The head of the Human Rights Council proposed registering former prisoners returning from the SVO zone.

Former convicts who served prison sentences before being drafted are beginning to return from the front. Valery Fadeyev, head of the Presidential Human Rights Council (HRC), proposed registering former prisoners returning from the Special Military Operations Zone.

About this he рассказал in a conversation with journalists from the RBC agency.

The public figure noted that his proposal has not yet gained support. He explained this:

Perhaps no one wants to take on this.

According to Fadeev, not all former prisoners who participated in military operations should be registered, but only those previously convicted of serious crimes.

The activist does not see any manifestation of discrimination in this innovation, stating the following:

There is no infringement of rights here.

He believes that such a former service member with a criminal record should report to the appropriate institution after demobilization and discuss their future plans with a government official. The former service member will simply explain their occupation, their current job opportunities, where they intend to live, and their opportunities. Such a contact will not violate their rights, but will actually benefit them. Fadeyev reasons as follows:

Let them come and tell us what qualifications they have, what they'd like to work for, where they'd like to live, what opportunities are available. We need to establish contact with them without violating their rights. We absolutely need to start interacting with them.

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[Rostislav_]

He spoke very carefully and softly... Now let's read the comments of all the winners and see if anyone can replicate them. Incidentally, they did. Soon it will be even – 1418...

[isv000]

The head of the Human Rights Council needs to be examined by a psychiatrist, for starters. If the diagnosis is confirmed, he should be locked up in a mental hospital. If not, he should be jailed for discrediting and insulting Russian military personnel. People have atoned for this with their blood, so to speak, and this asshole in the chair allows himself to behave in a manner incompatible with public service.

[dmi.pris1]

Okay, let's get this straight. This isn't discrediting, but state control. And who's coming back? The Wagnerites? Have they ALREADY returned, or are they serving under a counter-terrorism agreement? And don't talk about atonement with blood. There are plenty of examples of these people, yes, who first "atoneed" for their crimes, then returned to their old ways. Of course, there are also those who have started behaving normally. And they won't be offended by the control. I know of an example where a former murderer of two young men was dragged around educational institutions, for example. In the Ulyanovsk region, this happened.

[private person]

And they won't be offended by the control.

Are you serious? They'll definitely get offended, we know how to go too far. Being registered is like getting a stamp on your forehead, no matter where you apply for a job, and you're already on the "blacklist."

[Terenin]

Quote: private person

Are you serious? Of course they'll get offended; we're good at going too far.

Who's going to overdo it? The local police officer? Oh, he'll be the one in charge of this oversight. They have, on average, 20 applications in their overdue folder. One does the work of three. He's not up for heart-wrenching movie scenes.

Let them come and tell us what qualifications they have, what they'd like to work for, where they'd like to live, what opportunities are available. We need to establish contact with them without violating their rights. We absolutely need to start interacting with them.

[Alex777]

Quote: Terenin

The local police officer? Oh, he'll be the one in charge of this oversight.

No. Ex-convicts aren't monitored by local police officers, but by a special department. A friend of mine worked in one.

The period of administrative supervision for those released from places of imprisonment ranges from one to three years, but cannot exceed the period of expungement of the criminal record.

Just as those who have served time are controlled, so too should those who have won back their freedom.
As for discrimination, they themselves ended up in the zone.
And because they fought, they received freedom much earlier.

[Terenin]

Quote: Alex777

Quote: Terenin
The local police officer? Oh, he'll be the one in charge of this oversight.

No. Ex-convicts aren't monitored by local police officers, but by a special department. A friend of mine worked in one.

What department!? There's only one FSIN employee there (well, maybe two) who just sits there and fills out paperwork for the district police officers, who, once a quarter, run around on their own two feet to visit the people they supervise, those they oversee, and so on... onm, according to the fantasies of these heads of the HRC.
Go to the nearest police station and talk to your local police officer (if you catch him).

