Sergei Ulagay. The most atypical of the White Guard generals.

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Sergei Ulagay. The most atypical of the White Guard generals.
General Ulagay in a pencil drawing by A. Voronetsky


В previous article We discussed the origins and early life of Sergei Georgievich Ulagay, and his service in the Tsarist army. Today we will continue and conclude this story.



S. Ulagay during the civil war


As we recall, S. Ulagay, who supported Kornilov's uprising, was arrested and released from prison only after the Provisional Government was dispersed by the Bolsheviks. He went south, where A. Filimonov, the ataman of the Kuban Cossack Host, tasked him with forming volunteer White Guard units. However, it turned out that there were virtually no volunteers to fight for the old regime, as Filimonov recalled:

I entrusted the task of organizing volunteers to a young and popular hero of the German war, Colonel Ulagay... After tinkering with the matter for about a month, he declared that he didn't believe in it, since only officers signed up as volunteers, that rank-and-file Cossacks didn't want to volunteer, that special officers' organizations wouldn't find sympathy among the population, and therefore the whole enterprise was doomed. Colonel Ulagay's opinion was shared by General Cherny, commander of the Kuban Army.

That's exactly what happened, and the logical step for Ulagay in this situation would have been to defect to the Reds. Unfortunately, he remained on the Whites' side, which was doomed to defeat from the start.

In the second half of January 1918, Ulagay managed to organize a Plastun detachment, the majority of whose soldiers were Cossack officers. history This detachment entered the Civil War under the name "Ulagaevsky." The start of the fighting was unsuccessful, as Ataman Filimonov wrote:

Colonel Ulagay remained the natural and desirable candidate for the post of army commander, but he, as before, did not believe in the matter and, appointed to assist Colonel Lisevitsky as chief of cavalry, failed and returned to Yekaterinodar in an even more pessimistic mood than before.

The Whites were then forced to abandon Yekaterinodar and retreat into the mountains. After the Kuban Cossacks joined forces with the White Volunteer Army, an unsuccessful attempt to storm the city was made, and Ulagay was seriously wounded in a battle near the farm of the Yekaterinodar Agricultural Society. Interestingly, on March 31, 1918, the commander of the Volunteer Army, General Lavr Kornilov, was killed at this same farm near Yekaterinodar. Ulagay only recovered by July 1918. Returning to duty, he commanded the 2nd Kuban Cossack Brigade, previously commanded by Shkuro. A short time later, it became a division, and Ulagay was promoted to major general in November of that year.

In February 1919, the name "General Ulagay" was given to an armored tractor of the White Army. It was a half-track tractor with guide wheels, assembled in Novorossiysk at the Sudostal plant on the chassis of a Bullock-Lombard tractor. The vehicle had a 100-horsepower engine, weighed between 10 and 12 tons, and had a maximum speed of 8 kilometers per hour. It had a crew of 10 and was armed with five Maxim machine guns: two on the roof of the turret, two in the side sponsons, and one in the rear compartment. These armored tractors were officially designated "Combat Vehicle of the Sudostal Plant." The White Army had only two of them (the other was the "Valiant Labinets"), and they were designed to attack in reverse. At the end of 1919, both Novorossiysk armored tractors became trophies of the Red Army.


One of two "Combat vehicles of the Sudostal plant" assembled in Novorossiysk

In March 1919, Ulagay commanded the 2nd Kuban Corps. That spring, north of Manych, his troops defeated Dumenko's Red Army Corps, and then, in June, they took part in the offensive on Tsaritsyn. At the same time, Ulagay was promoted to lieutenant general. The city was captured only after the arrival of Wrangel's Caucasian Army. Ulagay's corps then advanced on Kamyshin and then defended Tsaritsyn alongside Wrangel's "volunteers." In October, Ulagay was temporarily sidelined, despite being the desired successor by the Ataman of the Kuban Cossack Host, Alexander Filimonov. And in December 1919, Wrangel offered him the post of commander of a combined cavalry group of Don and Kuban Cossack units. He was to replace Mamontov, whom Wrangel had a very negative attitude toward. Ulagay was not thrilled by the low morale of the "Mamantovites," who had long been accustomed to looting, a practice condemned even by the most rational White commanders. Among them was Denikin, commander of the 1st Labinsky Regiment of the Kuban Army. Fyodor Eliseev wrote about this:

General Denikin does not favor the Kuban Cossacks of those months in his descriptions.

Moreover, in December 1919, Ulagay, who was in Yekaterinodar, contracted typhus and suffered a severe illness. After recovering, in late February 1920 he assumed command of the Kuban Army, which had previously been commanded by Andrei Shkura (Shkuro), who had been sent to the reserves by Denikin (and soon expelled from the army by Wrangel). However, the Cossacks had already become so corrupt that Denikin later wrote:

Shkuro was soon replaced by General Ulagay, a valiant warrior, averse to politics and an impeccable man, but no one listened to him either.

V. Leontovich writes in his book "The First Battles in Kuban. Memories":

The old men held firm, but the youth, indoctrinated at the front, rushed back to their villages, bringing with them the spirit of decay. The Cossack, in his unbelted khaki tunic, was no longer recognizable as the former dashing horseman and natural marksman.

The situation was practically hopeless, culminating in the inept evacuation of White Army units from Novorossiysk, which ruined Denikin's military reputation and led to his resignation. The Cossacks were denied boarding ships altogether, and Ulagay withdrew his men to Tuapse. There, at a meeting of senior commanders of the Kuban Army on March 15, the decision was made to withdraw to Georgia. But on March 22, Ulagay was summoned to Crimea by General Denikin and took part in the selection of a new commander-in-chief, who was chosen by Wrangel, who held him in high esteem.

On April 10, 1920, Ulagay handed over command of the Kuban Army to Ataman N. Bukretov, who categorically refused to transfer the Kuban people to Crimea, declaring that there

They will be stepchildren, as they always were in the Volunteer Army.

Wrangel, in exile, recalled:

General Ulagay's attempts to launch an offensive were futile. The Cossacks were completely unwilling to fight.

Ulagay was still able to evacuate some of the Kuban troops, but the bulk of the army capitulated on April 18–20, 1920. Ataman Bukretov, who had promised to remain “with the army until the end,” fled to Georgia.

On June 25, 1920, at a congress of members of the Kuban Rada and delegates from the Kuban villages in Feodosia, S. Ulagai was elected ataman of the army. On August 1 (14) of that year, he led the landing operation of the so-called Special Purpose Group of the Russian (Wrangel) Army on the Kuban coast near the village of Primorsko-Akhtarskaya. Wrangel wrote:

General Ulagay was placed in charge of the landing force. There was no one to replace him. With his widespread charm among the Cossacks, General Ulagay alone could successfully "call the shots," rouse the Cossacks, and lead them. It seemed everyone would follow him.

