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Is a US naval base being built in the Caspian?Kazakhstan is ready to provide NATO with the port "Aktau" in the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back. This was stated by President Nursultan Nazarbayev in Almaty at the end of last week at a conference of foreign ministers of the Istanbul process on Afghanistan. If Nazarbayev’s proposal is accepted, then experts say that the port of Aktau will automatically become the base of the Pentagon and its allies. In fact, the already fragile architecture of the Caspian security will collapse.


The situation in Afghanistan and Central Asia after the withdrawal of US and NATO troops from this country was discussed at the end of last week at two representative events in Almaty. President Nursultan Nazarbayev promised that disasters in the region after the NATO troops partially leave Afghanistan, will not happen. “I absolutely do not think that the countdown timer has already been turned on, bringing the region closer to a certain hour“ X ”in 2014, when the active phase of the operation of the international coalition forces will end in Afghanistan. I am sure that nothing critical will happen. Although there are willing or frightening in such a scenario, ”said the leader of Kazakhstan at the Eurasian Media Forum.

His statement was probably the result of the negotiations that ended with US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia, Robert Blake, who recently said that the United States will maintain its presence in Central Asia after the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. Apparently, Kazakhstan has been chosen as a new center.

The fact that negotiations were held between Astana and Washington on the possibility of using the Caspian port "Aktau" as a transit point for the transportation of goods, became known after the publication of WikiLeaks. Later this information was indirectly confirmed in an interview with local media by the deputy governor of the Mangystau region Birzhan Kaneshev. He, in particular, stated that the Kazakh authorities, together with representatives of the United States, are considering the transformation of the Caspian port Aktau into a key transshipment point within the framework of the Northern supply network. According to him, the Kazakh authorities intend to turn Aktau into the largest transit hub by expanding the port, increasing the airport’s carrying capacity in terms of freight traffic and building railway lines to Turkmenistan and Iran. “This will enable the US to transport its cargo through the port and the airport, and Kazakhstan will gain experience in organizing multimodal transport operations,” he said in an interview with local media. Experts called the statement of the official “unauthorized”, the very possibility of placing the American military in the port of Aktau unlikely. “If even for a moment it is assumed that the US military will appear in the region, this will accelerate the arms race in the region, especially from Russia and Iran,” Stanislav Pritchin, an expert at the Center for the Study of Central Asia and the Caucasus, told NG.

President Nazarbayev put an end to the protracted discussion. But questions remained. “The Caucasus and Central Asia are two regions of increased conflict potential, separated by the Caspian Sea, which did not allow to unite them within the framework of the well-known Brzezinski“ arc ”, which was recently romanticly called the“ New Silk Road ”. Relations between jihadists in the Russian Caucasus and in Azerbaijan with the West Kazakhstan Islamist radicals existed before, but these connections have not yet been systemic. The stability of the Caspian was intended to contribute to the decision of the heads of state of the "Caspian Five" to prevent any non-Caspian countries from being present in the Caspian water area, "Alexander Knyazev, an expert on Central Asia, told NG. According to him, the participation of the American military in the creation of the Navy of Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan until now, Russia and Iran closed their eyes, although they rapidly increased their naval presence in the region. And if the transformation of Azerbaijan into an Israeli-American military base was more disturbing to Tehran, then Moscow forgave its "strategic partner", Kazakhstan, training by American instructors of Kazakhstani naval personnel. “In the case of the realization of the declared Nazarbayev, the cherished dream of the Anglo-Saxon military establishment immediately comes true. The selected “linear” strategy opens up the possibility of several traffic at once - weapons, militants, drugs, according to the Aktau – Baku vector, the transfer of all and every threat from the Caucasus to the problematic Mangystau region begins.

Naturally, the actual port "Aktau" automatically becomes the base of the Pentagon and its allies, no matter what "transit" node or center it is called. In fact, the already fragile architecture of the Caspian security is collapsing, ”the expert believes. In the near future, according to Knyazev, the Western military who settled on the Kazakh coast of the Caspian Sea and have long been established in Azerbaijani will take on the “security” of the Trans-Caspian hydrocarbon pipelines. “Naturally, the US military base in Aktau will also be included in the scenarios of aggression against Iran, when and if time will mature for such. The functioning of the North-South transport corridor for the real economy of the Caspian countries can certainly be forgotten, ”the expert noted.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 2 May 2013 06: 27 New
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    Kazakhstan is ready to provide NATO with the Aktau port on the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back.
    I wonder how Iran will react to this news? And how is the opinion of Russia taken into account? And whose ships will be used?
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 2 May 2013 06: 39 New
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      I hope Nazarbayev understands what he is doing. Because in the event of a minimal error, not only him and the Kazakh elite now ruling, but also the country will be destroyed. Or he thinks that something is systematically different from the already destroyed countries and peoples.
      1. Russian
        Russian 2 May 2013 10: 49 New
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        That’s the answer why we’ve been strengthening the Caspian flotilla so recently. And about the fact that this is all solely for transportation, bullshit, do the amers create bridgeheads everywhere, if they have come somewhere, they just won’t leave, or does history teach nothing?
        1. RUSSIA 2013
          RUSSIA 2013 2 May 2013 11: 36 New
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          the Caspian flotilla began to be created in 1991. but as for the leader of kazokhstan, I can say that it’s time to replace him. to the collapse of the USSR. his son steers in oil and gas, and indeed it’s not yours not ours, an example regards the republics of South Aasset and Abkhazia.
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 2 May 2013 11: 54 New
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            Yes bully RUSSIA 2013
            You know, in my childhood, the book was, as far as I remember, a little blue ..
            "Alphabet" is called, in another way, "Primer"!?! Very, I advise you .. good
            Quote: RUSSIA 2013
            his son steers in oil-gas

            Yah belay True?!! Damn, but we live in Kazakhstan understand and do not know lol
            We talked about 3 daughters and heard ...
            Tell us at least his name ?! What would we know .. Do you have a photo of Nazarbayev’s son ?! Just a glance to take a look .. yes Well, please .. I will be very grateful hi
          2. romb
            romb 2 May 2013 12: 07 New
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            he was still in the days of Gorbachev, and turn me probably had a hand in the collapse of the USSR

            Bullshit ... He was just the same politician who opposed the collapse of the USSR.
            his son steers in oil-gas

            What kind of son is that?

            Z.Y. To get started, finish school, and then you will write about such complex things as geopolitics.
          3. Deniska999
            Deniska999 2 May 2013 13: 19 New
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            Priborzel Nazarbayev!
          4. Turdaun
            Turdaun 2 May 2013 15: 13 New
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            Dear to start, learn "RUSSIAN LANGUAGE" this is the first, second, Mr. Nazarbayev has only three legitimate children, and all of them are female. And that "son" you are talking about is most likely the husband of one of his daughters, and he really "steers in the oil and gas sector," as you very wisely noted. Third, no one has ever driven representatives of the Russian (any other) ethnic group in Kazakhstan, never. Perhaps there were "somewhere" "special" cases, but this is enough everywhere, fools, as they say everywhere are fools. And finally, the fourth (most important), you turned around the phrase about his (Mr. Nazarbayev) "replacement", I have a question: - Is it in your competence?
        2. romb
          romb 2 May 2013 12: 01 New
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          ... nonsense, amers create bridgeheads for themselves everywhere, if they come somewhere, they just won’t leave ...

          Vitaliy, can you refer to the transshipment point in Ulyanovsk?
          In the Caspian Sea, a NATO naval base is not needed in FIGs. in the event of a military conflict, it will become the primary target for a strike from Iran.
        3. FC SKIF
          FC SKIF 2 May 2013 12: 24 New
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          Excuse me, how will Aktau be fundamentally different from Ulyanovsk? Explain what the Kazakhs will do, which we ourselves do not.
          1. romb
            romb 2 May 2013 12: 33 New
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            Honestly, practically nothing. Ordinary logistics.
            Therefore, an attempt to "make" a kind of US naval base from Aktau port is the same as what is called the Ulyanovsk transshipment point - the military air base of the United States and NATO countries.
            1. Vasily-71
              Vasily-71 2 May 2013 12: 35 New
              +6
              It's just that someone has to head the headings for the articles and choose normal ones rather than write nonsense.
            2. Drednout
              Drednout 2 May 2013 21: 41 New
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              Quote: romb
              Therefore, an attempt to "make" a kind of US naval base from Aktau port is the same as what is called the Ulyanovsk transshipment point - the military air base of the United States and NATO countries.

              good
              Aktau port in the Caspian Sea for transit of goods from Afghanistan and back
              It seems that there were no special problems with geography, but how will the amers use this way ??? request
          2. skrgar
            skrgar 2 May 2013 14: 55 New
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            Quote: FC Skiff
            Excuse me, how will Aktau be fundamentally different from Ulyanovsk? Explain what the Kazakhs will do, which we ourselves do not.

