The music didn't play for long, it didn't sparkle in the sky for long

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The music didn't play for long, it didn't sparkle in the sky for long

Yes, it probably smells like Petrov, Boshirov, Bond, Hunt, and Bourne. All at once. It's complex, long, and murky. It makes you want to throw down your cigar and say in Watson's voice: "Confused." story! ».

In fact, we are now going to turn history around like the Ukrainian Lancet танкThere is nothing complicated, but what a coincidence!



This is exactly what it took: for it to be shown publicly for the first time, at an international exhibition, and with a disaster at that...




I'd even like to ask the guys at Dassault a little: how are you? What's up with the faces? However, they're only to blame for a quarter of the situation; the rest is still the fault of others.

These days, many people online are expressing sympathy for our "Indian friends." Granted, the Indian gentlemen are not exactly friends. A couple of such friends, and you might as well have no enemies. Proof? Easy. Just remember the story of the Su-30MKI. Yes, Sukhoi was practically saved by this order and the Indian money, but under what conditions? And don't even mention that some Indian defense industry moguls are already openly saying that "the Su-30MKI is an Indian aircraft." We did it ourselves, they say.

Yes, of course, they can assemble things according to the diagram and hammer rivets into the right places—that's what they can do, I agree. But the engine... And much more...


But we're not talking about the Su-30MKI now; we're talking about a different aircraft. The gleaming Tejas.


About an aircraft that they began to build back in 1983. And for what purpose? To replace our MiG-21. Yes, the Indian military was looking at the MiG-29 back then, but they stubbornly and quietly tried to create their own. Behind the backs of the then-Soviet structures, they began to dance about their own aircraft, so that when they had to say goodbye to the MiG-21 due to mental and physical fatigue, they would have their own toy, and there would be no need to befriend the Russians.

It all makes sense, but here's the problem: they bet on the wrong card. On the French one. No, we won't blame the founders. aviation The problem is that they've forgotten how to make combat aircraft. They haven't forgotten how. Mirages have been perfectly worthy opponents for any aircraft for the last 50 years, starting with the Mirage 5.

It's difficult to pinpoint exactly why the Indian military was unhappy with its friendship with Soviet aircraft manufacturers, but the fact remains: the Indians decided to go it alone. Although, as in independent... SNECMA and Dassault, in the Tejas project, seem to be hinting that the end result will be something tailless and mirage-like. Simply because Dassault doesn't know any better.

And in any case, in any scenario, the result was something between the Swedish Gripen and the French Mirage 2000.


However, everything went wrong from the very beginning. The partners at SNECMA demanded such a price for the engines that the Indians flinched for the first, but not the last, time. The second pitch from the French looked like "nothing for you, not licensed production."

So, the Indians were stunned and slowly started dancing away from the French. Like, "We can handle this ourselves, we're strong, we can do it."

But the Tejas project, little by little, set one developmental longevity record after another, and ultimately, perhaps, took first place in the world. Although Hindustan Aeronautics Limited brought the project to production, it's worth remembering that 42 years elapsed between the start of work and its acceptance into service.

The engine proved a sore point. The French demanded an exorbitant price for production of the SNECMA M53-P2 engine in India, and the Indians simply backed away. The situation was quite peculiar: the Indian military was prepared to spend tens and hundreds of crores of rupees (a crore is 10 million Indian rupees, or 9,5 million rubles) on producing its aircraft, but they were clearly loath to spend money on an engine.

So, having been burned by the SNECMA M53-P2, the Indian military decided to turn its attention to the American General Electric F404-GE-F2J3. This same series was distinguished by its simplicity, affordability, and the manufacturers' willingness to sell the engine to anyone.

The Americans sold the F404, but the problem was, it turned out the Tejas engine was, to put it mildly, too heavy. The domestically produced GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri engine, as you can imagine, has also been in a state of protracted development since 1989, with no real chance of entering mass production. So, Tejas was reoriented toward Rolls-Royce.

In general, the aircraft is experiencing gigantic problems, but despite them, Indian aircraft manufacturers heroically assemble 1–2 aircraft per year.

Considering that the Indian Air Force has ordered 125 fighters, this doesn't seem funny at all. And the fact that the Russian-Indian supersonic cruise missile was designed specifically for the Tejas Rocket BraMos-NG—and it's just sad. Sad because our design engineers are wasting their time creating a missile for an aircraft whose combat capabilities are highly questionable.

For my part, I would note that it is absolutely true that Indians are successful exclusively in those projects that they implement... More precisely, those that the Russians implement for them.




Meanwhile, following the latest Indo-Pakistani conflict, the entire Asian region's attention to the BraMos missile has been heightened. And if India begins selling not only Su-30MKIs, for which the first contract has already been signed, but also cruise missiles to the entire region, this will primarily benefit India.

And there is something to think about in New Delhi.

But what happened in Dubai requires even more careful consideration. It's safe to say that the Tejas crashed on takeoff. In fact, that program most likely showed that the Indian fighter had learned to fly, but it was far from perfect. Optimists might, of course, argue that one disaster isn't everything, but there was plenty to think about even without the Dubai incident.

Although the West is already launching a full-blown information campaign, as there's a certain understanding of what happened. Over there, they seriously believe that "everything is not just a coincidence," and the downing of the Tejas and the subsequent disappointment could well accelerate the Indian military's plans for the Su-57.

It's clear that not everything is smooth sailing within India's military establishment either: there are those who favor the Tejas, those who prefer the Rafale (or rather, the payments to Dassault for its purchase), and those who favor Russian technology. And all these groups are at odds with each other, since the money involved is enormous, and in a thoroughly corrupt India, it doesn't bother anyone at all.

"Tejas" is just a battleground for Dassault and Sukhoi, nothing more. You'll say now: what does Sukhoi have to do with this? None whatsoever, that's the point. Sukhoi did everything it could with the Su-30MKI, and it's the aircraft that flies, isn't shot down by Pakistani missiles in such terrifying numbers as the Rafale, terrorizes Pakistani airfields with BrahMos (which also aren't shot down)... Basically, it behaves the way a Russian aircraft should. weapon.

What's going on with Dassault? Everything's fine too.


For 42 (forty-two!!!) years, they've been "helping" the Indians create their own aircraft. The Indian military's desire to be independent is understandable. These are good aspirations, the only problem is that to achieve them, you need a design and engineering school. But the Indians (unlike the Chinese) are completely miserable and sad about this. They are completely incapable of developing anything of their own, and all they can do is copy and modify what's already been created.

That is, today India is on the same path that China took 20 years ago.

The French, fully aware of this, simply staged a forty-year show where something constantly went wrong. And while the Indians were trying to make the Tejas, the guys from Dassault were quietly selling them the Mirage 5, then the Mirage 2000, and now the Rafale.


