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Russian media reported that a passenger plane was dodging Syrian missiles

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A320 plane belonging to the Russian company Nord Wind, which flew from Egypt to Kazan, was allegedly subjected to a rocket attack. The liner is not damaged, no one on board was hurt. Information about the incident was officially confirmed by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. However, experts do not believe that they really were rockets.


Previously reported by the Interfax news agency, citing its own sources. Two ground-to-air missiles were fired on a passenger plane carrying 167 people, of which 8 are crew members.

It was alleged that the attack was specifically directed against the aircraft, but it is not yet known whether the attackers knew that the aircraft belonged to a Russian airline. At the same time, according to Irina Shchegolkova, the press secretary of the Federal Agency for Tourism, passengers and pilots saw bright flashes, but they are not sure that it was shelling.

“The plane made its flight over the mountainous territory of Syria and one of the pilots noticed flashes below, after which it was decided to switch to a higher flight level just in case. The incident was in the morning, after which the plane landed, no damage was found on it, ”said Irina Tyurina, press secretary of the Russian Union of Travel Industry.

The outbreaks were observed at an altitude of 8 thousand meters above sea level, and the plane climbed to an altitude of 10 thousand. Later it landed at the destination airport on a schedule. Syrian ground services did not receive attack reports from pilots.

Currently, the Russian Foreign Ministry is clarifying the information received with the Syrian authorities.

Vladimir Gerasimov, Honored Pilot of Russia and Flight Safety Specialist, told RT that passenger liners "are not very maneuverable, they usually shoot planes either from the side or from above, the pilot could not see the missiles." In his opinion, it is simply impossible to evade combat missiles: “The crew of a passenger plane simply cannot see what is behind it. And the fact that flies towards - so it is double speed. There is nothing you can not do. As for the outbreaks, it could be thunderstorms, but we must look at the weather. ”
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB April 30 2013 10: 09 New
    +4
    Another provocation of Israel ...
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko April 30 2013 10: 16 New
      +1
      ShturmKGB
      Israeli provocation

      At night, this topic was a bit "gnawed" here:
      http://topwar.ru/27432-na-voennoy-baze-bagram-v-afganistane-razbilsya-transportn
      yy-samolet.html
      1. patline
        patline April 30 2013 10: 23 New
        +1
        Now it's up to the small. Each side must be accompanied by a four Su-34. And all business ... wink
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter April 30 2013 10: 45 New
          11
          Quote: patline
          Now it's up to the small. Each board must be accompanied by four Su-34.

          And the costs of flights SU-34 include in the price of tickets. Total and business ...
          1. patline
            patline April 30 2013 10: 52 New
            +7
            And the costs of flying SU-34 should be included in the price of tickets.

            No, it doesn `t need. Drying is pure charity, well, or Assad should be included in the bill. Just slaughter Syrian intervention bandits from airplanes. And all business then ...
          2. RUSSIA 2013
            RUSSIA 2013 April 30 2013 13: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: antiaircrafter
            Quote: patline
            Now it's up to the small. Each board must be accompanied by four Su-34.

            And the costs of flights SU-34 include in the price of tickets. Total and business ...

            or it can launch a bombing strike on the positions of the militants, for sure we have intelligence data on the positions of the militants. I think Assad will not mind, for one we will help him, if only there is an excuse.
            1. ixsus
              ixsus April 30 2013 19: 41 New
              0
              If only for clusters of terrorists in Syria. But only this will already mean our intervention. And the country's leadership adheres to the position of non-interference in internal affairs. As for air escort, the country's leadership, unfortunately, is easier to ban flights there than to escort.
          3. Scythian 35
            Scythian 35 April 30 2013 17: 15 New
            0
            Duck dryers not yet ----- are being built !!!! laughing
        2. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel April 30 2013 11: 53 New
          +3
          ... it’s on top, on the ground four “Crocodiles” and a couple of “Rooks”. React nervously and for any reason.
        3. Cynic
          Cynic April 30 2013 17: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: patline
          And all business

      2. VAF
        VAF April 30 2013 11: 00 New
        +8
        Quote: Papakiko
        At night, this topic was a bit "gnawed" here:


        Hello dear! Yesterday a little “Internet-spashelya” “dived” on you, so at least I’ll come to your defense here, because you told absolutely everything correctly (about the rules of flight), just not everyone is "in the know", and therefore .... !!!

        1. All flights of Civil Aviation around the world are carried out by the MVL (local air lines) and BT (air routes, which are divided into Domestic and International).
        Differences between MVL and VT only in height and width from the axis of the route.

        2. Therefore, at least charters. Although "zacharters" all fly only according to the Flight Plan (inside the application) and nothing more.
        Moreover, the entrance to the airspace of another state is strictly according to the place and time and in the strictly indicated corridor, in all other cases it is already a violator of airspace.

