Ukraine could be deprived of access to the sea in response to the tanker strikes, Putin said.

During a short press conference, the Russian President commented on the Ukrainian strikes on tankers in the Black Sea. Vladimir Putin noted that these attacks took place in the waters of a third country (Turkey). The head of state described the attacks themselves as piracy. Although piracy does involve the seizure of cargo, the more accurate definition here is terrorism.

According to the head of state, Russia reserves the right to respond to such destructive actions by its adversary. Moreover, Vladimir Putin addressed this not only to Ukraine, but also to those who encourage such actions and stand behind Kyiv.

Vladimir Putin indicated that Russia could very well respond by attacking ships calling at Ukrainian ports.

Head of State:

But there's another possible response: for example, cutting off Ukraine's access to the sea. Then they'll have nowhere to launch their pirate attacks.

The President added that Kyiv's military-political leadership and its main sponsors should consider Russia's potential.

As a reminder, Ukraine currently has access to the Black Sea. Its ports, such as Odessa, Chornomorsk (Illichivsk), Yuzhne, and others, including ports near the mouth of the Danube (for example, Izmail), continue to handle cargo to varying degrees. If Ukraine is cut off from the sea, this could be a truly fatal blow, including the loss of a significant portion of foreign interest in Ukraine itself.

Comments

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

❝ Response to attacks on tankers can become the deprivation of Ukraine of access to the sea ❞ —

- It must! ...

[Banner]

Well, finally some positive thoughts came to mind, now the main thing is to do what I said

[pvs]

Thoughts are thoughts... What matters is implementation. Otherwise, these are just more red lines.

[Ovsigovets]

And after the start of the Second World War against Ukraine, are there any questions left about the implementation of these ideas???

[Sebenza]

Only questions remain. But this statement adds optimism.

[Ovsigovets]

I'm not talking about questions in general... but about the question of the determination to act even by military means - there are no questions left here at all

[Sebenza]

A commenter further down the thread was very specific about this.
Russia could "cut Ukraine off from the sea" if Kyiv continues piracy against Russian ships.
/Vladimir Putin/. There's nothing more to say.

[Sebenza]

But if the murderers stop, then, wow, we won't be able to cut them off. It's so scary, the enemies are scared.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Sebenza

It's so scary, the enemies got scared.

You can joke about this topic if you really want to, but the "sucker has already backed down."

Allegations of Kyiv's involvement in the incident with the tanker carrying sunflower oil are "Russian propaganda" and a "fabrication," Ukrainian Foreign Ministry spokesman Heorhiy Tykhyi stated on social media.

"Ukraine has nothing to do with this incident, and we officially refute any such claims by Russian propaganda. Moreover, the proposed route from Russia to Georgia through Turkey's exclusive economic zone makes no sense and suggests that Russia may have staged the whole thing," Tykhyi wrote, as quoted by Vremya.ua.

https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2025/12/02/v-kieve-zayavili-chto-udar-po-tankeru-s-podsolnechnym-maslom-inscenirovka-rossii

[Sebenza]

It’s not our thing to be funny, but the fraer gave a shit.

[Neo-9947]

It was an ultimatum.
Once again, Odessa and Nikolaev are heading to their native harbor in orderly rows.

[Sebenza]

So they can fire at the barge themselves without waiting, and return it to its home harbor for repairs.

[Sebenza]

I see you don't like this option. Although, the State and the Motherland should be united.

[Essex62]

You have some serious desires. Where do you find such things?

[Sebenza]

Wet dreams, that's all for now. Just a wishlist for the task. No offense?

[Russia2014]

...there are a lot of questions......!!!

[Paul Siebert]

Quote from Prapor

Well, finally some positive thoughts came to mind, now the main thing is to do what I said

Keeping my fingers crossed...
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin finally started talking about Nikolaev and Odessa...
And he also promised to sink Western transport ships.
A sure sign that this is how it will be soon.
It took almost four years...

[KAV]

Quote: Paul Siebert

And he also promised to sink Western transport ships.

Unfortunately, there are no direct promises yet. The following has been the order of the day since the beginning of the SVO:

According to the head of state, Russia reserves the right to respond to such destructive actions of the enemy.

We have already reserved so much right for ourselves that it is time to take advantage of this right.

[asterisk200]

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin finally spoke about Nikolaev and Odessa...

Yes, it's time! Paul Siebert, a summons has arrived for you! You promised that if necessary, you'd go. It's already necessary!

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: zvezdochet200

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin finally spoke about Nikolaev and Odessa...

Yes, it's time! Paul Siebert, a summons has arrived for you! You promised that if necessary, you'd go. It's already necessary!

Now I'll put on my slippers and run!
Keep the summons for now, I'll come pick it up for you!

[nemets]

Do not disgrace the honest name of Nikolai Kuznetsov.

[Paul Siebert]

Quote: nemets

Do not disgrace the honest name of Nikolai Kuznetsov.

Do not disgrace the nation that gave the world Schiller and Goethe!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Paul Siebert

Quote from Prapor

Well, finally some positive thoughts came to mind, now the main thing is to do what I said

Keeping my fingers crossed...
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin finally started talking about Nikolaev and Odessa...
And he also promised to sink Western transport ships.
A sure sign that this is how it will be soon.
It took almost four years...

He also clarified the situation regarding Europe. "We're not going to war with Europe; I've said that a hundred times already. But if Europe suddenly wants to fight us and starts, we're ready right now. There can be no doubt about that," Putin said. "This isn't Ukraine. We're dealing with Ukraine surgically, very carefully...<...>This isn't war in the literal, modern sense of the word. If Europe suddenly wants to start a war and does, a situation could very quickly arise in which we'll have no one to negotiate with," the president emphasized.

[Sebenza]

Hang in there, you're not alone. You've been fortunate enough to do this. But four years isn't much time. Enough has died. Maybe we should stop. - Why? We like it!

[Wratch]

Oh, watch your fingers, they'll cramp up from the anticipation. It's easier to talk than to lift sacks. The ports are still working as before, no problem.

[Paul Siebert]

Quote from Wratch

Oh, watch your fingers, they'll cramp up from the anticipation. It's easier to talk than to lift sacks. The ports are still working as before, no problem.

I can wish the same for you!
Worry less!
A leak from the back may occur...
And I don’t recommend moving bags - you’ll get a hernia.
Everything has its time!
And we will take the ports from the crested ones and raise the Russian flag over the Verkhovna Rada - right on the dome, like over the Reichstag in 45!
The best way to block the crested ports is with our tanks on the enemy piers!
Be patient, Gosha!

[ZnachWest]

Is this the first time you've read something like this?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from ZnachWest

Is this the first time you've read something like this?

Perhaps this is the first time that Putin has spoken in such a tone.
At the beginning of the Second World War, he stated that Russia had no intention of occupying its territories, believing that military coercion would be sufficient to achieve its goals. However, the Ukrainian leadership demonstrated its insanity and complete control from outside (B. Johnson: "Don't sign anything, we'll fight"), resulting in the loss of four regions.
Now, against the backdrop of the "peace plan" being floated around, Putin has voiced the possibility of the Bandar-logs leaving the new Russian regions as a condition for starting negotiations. Again, nothing was said about Mykolaiv and Odesa. But now, after the attack on the tankers and the oil tanker in Novorossiysk, he's spoken for the first time about the possibility of cutting off Ukraine's access to the sea. A serious statement.

[Kravets Vyacheslav]

At the beginning of the SVO he said

"This isn't a territorial conflict, or even a matter of establishing a regional geopolitical balance. The issue is much broader and more fundamental; it concerns the principles on which the new arrangement will be based," Putin noted.
Is October 5, 2023 the "beginning of the SVO"?

which resulted in the loss of 4 regions

What does this loss mean? Referendums in these regions and their subsequent incorporation into the Russian Federation? And what does the subsequent abandonment of the right-bank part of the Kherson Oblast mean then, a "return."

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Kravets Vyacheslav

Is October 5, 2023 the "beginning of the SVO"?

No, the start of the SVO is February 24, 2022.