It makes sense, but why would the French lose such a lucrative market? I can just imagine their pillows getting wet from dreaming about India ordering Rafales in the same quantities it assembles Su-30MKIs. And it's nothing personal; France is fighting for its billions. It's all good; it's the market.

If we look at things realistically, the Tejas was already obsolete at the design stage, and everything that's happening to this aircraft isn't a good thing. It's comparable to a certain automaker's Niva SUV: they slapped on plastic, added lipstick, and it'll supposedly last a while. But at its core, it's still the same old 70s aircraft, an absolute throwback by today's standards.


I don’t know if VAZ specialists consulted with HAL specialists, but it looks identical.

And here we must remember why the Indians were so furiously trying to get the Tejas to fly properly. Because they needed to replace the decommissioned and disabled MiG-21 Bisons, which they did decommission (it's hard to say how hastily they did it), they removed them, and what was in their place?


And in return, nothing. Tejas still isn't ready (and that's after 42 years of hype), and Indo-stealth is slipping into the next century at this rate, so there really aren't any options if we're talking about a step forward.

What's a step forward? Anything but the Tejas. Even the Rafale and Su-30MKI2 are still there, but what's ahead is newer, more advanced aircraft. And you know the choice... Chinese products are currently unavailable to India for certain political reasons. The remaining options are... yes, the F-35, Su-35SE, and Su-57E.


The fact that UAC and HAL representatives have been discussing plans to establish an assembly line for the past few months is a matter of how thoroughly and seriously. Perhaps, after the Tejas's disastrous demonstration, those in the Indian military that advocate cooperation with Russia will gain a certain advantage. Especially since one of India's key requirements has been met: an engine capable of supersonic flight without afterburners. This means fuel efficiency and reduced thermal signature. This variant even has its own name: Su-57D, meaning two-seater. A two-crew is also one of India's essential requirements.

It should be noted that the two-seat Su-57 is a much more realistic option than the Su-35 or F-35, which were initially developed without the prospect of becoming two-seat aircraft.

Many understand this, especially in countries that want Indian money. That's France and the US. And the French are clearly leading the race.

The Americans (let's start with the laggards) simply promised to disrupt the delivery of 57s to India. It's clear they simply won't be able to assemble Penguins for India anytime soon, and deliveries of already paid F-35s are falling behind schedule. Pushing through such a contract for India would mean either handing out a lot of bribes or paying a lot of fines later, although in the fight against Russia, all means are fair. In our case, the most important thing is to prevent India from selling our aircraft, not to let them buy Russian ones.

Already, some Indian media outlets are rife with speculation that the Su-57 is no match for the F-35 in capabilities, and even worse than AMSA's planned indigenous fighter. It's impossible to take this seriously without laughing, considering the articles are being churned out by some former psychologists, ecologists, and economists, most of whom are also ladies. And the gentlemen are also getting into the act. Just look at the historian Prakash Nanda.

In part, all this hubbub is reminiscent of the wave that arose when certain forces decided to kick India out of the FGFA joint project with Russia. Back then, however, the situation was considerably more intense, and India ultimately withdrew from the project. Amid cries of Indian national pride and the need to forge its own path, I remember there were also those who openly shouted that Russia would drag India back.

Ultimately, India is left with a forty-year-old, "young" Tejas, anchored by Dassault, which will never let the Indian fighter take off. And Russia... Well, we have the Su-57, which, according to those same Indian scribblers, is inferior to the domestic AMSA. True, the Su-57 not only flies, it also fights. The AMSA, on the other hand, exists solely on paper. But no matter, in just 30 years, this wonder plane will be on display for everyone.

The main thing is that it doesn’t show like “Tejas”, otherwise everything will be fine.


The French are more complicated. They've simply latched onto India and are doing everything they can to stay in the market. And while no one's even talking about refining the Tejas (really, what's dead never dies), there's talk of Dassault helping create the next-generation "Indian Litac," the AMCA.

Well, of course, considering the AMSA project has been hamstrung since 2006 (oh, soon it'll be half of the Tejas!), and the aircraft is still just on paper, the benefits over the next twenty years will be invaluable. And while the French are busy fooling Indians (as with the Tejas) for those twenty years, they'll be able to quietly push through the "modern" Rafale 8th, 9th, and 10th iterations.

Well, it worked once, why change the methodology?

What's more, this isn't a carrot on a string dangling from a donkey, but a mango! What, the French are promising to hand over production of the fifth-series Rafale to the Indians! Well, not all of it, but some. Later, after some time. The main thing is the Rafale 5—it's better than the Su-57 in every way!


The main thing here is to believe! Anyone who doubts is a heretic and a paid agent of the Kremlin.

In short, we could talk about this at length, but the main point is that Indian dance is a complex matter. And the Indian Air Force will only be able to develop a proper dance when it starts working with people who don't lie or try to rob. And there aren't many options here, the main thing is that one of them is Russia.

But, as one song goes, "If you drink with thieves, watch your wallet."

India has a very capable industry, capable of replicating and assembling Russian weapons with great precision. And these Russian weapons are head and shoulders above what Indian designers are desperately trying to replicate. It's still early days, maybe in 30 or 40 years, but for now, it's not worth it.


What a pathetic disgrace a hundred "purely Indian" Arjun tanks look like compared to a thousand T-90s and two thousand T-72s? Why is that? Isn't it because the Arjun costs $3,6 million, while the Arjun-2 costs $6,5 million? Even though the T-90S, which is orders of magnitude better, costs $2,5 million of the same.

And if you consider that the Arjun, which was developed since 1972, has problems with everything except the Kontakt-5 DZ and the NSVT machine gun...

We can talk about the Indian "miracle rifle" INSAS, for which a replacement is urgently sought today, because it does not stand up to any comparison with any product of the Kalashnikov concern.

And the Tejas looks absolutely the same compared to any modern Russian aircraft.


Bottom line. I feel sorry for the Indian pilots who died in those pathetic French jets. Okay, the Rafale can still be called an airplane. A pathetic one, but still an airplane. I feel sorry (a little) for the time Indians are wasting on "independence," trying to create something of their own. It's too early, too early.

All that can be summed up here, without any advertising, is this: if you want things to work for you, be friends with Russia. If not, well, someone in the world needs to be "taken for a ride" by the French, for example. Of course, there's no point in looking for Russian machinations to promote its weapons on the global market. This is especially true for India, which is doing a pretty good job of discrediting itself.
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  1. +42
    2 December 2025 04: 01
    Is it just me, or are we gloating over the Indians' failures? Hello, people died there. Personally, I couldn't care less what the Indians are doing. They're trying to develop somehow, well done, good job, go ahead. This big-brother attitude that no one can do anything without us is long gone. It'll be like with China: how long we laughed at cheap labor, and now we ourselves are that "cheap" labor. And many of our so-called "scientific developments" are often simply bought from China and presented as literally scientific breakthroughs of universal proportions, only to have the labels constantly fall off. Well, the Indians chose this path, that's their business. We shouldn't laugh and grin, but rather refine our Su-57 ourselves. Things aren't so rosy with our engine either. But the Indians are certainly having a better time, with the French, the explosions, and so on. We can discuss the causes of the disaster, we can discuss the plane, but there's no point in laughing at failures. Who knows if in 20 years we might find ourselves in the same situation, and not be walking around the world with our hands outstretched, asking for planes, engines, and so on...
    1. +33
      2 December 2025 05: 58
      Is it just me or are we now gloating over the failures of the Indians?

