The death of the "singing frigate"...

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The death of the "singing frigate"...
Komsomolets Ukrainy is the lead large anti-submarine ship of Project 61.


American sailors nicknamed the large Project 61 anti-submarine ships "singing frigates" for the melodic whistle of their first-ever gas turbines. They were also perhaps the most beautiful ships of all time—a sleek silhouette with a sharp, upturned bow, a steel lacework of antennas, slanted funnels, and a linear, elevated arrangement. artillery and anti-aircraft missile installations. I've even heard legends that the ship was designed by a woman...




Boris Izrailevich Kupensky, Chief Designer of Project 61

In fact, the project was developed at the Severnoye Design Bureau (then TsKB-53) by General Designer Boris Kupensky. Boris Izrailevich's team received the assignment in early 1957, the technical design was approved in 1958, and on September 15, 1959, the lead ship of the series, Komsomolets Ukrainy, was laid down at the Nikolaev Shipyard named after 61 Communards. A total of 20 large anti-submarine ships of Project 61 will be commissioned into the Soviet Navy. Otvazhny will be the seventh ship in the series and will be assigned to the Black Sea Fleet. fleet January 25, 1965. Over the course of its service, the large anti-submarine ship would be part of a group of Soviet ships that provided military presence during the Six-Day War and the Yom Kippur War. In 1970, it would be declared an excellent ship of the Black Sea Fleet, participate in the Yug-71 and Okean exercises, and carry out seven combat missions, during which it would conduct visits to Port Said, Alexandria, Split, Bissau, Taranto, and Messina.


The Brave in Taranto

The Project 61 ships were considered anti-submarine, but the Titan all-round sonar and Vychegda fire control station, located in the keel fairing, were... So-so: electronics were never a strong point of Soviet weapons systems. Therefore, the ship was more valuable as a battery. Defense: It was the first to be equipped with two M-1 "Volna" anti-aircraft missile systems (also somewhat outdated—the missiles were guided by a radar beam)—one in the bow and one in the stern. Each system included a ZIF-8 twin-boom launcher, a Yatagan guidance system, and two rotating reloading drums, each holding eight missiles. It's worth noting that the Otvazhny's bow mount was the primary one—it was regularly fired, the crew was well-trained, and the equipment was well maintained. The aft mount was last fired in 1970; it was manned on a residual basis, and therefore significantly less well maintained.

A fatal flaw of this system, as it turned out, was the location of the ammunition magazines above the waterline—in the event of a fire, they were impossible to flood. And the magazines of the anti-aircraft missile, aviationThe tanks housing the artillery, depth charges, and aviation kerosene were adjacent, not separated by cofferdams, and located close to the engine room. The ship's superstructure, funnels, and masts were made of aluminum-magnesium alloy. Overall, there were some concerns regarding the ship's survivability, although they were not fundamental.

In late summer 1974, the large anti-submarine ship Otvazhny underwent a significant officer turnover. Young lieutenants, fresh off their first officer's leave, arrived from naval academies. A new first mate, Lieutenant Commander Viktor Balashov, was also appointed to the ship. His independent command certification was scheduled for April 1975. This was a common occurrence, but considering that many experienced officers and warrant officers (primarily the BC-5 and BC-2 commanders, but also the forward control group and aft launch battery commanders, and many others), who could have trained the young men, were on leave, and their replacements were unfamiliar with Project 61 ships...

But the most unsuitable person, as if by Murphy's Law, found himself in the most important position: Midshipman Shuportyak, who hadn't even completed his mandatory naval service (he was a driver in the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany). His professional qualities are best illustrated by the fact that during a celebratory ceremony in Nikolaev, he dressed in civilian clothes, mingled with the crowd, and escaped from the ship. He was later caught in the city, heavily intoxicated, brought back to the ship, and during a search of his cabin, 30 empty vodka bottles were found under his bunk. By the time of the accident, the midshipman hadn't received his pay for two months—he couldn't prove his qualifications (subsequently, replaying all the actions before the accident on the Reshitelny, he couldn't show where the camshaft rod of his combat station was located). How did such a man end up on the ship? Most likely, through connections—his service in the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany could have provided him with useful connections. The political officer demanded that the midshipman be discharged from the ship, which could have saved the Otvazhny, but the decision was made to get off with a Komsomol penalty.


Vice Admiral Vladimir Saakyan, who was a rear admiral at the time of the disaster

On August 30, the ship was in a combat training area 25 miles from Sevastopol. From there, a group of admirals and officers from the Navy General Staff, led by Rear Admiral Vladimir Saakyan, Chief of Staff of the Black Sea Fleet, was to observe missile launches by ships of the Black Sea Fleet. Twenty-seven ships and vessels were stationed near the ship. At 9:58, the "Training and Combat Alert!" signal sounded, and reports were received from unit commanders and service chiefs. At this time, Warrant Officer Shuportyak, stationed at the missile control panel in aft magazine No. 8, followed instructions and ordered the sailors to connect external power, after which he flipped the power supply switches to the "on" position. He then observed a powerful burst of flame on the left drum—the engine of a V-601 anti-aircraft missile had spontaneously ignited.


The V-601 missile on the ZIF-8 launcher

What should the senior officer of the aft anti-aircraft gun crew have done in this situation? Report to the BC-2 anti-aircraft missile battalion commander and activate the missile magazine's sprinkler system. Shuportyak ordered everyone to abandon the PKS, then, shouting, "There's going to be an explosion!" he ran away. They weren't able to find him until two and a half hours later. At 10:01:35, the first explosion occurred—the sustainer engine of one of the missiles ignited. Fifteen to 20 seconds later, a second explosion occurred—the booster engine of the missile ignited. A fire quickly began to spread in the ship's stern. The ship's commander, Captain 2nd Rank Ivan Vinnik, made a mistake: he assumed that a high-pressure air cylinder in the aft engine room had exploded (Shupportyak neglected to inform him of the actual situation), which was then reported to the Black Sea Fleet duty officer.


Captain 3rd rank Ivan Vinnik, at the time of the disaster - captain 2nd rank

The very description of the Otvazhny's service suggests to anyone in the know: damage control issues on the ship were a last resort, with the constant need to polish the ship for the next visit or prepare for the next live-fire exercise to challenge someone. Firefighting drills (a daily event!) were conducted once a week, and training on this topic was conducted at best once a month. Combine this with the young officers newly assigned to the ship and the absence of the regular BC-5 commander (and the fact that the ship's commander, Captain 2nd Rank Vinnik, had been appointed brigade commander and was already mentally assuming completely different duties and responsibilities...), and it becomes clear that all the preconditions for an accident with serious consequences were present.

