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How a simple village grandfather taught the mind to the mind ...

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How a simple village grandfather taught the mind to the mind ...Here I listen to you, urban, and amazed. This is how much to learn to know so much? And the words are tricky to say and swear somehow somehow, but there is no concept of life. As in the bank, where my grandmother cucumbers salt. You live not only behind the glass, but also in the cellar. You say that life will improve, there will be some reforms there, something else. And how will it improve? In order for the owner to be on the ground, at the plant, here on this lake. Not the owner, from whom you bought vouchers for hunting, but the one who also takes care of the ducks, will disperse the raven so that the nests will not drown, will bring fodder if necessary.


Here before the collective farm was the chairman. Boss, I will tell you. Climbed into all holes, into every nook and cranny. Who has a wedding there or a birth is planned, who, God forbid. Commemoration. He knew everything and remembered everything. Just ran to the chairman-solve the question. And decided. Therefore honor and respect were to him. First place at any table.

And now what? Like, the farmer should be instead of the chairman. What is he? And the reaper, and the Swiss, and the dude igrets ... Everything, like, in the case, but to no avail. We take loans all the time. Why take? - Yes, because somehow it turned out, we do not earn for feed.

Or here are the choices. Previously, elections in the village were a holiday. In the morning everyone gathered, music played in school, the men at the table already in the 6 hours ranked whom they would choose. And everyone knew it would be necessary, the deputy will accept and if he can, he will help. And now you know who your deputies are? Here we still know our village, and then ... We don’t even know the names. And then these same deputies of their own and the bosses will be convicted. And you look, everything, sort of like, friends, girlfriends. Some mean laws are passed, others are executed, and no one is responsible for anything.

The main thing is that people complain about the head of our settlement (ugh, what the village was turned into), and the deputies again approve it. Because a friend and comrade. And I will tell you, men, there will be no order among us until there is no owner, and while some friends pull the deputies behind the ears of others ...

This is about a monologue I heard. And I thought, and after all, Dedok is right. With his peasant mind, he reached what we could not yet reach. He simply, with a swearing word (of course, I can’t literally copy a speech) explained to us what and how. The troubles of our country are immensely embedded in the electoral system. After all, we really do not know our deputies. Moreover, we laugh when we read in which districts our actors, players, and others were elected ... Whom they represent in the State Duma. We vote for one candidate, but a completely unfamiliar person turns out to be in the State Duma ... According to the party list. And this person has already been obliged by his deputy status not to us, the voters, but to his party boss. And he wanted to spit on us. The main thing to please the faction, the main thing is to be at the top of the list, the main thing is to be with the ministerial salary in Moscow.

Maybe that's why they removed the voter turnout threshold, because they understood the presence of such grandfathers in Russian villages and cities. How much has come, so much is good. You can not vote against all. To spoil the bulletin? - Yes please.

The people are not going to the polls, and the bureaucratic and deputy caste, periodically changing places, lives in clover. So, we need to change the electoral system, remove the caste-bureaucracy and nepotism (this is how it can be during the election of normal) deputies. We need to deploy the servants of the people facing the people. Enough already to look at the asses of permanent meetings. We are not sheep, we are a people who want to respect themselves and their state. We now have a strange division-the state is disgusting, and the Great Motherland ...
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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 7 May 2013 05: 24
    57
    The proposal to deploy the servants of the people facing the people is certainly correct good Only the current which side do not turn-everywhere wassat
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 7 May 2013 05: 31
      18
      Here in our city ... There are no roads at all after spring (the asphalt melts with the snow .. there is such a joke).
      So usually by May 9, though Victory Square is being patched up, but what about this year? That's right Nah! they didn’t do nichrome, but why? Because a Russian official cannot choke laughing And they have no shame.
      So the funny thing is that for 20 years now, the same faces in the local government.
      Do you think we don’t understand all this? What are pick-picks, and why go to them? If the candidates are the same people, and if they do not elect Sidorov Ivan Inanovich in these elections, then Ivanov will vibrate, and Sidorov will come again the next term, and Ivanov will immediately come after him.
      For the same thing with ShmedwePunts these liberaltolitarian.
      Where is the hope? Who will help Who will save? Do you have to work better? And for whom? All the same, they will pull everything away ...
      Well, what's new grandfather said? never mind! The whole country knows and understands this ... Well, except for the author .. he just lived in the cellar for the last 20 ice, since he is surprised at this ...
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 7 May 2013 06: 02
        +9
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        Proposal

        The proposal to refuse to nominate candidates from parties and societies, etc., and how to do it in Soviet times, the election of deputies, one from each city, region and territory where the parties could participate on an equal footing with everyone. In addition, voting must be made completely open, i.e. not anonymous, you are voting for someone, you should not be shy to shout about who you are voting for. The same, apply in elections to power, from local government, to cities and regions. THERE ARE WE COULD KNOW AND ASK WHO WHO IS AND FROM WHERE!
        Well, the responsibility and understanding of each person, that depends on his choice, his future, relatives and the country.
        1. matross
          matross 7 May 2013 15: 13
          +4
          Quote: SPACE
          election of deputies, one from each city, region and territory

          And it’s easier for each member of the federation to have one deputy. Regardless of the number of voters. After all, all subjects are equal, right? And the bicameral parliament is useless, only to loafers in the Federation Council, this is generally a sinecure of clean water, a patrician damn cf !! For the implementation of legislative activity at the state level, it is quite enough if the sessions are not skipped. Give deputies a really big salary and no immunity. There must be the best! An open vote, of course, is utopia, but you can think of something. For example, holding mandatory exit pools by independent organizations and if there is a discrepancy of more than 15-18% re-voting, ballots of different colors for different candidates (in opaque envelopes) and online broadcast of the count, you can still think of a lot.
      2. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx 7 May 2013 16: 18
        +1
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        Here in our city ... There are no roads at all after spring (the asphalt melts with the snow .. there is such a joke).
        So usually by May 9, though Victory Square is being patched up, but what about this year? That's right Nah! they didn’t do nichrome, but why?

