Baikonur has reached the final stage, is it only Vostochny or a trampoline next?

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Baikonur has reached the final stage, is it only Vostochny or a trampoline next?

First of all, a little bit at once storiesRemember how in 2014, Dmitry Rogozin, then Deputy Prime Minister and head of cosmonautics, proposed on a now-banned social network that American astronauts be transported to the International Space Station using trampolines?

And in April 2021, he denied reports of negotiations between Roscosmos and SpaceX, stating that Russia had its own plans and that the Russian manned spacecraft Orel would fly to the Russian station in 2025. Well, if there's a station, there'll be a new spacecraft. If there's no station, we'll go to the ISS.



Here we are, the year 2025 is ending. Where is the Russian station? Where are all these "Orel," "Federation," "Argo," and "Parus"?

I would very much like to insert a quote from one of the greatest Russian writers, born in the Russian city of Kyiv, Mikhail Afanasyevich Bulgakov, from his immortal novel:

The audience didn't like Bengalsky's speech. A complete silence followed, broken by the checkered Fagot.
“This is again a case of so-called lies,” he declared in a loud, goatish tenor, “the papers, citizens, are real!”

There are no new ships. There are no reusable ones. missilesThere are no new rockets. In fact, there are launch vehicles and spacecraft created by the greatest figures of the last millennium: Korolev, Keldysh, Glushko, Tsander, Tikhonravov, Mishin, and other lesser-known but no less significant engineers and designers.


The Soyuz and Progress spacecraft (the cargo version of the Soyuz), the Soyuz, Proton, Zenit, and Rokot launch vehicles—all were created by the brilliant designers of the Soviet school. And at the same time, Baikonur was built, a gem of the space age, just like Cape Canaveral.


And so, on November 27, 2025, the final chapter of the Baikonur Cosmodrome was closed. That's just how it happened.

It was on November 27, after the launch of the Soyuz-2.1a launch vehicle carrying the Soyuz MS-28 spacecraft, that an event occurred that would become a milestone in the history of Russian cosmonautics.

The launch itself was successful; Soyuz MS-28, carrying cosmonauts Sergei Kud-Sverchkov, Sergei Mikayev, and astronaut Christopher Williams, safely lifted off from Earth and arrived at the ISS.

But after liftoff, the 8U216 service cabin fell onto the launch pad and flue. It's important to note that a service cabin isn't exactly a cabin in our understanding. It's a three-level platform measuring 20 x 17 meters and weighing approximately 150 tons.


During launch preparation, this cabin extends from the concrete wall of the exhaust duct and is positioned under the underside of the rocket. Its platforms are raised, providing access to the first- and second-stage engines of the launch vehicle. From here, the team performs all pre-launch work on the underside of the rocket, including removing protective covers and installing "blocks with special devices" on the rocket's engines.

The significant term "bars with special devices" conceals ordinary pyrotechnic charges with electric fuses, without which it would be impossible to start these ancient engines created by Korolev and Glushko. And the bar... Well, a bar is just that—a square piece of wood. That's how they launched space rocket engines in the 60s, and it turns out that's how they still do it today. Not the Falcon, though...

What happened on November 27?


Preparations for the launch of Soyuz-2.1a and Soyuz MS-28 proceeded as planned. Forty-four minutes before liftoff, the service cabin moved into its bay, as scheduled. Then came the launch, and then, during liftoff, something happened: the pressure created by the exhaust flow from the engines ripped the cabin out of its bay.

It's a good thing it wasn't an instantaneous process; the rocket ascended safely, but then the cabin plummeted 20 meters into the deflector chute, flipping over during the fall and landing upside down. That is, the entire two-story superstructure—you know, 150 tons from 20 meters, F = m*g… Basically, there was nothing left to repair.


The reason for this is said to be the insecure fastening of the cabin in the niche or the locks that could not withstand the load.

Regarding the launch crew's incompetence... I absolutely don't want to look at that for several reasons. I've spoken to them, I won't spoil it, but there will be another article later. These are unique people, somewhat akin to submariners. Professionalism mixed with... perhaps fanaticism. It's difficult to understand, easier to respect.

But the idea of ​​a faulty lock is entirely plausible, especially since specialized sources like RussianSpaceWeb.com directly state that the cause of the accident was violations of the operating rules for facility 31/6, which arose due to infrequent maintenance over the past few years.

And here, everyone is openly talking about the "optimization" that began under Rogozin and which no one has reversed. And the optimization at Roscosmos is no different from similar processes anywhere: more work for less money and, in general, savings on everything. The savings, as they say, are obvious. Or rather, in the gas vent.

Many experts, even without conducting analyses or commissions, say that the 8U216 service cabin is everything.

Not repairable


We need to build (there is no better word) a new one.

Fortunately, the plant where the 8U-216 was built in the 60s, namely the Syzran Tyazhmash plant, which is controlled by the Trifonov family, is alive and well, and, what's more, thriving, unlike many of its peers.


This is a whole other mystery about how Lieutenant Colonel-topographer Sergei Trifonov ended up in the chair of the general director of Tyazhmash in 2004, when it was on the verge of bankruptcy, and how Trifonov pulled the plant out, but the fact is: there is room to make a cabin.

The only question is how long it will take. Those who built these cabins 60 years ago, you know. Today, building the cabins for Vostochny and Kourou took two years each.

After the accident, Roscosmos reported "the availability of all necessary spare parts to restore the launch complex, so it will be repaired in the near future." But behind this proud report lies... Gagarin's Launch Site, Pad No. 1. This complex was transferred to Kazakhstan in 2010, and an open-air museum was established there. Clearly, this was part of the same optimization.

Indeed, why keep a backup launch pad? Why waste money on it? It's easier to just throw it away in Kazakhstan. Off the balance sheet, as they say, off the expense list.


And now the best thing that's in store for Baikonur is that the used cabin from Gagarin's launch pad will be hauled over and installed at Site 31. It's hard to say how smart this is, considering there's been no proper maintenance for 15 years.

According to various estimates, the recovery time for Launch Complex 31/6 ranges from several months to three years. Even with sufficient spare parts, a full inspection of the launch complex is first necessary to determine whether the cabin damaged other elements of the pad during the collapse. These inspections will take several months, that's for sure.

And then there's another aspect. Russia today is not the USSR. Or even the USA. It's a tightly bureaucratized country, where there are, on average, six managers and executives for every worker in any organization.

And Roscosmos, which is also a state-owned company... They'll first need to conduct damage assessments and cost calculations. Then prepare the documents for the tender for the proposed work. Then hold the tender itself. Basically, it'll be at least six months of paperwork, and even longer, since the inspection and damage assessment at Site 31 alone will take between three and six months, according to preliminary estimates.

And how long the work itself will take—nobody knows at all. Or how much it will cost. And what condition will the cabin be in when it's hauled to the 31st launch site? Again, there's simply no precedent in history for dismantling a service cabin, moving it to another site, and reassembling it there.

Considering our realities and possible assistance from the Kazakhs, definitely three years, no less.

For example, historically, Backup Pad No. 31 has been operational since 1961, that is, since the dawn of manned spaceflight. It has already suffered accidents that temporarily left the country without a backup pad. I'll quote General Kamanin's diaries:

I visited Site 31 and inspected the launch site, which was destroyed by a rocket explosion on December 14, 1966. The launch site restoration is proceeding successfully; all concrete work has been completed, and installation of the launch equipment has begun. The builders and assemblers assure that they will have the launch site fully restored by May 1, 1967.

Then, a rocket carrying the Kosmos-133 spacecraft, which later became the Soyuz, exploded on the pad. And it must be said that people worked much more efficiently back then than they do now. At least there were no government procurement laws that would completely slow things down. And to be fair, I should note that the fitters and builders gave their bosses a deadline they were supposed to give up on. As expected, they gave it a nice figure, so that management would actually back off and not interfere with the work. In fact, the first flight from the renovated pad took place not on May 1, 1967, but on February 8, 1968.

So, when (if at all) they'll be able to restore Site 31 is a big question. A very big one.

ISS


Meanwhile, pad 31/6 was the only Russian launch complex capable of sending crews to the ISS. It's fair to ask about Plesetsk, Kourou, and Vostochny. Yes, they exist, and they have pads for Soyuz launches, but:

Plesetsk, due to its northern location, is unsuitable for launching manned spacecraft. Satellites can be launched from there, but a Soyuz spacecraft carrying a crew is not. This is due to several physical reasons.
"Vostochny doesn't have the infrastructure for manned launches, specifically, its search and rescue system in the event of an accident is completely undeveloped. Yes, this represents 1 to 4% of the total number of launches, but nonetheless."
- Kourou. You might recall, we poured a ton of money into it. But now the Kourou spaceport is closed due to sanctions.

Sea Launch is a complete disaster, not to mention the venture itself: the half-disassembled complex has been sitting in the Far East since 2020, stranded and without a chance. All American and Ukrainian equipment has been removed from the ships, and naturally, the Zenit launch vehicles manufactured by Yuzhmash are gone. In short, it's a complete sea shambles.


So the only glimmer of hope is Vostochny, but there are no fewer difficulties there.


In May 2025, Rafael Murtazin, head of the ballistics department at RSC Energia, publicly mentioned restrictions on manned flights from Vostochny in an interview with MK. He said:

Incidentally, a 97-degree orbital inclination will be more advantageous for launches from our Vostochny Cosmodrome, where we plan to transfer all launches after the ISS deorbits. If we launch from Vostochny to an orbit with a lower inclination, the flight path will pass over the Pacific Ocean or the United States or Canada. To insure the cosmonauts in the maritime zone during each launch, 12-13 rescue ships will be on duty (in case of an emergency, the probability of which is no more than 1 percent). But if we launch from Vostochny to an orbit with a 97-degree inclination, the first two stages will fall over our territory, over land, for which we will not face any claims from other countries. Moreover, insuring our cosmonauts will be much more convenient.

True, the head of the ballistics department is silent about the fact that it is one thing to search in the Kazakh steppe-desert, and another to search in the forests of Siberia and the Far East.

But all this is in the uncertain future, after a ton of decisions have been made. In the meantime, Russia will be unable to send Soyuz and Progress spacecraft to the ISS for some time.

And here a number of very unpleasant questions immediately arise:


1. What will happen to the Progress capsule, which is scheduled to launch with cargo to the ISS on December 21? Will they unload it and then go beg Musk for a ride to the ISS?

2. How will crew rotations take place on the Russian segment? Russian cosmonauts fly to the ISS under the cross-flight program. Under this program, Russia and the United States each provide one spacecraft seat for a representative of the other country. That is, one seat on the Soyuz versus one seat on the Dragon.

I don't know how this program will work without Soyuz, or even if it will work at all. The Americans are such guys, they could even recall Rogozin's trampoline. And the ISS can't be left without a Russian crew; the Russian segment needs to be serviced, it needs repairs, and everything there is far from new...

3. What's easier: repairing the launch pad at Baikonur or refurbishing the Vostochny launch site? I mean, which is faster? Because space won't wait, and if we don't want to lose the Russian segment of the ISS, we need to move faster.

Well, the last


Sergei Pavlovich Korolev was a brilliant designer who understood space. That's why he had backup launch pads. Yes, they were destroyed from time to time, there were accidents, but that was the beginning of the journey into human spaceflight. Elon Reeve Musk proved a worthy student and also created backup infrastructure for manned spaceflight launches, and not because he was strapped for cash.

Both clearly understood the value of backup launches. Korolev usually had a second launch vehicle ready when launching one spacecraft. Just in case. Incidentally, the Chinese have also grasped the concept and are doing the same thing. And, imagine, it's already paid off for them!

Here's a Chinese example: micrometeorites or space debris damaged the windows of the Shenzhou-20 spacecraft, docked to the Chinese orbital station. A problem? Absolutely not! China immediately launched the backup manned spacecraft, Shenzhou-21, and the astronauts were removed from the station and returned to Earth. The "leaky" Shenzhou-20 will be deorbited unmanned.

What if they didn't have a spare spacecraft on standby? What if something like this happened to ours? Would they have pierced the Soyuz? Yes, our American friends would have evacuated our cosmonauts from the ISS, but what would they do if something like this happened on the ROS, which, with its planned Eastern orbit, can't be approached from any other spaceport? Neither the Chinese nor the Americans?

A situation that could easily happen: the ROS is hanging out in its unreachable orbit, the only launch pad is damaged, so what? Will the cosmonauts immediately be awarded the Hero of the Soviet Union title posthumously? Or will they hang around for six months, sharing the last can of food three ways?

Some believe that our frankly incompetent, would-be optimizers among the "effective managers" have gone too far in their cost-cutting. And, as a result, have left the Russian space industry without space, or more precisely, without spaceports.

I imagine a repeat of that very meeting with Stalin, when in 1942 it became clear that the existing guns were not capable of penetrating the Tigers' armor:

- Well, what are we going to do, comrades?

"What are we going to do, Comrade Stalin?" those who had scrapped Grabin's 57mm gun asked, looking obsequiously into their leader's eyes. Yes, it had its flaws, but it could still hit the Germans.

Only it will be, of course, with Putin, the characters will be different, but I think the behavioral style will be the same.

I don't know what Vladimir Vladimirovich will tell them; his allies have given him a good run for his money, I must admit. I'll never forget: "When Musk's flies, then we'll talk." Well, Musk flies everything. Both the Dragons and the Falcons. They fly reusably and without incident, to the envy of his competitors.

But where are all our Argos, Orlyas, Parusas, Federations, and other vanished Orlyatas? There's not even a website left of Argo, and the last of the Federation/Orlyas. news They are generally dated to 2022, and even then they mainly talk about how the ships being developed will fly to the station under development in 2028-2030.

But we could go on and on about how our spacecraft "furrow the expanses of the Bolshoi Theater," but even the royal Soyuz spacecraft, endlessly modernized over the past 50 years, have flown their last flight. Temporarily—perhaps, the only question is how "temporary." I can't believe Roscosmos's claims that they have everything for repairs; the gentlemen at that company have regaled us with fairy tales too often. And delivering the cabin from Gagarin's Launch Pad No. 1, which hasn't seen service for 15 years, is prolonging the agony, nothing more.

This is the case when you would be glad to find at least something bright, but it doesn’t work out.
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  1. -25
    9 December 2025 03: 29
    Don't be so upset. It's certainly a difficult story, but the most important thing in recent years is the trouble-free launches. More precisely, no disasters. Well, except for the uncrewed Luna-25. What's better to do—repair at Baikonur or hold a race at Vostochny? I'd choose Baikonur. The lease lasts until 2047, so what's there to worry about? Forums say they'll fix it in six months. That's not a given, of course. But with new technology, it looks like it will last a long time. The reasons are well-known, there are two: sanctions and funding cuts. It definitely won't be quick.
    1. 35+
      9 December 2025 03: 50
      Quote: Glagol1
      No need to be so upset. It's a difficult story, of course, but the main thing is

      You've already passed the denial and anger phases and reached the point of bargaining. Acceptance is just around the corner.
      1. 32+
        9 December 2025 07: 11
        Currently and in the future, Russia's only use of space is for communications and reconnaissance. Sad as it may be, we have no missions for manned spaceflight... or for new spacecraft.
        1. 36+
          9 December 2025 07: 44
          Yes, this is a complete degradation of manned spaceflight - there is no point in flying (they could at least launch bloggers to the ISS instead of astronauts), and now there is nothing to fly on.
          1. 14+
            9 December 2025 10: 33
            The unmanned one will soon be destroyed too. Just wait a little.
            1. +5
              10 December 2025 11: 02
              Let's just kill ourselves right now, everything's bad and it's only going to get worse. What kind of stupid pessimism is this?
              1. +7
                10 December 2025 16: 56
                This isn't pessimism, it's an observation. EVERYTHING we've been told and written about the development of space technology in Russia has ended in fiasco. No pessimism, just naked realism. Apparently, this is another "Lenin and Stalin bombshell."
          2. +2
            9 December 2025 13: 15
            For rent to filmmakers...
          3. +4
            9 December 2025 15: 27
            What do our astronauts do on the ISS? They mostly maintain the ISS to keep it running, and it only works to keep it going.
            1. +3
              10 December 2025 11: 03
              Actually, they do experiments there. Scientific ones.
              1. +1
                10 December 2025 12: 29
                And they don't really talk about these experiments. In the entire history of the ISS, it's very difficult to recall a single news story about what was discovered there.
                1. +1
                  20 February 2026 23: 33
                  Well, first of all, why do you even think we, "earthlings," should know about every discovery and experiment on the ISS? What if they're being conducted on behalf of the Ministry of Defense? Or discoveries in medicine—we can get creative here. Let's say the star-spangled patriots have created a cure for cancer on the ISS (let's assume it can only be created in zero-gravity and microgravity). So what? For the greater good of planet Earth, will they tell everyone?? Come on, that would be a closely guarded secret! And for what? So that the whole world would kneel before them, for a pill priced like a Boeing! And believe me, they'll kneel even for that price. And if they announce a contest: "Buy one pill before the end of the month and get the second one free!", there'll be a real fight in the line. And we, of course, will be left with nothing, or more precisely, a broken launch pad. We don't need one! We don't need to fly there, as some very knowledgeable people about space experiments write in the comments. But the research isn't limited to defense and medicine. And to make your search easier (we won't go too far into the internet):
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_российских_научных_исследований_на_МКС
                  Note "Russian," and note "list." If you're interested, you can research each item on the list yourself. You'll only need to read for a week or two, and it's not guaranteed that many will understand any of it.
                  And yes, the Russian cosmonauts themselves don't know what's going on at the other end of the station—well, they know some things, but certainly not everything, and no one will tell us "earthlings" anything, either. Maybe in 50 years, when it's written in fifth-grade textbooks.
                  1. -1
                    20 February 2026 23: 47
                    Quote: Raw238
                    Well, first of all, why did you even think that we, "earthlings," should know about all the discoveries and experiments on the ISS?

