About “Victory with the help of F-16”

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About “Victory with the help of F-16”

Less than a month has passed since I started thinking about hunting drones The Perfect Drone Hunter, and events took on a truly unique form. And the most interesting thing here is that a certain point of view on the events was formed by both Americans and Ukrainians, among those who soberly assess the situation.

It's worth diving into a little history And remember what those Ukrainian politicians said when they were extorting planes for themselves. "We'll sweep it away with an iron broom," "We'll turn the tide of the war," "We'll leave no chance for victory," and so on. Minister Kuleba was especially good, demonstrating that he could put together sentences of more than five words.



Quite a decent amount of time has passed, but what do we actually have?


But in fact, this is how it works: if you take the regions of Central Ukraine, Ternopil, Khmelnytskyi, Vinnytsia, the situation is like this: first, the "Motoshahids" fly. Then, the "Geran" jets. Then the winged ones arrive. missiles and they fly separately from the sea. Defense starts to act out something meaningful, but more and more often this whole circus calmly flies north towards Kyiv and the Dnieper. And after all this flying circus, the stage is taken by aviation APU.


In other words, Ukrainian aircraft drivers are given the order to take off only when everyone is absolutely certain that all is well. The missile carriers have returned to their harbors, the MiG-31s ​​have also headed to their airfields, and there is no threat.

It's all quite logical, because losing the "superweapon" Kyiv had so much hoped for would be simply stupid. And proof of this is yet another Su-27, which failed to evade a Russian air-to-air missile in the Kharkiv region just the other day.

Somehow, it turned out that the "iron broom" of Ukrainian F-16s, which was supposed to sweep everything from the Ukrainian skies, mutated into humble drone hunters. And even then, quietly, so that the enemy wouldn't see them and take advantage of them.

But at least something will work out in this field. Perhaps.


Frankly, so much has been said about the F-16 being a whipping boy in the context of the conflict in Ukraine that I don't want to repeat it. But as a fighter against drones and slow cruise missiles, it's adequate. Although, of course, a cheaper, two-seater aircraft would be more appropriate.

But, as the saying goes, for lack of a maid... An F-16 will do. The million-dollar question arose regarding armament. Destroying Geraniums, which cost $0,05 million, with AIM-120 missiles, which cost $1,095 million, is difficult, even at someone else's expense. It's clear that the US has churned out over 20,000 of these missiles, but that doesn't mean they should be shipped off to Kyiv in droves to shoot down Geraniums.

We must somehow not forget about the economy, and this is not the economy at all.


It is clear that Ukraine is in dire need of inexpensive and mass-produced anti-aircraft systems and anti-drone missiles, therefore APKWS II in combination with F-16 fighters to combat drones and some cruise missiles became almost a light at the end of the tunnel.

Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System II (APKWS II) 70mm laser-guided missiles are now apparently part of the arsenal of Ukrainian F-16 Viper fighters. This comes as no surprise, given that the missiles have provided the Ukrainian Air Force with an extremely valuable and, most importantly, inexpensive option for countering drones and long-range subsonic cruise missiles.


Presumably, the first Ukrainian F-16AM fighters to receive the new armament were aircraft from the 107th Separate Aviation Regiment. A photograph in terrible quality was published on the Avia OFN channel on the social network Telegram. The aircraft's armament, in addition to a pair of 70mm LAU-131/A rocket pods with seven rockets armed with APKWS II missiles, also included AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles and AN/AAQ-33 Sniper Advanced Targeting Pod (ATP).

It's worth noting that Ukraine has been using APKWS II in combat for some time, albeit from ground-based launchers as surface-to-air and surface-to-surface missiles. This hasn't achieved much success, apparently due to guidance issues and the missiles' short range.

The additional capability to launch laser-guided missiles from Ukrainian Air Force F-16 fighters would be a significant asset. Ukrainian Vipers are used to intercept Russian attack drones and long-range cruise missiles, but their effectiveness is very limited.


The APKWS II has not proven to be anything exceptional as an anti-aircraft missile, and it has clear cost advantages over traditional air-to-air missiles.


Each APKWS II missile consists of three main components: a 70mm rocket motor, one of several standard warheads, and a guidance and control unit. The guidance and control unit is the most expensive of the three components, costing approximately $15,000. The warhead and motor add another several thousand dollars to the overall cost, which typically ranges from $20,000 to $25,000. By comparison, modern variants of the AIM-120 cost approximately $1 million per unit, and the latest versions of the AIM-9X cost approximately $500,000.