Ulagay commanded approximately four and a half thousand men, including up to one thousand one hundred cavalry, with 14 artillery pieces and 83 machine guns. Among his subordinates were the popular generals N. Babiev and B. Kazanovich.


N. G. Babiev, nicknamed "General Forward" in the White Army, in a photograph taken around 1920.


B. I. Kazanovich, who was then somewhat pompously called "an incomparable battering ram for frontal attacks", photograph from 1918

Let's recall that on June 6 of that same year, 1920, the main forces of Wrangel's army launched an offensive and seized lands between the Dnieper and the Sea of ​​Azov. On August 15, the Tambov peasant revolt (the "Antonovshchina") began. The war with Poland continued, and already during the landing operation of Ulagay's troops, news arrived of the Red Army's tragic defeat near Warsaw. White Guard officer V. Terentyev recalled this:

In the evening, we received news of the terrible defeat of the Red Army in Poland. The Poles took over 200,000 prisoners. Our military group was ordered to be notified of this.

In Kuban, Ulagay's landing forces met the Red Army of Mikhail Levandovsky, a former staff captain of the Imperial Army, a holder of four Tsarist orders, a member of the Socialist Revolutionary Maximalist Party since 1918, and the RCP (b) since 1920.


Second-rank Army Commander Mikhail Karlovich Levandovsky in a photograph taken around 1938.

The Red Army received support from the Azov Flotilla: approximately 600 soldiers, armed with four cannons and 15 machine guns, aboard three steamships and four barges, descended the Kuban and Protoka rivers and struck the rear of Ulagay's landing forces near the village of Grivenskaya. The Red Army commander was Epifan Kovtyukh, and the commissar was Dmitry Furmanov.


Corps Commander E. I. Kovtyukh, a non-commissioned officer and later ensign in the Tsarist army, was awarded two St. George's Crosses. Anninsky weapons, three Orders of the Red Banner, and commanded Red Army corps from May 1926. He is the hero of A. Serafimovich's novel "The Iron Stream" about the Taman Army's campaign in the summer of 1918 and the author of "The Iron Stream in Military Exposition."


D. A. Furmanov (a Socialist Revolutionary Maximalist, later an anarchist, a member of the RCP(b) since 1918) next to the wounded Chapaev, the photograph was taken in July 1919. Pyotr Isaev is reclining on the left.

The Whites' hopes for an anti-Bolshevik uprising were not realized, and the commander of the 2nd Kuban Regiment, F. Golovko, already in exile, wrote to Lieutenant General V. L. Pokrovsky:

There was no upsurge among the Cossacks, and they failed to create one.

Red Army units quickly began to push back the White Guards. Soviet military historian A.V. Golubev, who participated in those events on the "Red side," gave the following assessment of Ulagay's actions in 1929:

Ulagay maintained a firm grip on his units and, despite a number of isolated defeats, prevented the destruction of his main forces. This enabled him to systematically carry out the return evacuation to Crimea, taking with him not only all his units, the sick and wounded, but also mobilized White-Greens, and captured Red Army soldiers, including the wounded.

Nevertheless, many at Wrangel's headquarters were dissatisfied with Ulagay's actions. The commander-in-chief also appeared disappointed, believing that Ulagay had deviated from the original plan, which called for a swift advance on Yekaterinodar (regardless of the surrounding situation):

If General Ulagay had not stopped, if he had moved on without looking back at the base, Yekaterinodar would have fallen in two days and the northern Kuban would have been cleared.

But this was a pure gamble. The aforementioned V. Terentyev wrote about a conversation he overheard between Ulagay and General Kazanovich:

"What Yekaterinodar," says Ulagay, "when they couldn't hold Timashevka! The Reds were fools who didn't let us into Yekaterinodar; not a single person would have left there."

On August 25, Sergei Ulagay was awarded the Order of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker, 2nd degree (established in Crimea by Wrangel), but was dismissed in September.

Sergei Ulagay in exile


By November 1920, the Red Army, led by Frunze, had broken through to Crimea, and White Guard Lieutenant General Sergei Georgievich Ulagay left Russia forever. He lived for a time in Constantinople and is believed to have become one of the prototypes for Bulgakov's General Grigory Charnota (a character in the play "The Flight").


M. Ulyanov as Charnota, a still from the Soviet film "The Flight"

However, some believe that Lieutenant General Ivan Barbovich had a significant influence on Charota's character – he was known for his love of gambling, for which the "Black Baron's" wife, Olga Wrangel, often gently chided him in her letters.

Some claimed that Ulagay was considered by émigré circles as a candidate to command a new landing force that was to land again on the Kuban coast. However, all these plans clearly smacked of wishful thinking.

From Constantinople, S. Ulagaj moved to the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes, but later settled in Marseille, France. In the 40s, he worked on "Memoirs of a Cossack Officer, 1912-1918." His memoirs were never published as a book.

It should be noted that, when writing about Sergei Ulagay's life in exile, many authors confuse him with another, much younger White Guard officer—Colonel Kuchuk Kaspoletovich Ulagay, born in 1893. And without a second thought, they write about Sergei Georgievich Ulagay's service in Albania and his active involvement in that country's affairs, as well as his collaboration with the Wehrmacht and the SS during World War II. In fact, these facts are from the biography of a distant relative of the article's subject, who was a graduate of the Elisavetgrad Cavalry School (he graduated in 1913). During World War I, Kuchuk Ulagay, with the rank of cornet, fought in the 18th Seversky Dragoon Regiment, where he commanded a platoon in which NCO Semyon Budyonny served. The Soviet military commander later accused him of cowardice.


Kuchuk Kaspoletovich Ulagay, circa 1920


S. Budyonny in a photograph of 1912

During the civil war, Captain Küçük Ulagaj fought on the White side, rising to the rank of colonel and commanding a Circassian regiment. He then found himself in Albania, and in December 1924, he provided significant assistance to the exiled Prime Minister Ahmet Zog, who later became King of Albania. During World War II, K. Ulagaj became a Waffen-Standartenführer in the SS and chairman of the Muslim Committee for the Liberation of the Caucasus. In 1944-1945, he participated in the formation of Cossack and Caucasian units of the Wehrmacht. After the defeat of Nazi Germany, he managed to escape to Chile, where he died in 1953.

Sergei Georgievich Ulagay died on April 29, 1944, in Marseille and was buried in one of the city's cemeteries. However, in January 1949, his remains were transferred to the Sainte-Geneviève-des-Bois Cemetery (near Paris).


