Obsolete Element: Why Do We Need Tactical Nuclear Weapons?

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Obsolete Element: Why Do We Need Tactical Nuclear Weapons?


Our new TNW


First of all, it’s worth understanding why tactical nuclear weapons were invented in the first place. weaponThe first is to destroy enemy equipment and personnel concentrations near the front and in the shallow rear. The second is to disrupt the layered defense. One can also imagine the destruction of critical infrastructure far from the front. In the case of Ukraine, such targets could easily include dams, airfields, bridges, and major railway junctions. There is a term "escalation for the sake of de-escalation." In this case, TNWs are more of an element of psychological warfare—a few strikes on enemy territory could cool the ardor of Western sponsors and hasten the capitulation of the Kyiv regime. This is an option. The opposite scenario is no less plausible—the use of TNWs would lead to an escalation of the conflict and the direct involvement of the West. And then, even to the use of intercontinental missiles. missiles near.

Logic dictates that the most opportune time to use tactical nuclear weapons would have been the first weeks, even days, of a special military operation. The enemy hadn't had time to deploy combat units—most were stationed at their permanent bases. Methodical strikes with tactical nuclear weapons could have quickly and relatively painlessly depleted the Ukrainian army. Furthermore, weapons of mass destruction would have knocked out all military airfields with aircraft, which are still fully operational. Naturally, nuclear strikes would have been accompanied by a full range of collateral damage—massive civilian casualties, radioactive contamination, and a highly negative reaction from the international community. The debatable question is whether NATO forces would have joined the fighting after such a scenario. Regardless, no one has bothered to check.




Nuclear aviation RN-28 bomb

By mid-2023, it became clear that there were no longer any worthy military targets for tactical nuclear weapons in enemy territory. Perhaps only airfields with F-16s, but that was nowhere near the level of such powerful weapons. By that time, new weapons of mass destruction had emerged: drones In conjunction with reconnaissance and communications. From now on, any concentration at the front is excluded, not only at the corps and division levels, but also at the tactical level. Squads, platoons, and companies have lost their significance, becoming combat "twos" and "threes." The key is total, round-the-clock reconnaissance on both sides of the front, instantly identifying any concentration of equipment and personnel. In other words, there are simply no targets for a nuclear strike of any magnitude—command posts are dispersed and repeatedly camouflaged with decoys, and equipment and personnel are also extremely sparsely deployed along the front lines and in the rear.

These completely forced steps were only possible thanks to the widespread use of communications and visual surveillance. Regarding the military-industrial complex, the enemy has fragmented production chains, dispersing them across Ukraine. In the best traditions of the terrorist Hamas, they have shielded vital nodes with civilian targets. Only surgical strikes with missiles and kamikaze drones are depicted here. Some advocate massive nuclear strikes on Ukrainian border crossing points, claiming they are used to traffic military equipment and weapons. This is true, but cutting off the enemy from Western aid is impossible even by incinerating all of Western Ukraine—transport routes will always be found across the land border. Not to mention that such actions would provoke, to put it mildly, a mixed reaction from NATO.

We can speak with a high degree of certainty about the mutual adaptation of Russia and Ukraine to a modern type of warfare in which tactical nuclear weapons have no place. Again, the new nuclear weapons are aerial and space reconnaissance, communications, and mass Drones.

Psychology of the TNAO


Concerned members of the public often wonder why yet another Ukrainian Armed Forces stronghold can't be wiped off the map with a tactical nuclear weapon. For example, in Pokrovsk. A strike with a special munition, even from a 203mm Malka, would be the end of it. The approximate yield of such a weapon is two to three kilotons. What does this mean? It means that Russian units will have to withdraw one and a half to two kilometers from the strike point. Otherwise, they will all be killed or rendered combat-ready for a very long time. Evacuation cannot go unnoticed by the enemy and is extremely dangerous – it is during the withdrawal that the greatest losses will be inflicted. Moreover, the enemy will begin to follow, thereby devaluing the strike with a special munition.

The situation is further complicated by the width of the "gray zone," which in some cases can reach 10-15 kilometers, making any front line impossible. This isn't a front line, but rather forward groups scattered across the landscape, many of which are positioned behind the enemy, effectively encircled. If the target for a tactical nuclear weapon strike is moved further away to avoid friendly fire, the chances of hitting civilians are very high—after all, we're dealing with weapons of mass destruction, albeit tactical ones. Enemy propaganda will ultimately squeeze the maximum out of such an incident, painting a picture undreamed of. The military significance of a tactical nuclear weapon strike in this case tends to be negligible.


And another important aspect. Preparations for the use of tactical nuclear weapons are very difficult to conceal. Even during the deployment of special munitions, satellite and electronic reconnaissance (and possibly even agents within the country) will discredit the element of surprise. This is even if the preparations are concealed by exercises simulating the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Secondly, Russian troops near the expected strikes must be equipped with personal protective equipment, at least gas masks. The use of special munitions will only be practical if our units launch an attack after the explosions.

Incidentally, the attack will have to follow the old rules—all electronic equipment, primarily drones and their control systems, will be destroyed by electromagnetic pulses. Crossing enemy positions devastated by nuclear strikes will require wearing personal protective equipment. This requires serious preparation, which is also impossible to hide from the enemy. The element of surprise will be lost. Moreover, the coalition of adversaries (and even our supposed allies) may take preemptive steps, which are not difficult to imagine.

All of the above significantly discredits tactical nuclear weapons as a viable force argument. The enemy's invasion of the Kursk region particularly undermined faith in tactical nuclear weapons. Here, for purely political reasons, a demonstration of the power of Russian weapons was necessary. This was the thinking of many observers. But it didn't work out that way. Detractors concluded that the Kremlin would not necessarily use nuclear weapons if NATO soldiers set foot on Russian soil. This is a very dangerous conclusion, and some exalted European politicians (especially in the East) clearly believe it.
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  1. +9
    27 November 2025 03: 46
    The anticipation of punishment is often more terrible than the punishment itself.
    1. +34
      27 November 2025 06: 10
      The author does not quite correctly understand the goals and objectives of using tactical nuclear weapons; it is not only the destruction of enemy manpower, but also the destruction of enemy infrastructure and communications.
      Using tactical nuclear weapons, it's possible to achieve certain strategic military objectives, for example, by destroying the Beskid Tunnel, paralyzing the "lokhly" logistics. No one lives in the tunnel, so collateral damage would be minimal. They could also be used against underground gas storage facilities (UGS), bridges, and so on. In all these cases, the direct impact on people is minimal.
      1. wku
        -18
        27 November 2025 09: 55
        It's simply impossible to destroy a tunnel with a TNW; it can be temporarily disabled. The shock force of the blast wave isn't that great, and its propagation speed is much slower than a chemical explosion. It's possible to destroy it if a nuclear charge flies into the tunnel and is detonated in the middle, but it seems there are no such precise delivery systems.
        1. +4
          27 November 2025 10: 13
          Quote: wku
          It is possible to destroy it if a nuclear charge flies into the tunnel and is detonated in the middle, but it seems there are no such precise delivery vehicles.

