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Residents of Okinawa await the arrival of American convertiplanes with horror

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Residents of Okinawa await the arrival of American convertiplanes with horror



The US authorities will send more 12 advanced Osprey aircraft to Japan. The head of the Pentagon, Chuck Heigl, agreed on this at a meeting with the Minister of Defense of Japan, Itsunori Onodera.

America is increasing its military presence in Japan, and this is causing more and more discontent among the population of Okinawa Prefecture. It is on this island that the main part of US military facilities is located. On Monday, it was decided to transfer to Okinawa another squadron of Osprey convertoplanes, which Japanese residents consider to be unsafe.

"We confirm the deployment of the second squadron of MV-22 in Japan, which will take place this summer and which will increase our military capabilities in the region," ITAR-TASS quoted the head of the American military department.

At the same time, residents of the Japanese island believe that convertible planes are dangerous for the population, because this type of weapon has not yet proved its reliability. The Japanese fear that a new type of American transport workers may fall on residential areas.

Convertible Osprey is an aircraft with turning screws that work as lifting (during takeoff and landing) and pulling (during horizontal flight). Thus, the V-22 Osprey can move in aircraft and helicopter modes. In the first case, it can reach speeds of up to 463 km / h, and in the second, up to 185 km / h. Osprey is equipped with two Rolls-Royce T406 engines. This is the only convertiplane used for military purposes.
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  1. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 2 May 2013 06: 22 New
    35
    America is rearming its unsinkable aircraft carrier, and the aircraft carrier is trying to resent.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 2 May 2013 06: 50 New
      24
      For the rental of a base in Okinawa, I hope I haven’t forgotten, the Americans pay 180 million a year and no additional "taxes". And they hold weapons, whatever they want, even nuclear.

      On the requirements to withdraw the base, the Americans rolled out Japan bill for this - 3 billion. $

      Do not compare with the "conditions" that our brothers created for the Black Sea Fleet.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 2 May 2013 07: 11 New
        +6
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        On the requirements to withdraw the base, the Americans rolled out Japan bill for this - 3 billion. $

        For the free supply of radioactive elements in 1945?
      2. Army1
        Army1 2 May 2013 12: 52 New
        +1
        So they are afraid that the convertiplanes will fall, but I thought laughing
    2. svp67
      svp67 2 May 2013 07: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: vjatsergey
      America is rearming its unsinkable aircraft carrier, and the aircraft carrier is trying to resent.
      Rather, the service staff is outraged ... asks for more money
      1. gladysheff2010
        gladysheff2010 2 May 2013 12: 31 New
        0
        Money is money, but against the backdrop of the friendly visit of the Japanese prime minister to Russia, I, as a citizen of that country, would also doubt the need to strengthen American ubiquity — Russia today is not the same as in the 90s!
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 2 May 2013 19: 20 New
          0
          For Japan, the Russian Federation is an object of politics, not a subject
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 May 2013 19: 33 New
            +2
            So the Japanese are filthy politicians. If you still could not solve the territorial problem with the "object".
    3. Bykov.
      Bykov. 2 May 2013 09: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: vjatsergey
      America is rearming its unsinkable aircraft carrier, and the aircraft carrier is trying to resent.

      Probably, their doubts are gnawing about unsinkability, they are afraid that someone will succeed in this and drown them all the same ...
      1. patline
        patline 2 May 2013 09: 48 New
        +4
        Americans pay 180 million a year and no additional "taxes." And they hold weapons, whatever they want, even nuclear.

        On the requirements to withdraw the base, the Americans rolled out Japan bill for this - 3 billion. $

        That's it, that everything is in dollars. Amer printed (well, or pushed zeros after a unit in the computer ..) dough and paid, but Yapi has no printing press. They would pay in Yen, then the conversation would be different.
    4. Civil
      Civil 2 May 2013 10: 06 New
      +7
      on the Japs, the Americans do not care)
    5. Aryan
      Aryan 2 May 2013 10: 53 New
      +4
      Residents of Okinawa await the arrival of American convertiplanes with horror
      because the Americans taught their convertiplanes to spoil like birds ... wassat
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 2 May 2013 11: 13 New
        +4
        Japan is full of radical nationalists. They are just dreaming of the revival of the Empire and the former samurai spirit. Don’t feed the rice --- let the yell at the base’s gate! So irreconcilable that 3 billion. that the whole Fed will move to them --- do not give up am am am Banzai, you know ..
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 2 May 2013 12: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: Aryan
        because the Americans taught their convertiplanes to spoil like birds ...

