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Jesuits are “socialists” and the destruction of the world's first socialist state

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Jesuits are “socialists” and the destruction of the world's first socialist state Many people know that Christianity and socialism are very close in their spiritual and ideological plans. However, few people know that it was the Jesuit monks who created in the territory of modern Paraguay (Latin America) the first state education in the world with signs of socialism, and even long before the appearance of Marx’s teachings. The killing of socialist Paraguay is one of the darkest and bloodiest pages in stories Latin America.


From the history of Paraguay

The first European set foot on the land of modern Paraguay in the 1525 year - it was the Spanish explorer Alejo Garcia. He was shipwrecked on the island of Santa Catarina and began to move inland along the Pilcomayo River. Back in 1515, the Spanish explorer Hun Díaz de Solis discovered the mouth of the Paraná River (he died in a skirmish with the Indians). Before the arrival of Europeans, the territory of Paraguay was settled by Guarani Indians. In 1528, Sebastian Cabot founded the fort of Santa Esperita. In August 1537, Juan de Salazar founded Asuncion, the future capital of Paraguay. This year is considered the beginning of the history of this Latin American country. Then the Spaniards founded several more strongholds and began to send to Paraguay (translated from the language of local Indians, the word “Paraguay” means “from the great river” - meaning the Paraná River) special managers.

At the beginning of the 17 century, Spanish Jesuits began to base their settlements in Paraguay. It should be noted that the Order of the Jesuits - the male monastic order of the Roman Catholic Church, was a special and very remarkable structure. The Jesuits played a large role in the Counter-Reformation, often playing the role of a kind of special service. Heretics and dissenters inside the church were identified, and investigations were conducted. The Jesuits were active in Eastern Europe, penetrated into Japan, China, Africa and Latin America. We collected data in the interest of Rome. The Order was actively engaged in science, education and missionary activity. The Jesuits had their own educational institutions with very high selection criteria and a good curriculum. It is clear that many of the Jesuits were highly educated people with a broad outlook and vast life experience. These were people capable of making important decisions without permission from above.

In Paraguay, monks, based on the institutions of the Inca Empire and the ideas of Christianity, attempted to create a theocratic-patriarchal community (“kingdom”). It was the first attempt in the world to create a fair society without private property with the primacy of the public good, where society stood above the individual. The Jesuit order in the areas inhabited by the Tupi-Guarani tribes, mainly in the territory of modern Paraguay, as well as in parts of the territories of present-day Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia and Uruguay, created Indian reservation-reductions (Spanish reducciones de Indios). In these reservations, the Indians were converted to Christianity and tried to make them sedentary people engaged in producing farming — farming and herding, as well as handicrafts and manufactory production. More than 170 thousand Indians were civilized. The monks brought them a fairly high level of agricultural technology, taught them crafts, transferred certain elements of spiritual culture, choirs, orchestras were organized, musical instruments were made.

In each settlement, along with the Indian leaders, there was a Jesuit priest, with the vicar, who performed not only spiritual duties, but also were leaders of the local administration. The Indians worked together, all the fruits of labor were collected in special shops, from which they gave out products to all who needed them. The monks were not tyrants, they did not impose by force Spanish and European customs, so the Indians treated them well. Settlements flourished, “Christian socialism” was a fairly effective form of organization that brought economic success. The Jesuits had high autonomy, and practically did not submit to the civilian authorities of the colony. If necessary, Native American settlements gathered militia, repelling the attacks of slave traders and their Native American mercenaries. In addition, the Jesuit reductions had to confront the neighboring Portuguese colonies.

It is clear that the independence of the monks irritated the Portuguese and Spanish authorities. They had their own plans for the Indians and for the territories occupied by the Jesuits. In 1750, Spain and Portugal signed the Madrid Treaty. This agreement settled the borders of possession of the two powers in South America, in particular, on the territory of present-day Brazil. Under this treaty, the Spaniards ceded a narrow strip of Portugal along the banks of the Uruguay River - the eastern edge of the territories of the Jesuit missions in Paraguay. Under the power of Portugal passed 7 reductions.

The Jesuits refused to carry out this decision. An attempt by Spanish soldiers to resettle Indians into the territory subject to the Spanish crown failed. A bloody war began, known as the Guarani war or the war of seven reductions (1754-1758). Guarani under the leadership of Sepe Tiražu put up fierce resistance. The Spaniards and the Portuguese had to work together to evict them. In February, a combined Spanish-Portuguese squad attacked Indian settlements, more than 1756 thousand people were killed.

In the 1760-ies, the Jesuits were driven out of all their possessions. Their numerous and prosperous settlements have declined. Many Indians returned to their former way of life, moving away from the Europeans, into the forests.

Paraguay Independence

The Spanish colonial authorities did not succeed in continuing the work of the monks. The colony began to decay. In 1776, La Plata, along with all of Paraguay, was transformed into a viceroyalty, the processes of colonization were intensified. Therefore, when the Argentines (Buenos Aires became independent) organized the “Paraguayan expedition” in 1810 and tried to start an uprising in Paraguay against Spain, the Paraguayans gathered militia and drove in the “liberators”. In addition, the "liberators" distinguished themselves in the plundering of the local population and other military "joys", which did not add to their sympathy from the Paraguayans (most were Indians, part of them half-breeds - descendants of whites and Indians). It should be noted that the British, who wanted to crush Latin America for themselves, making it a market for their products and get cheap raw materials, played a large role in the process of the collapse of the Spanish colonial empire.

But the process was launched, in 1811, Buenos Aires recognized the independence of Paraguay. The conspirators arrested the governor, a congress was elected, elected by universal suffrage, he chose the junta (from Spanish junta - “assembly, committee”). The leader of the junta was the doctor of theology, former attorney and alcalde Jose Gaspar Rodriguez de Francia and Velasco. For several years, he subdued all branches of government and, until his death in 1840, he was the Supreme Dictator of the Republic of Paraguay. José Francia suppressed the “fifth column” of supporters of the unification of Paraguay with Argentina, and pursued a policy of autarky, that is, he tried to create an economic regime in the country involving self-sufficiency. The Spanish rich were arrested, and then they were forced to pay a large amount, which undermined their economic power over Paraguay.

France partially revived the ideas of Jesuit monks, but without an emphasis on religion. While studying at Cordoba University, he was fascinated by the ideas of the Enlightenment, his characters were Robespierre and Napoleon. The supreme dictator secularized church and monastic lands, property. All religious orders were banned, tithing was abolished, church hierarchs were subordinate to the state. The Pope excommunicated Francia from the church, but this did not make any impression on the dictator. In the country they fought mercilessly against crime, after a few years people forgot about crime.

In Paraguay, a specific national economy was created: the economy was based on social labor and small business. As a result of the confiscation campaign, the state owned almost all the land - up to 98%. Part of the land was leased to peasants on favorable terms, subject to the cultivation of certain crops. Several dozen estates were converted into state farms, they were mainly engaged in the production of leather and meat. State enterprises were also created in the manufacturing industry. The state carried out large-scale public works on the construction and arrangement of settlements, roads, bridges, canals, etc. Slaves and prisoners were widely attracted to work. The import of foreign products was banned into the country, which led to the development of economically successful domestic trade, and encouraged the development of national industry.