        3. All VT and MVL are marked by AWP or VOR / DME.

        4. When flying inside, "cutting off" the route is allowed, but only with the permission of the EU RU ATC and then, again, only by VT and MVL.
        But for international affairs this is not practiced, exceptions are only special cases in flight !.

        5. Military (combat aviation) also flies on the established Routes and Flight Plans, which are summarized in the List .... which is agreed with the Citizens.
        But it’s easier for the military to “cut off" or "cut off" somewhere, but still within the framework of the "permissible".

        And the intersection of VT and MVL of citizens also occurs in strictly allotted corridors and with strict restrictions on location and height!

        When conducting exercises and events for citizens, they introduce a regime that imposes a ban on flights in certain areas, so everyone has often (especially earlier) experienced .. flight delays (for various reasons, from M \ U until the plane arrives. Although in fact, and the weather is million in a million and the aircraft has been parked for a long time) wink
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 30 2013 12: 25 New
          +4
          Some crap, now they will begin to discuss the no-fly zone and then how they will hand over Libya


          Well, here is the latest news

          Rosaviatsia advises to stop flights over Syria


          And most importantly, the Syrian ground services did not receive shelling reports from the pilots - so the order for disu is obvious

        2. ZhuDkiyDrugg
          ZhuDkiyDrugg 1 May 2013 11: 51 New
          -1
          Do you think that the sky over Syria is now the safest place to abide by all the rules accepted by the world community !? Let us recall the incident of October 4, 2001.
    2. T-100
      T-100 April 30 2013 19: 12 New
      -1
      This was not a salute in honor of the passage of Russian passengers))))
  2. Diesel
    Diesel April 30 2013 10: 09 New
    +6
    Well, if it was high, they simply didn’t get them. Lucky. Although more like a duck.
    1. starpom
      starpom April 30 2013 10: 28 New
      12
      Quote: Diesel
      Although more like a duck.

      Most likely. Information about the capture of the air defense system did not pass.
      Affected Areas by Height (MANPADS), m
      Arrow 2 - up to 1500
      Boom 2m - 2300
      Arrow 3 - 3000
      Needle, Needle-S - 3500
      The highest mountain in Syria (they write that the plane flew over the mountainous terrain) - 2814 m. Mount Sheikh (Hermon). Typically, civil aviation goes in the corridor of 8000-10000 m. So the problem is
      1. VAF
        VAF April 30 2013 10: 45 New
        10
        Quote: starpom
        So the problem is


        if all the same, we take as a basis this "hypothesis" with shelling, then there is no "inconsistency".
        Last night I wrote that self-liquidators remove spirits and Czechs and the rocket goes free up to 6-7 thousand meters, up to the generation of fuel!
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter April 30 2013 10: 51 New
          +6
          Quote: vaf
          It goes freely up to 6-7 thousand meters, right up to the generation of fuel!

          It can and does go, but the probability of hitting a target is accordingly reduced.
          In addition, if there is no self-liquidator, where are the flashes seen by the crew? The rocket simply crashes by a blank back to the ground.
          1. VAF
            VAF April 30 2013 11: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: antiaircrafter
            where are the flashes seen by the crew?


            Yesterday I wrote, it is impossible to see the flash. impossible. the more during the day and from a great height, only the NEXT.

            Well, about the discs, it was just falling from the generation of fuel.

            and the probability of hitting the target is almost independent if the missile seeker grabs the target on the speaker!

            Plus, dear V. Gerasimov is not very right, because Stinger, he’s a foreshortening ive forehead flies ONCE!
            1. antiaircrafter
              antiaircrafter April 30 2013 11: 16 New
              +2
              Quote: vaf
              Yesterday I wrote, it is impossible to see the flash. impossible. the more during the day and from a great height, only the NEXT.

              did not read yesterday. I did not mean a flash at start, but a flash of an explosion during self-destruction.
              Quote: vaf
              and the probability of hitting the target is almost independent if the missile seeker grabs the target on the speaker!

              you are wrong. even though the seeker has captured the target, but at a certain range the steering cars just stop working, the rocket still goes in the direction of the target, but it can only be reached by miracle.
              1. VAF
                VAF April 30 2013 11: 27 New
                +2
                Quote: antiaircrafter
                you are wrong.


                belay

                Quote: antiaircrafter
                even though the ghs has captured the target, but at a certain range, the steering cars just stop working, the rocket is still going towards the target,


                Maybe you meant that with a drop in rocket speed due to fuel production and a drop in traction, rocket rudder engines lose their effectiveness and aerodynamic qualities? wink

                But we are considering the issue of large aircraft, which, due to their performance characteristics, are limited in the implementation of any PfP?

