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Heirs of atheism and pseudo-islam

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State problems come from atheists, ignoramuses and people without conscience


After the fall of the Soviet Union and the final collapse of the communist ideology, people began to wake up a natural interest in religion. But the process of turning to the faith of their ancestors turned out to be long, painful and far from being as harmless as one might have hoped at the beginning of the 90s. It turned out that atheistic in the past the state is not ready to meet the demand for religion. Our interlocutor, the imam of the Central Juma Mosque of Makhachkala, Magomedrasul Saaduyev, is convinced of this, that the true sources of religious extremism lie.

"MIC": Magomedrasul-hazrat, is it really possible to say that the tense situation in Dagestan is a consequence of the atheistic line pursued in Soviet times?

“As a result of the 75-year-old communist-atheistic rule, a spiritual vacuum has developed in the hearts and minds of citizens, including in the regions where Muslims lived. Before the revolution, the father could pass on his son’s religious experience to his son, and for this in every aul there was a mullah, a mosque where the Koran was read. During the Soviet period, this experience was lost. The tradition is interrupted. For example, I grew up in a religious family, my father taught me something, but I could not openly declare this even to my friends or relatives. Everyone was afraid of the KGB. Religious life was barely warm.

Indeed, after the collapse of the Union, many wanted to learn Islam, but the authorities were not ready to give these people the full knowledge. Religious ignorance of the population has become a breeding ground for the spread of all sorts of pseudo-religions and pseudo-ideologies. Certain destructive forces took advantage of this state of affairs. In the villages and mosques, people began to appear, who undertook to interpret the holy Quran for their own selfish purposes, manipulating the consciousness of people who were illiterate in religious matters. The lack of literate, learned people, the ulama, who would have full knowledge of the Koran, were competent in these matters, enjoyed the confidence of the population and were not afraid to engage in open dialogue with demagogues. The same applies to the official preachers of Islam, imams of mosques and even muftis - they were not enough.

Heirs of atheism and pseudo-islam"MIC": Why do young people have such an interest in Islam?

- The youth is observant and sensitive to change. When young people saw that the ideological system - communism - fails, they became disillusioned with it. But man cannot live without an idea, without faith. Where to go, how to live? So there arose a completely understandable, natural interest in his roots, in his faith. In religion, young people began to find answers to their questions, she helped in solving personal problems. This process is also noticeable among representatives of the youth of other faiths, but is especially evident among Muslims. Islam rightfully takes its rightful place in the minds and hearts of people, which can only be welcomed. The only problem is that true Islam is distorted for the reasons mentioned above.

According to my observations, the guys go to the forests not primarily from religious families who received vaccination in the form of necessary knowledge in their time, but from atheists, where they did not hear the words about God, about faith. They do not have immunity, when one of the new friends, fellow students begins to misinterpret the Koran.

"MIC": What to do in this situation?

- Unfortunately, Islam still has not received due support from the state - one that would satisfy everyone who wants to know their faith. The teaching of religion takes place mostly in private madrasahs or abroad, where it is impossible to establish control over the curriculum. What is sown in young heads under the guise of Islam, only Allah knows.

For a state to successfully fight against pseudo-Islam, it must give its citizens the opportunity to learn true Islam. One of the ways out of the crisis is to expand the network of basic Islamic educational institutions - institutes and universities. It is necessary to attract even more competent scientists from Arab countries, to pay them a decent salary. Pseudo-ideology based on pseudo-religion can be defeated only by true ideology based on true religion. Maintaining and spreading the truth about religion is the task of the state. The only way to get out of the crisis.

"MIC": Has something changed with the coming to power in the republic of a new acting president?

- With the arrival of the leadership of the Republic of Ramazan Abdulatipov, at last, the thought was voiced about the need for a first-class Islamic university in Dagestan, which will be able to compete with educational institutions of other Islamic countries. This is our long-cherished dream. Glory to the Almighty, she began to come true.

A single Islamic State University is also necessary because Dagestan is a multinational republic. Many peoples live here who do not understand each other, and the Russian language acts as an inter-ethnic one. A person who has studied the Koran, written in Arabic, cannot independently translate it from his native, say, Avarian, immediately into Russian. And even as a scientist, he cannot transfer his knowledge to the neighbors of another nationality. Teaching Islam in Russian at a state Islamic university will largely solve the problem of training and spiritual education.

Why is the situation in Chechnya easier to take control? They live in fact alone Chechens. Imams, muftis can directly address in Chechen the people, the ummah - the Islamic community, as well as those who are hiding in the woods or are only planning to do so. In Dagestan, everything is more complicated. In what language do preachers speak to those who hide in the woods? There is such an "international".

To explain to the parishioners the essence of faith has, alas, in Russian, which not everyone is equally good at. We urgently need a powerful Islamic university where they will comprehensively train preachers, ulama, who could freely express their thoughts in Russian and Arabic.

"MIC": Most of all in Dagestan kill law enforcement officers and spiritual leaders. Why?

“They obviously kill those in whom they feel danger.” Extremes in Islam appear when there is no deep knowledge, when they are superficial, devoid of root. Once a person delves into the truth, he will understand his delusions. This is precisely what the extremist leaders fear. They want to serve their people forever in the darkness of half-knowledge and ignorance.

One Orthodox priest, when asked what problems were in their Church, answered: “Godlessness and ignorance”. Muslims have exactly the same problems. The murderer of respectable, respected, literate people of Said-efendi Chirkei and the rector of the Institute of Theology and International Relations Maksud Sadikov can only be an atheist or ignoramus.

"MIC": There is no fear that extremists will shoot down their opponents and thereby gain an ideological victory?

- I have no such fear. Even with our limited capabilities, we are training specialists and a lot of them. Given that the government has heard us and is ready to meet, we will cope with this task.

There are many examples when people who were mistaken and were ready to go into the woods, after openly communicating with imams, began to change their beliefs to less radical ones, traditional for Dagestan. Among those who are still hiding in the woods for religious reasons, there are those who are ready to lay down weapon and surrender. The reason is not fear for one’s life, but an understanding of past delusions. It has long been the thought in the air that all Muslims of Dagestan, who are on opposite sides of the barricades, should unite on the basis of traditional Islamic values ​​without bringing something alien into them. We are actively working in this direction. If God gives - Inshalla, it will be a big breakthrough in the matter of peaceful settlement of the issue.

"MIC": This position is not shared by the entire leadership of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of Dagestan (SAMD). Some imams are convinced that dialogue with supporters of neosalafizm (Wahhabism) is impossible and this is just a waste of time. You are criticized for it.

- The final decision on the dialogue was made primarily by the mufti of the republic, and most ulama supported this idea. Only through dialogue, by opening our eyes to the truth can one come to peace. If a man from the forest sincerely takes a step towards us, is it right to push him away? Of course not. We are not afraid of dialogue and are ready to fight to the end for everyone who wants to understand the ways of Allah. Allah says in one of the Sunn something like this: “If your opponents are prone to peace, and you bow to it,” so we always follow the commands of Allah and do not consider all of our opponents as a homogeneous mass. We are driven solely by one desire: for peace to come quickly in Dagestan.

I repeat, among those who are called gangsters and Wahhabis, many are looking for a way out of the forest. I cannot give names, because in that way I will put them at risk. For the same reason, they do not give a confession. But the man moved away from complicity, ceased to support his former comrades. Is this not enough?

"MIC": Thus, mutual understanding has been reached between the government, the Ministry of the Interior and the SAMD about the need for coordinated actions and there are all possibilities for a radical change in the situation?

- Yes, but besides the religious factor there is also an economic one. The government should understand that young people who are interested in religious ideas should work and provide for themselves, their parents, and not hang around.

Celebration is also one of the negative factors. At all times, Muslim rulers were especially worried about youth employment. One scientist came to the governor, Sultan Omar, and said: “Take people by work, otherwise they will choose harmful activities for themselves.” And we have people in many regions, young people do not want to work, to learn, too. So there are harmful thoughts, protest moods. If we manage to solve these two problems, order and peace will come in Dagestan.

"MIC": The society is now vigorously discussing the problems of wearing hijabs and separate training. How relevant is this and is a compromise possible?

- In Islam, this is all clear: from the 8 – 9 age, the girl should be closed, that is, wearing a hijab. In Islam, this is a matter of principle. And this needs to be understood by government officials. If there are fundamental questions like this, then they need to compromise, make concessions.

No normal Muslim would agree to have his daughter at school forced to remove her headscarf. In Islam, these moments are given a very great importance, to be exact, then with the appearance and awareness of a Muslim begins. Here compromises are unacceptable. Therefore, the ban on wearing the hijab is perceived by many Muslims as a ban on Islam. And because of this, blood often flows, people die. Why bring matters to such a situation.

Is the state more important than any rules that change easily than the customs of one of the traditional religions - Islam? In this case, the state should be ready to escalate the confrontation, because, I repeat once again, for a Muslim the ban on wearing the hijab is actually a ban on Islam.

"MIC": How do you propose to solve the problem?

“I don’t see any problem here.” Why can't we study together, sit at the same desk, or even just be friends with two classmates, one of whom is wearing a hijab and the other isn’t? The girl in the hijab remains the same student with all the requirements for her. I can even assume that a Muslim woman will have a better time, since she will have more time to study, to study, than from her social friend, who needs to watch TV and flirt with boys. A real Muslim woman will not do this.

If you do not turn a girl who came to a lesson in a hijab, a mockery, an ugly duckling, and treat her religious feelings with understanding, respect, to whom this will be bad? School and its director? I think it's time to look at the girl in the hijab as normal. After all, they look like the norm now in many schools of Russia at schoolgirls in mini-skirts or with a cigarette. No one is struggling with this much more negative phenomenon. Why are the hijab so ganged up? This is the result of Islamophobia, promoted by the Russian media, which are probably not interested in the stability of our multi-religious society.

Many citizens at the instinct level have developed a connection: hijab means a suicide bomber. Stupidity. Very offensive and painful parallels for Muslims. They will not bring peace.

If the state paid the same attention to the problems of drug addiction, juvenile delinquency or pedophilia, success would be evident. Alas, the stereotypes of the atheistic past in our country are too strong.

Partly help to solve the problem introduced by the foundations of the foundations of faith. On them, children and parents would be told through them about the basics of faith, Islam as well. We, the clergy of Dagestan, both hands welcome the introduction of this subject in schools. Such lessons, conducted by competent specialist teachers, will also contribute to stopping the outflow of young people to the forests due to religious misunderstandings.

"MIC": How do you look at the fact that among law enforcement officers, military personnel more and more Muslims?

- Only positive. 80 percent of the parishioners of the Juma mosque are young people, among them there are many in shape. They do not come out of curiosity, but as true Muslims. And not only on the Friday (obligatory) prayer, but also on other days. This is, thank Allah, the process of improving the people and power structures. Now in the army, in the internal affairs bodies there are no problems with the open confession of one’s faith. In many military units and institutions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs there are prayer rooms. I believe that this trend will have a positive effect on the activities and education of employees by true patriots of their homeland, Russia.

I know that among the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic there are very God-fearing people who are very concerned about what is happening in Dagestan. These people need to be noticed and appreciated by the authorities, because conscience is not the basis for their fear of God. And there are not so many such employees in the era of dishonor and corruption. For the sake of the fear of God, they will not act contrary to the will of the Most High. After all, it is from atheists and ignoramuses, people who have lost their conscience, all the problems in the republic and in the state. Such people, being in leadership positions, including in power ministries, and bring a lot of problems, heat up the situation. The more truly religious people we have - Orthodox, Muslims, the more stable and safer will be the situation in the country.
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  1. Hleb
    Hleb 2 May 2013 05: 45 New
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    State problems come from atheists

    the beginning of the article promises interesting discussions)
    1. Sibiryak
      Sibiryak 2 May 2013 06: 03 New
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      Here is the answer to the headline "Problems of the state from the atheists" -
      It turned out that the atheistic state in the past was not ready to satisfy the demand for religion.

      Religion for some is also a profitable business!
      1. patline
        patline 2 May 2013 10: 02 New
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        I repeat, at the expense of my opinion on religions.
        Once upon a time, people believed in many gods, and lived almost the same way as they do now: they loved, hated, gave birth to children, fought, created alliances and so on and so forth.
        But then the Jews came and reformatted the world in their own way with the help of "soft power" - Christianity. When Christianity got out of control of the Jews, they invented Islam - to fight Christianity. When both of these religions ceased to serve their interests, they invented communism, again to combat the out-of-control religions. Take a closer look at Judaism, Christianity, Islam and even the idea of ​​communism, and you will see that these ideas are like twin brothers.
        Sorry, if I offended someone, this is my opinion, although I myself am Orthodox, but you won’t erase thoughts from my head ...
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 2 May 2013 11: 32 New
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        Quote: Sibiryak
        Religion for some is also a profitable business!

        I agree with you completely. I would add here the words of K. Marx. Religion is opium for the people. Take recent examples, Libya, Syria. Who is stirring up water? Religious fanatics who are easily manipulated by beautiful scriptural words. In this situation, religion can be said as they say about the law, the law - what drawbar: where you turn - it turned out there The same thing happens with fanatics, phrases are taken out of context, and heads are not clogged with religious suras. Please note that now Muslims are fighting with Muslims. The question is, who benefits from this? And which of them are infidels? Everyone screams, and cut their heads to each other with frenzy. And everyone knocks on the chest with his heel, in that he is a true Muslim. As in the last revolutionary Russia in the 20s, brother went to brother. Son on father. One can see the same handwriting in all this. And the ears stick out the same as 100 years ago. (Where not stick EU @ Partners). It didn’t work out to ruin Russia from inside, now they are trying to put pressure from outside. They laid it with straw, set it on fire, and want to smoke it with smoke.
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        2. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 2 May 2013 14: 14 New
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          comes to the ridiculous, my comment with proverbs from the Dahl dictionary about priests was deleted laughing Intersno, soon the fairy tale "About the priest and his worker Balda" will be banned at school?
          "The" updated "version of the tale of the poet Alexander Pushkin" About the priest and his worker Balda "was published in Armavir: the author of the idea of" renewal "was the priest of the city Holy Trinity Cathedral, Father Pavel.
          The press service of the Russian Orthodox Church commented on an alternative version of Pushkin's fairy tale “On the Priest and His Worker Balda”. It pop as a character is missing. All vices are attributed to the main entrepreneurs of that time - merchants.
          "The Tale of the Merchant and His Worker Balda" was published in Armavir with a circulation of 4000 copies. "
          1. Joker
            Joker 2 May 2013 23: 56 New
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            I don’t know how in the whole world, but in Russia religion has turned into a profitable business. No wonder churches, synagogues and other religious centers breed like fleas on a stray dog. In terms of speed of construction, only shopping centers can compete with churches (there are an incredible number of them in our city), it seems that the country is only praying and trading.
            Note that many proverbs about the church are still relevant.
            In the Explanatory Dictionary of V. Dahl, we find many proverbs,


            - Three priests, but a path has grown in the church.

            - Old Sergeyyushka dressed in silk velvet the whole brethren (the proverb speaks of the Trinity - Sergius Lavra).
            - Not the land feeds the monastery, but a peasant.
            - The monastery is that corvée.
            “The world is wicked, and the monastery is pious to them.”
            - Not from God the Lavra grace, but from pilgrims.

            - From trouble to Chernets.
            - The head survived to the black hood.
            - Sheared - that inveterate.
            - The cell's coffin - and the door slammed.
            - Yesterday with a brush, today with a rosary (there were criminals among the monks).
            - Frying ring is better than bell ringing.

            - Do not build seven churches, annex seven children.

            “The priest is sitting in the mass, while the lay people pray to God.”

            - Hungry and caring duty debt mass.

            - On the poor and censer.
      3. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 2 May 2013 12: 13 New
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        Quote: Sibiryak
        Religion for some is also a profitable business!

        I will add, it is very profitable, so profitable that it repels those who begin to show religiosity (old age, unsettledness, and other life problems). The first to represent religion are people, "What is the priest, such is the parish" and this applies to all confessions of the Russian Federation. Religion in its current state is not an example of behavior, but rather corrupts.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 2 May 2013 10: 30 New
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      Quote: Gleb
      the beginning of the article promises interesting discussions)

      Of course. I read the article ....
      I realized that uncle wants state funding for Islam.
      So, 7 billion have already been allocated to them at an Islamic university. Is it not enough?
      And why should my taxes (and I'm generally a supporter of the scientific religion, to me classical in terms of hell) should be used for religious purposes, no matter what kind of Islamic or Christian?
      This is a violation of the Constitution .... Although our Constitution is not violated only in relation to the Central Bank, but about everything else ....
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 2 May 2013 11: 29 New
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        Quote: baltika-18
        And why should my taxes (and I'm generally a supporter of the scientific religion, to me classical for hell) should go to religious needs, no matter what kind of Islamic or Christian? This is a violation of the Constitution ....