A version of the APKWS II specifically optimized for airborne use was also developed, variously known as the AGR-20F or the Airborne Fixed-Wing Aircraft Countermeasures (FALCO) system. The FALCO configuration incorporates a high-explosive warhead with a proximity fuse, as well as modifications to the munition's guidance and detection algorithms to improve its effectiveness against aerial threats. It is unknown whether Ukraine has received versions of the APKWS II from FALCO, but most likely not. Deliveries of the first APKWS II models are more likely.

But this, overall, significantly increases the capabilities of Ukrainian aircraft. If, instead of two air-to-air missiles, you hang two Kolobakhs with seven missiles each, that's an extra 12 missiles that can be used against drones. And it's already been noted that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have "double" pylons, which allow two pods to be hung on a single pylon. And this is truly beautiful. Well, almost beautiful.


Using APKWS II as weapons Air-to-air missiles have their limitations, even when used in the Falcon configuration. The missiles don't operate on a "fire and forget" basis, and each target must be kept within the laser beam aimed at it throughout the entire process. This impacts the speed with which aircraft equipped with this weapon can respond to multiple threats. In this case, so-called "buddy tracking," where one aircraft designates a target for another, can be useful.

Overall, using a single-seat F-16 isn't a good idea. A pilot has more to do in combat than keep a drone within the laser rangefinder's sights. That's why Ukrainian aircraft prefer to operate deep behind enemy lines, where the likelihood of Russian missiles appearing is minimal.

APKWS II's prime contractor, BAE Systems, is currently developing a dual-mode guidance package that includes an infrared seeker enabling a "fire and forget" approach, largely to address this very issue. The new guidance option will also enhance the munition's capabilities and flexibility when used in air-to-air or air-to-ground modes. This is a long-term solution, but it's a matter of time.

It's important to emphasize that the APKWS II can be used against drones and subsonic cruise missiles, primarily because these targets are relatively stable in flight, unresponsive to enemy actions, and have lower performance. These missiles are not designed for air-to-air combat.

As mentioned, Ukrainian F-16s can also use APKWS II against ground targets, which is their original purpose. Laser-guided missiles offer similar cost savings and ammunition capacity when used as precision-guided, low-cost air-to-surface munitions, which can be used against stationary or moving targets.

It's important to remember that the APKWS II has a range of no more than 10 km. This means it can engage ground targets, but only in areas where a Wasp or Thor missile won't respond. And they can arrive anywhere. In fact, an archaic laser illumination system 10 km from the front line is simply an invitation for F-16 executioners to line up.

In addition to the APKWS II, the Sniper ATP system itself is another important component for Ukrainian F-16s. The system contains electro-optical and infrared cameras, a laser designator and marker, and can also generate target coordinates for GPS-guided munitions. It can be used for more general air-to-ground surveillance and reconnaissance missions, and also has a secondary capability for detecting and identifying air-to-air targets.


In reality, this is all a "poor man's kit." Clearly, economics is at play here, as the transfer of APKWS II to Kyiv should primarily reduce the need for more traditional and expensive air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles from US and NATO stockpiles.

The situation itself is quite comical: instead of normal aircraft, we have F-16AMs from the first production runs, which I'm sure aren't in the best technical condition, and instead of modern missiles, we have laser-guided NURSs.


Even a Toucan with a mounted radar and Sniper ATP pod would look much more realistic. It's important to understand that the Toucan's top speed is about 700 km/h, its cruising speed is about 500 km/h, and its stall speed is a mere 150 km/h. What does all this mean? It means that the Toucan would be very comfortable in a flock of Geraniums. The aircraft flies at roughly the same speed as the drones, can maneuver quite well, and most importantly, there will be an organism in the cockpit that will keep the UAV in the laser beam and wait for the missile to reach its target.


The F-16AM looks very sad here. Its maximum speed isn't that important; it can catch any aircraft in Ukrainian skies. But its minimum speed is a completely different matter. 300-350 km/h is the F-16's stall speed, and there's nothing you can do about it. So, after catching a swarm of drones, the F-16 pilot finds himself in a difficult situation: on the one hand, he has to somehow aim the laser at the UAV and launch missiles, but on the other, he has to keep the aircraft stable and prevent it from spinning, because the targets (except cruise missiles) are quite slow.

