A fleet of ghost ships disappears into oblivion.

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A fleet of ghost ships disappears into oblivion.

Oh yes, as the unforgettable Popandopoulos used to say, although he's a completely fictional character, we're really on the brink of a major disaster. It's worth living in the era to see something like this, like a whole fleet ships under the proud American flag will sink into the abyss stories and will take with it to the bottom the chests... No, perhaps the containers with dollars.

Let's not drag out the you-know-why: the US Navy has announced the cancellation of the troubled Constellation-class frigate program due to delays and significant budget overruns.




The Constellation-class frigate program (FFG-62) was originally designed to build up to 20 ships, with the total cost of the program estimated at approximately $22 billion.

On November 24, US Navy Secretary John Phelan (a real man of steel, I must say!) announced that the department was officially terminating the Constellation program as part of a "strategic shift."


The cancellation of the contract is part of the Pentagon's efforts to improve spending efficiency, reduce the cost of purchased equipment and weapons, as well as the redistribution of resources across the armed forces with an emphasis on accelerating procurement.

"From Day One, I've made it clear: I won't spend a dollar unless it improves our readiness or ability to win," said Navy Secretary John Phelan. "To deliver on that promise, we're transforming the way we build and operate our fleet—working with industry to deliver a warfighting advantage, starting with the strategic exit of the Constellation program."

"The Navy and our shipbuilding industry partners have reached an agreement to cancel construction of the final four ships of this class, which has not yet begun, in the best interests of the Navy," Phelan said. "We greatly appreciate the contributions of shipbuilders in Wisconsin and Michigan. While work on the first two ships continues, they remain under consideration as part of this strategic shift."

As a result, Fincantieri Marinette Marine's Wisconsin shipyard will continue building Constellation (FFG-62) and Congress (FFG-63), but will abandon the remaining four frigates.

In fact, the phrase "I won't spend a dollar unless it improves our readiness or ability to win" is a golden phrase that every defense minister in any country should, in theory, take up.

Secretary of the Navy John C. Phelan is a fascinating character. While he's not exactly a military man, he's a skilled economist with two degrees (including one from Harvard) and a former executive at Michael Dell's Dell Technologies who went freelance. He's known for throwing a party that netted Trump $38 million in campaign funds in a single evening. And when such a man starts stomping on those who profit from supplying the Navy, he does so with understanding.

A bit of history and money



After the last successful series of surface ships for the US Navy was built (and these, as you've guessed, were the Arleigh Burke destroyers), a certain... stupor set in. Everything designed and built for warships turned into a "black hole" into which millions of dollars were wasted.

It was very difficult to find exact numbers, but this is what we got:

- the LST project (littoral "Freedom" and "Independence", 32 instead of 60 pieces) consumed more than 31 billion dollars;
- $22,5 billion was spent on Zumwalt-class destroyers (3 units);
- $7,3 billion was spent on three Seawolf-class submarines.

That's "only" $60 billion. Something like Hungary's 2024 budget.

And then there's the Constellation frigate project, which has already spent $2,5 billion and wasted it all. And Phelan, who understands that adding the entire planned $7,6 billion to the $2,5 billion would result in even more expenses and fewer results. Saving $5 billion is still a significant amount.

Why did you decide to abandon frigates?



After all, the Constellation-class frigates, based on the Italian Navy's Fregata Europea Multi-Missione (FREMM) multi-purpose frigates, were supposed to replace the problematic Freedom and Independence-class littoral combat ships, which were being retired.

However, to meet the US Navy's more stringent survivability criteria, Marinette had to make significant design changes. The program has become, to put it mildly, a headache (a more appropriate term would be "brain cancer"), and the commissioning of the lead ship, Constellation, FFG-62, has been delayed by more than three years. Originally scheduled for commissioning in 2026, this will now not happen until 2029. If that happens.

Amazingly, this ship, the first in the series, is currently only 10-12% complete.

"Sometimes it's better to just design a new ship," former Navy acquisition chief Nicholas Guertin said in February, describing the difficulty of reconfiguring an existing design. "It turns out that changing someone else's design is much more difficult than it seems."

Here, of course, one can shrug one's shoulders and sympathize. Moreover, as of April 2025, when the ship was scheduled to be delivered, by a strange coincidence, the frigate had not yet been completed, even though construction was well underway and approximately 10% complete.

Earlier this year, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) released an estimate that the US Navy's Constellation-class frigates will weigh at least 759 metric tons more, a 13% increase over previous projections. It's important to understand that increased displacement also increases cost, as there are a number of assumptions involved.