          There!
          The existence of a nuclear warhead for the Iskander-M ballistic missile system is known. The yield of a nuclear warhead ranges from 5 to 50 kilotons, but when combined with its precision, this is sufficient to destroy any fortified target.
          In 1980, the Soviet Air Force adopted the Kh-59M universal high-precision air-to-surface missile, initially carried by the Su-24M bombers and now by the modern Su-30, Su-34, and Su-35S. At one time, a nuclear warhead with a yield of 3-5 to 50-100 kilotons was developed for the missile.
          Sea-launched cruise missiles of the Kalibr family can also be equipped with a nuclear warhead. In any case, it's technically not difficult to fit a nuclear warhead with a yield of 50 to 200 kilotons into a cruise missile's hull.
          The Kinzhal (air-launched missile system) can also be a carrier of tactical nuclear weapons.
          1. wku
            -20
            27 November 2025 10: 22
            Read my comment carefully. You need to fly inside the tunnel, the deeper the better. What kind of Dagger? The damaging effects of a nuclear explosion are generally not suitable for destroying a tunnel.
            1. +8
              27 November 2025 15: 21
              Yeah drop it
              Quote: wku
              The damaging effects of a nuclear explosion are not at all suitable for destroying a tunnel.
              A ground explosion, or better yet, one with a buried charge, exists precisely to destroy particularly strong underground structures. For a 50-kT charge, the diameter of the camouflaged cavity in rock alone is about 100 meters, and beyond that, a powerful seismic wave acts. Of course, if the tunnel is kilometers deep, it's impossible to reach. But a map of the tunnel's location is likely available, and an accessible point can be selected. However, with such explosions—with soil ejection—the radioactive contamination is extremely powerful.
          2. +2
            27 November 2025 11: 25
            Logistics in the VNA is based largely on transportation by trucks, etc. A tunnel can be destroyed by a penetrating charge deep into the rock.
        2. +6
          27 November 2025 11: 10
          Ummm.
          During our first nuclear test, three tunnels were dug beneath the blast site, at depths of 10, 20, and 30 meters. The tunnels had different structures and sections along their lengths. Even the tunnel at a depth of 30 meters, with its finish resembling that of a subway turret, suffered significant damage.
          A tactical nuclear charge is certainly weaker, but the tunnel design (and depth) are also not like those used in our first nuclear test. Not to mention that high-explosive depth charges are capable of accomplishing this task without the use of a tactical nuclear charge.
          1. 0
            12 December 2025 03: 05
            There are no "high-explosive depth" bombs, only concrete-piercing and bunker-busting ones.
        3. +3
          27 November 2025 12: 54
          It is simply impossible to destroy a tunnel with TNW

          You're a bit overzealous there. Russia has excellent nuclear weapons delivery systems for targets like the tunnel—the ORESHNIK, which, if deployed with a nuclear weapon, would not only destroy the tunnel itself but also dismantle it into its molecules, making reassembling the tunnel a very time-consuming process. And whether this would be possible is a BIG question!
      2. +1
        27 November 2025 14: 26
        It is also possible to use TNW against PGH (

        It is completely ineffective; the storage facility cannot be destroyed - it is a geological porous layer at great depth, drilled by wells.
        1. +1
          28 November 2025 21: 14
          Quote from Andy_nsk
          It is completely ineffective; the storage facility cannot be destroyed - it is a geological porous layer at great depth, drilled by wells.

          Radioactive contamination will make it impossible to use the storage facility for its intended purpose. An explosion could easily destroy the impermeable top layer that serves as the walls and lid of the UGS facility.
          1. +2
            29 November 2025 04: 19
            Radioactive contamination will make it impossible to use the storage facility for its intended purpose. An explosion could easily destroy the impermeable top layer that serves as the walls and lid of the UGS facility.

            Radioactive contamination will remain on the surface and is not so serious for tactical nuclear weapons.
            The charge also won't be able to penetrate the "roof" - which is hundreds of meters of clay and other impermeable layers.
            1. -1
              29 November 2025 13: 24
              Quote from Andy_nsk
              Radioactive contamination will remain on the surface and is not as serious for tactical nuclear weapons. The charge also won't be able to penetrate the "roof"—hundreds of meters of clay and other impermeable layers.

              Well, on the one hand, it's true that not every tiao can reach the required depth. I'm not prepared to answer that; you need to know the geological structure; rockets or bombs could damage the tire.
              Purely theoretically, we could try sabotage with a nuclear bomb. But we can't even properly poison it with polonium, let alone insert a nuclear bomb to the required depth. sad And yet it is technically feasible.
              However, if the entire ground infrastructure is destroyed by tactical charges, then restoration will be very difficult, including due to radiation, no matter how little there is.
              1. +1
                29 November 2025 18: 26
                Well, on the one hand, it’s true that not every tiao can reach the required depth.

                How deep are you planning to reach? UGS facilities in Ukraine are located at depths ranging from 400 to 2000 meters. Neither tactical nor strategic weapons can destroy them!
                1. 0
                  1 December 2025 00: 28
                  Well, I thought you understood how UGS works and how it works. I'm talking about technical Possibilities. We could use nuclear bombs, there's such a thing as tactical nuclear weapons. We can now drill to depths of 10 kilometers, so we're guaranteed to destroy it. We just need to capture it and hold it for at least a few months. Or conduct a covert operation.
                  But a more realistic option is to destroy the surface and partially downhole infrastructure with nuclear explosions. It's enough to destroy the compressor stations, and a nuclear explosion would vaporize a whole bunch of other essential equipment along with them. That's it. There's no underground gas storage facility as such, leaving only a very poor gas field. Everything could be restored, of course, but radiation, no matter how small, a huge crater (maybe two or three), inevitable damage or destruction of some wells, and possibly fires... Restoration could lead to a "gold is worth more than gold" outcome.

                  Quote from Andy_nsk
                  How deep are you planning to reach? UGS facilities in Ukraine are located at depths ranging from 400 to 2000 meters.

                  Well, 400 meters isn't that bad. To destroy the underground portion of a UGS facility, you need to know the geological structure and characteristics of the nuclear facility (at least its depth and thickness).
                  But here the situation “gold is more expensive than gold” is already for the “destroying” side.

                  In reality, no one will destroy underground gas storage facilities with nuclear weapons because they won't be used in principle, and if they do, more "worthy" targets will be found. So, this is just an argument for the sake of argument. My conclusion:
                  To destroy an underground gas storage facility with tactical nuclear weapons, turning it into a very poor gas field with uncertain development prospects, a combination of at least two nuclear explosions—a surface and an underground one—is sufficient. For example, a "Dagger" can be used, if it has a special warhead, such as a "Kaliber" or concrete-piercing nuclear bombs. This means reaching depths of 0-50 meters. The depth of the underground portion of the underground gas storage facility is not particularly important.
                  Let me remind you again that it's not the storage facility itself that's located deep underground, only its "container." Without the rest of the infrastructure, it's just a small gas field with dubious prospects. It's like if you were on vacation and pulled up to a gas station in your car, only to find the control room and pumps completely destroyed, and a Belaz truck dumped sand and manure on the underground tanks. It seems like you could dig it out if you got a shovel, but you only have 28 days on vacation...
                  1. 0
                    1 December 2025 14: 37
                    Well, I thought you understood how the underground gas storage facility is arranged and how it works.