After the first rocket engine fired, cadets from quarters #4, who were undergoing practical training on the large anti-submarine ship (they hadn't been assigned to combat stations), and sailors from the aft quarters and combat stations began running onto the poop deck. They began to be enveloped in black smoke, and a sound like boulders being thrown came from the bulkhead of the missile magazine. At 10:01:40, a second explosion followed—more powerful than the first (it sent several sailors flying off the poop deck into the water); apparently, the cruise engine of another missile had ignited. The ship's commander and Rear Admiral Saakyan suspected nothing when the signalman reported thick black smoke and flames coming from the stack (they weren't coming from the stack, but from under the covers of missile magazine No. 8, but the signalman on the bridge hadn't seen it). The Chief of Staff of the Black Sea Fleet said something like, "The mechanics are blackening the sky again." He had spent his entire career on steam-powered destroyers and wasn't surprised. The survivability control post (PEZh) was supposed to be in charge of the ship's survivability control, but no one was there, and then the post, located near the missile magazine, was enveloped in smoke.


The aftermath of the missile explosion in Cellar No. 8

Finally, at 10:02:00, unable to withstand such atrocities, the missiles detonated. It was impossible not to notice: the superstructure deck was ripped open like a tin can, the launcher, along with a chunk of deck, rose vertically and landed on the aft stack, and a column of flame erupted from the magazine. As it later turned out, the ship's underwater hull had been breached near the third cabin. Seven sailors and cadets standing on the quarterdeck were thrown overboard, and the engineers, unable to escape the aft engine room, perished. Sailor Vladimir Prochakovsky burned alive, trapped in the fire in the ship's compartment and suffering severe burns. He told his friends, who were trying to pull him out of the trap through the porthole, "Guys, I'm all set, save the ship!" In full view of the entire crew and the approaching ships, sailor Sergei Petrukhin, who had been trapped while trying to escape from the galley porthole, died—the ship had no gas cutting machine. He was given morphine injections by the ship's doctor, Senior Lieutenant Viktor Tsvelovsky.

Captain 2nd Rank Vinnik sounded the combat and emergency alarm and... went down to the command post, which on Project 61 was located in the ship's interior. This was a requirement of the ship's regulations, amended after the sinking of the battleship Novorossiysk, when all the commanding officers were gathered on the ship's deck and no one was at the command post, with obvious consequences for the survivability of the ship. But in this case, having the commander on the bridge would have been more useful—communication with the stern was lost, reports to the command post were not coming in, and from the bridge it was possible to at least roughly understand what was happening on the quarterdeck.


Admiral Vladimir Samoilov, at the time of the disaster, Rear Admiral and Acting Commander of the Black Sea Fleet

Two points are worth mentioning here: first, there were 27 Black Sea Fleet ships and vessels at sea nearby, so there was plenty of help available to the Otvazhny. And second... The fleet's chief of staff, the anti-submarine ship brigade commander, and several other admirals were on these ships. After the explosion was reported, an operations post with technical specialists was set up at Black Sea Fleet headquarters, and the acting commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Rear Admiral Vladimir Samoilov, kept a close eye on the situation. Basically, the information was pouring out like water!

After the explosion, a battle for the ship's survival began. A fire raged in the stern, melting the aluminum-magnesium alloy of the large antisubmarine ship's superstructure. Foam supplies were quickly depleted, and its use was in vain: the weather was windy, with seas running at state 4, so foam could only be used internally. After the explosion, the missile magazine was no longer a closed space, and the foam was blown out. Fire hoses were deployed, and sailors tried to extinguish the fire with jets of water. To no avail: fuel was leaking from damaged tanks, and a film of diesel fuel was constantly burning on the surface of the water. Personnel not involved in the survival battle were lined up on the forecastle, while emergency crews from other ships, the large antisubmarine ships Bedovy and Smetlivy, and the destroyer Soznatelny, began arriving at the stern. Why? Passing from bow to stern was impossible due to the aftermath of the explosion!


Towing the Otvazhny, view from the stern of the Bedovoy

By 11:00, the order was received: "Tow the Otvazhny to Cape Khersones." Three tugboats were approaching the burning ship, but their speed was slower than that of warships, so the destroyer Soznatelny attached a towline to the Otvazhny. However, the large anti-submarine ship Bedovy was moored alongside the stricken ship. It received the order: "Cut the lines and withdraw from the Otvazhny," but the Soznatelny accepted the order and severed the towline. An hour passed while the line was being attached to the Bedovy. The rescue vessel Beshtau approached the scene with a powerful towing machine and a special winch, but the task of towing the Otvazhny by the bow was assigned to a ship considerably less suited to this large anti-submarine ship.

The ship's command was concerned about the possibility of the fire reaching the magazines containing the RBU depth charges, so they were flooded. However... Shortly before setting out to sea, the ship received six aviation depth charges for the onboard Ka-25 and aviation kerosene. This was forgotten in the frantic struggle for survival. The bombs were stored aft, in magazine No. 10, where quartermasters on the Project 61 large anti-submarine ship usually stored their supplies. Because of this, the deck hatch latch on the Otvazhny was "modernized" to prevent its opening from the deck.


The ship was perishing before the eyes of hundreds of people...

The ship perished before the eyes of hundreds of people: the crews of the large anti-submarine ships "Bedovyi," "Smetlivyi," and "Komsomolets Ukrainy," the destroyer "Soznatelny," the rescue vessel "Beshtau," several tugboats, Ka-25 helicopters, and Li-2 aircraft. At 12:55, "Bedovyi" began towing the "Otvazhny." They towed the ship at a speed of 5 knots: the explosion had jammed the large anti-submarine ship's rudder at 35 degrees, so towing quickly risked tearing off the stern. SB-15 was alongside the ship, extinguishing the fire in magazine #8. At 13:20 PM, PDS-123 arrived and began extinguishing the fire in corridor #11. Soon, an order came from the Black Sea Fleet Command Center to begin foam-filling the compartment of magazine No. 9, from frames 215 to 232. The fire was approaching magazine No. 10, which contained depth charges. But the Navy Command's primary concern was ensuring the ship's unsinkability. Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Sergei Gorshkov clearly didn't want to lose his new large anti-submarine ship. Orders to prioritize unsinkability, "everything else later," were repeated approximately every half hour, but story the ship was coming to an end...


