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A number of EU countries refused to transit gas from Europe to Ukraine

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Several countries - members of the European Union did not allow gas transit from Europe to Ukraine, despite the fact that Kiev fulfilled all the requirements set for it by the European Energy Community, said Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Yuriy Boyko.


“Ukraine expected much more when it became a member of the Energy Community. We have fulfilled a lot of rules that have been defined, however, we haven’t received any substantial help from the Energy Community on key problems of answers and answers, ”the newspaper“ Electronic News ”writes, citing an interview with Boyko on the Inter TV channel.

As an example, the Deputy Prime Minister cited a situation where a number of EU member states, contrary to European energy legislation, refused to allow gas transit from Europe to Ukraine. “Ukraine is a full member of the Energy Community, since March of last year we have a contract with the German company RWE. So, of the four countries that were obliged by the rules of the Third Energy Package to let gas out of Europe into our country, only one missed. The remaining three cited technical problems, ”he said.

Boyko recalled that the President of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, spoke harshly against the Energy Community due to the lack of support from Ukraine in addressing important issues.

In recent years, Ukraine has been persistently trying to reduce its dependence on Gazprom’s blue fuel, the price of which, according to Kiev, represents a serious threat to the national economy. According to Yanukovych, Ukraine has already begun to reduce gas consumption, it produces more of its own and replaces natural gas with other energy sources.

In turn, Ukrainian Prime Minister Mykola Azarov at the end of March announced the arrival in Ukraine of the first volumes of gas through Hungary as part of reverse supplies from Europe.

Note that Ukraine began to import gas from Europe under the contract at the end of last year, having signed an agreement with the German RWE Supply & Trading for the supply of 5 billion cubic meters of blue fuel.

Gas transit through the territory of Ukraine is carried out by a subsidiary of NAK Naftogaz of Ukraine Ukrtransgas, which is the operator of the national gas transmission system. The company operates 37,1 thousand km of gas pipelines and branch pipelines.

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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 30 2013 05: 47
    31
    I don’t even want to gloat sad Got game up to the handle fool The question arises, do the oligarchs themselves not understand that beyond a certain line they themselves will sit naked in the puddle? I’m silent about politicians
    1. MG42
      MG42 April 30 2013 05: 55
      +9
      Quote: Ruslan67
      The question arises, do the oligarchs themselves not understand that beyond a certain line they themselves will sit naked in the puddle?

      Do oligarchs have bare butts of oil and gas? >>> here you can only remember the example of Khodorkovsky with regard to the Ukrainian. the oligarchs are hardly likely to land.
      Reduce the size of superprofits and that's all.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 April 30 2013 06: 04
        +8
        Quote: MG42
        as for Ukrainian oligarchs are hardly landing possible.

        This is sad!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 30 2013 06: 16
        17
        Quote: MG42
        Reduce the size of superprofits and that's all

        They won’t decrease, you’ll just pay more, that’s all hi
        1. MG42
          MG42 April 30 2013 06: 27
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They won’t decrease, you’ll just pay more, that’s all

          If we are talking about Firtash, then he sits on regional gas banks, but the government does not raise the price of heating, although the IMF insists on this to give a loan, they will increase it, it will simply lead to a crisis of non-payments and social benefits. the explosion would have been raised a long time ago but not yet completely scumbag (debt more than $ 1,5 billion for com services).
          As for the prom. oligarchs such as Akhmetov then they lay the price of gas of course in the cost of production.
          In general, for the population of Ukraine should go Ukrainian. it produces enough gas for this and it is cheaper, but the oligarchs under the authority of it redeploy themselves to enterprises in short a lot of opaque is created in this gas pipe.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 30 2013 06: 40
            10
            Quote: MG42
            increase will simply lead to a crisis of defaults and social services. the explosion would have been raised a long time ago but not yet completely scumbag (debt more than $ 1,5 billion for com services).

            Yes, there you have social explosions all year round and 24 hours a day, some rallies on TV and slogans laughing
            1. MG42
              MG42 April 30 2013 06: 43
              +6
              I’m saying that the IMF’s gingerbread promised a 15 billion greenback loan in exchange for raising gas prices for the population, and they didn’t raise it weighing the pros and cons, how many times the IMF mission has come to Ukraine and leaves with nothing.
              1. patline
                patline April 30 2013 07: 11
                +6
                Good tidings. Europe itself is pushing Ukraine into the Customs Union.
                1. biglow
                  biglow April 30 2013 21: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: patline
                  Good tidings. Europe itself is pushing Ukraine into the Customs Union.

                  western allies are the most reliable allies laughing
        2. Kaa
          Kaa April 30 2013 08: 05
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          just you will pay more
          In Ukraine, in such cases, they say - "In spite of the enemies, I will sell a goat, baby milk ne yily!"
          1. folds
            folds April 30 2013 09: 55
            +7
            In Ukraine, in such cases, they say - "In spite of the enemies, I will sell a goat, baby milk ne yily!"
            "Knock out my eye - let my mother-in-law have a son-in-law" :)
        3. gazovic
          gazovic April 30 2013 09: 59
          0
          And they will pay more, and they will also think how to steal
      3. Kaa
        Kaa April 30 2013 08: 18
        +6
        Quote: MG42
        as for Ukrainian oligarchs are hardly landing possible.