            What is different? But if the “transshipment air strip” (!) Of Ulyanovsk would be leased to amers along with the railway “branch” to Ukraine, Europe .. only then could it be more or less compared with the transfer of PORT (!) Aktau (I was born in Shevchenko), which is uniquely one of the most strategic in the Caspian. Nazarbayev suspended everyone by this decision, which I respected but definitely made a mistake! -And Russia, and Iran, and ... Kazakhstan. Kazakhs! -Answer yourself to yourself .. Nazarbayev 73g. Are you sure who will come after him? Someone from his circle? -And will there be traitors among them “continuing Nazarbayev’s policy?” Are you sure that you will manage, when the “end of the Nazarbayev Way” comes, with Afghanistan .. Kyrgyzstan .. Uzbeks..Turkmen..Tajiks? -Yes, they are already sleeping and see a “tidbit” -Kazakhstan. And Amers .. don’t even have doubts .. they’ll make their own “contribution” .. And there’ll be a lot more that’s problematic .. Yes, it’s okay! What "great" news before Victory Day ...
            1. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 2 May 2013 18: 33 New
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              Quote: skrgar
              Are you sure that you will manage, when the "end of the Nazarbayev Way" comes, with Afghanistan .. Kyrgyzstan .. Uzbeks .. Turkmens .. Tajiks? Yes they are already sleeping and see a "tidbit" -Kazakhstan.

              Interesting interesting recourse
              Here on the site there was already a comparison of the military potentials of the armies of Central Asia, read ..
              So, Kazakhstan in terms of spending on its army surpasses the military budgets of the other Central Asian armies combined .. This also applies to weapons ..
              The only thing, for example, that Uzbekistan can compete with Kazakhstan is a mobilization resource .. Uzbekistan 30 million people. Mr. 17 million. But, and this, it would seem an undeniable advantage, is offset by the fact that the young (draft age) active Uzbek population is mostly outside it. So in Russia their number reaches almost 2,5 million people. In Kazakhstan, about a million newcomers to work from Uzbekistan. Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan have a similar situation in this area ..

              skrgar I was born in Shevchenko (Aktau)

              Clear, our "former"
              You, former Kazakhstanis, have common symptoms: to poke, hook, insult your former homeland ..
              GY: in the formidable Tochikiston, aviation makes up three L-39 combat training aircraft and two Tu-95 strategic bombers (where did they get them belay)
              Just to pick up
              "tidbit" -Kazakhstan.
            2. Beck
              Beck 2 May 2013 20: 01 New
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              Quote: skrgar
              Answer for yourself .. Nazarbayev 73g. Are you sure WHO will come after him? Someone from his entourage? -And will not there be traitors among them "continuing Nazarbayev’s policy"?


              Someone will be. We will live, we will not die. Rulers come and go, people stay.
            3. de_monSher
              de_monSher 3 May 2013 01: 18 New
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              skrgar

              with Afghanistan..Kyrgyzstan..Uzbeks ..


              Bullshit is not necessary to drive, man. This is when the Uzbeks and Kazakhs quarreled in the geopolitical arena, so to speak? The Uzbeks, at the neighbors, friends and brothers of the Kazakhs, are definitely not "screaming", and are not going to "scream" ...

              Yes, and with Victory Day, coming, and you and everyone ...
            4. Ram chandra
              Ram chandra 3 May 2013 12: 46 New
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              Well .. it’s not quite right to compare farmers and nomads. They need an advantage of 3 to 4 ..
              Well it was a joke. So far, in the "technological" (so to speak) plan we are ahead.
          3. Kaa
            Kaa 2 May 2013 18: 18 New
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            Quote: FC Skiff
            and how will Aktau be fundamentally different from Ulyanovsk? Explain what Kazakhs will do

            Quote: romb
            Honestly, practically nothing. Ordinary logistics.

            Yes, they have been doing this for a long time, while no US Navy base in the Caspian has been observed: "The Kazakh Foreign Ministry spokesman declined to comment on the issue directly related to the Aktau talks. However, the agency provided EurasiaNet.org with a statement saying:" For the period 2009- 2011 years 15430 containers were sent from the USA and Europe via the port of Aktau to Afghanistan most of the goods transported via the MTP (Northern Supply Chain) .http: //mir-miru.org/index.php/sobytiya/787-ssha-i-kazakhstan-rassmatriva
            yut-aktau-kak-alternativu-ulyanovsku-na-qafganskom-marshruteq.html
        4. Thor
          Thor 2 May 2013 14: 27 New
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          The Caspian Sea is not connected to the oceans, which means the United States will not be able to send its warships there
          1. skrgar
            skrgar 2 May 2013 15: 20 New
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            Quote: Thor
            The Caspian Sea is not connected to the oceans, which means the United States will not be able to send its warships there

            That's right. And then a logical question arises .. "Why then do they need a port?" .. and immediately the answer is "Control over the Caspian .. at least" ..
            1. Skiff-2
              Skiff-2 2 May 2013 17: 07 New
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              Quote: skrgar

              That's right. And then a logical question arises .. "Why then do they need a port?" .. and immediately the answer is "Control over the Caspian .. at least" ..

              It is not only control over the Caspian, withdrawing troops and equipment from Afghanistan through this port to Azerbaijan and "HELLO PERSION Native." Naziorbaev became Toli old, or betrayed. Very disturbing news ... very unfriendly.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 2 May 2013 18: 50 New
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                Quote: Skif-2
                It is not only control over the Caspian, withdrawing troops and equipment from Afghanistan through this port to Azerbaijan and "HELLO PERSION Native."

                Cargo and troops go through Azerbaijan already for a long time !!!
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 2 May 2013 18: 49 New
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              Quote: skrgar
              That's right. And then a logical question arises .. "Why then do they need a port?" .. and immediately the answer is "Control over the Caspian .. at least" ..

              And through Ulyanovsk to control Russia?))))))))))))))
            3. de_monSher
              de_monSher 3 May 2013 01: 25 New
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              And how, and how ... will they control the Caspian, human? *)) Do you think they’ll get Neptuns, Orions there ... maybe someone is going to let out a couple of F / A-18th wings there? *) Yes. can even amers in the Caspian wise men deploy a couple of three vessels of the "hydrographic" service? *)))

              Do you know that they don’t need this and nafih ... *) You, the Caspian countries, have already launched everyone you could launch to the Caspian - from the Chinese to the Canadians ... *)) so you don’t even have to spend loot for military preparations - civilian transcorporations for them have ALREADY MADE IT ... *)) So, I don’t understand your “panic”, I swear ... *)))

              Stalin, damn it, all of you, the "Caspian" are not enough ... *))
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      3. Bykov.
        Bykov. 2 May 2013 11: 01 New
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        Quote: Nikolay S.
        ... I hope Nazarbayev understands what he is doing. Because in the case of a minimal error, not only him and the Kazakh elite ruling now will be destroyed, but also the country ...

        Attempts to “flirt” with the West, from the side of the Kazakh bai, will not lead to anything good, they will “throw off their bitch sons” when they need, examples in bulk from Libya to Egypt and other color coups, it will be insulting if to the list, Kazakhstan, bordering with us, will also be added ...
      4. domokl
        domokl 2 May 2013 11: 47 New
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        Quote: Nikolay S.
        I hope Nazarbayev understands what he is doing.
        Kazakhstan has been playing the give-and-give game for a long time with Russia ... We pay for everything, Baikonur’s star, for bases, for air defense ... It seems to me that Nazarbayev perfectly calculated everything. It is clear that the power of his clan is not eternal, it’s clear that they won’t forgive much now ... And the NATO military base in the Caspian will be an excellent argument in negotiations with Russia. The author is right that the appearance of such a base automatically puts a big cross on the stability of the region, but allows it to become more active in the sale of oil and raise the question of laying a pipeline through the Caspian.
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 2 May 2013 14: 14 New
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          Quote: domokl
          allows you to step up sales of oil and even raise the question of laying a pipeline through the Caspian.

          Not everything is clear there. For example, Nazarbayev refused to China to build a railway from China to Iran that was not our breadth. That he could decide. But the Caspian is not yet divided.
          There are many options on which the Americans could breed Kazakhstan, but, in any case, they will deceive and set them up. Although, this is not a poor country like Uzbekistan, to get caught in a similar way.
          It is worth waiting for further clarification, m. these are fully agreed upon actions in the CSTO and at the level of top officials. Still, there are enough of those who, as soon as possible, try to drive a wedge between our countries.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 2 May 2013 18: 51 New
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          Quote: domokl
          A NATO military base in the Caspian will be an excellent argument in negotiations with Russia

          And the military base in Ulyanovsk will be an excellent argument in negotiations with Kazakhstan?))))
        3. Essenger
          Essenger 19 July 2013 15: 03 New
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          Quote: domokl
          We pay for everything, Baikonur sv, for bases, for air defense


          Nifigase what impudence? Do you want to use them for free?
      5. yak69
        yak69 2 May 2013 12: 25 New
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        Quote: Nikolay S.
        I hope Nazarbayev understands what he is doing. Because in the event of a minimal error, not only him and the Kazakh elite now ruling, but also the country will be destroyed.