Unplanned weight gain during ship construction can negatively impact a ship's capabilities. The Navy strives to modify and improve the ship's initial characteristics during its planned service life. Such modifications can either improve or detract from the frigates' combat effectiveness, limit their ability to expand their capabilities to counter threats, and shorten their planned service life.

The question is what the Americans were hoping to achieve: FREMM or a completely new project based on the Italian design. Frankly, compared to the initial target of 85%, the similarity between the Constellation-class frigates and the FREMM designs ultimately amounts to only about 15%.


The future of the Constellation-class ships came under intense scrutiny this year when US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered the military to develop plans to significantly cut defense spending over the next five years. The nonpartisan Project on Government Oversight then proposed canceling the frigate program.

The latest decision has sparked mixed reactions from experts. Some called it a long-overdue, bold move that would free up funds for other projects. Some even speculated about what alternatives the US Navy might consider.

Naval Lookout, a well-known British naval resource, wrote: "A Canadian variant of the T26 River-class would be an ideal alternative to Constellation, but there are doubts the US will turn to foreign manufacturers again—there's too much arrogance and corruption in US defense procurement. The US Navy's failure to develop a successful new surface combatant in 30 years is a very serious problem for the free world..."

And then there's China...


The United States has repeatedly expressed growing concern over the rapid expansion and modernization of the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLA Navy), viewing it as the most serious long-term challenge to American maritime dominance since the end of the Cold War.

According to previous Pentagon estimates, the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) operates approximately 400 ships. And what kind…


But the problem is that the threat of this challenge from China exists only in American minds, but it directly hits the American budget no more harshly than the Chinese ones. missilesThis is where the “Chinese threat” comes from, which has almost completely replaced the “Russian threat.”


Well, they can't live in America without a threat looming over the country. They just can't—that's all there is to it. It's a classic, though:

"How can this be? There's a threat hanging over me!"
And there is nothing more terrible than this threat!”
(Alexander Bashlachev, "The Feat of a Scout", 1984)

And, true to form, the American think tank Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) stated in its March 2025 report, “Ship Warfare: Confronting China’s Dual-Custom Shipbuilding Empires,” that by 2030, China will have a fleet of 425 ships, compared to the US Navy’s 300.

For its part, the United States is more concerned about the pace of construction of these ships than their sophistication. Although the US Navy, according to (American) analysts, maintains a qualitative advantage—better-trained crews, more sophisticated systems—the country's leadership is alarmed by the scale of shipbuilding in China.

"I have no doubt about our ships and how we train and employ them. But the numbers? That's concerning," said Admiral James W. Kilby, acting Chief of Naval Operations. "Virtually all of our shipbuilding projects are behind schedule."

The People's Liberation Army Navy (PLA Navy) has approximately 50 frigates. These are primarily modern guided-missile frigates, such as the Type 054A class, which forms the backbone of the fleet, as well as the newer Type 054B class.


The Type 054A is a multi-role platform optimized for anti-submarine warfare, air defense, and surface attack. The Type 054B features improved stealth characteristics and advanced sensors.

Both are considered critical to securing China's "extensive maritime claims," ​​particularly in the South China Sea. And in the event of a potential conflict with Taiwan, the frigates would form surface groups to provide blockade or support amphibious landings, shifting from "near-coast defense" to "off-coast defense."

In contrast, the United States has no operational frigates.

When it comes to guided-missile cruisers and destroyers, the United States still has the advantage. Destroyers, in particular, are considered the backbone of any navy due to their speed, range, and versatility.


However, frigates in the 4000- to 8000-ton range represent a cost-effective way to achieve numerical superiority, improve the effectiveness of distributed operations, and maintain a high tempo of combat operations.


China's advantage in frigates and corvettes could be offset by US dominance in cruisers and destroyers, according to a CSIS report titled "Analysis of China's Naval Buildup."

During World War II, these small ships played a vital role as radar picket vessels, fleet protection ships, and convoy escorts, the report states. It also notes that they could play a similar role in future conflicts.

In a modern conflict, they could serve similar roles: engaging enemy ships in the littoral waters of the Indo-Pacific region or performing other missions that naval planners haven't yet envisioned. The US Navy appears to realize that it may be overinvesting in larger cruisers and destroyers.
- the report says.

This appears to be the case, especially given that, as USNI 1 reports, the Naval Service is currently conducting a fleet structure review that will impact the military's development of new systems. However, the publication added that the Navy requires 73 small surface combatants.

It's all very simple: three modern, small (compared to a destroyer) frigates carry more weapons and can fire them, creating a salvo so dense that a destroyer's crews might be unable to cope. Furthermore, even if one ship is destroyed, the other two remain combat-ready. Even a complete failure of a frigate would result in fewer human and material losses than a destroyer.