PDS-123 is still in service!

At 2:47 PM, an explosion occurred in magazine #10, the stern deck bulged, flames shot up above the mainmast, several sailors died, and the body of Petty Officer 14nd Class Adam Achmiz was thrown onto the rescue vessel (he would be the only one of the Otvazhny's dead to be buried). The list sharply increased to 16 degrees, and the trim by the stern to 20 degrees. The list to starboard increased visibly: at 14:59 PM, it was already 19 degrees, at 15:00 PM, 25 degrees, at 15:02 PM, 26–28 degrees. At 15:10 PM, the lights and power to the instruments went out. At 15:11 PM, the captain gave the command "all hands on deck." This became the last entry in the Otvazhny's logbook. Rear Admiral Saakyan was informed that the ship would sink in half an hour and the crew needed to be rescued. At the same time, the Chief of the Technical Directorate ordered the crew evacuation to begin. At 15:07 PM, the crew began abandoning the Otvazhny.


The "Singing Frigate" is beautiful even in death...

People jumped into the water from a height of 15 meters, and those afraid to jump were pushed off. The crew of the large anti-submarine ship was picked up from the water below by longboats and boats. In total, approximately 220 people jumped, and there were no fatalities while abandoning ship. Meanwhile, the towing of the Otvazhny continued! Fleet command hoped to have time to beach the sinking ship. At 3:20 PM, the fire intensified, and by 3:36 PM, the crew had completely abandoned the large anti-submarine ship, but the list and trim increased. It's worth noting that the Project 61 ships were well designed for stability: the Otvazhny did not capsize, despite a list of 32 degrees! At 3:43 PM, the towing line on the Bedovy was cut. At 3:45 PM, the ship began to rapidly sink by the stern, and at 3:46 PM, it stood upright, submerged up to its hull number. At 3:57:30 PM, the ship sank. Nineteen crew members and five naval academy cadets died in the disaster, and 26 others were burned and injured.


The large anti-submarine ship "Reshitelny" was used to "test" the crew of "Otvazhny" during the investigation.

The Otvazhny's commander, Captain 2nd Rank Vinnik, who was the last to leave the ship, remained convinced even after the ship's demise that the fire was caused by a high-pressure fuel cylinder explosion. This theory was questioned by the Black Sea Fleet's Technical Directorate. An investigation was to determine the precise cause of the ship's demise. Boris Kupensky, the Project 51 large anti-submarine ship's chief designer, who arrived in Sevastopol, told Vinnik, "What an experiment you've performed on me!" A bathyscaphe made several dives to the sunken Otvazhny, finding no ruptured cylinders but carefully recording all the holes and damage. The Otvazhny's crew was placed on a sister ship (the large anti-submarine ship Reshitelny) and tested for their knowledge of their duties, the qualifications of their specialists, and their actions upon the "Combat alert!" signal. Naturally, the inspection revealed that Warrant Officer Shuportyak had been rated zero.


An unknown artist's depiction of the Otvazhny's remains being examined by a bathyscaphe.

In principle, the Otvazhny's sinking, from a submariner's perspective, raises many questions about the crew's survivability training—every mistake that could have been made was made (perhaps I'm being unfair: during a submarine accident, valuable instructions from higher command are not forthcoming; the crew perishes or flees on their own). However, one must take into account the organization of service on a surface ship: there, cleaning, painting, and formations are always given more attention than survival drills. The large anti-submarine ship's crew was relatively well trained, and had Warrant Officer Shuportyak appeared on any other Project 61 ship, the outcome of the survivability battle would likely have been similar, to paraphrase I.V. Stalin. Here, one specific person decided everything. At the same time, the investigation established that the large anti-submarine ship's superstructure, made of aluminum-magnesium alloy, began to burn and melt during the fire. This was the first time that the aluminum-magnesium alloy had performed poorly during a fire. The first, but not the last...
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  1. +21
    2 December 2025 03: 46
    To the author: thanks for the article! And the ship really is beautiful! I'm not a naval officer, to be honest, but I've heard about "singing" large anti-submarine ships for a long time, but I didn't know about this tragedy!
    1. +18
      2 December 2025 04: 46
      He was caught in the city in a state of severe intoxication, taken to a ship, and when his cabin was searched, 30 empty vodka bottles were found under his bunk...
      One drunkard ruined the ship...
      1. +5
        2 December 2025 16: 52
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        One drunkard ruined the ship.

        I apologize, I still don’t understand why “the engine of the B-601 anti-aircraft missile spontaneously turned on.” what
        1. +13
          2 December 2025 18: 33
          Quote: Kotofeich
          Why did the engine of the B-601 anti-aircraft missile spontaneously turn on?

          It's hot on the Black Sea Fleet in the summer. The deck gets so hot you could fry an egg right there on the railings! In the SAM (missile base) magazines, the sprinkler sensors were constantly triggered by the excess temperature, and the missiles were "sprayed" with, of course, seawater. Afterward, they had to be "washed" and wiped clean with an awl. At least the power cable connectors and the like. Well, what Russian would let such moisture pass his mouth? So it turned out that things weren't always "washed and wiped." And to prevent the spraying, they disconnected the sensors or "jammed" (I can't imagine how to do this) the sprinkler system valves. As the water evaporated, the sea salt concentrated, greasing the contacts and reducing the insulation resistance. Shuportyak applied power, and they "sparked," and then an avalanche of pyrotechnics...
          I don't know how true this is, but I personally heard this story in the company of ChoF men, returning from shipboard practice three or four years after the Otvazhny's sinking. Back then, all the cameras were confiscated, and all the albums and letters were combed through to keep the information from spreading. But some things did leak out. Honestly, many felt bewilderment and bitterness. And also anger at Shuportyak! I've remembered that name forever, as a symbol of a coward and traitor who abandoned his BP (his trench!). This is one of the photos from the neighboring corps. A view of the stern... of the Otvazhny... after the explosion of magazine #10.
          1. +2
            3 December 2025 01: 00
            The missiles are similar to the S-200 missiles.
            They use gunpowder accelerators with pyroxylin blocks—well, I think everyone knows about the storage temperature regime. So, most likely, everything they wrote seems to be true—i.e., hoping for the best.
          2. 0
            3 December 2025 01: 40
            A characteristic of all solid-fuel missiles is that their thrust (and therefore the speed achieved in flight) depends on the initial temperature of the solid fuel at launch (this is not the case with liquid-fueled missiles). This effect is well known to many air defense specialists, and is sometimes even used in war: to make a missile fly further/higher (and faster), it must be heated before launch. In the summer, in the heat, even exposing it to direct sunlight is sufficient. This works, but it is very dangerous – failure can occur, resulting in an explosion during launch. Or even before launch...

