Is a US naval base being built in the Caspian?

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Is a US naval base being built in the Caspian?Kazakhstan is ready to provide NATO with the port "Aktau" in the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back. This was stated by President Nursultan Nazarbayev in Almaty at the end of last week at a conference of foreign ministers of the Istanbul process on Afghanistan. If Nazarbayev’s proposal is accepted, then experts say that the port of Aktau will automatically become the base of the Pentagon and its allies. In fact, the already fragile architecture of the Caspian security will collapse.

The situation in Afghanistan and Central Asia after the withdrawal of US and NATO troops from this country was discussed at the end of last week at two representative events in Almaty. President Nursultan Nazarbayev promised that disasters in the region after the NATO troops partially leave Afghanistan, will not happen. “I absolutely do not think that the countdown timer has already been turned on, bringing the region closer to a certain hour“ X ”in 2014, when the active phase of the operation of the international coalition forces will end in Afghanistan. I am sure that nothing critical will happen. Although there are willing or frightening in such a scenario, ”said the leader of Kazakhstan at the Eurasian Media Forum.

His statement was probably the result of the negotiations that ended with US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia, Robert Blake, who recently said that the United States will maintain its presence in Central Asia after the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. Apparently, Kazakhstan has been chosen as a new center.

The fact that negotiations were held between Astana and Washington on the possibility of using the Caspian port "Aktau" as a transit point for the transportation of goods, became known after the publication of WikiLeaks. Later this information was indirectly confirmed in an interview with local media by the deputy governor of the Mangystau region Birzhan Kaneshev. He, in particular, stated that the Kazakh authorities, together with representatives of the United States, are considering the transformation of the Caspian port Aktau into a key transshipment point within the framework of the Northern supply network. According to him, the Kazakh authorities intend to turn Aktau into the largest transit hub by expanding the port, increasing the airport’s carrying capacity in terms of freight traffic and building railway lines to Turkmenistan and Iran. “This will enable the US to transport its cargo through the port and the airport, and Kazakhstan will gain experience in organizing multimodal transport operations,” he said in an interview with local media. Experts called the statement of the official “unauthorized”, the very possibility of placing the American military in the port of Aktau unlikely. “If even for a moment it is assumed that the US military will appear in the region, this will accelerate the arms race in the region, especially from Russia and Iran,” Stanislav Pritchin, an expert at the Center for the Study of Central Asia and the Caucasus, told NG.

President Nazarbayev put an end to the protracted discussion. But questions remained. “The Caucasus and Central Asia are two regions of increased conflict potential, separated by the Caspian Sea, which did not allow to unite them within the framework of the well-known Brzezinski“ arc ”, which was recently romanticly called the“ New Silk Road ”. Relations between jihadists in the Russian Caucasus and in Azerbaijan with the West Kazakhstan Islamist radicals existed before, but these connections have not yet been systemic. The stability of the Caspian was intended to contribute to the decision of the heads of state of the "Caspian Five" to prevent any non-Caspian countries from being present in the Caspian water area, "Alexander Knyazev, an expert on Central Asia, told NG. According to him, the participation of the American military in the creation of the Navy of Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan until now, Russia and Iran closed their eyes, although they rapidly increased their naval presence in the region. And if the transformation of Azerbaijan into an Israeli-American military base was more disturbing to Tehran, then Moscow forgave its "strategic partner", Kazakhstan, training by American instructors of Kazakhstani naval personnel. “In the case of the realization of the declared Nazarbayev, the cherished dream of the Anglo-Saxon military establishment immediately comes true. The selected “linear” strategy opens up the possibility of several traffic at once - weapons, militants, drugs, according to the Aktau – Baku vector, the transfer of all and every threat from the Caucasus to the problematic Mangystau region begins.

Naturally, the actual port "Aktau" automatically becomes the base of the Pentagon and its allies, no matter what "transit" node or center it is called. In fact, the already fragile architecture of the Caspian security is collapsing, ”the expert believes. In the near future, according to Knyazev, the Western military who settled on the Kazakh coast of the Caspian Sea and have long been established in Azerbaijani will take on the “security” of the Trans-Caspian hydrocarbon pipelines. “Naturally, the US military base in Aktau will also be included in the scenarios of aggression against Iran, when and if time will mature for such. The functioning of the North-South transport corridor for the real economy of the Caspian countries can certainly be forgotten, ”the expert noted.
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  1. +20
    2 May 2013 06: 27
    Kazakhstan is ready to provide NATO with the Aktau port on the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back.
    I wonder how Iran will react to this news? And how is the opinion of Russia taken into account? And whose ships will be used?
    1. +27
      2 May 2013 06: 39
      I hope Nazarbayev understands what he is doing. Because in the event of a minimal error, not only him and the Kazakh elite now ruling, but also the country will be destroyed. Or he thinks that something is systematically different from the already destroyed countries and peoples.
      1. +16
        2 May 2013 10: 49
        That’s the answer why we’ve been strengthening the Caspian flotilla so recently. And about the fact that this is all solely for transportation, bullshit, do the amers create bridgeheads everywhere, if they have come somewhere, they just won’t leave, or does history teach nothing?
        1. RUSSIA 2013
          -4
          2 May 2013 11: 36
          the Caspian flotilla began to be created in 1991. but as for the leader of kazokhstan, I can say that it’s time to replace him. to the collapse of the USSR. his son steers in oil and gas, and indeed it’s not yours not ours, an example regards the republics of South Aasset and Abkhazia.
          1. +17
            2 May 2013 11: 54
            Yes bully RUSSIA 2013
            You know, in my childhood, the book was, as far as I remember, a little blue ..
            "ABC" is called, in another way "Primer"!?! Very much, I advise you .. good
            Quote: RUSSIA 2013
            his son steers in oil-gas

            Yah belay True?!! Damn, but we live in Kazakhstan understand and do not know lol
            We talked about 3 daughters and heard ...
            Tell us at least his name ?! What would we know .. Do you have a photo of Nazarbayev’s son ?! Just a glance to take a look .. Yes Well, please .. I will be very grateful hi
          2. +6
            2 May 2013 12: 07
            he was still in the days of Gorbachev, and turn me probably had a hand in the collapse of the USSR

            Bullshit ... He was just the same politician who opposed the collapse of the USSR.
            his son steers in oil-gas

            What kind of son is that?

            Z.Y. To get started, finish school, and then you will write about such complex things as geopolitics.
          3. -4
            2 May 2013 13: 19
            Priborzel Nazarbayev!
          4. Turdaun
            +2
            2 May 2013 15: 13
            Dear to begin with, learn "RUSSIAN LANGUAGE" this is the first, the second, Mr. Nazarbayev has only three legitimate children, and they are all female. And the "son" you are talking about is most likely the husband of one of his daughters, and he really "rules in the oil and gas sector", as you very wisely noted. Third, no one has ever driven representatives of the Russian (any other) ethnic group in Kazakhstan, never. Perhaps there were "somewhere" "special" cases, but this is enough everywhere, fools, as they say, are fools everywhere. And finally, fourth (most important), you have turned the phrase about his (Mr. Nazarbayev) "replacement", I have a question: - Is this in your competence?
        2. +7
          2 May 2013 12: 01
          ... nonsense, amers create bridgeheads for themselves everywhere, if they come somewhere, they just won’t leave ...

          Vitaliy, can you refer to the transshipment point in Ulyanovsk?
          In the Caspian Sea, a NATO naval base is not needed in FIGs. in the event of a military conflict, it will become the primary target for a strike from Iran.
        3. +6
          2 May 2013 12: 24
          Excuse me, how will Aktau be fundamentally different from Ulyanovsk? Explain what the Kazakhs will do, which we ourselves do not.
          1. +5
            2 May 2013 12: 33
            Honestly, practically nothing. Ordinary logistics.
            Therefore, an attempt to "make" from the Aktau port a kind of US naval base is the same as calling the Ulyanovsk transshipment point - a military airbase of the US and NATO countries.
            1. Vasily-71
              +6
              2 May 2013 12: 35
              It's just that someone has to head the headings for the articles and choose normal ones rather than write nonsense.
            2. +1
              2 May 2013 21: 41
              Quote: romb
              Therefore, an attempt to "make" from the Aktau port a kind of US naval base is the same as calling the Ulyanovsk transshipment point - a military airbase of the US and NATO countries.

              good
              Aktau port in the Caspian Sea for transit of goods from Afghanistan and back
              It seems that there were no special problems with geography, but how will the amers use this way ??? request
          2. +2
            2 May 2013 14: 55
            Quote: FC Skiff
            Excuse me, how will Aktau be fundamentally different from Ulyanovsk? Explain what the Kazakhs will do, which we ourselves do not.