        And all because the president has not yet arrived in your city this year hi, but if the officials were waiting for his arrival lol
      3. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 7 May 2013 23: 34
        +4
        You said everything correctly, except for the address of Grandfather. And the grandfather directly said that the real owner of the collective farm was under the USSR - the chairman. I can say the same about enterprises: under the USSR, the director is an economist (and more often a technician and economist by education), the chief engineer is a technician, i.e. "owned" the issue, and now "run enterprises managersif they were wrong. Except for $ they see nothing in their eyes and understand nothing about the production they "run". How many, excuse me, these "stars" have lost their enterprises. Here THEY came, and everything will go "uphill", but it turns out - everything is "downhill" ... All GOSTs, SNiPs have been canceled, we eat nasty things, we build at random, we teach children somehow!
    2. vadimus
      vadimus 7 May 2013 07: 16
      20
      It's time to put the sensible from the people to the post .... And all the Harvard in the pigsties to shove ...
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 7 May 2013 08: 13
        14
        Quote: vadimus
        It’s time to put the sensible from the people to the posts .... And to put all the Harvard in the pigsties ..

        Pigs will die if you push these Harvard laughing
        1. wax
          wax 7 May 2013 16: 31
          +3
          Pigs will die if you push these Harvard

          Pigs can eat - no 37 years old!
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 7 May 2013 09: 50
        +9
        Quote: vadimus
        obviously it’s time to put the sensible from the people to the posts .... And to push all the Harvard in the pigsties ...


        So begin to hawk at pigs to rub. Do we need it?
        1. T-130
          T-130 7 May 2013 12: 30
          +2
          Let them ditch them there!
      3. T-130
        T-130 7 May 2013 12: 29
        +3
        Nefig they do there, the pigs still die from their presence, sort their garbage in a landfill!
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 7 May 2013 12: 39
          +1
          Л
          Quote: T-130
          to the landfill sort their garbage!

          Better to become garbage.
      4. domokl
        7 May 2013 13: 45
        +3
        Quote: vadimus
        It’s time for the sensible from the people to put on the post.
        The problem is that fairy tales about the possibility of becoming a deputy or an official without party membership remain fairy tales ... We look quite normally at the careers of our official deputies, again a deputy, only higher, the mayor or governor ... He served his term there and in the Federation Council or the State Duma according to the party list. And the position is thought up — the chairman of the general ford, who suddenly, not without having appeared just now, has enormous resources
      5. elmi
        elmi 7 May 2013 14: 53
        +3
        Quote: vadimus
        It's time to put the sensible from the people to the post .... And all the Harvard in the pigsties to shove ...

        A good idea! send novice politicians to villages to practice, so that they are closer to the people.
      6. yak69
        yak69 7 May 2013 15: 04
        +2
        Quote: vadimus
        It’s time for the sensible from the people to put on the post.

        so it’s like that, only who will put their sensible ones, if THERE ARE ALL DIGGERING ?! The law of life - like attracts like. Dermo swims to shit.
        I just don’t know if we can do without storming these very TOPs or they themselves will voluntarily leave the feeding trough and free up a place for a normal owner.
        And what do you think?.....
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov 7 May 2013 15: 21
          +3
          The elections from below - ten's manager / centurion / thousand - everything is open and discussed.
          1. yak69
            yak69 7 May 2013 15: 45
            +3
            Quote: Volkhov
            The elections from below - ten's manager / centurion / thousand - everything is open and discussed.

            So, something like this happened in the Soviet era: the labor collective, as a rule, put forward (or was offered to it) production leaders or those who achieved real successes in leading positions. We are told it was fiction and formalism. A man from a plow, they say, does not understand anything in laws. Nothing like that! Every normal worker knows what is the use and how to go to it.
            I am convinced that we do not need to reinvent the wheel. You just need to return to the basic Soviet laws, adding private enterprise to them! That’s the solution.

            The state can corporatize ALL enterprises by selling shares to citizens of the country and retaining a share of at least 35%. Appoint managers and evaluate them by the profitability of the enterprise at the end of a year or two. No profit - down! A loss from his salary.
            The recipes are simple, but now, is such simplicity and openness needed for those who are now in power ?! Great question !!
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 7 May 2013 19: 35
              +2
              The state can corporatize ALL enterprises by selling shares to citizens of the country and retaining a share of at least 35%. Appoint managers and evaluate them by the profitability of the enterprise at the end of a year or two. No profit - down! A loss from his salary.

              Stupidity said. What are all businesses? and privatized, and unprofitable, by definition, and bankrupt, MIC (only he remained in state ownership). What does it mean to sell? There are either no words or a lot. Too simple recipes.
              And with Soviet times, there was nothing to compare exploitation was prohibited, speculation, too, and joint stock companies too.
              I am convinced that we do not need to reinvent the wheel. You just need to return to the basic Soviet laws, adding private enterprise to them! That’s the solution.