                    Yes, it would be interesting to hear about some, and not in the style of Russian politics - you are not supposed to know, everything is fine in the negotiations, the SVO and in the army.
                    Quote: Raw238
                    And what if they are carried out on the orders of the Ministry of Defense?

                    in the ISS's transit yard?
                    Quote: Raw238
                    Or discoveries in medicine—we can get creative here. Let's say the star-spangled patriots created a cure for cancer on the ISS (let's assume it can only be created in zero-gravity and microgravity). So what?

                    You can imagine all sorts of things, but I've never heard of pharmaceutical companies sending requests to the ISS. Personally, I'm directly involved in drug development and have never heard anything about the ISS from anyone—everything is on Earth, and apparently there's a different atmosphere there, who knows what kind of people are there.
                    Quote: Raw238
                    And they will stand, believe me, even at that price.

                    and a cure for old age, and a mutagen to become a Ninja Turtle, and self-made gusli were invented there in fantasies wassat
                    Quote: Raw238
                    You'll only have enough reading for a week or two, and it's not a fact that many will be able to understand anything from this.

                    Well, how can I understand, I've been in science since 2004 feel
                    Quote: Raw238
                    And yes, the Russian cosmonauts themselves don't know what's going on at the other end of the station; well, they know something, but certainly not everything, and no one will tell us "earthlings" anything at all.

                    Yeah, and they're gathering armaments, and coalitions, and so on, but they're just not supposed to know about great achievements so there won't be queues. laughing
                    1. +1
                      21 February 2026 00: 04
                      Quote from alexoff
                      Personally, I have a direct relationship with drug development.

                      Are you sure? I'll remember that. Because from what you write here, you're a pure vocalist.
                    2. 0
                      21 February 2026 00: 09
                      Especially for a scientist with 22 years of experience directly involved in drug development:
                      https://trends.rbc.ru/trends/industry/6618db009a7947c623592d96?ysclid=mlvddjet4m236215898
                      When I saw the first point, I was even a little taken aback.
                    3. 0
                      21 February 2026 00: 37
                      Slightly off-topic, but right on point. I remembered an article I recently read, I can't remember which service, about how German nuclear scientists in the 40s came literally one step away from inventing nuclear weapons. They mistakenly considered pure graphite "useless," unlike Igor Kurchatov, who knew that graphite is what works. Bottom line: the USSR/Russia is in the nuclear club, Germany is not! With all the consequences.
            2. 0
              26 January 2026 15: 41
              The Americans are also messing around on the ISS. Little is known about the practical benefits of crews staying permanently on the station; it seems more like a prestige-building exercise than anything else.
              1. -2
                26 January 2026 19: 52
                I watch the "Space Just" channel on YouTube every week, with all sorts of space news. I don't remember ever seeing anything like "a discovery was made on the ISS." They fly just to fly, but apparently they don't really know why. request
          4. 10+
            9 December 2025 16: 41
            We could at least launch bloggers to the ISS instead of astronauts.

            Well, they were filming a movie. I realized then that the cosmonauts wouldn't have much to do there, or rather, very little. So we'll save a little money. We need communications and reconnaissance satellites. That's what's important.
          5. +1
            10 December 2025 10: 10
            Quote: rs777
            There's no need to fly (they could at least launch bloggers to the ISS instead of astronauts)

            These bloggers, with all the profit they make from their subscribers, could buy their own space tickets! I think so.
        2. 23+
          9 December 2025 08: 02
          At that time the "enemies":
          New photos have emerged showing the construction of the Gigabay production complex, located on the grounds of the Starbase spaceport.
          It is known that the Gigabay for Starship will have the following main dimensions: the building height is 116 m, the length is 110 m, the width is 130 m, the useful internal height is up to 115 m, the working space area is about 75,700 m2, and the total internal volume is approximately 1,3 million m3.

          These parameters allow Gigabay to accommodate multiple Starships simultaneously and provide more than 11 times the production space of existing Mega Bays. Construction is scheduled for completion in 2026.
          "This will be one of the largest structures in the world; I think, by some measures, it will be the largest building in the world. It is designed to accommodate a thousand Starships per year," Elon Musk said earlier.

          https://www.ixbt.com/news/2025/12/06/odno-iz-krupnejshih-sooruzhenij-v-mire-pokazali-na-foto-v-gigabay-planirujut-sobirat-tysjachu-starship-v-god.html#comment4430448
          Well, as for "intelligence":
          American company Vantor boasted of its satellite imaging capabilities by publishing a photo of China's Yulin Naval Base on Hainan Island, which originally had a resolution of 50 cm per pixel.

          In fact, it's even more interesting, since this is a 3D map created using satellite data. Moreover, all this data was acquired in a single overflight, although it took 10 hours to process it.
          The Chinese naval base at Yulin, captured this morning, can be explored in full 3D. We created this 3D image of the area using a single satellite that passed by today at 11:21 a.m. local time and processed it into the final image within 10 hours. The entire image was obtained with a resolution of 50 cm and a spatial accuracy of less than 4 m.

          The Yulin Naval Base, located on the northern edge of the South China Sea, is renowned as one of China's most strategically important military bases. This image shows the aircraft carrier Fujian moored in port and a patrol boat passing by. Construction of a dry dock, new berths, and piers is also visible. Command and control systems and autonomous platforms utilize our highly accurate 3D spatial base, which serves as a reliable source of operational terrain data. Our rapid 3D processing capabilities update this base with just a single satellite pass, keeping it current at the pace of the mission. All powered by our Forge software. Complete transparency from space to the ground.
          Vantor's technology, of course, doesn't allow for real-time monitoring with such precision, but 10 hours of processing such a massive amount of data and producing a map with such precision is worthy of a small revolution.

          https://www.ixbt.com/news/2025/12/07/amerikanskaja-kompanija-vantor-opublikovala-snimki-voennomorskoj-bazy-jujlin-s-razresheniem-50-sm-na-piksel.html#comment4432348
          There are some very impressive photographs in the article.
          It seems the wrong country was left with the "trampoline"...
          1. 0
            9 December 2025 12: 22
            That's all true, of course. It's just that you shouldn't have put the words "among the enemies" in quotation marks. Indeed, it is: among the enemies. Unfortunately, we're in...
          2. 28+
            9 December 2025 12: 40
            At that time the "enemies":

            So, the main enemies of Russian space exploration remain in the Russian Federation! And they continue to "master resources"...
            1. +5
              9 December 2025 18: 57
              How is Chubais worse than Yeltsin? Why can't he also find a successor(s)? He'll retire, but Yeltsin's legacy lives on and triumphs. laughing
              1. +1
                12 December 2025 20: 33
                Who's Yeltsin's successor, Sobchak's aide, Chubais's friend? I can't remember their last name, maybe someone can tell me?
          3. -5
            10 December 2025 10: 38
            It is known that the Gigabay for Starship will have the following main dimensions: the building height is 116 m, the length is 110 m, the width is 130 m, the useful internal height is up to 115 m, the working space area is about 75,700 m2, and the total internal volume is approximately 1,3 million m3.
            "This will be one of the largest structures in the world; I think, by some measures, it will be the largest building in the world. It is designed to accommodate a thousand Starships per year," Elon Musk said earlier.

            What a liar this Musk is! This one of the largest buildings ever built by humanity won't even make the top hundred. It still has a long way to go to reach the final assembly plants for Boeings, Airbuses, and some shipyards. Why does this genius lie so much?
        3. +6
          9 December 2025 19: 43
          Russia needs a "slightly" different socio-political system now and in the future! Under the current system, nothing works except New Vasyukov! We haven't even been able to build an airplane for 20 years, let alone space. Everything we had wasted.
          1. +2
            10 December 2025 22: 56
            ....yes, that's true, but for a different system, different people are needed..., how can a country be developed if for the last decades all they've done is steal..., rob...., export abroad...., build palaces........
        4. +1
          9 December 2025 20: 06
          Quote: Civil
          Currently and in the future, Russia's only use of space is for communications and reconnaissance. Sad as it may be, we have no missions for manned spaceflight... or for new spacecraft.

          Well, manned spaceflight is very efficient for reconnaissance.
        5. Qas
          +7
          10 December 2025 11: 51
          No tasks?
          The Americans have tasks, the Chinese have them, the Indians have them, even the Japanese have some plans in the works!
          And Russia, the first to go into space, suddenly ran out of tasks!
          1. +3
            11 December 2025 06: 51
            The USSR, not Russia alone, was the first to go into space. That's one thing. Secondly, when we went into space, there were objectives. To have objectives in space, there must be serious research programs that are implemented over a very long period of time. Currently, all space programs are rewritten annually. Therefore, it's impossible to formulate long-term research and objectives based on them.
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        1. 11+
          9 December 2025 09: 59
          Quote: NordOst16
          Did you get satisfaction from reading this text?

          What satisfaction are we talking about? The author fears that the problem that has arisen could have serious consequences. Is he wrong?
          Quote: NordOst16
          Did the author fall short in terms of the level of tragedy, self-flagellation, and self-destruction?

          What he didn't get right was to describe how exactly all this might end.
          1. -7
            9 December 2025 11: 51
            Quote: Puncher
            The author fears that the problem that has arisen could have serious consequences.

            We need to decide for whom this article was written:
            1) For people who are involved in this situation by duty or contract? - I'm sure not, because they are already aware of the events and are much better informed than the author.
            2) for managers and top officials who oversee this area of ​​activity - they are unlikely to read VO.
            3) for the average person - in my opinion, it is for him.

            Then you can look at how the article was written. It's simple: so much vitriol was poured out on the domestic space program, which is in a dire situation and clearly feels underfunded compared to other, more pressing priorities. It looks like some kind of paid tactic.

            And finally, we need to decide why this article was written:
            1) To solve the problem? - As I wrote above, people who are directly involved in resolving this situation either don't bother reading VO articles, are already well informed, or don't read VO at all.
            2) Perhaps the author suggests a candidate who can better organize the emergency response processes? I didn't see this in the text.
            So what was the author’s task, or what task did he set for himself?

            Quote: Puncher
            What he didn't get right was to describe how exactly all this might end.

            Oh, that's not a problem, I think this has already been covered on Ukrainian resources, or we can wait for a similar article from the author.

            And, I repeat, if the author mentioned Stalin and the founders of our rocket and space industry, then in those days, for such opuses, the author would have been prosecuted under Article 58.
            1. +2
              9 December 2025 18: 50
              Quote: NordOst16
              for whom this article was written

              Option 3
              Quote: NordOst16
              So much bile was poured out on the domestic cosmonautics, which is not in the best position

              Her superiors have pushed her into a precarious position. This is what the author is indignant about.
              Quote: NordOst16
              Why this article was written:

              Inform about the situation.
              Quote: NordOst16
              It's already been described on Ukrainian resources

              When NASA announces that it will deorbit the ISS ahead of schedule because it will no longer be operational, the whole world will talk about it.
              1. +2
                9 December 2025 23: 35
                Quote: Puncher
                Her superiors have pushed her into a precarious position. This is what the author is indignant about.

                What's the point of writing about it this way? To expose the complete incompetence of industry leaders and those who appointed them? It's clear that there are problems, and plenty of them.
                I can think of a former (in every sense of the word) politician and opposition figure who was also dissatisfied with everything around him and loved making videos about it. There was no benefit (at least for the country's population), and no point either.

                Quote: Puncher
                Inform about the situation.

                You can communicate the situation in different ways, depending on the desired outcome. In this case, the information is presented as follows: the cast is being removed, the client is leaving. Why not write: the situation is dire, the problem is serious, but engineers from Roscosmos and other companies are already working on a solution?
                For 99,9% of VO readers, this situation is neither better nor worse than, say, fixing a burst heating pipe or repairing downed wires due to bad weather.

                As a result, we have a bunch of indignant VO readers who can't do anything about the situation, but who are even more nervous and disillusioned with the government. It seems to me that this is entirely consistent with the goals of foreign intelligence agencies. Was this the author's intention?

                Quote: Puncher
                When NASA announces that it will deorbit the ISS ahead of schedule because it will no longer be operational, the whole world will talk about it.

                Firstly, even in this case, most Russians won't suffer any harm; they've already been through the deorbiting of the Mir space station. The foundation will be painful, but unfortunately, it's always the first to go.
                And secondly, a few years ago, the whole world was talking about the collapse of the Russian economy, capitulation, and division of territories (the latter is indeed happening, but not quite as expected). So, there's plenty to say; no one's stopping you.
            2. +5
              9 December 2025 19: 00
              Under Stalin, those who brought the domestic space program to its knees would have been prosecuted as enemies of the people. And there would have been no need to write such articles.
              1. +2
                10 December 2025 09: 48
                Are you saying there were no miscalculations back then? No changes in the management of factories, design bureaus, or institutes?
                Quote: rs777
                And there would be no need to write such articles.

                Both the leadership and those who incited unrest would have gone together. Just under different charges.
            3. +1
              9 December 2025 19: 11
              Quote: NordOst16
              And, I repeat, if the author mentioned Stalin and the founders of our rocket and space industry, then in those days, for such opuses, the author would have been prosecuted under Article 58.

              No, the author would have received a Stalin Prize for identifying the shortcomings. But Rogozin and everyone else involved would have gone to hell...
              1. +1
                10 December 2025 09: 55
                I'm not sure that when the Germans were near Moscow, the newspapers wrote about the losses, the guilty parties (from the people on the ground to the top leadership) and that there was no way out and the like.
                I'm not sure that in later times they wrote about disasters and failures in the missile field in a dismissive manner (they didn't write about it in principle).
                And if they did write, it was in specialized publications for engineers and designers.
                1. -2
                  10 December 2025 10: 39
                  There may be setbacks and disasters, but you apparently didn't understand about the two launch pads... We've lost manned spaceflight for at least three years, maybe more. Sorry, Yura, we're all...
                  1. +1
                    10 December 2025 11: 23
                    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                    There may be failures and disasters, but you apparently didn't understand about the two starting tables...

                    I understood about the two tables, but you apparently didn’t get my point.

                    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                    We have lost manned spaceflight for at least three years,

                    And for 99% of the Russian population and VO readers, this doesn't make any difference. Blocking/reducing Telegram use, increasing recycling fees, or periodic mobile internet shutdowns are of concern to far more people.
                    Why write about it this way? To further irritate the general public? What will the author achieve by doing this, other than ruining the mood and fraying the nerves of people who have absolutely no connection to the rocket and space industry?
                    Why not write, as I wrote earlier, that: The situation is grave, but our engineers are already working to resolve it and resume manned launches as soon as possible. It's worth noting (in our military) that the problem with this table doesn't affect the launches of civilian and military satellites, and therefore won't harm our defense capability.
                    Because for Russia, the problem with manned launches (which are more for image and scientific purposes) is not even close to the problem of launching satellites into orbit (which is much more important for defense capability and the development of our rocket and space industry).

                    Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                    Sorry, Yura, we're all...

                    1) Our closest neighbors have lost everything.
                    2) If you want to read material of similar content, you can go to Ukrainian resources. I think they've already described in detail how bad things are in the Russian industry, what bad managers and incompetent engineers are, etc.