In general, it would all look very funny if it weren't so funny.


The F-16 was positioned as a weapon that could turn the tide of the entire war in Ukraine. "An iron broom," which... The rest can be read in the speeches of a not-so-successful Austrian-born politician, sometime around 1944.

In reality, they turned out to be cowardly fighters, flying only in areas where they definitely couldn't run into an Su-35 or Su-57, not to mention Russian air defense systems. No, the reckless Su-27 pilot who was shot down in the Kharkiv region deserves respect, if only for the fact that he was carried into a real hell. It's hard to say what he was trying to portray, but in any case, his chances weren't great.

And the "heroes" on the much-hyped American planes, chasing the Geraniums in Central Ukraine – oh yes, that's exactly how the tides of wars are turned, that's exactly how wars are won.

They're not very good at handling drones either. It's ridiculous. They've been terrifying us with this, so many "experts" have written so many words, telling us how everything will change. But in reality... In reality, it's just a simulation and nothing more. Well, someone's bills have gone up, but that's none of our business.
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  1. +8
    14 December 2025 05: 20
    The article is rather superficial. I, for one, am not as optimistic as the author. The F-16 is not a bad aircraft, and for
    It's good for us that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have so few of them. I don't know what's going on there or where our drones are flying, but Saratov and Engels were recently subjected to a powerful attack.
    1. 0
      14 December 2025 06: 27
      Quote: fiberboard
      The article is rather superficial. I, for one, am not as optimistic as the author. The F-16 is not a bad aircraft, and for
      It's good for us that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have so few of them. I don't know what's going on there or where our drones are flying, but Saratov and Engels were recently subjected to a powerful attack.

      All this is true, but remember the words of the "maestro" from Leonid Bykov's film: Private Vanya will be the first to sign the Reichstag, and rightfully so! Frankly, I realized for a long time that ALL branches and services of the Armed Forces, including the Navy, were created for only one purpose: supporting infantry on the battlefield! And be that as it may, the war will end neither with the Navy nor the Air Force (don't try to scare me with the Aerospace Forces), but with Private Vanya!
      1. +3
        14 December 2025 12: 47
        ..yeah, especially the Navy...a ton of $$$ was poured into Poseidon, and volunteers are collecting money for armor for the guys for ''0''...I'm not even talking about the surface fleet in the Black Sea (which essentially doesn't exist, but...as for the command with their staff and admirals on the payroll, there are doubts...and ''they sank'' like Kursk once did in the phrase of VVP or... ''more alive than all the living'')...and yes, the enemies are to blame for everything (of course).
      2. +3
        14 December 2025 16: 33
        To be honest, for a very long time I realized that ALL branches and types of the Armed Forces, including the Navy, were created for only one thing: supporting the infantry on the battlefield!


        That's what they think at the General Staff, and in the Kremlin.
        As a result, instead of harshly strangling the economy through port blockades and destroying Ukraine with air strikes in three to four months, our forces have been storming farms and huts for four years now, wasting the irreplaceable lives of soldiers and officers, whose losses have long since reached five zeros. And victory is still as far away as Lent.

        Great strategy, keep it up!

        A personal question: how many soldiers must die for you, for example, to realize that great powers do not fight with manpower?
        Is a million enough?
        1. -5
          15 December 2025 00: 09
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          A personal question: how many soldiers must die for you, for example, to realize that great powers do not fight with manpower?
          Is a million enough?

