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Conscripts are going to pay 120 thousand rubles for dismissal

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Conscripts are going to pay 120 thousand rubles for dismissal

As Izvestiya explained to Zhigarev, the payment of severance pay will increase the popularity of military service.


“For Muscovites, residents of St. Petersburg, large regional centers, this may not be too much money, but for residents of the backwoods - very decent,” explained Zhigarev.

He added that the state would need about 30 billion rubles a year for payments, which can be transferred from other items of the military budget, for example, from funds allocated for the promotion of military service and the search for draft dodgers.

“I think that with the introduction of these payments, the number of draft dodgers will decrease, and interest in serving in the army will increase,” Zhigarev noted.

Aleksey Zhuravlev, in turn, explained to Izvestia that the proposed payments to soldiers are comparable to the annual subsistence minimum in the country.

- We take a living wage, multiply by 12, it turns out 100 thousand or a little more. With this money, soldiers will be able to settle down after returning home. It is the minimum payment that our children felt not as farm laborers on a plantation, but respected defenders of the Fatherland, - Zhuravlyov explained.

He believes that the required 30 billion can be taken from such dubious, in terms of Zhuravlev, budget expenditure items, such as, for example, financing Rosnano.

- Rosnano has about 30 billion of losses. Let's give this money to those who bring real benefits to the country. I am sure that many colleagues will support me, - said the deputy.

A colleague of Zhuravlev and Zhigarev on the State Duma Committee on Defense, United Russia deputy Franz Klintsevich is sure that money cannot solve the problem of unpopularity of draft service.

- I, of course, for the fact that the soldier added monetary allowance. But I am against it if this money is taken from the expenses of propaganda of military service. 10 thousand rubles a month will still not convince anyone. It is necessary to make so that the intelligent and intelligent guy understands that serving in the army is a sacred duty, whether someone likes it or not. And for this you need to make good films, like in the West, and carry out image work, ”Klintsevich explained to Izvestia.

He added that many young people in Russia "want to be heroes" and the only thing left for the military is to send this need in the right direction.

Deputies plan to implement the idea with the help of amendments to the federal law “On the monetary allowance of servicemen and the provision of separate payments to them”. Now the draft document is undergoing legal expertise, after which in mid-May it will be considered at the State Duma Committee on Defense.
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  1. patline
    patline 3 May 2013 09: 21
    +5
    And if the contract remains overdue, will there be no payment? Somehow illogical
    1. family tree
      family tree 3 May 2013 10: 30
      +9
      Well said, upon dismissal. Before you conclude a new contract, you usually break the old one, that is, you quit.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 3 May 2013 10: 37
        24
        Right now, all of Makhachkala will line up for the military enlistment office :) ... for a year on state grunts and even cursing money from above, and then you can go to Boston ...
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 3 May 2013 11: 38
          +4
          A law is needed according to which one who has not served in the army will not be able to take any vacancy in public service.
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 3 May 2013 13: 48
            +7
            Cool! And the second time they will take to the Army? smile I remember when I went on a demobilization, in 1990, our call was paid FIRST TIME 100 p. Prior to this, the damn was given a dime. Oh there was joy! Well, take a walk on that! laughing Money is certainly good, but not cash! And only upon arrival home, after registration with the military registration and enlistment office. And then many half a year do not return home walking demobilization! wassat
            1. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 3 May 2013 17: 07
              0
              Quote: Atlon
              Cool! And the second time they will take to the Army? smile I remember when I went on a demobilization, in 1990, our call was paid FIRST TIME 100 p. Prior to this, the damn was given a dime.


              They didn’t even issue me travel documents, but even more so. I had to borrow from a distant relative to get home ...
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 3 May 2013 18: 10
                +1
                Quote: Geisenberg
                They didn’t even issue me travel documents, but even more so.

                Well this is how it was necessary to screw up !? :)
            2. waisson
              waisson 3 May 2013 18: 51
              0
              I’ll be following you after I’ll make an appointment where I’m 17 years old. And I’ve remembered DMB 88 as a dimenny chervonets. Moreover, I’ve been serving for exactly a month
          2. opkozak
            opkozak 3 May 2013 15: 56
            +1
            And then having entered the civil service he will think a hundred times before starting to take bribes and strangle entrepreneurs !!!
            1. Blazard
              Blazard 3 May 2013 16: 42
              0
              Has someone already strangled you? If you are considering the FTS under the "stranglers of free enterprise", then I dare to disappoint you - it is not those who came there to gain experience after the army (like me) and receive 7.5-10k rubles a month, but those who have never served and got a job immediately on a high position in the Directorate or the Central Administration of the Federal Tax Service thanks to the pull / dad-mom