Yes, building a frigate fleet will require a slightly larger number of personnel, but for China, as you can imagine, this isn't a problem at all. Today, a destroyer and a frigate are roughly the same pair as a destroyer and a torpedo boat 80 years ago. That is, in principle, the torpedo boats that served in many countries played roughly the same roles as destroyers (minelaying, torpedo attacks, anti-submarine warfare, escort duty, and rescue), except, perhaps, Defense, which on these ships was weaker due to their size.

But size, oddly enough, doesn't always matter. German Type 39 destroyers (also called "torpedo ships," and even more obtuse authors call them "torpedo boats," although a boat with a displacement of 1300 tons is quite extraordinary) were quite advanced ships:

- displacement 1300 tons;
- speed - 39 knots;
- cruising range - 2400 miles;
- radar and sonar;
- armament: 4 x 105 mm guns, 2 x 2 x 37 mm machine guns, 1 x 4 x 20 mm machine gun, 2 x 1 x 20 mm machine guns, 2 triple-tube torpedo tubes, 4 anti-submarine mortars and 30-60 mines.


Not a destroyer, but one with ambitions. Five such ships, covering the blockade runner Münsterland, dispersed the British force under Captain Fisher, consisting of the light cruiser Charybdis and six destroyers, at the Battle of Saint-Île in October 1943. The Germans, clearly superior in training and technical mastery, sank the cruiser Charybdis with torpedoes and fired two shells into the destroyer Limbourne: one in the torpedo tube, the other in the powder magazine. After this, Limbourne ceased to exist as a ship and, after the crew was rescued, was finished off by her own forces.

Ultimately, more than 500 British sailors, including their commander, Fisher, perished. A good example of when size doesn't matter.

And it would seem that this is it—Constellation-class frigates to replace the aging Arleigh Burke-class destroyers (old in age, but actually quite capable)—the solution. But no, on November 25, US Navy Secretary John Phelan signed the frigates' death warrant. And the US Navy canceled the construction program for the new Constellation-class frigates, "to focus on new types of warships that the US Navy can build more quickly."

This, of course, requires a separate understanding, but we have what we have. First of all, I'd like to understand what these "new types of ships" are all about, which, moreover, will be built faster. But this is a matter of patience and time.

In the meantime, under the terms agreed upon with Fincantieri Marinette Marine in Marinette, Wisconsin, the shipyard will continue building the first two frigates, the FFG 62 Constellation and FFG 63 Congress, for the US Navy, but the next four frigates already under contract will be cancelled.

"The new 'framework,'" Secretary Phelan said, "allows the U.S. Navy to build new types of ships faster and deliver the warfighting capabilities our service members need in greater numbers and more quickly. This is critical, and I look forward to sharing more details soon."

It would be interesting, indeed, since not only money but also the prestige of the US Navy is at stake in this wild carnival. Canceling such an order is a powerful move, but it raises the question: what next?


A Fincantieri source said the cost of continuing work on the first two frigates, plus compensation payments agreed upon with the US government, would total $3 billion, and the US Navy had also agreed to award Fincantieri Marinette Marine $2 billion in new orders as compensation.

That's a savings of 4,6 billion and two ships, which they'll have to figure out where to put them. Apparently, they'll be assigned to the "Unlucky Fates" special squadron with the "Zumvolts."

The total cost of the 20-frigate design and construction program for the US Navy was expected to be $19,81 billion. But something went wrong.

While the initial idea of ​​using a ready-made European design as the basis for the FFG(X) frigates was intended to reduce the cost of designing the ships, the subsequent constant introduction of new requirements by the US Navy and the requirement to meet American military standards led to a radical redesign of the FREMM project and, in essence, to the creation of a new type of frigate, which predictably led to an increase in the cost of both R&D and the ships themselves, and to a significant delay in the design and start of construction.

And then the chain continues: size increased, displacement increased, costs increased. There's no need to point fingers here: it's the US Navy, whose services produced 511 documents modifying the original ship design. And is it any wonder Constellation and FREMM only have 15% in common? Of course, it's all very complicated.

A silly, topical example: can a Vesta be turned into a car? Obviously, no, but let's say: a BMW engine, a Mercedes suspension, a Toyota automatic transmission... So, what about fast, smooth, and reliable? Sure, but wouldn't it be easier to go with something concrete, so as not to make a mess of things? A hodgepodge of wishlists only produces more ugliness. That's what the Americans are swooping in on. And that's why the Sozvezdie is still going strong.