                    I know how a UGS facility works, but you don't. Let's finish.
                    1. +1
                      1 December 2025 20: 28
                      Quote from Andy_nsk
                      I know how the underground gas storage facility works,

                      Gazprom? Well, yes, Gazprom employees are prone to delusions of grandeur. Sometimes it seems as if you're absolutely convinced that even nature should obey your management's orders. laughing
                  2. VlK
                    0
                    2 December 2025 19: 08
                    Yeah, and in response, they'll detonate a dirty bomb in the central square of your hometown. Have you decided where you're going to move with your family yet?
                    1. 0
                      3 December 2025 19: 56
                      Everything is moving toward a 50% chance that real nuclear weapons will start falling on my hometown. And you're talking about a dirty bomb.
                      But the debate is purely technical—can a UGS facility be destroyed with nuclear weapons? It's not a proposal to just bang it.
      3. -5
        27 November 2025 14: 31
        Nuclear weapons haven't been used since 1945. The reasons are radioactive contamination and morale. The first to use them will be blacklisted. All problems can be solved with conventional, powerful weapons. The author is absolutely right. Therefore, tactical nuclear weapons have not yet been used and are unlikely to be used under current conditions.
        1. +5
          27 November 2025 19: 15
          The US didn't get blacklisted for using Atom and then napalm. Why are you even talking about the list?
        2. +4
          27 November 2025 21: 14
          Quote: Alexander Odintsov
          The author is absolutely right.

          Right or wrong! But definitely not Lev! Because he refuses to read the tenets of our Nuclear Doctrine. Yet it clearly states in which cases nuclear weapons will be used. Yes, maybe not on our own territory, but why the author excludes strategic facilities on enemy territory is completely beyond me!
          And "under current conditions," there's no need to use nuclear weapons. But these conditions could change. What if (which is unlikely) NATO forces march en masse, for example, into the Kaliningrad region? Or into fraternal Bulbashiya? And what, are we supposed to watch calmly as new SS-Leuten tanks, with their vastly superior nuclear and conventional armament, tear through our lands?
          And here's a sweaty stump for them by the collar, as the 1st rank Janissary put it (from the film "72 meters") am
        3. +4
          27 November 2025 21: 49
          In your opinion, how soon will Israel be put on the "black list"? When (not IF, but when) will it have no other opportunity to strike Iran with nuclear weapons (or rather tactical nuclear weapons)? Or is this something else? Don't deceive yourself... Whatever Russia does (or doesn't do), the "collective West" will still have one verdict: GUILTY. Maybe it's time to stop sucking up. They still won't love us (yeah, like citizen Koreiko Ostap... with deep and sincere love). Our GDP is already old (yeah, superStar) and was brought up on... principles, but the new (possible) leader, who grew up on... yes, on the West's attitude towards Russia as a doormat, will be guided by the principles of the DPRK. If they don't like it, then let them be afraid... otherwise the phrase... we were deceived... will become... frequent... something like that.
      4. man
        0
        27 November 2025 15: 04
        Did you serve in Semipalatinsk or...?
      5. +3
        27 November 2025 20: 52
        Quote: Hunter 2
        With the help of tactical nuclear weapons, it is possible to solve certain tasks of the air defense system, for example, by destroying the Beskid tunnel, paralyzing the logistics of the suckers.

        No, no, you can't! Kitais begged me not to touch it... Yeah, right. Otherwise, their Silk Road to the European Union of Railway Transport will turn to ashes... That's why it's still functioning, despite being a pain in the ass. And the suckers' logistics are paralyzed by the destruction of rolling stock, especially locomotives and traction substations. It's more complicated with road transport, but there's some progress with trucks there too...
        Quote: Hunter 2
        use TNW against UGS (underground gas storage facilities), bridges, etc.
        These are all targets for the "iron 3000" missiles from the UMPK and Iskander-class tactical ballistic missiles. But the orders are not to touch them for now. Nuclear weapons on the bridges? Especially across the Dnieper? Seven of them are in Kyiv. And how do you imagine this? The Russians are destroying the infrastructure of the "Mother of Russian Cities" with nuclear bombs! Is that really it?
        (No-o-o...We don't need this kind of football! (c))
        Quote: Hunter 2
        use TNW against UGS (underground gas storage facilities), bridges, etc.
        So, the PGX has already been combed with regular FABs. And wow: they burn like crazy! Why hammer nails with a microscope when you can use a motorized hammer! laughing
      6. +2
        28 November 2025 12: 24
        First of all, TNW is intended for a breakthrough with the advancement of tanks through the contaminated area.

        For this purpose, the Soviet division had a separate missile division.
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  2. -6
    27 November 2025 03: 47
    The author forgot to mention that people in shelters within a radius of over 300 meters from the epicenter will certainly die, but only after several years, which isn't quite what was planned. The effect of a nuclear explosion will be much less than desired. The terrain will certainly be leveled and smoothed, but artillery and mortars in the rear will remain unaffected. In short, there will be a lot of noise and fuss, but the result will be close to zero. This is for an airburst. A ground blast would be even less.
    1. -3
      27 November 2025 04: 30
      Quote: Puncher
      In general, there will be a lot of noise and fuss, but the result will be close to zero.

      Therefore, it is necessary to strike the nuclear weapons at the decision-making center - this is only as a last resort.
      1. -8
        27 November 2025 04: 33
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Therefore, it is necessary to strike the nuclear weapons at the decision-making center - this is only as a last resort.

        And that won't achieve anything either. The decision makers are in hiding, from where only a precision-guided bunker buster with a special warhead can dislodge them, and we don't have any of those.
        1. -3
          27 November 2025 04: 40
          Quote: Puncher
          And this won't achieve anything either.

          Then what's the point of all nuclear weapons? What's the point? request
          1. -2
            27 November 2025 04: 58
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            Then what is the point of all nuclear weapons?

            We're talking about tactical nuclear weapons. I probably exaggerated a bit about their ineffectiveness; more accurately, I have serious doubts about our ability to use them effectively. Achieving the desired effect requires a very high level of organization, as they require massive deployments, all at once, with meticulous preparation of our units, which makes me a bit skeptical. We're not particularly strong in this area. That is, the time period from deployment to achieving a strategic result, which the enemy's allies will have to accept, is very short. For example, during the Cold War, our command's plans for using tactical nuclear weapons during an offensive in Europe to reach the Atlantic, as far as I remember, included a couple of weeks to block the possible supply of reserves from the US and to present the US leadership with the fact that if nuclear weapons were used, Europe would have to be destroyed. So, speed of action would prevent a global nuclear war. Well, at least that's what was planned.
            1. +2
              27 November 2025 05: 04
              Quote: Puncher
              Well, at least that's how it was planned.

              But now everything has changed: the theater of military operations, the methods of conducting them, and the equipment used...
              1. -5
                27 November 2025 05: 10
                Quote from Uncle Lee
                But now everything has changed

                In principle, it's possible to adapt to the new realities and prepare... But that takes time and resources. Forcing the Dnieper alone is worth something, and there's no other way. My point is, if we launch a series of tactical nuclear strikes tomorrow, both on the front lines and in the rear, it's not a given that we'll be able to reach the border with Poland and Transnistria in a short time. After the first strike, time will be on our side.
        2. man
          0
          27 November 2025 09: 10
          Quote: Puncher
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          Therefore, it is necessary to strike the nuclear weapons at the decision-making center - this is only as a last resort.

          And that won't achieve anything either. The decision makers are in hiding, from where only a precision-guided bunker buster with a special warhead can dislodge them, and we don't have any of those.

          I hope this discussion is purely theoretical?
          1. 0
            27 November 2025 10: 47
            Quote: mann
            I hope this discussion is purely theoretical?

            Do you suspect that Putin is trying to dispel doubts here? Of course it's a theory; this isn't "Suicide Club."
            1. man
              0
              27 November 2025 13: 45
              Quote: Puncher
              Quote: mann
              I hope this discussion is purely theoretical?

