Ural plant Zenit launched the second missile and artillery ship for the Navy of Kazakhstan

This is the second ship made at the enterprise, which is part of the National Company Kazakhstan Engineering JSC. Exactly a year ago, the first rocket-artillery ship descended from the stocks of this plant, which was given the name "Kazakhstan". The new ship was named after the plant - the manufacturer and by geographical location - "Oral".

The ship’s total displacement is about 250 t. It is equipped with missile and artillery weapons, modern communications, navigation and navigational weapons. In the future, several ships of a similar project are planned to be commissioned by the Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan.

The message is posted on the website of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan.

Comments

[Vladimirets]

Well done Kazakhs, at least they build something themselves, without political howls.

[domokl]

Well done, well done. Only, along with handing over the port to the Americans, we get another real Caspian player ... And the more players, the more interesting and dangerous the game ... It’s not possible to calculate all

[Ram chandra]

Actually ... a player in one team.

[domokl]

Quote: Mangust_ali

Actually ... a player in one team.

Then please comment yesterday’s statement by President Nazarbayev on providing the Caspian port to the Americans for organizing the transportation of military cargo? Why did you ask, what team is he going to play for next?

[vostok1982]

This event is from the same opera as the NATO transshipment base in Ulyanovsk. This is not a military base, just a stop on the way of goods from Afghanistan to NATO.

[Hauptmann emil]

I completely agree. "Ours" for some reason can afford to organize a transshipment point, and why the Kazakhs cannot afford it? Provided that there will be no AI servicemen. It's just a temporary storage warehouse.

[Vtel]

You can only add that the squat and see who wants to control the whole world. So far, our liberals are bending Russia to the West, why ask their brothers. Bad example ...

[Ram chandra]

In general, I still do not understand the news about the port. What will be there, what conditions. In my opinion, the news is like a duck from a yellow newspaper.

[romb]

Are there other options for the region?
Iran, China and India (?) Are unlikely. The reason is clear.
Pakistan - after the complication of bilateral relations, the possibility of mass transportation of military goods seems unlikely. Pakistan already worked pretty well with the coalition in the Afghan company, providing at one time (among other things) also territory for the delivery / export of military cargo. Now it is reaping the benefits in the form of mass discontent among various political forces of the state with this very cooperation.
Turkmenistan, in fact, has access to the Caspian Sea, but does not have a sufficiently developed port infrastructure. Moreover, being a country outside the military blocs (neutral), which cannot but understand that the adoption of this kind of political decision will undermine the basis of good-neighborly relations with its neighbor, i.e. Iran.
Other countries in the region are landlocked, therefore, the use of their geographical location as a transport hub will be purely nominal.

[Trailer]

Quote: romb

Are there other options for the region?

Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan ...

[romb]

In order for NATO to "go out" with cargo to Azerbaijan, it is necessary to cross the land border with Iran, which will lead to very bad consequences ...

[arseke]

And why do we have such an opportunity not to cut cabbage from s? They scratch one place and they go to fight, we can give them part of the port, they will develop it, they will use the services and goods in KZ + to pay us money for this. -Profit
What's the problem?

[воронов]

Quote: arseke

And why do not we having such an opportunity not to cut cabbage from ov

"Chopping cabbage" sometimes ends with the preparation of beshbarmak from the hosts' meat

[nnnnnn]

Quote: domokl

Then please comment yesterday’s statement by President Nazarbayev on providing the Caspian port to the Americans for organizing the transportation of military cargo? Why did you ask, what team is he going to play for next?

What about SOLUTION The Russian leadership on providing NATO and the Ulyanovsk airport with the Americans for organizing the transportation of military cargo? Why did the question arise, but for which team does the Russian leadership play?

[Andrey57]

The airport is just understandable why, but the Kazakhstan port in the Caspian is not clear! Where can they transport their mythical cargoes to the Caspian? After all, all exits from the Caspian Sea through the Volga, of course, not a single Amer ship will be passed through it, so it turns out that the port is needed not for cargo, but to settle in the sea !

[Trailer]

Port do not provide. Provide more space at the port for loading and unloading. You better comment on the agreement under which trains with cargo for NATO in Afghanistan are driven across Russia with the 2009 in Russia?

[evgenm55]

Yes, he knows ... My boyfriend is working, from northern Kazakhstan. His mother and father are not saying anything good there. Or, like, always - until they bite them in the ass ...?

[nnnnnn]

Quote: domokl

Well done, well done. Only, along with handing over the port to the Americans, we get another real Caspian player ... And the more players, the more interesting and dangerous the game ... It’s not possible to calculate all

No one is passing the port to the Americans, for information, this port has long been operating in such a mode as Ulyanovsk, like the port of Novorossiysk ... that is, as a transit hub

[Trailer]

Quote: domokl

Well done, well done. Only coupled with the transfer of the port to the Americans

No one will hand over any port to anyone, while Kazakhstan is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization and the customs union!

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Vladimirets

Well done Kazakhs, at least they build something themselves, without political howls.