Quote: Kravets Vyacheslav

What does this loss mean? Referendums in these regions and their subsequent incorporation into the Russian Federation? And what does the subsequent abandonment of the right-bank part of the Kherson Oblast mean then, a "return."

What could be unclear about this? This is a loss for Banderastan. For Russia, it's the return of its historical lands to its control.

[Kravets Vyacheslav]

The start of the SVO is February 24, 2022

So, he first said, "At the same time, our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territory," then, due to the breakdown of negotiations (and if they hadn't broken down, would he have given it back?), his position changed, and a year later, it changed again? And you call "abandoning the right-bank part of the Kherson region" Russia's return of its historical lands under its control? Or does that not count? And why didn't the Kharkiv region fall under this return?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Kravets Vyacheslav

Well, first he said, "At the same time, our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories."

Well, that's exactly it. Initially, the goal was to force the Kyiv regime to cease fire on the LPR and DPR and accept Russia's conditions regarding a return to non-aligned and neutral status, as stipulated in the agreement recognizing Ukraine's independence after the collapse of the USSR. Seizing territory was not the goal. After refusing to sign the Istanbul agreements, the Bandar-logs were told that the next terms would be significantly worse for them. These devils didn't listen and, as a result, in addition to the LPR and DPR, they lost the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions, since all of these regions had undergone referendums. Naturally, the position has changed. Where are you trying to find contradictions? And now, having refused to sign a peace treaty (which will also include demands for non-aligned and neutral status), they are going so far as to insist that the next terms will be even worse for them than the ones they currently have, i.e., They could lose the Sumy, Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Mykolaiv, and Odesa regions, it depends. In any case, the initial conditions were almost rosy for them, but due to their utter stupidity and complete dependence on Western puppeteers, they rejected them, and now Ukraine's territory has shrunk by 20%. If they keep going, it will shrink by half.

[Kravets Vyacheslav]

The goal was not to seize territory

Then why conduct a ground operation? Okay, maybe in Kyiv, but what about the other places where no one could sign anything?

After refusing to sign the Istanbul agreements

In addition to the LPR and DPR, they lost the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions

They refused to sign the agreement in the spring, so almost six months later they lost their regions. Why was this pause necessary? Was it to regroup from Kharkiv, so as not to accept the territories of this region? But why?

went through the referendum procedure

We went through the procedures, but then part of the Kherson region was abandoned, which I've written about for the third time. This is important, since the right bank is effectively under occupation.

In any case, the initial conditions for them were almost hothouse

I don't know what the text of the original agreements was, since they were not published anywhere, so I would not claim what the terms were.

may lose

Or they might not lose them. Again, three years have passed since the referendums, and fighting hasn't stopped, so why should they start losing entire regions of territory now? Even if they manage to break through the front in one place, that doesn't guarantee its collapse.

[FoBoss_VM]

So, when will Putin put forward these new conditions he's been talking about for two years now? He threatens them every time before negotiations, but is always afraid to voice them.

[Essex62]

The main stated goals of the SVO are denazification and demilitarization, not some kind of better or worse conditions for the Bandar-logs. Do you understand how these goals can be achieved? Are the towers just talking nonsense? Are they adapting to the situation?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Essex62

The main declared goals of the SVO are denazification and demilitarization, and not some better or worse conditions for the Bandar-logs.

What's the contradiction? They were offered diplomatic solutions to these problems, through an official renunciation of their NATO membership policy and the infringement of the rights of Russian-speaking people. These were the best terms. They didn't heed them. They received the SVO, along with the loss of territory and the destruction of their economic potential, and these conditions are already much worse than those they initially found themselves in. If they don't get it now, they'll lose even more.

Quote: Essex62

Do you understand how these goals can be achieved?

Now only through military coercion, that is, through a special military operation, how else?

[Essex62]

So it's not clear. Only by completely overthrowing this regime, with its Russian garrisons and purifiers in every town and village on the outskirts, right up to the border with the Poles. No Ukrainian authorities and no Ukrainian Armed Forces. Not even on a patch of our territory. Otherwise, the main objectives are physically impossible to achieve.
It's simply impossible to negotiate with Nazis, in principle. About anything.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Essex62

So it's not clear.

Justify Did I write that we must make peace at any cost?

Quote: Essex62

Only by completely overthrowing this regime, with its Russian garrisons and purifiers in every town and village on the outskirts, right up to the border with the Poles. No Ukrainian government, no Ukrainian Armed Forces. Not even on a patch of our territory. Otherwise, the main tasks are physically impossible.

So this is YOURS, the same as MINE, only written in different words -

Quote: Nyrobsky

only by military coercion, that is, through a special military operation, how else?

Is not it so?

[Essex62]

But negotiations are still ongoing. So what if they're just talking through mattresses and not directly to the naracosh. Their goal is the same: maintaining a foothold and maintaining anti-Russian sentiment. They're the ones who orchestrated the whole scam, and now the Civil War. Can you imagine Stalin negotiating a deal to preserve the Nazis' power while leaving them with half of Germany?

[bk316]

At the same time, our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories

And why didn’t the Kharkiv region fall under this return?

So there was no occupation.
Let me remind you about Kosovo. The right of peoples to self-determination was simply fulfilled. The Kherson region and Zaporizhzhia simply transferred. Part of the Kharkiv region, however, is occupied.
And they will decide with her whether to negotiate or something else.

[Yehim]

1. Why did it take several tankers to attack just to get these thoughts going? 2. When will they begin retaliatory actions?

[vkfriendly]

Quote from Prapor

Well, finally some positive thoughts came to mind, now the main thing is to do what I said

The pots use the waters of NATO states to deliver cargo without going beyond the 20-mile zone at sea, and the easiest way is to use the UPMK to throw air mines at the approaches to the ports.

[Comrade Beria]

Russia will expand the range of strikes against Ukrainian ports and ships calling at them in response to recent attacks in the Black Sea.

Russia could "cut Ukraine off from the sea" if Kyiv continues piracy against Russian ships.
/Vladimir Putin/

[O. Bender]

Russia will CUT OFF, not "may cut off" would be correct, or even better, "begins isolating Ukraine from the sea," which is what you actually wrote in the first part of your comment. Only this should come from the lips of the State Duma.

[knn54]

Can become or will become?

[Ovsigovets]

But this can't be done in 1-3 days, you must agree.

[Essex62]

A day is plenty of time for a country at war to plan and execute an operation. These have long been meticulously planned and rehearsed in command post games. The executors are also prepared, having been trained for it. Just give the order. Attacking tankers with BEKs isn't terrorism or piracy; it's war at sea. That's how the enemy sees it, and that's how they should see it in the towers too. If they cut off the oil trade, things will get sour.

[ZovSailor]

Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
Today, 18: 45
Must!

The devastating response to terrorist attacks on Russian-linked ships by enemy terrorists has dragged on for a year, since the bombing of the Ursula Major cargo ship off the coast of Spain in the Mediterranean on December 24, 2024, and then a series of bombings in the Baltic.

[Kerensky]

one year since the explosion of the Ursula Major cargo ship off the coast of Spain in the Mediterranean Sea on December 24, 2024

What does the investigation say? I'm confused by these well-known facts...

[eugen_caro]

I heard something similar three years ago - when the orcs sank the "Moscow" and several smaller ships - right at the piers ... how much there was then - "We will not tolerate - we will close the sea" ... with what? - all the ships were dragged to n \ Rossiysk and are afraid to stick their noses out of the bay ... the heroic Black Sea Fleet - a hundred rubles in losses - they changed two admirals - and what has changed? ... I was also interested right after the "Moscow" - if it is scary to withdraw warships - does the Black Sea Fleet really not have underwater minelayers - throw mine banks at night in the fairway on the approaches to the mouth of the Dnieper and near Odessa - and let everything that goes there change course perpendicularly - in a straight line to the bottom .... but the Russians are not like that .... - they strive - "what will the world community say" .... - and if the "world community" gets excited - answer that The steamships were blown up by Ork mines—especially since storms washed them up on the shores of Turkey and Greece. But the steamships, crammed with ammunition and equipment, continued to sail to Odessa. Mr. Lavrov's Russian diplomacy strongly resembles the weakness of Prince Gorchakov when he refused to allow the Russians to occupy Constantinople, fearing that the "world community" would not understand.