Quite surprising for the first half of 19 century, public goods were introduced: in 1828, Paraguay created a system of universal secondary public free education for men; free medicine; poverty has been eliminated, a relatively homogeneous society has been created; low taxes and public food funds. As a result, in Paraguay, with initially low levels of development and an isolated position (access to world markets was only along the Paraná River), it was possible to create a strong industry. Paraguay has become a self-sufficient state, showing rapid development.

I must say that France was not a liberal, various kinds of conspirators, separatists, criminals, enemies of the regime were mercilessly pursued. However, the regime of the Supreme dictator was not “bloody”, many “democracies” were more brutal. During the reign of the dictator, about 70 people were executed and about 1 thousand more went to prison. Therefore, the death of France was for the country a real tragedy, he sincerely mourned.

After the death of Francia, power was transferred to his nephew Carlos Antonio Lopez. Before 1844, he ruled along with Mariano Roque Alonso, they were elected consuls by a popularly elected congress. Lopez, who was a mestizo from a family of poor parents of Indian and Spanish descent (Francio in the field of demography pursued a policy of mixing Spaniards and Indians), rules until 1862 year. He pursued a more liberal policy. Paraguay was already a strong country, ready for “discovery”. Lopez was distinguished by the desire for profit, but did not forget the interests of Paraguay. For the development of the national economy and the armed forces, European artisans and military specialists were invited into the country. The army was modernized according to European standards, its number was increased to 8 thousand people, a river fleet and several fortifications were built. Diplomatic relations were established with many states. Paraguay was open to foreigners, the protective customs tariff was replaced by a more liberal one. Pilar harbor (on the Parana river) opened for foreign trade. Continued to develop ways of communication, science and education. The country stood the seven-year war with Argentina, which did not agree to recognize the independence of Paraguay.

Lopez died in 1862, his son Francisco Solano Lopez accepted the country. A new people's congress approved his authority for 10 years. Under Francisco Lopez, Paraguay reached its peak. The first railway was built. The state continued to invite foreign experts. They began to develop the steel, textile and paper industries, organized the production of gunpowder and shipbuilding, and built artillery factories.

Catastrophe

The successful experience of Paraguay began to look closely to neighboring Uruguay, which had access to the sea. Through Uruguayan ports was the main trade of Paraguay. There was a prerequisite for the unification of the two states. Other countries could join the union. The Paraguayan model of economy and social development was very effective and could spread throughout much of Latin America. And it was something to envy. In Paraguay, a self-sufficient economy was built, imports were reduced to a minimum, and the export of goods consistently exceeded imports. The country had no external debts, the national currency was stable. Due to the absence of capital outflows and state support, a powerful economic recovery took place, the transport and communication infrastructure developed rapidly. Large-scale public works on irrigation, construction of canals, dams, bridges and roads led to a serious rise in the field of agriculture.

In Paraguay, illiteracy was completely defeated, there was a free secondary education and medicine. Maximum prices for basic foodstuffs were set. The country, and it was surprising even for modern Latin America, has forgotten about the poverty, hunger, mass crime and corruption of officials. All capital was directed to development, and not withdrawn from the country, not burned by a narrow layer of parasite capitalists and their attendants (military, intellectual, etc.). Paraguay was ahead of its time in many ways and became an example country. Paraguay showed the way that Latin America and the countries of Africa and Asia could enter from the power of the “financial international”, the Western elite clans, which parasitized the planet.

It was why startled the neighboring Argentina and Brazil, as well as the UK, London bankers. I must say that the then Argentina and Brazil were financially and economically dependent on Britain, their policies were controlled. First, Brazil occupied the Uruguayan port of Montevideo, and a puppet leader was put at the head of Uruguay. Paraguay’s trade has been blocked. Then an alliance was formed between Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil against Paraguay.

Paraguay, in alliance with the Uruguayan National Party and President of Uruguay Atanasio Aguirre, was forced to go to war with Brazil and Argentina. It was a matter of survival - Montevideo was the only access to the ocean. The Paraguayan War or the Triple Alliance War began - lasting from December 1864 to March 1870. Originally a small but well-prepared and patriotic Paraguayan army was successful, invaded foreign territory, captured a number of Brazilian cities and fortifications.

But time and resources were on the side of the opponents. The Triple Alliance possessed an overwhelming superiority in human and material resources. In addition, Brazil and Argentina were supported by the then “world community” and were well supplied with modern weapons and ammunition. Paraguay was cut off from arms suppliers, and the weapons that were ordered before the war were resold to Brazil. The Triple Alliance received interest-free loans from London banking houses, including the London Bank and the Rothschilds.

In 1866, the enemy army broke into Paraguay. It was an unusual war - the population fought to the last opportunity. This was the first total war of the New Time (later this experience will be used in the war against the USSR). The enemy had to break through the lines of defense, each town was taken by storm. Not only men participated in fights, but women and children. Paraguayans did not surrender, some positions could be taken only after all their defenders fell. 1 March 1870, the last Paraguayan squadron was destroyed, and the President of the Republic, Francisco Solano Lopez, fell in this battle.

Results

- The Paraguayan people were completely exsanguinated: the population decreased by 60 — 70%; of the men, nine out of ten died. Some sources cite even more terrible numbers - out of about 1,4 million people, no more than 200 thousand people remained, of which about men were about 28 thousand. Part of the population was not killed, people were sold into slavery. It was a real genocide.

- The Paraguayan national economy was completely destroyed, all social benefits were eliminated. Most of the villages were devastated and abandoned. The remnants of the population settled in the neighborhood of Asuncion, or left in hard-to-reach places, transferred to subsistence farming. Most of the land passed into the hands of foreigners, mostly Argentines, who created private estates. Paraguay's market was open to British goods. The new government immediately took a loan, got into debt. Paraguay was completely devastated, looted, destroyed, and thrown to the sidelines of world development.

- The territory of Paraguay severely cut. Argentina generally proposed to eliminate Paraguay, to divide all lands. But the Brazilian government refused such an undertaking, it wanted to have a buffer between Argentina and Brazil.

However, the territorial acquisitions of the "winners" could not compensate for the huge debts that the Argentines and Brazilians have done. The real winners were “financial international”, which killed two birds with one stone: 1) the daring and successful Paraguayan experiment was drowned in blood; 2) The “victorious countries”, the leading powers of Latin America, fell into financial bondage for almost a century. Brazil and Argentina were able to pay off debts only for the Paraguayan war - in the 1940s. In addition, valuable experience was obtained - with the total war and the almost total destruction of people, an entire nation can be defeated.