                    But I absolutely don't understand why people work for Ukrainian IPSOs and publish such articles on VO.
                    1. VlK
                      +3
                      10 December 2025 13: 14
                      Why, exactly, should he gloss over someone else's mistakes, shortcomings, or simply incompetence to smooth things over? Journalism is a profession designed to expose shortcomings to society so they can be quickly addressed, not sweep uncovered problems under the rug. That's how it was officially believed in the USSR, too. A completely different profession—propagandist—is called upon to gloss over reality.
                      1. +1
                        10 December 2025 16: 36
                        Quote: VlK
                        Well, why should he, in fact, cover up someone else’s mistakes, shortcomings, or simply incompetence in order to smooth over the situation?

                        Because journalists and the media shape the state's image both among citizens and in relation to the rest of the world. And this must be done with the utmost professionalism. Because then everyone wonders why young people want to leave the country, why they burn transformers and relay cabinets for pennies, and so on.
                        The entire Western media criticizes us, but domestic journalists can and should write positive things about Russia, to shape the desired image of the country.

                        Quote: VlK
                        Journalism is a profession that is called upon to reveal shortcomings to society so that they can be quickly eliminated.

                        This article will not and cannot lead to any favorable outcome in the rocket and space field.

                        Quote: VlK
                        A completely different profession is called upon to gloss over reality: the propagandist.

                        Ideally, it is one office and the same people.
                      2. VlK
                        +1
                        10 December 2025 18: 19
                        Among citizens, the image of the state is primarily shaped by the reality surrounding them. But the discrepancy between the image being formed (when people got carried away with it) and the reality outside the window ultimately destroyed the entire USSR.
                      3. +1
                        10 December 2025 19: 27
                        Quote: VlK
                        Among citizens, the image of the state is formed primarily by the reality surrounding them.

                        In 22/23, it's very easy to determine what world someone lives in after talking to them for 10-15 minutes. And you can pretty accurately determine what media/channels they read. So it turns out that two people live in the same city, work in the same place, see the same things, but interpret them differently. And thus, they live in different realities.
                        That's why the media controls reality.

                        Quote: VlK
                        In reality, the entire USSR was ultimately destroyed outside the window

                        I agree with that.
                      4. +1
                        10 December 2025 22: 18
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        Because journalists and the media shape the state's image both among citizens and in relation to the rest of the world. And this must be done with the utmost professionalism. Because then everyone wonders why young people want to leave the country, why they burn transformers and relay cabinets for pennies, and so on.

                        Or maybe it's not the media's image that's being created, but the fact that Elon Musk has already elevated his program to the highest level, while the guy who mocked him and trolled the Americans with a trampoline then dumped all his promises and plans, except for the Khokhloma-style rocket painting, and now we've lost our only launch pad... Come on, counter that with PR—tell him it'll get even better. Create a positive image; people are idiots. They don't judge the situation based on reality, but on the images created by the media... Am I right in thinking you got your education in the 2000s or 2010s? I'm talking about higher education...
                      5. 0
                        10 December 2025 23: 01
                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        Or maybe it doesn't depend on the image that's being formed in the media, but on the fact that Elon Musk has already taken his program to the highest level, and the guy who mocked him and trolled the Americans with a trampoline then leaked all his promises and plans, except for painting the rocket in Khokhloma style.

                        And how is this article supposed to correct the situation if it's aimed at an audience unconnected to the rocket and space industry and lacking the administrative resources to change it? How is inciting negativity to the audience supposed to help?
                        I previously wrote about a former opposition figure who loved publishing investigative pieces on YouTube and criticizing everything and everyone. I think he had a story about Roscosmos, too. Why invent something new when there's already a ready-made text about the problems, the culprits, the utter hopelessness? And, most importantly, the result will be the same.

                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        Come on, beat this with PR – tell them it will be even better. Create a positive image; people are idiots.

                        Of course, why do we need PR? We can simply read foreign media and learn that Russia has always been a backward state (ever since the days of Potemkov villages), that the USSR survived through repression and won the war not thanks to the courage of Soviet soldiers, outstanding generals, or the heroism of the home front, but through the banal massacre and Lend-Lease. Today, the same old story continues. But now, foreign voices are echoed by those who, in theory, should be overriding their narratives.
                        I don't understand, is it some kind of trend that a true journalist is born only when they've dragged their own patronymic through the mud? Is it shameful to write anything positive about Russia these days?
                        Foreign writers will write about our shortcomings and failures, but maybe our authors should stand out from this chorus and write something good about the country in which they live (if they live in it, of course)?
                        Why should I, after reading Russian authors, be ashamed of the country where I live? Why should I think I can only build a normal life somewhere abroad? I think self-flagellation should be left in the 90s.

                        Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
                        Am I correct in assuming you received your education in the 2000s or 2010s? I'm talking about higher education...

                        Yes you are right.
                    2. +1
                      10 December 2025 22: 07
                      Quote: NordOst16
                      But I don't understand at all

                      Your message is clear. Read Saltykov-Shchedrin, he wrote in the 19th century, mind you – there was no Ukrainian TsIPSO yet... but it's identical...
                    3. 0
                      12 December 2025 19: 39
                      View from Belarus.
                      Quote: NordOst16
                      Why write about it in such a way? To further irritate the general public?

                      The behavior of an ostrich has never led to anything good.
                      Aren't you tired of keeping people in the world of "pink ponies"?
                      1. 0
                        12 December 2025 19: 52
                        Quote: Sergey Tishkov
                        The behavior of an ostrich has never led to anything good.

                        I don't remember panic ever helping anyone.

                        Quote: Sergey Tishkov
                        Aren't you tired of keeping people in the world of "pink ponies"?

                        Life in Russia is quite good, but still far from the setting of a Barbie movie. There are many more pressing issues.
                        So why add more on top, unless the goal is to profit from the discontent of the masses?

                        Quote: Sergey Tishkov
                        View from Belarus.

                        I think it's clear from Belarus today what such things can lead to. And it's a good thing the protests of 20 and 21 weren't allowed to escalate.
                      2. 0
                        12 December 2025 20: 23
                        View from Belarus
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        I think today it is clear from Belarus what such things can lead to.

                        Yes, everything looks great.
                        Quote: NordOst16
                        And it’s very good that the protests of 20-21 were not allowed to take place.

                        Yes, we didn't give it.
                        And you know why?
                        Because they realistically assessed the situation and didn’t hide their heads under the rug, and when necessary, they made quick, tough, and effective decisions.
                        But an ostrich and pink ponies are not our option.
                      3. 0
                        12 December 2025 21: 27
                        Quote: Sergey Tishkov
                        Yes, we didn't give it.

                        I'm sure "We" refers to the employees of the relevant authorities, and not a good portion of VO readers or authors from Belarus. Because there are things that professionals should do.

                        Quote: Sergey Tishkov
                        But an ostrich and pink ponies are not our option.

                        I'd like to write that sowing panic and unrest among the masses isn't our option either, but unfortunately, many authors either don't understand this or are profiting from it. And government agencies, unfortunately, can do nothing about it.
            4. +3
              9 December 2025 20: 08
              Do you still dream about Stalin and the harsh hand of Soviet power?
              1. +1
                9 December 2025 23: 27
                Do you dream of Gorbachev and the soft hand of Soviet power?
              2. +4
                9 December 2025 23: 42
                Well, some people dream of it, but I'm a bit afraid of these times. Things are somehow calmer now.
            5. -2
              9 December 2025 21: 10
              The author, in style and content, is once again aligned with two alarmist "military" RuNet voices—Timokhin and Marzhetsky—who, under the guise of supposed objectivity and highlighting shortcomings and shortcomings, are in fact covertly pushing the ideas of Katz, who advocated surrender (what else can one do if things are so bad?) and apologising for the successes of other countries, both friendly (China) and hostile (the US). Sound ideas about what needs to be done to improve the situation are rarely expressed.
              1. -2
                9 December 2025 23: 41
                I can imagine they're serving the interests of those who are interested in increasing military spending (mirroring the hysteria and threat posed by Russia in the EU). But, in my view, they're doing it in the most discrediting way possible.
                Many of these people often reminisce about the good old days.
                Perhaps our intelligence agencies should listen to their concerns and, I don't know, even consider modern equivalents of Article 58? So that things can get back to the good old days.
              2. 0
                12 December 2025 19: 12
                Quote: Andrey Gladkikh
                Sound ideas about what needs to be done to improve the situation are expressed extremely rarely.

                Well, the author is quite an original analyst and analyzes literally everything he can get his hands on. The materials are quite extensive, sometimes even overdone, but they cover themes, and the conclusions are purely personal and subjective, while the experts sometimes balk at their conclusions. But something else is interesting: sometimes the articles are patriotic, but this one is downright anti-Russian and even decadently critical, which plays into the enemies' hands.
      3. +8
        9 December 2025 19: 04
        Quote: Puncher
        You've already passed the denial and anger phases and reached the point of bargaining. Acceptance is just around the corner.

        I'm already at the acceptance stage; it's been 10 years since I reached it! So I'm completely calm and not worried! It's worth accepting—our country, specifically, lives in a post-industrial era. We're like the tech-priests from Warhammer 40000—we can only maintain the technological artifacts of the Great Civilization of the past. With shamanistic rituals, incantations, sprinklings of holy water, and Khokhloma-style painting! And when an artifact breaks down, that's it, the end... No, we can certainly set up mass production of drones! Their Chinese components... Or the new Moskvich, using the same principle... So relax, we'll always have hydrocarbons, ore, and timber left over... Our ancestors took care of us; we'll get by somehow...
        P.S. What will happen if similar man-made disasters occur at the Baltic Shipyard or Tagil Wagon Plant? Will we be left without icebreakers and tanks?
        P.S. By the way, this launch was also sprinkled with holy water and censed, I saw it myself! Why didn't it work? Was the holy water of poor quality or was the priest unlicensed? am Has a joint commission between Roscosmos and the Russian Orthodox Church already been created to determine the causes?
        ZZZY. And the final nod to the Supreme Commander, a classic one: the Tsar is good, the boyars are bad... wassat
        1. +3
          9 December 2025 19: 14
          Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
          We, like the tech-priests from Warhammer 40000, can only maintain the technological artefacts of the Great Civilization of the past.

          An interesting parallel. I don't really know much about Vakha, though...
          1. 0
            9 December 2025 19: 50
            Quote: Puncher
            I don't really know much about Vakha...

            "I am a Child of the Omnissiah, a devotee of the Machine God. I know the rites of manifold application, the liturgies of kindling, and the songs of machine vision. I speak with the spirits of ancient technical machines, from the martial heart of the battle tank to the secret wisdom of the cogitator."
            — Vox-Servitor Theta, on behalf of the Mechanicus Cult Adept Manuel. laughing

            The Cult Mechanicus, once master of its creations, is enslaved to the past, maintaining its former glory through ritual, dogma, and edicts rather than true understanding and insight.
            For example, even such a theoretically simple process as starting a car engine is preceded by the application of ritual oils, the burning of sacred resins, and the singing of long and complex hymns.

            Does the last paragraph remind you of anything? wassat
            1. +3
              10 December 2025 03: 14
              Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
              Does the last paragraph remind you of anything?

              Very much so...
        2. +1
          12 December 2025 18: 11
          I'm already at the acceptance stage; it's been 10 years since I reached it! So I'm completely calm and not worried! It's worth accepting—our country, specifically, lives in a post-industrial era. We're like the tech-priests from Warhammer 40000—we can only maintain the technological artifacts of the Great Civilization of the past.

          I live in the Svobodny district of the Amur region and I see that many times more money has been invested in the gas processing plant than in the Vostochny Cosmodrome.
          1. 0
            12 December 2025 19: 36
            Quote: atakan
            I live in the Svobodny district of the Amur region and I see that many times more money has been invested in the gas processing plant than in the Vostochny Cosmodrome.

            The gas processing plant, the gas chemical plant, and the thermal power plant expansion... they've invested orders of magnitude more, and that's understandable—it's real money. It's good that they're not just pumping gas to China via the Power of Siberia pipeline, but building a gas chemical plant—they'll be pumping polymer feedstock to China, at least to some degree of processing... As for Vostochny... when I arrived in August, I was told you could see a rocket launch right from the construction site... Cool! I thought, I'll check it out... And then I found out the next one is in December! belay And, in general, there are enough starts per year to cover the fingers of one hand...
            1. 0
              13 December 2025 01: 50
              I built it (the cosmodrome) from the very beginning, so I know.
        3. +1
          12 December 2025 19: 56
          View from Belarus.
          Quote from: AllX_VahhaB
          The Tsar is good, the boyars are bad...

          Yah?
          But for some reason I always thought that the boyars were like the Tsar.
          Well, I was wrong. laughing
          1. 0
            12 December 2025 20: 06
            Quote: Sergey Tishkov
            Yah?
            But for some reason I always thought that the boyars were like the Tsar.

            No... it's not about the Tsar... It's about: "As is the priest, so is the parish" laughing But about the Tsar, that's something else! You have to understand... wassat
      4. -1
        10 December 2025 14: 41
        I didn't experience those phases. The USSR had cutting-edge space exploration, but half the rural population didn't have hot water. I won't even mention sewerage. They produced a thousand tanks a year, but people couldn't buy even the most basic things or groceries in stores. Now, 99% of space funding is direct government spending. Commercial funding has been cut off. We have to live within the available funding.
        1. -2
          10 December 2025 18: 00
          It's still impossible to buy basic things in stores. There was no sausage in the USSR? There's still no sausage today. Sausage and dairy products are everywhere. No milk or meat according to GOST standards. Clothes and shoes fall apart after a month. But there's still no education, no industry, no purpose for the people. Patriotism is looking back. Where are the goals for the future? So, you fail.
          1. +2
            11 December 2025 17: 44
            That's not a pass for you. Our schoolchildren and students are among the best at international competitions. As for production—VSMPO-AVISMA, Rosatom enterprises, UEC-UMPO—you've probably never heard of them. But they're world leaders in their fields.
            That's how it is! And yes, first of all, a piece of advice: LEARN THE STUDY! smile
            1. +1
              12 December 2025 13: 22
              I'm a teacher and I know the data on the ground. You're hovering around a spherical horse in a vacuum. I've even been to Rosatom facilities, and the turnover there is significant. And industry isn't limited to titanium or uranium production. And by the way, remind me which of these enterprises were built from scratch in Russia, without any connection to the USSR. Our schoolchildren excel at Olympiads, but you're confusing the concepts. Research how many of them achieved these heights without additional tutoring, only in school. These kids are great, but there are only dozens of them nationwide, while in the USSR there were thousands. As they say, feel the difference. And yes... LEARN THE SUBJECT MATCH. wink
              1. -1
                12 December 2025 20: 26
                Quote: mongol9999
                I am a teacher and I know the data on the ground.

                Well... that's too abstract. Could you be more specific: teacher of what and where?
                Quote: mongol9999
                Find out how many of them achieved these heights without additional training from tutors, but only at the school base.

                What's the difference? Or don't their foreign competitors use the same methods? So it's not the tutors, but the DATABASE?
                Quote: mongol9999
                but there are dozens of them on a national scale, and in the USSR there were thousands.

                Wow! I can just see it – THOUSANDS OF SOVIET SCHOOLCHILDREN, INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIAD WINNERS! Is this from a parallel universe? wassat
                1. +1
                  27 December 2025 01: 58
                  Soviet schoolchildren weren't really allowed to travel abroad, unless the Olympics were in a socialist country. So there were no thousands. You just made that up, perhaps in the heat of the moment.
                  1. -1
                    28 December 2025 12: 09
                    I didn't come up with this, it was:
                    Quote: mongol9999
                    The guys are great, but there are dozens of them nationwide, while in the USSR there were thousands. As they say, feel the difference.

                    And I meant exactly what you wrote.
          2. -3
            12 December 2025 20: 20
            Quote: mongol9999
            Even now, it's impossible to buy basic things in stores. There was no sausage in the USSR? There's still no sausage today. Sausage and dairy products are everywhere. No milk or meat according to GOST standards. Clothes and shoes fall apart within a month.

            Maybe you're just buying the wrong thing in the wrong place? Or maybe you don't have enough money? Well, it was the same in the USSR – they had premium butter, the perfect color with a teardrop mark. You cut it with a knife, wrap it in wrapping paper, and it smells amazing! But not for everyone, only those with connections, or you can show up at the bakery at 6 a.m. and try to get in line. But for everyone: first-grade butter – yellow, with a margarine smell, and when the saleswoman tries to cut it, it just crumbles! And I'm not even talking about the different time zones, the different regional categories, the supply levels, and the different categories of citizens who can "get" something. So, some things have changed – now it's easier to earn enough money to gain access to normal consumption than to break into this exclusive club of consumers.
        2. -2
          12 December 2025 19: 42
          Quote: Glagol1
          The USSR had advanced cosmonautics, but half of the rural population did not have hot water.

