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Clear air 9 May stink. To Moscow bohemian statements about the inadmissibility of Victory Day

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I'll start simply: May 9 is coming soon, the day of life. For shortly, it is a holiday when our people celebrate life.


And this means that discussions about the meaningfulness of our existence, the practical benefits of heroism and the benefits of love are intensified to him. Again and again, year after year, we are faced with the question of the meaning of this holiday, of the appropriateness of the forms of its celebration, of its combination with the comforts of citizens.

Quite often, our holiday is judged rather harshly.

Actor Vladimir Bagramov: “Patriots,” you burn with your parades. If you want to help the "great country" - go under Tanks. It will be an act. Exactly in the framework of this chaos, which once again is nothing but a savory spit in the face of thousands of tired people trying to get home from work. Burn in hell".

Deputy Aidar Mujabaev, editor-in-chief of Moskovsky Komsomol: “In our media, what is happening is called the rehearsal for the Victory Parade. And I would call it the deliberate murder of innocent people. Which is no better than the Holocaust, albeit on a smaller scale. This murder is the same intentional and cold-blooded. Business will not be limited to today's transport collapse. The following penalty dates are April 29, May 3 and 7. Get ready. And also actually 9 May. Dying on this day, probably, should be honorable. It is worse than fascism. ”

Quote: "Who is celebrating something? A state about ... the last couple of last wars? "

Quote: "How much can you masturbate for victory?"

Quote: "And what about the ghouls, if they have nothing to be proud of except for the victory in the war, for which they laid more than twenty million?"

Quote: “Why the hell do we need these military parades ?! How much money is wasted on them. It seems that the current regime has really nothing more to boast, except weaponsand that is mostly obsolete. Bastards. "

“Parades are like cars with flashing lights. A small number of people rejoice, and the rest otdovuyutsya for this joy. Yesterday in Moscow there were traffic jams 10 points (i.e., a full stop of movement). Several millions of victims - for the pleasant emotions 5000, who will stand in parade. "

Quote: "Bastards. All of Moscow rose because of them. Parades have long become a farce. This money would have been better distributed to veterans, there are so few of them left, and they live in monstrous conditions. ”

Quote: "This soviet kitsch with parades is already ridiculous, in fact, at least the remaining veterans have improved their lives, so few of them remain, many live in poverty."

Quote: "From work to the subway, the bus usually goes 10-15 minutes, tonight I drove 50 minutes."

Quote: "Only those who do not know well history, can call this day a holiday. "

This means that it is time again for us to give an answer both to ourselves, and to our children, and to those who ask us about the meaningfulness of our existence in such a free form.

For our ancestors, this holiday really smelled of gunpowder. This holiday was really quite gray hair. And still pains from old wounds, grazes from artificial limbs, terrible dreams. And a huge amount of emotional insatiable pain for those who took the mean, bloody, inhuman, holy, great war. The war shot at them, blew up, crippled, tortured, mutilated, froze, starved, deprived friends, relatives, themselves, gnawed out humanity, stole hope, undermined faith, aimed at love. But love, as it is peculiar to her, believed everything, hoped for everything, transferred everything, covered everything and did not cease. She did not stop even then, when people returning from the West brought her to the black ones sticking out of the ground like tombstones of their own houses.

This love still lives among us, looks at us with watery, almost transparent eyes from old age. Evaluates how we ascended, we are the seedlings they sowed into the ground with blood. What fruits we gave on the ground, fertilized with the ashes of their comrades, relatives and loved ones.

They see everything, they understand everything, they convey all these old eyes to the heart. They are not fooled. They look and see the truth, because there is no time for a lie, it does not fit into their schedule of precious days. Their wrinkled hands pat our children's hair in the same way that the farmer runs his hand over the wheat ears, assessing the harvest. This is their harvest. He came not only from our seed, but from their blood.

Our ancestors paid for us with their blood, pain and courage. They threw themselves into the earth like seeds, fertilized the earth with their blood in order for new generations of our people to ascend.

9 Maya is not just a holiday, when we give them a carnation, it’s not just an opportunity for them to come out, ringing with medals. This is not just an excuse to wave bitter, like tears, like life and death, front 100.

This is the day they look at us. Are we worthy? What have we done? Who gave birth? Are we ready to become like them and do what they did?

On this day, we parade in front of them. We ourselves, our wives, our children. We show ourselves - well succeeded.

And the military parade on Red Square is part of this general parade, which the country arranges for its soldiers to show that it deserves their victims.

... But even after the last of them has gone to eternity - they will not stop looking at us from there. Therefore, those who talk about the "holiday for veterans", which can be quietly rolled and forgotten in ten years, are hoping in vain.

The national holiday consists precisely in the fact that eternity looks at the people, and the people know about it.

Therefore, as long as our people live, on this day he will honor life and those who gave it to him.

And this holiday will have its own special smell, which future Russian citizens will remember from childhood.

... In today's veterans - this holiday smells of gunpowder, burning, human flesh, tears, bread, stew, and vodka.

... My children's party smelled like ice cream, Moscow asphalt, along which my father and I went to Red Square. He smelled like mothballs, because on that day I was allowed to play with my grandfather's orders, and they were kept with the uniform. My Victory Day smelled of carnations that were given to my grandmother and great-grandmother, a salad and a festive table. He smelled the TV “TEMP”, which showed “Officers”, “In the zone of special attention” and “Single swimming”.

Somewhat later, the stench that emanated from a beautiful color Japanese television began to mix with these smells. I tolerated this stench twenty-five years. And sometimes endure so far.

The difference is that when this stench has just begun, I still could not do anything. And now there is a hope to change everything and make my children, so that your children will no longer feel in the Victory Day stink.

I mean the whole culture of the stench, which is a place in the kitchens of losers, and not on TV or on the pages owned by state-owned media. And not on TV. I mean the stench from which “Serve the Soviet Union”, “Penalty Board”, “May Day 4 in May”, “Edge” and the like grew. This is what the deputy editor of “MK” sprouting from Mudjabaevs and Bagram actors and the rest of the shelupon.

It is necessary to clean the air 9 Maya. It is in our power - and for this, by the way, will not have to die.
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  1. Vasily-71
    Vasily-71 2 May 2013 15: 42
    228 th
    For example, the parade on May 9 is extremely expensive pleasure. It would be better if the veterans gave their grandmothers.
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 2 May 2013 16: 00
      130
      Quote: Basil-71
      For example, the parade on May 9 is extremely expensive pleasure. It would be better if the veterans gave their grandmothers.

      Tell this to the veterans ... But in general, perhaps you have a veteran in your family? And the pension on which he "helps" you live is not enough for you? Have you already settled in the veteran's apartment?
      1. Vasily-71
        Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 05
        169 th
        The only veteran with whom I spoke with me agreed that this show-off is very expensive to manage financially.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 2 May 2013 16: 08
          55
          Quote: Basil-71
          The only veteran with whom I spoke agreed with me,

          You are just a petty liar!
          1. Nymp
            Nymp 2 May 2013 16: 22
            86
            Quote: Atlon
            You are just a petty liar!

            Pavel, he is not just a liar, but a provocateur! The consumer hails from the 80s, when the country after the collapse did not care about growing egoists who can only consume. Their education was left to chance by parents. You Pasha can no longer re-educate this abomination with gum in your mouth - this is the Yusovskaya clientele for theirs dollars, the mother will be allowed on the organs.
            1. domokl
              domokl 2 May 2013 16: 52
              83
              Quote: Nymp
              he is not just a liar, but a provocateur!
              These were the ones who became Vlasovites, policemen, hung women and old people. I was bent, which grew on the foam of reforms
              1. taseka
                taseka 4 May 2013 03: 20
                +9
                Quote: domokl
                Scum that grew on the foam of reform

                I sincerely wish this scum and scum to get to Auschwitz or Buchenwald for a week !!!
            2. Genur
              Genur 2 May 2013 20: 04
              23
              And after all, there were two smelly provocateurs who put a "minus" on the article (as of 19-03 Minsk time). What did they see ?! Where and who raised them !? ...
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 16: 53
            48
            Quote: Atlon
            You are just a petty liar!

            Look at his ava, there is a convict. Look at his nickname Vasily 71. 71 is the White Swan zone for lifelong, conclusions can be drawn.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 2 May 2013 16: 55
              16
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              look at his ava, there is a prisoner. Look at his nickname Vasily 71. 71 is the White Swan zone for lifelong, conclusions can be drawn.
              Escaped or something belay
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 17: 00
                21
                Quote: Thunderbolt
                Escaped or something

                Most likely from fans who send them tea.
                1. Zeus
                  Zeus 2 May 2013 19: 49
                  +7
                  This can be encrypted by Bagramov)
                  1. Vadivak
                    Vadivak 2 May 2013 20: 55
                    +5
                    Quote: Zeus
                    This can be encrypted by Bagramov


                    Actor
                    1. Aleksys2
                      Aleksys2 2 May 2013 22: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: Vadivak
                      Actor

                      It's not about that. Here's who: http://www.afisha.ru/people/382022/

                      http://www.echo.msk.ru/blog/vbagramov/
                      1. Vadivak
                        Vadivak 2 May 2013 23: 57
                        10
                        Quote: Aleksys2
                        It's not about that. IN

                        And here it is, this is the one from Teatra.Dok. the very one where an endless swearing is pouring from the stage, for him nothing is more important than his ass and her comfort, you read such articles and Ilyich's famous phrase about the shit of the nation comes into his head.
                      2. Aleksys2
                        Aleksys2 3 May 2013 05: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadivak
                        And here it is, this is the one from "Theater.Doc"

                        VLADIMIR BAGRAMOV
                        He studied at GITIS, at the courses of Valery Garkalin and Mikhail Mokeev.
                        For 15 years of his conscious life, he managed to work as a scavenger, a dissector in a morgue, an ambulance attendant, an actor, a loader, a director, a producer, an administrator, a technical designer of the Art. Lebedev Studio ...
                        When he became completely entangled in himself, he fled to a monastery, where he spent 9 months. Understood, found Teatr.doc.
                      3. Kushadasov
                        Kushadasov 8 May 2013 10: 06
                        0
                        in general, that remnant ...
              2. Seraph
                Seraph 3 May 2013 02: 35
                +1
                And what kind of person is this, Bagramov?
        2. studentmati
          studentmati 2 May 2013 23: 21
          +1
          About 71 zones are subtly noticed. good
      2. avt
        avt 2 May 2013 16: 53
        19
        Quote: Basil-71
        The only veteran with whom I spoke with me agreed

        Must be a veteran of adjustment.
        Quote: Atlon
        You are just a petty liar!
        Rather, a petty dirty trick.
        Quote: Nymp
        Pavel, he is not just a liar, but a provocateur!

        The provocateur is more general and more reasoned. And here, as he said, a dirty trick who enjoys the attention paid to him.
        1. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 2 May 2013 18: 02
          16
          Hello Everyone, Happy holiday, Do not pay attention, this is just one of those who just became a dead man alive, forgive me for this comparison, They are not capable of more, Life will still punish those who spit in the well, I have already met something like this that I am calm about these attacks, This is a typical example of Ivan who does not know kinship,
      3. polida
        polida 2 May 2013 16: 54
        71 th
        I worked at the post office 2004
        Grandma came up and started swinging right
        I asked where did you fight
        She answered - baked bread
        And I know from stories what hunger is
        And I sent her to x ,,
        She was insolent - she doesn't give a damn about everyone
        1. smile
          smile 2 May 2013 17: 17
          54
          polida
          Yes, Natalya .... firstly, if the person is elderly, then he is not necessarily good - if he is a goat in his youth, then by old age he is no better .... but ... read how the bakers baked bread siege of Leningrad ... and how, too, starved to death ... not all. of course, but still .... read. how they baked bread at a regimental bakery not so far from the front line ... under bombs, shells, and sometimes receiving a gift in the form of Germans breaking through ... read how often they had to take a rifle into their inept hands when bleeding units and subunits. ..think, but our army could have fought without such bakers ... so that you shouldn’t negatively evaluate a person only by his exclusively peaceful profession .... you know, there are very few girls on the site (it’s amazing for me that they there are in general), but while they favorably differed from the Muschschina community - among them I have never met a single superficial or stupid person, a liberal bandarlog ... I hope you will support the height of the bar set by Russian women ... I dare hope, probably, you just didn’t form your idea very correctly ..
          1. Olegovi4
            Olegovi4 2 May 2013 22: 26
            +5
            You seem to be an optimist
          2. demeen1
            demeen1 3 May 2013 09: 55
            +1
            Those who were not so far from the frontline ... under the bombs are already at a meeting with the progenitors, and such will be in good health for another decade
        2. tank74
          tank74 2 May 2013 18: 38
          30
          It doesn't matter where she was, the elders should be respected in general. A boorish post office really a lot.
        3. roaming
          roaming 2 May 2013 18: 39
          22
          What would you in old age also sent.
          The victory of our people was forged in the rear, they themselves were malnourished, everyone was sent to the front
          1. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW 3 May 2013 14: 07
            +2
            Yes, the victory was made by ALL THE PEOPLE! Who could do what! And every nation has rubbish, we are not better and we have enough! Do not pay attention to such ub..kov! Such people usually do not do well in life, so they pour out bile!
            1. bezumnyiPIT
              bezumnyiPIT 7 May 2013 14: 54
              0
              All, but not all! I forgot about the nomenclature - do not congratulate them on this holiday
        4. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 2 May 2013 20: 16
          25
          Quote: polida
          О

          Even if she is not a veteran, in your opinion, even if she is a crazy old lady, it does not matter! But what right do you have anywhere to send her simply on the grounds that she, an elderly person who has lived her life, is most likely a very difficult life. All our neprukh are nothing compared to what went to the generation of fathers and grandfathers. We live by their account today. And we live badly if we allow ourselves such things. You can always find words or keep silent, in extreme cases, if a person, as it seems to us (I emphasize, as it seems to us) behaves inadequately. But what you allowed yourself You are an abomination !!!! But apparently you do not understand this if you are talking about this episode as your feat !!!
          1. smile
            smile 2 May 2013 21: 49
            +7
            Tverichanka
            You are smart! A guy would be smeared .... But swearing at a girl .. you can't .. it's a shame ... But you can! :))) We supported the honor of the girls of the site. :))) A worthy rebuke. Thank! :))))
            1. Tverichanka
              Tverichanka 3 May 2013 17: 51
              +3
              Why would they smear the peasants? Just because "Madame" writes such nasty stuff? SMILE, do not hesitate. Any habala must be put in place, and it doesn’t matter in a skirt or with a beard. I hate such people. Pontov is above the rooftop. , but shake-inside you will not find anything worthy.
              1. smile
                smile 3 May 2013 18: 35
                +1
                Tverichanka
                Yes, I'm not used to barking with women ... especially in writing .. :)))) A knight from me, like from carbolic acid - mayonnaise ... but, nevertheless, somehow uncomfortable ...
        5. Ivan Kalinovich
          Ivan Kalinovich 2 May 2013 22: 21
          +3
          Watch polida at your leisure on TV after the 6th film "People's Commissariat of Convoy" ... maybe you will understand something!
          1. Pushkar
            Pushkar 2 May 2013 22: 53
            +2
            You don't seem to have worked in trade or services. There are enough boors and squabblers on both sides. I have even met outright swindlers (She is about 50, but on her chest "For the victory over Germany"). Don't judge polida right off the bat. Plus, a boor is never really a veteran. Checked.
            1. dddym
              dddym 3 May 2013 10: 02
              0
              A question of service culture - crawls do not stoop to obscenities and insults. You are the image of the very company in which you work - if you are brazenly climbing, simply ignore and ignore it.
            2. SASCHAmIXEEW
              SASCHAmIXEEW 3 May 2013 14: 15
              0
              Well, if at 50, "For Victory over Germany" is a clinic ....
        6. piotr534
          piotr534 2 May 2013 23: 18
          +3
          And I sent her to x ,,
          She was insolent - she doesn't give a damn about everyone
          We all make mistakes for which then it is bitter and embarrassing, but to boast of it like this in front of everyone on the forum is already beyond. You madam have no heart or you are not passable stupid.
        7. kostiknet
          kostiknet 8 May 2013 12: 19
          0
          Quote: polida
          She answered - baked bread

          Have you tried to starve for a week or two (at least) to bake bread and not eat it? Sitting at a table set at home, Nichrome, not knowing what HUNGER is (not to be confused with shitty diets), it is easy to indiscriminately accuse cooks and bakers of the Great War of rat-rats. Don't judge everyone by yourself. The rear veterans did no less for Victory than the Front veterans. And who fed the fighters on the front line? Postmen?
      4. Corsair
        Corsair 2 May 2013 17: 53
        37
        Quote: Atlon
        You are just a petty liar!

        Moreover, a fool carrying an utter nonsense! Look around, open your eyes! Never before in the history of the USSR and modern Russia has the state shown such concern for veterans. The economy would have been better, I’d surely have done more. Post-war generations are indebted to the HERO FREEDOMS.
        To the fallen, the departed and now healthy, the eternal glory!
        P / S: A Victory Parade is a tribute to those heroic years, and a reminder of current enemies ...
        1. Die-hard
          Die-hard 2 May 2013 20: 18
          38 th
          Quote: Corsair
          indebted to the HEROES THE LIBERATORS.

          And then. Glory to the heroes-Kantemirovites for 91 and 93 years.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2013 20: 52
            +3
            so what's your bowel movement for?
          2. skullcap
            skullcap 2 May 2013 21: 22
            +7
            Quote: Inflexible

            Die-hard

            The time will come - bend!
            1. Ivan Kalinovich
              Ivan Kalinovich 2 May 2013 22: 29
              +2
              That no, we will send the unbending to the tan ... there it is bent
            2. ziqzaq
              ziqzaq 2 May 2013 23: 05
              0
              Quote: kosopuz
              The time will come - bend!

              The time will come - let us go .......
            3. partisanche
              partisanche 2 May 2013 23: 52
              +1
              probably will be more correct Zagnem
          3. Pushkar
            Pushkar 2 May 2013 22: 57
            +2
            Glory. They destroyed a new Civil War in the bud. If it weren't for them, it wouldn't seem enough to anyone.
        2. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 2 May 2013 20: 27
          25
          We need the Victory Parade much more than the veterans. We, our children and grandchildren. And his goal is simple and understandable - TO REMEMBER !!!!!! We are about the feat of our people, and the enemies are about the impossibility of crushing us in battle!
          1. evgenm55
            evgenm55 3 May 2013 07: 20
            +2
            I agree with you, thank you for briefly and clearly expressing what many have in their souls and hearts. FOR VICTORY !!!
        3. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 3 May 2013 14: 18
          0
          Worthy answer to all "Ivans - not remembering kinship" !!!
        4. Radoslav
          Radoslav 3 May 2013 14: 23
          +5
          Do not be angry with fools, their history will punish you. I WANT TO INTRODUCE A TRADITION. EVERYONE WHO REMEMBERS HIS FATHER, GRANDFATES, GREATFUL, WINNERS, NAME THEM ON THE GREAT VICTORY DAY, EXAMPLES. MY GRANDFATHER MOREV ANATOLY NIKOLAEVICH 1903-1968 He fought in TWO WARS IN THE FINNISH WAR AND THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR FOR VICTORY, GRANDFATHER TOLA.
          1. Eugene
            Eugene 3 May 2013 14: 50
            +3
            Malostev Kuzma. Volunteer left Odessa region in 44, although they didn’t call from there. A month later he died near Koenigsberg. Grandma lived alone all her life. She raised two children. Eternal memory to the heroes!
          2. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 3 May 2013 18: 03
            +3
            My beloved dad, Vladimir Alekseevich Arapov. Pilot. He flew on bombers, then on "Pawn". Was shot down 11 times, two shell-shocks, a bunch of wounds. Mountain awards. From his release only 4 people survived, and they all died, before he was 50 ... And my dad has been dead for a long time (he died at 47). And before I had time to ask him about a lot, and now I will never ask him ... But I still love immensely, I remember, I appreciate. For me he is the best in the whole world ...
          3. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 3 May 2013 18: 06
            +1
            My uncle, Fyodor Alekhin, an artilleryman. He disappeared without a trace near Kiev in September 41. He was only 22 ... My dad, Vladimir Alekseevich Arapov. Pilot. He flew on bombers. Then he was shot down 11 times on the Pawn. , two concussions, a bunch of wounds, a mountain of awards. From his release, only 4 people survived by the end of the war, and even those died before they reached 50. So my dad died at 47 ... I regret that oh I didn't ask him a lot, and now you can't even ask him, and he didn't like to talk about the war ... But I remember, I love him immensely. He is the best in the world for me ...
            1. Ribwort
              Ribwort 3 May 2013 21: 53
              +2
              Grandfather - Morozov Anatoly Samuilovich born in 1926. From the first days he volunteered for the front, attributing several years to his age. He fought in the reconnaissance detachment of the headquarters of the Baltic Fleet as a radio operator. He was awarded 24 medals for courage and orders ... In 1944 near Königsberg he lost his leg as a result of a serious injury, but after the war he continued to serve in the navy as an instructor ...