In this war, the method of the information war was also used, which is very often used in modern history, when white is turned into black and vice versa. So Paraguay was represented as an aggressor, a dictatorial regime, which itself got involved in a suicidal war and got on the nuts.
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  1. Denis
    Denis April 30 2013 08: 13
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    Paraguayan national economy completely destroyed, all social benefits were eliminated
    Sound familiar?
    Paraguay's market was open to British goods.
    That's why everything worked out. Here he is the root of evil.
    Now the origin of the phrases "Paraguayan poverty" and "Paraguayan donkey" is clear
    1. Yashka Gorobets
      Yashka Gorobets April 30 2013 12: 30
      +9
      Again, the "financial international" worked, why am I not surprised? Everywhere where he worked the rivers of blood.
    2. Val_y
      Val_y April 30 2013 13: 43
      23
      Reminds, and very much. In Ukraine, after the victory of "dermocracy", practically all industry was destroyed, I emphasize the whole (heavy industry, machine-tool building, instrument making, computing industry, pharmaceutical, laboratories, research institutes) already takes anger. And all kinds of scum continue to whistle and whistle (yaytsenyuk, "orange", Yulia, boxer, fascists, all united to turn the country into a collective farm for raising slave workers and supplying prostitutes with mercenaries, to continue the "financial international" business.
      1. Rider
        Rider April 30 2013 16: 27
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        Quote: Val_Y
        already takes anger. And all scum continue to whistle and whistle


        so this is the very meaning.
        supreme puppeteers are perfectly aware that sooner or later Ukraine will be with Russia, they want to weaken you MAXIMUM.

        to make it harder to recover.

        only business

        nothing personal

        and nothing sacred.
      2. Tolik. 975
        Tolik. 975 1 May 2013 07: 32
        +1
        Plus to you. Strongly said to the point. It is a pity that people after a quarter of a century begin to understand what has happened. When will we learn to distinguish wolves from lambs?
  2. Prometey
    Prometey April 30 2013 08: 21
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    If I am not mistaken, Paraguay could not recover from that war. Now Paraguay is a country with a predominant development of the agricultural sector, by the way, one of the main suppliers of beef meat for Russia.
    PS The picture in the subject is well selected. I wonder who the author is and what is called?
    1. Skills
      April 30 2013 09: 00
      11
      Paraguay - a picture of the Uruguayan artist Juan Manuel Blanes (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanes,_Huan_Manuel)
      1. Prometey
        Prometey April 30 2013 11: 04
        +5
        Quote: Skill
        Paraguay - a picture of the Uruguayan artist Juan Manuel Blanes

        Thank. I think I remember now, at school they talked about her. There is something sad and monumental in this picture at the same time.
  3. Boris55
    Boris55 April 30 2013 08: 24
    +5
    This genocide was happening not only there. The seizure of power by parasites took place around the world.

    "... But the destruction of the Holy Faith by Kiev alone did not end. The princely squads, together with Christian preachers, marched through the Russian lands with fire and sword, destroying the Ancient Russian culture, Ancient Russian Temples, Temples, Sanctuaries and Settlements, killing Russian clergy: Kapenov, Volkhvov , Vedunov and Kudesnikov.
    For Xnumx Years of Violent Christianization 9 million Slavs who refused to renounce the Faith of the Ancestors was destroyed and this despite the fact that the entire population, before the baptism of Russia, was 12 million man..."
    The entire text: http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=144

    Everything according to the Bible (instructions for violent globalization of the world):
    2.9 “Do not leave the spells alive (Exodus 22: 18).
    2.10 “He who sacrifices to the gods, except one gentleman, may he be destroyed (Exodus 22: 20).

    The entire text: http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=104
    1. patline
      patline April 30 2013 08: 50
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      The princely squads, along with Christian preachers, fire and sword, passed through Russian lands destroying the Ancient Russian culture

      Eh, the topic is slippery, but it is so interesting to speculate.
      I sometimes come to the conclusion that people lived in peace, believed in different gods. We can say we lived the same way as now. They loved, gave birth, rejoiced, cried, fought ..... But the Jews came, with their "soft power" - Christianity and that's it, reformatted the world for themselves. Then Christianity got out of the control of the Jews and they came up with Islam to fight Christianity. If you look closely, these three religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam - are like three sisters similar to each other.
      Sorry if I offended anyone, I’m Orthodox myself, but you won’t erase thoughts from my head smile
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 April 30 2013 09: 24
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        Quote: patline
        If you look closely, these three religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - like the three sisters are alike.

        Religions are created to separate people.
        To divide, to tie ideology of each group, through this to gain power over the group, and through separation, power over all.
        That’s the whole point of classical Abrahamic religions.
        All of them came out of the same center and were created by the same entity.
        1. radio operator
          radio operator April 30 2013 15: 37
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          Quote: baltika-18
          Religions are created to separate people.
          To divide, to tie ideology of each group, through this to gain power over the group, and through separation, power over all.
          That’s the whole point of classical Abrahamic religions.
          All of them came out of the same center and were created by the same entity.

          Yes, the 20 century, which went down in history as the most atheistic, was extremely peaceful. Not a single war, not a single victim)))
          And about the 21 century - the century of the triumph of atheist liberalism - and you should not think.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 1 May 2013 17: 47
            +3
            If you look at the statistics, you will see one interesting thing. The number of people who died a violent death, in terms of a thousand people ... a constant value! So killing your own kind is simply an inalienable property of a person as a species. No war - suppress cars. In England, by the way, ALL roads on which dangerous speeds can be developed are closed by cameras. The level of deaths in car accidents has fallen. Mortality has increased by exactly the same amount ... from domestic violence!
            In the comment you are responding to, it’s not about war and death at all. Reread it a couple more times for understanding ...
            1. radio operator
              radio operator 3 May 2013 09: 20
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              Quote: Mikhail3
              In the comment you are responding to, it’s not about war and death at all. Reread it a couple more times for understanding ...

              Actually, I was responding to a specific comment, where it was about religions.
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 1 May 2013 17: 42
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          Yes, with the help of paganism or Buddhism there you can’t do such a number. But these three ...
      2. does it
        does it April 30 2013 10: 14
        +3
        Quote: patline
        Eh, the topic is slippery, and it's so interesting to speculate

        and it’s so interesting what was happening on the territory of our country 2,3,5 thousand years ago, and on the account of official history the winner writes it like that ....
      3. alex shnajder
        alex shnajder 3 May 2013 16: 17
        +1
        I agree with you, all these religions have a common root, Judaism.
    2. core
      core April 30 2013 09: 48
      +3
      do not repeat stupid nonsense, you have your own head, think for yourself. this is all the propaganda of the liberals; in Russia in the 11th century there was not such a large population.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 April 30 2013 10: 06
        +2
        Quote: core
        in Russia 11 century there was not such a population.