[commander]

Generally speaking, you're right. But, unfortunately, after Admirals I. Kasatonov and E. Baltin, the Black Sea Fleet has had poor luck with its commanders, especially Admiral Osipov's command of the Black Sea Fleet.

[Essex62]

Do you think the fleet commander gave the order to hide the fleet?

[Shelest2000]

Who knows what's supposed to happen. The Kremlin decides differently, in a businesslike manner—nothing personal, just business. Some people get war, others get a mountain of cash. It's enough to recall that shameful "grain deal," the abandonment of Kherson, and the shameful withdrawal of our troops from the Kyiv region as a "goodwill gesture"...
IMHO, the leadership has no honor, no conscience, and no intelligence...

[Andobor]

Official application for Nikolaev and Odessa regions.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Andobor

Official application for Nikolaev and Odessa regions.

No... Trump won't sign that.

[Andobor]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

No... Trump won't sign that.

Trump can't force the Ukrainians to surrender the remnants of the DPR, so the Russian army will decide. As Putin said.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Andobor

Trump can't force Ukrainians to surrender the remnants of the Donetsk People's Republic

Our army can't do that either.

Quote: Andobor

That's why the Russian army will decide.

I do not think.
Trump, you see, was very upset that Zelensky had torpedoed his peace plan. So Trump torpedoed Zelensky himself. I think you understand that all this fuss about the Mindich case and so on is no accident.
So, whether Ukraine accepts Trump's plan, with or without Zelensky, is a matter of months at most. And then we need to negotiate. Not the plan Trump is proposing; we need to make it acceptable to us, of course. But rejecting it and continuing the war is a bad option. Ukraine can survive for a long time on imported financing, while we'll have to waste years and tens of thousands of lives trying to take another 0,5% of Ukraine's territory, while the economy is on its last legs.
In general, if there is an opportunity to agree on acceptable terms, we should agree.

[Igool]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

on acceptable terms

What conditions are acceptable to us? Aren't they the same ones that are unacceptable to the khokh-lamas?
Then it turns out that only the army can resolve this conflict, when it pushes them to their final capitulation.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Igool

What conditions are acceptable to us? Aren't they the same ones that are unacceptable to the khokh-lamas?

The new government could be much more accommodating. But everything has its limits—Trump will determine the boundaries of compromise. The LPR and DPR will be ours, but dreaming about Odessa... is not worth it.

[private person]

The new government may become much more accommodating.

So the military bastards are already declaring that they won't abandon their positions and will continue fighting. As long as the West continues to support them, the war will continue. And there's no one in the country willing to put such a "yoke" on themselves.

[asterisk200]

So the military bastards are already declaring that they will not abandon their positions and will continue to fight.

It can't be, the articles on VO reliably prove that the enemy is demoralized and will soon turn its weapons against the Kyiv junta.

[private person]

It can't be, the articles on VO reliably prove that the enemy is demoralized.

Well, we've been told about this since we were 14, but we don't pay attention to it anymore.

[topol717]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Ukraine can survive for a long time on imported financing

This is a very controversial statement, since if it could, the entire West would not be racing with slogans about ending hostilities.

and we have to spend years and tens of thousands of lives to take another 0,5% of Ukraine's territory

Missed again. Just look at how many percent of territories have been transferred over the last six months, and the process is only accelerating.

while the economy is on its last legs...

Yes, yes, that's why the USD is at 77 rubles and there's 18 trillion in the piggy bank. That's why they're slowing the economy down with all their might, setting the rate of return at 16.5%.

Quote: Andobor

In general, if there is an opportunity to agree on acceptable terms, we should agree.

It's always better to negotiate than to fight, but now is the time for Russia to dictate terms, not accept them. So, not on acceptable terms, but on our own.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote from: topol717

This is a very controversial statement, since if it could, the entire West would not be racing with slogans about ending hostilities.

In fact, the entire West is running around with different slogans - for the continuation of the war.

Quote from: topol717

Missed again. Just look at how many percent of territories have been transferred over the last six months, and the process is only accelerating.

Again past

The military reported on the progress of liberating territory in the Northern Military District (SVO) this year. "Between January 1 and September 25, 2025, troops liberated more than 4714 square kilometers," the Russian Ministry of Defense noted.

Before 2014, Ukraine's area was 576,604 square kilometers—excluding Crimea. That's 0,82% overall. Now it's probably closer to 1%.

Quote from: topol717

Yes, yes, that's why the USD is at 77 rubles and there's 18 trillion in the piggy bank. That's why they're slowing the economy down with all their might, setting the rate of return at 16.5%.

You just don't know where the "slow" economy is now. You're apparently not working.

[YanniKounnar]

Dans les medias occidentaux ( vraiment pas pro Russes! ) ils disent 725 km2 pour le mois de Novembre 2025.
Surface de l'Ukraine sans la Crimée 576 450 km2
Cela donnerait pour un an 1.50% soit 3 fois le chiffre que vous annoncez.
Cela en supposant que le gain de territoire en faveur de la Russie ne s'accélère pas et en prenant la surface totale théorique de l'Ukraine.
Mais en prenant la surface de ce qui reste actuellement Ukrainien cela donnerait (en fonction des chiffre que j'ai pu trouver) 1.86% soit 372% plus élevés que ce que vous proclamez..
Depuis mon canapé il me semble que les pertes de terrains sont de plus en plus importantes.

In Western media (not actually pro-Russian!) they talk about 725 km2 as of November 2025.
The area of ​​Ukraine without Crimea is 576,450 km2.
This will give you 1,50% per year, which is 3 times the figure you announced.
This is provided that the increase in territory in favor of Russia does not accelerate, and taking into account the theoretical total area of ​​Ukraine.
But if we take the area of ​​what currently remains Ukrainian, it would give (based on the figures I was able to find) 1,86%, which is 372% higher than you claim.
From my sofa, it seems to me that the loss of land is getting worse and worse.

[YanniKounnar]

Pour ma part je pense que calculer en km2 n'est pas exact.
exemple il ya 2 semaines dans les medias occidentaux il etait ecrit : les Ukrainiens viennent de reprendre 40 km2 en une seule journée ....Mais ces 40 km2 étaient des marais ou il n'y avait qu'un ou deux soldats Russes
D'un autre coté si les Russes prennent une ville de 30km2 comme Pokrovsk, militairement cela ait la même valeur!?
Le premier but dans une guerre est de détruire l'armée adverse après les km2 arriveront plus facilement

For example, I think that the calculation in km2 is inaccurate.
For example, two weeks ago, Western media wrote: the Ukrainians just recaptured 40 km2 in one day.... but these 40 km2 were swamps, or there were only one or two Russian soldiers there.
On the other hand, if the Russians capture a 30 km2 city like Pokrovsk, will it have the same significance militarily!?
The first goal in a war is to destroy the enemy army after km2 arrives easier

[carpenter]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

You understand that all this dancing with the Mindich case and so on is not without reason.

And it’s not just that Federica Mogherini was arrested in Belgium on fraud charges, immediately after the Migdic case.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Ukraine can survive for a long time on imported financing

But will it be in the required volume? Ursula is no wonder she's all worked up, searching for ways to finance this very thing. There's been no unanimous approval from EU states regarding the much-coveted expropriation of Russian assets, while other proposed financing options don't exactly inspire enthusiasm either.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Montezuma

Will it be in the required volume?

It's up to the US to decide.

[VlK]

Andrey, do you really think the next Minsk talks will resolve anything, or that they'll be anything different from the previous round? You're certainly a reasonable person, and you're not writing from a manual.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: VlK

Andrey, do you really think that the next Minsk talks will resolve anything, and that they will be anything different from the previous approach?

If the Ukrainian Armed Forces clear out our regions, and at the same time the Ukrainian Armed Forces are reduced, then they can decide.
As soon as the war ends, interest in Ukraine will be greatly lost, and the country will be up to its neck in debt. Things are tough here, let alone there...