Well done Kazakhs? :))) Written by the same fellow Ural plant "Zenith"

[smsk]

this plant is located in Uralsk, KZ and not in the Urals

[Geisenberg]

then everything is true :) well done ...

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Geisenberg

well done The Urals plant "Zenith"

So, help:
"The question of the origin of the word" Ural "has not been fully resolved. According to most historians and linguists, the word "Ural" is of Turkic origin and is associated with the Turkic languages ​​- Bashkir, Tatar, Kazakh.
"Ural-Batyr" - Bashkir folk epos

[воронов]

Quote: Vladimirets

Well done Kazakhs,

They are "hereditary" sailors

[Lord of the Sith]

Oral - Kazakh name of Uralsk

Rank 2 ship project 0300 Bars
Main characteristics
Displacement 230 t
Length 42,3 m
Width 8,07 m
Draft 2,5 m
Engines 2xTBD620V16 "Deutz", 1 emergency diesel generator with a capacity of 10 kW
Power 2 × 2240 kW
Travel speed 28 nodes
Range of navigation 1200 miles
Autonomy of swimming 6 points, 10 days
Armament:
MLRS
Art installation - 2M-3M and ZU-23-2
Crew 23

[tlauicol]

the name would be changed, they will laugh

[Civil]

The name is great! No need to change, will there still be names in the series? Type: "BDSM", "Hardcore", "Lesbian"

[BARKAS]

Yes, Americans can’t drag the ears of Kazakhstan now

[evgenm55]

... and the phone number ...

[Gecko]

After ORAL there will be ANAL :)

[воронов]

Quote: Civil

No need to change

That's right, when the amers come the names themselves will change

[Apollo]

and video about this ship

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

Feel free to serve in the armed forces of such states .... there is a subordinate 2-3 katerka-bam and already Commander-in-Chief and Admiral! ..... well, considering that the Caspian Sea is still not a sea, but a lake, I propose to rename the Navy of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan to the Military Aryk Forces ..... Well, "Oral" ...... I take off my hat! !! (Kazakhs do not be offended ... as a joke)

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

Oh, someone minus? ... Well, justify where I told a lie? Or is something wrong?

[evgenm55]

Yes, "plus", "plus" -Kazakhs, what has it to do with? They have enough of their own coves. And about them, about Kazakhs, read A. Bek. Panfilov's people are all from there.

[domokl]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

-bats and already Commander and Admiral

From this point of view, everything is true .. and take a look at the repair boat-kirdyk there is no fleet AT ALL

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

So at this time there will be advanced training at the academy, the development of global plans for the use of the fleet and vacation ................. One thing is bad ..... you can’t go fishing for caviar .. .

[воронов]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

One thing is bad ..... you can’t go fishing for caviar

Well, why? They and the Navy in the Caspian are organizing in order to add to our poachers and bank with black caviar, not only we, but Iranians and Kazakhs can agree on, they are also adequate

[Beck]

Quote: domokl

From this point of view, everything is true .. and take a look at the repair boat-kirdyk there is no fleet AT ALL

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

Feel free to serve in the armed forces of such states .... there are 2-3 submissions-subordinate

Well, and why? Why did laughter attack? Why is there no simple analysis? Soyuznichki you, in personal terms, not Russia.

What is difficult to move the brain. Two years ago, we had no flotilla in the Caspian. There was nothing. Just started. And you all laugh ... chki. At first they bought 6 foreign light katerki, so in the first breeze 3 of them drowned. We went to great expenses and equipped the plant, built the first full-fledged boat, now the second. Sailors, shipbuilders are only gaining experience. Then it will be better. Five years later, maybe we will lower the first corvette to the water. And you all neighing.

When Russia launches its ships into the Caspian Sea, when it masters a new tank platform, when PakFa makes its first flights in Kazakhstan, they don't laugh. Because Russia is the closest and most important geopolitical ally. And all of you with disdain, "soyuznichki" and hippo mother.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Beck

Well, and why? Why did laughter attack? Why is there no simple analysis?

Quote: arseke
Hmm ... You could not write something stupid more, even more sarcastic?

Kazaktar - do not get fooled by provocations Silver (Frigatekapitan) and pirates(domokl, voronov (1), Rolm, Civil etc.).
They don’t know how to hook Kazakhstan anymore .. So they’ll sink to the malicious cat-trolling ..
After all, Kazakhs, unlike Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyz, cannot be threatened, in which case, with the expulsion of migrant workers, the introduction of visas. Do not block money transfers from the Russian Federation. Well, Kazakhs do not work as janitors ..
To block the gas valve, as with Ukraine, will not work either ...
To stop energy supplies, exactly before the elections in Kyrgyzstan, which led to the fall of Bakiev - in the case of Kazakhstan, will not work ..
And, the Kazakhs dare to build ships themselves, to develop their defense industry, working with bourgeois (Israel, France, Turkey, etc.) to cooperate with the Americans in Aktau
build helicopters and aircraft assembly, buy new NATO transport vehicles (С-295) and much more ..
And, in general, they behave inappropriately on their own, without looking into Moscow’s mouth ..
So Silver and his gang have to spit saliva towards Kazakhstan, in impotent rage ..

