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Media: The Ministry of Defense will purchase an amphibious transporter based on the T-80 tank

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The Ministry of Defense of Russia began the procedure for agreeing on working documentation for determining the parameters of the state order for the world's only heavy floating conveyor PTS-4 weighing almost 35 tons and carrying capacity up to 18 tons, writes on Tuesday, "Izvestia".


Media: The Ministry of Defense will purchase an amphibious transporter based on the T-80 tank


According to a source in the Ministry of Defense, PTS-4 amphibians will be included in the state defense order in 2014.

The vehicles are intended for engineer battalions of motorized rifle and tank brigades, and the exact number and delivery time will be determined closer to autumn, Izvestia notes.

“We have a lot of problems with floating transporters. On the supply of the Ministry of Defense are PTS-2 and PTS-3 release 1970 – 1980-s. They were made in the Ukrainian Lugansk. 70% is either broken or developed a resource, ”a source said.

As the publication emphasizes, in addition to direct assignment, PTS is used in everyday military life as ordinary trucks, which reduces their service life.

“In fact, there is nowhere and nothing to repair Lugansk vehicles, since they use units of the T-64 tank, which has been taken out of production,” the ministry spokesman added.

According to a source in the defense industry, work on the PTS-4 began in 2009, by order of the Ministry of Defense, in 2011, the car passed state tests.

“The use of serial tank units facilitates the design and mass production of floating conveyors. The PTS-4 tracks, tracks, torsions - from T-80, and friction, gearbox - from T-72. The engine is also a tank, with a capacity of 840 l. with. ”, - he said.

Thanks to the tank engine and undercarriage, the amphibian has the same patency as the T-80. The transport compartment includes any BMP, armored personnel carriers and trucks, explains the publication.

PTS-4 was created by the Omsk Transport Engineering Design Bureau, which is part of Uralvagonzavod Corporation. A representative of the bureau confirmed that the machine is ready for production, but stressed that everything depends on the parameters of the order of the Ministry of Defense.

And in the corporation "Uralvagonzavod" they say that negotiations with the military are conducted not only on amphibians, but also "on a number of means of engineering armament."

“The rear teams carry a large number of conventional trucks. If necessary, floating conveyors will not be enough to transfer across the river, you still need to seize bridges and build pontoons. The experience of the war in Iraq in 2003 showed that now there is no need to create a large density of troops, prepared by the army to capture the bridge is not a problem, ”the expert explained.

According to him, for disembarking from the sea it is more optimal to use floating BMPs like the American AAVP-7 or hovercraft, and transport amphibians do not play a special role.






Designed for amphibious crossing through the water obstacles of artillery systems, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, tractors, vehicles, personnel and various cargoes.

Specifications:
Mass, t 33,145
Seats in the cab, pcs. Xnumx
Engine, power, hp Xnumx

Load capacity, t:
- on land 12
- on the water and approaches in the water barrier 18

Maximum speed km / h:
- on land 60
- on water 15

Dimensions of the cargo platform, mm .:
- length 8280
- 3300 width

Cruising range:
- on land, km 587
- on water, h 10,6

ARMAMENT:

Closed anti-aircraft installation:
- caliber, mm 12,7
- ammunition, pcs 400
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  1. svp67
    svp67 2 May 2013 06: 24
    +5
    Very necessary equipment in the army, especially for ours. News +
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 2 May 2013 07: 37
      13 th
      Quote: svp67
      Very necessary equipment in the army, especially for ours.

      And why is it needed, let me curiosity?
      1. svp67
        svp67 2 May 2013 07: 43
        +4
        Quote: Vladimirets
        And why is it needed, let me curiosity?
        Yes, in order not to "wet your feet" when any river or lake is on the way, but there is no bridge. But there are many water barriers both in our country and in the immediate borderland ...
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 2 May 2013 08: 14
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          Yes, in order not to "wet your feet" when any river or lake is on the way, but there is no bridge. But there are many water barriers both in our country and in the immediate borderland ...