              And, by the way, if I were in the place of some, I would have strangled these "free merchants" so much that they would scoff with fear and would not even think about using tax evasion schemes. Or do you think that all fiscals are completely corrupt pseudo-collectors, and entrepreneurs are English people in white clothes?
          3. starshina78
            starshina78 3 May 2013 19: 35
            0
            I'm all for it ! It is necessary to adopt such a law according to which the employer may suffer such damage if a person under the age of 27 is accepted without any document certifying the passage of military service or a certificate of exemption from service issued not by a civilian medical authority, but by a military man, which is comparable to a hundredfold average wage in the region. The same law provides for the punishment of parents helping their offspring to hide. If a person hid before the age of 27, and then came to the military enlistment office for military tickets, then give out a wolf ticket, which will block his path to more or less normal offices. He wants to get a military ticket, let him go to serve after 27 years, it's okay. In the press, on the Internet, on TV, in the cinema to create such films, programs, write articles, blogs, in order to instill a desire to serve in boys. In my time, a girl will not go for a walk if he has not served (which means he is flawed or sick). In movies and TV shows, show the image of an evader so that he looks intimidated, clogged, sick, to disgust him.
            1. Spike
              Spike 7 May 2013 23: 42
              0
              He fell off the moon and, in the fall, ё..sya ... No offense. There’s another time. He wants to serve him green street after serving, i.e. free higher education, etc. You do not want to serve pay the state the maintenance of 2 conscripts and renounce the rights of a citizen of the Russian Federation.
        2. Nitup
          Nitup 3 May 2013 14: 09
          0
          And where does Makhachkala and Boston? So the Dagestanis are rushing into the army, and they also require money for it.
    2. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 3 May 2013 14: 40
      +6
      Another populist slogan of the Liberal Democratic Party to attract the readership to their side and nothing more. There is no money in the budget for a decent pension for old people who have put their lives in the country, and the LDPR is going to pay for military service. Well, do not make people laugh.
    3. Boris55
      Boris55 3 May 2013 17: 30
      -1
      Quote: patline
      And if the contract remains overdue, will there be no payment?

      At the conclusion of the first contract, "lifting" is paid in the amount of 10 salaries. There is much more to it.
    4. Army1
      Army1 3 May 2013 17: 48
      0
      Well money is not bad! But many just stay in the army, and leave. Why do many people go to other countries to serve urgently, to Israel, not even Jews, because they want to serve and engage in combat training. Return it to our army, let them shoot for days, physical training, otherwise march, who needs it? 2 years no less, but in general I am for contracted sun.
    5. Joker
      Joker 3 May 2013 18: 39
      0
      He believes that the required 30 billion can be taken from such dubious, in terms of Zhuravlev, budget expenditure items, such as, for example, financing Rosnano.

      Ahaha, of course he pinned hi
  2. Murmansk
    Murmansk 3 May 2013 09: 26
    12
    Money ... money ... And this is a confirmation of the "capitalization" of the spirituality of those in power. Get up country HUGE ...
    1. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq 3 May 2013 09: 33
      +1
      They need meat, as much as possible, that they care about people not to be believed.
      1. Shumer
        Shumer 3 May 2013 12: 53
        +5
        Hmm, something stronger and stronger patriotism and love for the motherland begins to acquire a monetary equivalent - sad as that.
        1. elmi
          elmi 3 May 2013 14: 16
          +4
          Quote: Shumer
          Hmm, something stronger and stronger patriotism and love for the motherland begins to acquire a monetary equivalent - sad as that.

          Right. And to stimulate an increase in a greater human resource, maternal capital was invented. Although the authorities are well aware - give people a decent salary, stability and order, and you don’t need any kind of capital, the birth rate will increase.
    2. waisson
      waisson 3 May 2013 19: 01
      +2
      Yes, with money they will buy a lot of people, but they won’t alter a person in any way if he didn’t have a spiritual patriotic education, so what kind of army will we have Hired and mercenaries without spiritual and patriotic education there is only money for them and tomorrow the neighboring state will offer 10000 tons of dolors and all our good fellows fly away like wild geese. mercenaries and are called wild geese
  3. treskoed
    treskoed 3 May 2013 09: 29
    22
    It is necessary to pay professionals and conscripts to provide benefits and advantages in education and public service.
    1. Canep
      Canep 3 May 2013 10: 34
      +2
      In order to attract conscripts to the army, in addition to the summons, you need:
      1 to provide interest-free mortgages for those who serve conscripts.
      2 to accept at the university those who served out of competition, and for the minimum passing score, and military commissars should monitor this.
      3 do not accept on state. service (and to the police) of those who did not serve in the army without exception.
      4 to allow girls to serve, and to issue maternity capital only if one of the parents has served in the army.
      If this is done, then 120 thousand will not be required for dismissal (this money will be enough only for a used car, and with difficulty for a down payment on a mortgage), and conscripts will literally storm military commissariats.
    2. Retx
      Retx 3 May 2013 10: 44
      +4
      C public service has long been an advantage. The children from the Caucasus mainly go for this, as soon as they started talking about limits in the Moscow Region and the State Duma, howling howl began immediately. Here the question is not as simple as it seems at first glance.
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 3 May 2013 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: treskoed
      It is necessary to pay professionals and conscripts to provide benefits and advantages in education and public service.