            But if the "transshipment air lane" (!) Of Ulyanovsk were leased to amers along with the railway "branch" to Ukraine, Europe .. only then could it be more or less compared with the transfer of PORT (!) To Aktau (I was born in Shevchenko), which is definitely one of the most strategic in the Caspian Sea. By this decision, respected by me but definitely made a mistake, Nazarbayev suspended everyone! -And Russia, and Iran, and ... Kazakhstan.Kazakhs! - Answer yourself .. Nazarbayev 73g. Are you sure WHO will come after him? Someone from his entourage? -And whether there will be traitors among them "the continuation of Nazarbayev's policy"? Are you sure that when the "end of Nazarbayev's Way" comes, Afghanistan ... Kyrgyzstan .. Uzbeks .. Turkmens .. Tajiks? -Yes they are already asleep and see a "tidbit" -Kazakhstan. And the amers .. do not hesitate .. they will make their "contribution" .. And many more problematic things are ripening .. Yes, it's a p__ets! What "great" news before Victory Day ...
            1. +3
              2 May 2013 18: 33
              Quote: skrgar
              Are you sure that you will cope when the "end of Nazarbayev's Way" comes, with Afghanistan .. Kyrgyzstan .. Uzbeks .. Turkmens .. Tajiks? -Yes, they are already asleep and see the "tidbit" -Kazakhstan.

              Interesting interesting recourse
              Here on the site there was already a comparison of the military potentials of the armies of Central Asia, read ..
              So, Kazakhstan in terms of spending on its army surpasses the military budgets of the other Central Asian armies combined .. This also applies to weapons ..
              The only thing, for example, that Uzbekistan can compete with Kazakhstan is a mobilization resource .. Uzbekistan 30 million people. Mr. 17 million. But, and this, it would seem an undeniable advantage, is offset by the fact that the young (draft age) active Uzbek population is mostly outside it. So in Russia their number reaches almost 2,5 million people. In Kazakhstan, about a million newcomers to work from Uzbekistan. Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan have a similar situation in this area ..

              skrgar I was born in Shevchenko (Aktau)

              Clear, our "ex"
              You, former Kazakhstanis, have common symptoms: to poke, hook, insult your former homeland ..
              GY: in the formidable Tochikiston, aviation makes up three L-39 combat training aircraft and two Tu-95 strategic bombers (where did they get them belay)
              Just to pick up
              "tidbit" -Kazakhstan.
            2. Beck
              +5
              2 May 2013 20: 01
              Quote: skrgar
              Answer yourself .. Nazarbayev 73g. Are you sure WHO will come after him? Someone from his entourage? -Will there be traitors among them "to continue Nazarbayev's policy"?


              Someone will be. We will live, we will not die. Rulers come and go, people stay.
            3. +1
              3 May 2013 01: 18
              skrgar

              with Afghanistan..Kyrgyzstan..Uzbeks ..


              No need to drive the bullshit, man. When did the Uzbeks and Kazakhs quarrel, in the geopolitical arena, so to speak? The Uzbeks, on the neighbors, friends and brothers of the Kazakhs, have definitely not "coveted", and are not going to "covet" ...

              Yes, and with Victory Day, coming, and you and everyone ...
            4. +1
              3 May 2013 12: 46
              Well .. it’s not quite right to compare farmers and nomads. They need an advantage of 3 to 4 ..
              Well it was a joke. So far, in the "technological" (so to speak) plan, we are ahead.
          3. Kaa
            +1
            2 May 2013 18: 18
            Quote: FC Skif
            and how will Aktau be fundamentally different from Ulyanovsk? Explain what Kazakhs will do

            Quote: romb
            Honestly, practically nothing. Ordinary logistics.

            Yes, they have been doing this for a long time, while no US naval base in the Caspian has been observed: "The official representative of the Kazakh Foreign Ministry refused to comment on the issue directly related to the Aktau negotiations. However, the department provided EurasiaNet.org with a statement saying: 2009 2011 containers were sent from the USA and Europe through the port of Aktau to Afghanistan, i.e. most of the goods transported through the NSS (Northern Supply Chain) ".http: //mir-miru.org/index.php/sobytiya/15430-ssha-i-kazakhstan-rassmatriva
            yut-aktau-kak-alternativu-ulyanovsku-na-qafganskom-marshruteq.html
        4. Thor
          +2
          2 May 2013 14: 27
          The Caspian Sea is not connected to the oceans, which means the United States will not be able to send its warships there
          1. +1
            2 May 2013 15: 20
            Quote: Thor
            The Caspian Sea is not connected to the oceans, which means the United States will not be able to send its warships there

            That's right. And then a logical question arises .. "Why then do they need a port?" .. and immediately the answer "Control over the Caspian ... at least" ..
            1. Skiff-2
              0
              2 May 2013 17: 07
              Quote: skrgar

              That's right. And then a logical question arises .. "Why then do they need a port?" .. and immediately the answer "Control over the Caspian ... at least" ..

              This is not only control over the Caspian Sea, withdrawing troops and equipment from Afghanistan through this port to Azerbaijan and "HELLO PERSIA NATIVE". Toli became old Nazorbayev, or betrayed. Very disturbing news ... very unfriendly.
              1. Yarbay
                +2
                2 May 2013 18: 50
                Quote: Skif-2
                This is not only control over the Caspian Sea, withdrawing troops and equipment from Afghanistan through this port to Azerbaijan and "HELLO Native Persia".

                Cargo and troops go through Azerbaijan already for a long time !!!
            2. Yarbay
              +4
              2 May 2013 18: 49
              Quote: skrgar
              That's right. And then a logical question arises .. "Why then do they need a port?" .. and immediately the answer "Control over the Caspian ... at least" ..

              And through Ulyanovsk to control Russia?))))))))))))))
            3. 0
              3 May 2013 01: 25
              And how, and how ... will they control the Caspian, man? *)) Do you think they will catch up there "Neptunes", "Orions" ... maybe someone is going there, going there to let a pair of F / A-18s wings? *) Yes. can still amers in the Caspian umudryatstsa deploy a couple of three ships "hydrographic" service? *)))

              And you know that they don't need this and nafikh ... *) You, the Caspian countries, have already launched everyone who could be launched into the Caspian - from the Chinese to the Canadians ... *)) so you don't even need to spend loot for military preparations - civil trans-corporations have ALREADY DONE all this for them ... *)) So, I do not understand your "panic", by God ... *)))

              Damn Stalin, there is not enough for all of you, "Caspians" ... *))
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      3. +4
        2 May 2013 11: 01
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        ... I hope Nazarbayev understands what he is doing. Because in the case of a minimal error, not only him and the Kazakh elite ruling now will be destroyed, but also the country ...

        Attempts to "flirt" with the west, on the part of the Kazakh bai, will not lead to anything good, they also throw off "their sons of bitches" when they need to, examples in bulk from Libya to Egypt and other color coups, it will be a shame if this the list will also add the bordering Kazakhstan ...
      4. +7
        2 May 2013 11: 47
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        I hope Nazarbayev understands what he is doing.
        Kazakhstan has been playing the give-and-give game for a long time with Russia ... We pay for everything, Baikonur’s star, for bases, for air defense ... It seems to me that Nazarbayev perfectly calculated everything. It is clear that the power of his clan is not eternal, it’s clear that they won’t forgive much now ... And the NATO military base in the Caspian will be an excellent argument in negotiations with Russia. The author is right that the appearance of such a base automatically puts a big cross on the stability of the region, but allows it to become more active in the sale of oil and raise the question of laying a pipeline through the Caspian.
        1. 0
          2 May 2013 14: 14
          Quote: domokl
          allows you to step up sales of oil and even raise the question of laying a pipeline through the Caspian.

          Not everything is clear there. For example, Nazarbayev refused to China to build a railway from China to Iran that was not our breadth. That he could decide. But the Caspian is not yet divided.
          There are many options on which the Americans could breed Kazakhstan, but, in any case, they will deceive and set them up. Although, this is not a poor country like Uzbekistan, to get caught in a similar way.
          It is worth waiting for further clarification, m. these are fully agreed upon actions in the CSTO and at the level of top officials. Still, there are enough of those who, as soon as possible, try to drive a wedge between our countries.
        2. Yarbay
          +3
          2 May 2013 18: 51
          Quote: domokl
          A NATO military base in the Caspian will be an excellent argument in negotiations with Russia

          And the military base in Ulyanovsk will be an excellent argument in negotiations with Kazakhstan?))))
        3. essenger
          +2
          19 July 2013 15: 03
          Quote: domokl
          We pay for everything, Baikonur sv, for bases, for air defense


          Nifigase what impudence? Do you want to use them for free?
      5. yak69
        +1
        2 May 2013 12: 25
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        I hope Nazarbayev understands what he is doing. Because in the event of a minimal error, not only him and the Kazakh elite now ruling, but also the country will be destroyed.