              Unfortunately, for reasons beyond my control, my fate turned out to be such that I hardly remember him and practically had no opportunity to communicate with him. So many things I would like to say ... Now this opportunity is no longer completely. But the feeling of gratitude and admiration for his courage only grows stronger over the years. Thank you and bow to you, grandfather!
          4. Zubr
            Zubr 7 May 2013 01: 01
            +1
            ZHILYAEV FEDOR VASILIEVICH 1920-1992, LIEUTENANT OF STOCK, COMMANDER OF SEPARATE DIVISION. COMPANIES, DISABLED GROUP II,
            CAVALER OF THE ORDERS: RED STAR, DOMESTIC WAR II DEGREE, MEDAL FOR COURAGE.
            HE LOVED THIS HOLIDAY, IT WAS A WHOLE RITUAL. AFTER WAR I RAISED ON FEET, ONE PLANT AND THREE COLLECTIONS. ETERNAL FOR YOU MEMORY OF GRANDFATHER ....
        5. Beck
          Beck 3 May 2013 14: 50
          +2
          There is no other date in the history of Mankind, in all Seasons of Time, like May 9, 1945. Such a VICTORY DAY.

          There is no Victory for which so many victims were paid. There is no such Victory that has so influenced the post-war World. There is no Victory over evil that the whole World celebrates. There is no such Victory, and will no longer be, which is worthy of eternal exaltation, eternal veneration and eternal memory of posterity.
        6. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 6 May 2013 06: 48
          0
          Gentlemen, I respect those who simply and unobtrusively reminded what kind of holiday it was with a capital letter, Ivans who do not remember kinship do not understand that we stopped the destruction of the people, No one will ever know how many civilians were destroyed, We will never know how many small children did not live to see Victory , 1 2 million of our soldiers gave their most precious life to destroy all this horror, We bow our heads and remember them, We bow our heads before our inhabitants who have never met the dawn, And if we discard the first months of the war, our Army did not bomb the cities, It's just that our generals knew the townspeople had nowhere to go, For the mindless, remember the carpet bombing of our allies bombed cities and civilians, And most importantly, we will never be forgiven the Victory Parade, The elite of our Army passed through Red Square, where every hero is real and not a note, they will not forgive the ritual with banners Even the allies did not dare to hold such a parade, They knew that such a parade would simply humiliate them against the backdrop of the victory of the Red Army, And all the years they tried to belittle the significance of our victory, And helpers were found in our midst from here and the Penal Battalion and many other things, Happy Holidays, dear gentlemen And eternal memory to those who did not live to see VICTORY !! Holocaust is just a pale copy of what the Nazis did with our civilian population
      5. подводник
        подводник 2 May 2013 18: 15
        +6
        And he did not have enough time for two veterans ......
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        2. skeptic
          skeptic 2 May 2013 18: 51
          +9
          Quote: submariner
          And he did not have enough time for two veterans ......


          Just his "veteran" from the ROA. They have it all about money, but about profit.
          1. Konstantm
            Konstantm 2 May 2013 23: 10
            +3
            Take a look around! The lives of people are absolutely poisoned, poisoned by the head. They cannot feel, they are no longer sensitive, nothing thrills them. The sun rises, but nothing rises in them; they gaze at the sunrise with empty eyes. The sky is filled with stars - a miracle, a mystery! - but nothing stirs in their hearts, no song arises.
            Osho
    2. vot-te-raz
      vot-te-raz 2 May 2013 16: 15
      0
      you are Vasily.
    3. smile
      smile 2 May 2013 16: 19
      20
      Vasily-71
      Vassenka, and this veteran on whose side he fought, eh? ... And it sounds very symptomatic - "the only veteran with whom I spoke" ... it is probably too late for you to explain that not everything is measured in money, and also that often sparing money for such holidays leads to monstrous losses so important for you money, which occurs when the homeland is sold wholesale and retail by Basilians like you who do not remember kinship ... my condolences to your family ...
      1. Vasily-71
        Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 25
        97 th
        Firstly, there are almost no real veterans left alive and they are indifferent to the parade, believe me, secondly, it would be more useful to use these babos on the same development of some program for veterans, or simply to start developing medicine or education. Anything is better than fun in the square.
        1. skeptic
          skeptic 2 May 2013 16: 42
          25
          Quote: Basil-71
          Firstly, there are almost no real veterans left and the parade is indifferent to them, believe me,


          That said, the "only veteran" with whom you spoke? One can only believe in this if this veteran is "SS" or some sort of Sonderkommando of policemen. They certainly don't enjoy VICTORY DAY.
          1. Vasily-71
            Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 46
            54 th
            Those who communicated with them say so. In the 90s I even worked part-time in the "Center for Veterans' Assistance" in Minsk.
            1. zol1
              zol1 2 May 2013 18: 23
              13
              Shut up, Basil or whatever, or rather, a stump of fascist and not for you to judge the Blessed Memory of the Fallen !!!
            2. Evgeniy-111
              Evgeniy-111 2 May 2013 20: 59
              +3
              Where do you live, there are no more veterans left? Was it your efforts?
            3. Gipmol
              Gipmol 2 May 2013 22: 42
              +3
              And in that "help center" there was only one veteran with whom you talked? !!!
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2013 17: 13
          +7
          Quote: Basil-71
          they don't care about the parade, believe me

          Can you explain why we should believe you?
        3. smile
          smile 2 May 2013 17: 27
          11
          Vasily-71
          Do you believe? What to believe? To your glazams, to your ears? Tears of resentment of those who remained, offended by the mindless statements of narrow-minded people. not seeing anything further than the tip of their .... tailbone? They are, mlyn. they don't even see their wallet - they don't see the connection of the prosperity of their country, which is impossible without its restoration by patriots and their own well-being .... your statements are profound broadcasts of maggot on a cat's corpse - they say. there she, a totalitarian cat, and the road ... sorry for the harshness - you, despite the monstrous words, most likely really do not understand what you are talking about, because it’s not too late to talk to you ... but it’s time to grow up .. ..urgently!
        4. Atlon
          Atlon 2 May 2013 17: 27
          50
          Quote: Basil-71
          Firstly, there are almost no real veterans left and the parade is indifferent to them, believe me

          I'll tell you one story ...
          About 7 years ago, on May 9, after the parade, my friends and I decided to drink beer. From the barrel. It was hot. There was a long line. My grandfather came up with medals, the Order of Glory, the Order of the Patriotic War, the Red Star ... He walked up to the front of the line and asked: "Let go out of line, it's hard to stand." Something, let's speak: "If you were not a grandfather who fought, we would now be drinking Bavarian." Grandfather already has tears! Well, the silent scene didn’t last long ... I’m not going to describe what happens next, I can only say that on that day they didn’t get only Bavarian beer, they didn’t get any beer at all!
          Well, with my friends, and now my wife and I have long been a tradition. We go to the parade on May 9, and after the parade we distribute carnations to all veterans. we buy 30-40 pieces and distribute them one by one. You need to see those eyes when you just give them a scarlet carnation on the street ... And indifference, I did not notice there.
          1. Rustiger
            Rustiger 2 May 2013 21: 33
            11
            Quote: Atlon
            We will go to the parade on May 9, and after the parade we give out cloves to all veterans. we buy 30-40 pieces and distribute them one by one.

            Actually, Pavel, these are my words smile
            But since spoken, I will join! hi
            I always go home on May 9. The town is small and there is no parade, only a march to the Eternal Flame, so we watch TV with the boys. Then I also buy ALL red flowers in the nearest stalls (thank God, the funds allow). But there are always not enough carnations, and then tulips, asters, peonies, etc. are used (I don’t know the name, and it doesn’t matter...)
            Just yesterday we bought 3 bags of carnation seeds in Magnet, today I put 3 cut-out balloons with earth in my dacha, and my wife sowed the seeds. They will not have time to climb this year, I hope in the future ts. will be on time. fellow
            And we give flowers to everyone - veterans, old people, guys with awards, my boys are so simply beautiful "sikushki laughing
        5. Cap-3 USSR
          Cap-3 USSR 2 May 2013 20: 15
          0
          Clown you. There’s nothing more to say.
        6. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 2 May 2013 20: 32
          +5
          Quote: Basil-71
          . Anything is better than fun in the square.

          Dear one, the fun is in the gay club ... And don't you dare to say a word more here. Do not touch with dirty hands what has nothing to do with your filth!
        7. Pushkar
          Pushkar 2 May 2013 23: 01
          +3
          Quote: Basil-71
          Firstly, there are almost no real veterans left alive and they are indifferent to the parade, believe me, secondly, it would be more useful to use these babos on the same development of some program for veterans, or simply to start developing medicine or education. Anything is better than fun in the square.
          That is, Victory Day is only a matter for veterans? We don't need it, the veterans will die - and the Victory Day will disappear?
        8. smile
          smile 3 May 2013 01: 00
          +4
          Vasily-71
          Vassenka, I honestly wanted to answer you ... according to the text ... but I didn't want to, you don't have a conversation, and you actively don't want it ... you registered today just for this demarche ... and a blatant lie, shocked the public, for you so ... the execution of the task ... in general, I am very peaceful ... harmless ..... but reading you, I understand that this is the case. when ... clicked, and never remembered ... I want to jerk your ear off ... it's not fatal, but stunning ... it's not interesting to paint further ... but your ear ... or your finger ... .do not make us killers of rare animals ...
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 3 May 2013 01: 04
            +7
            Attempts to assassinate the May 9th holiday are clearly provocative!
            1. Die-hard
              Die-hard 3 May 2013 01: 16
              -6
              Quote: studentmati
              clearly provocative

              This holiday on May 9 is senile in nature. As if besides this Pyrrhic victory there is nothing to be proud of.
              Even more striking is the hypocrisy - they remember the veterans once a year and nothing more. The rest of the time they seem to be non-existent, as well as veterans of other companies - the same Afghanistan, not to mention Chechen companies.
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 3 May 2013 01: 25
                +2
                Everything has its time. I agree with you about the "detachment" of the memory of the Afghan and Chechen wars. I believe the time will come to perpetuate the memory of all those killed in the wars, and perhaps this date will be the 9th of May. I suppose this should include those who died in the Battle of the Ice and in the Battle of Kulikovo ... There is room for thought for historians.
              2. MG42
                MG42 3 May 2013 01: 37
                +8
                Quote: Inflexible
                This holiday on May 9 is senile in nature. As if besides this Pyrrhic victory there is nothing to be proud of.

                If it were not for this Victory, then perhaps you would not have written here
                photos from the Buchenwald concentration camp >> a pile of bones
              3. smile
                smile 3 May 2013 02: 25
                +6
                Die-hard
                Interestingly ... the nickname has changed ... but the text and speech features are the same .... Vassenka .... hello! ... why did you come back? ... you were already beaten here ... or did you like it ?. .. well, go scratch on the shovel, why dodge here? Or you, having a pair of three avatars, decided to donate a pair here? so this ... lay it all out at once, why waste time on trifles ... dig, so dig! ...
                1. MG42
                  MG42 3 May 2013 03: 01
                  +6
                  Quote: smile
                  That's interesting ... the nickname has changed ... but the text and speech features are the same

                  He changed another >>> yesterday the squad lost a fighter <maximus>, although the nickname <minimus> would have been more suitable for him
                  Quote: smile
                  have you already been fought here ... or did you like it?

                  he is a paid masochist
                2. SASCHAmIXEEW
                  SASCHAmIXEEW 3 May 2013 14: 33
                  +1
                  Unbending ... he himself, only in a dream he sees, and so he is a liquid d ... mo, pouring from his rotten mouth ... Tfu, it's even disgusting to think about such ...
    4. domokl
      domokl 2 May 2013 16: 50
      66
      Quote: Basil-71
      The only veteran with whom I spoke with me agreed that this show-off is very expensive to manage financially.
      I am furious, so I won’t be correct ... Scum, which is not Russian for the lousy penny, not even of the former Soviet ... Scum, which puts the cork in Moscow above Victory Day, is not Russian ... Scum, which removes what listed (I would add here the Bastards) -not Russian ...
      The Germans and others who went to the USSR were enemies, but they were soldiers. As I understand the soldiers, they also fulfilled their duty, their orders ... And these supposedly Russians are much worse, much more terrible and much meaner ... These are traitors outcasts ...
      And let them just try to blather something on Victory Day ... I’m not a WWII veteran, but I’m no longer a kid either, but I’ll fill my face with anybody ...
      This is our Victory, this is my Victory, this is the Victory of my children and all those who left their loved ones on the fields of war ...
      1. Vasily-71
        Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 53
        70 th
        I am Russian, but I am not Soviet.
        1. skeptic
          skeptic 2 May 2013 17: 00
          26
          Quote: Basil-71
          I am Russian, but I am not Soviet.


          DON'T GO. You're just a petty, vulgar foe.
          1. Vasily-71
            Vasily-71 2 May 2013 17: 01
            52 th
            Do not insult me, not mature yet.
            1. domokl
              domokl 2 May 2013 17: 23
              24
              Quote: skeptic
              . You are just a petty, vulgar enemy.

              Quote: Basil-71
              Do not insult me, not mature yet.
              This is just a statement of fact ... The skeptic called you what you really are ...
              1. Rustiger
                Rustiger 2 May 2013 20: 55
                20
                Quote: domokl
                This is just a statement of fact.

                Guys! Yes, leave this slap of a cow, if not "alone", then certainly without attention. Do you want to waste time, nerves, and server disk space on it? What he wanted was what he got - THE VARIATIONS ON HIM! Do we need it? ... ... ...
                In the place of the moderator, I would have cleaned this ch.m. o.shnik "quietly", and all for a short time. ... ... And they didn't even beat him with a warning. ... ... It is clear to everyone that this shelter did not expect to stay here for more than one day, and we were all led to his vyser. Personally, I even address such people directly - it's a mess. I often see these on the streets. ... ...

                voo


                With me this situation usually has a certain continuation. Usually in the next "shot" the place of the old man-fighter is taken by those two bastards who are supporting the fence, and with "heavy bodily" ones. I am responsible for the words, in the past I was twice convicted of "damage" when I was in the "numerical minority"
                Quote: Basil-71
                Do not insult me, not mature yet.

                Vasyok, can you tell me that in real life? Then you will be able to earn money for your treatment by selling the filmed video to the channels under the heading "criminal chronicle". ... ...
                Or, if you want, you yourself will become the most popular exhibit of the Petersburg Kunstkamera in the gallery of freaks. Although you are already in the lead in this nomination by a wide margin. ... ...

                PS And veterans and all PEOPLE I still have time to congratulate. And I will watch the parade with my sons-boys
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2013 17: 39
              +9
              to call a spade a spade does not mean to offend
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            4. brelok
              brelok 2 May 2013 18: 58
              +8
              Quote: Basil-71
              Do not insult me, not mature yet.

              God forbid to grow so!
            5. vlrosch
              vlrosch 2 May 2013 19: 07
              0
              So you also fought against RUSSIA-smerd.
              1. igor.borov775
                igor.borov775 7 May 2013 21: 43
                0
                Why is it so polite to him, you can't call him unworthy,
            6. Genur
              Genur 2 May 2013 20: 11
              +1
              There is a RUSSIAN proverb - "The family has its black sheep."
            7. Evgeniy-111
              Evgeniy-111 2 May 2013 21: 05
              +3
              In this case, be so kind as to introduce yourself in full: last name, first name, patronymic, year of birth, and, preferably, the city of residence (isn't it outside our borders)?
              1. valokordin
                valokordin 2 May 2013 21: 32
                +5
                Quote: Evgeniy-111
                In this case, be so kind as to introduce yourself in full: last name, first name, patronymic, year of birth, and, preferably, the city of residence (isn't it outside our borders)?

                As our Commander-in-Chief said: passwords, attendance, communication method. It seems to me that this is a conditional thrown beacon to track the reaction. Do not fuss he is misdirected.
          2. tank74
            tank74 2 May 2013 18: 42
            +2
            You are NOT Russian, but.
        2. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 2 May 2013 17: 06
          22
          Quote: Basil-71
          I am Russian, but I am not Soviet.

          You are not Russian, you are a snatch without clan and tribe. You do not want to stand in traffic jams, take the subway But touch our holiday!
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            1. skeptic
              skeptic 2 May 2013 17: 24
              +9
              Well, now it is clear which single "veteran" does not like VICTORY DAY. How Vlasov's filth climbed. And then just what thirty pieces of silver. They made rot and betrayed for less money.
            2. Atlon
              Atlon 2 May 2013 17: 32
              11
              Quote: Basil-71
              but I'm not a scoop.

              Come on rock you! And this is not being treated ...
              1. StolzSS
                StolzSS 2 May 2013 21: 43
                +3
                You state the fact exactly. This is perhaps only treated in a crematorium, so that his essence can quickly leave this mortal earth so that he no longer has to deny soviet in its origin ...
            3. tomket
              tomket 2 May 2013 17: 33
              +3
              What Russian are you ??? if you put such a picture ??? or are you also a truth-seeker fighting for historical justice?
        3. domokl
          domokl 2 May 2013 17: 20
          17
          Quote: Basil-71
          I am Russian, but I am not Soviet.
          Russian is not a place of birth. It is the memory of ancestors, culture, Homeland. You have nothing ..
        4. Atlon
          Atlon 2 May 2013 17: 31
          18
          Quote: Basil-71
          I am Russian, but I am not Soviet.

          Russian is a state of mind! He who does not have a soul, by definition, cannot be Russian! You are not Russian or Soviet, you "Russian, you know"... This is the most suitable name for you!
          1. RUS-36
            RUS-36 2 May 2013 21: 14
            +2
            A Russian is something 100% offensive! I don't know such a nation. Most suitable for a ghoul Vasily-71
        5. svp67
          svp67 2 May 2013 17: 34
          +1
          Quote: Basil-71
          I am Russian, but I am not Soviet.
          Who told you that? You can't be a part of Russia, constantly blaming it. "Solntselikiy" You are ours - you are a cosmopolitan, without clan and tribe ...
        6. Homo
          Homo 2 May 2013 18: 14
          +6
          Quote: Basil-71
          I am Russian, but I am not Soviet.

          If you were born after 1990, you have no right to judge the Victory Parade !!! If you were born before 1990, then you cannot be not Soviet !!! You yap without clan and tribe !!!
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        8. roaming
          roaming 2 May 2013 18: 43
          +4
          a descendant of policemen and Vlasovites, a Nazi underdit
        9. vanya
          vanya 2 May 2013 18: 54
          +2
          you are not Russian
        10. brelok
          brelok 2 May 2013 18: 57
          +3
          Quote: Basil-71
          I am Russian, but I am not Soviet.

          Vstarin (before the co. Power) about people like you said undead. Not related to the human race. Such victories in such wars are not among any people in the world. Such self-sacrifice has never been in the history of mankind!
        11. Azzzwer
          Azzzwer 2 May 2013 20: 17
          0
          get this ghoul out of here
        12. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 2 May 2013 20: 20
          +6
          Russian is not a last name. Russian is a soul. Even if you are three times over, you don’t have a soul. So you are not Russian. Go again, count the money, emptiness ...
        13. stroporez
          stroporez 2 May 2013 20: 58
          +3
          Quote: Basil-71
          I am Russian, but I am not Soviet.

          not ........ not so.mu ...... to you, Vasya ........... and certainly not Russian ........
        14. Victor
          Victor 2 May 2013 21: 24
          +3
          Quote: Basil-71
          I am Russian, but I am not Soviet.

          Don't lie, Yusovsky fosterling. Russians are not like you.
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        16. magadanets
          magadanets 2 May 2013 22: 44
          +2
          The fried chicken also sang that he was not Soviet, and not a cadet, and that he was a chicken commissar. That’s why he was caught and arrested. laughing
        17. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 3 May 2013 00: 26
          +4
          What Russian are you ?! Russian would not carry such nonsense!
      2. Gari
        Gari 2 May 2013 17: 39
        46
        Quote: domokl
        This is our Victory, this is my Victory, this is the Victory of my children and all those who left their loved ones on the fields of war ...


        Dear, I, too, is not Russian, but not as infuriated as yours, this scum has no nationality, subhuman

        My two grandfathers Armenians from Georgia, fought, one returned in fragments from Stalingrad, the other came as Berlin’s marines

        It was the Victory of our Grandfathers, our Fathers, now Our Victory will be the Victory of our children!

