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Lukashenko abdicated the Russian air base in Belarus

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Alexander Lukashenko has denied the words of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu about the creation of a Russian military facility in Belarus. However, Kommersant sources say that aviation the base will nevertheless be built, and the statement of Alexander Lukashenko is a "curtsy" towards NATO.


On April 23, during his visit to Minsk, Sergei Shoigu told about plans to build a military facility, where fighters will be based. According to him, the first regiment should appear there by 2015 year. Two days later, the President of Belarus clarified that this is only about the supply of Russian aircraft to the armed forces of Belarus. “We are buying Russian Su-27, MiG-29 or more modern aircraft to ensure the inviolability of the borders of our state. As commander-in-chief, I lack two dozen modern aircraft today. ” Also, according to him, Russia will supply four divisions of C-300 complexes.

Shortly before Lukashenko’s speech, the Polish ambassador to Minsk, Leszek Szerapka, noted that his country had not received enough information about the Russian military base, stressing that Belarus "should take into account international obligations." Perhaps it is with these hints that Lukashenko’s statement is connected.

Nevertheless, his statements surprised the Russian military. “We have reached quite specific agreements on the location of the air base, and now the statements of our Belarusian colleagues look like an attempt to justify themselves to third parties for normal relations between the two countries,” a source in the Defense Ministry told Kommersant.

By the way, an ambitious project may have difficulties not only because of the global community, but also because of the legal peculiarities of the country. The Constitution of Belarus establishes its neutral status, which does not provide for the possibility of creating a military base on its territory.
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  1. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt April 29 2013 12: 45 New
    +9
    Journalists again misinterpreted everything ...
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 April 29 2013 13: 04 New
      14
      Not the journalists, but the cunning fox Lukashenko is cunning again - both ours and yours. And the base will still be, although it’s cunning but not stupid, relations with Russia are much more important for him than relations with the West.
      1. eagle11
        eagle11 April 29 2013 13: 10 New
        +2
        It is imperative that our troops be, nothing can be given! However, I already wrote on a similar topic. Politics, the matter is very delicate.
        1. matryoshka
          matryoshka April 29 2013 15: 20 New
          -4
          Вы писали eagle11: "Теперь рассмотрим, так в приближении, военный конфликт, какой конфликт может тут возникнуть(если это конечно не мировая война), даже не представляю, чтобы атаковать Россию именно со стороны Беларуссии. Мировая война не предвидится, допустим региональная война. Тут конечно понятно, Белорусь никак без России, если лезут на неё, а если цель Россия? Все конфликты которые у нас были на Западе, показывают что останавливаем мы врага, как правило у Москвы. Если кто-то думает, что сейчас все конечно будет по другому, снимите очки. Представьте себя на месте Лукашенко, у него выбор, либо никуда не влезать, конечно с экономическими и политическими потерями, но сохранить страну целой, или сделать свою страну полем боя и превратить в руины (тут кто-то писал, что белорусам надо продержаться до подхода наших войск, без комментариев, человек точно не знает, как сейчас воюют,кто и что может воевать и как). И вы серьезно думаете, он скажет:"Ляжем за братов наших!" Так что, всё это политика, а Лукашенко умный политик." Тут все сказано, как говорится, этого стоило ожидать.
          1. eagle11
            eagle11 April 29 2013 15: 33 New
            +6
            Так люди не читают, не думают. Точнее думают, но только о себе, тот кто меня минусует, скорее всего сидит в пределах Центральной России, и плевать ему что там за Уралом. Угроза у них одна, с Запада! А с востока, это далеко и не интересно... Но, для "односторонних "урапатриотов" могу сказать, что возможности ВВС РФ и ВВС НАТО, немножко (примерно на порядок) меньше. Сейчас в Зокняе всего лишь звено, а за 10 дней, там может появиться экспедиционное авиакрыло с континентальной части. Как говориться , был бы повод. США, всегда очень оперативно реагирует на изменение обстановки. Для справки, в МО РФ до "гениальных" сокращений, информационным противоборством занимались 300 человек, сейчас ... А в США, как и прежде 5000 человек!
          2. Diligentreader
            Diligentreader April 29 2013 16: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: matryoshka
            Imagine yourself in the place of Lukashenko, he has a choice or not to get anywhere, of course with economic and political losses, but to keep the country whole

            Это выбор абсолютно надуманный. Нет у него такого выбора. Не может страна таких размеров и ресурсов, как Белоруссия быть "одна". Второй Швейцарии ну никак не получится. А делать выводы по тому, что он говорит - дело пустое. Сколько уже предсказателей на этом обломалось. :)
            1. Cadet787
              Cadet787 April 29 2013 16: 36 New
              +1
              DiligentReader.
              If all the gods, dear A.G. Lukashenko, pray, then he will certainly break his forehead, such a truth of life.
              1. Diligentreader
                Diligentreader April 29 2013 16: 44 New
                +5
                А почему вы решили, что он "всем богам молится"?
                Как политик он обязан использовать ВСЕ возможности. В политике не понятий хорошо/плохо, есть целесообразно/нецелесообразно. Тем более, что "правда жизни" такова, что я не считаю правильным играть с противниками "честно". Честно можно только с другом. Причем это останется втайне между друзьями. А на войне - как на войне.
                Причем, если судить по источнику "информационного вброса", то вовсе не важна тема дискуссии, - а налицо желание заронить мысль о якобы существующих разногласиях между Белоруссией и Россией.
                1. Dilshat
                  Dilshat April 29 2013 19: 24 New
                  +1
                  А если Лукашенко станет выгодней "дружить"с Европой чем с Россией?Он что станет "дружить" с Европой?Если западЛО и будет "дружить" с Лукашенко то только временно и только против России.Если порвут Россию то и остальной славянский мир сотрут.В стороне тут не отсидишься.Договориться не получится,это хорошо знают сербы,Каддафи,Саддам.Целесообразность на шаг вперед и на два шага вперед бывает очень разная.
                  1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
                    NOBODY EXCEPT US April 29 2013 20: 37 New
                    -2
                    Especially like the SLAVES, Kakddafi and Sapdam .... fuck what nonsense are ..
                2. Egoza
                  Egoza April 29 2013 19: 26 New
                  0
                  Quote: DiligentReader
                  А почему вы решили, что он "всем богам молится"?