              No there, too, the shit was decent - cash lotteries, social competitions, fraud, people were excluded from making serious decisions of foreign and domestic policies, excessive secrecy in many manifestations, assault, fake unanimity, etc.
              Experience must be taken into account, but it is necessary to build not ISMs (both those and other Jewish offspring), but something new. According to a new principle, the purpose of which is the disclosure of the positive qualities of a person in all spheres of life.
          2. domokl
            7 May 2013 21: 13
            +2
            Quote: Volkhov
            Elections from below - ten's manager / centurion / thousand - everything is open and discussed

            This option is good at the municipal level ... And then? Selected tenants choose a centurion, a thousand, etc.? So we again deprive people of the right to choose and copy the electoral system of Yusovtsy .. Just name the people differently.
            I think it’s enough to remove party lists and set the bar for voter turnout, as well as a column against everyone ...
            1. Volkhov
              Volkhov 8 May 2013 11: 29
              +1
              Elections from below in a small team allow you to discuss the candidate and make an informed choice, and a massive, impersonal system leads to the choice of a pig in a poke. For the most part, we did not know what Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and the voices of women attracted by populism, such as restricting the sale of vodka, would crush any voice of reason.
              The main result of the choice from below is that its people are at the top, not the zealots, and this is more important than the illusion of the choice of the king by the proletariat.
      7. Prometheus
        Prometheus 7 May 2013 16: 44
        +2
        Perhaps it is easier to revive bonded labor? Let them build roads in Siberia. We have just BAM to bring to mind, to equip AYAM ... There will always be work.
        1. domokl
          8 May 2013 05: 39
          +1
          Quote: Prometheus
          Let them build roads in Siberia.
          What is it that you hate us so much for? We don’t have any roads, and here there will be seams ... lol We do not need such builders ...
    3. starshina78
      starshina78 7 May 2013 11: 37
      +5
      I agree with my grandfather one hundred percent !!! What can we demand from deputies if they become not according to the abilities or suggestions of citizens, but according to their membership in parties. And the qualitative composition of the deputies wants to be better. What kind of deputy, for example, from Masha Kozhevnikova. She starred in the moronic TV series "Univer", and would have starred further, but no, she was needed to attract young people to vote for the party in power, but it turned out the other way around, this election caused only laughter. And there are many such deputies. A deputy must be a politician, know the laws, the life of the people, and be a native of the people, and not an athlete, artist, or anyone else, knowing neither the laws nor how the common people live. Hence the laws are adopted such that every year it is harder and harder to live.
      1. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx 7 May 2013 16: 30
        0
        Quote: starshina78
        Which deputy, for example, from Masha Kozhevnikova

        Trying to be closer to the people?
        Something I doubt that these roles will bring her closer, rather lower negative
    4. opkozak
      opkozak 7 May 2013 12: 58
      +2
      Quote: Ruslan67
      Only the current which side do not turn - everywhere w o p but wassat


      Komatsu for such advertising should build a bridge for free.
    5. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 7 May 2013 16: 07
      +4
      I'll leave the fuck from Moscow. How tired of everything here.
  2. Pablo_K
    Pablo_K 7 May 2013 05: 25
    +2
    Totally agree!
  3. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 7 May 2013 05: 25
    -3
    With his peasant mind, he reached the point where we can’t reach yet

    But I am very sorry for the author of the article .. I even thought of letting my 6-year-old son go to the forum, so that he would teach the mind to the mind ... It’s so surprisingly obvious that I understood in my perestroika childhood.
    So which of you did not take and did not understand those things that the grandfather says? (Well, except for the author, of course .. he is generally dense).
  4. mogus
    mogus 7 May 2013 05: 28
    +9
    everything is so.
    Just do not hear us. And we do not need the Olympics, the APEC summit, the World Cup in football, well, why all this? Prestige for Moscow, but for the people what?
    1. AndreyAB
      AndreyAB 7 May 2013 05: 44
      +6
      So that's why the country is in ruin, and how many of these billions have stuck to their paws? And for this, such "grandiose" events will be beneficial to distributors but not to the country.
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach 7 May 2013 06: 41
      +6
      It is not a matter of the village grandfather, but that he has seen a lot. Life experience, hence the understanding.
      And we do not need the Olympics, the APEC summit, the World Cup in football, well, why all this? Prestige for Moscow, but for the people what?

      And here you are Meganeright. For, in fact, these construction sites have become "locomotives". For some, the budget should be cut, but that is a question for the prosecutor's office, who will tear them away from the chair and get down to business. And for others - an analogue of the Soviet BAM and other "construction projects of the century". What the Country is still proud of.
      Today the question was raised on RBKtv, please note - almost a year before the Olympics, what to do with the objects after? As in Greece, which "loved" up to 25% of GDP, for the Olympics, or as in China, where, thanks to the Olympics, several generations will use the best practices. And they remembered about sumit automatic telephone exchange, as an example of "what should be avoided". But the trick is that there is infrastructure and facilities. Not an open field. And these are not virtual, but quite material things.
      1. mogus
        mogus 7 May 2013 07: 35
        +8
        did the APEC summit structures stop the outflow of people? Did these buildings solve the problems people are fleeing from? Far Eastern University, which was also built there, after graduation, by profession you can find a job no closer than in western Siberia.
        Only a few will be able to go to Sochi, not to mention the Olympics, the rest in finance ...
        All this is good, only at first (and logically) you need to solve pressing problems.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 7 May 2013 16: 49
          -1
          did the APEC summit structures stop the outflow of people?

          We are talking about different things. I mean that the Cable-stayed Bridge on Russky Island was built. Traffic jams, I think a little less. And you about the fact that people are leaving anyway ... Well, now the government must set up all the golden cells and adjust the pillow for the night, for every Russian? Tales they already sing are not bad. What is the claim to the feds?
          Did these buildings solve the problems people are fleeing from?