        Because I am Great Victory!
        1. Gari
          Gari 2 May 2013 21: 44
          11
          May 9 I go with children
          to lay flowers
          Mother Armenia - a monument in honor of the victory of the Soviet Union in the Great Patriotic War in Yerevan. Located in the park Akhtanak (Victory), towering above the city center.
      3. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 2 May 2013 20: 55
        16
        I will add my story about Russians and enemies ... My uncle disappeared in September 41 near Kiev. He was only 22 years old. Grandmother hoped all his life that he was alive. If not a funeral, then ... maybe he was wounded , I lost my memory, and so on. That is, I believed that my son had survived and was living somewhere ... And in 42 they were under occupation. The German military units passed, and in the village they had some kind of quartermaster unit The winter was frosty. So the women gave the German soldiers warm clothes, because they did not have winter uniforms. And when I asked my grandmother, “How is it? They are fascists, enemies!” Grandmother answered, “And what about them? Doesn't she have a mother? Don't you think you feel sorry for her son? Or maybe someone will give or hide bread for my Fedya! "That was not very clear to me then. But now I think, what kind of souls were our grandmothers, if even in such circumstances they were share evil and good, hatred and compassion ........ These are the Russian women !!!! And they can break into shreds and immediately regret it !!!
        1. evgenm55
          evgenm55 3 May 2013 08: 19
          +5
          And my grandmother winter 41,42,43 in the Bryansk region at night, in frost, rain, etc. through the cut down, mined field, the partisans wore bread ... And she didn’t have any feelings for the enemies — they burned the floor of the family, the floor - in the battles went down ... Uncle at age 13 took the rifle and left for the forest. I can’t and I don’t want to understand, they don’t forgive, they came to us, they mutilated the lives of millions of Soviet people. Eternal memory to the fallen !!! FOR VICTORY! !!
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    6. alex-defensor
      alex-defensor 2 May 2013 19: 08
      19
      Quote: Basil-71
      The only veteran with whom I spoke with me agreed that this show-off is very expensive to manage financially.


      1. - I DO NOT BELIEVE. Real defenders of the fatherland fought NOT FOR THE BABLO !!!
      2. - The parade is not for veterans, but for the spirit of our entire people
      3. - if the people are not proud of their past, - such people have no future
      4. - not for you to decide
      5. - the article is good, but the pugs from Echo of Moscow are outright enemies, and Ayder Muzhdabaev is generally a Tatar nationalist. He will never say anything good about Russian, for he has been poisoned with the poison of hatred since childhood !!!
      1. evgenm55
        evgenm55 3 May 2013 08: 23
        +3
        THANKS !!! FOR OUR SOVIET HOMELAND !!!
    7. yak69
      yak69 2 May 2013 19: 16
      +4
      Quote: Basil-71
      The only veteran with whom I spoke with me agreed

      It is not known what kind of veteran he was! Maybe he was eating up the whole war at the "grocery warehouse", and not in the trenches and was on the battlefield. There are also such "veteran heroes" (few of them, but there are).
      So, following this logic, it is not necessary to create masterpieces of architecture, memorials, sculpture. It’s better to hand it out to the people, eat it (this is at best, at worst, in your pocket).
      In general, it should be noted that the boys from the Harvard project worked wonderfully - in the country that defeated fascism, a whole generation of Pepsi grew up, for whom it costs nothing to obstruct (so far verbally) the Victory Parade. For whom it’s comfortable to bring your own house, much more important than a national holiday. How much fierce anger and hatred for their country. But, by the way, can this country be a stranger to them?
      It does not fit in my head what would have happened to a man in Soviet times, had he expressed himself publicly in this spirit! What is it that had to be done with our society so that such "fellow citizens" would grow up among us ?! It turns out that our public opinion has become so "tolerant" that it has become similar to public masochism. If this is not changed now, then tomorrow, when the generation of the 40s, 50s, 60s will go into oblivion, it will become quite possible to hold pedagogical parades and LGBT people at the helm. It won't be long (the world behind the scenes has eternity ahead, they know how to wait).
      We need to make drastic changes in the country. We have no time for quiet development. We have an economic lever of influence - the ruble. Do not buy "MK" (and other similar ones), do not watch slanderous films, do not watch a zombie box (there is internet, video player, books), do not listen to "voices of the enemy." After all, the same "MK" lives and thrives on sales, the same actors also live on sales.
      This is an accessible and effective way of influencing the situation today - not to buy, not to watch, not to listen to all these liberal media.
      1. yak69
        yak69 2 May 2013 19: 31
        +8
        We named our son in honor of my grandfather (on the paternal side), while my grandfather bequeathed all his rewards to him (it turns out to his great-grandson). The son treats them with the greatest trepidation; this is for him the most expensive gift. And I see with what respect and warmth he recalls him and how proud he is that he is a descendant of the WINNER!
        This is the living connection of time and the unquenchable fire of memory.
      2. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 2 May 2013 21: 04
        +3
        I join !!! Yes, and on our site, let's such Vasiliev here IGNORE! After all, they seek from us that we pay attention to them, respond to their verbiage. Let us silently minus them, but not engage in polemics. We will not persuade them, they have such a job ... And it is possible in the emergency situations for each of the members of the forum send them.
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 3 May 2013 09: 42
          +1
          Hello Nina hi
          They do not get attention, but they do the work. The mere presence of their posts is already bad, so you need to respond harshly and, preferably, in groups!
      3. valokordin
        valokordin 2 May 2013 21: 45
        +6
        Thanks Zhora, I liked the answer. Such pearls became possible because power became corrupt. These shifters brought up by the State Department, if they are not destroyed, will ruin the country and will sing about the uselessness of the Victory Parade.
      4. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 3 May 2013 09: 38
        +1
        So for sure, Yak69, so for sure, join in!
    8. Cap-3 USSR
      Cap-3 USSR 2 May 2013 20: 12
      0
      Except as a clown, there’s nothing more to call you.
    9. Andrew-001
      Andrew-001 2 May 2013 21: 22
      +3
      And this only veteran was a veteran of the 20 Estonian SS Grenadier Division.
      Change the circle of friends, my advice to you.
    10. starshina78
      starshina78 2 May 2013 22: 05
      14
      Is this veteran real or invented by you? When I read this article, everything was in full swing in me! And then I thought: who writes this - Muscovites? So this is not all of Russia, but the inhabitants of a snickering, insolent city, which they both in Soviet times and now cannot stand. They snickered and became outrageously insolent! Lord Muscovites! Do you watch TV, listen to the radio? But they always report that at a certain time and on certain streets the passage will be prohibited. So calm down your ambition, go to the bus and subway, and don't take a car to drive five kilometers to work. So you can't! How is it I'm going by subway! I'm the king, and the rest is dirt under your feet! Go and don't anger Russia! Don't touch on May 9! If you forgot. then this is Victory Day on the Nazi troops, the Day of Remembrance of all who died in this war and at the cost of their lives won us freedom. Many fought in my family, and how happy they were when, after oblivion, in 1965, they began to celebrate Victory Day! Every holiday they put on awards and went to the parade and the laying of wreaths, and they considered this a necessary attribute of this holiday. I cannot imagine May 9 without a parade, laying flowers at the graves and monuments to the soldiers who died in the war. According to these (you can’t swear) commentators, we need to screw everything up: forget about Victory Day (or how they will drive around their nasty Moscow), forget all the good things that we had in the USSR ((for them it's like a red rag for a bull), the church and faith for them is an anachronism that needs to be thrown into a landfill.They have other ideals: money (bucks, euriks, tugriks), homosexuals and oligarchs, nightclubs where you can prick (smoke, smell). do not care how Russia lives outside the Moscow Ring Road. They go there to their dacha, while behaving like gentlemen, but in fact boors and slovens, living according to the principle: "Where I eat, there and shit!" Gentlemen, do not touch Victory Day! then it’s not far from sin!
      1. yak69
        yak69 2 May 2013 22: 43
        +5
        Quote: starshina78
        in his filthy Moscow

        About the city you are in vain so! The city has nothing to do with it. Moscow is a hero city, with a centuries-old tragic and glorious history. But the people inhabit the city are different people, even there are many nonhumans! Especially in power structures, at the top. I also live in Moscow, although I myself am not a Muscovite.
        In general, a Muscovite (indigenous) is a nationality. He, a falcon, can be seen a mile away. Moreover, wherever he is, a Muscovite is different from everyone. It’s like abroad - you can immediately distinguish Americans from any crowd - arrogant, noisy, cheeky.
    11. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 2 May 2013 22: 43
      +2
      Quote: Basil-71
      The only veteran with whom I spoke with me agreed that this show-off is very expensive to manage financially.

      Let me have one more warning soldered, but I'll tell you Vasya: - "y-y-p = e-r-d-o-k you are a pig."
    12. mansur
      mansur 2 May 2013 23: 14
      +3
      Quote: Basil-71
      The only veteran with whom I spoke with me agreed that this show-off is very expensive to manage financially.

      Bastard, and this veteran is by chance not a veteran of the SS troops
      or UNO
      Do not marry this great holiday
      our favorite holiday — and especially expensive for veterans
  2. xetai9977
    xetai9977 2 May 2013 17: 57
    25
    I WILL SAVE SO. I CONGRATUL ON ALL VICTORY DAY. WITH THE GENERAL VICTORY. 2 BROTHERS OF THE GRANDFATHER, BROTHER OF THE GRANDS AND THE HUSBAND OF THE AUNE DIED.
    1. Frunze
      Frunze 2 May 2013 22: 34
      11
      AND YOU'RE BROTHER, HAPPY VICTORY, OUR GRANDFATES WERE NOT PRESENT, I KILLED TWO FAMILY GRANDFATHER AND ELDER BROTHER'S BROTHER, FURNISHED MINOR MIND, WERE ALREADY BELONGER. , UNCLE GREGA WITHOUT FEET AND BRUSHES HANDS ON THE BOTTLE WENT (PROSTHESIS) AND THE FLASK OF MILK LOADED AND UNLOADED .... ETERNAL MEMORY AND THANKS TO ALL FATHERS. Amen!
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 3 May 2013 08: 27
        +4
        AMEN. ETERNAL MEMORY OF HEROES.
  3. kerozin1982
    kerozin1982 2 May 2013 18: 34
    16
    People are kind! I apologize very wildly, but I registered with one purpose - to say: Vasily-71, you are not Soviet or Russian. do not know and do not respect the history of your country (judging by the flag). To the SS veteran "fiery" hello. Burn you in hell!
  4. vlrosch
    vlrosch 2 May 2013 19: 00
    +1
    This mud was written by the children of those who met the fascists with flowers and joyful cries. What can you get to cuddling everything. They crap, crap, and they themselves got into it.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 May 2013 19: 01
      -4
      That would not be so bad.
  5. Cap-3 USSR
    Cap-3 USSR 2 May 2013 20: 13
    +2
    Yes, it’s more than a clown and there’s nothing to call it.
  6. Vadivak
    Vadivak 2 May 2013 21: 04
    +7
    The parade is needed, stop wasting time on the Nazis, but the supreme commander must meet the defenders of the Motherland while standing
  • tomket
    tomket 2 May 2013 16: 04
    +4
    and can you throw grandmothers instead of a parade?
  • fokino1980
    fokino1980 2 May 2013 16: 10
    15
    ! It's not so much for them 'but for us !!! This is a holy holiday and it should be celebrated like that! Are you waiting for your English speakers out of 5?
    1. here and there
      here and there 2 May 2013 16: 20
      +3
      mankurt you, that's all
    2. smile
      smile 2 May 2013 16: 23
      +8
      fokino1980
      He is from a breed of brainless, rootless cosmopolitans who are useless to anyone, including where they came up with ... a kind of culling of our people - here it is its product, sediment ....
  • dddym
    dddym 2 May 2013 16: 15
    +6
    And why don’t the oligarchs simply ensure the worthy existence of these same veterans - if not for our grandfathers - they would not have the opportunity now to own these very machines and in general their life would be a big question. And they regret the money - ah, the miles of victims in the cork - 15 minutes on the bus could be on foot!
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 2 May 2013 17: 36
      +8
      Sometimes it just seems to me that our "oligarchs" are not oligarchs at all, but watching over the money-box. Therefore, they cannot fully control their wealth. And the real owners of capital are unknown to us. We can only guess about them ...
    2. valokordin
      valokordin 2 May 2013 21: 51
      +2
      Quote: dddym
      And why don’t the oligarchs simply ensure the worthy existence of these same veterans - if not for our grandfathers - they would not have the opportunity now to own these very machines and in general their life would be a big question. And they regret the money - ah, the miles of victims in the cork - 15 minutes on the bus could be on foot!

      Yes, you can still add, if not for the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS, they would have perished in Auschwitz, but would rather have got on Schindler's list.
  • DPN
    DPN 2 May 2013 16: 33
    14
    ONLY, THANKS TO THE VICTIMS OF VICTORY, A POSSIBLE YOUTH POSSIBLE AND KNOWS WHEN THERE WAS A COUNTRY WHICH WINS IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR, FOR THE UNIVERSE OF AN ORIGINOUSLY COUNTRIES ARE NOT BEGINNING, NOW VERY DIFFICULT TO PROVE VICTORY. THE STATES REMAINED ,, England, and the USSR HAS NOT ASKED ASKED WHO WHO WON? A BUTTERFLY SHARED THOSE WHO DOES NOT NEED THIS HOLIDAY.
    1. albai
      albai 2 May 2013 21: 33
      +2
      You are wrong DPN !!! The successor of the USSR, RUSSIA, and as the soldier who did not let the banner of VICTORY fall on the battlefield and carried it further in time and space. So that he gathered around him all honest, pure in soul and thoughts, patriots. So that the Eternal Fire does not go out during the hard times of perestroika, collapse, all sorts of irritations, so that the youth know and pass on to their children, whose sweat, blood, lives this VICTORY was suffered through! And the country WAS, IS and WILL BE. In one of the novels, Ch. Aitmatov has an episode "... I remember a horseman galloped up to us during the harvest, shouted," sit the Kirghiz in the saddle, the enemy came, "AND EVERYONE stood in one row, to our house trouble has come. The trouble was common to our whole COUNTRY, we survived. And PARADE is a memory, PARADE is a reminder to all enemies and foes that there are still descendants of those who led the same technique and walked in the same way, both in November 41 and in May 45. Thank the granfather for the victory!!!!!
      1. DPN
        DPN 3 May 2013 06: 01
        +2
        If the USSR were simply renamed into Russia, then indeed, Russia could be considered in the world the legal successor of the USSR, and since it is not a shame she got the USSR's fragment of the nuclear weapon, the other 14 republics did not get it. Therefore, they yapped at Russia with the support of the West.
        In Soviet times, almost every second was a veteran of the Second World War, therefore, it was impossible to create normal conditions for everyone in the war-torn country, but now there are only a few of them, some of them still cannot get housing, in our happy time.
  • skeptic
    skeptic 2 May 2013 16: 34
    +7
    Quote: Basil-71
    For example, the parade on May 9 is extremely expensive pleasure. It would be better if the veterans gave their grandmothers.


    Yes, expensive, especially for people who fought, who lost their relatives.

    If veterans read such "opuses" of white-tape worms, nothing but the feeling of the most vile filth can cause them.

    Parades are made for all veterans of the former USSR, for people for whom the Motherland is not an empty phrase.There are times in life when the moral aspect is higher than the material - this is one of them. VETERANS suffered more in the trenches than you in traffic jams.

    And your "PROMBLEMS" - that is, "office plankton" and other "Maskovskaya riffraffs" are so insignificant and shallow that it only emphasizes the essence of all the above-mentioned baseness. You can be in the shoes of ordinary Muscovites for a few days of the rehearsal process.
    ON THE SUBWAY - gentlemen. And just realize with your meager mind - who you would be if VICTORY was not ours. Just don't want you to "ADAPT" or be Lagerführer. YOU might simply not exist.
  • zanoza
    zanoza 2 May 2013 16: 35
    10
    Quote: Basil-71
    ... extremely expensive


    You would have asked the "liberals" how much money they are wasting (in their words, "honestly earned" negative , Ponamorov an example am) in nightclubs, bohemian hangouts, foreign courses "to improve democracy" (or, more correctly, "crap"), to buy real estate in the West ... The list is endless .... On whose money they "buzz", from whose hands do they feed?
    1. Vasily-71
      Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 40
      58 th
      And then the mythical "liberals" in which you have already written me? I'm just saying that funny parades are not needed, veterans do not need them either.
      1. skeptic
        skeptic 2 May 2013 16: 53
        +7
        Naturally, nothing to do with, just writing such comments can be either a mentally flawed person (which causes you deep regret), or an outspoken enemy, creating heinous provocations, against the memory of the people. I hope their grandmothers have already worked out, or else for the prize the desire to untwist their masters?
        1. Vasily-71
          Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 55
          42 th
          Which ones? The fact that I proposed to cancel the expensive fun for the proletarians on May 9 and put money into something necessary and useful? You are a pest.
          1. skeptic
            skeptic 2 May 2013 17: 08
            +8
            Quote: Basil-71
            Which ones? The fact that I proposed to cancel the expensive fun for the proletarians on May 9 and put money into something necessary and useful? You are a pest.


            The usual thirty pieces of silver. Disclosure of a vulgar provocateur, such as an NPO in the role of a "foreign agent" - sabotage?
            1. Vasily-71
              Vasily-71 2 May 2013 17: 13
              38 th
              You are a pest because you want to waste funds.
              1. skeptic
                skeptic 2 May 2013 17: 45
                +6
                Quote: Basil-71
                You are a pest because you want to waste funds.


                Apparently your colleagues from the ROA (according to your photo) "rationally" tried to invest their funds in Russia together with the Nazis?
                What did not grow together, so at least "bite"? You are ridiculous and your essence is Vlasov litter.
              2. Proud.
                Proud. 2 May 2013 18: 07
                +8
                Hm ... I wonder how you feel about the fact that during the Second World War, starting in 1943, it was decided to salute all the victorious military operations of the Soviet army on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War. They were fired from anti-aircraft guns. In total, 355 salutes were fired in Moscow until the end of the war, but on May 9, 1945, the most, one might say, the greatest salute sounded - 30 artillery volleys from 1000 guns. Based on your logic, it was useless. So ..., irrational Use of Means It might be worth considering that the moral component, in other words Spiritual support, is a powerful weapon.
              3. igor.borov775
                igor.borov775 2 May 2013 18: 22
                +3
                Gentlemen, look how thrifty he is for free, Well, dear, you are our truly Ponomarev, one of the best fighters against corruption, He also rode for budget money on the scales and also managed to cut down an extra handsome man,
              4. tank74
                tank74 2 May 2013 18: 44
                +3
                Know history, be proud of it. This is the most rational.
              5. vjatsergey
                vjatsergey 2 May 2013 20: 20
                +1
                I read, read your posts and could not resist, looked where you live, there was a hope that somewhere near - a dash. and so I wanted to reach you or drive and \\\\\\\\\. In my youth, I served two terms for hooliganism and would have served more for \\\\\\\\\\\, but only so that people like you understand that it is impossible to write such x \\\ n without consequences.
                1. vjatsergey
                  vjatsergey 2 May 2013 22: 16
                  0
                  Sorry Vasily-71 did not indicate where he lives
              6. Tverichanka
                Tverichanka 2 May 2013 21: 16
                +1
                Quote: Basil-71
                eat irrational use of funds

                And everything human is by and large irrational. Is love for parents, children, the motherland rational? Is mercy rational? Is it like that for you (a small letter is written consciously) everything should be rational. For such things, send old parents to an almshouse, give children to nannies, throw a friend in trouble .... And most of them do not need any rationality, so they buy flowers and give them to veterans.
                1. igor.borov775
                  igor.borov775 7 May 2013 21: 52
                  0
                  Sorry, Empress, the priority is fundamentally wrong, Rationality here does not smell nearby After all, rationality is a synonym for practicality, but here it is clearly Crazy or Madness in its purest form
              7. Gipmol
                Gipmol 2 May 2013 22: 58
                +1
                Vasily don’t shame the RUSSIAN name "VASILY" when it comes to memory about any rationality RUSSIAN should not think, memory is more expensive !!!!!!!!!!!
          2. smile
            smile 2 May 2013 17: 47
            +7
            Vasily-71
            Do you think that the proletarians - those who really produce something - are, in contrast to you, the servants (creatives) of the second grade? After all, everything that we have. what have we done these people, scornfully called by you proletarians ... Don't you think that when you feel like eloi, the morlocks you despise will ripen and come to you? And they will be right !!!!! Indeed, it’s time to admonish the official plankton ... barked and gone too far ....
          3. Evgeniy-111
            Evgeniy-111 2 May 2013 21: 08
            +2
            And to what category of the country's inhabitants do you classify YOURSELF (it is clear that you are not a proletarian)?
            By the way, what do you have against the proletarians?
            Have you ever worked with your hands?
            Or do you offer French-style entertainment for employees? (multicolored)?
          4. dddym
            dddym 2 May 2013 21: 19
            +1
            You didn’t propose costly fun to cancel; you proposed putting big and fat on Russia ... You proposed destroying our grandfathers and great-grandfathers for 30 silver coins ...
            1. Matsamordy
              Matsamordy 2 May 2013 21: 20
              -6
              Quote: dddym
              You offered to destroy our grandfathers and great-grandfathers for 30 pieces of silver ...