                  Вот именно! Спросили там европейские соседи, ну ответил...а что опять надо было говорить "базу для хранения картошки совместно строим"? Вот как построят, тогда и разберутся, а "чего это мы тут построили"? А пока пусть "суседи" молчат, а если и спохватятся, то попозже.
                  1. olegyurjewitch
                    olegyurjewitch April 29 2013 20: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: Egoza
                    А пока пусть "суседи" молчат, а если и спохватятся, то попозже.

                    Ага,"суседи" молча соглашаются то на размещение ПРО НАТО,то радары всякие...
                  2. de klermon
                    de klermon April 29 2013 20: 17 New
                    +2
                    Ну, если это была конспирация, то тогда надо было отвечать, что "в связи со сложным рельефом местности точно установить характер, количество и назначение возводимых Российский Федерацией обьектов не представляется возможным..."! И западенцам спокойнее: "если даже белорусам пофигу, то мы-то что шухер поднимаем?", и России не обидно! Вот, что в политике и дипломатии называется компромиссом!

                    And if without jokes, then the situation looks very much like either paranoia or unscrupulousness ... Moreover, who exactly behaved unscrupulously or inadequately will be clearer after intelligible comments of the Russian Defense Ministry! .. By the way, when you need to support the Old Man, s-300 to donate, to stand in front of the European Union for him, to plant a loan, to create a positive entourage for the elections, then Russia, as a maritime boat, does not begin to wobble ...
          3. Heccrbq
            Heccrbq April 29 2013 22: 09 New
            0
            Is it precisely because of how the wars are happening now that Belarus will not be in ruins, do we need airplanes and saturated air defense, or do you think there will be Belarusian, Ukrainian, Stepnoy, etc. fronts, avalanches of tanks and infantry?
        2. Jurkovs
          Jurkovs April 29 2013 18: 55 New
          0
          I also wrote something similar, but our patriots banned me nobly.
      2. Renat
        Renat April 29 2013 13: 19 New
        0
        Old Man is far from an ordinary person. It is understandable. He became president. He knows how to get his dividends from any situation.
        1. Jurkovs
          Jurkovs April 29 2013 18: 59 New
          0
          If Belarus could absorb Russia, I would be the first to vote for Lukashenko. But the reality is that Lukashenko should look back more often at Russia, especially when the microphone is in his hands. Now, when the enemy stands at our gates, we will begin to recall the failed union, and who was especially proud.
          1. de klermon
            de klermon April 29 2013 20: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Jurkovs
            If Belarus could absorb Russia


            If you try to eat something that is incomparably larger in size and mass than you, then it will most likely tear you up! Into parts!
            I treat my blood brothers too well to even wish them something like that in scary dreams!))
            I know one thing: we should always support Belarusians and under any conditions, but at the same time I really want to count on reciprocity !!!
      3. lubin
        lubin April 29 2013 14: 55 New
        +1
        Dad does everything right request Nefig poddyak know about our plans.
      4. Nick
        Nick April 29 2013 15: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        Lukashenko is again cunning - both ours and yours.

        But observes the interests of the country.
        Not according to words, but it is necessary to judge by deeds. Wait and see...
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg April 29 2013 16: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        Not the journalists, but the cunning fox Lukashenko is cunning again - both ours and yours. And the base will still be, although it’s cunning but not stupid, relations with Russia are much more important for him than relations with the West.


        All the same, the zhurnalyugi misinterpreted. But the Polish statements just do not have to worry Old Man, he can lie anything about his plans, the sovereign state no matter how.
      6. Villi
        Villi April 29 2013 20: 10 New
        0
        "...хитрит - и нашим и вашим." - хитрит, но только "нашим". Мы нейтральное государство и законодательно не имеем права размещать на своей территории воен. базы других стран. НО, размещать самолеты и войска РФ на территории "Бел." баз мы можем, при таком варианте мы и авиабазу получим и бюрократичных проволочек избежим.
        1. marshes
          marshes April 29 2013 20: 16 New
          0
          Quote: ViLLi
          . We are a neutral state and legally do not have the right to deploy a military on our territory. bases of other countries

          And you can read an excerpt from the constitution, on account of this.
          1. Villi
            Villi April 29 2013 20: 35 New
            -1
            Republic Law
            03.01.2002/74/XNUMX No. XNUMX-З
            MILITARY DOCTRINE OF THE REPUBLIC OF BELARUS
            .
            Priority tasks of the Republic of Belarus are protection
            state sovereignty and political independence,
            ensuring territorial integrity and inviolability of borders
            State.
            http://mod.mil.by/koncep.html
            .

            As follows from this, the deployment of foreign bases on the territory of the state is a violation of the concept of national security of the Republic of Belarus
            1. marshes
              marshes April 29 2013 20: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: ViLLi
              As follows from this, the deployment of foreign bases on the territory of the state is a violation of the concept of national security of the Republic of Belarus

              Sorry, I'm not a canine lawyer, but there I don’t see anything that would be written about violation of sovereignty. Indeed, if we take Kazakhstan, we also do not see violation of sovereignty in the fact that we have Russian bases, only few people know about them and who knows them nevermind.
              1. Villi
                Villi April 29 2013 22: 18 New
                0
                Оу, я не писал про "нарушении суверинитета", я писал о политической независимости кой нам постоянно "тычат" превращая нас в некий придаток РФ.
      7. vjhbc
        vjhbc April 30 2013 01: 45 New
        0
        here you are fools it will be a Belarusian base for storing equipment and Russian aircraft will be stored there, well, like you have a warehouse for prevention, and Russian pilots will protect it, well, like our potatoes went to dig or plant or sort out well, depending on the season
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        Not the journalists, but the cunning fox Lukashenko is cunning again - both ours and yours. And the base will still be, although it’s cunning but not stupid, relations with Russia are much more important for him than relations with the West.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 29 2013 18: 26 New
      0
      Transport plane crashed in Afghanistan

      A transport plane crashed at Bagram's largest US air base, 50 kilometers north of the Afghan capital. The plane crashed almost immediately after takeoff. Information about the victims and victims has not yet been reported.

