this situation: Islamites are climbing from the South and the Caucasus, a geyropa is falling from the west in an enormous manner, the United States is constantly trying to bomb and use its Air Force, and from the east, the Japanese are landing with the support of the United States on the islands. Think to keep the islands in this situation will be easy?

        when did you last read the military doctrine of Russia?
        “Russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against Russia using conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened,” - reads the military doctrine.

        And two years earlier, former General Makarov warned the military attachés of foreign countries that Russia would not be shy to use the most terrible weapons of our time in cases where it would have to defend itself against military aggression or defend its allies. The third reason that the military ready to hit with an atomic fist - "Attempts to eliminate Russian statehood."
        1. JonnyT
          JonnyT 6 May 2013 13: 00 New
          +1
          And who will take responsibility for the destruction of, for example, the Japanese people ??? May be you? If one country hits nuclear weapons then everyone will start to beat! again, ruin the whole ecology, resources are not economically profitable, and wars are waged for the sake of profit! I don’t know about you, but I don’t want to live in the basement without hair and a bloated thyroid giving up the charms and benefits of modern life. In Russia, Yao is nothing more than an ideological weapon of deterrence! Its use is possible only in isolated cases and turn not in Japan and not in Europe!
          Try to take a sober look at things - without a cap of ideological ideology
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta 6 May 2013 14: 14 New
            0
            Quote: JonnyT
            Try to take a sober look at things - without a cap of ideological ideology

            But do you think soberly when you drive bullshit about attacks on Russia by military invasion?
            I can write any script, and worse than yours, such as China, Russia and India will unite and occupy the United States. And I want to notice America will surrender 100% without a single shot.
            1. JonnyT
              JonnyT 6 May 2013 14: 43 New
              +2
              This is just a possible development of events .... If you analyze the information, then everything goes to this! Surround us, surround us! And this is preparation for the invasion.
              If you want to continue to claim that everything is good and stable and there is nothing to worry about. To claim that NATO is a humanitarian organization distributing barbarisks to the needy.
              I can say one thing for sure - there will be a big conflict! Because the situation in the world implies a restructuring of the world system, a redivision of world property. And the shadow government does not abandon plans for world domination, and Russia and its allies stand in their way.
              1. djon3volta
                djon3volta 6 May 2013 18: 30 New
                -1
                Quote: JonnyT
                Surround us, surround us! And this is preparation for the invasion.

                They have been surrounding and preparing us for almost 70 years, since 1945 everything has been preparing and preparing, and they will not dare to attack in any way. They quickly attack other countries, for several months or a couple of years, and it’s ready, there’s no country. And in Russia the gut is thin. Do not nuclear weapons and a huge territory, we would have been crushed for a long time, but it is impossible to conquer such a territory in a short time, and even a piece cannot be pulled out, because our piece and no one will give it up without a fight, and if the battle is to death am
  33. wolf1945
    wolf1945 6 May 2013 09: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: dark_65
    The Japanese are attracted by the natural resources of the Kuril ridge: 1867 tons of gold, 9284 tons of silver, the world's largest rhenium deposit used to create jet engines, deposits of natural gas, oil, plankton-rich sea, frost-free straits of Frieze and Catherine. For a country that has always experienced a shortage of natural resources, the possession of such islands could play a positive role.
    Personally, I don’t feel like giving it all away, even for good money.