                Plus, please do not forget about rocket fuses, because they do not have to be only contact ones? drinks
                1. antiaircrafter
                  antiaircrafter April 30 2013 13: 21 New
                  +4
                  Quote: vaf
                  Maybe you meant that with a drop in rocket speed due to fuel production and a drop in traction, rocket rudder engines lose their effectiveness and aerodynamic qualities?

                  And that too.
                  I will explain about steering cars. For example, rocket steering machines, the 2K12 KUB, operate due to compressed air, the supply of which is unlimited and provides missile control in the affected area determined by the technical characteristics. A rocket, of course, can fly further, but as air is consumed, it is controlled worse.
                  In new missiles, either electricity is used or the squib is burning (the principle is the same as with compressed air), but in this case the resource is not infinite.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF April 30 2013 13: 45 New
                    +2
                    Quote: antiaircrafter
                    I will explain about steering cars. For example steering gear rockets, SAM 2K12 KUB


                    Once "studied", or rather taught, but still, thanks for the reminder! : drinks
                    But here we are specifically discussing the capabilities of MANPADS? And this .. "a little different story" wink
                    1. antiaircrafter
                      antiaircrafter April 30 2013 14: 19 New
                      +3
                      Quote: vaf
                      But here we are specifically discussing the capabilities of MANPADS? And this .. "a slightly different story

                      Well ... MANPADS I passed ... by.
                      I will say this. GOS for electricity needs electricity. The onboard source is not unlimited. Power decreases over time, respectively, and the sensitivity of the seeker decreases - hence the decrease in the probability of being hit.
                      As far as I remember, the squib burns there, the gases rotate the dynamo (like on a bicycle), the dynamo gives current, the exhaust gases go to the steering machine. The squib burned out - there is no electricity, no control.
                      All this works for about 15-17 seconds (maybe less). Then the rocket makes a candle and self-destructs. Well, self-liquidator is disabled, and to hell with it - the seeker does not work, the wheels do not steer. An uncontrolled blank flies - the probability of getting there - the farther the closer to zero.
                      Theoretically, if you shoot after it, with the self-liquidator not turned off, the MANPADS missile after the set time has elapsed could go up and explode. But at the same time it is unlikely that they would have noticed this on the plane, because the explosion would have emanated somewhere from behind and from below. No one would have noticed the start and trace of the rocket.
                2. antiaircrafter
                  antiaircrafter April 30 2013 15: 22 New
                  +1
                  Quote: vaf
                  But we are considering the issue of large aircraft, which, due to their performance characteristics, are limited in the implementation of any PfP?

                  Plus, “citizens” have a larger effective reflective surface and thermal radiation from the engines, so “citizens” can be fired at greater ranges and altitudes.
                  Quote: vaf
                  Plus, please do not forget about rocket fuses, because they do not have to be only contact ones?

                  on MANPADS contact.
        2. starpom
          starpom April 30 2013 10: 51 New
          +4
          Quote: vaf
          the rocket goes free up to 6-7 thousand meters,

          the question is: will the target capture work at such heights and will the missile come off the guide?
          1. VAF
            VAF April 30 2013 11: 12 New
            +3
            Quote: starpom
            the question is: will the target capture work at such heights and will the missile come off the guide?


            Answer: it all depends on the sensitivity of the heat finder and the rarefying ability and the possibility of PRD for radar guidance.

            With all this, do not forget that 8 is according to the standard (i.e., at a pressure of 000 mmHg), and the relief height (mountains and hills) so it turns out that in fact H is true on the plane, the target is 760-3 thousand meters in total!

            Therefore, what is "beyond the river", that in the "Czech Republic" Tu-22s worked only from a great height (at the same time, "they took 2-3 thousand meters" at a certain point .. bully )
            Well, with the exception of the first month, they "walked" there at all heights, both small and WWI.
            1. antiaircrafter
              antiaircrafter April 30 2013 16: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: vaf
              it all depends on the sensitivity of the heat finder

              and the power of the heat radiation source.
              1. VAF
                VAF April 30 2013 17: 13 New
                +1
                Quote: antiaircrafter
                and power source of thermal radiation


                you already wrote about it, so I didn’t ..repeat! +! drinks
        3. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel April 30 2013 12: 02 New
          +1
          Toka and thought about it. They can finally pull a thread with a rocket, just to get there, it’ll get there. But the crew can’t determine what was launched into the air.
    2. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 30 2013 10: 53 New
      +3
      Another couple of such ducks and you can send aircraft to protect their interests in Syria.
      About how!
      Amerikosy too hysteria about the use of chemical weapons.
      What are we worse than them?
  3. Pacifist
    Pacifist April 30 2013 10: 13 New
    +4
    Nonsense. I also found a fighter. He would not even have time to hear what was happening. The early warning system is far from being on all planes, and it will not help much when firing at a high-altitude complex, in this case it remains only to "sing with rest" to sing ... you still don’t have time to finish singing.
  4. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR April 30 2013 10: 15 New
    +3
    Such stuffing is not accidental, but the Libyan MANPADS walk around the world somewhere.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 30 2013 10: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: NAV-STAR
      Such stuffing is not accidental, but the Libyan MANPADS walk around the world somewhere.