      The beginning of the article also left a depressing impression on me. Unpleasant.
      1. +6
        2 December 2025 08: 52
        Quote: Amateur
        Unpleasant

        Yes. Schadenfreude doesn't suit a fighter. That's more typical of fans.
    2. +12
      2 December 2025 07: 12
      Quote from turembo
      Is it just me or are we now gloating over the failures of the Indians?

      Not "we", but someone... Who thinks that
      The Rafale could also be called an airplane. A lousy one, but an airplane nonetheless.
      1. +20
        2 December 2025 07: 44
        Tomorrow our boss will go to negotiate with Modi and maybe ask him how India managed to land its apparatus on the Moon, while ours crashed into pieces, and all because of a childish error in landing control.
        1. +9
          2 December 2025 09: 15
          Our team wanted to land their spacecraft on the far side of the Moon. That is, completely automatically. So far, only the Chinese have managed to do this.
    3. -4
      2 December 2025 08: 12
      They also gloat over us about electronics and cars, well, that's not our thing, tanks and planes are not Indian, that's all there is to it...
      1. +3
        2 December 2025 14: 54
        They also gloat over us about electronics and cars, well, that's not our thing, tanks and planes are not Indian, that's all there is to it...

        Are the Indians gloating?
    4. +2
      2 December 2025 08: 15
      and finish up your Su-57 yourself

      Isn't it already in mass production?
      1. -3
        2 December 2025 09: 27
        Just like Tadges, and by the way, he also filed for bankruptcy and was reduced to rubble before he even had time to roll out of the assembly shop and reach the customer.
    5. +2
      2 December 2025 11: 51
      And what path exactly did the Indians choose?
      Even presidents and prime ministers don't order aircraft fleets.
      These can only contribute to national programs
      Generals decide whether to buy certain aircraft
      And here, of course, the conclusion suggests itself: what kind of kickbacks did the French receive for such an order for the Rafale and why exactly the Indians decided to overpay for this aircraft, considering the project of their own
      It's a resounding failure in both cases. We can gloat, since it all happened largely at our expense.
    6. +6
      2 December 2025 12: 31
      "Is it just me or are we gloating over the Indians' failures?" Why should we cry and mourn? This isn't our plane, nor is it our flight school.
    7. +11
      2 December 2025 12: 37
      Quote from turembo
      Did it seem to me or we Are we now gloating over the failures of the Indians?

      There's no need to associate everyone here with the author of this article. Roman Skomorokhov alone isn't "WE." As usual, his letterforms outstrip common sense when writing articles.
    8. -1
      4 December 2025 21: 03
      To make everything work for you, be friends with Russia.

      We'd probably be friends if everything worked as it should and met modern requirements. But unfortunately, our military-industrial complex has nothing to offer India right now. Our military science and industrial capabilities have lagged behind. They're stuck at the level of the last century. India, China, and our other traditional arms buyers see and know this. So they're looking for other suppliers or trying to develop their own, with varying degrees of success. We're catastrophically losing arms markets. We've already lost the Chinese one, and we'll lose the Indian and other ones if we continue in our current state. That is, we're just talking, not working, and not investing adequately in research and production. And there's no need to look for someone else to blame for people stopping buying our weapons from us and preferring to buy from others.
  2. +18
    2 December 2025 04: 42
    Calling the Tejas a French plane is like calling the JF-17 a Soviet one... oh, that's Skomorokhov, how could I forget. I hope the author flies exclusively Boeings and refuses any French taxis.

    Regarding the topic, it makes more sense now to sell the Su-75 to the Indians, as it was originally intended for export. The Su-57 was barely brought into production, but production for the Su-75 is as necessary as air. Besides, the 57 is a different class of aircraft from the hodgepodge of Mirages, Balalaikas, Jaguars, Bahadurs, and the like. Since the Indians helped with the T-90 and Su-30, it would make sense to cooperate here as well.
    1. +4
      2 December 2025 05: 30
      Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
      The Su-75 needs a series of these as urgently as bread and air.
      They threaten the first flight by the beginning of 2026. God willing!
    2. -1
      2 December 2025 14: 16
      And how many planes did you help us bring into production? You sound a bit dismissive.
  3. +29
    2 December 2025 04: 54
    The French have absolutely the right policy towards India. Why cultivate a competitor in the arms market, especially since the country isn't an ally, but rather neutral, in relation to Russia (and France)? The Brahmos has already been declared an exclusively Indian missile and is successfully stealing customers from us. The Su-30MKI, too, it turns out, is an achievement of Indian genius and is touring NATO countries, thereby facilitating training. The nuclear submarine is the object of tours for Western representatives, the Su-57 and S-500 are now on the way, and people are drooling over the Oreshnik (and producing the Superjet in India is a dubious decision). What's with our desire to sell everything, to make a little money (rupees, probably), but ultimately, in the long run, to create a competitor and squander the market?
    1. -6
      2 December 2025 05: 00
      What is this desire of ours to sell everything, to earn a little money (rupees, probably), but ultimately, in the long run, to screw up the market?

      We are still fighting with weapons made with Indian and Chinese money.
      1. +5
        2 December 2025 05: 05
        Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
        made with Indian and Chinese money.

        Is nothing built or done with rubles anymore?
        1. +7
          2 December 2025 05: 11
          I don't know why our Armata and Coalition tanks, which were built with rubles, didn't take off. But T-90 production, which was launched with Indian money, is alive and well. And it's a big question where the Oniks and Kalibr tanks would have been without the Indian order.
          1. 0
            2 December 2025 05: 17
            Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
            Somehow our Armatas and Coalitions didn't take off

            Ours have forgotten how to work, that's why they don't take off, but the Bukhankas and Nivas still fly - they still remember their hands...
          2. +2
            2 December 2025 09: 28
            Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
            I don't know why our Armata and Coalition tanks, which were built with rubles, never took off. But T-90 production, which was launched with Indian money, is alive and well.