            There are rumors that Donetsk and Luhansk militias used this method (preliminary heating in the sun) to increase the ceiling and range of their MANPADS missiles and shoot down Ukrainian transport planes and helicopters at altitudes of about 5-5.5 km, although according to the data sheet, the achievable altitude of the Verba MANPADS is only 4.5 km, and that of the Igla MANPADS is only 3.5 km.
  2. +27
    2 December 2025 04: 25
    If you want to swim on a whim, it's better to quit the sea right away!
    The sea does what it wants, the sailor does what he can.
    the most beautiful ship of all times and peoples
    I categorically disagree))) My most beautiful of all times and peoples!!!
    1. +17
      2 December 2025 04: 59
      Quote: Destiny
      My most handsome

      How is mine worse?
      Sailing and motor seal-hunting schooner:
      1. +17
        2 December 2025 06: 07
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Destiny
        My most handsome

        How is mine worse?
        Sailing and motor seal-hunting schooner:

        Mine is more beautiful! Although... and from a different element!
      2. +7
        2 December 2025 08: 53
        "Degaussing"? Finnish-made... "Vyartsilya" I think... If so, I've been there... a lot of "awls" have been implemented on them. winked
        1. +7
          2 December 2025 09: 40
          Quote: sub307
          Finnish construction.

          Wood.... Mast for varnish, GD 300 HP. St. John's hunting industry.
    2. +3
      2 December 2025 09: 47
      Is this definitely a ship and not a boat?
    3. +15
      2 December 2025 11: 13
      Quote: Destiny
      My most handsome of all times and peoples!!!

      Oh, greetings from Kronstadt!!! MPK-192, recently renamed Urengoy, the old man is already 40 years old. But comparing it to the BPK, well, it's so-so)))
      1. +7
        2 December 2025 18: 48
        Quote: Zoer
        The MPK-192, recently renamed Urengoy, is already 40 years old. But compared to the BPK, it's just so-so.

        Besides, the MPK was built in Germany! And its compartment numbers are backwards! Normal NKs have the numbering starting from the stern, while the "German" one has it from the W to the Bow! The first compartment is the tiller compartment, etc. And with a gun, it has 176 and 2x2 side TAs with "anti-water" SET 53-65, I think. RBU is for noise, not for hitting submarines, probability = 0,16%... So, as Mina said, we probably didn't have anything better than the 971M, before the advent of Yasen and Borik... Although now 22350 is a handsome man in a tailcoat! And her weapons - they would make the Yankees' jaws clench with envy!! bully
        1. +3
          3 December 2025 09: 54
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          And the weapons - the Yankees' jaws clench with envy!!

          For example?
        2. +3
          3 December 2025 10: 01
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          And besides, the MPC was built in Germany! And its compartment numbers are backwards! A normal NK has compartments that extend aft, while the "German" one has compartments that extend forwards! The first compartment is the tiller compartment, etc.

          To hell with compartment numbers. How can they repair it without documentation for this project? The engineers at KMZ (Kronstadt Marine Plant) can't even comment on it without swearing. The same goes for the Project 775 landing ships and other old ships built in Warsaw Pact countries.
  3. +12
    2 December 2025 06: 29
    I'd suggest the author, since he writes about the sea and does so very well, to write about the Soviet submarine that ran aground in Swedish waters, if possible. It's an interesting perspective, and the story itself is fascinating.
    1. +7
      2 December 2025 07: 15
      By the way, the Swedes made a comedy on this topic, based on it, without much Russophobia, but with a twist, where would we be without it... "Whiskey on the Rocks" smile
  4. +7
    2 December 2025 06: 30
    The most beautiful in the world in terms of naval architecture and aesthetics are all the post-war surface ships of the Soviet Navy, especially the first-rank ships. But, in my opinion, the most beautiful of the most beautiful were the Soviet Project 68-bis light cruisers. Regarding Midshipman Shuportyak, some sources list his name as Midshipman Shapovaliuk, not Shuportyak.
    1. +7
      2 December 2025 08: 21
      Good morning! I've seen it spelled Stuportyak, but most sources say Shuportyak.
      1. +7
        2 December 2025 11: 16
        Quote: Georgy Tomin
        I have seen it spelled Stuportyak, but most sources still say Shuportyak.

        Good morning! And yet, STUPOR-tyak... is more appropriate in context.
        Thanks for the interesting article! hi
        1. +6
          2 December 2025 11: 45
          The surname Stuportyak is completely absent from Ukraine. As of 2017, there were 29 Shuportyak names.
    2. +4
      2 December 2025 12: 09
      Yeah, the Oktyabrskaya Revolyutsiya was especially "beautiful." Every solution was a mistake. And even at the base, something was always happening. I remember it like it was yesterday, we were standing at a uniform inspection, and the duty officer on duty came flying in and yelled, "The OR is sinking!" We were like, "But it's moored in Kronstadt, in the Marine Plant harbor?! That's where it's sinking. It didn't sink completely, of course; there were about two meters under the keel. But that was, I think, the last straw.
      1. +3
        2 December 2025 15: 47
        Quote: Roman_VH
        I remember it like it was yesterday, we were standing at a uniform inspection, and the duty officer from the unit flies in and yells, "The OR is sinking!!!!" We're like, "But she's docked in the Kronstadt Marine Plant harbor?! That's where she's sinking. She didn't sink completely, of course; there were about two meters under the keel. But that was, I think, the last straw.