        I have already written repeatedly in the comments how our "friends" from former brothers are turning into fierce enemies. The most interesting thing is that in many ways this change is taking place under the leadership of the leaders of these republics (especially in the minds of young people). Such as N. Nazarbayev, a friend of the hunchback, who took an active part in the collapse of the Union, now and further continues the process of the collapse of what is left.
        In the Caspian Sea, another friend of his is - I. Aliyev. They are there together now against Russia. In this situation, our leadership should more actively include the levers of economic and political pressure and as decisively as possible!
        It is necessary to change the leaders of these republics to loyal ones. Why are we shy about this? Living in a world where Europeans and Americans are just waiting for us to stumble, and playing by the rules of honor is simply suicide.
        Russia can not be an empire, or it will be eaten up! We are big and we MUST be strong and tough. I am for the comprehensive expansion in the post-Soviet space (for starters!).
      6. +4
        2 May 2013 18: 30
        By law: Third-country military bases in the Republic of Kazakhstan cannot be created without the consent of the CSTO countries. At the moment, in the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan there are only Russian aircraft (Baikonir, Sary-Shagan, radar and, in my opinion, the center of space communications). This law was adopted when NATO was preparing to invade Afghanistan - they wanted to organize a base in Alma-Ata (in the end, they got Manas in Kyrgyzstan).
        It can only be a transit point for cargoes, such as Ylyanovsk. hi
      7. Hey
        0
        2 May 2013 22: 18
        Alas, the name for this is senility. And it is not curable. To be continued.
      8. -1
        3 June 2013 12: 52
        WE UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING

        AND DO NOT DO
    2. Gemar
      +10
      2 May 2013 07: 43
      Quote: svp67
      I wonder how Iran will react to this news?

      Interest Ask! good What do you think about this?
      This is what seems to me ...
      China will be one of the first to express itself on this topic. The PRC is now striving for "world harmony" - the same desire to establish a "new world order", only with an Asian specificity, which is most likely even worse than American hegemony. And any actions initiated not by the "great" China itself will be critically assessed. What can I say, China already considers the Arctic Ocean to be a zone of its interests, and the Caspian Sea even more so! I would not be surprised if at the next negotiations within the SCO, China starts criticizing the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan.
      Quote: svp67
      And how is the opinion of Russia taken into account?

      On the one hand, Kazakhstan and the United States are independent countries. They are not obliged to take into account the opinion of the RF. On the other hand, Kazakhstan, our ally in the SCO and the CU, is obliged to "consult" with the Russian Federation about this juicy issue. Apparently ours did not consider it necessary to take into account the opinion of Kazakhstan on the NATO base in Ulyanovsk, so we get a "return". recourse
      1. +2
        2 May 2013 07: 45
        Quote: Gamar
        Interest Ask! What do you think about this?

        Yes, at 100% I'm sure they will be DISSATISFIED.
      2. +3
        2 May 2013 07: 47
        Quote: Gamar
        On the one hand, Kazakhstan and the United States are independent countries. They are not obliged to take into account the opinion of the RF. On the other hand, Kazakhstan, our ally in the SCO and the CU, is obliged to "consult" with the Russian Federation about this juicy issue. Apparently ours did not consider it necessary to take into account the opinion of Kazakhstan on the NATO base in Ulyanovsk, so we get a "return".
        A "transit point" within the country is one thing, and a somewhat different one in the Caspian basin, there are a lot of restrictions ...
      3. +1
        2 May 2013 12: 39
        He consults with TONY Blair (he is also an adviser in Kazakhstan) ...
        1. 0
          2 May 2013 13: 50
          "minus" apparently those who opened the "ulcer"! I don’t understand, didn’t I tell the truth? that they are no longer an "advisor"?
    3. donchepano
      +13
      2 May 2013 08: 17
      Quote: svp67

      Kazakhstan is ready to provide NATO with the Aktau port on the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back.


      Hmm, first the NATO base in Ulyanovsk, now in Kazakhstan ... Something the rulers completely lost their scent
    4. +11
      2 May 2013 09: 38
      As a resident of Aktau, I will say this. And what is this? Through our airspace, NATO aircraft have long been moving their cargo. Unattended NATO forces travel through Russia with cargo. By the way, it seems that through our port more than once we transported cargo for NATO troops in Manas. So this is nothing more than a possible official designation of their presence. And unofficially - NATO is running through Russia and Kazakhstan.

      Well, a note in the topic:


      Russian Railways subsidiary TransContainer earned half a billion rubles on the transit of NATO cargo in 2012. The newspaper "RBK daily" writes about this with reference to the company's IFRS reporting.

      Russia and NATO signed an agreement on the transit of goods to Afghanistan in 2009. Prior to this, the unit delivered the necessary goods through Pakistan, but the latter refused to cooperate. The Pakistani authorities resumed supplies for NATO through their territory only in July 2012 of the year. Initially, an agreement on the transit of goods through the territory of Russia implied only land transport.

      At the end of June, a government decree was signed in Russia authorizing the transportation of NATO cargo not only by land but also by combined route. This made it possible to transit the cargo of the alliance through the airport of Ulyanovsk, which, as expected, will also bring money. Representatives of international logistics companies will help in transit, and foreign troops will not participate in the transportation.

      1. +9
        2 May 2013 10: 06
        It seems people did not understand, it is not about creating a US or NATO military base on the Caspian coast. The point is that Kazakhstan is not averse to making extra money on the transportation of military goods. Most likely, not a single NATO or US military will appear in Aktau.
      2. +1
        2 May 2013 12: 42
        In Kazakhstan, they are Blair, in the Russian government - agents of the Central Bank of Russia, guys work well! ...
    5. +5
      2 May 2013 10: 09
      Aktau is the port of Shevchenko in the USSR, that’s what
    6. +2
      2 May 2013 11: 19
      Quote: svp67
      And how is the opinion of Russia taken into account?

      Afghanistan does not adjoin the Caspian, and where to transport goods from Afghanistan to the Caspian? Only through the internal waters of Russia (Volga-Don), therefore, all the agreements have already been made ... An interesting conclusion suggests itself:
      Maybe Syria was exchanged for Iran, otherwise what is the NATO base in Aktau for? I remember Iran was not happy with the division of the Caspian Sea proposed by Russia ..... And so under the Afghan "noise" Iran will be imposed on all sides, and then the whistle will begin ...
      1. +4
        2 May 2013 12: 10
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Quote: svp67
        And how is the opinion of Russia taken into account?

        Afghanistan does not adjoin the Caspian, and where to transport goods from Afghanistan to the Caspian? Only through the internal waters of Russia (Volga-Don), therefore, all the agreements have already been made ... An interesting conclusion suggests itself:
        Maybe Syria was exchanged for Iran, otherwise what is the NATO base in Aktau for? I remember Iran was not happy with the division of the Caspian Sea proposed by Russia ..... And so under the Afghan "noise" Iran will be imposed on all sides, and then the whistle will begin ...

        To answer Voaros where to transport goods from Afghanistan to the Caspian at school, it was NECESSARY TO TEACH GEOGRAPHY !!!
        I’ll tell you a secret 25 percent of cargo passes through Baku by air. Here they refuel. And how will they deliver goods by land to Aktau, and from there to Baku. Azerbaijan has the largest merchant fleet in the Caspian Sea, and then from Baku by rail. And then there to the Black Sea to Europe or Turkey to the Mediterranean There are many options.
        1. +1
          2 May 2013 13: 27
          Quote: Yeraz
          IT WAS TO TEACH GEOGRAPHY !!!

          Apparently he was walking, as if through Azerbaijan and Georgia there was an exit (by rail) to the Black Sea .......
          1. +4
            2 May 2013 13: 52
            Quote: ziqzaq
            Apparently truant

            In vain they skipped))
            Quote: ziqzaq
            Exactly through Azerbaijan and Georgia there is an exit (by rail) to the Black Sea .......

            So there is a way out to the Mediterranean Sea. Besides, I forgot when the Turks completed the construction of the railway station under the Bosphorus, this is already the 3rd way out.
        2. +2
          2 May 2013 14: 55
          And if such a route is land-based to Aktau-marine to Astrakhan and the river to Ulyanovsk. Because such a version is also quite viable.
        3. Yarbay
          +1
          2 May 2013 18: 54
          Quote: Yeraz
          Azerbaijan has the largest merchant fleet in the Caspian Sea, and then from Baku by rail. And then there to the Black Sea to Europe or Turkey to the Mediterranean. There are many options

          Totally agree!
          Recently it was said that the possibility of using the Baku-Tbilisi-Kars railway is being discussed in Washington !!
        4. 0
          2 May 2013 21: 54
          Ali, but cargo is a technique, and is it overloaded in such quantities? With all desire - a little expensive transportation!
          All the same, when the troops were brought in without Ulyanovsk and Aktau, they somehow managed, but with the withdrawal, it was needed! Not without purpose all this.
    7. +2
      2 May 2013 11: 35
      And why be surprised if Russia itself provides its airfields for transportation
      NATO military cargo through the territory of Russia. Therefore, what a statement could be about Russia.
      1. Beck
        +9
        2 May 2013 12: 12
        Quote: pravednik
        And why be surprised if Russia itself provides its airdromes for transporting NATO military cargo through the territory of Russia. Therefore, what a statement can be about Russia.