              Do you suspect that Putin is trying to dispel doubts here? Of course it's a theory; this isn't "Suicide Club."

              Phew... that's a relief... I was already afraid you were going to send Putin a petition with an ultimatum about the immediate use of nuclear weapons...
            2. man
              0
              27 November 2025 16: 08
              By the way, have you noticed? A gang of psychopaths has swooped in again, downvoted the thread without reading the comments, and then left. laughing It's just a shame that some veterans succumbed to the herd instinct... sad
              1. 0
                28 November 2025 04: 24
                Quote: mann
                Once again, a gang of psychopaths attacked the topic, put downvotes without reading the comments and left.

                Not worth paying attention to...
                1. man
                  0
                  5 December 2025 20: 26
                  Quote: Puncher
                  Quote: mann
                  Once again, a gang of psychopaths attacked the topic, put downvotes without reading the comments and left.

                  Not worth paying attention to...

                  Well, I usually find it funny... but here... I felt offended for my father... he was a very decent man...
        3. +1
          27 November 2025 11: 54
          It depends on the bunker and whether they'll manage to get in. And even if they do, let them sit there, trapped.
          But this is all just... a joke. If it comes to that, we'll all die in the cities!
      2. +3
        27 November 2025 08: 27
        at the decision-making center

        Let's just blast London?! I'm all for it.
        1. +2
          27 November 2025 10: 18
          Quote: a.shlidt
          at the decision-making center

          Let's just blast London?! I'm all for it.


          And you, excuse me, where do you live?
          1. man
            +1
            27 November 2025 15: 11
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Quote: a.shlidt
            at the decision-making center

            Let's just blast London?! I'm all for it.


            And you, excuse me, where do you live?

            In London, of course. Draws fire upon itself. smile
            1. +3
              28 November 2025 09: 15
              In London, of course. He's drawing fire.

              Will Putin nominate me for a state award for this? After all, I did draw fire, and on myself, no less.
              1. man
                0
                5 December 2025 20: 33
                Quote: a.shlidt
                In London, of course. He's drawing fire.

                Will Putin nominate me for a state award for this? After all, I did draw fire, and on myself, no less.

                And what if... London will also be named after you? smile
    2. man
      -4
      27 November 2025 09: 58
      The author forgot to mention that people in shelters within a radius of over 300 m from the epicenter will of course die, but in a few years, which is not quite what was planned.
      Comrades The author is the head physician of a mental hospital and is simply recruiting patients!
      And you gave in... now wait for the paramedics
      1. -1
        27 November 2025 10: 54
        Quote: mann
        And you gave in...

        So, it was necessary to clarify this, because there are plenty of hotheads, and many of them consider nuclear weapons some kind of magic wand that can solve all problems. This is understandable, as their superpowers have been hammered into people's heads for many years. Few realize that nuclear weapons have their own specific characteristics and their yield is somewhat more modest than expected.
        1. man
          0
          27 November 2025 14: 05
          Few people realize that nuclear weapons have their own specifics and their power is somewhat more modest than expected.
          Nuclear is possible, but thermonuclearDo you think we should save it for a rainy day? My father worked on the hydrogen project and witnessed that very same explosion on Novaya Zemlya in October 1961... During the "catastrophe," I broke it down into some details...
          1. 0
            28 November 2025 03: 49
            Quote: mann
            I observed that very explosion on Novaya Zemlya...

            Modern nuclear warheads are not 50 megatons, but 10-40 kilotons.
            1. man
              0
              5 December 2025 20: 15
              Quote: Puncher
              Quote: mann
              I observed that very explosion on Novaya Zemlya...

              Modern nuclear warheads are not 50 megatons, but 10-40 kilotons.

              Are you talking about tactical nuclear weapons?
              1. 0
                6 December 2025 04: 55
                Quote: mann
                Are you talking about tactical nuclear weapons?

                Yes
                1. man
                  0
                  6 December 2025 10: 14
                  Quote: Puncher
                  Quote: mann
                  Are you talking about tactical nuclear weapons?

                  Yes

                  But I said that the use of tactical nuclear weapons could, with a high probability, trigger a full-scale world war with the use of nuclear weapons, including thermonuclear weapons...
                  Sorry for the late replies, I've been away from VO for a while... I just got back yesterday...
                  1. 0
                    6 December 2025 11: 04
                    Quote: mann
                    the use of tactical nuclear weapons could, with a high probability, trigger a full-fledged world war with the use of nuclear weapons,

                    If the use of tactical nuclear weapons leads to the seizure of Ukraine in the short term, then the use of nuclear weapons will not occur. But that is a very short term.
        2. man
          +3
          27 November 2025 15: 17
          because there are a lot of hotheads
          How do you... delicately? laughing I'm sure none of them served at a nuclear test site, and they got their information from Wikipedia. smile
          Some amateurs... smile
          1. +6
            28 November 2025 04: 23
            Quote: mann
            How do you... delicately?

            The majority of those willing to fight remotely are ready to fight to the bitter end, as long as someone else does it for them. Those who know all the joys of combat: the scorching heat, the bitter cold, the constantly wet gear with nowhere to dry, the constant lugging of heavy loads, everything with you, constipation from eating canned food, diarrhea from dirty water or unclean food with no way to wash it, the lack of water and food, trying to sleep in clothes you haven't taken off for weeks, and what if lice appear out of nowhere, the constant sense of danger, and then the sheer numbness from it all and a loss of vigilance—these people keep their opinions to themselves. Because there's nothing better than waking up in a clean, warm bed, eating breakfast someone made for you, logging onto VO, reading the latest article about victories, the comments.
            1. +1
              29 November 2025 18: 57
              The majority of those willing to fight remotely are ready to fight until victory, the main thing is that someone does it for them.
              Usually, the further from the front and the more comfortable the conditions, the more bloodthirsty and harsh it becomes.
              1. 0
                30 November 2025 08: 34
                Quote from barbos
                Usually, the further from the front and the more comfortable the conditions, the more bloodthirsty and harsh it is.

                And a burning desire to fight to the last Russian or Ukrainian, depending on the geolocation of the sofa.
            2. man
              0
              5 December 2025 20: 17
              The majority of those willing to fight remotely are ready to fight until victory, the main thing is that someone does it for them.
              It irritates me too. am
    3. +1
      27 November 2025 12: 54
      within a radius of over 300 m from the epicenter they will of course die, but after a few years,

      Why are people still alive in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki, while only those who were exposed to radiation during the explosion died?
      1. 0
        27 November 2025 19: 48
        did only those who were exposed to radiation during the explosion die?

        Not all those exposed to radiation died, at least not in the same way. Many lived a long time. There were those who were burned who survived and lived a long time. Many died very quickly.
      2. 0
        28 November 2025 03: 47
        Quote: Amateur
        did only those who were exposed to radiation during the explosion die?

        Because they didn't know what decontamination was back then. It was enough to leave the contaminated area, change clothes, and wash. Instead, they wandered through the ruins, receiving lethal doses of radiation.
    4. 0
      27 November 2025 14: 07
      Quote: Puncher
      The author forgot to mention that people in shelters within a radius of over 300 meters from the epicenter will certainly die, but only after several years, which isn't quite what was planned. The effect of a nuclear explosion will be much less than desired. The terrain will certainly be leveled and smoothed, but artillery and mortars in the rear will remain unaffected. In short, there will be a lot of noise and fuss, but the result will be close to zero. This is for an airburst. A ground blast would be even less.