              And do not care about them. Not the chosen ones.
              1. dddym
                dddym 2 May 2013 21: 27
                0
                Are you going to be God's chosen one ??? Sores your God and lick him - on another forum. And show your parents the post - maybe they will appreciate your "God's chosenness".
      2. domokl
        domokl 2 May 2013 16: 58
        +9
        Quote: Basil-71
        I'm just saying that funny parades are not needed, veterans do not need them either.
        The people who participated in these parades in the Great Patriotic War didn’t fight, but went through other wars ... Russia was always proud of its soldiers and paid tribute to them. And you measure everything with a penny, a cent, or some other kind of coins ... One such one already intended 2013 years ago ... they called Judas ...
      3. zanoza
        zanoza 2 May 2013 17: 04
        +7
        Quote: Basil-71
        I'm just saying that funny parades are not needed


        Basil, look around. Countries conducting military parades, as well as theatrical processions, carnivals (Brazilian is worth it!), historical reenactments, etc. - weight. And no one considers them literally "funny".
        This is the historical memory of the people, traditions, confidence in the power of their armed forces, which will stop any aggression, this is confidence in the future, reliability and protection.
        Pathetic, but it is perceived that way. And the Victory Parade is not held at the expense of the veteran's pension, but if something is missing for the veteran, then the demand for it is local authoritiesthat do not comply with the mass of decisions and orders of the government related to veterans.
        1. Vasily-71
          Vasily-71 2 May 2013 17: 09
          42 th
          Nowhere does it cost the budget so much.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 2 May 2013 17: 38
            +2
            It is unlikely that you counted and compared ...
          2. smile
            smile 2 May 2013 18: 15
            +7
            Vasily-71
            Here I am looking at your - + ... my soul rejoices ... even our full-time bandarlogs, of whom there are many here ... you were not supported ... you were not supported by NOBODY ... it was NOBODY !!!!! go to the trash, you have the very place there ....
          3. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch 2 May 2013 19: 03
            +3
            Quote: Basil-71
            Nowhere does it cost the budget so much.

            Are you probably a fucking expert in terms of budgets and funds allocated for PEOPLE'S ACTION, or are you worrying about money that isn’t you, because you get less? You met a man specifically, time will remind you what and how.
      4. smile
        smile 2 May 2013 17: 42
        +2
        Vasily-71
        The original term "liberal", just like "democratic", has been vulgarized by the Western propaganda machine since the time of Goebbels. who has talked about the totalitarian nature of Russia since ancient times ... and the followers of this 5 column are by no means mythical - you are its obvious representative ... and we are not to blame for the fact that you do not have enough brains to understand in whose favor you think .. I hope you don’t act .... and it is she who owns your statement about amusement .... no one calls such parades and festivities in the countries of "old" Europe amusing, they just do not invite us there ... no one also calls amusing SS parades in some countries of Young Europeans .... and if you count the money for our propaganda actions, then we spend an order of magnitude less on it than on military needs. which, in turn, are an order of magnitude inferior to the expenditures of the countries with might and main reasoning that it is time to divide our Siberia in an honest way ... between them .... do you really like it that much?
      5. Homo
        Homo 2 May 2013 18: 18
        +5
        Quote: Basil-71
        And then the mythical "liberals" in which you have already written me? I'm just saying that funny parades are not needed, veterans do not need them either.

        Listen, you nerd, invite the Americans to cancel Independence Day and read what they say about you! Every nation has its Great Holidays and people like you are not allowed to obsi..t them!
      6. AntonR7
        AntonR7 2 May 2013 19: 06
        +3
        Ancestors must be honored, the respect that we are obliged to show them is worth any cost, the parade unites at least for a moment and reminds us how dear the victory was given to us and, unlike the West, we have something to be proud of, we took Berlin and it was we who put an end to the world war, the scale of which is terrifying ...
      7. vlrosch
        vlrosch 2 May 2013 19: 14
        0
        Sweet. Anyone can be a liberal, but you are the simplest traitor, for a dime you sell your homeland like Humpbacked.
      8. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 2 May 2013 21: 10
        +1
        Get out of here, you dimwit!
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2013 17: 02
    +8
    far from everything in this world is estimated by grandmothers, but you do not understand this
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 17: 03
    29
    Quote: Basil-71
    For example, the parade on May 9 is extremely expensive pleasure.

    I will be brief.

    1. Vasily-71
      Vasily-71 2 May 2013 17: 09
      88 th
      I will be brief.
      1. svp67
        svp67 2 May 2013 17: 14
        31
        Quote: Basil-71
        I will be brief.

        So even shorter
      2. sniper
        sniper 2 May 2013 17: 15
        15
        Listen, underdog, get out of here
        Quote: Basil-71
        I will be brief.

        Briefly so go ...
      3. svp67
        svp67 2 May 2013 17: 17
        +8
        [quote = Vasily-71] And as Shakespeare said in the 12 sonnet - Walk Vasya ... And take the NKVDeshnik’s and the photo soldier of the SA in the form of 70’s with you ...
      4. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 2 May 2013 17: 23
        +6
        Quote: Basil-71
        I will...

        You will.
      5. tomket
        tomket 2 May 2013 17: 35
        +5
        Apparently your bullet is allowed to your ancestor, if not genetic then ideological)))))))
      6. fzr1000
        fzr1000 2 May 2013 17: 39
        0
        What the hell?
      7. Orthodox warrior
        Orthodox warrior 2 May 2013 17: 44
        +1
        And this moral u.od-71 still considers himself a Russian!
        1. AntonR7
          AntonR7 2 May 2013 19: 09
          +2
          he is probably not Russian, but is trying to hide behind the Russians, so that an opinion about Russians is unpleasant
      8. Gemar
        Gemar 2 May 2013 18: 13
        +5
        Quote: Basil-71
        I will be brief.

        I will be brief - BURN IN Hell!
      9. Homo
        Homo 2 May 2013 18: 23
        +3
        You forgot to add pictures of Vietnam villages under napalm.
        [media = http: //yadi.sk/d/HthWDAV04WEQl]
        http://yadi.sk/d/e95RQlPF4WESl
      10. подводник
        подводник 2 May 2013 18: 24
        +4
        The first photo from Ozerov's feature film ... a good film ...
        The second photo ... well, huh ... he knows where from, and actually it's not so important ...
        Well, and what did this ....... Vasya mean by that ??? What to pray for amers ???
      11. AntonR7
        AntonR7 2 May 2013 19: 08
        +2
        Well, you are a corrupt soul, consider amers liberators))) you are not Russian, but .....
      12. The comment was deleted.
        1. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 2 May 2013 21: 39
          0
          And I would give you a knife!
      13. ural70
        ural70 2 May 2013 20: 14
        0
        Pictures for people like you idiots fool
      14. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 2 May 2013 20: 33
        +1
        Quote: Basil-71
        I will...

        Although I am not a supporter of Khrushchev, here it would be simply a sin to disagree with him:

      15. redwar6
        redwar6 2 May 2013 21: 12
        +2
        And I'll stretch it a little bit. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\. I will not write anything else about you. You will not like it. By the way, before you judge read the history of all the Chekists. Learn the facts.
        But the Americans ... 9 months of actual hostilities with the Germans + Japan, which clearly did not capture anything. Did not have time. Probably.
        Without a drop of respect.
      16. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 2 May 2013 21: 36
        +3
        Although I do not use strong expressions, just figure it out for yourself what words fly to you, even from me, my aunt is quite peaceful. The mildest of them is !!!!! My father bombed your masters throughout the war, exactly from August 41- th to September 45th (Prague). All the curses of all the living and the departed, those who died and died from wounds or in peacetime, all orphans, invalids - ALL RUSSIANS - all these curses are on you, such as you and your followers! !! Be damned!
      17. patrianostra
        patrianostra 2 May 2013 22: 53
        +2
        The kind border guards are also from the NKVD. Do not repeat this liberalistic razor razuna
      18. yur
        yur 2 May 2013 23: 37
        +2
        Quote: Basil-71
        I will be brief.

        Oh, how nice it would be if this cleaner came to visit you !!!
      19. partisanche
        partisanche 3 May 2013 00: 06
        +2
        ..... you won’t give your address under the tail, you would spit scum like these .... like you and our grandfathers NKVDshniki and shot. Fear at night you cry into your pillow that these liberators did not free you. Doesn’t feel sick in the morning that a serpent was born here?
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 3 May 2013 00: 10
          +3
          Please observe the rules of decency, do not be like boors. Ignore the scum.
  • Petergut
    Petergut 2 May 2013 17: 26
    +2
    Vasily-71


    Sad daddy.
  • Alan
    Alan 2 May 2013 18: 02
    +4
    We have a lot of oligarchs selling "air"; better to give their grandmother to veterans and children !!!
  • brelok
    brelok 2 May 2013 18: 49
    +2
    Quote: Basil-71
    For example, the parade on May 9 is extremely expensive pleasure. It would be better if the veterans gave their grandmothers.

    Tell the veterans! Do you want to be a creature of animals following the example of Hitler's sermons? You became one! Th you bunch of pi .... aces are much nicer than the Victory Parade! I am ashamed of such people.
  • alex-defensor
    alex-defensor 2 May 2013 19: 01
    +4
    Quote: Basil-71
    For example, the parade on May 9 is extremely expensive pleasure. It would be better if the veterans gave their grandmothers.

    Basil, "minus 71"apparently your IQ.
  • 755962
    755962 2 May 2013 19: 09
    +5
    Quote: Basil-71
    the parade on May 9 is an extremely expensive pleasure.

    Money is not happiness .... Only you cannot understand this. It's a pity that they began to measure everything with money. Those who laid down their heads on the fields of the war did not think about money. They thought about life. You life ...
    The Victory Parade is of very great ideological significance

  • papas-57
    papas-57 2 May 2013 20: 02
    +3
    The parade is expensive, that's for sure. But there is money for the Parade and for veterans. It is enough to jail Taburetkin with confiscation, and there will be enough money. And if you put not one, but with a company, then the money will still remain for more than one Parade.
    1. skullcap
      skullcap 2 May 2013 21: 44
      +2
      Quote: papas-57
      Parade - expensive, that's for sure. But there is money for the Parade and for veterans. It is enough to plant Tabouretkin with confiscation, and there is enough money. And if you plant not one,

      In all fairness, it is necessary to plant all the thieves that all the streets of our cities were blocked on the cars bought with stolen money at all times, and not just in a couple of days when preparations are underway for the Parade.
  • lab29
    lab29 2 May 2013 20: 04
    0
    Better ask the Veterans what is better for them.
    1. Die-hard
      Die-hard 2 May 2013 20: 08
      28 th
      Veterans better lie in the ground.
      1. skullcap
        skullcap 2 May 2013 21: 48
        +5
        Quote: Inflexible
        Veterans better lie in the ground.

        When I read your bowel movements, I cease to be an opponent of abortion.
      2. Ribwort
        Ribwort 2 May 2013 23: 00
        +3
        Quote: Inflexible
        Veterans better lie in the ground.

        How is it that the earth is like you ???
      3. Apollo
        Apollo 3 May 2013 00: 22
        +6
        Quote: Inflexible
        Veterans better lie in the ground.


        although this is not provided for by the VO rules granted to me by a moderator for insulting the memory of WWII veterans and cynical behavior, a warning.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 3 May 2013 00: 26
          +4
          This is provided for by universal human values! I support the warning, although I think it is too liberal a measure.
        2. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 3 May 2013 00: 33
          +8
          Quote: Apollon
          although this is not provided for by the VO rules granted to me by a moderator for insulting the memory of WWII veterans and cynical behavior, a warning.

          Moreover, according to the rules of the site, a warning is also given for insults, and it does not matter that the veterans are insulted. In their face, all site visitors are insulted, at least the absolute majority.
  • Cap-3 USSR
    Cap-3 USSR 2 May 2013 20: 10
    +1
    Calling you but a clown is no longer possible.
  • The comment was deleted.
    1. Die-hard
      Die-hard 2 May 2013 20: 13
      16 th
      You are broken, replace.
  • Deniska999
    Deniska999 2 May 2013 20: 36
    +2
    Vasily, you are a candidate of co ... That's all.
  • late
    late 2 May 2013 21: 29
    +4
    Grandmas ... They did not fight for grandmas, understand, not for apartments, but for life, at the cost of their life, and no one drove them - they went. No amount of money will pay off those millions of people who died in the war, veterans need most of all our memory of their sacrifice. On our stele in Cherepovets is carved: -People, remember at what cost the Victory was gained, PLEASE REMEMBER! Who in our time does anything for life, and not for grandmas? And at the cost of your life for others to live? The exact answer is a few out of millions, because the time is peaceful. And if there is a war, will we be able to repeat their feat?
  • Rider
    Rider 2 May 2013 21: 31
    +5
    Quote: Basil-71
    For example, the parade on May 9 is extremely expensive pleasure. It would be better if the veterans gave their grandmothers.



    in the period 2008-2012, 256,2 billion rubles were allocated from the federal budget. Construction, purchase of housing was carried out, as well as social payments were made in order to provide housing for people in need of better housing conditions (WWII veterans, etc.). This allowed 216085 veterans to improve their living conditions in five years.

    As of January 1, 2013, the number of veterans of the Great Patriotic War who were not provided with housing was 25894 people.

    To continue the work on providing veterans with housing, the federal budget for 2013 provides 22,7 billion rubles.


    http://www.minregion.ru/press_office/news/2440.html

    and what did the "non-systemic opposition" do for the veterans?
    1. skeptic
      skeptic 3 May 2013 10: 47
      +3
      Quote: Rider
      and what did the "non-systemic opposition" do for the veterans?


      Spawned Vasya-71 and others like him.
  • Фокус
    Фокус 2 May 2013 22: 25
    +5
    Quote: Basil-71
    It would be better if the veterans gave their grandmothers.

    - You probably measure everything in "grandmothers", how much will you estimate - pride for the country, memory and respect for the dead and survivors, etc., and how much will you estimate the victory of our team? Maybe we’ll dismiss, because money is down the drain. I feel sorry for you, there is always not enough money and even having a lot of money a person is always not unhappy, but the respect and love of those around them are eternal values ​​and this is supported by traditions, even if costly, but it is common traditions and culture that unites society and rests on this "stone" state.
  • Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 2 May 2013 23: 15
    +6
    rather, it is necessary to send a huge amount of money for education - otherwise there are too many moral monsters ...
    1. MVS
      MVS 8 May 2013 15: 38
      0
      Quote: Dart Weyder
      rather, it is necessary to send a huge amount of money for education - otherwise there are too many moral monsters ...

      Better yet, lift the moratorium on the death penalty.
  • v53993
    v53993 2 May 2013 15: 47
    54
    Once again, I propose to quarantine Russia to disinfect the accumulated smelly liberal infection.
    1. fokino1980
      fokino1980 2 May 2013 16: 14
      20
      How sad it is to realize! You're right! Under the guise of democracy, the number of outright traitors to the Motherland is growing in the country!
    2. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 2 May 2013 16: 15
      53
      Agree to 100% good
    3. individual
      individual 2 May 2013 17: 37
      +1
      I agree, I support you from harmful insects to get rid of.
      1. Die-hard
        Die-hard 2 May 2013 20: 15
        17 th
        I support. It’s time to throw red elements to hell, ban symbols, demolish the mausoleum, and bury Lenin.
        1. dddym
          dddym 2 May 2013 21: 02
          0

          prefix nesg - where was attributed? In the State Department for grandmother ....?
        2. smile
          smile 3 May 2013 02: 43
          +2
          Unbending (4)
          Admit ... I really want to ... well, to hell with you about the whole face and ... well, then it’s clear that your head does not swing ... but I read you ... and I have suspicions ... not Do you exist, sir, only for our teaser? ... some kind of sketchy, caricatured stupid .... then let yours come up with better for training than it is clear who ... for training .... it really seems .... say no ... send me something unpleasant ....
    4. Ribwort
      Ribwort 2 May 2013 23: 12
      +5
      Quote: v53993
      Once again, I propose to quarantine Russia to disinfect the accumulated smelly liberal infection.

      I support! But most of the government will take a break from such disinfection. How are we without our "beloved" ministers, Chubais Tolik ...? Do you think we can do it? The President, apparently, cannot do without them ... what However, it's not worth talking about politics ...
      All, with the upcoming Victory Day! Health to the veterans and eternal memory to those who are no longer with us.
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 2 May 2013 15: 48
    25
    A large country cannot exist without history. And the May 9 parade is a tribute to those heroes without whom we would not be in the world. And then there is some money, someone's dissatisfaction with traffic jams, the noise of fireworks, etc. Just shut up.
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 2 May 2013 16: 05
      +6
      Quote: FC Skif
      And here is some money, someone's dissatisfaction with traffic jams, the noise of fireworks, etc. Just shut up.

      Definitely.
      May 9 is not only a holiday, it is also a tribute to the memory of everyone who contributed to the common cause of victory.
  • Vasily-71
    Vasily-71 2 May 2013 15: 48
    79 th
    Or I suggest this: hold a parade for everyone together. That is, financing is joint - from the United States, from France, from Britain - and the parade, respectively, is also joint of all the armies of the coalition. On the Red Square. In my opinion, a suitable option.
    1. FC SKIF
      FC SKIF 2 May 2013 15: 52
      18
      Yeah, Estonian with armor and other Ustasha call too? and call the parade Novodvorskaya
      1. Vasily-71
        Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 03
        53 th
        No, of course, Novodvorsk is not needed there. But let the allies also take part. Together they fought with fascism. Will they be at the parade this year? Who knows?
        1. fokino1980
          fokino1980 2 May 2013 16: 16
          24
          Are you waiting for yours? So don't go to them !!! There are enough reptiles without you !!
          1. Vasily-71
            Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 18
            43 th
            What? In the Second World War they fought together. Or do you want to argue with this fact?
            1. BARKAS
              BARKAS 2 May 2013 16: 29
              18
              Then the parade in Berlin is more logical, only the "allies" will never agree to this, it will not be politically correct!
            2. RUS-36
              RUS-36 2 May 2013 21: 25
              +3
              Name the MOST "GREAT" BATTLE of any Allied country and compare it with the Battle of Kursk, Stalingrad or the Battle of Moscow ... Don't make people laugh ...
        2. feanor
          feanor 2 May 2013 16: 24
          12
          Quote: Basil-71
          No, of course, Novodvorsk is not needed there. But let the allies also take part. Together they fought with fascism. Will they be at the parade this year? Who knows?

          Well, at the expense of fighting together, it was said loudly, rather, someone just at the end clung to victory.
          1. FC SKIF
            FC SKIF 2 May 2013 16: 27
            +8
            I agree, this is our victory. And Rain’s amers were removed, promoted and that's enough from them.
          2. Vasily-71
            Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 27
            31 th
            Lend-Lease? Is not it so?
            1. dddym
              dddym 2 May 2013 16: 49
              13
              Thanks to the United States for selling us the things we need to defeat our common enemy, Hitler. It was so nice: you come to an ally and say: "if they defeat me, then you have nothing to catch" - he scratches his turnips and then says, well, of course - we will help you, but you will pay for all this. Where do you go then? You will pay - since the enemy is already fighting with you! Such a notorious Lenlease is a panacea!
            2. tomket
              tomket 2 May 2013 17: 40
              +8
              and what is your Lend-Lease p-51d squeezed? b-17 and b-24 ?? b-29 ??? why did the old and meteors shut down the shooting ??? and floated aircraft "of limited use" ?????? where are the "tempests" and "typhoons" on the Soviet-German front? where are the mosquitoes? you will not tell ???? Probably Stalin refused them that would threaten more Soviet people ????
            3. FC SKIF
              FC SKIF 2 May 2013 18: 00
              +4
              My grandfather said that without American stew and boots, the war would not have been won. I respect his opinion, probably it was. Lend-Lease is good. But ours paid for VICTORY in blood, and the amers with canned meat, you know the difference, Vasya. And in general, you should leave comments on the "echo" or on the Rosbalt, you have to plow mulberries in perfume all the time. For such comments it will be very painful to minus you.
              1. sniper
                sniper 2 May 2013 18: 04
                +6
                Quote: FC Skif
                For such comments it will be very painful to minus you.

                For such comments, you need to ban with confiscation ...
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa 2 May 2013 18: 33
                  +5
                  Quote: sniper
                  You need to ban for such comments
                  Nah, 5 years old shot at least am
              2. Kostjan
                Kostjan 2 May 2013 18: 58
                +6
                The stew, like everything else, was bought from them for gold
                1. kerozin1982
                  kerozin1982 2 May 2013 19: 09
                  +2
                  and the stew was smelled ... not all, but ...
              3. Tverichanka
                Tverichanka 2 May 2013 22: 02
                +5
                Quote: FC Skif
                without American stew and boots, the war would not have been won

                I don’t think. Longer-YES! There would have been more victims as a result - YES! But they could not win. Even if the last hundred thousand people remained, they would still fight and still win! Our spirit is Russian! Many have experienced this firsthand, so the Fritzes would have been snatched anyway!
              4. DeerIvanovich
                DeerIvanovich 3 May 2013 00: 49
                +3
                the stew was not free
                amers did not pay anyone anything, they earned.
            4. Alan
              Alan 2 May 2013 18: 23
              +3
              Land lease is trade, it is not paid for gold; and who will pay for the blood of my uncle and grandfather ??? I think the one who remained to live, which means we are all. The state will say badly about the veterans cares ... I will agree only who prevents us from helping ours, and who already has no family of veterans left, help strangers.
              1. Tverichanka
                Tverichanka 2 May 2013 22: 09
                +5
                Quote: Alan
                only who prevents us from helping us

                To the point! .. My dad died a very long time ago, very young (the war also affected), but if he were alive today ........ You can't even imagine what I would do for him! I would wear it in my arms, cherish it, feed it yummy, kiss his hands ... By the way, he didn’t even get a participant's certificate. He said to his mother, “Well, I won’t go ahead of the women in line! I didn’t fight for that” ... ...
            5. RUS-36
              RUS-36 2 May 2013 21: 23
              +2
              Lend-Lease - WE BECAME GOLD, and the USA also helped Germany with the supply of fuels and lubricants for aviation, so for example ... read more books
            6. Tverichanka
              Tverichanka 2 May 2013 21: 55
              +2
              Quote: Basil-71
              end-lease? Is not it so?