        I have already written repeatedly in the comments how our "friends" from ex-brothers turn into fierce enemies. The most interesting thing is that in many respects this change takes place under the leadership of the leaders of these republics (especially in the minds of youth). Such as N. Nazarbayev, a friend of the hunchback who took an active part in the collapse of the Union, now continues to grow deeper into the process of the collapse of what remains.
        In the Caspian Sea, another friend of his is - I. Aliyev. They are there together now against Russia. In this situation, our leadership should more actively include the levers of economic and political pressure and as decisively as possible!
        It is necessary to change the leaders of these republics to loyal ones. Why are we shy about this? Living in a world where Europeans and Americans are just waiting for us to stumble, and playing by the rules of honor is simply suicide.
        Russia can not be an empire, or it will be eaten up! We are big and we MUST be strong and tough. I am for the comprehensive expansion in the post-Soviet space (for starters!).
      6. Kasym
        Kasym 2 May 2013 18: 30 New
        +4
        By law: Third-country military bases in the Republic of Kazakhstan cannot be created without the consent of the CSTO countries. At the moment, in the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan there are only Russian aircraft (Baikonir, Sary-Shagan, radar and, in my opinion, the center of space communications). This law was adopted when NATO was preparing to invade Afghanistan - they wanted to organize a base in Alma-Ata (in the end, they got Manas in Kyrgyzstan).
        It can only be a transit point for cargoes, such as Ylyanovsk. hi
      7. Hey
        Hey 2 May 2013 22: 18 New
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        Alas, the name for this is senility. And it is not curable. To be continued.
      8. Dani
        Dani 3 June 2013 12: 52 New
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        WE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING

        AND DO NOT DO
    2. Gemar
      Gemar 2 May 2013 07: 43 New
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      Quote: svp67
      I wonder how Iran will react to this news?

      Interest Ask! good What do you think about this?
      This is what seems to me ...
      One of the first to express this topic is China. The PRC is now striving with "world harmony" - the same desire to bring about a "new world order", only with Asian characteristics, which, most likely, is even worse than American hegemony. And for any actions initiated not by the "great" China itself, a critical assessment will be given. What can I say, China already considers the Arctic Ocean a zone of its interests, and the Caspian even more so! I will not be surprised if in the next negotiations within the framework of the SCO, China will begin to criticize the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan.
      Quote: svp67
      And how is the opinion of Russia taken into account?

      On the one hand, Kazakhstan and the United States are independent countries. They are not required to take into account the opinion of the Russian Federation. On the other hand, Kazakhstan, our SCO and CU ally, is obliged to “consult” with the Russian Federation on this piquant issue. Apparently ours did not consider it necessary to take into account the opinion of Kazakhstan at the NATO base in Ulyanovsk, and so we get the return line. recourse
      1. svp67
        svp67 2 May 2013 07: 45 New
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        Quote: Gamar
        Interest Ask! What do you think about this?

        Yes, at 100% I'm sure they will be DISSATISFIED.
      2. svp67
        svp67 2 May 2013 07: 47 New
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        Quote: Gamar
        On the one hand, Kazakhstan and the United States are independent countries. They are not required to take into account the opinion of the Russian Federation. On the other hand, Kazakhstan, our SCO and CU ally, is obliged to “consult” with the Russian Federation on this piquant issue. Apparently ours did not consider it necessary to take into account the opinion of Kazakhstan at the NATO base in Ulyanovsk, and so we get the return line.
        One thing is a "transit point" within the country and somewhat different in the Caspian basin, there are a lot of restrictions ...
      3. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 2 May 2013 12: 39 New
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        He consults with TONY Blair (he is also an adviser in Kazakhstan) ...
        1. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 2 May 2013 13: 50 New
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          "minus" apparently those who have opened the "ulcer"! Odd I did not understand, did I really tell a lie? What, aren't they an “adviser” anymore?
    3. donchepano
      donchepano 2 May 2013 08: 17 New
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      Quote: svp67

      Kazakhstan is ready to provide NATO with the Aktau port on the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back.


      Hmm, first the NATO base in Ulyanovsk, now in Kazakhstan ... Something the rulers completely lost their scent
    4. Trailer
      Trailer 2 May 2013 09: 38 New
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      As a resident of Aktau, I will say this. And what is this? Through our airspace, NATO aircraft have long been moving their cargo. Unattended NATO forces travel through Russia with cargo. By the way, it seems that through our port more than once we transported cargo for NATO troops in Manas. So this is nothing more than a possible official designation of their presence. And unofficially - NATO is running through Russia and Kazakhstan.

      Well, a note in the topic:


      For the 2012 year, a subsidiary of Russian Railways Transcontainer earned half a billion rubles on NATO cargo transit. About this the newspaper RBC daily writes with reference to the company's financial statements under IFRS.

      Russia and NATO signed an agreement on the transit of goods to Afghanistan in 2009. Prior to this, the unit delivered the necessary goods through Pakistan, but the latter refused to cooperate. The Pakistani authorities resumed supplies for NATO through their territory only in July 2012 of the year. Initially, an agreement on the transit of goods through the territory of Russia implied only land transport.

      At the end of June, a government decree was signed in Russia authorizing the transportation of NATO cargo not only by land but also by combined route. This made it possible to transit the cargo of the alliance through the airport of Ulyanovsk, which, as expected, will also bring money. Representatives of international logistics companies will help in transit, and foreign troops will not participate in the transportation.

      1. Canep
        Canep 2 May 2013 10: 06 New
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        It seems people did not understand, it is not about creating a US or NATO military base on the Caspian coast. The point is that Kazakhstan is not averse to making extra money on the transportation of military goods. Most likely, not a single NATO or US military will appear in Aktau.
      2. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 2 May 2013 12: 42 New
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        In Kazakhstan, they are Blair, in the Russian government - agents of the Central Bank of Russia, guys work well! ...
    5. Civil
      Civil 2 May 2013 10: 09 New
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      Aktau is the port of Shevchenko in the USSR, that’s what
    6. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 2 May 2013 11: 19 New
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      Quote: svp67
      And how is the opinion of Russia taken into account?

      Afghanistan does not adjoin the Caspian, and where to transport goods from Afghanistan to the Caspian? Only through the internal waters of Russia (Volga-Don), therefore, all the agreements have already been made ... An interesting conclusion suggests itself:
      Maybe they exchanged Syria for Iran, otherwise why the NATO base in Aktau? I remember Iran was not happy with the division of the Caspian Sea proposed by Russia ..... And so under the Afghan "noise" they will cover Iran from all sides, and then the whistle will begin ......
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 2 May 2013 12: 10 New
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        Quote: ziqzaq
        Quote: svp67
        And how is the opinion of Russia taken into account?

        Afghanistan does not adjoin the Caspian, and where to transport goods from Afghanistan to the Caspian? Only through the internal waters of Russia (Volga-Don), therefore, all the agreements have already been made ... An interesting conclusion suggests itself:
        Maybe they exchanged Syria for Iran, otherwise why the NATO base in Aktau? I remember Iran was not happy with the division of the Caspian Sea proposed by Russia ..... And so under the Afghan "noise" they will cover Iran from all sides, and then the whistle will begin ......

        To answer Voaros where to transport goods from Afghanistan to the Caspian at school, it was NECESSARY TO TEACH GEOGRAPHY !!!
        I’ll tell you a secret 25 percent of cargo passes through Baku by air. Here they refuel. And how will they deliver goods by land to Aktau, and from there to Baku. Azerbaijan has the largest merchant fleet in the Caspian Sea, and then from Baku by rail. And then there to the Black Sea to Europe or Turkey to the Mediterranean There are many options.
        1. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq 2 May 2013 13: 27 New
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          Quote: Yeraz
          IT WAS TO TEACH GEOGRAPHY !!!

          Apparently he was walking, as if through Azerbaijan and Georgia there was an exit (by rail) to the Black Sea .......
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 2 May 2013 13: 52 New
            +4
            Quote: ziqzaq
            Apparently truant

            In vain they skipped))
            Quote: ziqzaq
            Exactly through Azerbaijan and Georgia there is an exit (by rail) to the Black Sea .......

            So there is a way out to the Mediterranean Sea. Besides, I forgot when the Turks completed the construction of the railway station under the Bosphorus, this is already the 3rd way out.
        2. Andrey KZ
          Andrey KZ 2 May 2013 14: 55 New
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          And if such a route is land-based to Aktau-marine to Astrakhan and the river to Ulyanovsk. Because such a version is also quite viable.
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 2 May 2013 18: 54 New
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          Quote: Yeraz
          Azerbaijan has the largest merchant fleet in the Caspian Sea, and then from Baku by rail. And then there to the Black Sea to Europe or Turkey to the Mediterranean. There are many options

          Totally agree!
          Recently it was said that the possibility of using the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway is being discussed in Washington !!
        4. Drednout
          Drednout 2 May 2013 21: 54 New
          0
          Ali, but cargo is a technique, and is it overloaded in such quantities? With all desire - a little expensive transportation!
          All the same, when the troops were brought in without Ulyanovsk and Aktau, they somehow managed, but with the withdrawal, it was needed! Not without purpose all this.
    7. pravednik
      pravednik 2 May 2013 11: 35 New
      +2
      And why be surprised if Russia itself provides its airfields for transportation
      NATO military cargo through the territory of Russia. Therefore, what a statement could be about Russia.
      1. Beck
        Beck 2 May 2013 12: 12 New
        +9
        Quote: pravednik
        And why be surprised if Russia itself provides its airdromes for transporting NATO military cargo through the territory of Russia. Therefore, what a statement can be about Russia.