      Was the result in Hiroshima also close to zero?
      1. 0
        28 November 2025 03: 51
        Quote: Panin (Michman)
        Was the result in Hiroshima also close to zero?

        Don't confuse a settlement where residents lived in cardboard houses with a fortified area where they sat in bunkers and dugouts.
    5. +1
      27 November 2025 14: 12
      The terrain will of course be leveled and made smooth, but the artillery and mortars located in the rear will remain untouched.

      Well, who's stopping us from using several low-yield nuclear warheads during a breakthrough, including to hit the rear? An airburst would disable all UAVs and drones, allowing us to advance with vehicles. Radioactive contamination would be minimal, allowing us to continue the offensive. Many writers and readers' fear of radiation is exaggerated, or perhaps they're deliberately trying to scare people. Nuclear weapons weren't invented by stupid Soviet generals.
      1. man
        +1
        27 November 2025 15: 22
        TNW was not invented by stupid Soviet generals.
        Yes? Aren't they physicists?
      2. 0
        28 November 2025 04: 12
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        Well, who's stopping us from using several low-yield nuclear charges during a breakthrough, including to hit the rear?

        You're right, of course, there's nothing stopping you. But it needs to be organized so the enemy doesn't notice your preparations and the strike is surprise. How can we organize our units' preparations for advancing through contaminated terrain these days without being discovered? Defensive tactics during a tactical nuclear strike have been known since Soviet times. If you prepare, the effect will be significantly reduced.
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        In case of an air burst, all UAV-Drones will be blocked

        Those in the air, yes; those ready for use, no. EMP protection is fairly simple.
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        Radioactive contamination will be minimal and will allow for an offensive.

        Mmm... in a day, when radioactive elements with short half-lives cease to be dangerous. Well, that's if we want to attack without wearing protective suits and gas masks.
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        The fear of radiation among many writers and readers is exaggerated

        Everyone fears radiation because it's an invisible enemy. But how will those who are about to lead the offensive fear it? People there are simpler, and the main thoughts will be "I'll become infertile, I'll get cancer," and all the usual horror stories.
      3. -1
        29 November 2025 19: 04
        The fear of radiation among many writers and readers is exaggerated, or perhaps they are deliberately trying to scare people.
        Prove otherwise with your own example. Get three fluorograms in a row, and to avoid getting up twice, get a couple more CT scans. Then tell us how you feel.
        1. -1
          29 November 2025 20: 02
          Get three fluorograms done in a row, and to avoid getting up twice, get a couple more CT scans.

          Speaking of radiation, I was a liquidator. Accumulated radiation: 5 roentgens. Upon arrival, my internal cesium levels were slightly above normal. Five years later, they're back to normal. I'm alive and feeling nothing. 5 roentgens isn't much, but they're also not a small amount. Initially, in the Chernobyl zone, exposure to up to 20 roentgens was allowed. Then, I think, up to 10. And your three chest X-rays and two CT scans can't even compare to 5 roentgens. Incidentally, x-rays on your legs and head are two very different things.
          1. 0
            29 November 2025 22: 34
            The most important thing is that you are healthy. I say this without any gloating or sarcasm. I know the liquidator and have observed some of the consequences. As for the word "by the way," it turns out (the secrecy is long gone) that several children in our building died of leukemia back then. They say it was a consequence of the work.
  3. +2
    27 November 2025 04: 27
    After the use of tactical nuclear weapons, contaminated territory will remain for many years to come... why do we need it?
    Therefore, tactical nuclear weapons should be used on the territory of NATO countries... in the event of an attack on Russia, naturally.
    But I have serious doubts that the Kremlin has the determination to use this type of weapon. request
    The past 30 years have shown that, apart from concessions to the West and short-term outbursts of state patriotism, our helmsmen are not capable of more. what
    1. +4
      27 November 2025 04: 36
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      After the use of tactical nuclear weapons, the territory will remain contaminated for many years to come.

      Nonsense, you can go to the Snezhok exercise site; everything's clean there. Or to Hiroshima, which hasn't become a closed zone.
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I have serious doubts that the Kremlin has the determination to use this type of weapon.

      They simply realize that its use will not produce the desired effect and will lead to major complications.
      1. 0
        27 November 2025 04: 49
        You can go to the Snezhok exercise site; everything is clear there. Or to Hiroshima, which hasn't become a closed zone.

        Yeah...right now...I don't really want to test my body for susceptibility to residual radiation.
        Tell me... what will we do when NATO blockades the Baltic Sea and Kaliningrad and introduces its troops into Ukraine.
        Will the Kremlin have enough resolve and conventional forces, without the use of tactical nuclear weapons, to thwart these plans?
        1. +1
          27 November 2025 05: 02
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Yeah...right now...I don't really want to test my body for susceptibility to residual radiation.

          There are measurements, the background is within natural limits.
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          What will we do when NATO blockades the Baltic Sea and Kaliningrad and introduces its troops into Ukraine?

          If we use tactical nuclear weapons, break through a small area, and get bogged down again in a new defensive zone, the consequences will be as follows. If the use of tactical nuclear weapons leads to an advance to the border with Poland and Transnistria within a week or two, they'll be fine.
          1. 0
            27 November 2025 05: 32
            Artificial radionuclides like cesium-137 are more toxic than naturally occurring radionuclides. Strontium-90 is several times more toxic than cesium-137, and some reactor-produced plutonium isotopes are more dangerous and radiotoxic than cesium and strontium combined.
            Eating these products and getting them into your lungs with dust and germs is very bad...it's easy to get cancer. what
            1. man
              +1
              27 November 2025 09: 46
              Eating these products and getting them into your lungs with dust and germs is very bad...it's easy to get cancer.
              Thanks for enlightening me, I was just about to have a plutonium sandwich for breakfast... now I'll have to stick with cesium.
        2. -1
          27 November 2025 06: 52
          I'll intervene in your argument. It's not a matter of indecision; there really isn't any. Nor is there the ability to leap above one's own technical, political, or economic capabilities. Those at the top see what we suspect, but refuse to believe.
      2. 0
        28 November 2025 10: 36
        Quote: Puncher
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        After the use of tactical nuclear weapons, the territory will remain contaminated for many years to come.

        Nonsense, you can go to the Snezhok exercise site; everything's clean there. Or to Hiroshima, which hasn't become a closed zone.
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I have serious doubts that the Kremlin has the determination to use this type of weapon.

        They simply realize that its use will not produce the desired effect and will lead to major complications.

        The tiao should have been used in the Sumy region, where the Ukrainian Armed Forces' reserves were being stockpiled for the attack on Kursk, and at the same time confirmed the thesis of using tiao in the event of a threat to the state. Then some people would have thought twice.
      3. 0
        29 November 2025 19: 07
        Nonsense, you can go to the Snezhok exercise site; everything's clean there. Or to Hiroshima, which hasn't become a closed zone.
        Or you can just go to the Kurgan region and check it out.
        1. 0
          30 November 2025 08: 35
          Quote from barbos
          Or you can just go to the Kurgan region and check it out.

          What's there? Honestly, I don't know.
          1. 0
            6 December 2025 23: 19
            Read about the Techa speech.
    2. -2
      27 November 2025 12: 27
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      After the use of tactical nuclear weapons, contaminated territory will remain for many years to come... why do we need it?