The grave of S. G. Ulagay in the Sainte-Genevieve-des-Bois cemetery
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  1. -28
    30 November 2025 04: 13
    Why even bother writing about this Kontrikhov-era dandruff? The people didn't follow it, and they got their fill, but the Red Guards finished it off. And that powder died where the current one likes to die abroad. That's where it belongs.
    1. -19
      30 November 2025 14: 38
      Look, comrades, how many Ivasiks they threw at me for the collab and the SS man))? Do you get it)?
      1. +13
        30 November 2025 15: 13
        I don't think that's why. You know why, don't you?
        Cunning is good when it is not visible and looks out of place otherwise.
      2. +5
        1 December 2025 13: 42
        I'm not a supporter of these "counter-revolutionaries." However, these were Russian people. And this is our history. And what they got in the neck, these "counter-revolutionaries" deserved. And let me remind you: a people that has forgotten its history, whatever it was, is doomed to extinction.
        1. +1
          1 December 2025 19: 04
          Our history is so ours that Shkuro Street in the hero city of Novorossiysk appeared in the 90s.
          https://www.kuban.kp.ru/daily/26487.7/3356181/ казаки любо давали) у нас разная история просто и моя вроде как по минусам проиграла но наше время ещё придёт верю.
          1. +7
            2 December 2025 08: 17
            but our time will still come, I believe

            All sorts of Denikins, Ulagais, and so on yesterday were fighting for a "bright" present today, and not without the help of their Western partners, who are now modestly called "allies" and who are cursed today. In short, "everything was in disarray in the Oblonsky house" (c) laughing The hypocrisy of the Rotenbergs and others will destroy Russia. Let's stock up on popcorn. laughing Sincerely.
            1. +3
              2 December 2025 14: 20
              I'm squeezing a crab, comrade. wink There are so many gentlemen nowadays that you can spit on a gentleman and hit him)) that's why there's almost no one to give crab to now
              1. +1
                4 December 2025 12: 55
                You are mistaken, behind the backs of the gentlemen there are many worthy people waiting for a new time)
                The Bolsheviks also appeared out of nowhere
    2. +4
      1 December 2025 10: 28
      This is our history and we need to know it.
    3. -3
      4 December 2025 16: 45
      Quote from Mazunga
      Mikhail Levandovsky

      Again we take the names of the red commanders-
      Mikhail Levandovsky
      Epifan Kovtyuh
      And what do we see - repressed, shot.
  2. +10
    30 November 2025 04: 57
    Thank you, Valery!

    The armored tractor is a real eye-catcher. It's an alternative to the tachanka.

    And the fact that for the country the civil war is a tragedy of tragedies will not be forgotten.

    A small church. The candles are melted.
    The stone is pitted white by rain.
    The former are buried here. Former.
    Sainte-Geneviève-des-Bois Cemetery
    1. +7
      30 November 2025 09: 30
      And the fact that for the country the civil war is a tragedy of tragedies will not be forgotten.

      What's really sad is that a hundred years ago, sparks are still flying! It's good that it's only during discussions. laughing
    2. +2
      1 December 2025 13: 43
      Something similar will be assembled in twenty-odd years. In Odessa. Tank NI (for fear)
      1. +2
        1 December 2025 16: 27
        Odessa is a "home-made" place.

        https://dzen.ru/a/YOwWfHm1lnXxBKiS?ysclid=min61gn6yf139946825

        "Kharkiv Improvisation on a Tractor Chassis"

        Production of armored tractors HTZ-16 at the Kharkov Tractor Plant. 
  3. +15
    30 November 2025 06: 48
    Many debate the composite character of General Charnota in the film "Flight." Sergei Ulagay, Ivan Barbovich, and even Shkuro, early in his emigration, are also "present." But the most realistic prototype is Russian Army Lieutenant General Bronislav Ludwigovich Chernota, aka "Boyary Boyarsky." The film is based not only on Bulgakov's play "Flight," but also on Bulgakov's novels "The White Guard" and "The Black Sea." Bulgakov based all of these works on the memoirs of White Army General Yakov Slashchev, and from Slashchev, Bulgakov heard the famous saying among the troops: "What a glorious battle there was near Kiev! A delightful battle... and about the lice, too." This, in fact, was precisely what the troops remembered, and this saying was made by Russian Army General Bronislav Chernota, aka "Boyary Boyarsky." He was somewhere in command in the south when his division was already subjected to “Ukrainization” and then he also had to flee Russia with the remnants of his army.
    The tragic fate of Bulgakov's heroes like General Charnota was embedded in the very idea of ​​the play, and in the drafts, it was initially called "Outcasts." The tragedy that awaited the generals of the Russian army in a place where no one needed them and where (except for tragedy) no one welcomed them. I also want to say that in the film "Flight," all the characters are untainted by today's acting. The performances of Dvorzhetsky, Ulyanov, Yevstigneyev, and Basov—no one will ever again play them, and directors like them will never again exist. Although, perhaps Bondarchuk and Bezrukov are already "taking aim" to film and play them...
    1. -2
      30 November 2025 07: 56
      Quote: north 2
      The film is not based on just one of Bulgakov's works, the play "The Flight," but also includes motifs from Bulgakov's novel "The White Guard."

      There is absolutely no connection between them; in "The White Guard" there are no White Guards as such, and they are not even mentioned, or only mentioned in passing.
      Somehow I seriously doubt that Bulgakov wrote his books based on Slashchev’s memoirs. Mikhail Afanasyevich had simply colossal experience of being in the White Army, and in the Red Army, and even with the Petliurites.
      1. +4
        30 November 2025 08: 47
        From "The White Guard" - a mass scene of the regiment's dissolution.
        1. +3
          30 November 2025 09: 07
          From the White Guard

          I wonder what kind of country we would have lived in (if we even lived in it) if the White movement had won the Civil War? For example, would the Great Patriotic War have begun? Or even earlier, what would the victors have learned from the lessons of the Civil War? Well, that's just me thinking out loud. bully Good morning Sergey! hi
          1. +4
            30 November 2025 09: 23
            Good morning, Seryozha!

            A flight of fantasy into alternative history.

            I will only note that the boundaries between classes would probably be erased.
          2. +11
            30 November 2025 09: 45
            I wonder what kind of country we would live in (if we lived, of course)
            I definitely wouldn't have lived. My parents simply wouldn't have met. And neither would my paternal grandparents.
            1. +9
              30 November 2025 09: 48
              Most likely, few would have been born. It's not even like stepping on a butterfly.
              1. +3
                30 November 2025 12: 58
                Quote from Korsar4
                Most likely, few would have been born. It's not even like stepping on a butterfly.

                None of us would have appeared, most likely. But there would have been others, and many more.
                1. +2
                  4 December 2025 12: 58
                  Yes, from the dampness of your tears they would have divorced)
          3. +3
            30 November 2025 12: 49
            One might assume the absence of diasporas, the right of officers and Cossacks to freely carry personal weapons, and the Great Patriotic War would likely never have happened. Oh, and there would likely be more Russians than Chinese. The only way to learn about some independent Ukrainians, Caucasian states, or niqabs and rugs in Russian shopping malls would be from the conspiracy theories of some sick fantasist.
            1. +5
              30 November 2025 16: 08
              Most likely there would be more Russians than Chinese.