              For the headless ones, for Lend-Lease, we paid in full. And we paid not with painted candy wrappers, but with GOLD! Do not know what the Amrov stew was called at the front? Second front, if you didn’t know! That's right, Vasek! ... Calm down, eh?
            7. patrianostra
              patrianostra 2 May 2013 22: 59
              +1
              Ice Lease is of course cool. The Union paid for it with a ringing gold coin. My grandfather told me that the second front was called canned sausages. hi laughing
          3. Gari
            Gari 2 May 2013 17: 31
            +9
            Quote: feanor
            Well, at the expense of fighting together, it was said loudly, rather, someone just at the end clung to victory.

            And who, from Brest to Berlin, all the peoples of the USSR at the head of the Russian people
            1. IGOREK
              IGOREK 2 May 2013 22: 17
              -4
              I completely agree, but I do not like it when, due to today's political realities, everyone else is deleted, such as amers did not do it. They did enough to consider themselves one of the winners, that is, today is a different topic. May 9 parades should be held, this is a great holiday for everyone who really realizes what the Second World War is, but it would be nice to improve the life of veterans.
              1. Containers
                Containers 5 May 2013 22: 52
                0
                Nobody is deleted. They simply indicate to those who are too presumptuous of their place - it is useless to rewrite history and already in textbooks broadcast that "only the allies won. Or even that "the USA and England fought against Germany, Japan and the USSR."
              2. igor.borov775
                igor.borov775 6 May 2013 08: 20
                0
                Wow, how attentive is only a bad story of this war, you don't know well, By the will of fate, they ended up in the same boat after December 1941, It must be clearly distinguished that the Yankees did not want to fight, And they did not fight, but made money in the war, They wanted to behave like this further, And only the proximity of the victory on the Eastern Front convinced Hitler to declare war on the United States in order to bind Japan’s eastern friend stronger, and the Yankees didn’t make very high-profile victories in Europe to hold a parade like the Victory Parade with throwing banners under your feet, Tighten your memory and remember the Yankees loudest victories, A the British are better now, they are completely silent, but they bombed and sank the warships of their allies, the French so that they would not get to the puppet regime of VISHI, Which is not true, True, And the second front was opened only after Stalin gave his word that after the victory over Germany we would start a war with Japan, Read history there are many vile facts but such is life,
        3. Bigriver
          Bigriver 2 May 2013 16: 24
          +8
          Quote: Basil-71
          .... But let the allies also participate.

          I am only FOR the Allies to attend the Festival of the Russian Spirit over the rational machine of the West.
          It will be useful to them.
          1. Vasily-71
            Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 28
            54 th
            Not spectators, but participants, and with their own technique. Such and such unity of peoples.
            1. Bigriver
              Bigriver 2 May 2013 16: 44
              10
              Quote: Basil-71
              Not by the audience, but by the participants, and with their technique.

              Here, you know, what a thing ...
              The Anty allies first built this rational and evil machine of the West themselves. They thought they had a fuck on this gesheft, they thought that the car would eat us up. And we began to lay it out for spare parts. They became bummed, and they also connected to the disassembly.
              Therefore, our allies prefer not to remember their unsuccessful project. And we, with our Holiday, just once again remind them what ss they are, and ... etc ... etc.
              Well, judge for yourself, what a holiday it is for them, eh?
              1. Vasily-71
                Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 49
                41 th
                first they themselves built this rational and evil machine of the West
                That exists in the minds of militant schoolchildren and conspiracy theorists.

                They fought along with the USSR - more questions?
                1. dddym
                  dddym 2 May 2013 16: 53
                  15
                  We remember how they fought! And Churchill's plan called the "unthinkable" we remember the same, and the Marshall plan and the plan of Dulles and Zbigniew Brzezinski we constantly remember, and Kandalizka and much more ... am
                  1. Vasily-71
                    Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 58
                    26 th
                    What else can you say interesting?
                    During the war, the USSR received from the allies for lend-lease assistance 18 (according to other sources, 700) aircraft, including fighters "Airacobra", "Kitty Hauk", "Tomahawk", "Hurricane", medium bombers B-22 , A-200 "Boston", transport C-25, 20 tanks and self-propelled units, 47 thousand kilometers of telephone wire, 12 million telephones; 200 million pairs of boots, more than 100 thousand tons of leather for sewing shoes, 2,5 thousand meters of wool , 15 thousand tons of stewed meat, 50 thousand tons of fat, 54 thousand tons of cow oil, 250 thousand tons of sugar, 300 steam locomotives, 65 cisterns on wheels, 700 electric diesel locomotives, about a thousand self-unloading cars, 1860 thousand railway platforms. and to the rear they delivered 100 thousand tons of explosives, almost 70 million tons of oil products, and another 10 million tons of special steel for armor, 344 thousand tons of copper and bronze, 2 thousand tons of aluminum from the allies. was to build 2,5 thousand isters There are almost as many thugs and bombers as our aircraft factories produced during the entire war ”(Lebedev I.P. 400) Aviation Lend-Lease // Military History Journal. 250. No. 100. S. 1-1991; 2) Once again about Lend-Lease // USA: Economy. Politics. Ideology. 27. No. 29. S. 2-1990).
                    1. Tartary
                      Tartary 2 May 2013 17: 06
                      17
                      Quote: Basil-71
                      During the war, the USSR received from the allies for lend-lease 18 .................

                      Yes, everything is so or almost so - sam-wosam ... And how much did the United States receive from the USSR?
                      Why don't you write?
                      Or are the Americans utter altruists? How much gold. silver and other nishtyakov?
                      Isn't direct incitement to war in Europe against the backdrop of the American crisis a benefit from the subsequent economic giant surges in the US economy?
                      Or it may seem that all of today's declared more than 8 thousand tons of US gold was given by Alaska? Again, Russian ...
                      1. Vasily-71
                        Vasily-71 2 May 2013 17: 10
                        28 th
                        So you didn't need a lend-lease?
                      2. dddym
                        dddym 2 May 2013 17: 24
                        +9
                        What are your boots and stew against all our blood? If your assistants had opened a second front in the 1942 year (and they had the opportunity to do this), then the war would have ended in 1943. With much smaller losses, and also with the Japs, they would have figured out much more efficiently.
                      3. olegyurjewitch
                        olegyurjewitch 2 May 2013 19: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: Basil-71
                        Vasily-71

                        Why did you jump off the topic?
                  2. smile
                    smile 2 May 2013 17: 55
                    +8
                    Vasily-71
                    Well, firstly, the lend-lease was repaid by 90 percent with gold and reverse lend-lease (for all countries) - and this is at prices, not at cost ... secondly, you better find out how much dough, resources and technique Hitler was given as before the War. and during it .... compare the numbers, it will become sad .... YOU !!!! and to us that we have people like you ...
                    1. igor.borov775
                      igor.borov775 2 May 2013 19: 38
                      0
                      Oh, you don’t have to go where you know it’s rather weak, the Marshall plan immediately earned where there was a special article about Lend-Lease, the USSR was deleted from this list by the new US President, You need to read all the available documents of that era
                  3. igor.borov775
                    igor.borov775 2 May 2013 19: 29
                    +3
                    Oh, and your small world is a shame to call your brother, I wonder what the allies asked in 43g in Tehran, you don't know or don't want to know, The numbers are stubborn things, but the main thing is thrown out, And in vain the allies asked to start a war as quickly as possible with Japan, And they themselves in the desert in Africa fought, Or is it inconvenient, Something with your memory has become something I know something is not, And in Yalta the allies put the squeeze on, Stalin promised to enter the war with Japan only after the victory over Germany, On one condition, All supply is accumulation All the resources for the troops must be made by the allies, the Transib simply did not pull it, the calculations of the troops were given and an approximate amount of only 3,5-4 months, There was the only disinterested ally that gave everything Mongolia could,
              2. domokl
                domokl 2 May 2013 17: 33
                +5
                Quote: Basil-71
                They fought along with the USSR - more questions?
                There are three questions: when did the second front open, what losses did the warring countries suffer and, third, what do you know about the greatest battle of World War II (from the point of view of American and European history, the Battle of Al-Alamein ...
              3. Babon
                Babon 2 May 2013 19: 23
                +3
                Remember the terms of the Versailles Peace Treaty. Under the treaty, Germany recognized and pledged to strictly observe the independence of Austria, and also recognized the complete independence of Poland and Czechoslovakia. The entire German part of the left bank of the Rhine and a strip of the right bank 50 km wide were to be demilitarized.
                According to the treaty, the German armed forces were to be limited to a 100-thousandth ground army; compulsory military service was canceled, the bulk of the remaining navy was to be handed over to the winners, and severe restrictions were imposed on the construction of new warships. Germany was forbidden to have many modern types of weapons - combat aircraft, armored vehicles. And who calmly allowed them to violate all these points?
              4. common man
                common man 2 May 2013 21: 07
                +2
                Quote: Basil-71
                They fought together with the USSR

                Rather, they fought against Hitler. Who did not fulfill their plans, but led his own game. And the USSR was the ally without which it would be very expensive to put Hitler in his place. Much more expensive than the resources supplied under Lend-Lease. So they chose "the lesser of two evils."
                1. Containers
                  Containers 5 May 2013 22: 58
                  0
                  Moreover, what was supplied under the lend-lease was paid for with hard currency.
                2. igor.borov775
                  igor.borov775 6 May 2013 08: 33
                  0
                  A very true remark as Churchill dreamed about it
            2. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 6 May 2013 08: 29
              0
              At the very point from which they now amicably disown, They were satisfied that in the USSR 50-80 million slaves lived on the strength of how the local population lived in India at that time, It must also be remembered
          2. DPN
            DPN 2 May 2013 16: 46
            +6
            The States have already united everyone, first against the USSR, now against Russia,
            Therefore, with them can go the heroes from the movie bastards, Vlasov, Bandera, in general, those who were against the USSR.
            1. Tartary
              Tartary 2 May 2013 17: 16
              -1
              Quote: DPN
              The States have already united everyone, first against the USSR, now against Russia,
              Therefore, with them can go the heroes from the movie bastards, Vlasov, Bandera, in general, those who were against the USSR.

              Excuse me ... And the characters from the movie "Bastards" have to do with it?
              A film about boys-heroes ... Maybe an invention of a script and direction, which has been criticized by all and sundry, but besides this film, there are also Soviet films about the boys-sons of the regiment, partisan detachments and underground-real heroes of the Second World War.
              You are ... Be careful, if you have no idea, but you rake it up, everything turns out in a row and not really ...
              1. DPN
                DPN 3 May 2013 06: 16
                +3
                About the movie "bastards" it was immediately recognized as fictional fiction, but I very much doubt that this is a good example for teenagers.
                There is Valka Kitty from the movie "Eaglet", Marat KAZEY, I can be mistaken about 14 teenagers HEROES OF THE SOVIET UNION are not Fictional and not bastards.
                1. igor.borov775
                  igor.borov775 6 May 2013 10: 58
                  0
                  Why do we know so little of our heroes, Lenya GOLIKOV, Liza CHAIKINA, Vasily KOTIK, Gulya KOROLEVA, there are a lot of them, and what do you know about Vasily Porik, And about the first commandant of the insurrectionary Paris, You can list a lot and still this site will not be enough And thousands of soldiers that met the enemy in the first hours, tens of thousands of civilians who died under the bombs in their homes, We will never know how many ordinary residents of the country died in this war, We know how many soldiers died in this war and the number of residents cannot be counted, Many archives could not take out and now we only roughly guess what the fascists have done, This is our holiday and not all overseas sang along, Our rulers also do not know what to do and want to and pricks, So they are looking for all the rabble with their dissenting opinion trying to discredit our history, they are given everything and the opportunity to speak Mr. SVANIDZE tried to discredit the country of the USSR through the court of history on TV, it was not possible, Now all attention is thrown on the schoolchildren, this is where the main battlefield is,
              2. igor.borov775
                igor.borov775 6 May 2013 10: 10
                0
                The answer is not correct, The boys appeared after the atrocities of the warriors of the Verkhnath and there is no need to mold nonsense here called Bastards, This is just a paid provocation against a country that does not exist, And interestingly, the directors of this nonsense also dump everything in a heap, In the partisan detachments, children were taught mine business much more, But the main difference is the children of their country, their people and the bastards there could not be for them there was one way to nowhere, And in the archives, no matter how hard they tried, there was not even a close similar one, In this regard, I recall the decision of the STASBURSKY COURT to pay compensation in the amount of 100 million greens, the decision was clear, but morally RUSSIA admits that there were shootings, but there is not a single fact or document that clearly recorded this, there are lists of executions, but they are small, certificates certified by the seal of the CPSU do not apply to this period since the CPSU itself did not exist then in sight, And the main thing is to deny the claim for the fact that there is no evidence, We just kept silent And all POLAND closely followed, And so we have a post Liberals always fall, If anyone has followed this topic, then he probably knows that not everything is clear there and the shells of the GEKO company, we had no such detachments, Yes, it was pre-war time, By the way, the shells are German, The one that must look at the magazines without memory (Military- Historical) of the Gorbachev era, then all the information about KATYN was issued, The matter is complicated by the fact that most of the Polish prisoners joined the first division of the POLISH Army and the first commander from this damned camp from near Katyn, And even then they said that this was a provocation, After the formation of the division left through Persia to EGYPT, After all, there were the main battles with the Germans, The fate of the general is sad, he died in a strange plane crash, But the main thing is the battalion of the Polish 2nd Army that fought shoulder to shoulder with our soldiers marching forgiven at the Victory Parade across RED Square, we remember this and we honor their contribution in the name of victory, Eternal glory and memory to all who contributed to the victory over fascism, We remember YOU and honor
          3. BIGLESHIY
            BIGLESHIY 2 May 2013 16: 52
            +6
            Quote: Basil-71
            Not spectators, but participants, and with their own technique. Such and such unity of peoples.

            What's just from Amsterdam? Hasn't let go yet? wassat
            May 9 is a holiday of victory over the Nazis, our holiday, and you propose to hold a gay parade. am
            PS It’s easier to drive equipment under Lend-Lease than to go to war. At the end of the war, we only joined when we did all the dirty work.
            1. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 6 May 2013 11: 08
              0
              No, this is our demand to open a second front, And they would have fought like that in AFRICA, They needed us, only this kept them with us
          4. skeptic
            skeptic 2 May 2013 17: 17
            +2
            Quote: Basil-71
            Not spectators, but participants, and with their own technique. Such and such unity of peoples.


            Bazaar with their owners - a joint parade on May 8 in Berlin. Or Nuremberg is preferable.
            1. Tverichanka
              Tverichanka 2 May 2013 22: 22
              +2
              Quote: skeptic
              joint parade on May 8 in Berlin.

              We, too, will pull up with our technique, and lightly.
              1. skeptic
                skeptic 3 May 2013 11: 03
                +1
                Quote: Tverichanka
                Quote: skeptic
                joint parade on May 8 in Berlin.

                We, too, will pull up with our technique, and lightly.


                Solidarity good
          5. smile
            smile 2 May 2013 17: 51
            0
            Vasily-71
            I don’t mind the joint parade, but it’s their mistake, reminding their peoples of our decisive contribution to the liberation of the world from Nazism ... and you tell them about unity to the secret services who are climbing out of their skin to educate us like you Vasily, who do not remember kinship. ...
            1. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 2 May 2013 19: 54
              +2
              Back in 45, Churchill proposed the Yankees to seize Berlin, He wrote that the capture of Berlin by the Red Army would put them in a very difficult position, In addition to military victories, there is also a political one, and it is much more important, It will constantly remind who made a significant contribution to the Victory, It will take significant efforts that - to level it out, True, Roosevelt refused this and Churchill was very sorry about this,
          6. Klimov
            Klimov 2 May 2013 18: 41
            +2
            Listen, get off this site, ardent fan of the Regional State Administration. Everyone is already frozen.
        4. Vasily-71
          Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 41
          28 th
          Problems? Listen to Zhukov:
          Now they say that the Allies never helped us ... But it cannot be denied that the Americans drove so many materials without which we could not build up our reserves and could not continue the war ... We did not have explosives, gunpowder. There was nothing to equip rifle cartridges. The Americans really helped us out with gunpowder, explosives. And how much they drove us to sheet steel! How could we quickly set up tank production if it weren’t for American steel help? And now they present the matter in such a way that we had all of this in abundance.
          ... Without American trucks, we would have nothing to drag our artillery.

          - From the report of the chairman of the KGB V. Semichastny - N. S. Khrushchev; top secret
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 2 May 2013 16: 46
            10
            Quote: Basil-71
            top secret
            Have you declassified these top-secret documents? Deadline, however! belay But who REALLY fought, and who traded canned meat, so you tell us on Western sites, and not here, but to whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear - and the winners are condensed milk producers, mlyn! negative
            1. Vasily-71
              Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 50
              26 th
              Are Zhukov more authoritative than you or not?
              1. Kaa
                Kaa 2 May 2013 17: 21
                +3
                Quote: Basil-71
                more authoritative than you
                For you personally - I - the reincarnation of Sevenfold BEFORE his resignation, with all that it implies ...
              2. smile
                smile 2 May 2013 17: 58
                +5
                Vasily-71
                And without American factories of synthetic gasoline and subsequent oil supplies through Sweden, Switzerland and Spain, etc. The Wehrmacht could travel within its military camps .... should you believe or common sense?
              3. smile
                smile 2 May 2013 18: 27
                +4
                Vasily-71
                Indeed, Kaa is as much superior to you in knowledge, and, more importantly, in the development of the head muscle, how much is Kippling's boa constrictor superior to bandarlogs .... in all respects .... Kaa, admit, how much did Kippling have for using the name? .. . or just limited to advertising? ... :)))
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa 2 May 2013 19: 02
                  +3
                  Quote: smile
                  . or just limited to advertising?

                  It's just that these words are to his liking: "West is West, East is East,
                  And they cannot come together. "THE MORE IN MOSCOW IT'S INAPPROPRIATE ... UNTIL ...
          2. dddym
            dddym 2 May 2013 17: 01
            +8
            speaking of this, do not forget that they did this not for free and not for the purpose of selfless help. And remember how they sold England a fleet of World War I - to their ally, even on the political side. For good profits not for a penny. And Churchill bought - and the same in a hopeless situation. Let's put them on parade - why? There’s Beat Nemtsow!
          3. svp67
            svp67 2 May 2013 17: 40
            +4
            Quote: Basil-71
            We had no explosives, gunpowder. There was nothing to equip rifle cartridges. The Americans really helped us out with gunpowder, explosives
            They sold it all to us, even on installments, but they sold it. For everything that they delivered to us, we paid them, we pay and we will still pay ...
            ... in June 1990, the presidents of the USSR and the USA agreed to pay off the debt to 2030. The agreed amount was measured in 674 million dollars.
          4. tomket
            tomket 2 May 2013 17: 44
            +1
            or maybe if there was a normal fluorine front in 42, wouldn’t it be necessary to carry artillery ??? Did not think????
          5. dddym
            dddym 2 May 2013 18: 13
            +5
            G. Truman: “If we see that Germany wins, then we should help Russia, and if Russia wins, we should help Germany, and thus let them kill as much as possible.”
          6. Proud.
            Proud. 2 May 2013 18: 29
            +3
            As for explosives (including gunpowder), the share of Lend-Lease deliveries was 38%. Not a few, but not Rescue Revenues. And we didn’t save them sour, including the economy. And after they grabbed the snot of blood under the Ardennes , and an uncle with a cigar, by the name of Churchill, asked for help, also in military terms.
            1. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 6 May 2013 11: 13
              0
              In the letter he begged and this is completely different
      2. sniper
        sniper 2 May 2013 16: 26
        15
        The consciousness of our youth is being diligently broken with new "brilliant" textbooks, films and other "universal values" ... Long ago our "friends" realized that Russia can only be destroyed from within and are diligently doing this ... Our people have little saint left, here now they are trying to take away the Victory Day in order to turn it into an indifferent herd ... But it will not work for them, once we have already given permission to tear our homeland apart, this will not happen again! We will not give !!!
        1. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka 2 May 2013 22: 34
          +3
          Quote: sniper
          Little is left of the saint among our people,

          Remember in the poem "Borodino" - "Yes, there were people in our time, not like the current tribe? So I think that sometimes we ourselves do not know what we are capable of in an extreme situation. Something eternal, unknown suddenly wakes up in our people, some kind of sacred connection with the earth, ancestors ... and then out of nowhere, hitherto unknown forces arise and then we crush everyone in our path ... The caterpillar turns into a butterfly! ... The Germans also thought that few will fight (repression, dispossession, etc.) and got what they got ... I believe that it was so and will be so in the future.
      3. smile
        smile 2 May 2013 16: 33
        +4
        Vasily-71
        In principle, I am not opposed to their contingents participating in OUR Victory Parade - let through the mud and lies of their official propaganda it will reach them, to whom they owe their lives and freedom ...
        1. Tartary
          Tartary 2 May 2013 17: 43
          +3
          Quote: smile
          In principle, I am not opposed to their contingents participating in OUR Victory Parade .............................