        Oil painting: "October Revolution" is sinking.
        I immediately remembered the saying of an Austrian artist and vegan:
        I don't want to be told one day that "Germany" is lost.
  5. +19
    2 December 2025 07: 11
    The role of the ship's senior mate is not fully explained, yet he is responsible for all training and exercises on board. The chief of discipline and service on board is the first mate, a rule even in the civilian navy. Typically, after being appointed, the first mate prepares to become a captain or commander, as in the military navy. And one of the characteristics is the training of his crew. A weak-willed, spineless officer will never be appointed first mate. The political officer also played a significant role on a military ship at that time. He, too, is not mentioned at all. Warrant officers on such ships had their own room, the wardroom, for meals. There, the senior warrant officer monitors the condition of the warrant officer's crew, whether they are drunk or hungover, and whether they are healthy. He then reports to the commanding officer. This is why chaos and laxity lead to such tragic results.
    1. +12
      2 December 2025 08: 23
      The first mate didn't have time to pass his clearance, so his role in the incident was minor, but, of course, he played a role in the fight for survivability; it was he who the commander sent on reconnaissance after the explosion of missile magazine No. 8...
      1. 0
        3 December 2025 02: 25
        Quote: Georgy Tomin
        The first mate did not have time to pass the clearance, so his role in the incident was small, but, of course, he took part in the fight for survivability,

        According to the logbook schedule, the first mate is the one responsible for ensuring the ship's survivability, whether it passes or fails the clearance. The difference will be in the timeframe—provided or actual...

        The assumption that the ship's commander chose the wrong location during the combat safety check, that is, his presence at the main control center was erroneous, is questionable: the commander's place is not at the scene of the accident, but in the control center... The main control center should receive all information on the ship, and for this, in addition to communication means, there are reserve and backup means, special messengers, including from other control centers... Having not received a report on the state of certain compartments, they were obliged to send scouts from neighboring compartments and control centers there, this is the alpha and omega of the combat safety... The fact that the commander sent the first mate to reconnoiter the situation suggests that he was confident in the competence of the special purpose vehicle and its ability to assess the scale of the emergency and take measures on the spot... but apparently he was mistaken... There were many contradictory statements during the debriefings of this catastrophe, but one thing was stated unequivocally: the ship was destroyed by its crew, all the design flaws, including those of the materials (AMG alloys, etc.) - in themselves did not lead to the disaster...
        The ship is beautiful, it was a real pity...
        Unfortunately, the crew was not fully prepared for the life support mission, neither the ship's command nor the personnel, for which they paid the price...
    2. +9
      2 December 2025 08: 39
      That is why chaos and sloppiness lead to such sad results.
      That's exactly it, or rather, a lack of discipline. After reading the article, I wasn't even surprised (even though I served my mandatory military service almost 20 years after the events described in the article); nothing had changed in the navy.
      The most memorable event was when our ship, while at base, nearly sank right at the pier. A stroke of luck saved us from destruction: while the ship was at the pier, seawater began to flow into compartments inaccessible to the survivability patrol (a pipeline rupture). At the same time, a sailor from our crew was being transferred to another ship, and it was necessary to retrieve his belongings from the compartment. When we opened the door, we found water up to the threshold.
      1. +10
        2 December 2025 08: 57
        Quote: Gomunkul
        After reading the article, I wasn’t even surprised (even though I served my military service almost 20 years after the event described in the article); nothing had changed in the navy.

        Changed...,for the worse, because he himself served from 1974 to 1993. winked
        1. +10
          2 December 2025 09: 03
          It has changed... for the worse, because I myself served from 1974 to 1993.
          The army and navy cannot exist separately from the state; if there is chaos in the country, then the army is also afflicted with the same disease. hi
          1. +3
            2 December 2025 09: 04
            That is what I had in mind ... hi
          2. +2
            2 December 2025 11: 18
            Quote: Gomunkul
            If there is chaos in the country, then the army is also affected by the same disease.

            Moreover, in a more exaggerated expression.
          3. +3
            3 December 2025 02: 28
            Quote: Gomunkul
            If there is chaos in the country, then the army is also afflicted with the same disease.

            Even more so... the army concentrates the picture of the country, and if there is illness in the country, then in the army there is a catastrophe...
        2. +12
          2 December 2025 09: 58
          my friend served on the BOD in the 90s
          Their main occupation wasn't survivability training or any kind of service, but constant fights between crew members. How such a "team" would fight for survivability is beyond me.
      2. +8
        2 December 2025 12: 37
        And... We had this happen, we did! One sailor decided to drain the room. He turned on the necessary valves, started the ejector, and ran off about his business. Another sailor, unaware of the first's intentions, shut off the fire main that supplied power to the ejector. The check valve failed, and the crew was taken away for an evening (formation) walk. Long story short, when it was discovered that instead of draining, the water was flooding, enough water had accumulated to raise the alarm.
    3. +1
      3 December 2025 02: 09
      Quote: V.
      The role of the ship's senior mate is not disclosed, yet he is responsible for all training and exercises on the ship. The chief mate is the one in charge of discipline and service on the ship, as is the rule in the civilian navy.

      And here the role of the first mate is revealed... in a good way he should have been put on trial, in a bad way he should have shot himself...
      I heard that by that time, due to the constant howling from political agencies that they were "tormenting the crews with their training" and had stopped tacitly considering the BZ mandatory to be practiced 5 times a week...
  6. +4
    2 December 2025 07: 55
    The ship is beautiful, but I prefer the silhouettes of Marshal Ustinov, Varyag, and Moskva. The Italians also have beautiful silhouettes of warships.
    1. +5
      2 December 2025 08: 24
      The Italian school of shipbuilding had a strong influence on our domestic school, so yes.
      1. 0
        4 December 2025 03: 27
        A bad school, alas. And it also backfired on the macaroni-makers in the Mediterranean. Yes, the Italian battleships and cruisers were emphatically beautiful. But the most important thing for any military machine is its functionality, not its outward beauty or aesthetics.
  7. +6
    2 December 2025 08: 10
    So who was found guilty of the accident and punished?