      Ie, conscripts just do not have to pay. And I’ll go under the hammers first of all naturally, conscripts ... The young man ...
      1. treskoed
        treskoed 3 May 2013 12: 31
        +2
        To what extremes? For conscripts - to provide everything necessary for the service, including and cash allowance for conscripts. And under the hammers (your expression) conscripts should not go without extreme need, this is the business of professionals.
    4. Atlon
      Atlon 3 May 2013 14: 05
      0
      Quote: treskoed
      provide consents and benefits to conscripts

      1. In the Army, you need to get a license (category "B", and better and "C")
      2. Issue a weapon permit
      3. Admission out of competition and without exams to any university (if stupid, anyway until the first session)
    5. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 3 May 2013 14: 23
      +2
      Quote: treskoed
      It is necessary to pay professionals and conscripts to provide benefits and advantages in education and public service.

      120 thousand for conscripts, and for major in OSHM with 19 calendars and with the 16th tariff category, severance pay under the new law is 2 salaries, i.e. 69 thousand. Normal such alignment.
  4. BARKAS
    BARKAS 3 May 2013 09: 30
    +1
    The service life of 1 year is 10 thousand. per month if you do not give out cash and pay with this money, for example, study, then why not quite real.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 3 May 2013 10: 31
      +2
      it remains only to pay, otherwise my friend, coming from the army, was very surprised when he found out that conscripts should pay something monthly
  5. Sewer
    Sewer 3 May 2013 09: 31
    +5
    I don’t believe it! But the idea is good, and there is no need for capitalism, soldiers should receive privileges for their service, it always has been, but 100 in a village of some sort is unreal wealth!
  6. Borat
    Borat 3 May 2013 09: 32
    +6
    I am a firefighter, warrant officer ext. service, length of service 22 years. Upon dismissal, I am entitled to seven salaries of money, this is 136500 rubles.
    Fifteen thousand more conscripts - some garbage!
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 3 May 2013 10: 19
      +1
      And you, dear, for your service sn received? 19500 if math doesn’t fail me ... And how much does a fighter get in a month? Do not equate the ass with a finger, I'm sorry). You can always go to contract soldiers) But seriously, then firefighters also need to raise the sn, but raise it wisely. It is necessary to raise those who extinguish fires on cars and risk their lives, and not those who jackal up money on fire inspections and not the bosses wiping the portcases in chairs.
      1. Borat
        Borat 3 May 2013 10: 27
        +4
        My boy, I have been getting so much since January 2013. For the delay (1989-1991) I earned much less. My salary now and the exit allowance are approximately equal to the payments to contractors, I do not need to equate contractors with conscripts.
        1. Mitek
          Mitek 3 May 2013 10: 55
          +3
          My boy, so what doesn’t suit you? What ordinary guys, having served their year, will receive a little more than 100 mp? Or are you not comfortable with your salary level? Change jobs, what problems? Or do you think the conscript is unworthy of money? I honestly don’t understand what you want to say. In addition to your salary, you have a salary for 7 months. The conscripts have almost none. They will be given 1 minimum wage per month, and they will be given all the money at the end of the service.
          1. Borat
            Borat 3 May 2013 11: 06
            +4
            Did you serve?
            Judging by your posts, you have a rather distant idea of ​​the service.
            Although there are some hints, in the spirit of: "if you don't like it, write a report."

            Term is a debt to the homeland, and salaries must be paid to professionals who have chosen this hard job.