The original FFG(X) program was based on the idea of ​​the Navy acquiring frigates at a cost of $900 million per ship, with the cost of two frigates ultimately being less than that of one Arleigh Burke-class destroyer. However, improvements, refinements, and modifications meant that the price of a production frigate would eventually reach approximately $1,6 billion per ship, a ratio of three frigates for two destroyers. Perhaps someone predicted that the price would rise to $2 billion per ship as all Navy requirements were met. This, however, completely undermined the entire idea, as it would have been easier to continue building Arleigh Burkes without any fuss, and simply replace their aging equipment with new ones.

And here it is no longer surprising that the new leadership of the US Navy Department has eliminated this program.

Indeed, it is easier to first put the military in place, and have them first answer the question of what they need from a ship, and then design the ship itself to suit their wishes, than to try to shove all sorts of things into an existing ship.

And while the admirals are pondering this, they should be properly jailed for answering the question, "What's next for this junk?" While the Seawolfs are more or less serviceable, the Freedoms, Independences, Zumvolts, and Constellations—alas, their combat value is more than questionable.

Either it really is a fleet of ghost ships, whose place is in some half-abandoned naval base on a remote atoll (so as not to be an eyesore for taxpayers), or a "Squadron of Losers" that could be thrown into the forefront of an attack on China. Radio-controlled. Packed with explosives. If they make it, it'll be interesting. DroneA billion-dollar kamikaze—that's a lot. Although very stupid. However, it really is a headache for the US Navy.

The question is what the US Navy is left with in the face of the "Chinese threat." Aircraft carriers and Arleigh Burkes. The situation is, frankly, debatable.
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  1. +9
    4 December 2025 04: 24
    But the FFG(X) program was originally based on the idea of ​​the Navy receiving frigates at a price of $900 million per unit, and the cost of two frigates ended up being less than the cost of one Arleigh Burke-class destroyer.

    They initially chose the wrong concept. The fact is, Italy and Spain don't have Berk-class guided missile destroyers, and their frigates (among the best in the world) cover the capabilities of both these classes. That is, they can't build both destroyers and frigates at the same time, so they combined the best in a single hull. That's why they ended up "expensive and luxurious." But the Americans have destroyers, lots of them, and they lack a cheap complement ready to perform anti-submarine defense and anti-aircraft missions. By choosing the Italian version as a frigate, they ended up with a baffling creature that's slightly less expensive than the Berk-class.
    The fact that they realized their mistake (even belatedly) is certainly good for them, but they wasted a lot of time. It's unclear where they'll end up.
    1. +6
      4 December 2025 07: 12
      Quote: Puncher
      That's why they put the best of both worlds together in one building. That's why they turned out "expensive and luxurious."

      I absolutely agree.
      It's odd, then, that there was, in my opinion, a far more interesting Danish project, the Absalon/Iver Huitfeldt. And in 2019, the Japanese Mogami project was launched, which is currently among the most high-tech in its class. In six years, the Japanese have built a dozen ships, which is very impressive, not to mention the Chinese records. And the cost of the Japanese project is no more than 30% of that of the Berk...
      1. -3
        4 December 2025 07: 18
        Secretary of the Navy John C. Phelan is a fascinating character. While he's not exactly a military man, he's a skilled economist with two degrees (including one from Harvard) and a former executive at Michael Dell's Dell Technologies who went freelance. He's known for throwing a party that netted Trump $38 million for his campaign in a single evening.

        Can he even grill shashlik? Wow, effective managers have made it to the US Navy. That's great; the US Navy is headed for optimization and subsequent degradation. good
        1. +6
          4 December 2025 11: 27
          Quote: Civil
          Wow, effective managers have made it to the US Navy. This is wonderful; the American Navy is facing optimization and subsequent degradation.

          They managed this even without effective managers. The literary workers are a good example of this.
          They were ordered as inexpensive, mass-produced ships capable of replacing destroyers (in secondary theaters of war), frigates, and other such ships. What they received were expensive aluminum cans (of two types, actually), incapable of performing most of their assigned missions and requiring the support of the main fleet forces (the very same ones they were supposed to free up) to operate. The "Constellations" appeared because the US Navy had previously decommissioned the OHP and abandoned the frigate-class ships altogether, placing its hopes on the littoral ships.
        2. +2
          4 December 2025 17: 03
          Let's wish the new minister success in saving money in the navy. This isn't about collecting donations.
      2. -2
        4 December 2025 09: 54
        Quote: Doccor18
        And in 2019, the Japanese Mogami project was launched.

        Just right for the USA.
    2. +7
      4 December 2025 10: 34
      Quote: Puncher
      But the Americans have destroyers, a lot of them, and they lack a cheap complement ready to perform anti-submarine defense and anti-submarine warfare missions. Having chosen the Italian version as a frigate, they ended up with an incomprehensible creature that is slightly less expensive than the Berkovs.