    The commander, who failed to discharge the midshipman and failed to provide survivability training, bore a share of the blame for this.
    1. +9
      2 December 2025 08: 26
      The commander is always responsible for everything that happens on board the ship. However, no one was punished for the sinking of the "Otvazhny": Brezhnev asked Gorshkov not to be too harsh...
      1. +3
        2 December 2025 08: 42
        Quote: Georgy Tomin
        However, no one was punished for the death of the Otvazhny: Brezhnev asked Gorshkov not to be angry

        What nonsense - they died 25 young men, a ship and nothing... Where is the law? What does Brezhnev have to do with this?.....
        1. +5
          2 December 2025 13: 09
          What law, when Brezhnev asked for it? The fact remains that everyone involved continued serving. Well, maybe except for Shuportyak, whose tracks are lost...
          1. 0
            2 December 2025 21: 30
            And they didn't just continue, they achieved considerable heights. V. Samoilov later became an admiral and commanded the Leningrad Naval Base.
          2. 0
            2 December 2025 23: 12
            Well, I don't think Leonid Ilyich asked Gorshkov to calm his anger; perhaps Sergei Georgievich himself wasn't particularly interested in waving his saber! After all, it all happened before the eyes of the admiral's audience, and in the presence of dozens of warships, so it would be better to draw conclusions quickly and forget about the incident as quickly as possible! So as not to tarnish the combat and valiant career of the Soviet Navy!
          3. +2
            3 December 2025 02: 38
            Quote: Georgy Tomin
            What law, when Brezhnev asked for it? The fact remains that everyone involved continued serving.

            But that's not true... Brezhnev of that period isn't the kindly old man Mazai... the organizational conclusions were discussed at the Politburo, and Gorshkov took a serious beating, but... the ship was perishing before the eyes of the entire naval command; almost all the admirals, to put it mildly, had soiled themselves up to their ears with their incompetence and inability to organize emergency rescue operations, so the choice was either to fire everyone to hell or to leave no one in particular; an accident is a serious but necessary component of operating any equipment. "The dead cannot be brought back, and someone has to serve; if all the guilty are punished, who will remain to serve?" - that's roughly how the discussion at the Politburo ended...
            1. +3
              3 December 2025 13: 23
              almost all the admirals, to put it mildly, have soiled themselves up to their ears with their stupidity and inability to organize emergency rescue operations,

              Black Sea admirals are not a rank, but a diagnosis. Alas, it has been confirmed many times.
              1. 0
                3 December 2025 13: 37
                Quote: Amateur
                almost all the admirals, to put it mildly, have soiled themselves up to their ears with their stupidity and inability to organize emergency rescue operations,

                Black Sea admirals are not a rank, but a diagnosis. Alas, it has been confirmed many times.

                Not a service, but a resort
          4. 0
            4 December 2025 03: 29
            The commander was demoted from captain two to captain three.
  8. +5
    2 December 2025 08: 31
    A fatal flaw, as it turned out, was the location of the ammunition magazines above the waterline—in the event of a fire, they could not be flooded. Furthermore, the magazines for anti-aircraft missiles, aircraft, artillery, depth charges, and aviation kerosene were adjacent, not separated by cofferdams, and located close to the engine room. The ship's superstructure, funnels, and masts were made of aluminum-magnesium alloy. Overall, there were questions about the ship's survivability, although not fundamental ones.

    This is called weapons overload. A traditional problem with domestic military shipbuilding. Alas!
    1. +4
      2 December 2025 11: 21
      Quote: Grossvater
      This is called weapons overload.

      Have you tried to compare them with Arleigh-Burkes using this parameter?
      1. 0
        2 December 2025 12: 06
        The Berkovs aren't overloaded with weapons thanks to the proper selection of weapons, the organization of their placement, and their large displacement. And their survivability is quite good—300 kg of explosives exploded under their side, and they remained afloat.
        1. +7
          2 December 2025 13: 27
          Quote from solar
          The Berkovs are not overloaded with weapons due to the correct selection of weapons, the organization of their placement, and their large displacement.

          What are you talking about! Were you trying to compare the Burke and the BPK PR61 based on the number of weapons they carried?
          ArleBurke – displacement 6,6 tons. Armament: 8 Harpoon anti-ship missiles, 96 Mk41 launcher cells (missiles from Tomahawks to various types of SAMs), 8 RUM-139 ASROCK missiles. We don't count small items like light torpedoes and artillery.
          Project 61 large anti-submarine ship - displacement 3,5 tons. Armament: 4 P-15 Termit anti-ship missiles, 32 V-601 SAMs, 5 533 mm torpedoes. Small items like artillery and RBU are not included.
          Somehow our BPK looks more modest, even in terms of specific parameters.
          Quote from solar
          And its survivability is quite normal - 300 kg exploded under the side, and it remained afloat.

          It's not about the ships. The Americans simply didn't have Midshipman Shtoportuk on board. Ours, too, stayed afloat for a long time, despite a complete lack of proper survivability measures. Well, an explosion alongside and an explosion in the ammunition magazine are two entirely different things.
          1. 0
            3 December 2025 10: 40
            4 P-15 Termit anti-ship missiles were installed on the Project 61M large anti-ship missile system, and the Otvazhny was a pure Project 61 missile system.
          2. 0
            5 December 2025 12: 16
            Arly burke

            Series II destroyers
            6907 metric tons (standard)
            9073 tons (full)
            IIA series destroyers
            7061 metric tons (standard)
            9648 tons (full)

            p 061
            3550 t (standard)
            4510 t (full)

            And it’s not just about displacement, but first and foremost about the fact that
            A fatal flaw, as it turned out, was the location of the ammunition magazines above the waterline—in the event of a fire, they could not be flooded. Furthermore, the magazines for anti-aircraft missiles, aircraft, artillery, depth charges, and aviation kerosene were adjacent, not separated by cofferdams, and located close to the engine room.

            The Americans simply didn't have Midshipman Shtoportuk on board.

            They have plenty of their own "midshipmen," too. Like with the frigate Stark, for example. But the ship remained afloat.
            1. 0
              5 December 2025 12: 53
              Quote from solar
              They have plenty of their own "midshipmen," too. Like with the frigate Stark, for example. But the ship remained afloat.

              No, it was an Iraqi pilot who fired an anti-ship missile at Stark. But the Americans' survivability training and drills WERE top-notch back then, which is why the frigate didn't sink. Had the Otvazhny's crew acted intelligently from the start, it most likely wouldn't have sunk either.
              1. 0
                5 December 2025 13: 26
                No, there was an Iraqi pilot who fired an anti-ship missile at Stark.

                The Americans had the opportunity to repel the attack with either Phalanxes or decoys, but they didn't use either. They had their own midshipmen.

                But the Americans' survivability training and drill were at the highest level at that time, which is why the frigate did not sink.