        I agree.
        All religious expenses due to (party contributions) donations of parishioners.
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. 2 May 2013 12: 06 New
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        So, 7 billion have already been allocated to them at an Islamic university. Is it not enough?

        Precisely noticed a little! His task is the same but only by peaceful methods is the worldwide victory of Islam. If they believed what they were saying, like all religions aspire to the same god and are engaged in the same thing, then he didn’t care what religion people profess and wouldn’t agitate but let people choose what to believe themselves. And the constitution for him is only a hindrance to Islam.
    3. dmb
      dmb 2 May 2013 15: 50 New
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      I think you were wrong. An interesting discussion did not work. With rare exceptions, it turned out to be ordinary abuse, and not a desire to analyze the objectivity of the article; it is difficult to call it objective because the ex-political commander of Iushchenko zeal in introducing religion into the army applies no less than he applied it, introducing scientific communism. It is understandable, apparently there is nothing else that can be done to earn daily bread, it simply does not know how, and faith has nothing to do with it. To match him and the arguments of the parties in the comments.
      And if we were talking about a sergeant or a three-volt one, one could not pay attention, except for themselves they do not hear anyone, but in this case, the comments of reasonable people are surprising. Kill God, I don’t understand why post photos of front-line soldiers who turned to Vera. Does anyone really doubt their patriotism and courage? Or were there none among atheists? Arguments about homosexuality of atheists are similar. Not so long ago, the previous dad had this problem with subordinates more than urgent. Orthodox ministers and Muslims have sinned with this. We will modestly keep silent about money-grubbing. neither faith nor atheism is an obstacle to its spread. Moreover, discussions are being held around this issue, whether or not to give money from the budget to the church. And here I personally, with understanding, firmly convinced of the position of both sides: "Do not give." For the temple should be built on voluntary donations, faith should be inspired by word, and not by grading at school. And it should be instilled in a person when he himself can make a choice, and not when it pleases the state. to the official. The duty of the state is not to impose Faith on a person, but to ensure that no one is forcibly imposing it. Conversations about smoking girls and short skirts, empty delusion. Let me remind you that in the atheistic USSR there were much less of them than during 20 years of actively baptizing Russia.
  2. Sibiryak
    Sibiryak 2 May 2013 06: 10 New
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    Why does youth have such an interest in Islam?

    Because there is a lot of free time to look around and observe what the older generation is mostly engaged in!
    1. Beck
      Beck 2 May 2013 14: 02 New
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      Faith is not TRUE, it is a private Assumption.

      The assumption that there is someone Omniscient and Almighty. Which he created. And it is built from the Stone Age, when there was no Enlightenment. Seeing the phenomena of Nature, primitive man asked himself the wrong question. Personalizing it with your sensation Я, those people asked the animated question of WHO.

      But the true ones are children. Knowing the World, they do not ask the question Who, but they ask, annoying adults, an inanimate question WHY. Those children who, having matured, did not stop asking themselves the question HOW, transformed from Why and became the geniuses of the planet, which brought human civilization to the modern level. And not some fictional god there.

      Believe in All knowingand not all-knowing, in All powerfulbut not in the almighty that is in each of us. Believe in Human Mind.
      1. DAGESTAN333
        DAGESTAN333 2 May 2013 15: 50 New
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        Beck, hello!
        Beck, your mind, as always)))), simplified everything))) ...
        Quote: Beck
        One must believe in the Human Mind.
        - and to a simple question HOW? appeared Human Mind, you have answers, and in general, anyone, NO! The most inconvenient topic is the theme of the root cause of everything.
        1. Beck
          Beck 2 May 2013 19: 16 New
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          Quote: DAGESTANETS333
          Beck, hello!


          Hello, hello my opponent!

          I found an answer for myself a long time ago. Another thing is that he will and should not satisfy other people, especially believers. But that is another question.

          If the question is WHO, then consciousness is a small flat ring of being. If the question is HOW, then consciousness turns into an ever-expanding sphere of Knowledge.

          Man now knows what happened after the Big Bang. Over time, he learns and what happened before him and beyond. This is the expansion of Cognition.

          But priests use it. Previously, they placed God on the clouds. The pilots did not find them there. Priests carried God above. The astronauts did not find them either. And now the priests (I met such) without batting an eye say that everything after the Big Bang is human, that before the explosion it’s godly.

          This is how the priests follow the scientists, moving the god for their discoveries farther and deeper into the universe. About the depths of which neither priests nor gods without the scientists of Knowledge would know.

          And in general, this short question of yours requires an extensive answer, for which the comment format is not enough. If you really want to get an answer from me, I can send you my essay "The Triune Cathedral" by mail.
          1. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 3 May 2013 01: 35 New
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            Quote: Beck
            Over time, learns and what happened before him and further
            - um ... well all right, at least some consolation of mankind is.
  3. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 2 May 2013 06: 12 New
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    It is useless to argue with a believer; faith is very beneficial. We blame everything on God, all troubles and troubles, or vice versa. It is convenient when you are prescribed what to do, what not to do, how to dress, what to eat. In essence, a person is reduced to a pet. However, if someone suddenly opposed, and does not want to be. Maybe we need examples of what happened with such in the Middle Ages among Christians? or something in the middle, in our time in Muslim countries where the only law is Sharia. It is useless to argue with believers, because any religion educates a slave from birth, and a slave from birth will never become a free man. The fact that atheists are people without honor and conscience, without spirituality, this agitation is hammered into the minds of believers just to eradicate even attempts to understand why a person becomes an atheist. I want to note that not all unbelievers are atheists. Another misconception, an atheist is a thinking person, seeking the meaning of life, understanding why he lives. An unbelieving atheist is one who simply does not believe, one who is not satisfied with the laws of religion and therefore does not want to fulfill them. As for the spirituality of believers, the most common myth, look at what is happening today in Syria and tell me what is so spiritual.
    In general, I did not write everything for believers, everything is clear with them, it’s written more for those who find it difficult to understand their attitude to religion. Believers may not write anything.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 2 May 2013 06: 32 New
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      However, if someone suddenly opposed, and does not want to be.

      even here on the site you can observe a misunderstanding between believers and atheists. each has its own views, but always this topic causes heated discussions.
      (a bit of humor)
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 2 May 2013 06: 38 New
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      I want to add. Why today transnational corporations and bankers are completely in control of politicians around the world, support Islam, and not even just Islam, but its extreme course. Christianity no longer suits those who seek to rule the world. It is too weak and does not have that effect. But Islam yes, it controls everything, as I wrote behavior, clothes, and food. A person becomes absolutely controllable, controlled. Now it’s fashionable to write that the era of chipization is coming, to keep people in control. Misconception, Islam is a cheaper and absolutely reliable way. To spread Islam throughout the world, where with the help of propaganda, where with the help of force, this is the task set by the world government. It is for this that laws are being adopted on the legalization of homosexuality, on same-sex marriage, and other nonsense. Everything is done only in order to arouse indignation and push people to Islam. Although I may be wrong, but everything is very logical and folding.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 2 May 2013 08: 29 New
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        I disagree, dear. What do you mean by the term "world government?" Earlier they talked about Masonic lodges, and for this there were some grounds, although in my opinion, their influence was exaggerated. But "world government spreads ISLAM" is Obviously, there is no basis for it. Yes, various terrorist acts, murders are a complete perversion of the essence of ISLAM, where murder, especially innocent ones, is a terrible sin. The Renaissance of Islam began in the early 80s. And it was a protest movement against provocative -unilateral support by the West for the aggressive policy of Israel., against the West's sharp rejection of the ideas of the Islamic revolution in Iran, against the imposition of a Western way of life, which meant drunkenness, debauchery, half-naked clothes, militant cosmopolitanism, driving everyone under the Western standard ".... not remembering kinship. "And at some stage, correctly in the article it is indicated, due to the lack of truly literate theologians, the protest movement turned into a" struggle against the infidels. " Adikals will be strengthened as long as they see a terrorist in every Muslim, when they attack the hijab (it can be seen that someone is pleased to see half-naked 12-13 year old girls, with a cigarette in their teeth, discussing contraceptive methods ..), despite the fact that a Christian who kills classmates and neighbors are a "criminal", and a Muslim is a "terrorist"., with gay parades, total drunkenness and debauchery.
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 2 May 2013 11: 37 New
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          Quote: xetai9977
          a Christian who kills classmates and neighbors is a "criminal" and a Muslim is a "terrorist"

          a terrorist is as much a felon as an ordinary killer, for terrorism, like murder, is punished in accordance with the Criminal Code.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 2 May 2013 14: 12 New
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            This is not so. The criminal pursues selfish ends, so to speak for personal gain, and the terrorist very often sacrifices his life for the sake of an idea. These are different things.
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 2 May 2013 17: 19 New
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              Quote: xetai9977
              This is not so. The criminal pursues selfish ends, so to speak for personal gain, and the terrorist very often sacrifices his life for the sake of an idea. These are different things.

              The terrorist does not make independent, conscious decisions, he is not able to do this, his consciousness is narrowed and controlled by the organizers, drugs are the means, regular brainwashing (sermons, rallies and other mass events to raise the "spirit"), strict rules, forbidden alternative information, cruel rituals, etc. Otherwise, there is almost no difference between the hero and the terrorist, except that the hero cannot commit meanness towards anyone, and the terrorist's concept of meanness towards the enemy is not applicable. more or less like this
              In the Muslim environment, the conditions for terrorism are most favorable.
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 2 May 2013 18: 15 New
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                You are wrong. The terrorist is more convinced of the correctness of his actions than "mere mortals". And among like-minded people he is a hero, a "martyr". The first suicide bomber, or rather a suicide bomber in my memory, was a Palestinian girl of 16 years old who blew up her car by crashing into an Israeli military jeep. 2 Israelis were killed. According to the Jews, she was a terrorist, and according to the Arabs and the USSR press, a heroine.
            2. antiaircrafter
              antiaircrafter 2 May 2013 17: 26 New
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              Quote: xetai9977
              This is not so. The criminal pursues selfish ends, so to speak for personal gain, and the terrorist very often sacrifices his life for the sake of an idea. These are different things.

              On a drum than there and for what purpose the terrorist sacrifices.
              Criminal offense punishable by the Criminal Code is criminal. So the terrorist is a felon. Same as a regular killer!
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 2 May 2013 18: 18 New
                +5
                Naturally, killing innocent people is undeniably a crime and sin. Despite the motives.
    3. Atlon
      Atlon 2 May 2013 08: 04 New
      -2
      Quote: vladsolo56
      It is useless to argue with believers, because any religion educates a slave from birth, and a slave from birth will never become a free man

      Hmm ... It's strange to hear that. You, dear, how many religions have you learned? What books have you read (to the end)? The bible? Tohru? Koran? Judging by your statements, you undertake to judge what you understand no more than the monkey in the device of a nuclear reactor ... Excuse me, but in order to draw such conclusions, you must at least be in the subject. And you are so far from the topic that your attempts to draw conclusions are simply ridiculous!
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 2 May 2013 08: 13 New
        +9
        the best book on philosophy is life, and believe me, I have been reading this book for quite some time. Your insults are just an indicator of your upbringing no more.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 2 May 2013 08: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: vladsolo56
          the best book on philosophy is life, and believe me, I have been reading this book for quite some time. Your insults are just an indicator of your upbringing no more.

          You flatter yourself! Why on earth should I offend you? But not knowing a simple postulate of ANY faith gives you a person who is illiterate in matters of this very faith. And the main postulate is simple: "God created man FREE!" And only a person himself decides whether to keep the commandments or not? Believe him in God or not. Do good or evil. Where did you see "slavery" here? Earthly laws make you a greater slave than God's laws. For violation of earthly laws, punishment will befall you, and for violation of the law of God, punishment, although determined, is firstly "ephemeral", and for non-believers it does not exist at all, and secondly it is not instantly inevitable. According to the laws of God, a person can both realize his wrongness, and be corrected, and earn forgiveness through repentance. And according to earthly laws, you will still be punished. So, there is no question of slavery. Do you want to do good, you want evil, do not do anything at all and do not believe in anything!
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 2 May 2013 11: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Atlon
            And according to earthly laws, you will still be punished.

            Unfortunately, in our present life we ​​see exactly the opposite. And "since they are not punished now, then they will not be punished later (after death)." This is what affects many, and therefore they sin, sin and sin.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 08: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: vladsolo56
          . Your insults are just an indicator of your upbringing no more.

          Insults are prohibited by the rules of the site, in this case no one insulted you!
          1. andrejwz
            andrejwz 4 May 2013 09: 27 New
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            in this case no one insulted you!

            Well yes. We didn’t beat you.
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 2 May 2013 08: 32 New
        +1
        That's right, Athlone! more to such sensible people!
    4. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 2 May 2013 08: 23 New
      0
      Bekhterev V.M., Raushenbach B.V., Voino-Yasenetsky V.F., Filatov V.P., Florensky P.A. and many others are, in your opinion, slaves? Oh well. Although you may not have heard of such. "Go ahead, comrade!"
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 2 May 2013 08: 37 New
        +3
        THE ESSENCE OF ANY RELIGION IS KIND, MERCY, EDUCATION, "DO NOT HARM YOUR NEAREST"
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 2 May 2013 11: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: xetai9977
          THE ESSENCE OF ANY RELIGION IS KIND, MERCY, EDUCATION, "DO NOT HARM YOUR NEAREST"

          The essence is the essence. But not always it turns out as it is written. I would say that these are recommendations. But not the law. Take, for example, the Islamists who shout to Allah Akbar, killing both the enemy and their co-religionist. What do you think, in the Bible or the Koran, somewhere it is indicated that it is pleasing to the Almighty? Unlikely. It is noticed that when we feel bad, then we remember about God. Many swindlers, hiding behind religion, (“Seventh-day Adventists are reformists,” “Jehovah's Witnesses,” etc.) stupefy their heads, people, in order to capitalize on their benefits.
          Quote: SIBERIAN
          You are mistaken. Any relinia brings up a person, i.e. creates a cultural background, fills life with meaning.

          Here I do not agree with SIBERIAN, These sects I have listed, having turned the religion upside down, do not raise or create a cultural background. Type in the search engine Sects of Russia. Surprise how many people want to bite off a pie named religion.
          1. OTAKE
            OTAKE 3 May 2013 21: 38 New
            0
            Take, for example, the Islamists who shout to Allah Akbar, killing both the enemy and their co-religionist. What do you think, in the Bible or the Koran, somewhere it is indicated that it is pleasing to the Almighty?

            Islam is an ideal religion, those who profess it, or those who misinterpret it, are not ideal.

            Unlikely. It is noticed that when we feel bad, then we remember about God. Many swindlers, hiding behind religion, (“Seventh-day Adventists are reformists,” “Jehovah's Witnesses,” etc.) stupefy their heads, people, in order to capitalize on their benefits.

            Everyone should have their own faith, individual, and not as religious fanatics want to impose it, either Christians or Islamists. I don’t believe in God, I don’t believe in Allah, Jesus, Buddha and don’t know who else is there, it doesn’t bother me at all to live and coexist with believers, I have my own God in my soul, and my belief, and to show it in public - unnecessary. That's when the frostbitten Allah Akbarians understand that jihad must be waged with oneself, and not with some "infidels" who are on the other side of the ocean, then everything will work out for the Arabs, when they understand that they must give up alcohol, smoking, and obscenity , vulgarity, greed, envy - this is also a jihad against one's vices, and then it will be possible to think about wars with the "infidels", but at the moment it looks more like ignorance. Islam should be interpreted differently everywhere, when Arab Islam begins to be transferred to the Caucasus, a war breaks out, in the Caucasus there is traditional Islam that differs from Arab, exactly like in South East Asia, I have not heard of jihadists from Indonesia, Malaysia or Singapore. And in general, in my opinion, in the 21st century, religion should not occupy the first place in human life.
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. 2 May 2013 12: 31 New
          +4
          The essence of any religion is power over the flock, and this (GOOD, MERCY, EDUCATION, "DO NOT HARM THE NEAREST) ​​chewing gum that the priest habitually feeds to the flock. The more sincerely, the more authentic the priest, the lower he is in the hierarchy, although there are exceptions to individuality. In general, the same diseases as and in democracy and the rest of humanity.Lies are stronger than the truth outside and the truth is stronger than lies inside, so you have to look for the truth only in "the kingdom of God is inside you."
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 2 May 2013 14: 50 New
            +5
            Each person will be accountable to GOD for his actions. And the duty of the priest (true) to convey the WORD of GOD to believers. But what people will do is already on the conscience of each individual. And the role of the priest is by no means decisive. And what should the priest say, if not about GOOD AND MERCY? In modern society, unlike the Middle Ages, it is not so easy for religion to have POWER over the flock. It can be, frankly, about a recommendatory character. And how the parishioners do it, it already depends on the conscience (or lack thereof) of each separately.
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 2 May 2013 17: 49 New
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              And the duty of the priest (true) to bring the WORD of GOD to the believers.