      It is also not yet known how many people were on board a transport aircraft. ITAR-TASS emphasizes that the circumstances of the accident are being clarified.

      Through the Bagram airbase in the province of Parwan, cargo is delivered to the forces of the international coalition, which carry out an anti-terrorist operation on the territory of Afghanistan.

      For the delivery of goods, aircraft of civil airlines are also used, which are contracted by representatives of the forces of the international coalition. Including airlines and pilots of the republics of the former Soviet Union are involved in this work.
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 29 2013 12: 48 New
    +4
    By the way, an ambitious project may have difficulties not only because of the global community, but also because of the legal peculiarities of the country. The Constitution of Belarus establishes its neutral status, which does not provide for the possibility of creating a military base on its territory.
    But here's the answer. The base will be, but unofficially ...
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 April 29 2013 12: 53 New
      +1
      Nonsense Belarus is officially in the Union with Russia.
  3. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 April 29 2013 12: 49 New
    12
    Lukashenko officially refuted the intention to create an air base? Then a link to the source? where is published and verbatim? Rumors and claims from third parties are nonsense.
    1. botur
      botur April 29 2013 13: 16 New
      +8
      Глава государства также прокомментировал появившиеся мнения о том, что договоренности с Россией в военной сфере угрожают суверенитету Беларуси. "Даже те люди, которые говорят, что мы сдаем суверенитет, сами в это не верят. Вы знаете мой характер, и только исходя из этого вы понимаете, что этого никогда не будет. Я не тот президент, который кому-то отдаст что-то свое, не говоря уже о самом высоком – суверенитете. Ведь это моя конституционная обязанность – суверенитет и независимость нашего государства", - подчеркнул А.Лукашенко.

      Появившиеся негативные комментарии по поводу договоренностей с Россией президент назвал "политической борьбой". "Те, кто сегодня борется против Лукашенко, они пытаются его чем-то мазнуть. И в данном случае – что Лукашенко сдает суверенитет и независимость", - сказал президент. "Я даже не напрягаюсь по данному вопросу", - отметил он.

      "Какой здесь суверенитет? Здесь защита суверенитета и независимости нашей страны. А те, кто сегодня ноет и кричит, что здесь потеря суверенитета. . . Вот если бы пригласил сюда натовские базы, то они молчали бы", - заключил президент Беларуси.



      Read more: http://www.interfax.by/news/belarus/129189
      1. Genur
        Genur April 29 2013 13: 52 New
        +2
        "Что касается авиационной базы, это, может быть, несколько прозвучало как база. Нет, речь идет о поставке в наши Вооруженные силы (в какой форме, мы будем договариваться - база это будет или мы в существующие белорусские части поставим российские самолеты-истребители), этот вопрос обсуждается", - отметил Президент.
        "Как сообщалось, поставка Беларуси дополнительно четырех дивизионов С-300 и создание авиабазы обсуждалось 23 апреля на встрече Президента Беларуси Александра Лукашенко и министра обороны России Сергея Шойгу. "Мы приступаем к рассмотрению плана по созданию здесь российской авиационной базы с самолетами-истребителями. Надеемся, что в 2015 году здесь уже появится авиационный полк", - заявил министр обороны России. По словам Сергея Шойгу, в 2013 году предполагается создать в Беларуси авиационную комендатуру и поставить первое дежурное звено боевых истребителей. Кроме того, в 2014 году Россия поставит в Беларусь еще четыре дивизиона С-300 для защиты воздушного пространства."
        Source http://www.belta.by/ru/all_news/president/Lukashenko-ne-vidit-sdachi-suverenitet
        av-voennyx-dogovorennostjax-s-Rossiej-v-sfere-PVO_i_632690.html


        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER April 29 2013 17: 55 New
          +1
          The reasoning that Lukashenko will not allow the creation of an air base in the Russian Federation is at least not logical. Think yourself what is more profitable for Belarusians, to buy fighters from Russia and create their own powerful Air Force, or just let them create a base, and put money into development of their country? In any case, Lukashenko uses this opportunity in the interests of Belarusians! Yes, and it is wiser for us to have military bases not only on our territory but also somewhere between the NATO countries and our border .. The enemy must be met away from our gates ..
          1. marshes
            marshes April 29 2013 18: 02 New
            0
            Quote: DEfindER
            The reasoning that Lukashenko will not allow the creation of an air base in the Russian Federation is at least not logical. Think yourself what is more profitable for Belarusians, to buy fighters from Russia and create their own powerful Air Force, or just let them create a base, and put money into development of their country? Lukashenko uses this opportunity in the interests of Belarusians!