[VlK]

So why didn't the previous Minsk agreements end anything, instead entering a phase of constant background shelling and provocations, with preparations for revenge? What has fundamentally changed since then? The root causes of the conflict are still there, haven't gone anywhere? Halting the military action is extremely advantageous for them now—the front really does seem to be finally starting to crumble. But scaling back the entire project—why bother? Maintaining and upgrading the Ukrainian army, with its economy recovering without our attacks, will be much cheaper, while for us, this hotspot will continue to consume resources, not to mention the enormous costs of rebuilding the pro-Russian Donbas, which has been reduced to rubble, and the surrounding areas... And they certainly won't lift all the sanctions. They've only just revved up their military-industrial complex as a driver of EU economic growth.

[VlK]

and here it is:

If the Ukrainian Armed Forces clear out our regions, and at the same time the Ukrainian Armed Forces are reduced, then they can decide.

What about the security zone in the Kharkiv region, Kupyansk, and elsewhere, where we shed so much blood? Will we simply return it to our esteemed partners? There's been complete silence on the airwaves about this, including from our Commander-in-Chief.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: VlK

Well, why then didn't anything end under the previous Minsk agreements?

It seems obvious.

Quote: VlK

What has changed globally since then? Are the root causes of the conflict still there?

Because literally everything has changed.
At the time of the Minsk agreements, Ukraine was an economically independent state, controlled significant territories of the LPR and DPR, and believed it could retake them by force. At the same time, they were confident that Russia would not initiate a military offensive. And even if it did, they counted on Western aid and support. They believed they could defeat Russia—if not on the battlefield, then by strangling it with sanctions.
In general, they considered the support of the West and the United States to be the decisive factor.
Today, Ukraine has lost its economic independence and can only survive on Western subsidies. It has suffered devastating losses, both on the battlefield and from those who fled abroad. Relying on sanctions and Western weapons hasn't paid off. And the US and the West are frankly tired of supporting Ukraine.
The current Ukrainian government couldn't care less—for them, war is the only way they can remain in power. They can't stop it, otherwise they'll be hanged—so it turns out that all the enormous sacrifices Ukrainians have made have amounted to nothing.

Quote: VlK

It will become much cheaper to support and equip the former Soviet Union with its economy recovering without our attacks.

I don't think so. Ukraine can't afford its army without European assistance right now; they live off constant foreign infusions. A war would cut off those infusions—the US simply doesn't want to invest any more, and Europe's resources are already largely exhausted. If that weren't the case, there wouldn't be any US peace plans.
If the war ends, Ukraine will be left alone to deal with its problems.

Quote: VlK

What about the security zone in the Kharkiv region, Kupyansk, and other places where we shed so much blood? Will we simply return them back to our respected partners?

I don't think we should return anything.

Quote: VlK

There's been complete silence on the air about this moment.

Today there was news that Putin diplomatically sent the Americans to their own address with such proposals.

[Essex62]

Will the towers reach Odessa? And how many more years will it take to avoid putting the country under martial law, if they decide to do so?

[Sedov]

No... Trump won't sign that.

Andrey, it all depends on what we offer him. For example, part of the Arctic for part of Ukraine. Trump is a businessman. He's vain and loves business victories. The main thing for us here is not to end up losing out. And the fact that the Americans have started to harass the EU is already good. It's in our favor.

[Revolver]

Quote: Sedov

part of the Arctic to part of Ukraine

In 2014, there was a chance to trade Syria for Ukraine, but they decided not to give up Assad. As a result, neither is possible. Now, Ukraine's price will be much higher. For example, China.

[your1970]

Quote: Nagan

Now Ukraine's price will be much higher. For example, China.

Greenland? Or with Canada?
China is unacceptable purely from a technological standpoint - it is our neighbor - and therefore more dangerous for us than the USA.
Ideal for US option - war between China and the USA - without our participation

[Revolver]

Quote: your1970

The ideal option for US is a war between China and the USA - without our ACTIVE of participation

But with Russia's participation in sanctions, primarily on energy. However, if Russia joins US sanctions against China—and they inevitably will—China will likely not push them to the active stage, but rather work backwards. In my opinion, that's a perfectly reasonable price to pay for Ukraine.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Nagan

However, if Russia joins the US sanctions against China - and they will inevitably

Are you seriously considering Russian sanctions against China? I believe such a scenario is simply unfeasible – we currently have too many long-term economic ties with China, plus a concerted opposition to the Western world order. There's little hope for the stability of American political course, especially since Russia, like the USSR, is a potential adversary and rival for America.

[Revolver]

Quote: Montezuma

There are too many things that connect us with China on a long-term basis, economically, plus a concerted opposition to the Western world order.

Well, yes. China, taking advantage of Russia's precarious situation, is profiting from it. At whose expense, one wonders? Meanwhile, Chinese banks are actively participating in sanctions against Russia. China also publishes maps on which Russian cities are listed under "historical" Chinese names. It's like Germany labeling Kaliningrad "Königsberg" on its maps.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Nagan

Meanwhile, Chinese banks are actively participating in sanctions against Russia.

Some banks may do this, but settlements with the Russian Federation are ongoing, and funds flow in both directions.

Quote: Nagan

China also publishes maps on which Russian cities are listed under "historical" Chinese names.

I don’t know about the cards, I haven’t encountered such a phenomenon.

[Revolver]

Quote: Montezuma

but settlements with the Russian Federation are ongoing, and funds are flowing in both directions.

However, the conversion of yuan into dollars and other freely convertible currencies, as well as transfers to/from third countries, are closed for Russian accounts.

Quote: Montezuma

I don’t know about the cards, I haven’t encountered such a phenomenon.

https://khabara.ru/175855-news.html
And if you search, you will find more.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Nagan

However, the conversion of yuan into dollars and other freely convertible currencies, as well as transfers to/from third countries, are closed for Russian accounts.

Is it illegal to use yuan for payments to other countries? Are they not considered a means of payment, or is their circulation restricted by sanctions?

[VlK]

Comrade, permanent residence in the US, please make an amendment. He's been pushing for "America is with you against China" for a long time.

[Sedov]

In 2014, there was a chance to give up Syria for Ukraine, but they decided not to give up Assad. As a result, neither is possible. Now, Ukraine's price will be much higher. For example, China.

I said "for example." It could be China, or it could be the Moon. They won't tell us the truth. In any case, Ukraine is a bargaining chip between us and the States. They wanted more, but for now we'll have to make do with what we have. And they're unlikely to tell us the truth, and you and I personally won't participate in this bargaining.

[Grancer81]

Or maybe offer him part of the US for part of Ukraine?😂

[VlK]

Why should we give him anything at all? We've already lost something. Let's give him Mexico instead; we don't mind.

[bayard]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

No... Trump won't sign that.

He promised to wait another six months and not interfere with us. We agree, let him sign - "Another six months."
Well, yes, if they disarm, the army will be demobilized, the borders will be opened (so that the rest can leave), and then there will be more shelling, terrorist attacks, drone and air strikes as they like, and - the Odessa and Nikolaev regions will be in their native harbor.

[VlK]

Do you think we'll be able to keep the current contingent of contract soldiers ready to mobilize for the entire time? Surely there are plenty of candidates there now, both in terms of health and age, for a speedy demobilization after the military operations cease, and will they really be paid the same wages as they were in combat?

[bayard]

They can be sent on long paid leave. Many will, of course, be demobilized for health reasons, and some's contracts will expire. And we'll still have to keep a fairly large group on duty. But everyone is truly tired of the war, especially the front-line soldiers.

[your vsr 66-67]

Quote: Andobor

Official application for Nikolaev and Odessa regions.

But there is another possible response: for example, cutting off Ukraine from access to the sea.

Just please, no Ukronazis!
"Sift" everyone, and the "extra" ones to feed the fish!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And they will return Ukrainians- to its historical roots - a pair of oxen, a cart and long, howling songs under the grinding of wheels... "Why am I not a falcon, why am I not flying?"

[BAI]

There's another possible response: for example, cutting off Ukraine's access to the sea. Then they'll have nowhere to launch their pirate attacks.

So answer me. How long can we wait? And anyway, if we don't cut it off, the Black Sea Fleet should be disbanded.