              And where did he overhear this word? From the book? Then why do we need an intermediary between a book and a person?
              But what should a priest say at all, if not about GOOD AND MERCY?

              Each person should talk about his experience and if there is no need to confuse people, what good and evil is not for a person to judge. Mercy cannot be taught; one can only show by example how it is to live after one’s heart and this is not a pity that degrades human dignity.
              In modern society, unlike the Middle Ages, it is not so easy for religion to possess POWER over the flock

              It depends on the shepherd - he wants to use science, tricks, technology, psychotechnics will achieve results. Science has gone far in this direction. Examples of fooling a lot of people are sects, pyramids, religions, societies, zombies are powerful weapons.
            2. Beck
              Beck 2 May 2013 19: 29 New
              0
              Quote: xetai9977
              .And the duty of the priest (true) to convey the WORD of GOD to the believers.


              These your words contradict the tenets of religion. God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipotent. With such opportunities, why the priests? God, by his omniscience and omnipotence, was to bring his word to everyone. And even books would not be needed. Indeed, in the Middle Ages, only a few could read. And then immediately the words of God and soul, without intermediaries and reading skills.

              Goodness, humanity, morality are indisputably necessary, but what does God have to do with it. These qualities are inherent in people initially, on a subconscious level.
        3. GG2012
          GG2012 2 May 2013 15: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: xetai9977
          THE ESSENCE OF ANY RELIGION IS KIND, MERCY, EDUCATION, "DO NOT HARM YOUR NEAREST"

          The essence of all religions is the consolidation of the global order of things within a large group of people in favor of a specific ruling group of owners.
          ALL THINGS WRITTEN in religious books are bluffs, fiction, and outright lies.
          Separate inclusions, such as "What you sow is what you reap" - this is outside the national and outside the religious wisdom. But the inclusion of wise ideas in religious texts makes the religious lie look like the truth.
          And the use of such a tool as Faith makes religious lies - a fanatical belief that justifies any insanity, such as: "We rape all unfaithful women. This is what Allah wants"; or "We cut the heads of all unbelievers. This is what Allah wants"; or "We wear the hijab!" It adds spirituality! "; Or" We sign ourselves with the sign of the cross ten times! This adds spirituality +10 "etc.
          In the public mind, cult workers and paid pseudo scientists drive a false statement, then Religion is spirituality. And that religion is engaged in the education of spirituality. THIS is Nonsense and outright FALSE !!!
          There is no spirituality in religion !!! And not when it was not !!!
          The history of the introduction of Christianity and Islam is a vivid proof of the lack of spirituality in both cults, this is the story of the bloody violence of one group of fanatics over the rest of the population.
          There are thousands of examples ... there’s not enough day to transfer ...
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 2 May 2013 18: 01 New
            -1
            ALL THINGS WRITTEN in religious books are bluffs, fiction, and outright lies.

            Before religions were headed by priests, real and complex people really stood at their origins. And in the beginning, religions were just people who had a revolutionary influence on the masses.
          2. xetai9977
            xetai9977 2 May 2013 18: 27 New
            -1
            Quote: GG2012
            League is engaged in the education of spirituality. THIS is Nonsense and outright FALSE !!!

            Absolutely not! religion does not teach to kill, rape, deceive, seduce. All these are just signs of lack of spirituality, which is famous for our "enlightened" century.
            1. Beck
              Beck 2 May 2013 20: 27 New
              +3
              Quote: xetai9977
              Absolutely not! religion does not teach to kill, rape, deceive, seduce.
              These are just signs of lack of spirituality, for which our "enlightened" century is famous.


              - If someone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, and his wife and children, and brothers and sisters, and, moreover, his very life, he cannot be My disciple.
              Chapter 14, verse 26. From Luke.

              - For I came to divide a man with his father, and a daughter with her mother, and a daughter-in-law with her mother-in-law.
              Chapter 10, verse 35. From Matthew.

              SURAH 9.
              Ayat 29.

              Fight those
              Who does not believe in Allah
              and last day
              And doesn’t consider it forbidden
              What is forbidden by Allah
              and his messenger
              And with those of the people of Scripture (Holy), *
              Who is the Truth of religion (Allah)
              did not recognize
              (Fight them) as long
              Until they pay you tribute
              With my own hand
              in humility submissive.

              SURAH 13 Ayat 15.
              Allah is worshiped by good.
              or forcibly
              All those who are in heaven and on earth,
              And even their shadows in the morning
              and in the evenings.
              1. GreatRussia
                GreatRussia 2 May 2013 20: 48 New
                -2
                Quote: Beck

                - If someone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, and his wife and children, and brothers and sisters, and, moreover, his very life, he cannot be My disciple.
                Chapter 14, verse 26. From Luke.

                And why was it said, huh?
                Follow the path of the advertised Grekulov and his propaganda, while not understanding the Bible at all, thinking straightforwardly, excluding all kinds of allegories.

                We look at what kind of mother and father we are talking about:


                father is your father the devil, and you want to fulfill the lusts of your father;
                (John 8; 44)

                mother - for Hagar means Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds
                Jerusalem today, because he and his children are in slavery;
                (Gal 4; 25)
                1. Beck
                  Beck 2 May 2013 21: 16 New
                  0
                  Quote: GreatRussia
                  And why was it said, huh?


                  And to the fact that in their primary source religions preach good only to their own and obedient. But for others, the threat and calls for violence. And to the fact that it is not necessary to say that religions are one good.

                  Quote: GreatRussia
                  We look at what kind of mother and father we are talking about:
                  the father is your father the devil, and you want to fulfill the lusts of your father; (John 8; 44)


                  If you know the gospel, then this quote is a pure juggle. Before the verse you quoted and after, in the Gospel, we are talking about a dispute between the Jews of Bethlehem and Jesus. And it is specifically about Abraham, and not about all men.

                  “You do the work of your father.” To this they said to him: we are not born of fornication; we have one Father, God.
                  Chapter 8, verse 41, from John.

                  “Your father is the devil, and you want to fulfill the desires of your father;” he was a murderer from the beginning, and did not stand in the truth, for there is no truth in him; when he speaks a lie, he speaks his own, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
                  Chapter 8, verse 44. From John.

                  This is what it is like to say today against the Slavic ancestor. And further.

                  - I have shown you many good deeds from My Father; for which of them do you want to stone Me?
                  Chapter 10, verse 32. From John.

                  - The Jews answered Him: we do not want to stone you for a good deed, but for blasphemy and the fact that you, being a MAN, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.
                  Chapter 10, verse 33. From John.
                  1. GreatRussia
                    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 21: 35 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Beck

                    And to the fact that in their primary source religions preach good only to their own and obedient. But for others, the threat and calls for violence.

                    Again 25.
                    I didn’t tell you not to mix all religions into one pile?
                    Where did you see in the Orthodox religion calls for violence against Gentiles, eh?


                    And to the fact that it is not necessary to say that religions are one good.

                    And do not equalize and mix all religions in one heap. The reception is banal and quite famous. Therefore, not a ride.


                    Quote: Beck

                    This is what it is like to say today against the Slavic ancestor.

                    Against, excuse me, hoo ??? belay

                    The rest is some indigestible mishmash of separately pulled quotes.
              2. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 2 May 2013 20: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: Beck
                - If someone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, and his wife and children, and brothers and sisters, and, moreover, his very life, he cannot be My disciple.
                Chapter 14, verse 26. From Luke.
                You are still talking about the Sword that He brings to the world, you forgot to mention. And the fact that I quoted you brought not by knowledge of Christian spiritual practice. This is not about hatred of your relatives, but about detachment from all worldly things. Do not forget that this said to his disciples. Without renunciation of the world and immersion in oneself, one cannot soar. For Islam I will not say, I do not know him.
                1. Beck
                  Beck 2 May 2013 21: 26 New
                  0
                  Quote: Thunderbolt
                  This is not about hatred of his relatives, but about detachment from all worldly things. Do not forget that this is said to his disciples. Without renunciation from the world and immersion in oneself, one cannot soar


                  Sorry, but this is a priestly method - the direct meaning of what is skanzanny and listed on paper is to explain, in view of sheer evil, ornate, obscure, invented. What worldly? Clearly said. And this is only to be loved and worshiped only by Him. And this is not only in this moment of the gospel.

                  - Do not think that I have come to bring PEACE to the earth; not the world I came to bring, but the SWORD.

                  Chapter 10, verse 34. From Matthew.

                  - Do you think that I have come to give PEACE to the earth? No, I tell you, but separation.
                  Chapter 12, verse 51. From Luke.

                  - For I came to divide a man with his father, and a daughter with her mother, and a daughter-in-law with her mother-in-law.
                  Chapter 10, verse 35. From Matthew.

                  - The father will be against the son, and the son against the father; mother versus daughter and daughter versus mother; the mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
                  Chapter 12, verse 53. From Luke.

                  - For now, five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three.
                  Chapter 12, verse 52. From Luke.

                  “And the enemies of man are his household.”
                  Chapter 10, verse 36. From Matthew.

                  What comments can be. What could be speculation. What other interpretations may be. Everything is extremely brief and extremely clear. After this blasphemous to hear from the same mouth - Love your neighbor.
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 2 May 2013 22: 06 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Beck
                    What comments can be. What could be speculation. What other interpretations may be. Everything is extremely brief and extremely clear. After this blasphemous to hear from the same mouth - Love your neighbor.

                    Of course, I wildly apologize for not taking part in discussions of articles on the Higher (I see no reason request), but then if I got in ... I just said that this is how the Master worked with his Disciples. This is a common method for many (if not all) spiritual practices on this earth. Give the Disciple a good shake so that he realizes who he is. Only "work" with the Master gives something. And the limitation of the material will release a nuclear explosion of your own, Beck, energy. And if there is a living Master next to you, he will direct it inside you. Any methods are permissible for such a transformation to take place, but others are not at all Nothing concerns. That's what my post was about. And as for
                    Quote: Beck
                    What comments can be. What could be speculation. What other interpretations may be.
                    Here, yes, everyone understands in his own way. And interpretations appear for the sake of the interpreter. Here I even agree. This is because the Teachers are interpreting. The difference needs to be distinguished. There are many teachers fellow , and the Master is one and you need to look for him crying .And how to interpret what was said many centuries ago, does not change the righteousness of what was said. Honestly, he does not care bully And the rest is politics wink
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 2 May 2013 22: 54 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Thunderbolt
                      I just said that this is how the Master worked with his Disciples.


                      Quote: GreatRussia
                      I didn’t tell you not to mix all religions into one pile?


                      Dear opponents, I think we did not set ourselves super tasks. You drag me into the bosom of the Church, I shove you onto the path of atheism. We expressed our opinions and all remained firmly in their positions. The format of the site does not allow a deeper discussion of our debate. And the main thing we have already said. I think further discussion, with the format limited, hi to repetition, confusion and possibly irritation. And who needs it?

                      So, all the best to you. God bless you.
              3. TUMAN
                TUMAN 2 May 2013 21: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: Beck
                - If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, and his wife and children, and brothers and sisters, and, moreover, his very life, he cannot be My disciple. Chapter 14, verse 26. From Luke.

                I admit you surprised me. The first time I put you a plus!
                1. Beck
                  Beck 2 May 2013 21: 47 New
                  +4
                  Quote: TUMAN
                  I admit you surprised me. The first time I put you a plus!


                  Greetings!

                  On the site, on the communication. Somewhere to agree, somewhere to disagree. Somewhere to oppose, somewhere to quarrel (but without insults).

                  Communication is the highest gift. And even if communication is mutually negative, it is undoubted and always enriching. Even more valuable. By agreement, there is no search for the mind and arguments.
                  1. TUMAN
                    TUMAN 2 May 2013 21: 55 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Beck
                    Communication is the highest gift.

                    And I welcome you! I agree, the very ability to think is the highest pleasure!
              4. andrejwz
                andrejwz 4 May 2013 09: 13 New
                0
                Quote: Beck
                Who does not recognize the Truths of religion (Allah), (Fight with them) until they pay tribute to you

                Come and get it. And a strange man will tell your children tales.
                1. Beck
                  Beck 4 May 2013 09: 37 New
                  0
                  Quote: andrejwz
                  Come and get it. And a strange man will tell your children tales.


                  Why didn’t I understand? And here are tales, alien peasants?

                  I have only one explanation for your comment - you inattentively read the comment, and there, in the polemic. First, understand the meanings.

                  Khetay9977, a supporter of religion, writes that religions have no enmity, no bad, but only all good. In contrast to him, I presented excerpts from the Gospels and the Koran. Where it directly points to the Enmity, Aversion, Violence, thereby confusing the allegations of Hetai9977.
        4. urganov
          urganov 3 May 2013 06: 56 New
          +2
          The essence of any religion is the control of the way of thinking. It is necessary to teach young people from childhood not Islam, any orientation, not some Christianity, but culture, first of all, in the broad sense of the word. Culture attitudes towards people, nature. Everyone’s freedom ends where another person’s freedom begins. Behave to people the way you want them to treat you.
          Any religion is an absolute evil, and evil with a capital letter. Because any religion implies a dictate of the way of thinking, any religion says don’t think for yourself, you’ve already thought out everything for you, it’s up to you to act as interpreters of the fundamentals and principles of your religion tell you, and you can’t even think differently. A normal person does not need props in the form of religion or a reference to the words of ideologists to make the right decisions.
          The greatest value in the world is a person, his ability to think and create. This is it, of man, the main difference from the rest of the animal world and its mission on Earth. That is why there is such a wild pressure on freedom of thought from religious leaders of all faiths, such a struggle for the heads of young and not strong spirit.
          1. Beck
            Beck 4 May 2013 09: 54 New
            0
            Religions, always, from the moment of their inception, only divided people, isolating adherents. This is the basis of the philosophy of any religion.

            They are not Christians. They are not Muslims. They are not Catholics, they are not Protestants. They are not Sunni, they are not Shiites. THEY ARE NOT OURS.

            Religiosity is shared by even one and the same people. The Irish are one people. What can disconnect them before self-destruction? To date, only Vera. Protestant Irish kill Catholic Irish and this is mutual. Sunni Iraqis explode, at every opportunity, Shiite Iraqis and very zealously the other way around. Muslim Egyptians and Christian Egyptians routinely smash each other in religious pogroms.

            Until religions come to naught, the world will be divided.

            If you truly believe in any religion, you will have to admit inconsistency and deceit - Anthropology, Genetics, Physics, Astronomy, Archeology, Chemistry, Medicine, and science as a whole.
      2. Oleg1986
        Oleg1986 2 May 2013 10: 19 New
        -2
        What is the use of obscurantism to explain?
    5. Siberian
      Siberian 2 May 2013 08: 32 New
      -2
      Quote: vladsolo56
      after all, any religion educates a slave from birth, and a slave from birth will never become a free man.


      You are wrong.
      Any relinia brings up a person, i.e. creates a cultural background, fills life with meaning.
      And atheism, liberalism allow a person to do anything, walk the streets with a bare bottom, swear in public places, and relieve their natural needs there, i.e. allows you to be an animal, even with a capital "Zh".
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 2 May 2013 08: 44 New
        0
        Quote: SIBERIAN
        And atheism, liberalism allow a person to do anything, walk the streets with a bare bottom, swear in public places, and relieve their natural needs there, i.e. allows you to be an animal, even with a capital "Zh".

        However, sodomy in any religion is a sin ... But atheist liberals have just civil law! wink I agree with you about the animals.
        And by the way, answering the previous atheist, slavish dependence on the golden calf, that’s an abomination that struck the modern, spiritless world ...
        1. avt
          avt 2 May 2013 10: 21 New
          +4
          Quote: Atlon
          However, sodomy in any religion is a sin ... But atheist liberals have just civil law!