      The US Navy had a very... unique idea of ​​a cheap frigate. They needed a cheap ship, but one with Aegis and capable of escorting a strike group (like the old destroyer escorts) if necessary.
      Basically, just as the Arleigh Burke was a cheaper version of the Tika, the new frigate was supposed to be a cheaper version of the Burke. But instead of designing a "stripped-down" destroyer from scratch, they decided to save even more money and used an existing European frigate design. Which required some modifications. And so it all began...

      There's only one question left: if the Yankees needed a ready-made FR with "Aegis", then why didn't they take the Spanish "Alvaro de Bazan" as a base? what
      1. 0
        4 December 2025 10: 40
        Quote: Alexey RA
        There's only one question left: if the Yankees needed a ready-made FR with "Aegis", then why didn't they take the Spanish "Alvaro de Bazan" as a base?

        It would have been even more expensive. Bazan is a superfrigate, Berk is for the poor.
        Quote: Alexey RA
        The US Navy had a very... peculiar idea of ​​a cheap frigate.

        They are "a little fed up" and their desires do not diminish, although they have been burned before.
        1. +2
          4 December 2025 11: 19
          Quote: Puncher
          It would have been even more expensive. Bazan is a superfrigate, Berk is for the poor.

          Well, then it's unclear why the Yankees didn't use him to estimate the potential value of their new FR? After all, "Bazan" fit perfectly into the TTT for "Sozvezdie." smile
      2. +1
        4 December 2025 10: 52
        Quote: Alexey RA
        then why didn't they use the Spanish "Alvaro de Bazan" as a base?

        Which even a quarter of a century ago cost $550-600 million, but now would be 2-2,5 times more expensive...
        1. +2
          4 December 2025 11: 21
          Quote: Doccor18
          Which even a quarter of a century ago cost $550-600 million, but now would be 2-2,5 times more expensive...

          Just the price of the first "Constellations". smile
      3. +1
        4 December 2025 12: 44
        If they had taken the Spanish "Alvaro di Bazan" there would have been fewer problems: it is a "castrated" "Buk"
    3. 0
      4 December 2025 12: 24
      The idea, as always, was good, but as always, the execution was lacking. The mattress makers wanted a new variation of "Perry," but got a walrus-like dick.
      1. +5
        4 December 2025 13: 14
        Quote: TermNachTER
        They wanted to get a new variation of "Perry", but got walrus horseradish.

        They didn't want the Perry in the first place. The Perry cost three times less than the Spruence... And now the frigate is 60-65% of the cost of the Burke, plus problems with the shipyards and the personnel shortage...
        1. +2
          4 December 2025 16: 23
          It's clear that everything has become more expensive. However, the initial estimate for a single Constellation was around $700 million, and with a new Björk costing around $1,4 billion, such a ship made sense. But when the cost of a frigate has surpassed a billion, the savings no longer seem so significant. And such a ship makes no sense either.
      2. +4
        4 December 2025 15: 46
        Quote: TermNachTER
        The mattress makers wanted a new variation of "Perry" but got a walrus dick.

        Nope, they wanted a ship that was priced like the Spruence's OP, but still had Aegis and could escort AVs.
        Generally, cheap, fast, high quality - and it is essential to have all three points at once. laughing

        But they could have estimated in advance using "Bazan" how much this piece of junk would cost.
        1. 0
          4 December 2025 16: 27
          The Constellations weren't designed to carry AEGIS. They were designed as second-class ships, for support missions. I wrote an article about it on this site.
          1. +3
            4 December 2025 19: 19
            Quote: TermNachTER
            The Constellations were not designed to carry AEGIS. They were designed as second-class ships, intended to perform support missions.