          So let them already participate once May 9, 2010 ...
          http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054048124049052055049057.html

          Looks like not even ally themselves or our politicians no longer want ...
          By the way, then the leaders of many countries ignored to personally participate in the parade - http://za.zubr.in.ua/2010/05/13/6107/

          The presence at the celebrations in Moscow on the occasion of the 65th anniversary of the Victory Day of the Allies in the anti-Hitler coalition was very symbolic. Western media state that the march of NATO soldiers across the paving stones of Red Square has finally drawn the line under the Cold War, confirming the determination of the Russian leadership to continue rapprochement with Europe and the United States. Against this background, the journalists add, the absence of individual Western leaders at the parade was only more striking.
      4. botur
        botur 2 May 2013 16: 38
        +4
        Quote: Basil-71
        Together they fought with fascism.

        Well, some fought, and some stood on the sidelines, and gathered courage.
        1. Vasily-71
          Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 43
          35 th
          - ... when the American stew, the oatmeal, egg powder, flour, other products began to arrive at us, what immediately significant additional calories our soldiers received! And not only the soldiers: something was falling to the rear.

          Or take the supply of cars. After all, we received, as far as I remember, taking into account losses in the way of about 400 thousand first-class cars of the time, such as Studebaker, Ford, passenger Willis and amphibians. Our entire army was actually on wheels and what wheels! As a result, its maneuverability increased and the pace of advance significantly increased.
          Yes ... ”Mikoyan said thoughtfully. - Without Lend-Lease, we would probably have fought for another year and a half.

          - G. Kumanev “Stalin's People's Commissars Speak,” p. 70— Smolensk: Rusich, 2005
          1. Ivan Kalinovich
            Ivan Kalinovich 2 May 2013 17: 27
            12
            Basil, you are a woodpecker !!!
            This is not an insult, this is a diagnosis! Lend-Lease from the amerovskoy side is business, business and nothing but selfish interests! Help is when it is DISCONTINUED !!!
            1. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 6 May 2013 11: 15
              0
              Mongolia was the only country that disinterestedly helped.
      5. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 2 May 2013 17: 10
        +2
        And units from the countries of the anti-fascist coalition uzhk participated in the parade. Nobody belittles their contribution to the victory over fascism, but it cannot be exaggerated either.
        1. Vasily-71
          Vasily-71 2 May 2013 17: 14
          27 th
          no one belittles fascism

          The fact of the matter is that they belittle and falsify history. The youth must remember the contribution to the victory of the allies.
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 2 May 2013 17: 34
            10
            Quote: Basil-71
            Youth must remember to contribute to the victory of the allies

            That's right, about the DEPOSIT, banking: "From June to August 1941, only 128 tons of materials purchased for cash were delivered to the USSR. It was the third month of the war, and the United States supplied us only with tools and industrial equipment purchased earlier. The situation has not changed and a few months later.As G. Ickes testifies, the American leadership sought to “have the Russians hand over to us all their gold, which will be used to pay off the supply of goods until (it) is depleted. From now on, we will apply the Lend-Lease Act to Russia ” [8]. In payment for supplies, the USSR also transferred to the United States strategic raw materials - manganese, chromium, asbestos, platinum, etc. In value terms, supplies to the Soviet Union, transportation costs and services amounted to 10,8-11,0 billion dollars, that is, no more than 24 % of the total US dollars spent on lend-lease aid to all countries (more than 46 billion). This amount is equal to approximately 13% of all US military spending, of which aid to the Eastern Front accounted for only 3,3 After the end of World War II, negotiations began between the USSR and the United States on the settlement of lend-lease payments, as the American government continued to strive to obtain maximum benefits in the form of payments or reimbursement of goods in kind. Initially, the administration estimated its claims at $ 2,6 billion, but next year reduced the amount to $ 1,3 billion. These claims discriminated against the Soviet Union, because, for example, Britain, which received twice as much help, was supposed to pay only 472 million dollars, that is, about 2% of the cost of military supplies. I must say that the United States greatly enriched in the war. By the end of the war, their national income exceeded the pre-war one and a half times. The total capacity of industrial production in comparison with 1939 increased by 40%. The losses of the Soviet Union in that war reached $ 485 billion (US military spending amounted to approximately $ 330 billion) http://www.world-war.ru/fakticheskaya-storona-pomoshhi-po-lend-lizu/
          2. skeptic
            skeptic 2 May 2013 18: 22
            +4
            Quote: Basil-71
            The fact of the matter is that they belittle and falsify history. The youth must remember the contribution to the victory of the allies.


            Judging by your photo of your idols - the Vlasovites, published above with pathos, but then deleted, the concept for us, for you, about history and its falsification is different. Therefore, no matter how you dress up, a handful of traitors from the ROA will never become for Russia, its liberators - by definition. And an attempt to belittle the VICTORY DAY to the level of a domestic holiday, trying to blabber its true essence, once again shows that the enemy is not asleep. Well, the allies, almost until almost the defeat of Germany, continued to supply raw materials and organized a cover for Nazi criminals. After our VICTORY. It is, of course, nothing personal - just business. But the residue remains, especially when looking at the post-war period.
          3. lewerlin53rus
            lewerlin53rus 2 May 2013 22: 03
            +2
            Quote: Basil-71
            The fact of the matter is that they belittle and falsify history

            Yes, there is nowhere less to go. And as for falsification, then whose cow would bellow ...
          4. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka 2 May 2013 22: 40
            +3
            Quote: Basil-71
            no one belittles fascism

            The fact of the matter is that they belittle and falsify history. The youth must remember the contribution to the victory of the allies.

            The contribution is a part of the whole. Part of the whole can be different. 1/10000000 XNUMX XNUMX for example, also a part. We are gay here, we do not falsify history, and we do not let you do it.
      6. Chavy
        Chavy 2 May 2013 21: 18
        0
        Israeli troll go eat falafel
      7. RUS-36
        RUS-36 2 May 2013 21: 21
        +3
        Allies, they waited until the winner side was determined to join it and collect the LAVRA FUCKING, so they did ... USA, ENGLAND, etc. .. political prostitutes, and at the same time the USA traded with Germany necessary for waging war and sold everything to us for gold, it’s more profitable both here and there .... your allies
        1. Matsamordy
          Matsamordy 2 May 2013 21: 23
          -5
          But the Americans won.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 2 May 2013 21: 30
            +6
            Quote: Matsamordy
            But the Americans won.


            Listen, you (do not pull the pronoun with a capital letter) Americanophile. Go to the American site and make a public relations there. The forum was wrong. laughing
            1. Matsamordy
              Matsamordy 2 May 2013 21: 31
              -2
              No, I was not mistaken.
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 2 May 2013 21: 34
                +3
                Quote: Matsamordy
                No, I was not mistaken.


                if you’re not mistaken, then you don’t need to drive the blizzard here bully
      8. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka 2 May 2013 21: 50
        +4
        Well, they’ve heard about the heroic allies! Even today they are heroic all over the world. Turning Dresden into a fiery tornado is not a tricky thing, but to send a crashed plane into an enemy convoy doesn’t hear about such exploits. Or to prevent a surrender, throw a grenade under your feet and somehow it didn’t happen .. ..No, dear, your amers do not pull us to butt. Remember, if you happen to be out of the ordinary, it will be the same as in the Second World War. Do not think with your owners that you have built everyone here. Nooooo, honey! We’ll break like a Tuzik heating pad ...
      9. mansur
        mansur 2 May 2013 23: 33
        +5
        Quote: Basil-71
        No, of course, Novodvorsk is not needed there. But let the allies also take part. Together they fought with fascism. Will they be at the parade this year? Who knows?

        Go to your friends and take part in beloved gay parades there
        you will be just right
        1. smile
          smile 3 May 2013 02: 53
          +3
          mansur
          Oh eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ..... apparently, when Europe is completely cut off, you will have to go there not in tanks, but in ambulances ...... I'm afraid, however, only napalm will help ...
  • smile
    smile 2 May 2013 16: 31
    14
    Vasily-7
    And you, my stepbrother, were not told that the pragmatic people of the West so beloved by you, allocating money for something, necessarily expect benefits? They (I repeat, they are the ones, not us) hold the whole history as enemies, regardless of our political system, therefore, even you, a genius, should understand when they will give us money and for what ... and you are tolerant show it better by reading their press by May 8 ... here we are not there at all ... confess, you don't know what they write about our participation in the War? After all, if you knew about the views of their propaganda machine and continued to write what you write, then you would have to move from the category of fools to the category of scoundrels .... in general, where can you feel more at ease?
    1. Vasily-71
      Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 34
      30 th
      Why do you deny the role of the United States and Britain in World War II? Lend-Lease stew, tanks, aircraft in huge volumes - isn't that help? And the opening of the second front? And the destruction of Germany's industrial potential? And the destruction of Ploiesti? And the raids on Hungary? Is this not enough?
      1. smile
        smile 2 May 2013 17: 00
        +8
        Vasily-71
        And we do not deny anything! We deny the most vile position of the Anglo-Saxon propaganda, which is currently driving a blatant lie about that into the empty heads of its layman. that they defeated fascism, and we somehow ... were nearby, and nothing better than the Germans (in every possible way hiding the simple fact that they themselves created fascism) ... and oil and stew through Sweden, Switzerland (by the way, which also produced first-class weapons for Germany - yes, and Erlikons and Akht koma Akht were mainly produced not in Germany) to Germany and other fascist countries like Finland from the United States came for amounts not much less than Lend-Liiz ... And other countries ... for example, on the Canary Islands, it was necessary to build refineries to process American oil ... what, did someone touch these islands? And why - after all, there was no one to defend and block them from the sea very simply, given the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon Navy? well, etc ... read the American Hayem - "Trade with the enemy" - you won't be ashamed, but at least you will be ashamed to breach here ...
        1. Vasily-71
          Vasily-71 2 May 2013 17: 06
          30 th
          Once again for the stupid:
          During the war, the USSR received from the allies for lend-lease assistance 18 (according to other sources, 700) aircraft, including fighters "Airacobra", "Kitty Hauk", "Tomahawk", "Hurricane", medium bombers B-22 , A-200 "Boston", transport C-25, 20 tanks and self-propelled units, 47 thousand kilometers of telephone wire, 12 million telephones; 200 million pairs of boots, more than 100 thousand tons of leather for sewing shoes, 2,5 thousand meters of wool , 15 thousand tons of stewed meat, 50 thousand tons of fat, 54 thousand tons of cow oil, 250 thousand tons of sugar, 300 steam locomotives, 65 cisterns on wheels, 700 electric diesel locomotives, about a thousand self-unloading cars, 1860 thousand railway platforms. and to the rear they delivered 100 thousand tons of explosives, almost 70 million tons of oil products, and another 10 million tons of special steel for armor, 344 thousand tons of copper and bronze, 2 thousand tons of aluminum from the allies. was to build 2,5 thousand isters There are almost as many thugs and bombers as our aircraft factories produced during the entire war ”(Lebedev I.P. 400) Aviation Lend-Lease // Military History Journal. 250. No. 100. S. 1-1991; 2) Once again about Lend-Lease // USA: Economy. Politics. Ideology. 27. No. 29. S. 2-1990).
          1. Marat
            Marat 2 May 2013 17: 16
            10
            Planes and other weapons are, of course, all nice. Just tell me, who fought with these weapons and beat the enemy?
          2. domokl
            domokl 2 May 2013 17: 40
            +6
            Quote: Basil-71
            During the war, the USSR received from the Allies to help in Lend-Lease
            Does anyone here deny Lend-Lease? Nobody ... But to fight and supply (by the way for money) is completely different. For some reason I do not feel like fighting in Syria, although help from our country goes there ...
          3. svp67
            svp67 2 May 2013 17: 42
            +7
            Quote: Basil-71
            Once again for the stupid:


            Once again for the "stupid" - we BOUGHT this weapon from them
            1. redwar6
              redwar6 2 May 2013 21: 23
              0
              And they paid in full for it.
          4. tomket
            tomket 2 May 2013 17: 48
            +8
            Once again I will repeat to the silly one, "Airacobra" "Kittyhock" and other rubbish in the West were used only on secondary fronts and were considered "of limited use", throw off the statistics on deliveries to the USSR of really first-class equipment - p-51 d, tempest, spitfires of the last series, typhoons, b-17 and b-24, mosquito, shooting star and meteor, lancaster and hornet, corsair and hellcat, and all these aircraft were built in gigantic numbers and fought on them all the way to rhodesia, but for some reason they were not supplied to the USSR ? not because the allies were mean ?????
            1. skeptic
              skeptic 2 May 2013 18: 34
              +2
              Quote: tomket
              But all these aircraft were built in gigantic numbers and fought on them all the way up to Rhodesia, but for some reason they were not supplied to the USSR? not because the allies were vile ?????


              Most likely - this is a business with many of its own. "BUT THIS IS THE SAME, ONLY FOR THE GOOD OF THE USSR".
          5. tixon444
            tixon444 2 May 2013 18: 04
            +5
            Victory Day is, first of all, the Day of Remembrance of the MILLIONS who died in this war ... This is a reminder to all of us on behalf of these millions of that terrible war, so that the horror that our long-suffering people endured does not repeat itself. And how many dead lives were paid by us for 1 "kitty-hawk", "tomahawk", "harricane", did you try to calculate?
          6. smile
            smile 2 May 2013 19: 07
            +5
            Vasily-71
            Vassenka, give at the same time the figures of the reverse lend-lease and read Hayem's book "Trade with the Enemy" ... and remember that it is the bad guys from the gang of Hitler's heirs who belittle our decisive contribution to the Victory ... and we do ... in response ... . Generally, it's funny to hear reproaches of unreasonableness from a person with a certificate ... although, judging by your texts, you are not hydrocephalus, as it may seem ... you are an arrogant, cynical liar ... congratulations ... by the way, I hope you know. that people like you are despised both in the west and in the east ... and people like us are respected, although they do not like ... but you can deal with us, and traitors are never considered ... you are no exception ... in principle , you do not mind ...
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 2 May 2013 20: 06
              +6
              Quote: smile
              read Hayem's book "Trade with the Enemy"
              Good book, and the title is correct, to arrange parades with the allies in time, maybe also with the Stealth flight? - "The United States begins to modernize tactical nuclear weapons (TNW), including those stationed in Europe. In the new budget, $ 11 billion has been allocated for these purposes. Thus, the Obama administration is trying to put pressure on Moscow, which for a long time did not agree to negotiations on nuclear weapons, demanding a preliminary withdrawal of US nuclear forces from Europe. Washington makes it clear that it will not do it. The Pentagon plans to upgrade its tactical nuclear weapons (TNW) to extend their service life, as well as improve accuracy and reliability. Referring to Hans Christensen, an expert at the Federation of American Scientists, the British newspaper Guardian reports that this is primarily about 200 tactical B-61 nuclear bombs deployed in Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Turkey. A “life extension” program will be applied to them, which will cost $ 10 billion in accordance with the new budget (designed for several years). In addition, the bombs will be adapted for F-35 fighter bombers built using stealth technology ( stealthy for radars). Another $ 1 billion has been allocated for this. The upgraded weapons will be sent to Europe in 2019 or 2020. Experts have already called Barack Obama's decision a "180-degree nuclear turn." “This will be a significant upgrade for US nuclear capabilities in Europe,” Christensen said. "This is in direct conflict with Obama's 2010 promises that he would not deploy new weapons." The expert continued: “What will return to Europe (after modernization - NG) will be a guided nuclear bomb. And if it is also combined with the F-35 fighter, which has stealth characteristics, it will expand the number of targets that can be threatened from Europe, since with a more accurate hit, a lower power charge can be used. This is very important as less radioactive fallout is produced. This is very worrying for many people, as it makes nuclear weapons more convenient to use / The political side of the matter is closely linked to the German question, Fenenko emphasized. Since the end of 2009, the situation around tactical nuclear weapons in Germany has deteriorated sharply, the Germans began to demand its withdrawal. In 2010, at the NATO summit in Tallinn, the Americans imposed the “Tallinn formula” on the Germans, according to which no NATO country can single-handedly resolve the issue of withdrawing American TNW. The current initiative is a possible continuation of NATO's “Tallinn formula”. Nuclear weapons remain; they not only lie, but are also being modernized, and defense can only be general. There should be no German separatism on the nuclear issue. The American nuclear presence in Germany remains. It is possible that the Americans are not only drawing us into a new arms race in Europe, but also showing us that they are doing this in response to the refusal of negotiations on nuclear weapons, the expert suggested. On the other hand, the Americans provoke us to take retaliatory steps on tactical nuclear weapons, and this will aggravate the contradictions between Russia and the EU countries. If Russia takes such steps, then this will not affect primarily the United States, but Europe, and Washington will present what is happening as an argument to maintain the American presence. We can be seen in the eyes of Europe as the main adversary creating problems. http://alternathistory.org.ua/pentagon-pristupaet-k-modernizatsii-takticheskogo-
              yadernogo-oruzhiya
          7. forvard46
            forvard46 2 May 2013 20: 01
            +3
            Judging by your opinion, you are a young, narrow-minded, uneducated, anti-patriot with a cleared brain. You do not belong here. Go away!
          8. igor.borov775
            igor.borov775 2 May 2013 20: 10
            +2
            Yes, indeed a woodpecker, And look carefully where the lion's share of this aid went; as you write, look poorly, But it went in an ever increasing volume not only to the front
          9. redwar6
            redwar6 2 May 2013 21: 24
            +2
            Help is free, and I remind you that they took money from us for this, and they were not very small.
          10. patrianostra
            patrianostra 2 May 2013 23: 12
            +3
            rezunoid calm down tired crying
          11. smile
            smile 3 May 2013 03: 16
            +2
            Vasiliy-
            yeah, I forgot to tell you, the mafia shops and the hookahs were mostly worse than our donkeys of the last releases ... they were delivered to us as they were removed from service for unsuitability. it was more expensive to throw out, a recycling fee ... and here we are ... we also pay money ..... only we remember that ... surprise us better with the story of how they accidentally delivered us aircobras ... they delivered to us. like bad ones .. who, contrary to their forecasts, flew at heights, where they really fought for air superiority ... where they fought. and did not throw off tons of iron on the heads of the calamari residents
            but don't talk about tosaghawks and harrikeins ... ... our first-class pilots. in a fight with a more technically armed enemy, they were buried on them more often. than on donkeys ...
      2. dddym
        dddym 2 May 2013 17: 08
        +7
        you tell the inhabitants of Dresden. The barbaric raids of the Allies not only did not bring the end of the war closer, but also made this resistance more fierce. At the same time, the damage caused by the carpet bombings was mostly not about factories but civil buildings! And it is a fact!
      3. Odissey
        Odissey 2 May 2013 17: 11
        +8
        And the destruction of Ploiesti?

        "For a Soviet officer to imagine that the Romanian oil fields, which supplied the entire German army, actually belonged to American and British owners, was simply unthinkable ... When American and British bombers bombed the oil fields in Ploiesti, they did not understand whose property The arriving Russian troops also needed gasoline, and the oil industry of the USSR destroyed by the Nazis needed oil equipment - part of which the Soviet units seized as reparations from the Romanians. With great amazement, Vyshinsky listened to the American Charge d'Affaires George Kennan: “I said that expected the return of this property in its previous state and immediately, as soon as the Soviet military authorities in Romania were instructed on the private property of American citizens and American companies.In conclusion, I told him that this matter was of the most important importance ... I expressed my sincere personal hope that not only private property of Americans, but in general regarding US-Russian cooperation in the former satellite countries. "The Soviet leadership - at a high and at a low level - was in a kind of shock."
        (c) Anatoly Utkin "World Cold War"

        No, nobody denies the help of America and England. Lend-lease, the opening of the Second Front, and political support are remembered with respect. Unfortunately, such excesses are still remembered, and the fact that the Second Front was promised to open back in 1941, and was opened only in 1944.
        And we repaid our debt to the West in full in 1945, when we defeated the million-strong Japanese group in Manchuria.
        So the parade is only ours. America and England can only be guests and, very rarely, secondary participants.
      4. Tartary
        Tartary 2 May 2013 17: 23
        +4
        Quote: Basil-71
        Why do you deny the role of the United States and Britain in World War II? Lend-Lease stew, tanks, aircraft in huge volumes - isn't that help? And the opening of the second front? And the destruction of Germany's industrial potential? And the destruction of Ploiesti? And the raids on Hungary? Is this not enough?