            Back then, our industries were struggling to survive, but in the 2000s, they were teeming with cash. And even then, our government had as much currency as a fool has candy wrappers. The only thing they could do with their "extra" dollars and euros was blow them on the World Cup and the Olympics, and the rest was deposited in Western accounts. request
            It's not about rubles, euros, or dollars, but the capabilities of our scientific and industrial potential. Incidentally, the expensive Armata was a concept that became obsolete without ever entering production, thanks to the rise of UAVs.
            But the question is: where is the "Coalition" that was needed yesterday?
            1. +1
              2 December 2025 18: 39
              Quote: Askold65
              But the question is: where is the "Coalition" that was needed yesterday?
              Well, it seems like they've finished it, but it has nothing to shoot with. The old ones don't fit, and there are no new ones.
      2. +11
        2 December 2025 05: 23
        Partially (the Su-30 SM, also known as the MKI and T-90), but it's no longer possible to ride roughshod over others. The Indians are learning fast, and then they'll start milking the most advanced technologies and organizing production based on them on their own territory. And how much (relatively) did we earn back then? I think Gazprom and Rosneft brought in more in those years, and we could have developed our own weapons at their expense.
        1. +3
          2 December 2025 05: 30
          did we make money then?

          First and foremost, competencies were preserved. The MiG failed to ride the export wave, so where is it now?
          1. +10
            2 December 2025 05: 35
            Are we discussing survival strategies for the 90s and 0s, or the direction of cooperation with India today?
            Let me repeat - strategically this is not correct.
            1. +3
              2 December 2025 05: 42
              Our immediate future isn't exactly rosy either. Huge war costs, which could be used to develop other sectors of the economy, costs from damage to civilian infrastructure, the cost of rebuilding new regions, working on genuine import substitution, and so on. So, shifting some of the development costs to India seems entirely reasonable to me.
              1. +8
                2 December 2025 06: 30
                Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                part of the development costs for India

                There are no development costs (everything has already been developed before), there is the sale of ready-made cutting-edge technologies and the organization of production in another country (at least that’s what I understood from publications) with unclear obligations of the latter and high demand for the same product here.
                You need money (I hope it’s not rupees), sell the finished product and don’t create competition in the future.
                1. -1
                  2 December 2025 06: 47
                  everything was developed before them

                  The Su-57 isn't yet fully developed; the notorious "second stage" is still in the prototype stage. The Su-75 hasn't even reached the first flying prototypes.

                  unclear obligations

                  The circumstances can be discussed on the shore, that the Indian Su-22s and the Chinese Su-22s never entered foreign markets.

                  high demand for the same product here.

                  Demand is good if we share technology. Whether it will be as good if we pupate is a big question.
                  1. +3
                    2 December 2025 06: 57
                    Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                    Our Su-57 is not yet fully developed; the notorious "second stage" is still in the prototype stage.

                    Yes, yes, I forgot to mention the 30th edition; we definitely need to work on it together (even though in other countries it’s one of the biggest secrets)
                    Don't mention the Su-75; it's the same thing, but in a more nuanced way, divided by two. And if we're talking about that, we should follow the American path, where participating countries produce components and final assembly takes place in the US. And I'd like to see North Korea among those participating in Su-75 production.
                    Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                    The circumstances can be discussed on the shore,

                    We already discussed it and it ended badly.
                    1. +7
                      2 December 2025 07: 04
                      Quote: mark1
                      we should follow the American path, where participating countries produce components and final assembly takes place in the USA
                      What if the countries participating in the project refuse, for some reason, to supply us with certain components? What then?

                      P.S. We've already gone the American way—sell oil and gas and use the proceeds to buy everything we need. As a result, we've ruined the entire machine tool industry, electronics, and most of the aircraft industry...
                      1. -3
                        2 December 2025 07: 07
                        Quote: Luminman
                        What if the countries participating in the project refuse to supply us with certain components? What then?

                        This means they will be left without a final product, but we, for ourselves, can produce everything ourselves, who is stopping us?
                        Regarding the last point (PS), this is not about that at all (pardon the pun)
                      2. +6
                        2 December 2025 07: 09
                        and we, for ourselves, can produce everything ourselves, who is stopping us?

                        Please tell this to the management of KAPO, and these "incompetents" are complaining that they can't launch the Tu-214 into production.
                      3. -2
                        2 December 2025 07: 11
                        Okay - we'll cross out KAPO...
                      4. +1
                        2 December 2025 09: 51
                        Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                        They can't launch the Tu-214 into production

                        As I understand it, the reason is that a lot of import substitution has to be done. Even though the Tu-204 is a completely domestic aircraft! Our managers converted it to imported components (avionics, landing gear, hydraulics, etc.) and ended up with the Tu-214. Now they're struggling to reverse the process.
                      5. +1
                        2 December 2025 19: 10
                        I'm aware of this. Could you explain this to the commenter above, who said, "We can produce everything ourselves, so who's stopping us?"
                    2. -3
                      2 December 2025 07: 04
                      We definitely need to work on it together.

                      Money in the morning, chairs in the evening (c). I doubt that even with full access to documentation, the Indians will easily launch production of fifth-generation engines, given their troubles with the Kaveri.

                      And if it comes down to it, we should follow the American path, where participating countries produce components and final assembly takes place in the United States. And I would like to see North Korea among such participating countries.

                      Oh, that great North Korean aircraft industry. We don't have a pool of allies capable of supporting even partial development of an aircraft. But we do have customers willing to at least pay for it.

                      We've already discussed it.

                      Let me repeat, the Chinese Su-27s are nowhere to be seen on the arms market. And the Indians are also steadily buying AL-31FNs for their fleet. But apparently, only Pogosyan can negotiate with us.
                      1. -1
                        2 December 2025 09: 39
                        Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                        Oh, that great North Korean aircraft industry. We don't have a pool of allies capable of supporting even partial development of an aircraft.

                        They need to be involved in the production of not key parts, but design elements and avionics, and not development.
                        South Korea also rose to prominence not on its own, but with the help of its Western partners. Now it sells to them and competes successfully in the arms market.
                        Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                        Let me repeat, the Chinese Su is not visible on the arms market.

                        They already have something of their own to offer. Otherwise, it might have gone the "Indian" way...
                      2. 0
                        3 December 2025 04: 56
                        They need to be involved in the production of not key parts, but design elements and avionics, and not development.
                        South Korea also rose to prominence not on its own, but with the help of its Western partners. Now it sells to them and competes successfully in the arms market.

                        Manufacturing structural components and avionics still requires expertise in this area. Taking the F-35 program as an example, countries with already developed aviation industries, such as the United Kingdom, are participating in the development and supply of components. All other countries contribute only financially.

                        I didn't quite understand about the South Korean issue. Are you suggesting that we develop North Korean expertise ourselves in order to develop a potential competitor?

                        They already have something of their own to offer.

                        What do the Chinese have to offer in the Su-30/35 class? And are there many orders?
                      3. 0
                        3 December 2025 18: 23
                        Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                        If we take the F-35 program as an example, it is countries with already developed aviation industries, such as Great Britain, that are participating in the development and supply of components.