        You do not recall when the baptism of Rus began?
        In my opinion you missed before the words "there was no such thing ..." - ALREADY there was no such ....
      2. does it
        does it April 30 2013 13: 15
        +2
        Quote: core
        do not repeat stupid nonsense, you have your own head, think for yourself. this is all the propaganda of the liberals; in Russia in the 11th century there was not such a large population.

        for example; we have in Arkhangelsk on the site of Dzerzhinsky Street and the railway station. Earlier there were swamps they were called "mosses" in the civil war there the whites (and maybe the interventionists) shot the "objectionable" then the red ones shot the whites and the "objectionable" ones. Last year, passing to the second-hand bookseller with my acquaintance, I recalled this sad story aloud. And immediately I heard from the side "don't believe all this is a myth of fiction."
        1. core
          core April 30 2013 17: 31
          +2
          no one denies the executions of the unwanted, but you should not repeat the nonsense about 30-40 million shot, you in Arkhangelsk probably exaggerate the figure "HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS SHOTS"
          1. does it
            does it 1 May 2013 08: 22
            +2
            Quote: core
            no one denies the executions of the unwanted, but you should not repeat the nonsense about 30-40 million shot, you in Arkhangelsk probably exaggerate the figure "HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS SHOTS"

            I certainly don’t argue with you about the millions. Prisoners were taken to Arkhangelsk from all fronts, put on a barge or drowned in the White Sea or taken out to Kholmogory and shot there (not only on "mosses"). But this is not the point, but the fact that if now some but not most say that this is a myth of invention, then what will happen in the near future !!!
    3. radio operator
      radio operator April 30 2013 15: 32
      +1
      Quote: Boris55
      "... But the destruction of the Holy Faith by Kiev alone did not end. The princely squads, together with Christian preachers, marched through the Russian lands with fire and sword, destroying the Ancient Russian culture, Ancient Russian Temples, Temples, Sanctuaries and Settlements, killing Russian clergy: Kapenov, Volkhvov , Vedunov and Kudesnikov.

      You repeat these words one after another. But to think a little, no one wants to estimate.
      I will only give you an assessment of the time of the academician Dmitry Sergeevich Likhachev, who drew knowledge not from dubious Internet sources, but from archives and archaeological excavations: "Christianity in Russia was organically accepted by Russian tribes ... There were isolated cases of demolition of temples, most of which came into desolation naturally .. "
      1. Rider
        Rider April 30 2013 16: 57
        +2
        Quote: radio operator
        But to think a little, no one wants to estimate.


        I, too, whenever they talk about the "bloody Christianization of Rus", I suggest the debunkers of myths to distinguish the city burned by the "baptists" from the same one in the princes' strife, or even just by the stray Pechenegs.

        probably "baptists" left inscriptions on the ashes (as in the Reichstag)

        type "2nd biblical regiment, named after John the Baptist, orders of George the Victorious, and Nicholas the Wonderworker of the first degrees"

        it is clear that any new religion does not always treat followers of the old in a good way.
        but to say that during Christianization Russia lost 2/3 of the population-this is ridiculous nonsense.

        even in the bloodiest war in the history of Russia - no more than 1/5.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 April 30 2013 20: 57
        +1
        radio operator

        If you like the story according to Schlösser, Miller, etc. nemchury, who not only did not know how to read Russian, but also speak, if you like the interpretation of the story by their followers - this is your right.
        And I believe that the armies of Cyrus, Darius, Macedonian, Napoleon and Hitler were defeated by "Russian tribes" - Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and another 2 hundred nationalities.
        1. Rider
          Rider April 30 2013 22: 16
          +3
          Quote: Boris55
          If you like the story of Schlösser, Miller, etc.



          I personally don’t like it.

          as well as the HEADLESS statements.

          And I believe that


          faith is good in matters of theology.
          in all other cases, it is advisable to rely on knowledge.

          We saw the respected, total human loss of Russia for the first half of the 20th century, amounted to about 55 million people.
          the consequences of this demographic hole have been felt for 70 years.
          Can you imagine what would have happened on the territory of the Russian principalities, had there been such a (2 / 3 population) GENOCIDE?

          WE JUST WOULD NOT BE!

          neighbors would plow Russia.

          remember the Tatar invasion.
          half of the principalities were burned,
          Lithuania crushed the second under itself.
          (I am aware that the then Lithuania, this is the current Belarus)
          Yes, the Germans got used to Novgorod.

          Well, Russia couldn’t be able to quickly gain strength after (as you say - bloody baptism), and become one of the most powerful states of Europe at that time.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 1 May 2013 08: 09
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            in all other cases, it is advisable to rely on knowledge.
            It is desirable, but only starting with Petruha, our history has been carefully erased, and apart from the “works of German scientists” we have no other data. Or can the library of Ivan the Terrible be found? I have not heard that.

            Can you imagine what would have happened on the territory of the Russian principalities, had there been such a (2 / 3 population) GENOCIDE?
            Do you believe this, that this article says: "... out of about 1,4 million people, no more than 200 thousand people remain, of which about 28 thousand men ..."?

            remember the Tatar invasion. half of the principalities were burned
            Well, Russia couldn’t be able to quickly gain strength after (as you say - bloody baptism), and become one of the most powerful states of Europe at that time.
            And she could not, if not for the "Tatar-Mongol yoke."
            Only by joint actions of Alexander Nevsky in the north and troops from Tataria was it possible to suspend further baptism of Russia for 300 years.

            About the Mongol-Tatar yoke:
            How Christians betrayed Russia (G.K.Sidorov) - http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=166
            Lessons of the Mongol-Tatar “yoke” - http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=329
            The Great Tartaria - Empire of the Rus - http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=292
            Why was Lomonosov sentenced to death? - http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=279
            The Baptism of Russia is true and fiction - http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=154

            To continue the dialogue, please go here: http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=734#p1320
        2. radio operator
          radio operator 3 May 2013 09: 40
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          Quote: Boris55
          If you like the story according to Schlösser, Miller, etc. nemchury, who not only did not know how to read Russian, but also speak, if you like the interpretation of the story by their followers - this is your right.

          Have you ever thought that modern liberals are trying to split society once again, exposing "facts" about 9-12 million, which no historian will confirm?
          Zbigniew Brzezinski said in an interview about Russians in 2005: "Orthodoxy remains the last stronghold of Russians. If we break their spirit, it will be possible to dismember the country."

          Quote: Boris55
          In my opinion, you missed before the words "there was no such ..." - ALREADY there was no such ...

          Very convenient wording when it is impossible to confirm anything. If everything was destroyed, where did you get such information?

          Quote: Boris55
          And I believe that the armies of Cyrus, Darius, Macedonian, Napoleon and Hitler were defeated by "Russian tribes"

          Only you missed one moment - the Russian army in the 1812 year was completely Orthodox, and Stalin in the 1941 year, remembered the Russian Orthodox Church, freed the clergy from the camps and prisons, allocated a plane for the procession around Moscow with the Vladimir Icon of the Mother of God, ASKED the clergy to actively pray for the salvation of the Fatherland, he returned clergymen from the camps. And, for some reason, I immediately remembered Suvorov, Dm. Donskoy, Kutuzov, Nakhimov and others. They suddenly turned from class enemies and minions of tsarism into the great Russian commanders who knew how to fight with skill, not number.
    4. Avenger711
      Avenger711 April 30 2013 18: 02
      +2
      Do you yourself believe in these 9 million?
      1. Rider
        Rider April 30 2013 19: 23
        0
        Quote: Avenger711
        Do you yourself believe in these 9 million?


        and how much do you believe?

        figures maidin falcons and end rezun?

        aaa ger solzhenitsin!
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 April 30 2013 21: 00
        -1
        Do you believe this, that this article says: "... out of about 1,4 million people, no more than 200 thousand people remain, of which about 28 thousand are men ..."?
    5. FC SKIF
      FC SKIF April 30 2013 18: 52
      +3
      They tried to uproot Christianity for 70 years - nothing came of it. Do you really think that if our ancestors strongly and with all their soul believed in Perun, someone could force them to change their religion. Someone belittles the dignity of their ancestors. P.S. earlier figured figure 3 million victims of the followers of the Magi, and now there are already 9. Let's "catch up" them to a hundred, otherwise I will not believe.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 2 May 2013 15: 38
        +1
        Quote: FC Skif
        They tried to uproot Christianity for 70 years - nothing came of it

        Do you know that the founder of Marxism was the son of rabbis?
        Do you understand that religions and teachings (socialisms, communisms, etc. isms) are just a form for keeping slaves in a stall?