        Correctly. Why be surprised. Normal interstate arrangements.

        It was some correspondent who caught up with the wave, as if about a catastrophe with global warming, as soon as the journalistic public relations started.

        Kazakhstan is a member of the CU, the Collective Security Treaty Organization, the SCO, and is building the Eurases with Russia. Russia is the closest geopolitical ally. And what do you think that the leadership of Kazakhstan did not consult with the Kremlin regarding the creation of a transshipment point. Of course consulted. Moscow authorities are silent, it’s only a journalist who is driving a wave.

        And most likely, US cargo delivered through the North Pole to Ulyanovsk and will be transported to Aktau (along the Volga), and from there onwards by rail to Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Afghanistan. But this is an assumption. The exact answer is known in three places on the globe. In Astana, in Moscow and in Washington.

        And there is nothing to go to extremes.
    8. beech
      0
      2 May 2013 12: 28
      Russia needs to be cut for this port it needs with the same energy as for Syria !!! And why not place a couple of apl on a cube ??
    9. Thor
      +1
      2 May 2013 14: 23
      So Russian airspace for transit is not enough for them
    10. Reasonable, 2,3
      +3
      2 May 2013 15: 22
      And they will ship their ships with components. Bow, stern, cannon. But seriously, who will let them into the Caspian. This is our zone.
  2. +9
    2 May 2013 06: 31
    Well, we were the first to show an example when we let Nato go to Ulyanovsk. Kazakhstan went further.
    1. +6
      2 May 2013 06: 38
      Quote: vjatsergey
      Well, we were the first to show an example when we let Nato go to Ulyanovsk. Kazakhstan went further.

      To this you will be answered that this event promises great benefits, but they will not say who they will feed on.
    2. +2
      2 May 2013 06: 49
      I do not agree that the base in Ulyanovsk poses a military threat while being far from the borders within the country. I do not think that in this situation our people do not monitor the cargo being transported. And the Caspian is another matter ... They didn’t wait for a blow.
      1. DPN
        +7
        2 May 2013 07: 18
        It’s a bad example, it’s always contagious and Russia sets an example, if there weren’t Ulyanovsk there wouldn’t be a base in the Caspian.
        1. +11
          2 May 2013 07: 34
          Quote: DPN
          It’s a bad example, it’s always contagious and Russia sets an example, if there weren’t Ulyanovsk there wouldn’t be a base in the Caspian.

          Indeed, a reasonable question arises: why is it possible for us, but not for the Kazakhs?
    3. nickname 1 and 2
      +8
      2 May 2013 08: 28
      Quote: vjatsergey
      Well, we were the first to show an example when we let Nato go to Ulyanovsk. Kazakhstan went further.


      ARTISTIC WHISTLE!
      I think so!
      firstly = Ulyanovsk is a transshipment "base". those. base but not military. The plane sat down and overloaded the cargo flew further.
      This is - as they say in Odessa = two big differences!

      In Kazakhstan = no one knows HOW IT WILL BE! but - fantasies go wild!
      The second - I really doubt that such a LIS as C, H,
      did something without "good" from Putin.
      Third = A military base, then a pimple on the body when there is a solid military contingent, when there are means of repelling the blow and means of striking!

      And what threat and to whom from TOGO that is not provided with anything in the sense of defense and attack ??? fool

      Here thrown landing group. She has the ability to move and do some damage.
      And this transshipment base, what damage can it do? if it is destroyed at any time. Will they land on her?
      And who will give them? And you still have to fly to this base!

      It is not that simple!?


      Z.Y. See the root = where is the reprint?
      Provocation!
      1. +14
        2 May 2013 09: 08
        What the fuck is a military base? Where were the words that it would be a military base ?! And drugs - God forbid - Americans poison everyone without our help.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        +3
        2 May 2013 09: 38
        Ulyanovsk can only be "before refueling", what overloads, sat down, refueled, flew on, the crew went out to piss and that's it! Not a step further from the plane !!!
        1. Yarbay
          +3
          2 May 2013 18: 57
          Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
          Ulyanovsk can only be "before refueling", what overloads, sat down, refueled, flew on, the crew went out to piss and that's it! Not a step further from the plane !!!

          Well yes)))))))))))))
      3. Yarbay
        +2
        2 May 2013 18: 57
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        In Kazakhstan = no one knows HOW IT WILL BE!

        Why do not they know ??
        Kazakhs and amers know for sure !!
        In Russia, whoever needs to be surely also knows, because I don’t think that a member of the CSTO can, without the consent of partners, create a base for another bloc !!
        Rave!!
        1. nickname 1 and 2
          0
          3 May 2013 00: 14
          Quote: Yarbay
          I do not think that a member of the CSTO can, without the consent of partners, create a base for another bloc !!
          Rave!!


          I’m talking about this = ******* Kazakhstani authorities, together with US representatives, are considering turning the Caspian port of Aktau into a key transshipment point within the framework of the functioning of the Northern Supply Chain. According to him, the Kazakh authorities intend to turn Aktau into the largest transit hub by expanding the port, increasing the airport's capacity in terms of freight traffic and building railway lines to Turkmenistan and Iran. “This will enable the United States to transport its cargo through the port and airport, and Kazakhstan will gain experience in organizing multimodal transportation,” he said in an interview with local media. Experts called the official’s statement “unauthorized,” the very possibility of deploying US military in the port of Aktau is unlikely. ******

          That's about these "compositions". It is too extensive and large-scale to fit into one contract. It doesn't work that way.
  3. DPN
    +14
    2 May 2013 06: 50
    Russia provided NATO with a transshipment point in Ulyanovsk, setting a bad example of why Kazakhstan cannot provide NATO with a naval base if it is economically profitable. We are reaping the benefits of Russian diplomacy. We (Russia) are being lined up like a bear in a den.

    If amers do something on the territory of the former USSR, it means they’re stronger, so some of our youth already believe that the United States, penal battalions, barrage squads and criminals from the movie Bastards won the Great Patriotic War. haya all Soviet. What kind of love can there be for the Motherland, if that country did not do everything, did so.
  4. waisson
    +3
    2 May 2013 06: 54
    so I wanted to notice about Ulyanovsk the question is how long they are going to use this port for their own purposes and it will not grow from temporary to permanent
  5. DPN
    +2
    2 May 2013 07: 07
    If a former Chekist in the whole country asks whether LENIN is alive, then how do you know the growing youth whether there was a Second World War and who won it, and whether there was a country that the generation of the 90s failed.
    Now Kazakhs do not know the Russian language either, only the Soviet generation speaks Russian. Greens rule the world and Kazakhs also need them, like Russia, hence the US base.
    1. +6
      2 May 2013 15: 13
      You are mistaken, dear! I live in South Kazakhstan, full of Russian schools, many Kazakh children study in Russian classes. Russian, Kazakh languages ​​are MANDATORY subjects.
      1. Beck
        +4
        2 May 2013 20: 09
        Quote: Andrey KZ
        You are mistaken, dear! I live in South Kazakhstan, full of Russian schools, many Kazakh children study in Russian classes. Russian, Kazakh languages ​​are MANDATORY subjects.


        I welcome the fellow countryman. Your answer is valuable precisely because you are a Slav. And then here Uroshniki say such a thing. And they do not believe that the Russian language in Kazakhstan has the widest application.
        1. +4
          2 May 2013 20: 41
          hi I’m afraid that they’re crazy and they won’t believe me. wink
  6. +3
    2 May 2013 07: 13
    Kazakhstan is ready to provide NATO with the Aktau port on the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back.
    Well, they will get this port, and then what? How will transportation be carried back and forth from the metropolis, by rail, by air or by water? That is, some kind of infrastructure will be involved
    1. Captain Vrungel
      +7
      2 May 2013 08: 48
      Traffic across the Caspian. Turkey, Azerbaijan, by sea to Kazakhstan, and then through the "friendly" Central Asian countries to Afghanistan. But it seems to me that they are encircling Iran and isolating it from Russia through the last direct contact, the Caspian. It's time to build between friendly Muslim countries the Great Russian Wall with powerful fortified areas, just in case.
  7. +3
    2 May 2013 07: 41
    Lenin lived, Lenin lives, Lenin will live, just as the dollar lives and will live. This candy wrapper is worshiped and served both in Russia and in Kazakhstan, and chatter about the common interests of Kazakhstan and Russia will remain chatter. One interest is the dollar, and the authorities tied to the dollar cannot be independent. It is time to create a US base on Baikonur and assign a hero of labor to Chubais, Abramovich, Veselberg and the hedgehog with them, Yeltsin and Gaidar posthumously.
  8. +5
    2 May 2013 07: 47
    Good morning to everyone, And many here have sinned against Azerbaijan - that we say to the Americans and Israel we present our territory for bases, not everything is so simple in the "Danish kingdom" ...
    1. +10
      2 May 2013 09: 03
      There will be NO US or Israel bases in Azerbaijan. And all the talk about it is evil. It would be playing with fire. And we are far from suicides.
      1. mansur
        +1
        2 May 2013 11: 14
        Elmira Tariverdieva
        13.04.2010
        The cooperation between Azerbaijan and NATO has a nearly twenty-year long history. Azerbaijan is one of the most active NATO partners in the South Caucasus region and beyond. The country participates in more than 250 NATO events - which is one of the highest rates in the world and the highest in the South Caucasus. More than 50 events are held in Azerbaijan annually as part of cooperation with NATO. Talks about joining the South Caucasian state to the Alliance have been going on more or less intensively all the years, but recently there has been a special intensification of relations between NATO and official Baku.