      Well, if we act on the principle - "so don't let anyone else have you"... neither us, nor NATO
    3. -1
      27 November 2025 14: 08
      After the use of tactical nuclear weapons, the contaminated territory will remain for many years to come...why do we need it like that?
      And how much land would there be? Well, don't grow tomatoes there, don't dig garden beds. Imagine it's near the Novorizhskoye Highway and everything there is covered in lead, or that there's a landfill there.
      No one will strike TNWs at vineyards or fields
  4. +2
    27 November 2025 05: 01
    I am deeply convinced that the use of the Tiao system on Ukrainian territory is absolutely forbidden. After all, it is Russian land, populated by Russians, no matter what they call themselves. And the Tiao system is for Europe and Asia.
    1. -4
      27 November 2025 05: 11
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      And tiao is for Europe and Asia

      The use of nuclear weapons against "non-belligerent" NATO countries is 100% a global nuclear war.
      1. 0
        27 November 2025 06: 13
        Why use it without a war? No need. That's not what I was talking about... When there's a real war with Europe, in a couple of years, then we'll use it. But in Europe, not in Ukraine. Why pollute your own land?
        1. -4
          27 November 2025 06: 16
          Quote from: FoBoss_VM
          Why pollute your own land?

          They'll trash it without us. Right? Or do you think there won't be a response? Like, "They wouldn't dare!"
    2. +15
      27 November 2025 06: 35
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      This is Russian land, populated by Russians, no matter what they call themselves.
      Even without nuclear strikes, we're left with ruins, every village, every town. "Milling," and, first and foremost, the destruction of the Russian-speaking population of southeastern Ukraine.
      Tell me, what kind of thinking was required to not support the "Russian Spring," not recognize the pro-Russian referendums in Donbas, but instead recognize those who were called putschists, the organizers of an unconstitutional coup, and recognize the integrity of Ukraine? After all this, allow the Nazi regime eight years to kill Russians in Donbas, purge pro-Russian activists, arm the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and create fortified areas... Having a Ukrainian president, his prime minister, an official appeal for assistance, and yet allowing Bandera's regime to become legitimized, not demanding a nationwide referendum, like Crimea and Donbas... How should posterity evaluate this? Moreover, there are no "militants"; there is a regular Ukrainian army, in which those mobilized are obliged to defend the integrity of the country, recognized by our own leadership. To them, we are "aggressors," and this has become the defining characteristic of Western propaganda. If they were to launch a belated invasion in 2022, they could have at least prepared for it eight years in advance and given the army a real fight, rather than "operating" in frontal assaults, ruining Russia and leaving ruins on the land that could have become ours back in 2014, even without the invasion.
      1. +3
        27 November 2025 08: 22
        They took it right out of my mouth hi good What's the point of talking about tactical nuclear weapons now? We must have these weapons. And we must deal decisively and consistently with our neighbors, and not only with them.
        1. man
          -4
          27 November 2025 09: 21
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          They took it right out of my mouth hi good What's the point of talking about tactical nuclear weapons now? We must have these weapons. And we must deal decisively and consistently with our neighbors, and not only with them.

          What if our neighbors don't like our resolve? Should we use tactical nuclear weapons? request
          1. -1
            28 November 2025 11: 53
            We don't care if they don't like us. They never liked us.
      2. -10
        27 November 2025 08: 24
        The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

        Quote: Per se.
        So, tell me, how and what did one have to think in order not to support the "Russian Spring," not to recognize the pro-Russian referendums in Donbas, but to recognize those who were called putschists, the organizers of an unconstitutional coup, and to recognize the integrity of Ukraine?

        The CIA carried out a successful operation to separate the rebellious east from Ukraine. While the east remained part of Ukraine, even a third round of elections (Yushchenko's 2004 election) failed to break the Ukrainian people, turn them against Russia, and unleash a fratricidal war.

        The Russian referendums were organized precisely for this purpose. Putin warned against it. They didn't listen—and what they got was war.

        And by the way, Crimeans participated in the anti-Maidan protests and were freed.
        Donbass was not at the anti-Maidan - it received war.

        Regarding the confessions, Moscow's Dorogomilovsky Court recognized the events of February 2014 in Ukraine as a coup d'état.
        1. +8
          27 November 2025 09: 38
          Quote: Boris55
          Putin warned us not to do this. We didn't listen, and we got war.
          The Crimean referendum was "obedient," but in Donbas, Russians had no rights? You're leaving out the main question: why, having received authority and an official request, did they withdraw troops from the border? Why were those called putschists and the junta recognized, but the choice of the people of Donbas was not? Yanukovych admitted that his request for assistance wasn't a request to send troops into Ukraine, but rather to deploy a police peacekeeping mission. In any case, the situation could have been resolved in our favor, since there was also a treaty of friendship and mutual assistance between Ukraine and Russia.
          Why did they recognize the Nazi coup, and even trade with them, paying for transit? Where's the Bolshevism here, Comrade Boris?... The photo shows Yanukovych's appeal for assistance to the UN. That's the whole "nuclear bomb"...
          1. -9
            27 November 2025 10: 04
            Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

            Quote: Per se.
            In Crimea, the referendum was "obedient," but in Donbas, Russians had no rights?

            The Republic of Crimea, unlike Donbas, was part of Ukraine with a special status—as a republic. Crimea first held a referendum on secession from Ukraine, and only then on joining Russia.

            Donbas held a referendum on independence (including from Russia). Then, when the going got tough, they joined Russia as republics.

            Quote: Per se.
            Why were those who were called putschists and the junta recognized, but the choice of the people of Donbass was not?

            Who admitted it? You're hinting at Putin – here's a link to his direct speech.
            Once again, Moscow's Dorogomilovsky Court has recognized the events of February 2014 in Ukraine as a coup d'état.

            Quote: Per se.
            Yanukovych admitted that his request for assistance was not a request to send troops into Ukraine, but...

            He wanted to save his seat and his ass in it with Russian blood? What did he do to achieve that? Nothing. The riot police could have dispersed the crowd in an hour, but it was he who gave the order not to touch the Maidan...

            Quote: Per se.
            Why did they recognize the Nazi coup, and even trade with them, paying for transit? Where's the Bolshevism in this, Comrade Boris?

            Bolshevism does not equal internationalism. The people of Ukraine have chosen their path. It is their choice. They themselves must reap the fruits of their choice. We have no right to dictate our will to them.

            We, unlike them, were able to recover from perestroika.
            1. +8
              27 November 2025 10: 27
              Quote: Boris55
              Who admitted it? You're hinting at Putin – here's a link to his direct speech.

              Okay, let's remember 2014 (MOSCOW, May 23 - RIA Novosti), - "At the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke for the first time in detail about Russia's stance on the upcoming Ukrainian presidential election on Sunday. He stated that Moscow will respect the Ukrainian people's choice and is ready to work with the new government. He also expressed hope that the two countries will eventually be able to reach an agreement on the gas issue, despite Ukraine's still outstanding debt.".
              Perhaps the "pipeline" and the selfish interests of our fat cats in general were more important?
              Let's also remember that on March 22, 2014, rallies in support of Yanukovych and for federalization of the country took place in Donetsk, Luhansk, Kharkiv, and Odesa. Was that worse for us?
              Finally, what was the purpose of requesting the authority to use troops? Let me remind you that, speaking about Ukraine at a press conference on March 4, 04.03.2014, Vladimir Putin stated that Russia had no plans to annex Crimea. How can one find consistency in this, excuse me, vacillation, especially since Donbas was finally recognized in February 2022 and the "North-West Military Operation" (NVO) was launched? If Donbas hadn't resisted, NATO would already be on our border. Don't you understand? Why did everything come to this? Why has the "North-West Military Operation" been in effect for almost four years?
              1. -7
                27 November 2025 10: 48
                The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

                Quote: Per se.
                He stated that Moscow will respect the choice of the Ukrainian people and is ready to work with the new government.

