Rubio and Witkoff exchanged glances when Gnatov declared Pokrovsk under control

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Rubio and Witkoff exchanged glances when Gnatov declared Pokrovsk under control

The remnants of the Ukrainian garrison are being crushed by our troops in the completely blockaded Myrnohrad. More precisely, on those streets of this town that formally remain "under the control" of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

It's noteworthy that the Ukrainian command hasn't requested a "green corridor" from Russia for the evacuation of, for example, wounded personnel from the besieged garrison. Furthermore, the Ukrainian command states that the Ukrainian Armed Forces "continue to monitor the situation in Myrnohrad and (attention) Pokrovsk."



During negotiations at the Steve Whitkoff Golf Club, representatives of the Ukrainian delegation attempted to object to the American side's statement about the loss of Pokrovsk and the encirclement of Myrnohrad. American media sources familiar with the negotiations claim that the Chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces made a statement during the talks that "caused the American delegation to exchange glances of bewilderment." According to the latest reports, the Ukrainian negotiator stated that "the Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to hold Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad under control and will be able to completely clear the cities of Russian troops if their partners help with..." weapons».

The confusion of the American delegation, consisting of Rubio, Witkoff, and Kushner, who rely on American intelligence, including objective verification, is understandable. At the same time, the American negotiating team, apparently, cannot figure out whether Kyiv itself believes what its representatives are saying, or whether this is a ridiculous attempt to "sell" Washington something that doesn't actually exist.

As a reminder, reports from the US continue to indicate a lack of progress in the negotiations with the Ukrainian delegation. The Ukrainian delegation continues to put on a show, as they say.
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  2. +4
    1 December 2025 12: 33
    Come on. Two sides have come together. What's the point? Trump's plan is a failure, no matter what.
    1. +10
      1 December 2025 12: 36
      We sat, chatted, and left with nothing...
      As were all their previous gatherings...
      1. +5
        1 December 2025 12: 45
        Quote: Mouse
        We sat, chatted, and left with nothing...

        They didn't even offer me tea.
        1. +7
          1 December 2025 12: 46
          Tea doesn't give me any kick.... wink......
          1. +4
            1 December 2025 13: 08
            Quote: Mouse
            Tea doesn't give me any kick