        The NATO Cooperation Institute and the embassies of NATO member countries accredited in Azerbaijan declared April “NATO Month in Azerbaijan”, and NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen is expected to visit Azerbaijan in the summer.

        At a press conference in early April, NATO coordinator in Azerbaijan, Romania’s ambassador to Baku, Nicolae Ureque, said that Turkey, which has been a NATO member for over 50 years and plays a crucial role in the North Atlantic alliance, can help Azerbaijan’s integration into NATO.

        "Undoubtedly, cooperation between Baku and NATO will eventually result in Azerbaijan's full membership in NATO," Ureke said.

        Of course, Azerbaijan is now an exemplary partner for NATO, not only actively cooperating with the organization, but also being a necessary geostrategic link in the Europe-South Caucasus-Central Asia link. Since 1992, the alliance experts have been assisting the Azerbaijani side in military planning and in creating a civil defense system.
        At the same time, Azerbaijan plays an important role in the anti-terrorist operations carried out by coalition forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. The NATO leadership has long been considering the issue of the southern route, which deals with possible transit through Ukraine, the Black Sea, Georgia, Azerbaijan, the Caspian Sea and Turkmenistan to Afghanistan.
        1. +5
          2 May 2013 11: 30
          All this is talk, dear. One thing is diplomacy with a smile on its lips, and another is BASES. As for the transit of NATO cargo, in connection with the opening of traffic on the railway. Baku-Tbilisi-Kars really opens up new opportunities for the transportation of goods further to Europe, and all countries will be able to take advantage of this opportunity. What is wrong with that? This has nothing to do with the mythical "bases". After all, Russia allows you to use the point in Ulyanovsk.
  9. Belogor
    +4
    2 May 2013 07: 50
    NG's source does not arouse much confidence. I think that the upper echelons of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation will discuss this topic and find a compromise.
  10. +3
    2 May 2013 08: 22
    "... the port" Aktau "in the Caspian for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back." does not have transport infrastructure with Afghanistan. In my opinion, there are two points:
    1. Nazarbayev is torn apart by his own elite, which put an end to the independence of the country for the money of the Yankees (an example is the Afghan elite);
    2. Along the path laid by the Yankees, the Taliban will go to Kazakhstan with their jihad, and this is 6467 km of the border with Russia, i.e. "dregs" from the Caucasus stretches to the east. In addition - 600 km to Ufa and Kazan. Islamists from Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan will be "firewood" who will set fire to the same money.

    A “locked border” is becoming inevitable, and this is a lot of money, etc., and all this is against Russia, but by the wrong hands.
    1. Earthman
      -3
      2 May 2013 08: 34
      You yourself are not funny when you read what you wrote?
      1. +2
        2 May 2013 09: 35
        Quote: Earthman
        You yourself are not funny when you read what you wrote?

        Where so funnier recourse You’ll grin right.
        So I see Clintonsha's evil grin:
        "-We will never allow this!"
        (About creating a vehicle)
        It seems no wonder croaked.
    2. +3
      2 May 2013 11: 17
      Article title
      Is a US naval base being built in the Caspian?

      In the article itself it is written in black and white: - "port "Aktau" in the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back. " Where request at least a word about the naval base ??? !!!
      In this case, too, in Ulyanovsk, probably - the US naval base ?!
      according to experts

      These experts, do they happen to be sitting on benches at the entrances of houses ?? !!
      Here is another such Expert:
      Quote: GrBear
      "... the port" Aktau "in the Caspian for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back." does not have transport infrastructure with Afghanistan. In my opinion, there are two points:
      1. Nazarbayev is torn apart by his own elite, which put an end to the country's independence for money yankee (close example is Afghanistan’s elite)
      The Kazakh elite has its own money - dofuya good Why is she American laughing
      2. Along the path laid by the Yankees, the Taliban will go to Kazakhstan with their jihad, and this is 6467 km of the border with Russia, i.e. "dregs" from the Caucasus stretches to the east. In addition - 600 km to Ufa and Kazan. Islamists from Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan will be "firewood" who will set fire to the same money.
      Nda recourse How to comment on all this nonsense..
      I remind you that the Taliban were already in power in Afghanistan: why didn’t they come, with their jihad?? !! wink
      Further, the Taliban are strong, like all "partisans" - only within their "feeding landscape" and with the absolute support of the local population ..
      As an example: “Have you heard anything about Belarusian partisans in Poland or Germany ?? !!
      (they could guerrilla, only in the Belarusian swamps and forests. And, nowhere else ..)

      In Kazakhstan they will be immediately caught ..
      About
      On the path .. the Taliban will go to Kazakhstan

      negative Dust swallow dust ..
      So I see a surrealistic picture - the Taliban in turban go along the Kazakhstan steppes, deserts .. I am from the North of Kazakhstan, and it will be especially interesting for me to see them in 40% frost, during snowstorms laughing How to grill: "You are welcome"

      A “locked border” is becoming inevitable, and this is a lot of money, etc., and all this is against Russia, but by the wrong hands.

      I, as I understand it ... do you really want this ?? ??
      Yes, please do what you want - your country ..
  11. qroz5
    +1
    2 May 2013 08: 28
    made sure once again that Russia has no friends
    1. Earthman
      -12
      2 May 2013 08: 33
      Only the army and navy, which also do not exist
      1. +6
        2 May 2013 08: 42
        Quote: Earthman
        Only the army and navy, which also do not exist

        Tell the NATO, they’ll be surprised.
        1. Earthman
          -9
          2 May 2013 09: 44
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Tell the NATO, they’ll be surprised.

          hello to you, dear patriotic. Well, tell me what is the Russian army and navy? Well tell about it NATO. NATO will ridicule and say how the daughter of the scoops has spoiled everything
          1. +4
            2 May 2013 10: 32
            Quote: Earthman
            Well tell about it NATO. NATO will ridicule and say how the daughter of the scoops has spoiled everything

            Well, dares that okromya laughter more and there is nothing.
            1. mansur
              +4
              2 May 2013 11: 28
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, dares that okromya laughter more and there is nothing.

              We read on the Internet, and we ourselves see how the military equipment of almost all military branches is being modernized, from Aviation to the Navy, officer salaries are rising, officer honor and duty to the Motherland is natural, but you need to feed your family, and mortgages to normal apartments, do not live for officers with families in barracks, but with difficulty, of course, everything is not so smoothly done.
              And laughs the one who laughs last
          2. 0
            2 May 2013 15: 35
            Yes, in Russia - no, Kazakhstan will "save" Russia! ...
            1. +2
              2 May 2013 15: 43
              Listen, I was in Kazakhstan a week ago, so there is someone to be saved, so people living in villages. I just oh .... ate from what I saw. sheer degradation
              1. +5
                2 May 2013 20: 59
                Yes, it’s necessary to save the village! Both in Kazakhstan and in Russia. I was in the village of Naryn. Somewhere 150 km from Ulan-Ude. Believe me, I ... eat no less than yours. But nature is reserved. Taiga! I, a steppe resident, was very impressed!
                1. 0
                  3 May 2013 13: 21
                  I agree, and life in the villages is not easy in Russia, but there are places where people drink water from the river. It was just so offensive. The guardsman was buried. After hitting his head, I walked for three days. And after that, the local horsemen (doctors) could not get the person out. All explanation - "not transportable"
                  (he served in the city of Bolgrad, military unit 57327 separate military battalion.)
                  1. +1
                    3 May 2013 17: 12
                    Greetings! At the expense of water, yes, there are problems, but they are being solved. In Kazakhstan there is a program "Clean Water", according to which, in every, even the most remote village, there should be drinking water in every house, and there are results, my parents live in the village , 3 years ago, water was given according to the schedule, now around the clock, the water supply system has been completely changed. I feel sorry for the guard, he rest in peace.
      2. +6
        2 May 2013 10: 01
        Quote: Earthman
        Only the army and navy, which also do not exist

        Do not wishful thinking. The rodents and their sidekick NATO have already tried.
      3. +1
        2 May 2013 12: 27
        what do we have? what??? our "army" - this word in our country means the place where conscripts do not want to go, not the armed forces.
        our "valiant" will not hold out for 15 minutes against China ... and you are also talking about the Russian army.
        1. +3
          2 May 2013 12: 35
          Draftees do not want to join our army?
          Are you definitely from Kazakhstan?
          1. -2
            3 May 2013 11: 43
            for sure ... almost half (if not more) of the acquaintances did not serve ... and are not going to
            1. +1
              3 May 2013 13: 57
              Thieves?
              Probably sick or partially capable?
              Homemade, pissing boys?
              wink
        2. +1
          2 May 2013 12: 48
          Quote: serzhserzh86
          our "valiant" will not hold out for 15 minutes against China ... and you are also talking about the Russian army.