              This is in the event of a victory for the Whites, who were not robbed by only General Ulagay? And in whose ranks were such beasts and sadists as Shkuro and Mamontov? You are a dreamer, though.
              1. -3
                30 November 2025 17: 31
                I don't see any justification for your theory. Quite the opposite. Let's say you haven't fully addressed the terror that occurred during the Civil War. And the icing on the cake: the Whites weren't internationalists to the same degree as their opponents. At least in this regard, they were more on the side of the Russian people, which is precisely what my post is about.
                Well, that's if you didn't understand what I doubt.
                1. +4
                  1 December 2025 09: 24
                  The Cossacks of Shkuro and Mamontov, the troops of Semyonov, and many others robbed and killed Russians en masse. And numerous accounts of their atrocities were left by White memoirists. And had they won, "driving the cattle into stalls," they would have committed such a massacre that the repressions of the 30s would have seemed like innocent pranks.
                  1. -4
                    1 December 2025 10: 58
                    And I think that the repressions would not have seemed like innocent pranks, but before the 30s, it was a long way from civil terror...
                    So you think the "White Terror" would have been worse than the "Red Terror" for Russians? There's no point in arguing about how White Russians kill more Russians than Red non-Russians (after all, they love the Russian people so much, even more than their own).
                    Civil war is terror against Russians. And any scenario (in our case, the worst) would have worked, not for the peoples of the Russian Empire in general, but specifically for Russians.
                  2. -4
                    1 December 2025 14: 30
                    And read what the Reds did:
                    Memories of the Comrade Chief Prosecutor of the Holy Synod, Prince N.D. Zhevakhov.
          4. 0
            30 November 2025 13: 14
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            I wonder what kind of country we would live in (if we lived at all) if the white movement won in the Civil War?

            hi
            In a city populated by Russian people and with Russian Odessa and Petropavlovsk with Mogilev.

            Look at who it's for The most terrible and cruel of all the ups and downs of the 20th century were the ones that swept over the RUSSIAN PEOPLE and RUSSIA .

            These are collectivization, partitions, repressions, famines, construction projects, exile, wars and devastation.

            They took out the main one, disproportionate, heaviness.


            .
            1. -1
              30 November 2025 16: 26
              Without the Bolshevik victory, there would have been no Russian state at all. There would have been a bunch of impoverished foreign colonies—roughly like modern-day Moldova.
              It has long been recognized that Hitler's victory in Germany stemmed from the humiliation of the German people after their defeat in World War I. Nicholas II, for no apparent reason, dragged him into this alien, unnecessary war against friendly Germany on the side of hypocritical France, openly hostile Britain (which thanked Nicholas with the February coup d'état), and the terrorist state of Serbia. He thereby destroyed himself, his dynasty, and nearly destroyed Russia. The Bolsheviks then had to reassemble it under a new name and a new flag. They had to rebuild it and defend it from European predators—Hitler's direct allies and a horde of volunteers from countries he "conquered" during World War II. And it wasn't the communists who destroyed this country, but the very anti-communists who had swept to power. I don't think anyone would dare call Yeltsin, Shevardnadze, Yakovlev, Kravchuk, and the rest of their gang communists.
              1. -4
                30 November 2025 18: 42
                Quote: vet
                Without the victory of the Bolsheviks, there would have been no Russian state at all.

                lol Russia lived without you for a thousand years and had no colonies.
                Quote: vet
                and impoverished colonies of foreign states - approximately like modern Moldova

                You gave birth to them - there were none before you
                Quote: vet
                Nicholas II dragged Russia into this alien, unnecessary war against friendly Germany without any clear reasons.

                Then Stalin dragged the USSR into WWII
                Quote: vet
                Which the Bolsheviks later had to reassemble under a new name and a new flag. Rebuild it from scratch.

                No one asked you or assigned you anything, you are "builders", like a bullet - look out the window.
                Quote: vet
                And it wasn't the communists who destroyed this country, but the anti-communists who had forced their way to power. I don't think anyone would dare call Yeltsin, Shevardnadze, Yakovlev, Kravchuk, and the rest of their gang communists.

                lol
                Who else should we name if not these top party officials? And where did the 18 million communists go during the takeover? lol
                1. +10
                  30 November 2025 19: 22
                  Russia lived without you for a thousand years and had no colonies.
                  Andrey, don't distort things.
                  There was no Russia in 1025. Even less so in 917. Moreover, I'll say there wasn't one even in 1525.
                  1. -2
                    30 November 2025 19: 31
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    Andrey, don't distort things.

                    Well, what are you: Millennium of Russia" is a monument erected in Novgorod back in 1862 году
                    1. +10
                      30 November 2025 20: 04
                      Andrey, are you serious? Are you suggesting we study Russian history using Uvarov's method?
                      P.S. By the way, he was a good archaeologist when he left his position. Perhaps the first in Russia.
                      1. -7
                        1 December 2025 08: 29
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Andrey, are you serious? Are you suggesting we study Russian history using Uvarov's method?


                        I'm not suggesting anything.

                        I adhere to the point of view set out below:

                        On September 24, 2012, the 1150th anniversary of Russian statehood was celebrated.
                        A consensus has been reached in scientific circles regarding the date of the birth of Russian statehood, and this topic currently does not generate academic debate."
                  2. -3
                    30 November 2025 21: 10
                    24.09.2012 We have already celebrated the 1150th anniversary of Russian statehood

                    A delegation of Moscow State University scientists, led by Rector V.A. Sadovnichy, took part in a conference and celebrations dedicated to the 1150th anniversary of the formation of the Russian state.

                    The conference "Russian Statehood: Historical Traditions and Challenges of the 21st Century" was held in Veliky Novgorod from September 19 to 21. Conference co-chairs included Academician V.A. Sadovnichy, Rector of Moscow State University; Professor N.M. Kropachev, Rector of St. Petersburg State University; and Professor V.I. Yakunin, Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the St. Andrew the First-Called Foundation and the Center for National Glory, and Head of Department of the Faculty of Political Science at Moscow State University.