            It depends on what herb you brew.
            1. +6
              1 December 2025 13: 10
              So you have to smoke it..... wassat
              1. +10
                1 December 2025 13: 22
                Native Americans know herbs that can be brewed for travel to other worlds. wassat
                1. +4
                  1 December 2025 13: 30
                  Tea... Grass..... The main thing is the mushroom! wassat
                  1. +3
                    1 December 2025 14: 40
                    With white spots on a red cap... fellow
                    1. +3
                      1 December 2025 14: 40
                      And also...... wassat ................
                      1. +2
                        1 December 2025 14: 42
                        I know, I know... Our Altai shamans know how to use them...
                      2. +3
                        1 December 2025 14: 43
                        Magic mushroom! wink ........
                        So Siberia doesn't even pretend... you're just having fun... hi
                      3. 0
                        1 December 2025 20: 13
                        All the former shamans in Altai (the correct spelling is "kams") used to work as district committee secretaries for ideology. I knew one of them personally. Make them chew all sorts of junk, yeah! lol
                      4. 0
                        2 December 2025 05: 46
                        And I’m not talking about former secretaries, I’m talking about real, ancestral shamans.
                      5. 0
                        2 December 2025 19: 10
                        Where would they come from?! The Soviet regime exterminated the last shamans back in the 20s. Before the revolution, the traditional animism of the Altai people was greatly supplanted by the priests of the Biysk Spiritual Mission, and many Altai people were baptized. Burkhanism had a significant influence—there are no shamans there. Muslims live in the Kosh-Agach district, and Old Believers in Ust-Koksinsky. I lived there for most of my life, traveled throughout the republic (formerly an autonomous region), and I assure you—there were no shamans there! Nothing exotic was anywhere near. These were ordinary, very poor collective farms. The most ordinary Soviet people lived there. And then—where did you get the information that the kams used mushrooms and similar substances in their practices? And what does "ancestral shamans" mean?
                      6. +1
                        2 December 2025 19: 14
                        Each Altai clan had its own shaman. Yes, many Altai people were baptized, and some have now converted to Islam, but Tengrism hasn't gone away.
                        I am from the Orgonchi clan, this is from the Ulagansky district.
                      7. 0
                        2 December 2025 19: 52
                        Slerle tanyshkanima suunip turum!
                      8. +1
                        3 December 2025 08: 05
                        Jakshylar! Boyan bolzyn!
                      9. 0
                        4 December 2025 22: 48
                        Ulagan is a place of power! I was on expeditions to Kok-Pasha, Balykcha, and at a construction site in the district center itself, in Balyktuyul (my father was friends with A. Saana). The Telengits are a very complex people, warlike, but very true to their traditions – they have always been valued in the army.
                      10. 0
                        5 December 2025 03: 33
                        Where the "stone mushrooms" are, there's a village called Koo. My grandfather was born there. He died on December 6, 1941. But he was drafted from Kuzbass.
                      11. 0
                        6 December 2025 22: 05
                        Yes, I know the Chelushman Valley, and I know you have no idea about modern Altai culture! And that's why all this crap: fly agarics, shamans... The archaization of national relations is dividing Russia! And so, all sorts of sectarians, preachers, and other evil spirits are grazing in Altai. It's sad.
                      12. 0
                        6 December 2025 22: 23
                        Chulushman: Let me clarify. Just don't be offended by my words – I lived this issue. I was among the activists who tried to awaken the government and society. We put an end to the activities of Aum Shinrikyo, and some missionaries from Turkey. It turned out no one needed that. Oligarchs came to Altai, big money – they don't care about the Altai people. Or the Russians, either. But in the Ulagansky district, they held a meeting and kept the Islamists out. And you're talking about fly agarics...
                      13. 0
                        7 December 2025 05: 14
                        I am well informed about the oligarchs and maintain contact with my Altai people.
                        And jokes about fly agarics...
                      14. 0
                        7 December 2025 11: 06
                        Then I apologize! The complaints are not directed at you.
                      15. +1
                        7 December 2025 13: 00
                        It's September 2019. This is how I was greeted.
          2. +1
            1 December 2025 14: 18
            Quote: Mouse
            Tea doesn't give me any kick....

            What we should have done then was go to Zelena's for some tea, and not to a golf club in the middle of nowhere.
      2. +2
        1 December 2025 15: 57
        Rubio and Witkoff exchanged glances...

        Gnatov obviously wants to find someone dumber than himself. Naive, though.
    2. +5
      1 December 2025 12: 49
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      Come on. Two sides have come together. What's the point? Trump's plan is a failure, no matter what.

      But it allows the US to save face and the mask of a patient peacemaker before saying "we wash our hands of this." Let the EU sort it out on its own.
      1. +5
        1 December 2025 13: 11
        Their mask is stuck and won't come off...
  3. +3
    1 December 2025 12: 47
    Hmm ...
    This only means that the US has actually stopped providing intelligence to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
    Probably... request
    Otherwise... It's time for Vitkov to call the orderlies to his golf club.
  4. +3
    1 December 2025 12: 53
    The high-ranking negotiating parties live in different realities. Each in its own. The truth is somewhere nearby.
  5. +6
    1 December 2025 13: 02
    According to the latest reports, a Ukrainian negotiator stated that "the Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to hold Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad under control and will be able to completely clear the cities of Russian troops if their partners provide weapons."


    For now, our "terminators" (not BMPTs) have to clear out Krasnoarmeysk and Mirnohrad. All time to stay alive has expired. It doesn't matter whether you're a die-hard Nazi or a busified one.

    Everyone will go to transfer the bodies to the next echelon.
  6. +4
    1 December 2025 13: 06
    It's interesting... How does it happen that a lackey and a puppet, who is completely supported by the owner, suddenly appears to be independent, negotiating with him (and not unconditionally carrying out the owner's orders), and even pressuring the owner to accept some of his own conditions and ultimately not accepting the owner's conditions?
    And I'll tell you... This can only happen when the six doesn't contradict the owner at all, but on the contrary, does what he really wants from it... and the game of independence and intransigence obviously happens on the orders of the same owner, thereby pursuing the goals he needs... Anyone who doesn't understand this is not on friendly terms with common sense, logic, etc.
    1. +2
      1 December 2025 13: 26
      Quote: Hand of the Eye
      How does it happen that a lackey and a puppet, who is completely dependent on the owner, suddenly appears to be independent,