          Are you sure that China will not fail underground in 15 minutes?
          1. 0
            3 May 2013 11: 45
            Well, unless in the west, where everything that can be pumped out of the bowels ... especially since the bowels can be said to have already been bought by China.
        3. 0
          3 May 2013 14: 06
          actually in Kazakhstan they also pay money to serve. I know for a contract for sure that they pay to get a military unit
          1. 0
            14 May 2013 05: 57
            there is such a system: if you do not want to serve, pay, you want to serve, pay.
  12. Belogor
    +8
    2 May 2013 08: 48
    unlikely because Kazakhstan is a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, which imposes certain obligations on it. Yes, and there will be friction with Iran. In general, if the United States needs a base in the Caspian, they will easily agree on this with Azerbaijan.
  13. +3
    2 May 2013 09: 06
    Some crumpled news. It is strange that in Ulyanovsk there is already a transshipment point for the USA. Why then in Kazakhstan is impossible?
  14. +6
    2 May 2013 09: 14
    Kazakhstan is ready to provide NATO with the Aktau port on the Caspian Sea for the transit of goods from Afghanistan and back.
    The source does not seem to be in the know. Aktau port has long been used for NATO cargo. Now we are talking about expanding the port and transit.
    1. +3
      2 May 2013 10: 10
      Quote: srha
      The source does not seem to be in the know.

      Or maybe the source voiced his dreams? Well, well ... it’s not bad to dream, only shish to these dreams! fellow
  15. +4
    2 May 2013 09: 20
    It’s sad to read all this. Although I do not believe that without the consent of Putin Nazarbayev gave the green light to this base. I think there are some agreements between Russia and Kazakhstan on this matter, maybe they want to cut down the dough and study NATO logistics.
    1. -3
      2 May 2013 11: 03
      We must not teach NATO logistics, but remember Asian treachery.
    2. avt
      0
      2 May 2013 11: 11
      Quote: smsk
      It’s sad to read all this. Although I do not believe that without the consent of Putin Nazarbayev gave the green light to this base. I think there are some agreements between Russia and Kazakhstan on this matter, maybe they want to cut down the dough and study NATO logistics.

      The transshipment of goods makes sense when transporting goods by water, for which they need the "opening" of the Volgo-Don canal by Russia, the amers have long been saying that it must be made "international" with appropriate control.
    3. Gari
      +5
      2 May 2013 12: 03
      Quote: smsk
      It’s sad to read all this. Although I do not believe that without the consent of Putin Nazarbayev gave the green light to this base. I think there are some agreements between Russia and Kazakhstan on this matter, maybe they want to cut down the dough and study NATO logistics.

      For some reason, I also think so, it seems Nazarbayev whom I respect as the most experienced and wise of all the leaders and politicians in the whole CIS would not have agreed so easily, was it not against the collapse of the USSR when those three ghouls in Beloveshskaya the Great Country was destroyed more and more, and even now it seems that it supports all the integration processes in the CIS.
  16. +1
    2 May 2013 09: 53
    US wants to build another port for transporting drugs from Afghanistan ??
    In Astana, they probably forgot how the allies act with former friends in Libya.
    It just doesn’t end. Entrance is a dollar - and Astana will pay 10 for the exit !!!
    1. 0
      2 May 2013 11: 00
      Yes! That's for sure. The prospect of opportunists is such.
      1. Vasily-71
        +1
        2 May 2013 12: 19
        Is Russia also an opportunist? In Ulyanovsk, the same point.
  17. StrateG
    +2
    2 May 2013 10: 04
    there would be no Ulyanovsk there would be no base in the Caspian.


    I'll give those! It wouldn’t ... I live in Ulyanovsk, and there is no smell of any base there! It was empty as it was, no activity other than the fact that cargo planes like Ruslan began to fly more often in the sky.
  18. +6
    2 May 2013 10: 15
    The article, of course, surprised me with its stupidity. It reminds of something yellowish, scandalous, from the category of NTV-Veshensky "You won't believe".
    Advice to the author - drink iyad!
    1. +5
      2 May 2013 10: 55
      Quote: romb
      The article, of course, surprised me with its stupidity. It reminds of something yellowish, scandalous, from the category of NTV-Veshensky "You won't believe".
      Advice to the author - drink iyad!

      The Toaars already traveled through the territory of Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan. 25% of NATO cargo through Azerbaijan passes Baku international airport.
      The usual point, I think the transshipment will be in the sense that you will not be transported by aircraft and will be delivered by land to Aktau, and Azerbaijan has the most ships (non-military) in the Caspian and therefore from there to Baku, and then by train to Ved Baku -Tblilisi-Kars will open and the Georgians have already proposed to transport goods on this railway, these are pluses to transit countries because it is money.
      And about the bureaucrats talk, the Kazakhs sold out to the United States, Kazakhstan is not poor, and their bureaucrats are a very rich layer.
  19. 0
    2 May 2013 10: 51
    Quote from the news portal:
    Aktau port will automatically become the base of the Pentagon and its allies. In fact, the fragile architecture of Caspian security will collapse.

    Turkey's undercover support from the leaders of Kazakhstan - "Turkey from Istanbul to Barnaul" meets NATO interests in the geopolitical directions of Turkey's control over the former Central Asia and the Asian part of Russia. At the same time, the issue of countering the aspirations of the Saudis (not just US allies) to control the establishment of radical regimes in the Islamic countries of the region and the establishment of a buffer zone against Chinese influence is being resolved.
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  22. dc120mm
    0
    2 May 2013 11: 29
    The American base in the country is a kind of occupation. How Russia admits it is not clear.
  23. Vasily-71
    +5
    2 May 2013 11: 32
    A transit point is not a base; these are different things. In general, in the Caspian, the most modern grouping of the Russian Navy is in any case
    .
  24. 0
    2 May 2013 11: 35
    Wikipedians don’t lie when they say that any American or Native American country does not have access to the Caspian Sea
    like Afghanistan
    so why should they transport bongs by sea if they get to Afghanistan in another way or, more precisely, fall?

    recalls that story about the German railway echelon,
    who came to the Brest railway station on June 21, 1941
    and stood sealed
    then the Red Army even guarded him ...
    and then on the 22nd of it the German soldiers jumped out of it every year ...

    Of course, Kazakhstan is no longer Russia, just like the Brest Fortress ...

    but what is happening now is reminiscent of a children's song:
    "A river begins from a blue brook ..."
  25. 0
    2 May 2013 11: 47
    Quote: sergo0000
    Quote: Earthman
    You yourself are not funny when you read what you wrote?

    Where so funnier recourse You’ll grin right.
    So I see Clintonsha's evil grin:
    "-We will never allow this!"
    (About creating a vehicle)
    It seems no wonder croaked.


    There is not enough caption under H. Clinton's photo: "There is no democracy yet ?! Then we are coming to you !!!"
  26. +6
    2 May 2013 11: 48
    So, that’s why Turkmenbashi fell off his horse. Kazakhs rode him off with a transshipment point wassat
    1. +3
      2 May 2013 12: 17
      So, that’s why Turkmenbashi fell off his horse. Kazakhs rode him off with a transshipment point

      Such news should be reported after the downloads, and not during the time of their holding.)))
    2. Yarbay
      +4
      2 May 2013 18: 59
      Fell from a horse - a bad omen !!
      It was necessary to immediately sit down again !!
      1. 0
        2 May 2013 19: 20
        Apparently, he made such a joke that he didn’t take it. By the way: An unpleasant incident occurred with Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, reports AP.
        Opening a park in the center of Istanbul, Erdogan decided to ride a horse. However, climbing the noble steed, the prime minister did not maintain his balance and collapsed to the ground.
        In total, Erdogan lasted only a few seconds in the saddle. July 31, 2003 15:06 p.m. ------------------------------ Another annoying embarrassment occurred with George W. Bush during his family Holidays in Kennebunkport, Maine. The Supreme Commander of the US Army did not cope with the scooter.
        Eyewitnesses say that after playing tennis, Bush decided to try out the new generation Segway scooter. Without letting go of the tennis racket, he tried to jump on the "miracle of technology", but did not keep his balance and fell. Failure did not confuse George W. Bush. June 13, 2003 12:38 pm
      2. 0
        2 May 2013 20: 27
        and it’s customary to break a leg right after falling from a horse ...
        fallen rider naturally laughing

        and if no one noticed his fall and did not help break his leg
        then he must do it himself angry
      3. Beck
        +2
        2 May 2013 23: 07
        Quote: Yarbay
        Fell from the horse, a bad omen !! It was necessary to immediately sit down again !!