            I have the opinion that Belarusians have no money to buy new military equipment. It was stated literally a few months ago that Belarus was selling the Su-27, I hope that they will go to Kazakhstan.
  4. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 29 2013 12: 51 New
    0
    This is State Department propaganda. lol
  5. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 29 2013 12: 51 New
    +7
    The base will be! Just dad acts by their own methods, such as all is well, do not be afraid there will be nothing, we will buy a couple of pieces of planes and that’s it.
  6. Maximus
    Maximus April 29 2013 12: 57 New
    -3
    Эх батька, ну ладно там Янукович "на двух свадьбах гулять хочет", а Вы то тоже туда.....
  7. Manager
    Manager April 29 2013 12: 57 New
    11
    Provides, does not provide! Wed .... ahhh .... Th .... Wed we wanted to go to Geyropu from the USA. Let your wives teach you how to cook blue-blood monkeys. In our Slavic world, we ourselves will somehow figure out what to do and how to do it!
    1. horoh
      horoh April 29 2013 16: 47 New
      0
      That rightly said, Wed ... are we on a geyropu with a high bell tower !!!
  8. Septugian
    Septugian April 29 2013 12: 58 New
    -6
    A duck is not a duck, but now, like he said so specifically, during satellite tracking, it’s not realistic to hide the base, so it may be true, on another resource I read that Lukashenko was going to join the WTO, there were even links there, so that's for sure it’s not a duck, and it’s quite possible that he was given to understand, either the WTO or the base, and indeed, Lukashenko is already beginning to slowly merge Moscow’s position and is starting to look to the West! I know that you are going to blame now, but I ask for an explanation then, maybe I'm mistaken, but Lukashenka’s affairs suggest otherwise!
    1. afire
      afire April 29 2013 13: 11 New
      +1
      http://www.kp.ru/daily/26070.5/2976752/
      http://russian.rt.com/article/8075/
      http://belnovosti.by/politics/7759-lukashenko-nameren-kupit-20-rossiyskikh-istre
      biteley.html
      1. Septugian
        Septugian April 29 2013 13: 18 New
        -4
        That's all there is to it!
    2. Septugian
      Septugian April 29 2013 14: 33 New
      0
      Oh how, just like on the order started! lol
  9. avt
    avt April 29 2013 12: 59 New
    0
    request Well, maybe I decided to squeeze something else out of the topic, it is quite possible. Or maybe another magazine zher, usually they give a direct father-in-law text. While the article is muddy.
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch April 29 2013 20: 27 New
      0
      Quote: avt
      Or maybe another magazine zher, usually they give a direct father-in-law text. While the article is muddy.

      It is quite possible, all the more if Lukashenko made such a statement, it would naturally have found a response from our Defense Ministry, and the government probably did not say anything either.
  10. AnpeL
    AnpeL April 29 2013 12: 59 New
    -1
    Old Man handsome !!!
  11. Canep
    Canep April 29 2013 13: 04 New
    +2
    I know - the base will be,
    I know there is friendship
    when such people
    in the country in the Eurasian is!
    wink
    It will be the base Old Man of his pilots need to be trained.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 29 2013 19: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Canep
      It will be the base Old Man of his pilots need to be trained.

      And what? Be sure to call the base? Well, there’s a car fleet, a water park, there will be an air fleet! laughing
      Sorry for the offtopic, but as our media disseminate information ...
      "Вообще, это радио (украинский Радио-Рокс), меня периодически такими перлами балует... Да не обидятся на меня россияне, но где-то полгода тому, в тех же новостях (передают краткое содержание в начале выпуска, предложения начитывают подряд, без пауз):
      "По информации агентства Рейтерс, у Путина родилась дочь. Госсекретарь США Хилари Клинтон уходит в декретный отпуск". Вот о чем бы вы подумали, услышав такие два предложения подряд?" (с)
  12. Nymp
    Nymp April 29 2013 13: 05 New
    +7
    Никогда не доверял такой газетёнке как "коммерсант"! Враждебная всему русскому, падкая на доллар, ещё не обсохший язык после ельцинской задницы.
  13. aleks71
    aleks71 April 29 2013 13: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Lukashenko officially refuted the intention to create an air base? Then a link to the source? where is published and verbatim? Rumors and claims from third parties are nonsense.

    I completely agree with you .. Grigorievich has already set priorities for a long time, and this is Russia ... About the geyropu and Amurukan people he also spoke out repeatedly ... Hence the question ... Nah ... should I post any nonsense on a decent website? Opinion of the local contingent or mine into the subconscious? So the opinion has long been expressed and not once, well, but you can’t wait with a brother to argue ..
  14. EtickayaSila
    EtickayaSila April 29 2013 13: 12 New
    +6
    We haven’t heard anything in Belarus about Lukashenko’s refusal, source link
  15. afire
    afire April 29 2013 13: 12 New
    +2
    during the visit to our country of the Russian Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu, which took place at the beginning of the week, it was a question of deploying a Russian air base in Belarus, until 2015. At the same time, Lukashenko noted that this is just a military component of the Belarusian-Russian cooperation - The sovereignty of Belarus will remain untouched.
    that is, the Old Man expressed 2 opposite opinions during the week .... hmm
  16. Suhov
    Suhov April 29 2013 13: 27 New
    +1
    Shortly before Lukashenko’s speech, Polish Ambassador to Minsk Leszek Sherepka noted that his country did not receive enough information about the Russian military base, emphasizing that Belarus "should take into account international obligations. ” Perhaps it is precisely with these hints that Lukashenko’s statement is connected.

    It is not for you to judge how much information is enough.
    What Batko considered it necessary to inform, then you received.
    If I do not likethen - walk in the forest!
    laughing
  17. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 April 29 2013 13: 32 New
    +5
    Почему-то нАТа с сАШей где хотят, там и строят свои базы, и чихать хотели на чьё-то мнение, а Россия со своими стратегическими партнёрами всё время должны сверять свои действия с мнением цРу и странами блока нАТо - "как бы чего не подумали"... Вокруг России напичкали кучу стран своими базами, в том числе и еВропу ни на кого не оглядываясь и не оправдываясь...
  18. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 April 29 2013 13: 35 New
    +4
    Old Man is a bigger patriot of Russia than many in our Kremlin ... we need to put our own order in order for the Belarusians to work with us without looking back ...
  19. Genur
    Genur April 29 2013 13: 37 New
    +3
    Quote: Nymp
    Никогда не доверял такой газетёнке как "коммерсант"! Враждебная всему русскому, падкая на доллар, ещё не обсохший язык после ельцинской задницы.