                Let's assume this is Putin's "direct speech." Where is he wrong? Should he have said that Ukrainians are not very bright and chose someone we wouldn't have wanted, and that's why we're stopping communicating with them?

                Quote: Per se.
                that on March 22, 2014, rallies in support of Yanukovych took place in Donetsk, Luhansk, Kharkov, and Odessa

                Late.
                The coup has already taken place. Revolutions and coups always take place in the country's centers of power—in the capitals. The outskirts either accept it or are forced to accept the new government.

                Quote: Per se.
                Vladimir Putin stated that Russia has no plans to annex Crimea.

                Would you like him to openly declare his intentions through the media? laughing

                Quote: Per se.
                that in February 2022, Donbass was finally recognized and the "SVO" began

                Finally, the leadership of Donetsk and Luhansk requested to join Russia. We granted their request, accepting them into Russia. Only then did we gain the legal right to defend our new territories.

                Quote: Per se.
                if Donbass hadn't resisted

                If Donbass had not resisted, but accepted Putin's wishes and not held a referendum on secession, then Ukraine would still be neutral and there would be no NATO troops.

                Quote: Per se.
                Why is "SVO" almost 4 years old?

                Because this isn't a war, it's a military conflict. There's a big difference between the two.

                ps
                "Strelkov" took an active part in implementing the CIA's plans.
                1. +4
                  27 November 2025 11: 57
                  Quote: Boris55
                  "Strelkov" took an active part in implementing the CIA's plans.

                  The CIA's plans should have been conceived back under Yushchenko, if not earlier. So, we initially request authority to deploy troops and engage in threatening rhetoric against the putschists, but after Didier Burkhalter's visit to Moscow, the rhetoric shifts dramatically. A heart-wrenching commercial airs on TV: "Putin, Send in Troops," explaining that, apparently, this is all NATO expects and that it should absolutely not be done. So, from helmets and body armor for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, NATO has gone beyond providing tanks, aircraft, and missiles. Sanctions were imposed anyway, including on SWIFT for leading banks, and for the previous recognition of the coup and the new government, and the integrity of Ukraine, Crimea is considered "annexation," and the CIA is considered "aggression" under international law.
                  Boris Leontievich, stop prevaricating. What would you say if we signed a new deal like this regarding Ukraine? If there's only a solution on the battlefield, then we're ready to negotiate... The consequences of capitalism plucked from the dustbin of history, and the selfish interests of a Western-dependent "elite," have not gone away.
                2. 0
                  28 November 2025 13: 24
                  Exactly, Boris. He should have declared openly and unequivocally that this is our land and that our Russian people live there. That we will not give up what's ours to anyone. As befits a Bolshevik. He is a Bolshevik, just like you, isn't he? laughing:
                  1. -2
                    29 November 2025 08: 07
                    Quote: Essex62
                    Exactly, Boris. You should have stated it openly and unequivocally.

                    What are we saying? That we're occupying the Donbas residents against their will? Let me remind you what they voted for:
                    1. 0
                      29 November 2025 09: 16
                      No need for insinuations. They voted to secede from Banderastan. However, many people didn't want to go back to the bourgeois-feudal Russian Federation either. They wanted to be like their father.
                      So, as he himself said, the most important liberal is still a Bolshevik? laughing
                      1. -3
                        29 November 2025 10: 26
                        The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

                        Quote: Essex62
                        They wanted it to be like their father's.

                        And when they ran out of strength, that's when they remembered Russia.
                        As soon as we became part of Russia, the SVO began.
                      2. -1
                        29 November 2025 22: 21
                        What do you mean, "remembered"? Everything that happened in '91 was illegal. That's why all this fuss is happening now. And the Russian people were obliged to help their own, to save them, since they squandered the opportunity to keep Bandera out of the Russian outskirts. I think that's obvious.
                        But the SVO began for completely different reasons. My godfather knows why. A belated attempt to imprison loyalists in Kyiv.
                      3. -1
                        29 November 2025 22: 31
                        As for strength, the Ilovaisk cauldron showed what the Donetsk team can do. They would have taken Kyiv, too, if not for...
              2. man
                +3
                27 November 2025 15: 28
                Speaking about Ukraine at a press conference on March 4, 2014, Vladimir Putin stated that Russia has no plans to annex Crimea.
                Well, that's quite clear, our intelligence officer was hiding behind a code. smile
            2. +7
              27 November 2025 11: 33
              Stop spinning around like a louse on a comb, Boris. Your comments only provoke Homeric laughter here, like at a circus clown show.
              1. -4
                27 November 2025 11: 37
                The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

                Quote from: dmi.pris1
                Your comments here only cause Homeric laughter.

                I will try not to disappoint you in the future.

                What made you laugh the most? What should I emphasize in my comments to make it even funnier?
                1. +4
                  27 November 2025 12: 40
                  What made you laugh? Split personality disorder in the political arena. laughing
              2. man
                +1
                27 November 2025 15: 38
                Greetings, Dmitry. I read that you were recently attacked quite brutally... sad
                Glad you showed up
          2. VlK
            +2
            27 November 2025 18: 47
            You're kidding! If the LPR and DPR had oil and gas reserves, our resource and financial aristocracy would have thought twice about grabbing the territory. But as it is, are you suggesting they ruin your entire international business? Besides, what kind of "Russian" spring is this? Are they all just chauvinists and Black Hundreds? Have they forgotten that until very recently, the word "Russian" was officially practically obscene, and even somewhat extremist in its connotations? This isn't like having a second citizenship in the Promised Land, like all decent people in government and business, you have to understand.
            Besides, all the necessary work in this area was already underway; it's no wonder such diplomatic titans as M. Zurabov and V. S. Chernomyrdin were sent there in the first place. So, do you really think our Foreign Ministry is wasting its time and underperforming? It's not right, sir, to voice such thoughts publicly; it's unpatriotic.
            1. +1
              28 November 2025 08: 00
              Quote: VlK
              It is not for nothing that such titans of diplomacy as M. Zurabov and V. S. Chernomyrdin were sent there at one time
              It's a pity I don't have the strength for such subtle humor (sarcasm).
      3. +1
        12 December 2025 03: 28
        I partially agree. But!
        What prevented the residents of southeastern Ukraine in 2013 from warming their asses by their sofas and watching television, but instead from standing up in defense of the legitimate government? What prevented the residents of Odessa on May 2, 2014, from staring bulgingly at the television, but instead from helping those being burned alive in the Trade Union Building? If at least 3-4 people had come out then, instead of 500, they would have won. But the well-known attitude of "my house is on the edge, I don't know anything" has regained its hold. The house on the edge, as we know, burns first. Now, the unfortunate residents of the same Kharkiv region, the same Dnipropetrovsk region, the same Zaporizhzhia region, the same western part of Donbas, the same Mykolaiv region, the same Kherson region, the same Odessa are reaping the fruits of their back-to-the-house mentality and indifference.
        Recognizing Poroshenko's election was a grave mistake on our part, I agree. Just like the Minsk agreements.
        Why was the 2022 operation so stupidly and ineptly planned? The former commander-in-chief of the ground forces, Chirkin, recently answered this question eloquently on RBC's Tamantsev program. Because our intelligence community provided the country's leadership with false information about the true public sentiment in Ukrainian society. Reports "upward" claimed 70 percent were for us and only 30 percent against. In reality, it was precisely the opposite: 30 percent for us and 70 percent against. So, this special operation, which ultimately became a bloody, protracted war, was planned with such false initial data. Such planners and "analysts" should be brought to justice.
    3. man
      0
      27 November 2025 09: 30
      I am deeply convinced that it is absolutely forbidden to use the tiao on Ukrainian territory.
      I share your conviction.
    4. -3
      27 November 2025 10: 25
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      I am deeply convinced that the use of the Tiao system on Ukrainian territory is absolutely forbidden. After all, it is Russian land, populated by Russians, no matter what they call themselves. And the Tiao system is for Europe and Asia.