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

...... Excellent ... hang your own medal ..... just don’t forget that half of your country is almost all Russian regions as well as Crimea thoughtlessly unsubscribed during Soviet times ..... Nobody is trying to hook Kazakhstan .... live as you want ...... But believe in a country like Russia there will always be leverage for Kazakhstan (if necessary) .................... ......... And once again ..... what started ...... YES IT'S FUNNY (turn your head on yourself) when the ADMIRAL Commander in Chief with three boats ........ This is about the same as an astronaut because the sheep next to Baikonur passed ......

[Beck]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

.. just don’t forget that half of your country is almost all Russian regions as well as Crimea thoughtlessly unsubscribed during the USSR

Yes, an illness in you, called imperial, colonial nostalgia. I sympathize because there is no cure for such a disease.

Until 1582 (Ermak) Russian people did not live beyond the Volga. There was no "primordially" Russian land beyond the Volga. And the steppes of Kazakhstan began to enter the Russian Empire in 1748. And the advance to the east of the Volga is a real imperial-colonial seizure. Exactly the same as at the same time, English, French, Portuguese, Spanish colonial conquests. The only difference is that the European empires went to the colonies by sea, Russia on dry land.

And modern Spaniards, British, French, Portuguese have enough common sense not to call Mexico, India, Vietnam, Mozambique - "PRESENTLY" - Spanish lands, English lands, French lands, Portuguese lands.

[Beck]

Quote: Beck

Yes, an illness in you, called imperial, colonial nostalgia. I sympathize because there is no cure for such a disease.

FURTHER.

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

But believe in a country like Russia there will always be leverage for Kazakhstan (if necessary).

How shoud I understand this? It is impossible to forbid something with words, only for your own sake, in the modern world. So you are hinting at the use of force. To know, enlighten. In 1992, in order for Kazakhstan to give up 2 hundred Satan missiles and 2000 nuclear warheads to them, and 400 nuclear cruise missiles, the leading, nuclear powers of the world, Russia, the USA, China, England, France insistently guaranteed Kazakhstan territorial integrity and protection against aggression whoever she came from. Hence, if, nevertheless, China wants to forcefully influence Kazakhstan, then it will automatically oppose itself to the USA, Russia, England, France. The same applies to any of the five and Russia, too.

The admiral of the two boats is certainly ridiculous, but that officials will not invent. Officials in Russia are like that. But it’s not funny when an ally begins the construction of his flotilla, which, in all respects, is directed against a common potential adversary in the Caspian, orthodox Iran. Which, with pomp, recently launched the largest warship in the Caspian, either a corvette, or a large corvette, calling it a frigate.

You’re personally a Frigate, as a Russian, that you don’t want to have an ally in this troubled world. Or do you want that between Russia and Kazakhstan would be such a relationship as between Russia and Ukraine. What will it be joyful for you, that you will light a candle, that you will go to dance with your knees?

One consolation is that there is no way for people like you to go to the ruling elites who make government decisions.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

... Great ... hang your medal ...

And then Biz kazakpyz - biz myktymyz!?!

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

just don’t forget that half of your country is almost Russian regions

You’ve already asked for half of your country in 91 .. also been kidding ..
You better remember whose ulus Moscow belonged to and whose leaders beat the thresholds of the rulers of Ulug Ulys (Z.O.) and from whose hands you got the right to power ..

Quote: Alibekulu

No one is trying to hook Kazakhstan ...

And you what do you do?!

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

Live as you want ...

Already live .. and without other people's snot we get along and get along.

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

But believe in a country like Russia there will always be leverage for Kazakhstan

Don’t scare me - you’re already scared ..
Leverage ?!
We are from Kazakhstan, you can clearly see what leverage you have there ...
Especially in Chechnya - you just flood possible resistance with financial injections .. It is remotely similar to the UN program with Iraq "Oil for Food" ..
In your situation with the Chechen separatists, the situation regarding the Sabbath looks like this:
You pay the militants money so that they don't partisan in the mountains, commit terrorist acts and kidnap people .. that is, you have a kind of agreement with them - "guys, don't hide in caves - we will build you comfortable housing in Grozny. explosions and abductions - we will give you a lot of money anyway, and without any risks and completely free. "
And at whose expense is the banquet ?!

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

in case of need

Oh oh
Why didn’t you apply them to Azerbaijan in the situation with the Russian Daryal radar station (radar) in Gabala ??? !!
And, where are your vaunted levers in the problem of your compatriots in Turkmenistan ?! In general, your Silver lever is short and crooked

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

just don’t forget that half of your country is almost Russian regions

which areas? poorly to name "primordial Russian" lands in Kazakhstan? It was not Russia that ceded its historical lands to us, but the Kazakh lands were transferred from Kazakhstan to the RSFSR in 1925 in order to separate the Tatars from the Kazakhs.