        Quote: Basil-71
        Or take the supply of cars. After all, we received, as far as I remember, taking into account losses in the way of about 400 thousand first-class cars of the time, such as Studebaker, Ford, passenger Willis and amphibians. Our entire army was actually on wheels and what wheels! As a result, its maneuverability increased and the pace of advance significantly increased.
        Yes ... ”Mikoyan said thoughtfully. - Without Lend-Lease, we would probably have fought for another year and a half.
        - G. Kumanev “Stalin's People's Commissars Speak,” p. 70— Smolensk: Rusich, 2005

        Well, you yourself are answering correctly - Mikoyan gives a year and a half ...
        Do you really think that you would come back from the floor of the road ?????????????
        But they would have finished it off without the help of the future, and even then the real "FRIENDS" - the mice of the Anglo-Saxon politicians ... Of course, the people of these countries, according to the Russian mentality, seem to have nothing to do with it ...
        And then only - it seems ...
      5. roaming
        roaming 2 May 2013 18: 55
        +3
        so specifically with the Second Front they pulled all the stew for our gold to us to sip
      6. patrianostra
        patrianostra 2 May 2013 23: 12
        +6
        Dear sasch and limes are those allies of the bombing, say this when the Germans buried themselves underground and limes with carpet bombings equaled residential areas and industrial facilities not one bomb fell because how can you bomb business partners
  • roaming
    roaming 2 May 2013 18: 48
    +2
    so offer your kim owners, you will wait for financing as the USSR was waiting for the opening of the Second Front
    1. COBOK
      COBOK 2 May 2013 19: 51
      +4
      I don't even know where to put my five kopecks (well, not your own, so - a reference).

      I read here this morning, Comrade Baryatinsky - such an amusing little book about fascist German tanks, I saw the statistics of the presence of German tanks on the fronts: there were twice as many tanks on the eastern tanks as they fought against the ovs and other democrats.

      Based on this, you can already think about whom Hitler was afraid of and whom he considered a real threat.

      Not the ultimate truth, but there is a reason to think and study: having pretty much received in the Ardennes (emnip) the Demokrats howled: "Help us wild barbarians from the steppes, until the" Hans "killed us" and the barbaric hordes had to go on the offensive unprepared (Balaton I don't seem to remember now - there is no book at hand). They helped out, lost their own much more than they could ...
  • Tverichanka
    Tverichanka 2 May 2013 21: 43
    +2
    Quote: Basil-71
    USA, from France, from Britain -

    Here are the pipes! This is OUR Victory !!!! Do you fucking OUR !!! And you let me blow the cold from here for now ... Well, how do you want to spit in your face ...
  • denis90
    denis90 2 May 2013 15: 53
    22
    Here. They hate the most patriotic holiday. What kind of patriots they are after that. I think it would be nice to introduce a bill to punish such statements. He cannot get home, stupid person.
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 2 May 2013 16: 07
      19
      Quote: denis90
      I think it would be good to introduce a bill to punish such statements

      Say in Israel: "There was no Holocaust!" you will see what will happen ... You will have to spend the night in prison. Or say the same, anywhere in the world - PUBLIC. And here you can ... I would have introduced criminal liability for such pearls. For defaming history. Etc.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 2 May 2013 16: 46
      +9
      Quote: denis90
      They hate the most patriotic holiday.

      Pay attention to how the liberal democrats are playing in one tune together with the unfinished fascists and traitors! They don't need this parade. Moreover, hateful! They grieve about the unfulfilled dream of joining European values ​​back in the 40s! And they poison the youth, who already thinks that "if we surrendered to the Germans, we would already live like in Europe." And they do not even think that if it were not for OUR VICTORY, they most likely would not have been born.
      1. BIGLESHIY
        BIGLESHIY 2 May 2013 17: 06
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: denis90
        They hate the most patriotic holiday.

        Pay attention to how the Liberal Democrats are playing in one tune together with the unfinished Nazis and traitors!

        And this duda between the legs of the gay people
    3. Ribwort
      Ribwort 2 May 2013 17: 03
      +2
      Quote: denis90
      I think it would be good to introduce a bill on punishment for such statements.

      You say that sho ... But in the Lviv region, Ivano-Frankivsk region, in Galicia on May 9, at the legislative level, they want to call the Day of Mourning and Sorrow. What is it like?
      1. Marat
        Marat 2 May 2013 17: 25
        +6
        Do not take it to heart, although it is clear that this is not easy ... In fact, the overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian people perceive this holiday very sacred. OUR common holiday !!!!!!!!
        1. domokl
          domokl 2 May 2013 17: 45
          +4
          Quote: Marat
          .In fact, the vast majority of the Ukrainian people perceive this holiday very sacredly. OUR common holiday !!!!!!!!
          But the renaming itself already suggests that this part is no longer overwhelming, but simply a part ... It's a shame for the Ukrainians, who with their own hands deprive themselves of the proud title of Winners ...
  • horoh
    horoh 2 May 2013 15: 54
    18
    Victory Day is a HOLY HOLIDAY for all of us !!!!! Ghouls and pop scum of the zapodny sample do not need to touch it, it will be bad. All with the coming MAY 9 !!!!
  • Kaa
    Kaa 2 May 2013 15: 55
    20
    Yes, it is scary for them and their owners and brothers in the West to look at this, they are not stupid people, they understand that Russia is concentrating, and how it ALWAYS ended - "They remember Vienna, remember the Alps and the Danube ..." Remember Berlin and Paris, Budapest and Prague, remembers Poland, Italy, Romania, and many more. Here is the cold between their shoulder blades, as before a pogrom, with each new parade, and so they whine in anguish ... good
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 2 May 2013 18: 35
      +5
      Quote: Kaa
      "They remember Vienna, they remember the Alps and the Danube ...."
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 6 May 2013 11: 35
      0
      Lord, there are still people who simply and clearly said
  • 101
    101 2 May 2013 16: 01
    10
    Maybe it’s hard for someone to go by bus for 50 minutes. But in our city, it’s not a burden for the children and grandchildren of the winners to walk through the whole city on foot, greeting and congratulating everyone on the holiday in the festive columns. And nothing that goes for more than one hour and more than one km because this is our national holiday and no one will convince us that this is not so Sorry I didn’t bother to take a photo when neither the beginning nor the end of these columns can be seen Yes, I think everyone sees it in their own city and only scum can lie that we did not deserve this day holiday MAY 9
  • Atlon
    Atlon 2 May 2013 16: 01
    18
    Glory to our veterans!
    I would have these .... from quotes ... In general, it's time to clean Moscow ... Like the Augean stables, rolled up their sleeves! Where did it all come from ... Obviously not from the womb. For these are not the words of people, but some kind of scum.
    1. smile
      smile 2 May 2013 16: 40
      +8
      Atlon
      Remember how those stables were cleaned? They’ll wait until the river that has changed their course takes them to ... dogs, to the sump, where they belong ... and it didn’t come out of the womb ... this is the product of genetic engineering ... like Aliens from a famous film, which are born, their mother is decreasing ... these worthless Frankensteins do not even understand (nothing) that they are not intended for anything else - they brought them out exclusively to kill their Motherland, and then they themselves will die, having developed a resource in two weeks, like mosquitoes on swamp ...
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 2 May 2013 16: 41
      +4
      Quote: Atlon
      Clearly not from the womb
      Of course! How is it, in tolerastic Europe, Parent # 1 and Parent # 2? The homophile, of course, where and what can get out ...
  • Dimitr
    Dimitr 2 May 2013 16: 01
    11
    I think you should not react to various shit-eaters, incomprehensible actors, editors and just authors of quotes, they are exactly waiting for such a PR! Adequate and normal Russians know what this holiday is and what a parade is for! And they need other parades, fortunately they are not very popular in our God-saved country! As the saying goes: "The pug barks, and the elephant walks!"
    1. tomket
      tomket 2 May 2013 16: 06
      11
      I believe that the country has ripened the historical need for a repetition of 37 of the year. Whoever doesn’t get 10 ball corks - a welcom to the village !!!! or use the metro. Damn, how many times I say to myself in Moscow, too, people, but no, you read and understand the cattle there!
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 2 May 2013 16: 10
        +3
        Quote: tomket
        but no, you read and understand the cattle there!

        I agree.
      2. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 2 May 2013 16: 11
        +4
        I am not a cattle, it is NOT necessary to judge everyone by the same yardstick.
        1. tomket
          tomket 2 May 2013 16: 17
          +1
          if he didn’t express himself in the spirit of “enough d .... for Victory,” I agree, not cattle. If you stood in a traffic jam and thought, "ubl ,,, ki with their Parade have forgotten about people, so people do not live in Moscow alone, and now they think not about 10 million, but about 140, so you can be patient.
      3. Kaa
        Kaa 2 May 2013 16: 22
        12
        Quote: tomket
        in the country there is a historical need to repeat 37 years

        Nnu, it’s better, of course, without fanaticism, they deprived someone of their citizenship, suffrage, respectively, which is nevertheless more humane — sending to Europe with confiscation is quite a soft and adequate measure, it seems to me ...
    2. v53993
      v53993 2 May 2013 16: 09
      +8
      I think you should not respond to different shit-eaters, obscure actors, editors and just authors of quotes


      No, it's even worth reacting, otherwise we will soon suffocate from their stench. The Russian people should breathe clean air in their homeland.
      1. DPN
        DPN 2 May 2013 17: 02
        -9
        There is no such person in Russia, but only two varnishers, so we will endure the stench for a long time, until 2018.
        1. DPN
          DPN 3 May 2013 06: 31
          -3
          I would not want to off topic, but there were a lot of minuses, the GDP doesn’t fail when Serdyukov doesn’t give up, let alone Chubais, the agreement with the EBN seems to be in this, it’s not for nothing that the redhead always gets billions for his projects.
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 2 May 2013 17: 43
        +4
        It is necessary to "clean" Russia from all these representatives of the 5th column. Remove from all government bodies, from the media and try for treason and treason to the Motherland and Russia. Without this, Russia cannot be saved, the 5th column will destroy the state to the joy and mercy of the USA-West, as they destroyed the USSR before.
    3. vot-te-raz
      vot-te-raz 2 May 2013 16: 19
      0
      Well, (of course not really) if they expect PR, it is much worse if they already think so.
    4. bazilio
      bazilio 2 May 2013 16: 42
      +3
      Quote: Dimitr
      Dekvatnye and normal Russians know what this holiday is and what a parade is for!

      Not only Russians, all peoples of the former Soviet Union know what kind of holiday it is.
    5. smile
      smile 2 May 2013 16: 43
      +2
      Dimit
      No need to respond to them, and in the most active way - otherwise they multiply like those who can do everything in Europe now ... they cannot reproduce onizh, and yet, there are more and more of them .... it’s contagious .. .. if left untreated, you can start the disease ...
    6. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 2 May 2013 23: 07
      +3
      Quote: Dimitr
      may not be responsive

      No, no, you are wrong! It is imperative to react. By our reaction, we tell them that the people will not allow crap on Victory. It’s not for nothing that they say silence is a sign of agreement. I will never agree with them, so I WILL react even if I’m alone (which, of course, cannot be by definition). We are many. We will extinguish these bastards at least on the sites, so that the service does not seem like honey to them ... And walking on mordas is generally a dream!
  • alex13-61
    alex13-61 2 May 2013 16: 03
    +8
    Why? !!! The Bagramovs, Mooji ... have the right to question the importance of VICTORY DAY? !!!!
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 2 May 2013 21: 55
      +2
      Quote: alex13-61
      Why? !!! The Bagramovs, Mooji ... have the right to question the importance of VICTORY DAY? !!!!


      Modern bohemia is a fairly narrow circle of people, narrow in the sense that the number of representatives of bohemia is a completely insignificant percentage of the population who declares their sincere involvement in the art world. However, despite such high-profile statements, the declared art of verification turns out to be, at best, very mediocre examples of contemporary mass and even avant-garde art, and even something worse (for sure, a “free artist” who exhibited figures from his own feces as "Works of art", also considered himself to be bohemian).
      Bohemia is precisely that modern gypsyism, that is, in fact, a beautiful word to designate the category of people parasitizing on those strata of the population that are least endowed with artistic taste
      This is from replies to mail.ru
      I don’t know how they have artistic taste, that they are gifted with brainlessness, that's for sure.
  • Nevyatoy
    Nevyatoy 2 May 2013 16: 05
    14
    Quote: Basil-71
    Or I suggest this: hold a parade for everyone together. That is, financing is joint - from the United States, from France, from Britain - and the parade, respectively, is also joint of all the armies of the coalition. On the Red Square. In my opinion, a suitable option.

    And you share your wife with the Americans, the French, and the British. What's a shame ...? Not disingenuous ....? My great-grandfather died near Rzhev (Rzhevo-Sychevskaya operation), my grandfathers reached Berlin. I did not participate in this, but this is the victory of my ancestors and only them, and therefore my victory. To ask for money from those who survived through the blood of our grandfathers is a crime. I'll give the last crumb, but there should be a parade. And this is Our parade !!! I am against such compromises. Our ancestors won the war. And they (the West), incidentally, took gold from us for lendliz.
    1. Vasily-71
      Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 09
      28 th
      My wife has nothing to do with it. The victory is common. I see nothing wrong with their participation.
      1. smile
        smile 2 May 2013 16: 45
        +7
        Vasily-71
        Yes, and you yourself, apparently - nothing to do with ... you'd better talk to the second veteran and find out his opinion, and then litter the airwaves with your rotten thoughts ...
        1. Vasily-71
          Vasily-71 2 May 2013 16: 51
          20 th
          Do you have complexes?
          1. sniper
            sniper 2 May 2013 17: 05
            +8
            Vasily-71 But you are a troll ... And a particularly cynical troll, no need to mock the Saints ... Victory Day is a great holiday for our people, and a day of mourning for our enemies, are you one of them ???
            1. MG42
              MG42 2 May 2013 17: 46
              +8
              Quote: sniper
              But you are a troll ... and a particularly cynical troll

              Group: Visitors
              Date Visited: 2 May 2013 17:27
              Date of registration: 2 May 2013 10:57
              And what's not clear >>> Vasily-71 ephemeral = came in and shit and left.
              1. sniper
                sniper 2 May 2013 18: 00
                +3
                Quote: MG42
                came in and shit and left.

                some kind of ... it is necessary to strangle such !!!
              2. Tartary
                Tartary 2 May 2013 18: 04
                +5
                Quote: MG42
                Group: Visitors
                Date of visit: May 2 2013 17: 27
                Registration Date: 2 May 2013 10: 57
                And what's not clear >>> Vasily-71 ephemeral = came in and shit and left.

                If the guy got through, he went to teach history.
                Quote: sniper
                some kind of ... it is necessary to strangle such !!!

                Yes, let him do his lessons diligently - tomorrow at school.
                1. COBOK
                  COBOK 2 May 2013 19: 56
                  +3
                  there are quite a few of these - disposable. You read a frank spit, look at a profile - it is ...
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 2 May 2013 22: 36
                    +3
                    Quote: COBOK
                    there are many of these - disposable. You read the frank spit, you look at the profile - it is

                    The main thing = that the overwhelming majority reacts adequately, practically no one gave him a "+" = this means that the Russian society is healthy in moral terms, after going to Ukrainian. forum you plunge into a completely different atmosphere, the "orange" and "blue" are ready to tear each other to shreds virtually without stint in expressions ...
              3. wax
                wax 2 May 2013 21: 16
                +2
                And already three skulls, and not appeased. They say about such people: "Piss in the eyes - everything is God's dew."
                1. COBOK
                  COBOK 2 May 2013 22: 48
                  +2
                  so purely FSUs ... on skulls and titles. These are professional trolls, possibly paid ones, maybe just ideological Pokemon.

                  And on the subject of Lend-Lease: thanks, of course, but without people who would drive tanks, planes, eat canned meat, finally? The help was there and it was timely and necessary, without it it would be more difficult. However, this is a victory of the RUSSIAN PEOPLE and there is no need to try to take it away, without the Russians there would not have been El-Alamein, there would have been no landing in Normandy (there would be no where to land the "sea lion" was canceled for a reason). Yes, and the USSR and Russia paid for the lend-lease (well, at least somehow, but not as a gift and not from the realization of the rightness of the Soviet Union's struggle against fascism ...)
                  So, "thanks", but no more.
              4. Tverichanka
                Tverichanka 2 May 2013 23: 21
                +2
                And now all the shortcomings from non-profit organizations in different forums have settled. The tactics are simple, like a rake, they are registered in a bunch, each heel has nicknames, post, plus each other and extinguish the rest. As a result, it turns out that the opinion of the majority on the branch is their opinion, the rest are in Moreover, on the avatars, sickles, hammers, Soviet flags, portraits of Stalin, in short everything that people value ... Be careful, friends! Open profiles more often if you notice provocative comments, a lot of them appeared from the first decade of April.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 2 May 2013 18: 22
            +3
            Quote: Basil-71
            Do you have complexes?

            Russia has available STRATEGIC APPOINTMENT COMPLEXES AND AIR DEFENSE COMPLEXES and the rest, moral and psychological, let’s leave the enemies.
          3. smile
            smile 2 May 2013 19: 19
            +3
            Vasily-71
            Yes - I can’t be silent when I hear people like you ... because I am ashamed. when I see compatriots like you ... fortunately, we have no more such than pederasts ... and your name is not Fedya, huh? and then in life, you, as far as I can see, from these .... maybe you will look for complexes at home ... they say, it’s useful to be treated ...
      2. WW3
        WW3 2 May 2013 19: 13
        +6
        Quote: Basil-71
        The victory is common. I see nothing wrong with their participation.

        Yes, but only these allys were waiting for the opening of the second front, and when there was already a clear turning point in the war in favor of the USSR, they were afraid that all of Europe might be under the influence of the Union and started a military campaign in Europe, I think that they would have coped without them, but that's what happened immediately after the war, especially in Berlin, the confrontation, and where the allied spirit vanished. I had to build the Berlin Wall and the "Iron Curtain" from them.
      3. patrianostra
        patrianostra 2 May 2013 23: 15
        +1
        this is from a series with the beginning we will eat your fat and then each his own lol
      4. partisanche
        partisanche 3 May 2013 00: 28
        0
        Do you have a wife in general, or can you indulge in the tail?
    2. bondanty
      bondanty 2 May 2013 16: 14
      16
      strongly agree!
      "When you have British allies, enemies are no longer needed!"
  • Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 2 May 2013 16: 05
    +7
    And remember the video on the "star", where the grandmother explains to her granddaughter that they did not fight for anyone, but fought simply because they fought, and so that they, i.e. children, do not remember the war. This is complete insanity. always remember! .And the creatures that are against, well, very narrow-minded people, do not pay attention.
  • Crawl
    Crawl 2 May 2013 16: 06
    +7
    "Actor Vladimir Bagramov"

    actorishko, dragging. I didn’t have time somewhere, now barks, offended. not worth paying attention.

    Happy Victory Day!
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  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 2 May 2013 16: 08
    11
    Who interferes with our parades, then for you there are vast expanses of Siberia. There only bears traffic jams after hibernation!
    1. Tartary
      Tartary 2 May 2013 16: 20
      +4
      Quote: a.hamster55
      Who interferes with our parades, then for you there are vast expanses of Siberia. There only bears traffic jams after hibernation!

      Ugagaga ... 5 points, fellow countryman !!!!!!!!!! One here, the other 10 points in under the avatar in the account ...
  • korm-yurii
    korm-yurii 2 May 2013 16: 08
    +7
    Yes, there will be parades! Only in this way will young people now understand what our ancestors did.
    1. smile
      smile 2 May 2013 16: 48
      +5
      korm-yurii
      Who minus? !!!!!
      Is it really not clear that the Parade and the accompanying informational support are really important for the education of young people.
      Minus - I ask for Execution Ground .... please ... or is it Vassenka's miscarriage?
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 2 May 2013 18: 35
        +3
        Quote: smile
        Or is it Vassenka's miscarriage?

        Maybe a sympathizer for Vassenka?
        Quote: smile
        Minus - I ask for Execution Ground

        With your petroleum jelly!
        Quote: smile
        Who minus? !!!!!

        We will answer minus with righteous pluses!
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 2 May 2013 16: 08
    +7
    Our fathers and grandfathers did not spare their lives to make this Day come, and various scum complains about the inconvenience. Closely in Moscow? So Siberia is almost empty ... But no, in Siberia a penny is obtained by honest labor, and in Moscow it is much easier to joke around in muddy water.
  • cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 2 May 2013 16: 08
    +7
    Our ancestors proved their right to life, destroyed the army, which was considered invincible and in a short time crushed the whole of Europe.
    May 9 is not a day of victory, but a day on which Russia declares to the whole world: we have lived, we live and will live!
  • Explore
    Explore 2 May 2013 16: 09
    13
    The parade is not held for veterans, although they are the main guests.
    The parade is held primarily in order to show its people that the tragedies of 70 years ago should not be repeated, and we have something to respond to the treacherous aggressors.
    Also, a military parade is a show of strength, if you will. A demonstration whose purpose is to cool the ardor of foreign hawks.
    And finally, thirdly, the goal of any military parade is to create a special atmosphere of patriotism and readiness for self-sacrifice, love and respect for our own armed forces ...
  • okean969
    okean969 2 May 2013 16: 10
    15
    And "Moskovsky Komsomolets" has long been asking to be closed. Rare scum.
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 2 May 2013 16: 32
      +2
      Quote: okean969
      to close it. Rare scum.