        Only birds like these, August 6 and 9, 45, were bad shits in Hiroshima and Nagosaki. Yes, so that to this day they remember them with a kind word.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 2 May 2013 13: 14 New
          +4
          Enola Gay (B-29-45-MO, serial number 44-86292) was part of the 509 special air group, consisting of 15 B-29 bombers modified for the delivery of nuclear weapons, based on Tinian, an island in the Mariana Islands chain. Enola Gay was personally selected by Paul Tibbets, commander of the 509th Special Air Group, on May 9, 1945, at the assembly line of the Glenn L. Martin Company factory in Omaha, Nebraska. Before the bombing of Hiroshima, Enola Gay completed 8 training and 2 combat missions, and 31 July 1945 rehearsed the atomic bomb drop using the model of the bomb "Kid". On August 5, the plane was named Tibbets in honor of his mother, Enola Gay Tibbets. On August 6, the world's first atomic bombing was carried out from an airplane. Subsequently, having changed several locations, the aircraft was transferred to the National Museum of Aviation and Cosmonautics of the United States.
          1. GHG
            GHG 2 May 2013 13: 38 New
            +4
            Once in a museum it means they are proud. If we had such a fact (in history) I would be ashamed of our country. Something would have drawn me to it. laughing
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 2 May 2013 13: 48 New
              +2
              In honor of my mother named .....
            2. ochakow703
              ochakow703 2 May 2013 16: 38 New
              +6
              And the whole world would poke a finger, and except as monsters and murderers he didn’t call, but here, everyone is silent. As if nothing had happened.
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach 2 May 2013 18: 55 New
                +4
                so the whole civilized world is sure that the Japs themselves are to blame ... they forced the poor amers, they didn’t want to ... like: it’s not my fault, he came ... they know how to convince Amers that they are right. if not by the power of the word, then by the Colt.
            3. GHG
              GHG 2 May 2013 19: 52 New
              0
              Minus of your conscience Dear thunderbolt ... tell me and TU-4 is similar, I think you will understand everything laughing
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 2 May 2013 20: 36 New
                +3
                Quote: GES
                Minus your conscience
                Yuri, I didn’t set you. If you want to know my opinion about the bombing: you yourself know what the enemy did during the Second World War. They won. And not a single high-explosive bomb fell on the United States. Not one. Not a single civilian was hijacked in slavery, starved to death or brutally tortured. Not one. The extermination of 2 Japanese cities --- what is there to be proud of? Therefore, our noble rage boiled, and the Yankees showed their predatory beast to the whole world. Here.
    6. Romn
      Romn 2 May 2013 19: 36 New
      0
      Let them get what they wanted, the amers take care of the current about themselves, no one asks people for their opinions.
    7. Joker
      Joker 2 May 2013 23: 49 New
      0
      Sorry, but the article is complete nonsense. The Japanese are only glad that the Americans are sitting with them, they can’t swear with them, because if they leave, the Japanese will begin to butt alone with China, who have long had a tooth on them.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 2 May 2013 23: 58 New
        0
        Do not confuse the whole with the private. The Japanese may be happy, but the residents of Okinawa have their base in the liver. First of all, because of the behavior of the US military.
        They have about the same image there as the natives of the Caucasus in Moscow.
  2. Canep
    Canep 2 May 2013 06: 32 New
    +5
    It seems he is not very safe. In fact, the failure of one engine will make vertical landing impossible, and horizontal (by plane) is not possible in principle, due to the huge diameter of the screw.
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 2 May 2013 07: 51 New
      10
      Quote: Canep
      not possible in principle, due to the huge diameter of the screw.