        You have not answered the question: Do you believe this, that this article says: "... out of about 1,4 million people, no more than 200 thousand people remain, of which about 28 thousand are men ..."? Yes or no?

        If you believe in one case, then why not believe in the second?
        1. radio operator
          radio operator 3 May 2013 09: 51
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          Do you know that the founder of Marxism was the son of rabbis?
          Do you understand that religions and teachings (socialisms, communisms, etc. isms) are just a form for keeping slaves in a stall?

          Well, you really, sorry, talk about religion and ... Marxism. This is a chimera and utopia, which has proved its complete failure. Recall what Marx said about the Russian people:
          Marx wrote reviews of a historical and philosophical nature, and his overall assessment of Russia was this: here lies a huge lizard, very vicious, with a powerful jaw and small brain (the image used by Marx). For Western civilization, it poses a tremendous threat. According to Marx, the sun of Western civilization cannot go around the world without passing through the Golden Horn Bridge in Constantinople. And it cannot cross this bridge without encountering this monster lying on the road. Therefore, it must be eliminated. Otherwise, Western civilization will not be able to spread throughout the world.
          Harsh statements about Slavs and Russians from the works of Marx in Soviet times were either removed by censorship or, when they leaked out a little, they were explained by the hatred of Marx and Engels towards the Russian autocracy, enslaving and enslaving the people. But this does not explain such, say, the phrase of Marx: “hatred of the Russians was and continues to be with the Germans their first revolutionary passion” or “only a war against Russia is a war of revolutionary Germany” (K. Marx, F. Engels. Collected Works. Second Edition. T. 5, p. 212).
          Quote: Boris55
          Everything according to the Bible (instructions for violent globalization of the world):
          2.9 “Do not leave the spells alive (Exodus 22: 18).
          2.10 “He who sacrifices to the gods, except one gentleman, may he be destroyed (Exodus 22: 20).

          First, you are quoting the Old Testament written for the Jews, but the New Testament is the basis of Christianity.
          Secondly, citing from this site must be done carefully, because quotations there are "corrected", or sucked out of thin air. Source not given.
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          2. Boris55
            Boris55 3 May 2013 15: 09
            0
            Quote: radio operator

            ... Well, you really, sorry, talk about religion and ... Marxism ...
            ... the Old Testament, written for the Jews, but at the heart of Christianity lies the New Testament ...

            All social systems: slavery, feudalism, capitalism, socialism, communism, etc. isms - these are successive stages of perfection to enslave the world according to the Biblical concept. None of these social order encroaches on their power pyramid. Only the methods of slavery are being improved - the best slave is the one who thinks he is free. All these "teachings", from the Bible, Marxism to Ronold Habord, the multipolar world, etc., give slaves only the illusion of freedom.

            Old Testament for slave owners, new - for slaves.
            If you "leafed through" the Bible a little, you probably noticed that the New Testament is based on the Old Testament. The New Testament is full of references to the Old Testament. They are not separable.
            1. radio operator
              radio operator 4 May 2013 09: 14
              -1
              Quote: Boris55
              All social systems: slavery, feudalism, capitalism, socialism, communism, etc. isms - these are successive stages of perfection to enslave the world according to the Biblical concept

              Words, words, words ... dumped in one heap, without trying the slightest analysis or looking back at history.
              Quote: Boris55
              Old Testament for slave owners, new - for slaves.

              Here is what one of the Christian Church fathers John Chrysostom said: the Old Testament is as far from the New as the earth from heaven.
              It seems to me that he knew both covenants a little better than you.
        2. radio operator
          radio operator 3 May 2013 09: 58
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          You never answered the question: Do you believe this, that this article says: "... out of about 1,4 million people, no more than 200 thousand people remain, of which about 28 thousand are men ..." ? Yes or no?

          Now think a little, there are 28 thousand men left. From the course of sociology it is clear that a people with a population of less than 250-300 thousand people, and even with such a bias (only 28 thousand, despite the fact that Orthodoxy forbids polygamy), would inevitably dissolve among the surrounding peoples, even a name would not remain.
          Sorry, but this is complete nonsense. Nonsense from the liberals.
      2. Atash
        Atash 3 May 2013 11: 56
        +1
        Quote: FC Skif
        nothing came of it.

        How to say. Do you see many convinced Christians now? Already in 1917, one must think that the Russians became disillusioned with Christianity, since the Bolsheviks allowed it to be treated like this.
    6. Tolik. 975
      Tolik. 975 1 May 2013 07: 40
      +1
      Also an interesting point:
      Give the stranger a stature, but do not let your brother stature ... Deut 23:20
  4. Boris55
    Boris55 April 30 2013 08: 27
    -1
    Quote: Boris55
    This genocide was happening not only there. The seizure of power by parasites took place around the world.

    "... But the destruction of the Holy Faith by Kiev alone did not end. The princely squads, together with Christian preachers, marched through the Russian lands with fire and sword, destroying the Ancient Russian culture, Ancient Russian Temples, Temples, Sanctuaries and Settlements, killing Russian clergy: Kapenov, Volkhvov , Vedunov and Kudesnikov.
    For Xnumx Years of Violent Christianization 9 million Slavs who refused to renounce the Faith of the Ancestors was destroyed and this despite the fact that the entire population, before the baptism of Russia, was 12 million man..."
    The entire text: http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=144


    Everything according to the Bible: 2.9 “Do not leave spells alive (Exodus 22: 18): http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=104
  5. igor36
    igor36 April 30 2013 08: 44
    11
    The so-called "world government" destroyed Paraguayan socialism at the hands of the Brazilian and Argentine aggressors. They did the same with the USSR, trying in vain to destroy it from the outside, they came to the conclusion that this should be done from within. This policy was successfully implemented by 1991.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 2 May 2013 12: 53
      0
      Everything is great, only the Paraguayans were the aggressors, not the henchmen of "world evil". And they climbed into the war for the sake of seizing power in the neighboring country (to support a potential puppet ruler), and not for the sake of survival
      1. Denis
        Denis 2 May 2013 15: 48
        0
        Quote: cdrt
        the aggressors were Paraguayans
        It happened and so
        "We will inflame the world fire in spite of the bourgeois enemies ..."
        About the export of the revolution as early as in the manifesto of the Communist Party in 1848, it was already written
  6. Egoza
    Egoza April 30 2013 09: 10
    16
    It should also be noted that to a large extent the defeat of Paraguay was due to betrayal. In the army, as usual, there was a plot. General Estigarribia turned out to be a traitor (he was simply bribed), led the best part of the army into the encirclement and surrendered without a fight.
    In general, interesting analogies can be seen when comparing the history of the development of the USSR and the history of Paraguay. Only now the story develops in a spiral, and everything can not be copied to the last letter. Therefore, there is hope that the USSR, unlike Paraguay, will be able to revive! To the joy of the working people and to the evil of the bankers - the capitalists.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 1 May 2013 09: 43
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      General Estigarribia turned out to be a traitor (he was simply bribed), led the best part of the army into the encirclement and surrendered without a fight.