                The ship listed, and they filled the hold with water while putting out the fire. But the ship's good design saved the situation.
                Two anti-ship missiles hit the frigate's side, but it remained afloat. Just recently, two similar missiles were enough to sink a cruiser. :((
                1. 0
                  5 December 2025 14: 24
                  Quote from solar
                  The Americans had the opportunity to repel the attack with either Phalanxes or decoys, but they didn't use either. They had their own midshipmen.

                  This is just idle speculation. Hypothetically, of course, they could have. But when an attack from a friendly aircraft in friendly waters was completely unexpected...
                  Quote from solar
                  Let me remind you that just recently two similar missiles were enough to sink a cruiser. :((

                  Where did you get this information? About two of them, and about the missiles? Some believe there were several BEKs there... And we know NOTHING about how the survivability control was organized.
                  So, I suggest you don’t read tea leaves.
                  1. 0
                    7 December 2025 01: 33
                    This is just idle speculation. Hypothetically, of course, they could have. But when an attack from a friendly aircraft in friendly waters was completely unexpected...

                    It's the ship's commander's problem. Just like with Sheffield.
                    Where did you get this information?

                    From publicly available sources, where else? I've seen statements about this and no official denials, which leads me to a logical conclusion.
                    1. 0
                      7 December 2025 13: 58
                      Quote from solar
                      from publicly available sources, where else?

                      Sure, word of mouth. Or, "OBS" - one woman said.
                      1. 0
                        7 December 2025 17: 47
                        Which old woman in which sarafan told you this? There was a statement from Ukrainian officials about this, but there was no official denial from Russia.
                        But this
                        There is an opinion that there were several BEKs there... And we know NOTHING at all about how the struggle for survivability was organized there.

                        this is just at the level
                        Sure, word of mouth. Or, "OBS" - one woman said.
                      2. 0
                        7 December 2025 22: 12
                        Quote from solar
                        There was a statement from Ukrainian officials

                        It's all clear, it's even worse than I imagined. Just imagine, taking Ukrainian statements seriously, and then expecting our agencies to comment on the matter. fool
                      3. 0
                        8 December 2025 00: 35
                        You have to take Ukrainian statements seriously...

                        The fact that the cruiser sank - is that also not to be taken seriously? :((
                      4. 0
                        8 December 2025 09: 42
                        Quote from solar
                        Shouldn't the fact that the cruiser sank be taken seriously either?

                        And only the Ukrainians stated this? belay
                        You are burying yourself more and more. stop
                      5. 0
                        8 December 2025 09: 44
                        You have a strange habit of distorting the words of your interlocutor.
                        And only the Ukrainians stated this?

                        Did I write that?
                        hi
                      6. 0
                        8 December 2025 09: 46
                        Quote from solar
                        Did I write that?

                        You wrote this-
                        Quote from solar
                        The fact that the cruiser sank - is that also not to be taken seriously? :((

                        You wrote this in response to my remark that only the Ukrainians claimed to have fired TWO missiles at the cruiser. Are you completely trying to play dumb? That's not a good position to take in a dialogue.
                        Best wishes!!! hi
                      7. 0
                        8 December 2025 18: 34
                        Have you really decided to play the fool?

                        I think you're playing the fool. There were statements from Ukrainian officials, and no one on our side has officially refuted them. And now you've started citing arguments based on the OSCE and word of mouth. And now you've decided to just jump out.
                      8. 0
                        8 December 2025 21: 25
                        Quote from solar
                        On the Ukrainian side, there were statements from officials,

                        Well, keep listening to the Ukrainians. But only idiots will react to their nonsense. fool
                      9. 0
                        8 December 2025 21: 44
                        I'm a clear-headed person, and that's fine with me. That's why in life, and not just in politics but in life in general, I try to listen to all sides of a situation and only then draw conclusions.
                        hi
                      10. 0
                        8 December 2025 22: 01
                        Quote from solar
                        I'm a clear-headed person, and that's fine with me. That's why in life, and not just in politics, but in life in general, I try to listen to all sides.

                        Hmm, would people have listened to Goebbels 80-90 years ago?
                      11. 0
                        8 December 2025 22: 41
                        You're twisting things. Listening to Goebbels and believing Goebbels are two different things.
                        P.S. Are you sure that the Soviet Information Bureau at that time was telling the pure truth and nothing but the truth?
                      12. 0
                        9 December 2025 08: 41
                        Quote from solar
                        You're twisting things. Listening to Goebbels and believing Goebbels are two different things.

                        No, you're just squirming... I personally don't listen to people who have nothing to say but hostile lies and propaganda. You listen, and even accept it at face value when everyone else simply ignores it. L-Logic, yeah. fool
                        Quote from solar
                        P.S. Are you sure that the Soviet Information Bureau at that time was telling the pure truth and nothing but the truth?

                        I'm sure. Everything they said is true, of course. Of course, they didn't say everything, for obvious reasons. And for such questions back then, specially trained people would have come after you. And they would have done the right thing. And now, frankly, your position raises a lot of questions.
  9. 0
    2 December 2025 08: 35
    Quote: north 2
    But, in my opinion, the most beautiful of the most beautiful were the Soviet light cruisers of Project 68-bis.

    I agree with you! And they're not overloaded with weapons.
    1. +3
      2 December 2025 11: 28
      Quote: Grossvater
      I agree with you! And they're not overloaded with weapons.

      laughing laughing An artillery ship certainly can't be overloaded with weapons. Zero missiles, zero depth charges, and even the torpedoes and torpedo tubes were removed later. Just artillery and mines. What a beauty for the second half of the 20th century, for sure.
  10. +11
    2 December 2025 08: 58
    Congratulations. You've just read a summary of Boris Karzhavin's 1994 book "The Death of the Brave."
    1. +5
      2 December 2025 09: 26
      The book is certainly more informative. And the author of the article blamed everything on the midshipman—a Bandar-log, failing to see any fault in the ship's commander and first mate, and therefore, the brigade commander.
      1. +2
        2 December 2025 13: 14
        Well, let's say I read not only Karzhavin, but also him, of course. As for the culpability of the commander, the brigade commander, and others, maybe we should start with the General Secretary, the Minister of Defense, and the Commander-in-Chief? The system there is... a bit peculiar, and very "relaxed." In the country as a whole and in the Navy in particular.
        1. -2
          2 December 2025 14: 26
          The brigade commander is responsible for the ship's commander if he or she is unfit for the job. Accordingly, the commander is also responsible for the first mate.
      2. +1
        2 December 2025 19: 17
        Quote: TermNachTER
        the author of the article blamed everything on the midshipman - a Bandarlog,