[tralflot1832]

This is correct and expected, there is no need for the 404 to use the Russian-Soviet legacy. And the minimum border is along the Dnieper. The 404s were afraid to fart.

[tralflot1832]

I apologize so that there is no misinterpretation, in the northern part of the Dnieper. In the southern part, the Kherson and Nikolaev regions are all ours. So that there is a land corridor to our Odessa region.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

❝ And the border minimum, along the Dnieper ❞ —

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

Maybe it would be better to at least go along the Dniester?

[ximkim]

Ukraine could be deprived of access to the sea in response to the tanker strikes, Putin said.

How will this be done?

[Comrade Beria]

There are many options: mining the fairways, attacks on port infrastructure, and not just Geraniums. For starters.

[Grancer81]

Mining should have begun in February-March 2022, with warning to mariners...

[K_4]

Well, the crayfish have already started climbing the mountain, though only under their own power for now. Once they get there, and how...that's when it's time. I was referring to when, otherwise I misread the question.
As for now, it's just a matter of capture; I don't think the fleet will leave the harbors. The Ushakovs are nowhere to be seen...alas.

[Naum_2]

How could "Ushakovs" have emerged under the leadership of such military geniuses as Serdyukov and Shoigu? The former, in fact, destroyed numerous military academies (citing cost savings). The Ushakovs always had their own opinions, often differing from those of their superiors. Back then, this was acceptable, as talent was valued. But today, it's common knowledge what the Chief of the General Staff does with such military men.

[rocket757]

So the zhivaf is big, he can see far, he says different things... the question is what will remain just words and what will be done!!!

[Ovsigovets]

The giraffe started the SVO while you've been here for years, "la-la-la-la"... Reading the decision-making assessment of an active giraffe from an inactive "rocket" is so-so fun

[rocket757]

So, for us slackers, this is our hobby: to wag our tongues and criticize everyone and everything else... in our free time from work!

[Ovsigovets]

Well, I agree))) It's just that at least a little decency needs to be maintained))))

[rocket757]

agree/agreed/agree... with whom, with what, on what occasion?
And one more remark below... at the keyboard... why sit down at it, why get up because of it? It's always with you, in your pocket... this is for those who have fallen behind the trends of progress.

[Ovsigovets]

I agree that they are slackers and talk nonsense)))) I haven't fallen behind)))) I just need an even bigger smartphone, my fingers are, so to speak, large, it's inconvenient with a portable one..... well, and I like to talk nonsense sitting in a comfortable chair, in front of a large monitor with a cup of coffee

[Nikolay A. Shadov]

Dear Gypsy, I second that! I'm tired of these homegrown strategists with their Fabergé iron... apparently, they're heavy, so much so that I can't even get up from my keyboard.

[Andrey Ko]

And it was said right before the meeting with Whitkoff - this is what they will talk about, he promised worse conditions for the Ukrainians than the previous ones...

[uralex]

If Ukraine is left without access to the sea, it could be a truly fatal blow.

If this is truly the case, then Ukraine's response to its actions should be to cut off its access to the sea, rather than to threaten it...

[faterdom]

Then put it into the terms of the negotiating position and the objectives of the SVO. That is, not if and only, but like this: now the minimum conditions are these!

[faiver]

But there's another possible response: for example, cutting off Ukraine's access to the sea. Then they'll have nowhere to launch their pirate attacks.

- this option should be the only one.....

[Fisher]

All that should remain from Ukraine is the Principality of Galicia, Volyn, and Ternopil, and that might be too much.

[Kravets Vyacheslav]

Russia has many rights. All that remains is to find a leader who will exercise these rights, rather than simply claim them.

[Ovsigovets]

It seems like you started the SVO and you're running the country during the SVO))))) A very valuable opinion from a no-name

[Askold65]

The country's leader launched a military offensive, which escalated into a protracted war. Someone once said it well: "Anyone can start a war or start a love affair, but not everyone knows how to get out of it."
The country's leader made too many valuable statements that he did not translate into real action...

[Ovsigovets]

The man in charge started the SVO/war, or whatever you want to call it. Did he have slightly different development plans? I think so... but that doesn't change the fact that the man has "everything" to defend the interests of the state and thus... the lion's share of the local VO aborigines who have been giving very smart and valuable advice and assessments for four years haven't deigned to get off their asses and go personally to participate at their level... the opinions of these specialists and experts are very important to me... very much so))) and not only to me, but in fact. The Supreme Commander-in-Chief started, leads, and will finish this action, making decisions and implementing them... the aborigine experts will, at most, make a pile of feces in the toilet... of course, "do not make yourself an idol," but for sensible people, who the real "authority" is is no secret at all.

[Askold65]

Quote: Ovsigovets

Of course, "You shall not make yourself an idol," but for sensible people, who the real "authority" is is not a secret at all.

He may be an authority figure for you, but he never was and never will be for me. Because a person (and a politician) should be judged by their actions, not by their big words...

Quote: Ovsigovets

but this does not in any way change the fact that a person has enough “everything” to defend the interests of the state in this way.

We must defend the interests of the COUNTRY and the PEOPLE (the nation), not the state, which is itself called upon to fulfill this function. You correctly noted that the current leader was appointed (remember by whom) to defend the interests of the state (officials) and the financial liberal elite (remember who now runs the economic bloc – the same Gaidar-Chubaisoids as thirty years ago). Therefore, the economy is stalling, and money continues to be funneled abroad.

Quote: Ovsigovets

Valuable advice and evaluations for 4 years, I haven't deigned to get off the couch and go participate in person at my level...

So you yourself have taken it upon yourself to give advice to everyone you don’t know about how to “participate at your level”? Do you know how much of a sack could have been torn off from those who deserved it at their state level? And how many of them freely traveled abroad with their stolen goods?

[Ovsigovets]

Give advice? No, thank you very much - but I'm on the same "expert" level as these experts - so this is purely an evaluative opinion... It's just that the people writing are mostly familiar faces, and certainly not from the front lines, nor from the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces... You're right - judge by his actions, BUT an internal evaluation is certainly NOT advice and recommendations. It's a question of the equivalence of the person being evaluated and the ones evaluating him... It's ridiculous to take seriously the opinion of someone who, based on his actions, is nothing about someone who has accomplished a lot... awry, crooked, not what someone would like, BUT someone who actually does real work...

[Askold65]

Quote: Ovsigovets

It's just that the people writing are mostly familiar faces and definitely not from the front lines, not from the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces...

A lot is being written from the front lines, mostly in Telegram, about problems that are not being solved, and often even created, by those who, in theory, should be solving them...

Quote: Ovsigovets

Here is a question of the equivalence of the evaluated and the evaluators.... It is ridiculous to consider seriously the opinion of a person who, in terms of his actions, is nothing about a person who has done a lot.... slanted, crooked, not the way someone would like it BUT does real work....

And who is he - the Lord God or something? He's just a high-ranking official (supposedly elected by the PEOPLE)—a man prone to making mistakes or surreptitiously working to further the personal interests of those who contributed to his election to this high office. So the question is: what does he do more of—business or small business, and where is the usual high-flown public chatter, like the likes of you? I've long since stopped listening to his words, because there's nothing behind them. Remember how many promises he made to the people and orders (decrees) for the "sovereign's people," which they so easily wasted.
This "doer of real things" has long since become disconnected from the realities of life on the ground. It's high time for him (and many of those around him) to retire, as remaining in office for such a long time won't lead to anything good...

[Ovsigovets]

He is not God, not at all... but he is not an ordinary citizen by status either - let's talk about the facts... This in no way changes (for me) the fact that his actions (as president, Supreme Commander and many others) should be evaluated by specialists with experience, knowledge and, most importantly, experienced authority... Not every ordinary person who has achieved nothing in life and has not been able to rise above an office manager (or even less), and even less, give advice... Of course, everyone can evaluate him, but this person should be more modest and realistically evaluate themselves as experts in the matters that they evaluate or, God forbid, advise)))))
I don't think you'd actually go to your neighbor Vasyan with serious health problems, which the taxi driver BUT knows how to explain beautifully...or would you?!