[Pioneer1984]

They would be offended before going to prison. I know several such inmates who were pardoned through the SVO. The grave will correct the hunchback, that's exactly what they are.

[dnestr74]

Did they atone for rapes and murders with blood? It would be fine if they didn't charge them with serious offenses, but what they do is just trash.

[private person]

Did they atone for rapes and murders with blood? It would be fine if they didn't charge them with serious offenses, but what they do is just trash.

I'm not making excuses for them. Why did everyone remain silent when the prisoners were being recruited? It was clear that only those with long sentences under Articles 105 and 228 would agree.

[dnestr74]

Whoever kept silent isn't publicized anywhere, only later, after the fact, that they'll arrest them under any statute. And who did they ask? Are you suggesting we go to a protest or something?

[private person]

Who did you ask? Are you suggesting we go to a rally or something?

Have you been on VO for a long time, and have you ever seen even one article or comment against the recruitment of criminals? This hasn't happened, and no one has written any outrage. After the SVO, there will be plenty of guys with broken mentalities, in addition to criminals.

[Nastia makarova]

Well, at least there was some benefit from them.

[dnestr74]

But not everyone will be killed in the assaults, but they will return and kill and rape again, otherwise they would be in prison.

[Nastia makarova]

Afterwards, there is a new article and punishment.

[dnestr74]

It doesn't make it any easier for the people who were killed, or for the people who were raped.

[Nastia makarova]

But they could also leave prison and continue

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: dnestr74

Did they atone for rapes and murders with blood? It would be fine if they didn't charge them with serious offenses, but what they do is just trash.

Quote: dnestr74

But not everyone will be killed in the assaults, but they will return and kill and rape again, otherwise they would be in prison.

Enough, sir, to scare you.
Do you have many specific examples of prisoners returning and invariably engaging in murder, violence, and rape? You see, here's the thing: we don't have any "benefits" or "privileges" that would automatically exempt a citizen who has committed any crime, be it minor or serious, from conscription or mobilization for life.
In your opinion, how is a prisoner better than an ordinary law-abiding citizen, so that he would be left in the rear in conditions of no risk to life, but a law-abiding citizen is not?
Upon completion of his prison term, a prisoner, be he a hooligan or a murderer, must register for military service at his place of residence and, if necessary, he will be drafted into the army on the same basis as other citizens.
Are you bothered by the fact that he was drafted to the front from the prison camp? Well, what about this scenario: his prison term ended, and upon his release, he signed a contract of his own volition and went to the front. So? Are you also going to say he shouldn't be allowed to go?
There is a saying: "It's not a sin to fall, it's a sin not to rise," but you drown everyone indiscriminately without the slightest chance of rehabilitation, although many of them, having experienced war and grief, have greatly changed their worldview and moved away from the romanticism of prison, and many have died, and they died for Russia and for you too.

[dnestr74]

Recently, a hero killed his husband and raped his wife.
Nobody is saying that everyone is like this, but control is needed; previously, this was the responsibility of local police officers, but now they are rare.
Who did I drown indiscriminately? Most of them are from the pretrial detention center now; they don't make it to the zone.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: dnestr74

Recently, a hero killed his husband and raped his wife.

However, he is not a hero; it is in vain that you tarnish the title of hero and put everyone under the same brush.
I'm aware of the deserter's story, and I think it's a shame they didn't shoot him during his arrest, instead of just shooting him in the legs. However, beyond the case you mentioned, there are about a dozen more throughout Russia during this entire period where similar crimes were committed by previously unconvicted citizens.

Quote: dnestr74

control is needed, previously the local police officers were in charge of this, but now they are hard to find.

The situation in the Ministry of Internal Affairs is currently being covered quite frequently in the media, and I know as well as you that the system is short about 200 employees, especially at the lower level, i.e., those who work on the ground.

Quote: dnestr74

Who did I drown indiscriminately?