          Even more, not just a right, but already a "holy" duty, which, in their opinion, is subject to worldwide dissemination as a religious commandment. By the way, if you look closely, atheism is the same religion, built on denial and very aggressive, an example of this is the past of our country.
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 2 May 2013 11: 07 New
          10
          Quote: Atlon
          And atheist liberals-just civil law!

          Actually, I would not equate an atheist and a liberal. Sometimes an atheist acts more often according to Christian commandments than some "devout Christian" who observes all the external canons, but immediately mischievous his neighbor.
          That's about the liberals - no doubt!
    6. andrejwz
      andrejwz 2 May 2013 08: 36 New
      +8
      Quote: vladsolo56
      In general, I did not write everything for believers,

      Judging by some estimates "-" the believers once again did not believe. In general, overly religious people in everyday life are often more aggressive and intolerant of views different from their own worldview. Well, young people, with their expression and eternal thirst to remake the world, are not a field for political businessmen from religion.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 08: 46 New
        -1
        Quote: andrejwz
        generally overly religious people in everyday life are often more aggressive and intolerant of views other than their own worldview

        Something I did not notice this in the Orthodox.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 2 May 2013 08: 52 New
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Something I did not notice this in the Orthodox.

          And I didn’t notice this among the faithful! Real, traditional Muslims. They are no more warlike than the Orthodox. At least the ones that I personally know. I don’t know radical Islamists personally, I can’t judge.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 09: 05 New
            0
            Quote: Atlon
            And I didn’t notice this among the faithful! Real, traditional Muslims.

            Alas, such people are in the minority today.
            1. Atlon
              Atlon 2 May 2013 09: 34 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Alas, such people are in the minority today.

              I cannot agree with this. Do you draw conclusions based on what? On news feeds? And what about the Belgorod shooter? He is never a Muslim. Or Breivik. Or, again, ours, Vinogradov. I assure you, normal Muslims, the vast majority. But we are shown more militant fobs of all stripes. They just loudly declare themselves, in contrast to normal people. Read the blogosphere, you get the impression that everything is so bad in Russia that EVERYONE wants to go to take the Kremlin. And if EVERY citizen of Russia began to blog, then all these "guardians of freedom" would be lost in the general positive mood. Evil is promoted because it is in the minority. Otherwise, just no one will notice.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 09: 56 New
                +6
                Quote: Atlon
                But what about the Belgorod shooter? He is never a Muslim. Or Breivik. Or, again, ours, Vinogradov

                Well no, I can’t agree. Breivik and Vinogradov did not shout and did not declare their faith in public hearing.
                Quote: Atlon
                I assure you, normal Muslims, the vast majority.

                Well, if we start from this, then where are they? When I see thousands and thousands of screaming allahs, the Akbar in Moscow, under the cry of the Church standing on the fence, I didn’t see at least one come out and say respect to him.
                Quote: Atlon
                Evil is because of PR, because in the minority. Otherwise, simply no one will notice.
                It may be in the minority, but it is in power and controls millions.
                1. Atlon
                  Atlon 2 May 2013 15: 33 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Well, if we start from this, then where are they? When I see thousands and thousands of screaming Allah Akbar in Moscow under the cry of the Church standing on the fence

                  Did I miss something? Be kind: where, when, for what reason? Such a "action" could hardly have gone unnoticed, or noticed only by you, so there is probably a link?
                  Well, as for "yelling Allah akbar", excuse me, you don't blame Christians for "screaming" Christ is Risen? By the way, if anyone thought that I was a Muslim, no! The most that neither is the Orthodox. And by the way, I fast all seven weeks, strictly adhering to the canons. There are Muslims among my acquaintances, and I congratulate them on Ramadan, just as they do me on Christmas or Easter. I am not a religious fanatic, I am a secular person, but I believe in God, like my Muslim acquaintances. This is just for reference.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 18: 09 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Atlon
                    Did I miss something? Be kind: where, when, for what reason? Such a "action" could hardly have gone unnoticed, or noticed only by you, so there is probably a link?

                    Yes there are links to the video, I can give out 5 pieces .... but you decide whether or not to believe hi
              2. Kaa
                Kaa 2 May 2013 12: 49 New
                +5
                Quote: Atlon
                Or Breivik

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Breivik and Vinogradov did not shout and did not declare their faith in public hearing.

                Breivik is a boomerang of liberalism, atheism and juvenile justice.
                "The mother of the Norwegian terrorist Anders Breivik Wenke Bering from an early age saw him as a future murderer and abused the child, reports The Daily Telegraph. Sensational information about his difficult childhood is revealed in the reports of psychologists Breivik, published in a biographical book about the terrorist, reports" Comments " referring to NEWSru.com. “She (mother) saw him as a cruel adult, although he was just a little boy and she was afraid that he would hurt people,” says the book, authored by Aage Borgrevink. notes the publication, according to the records of psychologists, when Bering was still breastfeeding the boy, she felt that he was "aggressive, hyperactive and clinging." By the time the child was four years old, the woman had already begun to sexually corrupt him, and also often beat him and even wished him death in the face.
                A report by psychologists from the Norwegian Center for Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, where Breivik and her mother spent several weeks in 1983, states that “Anders and his mother slept in the same bed at night, there was very close physical contact between them”. In addition, the testimonies of neighbors living near the Breivik family have been preserved. According to them, there were always scandals in the house of the future terrorist, and sometimes the mother arranged sexual games with her partners right in front of the children.
                In general, Breivik's mother, psychologists describe how "A woman with a complex upbringing, a borderline personality structure and an all-embracing, albeit seemingly invisible, depression who projects her primitive aggressive sexual fantasies onto her son."http://crime.in.ua/news/20121010/Breyvik-jerva_sexualnogo_nasilia
                " The Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten reports that, according to experts, Breivik could have been sexually abused in childhood.. When the experts drew up the report, they picked up a lot of old documents: medical records, medical records, and so on. As the Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sanomat writes with reference to the Norwegian television channel NRK, when Breivik was four years old, the psychologist, suspecting something was amiss, recommended recommending him to the reception family.Experts do not exclude that it was at this age that Breivik could become a victim of sexual violence. However, it is very difficult to test this hypothesis these days. Journalists talked with relatives of the Breivik family. They said that the boy was abused. And he himself in the diaries called his stepfather only "lustful cattle."http://www.1tvnet.ru/content/show/norvejskie-smi-breivik-stal-psihopatom-posle-s

                eksualnogo-nasiliya-v-detstve_06104.html
                "" In those days, there was still no talk about child sexual abuse. I'm afraid that Breivik came into contact with things that he shouldn't have come into contact with, "said a family friend." Something was wrong in this family. "Http://rus.delfi.ee/daily/abroad/psiholog- brejvik-v-detstve-sta
                l-zhertvoj-seksualnogo-nasiliya.d? id = 62404236
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 13: 15 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Kaa
                  Anders and his mother slept in the same bed at night, between them there was a very close physical contact

                  He had a cheerful childhood, which led to a logical result. There is simply nothing more to say.
                  Interesting material Kaa, Hello with a holiday hi
                  1. Kaa
                    Kaa 2 May 2013 15: 14 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    with holiday greetings
                    Thank you, and you with him, and with the two coming! And as for Breivik ... the hot Norwegian families will be worse than the Swedish ...
        2. andrejwz
          andrejwz 2 May 2013 08: 59 New
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Something I did not notice this in the Orthodox.

          See above. Degree of intolerance in the upper right corner.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 09: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: andrejwz
            See above. Degree of intolerance in the upper right corner.

            I watched, read and see intolerance, only from the atheists. Others, only fend off the attacks.
        3. Rrv
          Rrv 2 May 2013 18: 17 New
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Something I did not notice this in the Orthodox.


          diak-kuraev.livejournal.com/435848.html
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 2 May 2013 18: 36 New
            0
            Quote: RRV
            diak-kuraev.livejournal

            They have repeatedly explained to you that this is a fake, duck.
            But again and again, with amazing obstinacy, you continue to spread this outright fake.
            And Kuraev pecked at him, because he was very politicized.
            1. Rrv
              Rrv 2 May 2013 21: 10 New
              -3
              GreatRussia

              Dear verbiage and floodplet - your double morality is not visible only to the lazy: you require evidence, but for some reason only from others. You allow yourself unproven statements


              Quote: GreatRussia
              They have repeatedly explained to you that this is a fake, duck.


              Proof of?
              1. GreatRussia
                GreatRussia 2 May 2013 21: 15 New
                +1
                Quote: RRV
                Dear verbiage and floodplet,

                Have a nice one you too.


                your double morality is not visible only to the lazy: you demand proof, but for some reason only from others. You allow yourself unproven statements

                (unsubstantiated spelled through the letter "Z")
                So I do not throw statements and rotten slogans, unlike you and the rest of your co-religionists, anti-church activists.
                Unlike you, I’m not doing primitive trolling of your religion.
                Do you feel the difference? Not?


                Proof of?

                Evidence of what? Dummy?
                Where is the collection of signatures? Where is the site allegedly offered? Where is the one who supposedly suggested, eh?
                Please show.
                1. Rrv
                  Rrv 2 May 2013 21: 49 New
                  -3
                  Quote: GreatRussia
                  Have a nice one you too.


                  Thank you, not sick.


                  (unsubstantiated spelled through the letter "Z")


                  Thank you again, I'll take it into account. In turn, I hasten to inform you that the personal appeal "You", "You", etc. - spelled with a capital letter.


                  So I do not throw statements and rotten slogans, unlike you and the rest of your co-religionists, anti-church activists.
                  Unlike you, I’m not doing primitive trolling of your religion.
                  Do you feel the difference? Not?


                  You are just doing all of the above.


                  Evidence of what? Dummy?
                  Where is the collection of signatures? Where is the site allegedly offered? Where is the one who supposedly suggested, eh?
                  Please show.


                  Show a rebuttal. Personally, I have much more reasons to trust Kuraev than you.


                  PS And yet, answer - how many angels were there near the cave in which Jesus was buried when Mary came there? laughing
                  1. GreatRussia
                    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 21: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: RRV
                    Thank you again, I'll take it into account. In turn, I hasten to inform you that the personal appeal "You", "You", etc. - spelled with a capital letter.




                    "Do you respect me?" Usually in the "classic" version "for three" this phrase is enough for a polite and confidential communication. However, when we go beyond the framework of such oral communication, we are faced with the question of how to address a particular addressee in order to observe both the "form of politeness" and grammatical norms.
                    In reference manuals (Rosenthal D.I., Telenkova M.A. Dictionary of the difficulties of the Russian language.- M.: Rolf, 2001; Lopatin V.V., Cheltsova L.K., Nechaeva I.V .. Uppercase or lowercase? : Spelling dictionary of the Russian language. M .: AST-PRESS, 1999, etc.) Recommendations regarding the use of the personal pronoun "you" as a form of expression of politeness in Russian are as follows:

                    with a capital letter, the pronoun you (yours, you, etc.) is used:

                    when contacting one specific (individual or legal) person in official communications (Congratulations ...; We inform you ...; I ask you ...; Sincerely yours ... etc.);

                    in personal letters to one specific person (optional spelling - the writer determines the choice, expressing or not expressing a polite or respectful attitude to the addressee), including by e-mail;

                    in all other cases, the lowercase pronoun is used:


                    when addressing several persons (I ask you, dear Sergey Petrovich and Ivan Vasilievich ...; Dear sirs, your letter ...) in private and business correspondence;

                    in newspaper publications, in advertising;

                    in literary works (dialogue, direct speech, personal appeal) (... But let it not bother you anymore; \\ I do not want to sadden you with anything.);

                    when quoting;

                    when accessing a user on a web page;

                    if the appeal is hypothetical, then in the letter (Dear colleague! Regarding your assumption ...).

                    The question of writing a capital or lowercase letter in questionnaires is ambiguously resolved, where the addressee is a non-specific person and the attitude of the writer to the addressee does not matter. For new (published after 2000) directories, a lowercase letter is recommended (Where did you live before?); in previous editions - capitalized (What is your family?). Specialists of the Russian Language Institute recommend the use of a capital letter.

                    http://www.gramma.ru/RUS/?id=13.5&PHPSESSID=28fb268d98b5f047fed08d963ae4c752+www

                    .pleskovo.ru / index.php? name% 3Dsklonenie + sinton.perm.ru / study / ruslit / likbez / v11.h

                    tml

                    All the best!
                    1. Rrv
                      Rrv 2 May 2013 21: 59 New
                      -2
                      With respect, sorted out - the answer to the question will be? laughing
    7. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq 2 May 2013 09: 35 New
      +7
      Also pay attention to the beginning of the article --- "atheists", he offended me right off the bat, because I am an atheist. In the days of this Stalin, with jackal eyes, he would have waved a pick!
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 2 May 2013 10: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Heccrbq
        Also pay attention to the beginning of the article --- "atheists", he offended me right off the bat, because I am an atheist. In the days of this Stalin, with jackal eyes, he would have waved a pick!


        If anyone thinks. that there is no god (atheists), that godless man ... Everything is logical and simple. Only Satanists cannot be called godless, because they believe in God, but chose the side of Satan ...
        1. Oleg1986
          Oleg1986 2 May 2013 10: 23 New
          +3
          Atheist is a true believer. He simply believes that there is no God. Sometimes even nevermind shows the sky, as in that joke. It is impossible to prove anything, it remains only to believe.
          1. Siberian
            Siberian 2 May 2013 11: 59 New
            0
            Quote: Oleg1986
            Atheist is a true believer. He simply believes that there is no God. Sometimes even nevermind shows the sky, as in that joke. It is impossible to prove anything, it remains only to believe.


            forced to disagree with you. Atheism, as one of the forms of scientific nihilism, teaches that one cannot believe in what one does not know and cannot prove in the existing physical reality. So you only believe in what you see and what you can prove physically. Thus, atheists can accept knowledge, but they cannot believe in something irrational. Accordingly, they are not believers, i.e. atheists. EVERYTHING IS SIMPLE.
          2. Atlon
            Atlon 2 May 2013 15: 40 New
            -1
            Quote: Oleg1986
            Atheist is a true believer. He simply believes that there is no God. Sometimes even nevermind shows the sky, as in that joke. It is impossible to prove anything, it remains only to believe.

            "And everyone will be rewarded according to his faith!"
    8. Orthodox warrior
      Orthodox warrior 2 May 2013 15: 03 New
      -1
      vladsolo56,
      This is called militant atheism! What don't you have? Don't you like the fact that believers go to church, mosque, etc.? Is someone forcing you? So sit still! And about the fact that "Arguing with believers is useless, because any religion brings up a slave from birth, and a slave from birth will never become a free man," do you seriously think so? I feel sorry for you then! .. You should have seen the faces of the believers! They are not slaves! More often atheists look like slaves, because do not believe in God, but more in the material! And it cannot be eradicated ...
      I’ll bring a small case from life. In Chechnya, in our company, there were different people. Both believers and no. There were both Orthodox and Muslims. And why, in the most critical moments, it was the believers who behaved much more dignified, restrained and did not show cowardice? And why, under fire even unbelievers began to quietly pray? Why was the soldier of our company (atheist later found out) afraid of pulling me out of the wounded, and the Muslim helped me? And still we are friends and communicate! And there were a majority of believers! And the company in comparison with many suffered less losses! Why? Because of spirituality!
      And read somehow at your leisure about the soldier Yevgeny Rodionov!
      I look, it’s someone sitting in you and does not allow you to live and breathe normally! ... Understand, believers are much more tolerant! ..
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 2 May 2013 15: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Orthodox warrior
        This is called militant atheism! What don't you have? Don't you like the fact that believers go to church, mosque, etc.? Is someone forcing you? So sit still! And about the fact that "Arguing with believers is useless, because any religion brings up a slave from birth, and a slave from birth will never become a free man," do you seriously think so? I feel sorry for you then! .. You should have seen the faces of the believers! They are not slaves! More often atheists look like slaves, because do not believe in God, but more in the material! And it cannot be eradicated ...
        I’ll bring a small case from life. In Chechnya, in our company, there were different people. Both believers and no. There were both Orthodox and Muslims. And why, in the most critical moments, it was the believers who behaved much more dignified, restrained and did not show cowardice? And why, under fire even unbelievers began to quietly pray? Why was the soldier of our company (atheist later found out) afraid of pulling me out of the wounded, and the Muslim helped me? And still we are friends and communicate! And there were a majority of believers! And the company in comparison with many suffered less losses! Why? Because of spirituality!
        And read somehow at your leisure about the soldier Yevgeny Rodionov!
        I look, it’s someone sitting in you and does not allow you to live and breathe normally! ... Understand, believers are much more tolerant! ..

        so quickly you want gay parades, same-sex marriages, etc.And faith prevents it, so you need to crush it or make it go in the wrong direction, saying that it’s looking bad. Among my acquaintances Russians are the most wonderful and good-natured Russian believers. Some kind of burden comes from them, with such guys with a smile in your face you will rush under the tank.
        And note that the atheists began to insult. 1 said that believers are slaves, and the second that faith is small, and we are sheep believers. Here and the level of an atheist and a believer.
        1. Orthodox warrior
          Orthodox warrior 2 May 2013 16: 06 New
          -1
          Yeraz,
          I agree with you completely. And when a person has no internal barriers, then everything can be done. What we are observing in our time, unfortunately ...
          Ali, that’s why he is militant atheism, in order to yell at every corner that all the believers are oppressing their poor ... Yes, God be with them ... As long as a person lives, he still has time to think and decide.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 2 May 2013 16: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: Orthodox warrior
            I agree with you completely. And when a person has no internal barriers, then everything can be done.