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

But believe in a country like Russia there will always be leverage for Kazakhstan

Besides the grin, this phrase does not cause anything.

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

This is about the same as an astronaut because the sheep next to Baikonur passed ......

Read the biographies of Kazakh cosmonauts Talgat Musabayev and Tokhtar Aubakirov. Compared to them, it's you who "graze sheep". Watch your tongue.

[Dmitry 2246]

It is great that you can make modern warships and God willing you will do for export.
And well done with helicopters.

[VOLCHOXURAL]

according to the plan, up to the 20th year, Russia has 100 ships in construction! Can several of them be built for the Kazakhs?

[Semurg]

For me, the Caspian Sea needs boats for fish protection and environmentalists to catch poachers and monitor the environment. Otherwise, foreign oilmen will steal the whole ecology for their 300% profit and marriages completely sweep all the fish completely blocking the paths of fish passage to spawn by nets. Well, large Navy's are not needed quite strong air forces on the coast, if the Baltic is considered a puddle then the Caspian and even more so.

[Klim]

No need to mislead people fleet Kazakhstan has been building for 15 years already, better say that financing is cheap.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

Five years later, maybe we will lower the first corvette to the water. And you all are neighingb ........... In Russia the brigade OVRA (corvettes or SKRs) commands ... well, from the strength of 3-2 ranks
... That's about that conversation and laughter .... and then the Fleet ADMIRAL for one and a half parachute .......... I am not at all gloating and only happy for the Air Force ........ Good luck to them

[fatty]

and you know, we have fourteen in Ukraine! admirals. This is not a joke, but funny.

[family tree]

Quote: fatty

and you know, we have fourteen in Ukraine! admirals. This is not a joke, but funny.

To eat! And the lope ships?

[воронов]

Quote: perepilka

And the lope ships?

Just one for each. They have in Ukraine, the commanders of ships, boats, barges, even regardless of the type and tonnage the admiral's ceilings

[family tree]

Well tady everything is clear. Sailors go in droplets go, and the title does not follow the materiel hands, and then, the engine broke down, the end was torn

[воронов]

Quote: fatty

, we have fourteen! admirals in Ukraine.

Because Ukraine is a great sea power

[arseke]

Hmm ... You could not write something stupid more, even more sarcastic?
And what do you think we must create a powerful fleet in the Caspian Sea on our own in one moment?
Do I need him?

And by the way, we do not have 2-3 cutters.
Better with your fleet to solve problems than to ulcerate here.

[воронов]

Quote: arseke

we do not have 2-3 katerka

That's right, because in addition to the Caspian Sea, you have two more "agromandic seas" - the Aral and Balkhash. And there you have nuclear or diesel submarines?

[Nursultan]

yes we have mini submarines floating there and so what?

[воронов]

Quote: Nursultan

yes we have mini submarines floating there

What are you !!! ??? When I served in KSAVO both in the Aral Sea region and in Balkhash (Sary-Shagan) I didn’t hear about such people. In Balkhash patrol boats went to Issykkul, though it’s not Kazakhstan, the patrol officers were there, they even tested torpedoes, but there were no submarines, even mini ones. Did you launch them there during independence? Then take off my hat

[Nursultan]

well let me dream a little about a mini submarine

[heavytank]

Russians have more problems than ours. get ready tomorrow you will have a war with your own citizens. as in Syria or with the Chinese

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

But this is trolling and provocation

[воронов]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

Feel free to serve in the armed forces of such states .... there is a subordinate 2-3 katerka-bam and already Commander-in-Chief and Admiral!

They had an internship at the Mongolian Navy on the Chaibolsan aircraft carrier

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

there are 2-3 subordinate katerka-bats and already Commander and Admiral!

Ship catalog of the Navy of the Ministry of Defense and the National Security Committee of Kazakhstan: http://military-kz.ucoz.org/index/katalog_sudov_vms_rk/0-51

Two Kazakhstan shipyards (Zenit and Gidropribor) produce several floating crafts a year. The displacement increases every year, and they started with small boats. Now they got their hands on in the construction of large boats (small ships). Aircraft carriers in the Caspian are not needed, and in order to protect offshore oil facilities and fish resources in the Kazakh sector of the Caspian, these descent ships are enough. By the way, your Russian poachers regularly get kicked in the neck from Kazakhstani sailors. They are not laughing, unlike you. A couple of times, Russian poachers even tried to shoot back from small arms, as a result, the ships opened fire to kill. In one case, a helicopter of the border service of the KNB of the Republic of Kazakhstan ruined a Russian canoe with poachers for firing at border guards.
The Kazakh fleet has several dozen floating crafts. Yes, these are not gigantic ocean-going ships, but large and small boats, but this is already an essential part of the country's Armed Forces, and not "2-3 boats".
Keep in mind that the Kazakhs generally did not build ships until 1991, and now every year several are launched into the water.