Well, who cares? You've lumped all prisoners, regardless of their merits, into one mold, not even allowing for the thought that among them there were actually many who fought honorably and, yes, atoned for their guilt before society at the cost of their lives.

[Mazunga]

How does this relate to human rights?))) They have a pardon, as I understand it, but that's not his level, and the word was given, they atoned for it with blood.

[isv000]

Quote from Mazunga

How does this relate to human rights?))) They have a pardon, as I understand it, but that's not his level, and the word was given, they atoned for it with blood.

That's exactly his level. His job description requires him to respect the rights of combat veterans, not insult them or infringe on them!

[your1970]

Quote from Mazunga

How does this relate to human rights?))) They have a pardon, as I understand it, but that's not his level, and the word was given, they atoned for it with blood.

A man stabbed his wife and her possible (?????!!) lover, a 60-year-old Chechen, to death right before our eyes. своих Children (10 and 13 years old). They gave him life sentences, he went to Wagner, came back, stayed for six months, and then left again. Now he's there for the fourth or fifth time.
Did he atone with blood for the murder of his mother for his children?

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: your1970

Our man stabbed his wife and her possible

I guess I envy you. Living with the belief that our police will protect us and punish the guilty must be very comfortable. Has it ever occurred to you that half of those imprisoned for serious crimes are innocent? They either weren't legally eligible at the time of the crime, or even if they were, they couldn't find a decent lawyer. Although no lawyer can help against police brutality. And if the police record a crime, the culprit must be found. And within a strictly defined timeframe. And if they don't, they'll simply appoint one.
I recently read an illustrative article.

Artificial intelligence has revealed that the composite sketch of the killer, compiled in 2003, matches Tsvetkov's biometric data by 55%.

[dmi.pris1]

Personally, I don't believe in the police's capabilities. But it's also wrong to say that there are many innocent people convicted of serious crimes. I admit there are isolated incidents, but they take more serious actions against serious crimes...

[dnestr74]

Half? You're really exaggerating, half the prisoners are angels. Our system is certainly corrupt and sometimes sucks in innocent people, especially when it's time to find someone to blame, but it's definitely not half.

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: dnestr74

Well, you're going too far, half the prisoners are angels.

Why do you think a polygraph isn't used in court or during investigations? In their defense, law enforcement officials claim that the criminal's moral values ​​prevent them from pleading guilty. But any crime presupposes facts and actions that are easily verified. But no. It's much more convenient to conceal or fabricate facts and interpret actions in a way that suits the investigator and the court.
Prisoners may not be angels, but they are people of our society and will return to it sooner or later. I'm not even talking about those who decided to clear their names in the SVO. But a real criminal would never risk his life. For them, prison is their home, with all the comforts, drugs, and their own security.

[Graz]

Mr. Fadeev proposes introducing supervision and says that this is not discrimination,
What's stopping them from simply creating a department within municipal administrations (or within the Russian Ministry of Defense) to work with veterans of the SVO and provide assistance in socializing into civil society after returning from combat? Although I think something similar already exists, it's just not systematized.

[Alexey Lantukh]

It is also important to keep in mind that SVO participants often come with military psychological trauma and they need to be treated.

[Gunther]

Quote: head of the HRC

...come to the appropriate institution and talk

And if he doesn't come, then what? A legal conflict. And yes, I don't think the rapist and murderer "washed away his sins with blood."

[Word]

The job is done, but by and large, people have been rehabilitated before society and the country. Why control them again through humiliation, and thus embitter them, through reproaches? They lack the intelligence to teach them a well-paid profession and thereby give them a real direction in life.

[Maks1995]

According to the joke: "And in the fourth year, the Indian Sharp Eye noticed...."
There's pure hypocrisy up there... IMHO

[123_123]

Oversight is needed in this case not to enforce the principle of justice, but because murderers and rapists have not ceased to pose a threat to society just because they participated in military operations. It's unlikely that educational officers are working closely there, and preventative measures are difficult these days—there are few levers of influence.