    You can’t give up! soldier
  34. Bosk
    Bosk 6 May 2013 09: 17 New
    +1
    It's not about the islands, it's about the claim. The Japanese themselves have long realized that they won’t get the islands peacefully and it seems to them they are very unnecessary, because the islands are shreds of land and some other pluses on the subject of Hunting ... but the claim can last forever and you can cut it although it’s a penny, but it’s possible to cut it a penny forever ..., the main thing is to constantly make these claims so that the opposite side develops a complex ..., by the way judging by the reaction from our side to their presentation .... the complex is already starting to take shape. ..
  35. wulf66
    wulf66 6 May 2013 09: 24 New
    +1
    Enough to pay attention to this Japanese whining. Pros ... ali ?, pros ... ali. Allies themselves in the 30s themselves choose? Themselves. On our nerves in the 40s played? Were playing. Against the backdrop of this all-Japanese cry, it would be nice to recall how the Japanese side raised the question in 1904. Everything will immediately fall into place and the referendum will not be needed (there was a desire to splurge because of whiners).
  36. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 6 May 2013 09: 35 New
    +8
    It has long been time to establish very clearly and unequivocally the law of the Russian Federation that the transfer of at least one island of Japan, and even negotiations on this topic, are treason to the motherland and are punished by the VMN.
    Behind the backs of the Japanese, whimpering about the "northern territories", monkey ears of USA (USA) stick out. It is worth letting at least one Japanese into the Kuril Islands, in an hour there will be a military base of the Yankees.
    You can exchange for something of equal value, the Japanese have a lot of islands.
  37. Suhov
    Suhov 6 May 2013 09: 35 New
    +4
    Russian political scientist and philosopher Alexander Dugin also attended to the visit of the Japanese delegation to Russia and said that it would be better if Putin did gave the four South Kuril Islands to the Japanese, in exchange, demanding that the Japanese withdraw Americans from the base in Okinawa.

    The philosopher is sick, he should be treated over.
    1. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 6 May 2013 09: 37 New
      0
      At what Yen did the Japanese rate this concern?
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 6 May 2013 09: 43 New
      +4
      The philosopher is sick, he should be treated over

      Sukhov
      If the patient is mentally ill, that disease that is treated with soaped rope externally or with lead tablets inside. Apparently he consumes a lot of imported greens, so he went nuts.
    3. valokordin
      valokordin 6 May 2013 10: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Sukhov
      The philosopher is sick, he should be treated over.

      Another philosopher, Nobel Judge laureate, writer Solzhenitsyn, who slandered Soviet soldiers, also had the same opinion, but can donate the Mistral to Japan and make eternal and endless peace with yellow-faced features.
  38. does it
    does it 6 May 2013 09: 51 New
    +1
    Russian political scientist and philosopher Alexander Dugin also attended to the visit of the Japanese delegation to Russia and said that it would be better if Putin still gave the four South Kuril Islands to the Japanese, in return demanding that the Japanese withdraw Americans from the base in Okinawa. Allegedly, after this, the Americans will lose their influence on Tokyo, and Russian-Japanese relations will certainly normalize. (there is, incitement to betrayal of the motherland)
  39. pensioner
    pensioner 6 May 2013 09: 53 New
    +4
    I propose to install a sculptural composition in the form of a large BOLT on the island closest to Japan, so that the binoculars can be clearly seen from the side. Let them think: "What would it mean?". After all, they’ll break the whole Bosko.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 6 May 2013 13: 12 New
      +1
      It’s a bad idea, Japanese women will swim there from all over Japan.
      1. Onotollah
        Onotollah 6 May 2013 19: 15 New
        0
        Across India, there are sculptural compositions up to several meters in height depicting the dignity of Shiva. It seems that the Japanese have not yet reached there smile
  40. pensioner
    pensioner 6 May 2013 09: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Sukhov
    Sukhov Today, 09:35 New
    Russian political scientist and philosopher Alexander Dugin also attended to the visit of the Japanese delegation to Russia and said that it would be better if Putin still gave the four South Kuril Islands to the Japanese, in return demanding that the Japanese withdraw Americans from the base in Okinawa.
    The philosopher is sick, he should be treated over.

    And in the Japanese fool.
  41. avant-garde
    avant-garde 6 May 2013 10: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: retired
    I propose to install a sculptural composition in the form of a large BOLT on the island closest to Japan, so that the binoculars can be clearly seen from the side. Let them think: "What would it mean?". After all, they’ll break the whole Bosko.