          Small rivers are forced, as a rule, ford, provided that there are no bridges. Any significant water barriers are forced with the construction of pontoon bridges. Even several such conveyors across the river, along with loading and unloading, will be dragged for a very long time.
          1. sakmagon
            sakmagon 2 May 2013 08: 40
            +9
            In theory, you can justify anything, in fact, provided that we serve not in sugar, the machine is very necessary and in demand and without it, it’s personal experience and not only mine, while we even didn’t need to grab bridges - take it and use it if there is
          2. svp67
            svp67 2 May 2013 11: 07
            +6
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Even several such conveyors across the river, along with loading and unloading, will be dragged for a very long time.
            Yes, yes ... Brody - mined and taken "for control", so not on every ford it will be possible to overcome the river. Further - in order to establish a pontoon crossing, you need to "catch" on the opposite bank, again you will have to swim. And after the pontoon crossing begins to operate, these machines will come in handy, since the capacity of the crossings is not unlimited, but from how quickly it grows the number of troops on the beachhead depends a lot ...
          3. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 2 May 2013 12: 57
            0
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Any significant water barriers are forced with the construction of pontoon bridges.

            When building pontoon bridges, a similar technique is used as an auxiliary.
      2. Canep
        Canep 2 May 2013 10: 28
        11
        Its purpose is to transfer to the bridgehead (or vice versa) the equipment that cannot swim, with the exception of tanks (for them there is a GPS), as well as the supply of ammunition, until the opportunity to build a pontoon bridge appears. A pontoon bridge can be built only when there is no danger of shelling it with enemy artillery.
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    2. Romn
      Romn 2 May 2013 19: 34
      0
      Good technology does not happen much, keep it up!
  2. waisson
    waisson 2 May 2013 06: 26
    +1
    According to Izvestia, the military department intends to prepare documents for the inclusion of amphibians in the state defense order for 2014. In 2014 it will be included and production will be launched in 2015 and 2016 will enter the troops as slowly. The machine is needed
  3. Tartary
    Tartary 2 May 2013 07: 14
    +2
    Dreamed of such in the 90s - a forest through the river. Cupid to transfer from hard-to-reach areas of harvesting ... 40 cubes could take at a time ...
    Thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 2 May 2013 07: 23
      +1
      We have the 5 year for sale on one of the streets. I don’t know 2 or 3. But worth it. Come buy!
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 2 May 2013 15: 33
        -2
        Quote: Wedmak
        We have the 5 year for sale on one of the streets. I don’t know 2 or 3. But worth it. Come buy!

        Thank you, of course ... But for almost two five-year periods I have not been engaged in logging - everyone was raked by the fowls near the new Forest Code and the functionaries of the local permitting system, howling since 1995 about the barbaric harvesting / export of "Manchurian ash" and "Korean oak" - a special, incomparable value of the Far East ...))))))))))))))) For me, this is THEIR fight both for the fields overgrown with wormwood - and the "Manchurian" ash))) ) - wormwood-wormwood-weed ... Oak, of course, as a fodder tree - the situation is different, but still ...
        How many rug-tugriks asks the owner, for this miracle is wonderful not far from you ??????????
  4. BARKAS
    BARKAS 2 May 2013 09: 37
    +6
    It’s not a problem to train a trained army, ”the specialist explained.

    Another trained army will simply blow up the bridge, but in general the machine is needed in the Ministry for Emergencies to evacuate the population during floods.
  5. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 2 May 2013 09: 37
    17
    Listen to yourself - well, why in the market turn the topic of technology that you absolutely do not know?!?!?!
    Itself is very correct, but when they write comments about how to simply write comments with a smart look, squeezing them out of their fantasies ...
    Discuss whether TCP is needed or not ... listen, but were you in the army at all? Have you been to the crossing at least once? PMP, GSP, PTS, BTS have seen with their own eyes ???

    PTS - medium floating conveyor.
    An indispensable workhorse included in the engineering and combat engineer battalions.
    - Crossing from prepared and unprepared shores of any water barriers both in the rear and under enemy fire (PTS-2, 12.)
    - Providing rescue and emergency operations.
    “A bunch of other crap.” This hippopotamus roaring like a mammoth shoves practically any technique into itself (plus a floating trailer is possible) and rushing, spitting on the terrain, both by land and water.
    PTS instantly enters the water, without deployment, like GPS or sapper boats. He saved lives. At the moment, it is indispensable. Therefore, it is needed.

    With underwater driving of tank units on both banks, BSTs and PTSs are always on duty as emergency means

    They talk about the need for TCP ... The same to me, military damn it.
    Sorry, well, I’m really a beast when I read such comments of such “military” specialists (to whom he belongs, he understood) ... The fighters will understand. Civilian spaxes - no.


