In Germany, thinking about the feasibility of buying US drones

“The organization of such a delivery is complicated and takes time,” de Maiziere said during a working visit to Washington, Deutsche Welle reports.

According to him, before such a deal, "legal, ethical, technical and financial issues" should be carefully studied. The German minister believes that the agreement on the supply of American drones could become an "interim solution" until Germany, together with its European partners, develops its own aircraft of this type.
The opposition Social Democratic Party (SPD) and the Greens do not consider a deal with the United States worth tens of millions of dollars necessary. Thus, the SPD expert on defense issues, Rainer Arnold, stated that he did not see "specific military operations in which drones might be needed."

Even an expert of the ruling Christian Democratic Union (CDU) on defense issues, Ernst-Reinhard Beck, doubted that combat unmanned aircraft from the United States would receive admission to Europe. The final decision on the deal will be made only after the elections to the Bundestag scheduled for September 22 2013 , reports dpa.

Earlier, the United States confirmed its readiness to sell three Reaper UAVs to Germany, as well as four ground stations for them. A positive response from Washington to the official request of Berlin, the German authorities, according to the Minister of Defense of Germany, hope to receive in May 2013.

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[Yeraz]

Rather, they will develop their own. The Germans love everything German))

[Phantom Revolution]

Too expensive device, it’s easier to build submarines for the same money.

[Trailer]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

it’s easier to set up submarines for the same money.

And pass them to Israel, if anyone in the subject.

[Pimply]

Well, Israel pays for these specific boats.

[Rustiger]

Quote: Yeraz

Germans love everything German

The Germans love something, but who will "allow" them. After World War II they were bent down like that. First, all the technologies and equipment were removed, then they were "degreased" by repatriations, and now they were "diluted" with Turks, Pakistanis and Algerians.
A little over a hundred years ago there was a Great German Nation with poets, composers and engineers. Now they have been turned into a European plant for the production of equipment for all kinds of "advanced doves" and loafers from the "olive republics".
There is no army as such. She turned into a sort of militarized police.
Such is the revenge for the "lohocost". Sorry for the Germans, I respect them as a people

[APASUS]

Quote: Rustiger

Now they have been turned into a European plant for the production of equipment for all sorts of "advanced doves" and loafers from the "olive republics". There is no army as such. She turned into a kind of militarized police.

How sad everything is with you !!!
Damn where did Siemens AG, AEG SVS Schweißtechnik GmbH, Grundig AG, Robert Bosch GmbH, Airbus Military Company SAS
Germany is quite capable of creating UAVs no worse than Reaper !!

[OTAKE]

Quote: Rustiger

Quote: Yeraz

Germans love everything German

The Germans love something, but who will "allow" them. After World War II they were bent down like that. First, all the technologies and equipment were removed, then they were "degreased" by repatriations, and now they were "diluted" with Turks, Pakistanis and Algerians.
A little over a hundred years ago there was a Great German Nation with poets, composers and engineers. Now they have been turned into a European plant for the production of equipment for all kinds of "advanced doves" and loafers from the "olive republics".
There is no army as such. She turned into a sort of militarized police.
Such is the revenge for the "lohocost". Sorry for the Germans, I respect them as a people

Oh, these poor, poor Germans, and the technology was taken away, and the Algerians were brought in, and no one is letting them produce weapons for the unfortunate, they squeezed out a tear, they are so "fat-free" that they cannot even assemble a normal tank, we have Lada Kalina and that is cooler

[Rustiger]

Quote: OTAKE

Oh, these Germans .. where are they, to normal self-propelled guns! With their prehistoric technology!

I took your it as a primitive PETROGENITY. I realize that I could not convey the thought.
Briefly, and again. ... ... "I feel sorry for the Germans, if it were not for something and someone in the XX century, they could now be" cooler "than amers, both in technology and in terms of culture. Perhaps, they would be" friends at home ", if we abstract from the period 41-45 years After all, tyrtar-mangals, and psheks, and paddling pools “stayed" with us before. Nothing, time has passed, everything seems to be overgrown with dust.

I want to offer you an avatar -

[OTAKE]

Quote: Rustiger

"I feel sorry for the Germans, if not for something and someone in the XX century, they could now be" cooler "amers, both in technology and in the level of culture

The Germans are already at the level of amers in technology, and even surpass them in some respects, I will not say anything about culture, since who and the Germans in Europe have preserved culture and economic potential like no other, they are still pulling the EU.

There is no army as such. She turned into a sort of militarized police.

The German army in the EU is the most efficient

[Corsair]

Quote: OTAKE

The German army in the EU is the most efficient

The Germans ceased to be the most combat-ready in Europe from 4 at six in the morning on 22.06.1941. It was from this boundary that the collapse of Germany began.