            So they do everything. The truth is called freedom.
            Quote: Orthodox warrior
            Ali, that’s why he is militant atheism, in order to yell at every corner that all the believers oppress their poor ...

            So it amuses me most of all, secular laws apply, and believers are oppressed)))
            The trick is that yes the state is secular, but religion should not be ignored. As a result, Orthodox Russian is getting closer and closer to Western standards of behavior, and Muslims, due to somewhere ignorance, somewhere false knowledge due to the inaction of the authorities, fall under the influence of the Saudis.
            Religiosity of people must be respected, because Muslims take up arms under false ideas, and Russians degrade to Western standards, where there is only materiality and your personal freedom, no family, no barriers. Do whatever you want, there’s no god, buzz while alive.
            Quote: Orthodox warrior
            While a person lives, he still has time to think and decide.

            No matter how late this time comes, or even with the thought that after about 20 years, or even less, gay men will parade through the palace and make me sick.
  4. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 06: 34 New
    0
    Quote: vladsolo56
    In essence, a person is reduced to a pet. However, if someone suddenly opposed, and does not want to be. Maybe we need examples of what happened with such in the Middle Ages among Christians?

    At the western branches?

    And here is our Russian Church?


    Quote: vladsolo56
    It is useless to argue with a believer; faith is very beneficial.



    So Taburetkin thought so:


    Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov obscured the commander of the Ryazan Higher Command School of the Airborne Forces Colonel Andrei Krasov for the church located on the territory of the school's training center.

    The conflict between the paratroopers and Serdyukov occurred on September 30, when the Minister of Defense visited the training center "Seltsy" of the Ryazan Higher Command School of the Airborne Forces. According to Major General of the Airborne Forces Alexander Soluyanov, immediately upon arrival Serdyukov, seeing the wooden church of Ilya the Prophet, scolded Colonel Andrei Krasov. At the same time, assures Soluyanov, the minister used obscene language and insulted Hero of Russia Krasov.

    The colonel tried to intercede for the temple, explaining to the minister that the building was erected at the expense of sponsors, veterans of the airborne forces and the Ryazan diocese. Krasov also noted that the church on the territory of the training center has a practical goal - according to the colonel, since 2011 it is planned to train army chaplains in it. Serdyukov, however, did not heed the explanations of the commander of the Ryazan school: according to Soluyanov, the minister allegedly ordered "no money to be given to this center of the airborne forces," and also said that the school should be reduced, and Colonel "this impudent" should be fired.

    According to Lenta.ru, in the appeal of the paratroopers, signed by the chairman of the Union of paratroopers, Colonel General Vladislav Achalov, it is indicated that Serdyukov humiliated the "professional and personal dignity" of Colonel Krasov with his subordinates, and also insulted the "religious feelings" of the paratroopers who financed the construction of the church. “An insult to the Hero of Russia Andrei Krasov is an insult to all the defenders of our country,” Kommersant quotes an appeal by paratroopers. In conclusion, the Union of Paratroopers emphasize that they reserve the right to conduct "actions in defense of the honor and dignity of military personnel."

    Immediately after the conflict arose, the Ministry of Defense held a meeting of the leadership of the Union of Paratroopers with the Deputy Minister of Defense, State Secretary Nikolai Pankov. The meeting participants agreed to hold a meeting "with the participation of interested parties" in the department on October 18. In a video message published on the site of the Union of paratroopers, it is noted that prior to summing up the results of this meeting, any statements or publications regarding the scandal on behalf of the Union "do not have an official status."

    http://zarusskiy.org/russia/2010/10/18/24183/


    Quote: vladsolo56
    It is useless to argue with believers, because any religion educates a slave from birth, and a slave from birth will never become a free man.

    Not true.


    Quote: GreatRussia

    The fact that atheists are people without honor and conscience, without spirituality, this agitation is hammered into the minds of believers just to eradicate even attempts to understand why a person becomes an atheist.

    Lies.
    1. kush62
      kush62 2 May 2013 12: 33 New
      +5
      It makes no difference a Christian, Muslim or atheist, the main thing is not to impose your views on another. If you follow simple universal commandments. Do not kill, do not steal, etc.
      In our city of Krasnoyarsk, the pop constantly got into history (either drunk at the wheel, or just drunk drunk). It was finally sent away so that the church would not be dishonored. So is it better than me, a non-believer? In that he preaches one thing and does the other.
  5. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 2 May 2013 06: 36 New
    0
    In part, the lessons of the foundations of faith will help solve the problem.

    Only from the position of BER.
  6. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 06: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: vladsolo56
    . It is useless to argue with believers, because any religion educates a slave from birth, and a slave from birth will never become a free man.

    Do you think these are slaves?



    Etc.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 2 May 2013 06: 55 New
      +1
      who told you that during the war these people were believers. But even if so, why did you decide that the slaves never fought, even on the side of their masters. Slave psychology is when a person is a slave in the soul, and then he will do everything that they order, and fight too. But in war everything is simple, either you or you. Read the story in it many examples when slaves fought defending their masters.
      1. Atlon
        Atlon 2 May 2013 09: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: vladsolo56
        who told you that during the war these people were believers.

        There is an old SOVIET film: "They fought for the Motherland." Very ideologically consistent, passed all possible censorship, etc. Do you remember the footage where the hero prays during an air raid?
        1. Ram chandra
          Ram chandra 2 May 2013 09: 34 New
          -3
          Ha, yes, any living creature will pray and, in general, do everything to survive.
        2. Alex Nick
          Alex Nick 2 May 2013 10: 12 New
          +4
          There is such an expression about a straw ..
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 2 May 2013 09: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: vladsolo56
        who told you that during the war these people were believers.
        A lot of friends and acquaintances have BATTLE experience of 5 years or more. Someone started back in Afghanistan, and over the past 10 years. There are all sorts of them, but I have never met one - militant atheism. Yes, and they did not meet, according to them. By the way, priests with hefty military experience prior to ordination are by no means an artistic fiction
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 09: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Slave psychology is when a person is a slave in the soul, and then he will do everything that they order, and fight too.

        This is precisely slavish psychology, and a believer will not execute a criminal order. He will not shoot children and do similar things.
  7. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 06: 55 New
    +4
    Photos take a closer look, yeah:



    Quote: vladsolo56
    why did you decide that the slaves never fought, even on the side of their masters. Slave psychology is when a person is a slave in the soul, and then he will do everything that they order, and fight too. But in war everything is simple, either you or you. Read the story in it many examples when slaves fought defending their masters.

    And where did you get the idea that these veterans have slave psychology?
    This is how they took and attributed to the Orthodox their complexes without giving any articulate grounds.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 2 May 2013 06: 59 New
      10
      just can't do without it
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  8. Tartary
    Tartary 2 May 2013 06: 57 New
    12
    I repeat once again, for a Muslim, a ban on wearing a hijab is actually a ban on Islam.

    "MIC": How do you propose to solve the problem?

    “I don’t see any problem here.” Why can't we study together, sit at the same desk, or even just be friends with two classmates, one of whom is wearing a hijab and the other isn’t? The girl in the hijab remains the same student with all the requirements for her. I can even assume that a Muslim woman will have a better time, since she will have more time to study, to study, than from her social friend, who needs to watch TV and flirt with boys. A real Muslim woman will not do this.

    And in fact, why can’t you study and sit at one desk or even just be friends with two classmates when one goes to school in a hijab and the other in a Russian sundress and kokoshnik?
    And an Orthodox boy will come to class in a Cossack Circassian, in a papakha and with a saber - http://www.zimovaya.ru/statji/kazachjya-odezhda-3.html
    and another in the Russian braid, trousers and always with an ax behind the belt ... - http://www.rus-svyat.ru/publications/99/

    There are also Buddhists in Russia - let them go to the schools of Chechnya and the Caucasus together with the Russians and go there in their religious robes and sabers - http://www.theravada.ru/Life/Vopros/buddist.htm

    Russia is a secular state !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Let the children wear hijabs, Circassians, harem pants, miniskirts, etc., etc. after school at home and on the street how much will fit ...
    In schools, secondary and higher educational institutions, enterprises, etc., Russian citizens must observe secular dress, and not stick out their traditions and foundations ...

    Children in schools need a school uniform! And what’s on the head - in a scarf girls will come or boys in hats - it does not matter ...

    And then, as in a joke:
    - hear, why is he so stooping when walking?
    - But he is a weightlifter ...
    - and if I yo ... r, then do I have to go forward groin?
    1. Tartary
      Tartary 2 May 2013 09: 36 New
      +7
      And then one here from Chechnya directly declares: - "I dream to come to a meeting of the State Duma of the Russian Federation in a hijab ..."
      And why is she, a fool, drawn in a hijab to show off in parliament?
      Is that crazy? Or does fetishism prevail?
      Or does Orthodoxy want to "spit" such an act in the face? And just Russia?

      Why does it not occur to me to go to the parliament of Chechnya, for example, in the Scottish kilt? In white knee-highs, a cap with a bells, with a bagpipe and no panties under the skirt?
      After all, the whole world knows that, for example, a woman in a traditional kimono does not wear underwear - from which a Japanese man, seeing such a woman (beautiful), falls into a puppy delight, like Europeans from a wet T-shirt on their chests of the third size ...
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 2 May 2013 10: 18 New
      +6
      Quote: Tartary
      Let the children wear hijabs, Circassians, harem pants, miniskirts, etc., etc. after school at home and on the street how much will fit ...
      In schools, secondary and higher educational institutions, enterprises, etc., Russian citizens must observe secular dress, and not stick out their traditions and foundations ...

      I completely agree with this.
    3. Siberian
      Siberian 2 May 2013 12: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Tartary
      In schools, secondary and higher educational institutions, enterprises, etc., Russian citizens must observe secular dress, and not stick out their traditions and foundations ...


      if you the concept of "secular foundations" include panties sticking out from under the skirt of a schoolgirl (which I noticed more than once), then it is necessary to revise these "foundations" so that they do not disagree with the Russian NATIONAL moral norms. If the severity in clothes is at the level of Russian national norms, but in secular formthen Orthodox believers, Muslims and Buddhists will not mind.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 2 May 2013 12: 46 New
        0
        Quote: SIBERIAN
        if you the concept of "secular foundations" include panties sticking out from under the skirt of a schoolgirl (which I noticed more than once), then it is necessary to revise these "foundations" so that they do not disagree with the Russian NATIONAL moral norms.

        Well, I’m straight and I don’t know what to answer to this ...
        I do not pay attention to the panties of schoolgirls - they are children and they are children ...
        And then first the panties of schoolgirls, then the panties of preschoolers - and there it is not far from the sinful article, and to whom the heart attack ... You’ll take care of yourself ... stop
        1. Tartary
          Tartary 2 May 2013 15: 07 New
          +3
          Damn, there are a lot of observers for schoolgirls - judging by the number of minuses ...
          The main thing is that there are minuses (and x. With them), but there is no motivated explanation for the desire to put a minus - in general, there’s no reason to ...
          But, here's what I wanted to add: - together with short skirts and panties sticking out from under them, then it is extremely necessary to prohibit women's figure skating, women's rhythmic and artistic gymnastics, diving, synchronized swimming, and just swimming - let them swim in long skirts or trousers-golif, and for one "support group" of sports teams, tk. they are real evil!
          I noticed that part of the fans of the half-match just do not see request, but they go to the "support group", moreover, to season tickets ... lol
          Beach volleyball and other games involving women should also be banned? Yes, and then finally, women with the beach!
          Guys! It turns out that some men will soon begin to go to the beaches!
          On the "wild beaches", too, some horses will go - everything is gone ... There will be nowhere to put eyes on the weaker sex ... Longing-ah-ah ...
          And after that someone will say that tolerance and homosexuality are rushing from the West?

          Oh well..............
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 2 May 2013 15: 23 New
            +1
            By the way, I haven’t met a single one who was sick (an average of 9000 thousand people go to the stadium) who would say that they don’t want to see this)
            1. Tartary
              Tartary 2 May 2013 15: 41 New
              +2
              Well, what am I talking about?
              Quote: Gleb
              By the way, I haven’t met a single one who was sick (an average of 9000 thousand people go to the stadium) who would say that they don’t want to see this)

              Art is such a thing ... "It's not a trifle for you to pick on your pockets" (c) and peep on dresses for non-schoolgirls ... drinks
              Cheer for Cupid! Cupid, GO-E-E-E-ED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              1. Hleb
                Hleb 2 May 2013 15: 57 New
                +2
                I always respected this team. With such a budget, geographic location and so selflessly play! Yortik was sorry to miss. But Petruzhalek returned.
                1. Tartary
                  Tartary 2 May 2013 16: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Gleb
                  I always respected this team. With such a budget, geographic location and so selflessly play! Yortik was sorry to miss. But Petruzhalek returned.

                  Thank you for your kind words - everything is so ...
                  News - Vladivostok got a place in the KHL, Mogilny became the coach of the new team ... If the Vladivostotsk arena is not ready for the season, then the team will intrigue on Khabarovsk ice.
                  Now I will root for two teams from the extreme east of the Russian Federation ... good
  9. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 07: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: vladsolo56
    who told you that during the war these people were believers.


    Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, pilot-cosmonaut Georgy Grechko:

    Why do I believe? Because during the war, not even at the front, but in the rear or in the occupation, as happened to me, a man has no other hope but for God. And I can tell you that then almost everyone was a believer.

    http://www.newizv.ru/society/2007-04-12/67775-dvazhdy-geroj-sovetskogo-sojuza-le

    tchik-kosmonavt-georgij-grechko.html
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 2 May 2013 08: 04 New
      +3
      Tell me when he lied, in the days of the USSR when he was a communist and claimed that there is no God, or now when he claims the opposite.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 2 May 2013 09: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: vladsolo56
        when he was a communist and claimed that there is no God

        And what, from the Communists MANDATORY demanded? belay I don’t remember this, although I received my party card back in 1983 ... what
  10. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 07: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Gleb
    just can't do without it

    His disagreement with the position of S. Chapnin was expressed by the spokesman for the Patriarch prot. Vladimir Vigilyansky (“Worshiping the Eternal Flame is a pagan act, but people who come to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and lay wreaths, they don’t worship fire, they pay tribute to the fallen ”), Chairman of SINFO V. Legoyda and prot. Vsevolod Chaplin
    http://www.pravmir.ru/vechnyj-ogon-i-xristianskaya-zhizn-yazycheskix-simvolov-vi

    deo /
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 2 May 2013 07: 23 New
      +2
      Vladimir Vigilyansky took a more moderate position, emphasizing, although inendless fire and unacceptable to Christians
  11. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 07: 14 New
    0
    Quote: vladsolo56
    But even if so, why did you decide that the slaves never fought, even on the side of their masters.

    Tell it to them:


    [Center]


    [/ Center]
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 2 May 2013 07: 36 New
      +9
      As I already wrote, arguing with believers is useless, because I will not argue with you. However, I cannot understand why the articles are being written, the only reasonable explanation is to convince believers that atheists are enemies. After all, the article clearly indicates that all the troubles are from atheists. Well, someone wants to announce a crusade (or with a crescent) campaign against atheists. I imagine how spiritual, spiritualized believers will smash atheists. Already in the State Duma they adopted a law protecting the feelings of believers, under this law anyone who claims that there is no God is subject to criminal punishment. As for slaves, slaves really do not like when someone does not want to be the same as them, in history there are a lot of examples when the same slaves slaughter anyone who does not want to be like them.
      I repeat once again, it is useless to argue with believers. I have never tried and never try to turn someone away from the faith. I draw attention to the growing intolerance towards atheists.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 07: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: vladsolo56
        I draw attention to the growing intolerance towards atheists.