      Rather, due to a catastrophically inadequate bearing plane of the wing and insufficient ability to compensate for the turning moment.
      1. Canep
        Canep 2 May 2013 10: 50 New
        +1
        If one engine fails, the other must be turned off, then the pilot has a chance to take autorotations, but I don’t know if this machine has such an opportunity, the diameter of the screws will allow it.
        1. bulgurkhan
          bulgurkhan 2 May 2013 14: 05 New
          +5
          The screws with three trapezoidal blades are interconnected by a synchronizing shaft, which passes inside the wing. This shaft also provides the ability to land the aircraft on a single engine.
    2. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 2 May 2013 14: 27 New
      +4
      His screws are connected by a transverse shaft through the wing, so that the output of one engine is not fatal for him.
      1. Canep
        Canep 2 May 2013 14: 51 New
        0
        The power of one engine is most likely not enough for a vertical landing.
        1. bulgurkhan
          bulgurkhan 2 May 2013 19: 29 New
          +1
          For horizontal flight, the power of one engine is sufficient, and when landing, this engine is put into forced mode, which can operate for a short time.
  3. svp67
    svp67 2 May 2013 06: 34 New
    +4
    At the same time, residents of the Japanese island believe that convertible planes are dangerous for the population, because this type of weapon has not yet proved its reliability. The Japanese fear that a new type of American transport workers may fall on residential areas.
    Strange, this machine has long been in service with the Marine Corps, and statistics could have been worked out ...
  4. Wedmak
    Wedmak 2 May 2013 06: 35 New
    +8
    The Japanese are actually under the United States after the 2-th World. And they have only one opportunity - to be indignant.
    1. taseka
      taseka 2 May 2013 07: 51 New
      +3
      Paradox! We actually "made" them in 45, for amers, and they only resent them, but are at war with us !!!
      1. svp67
        svp67 2 May 2013 07: 56 New
        13
        Quote: taseka
        Paradox! We actually "made" them in 45, for amers, and they only resent them, but are at war with us !!!
        Not some "paradoxes", just every business should be brought to its logical conclusion, which we did not. To defeat Japan - they won, but diplomatically this victory was not fixed ...
  5. avant-garde
    avant-garde 2 May 2013 06: 55 New
    +3
    well enough to worry they will democratically fall!
  6. valokordin
    valokordin 2 May 2013 07: 26 New
    +7
    Probably in case of engine failure, due to the synchronized shaft, the Osprey will not fall. The United States has a Chinook and we had a B-12. And the car is interesting.
    1. svp67
      svp67 2 May 2013 07: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: valokordin
      Probably in case of engine failure, due to the synchronized shaft, the Osprey will not fall. The United States has a Chinook and we had a B-12. And the car is interesting.
      Helicopters have a “autorotation” mode, I think that this machine is also capable of this in the “helicopter” mode or will land on the “airplane”
      1. Vasily-71
        Vasily-71 2 May 2013 11: 30 New
        +3
        Not. There is no autorotation at Osprey. Link: http://www.boeing.com/ospreynews/2011/issue_01/final_8jun2010_179638.pdf

        Rather, there is something like this, but no guarantees for stability and security.
  7. Renat
    Renat 2 May 2013 07: 45 New
    +5
    But after Pearl Harbor in the states of all the Japanese gathered in concentration camps. I wonder if modern residents of Japan know about this? Including about vigorous bombs. Is all this delicately silent? The Yankees have not forgotten Pearl Harbor.
    1. treskoed
      treskoed 2 May 2013 08: 04 New
      +5
      They probably know. And farsightedly believe: Okinawa is better than Hiroshima ... There is no alternative!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 2 May 2013 10: 20 New
        +9
        Quote: treskoed
        There is no alternative!

        They see an alternative in chopping the Kuril Islands for themselves. And amers actively push them in this direction.
        1. Renat
          Renat 2 May 2013 10: 51 New
          +5
          Although the amers do not like samurai, they would be friends with anyone just against Russia.
    2. Vasily-71
      Vasily-71 2 May 2013 11: 19 New
      0
      in the states of all Japanese gathered in concentration camps

      This is not true. This applied only to individuals. There was no total cleaning. There are many photos with different signatures, such as "American Japanese listen to news from the front," and so on.
  8. mogus
    mogus 2 May 2013 07: 46 New
    +4
    interesting ... The Japanese want to sign a peace treaty with us on the Kuril Islands (they will not be able to "bite us" in the future). Announced about the celebration of independence. The United States decided, with an incomprehensible goal, to send convertiplanes to Japan. Riot on the "ship"?
    And if you look at what the states lack:
    Japan - 1. Opportunities to invent
    breakthrough technology
    as much as you like.
    2. The national idea of
    that the Japanese ... etc. etc.,
    powerful and self-sufficient. 3. They do not have enough population
    (to create an independent
    technological zone)
    gold, raw materials, territories and
    sales markets.
    Solving these problems is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. Expect Japan
    bloody war for
    resources and probable
    fascization of social
    device.