            Serve and get candy - this is liberal!
            1. Mitek
              Mitek 3 May 2013 11: 40
              +1
              Served) It was a deal. Dear Borat (although I hate this film and the actor disgusted who embodied this image) You are certainly right, urgent duty to the Motherland. But this does not mean that the homeland should not help people who do not run from debt. And it doesn’t smell more liberal here, on the contrary, one of the arguments of liberalism against military service is that the Army is slavery and the year wasted in vain. Let me have a pension of 2200 rubles (like so much, I do not receive it, drips on the card and that's it) I do not consider myself either offended or deprived. And I don’t think that money from conscripts should be taken away and given to me, as a very injured person for a power.
            2. Ivan.
              Ivan. 3 May 2013 11: 57
              +1
              In some ways, Mitek is really right; your picture is really annoying; do a good deed; remove it, please.
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 3 May 2013 11: 42
        +1
        A kind, man probably served (without a salary and more than one year) and working as a firefighter, he supports himself and his family, a conscript in full state. provision and still receives a small allowance and even only a year, there is not much sense from the year, and even 120 after the service, which will be released immediately by a steep demobilization in most cases. "Wisdom" is obvious here, the defenders of the Motherland are only interested in this materially because there is nothing else.
        1. Mitek
          Mitek 3 May 2013 11: 58
          +4
          My dear, here everyone served for more than one year and everyone dragged the urgent without money. Here everyone supports families working as a firefighter, some cop, some double bass, some officer. That year is not enough, you are right. But this year of intensive military training gives many times more than our 2 years of sweeping the parade ground, walking along it with combatant strides, outfits, etc., anything, but not combat training. (I used to see 94-95 weapons for the first time I saw before the troops were sent in) And so that the demobilization doesn’t mess up everything, you can give out money only at home after a month or with a card with a withdrawal limit, or to parents. If the state gives money to people, and not vice versa, it is GOOD.
  7. Tolik. 975
    Tolik. 975 3 May 2013 09: 50
    +9
    again, someone is promoting himself, like taking care of the "poor soldiers"; let them dance the demobilization allowance, but I think this payment should also be differentiated: the peppers - less, the hard workers, on whom the company kept, passed the checks - more ... for an incentive.
    Quote: Murmansk
    Money ... money ... And this is a confirmation of the "capitalization" of the spirituality of those in power.

    money is just an increase in Freedom, simple guys serve mainly, and the allowance will not hurt them at home.
    1. Sewer
      Sewer 3 May 2013 09: 56
      0
      I liked your post, indeed, of merit and magnitude of demobilization!
  8. vadutc
    vadutc 3 May 2013 09: 58
    +3
    It is necessary to do so, you receive benefits if you have never been noticed in hazing and other violations of the charter.
    1. ed1968
      ed1968 3 May 2013 10: 03
      +1
      does bish come out to anyone?
      1. Sewer
        Sewer 3 May 2013 10: 08
        +1
        Why not who? It will be the other way around to motivate such a situation! But control over this should not be army, otherwise everything will be dragged to the last penny!
        1. Genur
          Genur 3 May 2013 13: 02
          0
          Yeah, only the "Soldier's Mothers" haven't been connected yet ...
          And the State Department was not asked.
    2. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 3 May 2013 11: 35
      +2
      Quote: vadutc
      It is necessary to do so, you receive benefits if you have never been noticed in hazing and other violations of the charter.

      And also in the case of the successful passing of the tests by the newly arrived shift for knowledge of their duties and military hardware - so that, as before, the grandfathers were engaged in training the new replenishment and the transfer of the post.
  9. individual
    individual 3 May 2013 10: 06
    +1
    Pleasant demobilization chord! I am afraid that this is another corruption opportunity. bully
  10. vadutc
    vadutc 3 May 2013 10: 07
    +1
    Who knows, maybe all this will be reduced at least, as they have already said here, the same guys from the outback ... they will think over everything and try to serve useful.
  11. AlNick
    AlNick 3 May 2013 10: 08
    0
    Another deputy PR!
    Another attempt to create a legal way of stealing money, maternity capital, support for large families and the like have already passed.
    In any way to push the law, and then "modify" it, leaving the next loopholes for fraud.
    The idea may not be bad, but Klintsevich’s one phrase: “... many young people in Russia“ want to be heroes ”and the military can only direct this need in the right direction.”
    Once again, everything is measured in money. The only question is how to issue, where and for what needs can they be used? At 19, for them it is crazy money.
    How many times have I seen drunken demobilization, which on the trains are first pumped up with alcohol by their more cunning colleagues, and then they are robbed to the penny. In the morning, sobering up, they start throwing themselves at neighbors in their carriage in search of money.
    The second question - what merits are estimated at 100000 rubles? Sweeping the parade ground, snow removal or real work at the training grounds and the level of development of the military specialty.
    So far, some questions and skepticism to the deputy initiative.
    1. family tree
      family tree 3 May 2013 10: 46
      +4
      Quote: AlNick
      How many times have I seen drunken demobilization, which on the trains are first pumped up with alcohol by their more cunning colleagues, and then they are robbed to the penny. In the morning, sobering up, they start throwing themselves at neighbors in their carriage in search of money.