    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 2 May 2013 10: 16
      +4
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Listen to yourself - well, why in the market turn the topic of technology that you absolutely do not know?!?!?!

      Sounds good!
      It is difficult to disagree with you, but I dare to express on my own behalf the opinion of many members of the forum. Yes. People come to the forum for different purposes, most of them even get the opinion of "experts" in certain areas and ask some questions. And comments like yours are only to help. And as for the "bazaar", then excuse me - "pluralism of opinions."
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Discuss whether TCP is needed or not ... listen, but were you in the army at all? Have you been to the crossing at least once? PMP, GSP, PTS, BTS have seen with their own eyes ???

      You are very critical in relation to the others who, well, have never seen anything of the above in my life (I am only once near Gorodets, Nizhny Novgorod Region), but would like to see it. And the video uploaded to the forum by one of those present will only be of help to them. (Saves time for searching the network).

      Quote: Aleks tv
      Sorry, well, I’m really a beast when I read such comments of such “military” specialists (to whom he belongs, he understood) ... The fighters will understand. Civilian spaxes - no.

      Don't get the idea that I'm sending you where, but there are enough resources on the net where narrowly focused issues are discussed more "meaningfully". There "flood" is excluded both by moderation and by complete misunderstanding of the issue of discussion by amateurs. Although adequate "naive" questions often lead to getting answers to them from specialists.

      Shl. A little bit of "satire and humor" excuse me ????? Do not immediately scold "fatherly"))))). ... ... ...
      What do you say about this? -
      here is a tank for you
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 2 May 2013 10: 29
        +2
        Well I'm not in a complaint, Vadim.
        But to read komenty, which are written for the sake of komenty on the military forum ... you just feel that on a bench with your grandmothers you husk seeds. This is what it is doing.

        And Enta "machine" (TCP) I remember very much at one time.


        Quote: Rustiger
        What do you say about this? -

        There it is written: "this crap is capable of killing up to 20 people by its appearance alone." smile Thanks for the humor.

        A good TCP video is not enough in the internet:
        1. avt
          avt 2 May 2013 10: 53
          +5
          Quote: Aleks tv
          But to read comments that are written for the sake of comments on the military forum ...

          Put a minus and do not boil your brain, it is your one for life. laughing Well, your comment is correct. There is nothing to discuss in general request the presence of such machines is a vital necessity.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 May 2013 11: 07
            +4
            Quote: avt
            the presence of such machines is a vital necessity.

            In Chechnya, ammunition was delivered to PTSs. The mud is terrible, "wheels" were unrealistic to use.

            And therefore, when they entered the second time at the end of the summer of 2000 through the Dzhairakh Gorge, the apparatuses also took with them. I don’t remember two or three. One of them knocked down a gas pipe on its way to the Daryal UTs. Shucher was ...
            1. bask
              bask 2 May 2013 18: 49
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              therefore, when they entered the second time at the end of the summer of 2000 through the Dzhairakh Gorge, the devices also took with them.

              It would be better for these purposes, an armored version of the 2-link all-terrain vehicle D-30/10, Vityaz ,,
              In Afghanistan, the British use the armored all-terrain vehicle BVS-10 VIKING.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 2 May 2013 18: 58
                0
                What happened was taken. "Knights" have not seen there. Although I read that there were

                Welcome.
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                2. bask
                  bask 2 May 2013 20: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  What happened was taken. "Knights" have not seen there. Although I read that there were

                  And YOU hi .With the past May 1st. And D-30/10, Vityaz is in service?
                  Mshina is just super. For transportation of equipment, ammunition, soldier. You need a reservation.

                  Once again about the BvS10 Mk II amphibious armored personnel carrier.
                  "" "The BvS10 Mk II is similar to the original BvS10. The hull of the BvS10 Viking Mk II consists of steel armor plates that provide primary protection against 7,62mm AP rounds and 152mm artillery shell fragments with a range of over 10 meters. BvS10 Mk II can be equipped with additional protection wich to increase the level of protection to 2a / 2b against mines and improvised explosive devices (improvised explosive devices).
                  Inside the corpus.

                  [media = http: //www.armyrecognition.com/united_kingdom_british_army_light_armoured
                  _vehicle / bvs10_mk_ii_all-terrain_amphibious_armoured_vehicle_technical_data_shee
                  t_specifications_pic]
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 2 May 2013 20: 19
                    0
                    BvS10 MkII only the British have. In small quantities. The rest have a basic machine, which is nothing special.
        2. Dmitry 2246
          Dmitry 2246 2 May 2013 16: 39
          0
          Direct solarium smelled like in his youth on the "float". Thanks!
        3. Rustiger
          Rustiger 3 May 2013 00: 39
          +1
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Thanks for the humor.