    Russia - 1. Population to create
    independent
    technological zone, with
    given the expansion
    Eurasian Union, may
    to be enough. 2. Money if stopped
    liberal
    activities of the Central Bank
    enough.
    3. Gold, at
    an appropriate exploration approach is enough.
    4. Opportunities to invent
    breakthrough technologies, with
    adequate
    patent law
    and VAT cancellations are available. 5. Sales markets, provided
    policy introduction
    import substitution,
    enough. Not enough for Russia
    NATIONAL IDEA and how
    reasonable consequence
    government structure.
    Solve this problem
    Russians .... ON THIS QUESTION LET
    EVERYONE WILL RESPOND TO YOURSELF!
    1. gladysheff2010
      gladysheff2010 2 May 2013 12: 46 New
      +1
      In principle, the national idea is what we have, what the Japanese have: independence and progress, but historically we think differently.
  9. uzer 13
    uzer 13 2 May 2013 08: 05 New
    -6
    A tiltrotor is created, and this is an event in the history of aviation.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 2 May 2013 09: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: uzer 13
      and this is an event in the history of aviation.

      an event is when the whole world knows about it! For example, I learned about their convertiplanes from the TRANSFORMERS film, and I thought it was computer graphics, they say there are no such aircraft.
      the event is when Yuri Gagarin flew into space and the BURAN automatically without pilots (there was nobody in the cockpit) flew into space and landed back.
      1. ded
        ded 2 May 2013 11: 54 New
        +6
        the event is when Yuri Gagarin flew into space


        You’ll be surprised, but a good half (if not 90 percent) of Americans do not know who Y. Gagarin is and believe that the United States was the first in space (5 years ago I found a video on the Internet where ordinary Americans were caught on the street and asked "who is Yuri Gagarin and what did he do? "). So Y. Gagarin is a hero only for Us and for those who understand this topic, but for the rest of the Western "cattle" he is not known.
    2. uzer 13
      uzer 13 2 May 2013 15: 33 New
      -7
      The United States is ahead of Russia in space and aviation technologies and scientific developments. You can not acknowledge this fact and express your displeasure for as long as you like, but things won’t do better than that.
      1. Vasily-71
        Vasily-71 2 May 2013 15: 44 New
        -6
        That's right, you're right. This is objective.
        1. patrianostra
          patrianostra 2 May 2013 23: 24 New
          0
          you are again beautiful wassat
      2. Rebus
        Rebus 2 May 2013 16: 55 New
        +7
        Quote: uzer 13
        The USA is ahead of Russia in space and aviation technologies and scientific developments.

        Regarding space, you blurted out without thinking. They fly on the ISS in our "Unions", their launch vehicles fly on our engines ...
        NASA signed an addition to the contract with Roscosmos in the amount of $ 424 million, which provides for the delivery and return of crews to the ISS, as well as emergency evacuation from orbit until June 2017.

        “Now we are working on the issue of supplying the next 29 engines from 2014 to 2017, respectively, the load for the enterprise will be four to five engines per year,” Solntsev said, Interfax reports.
        He recalled that an option had been previously signed for the supply of 101 RD-180 engines for American Atlas missiles until 2020.

        “38 engines have successfully launched Atlas-5 out of 59 delivered. Now work is underway to sign contractual obligations for 2014-2017, ”said the executive director of the enterprise.

        Where is their primacy in space technology?
        1. uzer 13
          uzer 13 2 May 2013 18: 18 New
          -3
          Didn’t you hear anything about Voyager? And there’s nothing to write about bullshit about engines. Russia has only 2-3% of revenue from exploiting the entire outer space. That is, for transportation. The remaining money goes to the owners of telecommunication systems.
          1. Rebus
            Rebus 2 May 2013 18: 45 New
            +6
            Quote: uzer 13
            Russia from the development of all outer space has only 2-3% of the income. That is, for the export.

            Without a “wagon,” there will be no telecommunications satellites.

            Quote: uzer 13
            Have you heard anything about Voyager?

            Voyagers are garbage, in comparison with devices of the Venus series.
            On the surface of Venus, only our devices worked, and this pressure was 90 atmospheres and a temperature of 450 ° - 500 ° C, color panoramas of the landing site were obtained, and soil samples were taken inside the descent device using a soil sampling device and its chemical analysis was carried out, similar was not done not a single US device ...

        2. cdrt
          cdrt 2 May 2013 19: 25 New
          -4
          Well, then Mars rover walks on Mars, not ours. Yes, and they flew to the moon, and not we
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 May 2013 19: 27 New
            +1
            Different priorities were set.
            Our emphasized the benefit of the national economy, they are purely on prestige.
        3. Know-nothing
          Know-nothing 3 May 2013 00: 21 New
          0
          Maybe the answer lies in http://ria.ru/economy/20110511/373020049.html?
          OJSC NPO Energomash sold Russian RD-180 rocket engines for Atlas-5 American launch vehicles for half the cost of their production costs, according to the Russian Audit Chamber.
          "In this regard, only in the 2008-2009 year, the loss from their sales amounted to about 880 million rubles, or almost 68% of all Energomash losses," the materials said.