    Yeah, so they later asked us to let them worship him !!! They deify him there, so let him build it at home and reign throughout Japan, and on it the inscription on it to make the Kuril Islands as a gift from Russia!
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 6 May 2013 10: 34 New
      +1
      I finally offered the real one. Threaded.
      1. El13
        El13 6 May 2013 18: 57 New
        +2
        ... it is necessary to warn. lol
  42. iulai
    iulai 6 May 2013 10: 06 New
    +1
    If we give the Japanese back the islands, then all, the khan of Russia! There are too many who want to bite off a piece of Russia!
  43. iulai
    iulai 6 May 2013 10: 16 New
    +4
    A normal president will come, and not a kid’s friend, Medvedev will have to answer for the water territories that he gave to Norway! The enemies of our country are in the Kremlin, the fifth column has not yet been neutralized.
  44. KPACHA9_3BE3DA
    KPACHA9_3BE3DA 6 May 2013 10: 30 New
    +1
    If we do not have peace => We are in war => We drown everything under the Japanese flag in our ter. waters. + we calmly violate the air borders with our reconnaissance aircraft with the support of fighter jets, and the USA does not have the right to protect them. an agreement on cooperation and security was signed after we were already in war with them.
  45. STIMUS94
    STIMUS94 6 May 2013 10: 31 New
    +1
    at first they smoked in Japan, then I throw the far east and then it started, Oh * religion!
  46. PValery53
    PValery53 6 May 2013 10: 32 New
    0
    Something doesn’t look like Dugin ... It seems that he was a primordially-profound Russophile, and here you are
    bends ... Is everything okay with his head ?!
  47. Letterksi
    Letterksi 6 May 2013 10: 38 New
    +1
    This rotten Dugin, an adherent of the utopian Eurasian Union and the Berlin-Moscow-Tokyo line, is ready to merge all Russian interests. This Gumilev offspring must be driven by a filthy broomstick from science
    1. mansur
      mansur 6 May 2013 12: 11 New
      +3
      - There are no more opponents of Putin's course, and if there are, then they are mentally ill and they must be sent for medical examination. Putin is everywhere, Putin is everything, Putin is absolute, Putin is irreplaceable

      - Alexander Dugin, 2007

      and started —In 1980, together with Heydar Jemal, he joined the Black SS Order], which created and headed (as the “Reichsführer”) mystic, one of the first Russian “new right-wingers” Evgeny Golovin
    2. dizelniy
      dizelniy 6 May 2013 14: 32 New
      +1
      Similar statements can be made sitting on the banks of the Hudson River. First you need to read on the topic, and then comment, and preferably in a literary and great language.
  48. ilya63
    ilya63 6 May 2013 10: 38 New
    +1
    In this situation, it’s just right for us to ask the United States for an Alaska type stayed and it will be, but for the fact that the Shevarnadze moved the borders (losses from fishing more than $ 1 billion a year) -compensation + moral damage, for the Caspian Sea under the 1940 agreement. or 41g. the entire Caspian basin belonged to the USSR right up to the Persian beaches, and Russia is the successor of the USSR, not only debts can be handed out (the best defense is an attack), Russia is not in a condition to bend everyone with cancer (if you could have one strong ally, an army point to start)
  49. Letterksi
    Letterksi 6 May 2013 10: 54 New
    +1
    Putin’s current policy is to build the Eurasian Union and mix everything in this utopian geographical territory: incompatible peoples, the economies of different countries. On the Internet there is an interesting analysis of Putin-Russia strategy for the near future here http://vnatio.org/news2904/ state ideology has already been created for this next experiment on us. Japan is one of the countries that should be drawn into this utopian idea. No one knows how this idea will end, but the islands will probably merge now, thereby depriving the Russian Pacific Fleet of free access to the Pacific Ocean, enclosing it in a small "puddle" limited by the Kuril ridge and Japan.

    According to Dugin, Japan, after signing the peace, must join Eurasianism with a smile on its face, of course, it will make a good face with a bad Russian game. Maybe he even pats Putin’s shoulder and says a lot of human-liberalistic thanks, as they did with Gorbi once.
  50. okean969
    okean969 6 May 2013 11: 04 New
    +1
    Calm down, guys, no one will give up smoking, it will entail too big consequences, there are no fools in the Kremlin.