      The issue is solved, to issue a credit card at the place of residence, in the Sberbank branch, or at the military registration and enlistment office, when registering, one month after the demobilization, when the air of freedom ceases to intoxicate and the meanders in the pumpkin will take the correct position laughing
  12. mojohed
    mojohed 3 May 2013 10: 09
    +3
    The initiative is essentially good. But now, everyone is talking about the budget expenditures - as propaganda - the popularization of military service. As civilians, I don’t see any propaganda or popularization at all, where does this money go? Settled in the pockets of the military media? Let us show films in all the media about exemplary units, about real exercises, about new equipment, about excellent soldiers. About those parts where instead of hazing and lawlessness - the charter and constant teachings. After all, the youth are not waiting for the parades on May 9, not clear boxes of troops by area, but interesting materials, showing inside the current changes for the better service, life and actions of the troops. Few - very few militarized programs on TV and radio. We see more about the Tsahal, the state army and neighboring countries. Therefore, respecting military journalists, I ask everyone to understand correctly and think about improving the image of the service.
  13. Mitek
    Mitek 3 May 2013 10: 11
    +4
    Quote: Heccrbq
    They need meat, as much as possible, that they care about people not to be believed.

    Forgive me, but it’s 3.14dets. They give money to the demobilized soldiers, but they don’t believe it and don’t like it. How they got it (sorry, I can’t find another word) that EVERYTHING is wrong! They will give a million each — the bloody Putin collects uneducated meat for slaughter and does not care about anyone, the officers raised the bloody regime — collects corrupt jackals to kill the most honest people a la gudkovy, kasyan and other scum. Excuse me, are you sick on your head ??? When the fighters were given money for demobilization ?? The country begins to take care of those whom it should - about the military, scientists, engineers! And I agree with Tolik. 975 payments should vary. A raider should not receive as a normal fighter.
  14. magadanets
    magadanets 3 May 2013 10: 29
    -2
    As the saying goes, trawling is not to turn bags. For PR, you can offer what you want.
  15. lobik
    lobik 3 May 2013 10: 40
    0
    It would seem obvious things. Everyone needs to pay with dignity for the work done, for the position and rank., And not just the default for the time spent. Any work should be paid, where does this slaveholding psychology come from. Conscripts-slaves, the charter must be changed urgently.
  16. Anti
    Anti 3 May 2013 10: 43
    0
    I think, with the introduction of these payments, the number of draft dodgers will decrease, and interest in military service will increase, ”said Zhigarev.


    In the southern regions, conscripts themselves pay money to get into the Russian Armed Forces.
  17. SEM
    SEM 3 May 2013 10: 48
    +4
    A good initiative, if only it did not work out as with "combat" when they were taken away from the soldiers ...
    1. Sewer
      Sewer 3 May 2013 12: 29
      0
      I agree here, we need to think everything through very well, calculate in advance all the possible nuances and plan ahead how to deal with this, no one has canceled corruption and evil intent! But about the fighting, I encountered this, I had to write to the military prosecutor’s office in Moscow that the command was completely insolent, I’ve been in civilian life for half a year already, and there are no combat men, only unsubscribes from the unit that work is underway, but for some reason, after a letter to the prosecutor’s office, everything was quickly decided somehow!
  18. old rocket man
    old rocket man 3 May 2013 11: 02
    +1
    Vodka without beer is money down the drain.
    The idea, of course, is good, you have to pay, but I'm afraid the stated goals will not be achieved. This will not add to the popularity of military service.
    We need tangible benefits to those who have served and the restriction of rights to everyone else. And do not pay attention to the moaning of the defenders of the sick and unfit, the sick and the state. service has nothing to do
  19. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 3 May 2013 11: 06
    +1
    And I can imagine how much many demobilization will be consumed with this money.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 3 May 2013 11: 36
      0
      Payment should be made half a year after the end of the service.
    2. Artmark
      Artmark 3 May 2013 11: 48
      +1
      I welcome you. Yes, many will drink in black. but how many will help you get to your feet, hi
  20. Rodriques
    Rodriques 3 May 2013 11: 24
    +3
    Great idea! Let them pay! Guys who have not slanted under a mother’s skirt, lifting allowance on a civilian for the first time does not hurt! It is possible to punish the ruble, as contract soldiers and officers, received many penalties during the service, was sloven, you will receive less during demobilization, and discipline will grow.
  21. uzer 13
    uzer 13 3 May 2013 11: 39
    -3
    Let all those who served then unfasten these grandmothers retroactively for all the years of service. In order to restore justice, so to speak. It is also necessary that these years be counted in triples in triple size. And then those who are in combat readiness number 1 around the clock, only 8 hours are counted, as if they had worked them out, and then threw their guns and went home to rest. Our laws are composed by big tricks. And they will start wrinkling turnips only when it turns out that there are no more people who want to serve.
    1. tixon444
      tixon444 3 May 2013 12: 08
      +2
      Our fools are the most stupid fools in the world! This is not about you. And about those figures of the famous artel for cooking up laws. Remember, a year and a half or two ago, they rushed about with the idea of ​​who does not want to serve urgent - let him pay? So it is necessary to combine both ideas, and there will be no need to rack their brains on where to get grandmas.
    2. uzer 13
      uzer 13 3 May 2013 14: 15
      -1
      The minus, apparently, was put to me by a comrade from the General Staff. I want to thank him for turning his attention to me, an ordinary soldier, and reading what the people expect from him.
  22. Corsair
    Corsair 3 May 2013 11: 45
    +6
    Quote: Murmansk
    Money ... money ... And this is a confirmation of the "capitalization" of the spirituality of those in power. Get up country HUGE ...