          A personal response: I only needed to graduate from military school! So I wouldn't be spouting nonsense!
          1. -1
            29 December 2025 14: 08
            So how many dead infantry does it take for people like you to start thinking? It's a simple question.
            1. -3
              30 December 2025 02: 38
              Tell me, can you read? I already understand that you know the letters, but can you understand the meaning of what you read? Or did you just skim it and then just "stigmatize" it? Let me clarify the meaning of my post for you personally: No matter how powerful the Navy, Air Force, artillery, armored forces, etc. (you can destroy them all), it's the infantryman who puts the finishing touches! If you can't see that, then I have some vague suspicions about your age.
            2. 0
              30 December 2025 05: 19
              So you've answered! Let's say I didn't expect anything else!
        2. 0
          15 December 2025 15: 21
          The main damage should be inflicted by carriers of high-precision weapons (or, in the most extreme case, carriers of WMD), and infantry is needed to hold territory and finish off the enemy...
          1. +2
            29 December 2025 14: 09
            Well, this guy from the top writes that we should fight with infantry, not with all this stuff. And he graduated from a military academy.
      3. +2
        14 December 2025 19: 02
        I completely agree. My grandfather, an infantryman, signed the Reichstag. I'm certainly not destined to be one, but I didn't sit on the couch ("Steel Brigade" 116th Special Forces).
    2. +7
      14 December 2025 06: 57
      Quote: fiberboard
      The F-16 is not a bad plane.

      Well, the article doesn't say that it's bad, but it's just not very suitable for fighting Geraniums, simply because it was created for other purposes.
      1. +2
        14 December 2025 11: 58
        Well, the article doesn't say that it's bad, but it's just not very suitable for fighting Geraniums, simply because it was created for other purposes.

        Which he does quite well. wink They see the sky as soon as there are takeoffs from our side, and right there from the depths, from underground airfields - F-16s. angry It is a multifunctional platform and is currently serving as an air defense fighter, as was originally intended.
        1. -4
          14 December 2025 12: 13
          Quote: Arzt
          Which he does quite well.

          Which ones—the ones it was created for, or the fight against Geraniums? I can't say anything about the former, and if it's the latter, then not so much.
          1. -1
            14 December 2025 18: 44
            Which ones—the ones it was created for, or the fight against Geraniums? I can't say anything about the former, and if it's the latter, then not so much.

            With those for which it was created - fighting enemy aircraft. Since aircraft don't fly there (due to the F-16, among other things) wink ), all that's left is to chase after the Calibers and Geraniums, sometimes, yes, bumping into them. laughing
            1. -2
              14 December 2025 21: 00
              Quote: Arzt
              sometimes yes, bumping into them

              This is what we are talking about.
          2. +1
            14 December 2025 23: 24
            In NATO, the F-16 is the main component of the air and missile defense system against cruise missiles. I'm not sure about the Ukrainian F-16s, as far as the advanced active electronically scanned array (AESA) they have, but at a certain level, the Blok 50/52 AESA can detect distant and highly radio-contrasting targets, like cruise missiles.
            1. 0
              15 December 2025 19: 16
              Quote: karabas-barabas
              In NATO, the F-16 is the main component of the air/missile defense against cruise missiles.

              Maybe from missiles, I can’t say anything, but they weren’t designed against UAVs.
        2. -5
          14 December 2025 13: 11
          Quote: Arzt
          Which he handles quite well. They see the sky as soon as they take off from our side, and then, from the depths, from underground airfields, come F-16s. It's a multifunctional platform, and it's currently serving as an air defense fighter, as was originally intended.


          It's as weak as a bullet in terms of air defense. The first fighter jet ever shot down by a slow-moving drone.
          So, how many aerial victories has this Fu-16 claimed over Ukraine? Are there any losses yet? Where are the aerial victories?
          1. 0
            14 December 2025 18: 49
            It's as weak as a bullet in terms of air defense. The first fighter jet ever shot down by a slow-moving drone.
            So, how many aerial victories has this Fu-16 claimed over Ukraine? Are there any losses yet? Where are the aerial victories?

            There are no victories, no one to fight. All our aircraft are operating from the depths, including because of the F-16s. Yes
            It's an ancient aircraft, but it's equipped with the Link 16 system—communication and data feeds from all their radars in the area, including satellites. Any missile launched from it is intercepted and guided to its target at its maximum range.
            With such a system, even the Phantom will be dangerous. soldier
            1. -1
              14 December 2025 21: 01
              Quote: Arzt
              All our aviation operates from the depths, including because of the F-16.

              Not quite. She had to switch to this tactic when there was no sign of any F16s in Ukraine.
            2. 0
              16 December 2025 07: 55
              Bullshit. Our fighters flew over Ukraine when there were people to destroy. And when there weren't any, well, why waste time burning kerosene?
              It's the F-16s that are operating (if they're operating at all) somewhere in western Ukraine. Intercepting drones is fortunately not as risky as fighting fighters. Otherwise, F-16s and other Western "hawks" would be showing up near LBS, from where they could target our Su-27s with missiles over Russian territory. But it's clearly the Ukrainian pilots who are playing fast and loose.