        Correctly. Why be surprised. Normal interstate arrangements.

        It was some correspondent who caught up with the wave, as if about a catastrophe with global warming, as soon as the journalistic public relations started.

        Kazakhstan is a member of the CU, the Collective Security Treaty Organization, the SCO, and is building the Eurases with Russia. Russia is the closest geopolitical ally. And what do you think that the leadership of Kazakhstan did not consult with the Kremlin regarding the creation of a transshipment point. Of course consulted. Moscow authorities are silent, it’s only a journalist who is driving a wave.

        And most likely, US cargo delivered through the North Pole to Ulyanovsk and will be transported to Aktau (along the Volga), and from there onwards by rail to Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Afghanistan. But this is an assumption. The exact answer is known in three places on the globe. In Astana, in Moscow and in Washington.

        And there is nothing to go to extremes.
    8. beech
      beech 2 May 2013 12: 28 New
      0
      Russia needs to be cut for this port it needs with the same energy as for Syria !!! And why not place a couple of apl on a cube ??
    9. Thor
      Thor 2 May 2013 14: 23 New
      +1
      So Russian airspace for transit is not enough for them
    10. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 2 May 2013 15: 22 New
      +3
      And they will ship their ships with components. Bow, stern, cannon. But seriously, who will let them into the Caspian. This is our zone.
  2. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 2 May 2013 06: 31 New
    +9
    Well, we were the first to show an example when we let Nato go to Ulyanovsk. Kazakhstan went further.
    1. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 2 May 2013 06: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: vjatsergey
      Well, we were the first to show an example when we let Nato go to Ulyanovsk. Kazakhstan went further.

      To this you will be answered that this event promises great benefits, but they will not say who they will feed on.
    2. Bombowoz
      Bombowoz 2 May 2013 06: 49 New
      +2
      I do not agree that the base in Ulyanovsk poses a military threat while being far from the borders within the country. I do not think that in this situation our people do not monitor the cargo being transported. And the Caspian is another matter ... They didn’t wait for a blow.
      1. DPN
        DPN 2 May 2013 07: 18 New
        +7
        It’s a bad example, it’s always contagious and Russia sets an example, if there weren’t Ulyanovsk there wouldn’t be a base in the Caspian.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 2 May 2013 07: 34 New
          11
          Quote: DPN
          It’s a bad example, it’s always contagious and Russia sets an example, if there weren’t Ulyanovsk there wouldn’t be a base in the Caspian.

          Indeed, a reasonable question arises: why is it possible for us, but not for the Kazakhs?
    3. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 2 May 2013 08: 28 New
      +8
      Quote: vjatsergey
      Well, we were the first to show an example when we let Nato go to Ulyanovsk. Kazakhstan went further.


      ARTISTIC WHISTLE!
      I think so!
      firstly = Ulyanovsk - transshipment "base". those. base but not military. The plane landed overloaded flew cargo further.
      This is - as they say in Odessa = two big differences!

      In Kazakhstan = no one knows HOW IT WILL BE! but - fantasies go wild!
      The second - I really doubt that such a LIS as C, H,
      I did something without "good" from Putin.
      Third = A military base, then a pimple on the body when there is a solid military contingent, when there are means of repelling the blow and means of striking!

      And what threat and to whom from TOGO that is not provided with anything in the sense of defense and attack ??? fool

      Here thrown landing group. She has the ability to move and do some damage.
      And this transshipment base, what damage can it do? if it is destroyed at any time. Will they land on her?
      And who will give them? And you still have to fly to this base!

      It is not that simple!?


      Z.Y. See the root = where is the reprint?
      Provocation!
      1. Ram chandra
        Ram chandra 2 May 2013 09: 08 New
        14
        What the fuck is a military base? Where were the words that it would be a military base ?! And drugs - God forbid - Americans poison everyone without our help.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 2 May 2013 09: 38 New
        +3
        Ulyanovsk can only be "to the gas station", what kind of overload, I sat down, refueled, flew on, the crew went out to piss and that's it !! Not a step further from the plane !!!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 2 May 2013 18: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
          Ulyanovsk can only be "to the gas station", what kind of overload, I sat down, refueled, flew on, the crew went out to piss and that's it !! Not a step further from the plane !!!

          Well yes)))))))))))))
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 2 May 2013 18: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        In Kazakhstan = no one knows HOW IT WILL BE!

        Why do not they know ??
        Kazakhs and amers know for sure !!
        In Russia, whoever needs to be surely also knows, because I don’t think that a member of the CSTO can, without the consent of partners, create a base for another bloc !!
        Rave!!
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 3 May 2013 00: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          I do not think that a member of the CSTO can, without the consent of partners, create a base for another bloc !!
          Rave!!


          I’m talking about this = ******* Kazakhstani authorities, together with US representatives, are considering turning the Caspian port of Aktau into a key transshipment point within the framework of the functioning of the Northern Supply Chain. According to him, the Kazakh authorities intend to turn Aktau into the largest transit hub by expanding the port, increasing the airport's capacity in terms of freight traffic and building railway lines to Turkmenistan and Iran. “This will enable the United States to transport its cargo through the port and airport, and Kazakhstan will gain experience in organizing multimodal transportation,” he said in an interview with local media. Experts called the official’s statement “unauthorized,” the very possibility of deploying US military in the port of Aktau is unlikely. ******

          That's about these "essays." It is too vast and large to fit into one contract. This does not happen.
  3. DPN
    DPN 2 May 2013 06: 50 New
    14
    Russia provided NATO with a transshipment point in Ulyanovsk, setting a bad example of why Kazakhstan cannot provide NATO with a naval base if it is economically profitable. We are reaping the benefits of Russian diplomacy. We (Russia) are being lined up like a bear in a den.

    If amers do something on the territory of the former USSR, it means they’re stronger, so some of our youth already believe that the United States, penal battalions, barrage squads and criminals from the movie Bastards won the Great Patriotic War. haya all Soviet. What kind of love can there be for the Motherland, if that country did not do everything, did so.
  4. waisson
    waisson 2 May 2013 06: 54 New
    +3
    so I wanted to notice about Ulyanovsk the question is how long they are going to use this port for their own purposes and it will not grow from temporary to permanent
  5. DPN
    DPN 2 May 2013 07: 07 New
    +2
    If a former Chekist in the whole country asks whether LENIN is alive, then how do you know the growing youth whether there was a Second World War and who won it, and whether there was a country that the generation of the 90s failed.
    Now Kazakhs do not know the Russian language either, only the Soviet generation speaks Russian. Greens rule the world and Kazakhs also need them, like Russia, hence the US base.
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 2 May 2013 15: 13 New
      +6
      You are mistaken, dear! I live in South Kazakhstan, full of Russian schools, many Kazakh children study in Russian classes. Russian, Kazakh languages ​​are MANDATORY subjects.
      1. Beck
        Beck 2 May 2013 20: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Andrew KZ
        You are mistaken, dear! I live in South Kazakhstan, full of Russian schools, many Kazakh children study in Russian classes. Russian, Kazakh languages ​​are MANDATORY subjects.


        I welcome the fellow countryman. Your answer is valuable precisely because you are a Slav. And then here Uroshniki say such a thing. And they do not believe that the Russian language in Kazakhstan has the widest application.
        1. Andrey KZ
          Andrey KZ 2 May 2013 20: 41 New
          +4
          hi I’m afraid that they’re crazy and they won’t believe me. wink
  6. svp67
    svp67 2 May 2013 07: 13 New
    +3
    Kazakhstan is ready to provide NATO with the Aktau port on the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back.
    Well, they will get this port, and then what? How will transportation be carried back and forth from the metropolis, by rail, by air or by water? That is, some kind of infrastructure will be involved
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 2 May 2013 08: 48 New
      +7
      Traffic through the Caspian. Turkey, Azerbaijan, by sea to Kazakhstan, and then through the "friendly" Central Asian to Afghanistan. But it seems to me that they are encircling Iran and isolating it from Russia through the last direct contact, the Caspian. It is time to build between the friendly Muslim countries the Great Russian Wall with powerful fortified areas, just in case.
  7. valokordin
    valokordin 2 May 2013 07: 41 New
    +3
    Lenin lived, Lenin lives, Lenin will live, just as the dollar lives and will live. This candy wrapper is worshiped and served both in Russia and in Kazakhstan, and chatter about the common interests of Kazakhstan and Russia will remain chatter. One interest is the dollar, and the authorities tied to the dollar cannot be independent. It is time to create a US base on Baikonur and assign a hero of labor to Chubais, Abramovich, Veselberg and the hedgehog with them, Yeltsin and Gaidar posthumously.
  8. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 2 May 2013 07: 47 New
    +5
    Good morning everyone, But many here on Azerbaijan sinned - that we say to the Americans and Israel we present our territory for the bases, it’s not so simple in the “Danish kingdom” ...
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 2 May 2013 09: 03 New
      10
      There will be NO US or Israel bases in Azerbaijan. And all the talk about it is evil. It would be playing with fire. And we are far from suicides.
      1. mansur
        mansur 2 May 2013 11: 14 New
        +1
        Elmira Tariverdieva
        13.04.2010
        The cooperation between Azerbaijan and NATO has a nearly twenty-year long history. Azerbaijan is one of the most active NATO partners in the South Caucasus region and beyond. The country participates in more than 250 NATO events - which is one of the highest rates in the world and the highest in the South Caucasus. More than 50 events are held in Azerbaijan annually as part of cooperation with NATO. Talks about joining the South Caucasian state to the Alliance have been going on more or less intensively all the years, but recently there has been a special intensification of relations between NATO and official Baku.