            Initially, it was possible. But I remember how, during the development of the Constellation project, the US Navy decided to also modernize the littoral ship design to meet new requirements. It turned out that the only way to meet the requirements was to install the Aegis. That's where the whole super-LCS story died.
            That is, even for a ship in a secondary theater of operations, the Aegis became mandatory in the late 10s and early 20s.
            1. +2
              4 December 2025 19: 59
              The cost of AEGIS immediately pushes the cost of the ship to a billion, but we wanted to save money, to keep it within 650-700 million. That's why it was originally built without AEGIS.
    4. +3
      4 December 2025 19: 50
      Quote: Puncher
      They got the concept wrong from the start.
      What a complete nonsense idea: take a European ship, stuff it with Burke equipment, and we'll get a small, cheap ship that can keep up with an aircraft carrier, chase submarines, provide air cover, and fire missiles! Attention! But why the hell?! Why would it need to be cheap? And especially small? Reducing the number of launchers won't fundamentally reduce the size. And most importantly, you're planning to butt heads with China, on the other side of the ocean. So you need an ocean-going ship, and a frigate is a long-range vessel. That's not bad, of course, but it's not the same.
  2. +3
    4 December 2025 08: 37
    All hope lies with America's greatest shipbuilder, Donald Trump. He'll design a beautiful ship, not an ugly one. Once he gets Ukraine and Venezuela sorted out, he'll get to work right away. But where will they find the shipbuilders for Trump's "beautiful" fleet?
    1. +3
      4 December 2025 12: 45
      "nuclear battleship!"
    2. +3
      4 December 2025 16: 29
      Good afternoon, Andrey. Trump is not a tactician, he's a strategist. He doesn't care about the little things.
      1. +1
        4 December 2025 16: 37
        Good afternoon Nikolai, I would tell you who Trump is. But Roman will ban me.
        1. +1
          4 December 2025 17: 48
          Yes, sometimes I want to say it, but I can't)))
    3. +2
      4 December 2025 19: 43
      Quote: tralflot1832
      But where to get shipbuilders for Trump's "beautiful" fleet?

      Trump wants South Korean and Japanese shipyards to build ships in the US. He says, "First bring in your own shipbuilders, then train our own." They're resisting, but perhaps they'll make the investment. Trump promises a lot of orders. But what will his successor say, let alone do?
      1. +1
        5 December 2025 09: 09
        Trump recently deported several hundred Koreans from Hyundai and LG factories with utter contempt and humiliation. Koreans are a retentive people.
        1. +1
          5 December 2025 13: 59
          Quote: ORINCH
          Koreans are a people of memory.

          I hope so.
          Besides, it probably wasn't he who deported them personally. It was most likely the initiative of the Democratic Party's protégés in the immigration service. There are plenty of them there, and they could have done it too. There's so much behind-the-scenes scheming going on right now, you can barely keep up with the "bulldogs."
  3. +8
    4 December 2025 09: 21
    We'd rather have their problems. At least the Americans', at least the Chinese's.
    1. +2
      4 December 2025 10: 17
      We'd rather have their problems. At least the Americans', at least the Chinese's.

      That's it)
  4. -5
    4 December 2025 09: 22
    author
    Well, and then down the chain: the dimensions increased – the displacement increased – the costs increased.

    I wouldn't emphasize this point. An increase in displacement doesn't always lead to an increase in cost.
    The opposite can also happen. For example, let me cite the British battleships Nelson and King George V.
    The second was slightly larger in displacement and even more advanced in terms of equipment, but three times cheaper. The reason for the reverse process is the decrease in cost and the increase in options for solutions when there is plenty of available space.
    1. -1
      4 December 2025 09: 56
      Quote: multicaat
      I wouldn't emphasize this point. An increase in displacement doesn't always lead to an increase in cost.

      As displacement increases, admirals start itching to cram them with additional equipment, hence the skyrocketing cost, as it adds power, compatibility calculations, and additional options in the combat information system. If only someone with a stick were standing nearby, they'd be slapping them on the wrist.
      1. -4
        4 December 2025 10: 00
        Quote: Puncher
        my hands are starting to itch to fill them with additional equipment

        but at the same time it becomes possible to use less expensive, but larger-sized solutions
        It's a two-way process, and the outcome isn't always clear. Currently, the cost of increasing displacement is so unimportant that it's insignificant as a factor in itself.
        1. -1
          4 December 2025 10: 42
          Quote: multicaat
          use less expensive but larger-sized solutions

          It would be better to increase autonomy.
          Quote: multicaat
          then in itself as a factor it is insignificant.

          If it's within reasonable limits, then yes... But where are these reasonable limits...
          1. 0
            4 December 2025 10: 45
            We're only talking about the formula "the price will obviously rise." It's not obvious.
            Moreover, look at the cost of a small-displacement corvette for Israel. It's as if the exact opposite has happened. The displacement has been reduced, but the price has increased.
            1. +1
              4 December 2025 17: 00
              Small ships are always relatively more expensive, especially if you build them in small numbers.
      2. +2
        4 December 2025 19: 29
        Quote: Puncher
        the admirals are starting to itch to fill them with additional equipment,

        Evgeny! Admirals can have all sorts of itching. But there are ship construction specifications, according to which the ship is built. If something "is wanted more" (like a system or weapon in the pipeline), then "weights and volumes" are reserved in the design for such cases. In extreme cases, everything is installed during major repairs and modernization.
        So, here's your ruble, and do whatever you want with it, but only with that ruble. And if you took on a contract but didn't complete it, then you should go bankrupt! Because the costs are yours, not the client's. This is the approach of Belousov (also not a military man, but an economist!), and it's the approach of the US Secretary of the Navy. And that's NORMAL!
        AHA.
        1. -2
          5 December 2025 08: 52
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          If something is "wanted" (like a system or some kind of weapon is on the way), then for such cases, "weights and volumes" are reserved in the design.