        VAAPROS, KANESHNA, INTERESTING. Recently one article came across here, with excerpts: “A number of conflict situations around the assets of Igor Kolomoisky reflect the involvement of the Family in conflicts with the most powerful oligarchs of Ukraine. the conflicts at the center of public attention indicate that the Family has gone or is going on the warpath with Igor Kolomoisky. " The escalation of the conflict line with Kolomoisky is a tactical unfolding of the storyline with the knocking out of large oligarchs from Ukraine. The first alarm bell in public space was the fuss associated with the "unsatisfactory quality of fuel" at Ukrnafta gas stations. The second move in the storyline with Kolomoisky was the unexpected (again for the public, but not for market insiders) situation with the bankruptcy of Aerosvit The call to the “Kolomoisky situation” was Rabinovich's interview, where he, characterizing the threat of closure of the Arsenal football club, said in black and white: “We have lost two of our largest financial sponsors. Igor Kolomoisky was among the “those” biggest sponsors. “There is information that Igor Kolomoisky is threatening to collapse the hryvnia if attacks on his business continue. It is worth noting that Kolomoisky is perhaps the only oligarch of this level in Ukraine, whose interests are poorly represented in the legislative and executive authorities, and the security forces. However, he is the only oligarch whose influence on the country's economy can be most tangible. Privatbank is the most powerful financial structure in Ukraine, and any slightest changes in its work can significantly correct the situation in the country. We can talk about both the collapse of the hryvnia exchange rate and more radical measures: the one-time closure of Privatbank branches and the failure of ATMs can be less than in a day to transfer Ukraine to "martial law" "We see the redistribution of property in the secondary market. Kolomoisky's companies want to take it away, and he artificially bankrupt Aerosvit in order to move assets abroad. It is clear that Kolomoisky fell under the hand. ”However, it should be noted that, like Akhmetov, Kolomoisky is on friendly terms with his head and realizes all the risks associated with the loss of control over the situation in the country. Therefore, he will go for a radical scenario if he is not left with an option to act differently than "pan abo missing"
        A moderate strategy will be related to the loss of a key asset or pair. Then, most likely, by the summer-autumn of 2013 the oil industry will be confiscated, but the same Privatbank will remain under the control of Igor Kolomoisky. Despite the similarity of images, the political system of Ukraine differs from the Russian one, both in the characteristics of interdependencies between key actors and in a different characteristic of the masses. Plus, the influence of external actors plays a completely different meaning. Therefore, the Khodorkovsky variant is unlikely here. Rather, the good old Ukrainian model of a war of all against all is more likely. "Docks don't overdrive one by one." http: //hvylya.org/analytics/politics/znakomtes-nash-hodorkovskiy-igor-va ...
        1. MG42
          MG42 April 30 2013 09: 00
          +7
          Quote: Kaa
          VAAPROS, KANESHNA, INTERESTING

          Here is a photo of Kolomoisky and Rabinovich who the 3rd Jew is not there, but Ukrainians in Ukraine are not the ones who rule it for sure, but the main oligarch Akhmetov is a Tatar. By the way, on YouTube there are curious wiretaps of conversations between Kolomoisky and Kernes have something to listen to.
          1. yak69
            yak69 April 30 2013 14: 19
            +3
            Quote: MG42
            photo of Kolomoisky and Rabinovich who the 3rd Jew is there I don’t know, but not Ukrainians rule in Ukraine, that's for sure,

            Who would doubt that!
            And in our country they do not rule ?!
            Tell me a place where they do not steer. Probably in Japan there are Japanese Jews.
            1. yak69
              yak69 April 30 2013 14: 26
              +2
              In general, the development of events is expected. When all these Yanukovychs will understand that they have nowhere from us! It is necessary to use the situation and "help" Ukraine to realize its future and prosperity in the brotherhood of Slavic peoples. (this is not about Poles and Czechs)
              1. ramzes1776
                ramzes1776 April 30 2013 23: 36
                +2
                Quote: yak69
                In general, the development of events is expected. When all these Yanukovychs will understand that they have nowhere from us! It is necessary to use the situation and "help" Ukraine to realize its future and prosperity in the brotherhood of Slavic peoples. (this is not about Poles and Czechs)

                And I thought that Yanukovych was at least a little, but our man ....
                1. MG42
                  MG42 1 May 2013 18: 33
                  +3
                  Quote: ramzes1776
                  And I thought that Yanukovych was at least a little, but our man ....

                  Well read it ...
                  These are the discussions in Ukraine >>> from an open letter from the leader of the PSPU N. Vitrenko
                  Your father, Yanukovych Fedor Vladimirovich, was a policeman, and your grandfather, Yanukovych Vladimir Petrovich, was a White Guard?
                  http://vitrenko-sev.at.ua/news/otec_v_f_janukovicha_byl_policaem_a_ded_voobshhe_
                  chjort_znaet_chto / 2012-06-10-1476
                  http://www.ldo.su/t82651.html
                  http://tol-nabat.info/main/11860.html
                  They managed to open the secret of his father with some archival documents, which give reason to believe that Fedor Yanukovych, either after recovering from his wounds, or after desertion, collaborated with the Nazi occupiers.

                  Neslovohotliv Viktor Fedorovich and about his paternal grandfather.
                  According to family tradition, and from Viktor Fedorovich himself, it is known that the family came from the village of Yanuki in the Vitebsk region of Belarus. It is difficult to verify this version today - during the Great Patriotic War, the invaders utterly burned the village, and the residents were shot.