        You provoke it yourself! Note that believers do not crawl over to you, namely, you get into all the articles about faith, although the ATHEIST should be deeply parallel to them for you, but no ... you get into each article and argue. It is you who go with attacks on believers who do not give you peace. Knock yourself on the chest, telling everyone about the infringement of their rights. Just do not understand who infringes you there.
        As for true believers, they will not take bribes, they will not steal, they will not kill for the sake of money and profit. These are other people and they have different values ​​in their heart !!!
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 2 May 2013 08: 01 New
          +3
          I’ll ask again, why are such articles necessary? who are they for? I don’t write comments about whether God exists or not, I don’t climb with my comments on religious sites, I write because the question is who are atheists? and this directly affects my beliefs. In your opinion, if they mix me with shit, I should pretend that it does not concern me. Do you think there are few believers in temples and special religious sites. Why do they conduct propaganda everywhere, what is the point of such behavior.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 08: 30 New
            -2
            Quote: vladsolo56
            I’ll ask again, why are such articles necessary?

            For people who are interested in this topic.
            Quote: vladsolo56
            who are they for?
            Definitely not on you.
            Quote: vladsolo56
            In your opinion, if I'm mixed with shit, I have to pretend that it does not concern me

            Where is your name in the article? Who mixed you when? There are 4-5 of you here for whom the topic of religion is like a red rag for a bull. It starts to turn you inside out when such topics are put, but not by admins, not by moderators, not by visitors to the site, they do not invite you to this topic. You yourself run here first and yell at the whole site, leave us alone. Who touches you? You do it yourself and no one else !!!
          2. Atlon
            Atlon 2 May 2013 09: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: vladsolo56
            I’ll ask again, why are such articles necessary? who are they for? I don’t write comments about whether God exists or not, I don’t climb with my comments on religious sites, I write because the question is who are atheists? and this directly affects my beliefs. In your opinion, if they mix me with shit, I should pretend that it does not concern me. Do you think there are few believers in temples and special religious sites. Why do they conduct propaganda everywhere, what is the point of such behavior.

            Build your site, and carefully monitor its anti-religiosity! You are not alone here, and therefore you do not need to teach the rest how to live! Do not like the article, read another! I don’t like much either, I just don’t read or discuss such articles.
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 2 May 2013 08: 45 New
          +4
          It’s true, Alexander! I take preferably believers to my work. I’ve been convinced more than once, even if you don’t come to work for a month, there will be no shortage
        3. Anti
          Anti 2 May 2013 09: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          As for true believers, they will not take bribes, they will not steal, they will not kill for the sake of money and profit. These are other people and they have different values ​​in their heart !!!


          Are you a believer?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 09: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: Anti

            Are you a believer?

            Yes. I don’t need to ask about sins, I have them above the roof.
            1. Anti
              Anti 2 May 2013 09: 35 New
              +3
              Strange, sinned, the priest will let go and again you can what
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 09: 37 New
                +2
                Quote: Anti
                Strange, sinned, the priest will let go and again you can

                You are talking about Kataliks, in Orthodoxy this is not.
                1. Anti
                  Anti 2 May 2013 09: 40 New
                  0
                  Then tell me, why are you going to confess to the priest?
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 09: 47 New
                    0
                    Quote: Anti
                    Then tell me, why are you going to confess to the priest?

                    To save the soul.
                    1. Anti
                      Anti 2 May 2013 09: 57 New
                      0
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      To save the soul.


                      Shura save your soul, you sin here on the site, i.e. remove the rating from visitors, put together a gang, save before it’s too late, I don’t wish you any harm.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 10: 45 New
                        0
                        Quote: Anti

                        Shura save your soul

                        Well, and what do you think, the clever just said, or so, within the framework of allowing intelligence.
                      2. Anti
                        Anti 2 May 2013 10: 58 New
                        -4
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        as part of an enabling intelligence.


                        how warm, than rich. I understand that not everyone will like to read such things about themselves, but a fact is a fact. Communicate will become easier! You can also have priests here.
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 11: 01 New
                        0
                        Quote: Anti
                        . Communion will become easier!

                        I’ve lost a lot of comments, there’s where to put a minus. Then a stupid conversation with ...... does not make sense and is therefore over.
                      4. Anti
                        Anti 2 May 2013 11: 08 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Further, a stupid conversation with ...... does not make sense and is therefore over.


                        would clarify that there for a word, dots indicate a? intelligence is not enough request
                      5. Anti
                        Anti 2 May 2013 20: 06 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        from ......


                        You are it.
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                      7. Anti
                        Anti 2 May 2013 20: 35 New
                        0
                        with vaf for a couple
              2. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 3 May 2013 05: 07 New
                +1
                Quote: Anti
                remove the rating from visitors, put together a gang

                Already I just want to make a list of those concerned about the rating and let everyone else put a plus there and it’s painful to watch how the kids are going through crying wassat
              3. Anti
                Anti 3 May 2013 08: 21 New
                0
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Already I just want to make a list of those concerned about the rating and let everyone else put a plus there and it’s painful to watch how the kids are going through


                Everything is all right, do not worry about the "kids", yourself somehow without your gang angry
        4. avt
          avt 2 May 2013 10: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Anti
          Then tell me, why are you going to confess to the priest?

          It’s better not to go to the priest, if you believe you have to go to the priest. Well, of course, when you understand the difference between these two concepts.
          1. Anti
            Anti 2 May 2013 10: 46 New
            -1
            Quote: avt
            It’s better not to go to the priest, if you believe you have to go to the priest. Well, of course, when you understand the difference between these two concepts.


            Why do I need them? Somehow I myself without intermediaries, directly.
            1. avt
              avt 2 May 2013 11: 15 New
              +3
              Quote: Anti
              Why do I need them?

              request And who directs you? What is the question - that is the answer.
    2. avt
      avt 2 May 2013 10: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Anti
      Strange, sinned, the priest will let go and again you can

      This is kind for the "candlesticks" who believe that with the purchase of candles and the paid "services" of the priests, everything ends. Typical consumer society's perception of religion.
      1. Anti
        Anti 2 May 2013 10: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: avt
        Typical perception of religion brought up by consumer society.

        everything is true here, it is.
  • Atlon
    Atlon 2 May 2013 09: 12 New
    0
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Already in the State Duma they adopted a law protecting the feelings of believers, under this law anyone who claims that there is no God is subject to criminal punishment.

    You are at least lying ...
    And about the criminal punishment ... And you try in Israel, to declare that there was no Holocaust! wink
    Quote: vladsolo56
    I draw attention to the growing intolerance towards atheists.

    Homosexuals are also atheists. For sodomy is Godly action. Do you want to cultivate tolerance for sodomites with us?
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 2 May 2013 10: 04 New
    +4
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Well, someone wants to announce a crusade (or with a crescent) campaign against atheists. I represent how spiritual, spiritualized believers will smash atheists.

    But you don’t need to imagine the opposite, just remember ...
    Quote: vladsolo56
    I draw attention to the growing intolerance towards atheists.

    Precisely to atheists? Maybe this is simply a tendency of increasing intolerance in society? To dissenters of any orientation? what
  • does it
    does it 2 May 2013 14: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    I repeat once again, it is useless to argue with believers. I have never tried and never try to turn someone away from the faith.

    I once answered nonsense so to me in response "you have a bobo head" "what do people need !? a spoon, a cup and a Bible" in response to the latter, I answered, but what about theater, poetry, science, literature, art !! ?? answer; all this is from Satan (and a little sick so immediately to the doctors)
    Quote: vladsolo56
    I draw attention to the growing intolerance towards atheists.

    here everything is just the more the flock, the more power, money. I am outraged by their treacherous actions; in Ivanovo, to the victory parks in Naberezhnye Chelny, St. Petersburg. I observe attempts to replace the memory of ancestors with candles and icons and incomprehensible repentances. incomprehensible attempts the prohibition of exhibitions, the imposition of dress codes in the secular world, but when people begin to point out the shortcomings of the church itself, the answer is one we are "mediators of God"
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 2 May 2013 14: 34 New
      -2
      Quote: kvirit
      everything is simple, the more flocks the more power, money.

      Another moldy anti-religious slogan.


      I observe attempts to replace the memory of the ancestors with candles and icons and incomprehensible repentance

      And then you wipe your eyes and remove anti-religious glasses. Study the history of the Orthodox Church, for example, about the temple-monuments in honor of the victory of Russian weapons, the commemoration of the dead soldiers in the churches.


      .unclear attempts to ban exhibitions

      This is not an exhibition. This is a liberal Mr., with the help of which liberal human rights activists of a pro-Western orientation tried and are trying to incite hatred between our people.


      imposing dress codes in the secular world

      Lies. It was suggested that the SOCIAL society itself to develop standards of behavior and wearing decent clothes in cultural places.
      No, of course you can continue to follow the path of geyropa and euro-trade, but I doubt that this will lead you to something positive.












      Etc.



      This happens every weekend in every city in England! These are the features of national culture. They even have a name for this lawlessness - binge drinking, in England ALL ALL YOUTH (gold, including young ladies) are drinking, which is most surprising, they are extremely proud of it and the next day they tell each other with rapture who puke, fucked and hit the face and who where and when disconnected.

      These photos clearly show how the "alcohol" of a person is "scribbled". All these people need is to eat, drink, have sex, relieve their needs (in a public place, why the animal needs norms of behavior), sleep ... wait for the weekend and again devour, drink, have sex, relieve the need, etc.

      I get the impression that it is from these “people” that a new species of monkeys will appear.


      http://www.russlav.ru/alkogolizm/degradaciya-lichnosti.html


      , but when the people begin to point out the shortcomings of the church itself, then the answer is one we are "God's mediators"

      Lies again. Who answered that? Why engage in postscripts and categorically declare that which was not and cannot be by definition?
      1. does it
        does it 2 May 2013 16: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: GreatRussia
        And then you wipe your eyes and remove anti-religious glasses. Study the history of the Orthodox Church, for example, about the temple-monuments in honor of the victory of Russian weapons, the commemoration of the dead soldiers in the churches.

        I don’t need to take off my glasses, I simply don’t have them. I meant today they will build chapels in the victory parks tomorrow these parks will completely protect this church territory from the people with the wording. and about the temple-monuments were not talking.




        This is not an exhibition. This is a liberal Mr., with the help of which liberal human rights activists of a pro-Western orientation tried and are trying to foment hatred between our peoples.
        You gave a lot more than the answer ...
        Quote: GreatRussia
        No, of course you can continue to follow the path of geyropa and euro-trade, but I doubt that this will lead you to something positive.

        I did not expect to hear anything else from you. You forgot to probably mention that all of the above live on benefits from Uncle Obama fulfilling Dulles’s plan ...
      2. GG2012
        GG2012 2 May 2013 16: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: GreatRussia
        And then you wipe your eyes and remove anti-religious glasses. Study the history of the Orthodox Church,

        Smart ass! First read this story of the Christian Church, and then I drool about its spirituality, about the peace and love that it brings to life ...
        link: http://www.a-theism.com/2013/02/blog-post_6003.html

        In the pictures ... people in an ugly and bestial state ... however, we also have enough of this shit ...
        1. Anti
          Anti 2 May 2013 19: 56 New
          0
          Quote: GG2012
          http://www.a-theism.com/2013/02/blog-post_6003.html


          Strong thing.
          1. Anti
            Anti 2 May 2013 20: 13 New
            -1
            GreatRussia

            read, recommend you.
            I minced in almost all the posts!
  • GG2012
    GG2012 2 May 2013 21: 16 New
    +4
    Quote: vladsolo56
    However, I cannot understand why the articles are being written, the only reasonable explanation is to convince believers that atheists are enemies.

    Supplement you ...
    and what the hell, this sheep ... grazed (Magomedrasul-Hazrat), began to speak on behalf of the state ??? !!!
    Quote "Problems in the state from atheists, etc."
    Did someone authorize him?
    Sit in the aul, take care of your parishioners there, ... but it doesn't ... he has a horn span ... nationwide ... he wants the government, budget funding, a separate line in the Law "On the State Budget" for each year .. ...

    The business of believers is to engage in their faith and not go into state affairs !!!
  • Anti
    Anti 2 May 2013 20: 17 New
    +1
    knocked down one side, substitute the other ....?
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 07: 26 New
    -4
    Quote: Gleb
    Vladimir Vigilyansky took a more moderate position, emphasizing although eternal flame is unacceptable to Christians

    Right. Christians are not fire worshipers. But then worship is not fire:

    ... but the people who come to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and lay wreaths, don't worship fire, they pay tribute to the fallen") ..
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 2 May 2013 09: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: GreatRussia
      Right. Christians are not fire worshipers. But then worship is not fire:

      The temples are also full of fire. In general, it is not clear what the problem is? Lamps, candles, is this not fire? But what about the "blessed fire" that descends on Easter?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 09: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Atlon
        But what about the "blessed fire" that descends on Easter?

        This fire is not lit by a man. Then this fire disperses throughout the world, it is from this fire that candles are lit in Temples.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 07: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Already in the State Duma adopted a law protecting the feelings of believers,

    When did they manage there? Am I missing something?

    Quote: vladsolo56

    under this law, anyone claiming that there is no God is subject to criminal punishment.

    Do you yourself believe in what you broadcast? Not?

    Quote: vladsolo56
    I imagine how spiritual, spiritualized believers will smash atheists.

    I sympathize with you and your imagination.

    Quote: vladsolo56
    As I already wrote, arguing with believers is useless, because I will not argue with you.

    Did I mention my religion or atheism somewhere? ))))
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 2 May 2013 07: 43 New
      0
      and you take an interest already have convictions. it’s true only with fines, but everyone in front may well be put in jail, now everything depends only on prosecutors and judges.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 2 May 2013 10: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: vladsolo56
        everyone ahead may well imprison, now everything depends only on prosecutors and judges.
        And in the most ordinary accident involving a major or an official, everything will depend on the prosecutor and the judge? what
        Let me remind you that according to your own words, the article is titled "About PROTECTION of feelings ...", and not "About PUNISHMENT ..." Do you really think that ONLY your feelings need protection, and the rest of the citizens will be trampled? IMHO, this article of the law is just an attempt to somehow limit extremism and intolerance of some in relation to others
      2. Atlon
        Atlon 2 May 2013 15: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: vladsolo56
        and you take an interest already have convictions.

        No need to pretend to be the smartest! This is one of the types of trolling, send your opponent to Google ... As someone who knows about such "facts", please put them on public display! And then your quote is not only illiterate and not reasoned, but also smells bad taste!
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 07: 45 New
    0
    Quote: vladsolo56
    I draw attention to the growing intolerance towards atheists.

    Well, if you call these atheists, then yes, patience can burst:
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 2 May 2013 07: 53 New
      +2
      you, as always, did not bother to carefully read what I wrote. These are not atheists, they are brainless atheists. It turns out that it’s convenient to classify such morons as atheists,
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 08: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: vladsolo56
        . It turns out that it’s convenient to classify such morons as atheists,

        The fact is that these people also have no faith, they too, like you, oppose the faith. A person is not a believer, an atheist. They are like you say
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Everything just let the church leave us alone, let it be occupied by believers. For example, I’m very unpleasant when the church breaks into school, into the army

        You first of all put your own Self, ME. Believers are on the site, but this does not bother you with the main thing, which would be your way. But with all this, not one believer does not force you to pray, you are not forced to go to church. But you are against that other people would have such a choice.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 07: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov

    You provoke it yourself! Note that believers do not crawl over to you, namely, you get into all the articles about faith, although the ATHEIST should be deeply parallel to them for you, but no ... you get into each article and argue. It is you who go with attacks on believers who do not give you peace. Knock yourself on the chest, telling everyone about the infringement of their rights. Just do not understand who infringes you there.
    As for true believers, they will not take bribes, they will not steal, they will not kill for the sake of money and profit. These are other people and they have different values ​​in their heart !!!


    Golden words!
    Happy Victory Day!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 07: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: GreatRussia
      Happy Victory Day!

      Mutually! You too with the upcoming Easter holidays and May 9!
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 07: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    and you take an interest already have convictions. it’s true only with fines, but everyone in front may well be put in jail, now everything depends only on prosecutors and judges.