      MANPADS do not hit such a height.
  5. core
    core April 30 2013 10: 22 New
    +2
    a question for our aviation authorities, and what route cannot be laid out somehow safer?
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 30 2013 12: 28 New
      0
      Quote: core
      Is it possible to route the route more safely?

      This is to the authorities of that state va. And they use international flight rules and legalized routes. Because of each such "bombardment", do you suggest laying new routes?
  6. neri73-r
    neri73-r April 30 2013 10: 24 New
    +5
    8 meters is high, MANPADS will not reach, not even capture the target! Some kind of tricky move with the media
    1. Pacifist
      Pacifist April 30 2013 10: 30 New
      +1
      So am I about that. Even considering the mountains and the reference to sea level ... I’m not sure, but in Syria I can’t remember the mountains 2000 meters high. The height of the upper boundary of MANPADS from 4000 to 6000. They went to 8000. Vague doubts gnaw me ... that they are trying to slip us another misinformation. In addition, even among the spirits there are no blockheads who want to sit on top of the mountain with MANPADS and catch passengers. And if the Syrians were mistaken by mistake, then given the parameters of their complexes, we would now read obituaries.
    2. Army1
      Army1 April 30 2013 14: 58 New
      +1
      Yes, but unfortunately we cannot guarantee complete safety, on take-off or landing, the MANPADS will get the plane like 2 fingers ....
  7. Explore
    Explore April 30 2013 10: 31 New
    +2
    MANPADS will never reach the target at an altitude of 10 km, and even up to 8 km will not rise (maximum 4-5 km).
    SAM would have left no chance for the aircraft. However, they are mainly located with the regular army, not with the terrorists. Sense of shelling a civilian plane? Error? Then why is he not shot down?
    My opinion is another duck or a provocation of a certain party.
  8. dmitry46
    dmitry46 April 30 2013 10: 32 New
    +1
    I don’t know whether it is true or not, the main thing is that people have not suffered!
  9. treskoed
    treskoed April 30 2013 10: 35 New
    +1
    Most likely a distraction. Something is pondering in this region ...
  10. IRBIS
    IRBIS April 30 2013 10: 36 New
    +8
    I would like to see the airbus "dodging" from missiles! And most importantly - to really dodge it! The news is like someone’s wild desire to promote on a “hot topic. Or just an ordinary flap of flyers in the company of passengers ...
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 30 2013 10: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: IRBIS
      I would like to see the airbus "dodging" from missiles! And most importantly - to really dodge it!

      Apparently he twisted the “barrel”. laughing
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter April 30 2013 10: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: Garrin
        Apparently he turned the barrel

        Dry cleaning is inevitable !!!
        1. VAF
          VAF April 30 2013 11: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          Dry cleaning is inevitable !!!


          not necessary ... if you do .. "gently", then you won’t even fall out of the chair. not even attached! wink
        2. IRBIS
          IRBIS April 30 2013 11: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          Dry cleaning is inevitable !!!


          Will not help! It will stink, and the color will change a lot!
      2. VAF
        VAF April 30 2013 11: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: Garrin
        Apparently he turned the barrel


        The barrel will not save, but the "tub" is quite, only the "bus" will fall apart from overloads. Yes and in the angle of attack ... it will fly to the second mode immediately.
      3. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 30 2013 12: 28 New
        +1
        “Barrel” is such trifles, if “cobra”, then it will definitely dodge hi
        1. VAF
          VAF April 30 2013 13: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: mhpv
          “Barrel” is such trifles, if “cobra”, then it will definitely dodge


          Here you are just mistaken, because a tub (with intensive roll over, angle of attack, and even a giving foot) is the only maneuver to date that allows you to dodge a missile, although visual contact with it is more likely to be more accurate with its trail), well, and as a kind of this “semi-cushion” maneuver "AN EAR".

          But in this case, COBRA is just an ideal and motionless target, during which a guaranteed 100% defeat of SAM; soldier

          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv April 30 2013 14: 23 New
            +2
            Civil Aviation Pilot Who Wished to Remain Unknown, Madrid, Spain:

            “The airplane in the film is similar in model to the MD-80 I fly on. Is the whitewacker trick possible? Only if you are drunk or under cocaine! This is pure madness. Theoretically, of course, you can turn the plane over like that. But not in terms of flight and, of course, not with a full cabin of passengers. There was a case when one pilot demonstrated Boeing to a company-buyer and made a barrel on it. He was instantly fired.
            What happens for drunkenness during a flight? Deprivation of a pilot’s license. Either suspension from flights for a long time, but this is if you are very lucky. " drinks
            1. VAF
              VAF April 30 2013 14: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: mhpv
              This is pure madness. Theoretically, of course, you can turn the plane over like that.