                        No, there is a whole consortium for the production of components and assembly.
                        As of November 2025, the United States, United Kingdom, Italy, the Netherlands, Canada, Australia, Denmark, and Norway are participating in the F-35 fighter production as initial partners in the program.
                        Also involved in the production and assembly of aircraft are, for example:
                        Israel (has been producing wings since 2013).
                        Japan (Mitsubishi Corporation established an aircraft assembly plant in Nagoya in 2016).
                        Italy (in 2017, a workshop was opened in Italy (Novara)
                        Türkiye initially participated in the JSF program, but was excluded due to the purchase of Russian S-400 air defense missile systems in 2019.
                        Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                        I didn't quite understand about the South Korean issue. Are you suggesting that we develop North Korean expertise ourselves in order to develop a potential competitor?

                        No, as a contractor for the production of individual components. Koreans are hardworking and disciplined people. They will cope with the task. Yes
                        And a potential competitor under severe sanctions. According to some reports, some weapons production expertise was transferred to it as a token of gratitude for its assistance in repelling the Ukrainian Armed Forces' invasion of the Kursk region.
                        By the way, Belarus supplies us with some components for the aviation industry.
                        Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                        What do the Chinese have to offer in the Su-30/35 class? And are there many orders?

                        The Chinese are making proposals in the single-engine class, which is popular among poor countries. Here, Russia has nothing to offer either.
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                        3 December 2025 20: 11
                        Netherlands, Canada, Australia, Denmark and Norway

                        And what components of the program are produced by these countries?

                        And a potential competitor is subject to the most severe sanctions.

                        Which, nevertheless, trades in weapons. And we are currently also under sanctions.

                        The Chinese are making proposals in the single-engine class, which is popular among poor countries. Here, Russia has nothing to offer either.

                        Here, MiG provides an example of how not to collaborate. Instead of funding its development and production by providing limited access to the license, MiG engaged in "design consulting" and actually created competition for its products.
                      5. 0
                        3 December 2025 20: 45
                        Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                        And what components of the program are produced by these countries?

                        Any kind, really... For example, electronic components that control the engines, fuel and navigation systems, and lighting systems in the F-35. Also mentioned is the British electronics board manufacturer Exception PCB, whose products are used in this program.
                        Before its exclusion from the program, Turkey itself produced components for the F-35, from the central fuselage to the landing gear. Turkish companies produced up to 900 components for this aircraft (6-7% of all components), worth over $1 billion. Other countries also contributed. Which countries and who specifically are irrelevant in the context of our discussion. The fact is that the United States isn't the only country involved in its production. Just as Boeing's Seattle assembly plant receives components from all over the world.


                        Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                        Which, nevertheless, trades in weapons. And we are currently also under sanctions.

                        He sells weapons of his own design based on old Soviet models, but also some of his own original products.
                        What does this have to do with us? We're talking about South Korea as a potential partner and, as it turns out, its most reliable ally.
                        Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                        Here's a prime example from MiG of how not to collaborate. Instead of funding its development and production in exchange for partial access to the license, MiG engaged in "design consulting" and effectively created competition for its own products.

                        Sukhoi did the same thing. belay
                        Only our military rejected single-engine aircraft in favor of twin-engine ones, and an aircraft not in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces itself is of no use to anyone. That's why MiG was engaged in consulting... Incidentally, the Chinese received documentation from the Israelis for the Lavi fighter and based it on their J-10.
                        Specialists from the Israeli company IAI participated in the development of the J-10 fighter's design, transferring the Lavi fighter's technology to China. All the Lavi documentation was sold to China, and Chinese engineers began creatively reimagining it. The process took a long time, involving Russian engineers, and ultimately, on June 28, 2002, the sinicized Lavi, designated the J-10, took to the skies for the first time.
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                    2 December 2025 14: 58
                    The Su-57 we have is not yet fully developed,

                    You need to delve into the topic a little, then you will find out that only a hopelessly outdated model is being developed "to the end".
                    And while the product is alive, it is constantly being modernized.
                2. +1
                  3 December 2025 23: 39
                  Quote: mark1
                  You need money (I hope it’s not rupees), sell the finished product and don’t create competition in the future.

                  High technologies have short shelf lives, like natural products. They're already obsolete within a few years, so it's more profitable to spin the wheel of investment faster than to languish over them. For example, China has already begun replacing Starlink with its own system, even though the network hasn't even been fully deployed yet.
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                2 December 2025 07: 59
                Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                Our immediate future isn't exactly rosy either. The enormous costs of war

                And where did the expenses go before 22? Was it really to improve the people's well-being and raise their standard of living?
                The people don't care, they stand on the sidelines anyway.
    2. 0
      2 December 2025 16: 11
      The top manager doesn't care what happens next; that's not what they get their bonuses for. It's like with gasoline—it was exported, but then prices rose due to shortages.
      The state should regulate such matters; if everything is left to the mercy of salesmen, they will sell out the country, and not just the technology.
  4. +4
    2 December 2025 05: 22
    But comparing a Niva to an airplane is unfair! I'd gladly take a Niva, not a Chinese "gadget" on wheels! After all, I need a car that can get me from point A to point B, and preferably on time! Well, the Niva meets these requirements! Which can't be said about that Chinese "miracle"! I'll add: I got behind the wheel back in the 70s, when I didn't even see a tow truck in the USSR, and now? And by the way, these tow trucks mostly tow... but not VAZ, GAZ, or UAZ! I know this is about to start, but this is MY OPINION! And I won't change it! If you disagree, don't bother the keyboard; just give it a minus.
    1. +2
      2 December 2025 05: 30
      Quote: Traveler 63
      I would gladly take a Niva,

      I'm not knocking the Niva, I'm saying that after so many years of production, changing the bulbs in the Niva to LEDs is a cool achievement... But in the Bukhanka, you don't need to change anything at all.
      1. -1
        2 December 2025 05: 42
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Traveler 63
        I would gladly take a Niva,

        I'm not knocking the Niva, I'm saying that after so many years of production, changing the bulbs in the Niva to LEDs is a cool achievement... But in the Bukhanka, you don't need to change anything at all.

        I told you to just give the downvotes! And as for the "loaf," it went into production in 1956 (just like the "Kruzak"). How many "Kruzak" models have there been since then? And ours was the "loaf" right away! laughing sarcasm, if anything.
      2. -1
        2 December 2025 09: 08
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        I'm not knocking the Niva, I'm saying that after so many years of production, changing the Niva's light bulbs to LEDs is a pretty cool achievement...