      Elena, doesn’t it seem to you that this story can be applied to Ukraine. Not in the literal sense of course, but the milestones of the path are very similar ...
  7. Follow us
    Follow us April 30 2013 09: 41
    +6
    It is impossible to start an article with such phrases "Many people know that Christianity and socialism are very close in spiritual and ideological terms." After such mistakes, a preconceived attitude is formed that the author does not know what he is writing about. Socialism and Christianity have nothing in common! Socialism is an attempt to build a just human society on earth with public ownership of the means of production. Christianity aims to restore communion with God, lost as a result of the Fall, the union of man with God. As we can see, the goals are completely different, non-overlapping.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey April 30 2013 11: 12
      +4
      Quote: Siga
      You cannot start an article with such phrases "Many people know that Christianity and socialism are very close in spiritual and ideological terms

      I believe that the author here did not mean Christianity as a religion, but the organization of the wound of Christian communities. Well, I understand from the subtext.
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 2 May 2013 12: 55
      0
      I do not agree, although I put the plus :-) under the influence of both the active people tried to revive the City of God on earth - the kingdom of justice. And this already brings them very close. And the idea of ​​socialism was born on a purely biblical European culture
  8. vladimirZ
    vladimirZ April 30 2013 10: 45
    +7
    It is a pity that the USSR did not study the experience of the past "socialism of Paraguay". The mechanism of destruction of "socialism built in one country" must be known and able to deal with it, taking into account new circumstances. We profited from the conquests of our fathers and grandfathers! When will a new socialist state emerge in the vastness of Russia now, and will it be at all?
  9. krez-74
    krez-74 April 30 2013 13: 08
    +6
    There is nothing new in this world ... As soon as a country appears somewhere, declaring its special path, it is attacked by the "civilized", who only do what they bring to people and peoples "happiness and prosperity" ...
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 2 May 2013 12: 57
      0
      Nobody touched Paraguay, he got into the Argentine civil war himself. Perhaps the question is that countries with a "special" path can exist either in the export regime of the revolution, or in the regime of conflict with the whole world
  10. Uncle
    Uncle April 30 2013 13: 33
    +1
    Christianity and socialism are very close in spiritual and ideological planes What nonsense! Socialism denies the existence of God, what a similarity there is.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 April 30 2013 21: 25
      0
      Quote: Uncle
      ... what similarity here ...

      The authors of one and the other are the same:
      http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=384
      http://klin.hutt.ru/viewtopic.php?id=342

      The purpose of their writings is to keep slaves in obedience.
  11. radio operator
    radio operator April 30 2013 15: 17
    +2
    Many people know that Christianity and socialism are very close in spiritual and ideological planes. However, few people know that it was the Jesuit monks who created in the territory of modern Paraguay (Latin America) the world's first state formation with signs of socialism ...
    Quote: Uncle
    Christianity and socialism are very close in spiritual and ideological planes What nonsense! Socialism denies the existence of God, what a similarity there is.

    First, the expression is wrong Christianity and socialism are very close previous comment (Uncle) explains this.
    Secondly, the Jesuits are far from the Christianity that Christ brought. The Jesuits came out of Catholicism, and the Catholics split Christianity, and went the wrong way, because of which the West organized crusades, witch hunts, shameful courts of the Inquisition, etc.
    But if you take Catholicism, then it is really very similar to socialism. Because deism, pantheism, theism emerged from the depths of Catholicism, and as a consequence, atheism, materialism, which, in turn, is the basis for socialism.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle April 30 2013 15: 35
      +1
      The similarity of the Christian commandments and the "Moral Code ..." can be explained simply by the very history of its creation. A group of writers was given a command to write one, by the way, under Khrushchev. Well, they took 10 commandments as a basis. There is a big difference between preaching and confessing. That is, to talk about how to live and live this life and these values.
  12. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay April 30 2013 17: 40
    +1
    Quote: Skill
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бланес,_Хуан_Мануэль

    Judging by the dates of life, an eyewitness to those events.
  13. knn54
    knn54 April 30 2013 18: 01
    +4
    Christianity and communism are spiritually and ideologically close, as many thinkers thought, from Thomas More to Leo Tolstoy.
    For tyrants do not fight like that. So they fight FOR IDEA, FOR DREAM. And if the people are ONE and defends their Homeland, IDEA, they can be defeated only with the help of total genocide.
    The events in Paraguay showed that SOCIALISM can be "cured" ONLY by physically exterminating 90% of the population. But memory cannot be destroyed!
    PS The slaughter was OPEN, first of all, by the Rothschilds International Banking House, which was closely associated with the well-known British bank Baring Brothers.
    PPS And why didn’t you tell people before about such an interesting experience? And why did they just decide to popularize the ideas of socialism?
  14. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF April 30 2013 18: 38
    +5
    Good article - I learned new things. The activities of the Jesuits strongly resemble the affairs of Russian settlers in Siberia and Primorye, directly one to one. According to the article, a conclusion suggests itself, even if it is now rubbed to the point of banality - the proletarians of all countries, unite (one cannot survive alone).
  15. Boris55
    Boris55 April 30 2013 21: 01
    -1
    Quote: Boris55
    If you like the story according to Schlösser, Miller, etc. nemchury, who not only did not know how to read Russian, but also speak, if you like the interpretation of the story by their followers - this is your right.
    And I believe that the armies of Cyrus, Darius, Macedonian, Napoleon and Hitler were defeated by "Russian tribes" - Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians and another 2 hundred nationalities.
  16. bazillius
    bazillius 1 May 2013 00: 30
    +4
    The article is timely: international financiers having trained in Paraguay, in the beginning of the 20th century, perfectly destroyed the Russian Empire, and the most amazing thing is exactly the same as it is now: Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, and Syria is next in line. And we are waiting for guests soon, getting ready.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 2 May 2013 13: 03
      0
      But didn’t RI itself plunge into the unnecessary PMV, fighting for the interests of others? Which actually led to the collapse
      1. Denis
        Denis 2 May 2013 16: 05
        +1
        Quote: cdrt
        didn’t RI itself get into the unnecessary PMV, fighting for the interests of others
        So there!
        Everything is fine with history, how then are the straits?
  17. Tolik. 975
    Tolik. 975 1 May 2013 07: 45
    +1
    Quote: radio operator
    Yes, the 20th century, which went down in history as the most atheistic, was extremely peaceful.