                    "This is a significant event in the life of Russia," V.A. Sadovnichy noted in his opening remarks to the conference participants. "We have gathered during the year of history. It is very important to me that education and the church have always served as the glue that holds the Russian state together." A consensus has been reached in scientific circles regarding the date of the birth of Russian statehood, and this topic currently does not generate academic debate."
              2. +1
                30 November 2025 19: 17
                against friendly Germany
                Colleague, don't distort things.
                Was it against "friendly" Germany that the most powerful fleet of the Russian Empire was built before WWI?
                1. +5
                  30 November 2025 20: 10
                  At the same time, ordering warships from German shipbuilders!
                  And if a warship was built at a Russian shipyard, the mechanisms for these ships were very often of German manufacture!
                  1. -1
                    30 November 2025 20: 20
                    You've just revealed a really awesome secret!
                    1. +3
                      30 November 2025 20: 28
                      Reminded me!
                      Who will remember the old ...
                      And who will forget...
                2. +3
                  1 December 2025 06: 22
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  Colleague, don't distort things.
                  Was it against "friendly" Germany that the most powerful fleet of the Russian Empire was built before WWI?


                  I ask you not to distort this.
                  You know very well that the Baltic Fleet perished near Tsushima Island. That's why a new one was built.
                  1. 0
                    1 December 2025 09: 29
                    You know very well that the Baltic Fleet perished near Tsushima Island. That's why a new one was built.

                    That's exactly it. Not against Germany, but because a new Baltic squadron needed to be created.
                    1. 0
                      1 December 2025 17: 38
                      Quote: vet
                      That's exactly it. Not against Germany.

                      Colleague, have you tried to research the issue before making any statements?
                      Germany was seen as an adversary in the Baltics at least as early as the 1880s...
                      1. -1
                        1 December 2025 18: 30
                        If they ordered a ton of warships from the Germans, they weren't really "looking at" them as a potential adversary!
                        Very weak.
                        And they gave that German a lot of money.
                        Lots of.
                      2. 0
                        1 December 2025 19: 09
                        Quote: hohol95
                        If they ordered a ton of warships from the Germans, they weren't really "looking at" them as a potential adversary!

                        Sorry, but the fact that the USSR bought the Lützow (and many other things) from Nazi Germany does not mean that Hitler was not considered an adversary.
                        As Comrade Stalin said, a ship bought from the enemy is worth two. We have one more, he has one less.
                      3. +1
                        1 December 2025 20: 13
                        For the Senior Seaman, it is necessary to compare the "Lützow" purchased by the Soviet commission from the Third Reich (it was supposed to be completed in the USSR and was essentially a source of technology) with the "scattering" of "Dobrovolets"-class destroyers and the legendary "Noviks".
                        Some of the "newcomers" were supposed to build the Putilov factory, but...
                        Those Germans, bastards, just imagine what they've done - after the start of the First World War, they refused to supply the Russians at the Putilov plant with machinery for the workers who were supposed to build the shipyard given to the Putilov plant in 1913!
                        The shipyard equipment was supplied by the German company Blohm und Voss.
                        "Captain 2nd Rank Izylmetyev" (from December 31, 1922 "Lenin") Launched on October 21, 1914, completed and delivered only in July 1916. Turbines ... (no, not German) Swiss Brown-Boveri.
                        "Lieutenant Ilyin" (from July 3, 1919 in "Garibaldi", from December 31, 1922 in "Trotsky", from February 14, 1928 in "Voikov", from November 26, 1953 in "PKZ-52".) Launched on November 15, 1914, and commissioned even later, on November 30, 1916. Regarding the power plant, everything is the same. Brown-Boveri turbines.
                        "Captain 2nd Rank Kingsbergen" (renamed "Captain 1st Rank Miklukha-Maclay" on June 14, 1915, then "Spartak" on January 3, 1919, "Vambola," and on June 30, 1933, "Almirante Villar"). On August 14, 1914, the destroyer "Captain 1st Rank Miklukha" was launched, and on December 14, 1917, it was accepted by the Baltic Fleet and transferred to the main base of the Baltic Fleet, Helsinki, where it joined the 2nd Destroyer Division. The story is the same: the propulsion system is not German (as planned), but the same Swiss turbines.
                        "Kapitan 2nd Rank Belli" (Karl Liebknecht) since July 13, 1926; PPR-63 since April 3, 1956. Launched on October 10, 1915, but construction was soon suspended and the ship mothballed. It was not completed until 1928. The turbines are the same.
                        "Captain 2nd Rank K. Zotov" (not completed at all)
                        "Captain 2nd Rank Kern" from March 31, 1925, "Rykov," from February 13, 1937, "Valerian Kuibyshev." Same turbines, same boilers. Completed only in 1927.
                        "Captain 2nd Rank Crown" (not completed).
                        "Lieutenant Dubasov" (not completed).
                        But the 3,85 million rubles actually went to the Germans. And some of it was "appropriated" by them. That's how the German "Zerstorers" came into being.

                        In August 1914, Blohm & Voss and AG Vulcan Stettin approached the German Navy with a proposal to build four ships, two at each shipyard (B-97 and B-98, B-109 and B-110), using propulsion systems manufactured for Russian destroyers. These were slightly different destroyers, purely German, but their propulsion systems were the same ones, paid for with Russian money. Profitable? So much for that…


                        https://dzen.ru/a/Y1BsFIXVA2ZP4gV9

                        The Soviet Baltic Fleet lost little due to the unfinished construction of the Lutzov!

                        But the Imperial Baltic Fleet lost a great many warships due to the unfinished construction, which had been needed in its composition since almost 1914.

                        And the Soviet Union also purchased soil-carrying barges from Germany.
                        During the Great Patriotic War they became gunboats!
                        But they were complete, with crews, and were easily repaired by Soviet specialists.
                      4. -2
                        1 December 2025 20: 31
                        Quote: hohol95
                        For the Senior Seaman, it is necessary to compare the "Lützow" purchased by the Soviet commission from the Third Reich (it was supposed to be completed in the USSR and was essentially a source of technology) with the "scattering" of "Dobrovolets"-class destroyers and the legendary "Noviks".

                        I think you didn't finish your sentence... is the thought gone?
                        And, in general, what is the point of this senseless copy-paste?
                        If they wanted to cover up her double standards, it didn't work out)
                        Quote: hohol95
                        soil-carrying barges.
                        During the Great Patriotic War they became gunboats!

                        So what?
                        "Askold" and "Bogatyr" also fought well (considering their obsolescence) against the Germans in WWI.
                        As for "technology," three cruisers were built in Russia based on the Bogatyr model and two on the Novik.
                        Of the 24 "Volunteers," only four were built in Germany. The rest were built in the Russian Empire.
                        Can you tell us what was built in the USSR based on the Lützow?
                        In any case, the fact that we bought weapons from Germany (whether under the Kaiser, the Weimar Republic, or the Nazis) does not mean that Germany was not considered a potential enemy.
                      5. +2
                        1 December 2025 21: 59
                        Surely you won’t deny that, while “looking out” for a potential enemy in the German Empire, Russian admirals very often and very heavily depended on German industrialists!
                        And this affected the combat capability of the Baltic Fleet during the First World War.
                        Lost two light cruisers, Muravyov-Amursky and Admiral Nevelskoy.
                        Who ordered them in Germany before the war???
                        And there is nothing to say about the various mechanisms and turbines.
                        After the war began, it became clear that it was necessary to urgently find other suppliers to complete the construction of many warships.