        The NATO Cooperation Institute and the embassies of NATO member countries accredited in Azerbaijan declared April “NATO Month in Azerbaijan”, and NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen is expected to visit Azerbaijan in the summer.

        At a press conference in early April, NATO coordinator in Azerbaijan, Romania’s ambassador to Baku, Nicolae Ureque, said that Turkey, which has been a NATO member for over 50 years and plays a crucial role in the North Atlantic alliance, can help Azerbaijan’s integration into NATO.

        "Undoubtedly, Baku’s cooperation with NATO will eventually result in Azerbaijan’s full membership in NATO," Ureke said.

        Of course, Azerbaijan is now an exemplary partner for NATO, not only actively cooperating with the organization, but also being a necessary geostrategic link in the Europe-South Caucasus-Central Asia link. Since 1992, the alliance experts have been assisting the Azerbaijani side in military planning and in creating a civil defense system.
        At the same time, Azerbaijan plays an important role in the anti-terrorist operations carried out by coalition forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. The NATO leadership has long been considering the issue of the southern route, which deals with possible transit through Ukraine, the Black Sea, Georgia, Azerbaijan, the Caspian Sea and Turkmenistan to Afghanistan.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 2 May 2013 11: 30 New
          +5
          All this is talk, dear. One thing is diplomacy with a smile on your lips, and the other is BASE. As for the transit of NATO cargo, in connection with the opening of traffic on the railway Baku-Tbilisi-Kars really opens up new opportunities for transporting goods further to Europe, and all countries can take advantage of this opportunity. What is bad here? This has nothing to do with the mythical "bases". Russia, however, allows the use of a point in Ulyanovsk.
  9. Belogor
    Belogor 2 May 2013 07: 50 New
    +4
    Source "NG" does not cause much confidence. I think that the tops of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation will discuss this topic and find a compromise.
  10. Grbear
    Grbear 2 May 2013 08: 22 New
    +3
    "... Aktau port in the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back." does not have transport infrastructure with Afghanistan. In my opinion, there are two points:
    1. Nazarbayev is torn apart by his own elite, which put an end to the country's independence for the money of the Yankees (next is the Afghan elite);
    2. The Taliban will go to Kazakhstan along the path laid by the Yankees, with their jihad, and this is 6467 km of the border with Russia, i.e. "turbidity" from the Caucasus stretches to the east. In addition - 600 km to Ufa and Kazan. Islamists from Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan will be “wood” who will burn with the same money.

    “The border is locked” becomes inevitable, and this is a lot of money, etc., and all this is against Russia, but with the wrong hands.
    1. Earthman
      Earthman 2 May 2013 08: 34 New
      -3
      You yourself are not funny when you read what you wrote?
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 2 May 2013 09: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Earthman
        You yourself are not funny when you read what you wrote?

        Where so funnier recourse You’ll grin right.
        So I see Clintonsha's evil grin:
        "-We will never allow this!"
        (About creating a vehicle)
        It seems no wonder croaked.
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 2 May 2013 11: 17 New
      +3
      Article title
      Is a US naval base being built in the Caspian?

      The article itself says in black and white: - "Aktau port in the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back. " Where request at least a word about the naval base ??? !!!
      In this case, too, in Ulyanovsk, probably - the US naval base ?!
      according to experts

      These experts, do they happen to be sitting on benches at the entrances of houses ?? !!
      Here is another such Expert:
      Quote: GrBear
      "... Aktau port in the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back." does not have transport infrastructure with Afghanistan. In my opinion, there are two points:
      1. Nazarbayev is torn apart by his own elite, which put an end to the country's independence for money yankee (close example is Afghanistan’s elite)
      The Kazakh elite has its own money - dofuya good Why is she American laughing
      2. The Taliban will go to Kazakhstan along the path laid by the Yankees, with their jihad, and this is 6467 km of the border with Russia, i.e. "turbidity" from the Caucasus stretches to the east. In addition - 600 km to Ufa and Kazan. Islamists from Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan will be “wood” who will burn with the same money.
      Nda recourse How to comment on all this nonsense..
      I remind you that the Taliban were already in power in Afghanistan: why didn’t they come, with their jihad?? !! wink
      Further, the Taliban are strong, like all "partisans" - only within the framework of their "feeding landscape" and with the absolute support of the local population ..
      As an example: "Have you heard anything about Belarusian partisans in Poland or Germany ?? !!
      (they could guerrilla, only in the Belarusian swamps and forests. And, nowhere else ..)

      In Kazakhstan they will be immediately caught ..
      About
      On the path .. the Taliban will go to Kazakhstan

      negative Dust swallow dust ..
      So I see a surrealistic picture - the Taliban in turban go along the Kazakhstan steppes, deserts .. I am from the North of Kazakhstan, and it will be especially interesting for me to see them in 40% frost, during snowstorms laughing How to bask: "We are asking for favors"

      “The border is locked” becomes inevitable, and this is a lot of money, etc., and all this is against Russia, but with the wrong hands.

      I, as I understand it ... do you really want this ?? ??
      Yes, please do what you want - your country ..
  11. qroz5
    qroz5 2 May 2013 08: 28 New
    +1
    made sure once again that Russia has no friends
    1. Earthman
      Earthman 2 May 2013 08: 33 New
      -12
      Only the army and navy, which also do not exist
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 08: 42 New
        +6
        Quote: Earthman
        Only the army and navy, which also do not exist

        Tell the NATO, they’ll be surprised.
        1. Earthman
          Earthman 2 May 2013 09: 44 New
          -9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Tell the NATO, they’ll be surprised.

          hello to you, dear patriotic. Well, tell me what is the Russian army and navy? Well tell about it NATO. NATO will ridicule and say how the daughter of the scoops has spoiled everything
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 10: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: Earthman
            Well tell about it NATO. NATO will ridicule and say how the daughter of the scoops has spoiled everything

            Well, dares that okromya laughter more and there is nothing.
            1. mansur
              mansur 2 May 2013 11: 28 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, dares that okromya laughter more and there is nothing.

              We read on the Internet, and we ourselves see how the military equipment of almost all military branches is being modernized, from Aviation to the Navy, officer salaries are rising, officer honor and duty to the Motherland is natural, but you need to feed your family, and mortgages to normal apartments, do not live for officers with families in barracks, but with difficulty, of course, everything is not so smoothly done.
              And laughs the one who laughs last
          2. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 2 May 2013 15: 35 New
            0
            Yes, in Russia - no, Kazakhstan will "save" Russia! ...
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 2 May 2013 15: 43 New
              +2
              Listen, I was in Kazakhstan a week ago, so there is someone to be saved, so people living in villages. I just oh .... ate from what I saw. sheer degradation
              1. Andrey KZ
                Andrey KZ 2 May 2013 20: 59 New
                +5
                Yes, it’s necessary to save the village! Both in Kazakhstan and in Russia. I was in the village of Naryn. Somewhere 150 km from Ulan-Ude. Believe me, I ... eat no less than yours. But nature is reserved. Taiga! I, a steppe resident, was very impressed!
                1. Hleb
                  Hleb 3 May 2013 13: 21 New
                  0
                  I agree, and in Russia, life in the villages is not easy. but there are places where people drink water from the river. It was just so insulting. explanation is "not transportable"
                  (he served in the city of Bolgrad, military unit 57327 separate military battalion.)
                  1. Andrey KZ
                    Andrey KZ 3 May 2013 17: 12 New
                    +1
                    Greetings! At the expense of water, yes, there are problems, but they are being solved. In Kazakhstan, the Pure Water program is running, according to which, in every, even the most remote aul, there must be drinking water in every house, and there are results, my parents live in the village , even 3 years ago, water was given on schedule, now around the clock, the water supply system has been completely changed. The Guard is sorry, he rests in peace.
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 2 May 2013 10: 01 New
        +6
        Quote: Earthman
        Only the army and navy, which also do not exist

        Do not wishful thinking. The rodents and their sidekick NATO have already tried.
      3. serzhserzh86
        serzhserzh86 2 May 2013 12: 27 New
        +1
        and what do we have? what??? our "army" - this word here means the place where conscripts do not want to go, and not the armed forces.
        our "valiant" will not last 15 minutes against China ... and you are still talking about the Russian army.
        1. romb
          romb 2 May 2013 12: 35 New
          +3
          Draftees do not want to join our army?
          Are you definitely from Kazakhstan?
          1. serzhserzh86
            serzhserzh86 3 May 2013 11: 43 New
            -2
            for sure ... almost half (if not more) of the acquaintances did not serve ... and are not going to
            1. romb
              romb 3 May 2013 13: 57 New
              +1
              Thieves?
              Probably sick or partially capable?
              Homemade, pissing boys?
              wink
        2. Garrin
          Garrin 2 May 2013 12: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: serzhserzh86
          our "valiant" will not last 15 minutes against China ... and you are still talking about the Russian army.