    A PLUS
    1. Nymp
      Nymp April 29 2013 13: 55 New
      +3
      Slightly firmly turned out, but quite sincerely. Such zhurnalyugi against everything that unites the Russian peoples. They drive wedges into holy undertakings. I believe that as the military agreed with the Belarusians, it will be so! It is a pity that our military quickly believes in such a corrupt newspaper, it is evident that there are no political leaders in the army.
  20. Ivan.
    Ivan. April 29 2013 13: 52 New
    +1
    Polish Ambassador to Minsk Leszek Sherepka noted that his country did not receive enough information about the Russian military base

    The poor one was upset and hell with him, is NATO coming to the east? is coming! In connection with the violation of the treaty by the United States, Belarus is thinking about its withdrawal from the nuclear weapons treaty - yes. So Belarus has the right to have full protection of its borders and still accuse NATO of non-compliance, excess, ignoring, and even some kind of sanctions have been imposed against it!
  21. marshes
    marshes April 29 2013 14: 06 New
    +2
    Che didn’t understand, even we have Russians in Baikonur, Saryshagan, at some rented landfills and in other places. Something the Old Man got it wrong. smile
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 29 2013 16: 45 New
      +5
      Lukash, essno, is interested in strengthening his country. But Belarus is under the tough attention of the West. Any little thing can be used to undermine the situation in this country. They will pick up a bunch of topics for the white tape movement and then go out the carcass fire. The base must be placed carefully, carefully. Let it actually be Russian or Kazakhstan, but the main thing is to observe the rules of the international game - they say, our airfield, our equipment, our planes - and the Russians as temporary consultants, instructors (or think of some other excuse). And to speak as frankly as Shoigu did - this is revealing cards ahead of time. Lukashenko now needs to be explained to citizens that he was not going to violate the Constitution of Belarus, and to foreigners that he was not going to deploy Russian troops (aimed against the West, essno). In short, without thinking again, Moscow did stupid things.
      1. avt
        avt April 29 2013 18: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        Let it actually be Russian or Kazakhstan, but the main thing is to observe the rules of the international game - they say, our airfield, our equipment, our planes - and the Russians as temporary consultants, instructors (or think of some other excuse). And to speak as frankly as Shoigu did - this is revealing cards ahead of time. Lukashenko now needs to be explained to citizens that he was not going to violate the Constitution of Belarus, and to foreigners that he was not going to deploy Russian troops (aimed against the West, essno). In short, without thinking again, Moscow did stupid things.

        Well, yes, you have to maneuver, maneuver and not fish. In general, the CSTO and nothing concrete, the main process. Is there a shadow on the fence for whom to direct? Because they don’t understand who is doing what? And there is no need to explain anything to anyone if the Old Man is worn with a union state as if it were a written shell, and we will strengthen and strengthen the defense within this state. Moreover, given the unified air defense, it must be done under a single command, otherwise it’s just a hole and not even from a donut. And it’s not a problem to explain to a dad, and they didn’t make out such pretzels and explained so that they all shut up. In general, all declarations, union states, eurases, etc. clearly verified by deeds. It’s one thing to sign and sing at the screen, it’s quite another how far you are ready to go and whether you are ready. While the campaign in the Collective Security Treaty Organization has only been sewn in form with iPhone, it’s not going beyond conversations and meetings. In principle, nothing unexpected.
  22. Suhov
    Suhov April 29 2013 14: 20 New
    +6
    Quote: Septugian
    Lukashenko was going to join the WTO, there were even links there, so it’s definitely not a duck, and it’s quite possible that he was given to understand either the WTO or the base, and indeed, Lukashenko is already beginning to slowly merge Moscow’s position, and is starting to look to the West!

    If Lukashenko wanted to in the WTO, then why shouldn’t he scare western "партнеров"...
    But there is no question of merging the interests of the real partner of Belarus - Russia.
    A fundamental decision on the deployment of our aircraft in Belarus has been reached.
    And who will be at the controls of the above aircraft: Russians or Belarusians - it makes no difference.
    hi
    1. UFO
      UFO April 29 2013 14: 41 New
      +3
      Очевидно. Вам +. А насчет "говорильни", то я бы предпочел еще услышать новость типа : " Российские специалисты рассматривают варианты мест базирования ОТРК"Искандер" предоставленные Белорусской стороной"! wink
  23. Suhov
    Suhov April 29 2013 14: 27 New
    0
    Quote: plotnikov561956
    Old Man is a greater patriot of Russia than many in our Kremlin... we ourselves need to put our own order in order for the Belarusians to work with us without regard ...

    That's right!
    hi
  24. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich April 29 2013 14: 39 New
    -3
    This proves for the thousandth time - there should not be any military bases abroad. WE ARE GOING TO DEFLECT, rather than establish world domination like the States.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 April 29 2013 15: 06 New
      +6
      Quote: Semen Albertovich
      This proves for the thousandth time - there should not be any military bases abroad. WE ARE GOING TO DEFLECT, rather than establish world domination like the States.