        Greetings!

        There is one more reason. Historical. In the Middle Ages, the Mangyshlak peninsula belonged to the Turkmens. Then the warlike tribe of Kazakhs, the Adaevites, drove the Turkmen from the peninsula to the south. The Turkmens have not forgotten this, but there is enough adequacy to not officially protest today.

        Some year or two ago, an international event was held in Aktau. The heads of the republics of Central Asia were invited. Turkmenbashi verbally stated that he did not travel at the invitation of his homeland. And today there is also an American transshipment point in Aktau, so it fell from a horse.
  27. nnnnnn
    +1
    2 May 2013 11: 57
    Quote: RUSSIA 2013
    the Caspian flotilla began to be created in 1991. but as for the leader of kazokhstan, I can say that it’s time to replace him. to the collapse of the USSR. his son steers in oil and gas, and indeed it’s not yours not ours, an example regards the republics of South Aasset and Abkhazia.

    SON at Nazarbayev !? didn't know when he was born?
    1. +6
      2 May 2013 16: 12
      Yesterday I was born, but today already son steers in oil and gas laughing
  28. nnnnnn
    -2
    2 May 2013 12: 01
    Ulyanovsk and Aktau, links of the same chain, the same "staging points" or "transit", but in fact normal bases.
    1. Vasily-71
      +6
      2 May 2013 12: 18
      And a lot of Apaches and F-15 in Ulyanovsk? Do you seriously see the difference between the base and the transit point?
  29. Ruslan_F38
    -6
    2 May 2013 12: 12
    That Ulyanovsk, that Kazakhstan, that Syria - all these are links of one chain. All these actions are directed against Russia and nothing more. The Kazakhs generally surprised me, I did not expect this from them - they will place the base, Nazarbayev will be the first and exchange!
  30. 0
    2 May 2013 12: 19
    NATO cargo will be sent through Georgia to Azerbaijan, then by sea to the Kazakh port of Aktau, and from there through Uzbek territory to Afghanistan. Who can explain to me why such difficulties?
    You can go to Krasnovodsk (Turkmenbashi), because Turkmenistan also borders on Afghanistan. Either Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov turned out to be wiser, or the Yankees just need Kazakhstan. Or maybe the events of December 16, 2011 in the city of Zhanaozen were a warning to Nazarbayev. I would very much like to be mistaken.
  31. -1
    2 May 2013 12: 34
    Blimey!!! The Yankees will first drive cargo ships, build "convenient berths, and other necessary warehouses for them, and then bring in small submarines with a couple of dozen cruise missiles each with atomic charges of 200 kilotons, and there will be heaven in Kazakhstan. And the flight time is up to From the Kremlin, from Sevastopol, from the Caspian Sea, + - 10 minutes, and the flight altitude is 20 meters. I respect Nazarbayev, but before doing this you need to measure it 7 (SEVEN) times and only then cut it.
    1. Vasily-71
      +2
      2 May 2013 12: 40
      Are you mom’s strategist today? wink
  32. +7
    2 May 2013 12: 58
    Is a US naval base being built in the Caspian?

    The fact that Kazakhstan is creating its own naval forces does not surprise me and rotten associations, the normal state approach. The fact that the port of Aktau, by agreement, will be used to evacuate when the American exodus from Afghanistan is not the same event.
    Why is it inflated in the US naval base, this is a question. Out of a fly an elephant is called. So the goal is exactly the opposite of the one that the author designates. The desire to push Russia and Kazakhstan between their heads is obvious, so far, at least at the household level, the allied relations of these countries clearly do not suit anyone.
    The author is not at all one of ours, from the series "Not so much wants to lend a hand as to substitute a leg," and therefore my big minus. negative
  33. +3
    2 May 2013 13: 35
    The storm is in a glass, the article is custom-made, obviously, and the conversation is not worth a damn.
  34. +5
    2 May 2013 13: 47
    It is necessary to follow the "bazaar" and not only the author and his "sources", I do not even want to talk about the "experts", there is a submarine in the steppes of Ukraine laughing
    What is a naval base? Shchchas, amers will throw their destroyers and krants there by air.
    One sedentary played with terminology and called the transshipment point a naval base, and immediately the logical decision to use the waterway from Kazakhstan to Ulyanovsk caused almost panic, ay-ya-yy, everything disappeared. I also do not like America pathologically, but why hysteria without a reason?
    A huge article and author MINUSsorry I can’t put two. am
  35. +1
    2 May 2013 14: 18
    Good afternoon, dear forum participants! I’ve been browsing this site for a long time, and now having read your comments I could not stand it and registered to express my thoughts on this news. Many here write about Amer logistics, but I do not agree with this. What kind of logistics ?! if it will be the nearest base point to Kapustin Yar.k Sary-Shagal and other Russian landfills? this is pure intelligence and reconnaissance. Who does not agree? Your arguments!
    1. +1
      2 May 2013 14: 32
      Quote: nike
      this is pure intelligence and reconnaissance. Who does not agree? Your arguments!


      Intelligence has been, is and will always be, it is present in all existing structures, both among us and the Americans. But it does not follow from this that everything must be closed, fenced off and no one should be let into this fence, the trouble is, because of the fence you don’t see anything either.
    2. Beck
      +8
      2 May 2013 14: 37
      Quote: nike
      if it will be the nearest base point to Kapustin Yar.k Sary-Shagal and other Russian landfills? this is pure intelligence and reconnaissance. Who does not agree? Your arguments!


      Argumentless nonsense. Then the transshipment point in Ulyanovsk is a resident spy base for the Plesetsk cosmodrome, as it is mainly for military purposes.

      And then, what you will see from the yard of the transshipment point behind forests and sands, albeit with binoculars. The main and most extensive spy information is obtained by spy satellites from space. And figs to bring equipment from the USA and secretly install it behind the toilet of the item - you will not see anything, and there is certainly no such item in the agreements, because they can be kicked out for that. Amers need to carry goods. And they will see what is needed from space.
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        0
        2 May 2013 16: 42
        Quote: Beck
        Amers need to carry goods.


        BEK! Hello! A long time ago you could not hear.
        That's what I expected - who thinks the situation will ventilate?
        only - BEK!

        But here is what should not be missed, in my opinion: what kind of cargo should be transferred for which, as it is written in the article, such infrastructure should be built? What kind of "rubles" is it worth to put billions on them? Are there such values ​​in Afghanistan? Where from?
        Well, the hero-general was withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan, well, we remember how it was. Someone built ports for this base?

        In my opinion, this is pure "artistic whistle".
        What kind of crap should we still toss so that we discuss it in this forum?
        Well, perhaps = communism is built on Mars and Lenin is the messenger of that communism!
        If such an article is reprinted tomorrow, will it really be discussed?

        And so it is unpleasant for NATA our TS that it covers a lot of questions, including violation of the customs space!TOTAL! And this is just such an episode. So without the consent of Putin and Lukash it will not work. And therefore, there is no reason to bazaar here.
        And why drag in the states if you can scatter to the nearest bases?
        1. Beck
          +3
          2 May 2013 19: 53
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          BEK! Hello!


          And to you mine, only good.

          You correctly noticed about the vehicle. And I wrote, but did not disclose it. The single customs space is both airspace and terrestrial distances. Personally, without coordination with the CU members and allies, this does not roll.

          What kind of cargo? So no fools gathered in the vehicle. We discussed everything. Any cargo, but not to the detriment of the Customs Union and EurAsEC. Well, from the American dough, some are stealing. After all, in Kazakhstan and Russia we cannot do without this. But in general, the matter is normal.
          1. nickname 1 and 2
            0
            3 May 2013 00: 42
            Quote: Beck
            So no fools gathered in the vehicle.


            Yes! We only had one - as simple as a glass of seeds.
            Yes, labeled. Boriska, too, was a bit naive.
            And Narsultan is not even. If he signs something, it’s not to the detriment of what he fought for so many years!

            No, there’s clearly a registered crap.
      2. 0
        2 May 2013 16: 59
        Well, suppose you don’t see much under the skin of rockets in Plesetsk, satellites with 500-700km are also not very, and Aktau is relatively close (no closer) to the route Kap .. Yar-Balkhash. The toilet does not need to put anything, what is needed and where it is necessary, the Kazakhs themselves will take and deliver for money. Well, these are my thoughts, God forbid that I was wrong, but Russia is already so overburdened that different thoughts come and there are few good ones.
    3. avt
      +1
      2 May 2013 14: 55
      Quote: nike
      this is pure intelligence and reconnaissance.