              Any pilot can have his own opinion, but ... certain figures. Which seem to be "scary" and "terrible" can be performed with almost miserable overloads. and for large cars, including passenger, one of the most important criteria is the operation of fuel automation. and specifically pumping pumps, the type of which, installed on citizens, do not like to work “upside down”, as a result of which the engines can just “get up”, and here immediately there are a lot of “drop dead” problems!

              And about that. that the pilot was fired ... I won’t believe such an advertisement fellow
              1. Botanologist
                Botanologist April 30 2013 14: 50 New
                +1
                Quote: vaf
                certain figures. which seem to be "scary" and "terrible" can be performed with almost miserable overloads



                Welcome drinks !
                Happy Solidarity! drinks drinks
                Well, with Victory Day, of course! drinks fellow soldier

                And about the tubs, etc. - in my opinion, it’s cheaper to send a dozen Mi-28 and a regiment of friendly special forces (from Belarus, for example) to Syria and take out all this evil together with from the air defense systems and MANPADS. Well, with Jordan and Turkey see where it will be more painful to seat for negotiations.
                1. VAF
                  VAF April 30 2013 14: 57 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Botanologist
                  in my opinion, it’s cheaper to send a dozen Mi-28s to Syria and a regiment of friendly special forces (from Belarus, for example)


                  Greetings, dear! Unfortunately, it’s not cheaper and practically not feasible, as evidenced by 10 years of experience of the war “beyond the river”, and the first “Czech company” (when they reached the ridge and that’s all ... all the movement forward .. ended "!"

                  And there were much more than a dozen helicopters and attack aircraft!
  11. Manager
    Manager April 30 2013 10: 37 New
    +4
    I think they shot at anyone and they knew for anyone that they wouldn’t get it. A kind of provocation. But what good is it from her? Like Russians think again, you protect the terrorists! Let us come to Syria and put things in order? This is a breeeeater!
    But then the question! What for? For what? What goals were pursued?
  12. Rashid
    Rashid April 30 2013 10: 37 New
    +1
    Yes, here’s the title of the article as it’s alarming "Syrian missiles." Tomorrow will be a continuation of how members of the "Assad Army" (another idiotic expression) fired at a civilian plane, and even a Russian one.
  13. Tolik.
    Tolik. 975 April 30 2013 10: 38 New
    0
    An information duck and ... an airline advertisement: "In what! Even we dodge missiles!" Love the movie fellow
  14. Andy
    Andy April 30 2013 10: 52 New
    +2
    but for some reason no one thought here that the launch could actually be. By the stupid hope of getting a liner, from idleness or just making a rustle? there are a lot of questions and incomprehensions to the details, but remember what kind of creatures forgive the rebels there are working. There are Libyan people walking around
  15. Averias
    Averias April 30 2013 10: 55 New
    +3
    This really bothers me very much, quote: "The pilot noticed a flash from the bottom!?!?! From the cockpit? I don’t know how on this plane, but in the TU-134 I was in the cockpit, the view is not so hot. On the course yes, on the sides yes, but from the bottom ... If you estimate the viewing angle, from what distance did you need to shoot, what would the pilot notice (considering the speed of the aircraft)? Yes, and if they fired from MANPADS, taking into account the altitude of the aircraft, it’s difficult to notice the flash. I'm not an expert, but still it all looks strange.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 30 2013 12: 09 New
      +1
      The plane made a half barrel at that time. The only way.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 30 2013 12: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Averias
      "The pilot noticed a flash from the bottom!?!?!

      Of course. The pilot, turning on the autopilot, stood at the window? he sniffed something and looked at the delights of the earth from above in the hope of seeing something that would immediately place his name in the Guinness Book of Records. And then suddenly it’s a flash. It is not known from what. The main thing is below. And here the pilot thought: What if it is a rocket?
  16. silver_roman
    silver_roman April 30 2013 10: 55 New
    0
    8 km. - too high for a game or arrow. and given that if there was a shot, it was not perpendicular to the line of the aircraft’s course and therefore the distance was even greater ... maybe some desperate action movie fired ... although there were a lot of options. Special would not even try to do this! at least with a manual air defense system. and like another they don’t have today. correct if I am wrong
  17. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 30 2013 11: 00 New
    0
    Quote: starpom

    The highest mountain in Syria (they write that the plane flew over the mountainous terrain) - 2814 m. Mount Sheikh (Hermon). Typically, civil aviation goes in the corridor of 8000-10000 m. So the problem is

    Not just a problem! Amer most likely, they shot than something else! Charged to the plane! Yes, and as you will notice the plane at an altitude of 8000- VISUALLY almost no matter how!
    So WAITING - Something!
  18. Vtel
    Vtel April 30 2013 11: 04 New
    +1
    “The crew of a passenger plane simply cannot see what is behind it. And what flies towards is double speed. You won’t have time to do anything here. As for the outbreaks, it could be thunderous peals, but we must look what the weather was like. ”

    Indeed, what can be seen from such a height, except perhaps the serial number of the rocket.
    passengers and pilots saw bright flashes, but are not sure if it was shelling.