          And you, Lesh, for the video, as well as for other chelam who are "in the subject."
          For the sake of this, it’s worth going to the forum, because Articles do not always provide a complete picture of the issue.
          Not everyone was lucky enough to "ride" in a tank. I don't think you can get me in for sure. The head will stick out of the hatch, which is not good - the rest of the crew will overcome drafts laughing
          My destiny is ocean expanses and cormorants who have eaten up in bays. . . recourse
      2. Phantom Revolution
        2 May 2013 16: 03
        +1
        Quote: Rustiger
        Shl. A little bit of "satire and humor" excuse me ????? Do not immediately scold "fatherly"))))). ... ... ...
        What do you say about this? -

        This is Photoshop. your cep.
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn 2 May 2013 17: 15
          0
          your cep.

          Always dreamed of saying this phrase: THANKS CAP!
          1. Phantom Revolution
            2 May 2013 21: 42
            0
            Quote: cth; fyn
            Always dreamed of saying this phrase: THANKS CAP!

            topwar.ru - dreams come true.)
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            2. Rustiger
              Rustiger 3 May 2013 00: 16
              0
              Quote: Phantom Revolution
              This is Photoshop. your cep

              Yes nuuuu, "our CEP", you say too. ... ... Pure "truth", I saw it myself! fellow
              The brush. . . laughing hi
              Sinful. I "dabble" myself sometimes, mainly at work, when the employer pays for the working hours yes
              That masterpiece is not mine. But I spent literally half an hour on this -

              Say that is not true? Then I can send a screenshot from my driver’s license. Just cut out the face and added to. . . Even the besk is not mine, I was demobilized in an officer cap.
              1. Phantom Revolution
                3 May 2013 01: 05
                0
                Quote: Rustiger
                Say that is not true? Then I can send a screenshot from my driver’s license. Just cut out the face and added to. . . Even the besk is not mine, I was demobilized in an officer cap.

                Yes, I myself sometimes indulge in Photoshop, but for the time being purely for inspiration and soul) Photo of norms, only if you do not increase the size) Otherwise, the collar joint is very striking)
          2. Rustiger
            Rustiger 3 May 2013 00: 27
            +3
            Quote: cth; fyn
            Always dreamed of saying this phrase:

            Are you talking about photoshop? Do not believe it! These are all the machinations of the world bourgeoisie yes laughing
            Here is proof from yesterday's "May Day" recently departed and
            a well-known policewoman pensioner who advises our defense industry on robotics issues. hi Photographed by the paparazzi from the m / v "Baltic".
            I wonder what they chew on there? what
            1. Phantom Revolution
              3 May 2013 01: 07
              0
              Quote: Rustiger
              Are you talking about photoshop? Do not believe it! These are all the machinations of the world bourgeoisie yes laughing
              Here is proof from yesterday's "May Day" recently departed and

              Here it is "a chatterbox find for a spy!)" Well this is a military secret, and you laid it out as if in the spirit!)
  6. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 2 May 2013 09: 55
    +3
    This is a photo of the first modification of the TCP, the workhorse of sappers:

    Full respect for this moment.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 2 May 2013 10: 28
      +3
      I saw such a machine many times near standing in storage and once in operation, in the mid-90s during a flood in Tobol it most effectively removed people from the flood zone, then I found out that this was the first rescue operation of the Ministry of Emergencies created several months before .
  7. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 2 May 2013 09: 57
    +1
    The machine, of course, is necessary, BUT the FAQ is bent again in the headline about its UNIQUENESS and uniqueness ... the question is exclusively to the bordographer ??? Put rap in search engines on this topic and get more or less adequate picture on the exhaust.
    And what's that ???
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 2 May 2013 10: 06
      +6
      Quote: viktor_ui
      And what's that ???


      This is a car of its class.

      Title - another.
      And the transfer of 18 tons without preparation to the other shore is its uniqueness.
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 2 May 2013 12: 08
        +1
        Let me ask. Is he (TCP) armored?
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 2 May 2013 12: 48
          +3
          Quote: Patton5
          Is he (TCP) armored?


          Title and Title no.