                        Probably the Russian admirals with "large epaulettes" and other naval officials had poor eyesight and did not see in the German Empire the most serious enemy.
                      6. -1
                        2 December 2025 16: 45
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Surely you won’t deny that, while “looking out” for a potential enemy in the German Empire, Russian admirals very often and very heavily depended on German industrialists!

                        Not nearly as often as you think.
                        But yes, the Germans built quickly and relatively inexpensively. They took advantage of this.
                        Again, from 1881 to 1914, there were periods of rapprochement, and then there were times when peace, as they say, hung by a thread. Tariff wars and all that. In general, Wilhelm II pursued an extremely inconsistent policy, so being "friends" with him was very difficult.
                        Quote: hohol95
                        And there is nothing to say about the various mechanisms and turbines.

                        Just like the grain that the USSR was shipping to Germany in trains on June 21st...
                        Our ancestors had no hindsight, neither under the Tsar nor under Soviet rule. They knew there would be a war, but when...
                      7. 0
                        2 December 2025 17: 43
                        Just like the grain that the USSR was shipping to Germany in trains on June 21st...

                        And Vologda oil with pine nuts...
                      8. +3
                        1 December 2025 22: 51
                        Quote: Senior Sailor
                        but from the fact that the USSR bought "Lützow" from Nazi Germany

                        Well, that's not quite true. More precisely, not true at all. The cruiser Lützow was a gift. Yes, a gift. Unfinished.
                3. 0
                  1 December 2025 09: 28
                  An unfriendly country, Germany? Then why did the "friendly" King of England refuse to accept the family of the former Russian Emperor, while the "unfriendly" Kaiser of Germany agreed to accept the family of the former monarch of a country still at war with Germany? And the Bolsheviks negotiated this with the German delegation in Brest. They wanted to get rid of a family that was useless and causing nothing but trouble. But before Wilhelm could do so, he himself was overthrown.
              3. -2
                1 December 2025 14: 27
                And it wasn't the communists who destroyed this country.


                Not at all. What is, is.
          5. +3
            30 November 2025 13: 58
            Quote: ArchiPhil
            I wonder what kind of country we would live in (if we lived at all) if the white movement won in the Civil War?
            Vasily Aksenov has an interesting utopian novel called Island of CrimeaThe plot is as follows - The Reds failed to take Crimea, and it began to develop along capitalist lines, eventually turning into a prosperous state, somewhat reminiscent of the history of modern Taiwan.I think this is what the country would have been like if the Whites had won the Civil War... wink
            1. +2
              30 November 2025 14: 10
              Vasily Aksyonov has a curious utopian novel called Island of Crimea.
              I read it at the time, not in samizdat, of course, but in *Youth*. But I want to quote one reviewer of the novel: *It wasn't the USSR that conquered Aksyonov's Crimea, it was Aksyonov's Crimea that became part of the USSR!* In some ways, one can agree with him. hi
            2. +5
              30 November 2025 14: 46
              How much money have Americans invested in Taiwan and the Republic of Korea (South Korea)???
              Who would have invested money in White Crimea after the end of the First World War?
              French, British, Americans, Japanese, Germans, Italians?
              1. -1
                30 November 2025 16: 56
                Quote: hohol95
                How much money have Americans invested in Taiwan and the Republic of Korea (South Korea)???
                Why do you have to invest money? Don't you rely on your own brains? wink
                1. +6
                  30 November 2025 17: 34
                  Could Tsarist Crimea, with its water supply problems, provide itself with fresh water?
                  Or who would maintain the port of Sevastopol in proper condition?
                  Where would Wrangel get the INITIAL CAPITAL?
                  Out of thin air?
                  Or are you SURE that "Billy Boy" with the last name Gates "invented" the Windows OS in a dark basement after hard work as a dockworker at the port and achieved everything with his mind without money?
            3. +2
              30 November 2025 16: 14
              Vasily Aksyonov has a curious utopian novel called "Island of Crimea." The plot is as follows: the Reds failed to take Crimea, and it began to develop along capitalist lines.

              Dissident nonsense. Isolated, semi-desert, and impoverished Crimea cannot feed itself and is always unprofitable. Its only usefulness is as a Black Sea naval base for one of the great powers, and, secondarily, its coastline as a resort area. But no one but Russia would care about the well-being of Crimeans, as demonstrated by its experience in Ukraine, where the peninsula has rapidly deteriorated.
              1. +1
                30 November 2025 16: 58
                Quote: vet
                Dissident nonsense
                Quote: Luminman
                utopian novel
          6. +4
            2 December 2025 08: 23
            I wonder what kind of country we would live in (if we lived at all) if the white movement won in the Civil War?

            You live in it now, what's so interesting? laughing Yesterday, the whites fought for the "bright" present today. Isn't it clear? laughing
            1. +1
              2 December 2025 16: 48
              Quote: parusnik
              You live in it now,

              I'm afraid it's not that simple. Economic problems after a less-than-successful war, a ton of unresolved issues, and a huge number of demobilized soldiers and officers accustomed to facing death...
          7. +2
            4 December 2025 12: 59
            It would have been a vast, strife-ravaged country, "neither fish nor fowl." Like Romania before WWII. With obvious consequences.
        2. +1
          30 November 2025 09: 10
          dissolution of the regiment.

          The scene with the undertaker? Although I can't say for sure; I'll have to reread and rewatch it. But the TV series *White Guard* is pretty good, in my opinion, if you don't compare it to the Soviet film. Both have excellent actors from different generations.
          1. 0
            30 November 2025 09: 25
            Before that. He disbands the regiment. And then the scene with the undertaker. The line about shaving is the first thing that comes to mind.

            They say that Elena Sergeevna Bulgakova added this scene to "The Flight".
        3. -1
          30 November 2025 10: 04
          Quote from Korsar4
          From "The White Guard" - a mass scene of the regiment's dissolution.

          This is already in the realm of modern invention, you probably mean when the division was disbanded, the 2012 series has nothing in common with Bulgakov's novel, they distorted it and made up unnecessary things.
          "The White Guard" is a novel about the life of a single family during the German occupation of Kyiv, then the Hetmanate, and then the Petliura regime.
          The play "The Days of the Turbins" (White Guard), Stalin's favorite theatrical production
          And did Slashchev tell you about the regiment's mass disbandment? Everyone was running away, both en masse and individually.
          1. +4
            30 November 2025 11: 12
            No. Remember how Turbin sent the kids home from school?
            And his junior officers tried to arrest him.

            Efremov's character accomplished the same thing in "The Flight".
            1. -2
              30 November 2025 11: 19
              Okay, what's there to argue about?
              -Running- and -White Guard-, about different things
              1. +1
                30 November 2025 11: 37
                But no one argues with this.