    Not sure, don't fantasize. With fear, and not even dream of. The main thing for safety is not to fly on a shaver, but somewhere around 10-20 thousand m is better in the stratosphere.
  19. Vitali-46
    Vitali-46 April 30 2013 11: 11 New
    +1
    Peace be with you forum users !! Imagine you are standing on the ground, holding your MANPADS, a ship is flying at an altitude of 8000 m. Will you see it? Well, or hear it? Well, let the shooting really be! BUT it is embarrassing that the pilots saw the flashes on the ground , at an altitude of 8000m. What’s the way ?? What’s there, the whole cabin is glass ?? And what kind of flash should there be to notice it from such a distance!? But what about the spinning airliner ... belay

    Regards to you !!!!!
  20. Muxalet
    Muxalet April 30 2013 11: 52 New
    +3
    1. Passenger aircraft are not equipped with a warning system.
    2. It is technically not possible to take the plane away from the rocket, especially from the ground-to-air class with infrared or laser guidance, EVEN if the rocket was built in the 70-80s.
    3. The plane does not go at supersonic sound.
    4. The speed of the rocket exceeds the speed of the aircraft.
    5. Pilots could not know about the approach of the rocket and as a result instantly gain altitude, which is also technically not possible. This is not a fighter for you.
    6. Air-to-ground missiles during the explosion fly apart into small fragments. This is the purpose of the charge.
    7. If it were true and the missiles were only true, how pilots learned about the fired
    missiles that do not take off above 4000 m?

    I can believe that the missiles are true, and the whole story is embellished under the good old fairy tale about the hero-pilots.
  21. waisson
    waisson April 30 2013 11: 57 New
    +1
    The Federal Air Transport Agency said that when the Syrian airspace was crossed by a Russian airline using a Sharm el-Sheikh-Kazan flight, the crew of the aircraft recorded military operations on the ground, which, in his opinion, could pose a threat to the aircraft and were on board 159 passengers. Later, the airliner landed safely in Kazan.
    "What kind of flashes these were, it’s hard to say yet."
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. April 30 2013 12: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: waisson
      by a Russian airline


      NORD WINDPurely Russian, Russian name.
      Those. The North Wind is no longer rushing.
      Here, interestingly, but in Russian, but at least in Cyrillic, are there any foreign airlines? Probably in Greece ... everything is there.

      And on the news, crap is complete - they noticed flashes, probably rockets, dodged on the A320 ... Yeah, yeah ...
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 30 2013 13: 19 New
        +1
        About the names right to the bull's eye. good
        It’s good that they have not yet called the “Northern WIND” or “NORD Wind”!
      2. VAF
        VAF April 30 2013 14: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        NORD WIND Purely Russian, Russian name.
        Those. The North Wind is no longer rushing.


        Hello Anton,! Unfortunately you are right, companies with logos of names in Russian can be counted on the fingers!
        What to do .. "new thinking" ... request

  22. Muxalet
    Muxalet April 30 2013 12: 04 New
    +1
    In principle, the launch of missiles could be detected by Syria’s air defense radars and it was necessary to write directly .... It’s interesting that the Israeli F-16s fly over Syria at home and the air defense is inactive, and then they see the launch of MANPADS, "they evade "... well, if Al-Jazeera had thrown this news, everything is clear .. :) you’ll take them from them. But to the Russian media? For whom or what is this nonsense designed for?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 30 2013 12: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Muxalet
      For whom or what is this nonsense


      Discussed with Obama no-fly zone
    2. Cynic
      Cynic April 30 2013 17: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Muxalet
      But to the Russian media?

      This is what leads to certain thoughts.
      Pessimistic, let’s say so.
      There was already something similar.
  23. Petrovich44
    Petrovich44 April 30 2013 12: 39 New
    +2
    As a source in power structures in Moscow told Interfax, rockets fired in the direction of the airliner exploded a few hundred meters from the fuselage. “At the time of the shelling, the liner was at an altitude of about 9800 meters, while the first rocket exploded at an altitude of 9200 meters, the other - 8900 meters,” the source said. According to him, after the shelling, air traffic controllers gave the “go-ahead” to the crew in an emergency to raise the plane another almost 1000 meters higher. “Thus, the crew was able to save the car and people from flying shrapnel,” the source added.
    ____________
    Yeah. In a split second, the plane ascended a kilometer up.
  24. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 30 2013 13: 38 New
    0
    Perhaps this information is a subtle hint to the militants and their owners, because in Russia there appeared Special Operations Forces that can operate around the world.
  25. Uncle
    Uncle April 30 2013 13: 52 New
    +1
    I'm not special, but remember, they shot down an Israeli plane during exercises with the C300? So the C300 is such a bandura, and then MANPADS!
    1. VAF
      VAF April 30 2013 14: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Uncle
      So 300 is such a bandura, and then MANPADS!