    I was interested of course.
    Nothing related to your fears and horror stories there and did not stand close.
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 2 May 2013 07: 52 New
    0
    here is a reference for you, and this is just one of: look and do not say that this cannot be http://www.bible.com.ua/news/r/47041
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 07: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    you, as always, did not bother to carefully read what I wrote. These are not atheists, they are brainless atheists. It turns out that it’s convenient to classify such morons as atheists,

    You are an atheist J. Alferov, to whom I constantly refer, listen to what he says about his fellow priests, about the Russian Orthodox Church and the horror stories I hope you will decrease:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVsP53nkxqQ
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 2 May 2013 08: 11 New
      +4
      Everything just let the church leave us alone, let it be occupied by believers. For example, I am very unpleasant when the church breaks into school, into the army. Maybe J. Alferov has his own attitude to the church, I have my own. Who said that I should take an example from someone. Who said that Alferov is an undeniable authority. And in general, why should I believe that he is generally an atheist?
      1. EwgenyZ
        EwgenyZ 2 May 2013 08: 46 New
        +2
        Vladimir, are you afraid of something? Are you afraid that the priests at school will teach children not to steal, respectfully treat their parents, not to thump in the alleyways, not to start sex life at the age of 13 (or even earlier), to teach "Our Father"? ..... Well, duck I will tell you that this will not happen, this is all taught in "Sunday Schools". There will be no "God's Law" at school, we have a secular state, and not only Orthodox children go to school. The basics of Orthodox culture is an introductory course, nothing more.
        1. Rrv
          Rrv 2 May 2013 19: 01 New
          0
          Quote: EwgenyZ
          This is an orientation course, nothing more.


          mosvedi.ru/news/pravoslavniy-mir/rpc/1325/
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 08: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    here is a reference for you, and this is just one of: look and do not say that this cannot be http://www.bible.com.ua/news/r/47041

    What can not be?
    Did you read what you suggested?
    From your link:
    .Atheist teacher refused to teach and take tests from students professing Orthodoxy.

    Excuse me, but as if this one, so to speak .... teacher not related to someone else's worldview, this is a complete discredit of CITIZENS.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 2 May 2013 08: 19 New
      +3
      read carefully, it is clearly written according to the version of the prosecution, this is the first, second statements of students forced to write the leaders of the educational institution, if forced then it is quite possible to admit dictation. choose from the text only what is beneficial to you, at least not correctly. But the point is not even that, the question should not be decided in court, but in the administration of the educational institution. Someone needed to get him to court? arrange a show trial?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 2 May 2013 10: 56 New
        0
        Quote: vladsolo56
        But the point is not even that, the question should not be decided in court, but in the administration of the educational institution. Someone needed to get him to court?
        Probably to those who broadcast on any occasion: "Are you dissatisfied with something? Go to court ..."
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 08: 05 New
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    Quote: vladsolo56
    In your opinion, if they mix me with shit, I should pretend that it does not concern me.

    Who and where mixes you with this substance? What are you talking about?

    Quote: vladsolo56

    Do you think there are few believers in temples and special religious sites

    And what, believers have ceased to be citizens?
    Well, separate them completely then send on the reservation ...
    Mdja ...
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 08: 06 New
    -1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Tell me when he lied, in the days of the USSR when he was a communist and claimed that there is no God, or now when he claims the opposite.

    Where did he claim that there is no God?
    What makes you think that a communist should definitely not be a believer?
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 08: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Everything just let the church leave us alone, let it be occupied by believers. For example, I am very unpleasant when the church breaks into school, into the army.

    The church does not fit in the school. This time. The military-industrial complex is a subject of choice between Secular Ethics and OMP, and the subject is conducted by secular teachers.
    In the army, no one forces you to go to the priest, priest, etc.
    And believing CITIZENS need it.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 08: 16 New
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    Quote: vladsolo56
    Who said that Alferov is an undeniable authority. And anyway, why should I believe Is he an atheist at all?

    Sorry, your faith doesn’t interest me.
    Good luck!
    Happy Holidays!
  • taseka
    taseka 2 May 2013 08: 18 New
    +1
    Everyone will know their faith and truth when they leave this world! He finds out his place there - according to his business !!!
  • individual
    individual 2 May 2013 08: 42 New
    -1
    Liberators of all stripes have taken over the media, politics, economics, settled in government and climb into the soul of a person. The ideology of building a just society has been taken away from us, and those wishing to profess religious teachings are ostracized. This applies to a greater extent to Orthodoxy. The corruption continues, but there is no sign of "a united resistance from society.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 08: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: individ
      The corruption continues, but there is no sign of a united opposition from society.

      You look at the western corruption, there is corruption !!! And the rebuff of society goes on in full, thousands go to gay parades.
      1. individual
        individual 2 May 2013 09: 31 New
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        Judging by how you minus, do you support the stalling of my country in the swamp of homosexuals?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 May 2013 10: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: individ
          Judging by how you minus, do you support the stalling of my country in the swamp of homosexuals?

          180 degrees vice versa.
  • individual
    individual 2 May 2013 08: 54 New
    +1
    QUOTE: Baranets - Venediktov: "What are you, boy, fell from a cart as a child?"

    I would like to add: " And he ordered a haircut "come to my cave".
  • Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 2 May 2013 09: 01 New
    +4
    From the article
    One scientist came to the ruler - Sultan Omar and said: "Occupy people with labor, otherwise they will choose harmful occupations for themselves." And we have people in many regions, youth do not want to work, and study too. So there are harmful thoughts, protest moods.
    That's the most important thing, hiding behind religion and the fight against infidels, you can not work and engage in robberies.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 09: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Vladimir 70
    That's the most important thing, hiding behind religion and the fight against infidels, you can not work and engage in robberies.

    You can overlap with anything.
    The Yankees, overlapping with democracy, are bombing and occupying entire states.
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    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 2 May 2013 11: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Mangust_ali
      God, how many PGMnuti / IgMnuti still live in the 21st century then. vladsolo56 - a man says real things, to what he came to his life with his mind, and not how you - read / heard all nonsense (religion) and believe like sheep. Listen to the elder and really wise, suckers.

      Hey, are you so impudent for the campaign? Who are you to call rams people here and feel their faith faithless? In the face of a Muslim, say this and guess about the duration of your life. name of our Imam.
      1. Ram chandra
        Ram chandra 2 May 2013 14: 05 New
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        Oh oh palehchi parin! (And how to talk to such people ?!) By the way, he bears my name.
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          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 2 May 2013 19: 00 New
            +1
            Don’t worry, Yeraz! Fikir verme. Everyone speaks according to their level of intelligence.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 2 May 2013 23: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: xetai9977
              Don’t worry, Yeraz! Fikir verme. Everyone speaks according to their level of intelligence.

              Partlayiram.Takix intelektualov kaspiyskoe dno jdet ne dojdetsya.
          2. Ram chandra
            Ram chandra 3 May 2013 09: 13 New
            -1
            The young man once again proved what gentlemen are fanatics.
            Namely - insults, the threat of reprisal by life - chopping off the head. Well, just some kind of beast!
            By the way, I myself was a Muslim - until I became wiser and thought myself - with my head. In life, the head did not boil - honestly.
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 3 May 2013 10: 01 New
              -1
              Quote: Mangust_ali
              By the way, I myself was Muslim - not yet

              Until he changed one faith to another:

              Quote: Mangust_ali
              Lord! This book should put everything in its place for reasonably reasonable people! Believer or not. The author says that after reading these reasonably reasonable people will become atheists. http://lib.rus.ec/b/180989/read I myself just started reading, but most likely - the views of the author coincide with mine.

              Those. I didn’t read it, but already believed it and began to agitate. smile
              As they say, no comment!
              1. Ram chandra
                Ram chandra 3 May 2013 15: 45 New
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                But you didn’t read the Koran (it’s impossible to read it by the way), and believe! You - I appeal to everyone.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 2 May 2013 19: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: Mangust_ali
          Oh oh palehchi parin! (And how to talk to such people ?!) By the way, he bears my name.

          you bear the name mongoose!
          And your parents giving you the name of this great person like Khazret Ali hoped that you would at least be like him !!
          But you did not live up to expectations and became a mongoose !!
          1. Ram chandra
            Ram chandra 3 May 2013 09: 14 New
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            Actually, they gave me the name of the singer .. But as they say - you can see the name of your god in the sheep’s wool, what’s there!
  • Grbear
    Grbear 2 May 2013 09: 46 New
    +7
    Gentlemen, believers or atheists.

    You are trying to convince each other that you are right, forgetting that both religion and the state, as a social and political entity, rely on the same thing - the people. The state does not care what religion is professed in it. It is important for him to what extent religions influence his stability and vitality. The secular state is looking for a balance and hopes for a reciprocal movement from religions, the authoritarian suppresses something, and radical religious movements and rabid dogmatism lead to the suppression of any development (the Orthodox Middle Ages, the current "Arab springs"). So, there is no point in discussing "who is to the right". He who is weaker becomes an instrument.

    I don't care who and what god is praying to. But I will not allow to run down the altar in the back and throw the guts of rams under my windows, and religion has nothing to do with it. I simply respect others and demand the same in relation to myself.
    1. Vladimir 70
      Vladimir 70 2 May 2013 09: 57 New
      +7
      I don't care who and what god is praying to. But I will not allow to run down the altar in the back and throw the guts of rams under my windows, and religion has nothing to do with it. I simply respect others and demand the same in relation to myself.
      We conclude that religion should be separated from the state. Caesar is Caesarean, and God is God
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 09: 50 New
    -3
    Quote: Mangust_ali
    God, how many PGMnuti / IgMnuti still live in the 21st century then. vladsolo56

    Why stoop to insults?
    You are not called AGMnut.

    - the man says real things, to what he came to his life with his mind,

    And all the others, with the opposite of your worldview, which you compare with cattle, a stranger?


    and not like you - read / heard all sorts of nonsense (religion) and believe like sheep. Listen to the elder and really wise, suckers.

    What do you believe in? The self-emergence of DNA and descent from monkeys? Well, show for example the transitional species from Australopithecus to HOMO.
  • Opera
    Opera 2 May 2013 09: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: vladsolo56
    It is useless to argue with a believer; faith is very beneficial. We blame everything on God, all troubles and troubles, or vice versa. It is convenient when you are prescribed what to do, what not to do, how to dress, what to eat. In essence, man is reduced to a pet

    Quote: vladsolo56
    It is useless to argue with believers, because any religion educates a slave from birth, and a slave from birth will never become a free man.

    That's an interesting thing, and after these words a person says do not touch me, leave me alone, do not meddle with me !!! It seems that in order not to interfere with your services in the temples should probably be carried out exclusively at night. Apparently something has to be done with the bells as well. probably ringing a bell annoys you to the extreme! So what ?! The Syria you cited as an example, as an example of the harmful influence of religion, is generally blasphemy! In Syria, Muslims and Christians are killed, about 10 percent of whom are under the knives of essentially Satanists, with the support of the West, which has long since departed from Christian values ​​and is just as godless!
    You are right in one thing - atheists are different! It is everyone’s business to believe or not! Nobody touches atheists unless they are militant!
  • fenix57
    fenix57 2 May 2013 09: 57 New
    +4
    Hello!
    Quote: vladsolo56
    . Christianity no longer suits those who seek to rule the world. It is too weak and does not have that effect. But Islam yes, it controls everything, as I wrote behavior, clothes, and food. A person becomes absolutely controllable, controlled.

    I would say - Orthodoxy does not suit those who want to "rule the world" .. hi
    1. Rrv
      Rrv 2 May 2013 19: 09 New
      -3
      Quote: fenix57
      I would say - Orthodoxy does not suit those who want to "rule the world"


      Is it possible that GRU Zbyshek has been recruited, and now he is giving out secret information in clear text?
      Or do such statements serve as a cover for the "sent Cossacks"?
  • UFO
    UFO 2 May 2013 10: 40 New
    +5
    As you wish, but I am almost sure that ISLAM is a religion that will "digest" itself. It seems like the youngest, and there are no fewer groups and trends than in Christianity. Radical - no other can compare. Even if only Muslims remain on Earth, they will still cut each other after theological disagreements. sad
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 2 May 2013 14: 29 New
      +2
      and wait a long time until Islam will digest itself? today is the birth rate of children in which families a concern? and tomorrow there will be another article on the site about the invasion of gays, prostitutes, alcoholism ... and what do you think, Christian or Islamic society will be described in the article?
      it doesn’t matter to me what’s abroad, but in our country I see when a Muslim supports a Muslim in a dispute. He first of all calls him his brother (without understanding who is essentially right, he or I / for example)
      and you have confidence that it will digest itself? maybe, but not in our lifetime
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 2 May 2013 11: 36 New
    +5
    waking up a natural interest in religion

    What is natural here? The herd simply lost the meaning of life and urgently needed another surrogate.
    Before the revolution, the father could transfer his religious experience to his son

    How can I share my experience? Neither Buddha was able to pass on his experience to his father, nor to the prophet Muhammad to his relatives, nor to Socrates or to anyone in history except for a few exceptions (this is a separate story).
    Everyone was afraid of the KGB

    First, not all, but now they are afraid of God !!!
    When young people saw that the ideological system - communism - collapses, they became disappointed in it

    And they decided to exchange for a more powerful one.
    But man cannot live without an idea, without faith. Where to go, how to live?

    It is urgent to give him a surrogate, and then he will begin to think.
    Unfortunately, Islam still has not received proper support from the state.

    That is, it did not become a state religion and did not merge with the state and did not receive taxes from all citizens.
    For the state to successfully fight pseudo-Islam, it must give its citizens the opportunity to recognize true Islam.

    If the difference between the true and the non-true were obvious, then the question would not have arisen, and so there are suspicions that there is no fundamental difference.
    One way out of the crisis is to expand the network of basic Islamic educational institutions - institutions and universities. It is necessary to attract even more competent scientists from the Arab countries, to pay them a decent salary.

    It suggests that this is about an organization and not about spirituality
    Pseudo-ideology based on pseudo-religion can be defeated only by a true ideology based on true religion

    Interestingly, he himself understood what he said? What is pseudo-ideology? And how does it differ from ideology?
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 2 May 2013 11: 37 New
    +6
    In Islam, everything is clear about this: from the age of 8–9 years, the girl must be closed, that is, dressed in a hijab. In Islam, this is a matter of principle ... to be precise, from the appearance, the realization of a Muslim begins. Compromises are unacceptable here.

    This is where the dog rummaged: for lack of spirituality, they hide in external tradition-rules.
    Is the state more important than any rules that change easily than the customs of one of the traditional religions - Islam? In this case, the state should be ready to escalate the confrontation, because, I repeat once again, for a Muslim the ban on wearing the hijab is actually a ban on Islam.

    The state is a rule for everyone, it is necessary to have the audacity to propose a custom rule (dubious) to apply to all where it is unacceptable to the majority and even threaten problems. They lived perfectly without these jabs, and now the prophet has forbidden everything.
    Many citizens have developed a connection at the instinct level: hijab means a suicide bomber

    It is not without reason that a woman in Islam is a second-rate being.
    Alas, the stereotypes of the atheistic past in our country are too strong.

    That’s good there is something to compare.
    In part, the lessons of the foundations of faith will help to solve the problem. On them, children and parents through them would be told about the foundations of faith, including Islam. We, the clergy of Dagestan, with both hands welcome the introduction of this subject in schools.
    All priests do not want to let their children grow up and accept a conscious choice.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 2 May 2013 19: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: Ivan.
      for lack of spirituality they hide in external traditions-rules.

      Is there no spirituality in ISLAM? is it in Islamic countries total drunkenness, debauchery, complete decomposition of morality? what kind of society are we talking about in Malakhov's programs, where a prostitute admits that she sleeps with the whole village, and her brother sits quietly beside her? husband admits that his wife is engaged in prostitution and "proudly" sits in the studio? pot calls the kettle black...
  • fenix57
    fenix57 2 May 2013 11: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: GrBear
    I don't care who and what god is praying to. But I will not allow to run down the altar in the back and throw the guts of rams under my windows, and religion has nothing to do with it. I simply respect others and demand the same in relation to myself.