[Was mammoth]

Are there statistics? Or is it the same as always? Like with lists of medications, for example. There's a list, but no maximum dose, and no statistics.

[scientist]

The head of the Human Rights Council presented the problem somewhat inaccurately. All people who spent extended periods in combat zones must not only undergo rehabilitation but also be registered with medical institutions, including psychiatrists, neurologists, and social welfare agencies. Concussions, psychological trauma, and many other factors of war do not all respond equally to them.

[wku]

and along with this, to receive restrictions on the choice of work, study, service, etc., as you wrote, is simply some kind of meanness in relation to those to whom the State guaranteed reinstatement at their former place of work, study, service after serving in the SVO (in particular, mobilized ones).

[ycuce234-san]

This should initially be included in the contract's "social package," where the state undertakes to pay for rehabilitation and provide a monetary incentive, and the contract soldier must complete the program upon completion of his service.
Targeted rehabilitation agreements can be concluded with those who are not currently covered by such revised contracts in exchange for monetary payments following rehabilitation. The cost will be somewhat higher, but this issue does not constitute a reason for any infringement of rights.

[wku]

In Wagner, six months of "Russian roulette" gave the right to a pardon, even for serious offenses, and subsequent demobilization, with the right to return to civilian life or continue serving. Perhaps, despite all the possible downsides, this is a good thing. Meanwhile, those mobilized are spending their fourth year in the trenches and storming the battlefield. Their issue has not yet been raised at any official level; for now, their only option is to return home in a "zinc jacket" or in a wheelchair, facing lifelong disability. Their fate does nothing to enhance the prestige of military service in the SVO, just like the fate of those who signed fixed-term contracts, which were later supplemented with the strange wording "until the end of the SVO." Some argue that if fixed-term contracts were honored, there would be many more willing to sign them, so many that they could more than replace those who, for one reason or another, decided to leave the Russian Armed Forces.

[Genak]

This is a liberal agenda: first demonize some, then associate them with others (members of the SVO), throw mud at them and destabilize society.

[sdivt]

I read the publication, I read the comments... I think we're all talking about different things.
I'm almost certain none of the commentators have actually seen the agreement that transferred these men from prison to the SVO. We can only guess at its contents. Yet it certainly contains many answers to our key questions.
Was there any provision for post-war life in the treaty with them? And to what extent do these provisions (if they were included, of course) align today with the words of the head of the Human Rights Council?

The fact that the war would eventually end, and all these former criminals, now SVO participants (and even SVO heroes!), would return home to civilian life—everyone knew from the very beginning. And, equally, everyone understood (if there was a desire to understand, rather than brush it off) that this was a fairly large contingent, with, on the one hand, a criminal past, and, on the other, having been through the war and gained colossal experience in coordinated combat operations. Plus, as we all understand, these people are not the most welcome guests anywhere, in any city in the country. Perhaps only their relatives would be happy to see them return. And even then, this is not always a fact.
Needless to say, any former civilian who has lived through four years of war has a fractured psyche, a somewhat different outlook on the civilian life we ​​are accustomed to, and a lowered reaction to any event - so what can you expect from a person with a criminal past?
So what do we have in the end? What we have is a hellish cocktail.
In general, it is possible that what we read about in the publication is simply an attempt to somehow begin to control the situation today, rather than wait until the problem reaches its full scale.

[Vlad Gor]

This statement demonstrates the liberals' fear of servicemen who have served in the Special Military District. Of everyone. Former prisoners are a good start. Then they'll add in those who drink, and that's half of Russia, then they'll add in those who said the wrong thing or wrote the wrong thing. The state has plenty of resources to track potential criminals. If 10% of former prisoners return to their old ways, that's no big deal, but 90% will return to their families as good people. These liberals are getting on my nerves with their cannibalistic policies.

[Million]

The idea is sound and correct. But no one wants to take it on because it would require work, and officials don't like that.