      This is not for sure!
      Where it is possible and necessary - to put!
      Because - a preemptive strike must hang with the sword of Damocles! Retribution must be inevitable!
  25. romb
    romb April 29 2013 14: 58 New
    +5
    Вот почитаешь Российскую прессу, и начинают мысли лезть: на кого же вы в действительности работаете и чьи интересы защищаете. Говоря честно, эти самые "известия", "коммерсант" и прочие, уже изрядно подпортили отношения между ближайшими союзниками.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 29 2013 16: 39 New
      +5
      да пожечь ее надо целиком и полностью. это не пресса, а сплошные "скандалы, интриги, расследования".
      1. avt
        avt April 29 2013 19: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        да пожечь ее надо целиком и полностью. это не пресса, а сплошные "скандалы, интриги, расследования".

        request And who said or promised that with the death of Abramych and the expulsion of Gusinsky, their cause will die?
  26. Vtel
    Vtel April 29 2013 15: 35 New
    +1
    Усе нормально, наши СМИ пустили "утку"-закидушку с наживкой, как на то отреагирует Дикий Запад. Батька объяснил врагам, шо он только согласен на утят-«Мы покупаем российские самолеты Су-27, МиГ-29 или более современные, чтобы обеспечить неприкосновенность границ нашего государства.", а наживку, извиняйте товарищи-капиталисты жуйте сами, по вашей же методике - с размещением ракет в Гейвропе.
  27. shark
    shark April 29 2013 15: 38 New
    +2
    And the Poles are right there. We’ve completely lost our fear. Now we have to report about our bases))) And the Old Man is muddying as always. I’ve planned some combination, not otherwise
  28. NickitaDembelnulsa
    NickitaDembelnulsa April 29 2013 15: 45 New
    +2
    I bet that Lukashenko is playing, he is one of the most interested parties in the construction of the Airfield for the Russian Air Force. He is so interested!
  29. Nursultan
    Nursultan April 29 2013 16: 28 New
    +4
    Belarusians do not want. then put the airbase with us. as they say well that Kazakhstan fellow
    1. avt
      avt April 29 2013 18: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Nursultan
      Belarusians do not want. then put the airbase with us. as they say well that Kazakhstan

      Sure, not a problem . But why? It is real only for a single air defense, but here again organizational issues are raised above the head. Starting with combining national systems and ending with the command of the combined group. It's not a joke, who will give a command for destruction? But the decision-making time there is practically reduced to zero. Yes, and the consequences of the decision can be very serious. But seriously - are Russia and Kazakhstan ready for this?
      1. Nursultan
        Nursultan April 29 2013 19: 02 New
        +3
        sooner or later we will come to this anyway. that it will be necessary to combine both the Air Force and Air Defense. Create an integrated command to make operational decisions.
        1. avt
          avt April 29 2013 19: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: Nursultan
          sooner or later we will come to this anyway.

          It is better to do early on this issue, when no CSTO and even Borjos will help later.
    2. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 April 30 2013 10: 02 New
      -1
      I'm afraid that Kazakhstan will begin to speculate, as in Baikonur ...
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny April 30 2013 15: 26 New
        0
        I'm afraid someone will soon have a stomach ulcer popping up.
  30. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 29 2013 16: 34 New
    +4
    Опять российские чиновники (при всем моем уважении к Шойгу) тупят "нипадеццки". Вот нафига орать на весь мир об открытии военной базы на территории Беларуси? Нафига такое палево? Реально подставили Лукашенко.
    Prior to this, Russian politicians began yelling ahead of time to foreign journalists that the Eurasian Union is a political association. Here what for to reveal the cards ahead of time to enemies? Nazarbayev then also disavowed this message, saying that the Eurasian Union is purely economic integration. Of course, this is a political union, of course, this is a military bloc, but what for warn opponents in advance? Shoigu braked. Schia amers, Poles and other Baltic states will again begin to be indignant, and tie the creation of this base to some points in negotiations on other issues.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov April 29 2013 17: 27 New
      0
      Belarus is neutral, and the Russian Federation plays in Syria and Mali, they sent planes to the Swedish base both from the Baltic and from the north. There is no protection from the potential base, but getting a nuclear strike is easy. Lukashenko does not want to participate in these games, if he could, he would remove the locators with communication nodes - and so a quarter of the territory is radioactive.
      1. marshes
        marshes April 29 2013 17: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: Volkhov
        Belarus is neutral,

        But is Belarus not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization? The former USSR country which is neutral is Turkmenistan.
        1. Volkhov
          Volkhov April 29 2013 18: 54 New
          -1
          The CSTO did not even recognize Ossetia and Abkhazia, are they really ready to evaporate there for Syria and Africa?
          An explosion in Texas recently was.
          1. marshes
            marshes April 29 2013 19: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: Volkhov
            This CSTO did not even recognize Ossetia and Abkhazia

            Then if the incident goes, you can recognize Taiwan, Kosovo, and there the states that you want to receive are not dependent, you can recognize Ichkeria in one year. Is this a slippery slope?
        2. avt
          avt April 29 2013 18: 58 New
          0
          Quote: marshes
          But is Belarus not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization? The former USSR country which is neutral is Turkmenistan.

          Well, Uzbekistan too. But then again, the CSTO is not NATO or the Warsaw Pact. This is an amorphous structure that has not yet left the protocols of intent. Then to the structure operating under the same command as before the flight to the moon, at such a pace.
          1. marshes
            marshes April 29 2013 19: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: avt
            Well, Uzbekistan, too

            Uzbekistan, this state is unique; then I will decompose why it does not last long.
            Well, what about the Collective Security Treaty Organization, fiction? And they ended the war in Tajikistan, they took out Bakiyev, stopped the massacre, by the way, did yours and ours try to create advertising? Or the media wasn’t voiced by the media, a lot of business was done and is being done, we are not Americans to cover every step .
            I’ve heard about the clashes in the vicinity of the Turkmen border not long ago, it’s interesting! Something is true ... smile Shitty did not learn ... smile
            1. avt
              avt April 29 2013 20: 16 New
              -1
              Quote: marshes
              Well Th CSTO, fiction?

              Inadvertently read my previous comment, I did not say that it was a fiction. I said that for a military structure that implies, in addition to collective political decision-making, it is also necessary to have a very specific vertical military structure with the obligatory execution of its orders. Otherwise, there is no sense in the military component of the CSTO. But this fact is absent in fact. The secretariat does not count. What you are talking about is more suitable for special operations, this is different. God forbid if they reach the level of the Warsaw Pact. But so far, according to indirect data and taking into account the topic under discussion request As already said - at such a pace it’s easier to fly to the moon.
              1. marshes
                marshes April 29 2013 20: 49 New
                +2
                Quote: avt
                , which implies, in addition to collective political decision-making, it is also necessary to have a very specific vertical military structure with the obligatory execution of the orders it gives.