              So what's the point? Any launched missile can still be intercepted, especially since there are only a few such launchers.
              1. +1
                16 December 2025 13: 09
                Bullshit. Our fighters flew over Ukraine when there were people to destroy. And when there weren't any, well, why waste time burning kerosene?
                It's the F-16s that are operating (if they're operating at all) somewhere in western Ukraine. Intercepting drones is fortunately not as risky as fighting fighters. Otherwise, F-16s and other Western "hawks" would be showing up near LBS, from where they could target our Su-27s with missiles over Russian territory. But it's clearly the Ukrainian pilots who are playing fast and loose.

                So what's the point? Any launched missile can still be intercepted, especially since there are only a few such launchers.

                Well, then why can't we see our guys over Kyiv? They could at least have scared us and walked along Khreshchatyk. laughing Why bother making guided bombs? Just use regular ones and fly to Lviv. wink

                As one guy rightly pointed out here, what our expensive bombers are doing now could have been done by a Su-7B from the 50s. The skies over the Outskirts are not ours. request
                1. 0
                  16 December 2025 13: 31
                  Why would fighter jets fly over Kyiv? If all the missions could be accomplished with drones and missiles?
                  What do you mean, "improvised"? The whole world is trying to create such devices. They're very useful, quite effective, and not very expensive. If we think about it that way, then air-to-surface missiles aren't necessary either?

                  The guy wrote nonsense, and you're repeating it. And the skies over Ukraine are perfectly ours, if those F-16s are hiding somewhere and not flying near LBS. And how to exploit our air dominance—the experts know better than internet hamsters.
    3. -6
      14 December 2025 08: 46
      Quote: fiberboard
      For example, I'm not as optimistic as the author. The F-16 is not a bad plane, and for
      It's good for us that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have few of them yet.

      Not bad, but the domestic aviation fleet is no worse and is actively working to ensure that the 16th will have no time to breathe.

      Quote: fiberboard
      I don’t know what’s going on there or where our drones are flying, but Saratov and Engels were recently subjected to a powerful attack.

      I don’t know about Engels, but Odessa has been under attack for several days and is without power, and another ship was hit in the port.
  2. +2
    14 December 2025 07: 28
    I wonder if F-16s can fly around Ukraine as they please. Why can't Su-35s, Su-30s, and Su-57s fly there as they please???????. Four years have passed since the start of the Second World War...
    1. 0
      14 December 2025 08: 29
      Another way to put the question is: why, despite the enormous intelligence (no one can compare to the United States in the number and quality of its reconnaissance satellites and aircraft, plus other NATO countries are making their own contributions), technical (advanced communications systems, data processing, command and control, etc.), and organizational (I believe the best military minds in the West are planning operations jointly with the Ukrainians) support from other countries, has Ukraine failed to turn the tide of the fighting? Why, despite the enormous sanctions pressure and the ongoing military operations, does the overwhelming majority of Russian citizens seem to be oblivious to the war?
      There is no need to demand more than what people can do.
    2. 0
      14 December 2025 11: 28
      I wonder if F-16s can fly around Ukraine as they please. Why can't Su-35s, Su-30s, and Su-57s fly there as they please???????. Four years have passed since the start of the Second World War...

      Well, that's precisely because there are F-16s there. wink Its use was immediately announced as an air defense fighter. Yes

      Ukraine is on the defensive, its primary objective being deterrence. With occasional minor, irritating attacks.

      There is no strength to recapture the territory, so a wait-and-see strategy has been chosen, in the hopes of exhausting the Russian economy. Yes
    3. -1
      14 December 2025 12: 14
      Quote: Yuri L
      I wonder if F-16s fly around Ukraine as they please. Why don't Su-35s, Su-30s, and Su-57s fly there as they please?