          Are you sure that China will not fail underground in 15 minutes?
          1. serzhserzh86
            serzhserzh86 3 May 2013 11: 45 New
            0
            Well, unless in the west, where everything that can be pumped out of the bowels ... especially since the bowels can be said to have already been bought by China.
        3. Hleb
          Hleb 3 May 2013 14: 06 New
          0
          actually in Kazakhstan they also pay money to serve. I know for a contract for sure that they pay to get a military unit
          1. serzhserzh86
            serzhserzh86 14 May 2013 05: 57 New
            0
            there is such a system: if you do not want to serve, pay, you want to serve, pay.
  12. Belogor
    Belogor 2 May 2013 08: 48 New
    +8
    unlikely because Kazakhstan is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, which imposes certain obligations on it. Yes, and there will be friction with Iran. In general, if the United States needs a base in the Caspian, they will easily agree on this with Azerbaijan.
  13. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 2 May 2013 09: 06 New
    +3
    Some crumpled news. It is strange that in Ulyanovsk there is already a transshipment point for the USA. Why then in Kazakhstan is impossible?
  14. srha
    srha 2 May 2013 09: 14 New
    +6
    Kazakhstan is ready to provide NATO with the Aktau port on the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back.
    The source does not seem to be in the know. Aktau port has long been used for NATO cargo. Now we are talking about expanding the port and transit.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 2 May 2013 10: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: srha
      The source does not seem to be in the know.

      Or maybe the source voiced his dreams? Well, well ... it’s not bad to dream, only shish to these dreams! fellow
  15. smsk
    smsk 2 May 2013 09: 20 New
    +4
    It’s sad to read all this. Although I do not believe that without the consent of Putin Nazarbayev gave the green light to this base. I think there are some agreements between Russia and Kazakhstan on this matter, maybe they want to cut down the dough and study NATO logistics.
    1. individual
      individual 2 May 2013 11: 03 New
      -3
      We must not teach NATO logistics, but remember Asian treachery.
    2. avt
      avt 2 May 2013 11: 11 New
      0
      Quote: smsk
      It’s sad to read all this. Although I do not believe that without the consent of Putin Nazarbayev gave the green light to this base. I think there are some agreements between Russia and Kazakhstan on this matter, maybe they want to cut down the dough and study NATO logistics.

      Transshipment of goods makes sense when transporting goods by water, for which they need, the opening of the Volga-Don canal by Russia, amers have long been saying that it needs to be made international with appropriate control.
    3. Gari
      Gari 2 May 2013 12: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: smsk
      It’s sad to read all this. Although I do not believe that without the consent of Putin Nazarbayev gave the green light to this base. I think there are some agreements between Russia and Kazakhstan on this matter, maybe they want to cut down the dough and study NATO logistics.

      For some reason, I also think so, it seems Nazarbayev whom I respect as the most experienced and wise of all the leaders and politicians in the whole CIS would not have agreed so easily, was it not against the collapse of the USSR when those three ghouls in Beloveshskaya the Great Country was destroyed more and more, and even now it seems that it supports all the integration processes in the CIS.
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 2 May 2013 09: 53 New
    +1
    US wants to build another port for transporting drugs from Afghanistan ??
    In Astana, they probably forgot how the allies act with former friends in Libya.
    It just doesn’t end. Entrance is a dollar - and Astana will pay 10 for the exit !!!
    1. individual
      individual 2 May 2013 11: 00 New
      0
      Yes! That's for sure. The prospect of opportunists is such.
      1. Vasily-71
        Vasily-71 2 May 2013 12: 19 New
        +1
        Is Russia also an opportunist? In Ulyanovsk, the same point.
  17. StrateG
    StrateG 2 May 2013 10: 04 New
    +2
    there would be no Ulyanovsk there would be no base in the Caspian.


    I'll give those! It wouldn’t ... I live in Ulyanovsk, and there is no smell of any base there! It was empty as it was, no activity other than the fact that cargo planes like Ruslan began to fly more often in the sky.
  18. romb
    romb 2 May 2013 10: 15 New
    +6
    The article certainly surprised with its dullness. It reminds me of something yellowish, scandalous, from the category of NTVeshensky's "You will not believe."
    Advice to the author - drink iyad!
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 2 May 2013 10: 55 New
      +5
      Quote: romb
      The article certainly surprised with its dullness. It reminds me of something yellowish, scandalous, from the category of NTVeshensky's "You will not believe."
      Advice to the author - drink iyad!

      The Toaars already traveled through the territory of Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan. 25% of NATO cargo through Azerbaijan passes Baku international airport.
      The usual point, I think the transshipment will be in the sense that you will not be transported by aircraft and will be delivered by land to Aktau, and Azerbaijan has the most ships (non-military) in the Caspian and therefore from there to Baku, and then by train to Ved Baku -Tblilisi-Kars will open and the Georgians have already proposed to transport goods on this railway, these are pluses to transit countries because it is money.
      And about the bureaucrats talk, the Kazakhs sold out to the United States, Kazakhstan is not poor, and their bureaucrats are a very rich layer.
  19. individual
    individual 2 May 2013 10: 51 New
    0
    Quote from the news portal:
    Aktau port will automatically become the base of the Pentagon and its allies. In fact, the fragile architecture of Caspian security will collapse.

    The undercover support of Turkey from the leaders of Kazakhstan - “Turkey from Istanbul to Barnaul” meets the interests of NATO in the geopolitical areas of Turkey’s control over the former Central Asia and the Asian part of Russia. At the same time, the issue of countering the aspirations of the Saudis (not simple US allies) to control the establishment of a radical regime in the Islamic countries of the region and the establishment of a buffer zone to counter Chinese influence is being addressed.
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  22. dc120mm
    dc120mm 2 May 2013 11: 29 New
    0
    The American base in the country is a kind of occupation. How Russia admits it is not clear.
  23. Vasily-71
    Vasily-71 2 May 2013 11: 32 New
    +5
    A transit point is not a base; these are different things. In general, in the Caspian, the most modern grouping of the Russian Navy is in any case
    .
  24. Aryan
    Aryan 2 May 2013 11: 35 New
    0
    Wikipedians don’t lie when they say that any American or Native American country does not have access to the Caspian Sea
    like Afghanistan
    so why should they transport bongs by sea if they get to Afghanistan in another way or, more precisely, fall?

    recalls that story about the German railway echelon,
    who came to the Brest railway station on June 21, 1941
    and stood sealed
    then the Red Army even guarded him ...
    and then on the 22nd of it the German soldiers jumped out of it every year ...

    Of course, Kazakhstan is no longer Russia, just like the Brest Fortress ...

    but what is happening now is reminiscent of a children's song:
    "A river begins from a blue brook ..."
  25. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 2 May 2013 11: 47 New
    0
    Quote: sergo0000
    Quote: Earthman
    You yourself are not funny when you read what you wrote?

    Where so funnier recourse You’ll grin right.
    So I see Clintonsha's evil grin:
    "-We will never allow this!"
    (About creating a vehicle)
    It seems no wonder croaked.


    Clinton doesn’t have enough caption under the photo: “There is no democracy yet ?! Then we will go to you !!!”
  26. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 2 May 2013 11: 48 New
    +6
    So, that’s why Turkmenbashi fell off his horse. Kazakhs rode him off with a transshipment point wassat
    1. romb
      romb 2 May 2013 12: 17 New
      +3
      So, that’s why Turkmenbashi fell off his horse. Kazakhs rode him off with a transshipment point

      Such news should be reported after the downloads, and not during the time of their holding.)))
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 2 May 2013 18: 59 New
      +4
      Fell from a horse - a bad omen !!
      It was necessary to immediately sit down again !!
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 2 May 2013 19: 20 New
        0
        Apparently, he made such a joke that he didn’t take it. By the way: An unpleasant incident occurred with Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, reports AP.
        Opening a park in the center of Istanbul, Erdogan decided to ride a horse. However, climbing the noble steed, the prime minister did not maintain his balance and collapsed to the ground.
        In total, Erdogan lasted only a few seconds in the saddle. July 31, 2003 15:06 p.m. ------------------------------ Another annoying embarrassment occurred with George W. Bush during his family Holidays in Kennebunkport, Maine. The Supreme Commander of the US Army did not cope with the scooter.
        Eyewitnesses to the incident say that after playing tennis, Bush decided to try out a new generation scooter Segway. Without releasing a tennis racket from his hands, he tried to dashingly jump onto the "miracle of technology", but could not keep his balance and fell. Failure didn’t confuse George W. Bush. June 13, 2003, 12:38 a.m.
      2. Aryan
        Aryan 2 May 2013 20: 27 New
        0
        and it’s customary to break a leg right after falling from a horse ...
        fallen rider naturally laughing

        and if no one noticed his fall and did not help break his leg
        then he must do it himself angry
      3. Beck
        Beck 2 May 2013 23: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Yarbay
        Fell from the horse, a bad omen !! It was necessary to immediately sit down again !!