                  Other sources claim that the grandfather of Viktor Yanukovych, Vladimir Petrovich Yanukovych served in the Civil War in the White Guard units, upholding the ideals of autocracy with a saber in his hand. At the head of the punitive detachment, he carried out cleansing operations in Ukrainian villages, who dared not to recognize Soviet power.
            2. MG42
              MG42 1 May 2013 18: 48
              +1
              Quote: yak69
              Tell me a place where they do not steer.

              Cool cat on the avatar +. Russia even has an autonomous region with its capital in Birobidzhan. Yes they rule.
              Somewhere I met curious pictures with a percentage of the population and nationality in power, well, and moneylenders naturally from ancient times still knew who you were.
        2. Don
          Don April 30 2013 12: 07
          +1
          Quote: Kaa
          The third bell in the “Kolomoisky situation” was an interview with Rabinovich, where, characterizing the threat of the closure of the Arsenal football club, he said in black and white: “We lost our two largest financial sponsors. Among the “same” largest sponsors was Igor Kolomoisky

          He already refused Kryvbass and Volhynia to finance.
          Quote: Kaa
          associated with the "unsatisfactory quality of fuel" at the gas stations of "Ukrnafta"

          It seems to me that Ukrnafta will be taken away, or forced to sell.
          Quote: Kaa
          Privatbank is the most powerful financial structure in Ukraine, and any slightest changes in its work can significantly correct the situation in the country.

          They are unlikely to go bankrupt.
      4. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 30 2013 15: 41
        +1
        Landing - no. Exposure of the butt (followed by this ... that ... well, you understand laughing ) yes, as much as you want! Very soon their money will be plucked from them. Just because why would they leave them? These "oligarchs" cannot protect money, the Ukrainian army is sad but not scary. The Ukrainian economy is rather ridiculous .... I think they are already being expropriated. They cannot simply announce this, then they will take the last away!
    2. Phantom Revolution
      April 30 2013 08: 59
      +1
      Yes, no one will sit down, everyone is tied up, even a janek in this business. It’s like RF with EBNE
    3. Don
      Don April 30 2013 11: 44
      0
      Quote: Ruslan67
      The question arises, do the oligarchs themselves not understand that beyond a certain line they themselves will sit naked in the puddle?

      What does the oligarch have to do with it?
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 April 30 2013 18: 20
        +1
        Quote: Don
        What does the oligarch have to do with it?

        Despite the fact that it’s they who are afraid of the TS –– ours will come with big money and state support and local people will remain bare-back hi
        1. Don
          Don 8 May 2013 09: 51
          0
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Despite the fact that it’s they who are afraid of the TS –– ours will come with big money and state support and local people will remain bare-back

          Nonsense. Think for yourself. What does the TS to corporations. And without joining the TS, controlling stakes in our Ukrainian corporations can be bought. Evraz Group bought all its metallurgical assets from Kolomoisky, and in return gave 9% of the shares of Evraz. ISD also sold them 51% of the shares not for cheap, but Taruta still remained on the board of directors. So the locals won't go backwards. They have not much less money. So it's not about the oligarchs.
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg April 30 2013 11: 58
      0
      Quote: Ruslan67
      I don’t even want to gloat sad Got game up to the handle fool The question arises, do the oligarchs themselves not understand that beyond a certain line they themselves will sit naked in the puddle? I’m silent about politicians


      Plus, of course, with one amendment, not gloating, but the satisfaction of the results achieved, and it pleases by the way.
    5. Sashko07
      Sashko07 April 30 2013 14: 58
      +2
      They won’t sit in any puddle, they will earn their own money and dump them over the hill.
    6. Genady1976
      Genady1976 April 30 2013 16: 09
      +1
      the oligarchs stole themselves and the people they do not care
      happen that they oligarchs shed over the hill and that's it
      who said I don’t remember after us at least a flood like that
  2. Canep
    Canep April 30 2013 05: 51
    +4
    Three EU countries refused to sell Russian gas to Ukraine. I think they are afraid that Russia will raise their price in the next negotiations on the purchase of gas. If it is more profitable for Ukraine to buy Russian gas in Europe, then Gazprom is probably selling gas to Ukrainians very expensive.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 30 2013 06: 15
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      If Ukraine is more profitable to buy Russian gas in Europe, then Gazprom must sell gas to Ukrainians very expensive
      The relations between Russia and Ukraine are so confused that now, if we take a specific position (gas, fleet, etc.), we are tearing each other ... We have gas, we will return the money we pay for the Navy’s Sevastopol base .. There is a company in Ukraine, Antonov, will pull funds for the development and modernization of AN ...
    2. Kaa
      Kaa April 30 2013 08: 35
      +3
      Quote: Canep
      Gazprom must be selling gas to Ukrainians very expensive.