                Она есть и структура которая это осущевстляет есть,самое смешное что в прессе выкидывается на счет стран,входящих ОДКБ,негативное а структура работает.Просто такое ощущение что хотят что бы те страны которые входили в ОДКБ помахали "стержню" ручкой.Хотя если смотреть-кыргызы и таджики могут бегать на высоте свыше 3000 м уровня моря,по интересуйтесь
                at the expense of the heights of the Caucasus mountains and from 3000 m we can say life begins. smile By the way, I saw paratroopers who suffered from shortness of breath upon arrival at the KANT airbase.
                Another thing, if we take the air defense of the CSTO countries, it’s a pity that Ukraine is not included. Maybe we can compete in the flight hours of pilots, who comes first? Ours has an average of 120 hours.
                И еще почитайте кто и какие силы выставил "общее",мы кажись аэромобильную бригаду и бригаду морской пехоты.К стати наемчество у нас уголовно наказуемое но...
                1. avt
                  avt April 30 2013 11: 30 New
                  0
                  Quote: marshes
                  at the expense of the heights of the Caucasus mountains and from 3000 m we can say life begins. smile By the way, I saw paratroopers who suffered from shortness of breath upon arrival at the KANT airbase.

                  request ,,Горку "никто не отменял,кто бы сомневался что после перелета им адаптация нужна . Но опять же вы говорите о спец операциях ,но вот при создании например единой ПВО это эффективно работать не будет .
  31. Diligentreader
    Diligentreader April 29 2013 16: 37 New
    +4
    Quote: Septugian
    but Lukashenko’s affairs speak otherwise

    Начнем с того, что какие-такие "дела"? То, что он сказал на публику? Так это полная ерунда. Вон, западные политики не гнушаются нарушать подписанные договора, касающиеся Белоруссии (см. Будапештский меморандум), а нам что в "честных" играть что-ли? Пускай теперь репу чешут: Лукашенко "на запад хочет" или снова обманывает? Я вам скажу, что Лукашенко, при случае, и деньги с запада возьмет и дулю покажет. :) Перечислите, пожалуйста, то, что Лукашенко сделал во вред России за последние годы?
    About the WTO. And the fact that Russia itself consists of it, is that considered an anti-Belarusian step? :) Joining the WTO does not mean leaving the vehicle - this is the time. The second - after joining the WTO, the West will either have to lift its sanctions or have a return on the territory of Belarus.
    But in fact, we do not know about the agreements between Putin and Lukashenko. Both of them, as practice has shown, are very cunning foxes and so far no one has managed to predict what they had in mind. So what game they play with the West - time will tell.
  32. shitovmg
    shitovmg April 29 2013 16: 38 New
    0
    It’s annoying that we were again put on the edge.
  33. wax
    wax April 29 2013 17: 01 New
    +1
    Everything is fine. There is no need to joke with the Constitution. There will be a base. Belorussian. With our and Belarusian pilots and airplanes.
  34. gregor6549
    gregor6549 April 29 2013 17: 03 New
    +4
    Лукашенко никогда не отрекался от необходимости укрепления союза с Россией, в том числе и военного. Единственное от чего он отмахивался как черт от ладана это от настойчивых предложений некоторых российских дельцов захапать самые лакомые кусочки белорусской госсобственности, И молодец что отмахнулся, иначе на чем таскать "Тополя" и пр "деловую древесину" было бы сейчас большим вопросом. А в Белоруссии не только Минский Завод Колесных Тягачей является лакомым кусочком. Там таких кусочков множество. Опять же благодаря Батьке, который не дал их разграбить, хотя охотников разграбить, пардон прихватизировать, было более чем достаточно и в самой Белоруссии, и в России и в прочих дальних и ближних землях. Ведь многие белорусские предприятия были оснащены во врмена СССР самой передовой на то время техникой и технологией. И японские станки, и немецкие и французские. Далеко не все западные фирмы могли похвастать таким оснащением. Перечислять можно долго, но можно и не перечислять а сказать только то, что более верного союзника России, чем Белоруссия, не было, нет и вряд ли будет. Просто с ней, Белоруссией, нужно разговаривать по соседски, а не смотреть на нее свысока, кошмарить ценами на нефть, газ и другое сырье. Испортить отношения легко, починить трудно
  35. individual
    individual April 29 2013 17: 17 New
    +2
    Belarus in the person of its president is forced to play the game in the interests of its people. Yes, we see and recognize that it is balancing with success between Russia and the West. But he knows for sure that only Russia can protect him. He knows what resources we can offer him. And the rest is a game of conspiracy.
  36. Algor73
    Algor73 April 29 2013 18: 12 New
    +1
    Lukashenko cannot be understood with her mind. He is cunning, and also very smart, and still it will turn out the way he wants. And all the predictions are fortune-telling on coffee grounds.
  37. grandfather
    grandfather April 29 2013 19: 02 New
    +2
    so it seems to me that there will be no base, but there will simply be a strengthening of the current position, for which a couple of dozen aircraft will be enough.
    S-300 systems will be installed near an early outfitting station and that’s all, no international rights have been violated.
    Well, he won’t miss the onion once again on PR, that's all.
    1. avt
      avt April 29 2013 19: 18 New
      0
      Quote: bearded
      , no international rights are violated.
      Well, he won’t miss the onion once again on PR, that's all.
      Perhaps yes, it will, but Shoigu dunked specifically. laughing Type recouped for Putin's separation of flies from cutlets, at one time. laughing
    2. marshes
      marshes April 29 2013 19: 18 New
      0
      Quote: bearded
      why a couple of dozen aircraft and that's enough.