          Many of the "runners" find refuge in religion. Are we talking about the meaning of life now or about mortals in the government? Paradise for everyone and on earth - they cannot afford it.
      2. Ustas
        Ustas 7 May 2013 09: 30
        +3
        Quote: dmitreach
        dmitreach

        Cool picture! I’ve seen such people several times already. And then I thought, and why the hell to us the flow of deputies, when one can replace 3-5 people. Well, that is necessary to reduce the DG 5-10 times. There will be more benefits.
        And party lists need to be removed, or reduced to 10-30% of the parties.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 7 May 2013 12: 18
          +1
          Theoretically, it seems to be understandable ... But practice is always lame ... In general, they should have a fear of losing their "bread place". And then "the deputy's lack of touch" - corrupts.
          Here is interesting: Will Ponamareaa with Gudkov-Junior "leave", or do they have no methods?
    3. domokl
      7 May 2013 13: 53
      +1
      Quote: mogus
      Just don't hear us
      Because they don’t hear that sometimes someone will express themselves somewhere .. The rest are silent ... The whole thing is, understanding, we admit ... And this, excuse my harshness, is a direct betrayal from our side. We are silent or doing smart a person, we understand everything, and we don’t say anything, we don’t write, we don’t demand ... But the authorities need such a people ... A hard-working, able to survive and silent
    4. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 9 May 2013 04: 08
      0
      You write Moscow with a small letter, it’s worthless.
  5. Renat
    Renat 7 May 2013 05: 35
    13
    Yeah, the servants of the people are hiding from the owner (people) Behind the bulletproof glass with a high fence and completely protected themselves with flashing lights and immunity laws.
    I propose to return the minimum voter turnout threshold, return the "against all" clause, and if the elections are declared invalid, then the electoral list must be completely renewed, since the people did not choose you, then you have nothing to do in power. A brother will match a son-in-law, etc. also swept aside.
    1. domokl
      7 May 2013 13: 58
      +3
      Quote: Renat
      I propose to return the minimum voter turnout threshold, return the "against all" clause, and if the elections are declared invalid, then the electoral list must be completely renewed,
      fellow It will turn out that all the deputies will have to be changed ... And the officials, respectively ... And what about the lawmakers of different levels?
      And about the turnout threshold .. If less than half come constantly, what should I do? laughing Your proposal is too correct and will not be accepted simply because no loopholes have been invented for such elections for their people ...
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 7 May 2013 19: 47
        0
        Domoki, can it arrange a collection of signatures here on various decisions and wishes-instructions of the local community and by any means bring to the attention of His Majesty? Toka do not say that it is pffff. Or rename the local community as a Steam Alumni Community?
        1. matross
          matross 7 May 2013 20: 14
          0
          Ivan, I beg your pardon for the offtopic, but something from your "Domoki" made me laugh laughing laughing
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 7 May 2013 23: 05
            +1
            I’m already used to it (for a long time I didn’t notice that it’s not I but l) it’s the best. Here the people actively do not like the Cyrillic alphabet, but on the contrary, I’ll get angry if they make the Latin alphabet write something.
            And I’m so not modern and I respect the Russian language that I don’t know what it means and I don’t want to know-offtopic and many other fenies. I wrote A and L in Latin and I don’t see the difference.
            1. matross
              matross 8 May 2013 10: 47
              0
              Honest pioneer, I also really respect the Russian language and spit on the Latin alphabet. I didn't want to offend you at all. And Domocles, I believe, is a distorted Damocles (from "sword of Damocles"). For the protection of the great and mighty you +
              1. Ivan.
                Ivan. 8 May 2013 11: 00
                0
                I understood everything about the insult is out of the question, I try to understand what a person wants to say and do not become attached to words.
  6. AndreyAB
    AndreyAB 7 May 2013 05: 43
    +4
    An excellent article, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye, and this convinces once again without the Tsar’s master, Russia will be in the grip of temporary workers and dough.
  7. kind
    kind 7 May 2013 05: 46
    10
    And now I’ll tell you, men, we won’t have order until there is a master, and while some friends will pull others into the ears of deputies ...

    Deputies need to remove all benefits, and give a minimum wage in the region from which they were elected. Then let him develop his region if he wants to live better, and every six months a report on the work done, and if he didn’t do anything, kick in the ass.
  8. Fox
    Fox 7 May 2013 05: 52
    12
    grandfather is not a grandfather, but I do not understand how the Kabaevs, Khorkins, Safins and other fecal-"sports" rabble, carrying stupidity from the Tibuna, end up in the Duma. And they, like "represent the interests ..." just 70% of the Duma can be safely to send to develop the Magadan region, to remove snow in the taiga (they still can not do anything.
    1. AlexxxNik
      AlexxxNik 7 May 2013 06: 37
      -6
      Quote: Fox
      I don’t understand how the Kabaevs, Khorkins appear in the Duma
      instead of Kabaeva and Khorkina, they could have chosen Venediktova and Svanidze, for me it’s better to be people who have achieved something on their own than disseminators of other people's ideas, just in pseudo-democracies there is a loophole for people who are already popular among the people, they don’t have to spend on campaigning in our "independent" from anyone but the owners, the media. Although, of course, they can also be charged by someone
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 06: 48
        10
        Quote: AlexxxNik
        instead of Kabaeva and Khorkina, they could choose Venediktov and Svanidze, for me it’s better to let people who have achieved something themselves,

        Are you talking about Venediktov and Svanidze that they themselves have achieved something? Does it need them in a thought? Are you now at the computer, for an hour not sitting with a white ribbon on your chest?
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 7 May 2013 06: 59
          +3
          Alexander Romanov, good day. Svanidze, of course, is an encyclopedia man, but together with Kurginyan they give an explosive mixture of Zhirinovsky's nuclei ... I wouldn't want to watch "Radu" in Moscow and place bets ...


          oh, these white ribbons ... there is something to learn from omerigunss ...
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 7 May 2013 10: 00
            +5
            Quote: dmitreach
            Svanidze, of course, a human-encyclopedia,

            Yes, this Intsyclapedia got it already. The problems of higher education on RBC - a little darling sits, the death penalty on NTV - he’s handsome, Stalin’s birthday - right there, Solovyov generally registered, whatever they would discuss. Does he know anything at all? And where did he study so well that he knows the whole damn thing?
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 7 May 2013 12: 05
              +1
              Yes, this Intsyclapedia got it already. Does he know anything at all?