          By the way, the rights to it belong to the Americans, at one time they even wanted to start production at home.

          And about Unions, Popovkin spoke as follows:
          Frankly: for Roscosmos this is not a joy, but a great responsibility. Significant manpower and resources, including the design bureau of the Energia Corporation, are spent on the manufacture of serial Unions and their testing. Instead of creating and developing new means of transport and technical support for crews within the framework of a promising manned system, our specialists are forced to accompany the production of serial vehicles.

          http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=18915

          Americans prefer rational decisions, and they fly on Russian technology not because they can’t do their own thing, but because while it’s more profitable for them. This is a fundamental difference from the Russian space industry, which is forced to buy Electronics Industry, because Space does not sell them the State Department, for example.
      3. Drednout
        Drednout 2 May 2013 22: 23 New
        0
        Quote: uzer 13
        The USA is ahead of Russia in space and aviation technologies and scientific developments

        Yes, I can’t judge in technology, but I can’t judge, but the facts for 12 years - the number of commercial launches made by Russia - 15, China - 6, and the USA - 3. Amer can do the technique, it’s a fact, but the price-quality ratio doesn’t of the best.

        ps To be honest, I still like their old cars. There is something in them.
  10. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 09: 03 New
    +5
    Quote: Wedmak
    The Japanese are actually under the United States after the 2-th World. And they have only one opportunity - to be indignant.

    Yes, there are actually no special disturbances.
    Is psychology, mentality and national identity so degrading?
    1. Die-hard
      Die-hard 2 May 2013 10: 16 New
      -11
      Quote: GreatRussia
      how much can psychology, mentality and national identity degrade?

      Well yes. We also have a lot of scoops. Individual individuals are no longer treatable.
  11. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 09: 05 New
    +3
    The Japanese fear that a new type of American transport may fall into residential neighborhoods.


    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 2 May 2013 09: 40 New
      +3
      mmm
      Clear engine malfunction.
      And here is the April “voyage”.
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 2 May 2013 09: 45 New
      +1

      This is the April "voyage", it was discussed:
      http://topwar.ru/27432-na-voennoy-baze-bagram-v-afganistane-razbilsya-transportn
      yy-samolet.html # comment-id-1116196
  12. avant-garde
    avant-garde 2 May 2013 09: 25 New
    +4
    Dear Japanese, it’s worse than the fact that your US ally cannot be anything else !!!!!
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 2 May 2013 09: 41 New
    +3
    Now they will undermine the disco in Tokyo and the Japanese will ask the Americans themselves to build a "fence" of these convertiplanes !!
    Americans are masters of such setups!
  14. Restor
    Restor 2 May 2013 09: 59 New
    +3
    Whoever reckoned with japs ​​- they dropped two atomic bombs on them, occupied an entire island, and their government does not dare to blather.
  15. fedor
    fedor 2 May 2013 10: 07 New
    +8
    ... since 2007, the use of Osprey has demonstrated sufficient safety even in the most adverse flight conditions imaginable. Combat losses were noted only once: in 2010, in Afghanistan, the Air Force-owned CV-22 missed its landing zone, hit a ditch with a wheel and rolled over. As a result, four out of twenty people on board died. “For ten years, Osprey has proven itself to be the safest combat rotary aircraft of all that has been used in active forces,” confirms Richard Whittle, author of Dream Machine - An Unknown History of the Osprey’s infamous CV-22.

    Osprey has already demonstrated its advantages during the fighting. Compared to the Sea Knight helicopter, Osprey not only lifts a much larger load, but is also able to carry it four times as much. In addition, both special forces and marines have already estimated the speed of the convertiplane, which is considered one of the most significant parameters.

    In 2010, a helicopter crashed during a raid in Afghanistan, and dozens of special forces were under mortar and machine-gun fire. Helicopters sent for help were forced to return, stopped by dust storms and high peaks of the Hindu Kush, and only two CV-22s made a rescue mission with a shoulder of 1200 km. To fly over the ridge, they had to climb to a height of 4500 m. As a result, 32 American soldiers were rescued in less than four hours. A year later, the pilot of the F-15 crashed plane in Libya was picked up by the MV-22 tiltrotor plane, taking off from the deck of an amphibious assault ship. Pilots of naval aviation delivered a loser pilot to their base, located 240 km from the scene of the accident, and all this took only 30 minutes.