      Well, this is where the missile will go. Even and MANPADS, plus which plane, + the consequences of this hit are fire. Destruction of the structure (power set), etc.

      Although the cape is normal. if the engine, then the fire can be extinguished and, at worst, reset, and go on one.

      in fact, passenger liners are sturdy, by design good

      1988 year. Hawaii. Flight 243 Aloha Airlines. Boeing 737-200 a / k Aloha Airlines, flying from Hilo airport to Honolulu, suddenly "lost" a significant part of the fuselage structure.
      As a result, passengers and flight attendants were exposed to the oncoming air flow and oxygen starvation.
      One stewardess is thrown out by a stream of air and her body will not be found.
      Pilots were able to safely land in a / p Maui on the island of Kauai. The reason is fatigue cracks.

      1. Uncle
        Uncle April 30 2013 14: 27 New
        +1
        Photo scrap! And he sat down !!! Just some kind of miracle. But those former USSR citizens who flew from Israel were not lucky.
        And hit is not required, the liner turned into a sieve with balls. I saw it on TV.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 30 2013 16: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: Uncle
          Photo scrap!


          And he has no other
          1. VAF
            VAF April 30 2013 17: 35 New
            +5
            Quote: Vadivak
            And he has no other


            Vadim drinks !

            Almost Phoenix, although many say that it’s an Angel, but Phoenix is ​​more relevant to me! fellow

            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt April 30 2013 17: 57 New
              +1
              monument of glory in Samara, well, one to one bully
      2. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 30 2013 15: 03 New
        +1
        Only recently I watched the film "Air crash", there was this plot and funny catastrophes. There are enough cranks hi
    2. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 30 2013 14: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Uncle
      So 300 is such a bandura, and then MANPADS!

      Yes, in general, it is not clear what they shot.
  26. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 30 2013 15: 18 New
    +6
    A selection of curious and reliable (!) Radio conversations between the pilots of the airliners and the control tower controllers.

    Tower: - To avoid noise, deviate, please, by 45 degrees to the right.
    Pilot: - What kind of noise can we create here, at an altitude of 35000 feet?
    Tower: - Roar if your 737 collides with the 727 coming in front!

    Tower: - Are you an 320 or 340 airbus?
    Pilot: - Of course, A340!
    HSE: - Then, will you be kind enough to start the other two engines before starting?

    Pilot: - Good morning, Bratislava.
    HSE: - Good morning. For your information, says Vienna.
    Pilot: - I'm going to land in Bratislava.
    HSE: - Vienna is really here.
    Pilot: - Vienna?
    Tower: - Yes
    Pilot: - But why? We need to go to Bratislava.
    HSE: - Okay! Then stop the approach and fly left

    Tower to the pilot, who made a painfully hard landing: - Landing should not remain a secret. Passengers should feel without fear that they are already downstairs.
    Pilot: - Ah, nothing. They always applaud anyway.

    Pilot "Alitalia", in which half of the devices are paralyzed by a lightning strike:
    - We have almost everything failed. Nothing works. Even our altimeter shows nothing ...
    Pilot of another liner:
    - Shut up and die like a man!



    Pilot: - We have little fuel. I urgently ask you to order.
    HSE: - Where are you located? I do not have you on the screen.
    Pilot: - We are standing on the 2 lane and have been waiting for the refueler for ages.

    HSE: - Do you have problems?
    Pilot: - Lost my compass.
    HSE: - No wonder. So, as you fly, you can lose all the instruments.

    Tower: - After boarding, please park on taxiways Alpha7, Alpha 5, Whiskey 2, Delta 1 and Osсar 2.
    Pilot: - And where is all this? We are not oriented here.
    HSE: - I do not know, I myself am only the second day here

    Pilot: - I ask permission to take off
    Tower: - Sorry, we do not have your flight plan. Where do you intend to fly?
    Pilot: - Like every Monday, to Salzburg.
    HSE: - But today is Tuesday!
    Pilot: - What? Then today is our day off.

    Pilot: - What, there is no escort car (Follow-me-car)?
    Tower: - No. See for yourself how you get to the parking lot.

    Tower: - Height and location?
    Pilot: - I have eighty meters, I'm sitting in front of the right.

    Tower to a private pilot: - And who is on board?
    Pilot: - A pilot, two passengers and a dog.
    The tower, after a rather hard landing of the plane: - I suppose a dog was sitting at the helm?