    The 20th century is the golden age of cultural development, but, unfortunately, wars were there too ...
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 2 May 2013 13: 08
      0
      Speaking of culture - maybe after all, the century of the heyday of culture was the 19th century, not 20?
    2. Denis
      Denis 2 May 2013 16: 10
      0
      Quote: Tolik.975
      20th century - the golden age of cultural development
      Many "golden", more precisely Zolotar manifestations
      avant-garde, emo, drug addicts, homosexuals and other informals

      maybe in the 19th it was, but over time it was forgotten
  18. Atash
    Atash 2 May 2013 13: 18
    -2
    Quote: patline
    If you look closely, these three religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam - like the three sisters are alike.

    Quote: baltika-18
    All of them came out of the same center and were created by the same entity.

    They are not "sisters" and did not come out of the same center, but are the same religion at different times. You can say Christianity is "upgrade" of Judaism, Islam is "upgrade" of Christianity. "Upgrades" are really from one source - the Almighty. That is, for Muslims, the Jews who followed the teachings of Moses before the coming of Jesus, peace be upon them both, are absolutely faithful people. The faith of those who did not follow Isa (Jesus) is already being questioned. Likewise, Christians before and after the coming of Mohammad (m. E. And b. A.). If you believe in God, why don't you follow his prophet? That is, you need to follow the latest legislation, because it was published in order for a person to follow it, and not choose between it and the previous ones. And modern Jews and Christians, thus, stand on the faith of their ancestors. The Jews do not recognize Isa (m.u.) and Mohammad (m. E. And b. A.), Christians do not recognize Mohammad (m. E. And B. A.). Christians recognize Moses (ie), Muslims recognize Musa and Isa (peace be upon them both). Modern Judaism and Christianity are, as it were, unhealthy branches that grew out of the faithful previous sections of one tree trunk of the True Religion, which existed from the very beginning, from Adam (peace be upon him) and his books, it did not begin with Abraham (peace be upon him). From the beginning there was a true religion of monotheism, paganism appeared later, that is, then people began to distort it, some time after Noah (i.e.), if we talk about it. Islam, Christianity, Judaism are the names of the last three sections of the trunk.
  19. makdy
    makdy 2 May 2013 14: 46
    0
    http://topwar.ru/18438-tomas-sankara-k-25-letiyu-so-dnya-smerti.html - здесь про африканскую попытку.
    There was also an article about Paraguay.
  20. Khamsin
    Khamsin 2 May 2013 16: 46
    +1
    Each faith has its own cycle of existence.
  21. Azaat
    Azaat 3 May 2013 00: 04
    +1
    The new pope Francis is also from Paraguay and I think that the Rothschilds will have to pay dearly for indulgences. He will remember everything for them.
  22. Atash
    Atash 3 May 2013 13: 16
    -1
    Quote: Boris55
    Do you understand that religions and teachings (socialisms, communisms, etc. isms) are just a form for keeping slaves in a stall?

    Marxism is the ideology of the Bolsheviks, who liberated Russia from the Western yoke, carried out by the Romanovs’s house, starting with Peter 1. With the help of European troops, Peter destroyed the boyars with archers, who otherwise could easily destroy him, he is still in his childhood in his own skin felt. After all, the boyars flourished right up to Peter, and then there were none - and instead of them - the dominance of the Germans at court. In exchange, from that moment on, Russia has constantly defended the interests of a particular European camp in European conflicts (Seven Years War, Napoleon, World War I) and tied its hands to the Ottomans, who were a mortal threat to Europe. All these popular uprisings (Razin, Pugachev, etc.), all these bombers, Narodnaya Volya, all this was a conscious or unconscious struggle against the European yoke. And if the Russian Tsar tried to lead the country along the normal path of development, he was killed - Peter 1 (or 3, I don’t remember), Pavel. They kill Paul - his son Alexander immediately begins to fight with Napa. They kill Peter 2 - Catherine carries out Suvorov campaigns in Europe. And how Russia was liberated in 3, immediately realizes its potential: Soviet Russia controlled half the world, strong as never beforeensuring balance in the world. What was the world under the Sov. Union, and what it is now. The West is an insatiable beast. This is the objective reason for Russia's difficult historical path. Naturally, for the first time in many centuries, having received power into their own hands, the Russian people faced the problem of its distribution, this is the reason for the victims of the civil and Stalinist "repressions". Everyone knows what the redistribution of property is, without this it will not work. Seen in this light, Marxism brought Russia freedom, not slavery.
    1. Denis
      Denis 3 May 2013 16: 21
      +2
      Quote: Atash
      In this light, Marxism brought Russia freedom, not slavery.
      Not to everyone and not to Russia
      so passengers are sealed wagon
  23. Atash
    Atash 3 May 2013 15: 46
    0
    Quote: radio operator
    Marxism. This is a chimera and utopia, which has proved its complete failure

    It is only in Russia that Marxism has been discarded, from extreme to extreme. Throughout the world, he continues to be the ideology of the left. Recently, there has been a significant increase in leftists in South America: Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales. In Nicaragua, which the United States left alone, as a result of free elections, Sandinists with Ortega returned to power (!). Cuba continues to remain Marxist no matter what, 20 years have passed since there was no Soviet Union supporting them. In China, no one ever thought of abandoning ideological values.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 4 May 2013 09: 29
      0
      Quote: Atash
      Recently, there has been a significant increase in leftists in South America: Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales. In Nicaragua, which the United States left alone, as a result of free elections, Sandinists with Ortega returned to power (!). Cuba continues to remain Marxist no matter what, 20 years have passed already, as there is no USSR supporting them. In China, no one ever thought of abandoning ideological values.

      Dear, Marxism is good intentions, in many respects an economic model that denies private ownership of the means of production. That's just in the USSR this property did not exist. And China rose after the economic reforms, Deng Xiao Ping, who just the same introduced the emergency and revived the country. The same thing, except Cuba and North Korea, is in Latin America, where economies are based on emergency situations.
      By the way, one of the first Soviet leaders who "rethought" Marxism was Lenin, who carried out the NEP (the same emergency situation that Marx so fiercely opposed).
      1. Atash
        Atash 8 May 2013 20: 29
        0
        Well then, all these comrades need to prove that they are not Marxists, as they consider themselves, but opportunists.
        Quote: radio operator
        "rethinking" Marxism