    U.S. Air Force Major Brian Luce, a pilot from the 8th Special Forces Squadron, flipped in convertiplanes in Afghanistan and saw with his own eyes how, when they got acquainted with this technique, skeptics turned into enthusiasts. “Some people looked at our devices with doubt,” he says, “but then, flying with us, they saw that from point A to point B you can get to Osprey in record time.” According to Luce, the merits of convertiplanes quickly became convinced of the operational command, and among staff officers. “The speed of the CV-22 and its range never ceases to amaze,” he says. “The command understands this and plans its tactics and its operations, relying on our capabilities” ...
    Source: http://www.popmech.ru/article/11227-konvertoplan-osprey-dorog-nenadezhen-vostreb
    ovan /
  16. avant-garde
    avant-garde 2 May 2013 10: 10 New
    +1
    We would go out with pickets to the streets, the slogans would shout "we are Japan free country" and we don’t need to send your things to us, for the sake of democracy. And even odd occupation smells. americos at the end of overgrown.
    1. Vasily-71
      Vasily-71 2 May 2013 11: 16 New
      0
      I do not agree with you. Japan is friendly and grateful for the protection of the United States. The US actively supports their defense industry and provides them with weapons.
  17. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 2 May 2013 11: 02 New
    +7
    Japanese love Americans, but don't like Russians

    A opinion poll showed that the Japanese have friendly feelings for America. 82% of Japanese people surveyed love America and only 16% are negative towards this country. The last time the Japanese had such an ardent love for the United States back in 1978.

    This graph shows how the attitude of the Japanese towards the Russians, Chinese and Americans has changed from 2001 to 2011. The attitude towards the Chinese is so-so, and the Japanese do not like Russians, perhaps because of disputes about the Kuril Islands, and besides, Russia is an incomprehensible country for them.

    It is a pity that the Japanese are unfair to Russia, because we are so good. And the Japanese should have forgotten about the Kuril Islands.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 2 May 2013 11: 25 New
      0
      Quote: AleksUkr
      Japanese love Americans

      I wonder what? If you could listen to or read the answers - why do the Japanese love Americans. Namely, specifically what do the Japanese like Americans. Do they really love them for dropped atomic bombs? laughing
      1. Vasily-71
        Vasily-71 2 May 2013 11: 30 New
        +1
        For the restoration of industry and protection from neighbors. Obviously the same.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 May 2013 12: 14 New
          +4
          That is yes. The Japanese realize that without the support of the Americans they are pure zilch. Both in defense and in the economy. The USA is the largest market for Japanese companies. They account for about 30% of exports.
          1. Vasily-71
            Vasily-71 2 May 2013 12: 26 New
            +3
            Well, actually, the Japanese fleet is quite combat-ready. MBT Type-10 is very good. Yes, and the Air Force level. The neighbors contribute to this.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 2 May 2013 12: 34 New
              0
              Maybe combat-ready. But the Chinese will tear Japan’s self-defense forces with little effort.
              1. wk
                wk 2 May 2013 13: 43 New
                +2
                the Chinese have already tried in 1979 to break off little Vietnam .... got their teeth in the teeth .... not everything is decided by the size of the army.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 2 May 2013 19: 31 New
                  +1
                  Everything flows, everything changes. Ours, too, was seized in 1904-1905. But this did not stop the Japanese from getting tough both before the Great Patriotic War and at its end.
  18. Vasily-71
    Vasily-71 2 May 2013 11: 14 New
    0
    Good morning everyone. Sometimes I look through the topwar. I was always interested - who writes articles here?
    1. Drednout
      Drednout 2 May 2013 22: 28 New
      0
      If I understand the rules correctly, you can even write it yourself. wink
  19. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 2 May 2013 11: 27 New
    +8
    Actually, the Japanese have nothing to resent. They were too atrocious during the war. Only they prefer not to recall this.