        I had a '95 Niva, and now I have a '24 Niva. There are quite a few differences between them, and I know the differences between them, unlike those internet pundits. The difference isn't in the LEDs, but rather in ABS and electronic accelerator pedals, and I won't even mention the interior. The difference lies not in the exterior design, but in what's inside. And the Niva's design is very functional, unlike modern, decorative ones. Yes, the engine is outdated, but it has a cast-iron block. The gearbox and transfer case are virtually unchanged. There's plenty of power... I recently got a fine for going 132 km/h on the Moscow Ring Road. Chinese cars with automatic high-beam headlights really piss me off... it's a completely stupid feature... they'll blind you in the mirrors. It doesn't need to be replaced; just rebuilt with new, high-quality equipment. The Crocodile is suitable as a family car, and a regular three-door is a two-seater like a Porsche 911. And the heated seats are activated by one button, while in Chinese cars you have to hit the right spot three times on a tablet... brutal.
    2. +5
      2 December 2025 05: 36
      Well, "Niva" meets these requirements!

      Yeah, if you're a fisherman who needs to get to the lake with his fishing rods. This car is unsuitable for city driving by a family.
      1. 0
        2 December 2025 05: 50
        Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
        Well, "Niva" meets these requirements!

        Yeah, if you're a fisherman who needs to get to the lake with his fishing rods. This car is unsuitable for city driving by a family.

        Well, it depends on who's in charge! If I have to go to the service station for the slightest reason, then yes! But if I'm just taking the keys and rolling up my sleeves, I'm not going to agree! By the way, I'm not such a Niva patriot; frankly, I've been driving a UAZ Patriot since 2009 and I'm very happy! I'm not forcing it on anyone; as they say, "Tastes differ."
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          2 December 2025 08: 11
          Quote: Traveler 63
          If you go to the service station for the slightest reason

          This is a problem with all modern cars stuffed with electronics, regardless of the manufacturer.
          The days of repairs using a hammer, crowbar and some kind of swear word are long gone.
          These days, you drive around worry-free, with the most you can do is check the oil or take it to the service station. Some cars even require disassembling half the car to change a headlight bulb.
          1. +1
            2 December 2025 08: 51
            That's the point. Why do I need a laptop on wheels? If I just need to get from point A to point B? And the Chinese ones, they're like Christmas lights on wheels!
            1. 0
              2 December 2025 09: 18
              Quote: Traveler 63
              That's the point. Why do I need a laptop on wheels? If I just need to get from point A to point B? And the Chinese ones, they're like Christmas lights on wheels!

              It's the same with a combat aircraft: the main thing is to deliver the weapon to the right place, and not to perform tricks in the air. The exterior has already become established, but the insides... the engine... the avionics... can be changed even in the old guise.
      2. +1
        2 December 2025 05: 58
        It's certainly suitable, especially in Siberia! Or for some, all of Russia means Moscow and St. Petersburg?
        1. 0
          2 December 2025 06: 01
          How many people live in Siberia and how many in European Russia? And even in the East, judging by the traffic in Novosibirsk, the Niva isn't exactly popular; 20-year-old right-hand drives are even more popular there.
          1. 0
            2 December 2025 06: 17
            Judging by your comments, your honor has only seen Siberia on TV, and the Niva in a picture. Until the doctors rejected my medical examination for heart problems, I drove it around the cities and villages of Siberia without any problems.
      3. +2
        2 December 2025 11: 59
        In St. Petersburg I see modern Nivas, both urban and standard versions.
        People take it and probably suffer.

        The article is truly stupid; I still don't understand why they need to kick AvtoVAZ unnecessarily.
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      +1
      2 December 2025 08: 06
      Quote: Traveler 63
      I'd gladly take a Niva over a Chinese gadget on wheels! After all, I need a car that can get me from point A to point B, and preferably on time! Well, the Niva meets those requirements!

      I drove a Niva for 3 years... the results were not satisfactory, every day something was unscrewing... something was falling off, something was shorting out, or deflating.... I was especially fed up with the wheel bearings and their constant adjustment.
      and with a UAZ you generally need to go with a driver or repair and maintain it yourself, every day, without going anywhere.
      1. 0
        2 December 2025 08: 46
        I go out every day and do the maintenance myself! It's not difficult if your head and hands grow from your shoulders, not from there!
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          1. -1
            2 December 2025 09: 27
            Quote: Telur
            I too, for 12 years now, have been driving a Nissan X-Trail, and I've traveled such f...ing distances across the tundra to hunt and fish, no Niva can handle it.

            That's a Hitrila... with a viscous coupling... well, well. The Niva has enough power—the transfer case has a 2.135 gear ratio.
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              2 December 2025 09: 40
              Quote: Konnick
              This is a Hitrila... with a viscous coupling...

              12 years old Karl, 12! And all in the far north, Yamal. hi
      2. 0
        2 December 2025 09: 15
        Quote: Telur
        I drove a Niva for 3 years... the results were not satisfactory, every day something was unscrewing... something was falling off, something was shorting out, or deflating.... I was especially fed up with the wheel bearings and their constant adjustment.

        I don't know what kind of Niva you were driving, but wheel bearing adjustments on Nivas haven't been necessary for a long time now.
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          2 December 2025 09: 18
          Quote: Konnick
          I don't know what kind of Niva you were driving, but wheel bearing adjustments on Nivas haven't been necessary for a long time now.

          Young, apparently... it's not necessary now, but previously the hubs had tapered roller bearings that required regular tension adjustment.
          1. 0
            2 December 2025 09: 20
            Quote: Telur
            Quote: Konnick
            I don't know what kind of Niva you were driving, but wheel bearing adjustments on Nivas haven't been necessary for a long time now.

            Young, apparently... it's not necessary now, but previously the hubs had tapered roller bearings that required regular tension adjustment.

            The Nivas still have conical ones, and I adjusted them not like the VAZ manual, but like the Ural-375s. This military-grade adjustment lasted for a year. As for youth... I've been driving for 45 years.
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              2 December 2025 09: 29
              Quote: Konnick
              Nivas still have conical tires.

              The first thing I did after buying a Chevrolet Niva was change the hubs to hubs with straight roller bearings like the VAZ 2108 and completely forgot about them. Five years later I sold it without ever looking at it.
              I have the most pleasant impressions from the Chevy Niva.
              1. -1
                2 December 2025 09: 32
                Quote: Telur
                Quote: Konnick
                Nivas still have conical tires.

                The first thing I did after buying a Chevrolet Niva was change the hubs to hubs with straight roller bearings like the VAZ 2108 and completely forgot about them. Five years later I sold it without ever looking at it.
                I have the most pleasant impressions from the Chevy Niva.