          What do you mean you didn't? Were you too lazy to heat the bathhouse? laughing
          1. 0
            27 December 2025 02: 01
            Only cold water came out of the tap. Taking a shower was impossible, and washing dishes was a chore. You can't heat up the sauna every time.
            1. -1
              28 December 2025 12: 15
              Quote: Glagol1
              You can't heat up the bathhouse here every time.

              You don't have to heat up the banya every time. They heat it once a week, usually on Saturdays, and then reheat it every evening, so there's always warm water and you can rinse off before bed. This comes from personal experience – in the 90s, I was doing land inventory, traveling around the north, renting a house in the village, and that's how it was...
    2. +8
      9 December 2025 07: 54
      The accident-free operation, as already noted above, is the merit of Korolev and his comrades.
      1. wku
        18+
        9 December 2025 09: 29
        Are you seriously talking about the accident-free launches of Korolev's time? In his memoirs, Korolev acknowledged that the probability of Gagarin's successful return was no more than 50%, but it had to be done, and they decided to go ahead with that launch. I won't list all the accidents and disasters (with fatalities) of Korolev's time, and without disparaging his achievements, I will note that the Soviet cosmonauts' accident-free status was achieved much later.
        1. +8
          9 December 2025 10: 42
          Exactly!! Experience allows you to avoid making mistakes, but to gain experience, you have to make mistakes.
        2. +3
          9 December 2025 18: 52
          Quote: wku
          I will not list all the accidents and disasters (with casualties) of the Korolev period, and without diminishing his merits, I will note that the accident-free nature of Soviet cosmonautics was achieved much later.

          Because the accidents revealed all the weak points and they were eliminated. That's why that experience was so valuable.
    3. 10+
      9 December 2025 12: 59
      "The reasons are well-known, there are two: sanctions and funding cuts." I think the bigger impact was the appointment of loyalists to leadership positions, not professionals, who know full well that they won't face any consequences for their mistakes, except being reassigned to another, equally comfortable position.
    4. +3
      9 December 2025 15: 56
      Everything is correct. No starts, no disasters.
    5. +3
      9 December 2025 18: 04
      Quote: Glagol1
      The main thing in recent years is the trouble-free launches

      Accident-free driving can be achieved in different ways.
      Our accident-free record in recent years, which you mentioned, is well explained by the reduction in the number of launches themselves
      and, in principle, if there are no starts at all, then there will be no accidents!
      as, incidentally, of cosmonautics itself...
      This is an unexpected aspect of accident-free operation.
    6. 0
      9 December 2025 20: 52
      The lease means nothing; new authorities can join the sanctions regime at any moment, as happened with the international Kourou.
      1. 0
        27 December 2025 02: 05
        Kazakhstan won't sanction anything just like that. Not because they're friends. 80% of their oil exports go through the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC), which means through us. If they cut off something for us, we'll shut down the CPC. And then Kazakhstan's budget will be screwed. Instantly, that is, right away. wassat
    7. +2
      10 December 2025 23: 54
      How did you get downvoted, though? belay It looks like the doomsayers, like crows, have swooped down...
      About your
      The forums say it will be repaired in six months. That's not a given, of course. But with new equipment, it seems like it will take a long time.
      There are a lot of different forecasters (often quite far from space), and about a week ago I contacted my classmate (and we once graduated from School #30 in the city of Leninsk / Baikonur), who has been working at the Baikonur Cosmodrome for more than 35 years (after graduating from the Leninsk branch of MAI) ... I asked him a question: "What's going on with the 31st pad?" He answered briefly and laconically: "They are doing it ... the next launch is in March ... the alarmists "tormented" us!" I put the word "tortured" in quotation marks there because he expressed himself more rudely (obscenely), what is he trying to write here ... Something like that.
  2. 15+
    9 December 2025 03: 47
    Baikonur has reached the final stage

    If only that were the case, it would be inevitable. Russian manned space exploration is reaching its final stages.
    further only the Eastern one or the trampoline?

    We can't afford the "Trampoline" project. Musk might offer a discount, but either way, it's millions of dollars in American money. We need at least two astronauts on the ISS.
    A ROS with an inclination of 97 degrees will be more advantageous for us when launching from our Vostochny Cosmodrome

    We've already replayed the game; the hypothetical ROS will be in ISS orbit.
    Will they go and bow to Musk so that he can give them a ride to the ISS?

    A bow to NASA. But every kilogram costs money. NASA will, of course, have to resolve the issue of supplying the ISS, but they will demand payment, since NASA's budget has no additional funds; it has already been cut to the bone.
    How will crew changes take place on the Russian segment?

    The only option is to keep them until the launch is restored. There are no other options; no one will deliver our cosmonauts into orbit for free. How much did we charge the Americans for one seat? 80 million American dollars?
    What's easier: repairing the launch site at Baikonur or refurbishing the Vostochny launch site?

    They've already announced that 31 launch sites will be repaired. It's fortunate that this happened before the implementation of the plans to reorganize the Central Research Institute of Space Research (TsENKI), which, according to reports, was intended to optimize the launch complex research institutes.
    1. 29+
      9 December 2025 04: 24
      The wretched, wretched optimizers from among the “effective managers” have gone too far in their cost-cutting.
      In many ways this is true, and not only in astronautics...
      1. 16+
        9 December 2025 05: 20
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        In many ways this is true, and not only in astronautics...

        In space exploration, this was completely unwise. What is our greatness based on? On victories. One of those victories is in space. When patriots of all stripes talk about space, their main claim is "we are the best in manned spaceflight," and relatively recently, we were the only ones, which added a lot of pride (like, we all contributed to this). By ruining manned spaceflight, the notorious "optimizer" managers killed the cash cow that could still generate funds, from which they could significantly optimize a certain portion to their advantage.
        And now they'll be forced to approach the government with an outstretched hand for N-tens of billions of rubles to save "Russian space." What's needed:
        1. Pay for the repair of the launch complex;
        2. Pay for NASA services for delivering cargo to the ISS;
        3. Pay for NASA's services for delivering astronauts to the ISS.
        The budget for 2026 has already been adopted and it is in deficit.
        1. -10
          9 December 2025 08: 08
          Quote: Puncher
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          In many ways this is true, and not only in astronautics...

          In space exploration, this was completely unwise. What is our greatness based on? On victories. One of those victories is in space. When patriots of all stripes talk about space, their main claim is "we are the best in manned spaceflight," and relatively recently, we were the only ones, which added a lot of pride (like, we all contributed to this). By ruining manned spaceflight, the notorious "optimizer" managers killed the cash cow that could still generate funds, from which they could significantly optimize a certain portion to their advantage.
          And now they'll be forced to approach the government with an outstretched hand for N-tens of billions of rubles to save "Russian space." What's needed:
          1. Pay for the repair of the launch complex;
          2. Pay for NASA services for delivering cargo to the ISS;
          3. Pay for NASA's services for delivering astronauts to the ISS.
          The budget for 2026 has already been adopted and it is in deficit.

          The ISS is in its final years. Nothing terrible will happen if flights are suspended. On the other hand, if the Americans are interested in the functioning of the Russian module, then let them transport ours at their own expense.
          1. +9
            9 December 2025 08: 49
            Quote: Panin (Michman)
            If the Americans are interested in the functioning of the Russian module, then let them transport ours at their own expense.

            They might want to, but they don't have the funds. It's not included in the budget.
            Quote: Panin (Michman)
            Nothing bad will happen if flights are suspended.

            For the ISS, this is premature flooding.
        2. 28+
          9 December 2025 08: 30
          What is the foundation of our greatness? Victories. One of these victories is cosmic.

          Remember how they covered the "new space race" a few years ago? How incredibly important it was that Luna-25 beat either the Indians or the Chinese by a couple of days... I can't remember. And then there was that deafening silence in the news after that epic slam?
          In my humble opinion, it's the same here—while the remaining strength of the metal gave reason to be proud of the domestic space program at a reasonable price, it was widely celebrated. As soon as it becomes too expensive (and it seems it already is), airtime for stories about Gagarin will be given over to stories about Suvorov or Nevsky. And everything else will quietly be phased out.
          1. +5
            9 December 2025 13: 18
            No, it's precisely because of the current lack of success in Russian cosmonautics that they will increasingly focus on past victories.
            Praising the past is easy, and most importantly, almost free. But to create a source of pride today, you have to work, spend money on specialists and custom software, not just pilfer.
        3. VlK
          0
          9 December 2025 14: 21
          But really, what is the value of manned spaceflight for our country today? What if we dispense with abstract "advanced theoretical research in orbit in various fields," maintaining cutting-edge positions in the field, and maintaining the country's prestige? What if we have truly strategically vital and completely unmet needs in communications, reconnaissance, and targeting? Or, for example, the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Weapons in Space—I'm simply amateurishly convinced that it only exists until one side gains a clear technological advantage over the other in this area, collapsing the existing balance of power—in which case it will be instantly forgotten. And this potential threat in the future—it's more terrifying than all others, in my opinion, and we must invest everything we can into solving it today. But where does this leave manned spaceflight, which consumes a ton of already severely limited resources? Hasn't it today become an extremely costly, self-sustaining process, bringing no obvious benefits? Perhaps its place in Roscosmos's goals today should be in last place?
          1. +4
            9 December 2025 18: 57
            Quote: VlK
            Perhaps its place in Roscosmos's goals today should be in last place?

            You're right that ineffective management of the industry has led to a lack of ambition for space exploration, meaning there's no development. In this case, manned spaceflight is redundant, as it offers nothing new. But eliminating it would lead to a complete loss of expertise.
            1. VlK
              -1
              9 December 2025 20: 38
              But you have to admit—such ambitions must be based on something substantial, not on mere show-offs like "competitions among technologically advanced nations" and reminiscing about past greatness. Maintaining competencies is good, but such expenditures, in my opinion, should be focused on meaningful prospects. What can the development of manned spaceflight offer our country, at least in the medium term?
              1. +2
                9 December 2025 20: 53
                Well, when your ambitions are to "optimize" next year's budget, and your technological interests end with hydrocarbons and the means to deliver them to consumers, then yes, space exploration is unnecessary; it's even harmful. Even ignoring the distant prospects of abandoning our little blue globe in search of new horizons (including raw materials), read up on how many dollars of profit each dollar invested in the space program generates. Or, by your logic, even after the collapse of the USSR, foolish capitalists continue to burn through billions of dollars on space exploration without any benefit to themselves?
                1. VlK
                  0
                  9 December 2025 21: 12
                  But still, what about manned spaceflight specifically, and leaving aside the fantasy of interplanetary human migration? Capitalist planning presupposes clearly defined goals and a business plan for achieving them, which is probably why space is profitable for them. Why can't we do the same?
                  1. 0
                    9 December 2025 21: 16
                    Why we can't do that isn't my question, and anyway, such questions can get you into trouble these days. As for manned spaceflight specifically, no matter how much marketers claim otherwise, there's no artificial equivalent of a human being as a combination of autonomy, situational analysis, decision-making, and action execution, and there isn't one in sight in the near future. Not everything can be automated and robotized in a reasonable timeframe and at a reasonable cost.
              2. -1
                10 December 2025 03: 20
                Quote: VlK
                Such ambitions must be based on something substantial, not on bare show-offs in the form of a "competition of achievements among technologically advanced powers" and memories of past greatness.

                Naturally. But even with limited resources, you can focus on one goal.
                Quote: VlK
                What can the development of manned spaceflight give our country, at least in the medium term?

                The next step is to establish a base, even if only for temporary residence, on other planets. If we're first in this, people will immediately show up willing to help, either from the West or the East.
                1. VlK
                  0
                  10 December 2025 13: 03
                  The next step is to establish a base, even if only for temporary residence, on other planets. If we're first in this, people will immediately show up willing to help, either from the West or the East.
                  It seems to me (and I could be quite wrong) that these aren't exactly blueprints, but rather rather vague estimates of future possibilities—WITHOUT ANY ECONOMIC FOUNDATION, meaning they're essentially just dreams, with no justification for their actual necessity. Mr. I. Musk, for example, has taken a completely different approach—he's already implemented commercially successful space projects that humanity needs right now, meaning he a) had a clear economic justification and calculations for them, and b) achieved results by consistently moving step by step, building on current capabilities, rather than looking beyond the horizon. In other words, he immediately focused on solving practical and achievable problems. This is where we see the main difference in their approaches. And yet, it's he, not Roscosmos, who is building the future right now, which is especially disappointing for us, with our previous foundation.
                  1. 0
                    10 December 2025 17: 31
                    Quote: VlK
                    He had already implemented commercially successful projects in space that were in demand by humanity right now, that is, a) he had a clear economic justification and calculation for them and b) he achieved results by consistently moving step by step, and starting from current capabilities.

                    Musk did everything he created within the framework of his plans to explore Mars.
                    1. Electric cars - on Mars, cars with internal combustion engines are impossible, only electric cars.
                    2. They can only move under the surface and that is why Boring companies.
                    3. On Mars, a communication system will be needed that is not dependent on local storms; for this, Starlink.
                    4. On Mars, a lot of work needs to be done on the surface, and robots are used for that.
                    5. We need to fly to Mars often and in large numbers, so only reusable rockets are needed.
                    6. There is no oil on Mars, so the only fuel is methane.
                    Everything he needed on Mars fit remarkably well with his earthly needs and provided him with prosperity. If he planned all of this in advance and calculated its commercial success, then he is undoubtedly a genius.
                    1. VlK
                      0
                      10 December 2025 18: 25
                      If he planned all this in advance and calculated the commercial success, then he is undoubtedly a genius.
                      Judging by how quickly it took hold here on Earth and began to bring him profit, that's true. Although it's an axiom that under capitalism, money loves to be counted, and there's no place for abstract dreams in business, and he's a seasoned capitalist.
                  2. 0
                    10 December 2025 17: 34
                    Quote: VlK
                    He, not Roscosmos, is building the future right now.

                    Let's be honest about this. No one else in the world has planned anything similar. Therefore, by blaming the Republic of Kazakhstan, one could blame all the world's space agencies.
                    1. VlK
                      0
                      10 December 2025 18: 26
                      Well, we don't really care about other KAs, we should focus on the best?
              3. 0
                14 December 2025 09: 04
                Here we need to talk not about what manned spaceflight will give us right now, but about what we will lose. And what we will lose is precisely the possibility of manned flights. Like, for example, the United States, half a century after flights to the Moon, suddenly realized they had "forgotten" how to make spacesuits for such missions.
                1. VlK
                  0
                  14 December 2025 15: 17
                  Let me repeat: what exactly, point by point, does human spaceflight give us, and what will it give us in the future, other than the ongoing maintenance of competencies and some abstract leadership in this field? Otherwise, it looks like a suitcase without a handle—impossible to carry, but a shame to throw away. In the capitalist world we live in now, nothing is done just for the sake of it; there must be some clearly justified purpose, at the very least. Otherwise, forgive me, it all looks like the usual endless embezzlement of funds under the guise of lofty goals.
                  1. 0
                    14 December 2025 18: 34
                    Unfortunately, our "effective managers" who have seized power in both science and economics reason exactly as you do. The main thing is to save a ruble now (and preferably for themselves), and no one cares that this will lead to millions in losses later. What was the purpose of semiconductor research? Precisely then, and not now, when we know that it has revolutionized our entire lives. What was the practical purpose of heredity research? Which led to the emergence of genetics and genetic engineering.
                    Well, the ones who are most actively involved in embezzlement are those who are looking for immediate gain in everything.
                  2. 0
                    14 December 2025 19: 04
                    I dread to even imagine how many billions have been wasted in the space industry under the guise of cost-cutting. When a project (a necessary project) was abandoned halfway through, funding wasn't allocated. And years later, when they finally came to their senses and found the money, the same specialists were gone, the material base had to be rebuilt, the technologies, contractors, and so on had changed. In other words, the project essentially starts from scratch. Incidentally, work on reusable stages in Russia began before Musk, but... cost "optimization." As one Roscosmos executive (before Rogozin) put it, "Why do we need new rockets? We fly just fine on the old ones."
                    1. VlK
                      0
                      15 December 2025 11: 45
                      So this is a direct consequence of the lack of clearly defined long-term goals, without which such constant, chaotic lurching from project to project, each time driven by current priorities, is possible? I believe I'm right that in the near future, Roscosmos will neither have an unlimited budget nor the ability to cover, develop, and support every possible area at once. One way or another, it will have to set priorities and start thinking about the profitability of space programs—there's no other way to do that in the modern world.
                      1. 0
                        15 December 2025 21: 06
                        Payback is good and proper. But here we have a very primitive understanding of it: I invest a ruble today, pay back two tomorrow, otherwise it's unprofitable. This doesn't take into account that payback doesn't always happen tomorrow, especially for large projects. Plus, Roscosmos is essentially just a cab driver. It doesn't own the launched satellites, it doesn't organize scientific experiments in space, and it won't reap the profits from them. But the expenses, like those for the ISS, the spaceports, or astronaut training, are his. Musk has it all: he built the rocket himself, launched his own satellites, sells internet traffic himself, and pockets all the profits. And he made his fortune thanks to government investment.
                        And priorities are, of course, necessary. You can't embrace the immensity.
          2. +1
            10 December 2025 11: 19
            Well, really, what is the value of manned spaceflight for our country today?
            What was the value of the emergence and development of shipbuilding and steam engines when everyone was sailing, or the transition to metalworking when it was possible to make tools from stone and bone? Progress. So that we don't end up kicking ourselves later, finding ourselves on the sidelines at yet another historical moment, playing catch-up with a slog and sacrifices.
            Purely theoretically, space is an excellent raw material base.
            1. VlK
              0
              10 December 2025 13: 07
              And what was the value of the emergence and development of ship and steam engines, when everyone was sailing, or the transition to metalworking, when it was possible to make tools from stone and bone?
              They brought practical results almost immediately and provided a tangible advantage; otherwise, no one would have done it. The word "progress" was later coined by literary historians for a completely different purpose—to describe the historical processes of social development.
          3. +2
            10 December 2025 14: 38
            But where does this leave space exploration, which consumes so much of already limited resources,? Hasn't it become a costly, self-sustaining process, offering no obvious benefits? Perhaps its place in Roscosmos's goals should be entirely at the bottom of the list?