      “The price of Russian gas for Ukraine in the first quarter of 2013 is expected to be about $ 432 per thousand cubic meters,” Deputy Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine Volodymyr Makukha told reporters. In the first quarter of 2013, according to Makukha, “the price will remain somewhere at the same level as in the IV quarter. "When asked by journalists, whether the price will be around $ 432, he said:" somewhere plus or minus, we do not expect big rises or falls of this price yet. " According to NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine, in the 2012st quarter of 416 the price of gas was $ 2012 per thousand cubic meters, in the 2,1nd quarter of 425 it increased by 2012% - to $ 0,23 per thousand cubic meters. In the 426rd quarter of 1 the price increased by 2012% - to $ 432 per 160 thousand cubic meters. The price of Russian gas for Ukraine in the IV quarter of 40 will amount to $ 30 per thousand cubic meters. As previously reported, Russian President Vladimir Putin mentioned a possible discount on gas for Ukraine only on condition of its accession to the Customs Union.Also Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov said that o Russia will reduce the gas price for Ukrainian consumers to $ XNUMX, subject to Ukraine joining the Customs Union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. The Prime Minister stressed that joining the Customs Union as a whole meets the national interests of Ukraine, since about XNUMX% of Ukraine's international trade turnover accounts for on the countries included in the CU. According to the Prime Minister, on the other hand, XNUMX% of international trade turnover falls on the EU countries and, accordingly, the accession to the free trade zone with the EU and political association with the EU - “this is in the national interest.” // news .eizvestia.com / news_economy / full / stala-izvestna-cena-rossijskog
      o-gaza-dlya-ukrainy-v-pervom-kvartale-2013-goda
      1. andrejwz
        andrejwz 1 May 2013 01: 03
        +1
        Quote: Kaa
        Vladimir Putin mentioned a possible gas discount for Ukraine only if it joins the Customs Union. Also, the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov said that Russia will reduce the price of gas for Ukrainian consumers to $ 160

        This is not really about a discount or reduction in gas prices, as a condition, or a fee for Ukraine joining the Customs Union (no, no, you won’t be forcibly sweet). The fact is that in case of joining the Customs Union, Ukraine will pay for the gas received at the domestic prices of the Customs Union
    3. Phantom Revolution
      April 30 2013 09: 20
      +1
      The fact is that Ukraine is not a stable buyer, debts are higher than the roof. And some have already observed how the Russian Federation knocked out money for gas.
  3. domokl
    domokl April 30 2013 05: 55
    +8
    Another proof of what Ukraine is for the EU. Beautiful words and other things are forgotten right after the country becomes dependent. The Ukrainian president will have to beg further and agree to plunder what remains ... Clamped the country from all sides ...
    The idiocy of leadership in action ...
    1. Phantom Revolution
      April 30 2013 09: 28
      0
      Yanek still wants to relax in Nice, and not in Sochi. Don't be surprised if he gets paid the CIA salary.)
  4. kind
    kind April 30 2013 05: 58
    +4
    “Ukraine expected much more when it became a member of the Energy Community. We complied with a lot of rules that were defined, however, we didn’t receive answers and substantial assistance from the Energy Community on key issues. ”

    Here they are, the sweet fruits of the European Union! I am surprised at the shortsightedness of the Ukrainian authorities: it would be better to be without gas, if only not with Russia. Well, then it will be worse. Then, as always, Russia will be to blame for everything.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 30 2013 13: 40
      +5
      Quote: Good
      I am surprised at the shortsightedness of the Ukrainian authorities:

      Quote: domokl
      The idiocy of leadership in action ..

      And do not be surprised. A. Vajra wrote:
      “There has been a professional, cultural, intellectual, spiritual and moral degeneration of the ruling Ukrainian elite. Moreover, the degeneration is catastrophic. I once wrote about this during the Orange regime, but I will repeat again: UKRAINE IS RULED BY OLIGOPHRENES. This is not a metaphor. There are no emotions here. This is a statement of a medical fact. For twenty years Ukraine has been ruled by individuals with persistent underdevelopment of the psyche, first of all, underdevelopment in the field of intellect, which is accompanied by moral backwardness, depression of the emotional-volitional sphere, inhibition of speech functions.
      This may sound offensive, but alas, this is a FACT. And the state the country is in is just a consequence of this. The actions of Ukrainian officials and many businessmen can only be understood through the prism of applied psychiatry. To a large extent, many of the country's troubles stem from the primitiveness and squalor of our ruling elite. "
      XXXX
      And so it is necessary to consider all our bedlam and the rampant nationalists ... yes that's all! from economy to politics!
      1. Curculum
        Curculum April 30 2013 14: 23
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        A. Vajra wrote:

        Hi
        No matter how critical I was of the activity of A. Vajra, but the "diagnosis" indicated by you, he "put" to the very point, as it is grit: neither add nor subtract.
  5. valokordin
    valokordin April 30 2013 06: 03
    +1
    We sell gas to Ukraine at 2 times cheaper than Geyropa, why does she buy gas from Geyropa, it is not clear at what price, and my sister does not have reverse pipelines. Some kind of bluff, or mattresses pay for gas. It’s like in an anecdote, in spite I’ll bite, but not m ... holes.
    1. MG42
      MG42 April 30 2013 06: 13
      +3
      Quote: valokordin
      We sell gas to Ukraine 2 times cheaper than Geyrop

      Well, not 2 in Ukraine, the price grew. gas in the 2nd quarter of 2013 >>> approximately $ 426\ 1000 cc m
      http://banker.ua/bank_news/tec/2013/03/19/1180459727/
      Yes, and the transport shoulder is slightly less than before the EU.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 30 2013 06: 15
      +6
      Quote: valokordin
      We sell gas to Ukraine 2 times cheaper than Geyropa, why does it buy gas from Geyropa,