[shark]

I’m wondering how, from the point of view of the Kazakhs, our allied obligations, joint membership and TS and the transfer of the port of Alatau to the Americans fit in? We still didn’t have this cattle in the Caspian Sea. Explain to me, I don’t understand. I don’t understand anything other than betrayal is coming

[Nursultan]

in Aktau, not a US military base but transit of goods from Afghanistan and back.
and then explain to me what kind of base in Ulyanovsk?

[domokl]

Quote: Nursultan

in Aktau, not a US military base but transit of goods from Afghanistan and back.

In Ulyanovsk, transit of civilian goods, without infrastructure .. and in Aktau, transit of military cargoes with the creation of a full-fledged base ... that’s the difference

[Nursultan]

Quote: domokl

Aktau transit of military cargo

You yourself answered military cargo transit in Aktau. and expand the port for transit. All their extensions will then remain to Kazakhstan.
P / S: You earn on the transit of civilian cargo, and Kazakhstan decided to earn on the transit of military cargo. Or do you think that Kazakhstan should not earn as the Russian Federation on US cargo. and the better is the Russian Federation of Kazakhstan? if you have not forgotten Kazakhstan Independent Republic!

[shark]

So who is against the fact that Kazakhstan (without any doubt a self-sufficient, sovereign state) would make money on transit. Everything is only for! But then amers why let the Caspian? We now have to urgently rearm. As if there is nowhere else to spend the money.

[Nursultan]

Well, I think all the same there will be only cargo ships and not missile cruisers. and it is unlikely that there could have been a friendly conversation between the rulers. between CSTO members this issue has already been discussed.

[Roll]

Hello Kazakhstan is not an independent state and has a lot of vectorial policies. His task is to milk his neighbors and sponsors. We are for Kazakhstan and not a friend and not an enemy, but like that. The past of the USSR is forgotten. The transfer of the port to amers is normal, if it is beneficial, then it is right. And why betrayal, do the Kazakhs owe us something. Alas, the world has now become such.

[avt]

Quote: Rolm

Hello Kazakhstan is not an independent state and has a lot of vectorial policies.

That is why, for some, many do not want to accept this objective reality given in the year 91, as well as the Kazakh partners, when they are offended by the words that Russia has two allies - the army and the navy Neither did they give us the oath of vassal fidelity, nor did we give them to them, so there is nothing stupid to demand from them. Business, nothing personal. Their port - they want to do something, but at least they’ll eat it with oil us what? Less emotions, there is a customs union and we need to deal with it, solve the issue with air defense, and then we'll see how to move on and where to go.

[Forget]

Soon we will also release the aircraft carrier and we will project force onto the Caspian states ....

[domokl]

And why is there no fleet on the lakes? And an aircraft carrier ... We will also sell you planes ... There along the Caspian are many things that once sailed ... There will be an aircraft carrier

[Alibekulu]

Quote: domocle

Well, well smart guy .. We’ll buy something, but you have something to sell ?? !!
You already, almost all the aircraft carriers sold out ..
Kazakhstan, though left ?? ??

"Kiev" Sold to China in an amusement park.
"Minsk" Sold to China in an amusement park.
"Novorossiysk" Sold to South Korea.
"Admiral Gorshkov" Sold to India. Renamed to "Vikramaditya".
"Varangian" Sold to China. Completed, bears the name "Liaoning".
As part of the Russian Navy, only "Admiral Kuznetsov"

a lot of everything that once floated lies.

At home, see what swam .. and what lies
I hope you with a pirate, very funny?!

[avt]

Quote: Forget

Soon we will also release the aircraft carrier and we will project force onto the Caspian states ....

Or maybe buy a Mistral from us for your admiral? Well, at least one, well, what should you do? Good people remember what you can - buy Mistral.

[evgenm55]

Well, you faked them ... Now your teeth will be erased from anger. But there is a neighbor, dear people. What have you done to us?

[romb]

But what, the idea is cool!
You can use it as a tourist ferry.

[Nursultan]

I would have bought it with pleasure. only these issues I do not solve

[воронов]

Quote: Forget

Soon we will also release the aircraft carrier and we will project force onto the Caspian states ..

And what is the current one? We need 3, to the Caspian Sea, the Aral Sea and Balkhash. And you can still have an aircraft carrier, a couple of cruisers and a submarine to Issykkul, while the Kirghiz have not recovered, and he is already looking Kazakh

[Marek Rozny]

to answer without jokes, the Aral is no longer a common reservoir of Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. Kazakhstan built a dam, divided the Aral into two parts. The Uzbek Aral is steadily dying, the Kazakh Aral, on the contrary, is actively reviving. To cross from the Uzbek part of the Aral Sea to the Kazakh one is in no way possible - there is a dam.
Regarding Balkhash, this is an internal body of water. On the Ili River, which flows from China, the Kazakhs have already deployed combat boats (something larger cannot be launched there).
So your ernism is absolutely stupid.

[VOLCHOXURAL]

Well, there are not many show-offs from aircraft carriers - more precisely, only show-offs from them !!! There amers did not win a single war, but how many show-offs! Aircraft carriers are burying money in the ground !!!