                There was a thesis about the absence of episodes from The White Guard in The Flight.

                I noticed the presence of this episode.
                1. +6
                  30 November 2025 12: 03
                  Run

                  Ulyanov and Yevstigneyev are so good in this film!!! The entire cast is great, but these two! They're damn brilliant. good
                  1. +2
                    30 November 2025 13: 12
                    We keep coming back to this. I completely agree. They're brilliant in every gesture.

                    But the first one I remember is Dvorzhetsky.
                    1. 0
                      30 November 2025 13: 42
                      But the first one I remember is Dvorzhetsky.

                      The eyes, Sergey, the eyes!!! These chilling, dead, and scary giant eyes! And overall, the character is very creepy, creepy in his icy iciness.
                      1. +2
                        30 November 2025 13: 50
                        Eyes. Of one who has looked into the underworld. Like Dante.
  4. -3
    30 November 2025 09: 21
    Only officers sign up to volunteer, as ordinary Cossacks don't want to serve as volunteers.

    And in Krasnaya..."they wanted" lol :the voluntary conscription announced in January 18 (there was also a need for...two recommendations for joining - such an influx was expected lol ) completely failed.

    No wonder people still didn't want to kill each other, they didn’t know what kind of Soviet power it was and, at first, only the ideological ones fought.

    But when the Cossacks realized what kind of power had come, the Don, Kuban, Terek, and others revolted en masse.

    The Cossacks were cruelly punished with genocide, exile, robbery, and famine mowed them down in 21,33...

    Red troops of the 9th Army of Mikhail Levandovsky, a former staff captain of the Imperial Army and holder of four Tsarist orders

    Corps Commander E. I. Kovtyukh, a non-commissioned officer and later ensign in the Tsarist Army, was awarded two St. George's Crosses, the St. Ann's Sword, and three Orders of the Red Banner. From May 1926, he commanded Red Army corps. The hero of the novel A. Serafimovich "Iron Stream.

    And then, author, what's next, Roana heroes, what are we ashamed of? Let's help the author—and 1938 admitted to participating. in a military-fascist conspiracy, the Shrions were shotServes them right—they chose the wrong side. But they also lost seven of their own:
    His wife, Agafya Andreyevna Kovtyukh, was sentenced as a member of a traitor's family to eight years in a labor camp, serving her sentence in Temlag. His son, Valentin (born 1921), was sentenced to five years in a labor camp, and after serving his sentence, he was sentenced to ten years of exile in the Karaganda region. His son, Boris (born 1925), was sent to an orphanage.


    This is the government's devious cruelty—revenge against innocent parents, wives, and children. They extracted "confessions" through blackmail and the arbitration of families.
    1. VLR
      +4
      30 November 2025 09: 56
      And then, author, what next?

      Andrey, have you heard the saying "you can't embrace the immensity"? Can you imagine what kind of article would result if I got sidetracked by every character I mentioned? The correct answer is: it wouldn't work at all. It would fall apart. I wrote little about the fate of the main character's distant relative because people often confuse him with him. For some of the others mentioned, I simply tried to give brief descriptions under the photos.
      Incidentally, I also wrote about the Reds and some other participants in the Civil War, but not as part of a single series. There were articles about Shchors, Kochubei, Lazo, and Kotovsky—I concealed nothing in their biographies. I also wrote about Makhno's collaborator, later a Chekist, Zinkovsky (better known as Lyova Zadov), another of Makhno's comrades, Shchus, and the ataman's wife, Nikiforova.
      1. -7
        30 November 2025 10: 09
        Quote: VlR
        Can you imagine what kind of article would result if we were distracted by every character mentioned in passing?

        In principle, it is like this.

        But here's what you wrote about Kovtyuzh:
        Corps Commander E. I. Kovtyukh, a non-commissioned officer and later ensign in the Tsarist Army, was awarded two St. George's Crosses, the St. Ann's weapon, and three Orders of the Red Banner. From May 1926, he commanded Red Army corps. He is the hero of A. Serafimovich's novel "The Iron Stream," about the Taman Army's campaign in the summer of 1918, and the author of "The Iron Stream in Military Account."

        That is, they even mentioned writing, but most importantly, there was no mention of the execution in 1938.
      2. -3
        1 December 2025 05: 27
        Quote: VlR
        Kotovsky did not hide anything in their biographies.


        Well, it's impossible to hide anything about Kotovsky specifically. Even professional historians say his entire biography is pure fiction.
  5. +6
    30 November 2025 12: 04
    He was probably one of the few who, having become involved in a losing cause, tried to think about the discipline of the troops entrusted to him and about his own reputation.
    "The wind of freedom and military permissiveness did not blow through his head from ear to ear..."
    A serious and competent opponent!

    If the White Movement had won, he would not have received glory and would probably have been quickly dismissed for health reasons.
  6. +7
    30 November 2025 13: 05
    Thanks to the author for his work and the interesting information provided.
  7. +4
    30 November 2025 14: 09
    A wonderful series of articles. All of this was studied and covered back in the 70s, but the author's pen truly captures the "nerve of the era." The ferocity and brutality of the emergence of the new and the resistance of the old. Today, power has once again fallen into the hands of the heirs of Shkuro, Mamontov, Denikin, Wrangel, and Krasnov. The results are visible to all and are associated with nothing but degradation. The logic of history is cruel, and to move forward into the future, we must return to the past, and the achievements of the oligarchy will once again be defended by such heroes as these.
    1. -4
      1 December 2025 14: 23
      Today, power is once again in the hands of the heirs of Shkuro, Mamontov, Denikin, Wrangel and Krasnov.


      What nonsense is this? If power had been in the hands of people like Denikin, there would have been no treacherous destruction of the country by the communists.
      1. +1
        1 December 2025 14: 27
        After the Novorossiysk evacuation, Denikin was hated and despised even by the White Guards, who "asked" him to leave his post as commander-in-chief.
        1. -1
          1 December 2025 14: 46
          In fact, this is an exaggeration. After the evacuation from Novorossiysk, Denikin did indeed face harsh criticism and pressure from some officers, which led to his resignation. However, to say that he was "hated and despised by all White Guards" is incorrect. Many continued to respect him as an honest and principled man. It was a difficult situation, not a universal hatred.
      2. 0
        3 December 2025 20: 00
        I don't even know what to say to that. All the facts, logic, and history probably won't tell you anything or explain anything.
  8. +4
    30 November 2025 17: 56
    Sergei Georgievich Ulagay died on April 29, 1944 in Marseille and was buried in one of the cemeteries of this city.