    A LITTLE HISTORY:
    - The conditions in German concentration camps were simply resort compared to the Japanese labor camps in Burma and Manjuria. There, the captured British and Chinese worked 24 hours a day until they died of exhaustion, hunger, thirst (usually a person was enough for 3-5 days). They simply were not fed (WHY?). In a tropical climate and unbearable sanitary conditions, people rotted alive. The huge casualties in Europe can be judged by the German archives (they didn’t have time to destroy them), the exact number of victims in Japanese camps is not clear, but given the number of Chinese and English prisoners of war (up to 300 British and several million Chinese) equal.
    - “Detachment 731 ″ unit, which tested live Chinese and up to (10 people) bacteriological weapons (you should read what they did, experiments on women and children, etc.).
    - Nankin slaughter is one of the worst crimes of the 2nd world. Up to 500 Chinese were killed and about 000 raped women and girls (most of whom were later either killed or committed suicide). Compared to the “humane” gas chambers, people were abused here until the last breath. Officers of the imperial army conducted "social competitions" in cutting down the heads of prisoners (everything was filmed by operators and printed in newspapers). Plus, more than 50 prisoners from occupied Singapore and Manila killed in a similar scenario.
    -Even in the most difficult period of 1941, the USSR was forced to hold 2 armies in the Far East to repel possible aggression. This certainly affected the number of victims in our occupied territories.
    -After all the battles in Europe, we had to kick the Japanese out of China in 1945. The Kwantung army was crushed in a month (like shit under a boot).
    Their territorial claims, as the losing side, are simply unlawful (even immoral).
    And they are happy with the Americans. They even like the bases on their territory. Although the Americans spat on their wishes. They do what they want.

    And their current behavior towards Russia.
    There have been many cases in history when, in order to strengthen friendship, Russia donated its lands to other states, as a result of receiving a gift these countries continued to hate Russia. If the question is either land or the love of the Japanese, then we do not need the love of the Japanese! The Japanese make themselves worse with their hatred, poisoning their health with this negative feeling.
    1. gladysheff2010
      gladysheff2010 2 May 2013 13: 05 New
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      That's right! The Samurai Code puts victory first and foremost, regardless of the methods of achieving it. Winning for the Japanese is getting new territories and resources. It's simple: whoever is stronger is right. That is why we must be strong, only then we will be respected .
    2. Restor
      Restor 2 May 2013 13: 14 New
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      Khrushchev’s proposals, not relevant for a long time, and all sorts of hints from Yeltsin, continue to nourish the wild imagination of japas.
      Once upon a time it was time to declare Japan clearly and clearly - the Kuril Islands are an integral part of the Russian Federation and will never be given to anyone and will not be transferred! Only after full realization of this fact, relations between the two countries will begin to improve.
  20. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 2 May 2013 11: 56 New
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    Who is interested in the opinion of the natives?
  21. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 2 May 2013 12: 05 New
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    Come on, the Japanese, the United States is your friends, they can still drop a couple of bombs if that)).
  22. ed1968
    ed1968 2 May 2013 12: 49 New
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    somewhere I heard that a convertiplane was also created in the Union, and it’s not bad and long ago, but it wasn’t accepted into service
  23. Vtel
    Vtel 2 May 2013 16: 18 New
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    the inhabitants of the Japanese island believe that convertiplanes are dangerous for the population, because this type of weapon has not yet proved its reliability. The Japanese fear that a new type of American transport may fall into residential neighborhoods.

    Yes, though they will fall what. From their beloved Yankees, they all take atomic bombs and convertiplanes. It seems narrowly worried not that they will fall, but that they all reach North Korea or the Kuril Islands to quench their imperialist ambitions.
    V-22 Osprey Range:
    combat radius - 690 km;
    the radius of action during the landing load is 722 km;
    practical range - 1 km (without refueling);
    The distance from Vladivostok to the Japanese naval bases on the islands of Honshu and Hokkaido is 800 - 900 km.
  24. MG42
    MG42 2 May 2013 16: 52 New
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    The will of the samurai is suppressed, it can be seen even after the atomic bombings in 1945, they still have to endure the bases of those who wiped their cities from the face of the earth, only to shout at the neighbors, uncle Sam if he closes by sending AUG.
    1. biglow
      biglow 2 May 2013 21: 07 New
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      Quote: MG42
      The will of the samurai is suppressed, it can be seen even after the atomic bombings in 1945, they still have to endure the bases of those who wiped their cities from the face of the earth, only to shout at the neighbors, uncle Sam if he closes by sending AUG.

      not the will of the samurai, but the samurai themselves destroyed as a class, therefore the Japanese are silent, because only the descendants of the peasants who are accustomed only to obey and no more
      1. MG42
        MG42 2 May 2013 23: 10 New
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        Quote: biglow
        not the will of the samurai, but the samurai themselves destroyed as a class,