              about that and speech
        2. Hleb
          Hleb 7 May 2013 07: 00
          +5
          it would be clearly written to harm. he meant, as an example, to choose Venediktov and Svanidze and call them rabble, and not athletes. But they themselves achieved something — it was Kabaev and Khorkhin.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 7 May 2013 07: 06
            +1
            Are you serious about Venechka? He will retire soon, but I personally live and live. Youth is better. They are at least capable of learning.
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 7 May 2013 07: 10
              0
              Well, you give a pancake belay ))
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach 7 May 2013 16: 52
                0
                choosing between Venediktov, with Uh Matsy and youth, I am still an optimist. (and the hunchback - the grave will correct request )
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 07: 33
            +3
            Quote: Gleb
            harm would be clearly written

            If it were clear, I would not leave a comment with a bunch of question marks!
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 7 May 2013 07: 38
              +1
              Malekh, he didn’t exactly put it, the quote made the meaning cloudy wink
        3. AlexxxNik
          AlexxxNik 7 May 2013 09: 34
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          It’s you who are talking about Venediktov and Svanidze that they themselves achieved something

          probably unsuccessfully put it, I just see them as a distributor of ideas from someone else’s shoulder
        4. domokl
          7 May 2013 14: 06
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Are you talking about Venediktov and Svanidze that they themselves have achieved something?
          Hello Sasha! The fact that these gentlemen are undoubtedly talented, but they play the role of a telemord, official for spitting ...
          In general, the main ones are not those who are on TV, but those who otmusyvaet loot for their fees ...
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 7 May 2013 07: 37
        +8
        Quote: AlexxxNik
        could choose Venediktov and Svanidze

        Well, well .... "democracy" rules. Why is there Svinadze, let's have Novodvorskaya and Navalny HARD WORKERS.... whom the world has not seen
      3. Ustas
        Ustas 7 May 2013 09: 34
        +3
        Quote: AlexxxNik
        instead of Kabaeva and Khorkina, they could choose Venediktov and Svanidze

        Yes, according to Svanidze, the prison is crying. Svanidze is the mouthpiece of the US State Department. Do you want to introduce an external government in Russia?
      4. Heccrbq
        Heccrbq 7 May 2013 15: 07
        0
        Alex, you’ve lost your mind that Benya, that Svenidze, and they’re hanging on a pillar, I won’t forget how the last one screamed in 93 --- crush, shoot, destroy about the White House defenders. These are 2 about prostitutes, engraftments.
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach 7 May 2013 06: 57
      0
      Kabaeva has a producer.
      Jokes and jokes, but the Honored Master of Sports of Russia is not for you to poke buttons, cursing the authorities. She is also a "public figure", though she is a very quiet figure ... What did you do? When? ... Wait and see. She is only thirty ... She is still far from Elena Grigorievna Drapeko, but who should go into politics if not the Honored One?
      Chulpan Khamatova is known for her social activities. Was member of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation. I didn’t pull politics, although I could.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 May 2013 07: 34
        +7
        Quote: dmitreach
        ... Wait and see. She's only thirty ..

        A photo for what? I would have hugged her in the place of Putin, and not only laughing
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 7 May 2013 12: 03
          0
          and so am I about that. garna dіvchina.
    3. Hleb
      Hleb 7 May 2013 07: 30
      +4
      feel free to send to explore the Magadan region

    4. domokl
      7 May 2013 14: 01
      +2
      Quote: Fox
      I don’t understand how the Kabaevs, Horkins, Safins and others end up in the Duma

      laughing Why didn’t he mention Valuev? And they turned out only because they were elected by the people on party lists .. the truth under other names laughing
    5. Magadan
      Magadan 8 May 2013 03: 17
      0
      Dear Fox from the Magadan Region will not work out, rather somewhere on the Courchevel.
  9. lvn321
    lvn321 7 May 2013 06: 08
    10
    In vain you are all the same Kabaev, you call Khorkin rabble. All the same, Olympic champions, and we have not so many of them now. Well, in the Duma, they really have no place.
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 7 May 2013 07: 03
      +5
      Yes, what would the buttons poke and in all kakaikarami rush a lot of mind is not necessary.
    2. Ustas
      Ustas 7 May 2013 09: 39
      +4
      Quote: lvn321
      In vain you are all the same Kabaev, you call Khorkin rabble. All the same, Olympic champions

      So is their honor and praise for the Olympic achievements, but it’s not the same to govern the state.
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 7 May 2013 12: 11
        +1
        only after all, it’s not the same state to govern.

        Well, let them start a "new career". In sports, they are already "retirees", even though their whole life is ahead. What do you need for a qualified government-vom in 30 years? To have thirteen generations of forefathers like Kenedy? Is this a guarantee of the mind? Or is 30 years too young?
        What is the recipe?
    3. Ivan.
      Ivan. 7 May 2013 11: 37
      +2
      In vain you are all the same Kabaev, you call Khorkin rabble. All the same, Olympic champions, and we have not so many of them now. Well, in the Duma, they really have no place.

      In order for new ones to unwind, time and money are needed, and these already untwisted ones, are just savings. And the old corns in our eyes rubbed that's all arithmetic.
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 7 May 2013 12: 38
        +2
        Quote: Ivan.
        In order for new ones to unwind, time and money are needed, and these already untwisted ones, are just savings.

        That's just it, that we all rush to a beautiful picture in advertising, and then we sit at the computer and are indignant that everything is bad with us.
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 7 May 2013 14: 05
          +1
          Here we have one advertiser-patriot dmitreach
          "and you do not consider the word" advertising "through the prism of MMM.
          Advertising is a method of communication, one of the functions of which is informing ... And I will quote from my diploma: .... The biggest problem for an advertiser is not just the consumer's desire to perceive advertising, but even resistance to information ... . "
          That's it and that we all rush to a beautiful picture in advertising

          Do not rush - we are being treated in science.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 7 May 2013 16: 55
            0
            I appreciate it. repeat I shake hands. Not often me sinful quote. laughing
            Well, seriously, then:
            Do not rush - we are being treated in science.