                I've driven my Niva for 200 km, but haven't done anything to it. I adjusted the bearings when I changed the seasonal tires.
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                  2 December 2025 09: 37
                  Yes, my Chevy Niva also didn't cause me many problems. I replaced the hubs with hubs with straight roller bearings (they are now standard on Chevy Nivas and Urbans), replaced the transmission/transfer case shaft with a cardan shaft with universal joints, and that's about it, everything else was just good.
                  But frankly speaking, I'm fed up with the VAZ-21213.
    4. -1
      2 December 2025 08: 38
      And by the way, these tow trucks mostly carry... but not VAZ, GAZ or UAZ!

      When everyone joked that if a Volga wasn't leaking oil, it must be out of it, my dad, on the contrary, was praising it. (I don't remember the model—I don't take after my father, nor am I a car guy. But it was from the late 90s... probably one of the last.) But he'd say something like, "It's a great car. All you need to do is take the engine apart and spend a day or two tinkering with the injectors. It's minimal on the highway. Now you just need to replace this and tweak this."
      So, here's what I'm getting at... I've gotten the impression that owning a domestically produced vehicle like this already implies a keen mechanical aptitude and field repair skills. Anyone who doesn't have that skill will buy a Chinese car or some other "get your washer fluid refilled at a service center" and, if necessary, fork out for a tow truck. So, the lack of UAZs on tow trucks is a case of survivorship bias—those who can't fix them don't buy them.
      1. -2
        2 December 2025 08: 41
        You responded to your comment with a nickname! laughing
        1. -1
          2 December 2025 08: 44
          Engineers come in all shapes and sizes. I'm not drawn to mechanics.
          1. -1
            2 December 2025 08: 54
            Well, excuse me! I was actually talking about engineers.
    5. -1
      2 December 2025 09: 30
      "Are you not planning to build good roads in the Union at all?" (c)
    6. +2
      2 December 2025 09: 52
      Quote: Traveler 63

      I would gladly take a Niva, not a Chinese gadget

      I have never seen a car with better cross-country ability than the Niva.
      1. 0
        4 December 2025 14: 53
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        I have never seen a car with better cross-country ability than the Niva.

        A controversial statement... I had a diesel Mitsubishi Jeep, for the Japanese army and police, and I used it to go where Land Cruisers wouldn't go...
    7. 0
      2 December 2025 14: 03
      I gave it a thumbs up. But the Niva is a specialized car. Not for daily use. My Vesta SV has been new since 21. So far, I've only changed the wiper blades, and the low-beam headlight bulbs have burned out every six months. I just changed the left one a month ago (easier than changing it on a Granta).
  5. +3
    2 December 2025 05: 50
    Skomorokhov's sarcasm is completely unnecessary in this article. It's a shame, but it's just comedy club-style jokes. So-so.
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      3 December 2025 03: 31
      By the way, note that my comment was deleted and I received a warning!
  6. +2
    2 December 2025 06: 58
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    The Indian fighter has learned to fly, but it is still far from perfect.
    Despite the fact that the fighter has already learned to fly (and long ago!), albeit without demonstrating any breakthrough results, this project can by no means be called a failure, as during its development, engineers gained a great deal of useful information and accumulated a wealth of experience that can always be used for the future development of aviation. And the significance of this fighter, which is very far from perfect (quoting the Author) will be in the industrial and technological base that it creates for India's future aviation programs.

    And even despite the crash of this aircraft at the Dubai Air Show, after the demonstration flight, the platform Roof tiles It remains one of the smallest and lightest modern fighters in its class thanks to its AESA radar, modernized electronic warfare suite, and beyond-visual-range missile launch capability. This also includes an in-flight refueling system and a reduced radar cross-section. In short, there's no point in criticizing this aircraft...

    P.S.The same applies to the Turkish and Korean fighters, which, like the Indian fighter, are taking their first steps...
  7. 0
    2 December 2025 08: 13
    The Indians saved a huge chunk of our military-industrial complex, that's true. Because they ordered what they needed, and pay attention.
    It's worth noting that the Russian Ministry of Defense persistently turned its nose up at our military-industrial complex's export bestsellers, calling them outdated junk, especially under Serdyukov. In terms of national revenue, the military-industrial complex is a pittance compared to the oil and metals industries. But there's no need to be overly concerned about technology leaks, as most of these leaks are public, based on publications by our boastful media and basic logic. The Su-75 would be best suited for India; it was planned as an export-oriented aircraft, so that's where it belongs.
  8. +1
    2 December 2025 08: 33
    The greedy pay twice. The music didn't last long.
  9. +1
    2 December 2025 09: 24
    At least they didn't crash the station into the Moon. And we're still struggling while the Soviet lead remains; it's about to run out, and who knows what will happen. We failed miserably at Baikanur. So, Author, think about who's "dancing" what.
    1. -1
      2 December 2025 12: 28
      "I would learn Russian..."
      1. +1
        2 December 2025 13: 54
        "...just because Lenin spoke to them.", yeah. What did they want to say?
        1. 0
          2 December 2025 17: 12
          You must write without mistakes. Rude ones!
          1. 0
            2 December 2025 17: 22
            Is there anything to the point of the comment?
            1. 0
              2 December 2025 17: 26
              Why? I read you "experts." I'm not one of those "flyers."
  10. 0
    2 December 2025 09: 30
    So don't give them Su-57 technology!!! They're facing a war themselves, let alone selling engines to anyone else...
  11. +1
    2 December 2025 09: 55
    Too much emotion, right up there with "Scarlet Sails." The author even leaned toward the market (...And it's nothing personal, France is fighting for its billions. It's all normal, it's the market...). Isn't that normal? And isn't corruption the result of the market and corporations? And the Niva is called the Niva because Soviet and Russian aircraft, tanks, and rifles are the best.
  12. +1
    2 December 2025 10: 17
    Maybe it would be easier to offer the Indians the Su-75 as a replacement for the MiG-21 Bison?
  13. +1
    2 December 2025 10: 24
    Did anyone think that if it weren't for those idiot traders smuggling food and weapons to other countries, things would be different? We fed Africa, armed it, and ended up with problems with pirates and migrants in Europe. And basically everywhere. We build everything for them there, and they sharpen their knives on us. I understand teaching them, forcing them to go through the entire process of building their own industry, but feeding them and giving them ready-made weapons is nonsense and shortsighted. It's very similar to the Predator series, where they combine the DNA of the best fighters into a single organism—that's the point of the films. And here we are, happy to be given other people's candy wrappers, or the PI we need, and electronics. But in reality, we trade at a loss because the whole world is trying to deceive us. No matter what we do, we are always guilty of having such a stockpile of emergency supplies that they absolutely must steal it for free.
  14. 0
    2 December 2025 10: 34
    And the French are clever: they managed to cheat the gypsies out of their money.
  15. 0
    2 December 2025 11: 23
    If you strip away all the nonsense and get to the root of the matter, the Indians are doing a great job. Forty-two years of siphoning off budget subsidies for one type of aircraft isn't so bad. And they also received some hefty personal subsidies (kickbacks) in hard currency for purchasing French aircraft. A sweet child sucking from two breasts.
  16. -1
    2 December 2025 11: 35
    To put it mildly, Indians aren't known for their integrity or honesty in business dealings (or for that matter, anyone who's dealt with them knows). I'd recommend doing as little business with them as possible. Any so-called economic, political, or strategic benefits from working with them will come at a very high cost and ultimately yield a huge downside, not a gain.
  17. 0
    2 December 2025 12: 07
    Despite everything written here, one thing remains unclear. France has been harassing India with licenses and opening licensed production in India for nearly a century. Meanwhile, Russia is selling not only its weapons, the creation of which cost billions of public rubles, but also the license for these weapons, creating a competitor in India in the arms market.
    What kind of economy and trade is this!?
  18. -1
    2 December 2025 12: 19
    The article may be a bit malicious, but it does give rise to certain thoughts.