        Greetings!

        There is one more reason. Historical. In the Middle Ages, the Mangyshlak peninsula belonged to the Turkmens. Then the warlike tribe of Kazakhs, the Adaevites, drove the Turkmen from the peninsula to the south. The Turkmens have not forgotten this, but there is enough adequacy to not officially protest today.

        Some year or two ago, an international event was held in Aktau. The heads of the republics of Central Asia were invited. Turkmenbashi verbally stated that he did not travel at the invitation of his homeland. And today there is also an American transshipment point in Aktau, so it fell from a horse.
  27. nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 2 May 2013 11: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: RUSSIA 2013
    the Caspian flotilla began to be created in 1991. but as for the leader of kazokhstan, I can say that it’s time to replace him. to the collapse of the USSR. his son steers in oil and gas, and indeed it’s not yours not ours, an example regards the republics of South Aasset and Abkhazia.

    SON at Nazarbayev !? didn't know when he was born?
    1. Andrey KZ
      Andrey KZ 2 May 2013 16: 12 New
      +6
      Yesterday I was born, but today already son steers in oil and gas laughing
  28. nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 2 May 2013 12: 01 New
    -2
    Ulyanovsk and Aktau, links of the same chain, are the same "transshipment points" or "transit", but in fact normal bases.
    1. Vasily-71
      Vasily-71 2 May 2013 12: 18 New
      +6
      And a lot of Apaches and F-15 in Ulyanovsk? Do you seriously see the difference between the base and the transit point?
  29. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 2 May 2013 12: 12 New
    -6
    That Ulyanovsk, that Kazakhstan, that Syria - all these are links of one chain. All these actions are directed against Russia and nothing more. The Kazakhs generally surprised me, I did not expect this from them - they will place the base, Nazarbayev will be the first and exchange!
  30. knn54
    knn54 2 May 2013 12: 19 New
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    NATO cargo will be sent through Georgia to Azerbaijan, then by sea to the Kazakh port of Aktau, and from there through Uzbek territory to Afghanistan. Who can explain to me why such difficulties?
    You can go to Krasnovodsk (Turkmenbashi), because Turkmenistan also borders on Afghanistan. Either Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov turned out to be wiser, or the Yankees just need Kazakhstan. Or maybe the events of December 16, 2011 in the city of Zhanaozen were a warning to Nazarbayev. I would very much like to be mistaken.
  31. KBPC50
    KBPC50 2 May 2013 12: 34 New
    -1
    Blimey!!! First, the Yankees will drive cargo ships, build “convenient berths, and other necessary warehouses for them, and then they will drive maaalenky submarines with a couple of dozen cruise missiles each with atomic charges of 200 kilotons, and there will be a paradise in Kazakhstan. The Kremlin, which is from Sevastopol, which is from the Caspian Sea, + - 10 minutes, and the flight height is about 20 meters. I respect Nazarbayev, but before you do this, you need to measure (SEVEN) 7 times and only then cut it.
    1. Vasily-71
      Vasily-71 2 May 2013 12: 40 New
      +2
      Are you mom’s strategist today? wink
  32. 1goose3
    1goose3 2 May 2013 12: 58 New
    +7
    Is a US naval base being built in the Caspian?

    The fact that Kazakhstan is creating its own naval forces does not surprise me and rotten associations, the normal state approach. The fact that the port of Aktau, by agreement, will be used to evacuate when the American exodus from Afghanistan is not the same event.
    Why is it inflated in the US naval base, this is a question. Out of a fly an elephant is called. So the goal is exactly the opposite of the one that the author designates. The desire to push Russia and Kazakhstan between their heads is obvious, so far, at least at the household level, the allied relations of these countries clearly do not suit anyone.
    The author is not of ours at all, from the series “Not so much wants to reach out a hand, how much to substitute a leg”, but according to this he is my big minus. negative
  33. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 2 May 2013 13: 35 New
    +3
    The storm is in a glass, the article is custom-made, obviously, and the conversation is not worth a damn.
  34. old rocket man
    old rocket man 2 May 2013 13: 47 New
    +5
    It’s necessary not only to the author and his “sources” to follow the “bazaar”, I don’t even want to talk about “experts”, it’s a submarine in the steppes of Ukraine laughing
    What is a naval base? Shchchas, amers will throw their destroyers and krants there by air.
    One sedentary played with terminology and called the transshipment point a naval base, and immediately the logical decision to use the waterway from Kazakhstan to Ulyanovsk caused almost panic, ay-ya-yy, everything disappeared. I also do not like America pathologically, but why hysteria without a reason?
    A huge article and author MINUSsorry I can’t put two. am
  35. Nike
    Nike 2 May 2013 14: 18 New
    +1
    Good afternoon, dear forum participants! I’ve been browsing this site for a long time, and now having read your comments I could not stand it and registered to express my thoughts on this news. Many here write about Amer logistics, but I do not agree with this. What kind of logistics ?! if it will be the nearest base point to Kapustin Yar.k Sary-Shagal and other Russian landfills? this is pure intelligence and reconnaissance. Who does not agree? Your arguments!
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 2 May 2013 14: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: nike
      this is pure intelligence and reconnaissance. Who does not agree? Your arguments!


      Intelligence has been, is and will always be, it is present in all existing structures, both among us and the Americans. But it does not follow from this that everything must be closed, fenced off and no one should be let into this fence, the trouble is, because of the fence you don’t see anything either.
    2. Beck
      Beck 2 May 2013 14: 37 New
      +8
      Quote: nike
      if it will be the nearest base point to Kapustin Yar.k Sary-Shagal and other Russian landfills? this is pure intelligence and reconnaissance. Who does not agree? Your arguments!


      Argumentless nonsense. Then the transshipment point in Ulyanovsk is a resident spy base for the Plesetsk cosmodrome, as it is mainly for military purposes.

      And then, what you will see from the yard of the transshipment point behind forests and sands, albeit with binoculars. The main and most extensive spy information is obtained by spy satellites from space. And figs to bring equipment from the USA and secretly install it behind the toilet of the item - you will not see anything, and there is certainly no such item in the agreements, because they can be kicked out for that. Amers need to carry goods. And they will see what is needed from space.
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 2 May 2013 16: 42 New
        0
        Quote: Beck
        Amers need to carry goods.


        BEK! Hello! A long time ago you could not hear.
        That's what I expected - who thinks the situation will ventilate?
        only - BEK!

        but here’s what we must not miss, in my opinion: what kind of cargo should be transferred for which, as it is written in the article, such infrastructure should be built? What kind of "whole" ones is it worth putting blnds on them? Are there such values ​​in Afghanistan? Where from?
        Well, the hero-general was withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan, well, we remember how it was. Someone built ports for this base?

        In my opinion, this is pure "art whistle."
        What kind of crap should we still toss so that we discuss it in this forum?
        Well, perhaps = communism is built on Mars and Lenin is the messenger of that communism!
        If such an article is reprinted tomorrow, will it really be discussed?

        And so it is unpleasant for NATA our TS that it covers a lot of questions, including violation of the customs space!TOTAL! And this is just such an episode. So without the consent of Putin and Lukash it will not work. And therefore, there is no reason to bazaar here.
        And why drag in the states if you can scatter to the nearest bases?
        1. Beck
          Beck 2 May 2013 19: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          BEK! Hello!


          And to you mine, only good.

          You correctly noticed about the vehicle. And I wrote, but did not disclose it. The single customs space is both airspace and terrestrial distances. Personally, without coordination with the CU members and allies, this does not roll.

          What kind of cargo? So no fools gathered in the vehicle. We discussed everything. Any cargo, but not to the detriment of the Customs Union and EurAsEC. Well, from the American dough, some are stealing. After all, in Kazakhstan and Russia we cannot do without this. But in general, the matter is normal.
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            nickname 1 and 2 3 May 2013 00: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Beck
            So no fools gathered in the vehicle.


            Yes! We only had one - as simple as a glass of seeds.
            Yes, labeled. Boriska, too, was a bit naive.
            And Narsultan is not even. If he signs something, it’s not to the detriment of what he fought for so many years!

            No, there’s clearly a registered crap.
      2. Nike
        Nike 2 May 2013 16: 59 New
        0
        Well, suppose you don’t see much under the skin of rockets in Plesetsk, satellites with 500-700km are also not very, and Aktau is relatively close (no closer) to the route Kap .. Yar-Balkhash. The toilet does not need to put anything, what is needed and where it is necessary, the Kazakhs themselves will take and deliver for money. Well, these are my thoughts, God forbid that I was wrong, but Russia is already so overburdened that different thoughts come and there are few good ones.
    3. avt
      avt 2 May 2013 14: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: nike
      this is pure intelligence and reconnaissance.