            "Obvious benefits" immediately, besides political ones, manned spaceflight
            It doesn't. You're right. But it's just as vital as it is necessary.
            fundamental science to applied science.
            It would seem, what are all these scientific minds doing at the Russian Academy of Sciences?
            They're no use at all! They don't grow potatoes. They don't drive buses.
            Not a single satellite, not a single flight to the planets of the solar system has been made by humanity
            would not have happened if a guy named Newton, sitting under an apple tree,
            didn't derive the formula for universal gravitation. Damn it, it was she,
            is the basis for the calculations of ALL launches, commercial, military,
            manned, ALL.
            Those priceless, literally and figuratively, bits of knowledge and experience,
            achieved in manned spaceflight lay the foundation for future
            achievements.
            Well, at least try to compare Gagarin's spacesuit or NASA's lunar astronauts.
            half a century ago, with what people wear today when going into outer space.
            It's the difference between a cart and a Mercedes. And no water tests, either.
            You won't polish it or bring it to perfection by jumping from dizzying heights.
            Only manned spaceflight. This is the foundation of all space exploration.
            The experience and results of research conducted in orbit are the subject
            many years of follow-up research. They will bear fruit in the future and far
            not right away.
            Kapitsa, for example, discovered the phenomena of superfluidity and superconductivity
            materials, conducting fundamental research in a completely different
            direction. And only now are we slowly beginning to approach the applied
            use of these phenomena.
            The country needs manned space exploration as much as fundamental science.
            It's expensive. There's no direct return. But it's necessary if we want to move forward at all.
            further than the headlights in front of us shine.
            The beds need to be watered. You can't wait for rain from the sky.
            1. VlK
              0
              10 December 2025 14: 49
              The country needs manned space exploration as much as fundamental science.

              This is generally understandable; it's more about prioritizing when creating a budget, focusing on which resources and efforts should be devoted to addressing immediate and critical issues, and which to maintaining current levels and competencies for now. But in my opinion, we may well find ourselves short on resources for everything, even maintenance. Should we then shut down all areas at once, spreading resources and specialists evenly across them? And what would be the solution then? Which areas should we freeze?
              1. 0
                10 December 2025 15: 15
                Which directions should be frozen?


                Don't freeze anything. But give money. Let them at least
                They'll print it. It won't put pressure on inflation. Every penny,
                "flown into space" will give a return in the future. Not to ours
                generation, I agree. But otherwise we will lose much more.
                How we've already lost a working Buran. And it looks like forever.
                The Roscosmos budget, although classified, like the military one,
                but I suspect much less of it.
                Not to mention the budgets of ministries and departments in part
                concerning only the content of their apparatus, as such,
                even if they don't do anything at all, but only
                "to be present."
                Even if the garden bed doesn’t need any fertilizer, watering is still a must.
              2. 0
                14 December 2025 09: 21
                Under Brezhnev, for example, there was enough money for enormous military spending, advanced space exploration, cutting-edge science, free housing, healthcare, and education. This was despite the fact that oil and gas revenues were almost an order of magnitude lower (they sold less and at lower prices). Incidentally, there were also sanctions on high-tech products, and very harsh ones at that.
                So maybe the problem isn't what to cut? We've already cut (one might even say slaughtered) science and education, so what? Are we making a major push in other areas? Or are we just overflowing with money?
                1. VlK
                  0
                  14 December 2025 15: 10
                  So maybe the problem isn't what to cut?

                  Perhaps. And even likely. But how do you envision a return to "that" budget without fantasies about changing the socio-economic system and other utopian options? Based on our current political and economic realities?
                  1. 0
                    14 December 2025 17: 33
                    Unfortunately, I can't imagine it. I'm absolutely certain that some Miller or Gref would never voluntarily give up their "earned" millions a day. Therefore, I see Russia's future in bleak terms. And talk of "cutting" one thing for the sake of developing another is utopian.
        4. +4
          9 December 2025 17: 18
          Greatness is not based on victories, but on industry, education, and science. Victories are a derivative of everything I have listed.
          1. +1
            9 December 2025 18: 59
            Quote: Pioneer1984
            Greatness is not based on victories, but on industry, education, and science. Victories are a derivative of everything I have listed.

            How can one disagree with this... But the current government is accustomed to living off the achievements of the great.
            1. 0
              10 December 2025 11: 34
              How can one disagree with this... But the current government is accustomed to living off the achievements of the great.
              And just power?
              Everyone to the factories! To the machines! No, too many have become accustomed to soft, cozy chairs, clean collars, and the absence of dirt under their fingernails. The country has long and firmly lived by the principle: "let someone else do it." And here you are talking about power.
              I agree with some of the speakers above. Some are, by nature, alarmist ferrets.
              1. +1
                10 December 2025 11: 36
                Quote: Maxim Kudinov
                Everybody to the factories! To the machines!

                Let's say you have sufficient machine skills and are willing to work for food. Why do you think this will solve your problems?
                1. +1
                  12 December 2025 13: 32
                  Russians are for justice. If everyone, without exception, says "To the machine" and "For food," then that's how it should be. If I say "To the machine," and someone like Rogozin says "I'm going," then that's not how it's supposed to work.
                  1. 0
                    8 January 2026 08: 39
                    Justice is a fickle woman, always more "fair" toward someone else. And since it "won't work"—and it won't, anywhere, ever, because equal conditions don't exist on planet Earth, by the very nature of life—it's best to just lie down and die. ;)
                2. -1
                  8 January 2026 08: 45
                  Well, it's definitely better to complain about your plight and the thieving officials. The officials, it's terrifying, never change, century after century, and from system to system. Live by the principle: "Let someone else do it." ;)
                  1. 0
                    8 January 2026 21: 41
                    I fought, and you? I know this comment is short.
              2. VlK
                -1
                10 December 2025 13: 26
                And just power?
                Everyone to the factories! To the machines! No, too many have become accustomed to soft, cozy chairs, clean collars, and the absence of dirt under their fingernails. The country has long and firmly lived by the principle: "let someone else do it." And here you are talking about power.

                Uh, no, our people are perfectly capable of working like donkeys when necessary, for example, as couriers in brutal conditions beyond all standards, but for decent pay. Our government, since the Soviet era, has gotten used to feeding people promises and slogans instead of proper pay and decent working conditions, only they also need specialists. But it seems there are almost no fools left. Pay at your factory according to demand—there will be a line for you, but for now, yes—let someone else meet these conditions. Why should it be any different?
        5. +3
          9 December 2025 19: 04
          Why then do the leaders and organizers of the collapse of the domestic cosmonautics not go on a rampage, but continue to remain in leadership positions?
          1. +2
            9 December 2025 19: 15
            Quote: rs777
            Why then do the leaders and organizers of the collapse of the domestic cosmonautics not go on a rampage, but continue to remain in leadership positions?

            You're a strange one. These positions are cozy and lucrative. It's called a "feeding trough." If you lose it, there's no guarantee you'll be allowed to work for another one, because they're all slurping up their own mugs...
        6. +1
          10 December 2025 18: 06
          You haven't taken into account the most important expense: convincing the public that nothing has happened and that everything is normal in space exploration.
  3. +5
    9 December 2025 03: 56
    There was news on the soap yesterday... that they found a "cabin"... somewhere in the bins... winked We will see ...
    1. 18+
      9 December 2025 04: 32
      Quote: Popuas
      found the "cabin"... somewhere in the bins...

      They found it in Petrovich's garage, among other scraps. Just kidding, of course.
      There are already a bunch of these statements, they are already writing that they promise to restore it by Cosmonautics Day 2026.
      P.S.: Is this the final test of optimism?
      1. +5
        9 December 2025 10: 38
        P.S.: Is this the final test of optimism?
        Well, this is for the ultra-patriots.
      2. 0
        9 December 2025 14: 21
        Alex unsubscribed below..not Petrovich winked, but still...
    2. +7
      9 December 2025 10: 33
      Quote: Popuas
      There was news on the soap yesterday... that they found a "cabin"... somewhere in the bins... winked We will see ...

      Well, considering that during Rogozin's time as Deputy Prime Minister in the Motherland's bins They found a new sonar antenna for "Ekaterinburg" - I wouldn't be surprised by anything anymore. smile
    3. +4
      9 December 2025 11: 06
      There's so much stuff stored at the Tambov arsenal. I've been working there since the early 1990s. There are three of these cabins there; all that's left is to remove them from storage and deliver them to Baikonur.
      1. +1
        9 December 2025 14: 19
        I skimmed through the news...there was a topic there, like some kind of... Yes ..If your words are true, I will be only glad. drinks
  4. -12
    9 December 2025 04: 05
    It's just a metal structure, what's so complicated about it?
    1. +8
      9 December 2025 04: 29
      Quote from iommy
      It's just a metal structure, what's so complicated about it?

      Yeah, it's as easy as pie...
      1. +4
        9 December 2025 14: 10
        Quote: Puncher
        Quote from iommy
        It's just a metal structure, what's so complicated about it?

        Yeah, it's as easy as pie...
        At a plant that was almost entirely dedicated to space exploration, in the early 90s, before it collapsed, we were building a container for transporting a "product." It took three months to build. We didn't see the "product" itself—it was in a closed assembly shop on the plant's premises (that is, a shop with additional access). We only had the drawings.
        Three months. And, you'd think, what's so complicated? It's just a metal box, a slightly unusual shape... It's big enough to fit onto a train platform...
  5. -6
    9 December 2025 04: 18
    Large-scale structural changes are coming to the Russian economy...announced by the Russian president. what
    I think they will also affect Baikonur.
    I expect major upheavals in all areas of our country's life in 2026.
    1. 29+
      9 December 2025 05: 00
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I expect major upheavals in all areas of our country's life in 2026.

      You can't even imagine what they are like! request
    2. 45+
      9 December 2025 05: 41
      Will there be taxes on air, water and last year's snow? bully
      1. 14+
        9 December 2025 07: 56
        "And many new ones would have been introduced!" Agabek chimed in, his dreams ablaze. "For example, a tax on tears..."

        "What a great idea! A tribute to tears would bring forth more tears, and more tears, more tribute. And so on—endlessly... What boundless wisdom! For this thought alone, you should be made grand vizier immediately!"
      2. 26+
        9 December 2025 08: 27
        Will there be taxes on air, water, and last year's snow?


        Yes, sir, you are out of touch with reality. laughing
        Water taxes have been around for a long time—for the use of water resources. Try watering your garden from the nearest river—you'll get a fine for illegal water use. Just install a meter and pay the fine.
        Everything for the people... At the request of the workers.
      3. 14+
        9 December 2025 10: 34
        Quote: faiver
        Will there be taxes on air, water and last year's snow? bully

        The classic is:
        1. +1
          9 December 2025 16: 54
          There was a proposal (true, a joke, but in every joke...) without transport tax - no car, no driving, no petrol/diesel consumption PAY.
          1. 0
            10 December 2025 10: 24
            Quote: vadim dok
            There was a proposal (true, a joke, but in every joke...) without transport tax - no car, no driving, no petrol/diesel consumption PAY.

            Well... it's just a tax on childlessness (no children - pay!) applied to a car. smile
            1. 0
              10 December 2025 11: 44
              Well... it's just a tax on childlessness (no children - pay!) applied to a car.
              Well... This tax was introduced back in the Soviet Union, blessed by many, and then abolished under that damned EBN. And here we go again... What's your complaint, fellow citizens? Everything is according to the law. ;)
      4. +4
        9 December 2025 13: 23
        Recycling fee for disposable tableware)
      5. +5
        9 December 2025 14: 23
        And the pension is at 100 years old...they've already started buzzing...they say you can live a long time and work. angry
      6. 0
        9 December 2025 16: 33
        Quote: faiver
        Will there be taxes on air, water and last year's snow? bully

        These taxes have always been there. It's as if they weren't noticed. hi Do we pay for water? We do. And we also buy questionable purification... The environment, clean air - costs a lot of money... Well, we regularly pay for snow removal and cleaning last year. And we will pay for future snow. Finita la comedia. Reality.
    3. +9
      9 December 2025 05: 53
      What? Again?!
      Will the Central Bank cut the interest rate by 0.5%?
      Baikonur is abroad. The Kazakhs act like hohols. Whatever I can't eat, I'll bite. They'll post guards at every intersection, and you won't be able to get through without a bribe.
      Even the railway and highway had to be built around them. Everyone was so fed up with the steppe horsemen in uniform.
      It's even easier to find and build a place for a cosmodrome than with them.
      1. +3
        9 December 2025 08: 08
        Kazakhs behave like khokh l

        And even worse
      2. +3
        9 December 2025 14: 28
        Quote: MCmaximus
        Baikonur is abroad. The Kazakhs act like hohols. Whatever I can't eat, I'll bite. They'll post guards at every intersection, and you won't be able to get through without a bribe.
        If we think about it sensibly, what relation do the Kazakhs have to Baikonur?
        They weren't allowed into Leninsk - it was simply a closed city and that's all.
        You could walk around the site all day, and you'd only see two or three people at most—Kazakh drivers, sometimes hauling concrete from the mixing plants in dump trucks. There were business travelers from all over the Soviet Union, but no local Kazakhs.
        Why on earth did they give them Baikonur, and now we're even paying rent and have given away the Gagarin Launch Site?

        Ideally, the entire complex, including all the sites, the MIKs, Leninsk, and Tyuratam, is Russian territory as the legal successor to the USSR. It has a road and rail connection from Russian territory, and a 100-kilometer-long security zone across the steppe to the left and right.
        1. +4
          9 December 2025 14: 40
          Now tell them this! laughing laughing laughing Russian Ivan is distinguished by his unprecedented generosity.
        2. +3
          9 December 2025 15: 29
          Ideally, the entire complex, including all the sites, the MIKs, Leninsk, and Tyuratam, is Russian territory as the legal successor to the USSR. It has a road and rail connection from Russian territory, and a 100-kilometer-long security zone across the steppe to the left and right.
          There has never been such a state. The entire territory of Kazakhstan is Russia!
          1. +2
            9 December 2025 20: 11
            Quote: the most important
            There has never been such a state. The entire territory of Kazakhstan is Russia!
            What the hell do we need them for with their steppes? We can't even eat our own minerals, we can't even develop them.

            Let them sit and celebrate the 2300th anniversary of Kazakh statehood (yes, yes! I'm not kidding! Kazakh scientists (which is funny enough) have figured it out and "proved it")...
            But they have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Baikonur.
          2. 0
            9 December 2025 20: 21
            Quote: the most important

            There has never been such a state. The entire territory of Kazakhstan is Russia!

            Uh, what are you getting at? I'm afraid we can't handle two SVOs.
      3. 0
        10 December 2025 11: 49
        Kazakhs behave like khokhly.
        You don't understand, this is different... And the authors also want food.
    4. 17+
      9 December 2025 07: 57
      That's for sure. This is going to be a massive bed rearrangement!
      1. -1
        9 December 2025 09: 24
        But at least the bed linen needs to be washed, since they don’t want to change the staff.
        1. +5
          9 December 2025 09: 35
          This is what "cost optimization" is all about. Why bother washing if nothing will change anyway? The economy needs to be frugal.
      2. 0
        9 December 2025 12: 36
        It's a pity that this won't lead to anything good.
    5. 16+
      9 December 2025 08: 45
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I expect major upheavals in all areas of our country's life in 2026.