      With what fright we sell them cheaper, sell at European prices and not cheaper. The only thing that in Ukraine is believed that the price is too high and the contract is bonded, that’s why brains are being given to everyone who is not lazy.
      They would have joined the CU a long time ago and would have received gas at domestic prices, but there is no way to see gingerbread more beautiful in the EU.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa April 30 2013 08: 41
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        With what fright we sell them cheaper, sell at European prices and not cheaper
        On the whole - yes, the schedule is small, but the cost for Ukraine is one line above the yellow stripe - the AVERAGE EUROPEAN PRICE. There are exceptions. Gazprom supplies the cheapest gas to the UK ($ 313,4 in January – June 2012). Here is the most competitive market in Europe with a large share of spot trading, and Gazprom’s share in it is only about 10%, says Dmitry Alexandrov, head of the analytical research department at Univer Capital. Macedonia cost more than others ($ 564,3 per 1 thousand cubic meters), Poland ($ 525,5), Bosnia ($ 515,2), Czech Republic ($ 503,1) and Bulgaria ($ 501,0). The state monopoly supplies gas to the countries of the Old World under separate agreements, while the price is traditionally tied to the oil basket and fluctuates following world oil prices with a delay of about six months. In this case, the initial price in the contract is set individually. Gas is most expensive for countries that do not have alternative sources of supply, analyst at IFD Capital, Vitaly Kryukov. Macedonia and Bosnia are completely dependent on Gazprom, Bulgaria - 90%, the share of the Russian company in the markets of Poland and Bulgaria exceeds 60%. Affect the price and volume of purchases: delivering billions of cubic meters of gas per year by pipeline is cheaper than transporting a small amount, and the pumping rate is laid down in the total cost of blue fuel.
        http://voprosik.net/ceny-na-rossijskij-gaz-v-evrope-2012/
      2. core
        core April 30 2013 10: 04
        0
        FUCK THEY ARE HERE NEEDED, the very place in them is gyrop, I learned how to do without Ukrainian fat, I have my own fat.
    3. domokl
      domokl April 30 2013 06: 18
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      We sell gas to Ukraine at 2 times cheaper than Geyropa, why does she buy gas from Geyropa
      The question of price can be discarded ... There is a dark forest .. The President of Ukraine tried to get off the energy (gas) needle ... By practically cutting off the gas, we can kill the Ukrainian industry within six months ...
    4. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 April 30 2013 08: 25
      +2
      Quote: valokordin
      it is unclear at what price, but the sister has no reverse pipelines.


      we are talking about not consumed gas by the geyropa itself.
      Ukraine has underground storage facilities. In the event that there is unused gas, so that the EU does not pay a fine for this, then Ukraine will pump it into storage facilities and we = muzzle and not a fine. And then trade their stocks in case of need for excess then selling to get their own.
      those. bypass the contract and become an intermediary on the costs of delivery technology!
      Well, if the Ukrainians had not thought of this then, then this is a sign of the end of the nation.
      Maybe something like this ...
      1. Phantom Revolution
        April 30 2013 09: 41
        +3
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        Well, if the Ukrainians had not thought of this then, then this is a sign of the end of the nation.
        Maybe something like this ...

        Or someone leads a specialist to the 90s.
  6. MG42
    MG42 April 30 2013 06: 06
    +8
    Ukraine expected much more when it became a member of the Energy Community. We complied with a lot of rules that were defined, but did not receive answers from the Energy Community on key issues and substantial assistance.

    Here is a good example that Europe will not help in difficult situations, they have their own problems, after weighing the pros and cons there they relied on the supplier of Gazprom than on transit Ukraine.
    Recent attempts by Ukraine in this area to find an alternative have grown. gas are chaotic, remember only the scandal with the LV terminal signed a type with the Spaniards, I didn’t even have the authority to sign the gas .... Turkmen gas also had a lot of talk, but delivering it to Ukraine except by airships bypassing Gazprom.
    Now shale gas, which threatens the already bad ecology in the Donbass, has also reached the point where it is heated with straw briquettes ...
    new reverse purchases in Europe but their volume is small.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa April 30 2013 08: 46
      +3
      Quote: MG42
      but its delivery to Ukraine except on airships bypassing Gazprom
      Well, if you download pure methane, the airship will fly, but with propane-butane - khan, there will be no take-off force laughing
    2. gazovic
      gazovic April 30 2013 10: 14
      +2
      There are no reverse gas pipelines in Europe apart from Germany, and nobody is going to invest in the construction of reverse jumpers (in order to save a country that nobody needs, sorry Europe is not needed). To date, there is no extra bean in Europe and is not expected in the near future.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 April 30 2013 10: 19
        0
        And what if Russia doesn’t give a shit? Uncle Sam will also help! And ... What do you think?
        1. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac April 30 2013 20: 30
          0
          Quote: Den 11
          And what if Russia doesn’t give a shit? Uncle Sam will also help! And ... What do you think?

          but there are no trues. how to bring gas from America. dummies can and will. but gas will not blow
  7. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb April 30 2013 06: 16
    +1
    Of course, it is a pity the Ukrainian people, but based on the actions of their government, most likely in the near future Ukraine will lose its status of a gas transit. I hope this will not happen, but this is exactly what is going on.
  8. djon3volta
    djon3volta April 30 2013 06: 25
    +7
    I want to warn you right away, and some people like to say that in Russia gas remains for 20-30 years. in Russia scouts there will be enough gas reserves for 200 years. and there are still unexplored deposits ..
    look for confirmation links yourself who you need, I read this last year.
    Ukraine, with its pseudo independence, harms first of all its people and enterprises that pay a high price for deliveries. Here Belarus does not go awry, they say we are with gravy, and therefore receives cheap gas and oil.
    1. Curculum
      Curculum April 30 2013 10: 30
      -3
      Quote: djon3volta
      explored reserves

      Could you clarify the origin of the word "intelligence"?
      If from the word "intelligence", then I dare to assume the presence of grammatical errors, due to which some variants are possible:
      1) divorced (divorce, divorce);
      2) unless the bottom (in the context of an interrogative sentence);
      3) once driven (one-time dependent);
      4) intelligence (intelligence or intelligence).
      In three ways, your statement is inadequate.
      The same applies to "unexplored deposits".