          I think it's high time to move toward modular design. This was partly practiced in the USSR—some weapons began to be made as self-sufficient systems in a compact space. The Americans started the trend for vertical silos, where you can stuff various things. But today, this is drastically insufficient. We need to consider a significant degree of easy replaceability right from the design stage—right down to the ability to reroute cables in cable ducts and maybe even replace engines like on tanks. Building ships from scratch is expensive. But why not design a patrol ship, for example, based on some slightly redundant standard hull with a pre-designed set of modular spaces, so that it can undergo a radical refit in a month?
          For example, what a typical frigate is today: a forward cannon module, a module with vertical silos, a module for two engines, a module for a mast with antennas, and a module at the stern for a helicopter. In 10-15 years, literally everything will be replaced in the same places.
          What is the problem???
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            5 December 2025 11: 41
            Quote: multicaat
            For example, a patrol ship based on some slightly redundant standard hull with a provided set of modular spaces,

            This idea isn't new. The Germans were the first to implement it. In 1969, Blohm und Voss built a corvette based on the MEKO design, which would use standard containers (modules) for weapons systems (weapons and avionics), bolted into slots on the carrier (ship platform).
            During the construction of the Spruance-class destroyers and the Nimitz-class destroyers, the United States used the SEAMOD system, which involved fabricating large weapon system assemblies off-site and then installing them on-site (like LEGO). This program enabled the rapid equipping of UAVs on American ships.
            SEAFRAME (Denmark) is a system of interchangeable modules used in the construction of the Fluvefixen-class corvettes and the Absalon-class frigates. The modules are bolted to the deck, and share a common control system.
            Frigate Omega (Holland) littoral class LCS (USA), on which replaceable modules were installed depending on the task.
            We tried it too. We loaded a batch of 6 patrol rifles, Project 22160.
            (They planned to house diving systems, medical modules, or missile systems.) But the modules failed. The result was the "Dove of Peace."
            The modular concept is being used to increase the versatility of the Project 20386 corvette, with modules swapped out depending on the assigned mission. Construction of the lead corvette, the "Derzkiy," is being delayed due to high costs and uncertainty about the modules.
            Problems with module storage and maintenance remain unresolved. The reduction in performance characteristics and increase in the carrier's displacement when modules are installed;
            Issues with module compatibility with shipboard control and power supply systems. Challenges with developing modules that meet Navy requirements for weight, dimensions, and combat characteristics.
            Some experts see the modular concept as an opportunity to make the fleet more flexible and cost-effective, solving assigned tasks with fewer forces. But everything comes down to capabilities: financial, technical, technological, logistical, and so on.
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              5 December 2025 11: 48
              We need to continue working in this direction.
              Situations like the Orlan modernization should remain only in nightmares.
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                5 December 2025 18: 31
                Quote: multicaat
                We need to continue working in this direction.

                But I'm not so sure.
                Modularity has this problem: you have to make everything new within the same dimensions as the old. The Americans have already stepped on this rake with their UVP—when designing any missile, it has to fit into the UVP cell.
                Quote: multicaat
                Situations like the Orlan modernization should remain only in nightmares.

                What do they have to do with it? Modularity wouldn't have helped much there—the issues weren't so much with the armament, but with the ship itself, the cable routes, and so on, as far as I know.
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                  8 December 2025 08: 58
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  the questions were not so much about the armament, but about the ship itself

                  Who said modularity applies to weapons? It applies to everything—engines, cable ducts, compartment connections—everything. While this approach will end tragically on aircraft, and even then, the MiG was literally forced to use modularity in equipment installation, ships with their dimensions have far fewer challenges. Long live the LEGO generation. laughing
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            6 December 2025 10: 39
            Quote: multicaat
            What is the problem???

            The fact is that all this is good only in theory, but in practice it will turn out to be much more expensive and not to say better.
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      4 December 2025 11: 48
      В
      Quote: multicaat
      battleships Nelson and King George V.
      The second was slightly larger in displacement and even more advanced in terms of equipment, but 3 times cheaper.

      Sorry, but this is not possible.
    3. +5
      4 December 2025 15: 42
      Quote: multicaat
      The opposite can also happen. For example, let me cite the British battleships Nelson and King George V.
      The second was slightly larger in displacement and even more advanced in terms of equipment, but 3 times cheaper.