      I expect endless odes to the genius of whoever came up with this plan. Lengthy and tedious analytical programs singing songs of praise. Loud reports that in the near future everything will be two and a half times better than planned. The number of reports with beautiful photos will increase exponentially. But essentially, everything will remain exactly as it is now. So many such plans have been made for space exploration, aviation, and so on, and still nothing has happened.
    6. +3
      9 December 2025 12: 34
      I expect major upheavals in all areas of our country's life in 2026.

      How well you formulated the idea "Optimizing the lives of ordinary people for the benefit of those around you know who"
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  7. 24+
    9 December 2025 05: 19
    ...it will be Putin's, of course, the characters will be different, but I think the behavioral style will be the same.
    I don’t know what Vladimir Vladimirovich will tell them; his comrades gave him the situation from the bottom of their hearts, I must admit.

    laughing
    1. 16+
      9 December 2025 06: 47
      There is no space, there is the firmament, and only genies can fly through the air, but it is haram for humans))) I think we need to invite a smarter genie so that he will scare the crap out of our people from the ISS and bring them back to earth, spit and forget about Baikonur. Only "brotherly" Kazakhs can build anything there now, they will take what is ready from the infidels for joy ((and if they build in their own Vostochny, they will steal everything, comrades. I am now looking at the whole holiday of life and thinking how much they can steal from their own country and how long its raw materials will last, because soon the time will come when stumps will stick out instead of forests)) I already have it. Before 2005, they stole our forests, even private owners hired security guards to guard the roads. Transporting oak logs cost a Kamaz-3 rubles, and transporting chestnuts cost security 100 USD)) and now, to get firewood, you have to be Superman. UAZ Tadpole 8-11 thousands((nobody goes into the forest anymore, everything was cut down in the 90-2000s, there really is no business at all, in 40 years it will increase, and the price of firewood has skyrocketed to the price of edged boards((
    2. +1
      9 December 2025 14: 04
      It seems there are some excesses in places.)
  8. 12+
    9 December 2025 05: 25
    "...the devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads."... Prof. P.P. Preobrazhensky
  9. 13+
    9 December 2025 05: 26
    Yeah...
    No one could have expected such a devastating blow to space. Especially since something seemingly unbreakable had broken. And the fact that it was expensive goes without saying.
    The Soviet Union, despite all the difficulties of the post-war period, poured countless billions (in today's prices) into the bare steppe and erected a cyclopean work of engineering art - the cosmodrome.
    Well, this is all pathetic. We need to discuss the matter at hand.
    The author has correctly placed everything on the board, not forgetting to mention the lack of a duplicate site and the bureaucracy.
    The second thing will be more terrible than the lack of funding.
    Smart veterans of the space industry (I'm a veteran too, but not a smart one...) have always had mixed feelings about these bureaucratic rules and laws. Because bureaucracy has allowed us to avoid many unpleasantries in the life of cosmonautics, both technically and personally.
    I mean, to remove heads from under the axe when something happened. And a lot has happened throughout history. A lot...
    But on the other hand, the modern organization of office work and document flow is such that the sheer volume of paperwork and the time it takes to compile, send, and process it (review, comprehend, and respond) can ruin any sensible undertaking. Or, more likely, delay it for months, or even years.
    We can fully trust the experts who say it will take three years to eliminate the consequences of the launch accident.
    Moreover, it seems that in terms of space we are now at a fork in the road.
    Or should we abandon manned spaceflight, because there really is no money, and automatic weapons are cheaper.
    Or rummage through your wallet and, having pulled out your last pennies, pour them into space.
    The solution is neither simple nor straightforward.
    Although there are options...
    1. -6
      9 December 2025 05: 50
      Quote: U-58
      The modern organization of all office work and document flow is such that the mass of paper and the time required to compile, send, and process it (review, comprehension, and reaction) can bury any healthy undertaking.
      Maybe we should switch to an electronic form first? It'll save time, paper, and printer cartridges.
      1. 15+
        9 December 2025 06: 33
        We switched to electronic documents a long time ago. Meanwhile, the volume of paper has increased exponentially. For now, paper is still a DOCUMENT. This includes a printed copy of an electronic message. Again, there's a legal framework. There are plans for virtual documentation, but there are no regulations. A handwritten signature is more valuable and legitimate than an electronic one.
        1. +1
          9 December 2025 15: 48
          I absolutely agree. Despite everything digital, the accounting department and other office supplies operate like a wastepaper mill. And no one has ever needed anything from these archives.
      2. +3
        9 December 2025 07: 01
        Quote: Nagan
        Maybe we should switch to electronic form first?

        This will slow down the making of reasonable decisions by 10... or even 20 times.
      3. 11+
        9 December 2025 10: 36
        Quote: Nagan
        Maybe we should switch to electronic form first?

        Yeah... get the document electronically, print it, sign it, put a stamp, scan it, send it on, and file the original with the signature and stamp. smile
  10. 15+
    9 December 2025 05: 50
    Well, yes. They'll assess the damage. As if it's not clear what needs to be done again. But...
    We need to show the "managers" that we've looked into the matter. Maybe we can fix it? There should be at least three cost options. Then the specifications. Then the design documentation. And that's despite the fact that the design documentation is most likely still the same. But we'll immediately improve it. Ah! There's a tender for the design documentation. And that takes six months to a year. And what if Tyazhmash doesn't win? Oh... best not to think about it. Then there's the tender for manufacturing according to the design documentation. And it would be great if Tyazhmash wins it or is somehow appointed the sole supplier. Otherwise, it could be someone else entirely. You can't prove to the FAS or the prosecutor's office that anyone can't weld metal structures. But what a joy for the anti-corruption fighters!
    And these regulations were introduced to silence the "anti-corruption fighters." It's simply impossible to do anything quickly and efficiently.
    I know of one exception – the Crimean Bridge. They ignored the law and order and simply handed over the construction to Rotenberg. I don't know how much he allegedly "stole," but the bridge is built and standing.
    But here's how much was NOT DONE, thanks to the fight against corruption... And not because it was stolen, but because it is generally impossible to do this legally.
    For that fought for it and ran.
    And then, once again, the conscientious people will complain that the government's money was wasted and nothing was done. Or rejoice that someone was jailed for not following the paperwork.
    In this case, something awakens a longing for Comrade Beria...
  11. 10+
    9 December 2025 05: 52
    Quote: faiver
    Will there be taxes on air, water and last year's snow?
    By all means
  12. 12+
    9 December 2025 05: 55
    Baikonur has reached the final stage, is it only Vostochny or a trampoline next?
    No.
    Calm down. And there will be no trampoline.
    request
    Next up is the project "energy bowl of rice" for China. Anyone interested can Google it and find out who wrote it, what it's about, and where it was said.
    1. +4
      9 December 2025 07: 28
      Quote: Wildcat
      "energy rice bowl" for China

      It sounds kind of offensive... a bowl... Just a bowl? Not an ocean or even a canister, just a bowl...
  13. 14+
    9 December 2025 05: 56
    There is no need to go to extremes... bully They gave the order to fix everything by April 12, in the best traditions of the memorable date... hi And the president gave the command to IMMEDIATELY begin structural changes to the economy. "Locomotive, stop, one, two!" So... smile
    1. 12+
      9 December 2025 06: 14
      "Woke up" and decided to "immediately begin structural changes"... But it doesn't work that way and can't work that way.
      And in general, it becomes scary for the future of children and grandchildren.
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    3. 11+
      9 December 2025 08: 11
      Something like: "Can 9 pregnant women give birth in a month?"
    4. +5
      9 December 2025 11: 58
      So, when these baritones shout "Beat the devastation!" – I laugh. <...> I swear to you, I find it funny! This means that each of them should be beating themselves on the back of the head! And when they have cleared out all these hallucinations and are busy cleaning out the barns – their real business – the devastation will disappear of its own accord." F.F. Preobrazhensky, Heart of a Dog.
    5. 0
      9 December 2025 13: 32
      No, well, anyone can give the order. And what actually happens, we'll see in the spring. If they manage to restore it by April 12th, the engineers who restored everything are heroes.
      1. +2
        9 December 2025 18: 52
        Yeah, heroes... Try finding a competent welder these days (not to mention passport holders who can weld high-pressure pipelines). They certainly exist, but compared to the USSR, they're rare these days. And they're obviously not cheap. And how many kilometers of welds does the cabin have? You won't find that information online, but the approximate linear length of the 8U216 cabin's welds is 5,000-10,000 meters (neural network). Okay, theoretically, 6-8 qualified welders could weld everything in 3 months, working 3 shifts, but that also includes parts preparation, installation, and flaw detection, for good measure. And what a buck! 100-120 million rubles (and attention because I wonder how much corrupt officials will value it, not an impartial neural network). That leaves a month for delivery and installation on the table. How much is needed? Approximately: Installation of a completed 8U216 cabin on the launch pad will take 30-40 calendar days (4-6 weeks).
        Stages of work and their duration
        Preparatory stage (3-5 days)
        Preparing the installation site and foundation bolts
        Delivery from the manufacturer (Syzran → Baikonur ~2000 km)
        Unloading and rigging operations using cranes with a lifting capacity of 150+ tons
        Main installation of the structure (10-14 days)
        Installation of the support column (central element 50 m high): 2-3 days
        Installation of the lower tier of the platform (19×17 m, 144 t): 3-4 days - requires ultra-precise alignment up to 0,5 mm
        Upper tiers and transition platforms: 3-4 days
        Stairs, railings, roofing: 2-3 days
        Work is carried out around the clock in 2-3 shifts.
        Installation of engineering systems (8-10 days)
        Hydraulics (4 cylinders, station, pipelines): 4-5 days - runs parallel to the installation of the structure
        Electrical equipment (300+ m of cables, control units, sensors): 3-4 days after completion of the main frame
        Automation system: 1-2 days
        Commissioning and testing (7-10 days)
        Geodetic control and verification: 1-2 days
        Hydraulic testing (pressure 1,5 working): 2 days
        Electrical testing and commissioning: 2 days
        Idle lifting/lowering cycles: 1-2 days
        Acceptance testing with Roscosmos: 1-2 days
        Factors that increase the term
        Real conditions of the cosmodrome:
        Weather: Winds up to 15 m/s, dust storms - may suspend crane operations
        Coordination: Each stage requires signatures from Roscosmos inspectors, which adds 3-5 days.
        Logistics: Delivery to Baikonur takes 3-4 days in transit.
        Permits: Work is permitted only by certified specialists with FSB clearance.
        So, the realistic timeframe is 40-50 days, assuming a ready-made cabin and no force majeure. Personally, I seriously doubt it's realistic to manufacture and install it in that timeframe... given the organizational skills of our "effective managers." The only option is a ready-made cabin, but with a used cabin—you know what I mean...
  14. +4
    9 December 2025 06: 12
    I don't understand the point of this article. The author should explore the rise of a journalist and politician to space governance and the space industry in Russia. How this river expert from the podium ended up as the head of the Roscosmos corporation is interesting.
    1. +1
      9 December 2025 08: 19
      Quote: Aleksey24
      I don't understand the point of this article. The author should explore the rise of a journalist and politician to space governance and the space industry in Russia. How this river expert from the podium ended up as the head of the Roscosmos corporation is interesting.

      The head of Roscosmos is a manager. He needs a team of managers and professionals working for him. Surely you're not surprised that a former KGB agent became first prime minister and then president.
      1. 0
        9 December 2025 11: 30
        Let's put aside the former KGB officer and look at Rogozin: what did he manage and what successes did he achieve?
        1. -1
          9 December 2025 12: 46
          Quote: Aleksey24
          Let's put aside the former KGB officer and look at Rogozin: what did he manage and what successes did he achieve?

          And what successes did the people before and after him achieve? At least under his leadership, the service cabins didn't collapse and the launch aborts stopped. Yes, that's 89 consecutive launches without incidents.
          Incidentally, few people know, but before him, some missiles had analog control systems from a neighboring state with which they are currently at war. Under his leadership, all missiles switched to digital control systems from Russian manufacturers.
          1. +1
            10 December 2025 04: 26
            Panin (midshipman)
            At least under him the service cabins didn't fall and the emergency launches stopped. Yes, that's it. He has 89 consecutive launches without any accidents.
            almost all the super-squealers don't give a damn
            the main thing is to shout louder - everything is lost)!
          2. -1
            10 December 2025 11: 54
            Under him, rocket launches declined, and stories about the Vostochny Cosmodrome began. We're talking about an administrator, right? So let's discuss our administrator and how he administers things. Rogozin should have increased launch vehicle launches, developed a new launch vehicle. Igor Musk once said that if Korolev had learned that his launch vehicle was still being produced, he'd have turned over in his grave. Reducing launch costs is essential to ensure the competitiveness of our space industry. Otherwise, Musk's trampoline is working, and we're in trouble. In short, we have something to be proud of, just no money. Rogozin probably has some merit, but it doesn't save our space industry; we only make movies about the traces of a long-lost civilization.
            1. 0
              15 December 2025 15: 54
              Alexey24
              Rogozin was supposed to build up launches of launch vehicles, to develop new carrier
              Why the hell? There are so many cheap rockets in warehouses that you could eat them all in one place. + They're constantly being taken off duty. + Light, + Heavy Angara. + Soyuz-5.
              There's nowhere left to put the missiles.
              there was nothing to let in! And Rogozin owes you the task of creating a radio-electronic industry from nothing, immediately to the level of a unified global radio-electronic industry, working as Minister of Education and Minister of Industry, drawing money, and issuing a collective, severe reprimand to other countries, with a note in their personal files, for the sanctions and self-prohibitions they imposed.
              Under him, everything that was planned by the federal space program 2016-2025 took off.
              and the stories about the Vostochny Cosmodrome began
              Yes, go ahead, tell me how much was stolen before and how much after, when they appointed you. There was a plane flying back and forth every week, and they installed live cameras for people like you.
    2. -3
      9 December 2025 12: 21
      Quote: Aleksey24
      I wonder how this river specialist from the podium ended up as the head of the Roscosmos corporation.

      How did a seminary graduate, a combine operator, or a builder end up at the head of our state?
      1. 0
        10 December 2025 11: 57
        So what?! Did they immediately start ruling the country from the podium? Or maybe they were leading the frontlines to begin with, or were they private military officers there? Then, as a result of political struggle, they became heads of state. Comparing round with green?
        1. 0
          10 December 2025 12: 06
          Quote: Aleksey24
          Or maybe they were in charge of the front from the beginning or were the front's private military forces?

          And what does the leadership of industry have to do with the leadership of the front?
          Quote: Aleksey24
          Then, as a result of political struggle, they became heads of state.

          Do you deny the political struggle of combine operator Gorbachev or builder Yeltsin?

          They all had an education NOT which had nothing to do with their profile and went through political struggle. This is what they all have in common.

          And then they steered as best they could - some for the good, others for the dogs.

          Architect L.P. Beria had no educational background in either justice or the nuclear industry, but he was a competent and effective organizer, and this proved to be significantly more important than formal education or work experience.
          1. -1
            10 December 2025 17: 01
            Front leadership differs from national leadership, much like a war differs from a country, but there is still a mechanism for making decisions or creating a headquarters/military team, etc., but this is not obvious to you. I will answer the following questions in roughly the same way: there is a difference, but there are also similarities.
  15. +4
    9 December 2025 06: 12
    We need to move to Vostochny in any case; we won’t get anything but chaos at Baikonur.
    1. +5
      9 December 2025 08: 24
      Quote: mark1
      We need to move to Vostochny in any case; we won’t get anything but chaos at Baikonur.

      Then we need to master the splashdown of crews... Vostochny for cargo ships
      1. -2
        9 December 2025 11: 13
        Quote: Konnick
        Then we need to master the splashdown of crews

        It's an emergency, and the standard starting point for the descent can be any, but the mandatory splashdown is for the benefit of the poor.
        1. +3
          9 December 2025 11: 20
          Quote: mark1
          and the standard starting point of the descent can be any

          Yeah, landing on Red Square.
    2. +1
      10 December 2025 11: 59
      And also pay another state and depend on the political situation
  16. +5
    9 December 2025 06: 15
    Quote from Uncle Lee
    You can't even imagine what they are like!

    From what... smile It's clear that they'll cut off the oxygen supply and tighten the noose around the necks of many people in finance, taxes, information, and so on.
    1. -3
      9 December 2025 12: 23
      Quote: The same Lech
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      You can't even imagine what they are like!