        THX. for amendment +, in my head just << And the samurai flew to the ground - under the pressure of steel and fire >> soldier Samurai in quotes.
  25. studentmati
    studentmati 2 May 2013 23: 04 New
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    In terms of technical solutions, a very beautiful car! In economic terms, a loss-making product that requires large modifications, respectively investments. Amer imposed on the Japanese Osprey, so as not to ruin their production. So to speak, a gentleman's agreement - some support the dollar bubble, others support the yen. Like that...
  26. shpuntik
    shpuntik 2 May 2013 23: 48 New
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    KUNASHIR The southernmost island of the Kuril ridge, one of the most populated. The island has pioneer camps, gold mines, fish factories (half abandoned). It has a Mendeleevo airport. The city of Yuzhno-Kurilsk is the district center of the South Kuril region. Which includes two inhabited islands: Kunashir itself with an area of ​​1.548 square meters. km (length - 123 km, width - from 4 to 30 km) and Shikotan with an area of ​​only 182 square meters. km, as well as a lot of small and very small uninhabited islands: Aivazovsky, Anuchin, Grieg, Dalniy, Ninth Val, Demina, Zeleny, Shards, Polonsky, Reef, Signal, Storozhevoy, Tanfilyev, Yuri.
    These Japanese are strange ... The Americans have tested nuclear bombs on them, and they love them. And we are four islands, in part of the compensation they took, they hate us. Who brought them more harm, we or the Yankees?
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 2 May 2013 23: 50 New
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      The dependence is simple: dollar-yen.
  27. gregor6549
    gregor6549 3 May 2013 05: 29 New
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    "The inhabitants of Okinawa with horror await the arrival of American convertiplanes." Typical agitation from the heyday of stagnation. The inhabitants of Okinawa with horror can only wait for America to decide to withdraw its bases from Okinawa and they. Okinawa residents, most of them will be left without work. And to fall on their heads, in which case, enough gifts and without convertorplanes. But people live today and today's penny in their pocket and a liter of milk for a child are now much closer to them and more important than hypothetical gifts in the future. And all the protests shown from time to time on TV is nothing more than an attempt by all sorts of "peace fighters" to beat out the "extra Americans" an extra penny for ones loved ones. Him, the "fighters" zapadlo just work. It’s much easier to knock people into protesting crowds and make your own piece of bread with butter on it. And there is no difference between the “wrestlers” of Okinawa and the “fighters” of Bolotnaya. This is a profession to fight. No matter what, if only they paid. Otherwise, you have to go to the factory or to the field to work hard. Horror is cleaner than convertiplanes belay
  28. Stalinets
    Stalinets 3 May 2013 06: 12 New
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    Nobody loves the Japanese in that corner of the planet .. Detachment 731, this is the Japanese. You shouldn’t really regret them. They don’t need this. And the convertiplane, a pretty fly, it’s not clear whether it’s reliable ... yes
  29. gregor6549
    gregor6549 3 May 2013 06: 57 New
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    100% reliability does not exist. Including aircraft. And the tiltrotor is also a difficult machine to operate, and here a lot depends on the pilot's skill. But judging by the fact that not only the US but also other countries began to order a tiltrotor, it is more likely with technical reliability there to be more or less at an acceptable level. Yes, and these vehicles were run-in in the difficult climatic and combat conditions of Afghanistan. This is not flying landfills
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 3 May 2013 15: 07 New
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      In Afghanistan, they prefer the Chinook (Sikorsky) and our Mi. Give a link to the video envelope in Afghanistan. Plz. sad
  30. gregor6549
    gregor6549 3 May 2013 15: 22 New
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    No problemo, Sir!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnNmY04Omf8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7xvgimqzt0

    Still, or enough? wink
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 5 May 2013 03: 26 New
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      Looked, thanks. To be honest, to apply them, you need a lot of conditions, many of which, in war, are not permissible luxury. Sikorsky and mi fit better. Somehow, to go as low as possible between the mountains, hover, quickly land people and leave. I saw their flights, and frankly, there is a lot of noise and it takes a lot of time to complete some details. By the way, we are purchasing Mi for use in Afghanistan from Russia. yes
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 5 May 2013 11: 44 New
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        Well, we are not discussing this, but the “horror” of the inhabitants of Okinawa region in front of these tiltrotopes on the occasion of the “unreliability” of the latter. Well this is necessary, as these residents are savvy regarding the Osprey reliability
        1. Stalinets
          Stalinets 7 May 2013 03: 11 New
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          I repent! Yes! The Japanese are very advanced ... I'm in the heat of battle, I missed this aspect! To blame! soldier