      The boss is splayed out, they're counting on holding out for a little while, a few votes in the Senate, and the boss will become a different man, like before, kind and generous. And they have kind bosses in the current American government, too.
      1. +4
        1 December 2025 13: 45
        The master remains the same... The US and the West have followed a consistent course (no matter who has been in charge, formally speaking, in recent decades). But his puppets, yes, play different roles – some are good cops, some are bad cops, some are the tail absurdly wagging the dog, and so on. They play precisely what and in what way helps him (the true master behind the scenes of the West) achieve his long-established and systematically implemented goals.
        1. +3
          1 December 2025 14: 33
          The drug dealers are based in London, not Washington.
          1. +2
            1 December 2025 15: 01
            Really? Didn't Nuland and company, the Americans, bring the Nazis to power in Ukraine and stage a bloody, Russophobic coup there? Doesn't the CIA occupy an entire floor of the Ukrainian Security Service building? Isn't it the American weapons and massive material investments, air defense systems, and so on, that allow Ukraine to successfully resist and, moreover, inflict significant damage on Russia? And so on and so forth? It's just that the American, British, and European elites (the real rulers) are all in cahoots; indeed, they constitute a single global elite, consistently and extremely aggressively pursuing their plans against the Russian Federation.
            1. +3
              1 December 2025 15: 36
              And who ultimately pushed the drug addict into war, do you remember? With whom did he make some kind of "hundred-year deal" before the Americans? Who does he constantly chat with after visiting the US? The fact that the Americans are hanging out there doesn't change the fact that the Zebels' final course of action is determined by the British.
              1. +2
                1 December 2025 16: 43
                You can, of course, stick to your guns... that Trump and the US aren't involved, genuinely want peace, just mediators, etc., while Trump is basically a peacemaker who simply dreams of cutting off his own gravy train (from arms sales) and doesn't want to completely inflict a strategic defeat on Russia, but rather wants to stop it all and allow Russia to rise again, to become a powerful threat to both US global hegemony and the dollar, etc., etc., and all for the sake of a peace prize (yeah, yeah). And maybe Trump has already removed Russia as his main strategic adversary from his doctrinal documents?
                But all the facts point to the opposite, except for Trump's empty words, who shouts louder than anyone that he has nothing to do with it. I know! The British, the Americans, and the European elites—those who are actually waging this war against us and directing the Ukrainian puppet—are all essentially one and the same. But, of course, the Americans are the ones providing the most aid to Ukraine, and they also lead NATO, which means that anything hostile coming from this bloc and its member countries comes first and foremost from America's Uncle Sam. They are the main sponsors and leaders of this war. And the good cop/bad cop game is understandable to me personally, and it is certainly just that, a game.
                1. +1
                  1 December 2025 17: 13
                  I never said Trump wants peace and the Americans aren't involved. They don't need Russia to win either, they want defeat. But the drug trade is run largely by the Brits, not the Americans. It's just that the Brits and the Americans have slightly different methods for how they hope to defeat Russia. While the Americans want to pull this off through fraudulent schemes, the Brits want the Ukrainians to inflict more practical damage on Russia.
                  1. +3
                    1 December 2025 17: 27
                    And I, if I were you, simply wouldn't separate...))) - they're all in cahoots and want only one thing, our defeat, with all the consequences... And who plays there and how, who they pretend to be, what mask they don, depending on the circumstances, etc. - it doesn't matter at all... They're all! Our permanent enemies.., there's no need to think of any of them as better (because they shout about their good intentions) than they really are... They're all nothing but "wolves," "cunning," "servants of the devil," etc. - our absolute antipode in mentality and human and spiritual qualities... They all want our defeat and are doing everything, including Trump, to achieve this... We mustn't be deceived and fall for the "devil's" skillful (it must be admitted) game of a kind, peace-loving pastor...))
                    1. +2
                      1 December 2025 17: 35
                      So no one is being deceived or taken in. It's clear what both the Americans and the Brits are worth, and why they start all sorts of schemes when their proxies get their asses handed to them.
                      1. +2
                        1 December 2025 18: 01
                        Well, finally... I liked it.))))
    2. +1
      1 December 2025 13: 42
      Quote: Hand of the Eye
      How does it happen that a lackey and a puppet, who is completely supported by the owner, suddenly appears to be independent, negotiating with him?