      Why don't the F-16s fly around Russia as they please?
    4. -3
      14 December 2025 12: 55
      and I wonder why... that the 404 air defense is not suppressed.. or "almost"... like in everything.. almost taken.. almost captured.. for example, the Americans had an F-111 that flew in "terrain following" mode at ~ 100 m over both Vietnam and Iraq... and no air defense could get it.. and our analogue Su-24.. and the question is why... or is it impossible to approach from the Black Sea and destroy... finally Odessa not with drones with their ~ 90 kg of explosives, but with 2-3 tons of ODAB..
      P.S.. I'm glad they've (finally) stopped entertaining us with videos of helicopters in action... a salvo of NURS during pitching and... so what???
      1. -1
        14 December 2025 14: 45
        Quote: WapentakeLokki
        For example, the Americans had an F-111 that flew in "terrain following" mode at ~100 m over both Vietnam and Iraq... and no air defense could reach it.

        When the Americans sent six F-111s to Vietnam for military testing, they lost two of them in a short period of time (about a month, as I recall). Initially, they thought they were due to equipment failure or pilot error, but it turned out they were shot down.
        Although I agree 100% that the F-111 was an effective strike aircraft.
      2. +1
        14 December 2025 16: 55
        From the Black Sea side, the Su-24s will be in full view.
  3. G17
    +9
    14 December 2025 07: 39
    Again, this fabricated myth about the enemy trying to use the F-16 to turn the tide of the war in their favor. Never once have the Ukrainian fascists mentioned this. At this stage, they need the F-16 a) as a unified airborne combat system capable of carrying the entire range of NATO weapons (primarily glide bombs, videos of which the enemy regularly posts online of strikes on our positions); b) as the future unified aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force, since all Soviet Su-27s, MiG-29s, and Su-24s are already too old and have suffered heavy losses over the past four years; and c) to hunt for our Geraniums and Kalibr missiles deep in the rear. Finally, when the time comes, the F-16s will serve as excellent cover for the emergence of far more modern F-16 models in the Ukrainian Air Force, with more modern weapons and pilots from NATO countries in the cockpits, not poorly trained Ukrainian ones. Only then will the NATO-Ukraine alliance truly attempt to gain air superiority. But at this stage of the war, there are no such plans.
    1. 0
      14 December 2025 08: 17
      They said this about almost every type of Western weapon, from Javelins to the F-16.
    2. -6
      14 December 2025 08: 43
      Quote: G17
      Again, this invented myth about the enemy trying to use F-16s to turn the tide of the war in their favor. Never once have the Ukrainian fascists mentioned this.

      Is this a similar situation to "Kyiv in three days"?

      Quote: G17
      a) as a single flying combat system capable of carrying the entire range of NATO weapons (primarily glide bombs, videos of which the enemy regularly posts online of strikes on our positions with them)

      I think it's not so much a matter of unification (they didn't abandon French aircraft and wouldn't abandon other, more advanced aircraft), but rather the need to obtain more modern aircraft against the backdrop of the old Soviet aircraft's exhaustion of their resources.
      As for footage of bombs being dropped, they do exist, but the number of such attacks pales in comparison to the effectiveness of the domestic Aerospace Forces.

      Quote: G17
      Only then will the NATO-Ukraine alliance truly attempt to gain air superiority. But at this stage of the war, there are no such plans.

      Here, too, it's not so much a matter of plans as a simple lack of ability to implement such a plan without losses unacceptable to the West. Moreover, it's entirely possible that the F16 fleet will be seriously depleted, and they won't be able to maintain their military branch, let alone achieve air superiority.
      1. -2
        14 December 2025 12: 15
        Quote: NordOst16
        Is this a similar situation to "Kyiv in three days"?

        An American general said this.
  4. 0
    14 December 2025 09: 40
    And someone again, we won't show you, has come up with a whole bunch of stuff and is tilting at these imaginary windmills. For money (what can you do, it's capitalism. Profit, money, happiness...)

    No statistics or anything else – good, bad, they fight UAVs... just a regurgitation of what's already known...
    fu
    minus.
  5. 0
    14 December 2025 09: 49
    an infrared homing head, allowing for a "fire and forget" principle,