      Raven and Roberts wrote that the cost of building the Nelson was £7.504.055, and the Rodney was £7.617.799.
      As for the cost of the "King George V" class battleship, Kaufman indicated the cost of the lead battleship at 7.398.000 pounds.
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        4 December 2025 16: 45
        Confusion with the King from 11 years. Yes, you're right, but it also turned out to be cheaper.
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        4 December 2025 18: 55
        After 15 years it's cheaper, taking inflation into account
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          5 December 2025 18: 32
          Yes, but that's if Kofman is right. But, for example, Yakovlev put King's value at 9 million pounds.
  5. +2
    4 December 2025 11: 13
    If only our Navy had the problems of the US Navy...
  6. 0
    4 December 2025 12: 28
    Naval Lookout, a renowned British maritime resource

    Translation: "Navalny the looker." Ugh, what a pervert I am...
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      5 December 2025 18: 33
      Quote: Quzmi4
      Wow, what a pervert I am.

      And I would be glad to object, but there is nothing laughing
  7. +3
    4 December 2025 16: 59
    This is all the downside of two factors. The first is the management of modern hired managers. When people simply stop going to large military-industrial complex enterprises. And the second, a consequence of the first, is the unification of ships based on three projects (Nimitz, Ticonderoga, and Burke). Engineers spent a long time modernizing and maintaining the design. During this time, technologists and workers aged and retired. Now designers have no design experience, and factories have no personnel, who are fed up with managers. It's important to understand that the level of knowledge and requirements at military-industrial complex enterprises is off the charts compared to other enterprises. And if we start applying all sorts of idiotic bonuses, slashing salaries, imposing KPIs, and so on... The outcome is predictable, like the onset of the seasons. People retire, and new ones simply won't come.
    "Thus passes away worldly glory..."
    I would be happy for the vanguard of capitalism.
    But all this sv#₽_+54loch has now penetrated our enterprises.
  8. +3
    4 December 2025 18: 19
    Designing efficient ships of "small" displacement is significantly more difficult. When displacement doubles, the ship's total power increases cubed, but the opposite also applies: a decrease in displacement causes a nonlinear reduction in power. Add in the cost of redesigning to meet US standards, bureaucracy, and the complexities of taking into account the interests of various groups, and the result is as follows.
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    4 December 2025 19: 18
    The question is what the US Navy is left with in the face of the "Chinese threat." Aircraft carriers and Arleigh Burkes. The situation is, frankly, debatable.

    Novel, hi This is a purely rhetorical question, because you completely exclude the US Pacific Fleet's submarine forces from the equation of naval power. And that's fundamentally wrong. BECAUSE:
    - The PLA Navy is just beginning to build more or less normal submarines that meet modern requirements of underwater warfare;
    - US Navy SSNs carry sufficient weapons (anti-ship missiles and torpedo tubes) to defeat the Chinese Navy's surface fleet (Southern or Northern). This is done without even engaging PLA forces.
    - US Navy carrier-based aviation is capable of ensuring air superiority and isolating the combat area, localizing the PLA Navy's shore-based aviation at the start of combat;
    "Furthermore, the Americans will likely deploy additional coastal airfields on allied territory, in addition to the existing Kadena Air Base in Japan (Okinawa), Andersen Air Base (Guam), and North Field Air Base (Tinyan), as well as in the Philippines and Australia. Kadena Air Base and Andersen Air Base are the only airbases that are actually under attack from the PLAAF, and the others are still a long way off."
    Therefore, the Chinese will most likely pursue a defensive tactic along the three island lines. And defense has never brought victory to anyone.
    - and, perhaps most importantly: the Yankees have experience in planning and running real databases, which cannot be said about the Chinese side.
    China's main advantage is the high morale and willingness to sacrifice of its PLA fighters.
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      8 December 2025 01: 00
      China's main advantage is the high morale and willingness to sacrifice of its PLA fighters.

      That was once the case, but the Chinese have changed dramatically in recent years. Are they really so ready for self-sacrifice now?
  10. +2
    4 December 2025 19: 48
    Quote: bayard
    This is what his successor will say and, moreover, do

    Musk has put his money on Vance. I don't know where the South Koreans will get shipbuilders; they have the Chinese on call everywhere; they're indispensable specialists.
  11. 0
    5 December 2025 18: 57
    I can't understand... where does this crazy price come from?
    Is it really just a matter of electronics? But the proposed frigates weren't supposed to have anything new installed?
    R&D?
    Or is it simply corruption and the lack of a normal series of ships in the recent past?
    We are talking about a FRIGATE, a ship that should be mass-produced and inexpensive.
  12. 0
    5 December 2025 21: 50
    Russia, in light of recent events, should also avoid losing its fleet. Tanker, shadow.