[Askold65]

Quote: Ovsigovets

This does not in any way change (for me) the fact that his actions (as president, Supreme Commander-in-Chief, and many others) should be assessed by specialists with experience, knowledge, and, most importantly, experienced authority... not every ordinary person,

You'll now go so far as to say that ordinary citizens don't even have the right to choose it... Because they haven't reached the appropriate level of development.

Quote: Ovsigovets

His actions (as president, Supreme Commander-in-Chief, and many others) should be assessed by specialists with experience, knowledge, and, most importantly, authority that has been developed through experience.

There needs to be a real opposition made up of people like these, who are being harassed in our country. Instead, we're seeing a slew of spoiler parties to create the illusion of a government, and the removal of inconvenient media outlets (like YouTube, and Telegram is next) under the guise of a fight for "security," along with inconvenient politicians who speak the plain truth about the situation in the country ("marginals" and "populists").

Quote: Ovsigovets

I don't think you'd actually go to your neighbor Vasyan with serious health problems, which the taxi driver BUT knows how to explain beautifully...or would you?!

Taxi driver Vasyan could very well be a healthcare specialist, "optimized" by effective government managers, who then brought in "specialists" from the village with degrees from Central Asian medical schools, who, according to their plan, could be paid less. So, yes, I'd rather consult with Vasyan than with "doctor" Oldizhon, who barely speaks Russian...
In our city, a 26-year-old migrant from Tajikistan with a degree from the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration (RANEPA) was appointed head physician of the regional healthcare center. What the heck!

[Kravets Vyacheslav]

the man at the post started the SVO/war

Personally, I don't consider this an achievement. It's simply because such events somewhat hinder, and it's understandable why, for example, this: "Our country will continue to contribute to the balanced achievement of sustainable development goals, preserving our planet's climate and biodiversity, digitally transforming the global economy, and ensuring food and energy security."

a person has enough "everything" to defend the interests of the state

Is selling energy resources to countries whose weapons are currently being used against Russia also "defending the interests of the state"?

didn't deign to get off the couch and go participate in person at his level

"We have enough, first of all, we, of course, unfortunately, also have losses, but they are many times less than those of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, many times less." Or did you not see this news from two months ago? There were similar ones in previous years.

The opinion of these specialists and experts is very important to me

Well, since you left comments, it’s still important.

[Ovsigovets]

What you think or don't think is purely individual... believe me, this man will end up in history books... I personally think that there is a reason for it (by the way, the assessment of his actions will be more positive than not - for some reason I am sure, and not by contemporary historians, but later)
A man is waging war (the Second World War), and war is, first and foremost, money + money + more money... Even when selling resources (not directly, mind you), they don't go to war with us directly, but indirectly, yes... And most importantly, I have nothing to offer as an alternative to the state earning money for waging the same Second World War (other than a 12-16 hour workday for everyone under labor mobilization, paid not in cash but in ration cards, etc.), and I don't think you have anything either. Just don't offer a spherical horse in a vacuum; offer something specific: we can produce so much and sell it specifically to him (he's not an enemy and won't resell it to an enemy) for such and such a sum under a firm contract...
I'm not talking about losses - everyone has them... I'm talking about the moral right to evaluate real people as unrealistic couch potatoes in the deep rear...
Opinions are not important to me....rather, they evoke mild surprise, a little indignation, and sometimes laughter...in short, there are emotions, but they don't affect my life or my train of thought.

[Kravets Vyacheslav]

the man will get into history books

He'll end up in the history books, so... what? The man who served as Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945 (or the man who was Emperor of France from 1804 to 1814) will also end up in them.

man is waging war

, which he himself started. And by the way, no, he doesn't (today's news).

the state earning money to run the same SVO

And if (when) even more sanctions are imposed, will trade decline even further and, consequently, will there be no money? And that's the end of the SVO.
Well, for the chosen tactics of "grinding" and "squeezing out" there are not enough resources, with or without a 16-hour workday.

[Ovsigovets]

Why are you so embarrassed? Come on, compare Putin with Hitler in full growth... You look so shy... Don't confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs...
The fact is that you didn't start it... Having a rough voice doesn't mean having "strong Faberge"
Well, that is, you are only good at non-constructive criticism (in other words, just to chat and nothing more), because there is constructive criticism: "When criticizing, make suggestions."

[Kravets Vyacheslav]

Don't confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs

Why not? Both of them made it into the history books.

Having a rough voice does not mean having a "strong Faberge"

Are you talking about these words of his: "Whoever tries to hinder us, much less create threats to our country, to our people, must know that Russia's response will be immediate and will lead you to consequences you have never encountered in your history."? Well, I agree.

when criticizing - suggest

Well, since you said you're waging war against the Kyiv regime, then wage war against it specifically, and don't "grind" the "forcibly mobilized" representatives of the "brotherly people" and then say, "This is a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, connected to the criminal policies of this thieving junta that seized power in Kyiv." The junta is vicious, so we're leaving it alone; it's all logical.

[Ovsigovets]

I'll keep quiet about the first one...you're still trying to slip through the cracks so gracefully and not get caught))))) Look, you're not a politician or a president, but you're slippery as a snot))))
What I'm saying is that he had the determination to start a war, essentially from his location... you just didn't have the guts to start a "war" from your location - that's all...
Well, that is to say, you can't offer any reasonable and competent solutions other than utopian advice "about a spherical horse in a vacuum"...
For some reason I'm not surprised... usually the one who criticizes the loudest is the least useful or necessary.

[Kravets Vyacheslav]

I'll keep quiet about the first one

You wrote that "a person will end up in history books." I kept trying to understand what that meant, considering that, to put it mildly, not very good people also end up in history books. Then it became clear that you can't compare yourself to other people. It turns out that it's not just the achievements that make up your name that are important, but also the accomplishments that earned you a place in history. And what are those accomplishments? Here they are:

he had the determination to start a war from his point of view

Why this one? Apparently, things didn't work out so well with the others.

From your location, you lacked Faberge to start a "war"

And I also have no authority or power, but that's a minor detail; the main thing is that I lack resolve. Incidentally, I thought it was the young who were eager to fight, while the older ones understood the value of life. Well, apparently they do understand... that their lives, specifically, are rarely at risk when making such decisions.

you can't offer any reasonable and competent solutions

Well, if continuing to gnaw through our defenses, WWI-style, is a reasonable solution, then I really can't. But there's no guarantee that the enemy's power will collapse, just like it did in Germany. And if the pace of advance continues, it will last for another ten years. But that's not important; the main thing is that we haven't lost. True, we haven't won yet, and it seems like a lot is being done to prevent that, but what if, all of a sudden, that's it?

[Ovsigovets]

It's just funny that you used Hitler as an analogy for Putin))) and don't be hypocritical, the analogy is revealing, but as soon as I asked you to say it openly, you lost your cool and started dodging... no, the fact that you understand that you could actually get into trouble for this is good, and the fact that you're afraid is right)))
It could be included in textbooks, for example, as having annexed territories slightly larger than Bulgaria (at the moment))))))) even))))
No authority or power))) What a tragedy... Well, who is your doctor? You are so useless that at this age you have no power or authority... But for some reason you think you have the right to give advice and recommendations on HOW to those who have reached these heights))))
But I meant something else... everyone can make a contribution from their own height... the president, for example, can start the air defense, the Chief of Staff of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces can lead the planning... someone who can't and hasn't reached the heights can show by personal example HOW it should be done. I see how you expertly talk about the methods of WWI)))))) Mini-Clausewitz disappears - and he could have gone to the front, personally... BUT couldn't... well, that is, you couldn't and didn't want to, BUT you have a very weighty opinion)))))

[Naum_2]

You want such a new leader because you don't understand where you might end up after such a statement if he were to lead the country. Obviously, you didn't live through Stalin's time, but I remember them as a child. I lived in a small town and remember how everyone turned off the lights when they heard a car engine in the evening.