          The PTS-2 has an armored cabin, this can be seen from the side: the side of the cabin is smooth, and then the corrugated iron body begins.
          I will assume that the PTS-4 is the same.

          It is difficult to make a fully armored car, and it’s not really necessary, this is not its main purpose.
          It really is the workhorse of a wide range of tasks. What they just didn’t do ...
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 2 May 2013 10: 09
      +3
      Quote: viktor_ui
      And what's that ???

      This is the same junk, only American. The tracked armored personnel carrier LVTP-7 was created for the US Marine Corps. In total, about 70 units were delivered to formations and units (in the early 940s). In addition, a small number of armored personnel carriers were purchased by Italy, Spain and Thailand.
      For this, they no longer design a replacement - they already have a replacement !!! AAAV (EFV)
      1. avt
        avt 2 May 2013 10: 55
        +3
        Quote: APASUS
        For this, they no longer design a replacement - they already have a replacement !!! AAAV (EFV)

        request So it seems they refused to let him into the series, or not?
      2. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 2 May 2013 11: 10
        +1
        APASUS is your 5th generation cruise ship in your photo and certainly not from the 70s. I do not believe you drinks
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 2 May 2013 13: 34
          0
          Quote: viktor_ui
          APASUS is your 5th generation cruise ship in your photo and certainly not from the 70s. I do not believe you

          This is my comment to LVTP-7 from your photo.
        2. BARKAS
          BARKAS 2 May 2013 14: 11
          +1
          Quote: viktor_ui
          finally your photo is a 5th generation cruise ship and certainly not from the 70s.

          So even earlier we had developments on this topic, an interesting video in the 6th minute
    3. Phantom Revolution
      2 May 2013 21: 19
      0
      Quote: viktor_ui
      The machine, of course, is necessary, BUT the FAQ is again bent in the header about its UNIQUENESS and uniqueness ...

      AAV-7A1 AMTRAC does not transport what TCP can translate, its capabilities are listed at the bottom of the pictures. But yes, the AAV-7A1 AMTRAC is more suitable for infantry, due to its closed nature.
  8. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 2 May 2013 10: 05
    +3
    And this miracle is already available. As a power plant, a MT883Ka-523 turbocharged diesel engine is used, capable of developing a record power of 2700 hp. (when moving on water) and 850 liters. with. (on the shore). Speed ​​up to 72 km / h on land or up to 46 km / h afloat. The capacity of the fuel tanks is 1506 liters, the range is 643 km (on the highway) and 120 km (afloat). The crew of three people and 18 marines in combat equipment.
    The data was blown away with the kind permission of the "Bulletin of Mordovia"
    The holiday yesterday clearly succeeded once in a polemic harnessed drinks
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 2 May 2013 10: 11
      +7
      Quote: viktor_ui
      And this is a miracle of judo


      Well, do not mix you cars of different classes.

      These are machines for just different purposes. There is nothing to "pilimize" here.
      1. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 2 May 2013 11: 05
        +1
        Aleks TV is of course a different class in everything and I am very sales sure that 18 marines will approach the local theater several times faster and their efficiency will be an order of magnitude higher than that of one BMP-3 (if I'm not mistaken).
        1. Patton5
          Patton5 2 May 2013 12: 13
          +2
          It will be, it will be .... but this topic was turned into a long box, it turned out that this miracle was not needed
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 2 May 2013 10: 44
      +2
      Quote: viktor_ui
      The holiday yesterday clearly succeeded once in a polemic harnessed

      I support the final part of the comment. And the picture to my comment chegoito pumped up. Apparently May Day affects drinks hi
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 2 May 2013 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: viktor_ui
      The holiday yesterday clearly succeeded once in a polemic harnessed

      I support the final part of the comment. And the picture to to my comment chegoyto let us down. Apparently May Day affects drinks hi
  9. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 2 May 2013 11: 15
    +3
    But I’m proposing to create combat high-speed units from our unsinkable effective top managers and we need to start with Perdyukov with his state-owned company soldier I myself would personally do all this pack and run around and start pokatushki with their 13 room den wassat
    THIEFS IN DEFENSE SHOULD BE ANNOUNCED IN NOT LAW.
  10. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 2 May 2013 11: 29
    +1
    The price of oil is falling very quickly, how would we be in time then .....
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 2 May 2013 12: 12
      +1
      Minus please explain.
      I draw the attention of everyone who is interested in the well-being of our country: America is ruining oil prices, the Central Bank is a branch of the Fed, the number of rubles in the budget directly depends on the amount of dollars bought for Russian oil. This is briefly.