    A grimace of history. The loser died peacefully in his bed, while his victors, Kovtyukh and Levandovsky, were executed by their own people.
    By the way, my grandfather Ivan Nikitich Ochenkov took part in repelling the Ulagaev landing.
    1. +3
      1 December 2025 09: 33
      Kovtyukh and Levandovsky lived interesting and eventful lives after the Civil War, bringing great benefit to our country. Meanwhile, the White Guard outcasts rotted abroad, constantly squabbling among themselves and blaming each other for the defeat. Most died as worthless vegetables, like Denikin and Wrangel. A minority decided to completely disgrace themselves by collaborating with Russia's enemies and were then hanged like dogs—like Krasnov, Shkuro, and Semyonov.
      1. -7
        1 December 2025 14: 21
        And how did the dog Lenin die?
        1. +5
          1 December 2025 14: 33
          He was sincerely mourned by the people. Half a million people came to bid him farewell, without any orders or instructions from above, from all over the country. People stood in line for hours in the freezing cold. In Petrograd, 70 people took part in the mourning ceremonies. Patriarch Tikhon said of Lenin:
          "Every believer has the right and opportunity to commemorate him. Vladimir Ilyich Lenin and I, of course, had ideological differences, but I know him as a man of the kindest and most truly Christian soul."
          1. -6
            1 December 2025 14: 43
            These are all laudatory odes, but the Patriarch most likely didn't say such words. There are no definitively confirmed archival documents that wouldn't raise doubts or be edited; and given the complex political and ecclesiastical situation of the time, there is reason to believe the words could have been distorted or added.
          2. -3
            1 December 2025 17: 45
            Quote: vet
            Patriarch Tikhon said about Lenin:

            The only problem is that the patriarch has nothing to do with this.
            And here is his actual letter to the Council of People's Commissars
            https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/Tihon_Belavin/poslanie-patriarha-tihona-po-sluchaju-pervoj-godovshhiny-oktjabrskoj-revoljutsii/
      2. -3
        1 December 2025 17: 31
        Quote: vet
        Kovtyukh and Levandovsky lived an interesting and eventful life after the civil war, bringing much benefit to our country.

        And the country thanked them... Right?
      3. -5
        1 December 2025 19: 06
        Quote: vet
        Kovtyukh and Levandovsky lived an interesting and eventful life after the civil war.

        Yeah, very interesting - on command they would yell "Glory to Yagoda!" then "Death to Yagoda!!" lol
        And try to yelp!
        Quote: vet
        And the White Guard outcasts, constantly squabbling with each other

        lol it's funny.
        The highest commanders of the Red Army vied with each other to the death, reporting on each other's betrayals and espionage, while the whites were as far away from them as the moon.
        Quote: vet
        Most of them died as vegetables that no one needed.

        Yeah, and the Lewandowskies went to someone... as needed cucumbers - whatever you say..
        Quote: vet
        The minority has decided to completely disgrace itself by collaborating with Russia's enemies.

        Where are the million Soviet citizens under Hitler?
  9. +5
    30 November 2025 20: 05
    Eduard Karlovich Germonius (1864–1938). An artillery officer, he graduated from the Mikhailovsky Artillery Academy and worked in defense enterprises, becoming the first director of the Samara Pipe Factory. During World War I, he was involved in supplying the Russian Army. With the outbreak of the Civil War, he rejected the new government and focused on supplying the White armies, including N.N. Yudenich's Northwestern Army, against which his own son fought.

    Vadim Eduardovich Germonius (1890–1937) volunteered for the Russian Army in 1914 and rose to the rank of lieutenant. He joined the Red Army in 1918, commanding the 2nd Separate Anti-Aircraft Division of the Petrograd Air Defense Artillery. He participated in the Defense of Petrograd against N. N. Yudenich's White Guards and their allies (Estonians, Finns, British, etc.). He later participated in the suppression of the Kronstadt Uprising, fought against the Basmachi, and was twice awarded the Order of the Red Banner.

    This story ended like many similar ones. The son did not survive 1937, and the father died in exile in 1938.
    1. +1
      1 December 2025 09: 19
      The Whites couldn't have won in principle. They lacked the resources. Victory was achieved by a centralized force—a centralized state. Let's not forget that the Bolsheviks and Left Socialist Revolutionaries seized power. Of course, it wasn't without its problems, but this state system (officials and administrators) functioned normally, which allowed them to concentrate resources for victory in the civil war. That's the first point.
      Two - the Whites had no rear. And three, most importantly:
      - biology, degradation of the elite, had to be eliminated physically
      - unresolved land issue;
      - excess of peasants;
      - the national question (Russians and Jews) against Germans
      - the religious question (Old Believers versus the Russian Orthodox Church) and so on.
      This hellish mixture exploded.
  10. -5
    1 December 2025 14: 18
    Unfortunately, he remained on the white side.


    Alas, why didn't you become a traitor? winked
    1. +2
      1 December 2025 14: 24
      And who would he have betrayed by siding with his own people? The robbers and marauders Shkuro and Mamontov? Krasnov, who later served the Germans? The deranged sadists Semyonov and Annenkov? Wrangel, who tried to sell southern Russia to the French, for which even the émigrés later reviled him, and Slashchev even before his emigration?
      1. -2
        1 December 2025 14: 48
        Ulagay would not "betray" anyone because he had already made his choice—he served the side he considered legitimate and right. Going over to the enemy in the midst of a civil war was always considered treason, regardless of the quality of the commanders around him. The presence of problematic figures among the Whites doesn't change the fact that Ulagay didn't change sides under pressure. His position is a matter of personal honor and principles, not a judgment on all his allies in the movement.
      2. -5
        1 December 2025 19: 09
        Quote: vet
        going over to his side people?

        people I never chose the reds anywhere
  11. +2
    1 December 2025 19: 54
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: vet
    going over to his side people?

    people I never chose the reds anywhere

    Well, yes, yes, if the facts contradict your beliefs - well, so much the worse for the facts.
    1. -4
      2 December 2025 08: 53
      Quote: acetophenon
      Well, yes, yes, if the facts contradict your beliefs, well, so much the worse for the facts.

      You speak well of yourself...

      And the FACTS are that the Reds lost the elections to the US, and the elections to the "people's" lol the country never had: the Bolsheviks knew that they would lose and were afraid of them to the point of enuresis, arranging farce no choice..
  12. +2
    2 December 2025 17: 18
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: acetophenon
    Well, yes, yes, if the facts contradict your beliefs, well, so much the worse for the facts.

    You speak well of yourself...

    And the FACTS are that the Reds lost the elections to the US, and the elections to the "people's" lol the country never had: the Bolsheviks knew that they would lose and were afraid of them to the point of enuresis, arranging farce no choice..

    Life is a choice, a real choice. And the people went to war for the Reds. And those who went for the Whites soon "voted with their feet." And the pieces of paper thrown into the ballot box are just pieces of paper. I suppose you've noticed this over the past few years?