      From what... smile It's clear that they'll cut off the oxygen supply and tighten the noose around the necks of many people in finance, taxes, information, and so on.

      Well, a lot of people here are whining - "Why are restaurants open, people sitting in cafes, talk shows on TV????!!!" (C)
      That's why they'll clamp down on "the workers' requests"
  17. +4
    9 December 2025 06: 38
    Well, what can I say? There's nothing to say!
  18. 0
    9 December 2025 06: 39
    Liberalism is like that, for free, temporarily, they'll get by... At the same time, the smart one puts it in his own pocket.
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  20. 13+
    9 December 2025 06: 56
    Yesterday, the Council for Strategic Development and National Projects held a meeting. Listening to the reports presented there, we all found ourselves in a "chocolate" mood. "Wonderful figures" and optimistic percentages were announced at the meeting, and most importantly, the faces of all the participants were polished and well-fed.
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  22. +7
    9 December 2025 07: 33
    Corruption will destroy this country!
    This is what Boyarsky's character said in one famous Soviet film.
    Regarding our homeland, it's worth adding: corruption and bureaucracy. Bureaucracy first and foremost, because it is bureaucracy that breeds corruption.
    1. -1
      9 December 2025 12: 24
      Quote: Maverick1812
      Corruption will destroy this country!
      This is what Boyarsky's character said in one famous Soviet film.
      Regarding our homeland, it's worth adding: corruption and bureaucracy. Bureaucracy first and foremost, because it is bureaucracy that breeds corruption.

      She has already killed the USSR...
  23. +9
    9 December 2025 07: 40
    "Saw, Shura, saw!" and you, with your uncomfortable questions, call this process into question.
  24. +8
    9 December 2025 08: 12
    Again, there are simply no precedents in history for dismantling a service cabin, moving it to another site, and reassembling it there.

    So this is the same one, there are no analogues? I can just imagine how they feel right now... belay engineers who have to implement the promises of their superiors.
  25. +6
    9 December 2025 08: 22
    In the late 80s, I visited the SoyuzPromMekhanizatsiya design institute and spoke with S.M. Zubarev. He was already an advanced age, and after the official part was over, he described how he designed the metal structures for the launch pad at Baikonur...the design institute no longer exists, the launch pad's chief designer has long since passed away, and the design documentation is likely long gone.
    It’s true that there is a company called MIR, it was involved in launch towers, but that’s different.

    Yes, I have different information, the platform didn't work out, they simply forgot to remove it...
    1. +3
      9 December 2025 09: 13
      Quote: Konnick
      Yes, I have different information, the platform didn't work out, they simply forgot to remove it...

      Do you think this didn't interfere with the launch? Well, it looks pretty smoked...
    2. +1
      9 December 2025 09: 28
      Yes, I have different information, the platform didn't work out, they simply forgot to remove it...

      And there is not a single position sensor for this platform?
      1. +2
        9 December 2025 09: 32
        Quote: Engineer
        Yes, I have different information, the platform didn't work out, they simply forgot to remove it...

        And there is not a single position sensor for this platform?

        Looks like someone was afraid to cancel the launch...
        1. +2
          9 December 2025 09: 44
          Well, I'm certainly no Copenhagen when it comes to space matters... but even for aircraft technology, we did it in such a way that as long as there's no response from the sensor, that's it, the block for further launch operations, no matter what anyone's afraid of... in short, it's still a dubious statement.
          1. +3
            9 December 2025 09: 47
            Quote: Engineer
            Well, I'm certainly no Copenhagen when it comes to space matters... but even for aircraft technology, we did it in such a way that as long as there's no response from the sensor, that's it, the block for further launch operations, no matter what anyone's afraid of... in short, it's still a dubious statement.

            Watch the video of the launch...you will see that the jet stream discharge from the engines along the gas outlet chute was different from usual, it was weaker.
          2. 0
            9 December 2025 11: 03
            Dear Engineer, I'm certainly not familiar with astronautics or aircraft manufacturing, but from my "beloved" plant, I know how safety can be neglected. And since my work involves electricity, jumpers in starters and limit switches are our everything. And that's just off the top of my head.
            1. +1
              9 December 2025 12: 08
              then the jumpers in the starters and limit switches are our everything

              Unfortunately, it does happen. I know how to configure settings myself... I knew what needed to be connected and in what order. But that's just configuration, and before handing it over to the military, everything was assembled for normal operation and sealed to prevent any damage. Obviously, it's not a panacea... but still, in the vast majority of cases, they brought it in for repairs with seals. So the attitude is more serious than in factories... I think it should be more serious in the space industry than in aviation with the military.
              Basically, I see two options here: either the platform's stoppers were broken and it rolled out at startup, when nothing could be done. Either they forgot to remove it and the automatics were disabled beforehand, or it wasn't there at all. The first option is more or less clear to me, but the second raises some questions... regarding the logic. But yeah... anything is possible.
        2. +1
          9 December 2025 12: 26
          Quote: Konnick
          Quote: Engineer
          Yes, I have different information, the platform didn't work out, they simply forgot to remove it...

          And there is not a single position sensor for this platform?

          Looks like someone was afraid cancel start...

          So that later with afraid In the event of the cosmonauts' death, the head was removed?
    3. +4
      9 December 2025 10: 04
      They just forgot to remove it...
      I read about this, it was said “they always cleaned it up, but for some reason this time they didn’t clean it up.”
  26. +7
    9 December 2025 08: 44
    Quote: g_ae
    That's for sure. This is going to be a massive bed rearrangement!

    Well, I can't change the nice people I've become so close to. They'll flatter me at the right time and shield me from any sad news, so I don't get upset.
  27. -15
    9 December 2025 09: 02
    There's no need to worship Musk and his Falcons. There's a lot of computer graphics there. There are also a lot of accidents. The road is mastered by the one who walks it. Unless, of course, they put completely unsuitable people in charge of key state-owned companies.
    1. 10+
      9 December 2025 09: 33
      Quote: zoknyay82
      There's a lot of computer graphics. There are a lot of accidents, too.

      Uncle, sing, are you cuckoo? fool
      1. 10+
        9 December 2025 09: 46
        Quote: Zoer
        Uncle, sing, are you cuckoo?

        There's a channel on Zen called "Cameraman Tells," where a "weirdo" cameraman, L. Konovalov, says with a straight face that all Starship and other US missile landings are computer graphics.
        In our view, the landing on the New Glen rocket's first stage platform is just ordinary computer graphics generated by artificial intelligence, or, as they say now, AI-snapshot. It's just as computer-generated as the return of the Starship first stage to the Mechazilla's claws. And while a year ago it was still hard to believe that people were being sold computer animation under the guise of the greatest achievements of space engineering, now that everyone has seen that creating realistic-looking footage has become accessible to anyone, the euphoria of US space successes is gradually fading. We're being shown ordinary AI-snapshot!

        And he already has almost 24,000 subscribers and it’s practically a sect and comrade “zoknyay82 (Sergey)” is clearly one of them.
        1. -2
          9 December 2025 11: 58
          I'm not a cult member. I don't know the aforementioned cameraman. And I'm not Uncle Petya. It's rude to be rude.
          1. +3
            9 December 2025 16: 58
            Quote: zoknyay82
            And I'm not Uncle Petya. It's not nice to be rude.

            I wasn't rude to you. You were mistaken.
            Quote: zoknyay82
            I'm not a sectarian. I don't know the aforementioned cameraman.

            Let's assume. Where do the references to "computer graphics" come from then?
            1. 0
              9 December 2025 18: 17
              Where is Uncle Petya from? Are you mistaken? 🤔
              1. +1
                9 December 2025 18: 39
                Quote: zoknyay82
                Where is Uncle Petya from? Are you mistaken? 🤔

                It wasn't me who wrote to you about Petya.
            2. 0
              9 December 2025 18: 18
              Yes, question! Is that a hole punch from "Tanks"? 🤔😂
              1. 0
                9 December 2025 18: 40
                Quote: zoknyay82
                Yes, question! Is this a hole punch from "Tanks"?

                I don't understand the essence of the question.
    2. +4
      9 December 2025 13: 19
      There are a lot of computer graphics there.

      Where? Give examples.
    3. 0
      9 December 2025 21: 05
      Yeah, today was the 576th launch of CG-9, launching another Earth observation satellite. Yesterday, at CG-9, the booster was used 32 times and more Starlinks were launched into orbit, which will carry Ukrainian drones to us. But keep comforting yourself, you see, if you stick your head deep enough in the sand, you can see Australia.
  28. +7
    9 December 2025 09: 03
    Some believe that our frankly incompetent, would-be optimizers among the "effective managers" have gone too far in their cost-cutting. And, as a result, have left the Russian space industry without space, or more precisely, without spaceports.

    And this is EVERYWHERE in our long-suffering country, except for the fuel, energy, and raw materials industries, to which our oligarchs have latched on like leeches, and the guarantor guarantees their immunity. Everything else is left over. The results are clear!
    I imagine a repeat of that very meeting with Stalin, when in 1942 it became clear that the existing guns were not capable of penetrating the Tigers' armor:

    - Well, what are we going to do, comrades?

    "What are we going to do, Comrade Stalin?" those who had scrapped Grabin's 57mm gun asked, looking obsequiously into their leader's eyes. Yes, it had its flaws, but it could still hit the Germans.

    Only it will be, of course, with Putin, the characters will be different, but I think the behavioral style will be the same.

    laughing What comparisons! It was Putin himself who started this whole mess, everywhere and in everything!
  29. -3
    9 December 2025 09: 05
    Why bow to the Americans? Maybe to the Chinese? Use their launch complex. If our rockets can fit there, of course.
    1. +6
      9 December 2025 09: 31
      Quote: rosomaha
      Why bow to the Americans? Maybe to the Chinese? Use their launch complex. If our rockets can fit there, of course.

      Do you think horseradish is sweeter than radish?
  30. +5
    9 December 2025 09: 13
    Vizbor's half-joking song about technologist Petukhov getting into a verbal duel with a black man has been repeated millions of times. Among the "arguments" in this dispute: 1. The rockets (and they were referring primarily to manned spaceflight rockets) with their currently unclear restoration timeframe are no longer an option. The Yenisei dam—after August 17, 2009, and the five-year restoration of the Sayano-Shushenskaya Hydroelectric Power Station—is no longer an option. What's left? Ballet is our everything!!!! And only now should we agree with the Afro-singing chant that life was bad without the twist. Twist and ballet—that's our everything now! Here it is, the only face of today's Russia before the world! Or is everything wrong?????
  31. +1
    9 December 2025 09: 30
    Forgive us, Yura, we blew it all! recourse
  32. +1
    9 December 2025 09: 33
    There are no words. Only letters…
    Most likely, we will now fly from a cosmodrome in China.
    What repairs? In what time frame?!
    What year was the Angara's first flight? By 91, there were already educational posters about it hanging in the department.
    All fuel-oxidizer pairs had long been calculated, and then a brilliant solution appeared about methane...
    We are on the right track, comrades.
    I don’t rule out the human factor, but it’s more likely that it failed due to lack of maintenance.
    1. 0
      9 December 2025 13: 42
      Here it is, the Angara. Beautiful. But... lying around on the museum's exhibition grounds. Already.
  33. -5
    9 December 2025 09: 37
    This is all very unpleasant, but there's no need to throw a fit. We have specialists (they were building the Vostochny), and there's plenty of hardware. The launch complex will be restored to working order, and I think fairly quickly. The Crimean Bridge was restored last time, apparently ahead of schedule. How does the bridge span structure differ from the service cabin?
    1. +7
      9 December 2025 09: 52
      Quote: South Ukrainian
      How does the bridge span design differ from the service cabin?

      laughing laughing laughing
      The shape, the complexity of the parts and assembly, the complexity of the mechanisms. Basically, EVERYTHING, roughly like an airliner airframe from a garden cart. Is that clearer?
      Although, of course, 150 tons of metal structures, given the design documentation and the expertise of the manufacturer and installers, I think it could be accomplished within a year. The question is, do we have all this right now?
      1. +6
        9 December 2025 09: 57
        Quote: Zoer
        Quote: South Ukrainian
        How does the bridge span design differ from the service cabin?

        laughing laughing laughing
        The shape, the complexity of the parts and assembly, the complexity of the mechanisms. Basically, EVERYTHING, roughly like an airliner airframe from a garden cart. Is that clearer?
        Although, of course, 150 tons of metal structures, given the design documentation and the expertise of the manufacturer and installers, I think it could be accomplished within a year. The question is, do we have all this right now?

        The problem isn't just with the platform, which is a multi-tiered metal structure housing the drives for two overhead cranes. The problem is that the trusses of the upper shaft were also damaged due to the jet stream from the engines passing through them, possibly annealing the steel, and possibly even damaging the reinforced concrete of the table itself.
      2. -3
        9 December 2025 10: 46
        Quote: Zoer
        like an airliner glider from a garden cart

        You're overreacting, even though I also wrote about the difference between the launch pad cabin and the bridge span, with a certain amount of hyperbole. I understand you're an engineer, but aren't these two structures that different? Or is a bridge span, crossed by hundreds, even thousands, of people every day, a less critical structure?
        1. +1
          9 December 2025 10: 54
          Quote: South Ukrainian
          You've gone too far.

          Not at all!!!
          1. +3
            9 December 2025 12: 55
            Quote: Zoer
            Not at all!!!

            We'll see when the renovations are finished, and then we can continue the discussion. If they meet the stated deadline, then well done, and I think they will. The "All is lost" theme is right up our alley. The government is always bad, they do everything wrong, and in general, we're suffering, not living. Come on, attack, minus brothers))
            1. +3
              9 December 2025 15: 51
              Quote: South Ukrainian
              We'll see when the renovations are finished, and then we can continue the discussion. If they meet the stated deadline, then great job, and I think they will.

              Which ones exactly, and by whom? The authorities are keeping mum, as is generally the case in such cases.
              Quote: South Ukrainian
              The "All is lost" theme is in our best traditions. The government is always bad, everything is done wrong, and in general, we're not living, we're just suffering. Come on, attack, minus brothers))

              Well, let's rejoice in our pink-and-white-ponchos and drool over the fact that there's no longer a backup for manned launches in Russia. It seems only more advanced civilizations can handle that.
      3. +2
        9 December 2025 12: 52
        Although, of course, 150 tons of metal structures, given the design documentation and the competence of the manufacturer and installers, I think it can be accomplished in a year.