      Sorry, I wonder what kind of aircraft?
  38. family tree
    family tree April 29 2013 19: 24 New
    +5
    Alexander Lukashenko has denied the words of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu about the creation of a Russian military facility on the territory of Belarus.
    On April 23, during a visit to Minsk, Sergei Shoigu spoke about plans to build a military facility where fighters will be based
    What, damn it, what for the Russian military base? An ordinary Belarusian military facility. Well, think, the planes there are Russian, well, the Russian flyers, well, they obey the Russian command that you are all worried, they flew to visit. Base in Belarus? So Belarusian, so Poles and pass tongue
    1. Shturmovik
      Shturmovik April 29 2013 20: 50 New
      +2
      Well done!!!! I would like to rest there as well!
  39. darksoul
    darksoul April 29 2013 19: 56 New
    0
    Interestingly, I also heard that the agreement between Russia and Belarus on the air base has passed, it is not clear whether the media disinfect, Tolya Lukoshenko, who is wise, only the meaning of this maneuver is not clear ....
  40. DEDUCHKA
    DEDUCHKA April 29 2013 20: 38 New
    +1
    Lukashenko is a great diplomat. Able to adapt to both sides. But, in any case, the base to be. For this is the security of Belarus.
  41. ded
    ded April 29 2013 20: 43 New
    0
    When will the Russians understand that Luka does not need Russian military bases on the territory of Belarus.
    Он хочет рассказать очередную байку о "Союзном государстве" и получить на халяву (как это всегда и было) пару десятков супер современных самолётов. Лиж-бы что он не возьмёт! Он даже отказался брать по бросовым ценам су-30 которые белорусы ремонтировали для Индии.
  42. waisson
    waisson April 29 2013 20: 48 New
    0
    again they write that Belarus should comply and not the countries of the NATO bloc. The FATHER is still observing, but the pack of sha ... which curls around has long forgotten the terms of the contract
  43. dld35057
    dld35057 April 29 2013 21: 25 New
    +4
    Russian media provoke scandal between Russia and Belarus

    697562 This morning, several Russian media reported that the head of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, allegedly "refuted Shoigu’s statements about the creation of the Russian military air bases in Belarus."

    In the published materials, Russian journalists, tearing out the context of phrases from the interview of the Belarusian President given to journalists on April 26, "concocted" the sensational news about the new "blackmail" of Russia from Belarus. Former Prime Minister of Belarus Mikhail Chigir even suggested in his interview that Lukashenka’s true goal. He sang the "old song" about the next auction: "The President, making it clear that the creation of the base is still in doubt, seeks concessions in other important areas."

    In fact, if you listen to the original full version of the interview of the Belarusian President, then there was no refutation of Shoigu’s statement about the creation of military air bases of the Russian Federation in Belarus.

    Moreover, the Russian embassy did not see any contradictions in the statements of Shoigu and Lukashenko. According to Valery Bondarenko, senior adviser to the Russian Embassy in Minsk, Russia and Belarus are discussing ways to strengthen the Union’s defense capabilities, including the supply of Russian aircraft to Belarus or the creation of a Russian air base on its territory.

    “The Russian side has proposed a concrete possible scheme for deepening cooperation in this direction. In what form it can be implemented, the contracting parties will decide, including at the highest level, ”the Russian diplomat noted.

    Igor Nedoverov
    1. marshes
      marshes April 29 2013 21: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: dld35057
      Russian media provoke scandal between Russia and Belarus

      Ну че братья Белоруссы,то же под "раздачу" попали,привыкайте.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 29 2013 21: 52 New
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        Quote: dld35057
        Russian media provoke scandal between Russia and Belarus
        У меня тут две мыслишки:1)Переговоры о военном сотрудничестве между Россией и Беларусью ведутся на высшем государственном уровне и газетная шумиха лишь поднимает тиражи изданий,да формирует мнение простых людей о взаимоотношениях между нашими странами,но на ход переговоров не влияют никак.2)Считаю,было бы честно и правильно назвать первоисточник этой "сенсационной" информации.Конкретное издание,конкретный журналист.
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 29 2013 22: 28 New
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      я худею нафиг с российских СМИ... они за эти годы нанесли ущерба отношениям России с соседями больше, чем госдеп, сионисты и марсиане. что ни день - то жаренная новость от "российских информ-агентств", будь-то частные, будь-то государственные. у меня бы уже крыша поехала от такого оболванивания.
  44. piotr534
    piotr534 April 29 2013 22: 09 New
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    The Constitution of Belarus recorded its neutral status, which does not provide for the possibility of creating a military base on its territory.
    It turns out interesting and participate in the CSTO, does this neutral status allow?
    1. dld35057
      dld35057 April 29 2013 23: 40 New
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      Allows. the constitution spells out a ban on foreign adventures. but nothing about military formations and bases on our territory, so be calm - in Libya, in Syria, we cannot help. but here we can do whatever we want. and what is not enough? that our joint forces are annoying Nate to the fullest. you simply are not aware of the work of the organs which until now are sssssut with boiling water --- and this is a joint work.
  45. shurup
    shurup April 30 2013 01: 29 New
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    Shoigu made a slip of the tongue and apologize to alarmed Europe. He is excusable, he is a marshal, and not the president of a sovereign state.
    In fact, it will not be the Russian Air Force base that will be deployed, but a repair and modernization enterprise based on the aircraft repair plant of the Republic of Belarus for the scheduled repair and modernization of any fighters of the Russian Air Force with scheduled tests in real mode with combat load.
    If NATO so desires, Belarus will also take planes from them to improve performance.
    1. family tree
      family tree April 30 2013 14: 44 New
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      Quote: shurup
      If NATO so desires, Belarus will also take planes from them to improve performance.

      Yes Yes. Everything will be taken immediately, free of charge, and forever. laughing