[Tartary]

Quote: Civil

the name would be changed, they will laugh

Quote: Civil

The name is great! No need to change, will there still be names in the series? Type: "BDSM", "Hardcore", "Lesbian"

Sluggish subpassionaries will choose in what way they want to enjoy the mandula ...
The choice from the active ship - screaming, BDSM, hadcore, lesbian, and maybe anal ...
Strange but

PASSIONARY; m and f Book A person with great internal energy; temperamental, active person.
The antipode to passionary is a subpassionary, an individual of an energy-deficient type.

I had to self-educate ... And I liked the word passionary - like passive ...))

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[Tolik. 975]

the karablik is not bad in appearance ... do we have such? on Amur for example?

[Concept1]

What is the project code? who is the developer? what weapons? what TTX? ....

[Nomad]

Quote: shark

Something other than betrayal does not come to my inflamed brain

The brain is apparently somewhat inflamed ...

[Murmansk]

Why judge, row ... We’ll launch our boats and check everyone ...

[Murmansk]

WE are not afraid of the "gray" wolf ...

[shpuntik]

While their admirals can speak Russian, everything will be fine. Because: Pushkin is power. Surname obliges.

[shpuntik]

The fathers of the hermits and wives are innocent,
To fly away in the field
To strengthen it in the midst of valley storms and battles,
They composed many divine prayers;

But not one of them touches me,
Like the one the priest repeats
In the sad days of Lent;
More and more often she comes to me

And strengthens the fallen by an unknown force:
Lord of my days! The spirit of idleness is dull
Ancestor, snakes hidden this,
And do not give idle words to my soul.

But let me see my transgressions, oh God
My brother will not accept judgment from me,
And the spirit of humility, patience, love
And chastity revive in my heart.

A.S. Pushkin, six months before the death.
I will explain my post. When the Kazakh admirals speak English, this will be familiar to Russia. And, the wealth of the Russian language has not been canceled, so learn, speak, do not be shy. This is a big plus for you.

[Alibekulu]

shpuntik:
the wealth of the Russian language has not been canceled, so learn, speak. This is a big plus for you.

Yes, in Kazakhstan, no one actually argues. And we, the majority, perfectly understand the importance and significance of the Russian language. Moreover, it is for the actual Kazakhs ..

Quote: shpuntik

When the Kazakh admirals speak English, this will be familiar to Russia.

Well, the Russians, at least here on the "topwar" website, are making great efforts to make this happen ..
And the more Kazakhs read the comments of their Russian "colleagues", the faster this will happen ..
Something like that And for your adequate comment - special thanks

[rudolff]

The meaning of creating a cargo terminal for transporting military cargo in the Caspian is not entirely clear. To drag them by rail through Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, then do transshipment in the port, and then where? To Azerbaijan? Again transshipment, railway and to the Georgian coast. And there again, all the same procedure. Somehow not very reasonable from the point of view of logistics. There is a railway around the north of the Caspian, you can drive directly to Poti, Batumi or directly to Europe. There are only two answers. Either the amers want to make a full-fledged military base for "intimate conversations" with Iran, or there are some agreements (like the American-Uzbek ones) that some of the equipment and weapons withdrawn from Afghanistan will be left to Azerbaijan and Georgia. In this case, transit through the Caspian is only a specious excuse.

[Semurg]

The boat was built poorly, they decided to make money on transit, it’s bad to co-finance projects on the Baikonur, helicopters do poorly, we buy equipment poorly in Ukraine. One entered the TS well, but prices jumped 30-40% at the time. Everything is done for the good of Kazakhstan and when we drop our standard of living for the sake of the HARDWARE well, then I’m starting to think whether we need an alliance because the Russians will easily stick a knife in the back like they did in the Bialowieza Forest, because these three were supported by the absolute majority of Russians when they brought down the USSR. TS or EVRAZES at some point they are not profitable will throw us again, because they do not hide that they do not need allies, they only have two allies army and navy. Maybe you do not need to drop the standard of living of Kazakhstan people for the sake of unions, people wanted one life It would be good to live now and not in the future, because they promised that this generation would build communism and live in the bright future. so as not to be left with nothing again. Maybe good neighborly relations are better than marriage under the guise of a union that our elite is now imposing on us, otherwise God forbid again in the future a divorce instead of a happy life?

[shark]

In a family, when they want to avoid a divorce, efforts should be made by both parties. If, of course, marriage is at least something dear

[Tu-214R]

After all, the Russians easily stick a knife in the back, as they did in the Bialowieza Forest, because these three were supported by the absolute majority of Russians when they felled the USSR

It is a very controversial statement that the majority. In addition, the "majority" of the so-called Russians considered themselves to be true Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Tajiks, etc., and burned their membership cards and demanded independence (from us Russians) even before the events of 1991. So what else needs to be seen who stuck knives here in the late 90s.

[Tu-214R]

A typo here, not in the late 90s, but in the 80s.