        Kazakhstan is just a stone's throw from Uzbekistan and Tajikistan! Why bother with these long-term projects? Send a competent foreman, assemble a couple of crews... and build proper scaffolding around the launch vehicle!!! good And before the start, don't forget to disassemble!!! laughing
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    1. +7
      9 December 2025 10: 43
      "Energy" of our days:
      1. -7
        9 December 2025 12: 02
        Sorry to address you. This isn't directed at you, just to maintain consistency and make it clearer. What was so seditious about that? Are the words "pip," "cosmonautics," and "heresy" banned now, or what?! Yes laughing
        1. -2
          9 December 2025 14: 02
          Downvoters, do you even know what this is about, or have you not read it but am judging it? Yes laughing
  35. 12+
    9 December 2025 10: 32
    Here we are, the year 2025 is ending. Where is the Russian station? Where are all these "Orel," "Federation," "Argo," and "Parus"?
    Don't know? It's now about mansions on the shores of warm seas, yachts, private jets, and education at prestigious foreign universities. And a lot of things.
    1. +3
      9 December 2025 13: 39
      And then there are six effective managers per employee and endless national projects with uncertain prospects, but real spenders of budget funds.
  36. +4
    9 December 2025 10: 38
    Why bother with repairs? The launch pad is in Kazakhstan, and Kazakhstan handles maintenance and repairs. This was a condition of the SC lease. And if there was time between grazing and relaxing with nasvay, the Kazakhs would perform scheduled maintenance, paid for by the Russian Federation.
  37. +3
    9 December 2025 11: 42
    30 years of "effective management", yes...
  38. +7
    9 December 2025 11: 46
    It's like the Papuans using artifacts from an older civilization without understanding how they worked. Then the equipment broke down, either from old age or from other Papuans tinkering with it at night to damage it—it doesn't matter. So now the Papuans don't have an artifact from an older, more advanced civilization. A disaster.
  39. +4
    9 December 2025 11: 59
    I wonder how it happened that our country is ruled by "pathetic and effective" people? Isn't it because we elect and tolerate them ourselves?
  40. +3
    9 December 2025 11: 59
    I served nearby, at the Central Administration for the Protection of the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Area, Semsk 22. It was also in total disrepair there. Why the hell do we need to pay rent? We have enough of our own. '84-86.
    1. +1
      9 December 2025 12: 36
      I completely agree! We need to flee from enemy Kazakhstani territory. But to the two problems (fools and roads), two more have been added in the "minds of the government"—we're not like that, and we're a brotherhood of nations. Unfortunately.
  41. +1
    9 December 2025 12: 23
    Yura...in short, Vovan with Ragozka and the ruling party of "crooks and thieves - United Russia" p/r/o/s/r/a/l/i EVERYTHING.
  42. +2
    9 December 2025 12: 25
    Yura, we've lost everything... Kourou, that's French Guiana, a NATO colony where they buried a ton of money...
  43. +7
    9 December 2025 12: 26
    I don't know what Vladimir Vladimirovich will tell them.
    He won't say anything. Unfortunately, citizen Putin is not Stalin at all.
  44. +1
    9 December 2025 12: 56
    Don't be so upset. "Overall, we're doing well. We know what will happen tomorrow and the day after." - Vladimir Vladimirovich.
  45. +2
    9 December 2025 13: 05
    Where are ROS, Orel, and the Federation? The same place where the 82 passenger aircraft planned for 2025 will be: Tu-214, IL-114, MS-21, IL-96, Superjet, Ladoga, and Baikal. Perhaps only one Tu-214.
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  47. +3
    9 December 2025 14: 00
    While they're repairing Baikonur and finishing up Vostochny, we'll be launching to the ISS from Chinese launch sites. Possibly on Chinese launch vehicles. The Chinese will help us. They won't abandon us. And we'll...we'll...lease it to them...just give it...ummm...what do we give it to them?
    1. 0
      9 December 2025 14: 07
      "- And what is this about you, so black-eared, huh? What kind of abstract art is this?
      "Artist, can you even get a piece of skin from our thugs? I had to take an organ from a black guy for a transplant."
      "Now, Comrade Katz, this is a shining example of friendship between peoples. I propose: give the all-Union Crimean health resort to our black comrades!"
      Just replace them with Chinese ones. Yes laughing
  48. +2
    9 December 2025 14: 28
    Dear author! In my humble opinion, your assessment of the situation is not entirely correct. First, regarding the damage assessment timeframe. You say up to six months. But what damage needs to be assessed? And most importantly, why? Just manufacture and install a new one, and then goodbye. Next, assess the condition of the existing cabin in Kazakhstan. And why? Then it needs to be thoroughly and carefully disassembled, and then reassembled at another site... That's why this—the cost of the work both ways! You yourself write that you have the production capacity and capabilities for manufacturing, and the design documentation is available. So, no federal law will prevent you from purchasing from a single supplier without a tender process and all the other nonsense that goes with it, because the plant is the tracing holder of the original drawings...
  49. 0
    9 December 2025 15: 29
    It was in vain that they dismantled that dovecote in Ëburg; they did it in a hurry out of embarrassment at the actual degradation.
    The poster was prophetic, characterizing how "forgive us, Yura..."
  50. 0
    9 December 2025 15: 31
    Why do we need the ISS? We're just launching our own, taken off combat duty. Space is only good for gold medals.
  51. +3
    9 December 2025 15: 42
    I imagine a repeat of that very meeting with Stalin, when in 1942 it became clear that the existing guns were not capable of penetrating the Tigers' armor:
    - Well, what are we going to do, comrades?
    "What are we going to do, Comrade Stalin?" those who had scrapped Grabin's 57mm gun asked, looking obsequiously into their leader's eyes. Yes, it had its flaws, but it could still hit the Germans.

    The idea is good, but it's completely off-target. Because those who discontinued the Grabin gun did so to send rifle divisions formed in 1941 to the front, divisions that weren't included in any pre-war plans. One ZIS-2 was exchanged for three or four USVs for artillery regiments—without which, a rifle division would be nothing but a bunch of men with rifles.
    And yes, regarding the ZIS-2's ability to fight Tigers:
    It's worth noting that during the first year of ZIS-2 production, output of these guns was comparatively small. 500 guns per month were out of the question: 1855 guns of this type were delivered in all of 1943. Another sensitive issue was the gun's anti-tank capabilities. Tests conducted in April 1943 showed that it reliably penetrated the Tiger's side armor (at ranges of up to a kilometer). The ZIS-2, however, could penetrate the German tank's frontal armor with armor-piercing shells at a range of no more than 200-300 meters. Meanwhile, the Panther appeared at the Battle of Kursk, which could only be penetrated in certain areas of the front.
    © Yu. Pashlolk. The Return of the Grabin Hole Punch.
    As a result, in 1943-1944 the main weapon produced for the IPT remained the ZIS-3.
    An additional problem was that the ZIS-2 was cannibalizing production volumes from the ZIS-3. This explains the small production volume, which was still unimpressive in 1944—2525 units. Most interestingly, even in 1943, the ZIS-3 was primarily used not by divisional artillery, but by anti-tank units. Only in 1944 did the situation change, but not dramatically. By and large, the flow of ZIS-3s to anti-tank units didn't decrease significantly; overall production simply increased. Only by 1945 did the ZIS-3 begin to be used exclusively by divisional artillery, while ZIS-2 production also doubled.
    © he
  52. +3
    9 December 2025 16: 04
    Quote: Panin (Michman)
    Quote: Aleksey24
    Let's put aside the former KGB officer and look at Rogozin: what did he manage and what successes did he achieve?

    And what successes did the people before and after him achieve? At least under his leadership, the service cabins didn't collapse and the launch aborts stopped. Yes, that's 89 consecutive launches without incidents.


    The production cycle for rocket technology is 3 years.
    Under Rogozin, equipment manufactured by his predecessor flew without incident.
  53. +2
    9 December 2025 16: 08
    Quote: Umptek
    While they're repairing Baikonur and finishing up Vostochny, we'll be launching to the ISS from Chinese launch sites. Possibly on Chinese launch vehicles. The Chinese will help us. They won't abandon us. And we'll...we'll...lease it to them...just give it...ummm...what do we give it to them?


    We will not.
    The Chinese are flying at an inclination of 41,5. To transition to an inclination of 51,6, they will have to lighten Shenzhou and carry out a huge amount of work to identify new impact fields.
  54. +5
    9 December 2025 16: 27
    State Duma deputies and other managers: Gaidars, Chubais, Rogozins, Grefs, etc., under the sensitive leadership of first Yeltsin and then Putin, destroyed the entire industry and the country's scientific and technical potential.
    That's why we'll never have anything worthwhile in space exploration, machine tool manufacturing, civil aircraft manufacturing, or any other science-intensive industries. Money is circulating everywhere, while the real sectors of the economy are being deliberately suppressed.
  55. 0
    9 December 2025 19: 32
    In 1975, I did my military service at this very same 31st site, which was called the reserve launch site.
    And I still remember the Apollo Soyuz epic, when the main crew was launched from the two-man crew. For some reason, the article calls it a one-man crew, but we had the exact same crew on the 31st, in the exact same rocket... And in the event of any problems with the two-man crew, the crew would take off from our pad.
    So I was deeply surprised to learn that the two had been dismantled. And none of the current Roscosmos leaders even considered creating a backup site.
    By the way, just in case, the distance between these sites, No. 2 and No. 31, is at least 30 km. No. 2 was located right next to the city of Leninsk. And we, at No. 31, were in the middle of nowhere, far from anything. And the officers took the commuter train home. It was called a "motorovoz" back then.
    Well, this is so lyrical...
    In essence, it is completely unclear why we need to build anything at Baikonur in a foreign country.
    When Stanislav Lem mentioned Kapustin Yar in his book in the fifties... As a bright site from which the Russians launched their satellites.
    Baikonur was built not so much for launching cosmonauts as for the purpose of creating a testing ground for ICBMs...
    Now, apparently, these very same ICBMs are located in completely different places... Which we are not supposed to know about.
    But the launch of cosmonauts must take place on the territory of the Russian Federation, and as far south as possible, and as close to the equator as possible.
    So, this very Kapustin Yar, in the Astrakhan region, seems like a good fit. The conclusion is to build a new launch site specifically for cosmonauts.
    There is nothing else that can be thought of.
    1. 0
      10 December 2025 16: 04
      Is this such a sacrilege that launches are only possible within the Russian Federation?
      And cooperation, establishing connections, involving the CSTO - who knows what?
      This is a mess! There's no optimization whatsoever. Neither Like nor Strike can be launched into orbit without the approval of the global community...
  56. 0
    9 December 2025 20: 06
    You'd have to decide whether it's the professionals, like the submariners, or the poor service these submariners allowed. Or maybe the submariners are good and someone else is bad.
  57. +2
    9 December 2025 20: 48
    Strange questions: Where is the money and information from 2022? Or does the author live in another reality and have never heard of SVO? All programs except for front-line ones have been mercilessly cut, and this is logical, as SVO is now at the forefront of any planning.
  58. +1
    9 December 2025 20: 50
    Developing a cosmodrome on foreign soil also makes little sense; a new government will come to power in Kazakhstan, and sanctions will close Baikonur just as they closed Kura.
  59. 0
    9 December 2025 23: 15
    No need to be so upset.
    "Overall, we're doing well. We know what will happen tomorrow and the day after," Vladimir Vladimirovich said.
  60. log
    0
    10 December 2025 05: 04
    Cancel all launches outright! 100% accident-free operation will be guaranteed. Maybe they'll even award a medal or a bonus for outstanding performance.
  61. +1
    10 December 2025 05: 46
    The author overestimated the importance of the platform. Building a platform is easier than building a new spaceport.
    There are no problems with government procurement at all – the president has the right to introduce a single-supplier rule for strategic purposes.
    Well, yes, investing in a French spaceport is the height of stupidity, because France has never been a friend of Russia.
    And the Sea Launch was obviously dead from the start, because it is impossible to produce Zenits without Ukraine.
  62. +2
    10 December 2025 07: 33
    Yes, Sergei Pavlovich would be "stunned" by the current, wounded in the ass specialists!!!!!
  63. +1
    10 December 2025 08: 52
    There were other leaders after Rogozin. Why not go after them? Or is Rogozin more convenient?
    1. +1
      10 December 2025 15: 15
      For some reason, everyone criticizes Rogozin, but it was under him that launches became accident-free; before him, there were constant accidents.
      And he was right about the trampoline: one ridiculous nation couldn't launch its astronauts into space for 10 years (a disgrace), and now it's having trouble getting them out of orbit, and the starship is only exploding on launch so far.
  64. +2
    10 December 2025 14: 10
    Quote: Mairos
    Let's just kill ourselves right now, everything's bad and it's only going to get worse. What kind of stupid pessimism is this?

    Name something positive in this industry. Or in aircraft manufacturing. Or even in the auto industry, something that's not Chinese. That'll spark optimism.
    I'd cut parliamentarians' salaries, and the money would be found to restore the legal framework. Every patriotic MP would happily agree to this. Or would they? =))
    We urgently need to get the documentation up and running. Work needs to begin right now. The Crimean Bridge was rebuilt when it was absolutely necessary, and it can be done now. The key is not to fight like a turnip: the mouse for the cat, the cat for the bug, and so on. Parallelize the process.
  65. +5
    10 December 2025 15: 10
    *In French Guinea, Russia built a launch facility with French funding, so the site belongs to France. When the French find a suitable contract, they order a rocket from Roscosmos. The Russian side also assists with the launch.*
    France, not Russia, spent an ocean of money, and Russia lost additional profits from the launches.
  66. +2
    10 December 2025 15: 42
    Well, we've had enough of yet another Soviet legacy, it happens. Check Russian Forbes more often; it shows clearly that everything is fine here and where the money is accumulating from spaceport repairs and price hikes. For me, that's reassuring.
  67. 0
    10 December 2025 21: 00
    What was Vostochny built for? It was an alternative, so launch from Vostochny. The excuses are complete bullshit. Don't worry about it, just launch. It was and is easy for those who had it. Baikonur is long overdue for closure; it's obsolete and the political climate is unfavorable.
  68. 0
    11 December 2025 00: 45
    The narrow-minded Russian nouveau riche are unaware of the power of science and space; their god is money. Therefore, under the current system, Russia is doomed to failure in the fields of space, shipbuilding, automobile manufacturing, science, etc. The only thing that will develop is what can be sold and put in a pocket, and that is fossil fuels!
  69. kig
    +1
    11 December 2025 02: 03
    NASA has already begun shifting its ISS launch schedule. So far, this only applies to two Cargo Dragon cargo missions:
    - CRS-34 has been postponed from June to May.
    - CRS-35 from November until August
  70. 0
    11 December 2025 02: 45
    Quote: Mairos
    Let's just kill ourselves right now, everything's bad and it's only going to get worse. What kind of stupid pessimism is this?

    There are plenty of "all is lost" pessimists here, who say that if you can't see the entrance to a working factory from your window, it doesn't exist at all, and everything in Russia has been destroyed, and we're only "eating up" the last of the Soviet era, and "nothing new has been built"... and so on. I'd like to send all of them to at least the website - Made by us , if you don’t have enough brains to type the required input data into the search engine.
  71. 0
    11 December 2025 17: 57
    And suddenly, out of nowhere, Rogozin suddenly became "someone else." Apparently, the Bobiks were given orders from above that they could stop wagging their tails before this happened.
  72. 0
    12 December 2025 09: 51
    So, the cabin broke. Yeah, they didn't check it. So what? There's a guy who promises to launch everyone into space without any cabins or spaceports.
    Where is our dear Rogozin? We need a trampoline.
  73. 0
    12 December 2025 22: 40
    As I understand it, Baikonur was wasted!
  74. 0
    12 December 2025 22: 52
    Kazakhs can't do anything without RUSSIA!!!!!!!!!
  75. 0
    13 December 2025 09: 39
    This cockpit incident is far from the first. It's just that it hasn't happened in a while. As with any emergency, they keep a stockpile of spare parts. The existence of a spare cockpit, which is already being delivered to Baikonur, has been known for about ten days. And yet, the author is still stirring up treason.
  76. 0
    15 December 2025 05: 07
    We have fairly good relations with Iran today. The southern coast of the Caspian Sea, especially the area adjacent to Turkmenistan, is an excellent location for a spaceport. And you wouldn't even need a gas vent if you could place the platform above the water in some bay.
    What's especially valuable is that rockets of any size and any stage of completion can be delivered from Samara by water. All tanks and supplies can also be placed on barges. The land-based component can be limited to retractable launch trusses and a lattice mast for the fueling and elevator pipelines. Everything can also be assembled, welded, or riveted at a factory and shipped by sea, ready to use.
    Naturally, we wanted to make the simplest version for one specific missile, without the frills and versatility of the Far Eastern monster.
    If we then, taking advantage of the advantages of water transport, make a rocket with a diameter of 10 meters or more, it will be easier to make a new launcher.
    .
    To prevent the Persians from becoming insolent in the future, offer to finance the construction and buy out the ground portion in exchange for the right to purchase our rockets for launching their satellites...
  77. 0
    16 December 2025 12: 03
    16 December 2026 g

    "A complete set of replacement service cabins for the 31st launch pad has been delivered to Baikonur; launch readiness is expected in February 2026, - Roscosmos pointed out.
    Eighteen heavy-duty trucks carrying components and equipment for restoring the service cabin were delivered to the cosmodrome.

    - says the state corporation's Telegram channel.
    More than 100 people are involved in the work 130 people, they work in two shifts. A work schedule has been drawn up. The components have been placed over an area of ​​over 13 square meters. Work is already underway on priming and painting the cabin components. Once ready, they will be transported to the launch pad. Some equipment is already there. After priming and painting, cabin assembly and autonomous testing will begin.
    Everything's fine. In two weeks, we assembled all the necessary metal structures, staffed them, and delivered them to the cosmodrome.
    And then some hysterical women filled the entire RuNet with cries like: "Boss!! Everything is lost!"
    1. 0
      16 December 2025 12: 23
      Quote: Peter Yakovlev
      After priming and painting, installation of the cabin and autonomous testing will begin.

      It's strange, as painting is usually done at the manufacturing plant, at normal temperatures, in compliance with the painting technology according to the system.
  78. -1
    18 December 2025 17: 15
    Roscosmos is already restoring the infrastructure. They're working in shifts. Everything will be operational soon. Let's go.
  79. 0
    31 December 2025 16: 23
    So, what do we have in space? Everything we have is the merit of the Union, i.e., the USSR. For decades, the "effective managers" haven't produced anything new in metal, except perhaps mockups and cartoon presentations, which they happily used to receive billions in budget funds. Rogozin's joke about the trampoline was a complete miss... hmm.