      America smells fried and tries to disrupt our armament plan through the price of oil !!!
  11. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 2 May 2013 11: 50
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Vladimirets
    And why is it needed, let me curiosity?
    Yes, in order not to "wet your feet" when any river or lake is on the way, but there is no bridge. But there are many water barriers both in our country and in the immediate borderland ...



    In peacetime, these vehicles can help emergency situations workers during floods to evacuate residents.
  12. w.ebdo.g
    w.ebdo.g 2 May 2013 12: 15
    +5
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: svp67
    Very necessary equipment in the army, especially for ours.

    And why is it needed, let me curiosity?


    in conditions of warfare in the tundra, marshland and river spills, this is an indispensable vehicle.
    in the first and second Chechen a similar machine rescued the boys very well when no one else could get through to deliver or evacuate the landing.
    it’s better to drive fast in an unarmored car than to walk on foot under enemy fire.

    I know what I'm talking about.
  13. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 2 May 2013 12: 37
    0
    Cool car, you need more, and most importantly quickly put in the troops.
  14. ed1968
    ed1968 2 May 2013 13: 07
    0
    the car is not bad considering the range of tasks that it can perform
  15. svp67
    svp67 2 May 2013 13: 15
    +1
    The use of units of serial tanks facilitates the design and serial production of floating conveyors. The PTS-4 has tracks, tracks, torsion bars from the T-80, and friction clutches, gearboxes from the T-72. The engine is also tank, with a capacity of 840 l. s., ”he said.
    He smiled at the expense of clutches and gearboxes ... The T64, T72, T80 transmission used a scheme with two on-board gearboxes (BKP).
  16. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 2 May 2013 13: 32
    +3
    When I was in the army, I fell into a flood (which happens there regularly). Part of it was just forming, so they lived on campsites in tents, even officers with families (it was the end of the 80s). Everything was demolished, he lived on the roof of the building for three days. They grazed with BT only. They took out both equipment and property. We were very lucky that we had them.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 2 May 2013 14: 14
      +4
      Quote: 1c-inform-city
      We were very lucky that we had them.


      Yes, Sergey, everything happened ... Many can say thanks to these screaming mammoths.