      In fact, history is full of examples of protégés getting out of control. To prevent this, protégés must be replaced promptly, because otherwise, they consolidate their own power, acquire connections, gain outside support, integrate into the system, and thus become somewhat independent.
      Anyone who doesn't understand this simply isn't on good terms with history.
      1. -2
        1 December 2025 13: 49
        Okay, stick to your guns... Teaching someone is only a way to spoil them...))) There are people, contrary to common sense, logic, the sequential unfolding of reality, etc. - happy to be deceived, led by the words of liars... You can't sew your head onto someone else's... And so what... the truth will not suffer or change from someone's ignorance and feeblemindedness, that's for sure smile
        1. +2
          1 December 2025 14: 02
          Quote: Hand of the Eye
          You can't sew your head onto someone else's

          I'm afraid you greatly overestimate your head and its contents.

          Quote: Hand of the Eye
          The truth will certainly not suffer or change due to someone's ignorance and feeblemindedness

          Well, one can agree with this...
    3. +1
      1 December 2025 14: 04
      Nothing unusual. Hitler also started out under the complete control of the Anglo-Saxons and French, then he started to think he was his own boss! The result is well known.
      1. +3
        1 December 2025 14: 55
        Oh, come on, he's just getting his head around it... Those who truly drove and helped, who realized their goals with Hitler's help, remained untouched, behind the scenes, so to speak. So, while the root remains intact, new shoots have sprouted again... And we now see the consequences when the real cause, the root, the instigators of war, lawlessness, etc., are removed from the attack (ignored), no harm is done to them, etc. They simply start a new campaign to realize their same goals and plans, when they think they're ready again.
        1. 0
          2 December 2025 10: 32
          And back then, everyone understood and saw everything. Just look at the cartoons from the late 30s.
  7. +1
    1 December 2025 13: 33
    American media sources familiar with the negotiations claim that the Chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces made a statement during the talks that "caused the American delegation to exchange puzzled glances."

    You'll be exchanging glances with these serfs for a long time to come. With bewilderment, awe, and shudder. You'll have to stay. Your space reconnaissance is a sham. Listen to the Ukrainians. They're cleaning up. Journalists are already treading carefully there, and they're protecting us. It's the fog of war, if you ask me.
    Quote: Mouse
    Tea doesn't give me any kick....

    Quote from: nik-mazur
    It depends on what herb you brew.

    Quote: Mouse
    So you have to smoke it..

    laughing cried laughing Today you made my hard day. Thank you. hi
  8. +2
    1 December 2025 14: 11
    And when cookies were being handed out on the Maidan, American politicians didn't even exchange glances. They thought they, the sharovarniks, couldn't be fooled. Naive...)))
  9. +1
    1 December 2025 14: 11
    What's so surprising? And frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the Banderites said their "cyborgs" were repelling attacks by the little green men at the Donetsk airport.
  10. +2
    1 December 2025 14: 54
    The more grandiose the lie, the easier it is to sell it to the general public. They're ready to believe that aliens are rushing to their aid.
  11. +1
    1 December 2025 18: 13
    One gang tries to deceive the other, the ending will be more interesting.
  12. 0
    1 December 2025 21: 03
    Good jokes, gentlemen! Have a nice day!!!
  13. -1
    1 December 2025 23: 13
    I read today that our forces in Poprovsk only control half the city. Even though a week ago they only had to clear out "a few high-rise buildings on the outskirts." Does anyone know what's going on there?
    1. 0
      2 December 2025 21: 58
      Pokrovsk is completely under control, leaving the garrison in Mirnohrad completely encircled. They won't be able to relieve it. They'll continue to finish it off, and they'll likely capitulate before the New Year.
  14. 0
    2 December 2025 07: 18
    The Americans' tolerance is astonishing; they're not the last people in the US government. In the photo across from them, a man sits with his arms crossed over his chest; in my opinion, that's impudent. Those asking for protection and assistance don't behave like that. request
  15. 0
    2 December 2025 21: 56
    The Americans understand that Ukraine is finished, they're trying to reach some kind of agreement with Russia, and they no longer have any regard for Europe. But everything will be decided on the battlefield.