            And what about Kabaeva, Alinochka they run over here? Or should she also "write poetry at home," like Vasilyeva? This is not in the advertisement of the StateDNDuma case. Just in respect to the Honored Master of Sports.
            Ivan, is there anything to argue about the procedural issue? smile
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 7 May 2013 18: 43
              0
              And what about Kabaeva, Alinochka run into here?

              Not for them but for those who follow them, they themselves are of little interest to anyone. I won’t be able to accuse me of hitting; on the contrary, I indicated that their role is third-rate, they can be pitied after use, they will be thrown back or turn into henchmen.
              It’s not about advertising the State Duma. Just respect for the Honored Master of Sports

              it's not at all dark. And the last sarcasm does not color the person.
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach 7 May 2013 23: 12
                -1
                Well, actually not a complaint to you, but to some commentators.

                on the contrary, I indicated that their role is third-rate

                Oh, not a fact. Their role is such that you can trade it. The signature has weight. Not long ago Gudkov-Junior distinguished itself with “permits for demolition and development in the historic center of the city”. And you can, like other politicians - with votes in the Duma. The same mastadont Zyu, no matter how he bargained for the position of the party, on the issues voiced to the "above", but he plays in politics, and not in Berezovshchina. BAB's laurels are not given to him. That's why he is alive as a politician. (like Zhirik, no matter how personally we treat them). And what is this if not a system of "checks and balances" (in the broad sense)? Or if the "Saint comes" to the place of Sue, will something change?
                I have a strong impression that some people give politicians the "St. Peter" standard. The address was not mistaken?

                will turn into henchmen.

                A general in a skirt can afford to be "dirty" if business qualities are at their best. For the rest, I do not understand the tastes of Comrade. Novoseltsev.


                And the last sarcasm does not color the person.

                And where does the sarcasm? I liked the wick magazine. But this is called satira.
                Are you exploring politics with a pint? The roof will not go? For me, it’s better to be a satire, because listening seriously, is often difficult ... Maybe you can get Ilya Vladimirovich Ponomaryova (or others like him) to take seriously - I don’t have, but I haven’t been given other persons.
        2. domokl
          7 May 2013 14: 16
          +1
          Quote: Ustas
          That's just it, that we all rush to a beautiful picture in advertising, and then we sit at the computer and are indignant that everything is bad with us.
          To be honest, I don’t quite understand why Kabaev and others like us are so outraged ... Naturally, people who have achieved something in some sphere at such a level simply have to be elected if the people want to ...
          The thing is different ... They are elected in different districts, by steam locomotives ... And they are honestly elected ... And then the devil knows what ... They refuse and transfer their places to the next in the list ...
          But he did a test ... Among the generally not stupid and educated acquaintances. Who can name the deputies for a vantage ... No one else called 43 ... But their 450 ...
    4. carver
      carver 7 May 2013 13: 40
      0
      I do not agree why not the place? The Duma should decide all areas of development in the country and in sports, too, but who but the former athletes should know where and what is the drawback in this area? I understand, of course, that all kinds of elite sports such as tennis are on the sidelines, but gymnasts, athletes, skaters, volleyball players still almost got out of the mud to riches, why don't they work to improve the conditions for the development of sports in the Duma? And as I understand it, in this direction they are working there. What do you think our famous athletes should end their lives in poverty like many in the Union? Not many people have coaching talent, advertising on our television does not promote sports, mainly low-lying needs ... so that it’s possible to be one of them in the Duma, and would be engaged in their own business according to their profile.
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 7 May 2013 17: 08
        +1
        carver, so there is also infrastructure and organizational issues. Who does not know about this, as the athletes themselves. There and Fedya, our mustache, Emelianenko went into politics. Who else but Him?
        In the fighter’s election program, considerable attention was paid to the development of youth movements and sports interests of the public [201]. Being elected, Emelianenko said that he would “monitor the observance of human rights and make people's lives better” [202]. In August 2012, Emelianenko became a member of the Council for the Development of Physical Culture and Sports [18], after which he moved with his family from Stary Oskol to Moscow

        Who will have the courage to say that Fedr, for the sake of a hut in Moscow, climbs into this cesspool (in politics, in the sense)?
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 7 May 2013 17: 22
          0
          Well, in an Internet courage is not needed much. And Fedor and San Sanych will be hooked.
        2. carver
          carver 8 May 2013 10: 46
          +1
          dmitreach, well, so for the functioning of the system in the field, there are many athletes who have not received world fame. This does not mean that they will not cope with the coaching or organizational work in the field. As often happens, they become much better managers and coaches than stars. But sports stars are just easier to promote this or that direction using its fame. The main thing in any business is that everyone goes about his business and where he can bring the greatest benefit.
    5. baltika-18
      baltika-18 7 May 2013 15: 03
      +2
      Quote: lvn321
      In vain you are all the same Kabaev, Khorkin calls rabble