      PS In the word "more" 5 mistakes can be made: "istcho".
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 30 2013 14: 26
        +2
        Quote: Kurkul
        Could you clarify the origin of the word "intelligence"?

        could not.
        only today I have already mentioned that if a person has nothing to say in fact, or as an excuse, then he either turns to personality, or he searches for spelling errors in words.
        1. Curculum
          Curculum April 30 2013 22: 25
          +1
          Quote: djon3volta
          if a person has nothing to say in fact

          In fact, I said earlier, you are not careful.
          Quote: djon3volta
          or in excuse

          Do I owe you or insulted something? What did he blame before you in order to make excuses? He just pointed out the difference in meaning depending on the reading.
          Quote: djon3volta
          he either turns to personality, or he searches for spelling mistakes in words

          This is absolutely useless, tk. such "arguments" are always cited to justify their own illiteracy. But if you take spelling errors (not typos) for granted - your right. For someone, for example, sitting in an elevator is also normal (excuse: "what is natural is not ugly"). But the main thing is not to express your thought, it is much more important to be understood, which, in turn, engenders mutual understanding, which leads to the success of the development of any society (couples, groups, regiments, states - it does not matter).
          The example with Ukraine is an illustrative one (you are also saying about this), when illiteracy (remember Azarov's speech) "goes around" and his subsequent actions in the role of prime minister of such a rich (no sarcasm) country. When he spoke Russian (under Kuchma) and was the "creator" of the tax service, such filthy speeches and actions were not observed with him.
          Sorry for the "many bukoff".
  9. Renat
    Renat April 30 2013 06: 41
    +3
    What did they expect from the EU? There is nothing to be surprised at.
    1. folds
      folds April 30 2013 10: 09
      +1
      Let me paraphrase a little: "We gave up the ass to everyone we agreed upon, and we were given only one of the 4 promised candy" :) geyrop, what to take from them.
  10. Bykov.
    Bykov. April 30 2013 07: 07
    +3
    ... A number of EU countries have denied gas transit from Europe to Ukraine ...

    "For evil, mother-in-law, I will frostbitten my fish soup" ... it is not clear what exactly Kiev was counting on, coming out with such proposals to these Europians. Not that Europe will supply and sell them gas cheaper than they bought it from Gazprom, just to annoy the Kremlin?
  11. crambol
    crambol April 30 2013 07: 32
    +2
    Everywhere money, money, money.
    Money everywhere, gentlemen!
    And without gas, life is bad
    Not good for anything!
  12. KCC
    KCC April 30 2013 07: 36
    +4
    Ukraine is a rich and independent power, it can afford to overpay for gas, and indeed for anything if only to buy this product not in Russia. But seriously, what kind of policy is the Ukrainian government doing and its prospects, I'm afraid they can’t answer themselves, but pays for all the people of Ukraine.
  13. pensioner
    pensioner April 30 2013 07: 50
    +6
    The great Ukrainian dream "Khazpisyat" is going further and further. But seriously, if Ukraine does not feel this time too, HOW Europe is able to "throw" the weak - well then I don’t know .... As in the well-known joke about a person who constantly falls out of the window - "The trend however."
    1. Curculum
      Curculum April 30 2013 10: 04
      +5
      Quote: retired
      HOW Europe is able to "throw" the weak

      And this is not a "kidok", this is a "sucker's scam": Whose company is RWE? German, and they didn't know about "technical" problems? Come on, their share in the joint venture alone indicates that there are specialists of the highest gas qualifications. Therefore, the trap had been preparing for a long time, but Gazprom's employees silently watched and laughed. And the contract has already been signed ... And not fake, as is the case with the terminal ...
      For me personally, the conclusion is simple and obvious: Boyko-Azarov and others like them as statesmen - none... They can only sound like "SP and UP won't stand the frost ..." or something like that. In a word - raguli.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner April 30 2013 10: 20
        +1
        Quote: Kurkul
        And this is not a "kidok", this is a "sucker divorce":

        Right, damn it!
  14. pensioner
    pensioner April 30 2013 08: 48
    +1
    By the way. In Ukraine, gas pipelines have been diagnosed (and the Germans are). Yushchenko gave everything to them. This year we are returning there. A little expensive, apparently, to be friends with the Germans. Yes and hemorrhoids with them. And the quality of the examination is not better - this is at least.
  15. VadimSt
    VadimSt April 30 2013 08: 57
    +3
    We followed a lot of rules that were determined ...
    Soon they will decide to become Ukraine cancer - also stand up? Or maybe we’re already standing ...
    1. botur
      botur April 30 2013 10: 10
      +1
      Quote: VadimSt
      We followed a lot of rules that were defined.