    Tower: - Do you have enough fuel or not?
    Pilot: - Yes
    HSE: - What, yes?
    Pilot: - Yes, sir !!!

    Tower: - Please tell us your estimated time of arrival.
    Pilot: - Hmmmmmmm ... I would be well suited for Tuesday.

    Personally present in the cockpit, flight Noyabrsk - Domodedovo, Tu-154, Tyumenaviatrans, winter 1997 of the year:
    Pilot (turning from MKAD to Domodedovo): where to land?
    HSE: x @ y know him ...
    Pilot: right or left? (for reference: in Domodedovo there are two parallel runways, perpendicular, in turn, MKAD)
    Tower: 64 parking!
    Pilot: what is the x @ th parking, tell the strip!
    HSE: x @ th knows him, go to the center!
    Pilot: I understand, I'm going to the center!
    Right at the rate, the Domodedovo terminal is getting closer and closer ... Everyone is silent ...
    Tower, unexpectedly: quickly, to the left!
    Pilot: I understand you!
    The maneuver was incomparable. If I were sitting in the tail, I would surely have snapped.
    After touching the tower: 64 parking!
    Pilot: @ No. # $% @@@@ & ^ * # $ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I understand you, go to 64!
    1. Uncle
      Uncle April 30 2013 15: 30 New
      0
      Yes! In Domodedovo, this is our way.
    2. VAF
      VAF April 30 2013 17: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: mhpv
      A selection of curious and reliable (!) Radio conversations between the pilots of the airliners and the control tower controllers.


      000/000, +! good drinks
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 30 2013 19: 58 New
        +1
        He neighing to tears. wassat
  27. Captain45
    Captain45 April 30 2013 16: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Muxalet
    if Al-Jazeera had thrown this news, everything is clear .. :) Th you will take them. But to the Russian media? For whom or what is this nonsense designed for?

    And so that in Sharm Sheikhs they wound less, and at home they sat, well, to the extremes in Karelia, to fish.
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 30 2013 16: 07 New
      +1
      Do not nakraynyak it in Magadan for crabs laughing
  28. Captain45
    Captain45 April 30 2013 16: 35 New
    +1
    In general, as the Bunsh manager said: “I am tormented by vague doubts,” the Americans say about Syria in Syria, ours have shown that they fired at a civilian plane yesterday about NTV about jihadists in Syria, they are preparing public opinion for something.
  29. Apollo
    Apollo April 30 2013 17: 26 New
    +1
    Terrorists showed missiles that shot at a Russian plane

    A video was published in which terrorists opposing the government forces of Bashar al-Assad transported the Soviet missile system SNR-125M a day before the shelling of a Russian aircraft.
    The complex is located on a truck and incorporates two missiles. However, specialists know that to launch these missiles requires guidance with the help of a radar, which was not visible on the video.
    Recall that the A-320 plane of the Russian charter airline NordWind Airlines, which operated the Sharm el-Sheikh-Kazan flight, was bombarded over Syrian territory on April 29. The missiles reached an altitude of 9,2 km and exploded a few hundred meters from the passenger liner.
    Perhaps it was the lack of a radar installation among the rebels that saved the lives of passengers, since in normal mode the CHP-125M complex in 100% of cases knocks down a similar target.

    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 30 2013 18: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      The complex is located on a truck and incorporates two missiles.

      The complex is not two missiles on a truck !!! An anti-aircraft missile system includes a lot of things besides a missile, for example, a target detection station, a target tracking station, a backlight station (possibly), a command transmission station, a radar inquiries, power supply system, etc ...

      Here, the transport-loading machine is only a lish. It cannot even launch missiles or even launch.
      Quote: Apollon
      Perhaps it was the lack of a radar installation among the rebels that saved the lives of passengers

      Without it, they would not be able to launch at all, for the rocket would not capture the target.
  30. igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 April 30 2013 19: 27 New
    +1
    Hi, Special news from the Middle East. The Yankees in the smoke determined that they were poisonous gases. Jordan allowed the Israeli air force to use the airspace. Our media are still far from Dr. Goebels but are learning quickly. There were flashes far below, it means they hit the plane even slightly. , And the pilots excuse me for nothing that they are flying over us, And the far-sighted and their heads are turning like in the Great Patriotic War, and most importantly, everyone notices that the air force fliers of the Russian Federation are far from them, By chance, the wands suddenly became heroes, Now let the specialists break their heads to as they famously coped with the threat, And the main peacekeepers with a smile are watching our attempts to show that we are not too fast-witted,
  31. ixsus
    ixsus April 30 2013 20: 39 New
    0
    And immediately, we were banned from flying to Syria, not particularly understanding the situation. Someone really does not want our airliners to fly there. IHMO.