      What kind of intelligence and what? They calmly manage with the electronic equipment that is in Manas. But, as I already said, it makes sense in this, as they are now expressed, logistics - to provide a transport corridor from the Black Sea through the Volga-Don to the Caspian. There have already been statements about the "opening" of the channel from the side of Amers. They proposed to make it like an international highway. But then this is not transit, you’ll get rid of this traffic headache and then get rid of them for the benefit of peace and democracy in full .
    4. individual
      individual 2 May 2013 21: 09 New
      0
      And here Cap.Yar. Before him from Astrakhan 350 km with a hook. And to the proposed base in the Caspian, in general, as to another planet.
  36. Concept1
    Concept1 2 May 2013 14: 43 New
    +2
    The article is certainly provocative ...

    But
    The Russian flotilla in the Caspian is impressive!
    Guard ships - 2 (Patrol ship of project 11661, type “Cheetah” with a displacement of 1930 tons)
    Small artillery ships - 4 (Project 21630 small artillery ship, type "Buyan" with a displacement of 560 tons)
    Artillery boats - 5 (Project 1204 artillery boats with a displacement of 77t)
    Missile boats - 5(Missile boats of project 206-MP with a displacement of 270 tons)
    Landing boats - 6
    Minesweepers - 5
  37. RUkola
    RUkola 2 May 2013 15: 10 New
    0
    But how did they go there, without any bases in Ulyanovsk, Aktau, etc.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 2 May 2013 16: 41 New
      0
      Quote: RUkola
      But how did they go there, without any bases in Ulyanovsk, Aktau, etc.


      There, I understand, Afghanistan?
      You can go anywhere, the question is how to get out, as well as the price of this exit. For everything else, it’s not very bad to have emergency exit routes, and in Amers, I’ve strained this.
  38. alihan.kz
    alihan.kz 2 May 2013 16: 05 New
    +2
    it’s in vain that you’re reading Nazabraev in vain and I understand that the Russian attitude towards us is deteriorating in vain (
  39. Vtel
    Vtel 2 May 2013 16: 41 New
    +1
    And if the transformation of Azerbaijan into the Israeli-American military bridgehead was more worrying for Tehran, then Moscow forgave its "strategic partner", Kazakhstan, the training of Kazakh naval personnel by American instructors.

    And this is the bitter truth. Our liberals "themselves" (under the control of the West - this can be seen from the background of corruption in our country to the very head and the latest statements) are playing a game with double standards - the Ulyanovsk base, etc. What to expect from our allies, they also have no strong faith in us, because they see who is the main one and who rules everything in the world, so they are trying to grab at least a piece of something.
  40. Nursultan
    Nursultan 2 May 2013 17: 57 New
    +2
    read all komenty. The question arises: why did they create the Collective Security Treaty Organization, the Customs Union, and integrated air defense? if the people are against the fact that Kazakhstan decided to make money on the transportation of US cargo, just like Russia makes money on it.
    and I will say more. Kazakhstan is an Independent Republic and no one can dictate its opinion and will to it. With any pressure or when trying to impose our will on the Republic of Kazakhstan, it (we) will terminate all agreements by these countries! (Words by Nursultan Nazarbayev)
    P / s: as soon as I find an article with these words I will add
    1. avt
      avt 2 May 2013 18: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Nursultan
      read all komenty. The question arises: why did they create the Collective Security Treaty Organization, the Customs Union, and integrated air defense?

      request Have you already created a single air defense? Yes, and the signing of the TS does not mean that all issues have been resolved, there is still work above the roof, if you seriously deal with it, and not blow lips with unpleasant comments on the Internet, we know for sure from the Union State. In general, I am touched by this approach to the topic - here the leaders of the paper signed and all problems were resolved at the behest and desire, well, people kind of should shine with happiness and hold hands dancing to start request laughing .This is after the restructuring and the dashing 90s!? Breaking does not build, especially when we ourselves do not know what we will actually build.
      1. Nursultan
        Nursultan 2 May 2013 18: 46 New
        0
        Quote: avt
        Have you already created a single air defense?

        if the memory serves me right then yes the papers are signed. the installation of ACS in RTV is in full swing.
        1. avt
          avt 2 May 2013 21: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Nursultan
          if the memory serves me right then yes the papers are signed. the installation of ACS in RTV is in full swing.

          If you solve technical issues - it’s already good. That's when the issue of a single command is still being decided, when they decide who actually makes the decision and gives the command for destruction, then the question can be considered almost resolved. But this is not a simple matter, remember how in the late USSR, Korean Boeing and Rust bother. If political ambitions are not settled on the issue of defense, everything will go down the drain. We already have experience.
          1. Nursultan
            Nursultan 3 May 2013 14: 59 New
            0
            as far as I know, the radars of Kazakhstan and Russia are being combined to obtain information on the air situation
  41. dimon-media
    dimon-media 2 May 2013 18: 31 New
    -1
    I did not quite understand. Like a fish needs a bicycle? Why does the Pentagon need Aktau-Baku when it is possible to drive cargo by transport aircraft? Secondly, where will the Pentagon take bulk carriers, barges, etc., that is, sea transport ?? Especially warships .. The Caspian-Persian Gulf Channel has not yet been dug. Even if a miracle happens and Nazarbayev lets the Pindos go to Aktau, Kazakhstan will have to forget about any partnership and diplomatic relations with Russia.
    PS At the same time, in the Astrakhan region may "unexpectedly" appear Iskander.
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  43. Acid
    Acid 2 May 2013 22: 10 New
    0
    And then what is the point of the CSTO and other organizations if there are literally “transit” bases of a potential adversary ???
    1. marshes
      marshes 2 May 2013 22: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Acid
      And then what is the point of the CSTO and other organizations if there are literally “transit” bases of a potential adversary ???


      "The Collective Security Treaty Organization believes that the provision of the possibility of the transit of forces and cargoes of the International Security Assistance Force through the territory and airspace of the CSTO member states is considered as a contribution to stabilizing the situation in Afghanistan and ensuring security in Central Asia," said the Deputy General CSTO Secretary Gennady Nevyglas at the International Conference "Northern Route to / from Afghanistan (a) - The Road to Stability", dedicated to the problems of organizing cargo transit by the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), which took place in Moscow on December 3 this year in the mansion of the Russian Foreign Ministry in Moscow on Spiridonovka, said CSTO spokesman Vladimir Zainetdinov.
      "We must not allow Afghanistan to once again become a hotbed of international terrorism and remain a global drug laboratory. The fight against terrorism, extremism, and drug trafficking is impossible without creating conditions for increasing the level of socio-economic development, creating developed infrastructure, and improving the quality of life," said Gennady Nevyglas.
      1. marshes
        marshes 2 May 2013 22: 19 New
        +1
        The International Conference "Northern Route to / from Afghanistan (a) - The Road to Stability", organized by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Transport of Russia, was attended by and plenipotentiary representatives of the CSTO member states, more than 50 representatives from NATO headquarters and the countries of the Northern Alliance including the ministries of defense of the USA, Great Britain, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, the Baltic countries, the largest Russian transport companies Russian Railways, Rosavtotrans, Soyuzvneshtrans, Transcontainer, Volga-Dnepr Airlines, which has the largest transport aircraft Ruslan-124-100, as well as major European carriers.
  44. Semurg
    Semurg 2 May 2013 22: 37 New
    0
    I heard about the railway line from Aktau to Iran from Almaty-Khorgos to China, I see the construction of new concrete from China to Russia, I read about the Kars-Tbilisi-Baku railway here. Good: there are more ways to enter the world, more opportunities, and if money is earned on this, it’s good. Well, for now there’s no military component, what’s the base issue? I think the withdrawal will end and the laid routes will be used by business, which is good for my country. If it’s whoever doesn’t like it is their problem (they always think of a knife in the back, probably because they themselves are ready to stick in as they did when they destroyed the USSR, something in those years I didn’t hear from Russian friends that they condemned the Bialowieza troika they all said we’ll get rid of and let us live, one part of the body joyfully got rid of the rest of the body)
    1. lilit.193
      lilit.193 3 May 2013 23: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Semurg
      in those years, I did not hear from Russian friends that they condemned the Bialowieza trio, they all said that we would get rid of all the republics and heal, one part of the body joyfully got rid of the rest of the body)

      You must have heard bad then. Well, or they listened ... Or maybe both together.
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  46. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 3 May 2013 12: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Semurg
    everywhere they see a knife in the back,


    People just want to scratch their tongues!
  47. lilit.193
    lilit.193 3 May 2013 23: 50 New
    +1
    This is no offense to the guys from Kazakhstan, but something muddy stirs up your Nursultan. Money, of course, is a good thing, and you can earn it by code, then you need to earn it. But only the impression is created that he is ready to serve both ours and yours. Only it all ends badly. In Kyrgyzstan, for example, they also first stuck the base, and then another flower revolution happened there. Although in my opinion, this was not a revolution of tulips, but a revolution of looters. And a lot of people died. And this is not hurt. So let Nazarbayev think well what this money can cost him.
  48. Aronych
    Aronych April 23 2018 17: 57 New
    0
    Situevina, of course, is not unambiguous, but if you start from simple (not politicized) logic, then there is nothing special about this. An additional source of income. Someone pays for landfills, someone pays for ports. Money is everything.