      While fulfilled, the rules have changed.
  16. Day 11
    Day 11 April 30 2013 09: 16
    +3
    You’re not going anywhere from us, a territorial entity called Ukraine! How do you call us? -Deer chewing reindeer? -Get it! I have nothing against ordinary Ukrainians, hard workers, but you have power ... Only together we are strong!
  17. wulf66
    wulf66 April 30 2013 09: 19
    +7
    Sympathy for the common people of Eastern Ukraine.
    1. MG42
      MG42 April 30 2013 12: 06
      +4
      THX. + Ordinary people in the East of Ukraine are not to blame for these dismantlings of politicians, but are forced to bear a common burden with the Galicians = as a rule, subsidized areas dominate in western Ukraine, which are fed by the industrial East. And the argument for raising tariffs by local authorities is quite simple - Russia raised the price, about Ukrainian. gas for the population under the law is silent at the same time.
      1. MG42
        MG42 1 May 2013 23: 51
        +2
        I will add that it is fair to have European prices, having the level of the average European salary >>> in order to pay off without problems. Of course, this is not a problem for Russia, but rather a problem for Ukrainian. the leadership that they wanted and got it, they wanted to insert a RUE intermediary, so it began ...
  18. irka_65. irina
    irka_65. irina April 30 2013 09: 23
    0
    They climbed into the EU. Squeaked, but climbed. Well now what? We saw the eyes that they bought, now eat, at least get out.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 30 2013 09: 41
      0
      Irina, you have so much anger towards the Ukrainians! Something personal?
      1. irka_65. irina
        irka_65. irina 1 May 2013 09: 44
        0
        To ordinary people of Ukraine, what anger can there be? I sincerely sympathize with them. What is happening in Ukraine in recent years is terrifying to any person. Their government is moronic. (However, like many states lol )
  19. radio operator
    radio operator April 30 2013 09: 33
    0
    I do not envy, am. They apparently wanted the best ...
  20. Vtel
    Vtel April 30 2013 09: 33
    +2
    “Ukraine expected much more when it became a member of the Energy Community. We complied with a lot of rules that were defined, but we didn’t receive answers and essential assistance from the Energy Community on key issues ”

    They wanted it, they got it, that is, a muzzle with a geyvropeyskom relish, and then they are worse than you, they are also pulled from Russia, they do not roll a freebie, only for sovereignty.

    Civil War. In the trench:
    - Petro, look, isn’t he running?
    - Yes, definitely!
    - And let's hit him with a gun?
    - What if he smells the same in us?
    - So, and in us for what?
  21. Day 11
    Day 11 April 30 2013 09: 38
    +1
    In general, the article is bad, not a good article. You don’t need to raise this bucket now! They want to try to be independent, let them try (though this issue has dragged on). It’s necessary to reach them sometime, only if we are together with us they will be considered! They want to join the gay community, haha. Not our values! Are the truth Ukrainians?
    1. avt
      avt April 30 2013 09: 59
      +2
      In general, Azarov and Yanukovych were otropacked, then they sat down .... but the fish didn’t bring them request laughing Well, Ukraine’s European choice, given to a specific sensation, but they seem to like it. Not for nothing that they with the Gishpan ski instructor ... signed the papers. Have you thought about liquid gas agreed? Well, we will continue to observe this tragicomedy, although this spectacle is rather fed up, everything is predictable.
  22. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 30 2013 10: 15
    +2
    The current contract was signed by Tymoshenko, she is, according to all the rules, and skims the cream off of it. There is no legal basis for the unfaithful to renegotiate a new contract, most likely some penalties have been spelled out. Tymoshenko most likely covered up her interests, and to conclude a new one - to include Yanukovych's share in the price The price is already high, but it will be even higher, and again, "Russia the villain wants to cash in," so we are waiting for either the end of the current contract or the change of Yanukovych (which is more likely) and then time will tell.
    1. WW3
      WW3 April 30 2013 12: 24
      +3
      Quote: mhpv
      , so we are waiting for either the end of the current contract or the change of Yanukovych (which is more likely)

      Putin does not stake on him, since he has already congratulated him prematurely on his victory in the elections, it looks like a business executive from Yanukovych at the level of the director of the motor depot, where he began his career. "How did you stay like that", and two trips to the zone bear an imprint. The fish rots from the head.
  23. avt
    avt April 30 2013 10: 20
    +2
    Quote: mhpv
    and then time will tell.

    request Time will tell what is already known, the sum does not change from a change in the places of the terms, well, you can still follow Krylov, where ... and you friends, no matter how you sit down ... "I say - with the European choice of Ukraine, the whole future is absolutely predictably, one can only argue about the timing of the events. request
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 30 2013 11: 10
      0
      Well, this "wheel", it seems to me, is unlikely to come to geyropa. lol
      Pans of Pshek will quickly settle on their cart laughing
  24. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO April 30 2013 11: 14
    +2
    The amazing authorities of Ukraine. Endlessly test the patience of Russia, build intrigues and problems at every turn. As a result, it would be expensive to buy Russian gas from the Germans at three times. A typical budget cut by the president and prime minister of Ukraine. I wonder when the leader of a patriotic nation will appear in Ukraine?
  25. avt
    avt April 30 2013 11: 25
    +2
    Quote: GOLUBENKO
    I wonder when the leader of a patriotic nation will appear in Ukraine?

    The Washington Regional Committee has already appointed a campaign to the National Patriot - Klitschko. It remains only to vote them until they turn blue until they choose. laughing Experience is already there, worked out on Shrek.
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 30 2013 11: 48
      +2
      Kiev will become the second Las Vegas, and the building of the government house will become the Mandalay Bay casino sparring partner Yanukovych
  26. Pacifist
    Pacifist April 30 2013 13: 01
    0
    When, finally, it comes to the Ukrainian authorities that Europe needs them only as a means of pressure on Russia, a sort of pseudo bugbear. Otherwise, she didn’t fuck them.
    1. family tree
      family tree April 30 2013 16: 12
      +3
      Quote: Pacifist
      When, finally, it comes to the Ukrainian authorities that Europe needs them only as a means of pressure on Russia, a sort of pseudo bugbear. Otherwise, she didn’t fuck them.