    And the thoughts are that modern manned aviation is increasingly becoming an element of prestige than a real combat force.

    It's not that aviation isn't needed, but that combat aircraft have become something like automobile brands in the recent past. Mercedes, BMW, Maybach, Rolls-Royce, Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, and so on all competed to foist their products at the richest possible price on the Persian Gulf's Pinocchios. Granted, the money wasn't counted, but the emergence of numerous experts on the subject, who were the only ones unanimous in their opinion that "VAZs" weren't cars and that everything Chinese was crap, was a remarkable phenomenon. Something similar is now happening with orders for combat aircraft, and it seems as if these and other orders are being processed according to the same black-and-gray schemes with the same "experts" and sales managers.

    Right now we need to think about the future of aviation, which lies in a completely different plane.

    In the plane of its combat effectiveness at a reasonable price-quality, when the loss of one unit of such equipment in combat operations will not be perceived as a national tragedy

    Therefore, the first thing we need to think about is that for the front line of operations of such primarily strike aviation, we need to build drones
    1. +1
      2 December 2025 14: 49
      Quote: Sergey Mitinsky
      Right now we need to think about the future of aviation, which lies in a completely different plane.
      They think. Su-57 developed with the prospect of converting it to unmanned mode. American F-35 Also. The Chinese are probably following the same path...
  19. -1
    2 December 2025 13: 53
    By the way. Why didn't Tejas's pilot eject? The plane crashed in an uninhabited area. Maybe it wasn't the plane, but the pilot just felt ill?
    The gloating in the article is also unclear. At least they're trying to do something themselves. Should I remind you about the first Superjet crash in Indonesia, where it was flown to demonstrate to buyers? Or didn't we think about the PD-8 and PD-14 engines until the thunder struck?
  20. -2
    2 December 2025 16: 59
    The article is incredibly long. Have Russian (Soviet) planes never crashed at air shows?
    The article was probably commissioned by Sukhoi with the -75 market in mind. But there's no sign of a crowd lining up for the "F35 killer" yet, even though a papier-mâché model has been touring air shows for several years now.
    As for "they're churning out 1-2 a year," that's exactly right about the Tu-214. And the Su-34's fate was also stagnant for about 20 years, until about 2018.
  21. -2
    2 December 2025 17: 00
    Yes. Someone's giggling. And people are dying.
    Haven't many pilots died here and in other places?
    They fly, they take risks, they die.

    Let's just remember the Bryansk air incident or the MiG sports team...
    Falls happen. Our robot recently fell. The Americans have a space rocket, a bridge in China, and so on.
    Who finds it funny?
    Surely, a la the characters in the movie "Toy" and the like, who make money from news about accidents and bloodshed...
  22. +1
    2 December 2025 17: 23
    A buffoon can be recognized by his very first verbal antics.
  23. -1
    2 December 2025 17: 33
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
    Somehow our Armatas and Coalitions didn't take off

    Ours have forgotten how to work, that's why they don't take off, but the Bukhankas and Nivas still fly - they still remember their hands...

    The arms - maybe. But the head, it seems, is already - that's all...
  24. 0
    2 December 2025 18: 25
    No one is gloating. The Indians simply showed how a plane should land. It's possible to land it that way, too. It depends on the national characteristics of the pilots and the amount of brainpower in their heads. Indians like to fly that way. We're not calling them fools, we're just sure of it.
  25. 0
    2 December 2025 20: 09
    Given the state of our industry (if it even exists!), with scientific and technical schools practically lost in various fields, we ourselves are not far behind India.
  26. +1
    2 December 2025 20: 40
    The Mahabharata is soon told, but the Shining Falcon will not soon take wing...
    The first line of the Indian epic "We'll build a fighter ourselves, without any hands or help from the Russians... using only dance moves."
    fellow
  27. 0
    3 December 2025 01: 45
    By the way, the Niva has become better, no matter how you look at it, but the plastic bumper is useless there, and that's what the Indians deserve. They're always trying to squeeze various technologies out of us, and they're collaborating with the Americans. You can't give them anything for free.
    1. 0
      3 December 2025 03: 38
      Quote: Vladimir Shtel
      By the way, Niva has become better, no matter how you look at it.

      For the price they're asking, it hasn't improved one bit. That's what owners complain about, and consider that it lacks the essentials that foreign automakers install for the same price. The main ones are the very weak 16-valve engine, third gear slippage, soft bushings, metal corrosion, rear suspension instability, and so on.
  28. 0
    3 December 2025 03: 29
    As for me, I couldn't care less about all our "friends"—Chinese, Indian, Algerian, and so on—who they buy from and what we're offering them. We need to think about our own army and navy first, but our military-industrial complex managers, as always, are focused on making a buck. Hand over the documentation and codes to our "friends," just so they'll stay with us and buy from us... ugh. These friends don't care about us. So, if we stop selling to them, others will buy. Our military equipment is unrivaled in terms of price, quality, and combat testing. And battling it out with the Americans and other "partners" is a waste of time; there's more money for bribes there.
  29. 0
    3 December 2025 13: 39
    A bad article that disparages Indians. You'd think Russian planes haven't crashed at air shows. There are several high-profile cases. Indians are great; they demand a high degree of localization when implementing foreign technology. And what about us? Russia, with its French Superjet engines, is in complete disarray. I don't even want to mention car manufacturing. The road is mastered by those who walk. Indians are moving forward and are confident of success. This is government policy, not the policy of individual lobbyists and banks, as in Russia.
  30. 0
    4 December 2025 11: 51
    Back in the day, these same smart alecks were pouring water on China and laughing their heads off. Where does China stand now compared to the producers of junk that has no equal anywhere else in the world? Things could also change for the worse in India.
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    11 December 2025 20: 24
    The headline of this article about the crash of an Indian plane and the deaths of its pilots is beyond the pale. It's a tragedy, after all. So the author can also talk about the Il-112 crash in Kubinka on August 17, 2021? Horrible. And VO missed it.