    And it works!! Bam! "Sidewinder", with a price to match.
  6. -1
    14 December 2025 10: 09
    Another "I believe it - I don't believe it" debate...
    In fact... the drone threat exists for everyone and there is no way to mitigate it, partially, completely, COMPLETELY... it's up to each person to their own devices... although no one can do it completely and COMPLETELY!
    Aviation... it's not all that clear-cut either, although trying to fly into places where the enemy has serious air defense is a mediocre idea, most likely a failure.
  7. +2
    14 December 2025 11: 25
    The conclusions are incorrect.
    The Israeli Air Force has been using the same F-16s for decades to conduct complex and long-range operations. They can be used to deceive air defenses, conduct precision strikes, and engage in aerial combat.
    Ukraine doesn't use them outside its borders to avoid irritating the Americans. They could cut off weapons supplies if F-16s were spotted over the Krasnodar Krai or Voronezh. And, of course, that would entail losses—war.
    But possible losses won't affect the F-16's reputation in any way: they've been in combat for over 40 years. They've been shot down many times, and they've shot down many times.
    1. -6
      14 December 2025 12: 17
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Ukraine does not use them outside its borders.
      Yes, yes, yes... I've heard this somewhere before.
    2. -2
      14 December 2025 13: 18
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The Israeli Air Force has been using the same F-16s for decades to conduct complex and long-range operations. They can be used to deceive air defenses, conduct precision strikes, and engage in aerial combat.


      And sometimes we would take the final turn ourselves, if the MiG was piloted by a Soviet pilot and not by yesterday's camel driver.
      Even if you give the Arabs the most modern Western fighter jets, the results won't change much. Not everyone is cut out to fly and fight well, that's all.
  8. -1
    14 December 2025 13: 14
    Quote: Arzt
    Well, that's precisely because there are F-16s there.


    No, that's definitely not why. It's just that our fighters have nothing much to do; there's no one left to fight.

    With the "ghost of Kyiv"? Even the Ukrainian generals admitted it was just a fake.
    The Ukrainian Air Force achieves victories exclusively in computer games.
  9. -2
    14 December 2025 13: 36
    He can catch up with any aircraft in the skies of Ukraine.
    Even a dagger?
  10. -2
    14 December 2025 13: 59
    We need to make air defense Geraniums...
  11. +1
    14 December 2025 16: 31
    The toucan is a beauty! Something tells me there's a future for planes like this. The extra armor was handled beautifully, too.
    True, these are planes for a one-time use in a major war. This isn't Ukraine, after all; they're unlikely to waste four years on the subject. They'll quickly move on to more compelling arguments. And then the Tucons won't be needed anymore.
    But if you let your imagination run wild...
    Such aircraft could prove effective in conjunction with a detection system.
    For example, acoustic systems. Whether such systems will be built is a big question. But again, let's fantasize...
    What distinguishes low-flying targets like drones and cruise missiles? Very specific sounds. A propeller, a jet engine... Detect, compare with databases, report. Or, conversely, report and then compare with the database.
    Difficulties? Of course there are. For example, the short range of sound propagation. Therefore, there must be many sensors. Therefore, they must be inexpensive. And they must be networked...
    What comes to mind?
    And the cell towers. They detected certain characteristic sounds and transmitted them to the center. The center analyzed them, comparing them with the database. Knowing the tower coordinates, it calculated the approximate route and issued an alarm, along with approximate information about where and when the target could be encountered. And now the duty Tukonchik is already starting his engine...
    What could a basic sensor be?
    Four microphones with amplifiers. A microcontroller. Communications. I don't think it's that expensive.
    Difficulties? Of course there will be. Those same interdepartmental bureaucratic obstacles, for example.
    Let me repeat, I'm not at all sure such systems are necessary. There's no doubt they can be implemented. On a national scale, it's certainly expensive. But it's not at all necessary to equip every cell tower with such a system. On certain routes, across several echelons...
    And then the same CRs will have less chance of breaking through.
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    14 December 2025 20: 39
    Nothing will help the Ukrainians anymore, and we need a lot of good planes and missiles to confront Gayrope. Soon, the bastards will come running in droves.
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    16 December 2025 08: 00
    Quote: Captain Pushkin
    Although I agree 100% that the F-111 was an effective strike aircraft.


    Well, I disagree. As it turns out, the US Air Force command disagrees with this assertion, too. After the epic failure of the attempt to eliminate Gaddafi, in which these F-111s participated, they completely lost interest in him.
    Effective combat equipment isn't removed from production and service so quickly. In terms of cost-effectiveness, this aircraft has proven to be a mediocre performer. Attempts to develop a "Eurostrategic" bomber based on it (similar to our Tu-22M) also proved unsuccessful. Otherwise, the Yankees would still be using it.