      Let the children in the sports school train, and not adopt laws.
      While doing their job, they were worthy of respect, but now who ....?
      Just ch.m.o.shnitsy.
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 7 May 2013 17: 11
        0
        And the coach in the sports school, is able to cut money from the budget for sports equipment, competitions and sports halls?
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. 7 May 2013 18: 56
          0
          He is capable, but not everyone, even in the Union, it was easier although even then the initiative ones suppressed, the problem is in the system and who built and supports this system. Even Putin is too tough for her.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 7 May 2013 23: 20
            0
            Complicating the question: On the scale of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation? (region, region, republic) Wholesale so to speak. Trainer. Usual. Not Honored, not the Olympic team.
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 7 May 2013 17: 27
        +1
        and who should adopt the laws? in their own business? that is, they should teach the deputies from school? there is no place for a tractor driver and milkmaid? a turner and a miner, an engineer and a military man, an athlete and a scientist? this is not their business ... what does it mean? you don’t even know anything about a person, but in public it’s fashionable to shout, deputy, then a liar, a bribe taker, dishonorable .. that you personally are not happy with athletes in the deputies. just write about those deeds that defame Kabaeva, Rodnina, Karelin .. .
        oh! hint! there Tretiak seems to be involved in the law of "Dima Yakovlev"
      3. carver
        carver 8 May 2013 10: 52
        0
        You yourself, in my opinion, simply cannot be treated with respect for people who gave youth and health to sports and who glorified Russia with their achievements. How often the phrase is repeated: “Oh, the dog knows she’s strong ...”
  10. fenix57
    fenix57 7 May 2013 06: 35
    +4
    " And everyone knew that it would be necessary, the deputy would accept it, and if he could, he would help. ", -deck if it doesn’t help, they will SIT, DO NOT NEED THE 37TH YEAR,... need the 70s. And all officials will feel "swirling in the ass"! ... in case of non-execution ... Up to the execution! Sometimes he could ...
    1. domokl
      7 May 2013 14: 20
      0
      laughing
      Quote: fenix57
      "And everyone knew that it would be necessary, the deputy would accept it, and if he could, he would help.", - if he doesn’t help, he will SIT, THE 37TH YEAR IS NOT NEEDED,

      A cool example of juggling .. Where did the woods about 37 come from? Yes, and about the plant?
      Quote: fenix57
      . need 70s. And all officials will feel "swirling in the ass"! ... in case of non-execution ... Up to the execution! Sometimes he could ...
      Valery, and what are these 70s? This is what 37s are laughing
  11. fenix57
    fenix57 7 May 2013 06: 44
    +5
    And not only knew how to lead, but also to act:
  12. Zubr
    Zubr 7 May 2013 06: 58
    12
    A WISE NOTE. BRIEFLY, BUT CLEAR, THAT IS EXACTLY THE SAME MY FRONT-FRONTED GRANDFATHER EXPRESSED. AND AFTER THE WAR THE DAIRY FACTORY STEADED AS A DIRECTOR AND THREE COLLECTIONS AS A CHAIRMAN. AND LEAVED A LOT OF GOOD FOR PEOPLE AND GRANDCHILDREN. AND NOW ? THREE YEARS AGO REGISTERED IN SOC. NETWORKS "IN A CIRCLE OF FRIENDS" .... I WOULD CALL IT "IN A CIRCLE OF SHARKS" ...
    THERE WAS AN ARTICLE OF ONE TITLED BY ALL FOREIGN ACADEMIES "RUSSIAN UMNIK":
    THE ARTICLE WAS TITLED THIS: "HOW TO RAISE A QUALIFIED CONSUMER", THE APPROXIMATE CONTENT OF THE ARTICLE THAT AT THE COUNCIL. THE UNION CREATED A MAN CREATOR AND NOW NEEDS A HUMAN CONSUMER. I HOPE EVERYONE PERFECTLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS SPEAKING ABOUT.
    I ASK HIM A QUESTION: "IF YOU GROW CONSUMERS, SO WHO WILL LIVE FURTHER, CREATE, BIRTH AND RAISE PEOPLE, STAFF FOR THE COUNTRY, WHO WILL YOU WORK WITH FURTHER?
    THE ANSWER IS QUOTING LITERALLY: "YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING? NO YOU WILL LOOK AT IT, WE ALL WILL DIE, BUT HE WILL LIVE!"
    WHAT I COURTED TO HIM: "ON THE OTHERWISE EVEN VERY WELL UNDERSTAND, YES, YOU DON'T BE SICK"
    AND I DRAWED AN EXAMPLE PICTURE WHAT HIS THEORY AND ITS IMPLEMENTATION IN PRACTICE WILL RESULT IN.
    MANY ME THERE SUPPORTED THERE, AFTER THIS TITLED "CONSUMER LIBERAST" VANISHED FROM THE NETWORK.
    SO WHAT THE CONTRA WORKS IN OUR BACKGROUND. The most terrible enemy of our children and grandchildren is doubt and work from these misunderstandings. Not in vain did our princes and graphs give their children to be raised in a peasant family so that they knew how and how much work they earned.
  13. waisson
    waisson 7 May 2013 07: 13
    +6
    everyone should do their thing heroes in sports develop sports and not advertise cell phones as a deputy. what kind of policy if they are from 5-6 years old in sports diplomas of higher education institutions in a gift wrapper they will benefit. They will not benefit from regular lobbying of their interests and promotion of career ladder. doesn’t smell like disinterestedness
  14. mojohed
    mojohed 7 May 2013 07: 25
    +2
    They write a lot about many things, but unfortunately, in Russia for the most part, the Russian people want to live in justice. what the grandfather said is unfair. But ask anyone: "So you became the head of a city there or a village. So they allocated you money for roads. A contractor came and said - let me give you such and such a rollback, I will make the roads, but of poor quality, and you will attract me for the purchase. contractor. and that "any2 will not take? Yes, even as he takes and then he will take more and more, and then he will finish everything to the point of open arrogance. He will start with local taxes to withdraw money to his dummy firms.
    So almost every one of us, once in a warm place, will profit in one way or another.
    Unfortunately, everything is arranged in Russia in such a way that you can’t earn real and legal neither in honest business, nor in farming. And predatory taxes and prices for fuel and lubricants and feed, too.
    1. domokl
      7 May 2013 14: 28
      -1
      Quote: mojohed
      So almost every one of us, once in a warm place, will profit in one way or another.
      It is quite possible .. But only in one case, the continuation of the era of impunity and permissiveness. But progress is already being made in this direction. Let it be small, but it means that the government understands that it already has no two ways. There is only one thing left - to restore order and law .. It's time to end the perestroika-revolution
    2. vadson
      vadson 7 May 2013 23: 08
      +1
      with this attitude it is better to hang yourself right away
      and steal on the ground due to the fact that it is STATE
      simple example: a small town of 15 thousand people. two local deputies have muddied the pawnshop, it is thriving, the people are dragging the golden people.
      one fine day they’re robbing a pawnshop, they’ll calculate from the cameras - local heavy-duty machines. the deputy’s phrase-what do they need stsukah, fuck .. the state?
      although quite normal successful people.
      when they touch him for a warm place, he does not like him, but he doesn’t give a damn about the national treasure.
      one thought in the head floats to form properly, but I can’t try to explain: you need to do something like oooh. more precisely, let there be a municipality, they elect a head. he is given a salary of bare minimum six thousand. and according to the results of the activities of the head and the municipality, some money is paid from positive, not squandered, effectively performed activities.
      Roughly speaking, the activities of the municipality are positive; hold money; negative, hold a criminal case. then those who want and can work will go to power, otherwise the mess will continue
  15. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 7 May 2013 09: 09
    +7
    Here it is, a homespun truth ... But we also guessed about it fool
  16. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 7 May 2013 09: 38
    +4
    Delegation is formal - the meeting room is almost always half empty - deputies do not go to work / they are not interested, there are other things /. A power of attorney is written for someone and "walk Vasya". Imagine all the workers of the plant write a power of attorney to the owner and let him work. But the Duma must control the work of the executive branch, and the deputies are only concerned with solving their personal problems (after all, there is no deputies who are not well off). prime minister.
  17. Vtel
    Vtel 7 May 2013 09: 39
    +4
    And what is there to say around an ambush, the tops do not want, the lower classes are not given. The same housing and communal services were handed over to swindlers, and then they themselves confirm this on a television show, but they can’t do anything, because then you need to change the whole thief system and open a large highway for the stage. In general, a vicious circle as you do not judge.
  18. Ivan.
    Ivan. 7 May 2013 11: 19
    +2
    For this, the owner must be on the ground, in the factory, on this lake. Not the owner from whom you bought hunting permits, but the one who also takes care of the ducks, the raven will disperse so that the nests are not littered, will bring poop if necessary.