      What intelligence and what? They calmly make do with the electronic equipment that is in Manas. But, as I said, there is a point in this, as they say now, logistics - to provide a transport corridor from the Black Sea through the Volga-Don to the Caspian Sea. There have already been statements about the "opening" of the channel by the amers. It has been proposed to make it a type of international highway. Then this is not a transit, a specific headache and you will knock them out of this traffic. Then they will "cooperate" for the good of peace and democracy in full ...
    4. 0
      2 May 2013 21: 09
      And here Cap.Yar. Before him from Astrakhan 350 km with a hook. And to the proposed base in the Caspian, in general, as to another planet.
  36. +2
    2 May 2013 14: 43
    The article is certainly provocative ...

    But
    The Russian flotilla in the Caspian is impressive!
    Guard ships - 2 (Patrol ship of project 11661, type “Cheetah” with a displacement of 1930 tons)
    Small artillery ships - 4 (Project 21630 small artillery ship, type "Buyan" with a displacement of 560 tons)
    Artillery boats - 5 (Project 1204 artillery boats with a displacement of 77t)
    Missile boats - 5(Missile boats of project 206-MP with a displacement of 270 tons)
    Landing boats - 6
    Minesweepers - 5
  37. RUkola
    0
    2 May 2013 15: 10
    But how did they go there, without any bases in Ulyanovsk, Aktau, etc.
    1. 0
      2 May 2013 16: 41
      Quote: RUkola
      But how did they go there, without any bases in Ulyanovsk, Aktau, etc.


      There, I understand, Afghanistan?
      You can go anywhere, the question is how to get out, as well as the price of this exit. For everything else, it’s not very bad to have emergency exit routes, and in Amers, I’ve strained this.
  38. alihan.kz
    +2
    2 May 2013 16: 05
    it’s in vain that you’re reading Nazabraev in vain and I understand that the Russian attitude towards us is deteriorating in vain (
  39. Vtel
    +1
    2 May 2013 16: 41
    And if the transformation of Azerbaijan into the Israeli-American military bridgehead was more worrying for Tehran, then Moscow forgave its "strategic partner", Kazakhstan, the training of Kazakh naval personnel by American instructors.

    And this is the bitter truth. Our liberals "themselves" (under the control of the West - this can be seen from the background of corruption in our country to the very head and the latest statements) are playing a game with double standards - the Ulyanovsk base, etc. What can we expect from our allies, they also do not have strong faith in us, because they see who is in charge and who rules everything in the world, so they are trying to grab at least a piece of something.
  40. Nursultan
    +2
    2 May 2013 17: 57
    read all komenty. The question arises: why did they create the Collective Security Treaty Organization, the Customs Union, and integrated air defense? if the people are against the fact that Kazakhstan decided to make money on the transportation of US cargo, just like Russia makes money on it.
    and I will say more. Kazakhstan is an Independent Republic and no one can dictate its opinion and will to it. With any pressure or when trying to impose our will on the Republic of Kazakhstan, it (we) will terminate all agreements by these countries! (Words by Nursultan Nazarbayev)
    P / s: as soon as I find an article with these words I will add
    1. avt
      0
      2 May 2013 18: 32
      Quote: Nursultan
      read all komenty. The question arises: why did they create the Collective Security Treaty Organization, the Customs Union, and integrated air defense?

      request Have you already created a single air defense? Yes, and the signing of the TS does not mean that all issues have been resolved, there is still work above the roof, if you seriously deal with it, and not blow lips with unpleasant comments on the Internet, we know for sure from the Union State. In general, I am touched by this approach to the topic - here the leaders of the paper signed and all problems were resolved at the behest and desire, well, people kind of should shine with happiness and hold hands dancing to start request laughing .This is after the restructuring and the dashing 90s!? Breaking does not build, especially when we ourselves do not know what we will actually build.
      1. Nursultan
        0
        2 May 2013 18: 46
        Quote: avt
        Have you already created a single air defense?

        if the memory serves me right then yes the papers are signed. the installation of ACS in RTV is in full swing.
        1. avt
          0
          2 May 2013 21: 13
          Quote: Nursultan
          if the memory serves me right then yes the papers are signed. the installation of ACS in RTV is in full swing.

          If you solve technical issues - it’s already good. That's when the issue of a single command is still being decided, when they decide who actually makes the decision and gives the command for destruction, then the question can be considered almost resolved. But this is not a simple matter, remember how in the late USSR, Korean Boeing and Rust bother. If political ambitions are not settled on the issue of defense, everything will go down the drain. We already have experience.
          1. Nursultan
            0
            3 May 2013 14: 59
            as far as I know, the radars of Kazakhstan and Russia are being combined to obtain information on the air situation
  41. -1
    2 May 2013 18: 31
    I did not quite understand. Like a fish needs a bicycle? Why does the Pentagon need Aktau-Baku when it is possible to drive cargo by transport aircraft? Secondly, where will the Pentagon take bulk carriers, barges, etc., that is, sea transport ?? Especially warships .. The Caspian-Persian Gulf Channel has not yet been dug. Even if a miracle happens and Nazarbayev lets the Pindos go to Aktau, Kazakhstan will have to forget about any partnership and diplomatic relations with Russia.
    PS At the same time, Iskanders may "unexpectedly" appear in the Astrakhan region.
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  43. Acid
    0
    2 May 2013 22: 10
    And then what is the point of the CSTO and other organizations if there are literally "transit" bases of a potential adversary right next door ???
    1. +2
      2 May 2013 22: 18
      Quote: Acid
      And then what is the point of the CSTO and other organizations if there are literally "transit" bases of a potential adversary right next door ???


      "The Collective Security Treaty Organization believes that the provision of an opportunity for the transit of forces and cargoes of the International Security Assistance Force through the territory and airspace of the CSTO member states is seen as a contribution to stabilizing the situation in Afghanistan and ensuring security in Central Asia," said the Deputy General Secretary of the CSTO Gennady Nevyglas at the International Conference "Northern Route to / from Afghanistan (a) - the Road to Stability", dedicated to the problems of organizing the transit of goods of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), which took place in Moscow on December 3 this year in the mansion of the Russian Foreign Ministry in Moscow on Spiridonovka, said CSTO spokesman Vladimir Zainetdinov.
      "We must not allow Afghanistan to again turn into a hotbed of international terrorism and remain a world drug laboratory. The fight against terrorism, extremism, drug trafficking is impossible without creating conditions for increasing the level of socio-economic development, creating a developed infrastructure, and improving the quality of life," said Gennady Nevyglas.
      1. +1
        2 May 2013 22: 19
        Plenipotentiaries of the CSTO member states, more than 50 representatives from NATO headquarters and the Northern Alliance member states took part in the International Conference "Northern Route to / from Afghanistan (a) - the Road to Stability" organized by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Transport of Russia , including the Ministries of Defense of the USA, Great Britain, Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, the Baltic States, the largest transport companies of Russia "RZD", "Rosavtotrans", "Soyuzvneshtrans", "TransContainer", the Volga-Dnepr airline, which has the largest transport aircraft Ruslan-124-100, as well as major European carriers.
  44. 0
    2 May 2013 22: 37
    I heard about the railway line from Aktau to Iran from Almaty-Khorgos to China, I see the construction of new concrete from China to Russia, I read about the Kars-Tbilisi-Baku railway here. Good: there are more ways to enter the world, more opportunities, and if money is earned on this, it’s good. Well, for now there’s no military component, what’s the base issue? I think the withdrawal will end and the laid routes will be used by business, which is good for my country. If it’s whoever doesn’t like it is their problem (they always think of a knife in the back, probably because they themselves are ready to stick in as they did when they destroyed the USSR, something in those years I didn’t hear from Russian friends that they condemned the Bialowieza troika they all said we’ll get rid of and let us live, one part of the body joyfully got rid of the rest of the body)
    1. lilit.193
      +1
      3 May 2013 23: 36
      Quote: Semurg
      in those years, I did not hear from Russian friends that they condemned the Bialowieza trio, they all said that we would get rid of all the republics and heal, one part of the body joyfully got rid of the rest of the body)

      You must have heard bad then. Well, or they listened ... Or maybe both together.
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  46. nickname 1 and 2
    0
    3 May 2013 12: 28
    Quote: Semurg
    everywhere they see a knife in the back,


    People just want to scratch their tongues!
  47. lilit.193
    +1
    3 May 2013 23: 50
    This is no offense to the guys from Kazakhstan, but something muddy stirs up your Nursultan. Money, of course, is a good thing, and you can earn it by code, then you need to earn it. But only the impression is created that he is ready to serve both ours and yours. Only it all ends badly. In Kyrgyzstan, for example, they also first stuck the base, and then another flower revolution happened there. Although in my opinion, this was not a revolution of tulips, but a revolution of looters. And a lot of people died. And this is not hurt. So let Nazarbayev think well what this money can cost him.
  48. 0
    April 23 2018 17: 57
    Situevina, of course, is not unambiguous, but if you start from simple (not politicized) logic, then there is nothing special about this. An additional source of income. Someone pays for landfills, someone pays for ports. Money is everything.

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