[Ovsigovets]

My grandparents never turned off the lights))))) People had a clear conscience, they weren't afraid.....tell your grandchildren your stories

[Naum_2]

Most people had a clear conscience, but for some reason there were millions of denunciations, leading to exile at best, and many never returning home. My father was a party member and held a significant position. He told me how he once went to a collective farm for a meeting chaired by the party chairman. His grandson was running around. He accidentally pulled the tablecloth, causing a bust of Stalin to fall and break. Then a man without shoulder straps grabbed his grandson and dragged him along. Everyone knew how it would end, but my grandfather stood up for his grandson. He was taken away a few hours later. My father never learned what happened to his grandson. Judging by your answer, you didn't live through those times. There was a slanderous denunciation against my father, too, from someone who wanted to take his place. My father was saved by the fact that the denunciation fell into the hands of his former student, who tore it up in my presence. Those were the days, and God forbid you or your loved ones should ever live through them. These are not fairy tales, but something that actually happened!

[Ovsigovets]

My relatives lived in those times and I have a reverse life story from the life of not acquaintances of an acquaintance, but my family...at least twice...I can briefly:
- my grandfather (on my father's side) was captured in Ukraine..... BUT he didn't surrender, but was seriously wounded and unconscious.... Three escapes, the last one was successful..... after the first they beat him hard, after the second he was beaten to the point of removing the stars carved on his skin... he went out to his own people... a filtration camp and investigation - two months after confirmation of how he was captured, full recovery and return to the front without any consequences (ONCE)..... after the war already... my grandfather didn't drink AT ALL, he was returning with his grandmother in the evening from the district center on foot and in the village he was already walking past the chairman's house, where a wedding was taking place.... they were also actively celebrating on the street... they offered him a drink, he refused, word for word a punch in the face, my grandfather responded... the chairman also in the face..... arrest on denunciation))))) grandmother (both non-party members, by the way) writes a letter to comrade Stalin... a mixed commission arrived from the regional center of Kirovograd with republican members from Kyiv..... my grandfather was released, and the chairman with his godfather (chief) (The police) sat down (TWO)..... So that's what I'm getting at. There's a difference between a clear conscience and a pure conscience. The number of those arrested and imprisoned, and especially those executed, by year has long been known, and tell your scary tales to your timid grandchildren.

[Naum_2]

Your grandfather was saved by his wartime experience, but most didn't have such a history. My wife's grandfather was sent to a camp before the war for slandering the chairman. He simply told him: "You're sending my sick daughter to the field, while your healthy wife and daughters stay home." Remember the arrests of people like Tupolev and Korolev; in both cases, based on slanderous denunciations. Also, remember the Doctors' Plot and many other "cases." Somehow, your naive approach to "a clear conscience and a pure conscience can make a difference" didn't work in such cases. There is a difference, of course, but it's rare that people denounced don't get jail time. This concludes this exchange of comments and I will no longer look at your replies, much less respond to them. All the best!

[Ovsigovets]

"The poet's soul could not bear it" (C)......I understood the principle)))
There is my opinion and the wrong one(C)
After your "Then the man without shoulder straps grabbed his grandson and dragged him along. Everyone understood how this would end," (C) it became interesting... For a child, this would not have ended with anything at all.

[cormorant]

But there is another possible response: for example, cutting off Ukraine from access to the sea.

What else does Ukraine need to do to finally decide to implement this alternative option? It seems to me that everything has already been done.

[Ovsigovets]

I suggest giving the military time for reconnaissance, additional reconnaissance, preparing a plan and force assignments, delivering ammunition.......)))))))))))))) If you want it fast, do it yourself))))

[mikh-korsakov]

Cutting off access to the sea by vacating Odessa and the Danube ports is currently a fantasy. What could realistically be done is declare a no-sail zone, say, from Cape Tarkhankut to the mouth of the Danube. Following the example of the US off the coast of Venezuela. Close the Kiliya Arm of the Danube itself, leaving other channels open. This wouldn't even require literally sinking every ship, because no one would insure them.

[Roman Efremov]

As if a landlocked, hostile Ukraine couldn't attack our tankers... The answer must be the destruction of Ukraine itself!!!

[Chack wessel]

I don’t understand - that is, Ridna Nenka hasn’t been cut off from access to the sea yet!?

[Yaro Polk]

while he's thinking...today, how many tankers have been attacked already...the 10th, I think.

[andrey martov]

In my opinion, the idea of ​​depriving Carthage of access to the sea could not even have occurred to the Romans. The Romans clearly understood that the Outskirts must be destroyed! . . .

[Pavel_Sveshnikov]

An elephant is eaten one piece at a time. The Odessa region is perfectly suited for the next piece.

[snow mountain]

The response to the attacks on tankers could be the deprivation of Ukraine's access to the sea.

Should this have been done back in 2022?

[123_123]

So, until now, we've been operating on the assumption that we can cut them off, but we won't—let them continue supplying the enemy's army (let's call things by their proper names) with equipment and ammunition by sea? And Ukraine is carrying out terrorist attacks on ships? So why, if we can, haven't they cut them off? It's unclear.

[Naum_2]

They probably fear a naval war against tankers and our civilian vessels. But, as we see, such fears only serve to empower Ukraine.

[Alexey Lantukh]

Of course, I'd like to! However! However, to do this, we'd need to increase our armed forces by 200-300. That's life.

[Alexander X]

This is necessary for Russia's security!
A very correct and important statement from our President!

[Vladimir M]

Any statement must be followed by actions, otherwise it is just words.
We'll see - are these just more "red lines" or something more... Time will tell.

[eskela]

Well, finally some positive thoughts. The words "maybe" and "reserves the right" are a little upsetting. I'd rather be more decisive without these words.

[Volunteer Marek]

Did that really sound right? Cut off the Banderites from the Black Sea coast, for starters. But this should by no means mean that the criminal regime should be preserved in any form, even without the coastline.

[Hey]

The main thing is that things don’t turn out like with the buffer zone.

[Naum_2]

So far, this sounds like yet another red line. Unfortunately, we've already heard a lot of scaremongering, especially from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The time has come to respond to such actions with the destruction and blockade of Ukraine's ports!!!

[Valery]

Russia cannot, but MUST, impose a complete naval blockade of Ukraine (emphasis on the first letter "U"), since at all times it has been and must remain the OUTSKIRTS of the original Russian lands.

[Vladimirius]

How long did it take? If a war with Europe starts, we'll be left without a World Cup.

[GEV67]

Enough talk, time to act. Odesa and Mykolaiv must return to Russia. This will help Transnistria. And the huge weapons depot there needs to be processed. The good weapons should be used for their intended purpose, and the rest should be disposed of.

[polynet]

Quote: Ovsigovets

I'm not talking about questions in general... but about the question of the determination to act even by military means - there are no questions left here at all

The important thing in this situation is that Russia is being forced to do this. And this was said by the head of state. In other words, we wouldn't have taken it, but since that's the case, we have to. A very subtle, clever move.

[ZnachWest]

"Russia reserves the right..." - there is no more vulgar expression.

[VlK]

It might happen, or it might not... We're winking again, sending signals to the global community. Only, it seems no one is afraid anymore, or even particularly worried.

[NIKOLAY G]

That's right, they'll dig another one for themselves.

[Monster_Fat]

The strikes on the tankers could result in Ukraine being cut off from the sea...

It may "become"..., or it may "not become"... Well, that's it.

[From_the_wild_forest_a_wild_creature]

The response to the strikes on the tankers could be the deprivation of Ukraine's access to the sea...

Why can it? It should have, and it already should have. Russia has the technical capability to sink any cargo going to and from the listed ports, even without physically occupying Ukraine's remaining coastline, thereby effectively cutting off Ukraine's access to the sea. But it seems Putin is more inclined to talk than to fight.

[Stalingrad2010]

Well, if they're terrorists, then how about "wiping them out in the toilets"? There's a ton of work to do there, and we're still working on it. The Banderite leaders sit on TV, travel around their country and the world, stage terrorist attacks in my country for years, and nothing happens to them. Odessa and Mykolaiv are all well and good, we should and must take them, but with what forces, and with what? The navy is blocked, leaving only the land route. Air power is limited by enemy air defenses and can't move beyond the front line. Everyone saw what our soldiers used to enter Pokrovsk in the fog. They couldn't take Kharkov near the border, and now Odessa and Mykolaiv...