    But the pilots of the Red Army Air Force for successful reconnaissance. Departures, downed planes, successful assaults during the Second World War also paid money, and at the same time not small. And no one talked about the commercialization of the defense of the Fatherland and spirituality was more than ever in history. The defense of the Motherland, even in peacetime, is honorable but it’s hard work. And there’s nothing wrong with the fact that the state will turn to face society and help those who fulfill their military duty in peacetime and retired warrior stand on his feet ...
    P / S: Even in the most dashing years of the war, monetary allowances for military personnel and persons equated to them were paid.
  23. APASUS
    APASUS 3 May 2013 13: 24
    +3
    Your ma ...!
    They have been serving for a year and they don’t go! Soon, naked women will be lured to the recruiting station! Creative ponimash !!!
  24. Renat
    Renat 3 May 2013 14: 14
    +2
    In the Union, after being dismissed from military service, a young man got a job and he received "lifting" from the employer (factory, collective farm, etc.). I don’t remember the amount anymore, but no matter how good the help was. When I worked for 3 years, there was no need to return this money. And we want to take money away from poor Chubais. How is he now? The world will go with nanoobid to demobels.
  25. wulf66
    wulf66 3 May 2013 14: 25
    +2
    Yes ... have come ... Holy duty only for a fee? No words, only interjections. Good health to the juvenile humpbacked man, so he must live to see the trial. Alas, the drunk conductor escaped this fate.
    1. Renat
      Renat 3 May 2013 14: 29
      +1
      There is also God's judgment. There you can’t slip away.
  26. bublic82009
    bublic82009 3 May 2013 14: 57
    +1
    the idea is utopian
  27. Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 3 May 2013 14: 58
    0
    For a young man who has undergone military draft service, this cash payment can be a start in civilian life.
  28. Vtel
    Vtel 3 May 2013 14: 58
    +2
    As Izvestiya explained to Zhigarev, the payment of severance pay will increase the popularity of military service.

    This all reminds one of the strains of the "corrupt" government of Kerensky, an agent of the Kosher West. You can't buy conscience and honor for money. So it will go on and the mercenaries will be called up. The popularity of military service? That this is a rodeo or a podium, military service is duty, manhood and honor those who still need to think whether to take it or not, Schaub later did not slander inadvertently. There is no national idea, there is no spiritual bond of the nation, there is no Orthodox leader of the nation, they still have not been deserved to see God. So the unfortunate functionaries come up with any liberal crap, they either wanted to take the law away from the army for money, or you understand the other steppe, but the darling is the same.
    1. Recon
      Recon 3 May 2013 15: 39
      0
      I don’t see anything wrong with giving this money. Anyone who wants to slope will not be seduced by such a sum anyway, and for a 19-year-old boy from a province who has served, this is a lot of money. They will help him to sort out something before moving on. Not everyone has wealthy parents and a clear plan for the future, that is, after the army do that. The main thing is that they don’t drink and don’t spend them on any garbage such as clothes and booze, but let them go on the right track ... But this, of course, depends on the person.

      I don’t understand how this notorious money denigrates the debt, manhood and honor that you described. None specially they won’t go into the army, except for the most worthless rags.