    The word owner is from the word FARMING, the owner is the one who looks after the farm, cares and bears responsibility and does not give orders (clerk) and the third word is owner. 100 years ago there was a peasant (people) master on the land over him clerks over whom, in turn, the owners (princes and nobles). In the USSR there was a master (the people), the "clerks" were the party, the owner was the people. Now the owner don’t understand who (the transitional period), the clerks are managers, the owner is the people whose desire to be the owner is discouraged at the state level, they are forced to work almost free of charge, in every sense they even abandoned imported products and even overseas. The difference between the village and the city was brought up as in the pre-revolutionary, peasant hut - a landowner's palace.
  19. optimist
    optimist 7 May 2013 11: 39
    +4
    Grandfather forgot to add: Take a history book for 1917 and read carefully. Everything is described in detail what needs to be done ... A wolf can be persuaded for a long time not to eat sheep. But a good bullet from a good gun can solve the problem. But seriously, there are already no good ways out of the situation that has arisen in the country. There is only a very bad and very very very bad ...
    1. domokl
      7 May 2013 14: 32
      +1
      Quote: optimist
      The wolf can be persuaded for a long time not to eat sheep. But a good bullet from a good gun can solve the problem.
      Grandfather was sitting around the fire in a jacket with a bar of awards, among which I saw the Red Star and a couple For courage .... Maybe that's why I did not mention bullets ...
  20. NIK 163
    NIK 163 7 May 2013 11: 58
    +9
    We had the Master of the country, though he had long since died. After the death of a pair of worn boots and a pair of uniforms from personal property, that’s all the property. But he raised the country, won several wars. This is the real Master, that’s what he was called. authorities and let us rake a bunch of bobs with two rakes, and let the country be lost in abyss. All the same, then roofing felts will leave for London or Paris.
  21. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 7 May 2013 12: 16
    +6
    :-) elections are elections, but the main problem is not even with these "family members", but that the laws are made in such a way that no one is responsible for anything. There is no responsibility, neither administrative nor criminal. They will go to jail for a cell phone, and in the government for billions. A return to the system of personal responsibility is necessary.
  22. Eric
    Eric 7 May 2013 13: 31
    +2
    Pray, pray on the poo ....
  23. carver
    carver 7 May 2013 13: 45
    +2
    In general, the article is correct. But what new "grandfather" said, nevertheless, it is obvious to everyone that there is no responsibility for people before the State, and there is no Master in every industry. And if they were responsible for every penny as in the Union with freedom, the state and future of their children would be the owners at once. Article for the plundering of State Property force.
  24. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 7 May 2013 18: 28
    0
    A good article, there is no owner in the country, no one is responsible for anything, hence all the problems. GDP got its flirting with everyone and everything, it's time to restore order!
  25. Rrv
    Rrv 7 May 2013 19: 07
    0
    Government, deputies, boss ... Yes, business ...
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 7 May 2013 19: 10
      -1
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  26. Titanium02
    Titanium02 7 May 2013 19: 20
    +1
    Well, about the "simple" grandfather - thank God, there are many such grandfathers still ... This is the personification of the people, its roots ... Experience - you can't drink it, wisdom - too ...
  27. Magadan
    Magadan 8 May 2013 03: 54
    +1
    Everyone should do their own thing: an actor-to play roles in the cinema and theater, an athlete-to win the Olympics (or at least participate in them), to build-build, and not to occupy a place in the Ministry of Defense, in general, non-professionals-vacate the place. And about the development of the Magadan region . so it is conquered, they just leave from there, the apiaries are liquidated either completely or are half empty.
    1. Eric
      Eric 8 May 2013 07: 18
      0
      You have beautiful nature ...