[ShturmKGB]

At this stage of the development of UAVs, only targeted bombing of banana republics is suitable, but in the future, when the computer will be smarter, it is necessary to develop this direction!

[OTAKE]

ShturmKGB

At this stage of the development of UAVs, only targeted bombing of banana republics is suitable, but in the future, when the computer will be smarter, it is necessary to develop this direction!

Well, how strange your conceptual apparatus is working .. and reconnaissance, coordination, location mapping, guidance, who will do it? God? UAVs not only know how to bomb, then

[B_KypTke]

Well, how strange your conceptual apparatus is working .. and reconnaissance, coordination, location mapping, guidance, who will do it? God?

All this is necessary if you are going to fight ... and the Germans have already fought. Therefore, we thought about the feasibility of acquiring expensive and useless devices.
It is also written there ... Rainer Arnold said that he did not see "specific military operations in which drones might be needed."

[SPACE]

Quote: B_KypTke

Therefore, we thought about the feasibility of acquiring expensive and useless devices.

nope, they just read in a recent article "Sea Power of the XXI Century" my reasoning about the futility of tactical-strategic UAVs

[sedoii]

But rather, they do not trust their partners, as life shows, they can’t manage 100% of them, and according to a secret command of the Americans, he can fly in the wrong place and drop the bomb in the wrong place and much more.

[Ruslan_F38]

And it’s unnecessary for the Germans to buy anything from the United States or other countries, Russia will protect you!

[Phantom Revolution]

Want to be in NATA buy from the USA.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Want to be in NATA buy from the USA.

And do not miss the imposed opportunity to sign the Chancellor Act!

[WIN969]

Have you thought in Germany? It thinks the United States, and Germany embodies the plan of the United States.

[BARKAS]

Clever thought will never hinder the main thing that they allow this thought to think!

[Rustiger]

I have a THOUGHT! And I'm her DOUUMAUUUU. . .

[orff]

There is no tender. The decision to sell was imposed by the Americans to support production. It seems that the Germans initially did not need these drones. It recalls the story of the sale of five generation fighters to Japan.

[Sergey_K]

ShturmKGB

At this stage of the development of UAVs, only targeted bombing of banana republics is suitable, but in the future, when the computer will be smarter, it is necessary to develop this direction!

Do you happen to get paid extra for these words? We got such komenty, by golly.

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Sergey_K

Do you happen to get paid extra for these words? We got such komenty, by golly.

Yes, everything seems to be right, at the moment of technology development it is an expensive and not effective device, against a country that has air defense, let's say against those who do not have air defense, it’s cheaper to use a missile, and who has air defense it is not effective.

[Pimply]

Strange, but the results of hostilities say the opposite

[Professor]

Quote: Phantom Revolution

Yes, everything seems to be right, at the moment of technology development it is an expensive and not effective device, against a country that has air defense, let's say against those who do not have air defense, it’s cheaper to use a missile, and who has air defense it is not effective.

It is your opinion that Russia does not have air defense? In what foreign forum did they inform you?
In the same Abkhazian direction, Georgian drones regularly flew over the positions of our troops, and in most cases we had to put up with this. These Israeli-made Hermes UAVs circled the paratrooper camp for hours with impunity for hours because military air defense systems “didn’t take them”: ZU-23 anti-aircraft missiles didn’t penetrate, and MANPADS did not fly due to insufficient heat radiation from drones.
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[SPACE]

oh well georgia it helped them a lot , and you forgot about planes? they weren’t specially shot down, paratroopers scared the Georgians with fear

[Vtel]

Opposition Social Democratic Party (SPD) and the Greens do not consider a deal with the United States worth tens of millions of dollars necessary.

This is the Germans who correctly installed the amers with the unmanned UAVs, not all of them rule the amers, and the Germans trust their iron more, who knows what the kosher stuffed with their Reaper there.

[Pimply]

The Germans are considering buying the Israeli counterpart Riper, and therefore pull - there are more advantages.

[Professor]

100%
Bundeswehr is negotiating with Israel on the purchase of combat drones

[Bongo]

Unfortunately, the article does not say about the type of drone, and this changes a lot, they have different capabilities. It is doubtful that it will be the "Global Hawk" in the photo.

[1c-inform-city]

We have already been burned on drones from Israel. Not only did they not set the kit, they still do not fly below 0.

[Professor]

Quote: 1c-inform-city

We have already been burned on drones from Israel. Not only did they not set the kit, they still do not fly below 0.

OBS?

[Pimply]

A proof you can bring. And I’m answering you, official, from tests in Russia, where it is clearly indicated that no operational problems have been identified, and the UAVs showed excellent performance at a temperature of -50.