[avt]

Quote: Semurg

Maybe good neighborly relations are better than marriage under the guise of a union that our elite is now imposing on us, otherwise God forbid, in the future, again a divorce instead of a happy life?

Especially when under the Eurasian Law some people mean a confederal version of the union of the time of the Ogaryov gatherings of Gorbachev. Here it’s for sure to Russia that we’ve already passed in the union state. Here, with such a scheme, at least our national republics will want to sign, as sovereign, an agreement, and we have the second series of the parade of sovereignty provided. And do we need it? Here, as I already said, let's see how the vehicle will work, well, and then life will tell you what to do. Well, for now, do military helicopters that are not accepted as military weapons anywhere, boats, that is, rocket artillery ships, well, we We’ll rebuild the free one and everything will be fine. Well, what about the knife in the back with whitewash. So you pour it to someone else. Here that the CIS, that the renewed alliance with Nazarbayev, one hell of a divorce in national apartments. The only difference between white-hair is that the Kremlin did not allow the humpbacked fight to be privatized and remained at least nominal, but with a flag, anthem and cabinet. I got into it myself. And so - also the CIS only with the name of the type of union of sovereigns, etc. Well, not with the CIS chairman re-elected in turn, but with a life-long hunchback. Well, on .... it was necessary and better than the current situation?

[Semurg]

As the proverbial pans are fighting at the lackeys, the forelocks are cracking (for this proverb the minuses have been instructed in the topic about Ukraine) now write yourself the fight against the Kremlin labeled and the forelocks are still cracking. At the expense of the whitewash of the RI, the USSR, the Russian Federation, these are all state formations Russians as a state-forming ethos and if Russians are not interested in preserving their state, why should everyone be blamed for the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR. For Russian states, the worst enemy is not Asians, Americans and Jews, but Russians who destroy their state under the joyful approval of the majority (declaration of Russian sovereignty from the USSR supported the absolute majority)

[avt]

Quote: Semurg

For the Russian states, the worst enemy is not Asians, Americans and Jews, but the Russians themselves who destroy their state under the joyful approval of the majority (the absolute majority supported the declaration of Russian sovereignty from the USSR)

And here I agree. I do not like M. Gorkov, but in "Klim Samghin" he correctly noted - the Russian needs freedom in every possible way and terribly to sin, sin, be frightened and subdued. We will not be scared or not horrified, we will stop and it would be better not to stand on the road, we will demolish everything. Dales calculated everything correctly at 47 m and presented it in a thesis. Only perhaps the Ukrainians are cooler - they are even more stubborn and do everything with a delay.

[harrymur]

as a recommendation, a steering wheel should be mandatory, instead of the exhaust for the stem, and the screws in the nozzles, protection against winding and touching the ground, as well as you can wash out the ground-forwarder yourself and there will be a miracle tank, good luck to the Kazakhs, keep it up,
Yes, and lay out the stretching of the body and the main etc., it’s interesting

[Ruslan_F38]

Some kind of nonsense, Nazarbayev announces the creation of a NATO sea transshipment base on its territory, and we support their defenses, supply warships. We are arming ourselves against the U.S. people and creating a NATO transshipment base in Ulyanovsk. What washed away these actions?

[Nursultan]

I think it is tied with money. They want to make money on the transit of US cargo

[heavytank]

Nazarbayev President. He knows what he's doing. not dumb. from above, everyone wrote as best they could even presented their worthless existence. about our fleet, this is only the beginning. and we will have a fleet for the Caspian Sea and this is enough for a patrol. a large fleet is a big expense. it is better to keep anti-ship missiles. But Kazakhstan and Russia are two pages of a coin. Kazakhstan covers the central part of the Russian Federation. if there is no order there, the Russian Federation will have to keep a large army there, more than it is now, the territory is not small.

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

we support their defenses, supply warships

this ship is of Kazakhstan production, not Russian.

Quote: Ruslan_F38

Nazarbayev announces the creation of a NATO transhipment base

IMHO, transportation will be carried out by sea - to Baku, and from there by railway transport to Turkey (probably through Georgia) and then to the seas (by analogy with the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan corridor).
Seaport Aktau is a convenient logistics hub, which is now rapidly developing.
In a word, the transshipment base in Aktau is absolutely no different from a similar base in Ulyanovsk. Amer leave Afghanistan. It is now difficult for them through Pakistan, there is only one option left - through the CIS. Hai drove from Afghanistan. It is better to deal with the Taliban than with the amers. The Taliban at least have no desire to interfere in the domestic politics of Kazakhstan or Russia. Yes, and it got enough that amers cover the drug business in the region.

[avt]

Quote: Nursultan

I think it is tied with money. They want to make money on the transit of US cargo

If there are no new visits to Russia regarding the "opening" of the Volga-Don canal, then yes, if they do use the channel, expect trouble.

[Kazbek]

They entered the TS and gasoline has risen in price and it will go up in price, you see, we should equalize the prices, let them equal our prices. We should put our interests higher, anyway tomorrow they won’t say thanks. We want to do what we want, and we must ask them for permission.