      Quote: Egoza
      Fidget SU Today, 13:40 ↑ And do not be surprised. A. Vajra wrote:
      “There has been a professional, cultural, intellectual, spiritual and moral degeneration of the ruling Ukrainian elite. Moreover, the degeneration is catastrophic. I once wrote about this during the Orange regime, but I will repeat again: UKRAINE IS RULED BY OLIGOPHRENES. This is not a metaphor. There are no emotions here. This is a statement of a medical fact. For twenty years Ukraine has been ruled by individuals with persistent underdevelopment of the psyche, first of all, underdevelopment in the field of intellect, which is accompanied by moral backwardness, depression of the emotional-volitional sphere, inhibition of speech functions.

      Mental retardation (dementia, oligophrenia; other Greek ὀλίγος - small + φρήν - mind, reason) - “persistent, irreversible underdevelopment of the level of mental, primarily intellectual activity, associated with congenital or acquired (dementia) organic brain pathology. Along with mental deficiency, there is always an underdevelopment of the emotional-volitional sphere, speech, motor skills and the whole person as a whole
      When they eliminate this mental retardation, then it will come, not earlier.
  27. Sashko07
    Sashko07 April 30 2013 18: 26
    -2
    Quote: domokl
    . We have gas, we will return the money that we pay for the Sevastopol base of the Navy

    Regarding this base, Russia pays something about 10% of what they have to pay, because a lot of premises and zones were not legally seized which, according to the agreement between Ukraine and Russia on the Black Sea Fleet, should not be the last to leave. I am silent about several about lighthouses.
    1. family tree
      family tree April 30 2013 21: 33
      +4
      Quote: Sashko07
      Regarding this base, Russia pays something about 10% of what it should pay, because a lot of premises and zones were not legally seized which, according to the agreement between Ukraine and Russia on the Black Sea Fleet, should not have been withdrawn last.

      Agreement between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on the parameters of the division of the Black Sea Fleet (1997. 28.5)
      Article 8

      Disputes regarding the interpretation and application of this Agreement shall be resolved by the Joint Commission established in accordance with Article 24 of the Agreement between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on the status and conditions of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation on the territory of Ukraine dated May 28, 1997. If the Mixed Commission cannot resolve the dispute submitted to it, it will be resolved through diplomatic means as soon as possible.

      And until 2004, for 7 years, everything suited everyone. Since 2005, a continuous series of provocations, often at the level of the vagaries of a pregnant woman
      2008 On August 20, an action was held by the Ukrainian fleet in Sevastopol, during which the Kakhovka missile boat (UMF) was to prevent the Mirage missile systems, which had previously been involved in forcing Georgia to peace, at the bases of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. The rally failed due to the incompetence of the Ukrainian military, who had not been repairing the ship for a long time - the diesel engine broke at Kakhovka, the end broke off at the tug sent, and the Kakhovka was towed by a Russian tug.


      On June 2009, 23, Ukrainian police officers detained the official bus of the Black Sea Fleet with 30 sailors, who were following Mount Opuk to the marines training site. The verification of documents lasted more than 20 hours and ended with the compilation of protocols on an administrative offense under the article “Violation by foreigners and stateless persons of the rules of stay in Ukraine” and the entry of one of the servicemen into a military hospital with heat stroke
      2011 According to the decision of the Economic Court of Crimea on August 2 of this year, the lighthouses of the Russian Black Sea Fleet were to be seized by Ukrainian bailiffs.
      This is just a statement of fact. I do not hope that oligophrenics and criminals can behave rationally.
  28. Anton Russian
    Anton Russian April 30 2013 19: 08
    +2
    Why do we need light and heat if there is gas independence from Russia? What they wanted was what they got)
  29. UFO
    UFO April 30 2013 22: 10
    +2
    "You pidmanula me, you pidwila me ...", and what did they expect from Geyropa. tongue
  30. Captain45
    Captain45 April 30 2013 22: 41
    +2
    Something I did not see in the table among the largest exporters of the USA with their target gas. And the fact that Ukraine was denied export, I think it was not in vain that Putin recently traveled to Europe on visits. Here on File-Ru I read a note that the EU, in confirmation of its loyalty to the ideals of the enlightened Geyropa, offered Ukraine to hold in Kiev in May gay pride. So we will see. If they agree, and after that they let gas, then they are 3,14 rubles.
  31. piksel
    piksel 1 May 2013 01: 32
    +2
    The reverse is only on paper! In fact, there is enough Ukrainian gas to provide the people in the country in full, but the problem is sorely lacking to provide metallurgical and chemical enterprises "owned" by the oligarchs. Naftogaz is the official importer of gas to the country, and so he (Naftogaz) in 2012 bought gas from Gazprom at an average of 400-450 dollars per 1000 cubic meters, but the firtash (vile oligarch) bought gas from Naftogaz at 180 dollars per 1000 cubic meters, and he himself sold gas to regional gas companies at an average price of 800-1000 dollars per 1000 cubic meters. You feel the difference. On Ukrainian television, there was even a fuss about the sale of gas seems to the Lviv region gas at 1000 dollars. So what? And nothing made noise 1 day and that's it. It is not only the Firtash who does this, all the oligarchs do this, this is where their managerial talent lies. In my subjective opinion. If all this trash, whether Ukrainian or Russian, to put in equal competitive conditions with industrialists of the same Europe, then they will go bankrupt in a year, maybe two. They are just mediocre and stupid, I'm sure of that.