[Wayfarer_2]

The most disturbing thing about this is that cutting Ukraine off from the sea as an independent goal, rather than as revenge for the naval drone strikes, was apparently not even considered. That is, Putin had no intention of taking either Odessa or Mykolaiv, despite constantly saying that things would only get worse for Ukraine if it didn't voluntarily agree to part with Crimea, Donbas, and the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions. Well, where is it worse? Meanwhile, Ukraine has stepped up its attacks not only on tankers carrying our oil, but also on refineries and other strategic facilities. It's high time to show why this is worse for Ukraine. For example, by making additional territorial demands on Ukraine. There's a wide choice: Sumy, Khrvkovo, and Chernihiv – these are all border regions from which the Bandar-logs have the opportunity, and are using it, to launch attacks on Russia. So why not include at least one of them in Russia's territorial demands for now? In addition to what's already been said? Or demand that troops be withdrawn 70 km from the border with the Kursk, Belgorod, and Bryansk regions. That would also be entirely reasonable.

[VlK]

The most disturbing thing about this is that cutting Ukraine off from the sea as a separate objective, rather than as retaliation for the naval drone strikes, was apparently not even considered. That is, Putin had no intention of taking either Odesa or Mykolaiv, despite constantly saying that things would only get worse for Ukraine if it did not voluntarily agree to part with Crimea, Donbas, and the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions.

He NEVER mentioned being cut off from the sea, which is typical – our latest demands are “the cleansing of the four regions, recognition of them and Crimea as Russian, demilitarization, neutrality with a reduced army, non-joining NATO, lifting the ban on the Russian language, and an end to the persecution of the Russian Orthodox Church” – it seems he hasn’t forgotten anything else. There have NEVER been any statements from official decision-makers about the Kharkiv, Mykolaiv, or Odesa regions; you can look it up yourself, in case I’m wrong. Everything (from Kyiv to the western border) came from opinion bloggers, journalists, analysts, talk show hosts, war correspondents, maybe even members of the State Duma (who expressed only their personal opinions) – but from officials vested with real power – NOTHING. That’s how it is.

[Carlos Hall]

At the very least, they should be prevented from carelessly exporting grain, their main source of foreign currency, from Ukrainian ports. What's the Black Sea Fleet doing?

[Incvizitor]

They dug and dug, but he cuts it off, although they turn off a new one.

[Comrade Beria]

Pro-Russian hackers from the Beregini, Killnet, and Cyber ​​Sickle groups provided RIA Novosti with a list of Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel involved in recent attacks on the Russian tanker MIDVOLGA-2 and Russian coastal areas.

Data on Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel was obtained as a result of hacking one of the personal computers of the Ukrainian Naval Forces command.

[AK-1945]

Ukraine could be deprived of access to the sea in response to the tanker strikes, Putin said.

Volodya, Volodya, Volodenka!!! We have ALL been waiting for this for a very long time!!!

[Grits]

Ha! We've heard countless such scare mongerings from our President. However, they've all remained mere red pencils, which no longer frighten anyone. The scare mongering about cutting Ukraine off from the sea was particularly amusing. There's only one obstacle to implementing such a plan: the lack of testicles on Leopold's Cats.

[Gunther]

Quote: Author

...Head of State:
But there is another possible response: for example, cutting off Ukraine from access to the sea.

In my opinion, this is the only reasonable answer, not some shady deal involving mattresses.

[FoBoss_VM]

Ukraine could be deprived of access to the sea in response to the tanker strikes, Putin said.

It might become... Or it might not. Or it might not be a deprivation. More empty chatter. How many more tankers must sink?

[LeutnantTom]

As US President Bush said, anyone who supports terrorists is a terrorist!

The EU supports Nazi terrorist Ukraine. It's time to recognize the EU as a terrorist organization!

[the same doctor]

How much longer can you take revenge? Why can't you protect our people instead of avenging them? If you can lock up the Ukrainians, why didn't you do it sooner? Before the cruiser Moskva sank, for example. And if you can't, you're stingy with spending money on the military-industrial complex, and you're not thinking about the long-term, then why bother puffing out your cheeks?

[Prometey]

It may or may not be.
To start with, just mine the approaches to Odessa, if you have any courage at all.

[kig]

Yes, we know how to puff ourselves up, that's for sure. We've already deprived Ukraine of its air force (three times), it didn't have a navy to begin with, declared all ships heading to Ukrainian ports potential targets, and destroyed all its bridges...

[commander]

The solution to the problem of "cutting off Ukraine from access to the sea" is an air and sea blockade. To achieve this, it is necessary to establish a blockade zone with an absolute ban on the passage of ships and aircraft: for example, north of the line from the western tip of Crimea along the parallel to the eastern coast. Bastions and ballistic missiles could be used to accomplish this task. Naval aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles of the Black Sea Fleet could provide situational awareness and target designation. Another area of ​​focus is provided by International Maritime Law: the inspection of civilian vessels by warships. This could be accomplished in cooperation with Turkey.
Just one question: Finally, assign this task to the Black Sea Fleet.

[Totor5]

It always feels like we're being led down a path we can't take a step away from. We'd never escalate or make a bold move ourselves.

But now it has become perfectly clear who is holding the army's hands.

[Sergei Viktorovich Korolev]

This should have been done yesterday, not just hypothetically.

[AleksByk]

I remembered 2014... the Nazis in Kyiv caused a ruckus, overthrowing Yanukovych, and all this during the Sochi Olympics. Vladimir Vladimirovich seemed to be silent at first, but then suddenly Ukraine lost Crimea and found itself in conflict in Donbas. I don't think we'll limit ourselves to strikes on ports now—that won't solve the problem—Ukrainian ports will simply return home to Russia. But a question arises about the tanker M/T Mersin, which was attacked off the coast of Senegal. The Beys can't cover such a distance—from the Black Sea to the shores of Senegal. This is clearly not just the work of Ukrainian intelligence—the British are involved. So isn't it time for the Houthis to sink a frigate with captured British ammunition? If they don't understand, sink another. They won't understand any other way—they need to be washed in blood once and for all.

[the same doctor]

Putin threatens, but doesn't act. That's why no one is afraid. Everyone knows that if you tempt him with negotiations, he'll immediately give up everything, like in Istanbul.

[Iris]

Well said! Correct! There's just one catch - it might work, or it might not! How much longer can you turn the other cheek???

[ximkim]

Quote: Comrade Beria

There are many options: mining the fairways, attacks on port infrastructure, and not just Geraniums. For starters.

There is no option to deprive Ukraine of the Black Sea.
It is not in Putin's interests to bomb Odessa and the ports of Ukraine.

[commander]

Why bomb ports? A port is a "loading and unloading hub" with the means and forces for loading and unloading. Ships and transport on the approaches to these ports must be destroyed.

[Maximum.1]

Il blocco al mare doveva essere già fatto da tempo. Purtroppo la Federazione Russa non vuole oltrepassare alcuni "limiti" che quei terroristi ucraini hanno già fatto da tempo .Non bisogna avere nessun limite e rispondere in maniera doppia a tutti gli attacchi di quei terroristi. Nessun limite o pietà, perché solo questo capiscono quei maledetti ucraini.

[Panadol]

It's time to do it.
And one more thing. I suspect our oil oligarchs could force him to do this. Rosneft and Lukoil desperately need peace in the Black Sea.

[roosei]

The right should not be abandoned, but used. But, unfortunately, the authorities lack the willpower.

[ximkim]

Quote: commander

Why bomb ports? A port is a "loading and unloading hub" with the means and forces for loading and unloading. Ships and transport on the approaches to these ports must be destroyed.

Russia does not destroy ships, etc. (for some reasons).
The Odessa port is functioning.
There is a military (Black Sea) fleet, but it is not operational, since there is a biased attitude towards it from those up there at the mahogany table with a personal barber in the office.

[Maluck]

including in terms of the loss of a significant share of foreign interest in Ukraine as such.

Golden words, it's the West's interest in used goods that drives the war. Without interest, there will be no war.