      Zy I brought about 50 thousand rubles from military service. No, I didn’t squeeze it out from the young people - I photographed my colleagues in my free time, did the demobilization uniform at night, did not spend my salary. Because the family was waiting at home to be fed (served after uni). If I were paid such an amount after the demobilization in addition, I would not be upset at all. And you say duty, honor, dignity ... There are much more pressing circumstances, which, of course, does not negate the highest goals of the service.
    2. piterkras
      piterkras 3 May 2013 16: 42
      -3
      Nayonikov will be. Russian serve in the Army zapadlo. So for the Caucasians, Central Asians and lovers of the French Legion, the gates will be open only on the road.
  29. piterkras
    piterkras 3 May 2013 16: 41
    -2
    Previously, contract officers and those returning from Chechnya were robbed of money. And now they will be at the nouveau riche conscripts. Just the extra money is needed to restore life and order after the next disco in the Caucasus. Profit
  30. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 3 May 2013 16: 49
    0
    Money for young men who defend the interests of society and receive a military specialty is great. I hope the first step.
  31. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 3 May 2013 16: 52
    +2
    Quote: Mitek
    But this year of intensive military training gives many times more than our 2 years of sweeping the parade ground, walking along it at a marching step, outfits and so on, anything, but not combat training. (served 94-95 weapons for the first time I saw before the entry of troops)

    And it is in most parts even now - intensive combat training. I judge only in its part. Technique in the part of Tsar Gorokh, staff cut to the point of decency, outsourcing (what a shitty word), clearing and other newfangled little things only on a piece of paper and in a box. And the money for the demobilization is a new wave of crime - they will either be taken in part (at the checkpoint) or demand a rollback in the military enlistment office. In the Far East, Caucasians used to extort money, and now they probably do not disdain it either.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 May 2013 19: 24
      +1
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      And demobilization money is a new wave of crime

      Faced this when my conscripts with the military fired. At first they were milked by their native dates, then on the way to the Minvody, a local gopota, in the Minvody, the police, then by train, then the local military commissariat also demanded their share for the transfer of money.

      Everything that could, cooperated with intelligence, collected demobilization in groups, drove under guard and put directly on the train. Little, but at least something.
  32. rexby63
    rexby63 3 May 2013 17: 06
    -1
    Well now I can roughly imagine how much the homeland is for sale. Rave.
    Previously, military service was a sacred duty and an honorable duty, but now - a sacred credit and an honorable privilege?
  33. Mr.M
    Mr.M 3 May 2013 17: 36
    +1
    A curious initiative, but it would probably be wiser to direct these funds to equipping and modernizing military units, raising the quality of military training proper. Here you look - and the prestige of the army will increase.

    And the fact that finances are proposing to withdraw from RosNano is definitely a bright idea :)
  34. aviamed90
    aviamed90 3 May 2013 17: 49
    +2
    Soldiers conscripts, in fact, repay a debt to the motherland! It turns out the state also pays for it? What kind of debt is this? It would be better if this money was used to increase their monetary allowance and improve nutrition.
  35. rexby63
    rexby63 3 May 2013 18: 09
    0
    Haha. Minus was put by some "defender of the Motherland", I suppose?
  36. Alekseev
    Alekseev 3 May 2013 18: 39
    +2
    Everyone wants to pay off! laughing
    And this deputy writes "- For Muscovites, residents of St. Petersburg, large regional centers, this may not be too much money, but for residents of the provinces - very decent, - explained Zhigarev."
    That is, even a tricky thought - poor, that means he must serve urgently for 120 thousand, and if there is money (a resident of the capital), then in "graduate students", or at worst, in a "scientific company". What is 120 thousand for him? No, they say there is an incentive ... request
    Cool approach! Or class, I do not know what to call.
    But why pay the conscript? A soldier from him as from a .. bullet, fed by suction for free, dressed, and even carry out expensive training. How much is training m / in a tank, for example? No less than a lemon ruble, however.
    You tell the institute or college to get paid, not you to the professor. They don’t understand. laughing Or come to work to get a job and tell me - I need to be taught how I will work I don’t know, but the salary was ...
    No, rippled, if we want to save Russia, everyone is dancing worthy! In addition to people with disabilities and high-prone nationalist-minded potential militants.
    1. txsteron
      txsteron April 19 2014 20: 38
      0
      And why pay the conscript? -For the protection of the state, like no.

      A soldier from him as if from a .. bullet, --- why then they call him and force him * to defend his homeland *?

      fed by suction for free, dressed --- expired cereals, polar bear meat and other gastronomic delights would you like to taste in a civilian dress and dress in a great quilted jacket (which is a pea jacket), at the same time you will wash once a week. Potential employers for you turn.