      So after all, they will turn the fact of closing their lousy newspaper into a pretentious stench that they say there is no freedom of speech in Russia. At least they changed the name, it is just a brand for them (an American word).
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 2 May 2013 16: 11
    +7
    May 9 is not just a holiday of our people, it is already a tradition.
    Our underdeveloped bohemia (fucking liberals) wants to deprive us of the MEMORY OF THE GREAT VICTORY over the strongest and bloody enemy of which HITLER'S GERMANY with its SATELITS from EUROPE was.
    FUCK they need to be inserted into one place so that they completely forget about any attempts to blot out the VICTORY OF OUR GRANDFATHER AND FATHERS.
  • alexdol
    alexdol 2 May 2013 16: 12
    +4
    Needless to say, I just want to congratulate normal people on our Great Holiday! To my words I will attach my poems dedicated to this Day: "Who will not be in paradise" http://stihi.ru/2009/04/16/3165
    "Monument for the Fallen" - http://stihi.ru/2009/04/16/3100 and "The Most Serene Dates" http://stihi.ru/2009/04/16/3039
    Once again, all with the upcoming HOLIDAY on May 9!
  • papas-57
    papas-57 2 May 2013 16: 15
    +8
    These motorists will get everyone. Dissatisfied with the rehearsal of the Parade, dissatisfied with the blocking of roads when passing by members of the car, unhappy with pedestrians Do you know how you got the pedestrians - crush them drunk at stops and crossings, turned yards and sidewalks into parking lots, turned most of the lawns into a desert. Shut up, got it with your whining
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 2 May 2013 16: 19
    +1
    I think this is just an attempt to promote itself through a scandal. Because if not, then these people are seriously ill ... all over their heads ...
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 2 May 2013 23: 33
      +2
      Quote: Landwarrior
      people are seriously ill.

      But I do not agree with you. They are not sick, no! They are ENEMIES! Real, real, vicious ENEMIES! Only this war is informational, but no less serious than hot, and maybe more serious. In a hot war, everything is clear, it is clear who the enemy is, where is and what to do with him. Determine who is your own, who is a stranger. Yes, and people personally do not know, not even their age .... Well, nothing, we will fight anyway, we are not fighting for grandmothers, but for the truth (see the film "Brother") the power is with us.
      1. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 7 May 2013 22: 38
        0
        I admire YOU madam and completely on your side
  • Tartary
    Tartary 2 May 2013 16: 23
    13
    Quote: "From work to the subway, the bus usually goes 10-15 minutes, tonight I drove 50 minutes."
    It's a pity there is no name who wrote this in the comments from the article ... This hack, if this lost 35-40 minute difference could be made to spend in real combat conditions, then he would have learned the real value of time, and at the same time the Victory Day ...

    Quote: “Only those who do not know history well can call this day a holiday.”
    And this I found out ... This is Svanidze - a ghoul.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2013 18: 15
      +1
      and you are nothing but a bloody gebny, in the way you wrapped my friend, a satrap unambiguously, a strangler of liberals, homosexuals and their sympathizers, shame on you, my friend.

      but in general it would be better if the authors of all these statements were voiced and also portraits would show, would create in the net, something like a board of shame.
      site administration think about the proposal
  • Odissey
    Odissey 2 May 2013 16: 31
    14
    Aydar Mudjabaev: “In our media, what is happening is called a rehearsal for the Victory Parade. And I would call it a deliberate murder of innocent people. Which is no better than the Holocaust, albeit on a smaller scale. This murder is just as deliberate and cold-blooded. Today's transport collapse is not limited to. The next execution dates are April 29, May 3 and 7. Get ready. And also on May 9 proper. To die on this day should probably be an honor. This is worse than fascism. "


    Remembered. Not mine, but definitely in the subject.

    "Old in a new way:
    For the Motherland! For Stalin! Attack! ”Shouted the young lieutenant.
    - Come on, - said Private Belolent, dropping his rifle. - Shoot, I won't go!
    The lieutenant jumped back into the trench in surprise. Private should have been finished, but the lieutenant had never shot deserters.
    - Why don't you come?
    - Here's another! Perdol somewhere, perish. For what?
    - How is that for? For the homeland! For families, for children.
    Private Belolentov spat.
    - For the children? Yes, my great-grandson in 2013, you know what he will say about me? That I am cannon fodder.
    The lieutenant turned around perplexedly. He did not expect this, and now counted on the support of other fighters.
    “The Belolentov case says,” said Sergeant Kudrin. - My granddaughter will write a column that I personally, - Kudrin counted something in his head, - raped about 238 German women.
    - Lucky you, - Private Chubais sighed enviously. - Mine will say that I was a stalinist. Strangler of nations.
    - And mine will say, - political instructor Gozman sighed, - that they would drink Bavarian.
    - yours ?! - the lieutenant was amazed.
    Gozman spread his hands.
    “Right, right,” the others said, “all Facebook will be fucked up because of the parade. Like, traffic jams are worse than in a gas chamber.
    Everyone again glanced at Gozman. He blushed.
    “So what you want,” said Belolentov, “and I will dump you.” Let them drink Bavarian. If born.
    Belolentov climbed out of the trench on the other side and strode to the rear. There were no detachments: they also dispersed, remembering that their great-grandchildren would call them executioners. The rest of the fighters also followed Belolentov. The young lieutenant tried to fulfill his military duty and destroy the vile deserters, but then he remembered that at the end of his life his son would write the monograph "Stalin is worse than Hitler."
    The road to Moscow was clear. "(C)

    PS It is somehow very sad to look at such processes in our country. But still, those who remember what Victory means for our people and why it is a "holiday with tears in their eyes" is still the majority, which means that Russia has a future.
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 2 May 2013 16: 33
    0
    They have a seasonal aggravation, but this is being treated and we will not rush, we must return a full-fledged person to society.
    1. Ivan
      Ivan 2 May 2013 20: 10
      +2
      Only a club heals such
  • bazilio
    bazilio 2 May 2013 16: 34
    +4
    "Actor Vladimir Bagramov: "Patriots", you are on fire with your parades. If you want to help the "great country" - lie down under the tanks. It will be an act. Exactly in the framework of this lawlessness, which once again is nothing but a savory spit in the face of thousands of tired people trying to get home from work. Burn in hell"
    The participants in that war endured so many hardships in order that the current generation could live and live freely. And is it somehow difficult for tired actresses to stand in traffic jams once a year? Here is such gratitude. And weakly to Bagramov to say these words in the face of a veteran?

    "Deputy editor-in-chief of Moskovsky Komsomolets" Aidar Mudzhabaev: "In our media, what is happening is called a rehearsal of the Victory Parade. And I would call it a deliberate murder of innocent people. Which is no better than the Holocaust, albeit on a smaller scale. This is a murder the same deliberate and cold-blooded .... This is worse than fascism. "

    Well, here the deputy chief is worried that his important ass in a traffic jam will sit. But for comparing preparations for the parade with fascism, for this, excuse me, you need to beat your face.

    "Quote:" Only those who know little about history can call this day a holiday. " such a comment could have been written by a subhuman who is absolutely unfamiliar with history.

    And lastly, the liberal jackal, if you are all so concerned about "democracy" then shut up, since for the parade on May 9 the majority of the people, and the will of the majority is the law.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 2 May 2013 17: 47
      +2
      It’s not clear what Bagramov is.
      Bagramov Vladimir Igorevich
      Writer, writer, poet.

      Born in Moscow on August 19, 1948.
      Father - Igor Goryunov Gavrilovich (ballet soloist), mother - Nadezhda Nikolaevna Bagramova. Vladimir Bagramov graduated from school as an extern, passing exams while already in the Army. Since 1976 he has been writing songs to his own verses and from that time on touring activities in the USSR.
      Graduated from the Gnessin State Academy of Music with a degree in musical comedy actor. In 1980, Vladimir Bagramov took part in the festival in Tynda on the BAM, after which he was deprived of concerts. From 1976 to 1980, Vladimir Bagramov played in the Altai Regional Theater of Musical Comedy, then at the Gorky Academic Russian Drama Theater in Tashkent from 1980 to 1996. After that, Vladimir Bagramov took up serious writing, wrote the novels Farewell to the Birds, Country of the Dead Birds, and released a collection of poems Barefoot on the Cloud, as well as 15 plays that are performed in Russian and foreign theaters. He also released two original discs "She-Wolf" and "Prospector", there are amateur recordings.
      From 2004 to 2008, he was the artistic director and director of the Tashkent State Theater of Musical Comedy.
      Honored Artist of Uzbekistan.
      He passed away on June 16, 2011 in Tashkent.

      It is unlikely that he is.
      1. Belogor
        Belogor 2 May 2013 18: 33
        +7
        This hoopoe
        Vladimir Bagramov
        He started at the Ilkhom Theater (Tashkent), with the legendary director Mark Weil.
        He studied at GITIS, at the courses of Valery Garkalin and Mikhail Mokeev.
        For 15 years of his conscious life, he managed to work as a scavenger, a dissector in a morgue, an ambulance attendant, an actor, a loader, a director, a producer, an administrator, a technical designer of the Art. Lebedev Studio ...
        When he became completely entangled in himself, he fled to a monastery, where he spent 9 months. Understood, found Teatr.doc.
      2. Ulysses
        Ulysses 2 May 2013 19: 22
        +2
        No, then another Bagramov, with two earrings in his left protruding ear.

        Profession: actor / actress
        model.
        qualification: professional
        http://www.topartist.ru/persona_a3478_f20934.html
        1. Belogor
          Belogor 2 May 2013 21: 43
          0
          exactly the one Here is the link you can verify this
          http://nnm.ru/blogs/garialdi/a-u-nih-vidite-li-parad/page20/
          This whole company is there.
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        3. aviamed90
          aviamed90 3 May 2013 21: 37
          0
          And is this bohemian? And what kind is it?
        4. Stalinets
          Stalinets 5 May 2013 03: 44
          0
          As for me, just sodomites. am
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 2 May 2013 16: 38
    15
    Actorishko Vladimir Bagramov, Deputy. the editor-in-chief of Moskovsky Komsomolets, Aidar Mudzhabayev, and others like them, the same petty people - against the Victory Day. There are such ... But there are few of them, believe me - because these scum of society have no future!
    ALL HAPPY VICTORY. AND ON THE RED SQUARE THE MAIN PARADISE TO BE! ...
    And those who are against, in a psychiatric hospital. The diagnosis there will put ...
  • saygon66
    saygon66 2 May 2013 16: 42
    17
    - People who do not mean anything in this life allow themselves to lift their paws on the sacred, for there is nothing more to become famous for! Here they are these p..zhi, meet, do not miss ...
    Bagram ...
    1. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq 2 May 2013 18: 06
      +7
      On the face it is written --- M R A Z b
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 3 May 2013 08: 30
        +5
        Quote: Heccrbq
        On the face it is written --- M R A Z b

        Scum glamorous, ordinary. It is found exclusively in megalopolises, mainly in Moscow. It feeds on banknotes. Propagated by budding. Akin to mold.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 May 2013 18: 11
      +1
      ento hkhto ?!
    3. tomket
      tomket 2 May 2013 19: 05
      +9
      earrings are worn in the ear by either pirates or homosexuals, something like a pirate ship in the background is invisible)))))
    4. RUS-36
      RUS-36 2 May 2013 21: 28
      0
      It Хthen generally ....?
  • Nymp
    Nymp 2 May 2013 16: 42
    +6
    All clever people posing as intelligentsia - "the voice of the people" would not hurt to gather in the barracks of OSVENTSIM or BUCHENWALD and arrange for them what millions of innocent people have passed through! That's the only way they can be brought up. Let them feel the holiday - "with tears in their eyes." I support the title of the article: - "Let's clear the air on May 9 from the stench."
  • i12345
    i12345 2 May 2013 16: 43
    +6
    There is an active attack on the last remaining with us - Victory .... It is connected primarily with geopolitical interests - the revision of the results of 2 MV. And here, like in any war, all means are good, and these genetic Tobaccos (remember Sherkhan had one ...) work out their scraps ... ALL (except for these ...) HAPPY FOR THE GREAT VICTORY !!!
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 2 May 2013 16: 48
      +3
      Quote: i12345
      There is an active attack on the last remaining with us - Victory ...

      In general, this is true, only Victory is not the last thing we still have! For example, Orthodoxy (with the center in Moscow) is going across their throats with an active and often hidden, veiled offensive.
  • saygon66
    saygon66 2 May 2013 16: 45
    11
    - And one more person of incomprehensible nationality ..
    Mujabaev ..
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 2 May 2013 17: 23
      +5
      His last name is misspelled. It is necessary to write without the letter "g"
    2. horoh
      horoh 2 May 2013 17: 42
      +1
      Everything is written in his eyes, uh ... uh.
    3. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 2 May 2013 23: 41
      0
      Quote: saygon66
      And one more face

      The same eggs, only in profile ...
  • bazillius
    bazillius 2 May 2013 16: 45
    +5
    The parade is needed. For veterans - as a symbol of the result of the Great Victory. For the adult generation - for the realization and reminder that we must take care of the Motherland which we have preserved and properly educate our children and grandchildren, for young people - so that we are preparing to become real defenders of the Motherland.
    1. consul
      consul 2 May 2013 18: 02
      +3
      Quite right, not just necessary, necessary. In addition to this, it is necessary to make parades, albeit not so solemnly, but in memory of other wars, it would be very informative for young people. Yes, it takes money, but they are worth it. Few people do not know the sayings. - "if you want to defeat the enemy, raise his children."
  • ed1968
    ed1968 2 May 2013 16: 50
    +6
    our "bohemia" has long continued to the west with giblets and that they can, besides fluttering their tongues, because if they look closely, they really just pose from themselves do not understand what and as for one soup, so it should be carefully tied up and put on a red square during parade there, not only tanks will drive through it, but also your feet will wipe winked
  • kind
    kind 2 May 2013 16: 52
    +4
    : “Why the hell do you need these military parades ?! How much money is wasted on them. It seems that the current regime really has nothing to brag about, except for weapons, and even then for the most part, morally obsolete. ki. "

    There are things in life that are not exchanged for anything! This is the memory of our Glorious ancestors, their bright deeds and deeds! One of such deeds is the Great Victory Day on May 9 !!! Those who are against it - BYD-LO advanced. Ungrateful creatures. They will regurgitate in life their disrespect for our Shrines. Nobody will remember them. There is no excuse for them, these are traitors.
    "And what should the ghouls do if they have nothing to be proud of, except for the victory in the war, for which they put more than twenty million?"

    But this modernized author, clearly from the Pepsi generation. History tends to repeat itself, and let, when repeating itself, feel the whole horror of Maidanek and Khatyn on his own skin!
  • i12345
    i12345 2 May 2013 16: 55
    +5
    There is an active attack on the last remaining with us - Victory .... First of all, it is connected with geopolitical interests - re-review of the results of 2 MV. And here, as in any war - all means are good, so these genetic Tobaccos (remember, Sherkhan had such a ...) work off their leftovers ... ALL (except these ...) HAPPY VICTORY CELEBRATION !!!
  • treskoed
    treskoed 2 May 2013 16: 57
    +4
    [b] Quote: [/ b] “In our media, what is happening is called rehearsal for the Victory Parade. And I would call it the intentional killing of innocent people ...
    Reading this, I look differently at the "enemies of the people" and their persecution in the 30s. I don’t want to consider such "hacks" my compatriots.
    HAPPY VICTORY, GREAT HOLIDAY !!!
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 6 May 2013 11: 59
      0
      Friend, do not shake the basics of those shafts that they are so trying to dazzle.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 2 May 2013 17: 02
    +6
    from the Don.
    We always had, and there are corrupt, weak-hearted, strangers to this country, egoists. These pugs, unfortunately, are not only among us, but also in the media, in regional authorities, in the government of the country. Otherwise, to explain the appearance of newspapers, TV channels pouring dirt on our veterans, on my grandfather, who died in Yugoslavia, in our memory. To me this: freedom of speech: -NO NEEDED! These: moral monsters: one place-in the dustbin of history.
    Congratulations to everyone on the GREAT HOLIDAY-VICTORY DAY!
  • i12345
    i12345 2 May 2013 17: 04
    +5
    Probably not for nothing that Comrade Lenin called the intelligentsia of gov @ m, a lackey stratum, that's me about Svanidze and Co. And why is it only in Moscow that you need to clean the air, in my opinion, stripping should be done all over the country ...
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 17: 10
    14
    Quote: Basil-71
    For example, the parade on May 9 is extremely expensive.

    For people like you, you can separately arrange a "cheaper" one more time:

    1. shurup
      shurup 2 May 2013 17: 34
      +3
      If corrupt officials had been led around Moscow in this way, there would have been no complaints about traffic jams.
      But there would be a howl about human rights and undemocraticism.
    2. kerozin1982
      kerozin1982 2 May 2013 18: 56
      +3
      [quote = GreatRussia] [quote = Vasily-71] For example, the parade on May 9 is extremely expensive pleasure [/ quote]
      For people like you, you can once again arrange for a cheaper one. HEAD OF THE PARADE WILL BE ALL !!!
    3. i12345
      i12345 2 May 2013 18: 59
      +5
      Great "parade" !!!! It's time to conduct the same column of liberals !!! And from the back, as usual, sprinklers ... wash away the dirt ...
    4. redwar6
      redwar6 2 May 2013 21: 17
      0
      And why "For"? I think it is worth a walk.
  • ed1968
    ed1968 2 May 2013 17: 11
    0
    intellectuals, like people, are different
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 2 May 2013 17: 14
    +4
    Quote: Basil-71

    They fought along with the USSR - more questions?

    Did I ask you questions somewhere?
    There is a wish. Start reading the whole play from the first act of the first act - funding the NSDAP in the early 1920s.
    Then you can move on to American investments in the German defense industry.
    But, apparently, you are hardly going to do it.
    You have a different mission here wassat
  • a jacket
    a jacket 2 May 2013 17: 19
    +4
    Quote: saygon66
    Mujabaev ..

    One letter hides: mudakzhabaev.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 2 May 2013 17: 22
    +4
    Shame!!
    The very objection to the celebration of VICTORY DAY!
    This is where the legs of rewriting history, rewriting the results of the Second World War, grow.
    This is how, thanks to some bawlers, we can become criminals. I'm not saying that this can lead to a revision of the results of World War II, and this is tantamount to a new war !!!
  • GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 2 May 2013 17: 23
    11
    I think no one in Russia was surprised by the quotes from the Moscow glamorous get-togethers and the screams of political prostitutes from MK cited in the article. The first "Ivans who do not remember kinship" are furious with fat and steam, the second clearly work out the received $ 1 billion.
    After all, ordinary Muscovites, and many not simple ones, also disagree with them, like the rest of Russia.
    Position, let's eat money in the toilet instead of the Victory Parade of the Great Country, its people and the army in the most terrible war of mankind. From this Parade on May 9, the West annually recalls what happens if they decide to destroy Russia.
    The Victory Parade on May 9 is an occasion to demonstrate to our "partners" and their sycophants the main allies of Russia - the Army, Aviation and Navy.
    There is a percentage of young people whose brains, like Vasily 71 here, were formatted in the 90s according to Soros's textbooks. But most of the youth were brought up in families with the correct understanding of the Second World War and Victory Day.
  • Grbear
    Grbear 2 May 2013 17: 25
    +6
    Any quote at the beginning of the article is a spit, a hiss of traitors and they should be responsible for it. And always publicly. This cannot be let down. For this 71st, Vasya's parents have enough minuses (a baby troll, what to take from him), and those who are larger - to answer. Scold, swear its a country for shortcomings - it is possible, but if you love, you want to help and offer something (albeit according to your own understanding). But nobody is allowed to pour mud on.
  • Imperial
    Imperial 2 May 2013 17: 28
    +7
    Guys, don’t you react to this troll (Vasily-71), to ignore his paskudnik. But in general, it would be nice to start the function of spam, otherwise jackals are frequent, they are fun, and they spoil our nerves.
  • ymNIK1970
    ymNIK1970 2 May 2013 17: 30
    +7
    What brave liberals we have in the internet, I just can't imagine what my grandfathers did to him, he dared to blather this, in their presence, and even on May 9. Strangled. Orc infection. His tongue was ripped out. Probably want to hear this live. See your reaction from the outside. TO FIND OUT WE ARE OUR ANCESTORS? This is the main question.
  • MG42
    MG42 2 May 2013 17: 37
    +3
    In Ukraine, the decision to revise the date of the holiday is still beginning to be made not at the central level, but by decisions of local councils. So, in Kiev, it was decided not to bring heavy armored vehicles to the streets, but solemn events will be held. And in the Lviv City Council, the date was completely recognized as the Day of Remembrance for the Victims of World War II. Of course, any celebrations, parades and flower-laying were banned. The corresponding decision has already been approved by the mayor Andrey Sadovy. The idea itself caused a great resonance in the city: nationalist circles welcome the ban on the festival, communists and anti-fascists protest.

    Deputies in Ternopol, as well as in Chernivtsi and Lutsk city councils are ready to support the undertakings of Lviv residents.

    Source: Vlast.no
    http://vlasti.net/news/165625

    Svoboda demanded to ban the Russian military parade in Sevastopol on May 9
    http://zn.ua/POLITICS/v-svobode-potrebovali-zapretit-rossiyskiy-voennyy-parad-v-
    sevastopole-na-9-maya-121750_.html