[Alibekulu]

Who is NATO for?
Igor HEN
Sultan AKIMBEKOV, political scientist:
Talk about the American military base in the port of Aktau - the purest fantasy

Speaking at a conference of foreign ministers of the Istanbul process last Friday in Astana, Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev noted that Astana is ready to “expand the transit potential for NATO cargo through the Caspian port of Aktau” in the context of our country's previous agreements with the North Atlantic Alliance on assistance in normalizing the situation in Afghanistan. This news raised a wave of concern in the neighboring countries of the region, primarily in Russia: the local experts seriously fear that a Pentagon military base will appear in the west of Kazakhstan in the future.

In neighboring Russia, many experts nervously perceived the statement of the head of Kazakhstan, and some frankly panicked: they say, the already fragile construction of Caspian security will collapse if smart Americans quickly build a military base in Aktau, explaining that they need to reduce the threat of drug trafficking, fight religious extremism, smuggling everything and everything ... Russian political analyst Alexander KNYAZEV seriously stated that NATO could be included in Aktau’s scenario of aggression against Iran. Other policies hold a similar point of view.
Meanwhile, the director of the Institute of World Politics and Economics, Sultan Akimbekov, in an interview with our newspaper, urges his colleagues not to make apocalyptic conclusions.

- How does the president's statement agree with the agreement of the Caspian states that there should not be any foreign presence in this region?
- It’s all about the transit of goods. Aktau is exactly the same transit base as, for example, the Russian Ulyanovsk. And there is no reason to believe that the status of this port will change if NATO cargoes are transported through Aktau. The President clearly said about the expansion of his transit potential, that is, this process is not political, but purely technological.
I would draw attention to another statement by the head of our state at the Eurasian Media Forum - the day before the Istanbul Conference. Its essence is that Kazakhstan should maintain its multi-vector policy, adhering to constructive multipolarity.

[Alibekulu]

And some Russian experts constantly see apocalyptic scenarios for the development of the situation around Afghanistan ... Astana’s position and interests of Russia are well understood, Moscow’s concern is shared, but talking about the NATO military presence in Aktau is fundamentally wrong, these are unfounded assumptions. If only because Nursultan Nazarbayev did not say a word about it.
Yes, security in the region is paramount. However, “closing”, isolating Afghanistan from the world community, as it was in the 2001 year, is also wrong. The main idea of ​​the Istanbul process is precisely to launch the peace process in Afghanistan, to stabilize the situation there through economic ties, and the development of transport corridors is one of the keys to the successful implementation of this idea.
Of course, geopolitical contradictions have long existed in the Central Asian region because of the problem of Afghanistan, but for Kazakhstan it is crucial not to take sides in the conflict.

- And yet, if it is theoretically assumed that there will be a NATO base in Aktau ...
- This is pure fantasy! For example, a military base in the Kyrgyz Manas was created when the troops of the international coalition entered the region during the war against the Taliban. Now, NATO is leaving Afghanistan. And if it leaves, then what is the point of keeping a foreign base in Aktau? This is simply illogical - from the point of view that Kazakhstan has good working relations with Iran and Russia, and the appearance of a base in Aktau will be simply unprofitable for us. Kazakhstan will not conflict with its Caspian neighbors.

- And nevertheless: how the possible appearance of structures of NATO in Aktau, albeit only for a while, can change the situation in the Caspian?
- The main problem of the region is the difference in the views of stakeholders on its development. The problem of the problems is still the unresolved legal status of the Caspian, disagreements over the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline. The West is in favor of building it, Russia is against it, and Kazakhstan’s position is extremely detached. Astana has signed an agreement with Moscow on the division of the Caspian Sea and now does not interfere in the situation with the gas pipeline.
Another thing is the military-political aspect. The situation around Iran is seriously heating up, the countries of the region are increasing their naval power: Russia has two missile-carrying warships, Iran launched a new ship, Turkmenistan bought two boats from Russia of a similar class from Russia. In fact, we are witnessing the most genuine arms race in the Caspian. And this is quite understandable: the Caspian states have their own economic interests, and on the other hand, this region is the traditional sphere of interests of the major players.
In general, everything in the Caspian is very difficult. But I do not think that in the near future the situation will radically change. After all, a military conflict in this region is not beneficial to anyone.

http://www.time.kz/articles/moment/2013/05/01/komu-ono-nato

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Alibekulu

The main idea of ​​the Istanbul process is precisely to start the peace process in Afghanistan, stabilize the situation there through economic relations, and the development of transport corridors is one of the keys to the successful implementation of this idea.

At this stage, the Russian Federation has large quantities of heroin from Afghanistan, because. the fight against opium poppy does not give the desired result (the expeditionary forces do not carry out the treatment of plantations with special herbicides and napalm bombings) Could it be that with the withdrawal of the Western coalition troops, the CSTO countries will also receive "export" of terrorism?