      With my own eyes in ZabVO I saw how a TCP, crammed full of civilians with children, cautiously walked between a large sludge. And on the shore at the reserve PTSe, a combat engineer of sappers looked at all THIS. All pale.
      Just at the beginning of May it was, there the ice drift begins around this time. All the little fucking demolishes and drowns the district.
      Maybe he said something pathetically, but it was just that. They don’t joke like that, there’s still a frost on your skin as you recall ...
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 2 May 2013 14: 45
        +1
        Yes, they are not so growling, but launcher is yes! squeals like a shred. From 100 meters I saw how they drove on their site, spectacularly.
  17. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 2 May 2013 14: 04
    +2
    Car class!
    I think you should not rush, just decommissioned cars to replace with new ones and that’s all. And it is not unprofitable and then release will not need to be slowed down.
    I think these machines and the Ministry of Emergencies will be very interested, of course, that in the non-armored version.
    By the way, the article is a little incorrectly called, it was necessary on the basis of T-80/72 tanks, because in fact, there is a suspension from 80s, and an engine with a transmission from 72s.
    In general, it is necessary to renew the fleet of engineering troops, because such junk is in service there, which can be described with a pen, although the second option, in my opinion, will work, or rather, it will only work. The old man BAT-M is still in service, and the T-55 has not been used for a long time, there are still a lot of cars based on this chassis, all sorts of rolled, digging trenches. It is good that they seriously became interested in this issue and went to the test of the third generation car, although due to political differences we get an exception in the form of this beautiful car.
  18. shpuntik
    shpuntik 2 May 2013 14: 22
    +1
    The Canadian invented a crawler mini tractor for skiers
    To be honest, the lifting capacity surprised me 18 tons! As an ignoramus of tank building and a man who knows what a ford is, I can say that a river 10 meters wide is an insurmountable obstacle.
    Even one such machine, for 10 walkers, can transfer a battalion with all its property.
    The second point: replacing obsolete cars made in Ukraine, this is a plus-money will go to our designers. And they are beggars: our technologists, designers, and fitters. It is necessary to support them.
    Third: Even small batches of experimental machines must be produced so that the design school does not wither. It is a fact. Who doubts, let him see the American tractors and tracked vehicles, much has been done in a single copy.
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  20. RUkola
    RUkola 2 May 2013 15: 15
    0
    It's strange, but I often see on TV how such people move along pontoon bridges, probably you need to forbid the military to show this on the camera
  21. Vasily-71
    Vasily-71 2 May 2013 15: 24
    -6
    For this crap without tasks - there is only one task - over-the-horizon landing at sea. From the Mistrals or Polish cattle trucks. And so, of course, she is not needed. I don't see any use for it. Well, and "Izvestia" - so everything is clear anyway.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 2 May 2013 17: 13
      +3
      This crap without tasks has been successfully used for more than half a century; the circle of its tasks is masterpiece.
      And this is just a new version, with higher features.
      In fact it heavy truck on caterpillar tracks and with the ability to swim, plus an armored cabin with protection against WMD and for dessert: a floating trailer!
  22. Vtel
    Vtel 2 May 2013 17: 38
    0
    It’s interesting by weight that BMD-4 will enter it, then it will be able to shoot afloat.
  23. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 2 May 2013 17: 49
    +1
    This article is much more useful than articles about 6th generation aircraft or about a base in the Caspian.
  24. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 2 May 2013 19: 04
    +1
    Keyboard Commando, PTS is a transporter, a tracked truck, do not compare it with the deceased EFV.
  25. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 2 May 2013 19: 10
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    Now we need a new GSP, it seems to me that the bridge parks in the shunting units should be completely replaced by mechanized vehicles, GSP and PTS, and TMM and MTU. PMP is better to have full parks in individual teams.
  26. Clueless
    Clueless 2 May 2013 21: 20
    +1
    gentlemen, when you propose to use Vityaz in exchange ... its price in civil current is 27 million rubles :) An expensive machine for crossing trucks comes out
  27. 2sila
    2sila 2 May 2013 22: 55
    +1
    I can describe my own emotions and impressions of driving and using the PTS-2.
    My VUS "Mechanic driver PTS-2". In 1989, I finished engineering fucking at GLAU (320 SHMSIV) in this specialty.
    The car is the highest!
    High-speed, maneuverable, with an armored cabin, very versatile, you can load anything, you can even attach a floating trailer, people can cram 50-60 people! On good "soil" you can heat up to 70 km, on water 12 km.
    And when at speed you "fly" from the "beach" into the water, then all of them are flooded with a small wave and they then knock on the armored cabin and swear.
    To be honest, I do not quite understand the skepticism about the use of PTS, they have long since proven everything by their existence and application. I myself saw and participated in the crossing and "the occupation of the bridgehead by an almost motorized rifle battalion on an unequipped crossing after engineer reconnaissance."
    Where to apply and when is the main question, but for competent and trained commanders this is not a problem, all this is in the charters and instructions.
    All this is in the charters and instructions and seyas.
  28. exe-hacker
    exe-hacker 2 May 2013 23: 08
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    Personally, I, as a pontooner, do not understand the purpose of this machine, why such a load capacity ??? wheeled vehicles do not weigh so much, the caterpillar fighting all floats on its own, and it captures the bridgehead, tanks only ford or along the bottom, while there are no pontoons !!! mine it would be better to revive the captured SHG in a new guise, especially since there is a prototype! And the PTS is a machine for individual tasks, it is more suitable for the role of working in the Ministry of Emergencies or the rear of the Army, but not at the front line! just an errand machine that floats well t, only she doesn’t need such a load capacity!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 3 May 2013 00: 01
      0
      For growth. Promising technology is getting heavier. And not the fact that it will float.
  29. 2sila
    2sila 2 May 2013 23: 39
    +1
    How long does it take to assemble a PMP or connect 2 SHGs, even deploy PMM2?
    PTS allows you to force a water obstacle to motorized rifles with a course, I already described an example of such an application in exercises.
    And it's not so much the load capacity as the dimensions of the equipment.
  30. 2sila
    2sila 2 May 2013 23: 43
    +1
    About the dimensions.
    Title with PKP trailer. Elba. photo A. Khlystoy
  31. 2sila
    2sila 2 May 2013 23: 54
    +1
    Title in Grozny.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 3 May 2013 14: 27
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      Quote: 2sila
      PTS


      Thanks for the photo, Vadim.

      drinks