      You tell the institute or college to get paid, not you to the professor. - show me at least 1 university that threatens with an article of the Criminal Code for non-admission and which involves your death in the learning process?
  37. pantech15
    pantech15 3 May 2013 19: 19
    +1
    after such news, one can see how much morale has fallen in the country, although we, those who switched to the contract in the 90s and early 2000s, have long understood that the "ideological" can be ignored by the state because these "stupid people" signed up for a contract when even a penny salary was not paid and the 2nd war in the Caucasus has already begun, so why do they need benefits (for example, a mortgage when the "solobons" after 6 years live in three rubles and those who have served for 15-17 years are renting a house), you just need to buy new ones that do not go to the army the question is whether someone else will buy them
  38. Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 3 May 2013 19: 22
    0
    Catch up and still give.
  39. individual
    individual 3 May 2013 21: 03
    +2
    Until a common idea of ​​all, for all appears in society. Until they get rid of odious personalities in the political leadership of the country, neither 120000, 150000, even in rubles, even in dollyars, even in tugriks, will solve anything. In Russia, the rulers want any problem decide with a ruble. Probably judging by themselves ...
  40. Rodriques
    Rodriques 3 May 2013 21: 05
    -2
    Quote: pantech15
    after such news, one can see how much morale has fallen in the country, although we, those who switched to the contract in the 90s and early 2000s, have long understood that the "ideological" can be ignored by the state because these "stupid people" signed up for a contract when even a penny salary was not paid and the 2nd war in the Caucasus has already begun, so why do they need benefits (for example, a mortgage when the "solobons" after 6 years live in three rubles and those who have served for 15-17 years are renting a house), you just need to buy new ones that do not go to the army the question is whether someone else will buy them

    Well, there is such a thing, so what? We all cook in one porridge, well, rejoice at least for the younger generation, at the wrong time we were born, you can’t change anything. Serve for the good of the motherland.
    1. pantech15
      pantech15 3 May 2013 21: 40
      +3
      we serve, but the fact is that now patriotism is being offered to buy, although I agree that we can see the last generation who was hurt by the Soviet ideology of Love for the Motherland, the new generation is only greedy for money, although this plays a role at the initial stage, I have a lot of acquaintances after raising the salary in the army the military registration and enlistment office although before that they called all military fools, but such people are ready to serve anyone who gives
  41. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 4 May 2013 18: 08
    +2
    Or maybe they should give apartments, cars in addition and kiss in the ass with demobilization?
    Oh my god, what have we come to ... We are cultivating a corrupt mentality.
    Military service is the holy duty and duty of every healthy man. That's it, point.
    I am totally against it. We have many more important areas where this money is really needed ...
  42. Sergey Ryazantsev
    Sergey Ryazantsev 5 May 2013 04: 03
    0
    The correct opinion, what is this RosNano ?! a friend told me that they have s / n for 1.000.000 rubles, still. And so the money will go in the right direction
  43. dmitrizelen
    dmitrizelen 28 May 2013 09: 56
    0
    Quote: Samsebenum
    Military service is the holy duty and duty of every healthy man. That's it, point.


    Bullshit of a madman ... If you owe something to someone - serve your health and speak for yourself. It's your problem.
  44. txsteron
    txsteron April 19 2014 20: 26
    +2
    After reading the comments on this news, I was terrified of how many fools there are and who write with a smart look: 1) those who did not serve to restrict their rights - women too? They are not subject to appeal at all, so it's time to forbid them to be, for example, by deputies.

    2) For those who say that they say they feed and teach at a high price, and some who are especially gifted have made comparisons with professors and students, but let me, is it possible that at least 1 student is dragged to a university with an article from the Criminal Code?

    3) Regarding what they say will be robbed, they will drink demobilization, give to parents, what kind of kindergarten in general? Is transferring money to a bank account an alien technology?
    About * drinking and giving out to parents * in general causes a hysterical giggle, because adult citizens who defended their homeland (so that the local inhabitants liked it) can not manage their own money?) And at the same time, all state posts offer to give out only to those who have served. Nonsense.

    4) Any work must be paid for, and the defense of the homeland is all the more compulsory (Hello UK) by itself. Don’t want to pay, why are you calling? Calling but can’t provide intensity and thereby refuse payments? So the workers' enterprises do not care about the problems.

    5) To fans who want to talk about holy duty, mercenarism, I recommend to heal in the appropriate clinics or to work on army conditions in civilian, thereby strengthening the country's defenses (you can choose any motive)

    6) A separate line is a variety of * majors, firefighters, etc. * gentlemen (this magic word is so fond of the Russian jackal ... sorry, officers) no one forced you to study as an officer, during your studies you received large scholarships (more than in civilian universities), during your work you received a salary and used the shopping mall (weekends, vacations, spending the night with your wife).

    PSAh yes, I am the same * villain and scoundrel * who did not serve and will do everything possible so as not to serve time in a penal colony, ala draft army of the CIS model.