        Let's call this practical Marxism. Why do they all not renounce Marxism, but "rethink", but we must definitely discard it. Shall we argue with Ilyich about Marxism? Holier than the Pope?
  24. makdy
    makdy 4 May 2013 05: 20
    0
    There is no religious cult called "atheism". And no one anywhere and never "implants" atheism (unlike religions). The development of sciences, the progress of society goes on without any "divine-atheistic ideas". Atheism is a condition, a process of scientific development. That's life! And all sorts of religious "teachings" - a violation of the normal development of mankind, inhibition of creative comprehension of life and its continuation at a higher material, spiritual, intellectual levels. Therefore, not some special atheists, but people who escaped from the criminal power of the priests interfere with religious fanatics, they are frightened by the loss of power over most people, which gave unlimited material benefits and joy to any perversions. Criminals do not want to lose what is "rightfully owned" and "given" by some "God". That's why they came up with "God".
    1. Atash
      Atash 4 May 2013 06: 44
      +1
      Do you know what was the banner of the fascists? Not the teaching of Nietzsche, as we were taught in the Sov. time, and the teachings of Darwin. "My struggle" implies the struggle for survival from the "theory" of evolution. Hitler read a lot in Darwin's prison, becoming his ardent admirer. By Darwin's theory, this scientific basis of atheism, the Germans justified genocide for themselves because of their national punctuality, love of science mixed with militancy and European cruelty. Note that this is hushed up by the whole world officialdom, because atheism continues, they need atheism, they do not want to denigrate Darwinism. Before World War II, the words "genetics" and "eugenics" were identical, perhaps the first word was rarely used at all. Governments, including the United States, foundations such as Rockefeller foundations funded eugenics institutions. There was serious talk about the Cockney race (Cockney - London poor, if you remember). The world community followed the German experiment with interest, which experiment will win - Russian or German. The victory of the German would mean a practical triumph of Darwinism, and so on. all science and atheism. And today's Germans are sincerely surprised when they read about the atrocities of the SS, how they, the Germans, could do this only half a century ago. They are not being told now that everything came from Darwin. For any scientific theory, 2 years without an absolute "mathematical" proof is overkill. Usually, it is proved within 150 years, in very rare cases 20. There is still no rigorous evidence for Darwinism, on the contrary, there are paleontological evidence that refutes it, which is hushed up. This theory is accepted on BELIEVE, because without it it is impossible for a modern society, whose religion is atheism.
      Technological progress has not made humanity happy. He was driven by war. Without them, there was no space or atom. Islam developed the sciences to the extent to which they were useful to man, and Europeans continued this process already to the detriment.
    2. radio operator
      radio operator 4 May 2013 09: 38
      0
      Quote: makdy
      Atheism is a state, a process of scientific development.

      Sorry, but what kind of science do you have professionally related to?
      Here is what real scientists write:
      Louis Pasteur, French microbiologist and chemist, founder of modern microbiology and immunology.
      “I thought and studied, and therefore I became a believer, like a Breton peasant ...”
      “The descendants will one day laugh heartily at the stupidity of modern material scientists. The more I study nature, the more I am amazed at the inimitable deeds of the Creator. ”

      Max Planck, German theoretical physicist, founder of quantum mechanics.
      “Wherever we look, no matter what the subject of our observation, we find nowhere a contradiction between science and religion. Rather, we ascertain their absolute harmony in the main points, especially in the field of natural science. Both religion and science, in the end result, seek the truth and come to the confession of God. ”
      Were you not acquainted with N. Bekhtereva? Let me remind you - this is the Academician of the RAMS, but her words - I believe in God and had the opportunity to personally verify the possibilities of religion.
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  26. Atash
    Atash 4 May 2013 06: 52
    +1
    Stalin was also a fan of Darwinism, so after the war, realizing that these were the roots of fascism, he walked hard on genetics, identifying it with eugenics, as was customary then.
  27. makdy
    makdy 4 May 2013 12: 23
    0
    The radio operator and Atash - that's just not to lie and distort. Unfortunately, this is the usual state of "new believers".
    Especially about Bekhtereva touched.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 6 May 2013 13: 13
      0
      Quote: makdy
      The radio operator and Atash - that's just not to lie and distort. Unfortunately, this is the usual state of "new believers".
      Especially about Bekhtereva touched.

      What is juggling?
      About Bekhtereva ... not only she thinks so.
      1. Atash
        Atash 8 May 2013 20: 38
        0
        Now this is common among young people. No knowledge, no logic. When there is nothing to say - boorish "Yes la-a-adno!"
  28. makdy
    makdy 4 May 2013 12: 45
    0
    I am an atheist because there is not the slightest need for a fairytale character named "God". Moreover, I am quite familiar with Him, and more than once I listened to his confessions about the difficult divine lot. And he has not had any influence on people for a long time, we live on our own. He left us to the mercy of fate. Which he himself is glad. Yes, and I'm not sad. Here is one of the stories from the last meeting with Himself.
    Sit down guys at the screens of your monitors, and I'll tell you a type of fairy tale, where so much dark matter and energy, and dark at night.

    It is known that God, having seen what people and angels are doing on the just-blinded Earth, decided to redo the Creation, and began to sculpt the Universe. He assembled the angels under the supervision of the senior superintendent, gave them a project, materials, etc., and they began work. But all are some kind of delays, the plan is on, the resource is not enough, trouble and nothing more. He himself sees that there is not enough to do on the new Earth and all life on it for a new one. And he commanded Noah to make the ark. And everything else on Earth to wash off to hell with water. Well, we all know that. Swam.
    And recently I met with him. He came to rest. And you know what happened, that He was furious to the point that he had to be treated here, in the fresh air, on Lake Baikal?
    It turned out that according to the project, the stars were supposed to shine 10 times brighter than the Moon, and the Moon would not exist at all. And this Devil (this is how he calls his superintendent) almost all the material given to him for the construction of the Universe and the new Earth with new people, more than 95% (!), Left to the left, transferred to dark matter and energy. So Noah had to connect, but to no avail - the little people are still the same vile. So He spat on Earth and people, left to their own devices. And he forbade all angels to meddle here. And after 5 thousand years I discovered that the Earth is not deserted, and the people divorced like dirt. That sometimes looks here. And rests from his worries. And none of the angels can find him here.
    Well, now they understand, where so much dark matter and energy come from, and is it dark at night?
    The same.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 6 May 2013 13: 22
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      Quote: makdy
      I am an atheist, because there is not the slightest need for a fairytale character named "God".

      I recalled an interview from Belgorod recently showed: a major-operative asking a newly caught shooter: "What are you doing, bastard? It seems to be Orthodox, but you shoot at people?"
      -I am an atheist, looking from under the forehead said Pomazun. "
      As they say, no comment.
      Quote: makdy
      God is known to ...
      ...dark?
      The same.

      Well, they call believers storytellers hi
      1. makdy
        makdy 6 May 2013 13: 50
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        And what was he thinking of hearing from a frostbitten felon?
        It provoked itself.
        In general, this example to prove what? Your squalor? Happened.
  29. makdy
    makdy 4 May 2013 13: 07
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    The previous post is generally offtopic. I apologize.

    But about it - http://topwar.ru/18438-tomas-sankara-k-25-letiyu-so-dnya-smerti.html - here about an African attempt.
    After all, it could be said before our very eyes - and they did not help. This is the shame of all our "civilization". It is just right to connect the international tribunal.
  30. Ivan-717
    Ivan-717 13 February 2014 09: 38
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    times have not changed