    The word "Islam" is translated as "surrender to God," "humility," "obedience ...
    Orthodoxy (tracing-paper from the Greek. Ὀρθοδοξία - literally “correct judgment”, “correct teaching” or “correct praising” [1]) - a direction in Christianity that took shape in the east of the Roman Empire during the first millennium from the Nativity of Christ under the leadership and with the main role Department of the Bishop of Constantinople - New Rome.
    We draw conclusions ... hi
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 2 May 2013 11: 41 New
    +2
    The essence of the article is that people who repeat the state and religion separately do not understand that such a chip will not work fully, religion will be in the community. The conversation is that take up this religion because if you do not organize it, so to speak take control, and instead take it in ticks, a bearded uncle from Arabia will come and take control. The more pressure on religion, the more it explodes and spreads in the worst forms.
  • Bezarius
    Bezarius 2 May 2013 12: 14 New
    +3
    > but the authorities were not ready to give these people knowledge in full

    Interestingly, the author is not embarrassed that we live in a secular state, and the government should not sponsor the development of religion, especially Muslim.
    1. RPD
      RPD 2 May 2013 12: 30 New
      +3
      this is ordinary muslim blackmail and extortion. they say pay dibs otherwise extremists spawn
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 2 May 2013 13: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: RPD
        this is ordinary muslim blackmail and extortion. they say pay dibs otherwise extremists spawn

        No, this is a call to power, that the roots of constant terrorism in the Caucasus lie in ignoring Islam, and in some places in cases of hijab, playing along with radicals who will appeal to it when brainwashing.
        The bottom line is that Islam is radicalizing in the Caucasus and if the situation is not taken under control, the Saudis will take it under control, which can be said to be very successful in doing this.
        But some people immediately perceive this with hostility. Well, if you don’t do anything, a bearded man will come with brainwashed hands and a Kalash in his hands and a grenade in his bosom, it will just make some see that in order to eliminate the problem there is no need for endless special operations with victims, but first of all PREVENTIVE MEASURES !!! With the slogans we secular state of Muslims in Russia will not evaporate.
  • Oleg1986
    Oleg1986 2 May 2013 12: 23 New
    0
    “The well-known atheistic publicist Sam Harris writes:“ Most scientists who study human consciousness are convinced that consciousness is a product of the brain, and the brain is a product of evolution. ”The authors of the letter in support of cloning, signed in the color of the world's atheistic intelligentsia, also take approximately the same position: "The differences between human abilities and those of higher animals look quantitative, but not qualitative. The rich repertoire of human thoughts, feelings, aspirations and hopes, as we can see, comes from electrochemical processes in the brain, and not from some immaterial soul, whose activity cannot be detected by tools. ”.

    But Harris's thesis is grossly false - even an unbeliever can recognize (and many recognize) that consciousness is a product of culture, education, language, many humanitarian factors that cannot be reduced to patterns (models) developed during biological evolution. Moreover, they are not reduced to a set of electrochemical processes in the brain - just as the contents of the book are not reduced to black spots scattered on a white background. From the fact that the page in the Open Writer editor that I see in front of me, typing this text, is a product of computer work, and a computer is a product of the evolution of computer technology, it does not follow that the thoughts that I express in this article are a product of technology .

    Although the worldview statements of scientism are presented as scientific, they are outside of science - science has not proven (and will hardly prove) that “a rich repertoire of human thoughts, feelings, aspirations and hopes” is reduced to brain electrochemistry. This is not a scientific theory that can be substantiated; it is the creed (or anti-creed) that you are encouraged to believe. "
    Sergei Khudiyev
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 2 May 2013 12: 47 New
      +1
      Consciousness is a property of the universe, there is no non-living being in general everything is in motion a human body or a crystal of stone - from the same elements. Changes in consciousness immediately produce changes in the body, changes in the body with a slight additional delay produce changes in consciousness. The body is the main tool of consciousness in gaining experience, in self-awareness.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 2 May 2013 12: 31 New
    +2
    I am not against religion. Just some do not see the shore with her. That is, if you have assumed some obligations in the performance of rituals and wearing symbols, fulfill these obligations without prejudice to the rights of others. In general, I really look forward to a common secular ideology. And then with these religions confusion and vacillation. By the way, how are Muslim women in Chechnya fighting against their co-religionists?
  • Egoza
    Egoza 2 May 2013 12: 40 New
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    Dear! And let's digress a bit and remember (consider) the following.
    At the beginning of the 20th century, especially after the revolution, when many militant atheists appeared (and to be honest, many "went to the atheists" so that the church could be robbed), Orthodox priests often arranged public disputes with atheists, which won a "convincing victory." They were very literate, well-versed in history, able to conduct a discussion, possessing rhetoric, of course, had a very great influence on the people. Although sometimes they were defeated. QUESTION:
    Why now, when many sects divorced and radical movements are not held such disputes? They would have had a much greater impact than ordinary sermons. IMHO, of course.
    Further..."The church is separate from the state ... why is the state sponsoring my taxes?" On the one hand, this is true, but on the other - many temples, cathedrals, and laurels are not only constructions of a cult. These are also the largest monuments of antiquity, our history, and our traditions. And it is precisely the support of the state that helps to cope with all sorts of radicals who, for example, in Ukraine demand not to help the Kiev Pechersk Lavra, because Lavra belongs to the Moscow Patriarchate. It may be wiser to pose the question a little differently? To support their original religion, and let the "aliens" be sponsored by their own believers? Some people do that. for example, the Catholic University has been operating in Kiev for 15 years. Anyone is accepted, without exams. A diploma of theologians and philosophers of the European standard is issued. The families of the admitted receive humanitarian assistance ... taught by the Jesuits. Give in advance !!!! And the Roman Catholic Church and the Greek Catholic Church have already appeared. Yes, in Kiev, as they say, there were none! But they appeared - quietly, without noise ... AND WHERE IS THE ORTHODOXY LOOKING IN?
    CAN IT TIME ALREADY NOT TO BREAK THE SPEARS OF THE ORTHODOX AND ATHEISTS, AND TOGETHER FOR THE MOTHERLAND, FOR THE FAITH TO BECOME?
    Shl. By the way, there is also "religious communism". Maybe this is our way?
  • d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 2 May 2013 13: 04 New
    +2
    Communism collapsed as a "religion" after words diverged from deeds. Christianity is dying for the same reason. Islam rests on the fact that it is instilled from an unreasonable childhood in the form of axioms.
    I ask you to pay attention, how many religious sects now are not related to the main religions and sometimes preaching so absurdly that a normal person’s hair stands on end.
    Maybe this just indicates a decrease in the spiritual development of society? It may be worth replacing religiosity with values ​​such as: homeland, patriotism, courage, decency. In this, the basis of society and the state must develop these values. Unfortunately, the authorities of the Russian Federation can not set a personal example to their citizens!
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 13: 56 New
    0
    Quote: d.gksueyjd
    Christianity comes to naught for the same reason.

    The slogan and no more. Moreover, raking again follows one whole pile under the vague definition of Christianity.
    Can not be so.
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 2 May 2013 16: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: GreatRussia
      The slogan and no more.

      Why the slogan, the scandals (blue) in the Catholic Church, insolent priests in the Russian Orthodox Church, the restored Cathedral of Christ the Savior (in the Zionist style), radical Islam, etc., etc. People make religion! During my half-century life, I met only ONE priest according to Orthodox concepts, the rest were priests. Even the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church was forced to raise the issue of the fall in morality in the ROC.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 14: 22 New
    -1
    Quote: Ivan.
    All priests do not want to let their children grow up and accept a conscious choice.

    Not true!
    For example, in the Russian Orthodox Church there is no unambiguous approach to this problem.
    In the end, parents decide, as with the name of the child, citizenship, and so on.
    Ultimately, there is no obstacle to becoming an unbeliever believer or a baptized atheist.
    The rest is from the evil one.
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 2 May 2013 16: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: GreatRussia
      In the end, parents decide, as with the name of the child, citizenship, and so on.

      And here it is not true, in Muslim regions they impose Islam, in Russian Orthodoxy, even in large cities it is impossible to study the foundations of world religions. One cannot resist or reject a religion without knowing its foundations.
      1. Rrv
        Rrv 2 May 2013 19: 28 New
        -2
        Forced baptism of children

        pora-valit.livejournal.com/853299.html
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 2 May 2013 19: 35 New
          -1
          Quote: RRV
          Forced baptism of children

          pora-valit.livejournal.com/853299.html

          Well, where is the coercive, if the children themselves in an interview say the opposite of your statements?
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 2 May 2013 18: 33 New
      +1
      Well, only confirmed my words. Parents listen to the priests and they say and even believe, probably all, that it will be good and protection.
      For example, in the Russian Orthodox Church there is no unambiguous approach to this problem.

      This is so and I will not say the same which is better, but the fact is that priests baptize everyone.
    3. Rrv
      Rrv 2 May 2013 19: 31 New
      -2
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      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 2 May 2013 19: 38 New
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        Quote: RRV
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        Violent treatment for a child

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    4. Rrv
      Rrv 2 May 2013 19: 35 New
      0
      Not a single priest will tell parents who want to baptize their child that this action violates the principle of free will, declared by Christians at every step.
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 2 May 2013 15: 05 New
    0
    What are you arguing about, friends? There is no god (I’ll tell you this terrible secret)
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 15: 13 New
    -2
    Quote: uzer 13
    What are you arguing about, friends? There is no god (I’ll tell you this terrible secret)

    Yeah. Already heard.



    The history of relations between the Russian Orthodox Church and Russian cosmonautics dates back to the moment of the first manned flight into space. These relations developed even during the period of the active struggle of the Soviet state with religion; in recent years they have been given a special positive impetus. On some episodes of interaction between the Orthodox Church and Russian cosmonautics in an interview with the Interfax-Religion portal said one of their main eyewitnesses, associate professor of the Air Force Academy named after Yu.A. Gagarin, Colonel Valentin Petrov.


    - Valentin Vasilyevich, you were close friends with Yuri Gagarin. The first astronaut, according to some stories, was a believer, although he did not advertise this. Is it possible to say that the Orthodox faith was another unspoken but connecting link of your friendship — young Soviet pilots in those difficult years of state atheism for the Church?

    - Yuri Alekseevich, like all Russian people, was a baptized person and, as far as I know, a believer. For me, our joint trip to the Trinity-Sergius Lavra in 1964, just when Gagarin turned 30, remains unforgettable. He, so lively by nature, somehow asked me directly if I was in the laurel. Having received an affirmative answer, he offered to go again, and we set off immediately - in the evening, disguised as "civilian". Fools are fools, of course, because Gagarin is in whatever dress ... When we arrived at the monastery, a crowd of people went to him for autographs. Even the service had not yet ended, but everyone, having learned about Gagarin's arrival, rushed to him. Such was the people's love for Yura, and he could not refuse anyone. ..............


    - But what about the famous phrase attributed to Gagarin - "I flew into space, but I did not see God"?

    - Yes, it was definitely not Gagarin who said this, but Khrushchev! This was due to the plenary session of the Central Committee, which addressed the issue of anti-religious propaganda. Khrushchev then set the task for all party and Komsomol organizations to raise this very propaganda and said: well, what are you clinging to for God there? Gagarin flew into space, but did not see God. However, after some time, these words began to be presented in another aspect. They began to refer not to Khrushchev, but to Gagarin, who was a favorite of the people, and such a phrase from his lips would be of great importance. Khrushchev is supposedly not very believed, but Gagarin will be believed for sure. But Gagarin never said anything about this, he couldn’t say such a thing
    .


    More:
    http://www.interfax-religion.ru/print.php?act=interview&id=73
  • valokordin
    valokordin 2 May 2013 15: 16 New
    +4
    I want to express my opinion, if the church, in essence, was the defender of the oppressed, as in the first years of its existence, then it would have authority. In class society, the church reflected the interests of the class of the bourgeoisie, feudal lords. For a short period of time during the period of the existence of the USSR, especially after the war, unhappy people and people offended by power found comfort in the church, but after the bourgeoisie came to power, the church ceased to be the defender of the oppressed. The profession of the priest has become profitable - this is evident by the clothes and jewelry on the priests, the luxurious cars on which the priests drive, the mansions in which they live. And they collect a penny from the poor, a fraction, probably a large one, from the criminals and the authorities. We see religion serving not the people, but the authorities. Therefore, it is better not to go to church, and if you believe in God, pray to him yourself, without disturbing others and not visiting this place.
    Atheism made people equal, equal in essence. Atheism did not provoke religious wars. The persecution of the church under the USSR was caused by the class struggle, when most of the churchmen expressed the interest of the bourgeois. The persecution of the church and what else were in other states, but few talk about it and write about it, since this was not the privilege of the USSR. However, haters of the USSR, especially advisers to President Svinadze, the Brewers and new clergymen, are crap on the USSR and kiss the hands of the authorities in public.
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 2 May 2013 16: 28 New
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      Quite right, for a deep understanding of Orthodoxy, the Russian Orthodox Church must be cleansed of garbage and be more modest. The Russian people are Orthodox in their hearts, and for the revival of Orthodoxy, much is not needed. It is precisely the representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church that oppose the revival of Orthodoxy in Russia, with their behavior and unbridled behavior.
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 2 May 2013 16: 44 New
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      adequate opinion. the only thing I disagree with.
      if the church, in its essence, was the defender of the oppressed, as in the first years of its existence
      the church is just an architectural structure. If you had in mind the origins of Orthodoxy in Russia, then it was then that repressions of the oppressed took place. Remember only the Old Believers.
      but in general, yes. people like Paul, Christians are proud and set an example
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 2 May 2013 16: 56 New
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        Quote: Gleb
        and repression of the oppressed. recall only the Old Believers.

        Let's remember the Old Believers.

        Who was repressed?
        That schismatic elite that persuaded the Russian people to the worst sin in Christianity - For the suicide by means of self-immolation, while remaining on the sidelines.
        Discover the GIVEN LAW.
        In particular, Decree articles on schismatics.
        Look at specific examples of exactly whom the authorities executed.

        Which, by the charm of their commoners and their wives and children, led them to burn themselves: and such thieves, wanted, for their theft, because of their charms people were burned, burn themselves.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 2 May 2013 17: 19 New
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          let's remember. I wrote exactly a year ago.
          http://topwar.ru/13993-1-maya-den-vesny-i-truda.html#comment-id-322650
          the top? did you study history at school? does the Old Believers tell you anything at all?
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    3. Ivan.
      Ivan. 2 May 2013 18: 45 New
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      The Christian has only one task "to acquire the holy spirit" that is, to be open to God, this is facilitated by humility, a state of prayer, bodily health, the absence of heaviness in the body and soul from many "unrighteousness" and nothing more. Religious wars, church hierarchy, a bunch of rituals not conducive to the above, merging with the state, gilded temples, etc. from the evil one, as they say.
    4. Rrv
      Rrv 2 May 2013 19: 38 New
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      VALOKORDIN

      The problem is that the church, in spite of all its declarations, NEVER was a defender of the oppressed. The task of the church has always been the justification and legitimization of ANY actions of the Government.
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    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 15: 21 New
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  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 2 May 2013 15: 23 New
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    Quote: valokordin
    The profession of the priest has become profitable - this is evident by the clothes and jewelry on the priests, the luxurious cars on which the priests drive, the mansions in which they live. And they collect a penny from the poor, a fraction, probably a large one, from the criminals and the authorities.

    What clothes and values? Where are you all watching this, huh?

    Quote: valokordin
    I want to express my opinion, if the church, in essence, was the defender of the oppressed, as in the first years of its existence, then it would have authority.

    What nonsense? The Church has slightly different tasks, namely salvation of the soul. This is not watered. the consignment.


    Quote: valokordin
    Therefore, it is better not to go to church, and if you believe in God, pray to him yourself, without disturbing others and not visiting this place.

    The medical profession has become profitable. Many corrupt officials and bribe takers have appeared in the healthcare system. In no case do not go to doctors with such a worldview!


    Quote: valokordin
    Atheism made people equal, equal in essence. Atheism did not provoke religious wars.

    Yah? And how did he make equal?
    Did the Russian Orthodox Church provoke crusades and so on?
    But is it not now that the secular United States, under the banner of democracy, is seizing hydrocarbon-rich states?
    Study the history of our state before a single comb yes for all in a row.

    Quote: valokordin
    when most of the churchmen expressed the interest of the bourgeoisie.

    Lies.
    Maybe this was like the truth, if godlessness were not imposed instead of religion, and competitors were eliminated.

    And even after many years:

    “They pour water on the enemy’s mill ...”
    ... Nikita Khrushchev accused the believers of this from the rostrum of the party congress. It was announced that the tolerant attitude to religion inherited from late Stalin was an erroneous and harmful position. It was decided to end religion by the mid-seventies - five years before the onset of the “communism” promised by Nikita Sergeyevich. It was in 1975 that he promised to show on television the last Soviet priest. Therefore, the authorities approached the development of a state-wide program on a comprehensive basis, connecting all forces to its solution: from the agitation propagation system and the press to activists from the Komsomol and KGB agents.

    http://www.zemlya-zemlitsa.ru/category/cat11/nikita_hruwev_ya_pokazhu_vam_posled


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