        Nikolai! A good "midshipman" – a technician or a senior petty officer – is worth his weight in gold! No kidding! I'm talking about top-class specialists, masters of their specialty (and not just "military affairs" in general!), who, with their eyes closed (in the dark), fulfill all the standards according to the schedule with flying colors. I'm talking about them – WARDENS!
        And Shuportyak is a truck driver, a warrant officer (!) from the GSVG... He wasn't even certified for the rank of "midshipman": he was "assigned" by personnel and sent to a ship, since there was an eternal shortage of midshipmen...
        SHU PORT YAK is a personnel error that became a crime! And a catastrophe that took the lives of 29 sailors... Did anyone in HR hold this accountable? And they can't fire anyone: the staffing level is... CRAP!! am
        1. +1
          2 December 2025 21: 24
          I don't deny the value of experienced (competent) warrant officers, but blaming everything on one dumb idiot isn't worth it. There were several others above him.
          1. 0
            4 December 2025 07: 51
            Quote: TermNachTER
            There were several more felt boots standing above him.

            No-o-o-... There were already boots and shoes above him... And he himself was not a "valenki", but a boot! A real one!!! am
            1. 0
              4 December 2025 12: 03
              I appreciate your humor))) but blaming the ship's destruction on one stupid midshipman isn't right. This midshipman studied somewhere, passed tests, and received a document confirming his qualifications. He passed tests on the ship to qualify for independent duty and passed assessments. And all these papers have someone's signature on them. Those are the culprits, and the midshipman—a baboons—is the last on that list.
              1. 0
                4 December 2025 14: 14
                Quote: TermNachTER
                This midshipman studied somewhere - passed tests, received a document confirming his qualifications.

                That's possible. I haven't seen this warrant officer's personal file. But the fact that he served in the GSVG (not everyone was sent there, and warrant officers were sent exclusively through connections!), and then ended up in the Black Sea Fleet (Royal Navy), was a heavy drinker (!), and even the Deputy for Political Affairs couldn't fire him (!!!) suggests to me that he had a very "shaggy hand" keeping him in the service... And probably in Personnel. Why the CEP didn't listen to the Deputy is a whole other story... But apparently he really wanted to become a brigade commander (which is perfectly normal) and move up the ladder, to "spider."
                Maybe I'm wrong. But 29 lost lives can't be brought back... And who was held accountable for them!? am
                1. 0
                  4 December 2025 14: 54
                  He could have served his mandatory military service in the Western Group of Forces and graduated from warrant officer school there. And who re-certified him as a midshipman? So the political officer couldn't devour some "piece"? I don't believe it. He could have at least signed off from the ship. So, there are far more mysteries than answers.
  11. +1
    2 December 2025 12: 32
    The fight for survivability was supposed to be led from the PES (energy and survivability post), but there was no one there
    Wasn't there even a guard there?
    Regarding the BZZh. In two years of service, I never had to "burn" once. On our Kirov, even officers never "burned" on the UTK; apparently, all the fuel was already gone. Only the IP was activated in combat mode, with the RP launched.
  12. +1
    2 December 2025 12: 46
    Quote: Zoer
    Quote: Grossvater
    I agree with you! And they're not overloaded with weapons.

    laughing laughing An artillery ship certainly can't be overloaded with weapons. Zero missiles, zero depth charges, and even the torpedoes and torpedo tubes were removed later. Just artillery and mines. What a beauty for the second half of the 20th century, for sure.

    It's entirely possible. There are plenty of examples:
    Sevastopol, Hispania, practically all the French battleships of WWI, Köln & Co., Tomozuru, the "Sevens" and "Seven-Us," not to mention the Elswicks of all stripes. Incidentally, the original Project 68. Compare the displacement of the 68 and 68 bis.
  13. +2
    2 December 2025 18: 27
    In short, the input was pouring out like water from a horn of plenty!
    I'd kill him... It's bad enough, and now these guys are messing around. We need to pass a law: "Open your mouth and you're in charge." And the consequences will be yours.
    Here one specific shot decided everything.
    I don't think so. Now, if he had started the fire... As it is, his only fault is that he didn't report what was happening and didn't turn on the sprinkler system. But the others didn't do that either. And I don't think the sprinkler system would have helped: a missile is a serious thing. Sheffield burned down from something even smaller, even though they were fighting for survivability.
  14. +1
    2 December 2025 20: 50
    What do you mean, as Mina said, we probably didn't have anything better than the 971M before Yasen and Borik came along...

    Mil, pardon me, but did this giant of naval thought say which ships of Project 971 had the letter M?
    According to my information, only one ship, the K-328 Leopard, is being modernized under Project 971M. This ship is still undergoing mooring trials.
  15. +1
    3 December 2025 00: 22
    All ships with aluminum superstructures can be considered disposable. They're good for parades and courtesy visits. Even a missile hit, even without a warhead, would result in the destruction of a ship. And this rule continued in subsequent years...
    1. +1
      3 December 2025 00: 43
      Yes, many of them burned down, now they have abandoned aluminum in favor of composites, they are less flammable...
      1. 0
        3 December 2025 13: 45
        Refused. Yeah.
        https://versia.ru/novejshij-korvet-provornyj-stoimostyu-30-milliardov-rublej-sgorel-ne-prosto-tak?ysclid=mipvqrj88d783475000
  16. +1
    3 December 2025 02: 01
    Quote: north 2
    The most beautiful of the most beautiful were the Soviet light cruisers of Project 68-bis

    This is a handsome man among handsome men. winked
    And its deck was wooden, the planks were simply of lethal thickness... The cruiser "Murmansk" was also the fastest... but not exactly....
  17. 0
    3 December 2025 10: 43
    The Baltic Fleet had two large anti-submarine ships: the Slavny (Project 61M) and the Obraztsovy (Project 61). My father served as a midshipman on both. Beautiful ships...
  18. 0
    4 December 2025 15: 25
    Indeed, the superstructure's AMG also subsequently burned, for example, on the Sheffield, which was attacked by an Argentine Exocet missile. The result of the fire was the same as on the Otvazhny.