      Enough nonsense about Russian land and Russian people.
      This WAS Russian land!
      These WERE Russian people!

      They are enemies now!
      They destroy us, just as we destroy them!
      They are just as happy as we are when missiles accidentally fly into residential buildings!

      And they will continue to be our ENEMIES!

      We have 145 million people. They have 30 million. Their number is five times smaller. And if you include those who left permanently, which is another 5-7 million, then it's almost six times smaller.
      Even if the losses are the same, we will still have people in whose circle no one was killed, and in their society, everyone will have killed people, and not just one.

      And the death of loved ones always means hatred and anger for a couple of generations.

      They are enemies!
      And people like you - this is just some kind of liberal agenda!

      Which, even if you pee in her eyes, is still God's dew...
      1. +3
        27 November 2025 11: 11
        SovAr238A
        And people like you - this is just some kind of liberal agenda!
        You are mistaken. Per se.
        (Sergei)
        FoBoss_VM
        (Ivan)
        They're writing logical arguments. What's happening now, both in Russia and Ukraine, in both domestic and foreign policy, can be called genocide of the Russian population. There were no such losses of the Russian population during the Great Patriotic War. And the active part began with the collapse of the USSR...
      2. -1
        27 November 2025 13: 50
        Stop your hysteria, my dear sir. Wipe away your tears and snot.
        1. -2
          28 November 2025 15: 56
          Quote from: FoBoss_VM
          Stop your hysteria, my dear sir. Wipe away your tears and snot.


          Like a refugee or something?
          did you come to sit it out?
      3. +1
        28 November 2025 13: 42
        Don't you know that civil wars end, but a nation remains a nation even after it?
    5. +1
      27 November 2025 12: 44
      A very reasonable comment. You can't litter your own land!
    6. -1
      27 November 2025 14: 22
      populated by Russians, no matter what they call themselves

      I certainly wouldn't call Galicians Russians. They're a different people. The mentality of a Kharkiv Ukrainian and a Belgorod resident is similar, especially since they speak the same language. But the mentality of a Galician and an eastern Ukrainian is very different.
  5. BAI
    0
    27 November 2025 06: 06
    From now on, any concentration at the front is excluded, not only at the level of corps and divisions, but also at the tactical level.

    The Ukrainian Armed Forces alone are constantly creating groups of several thousand people. Sometimes before the invasion of Kursk, sometimes on the border with the Belgorod region. They're sitting in cities, reporting cheerfully: 5000 people are surrounded.
  6. +2
    27 November 2025 07: 11
    At a minimum, the Kinzhal and Oreshnik missiles can carry nuclear warheads, and the strike would be sudden. Somewhere, there was a breakdown of the tactical nuclear weapons strike on Frankfurt an der Oder: 200 killed, 600 wounded, and a complete collapse of the country's transport and medical systems. Military action is impossible for 1-3 months.
  7. +3
    27 November 2025 07: 30
    I think we need to look not at the weapon itself, which is effective in any case, but at those who are willing to use it or not! They're not willing to use it thoughtlessly, which is reassuring. They're also not willing to use it thoughtfully, which is very alarming. Then the real question arises: why is it needed? But the question isn't about the weapon ;)
  8. -5
    27 November 2025 07: 56
    The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

    Quote: E. Fedorov
    The enemy's invasion of the Kursk region particularly undermined faith in tactical nuclear weapons.
    Quote: Vadim S
    Then the question really arises - why is it needed?

    Are you suggesting we should have dropped a nuclear bomb on Kursk? And if we didn't, then what was the point? Nonsense!

    To avoid stupid questions and articles, read our doctrine.
    It is written there in Russian when and against whom.
    1. 0
      29 November 2025 09: 23
      I'll second that. It couldn't have been better. I don't understand why there are so many downvotes. Apparently, people from the establishment are downvoting. Neither Kursk nor Kyiv are allowed. It's our land. We'll have to use conventional language to rip out the Bandera. Yakovlev is a no-no.
  9. 0
    27 November 2025 08: 20
    Quote: Puncher
    The decision makers are in cover, from where they can only be dug out by a high-precision anti-bunker munition with a special warhead, and we don’t have any of those.


    Where did you get this info? Actually, any bunker can be destroyed, and it doesn't even have to be with nuclear weapons.
    In principle, it is enough to destroy the ventilation system and seal off the entrances and exits.
    And the Russian Federation has sufficient resources for such purposes.
    1. -2
      27 November 2025 10: 27
      Quote: Illanatol
      Quote: Puncher
      The decision makers are in cover, from where they can only be dug out by a high-precision anti-bunker munition with a special warhead, and we don’t have any of those.


      Where did you get this info? Actually, any bunker can be destroyed, and it doesn't even have to be with nuclear weapons.
      In principle, it is enough to destroy the ventilation system and seal off the entrances and exits.
      And the Russian Federation has sufficient resources for such purposes.


      The war showed that there is no such thing. They tried the Dagger once in the Beskydy Tunnel, and realized its futility.

      Even the Americans, in their hothouse conditions, were unable to completely clear out Iran's underground facilities.
      And in our conditions, even more so.
  10. -1
    27 November 2025 08: 28
    Quote: Puncher
    The author forgot to mention that people in shelters within a radius of over 300 m from the epicenter will of course die, but in a few years, which is not quite what was planned.


    No one ever intended to use tactical nuclear weapons against troops already deployed in their positions. Attacking convoys and military bases is fine. They should be used against relatively small targets, such as industrial plants, power plants, transportation hubs, and the like.
    According to Soviet-era regulations, a serviceman who has received a single dose of more than 50 roentgens (rem) may be released from duty and hospitalized.
    Those who received even more may indeed live for a long time, but their combat effectiveness will be in great question.
    1. -1
      27 November 2025 11: 06
      Quote: Illanatol
      No one ever intended to use tactical nuclear weapons against troops already deployed in their positions.

      During the Soviet era, it was tactical nuclear weapons that were supposed to create gaps in NATO's defenses for a dash "to the English Channel."
      Quote: Illanatol
      It is worth using against objects with a relatively small area, for example, industrial enterprises, power plants, transport hubs, etc.

      This will not provide any advantages because a nuclear strike will not be followed by an advance of troops.
      1. 0
        27 November 2025 12: 46
        Quote: Puncher
        During the Soviet era, it was tactical nuclear weapons that were supposed to create gaps in NATO's defenses for a dash "to the English Channel."


        The intention was to use tactical nuclear weapons during a world war, after strategic strikes had been launched. And "defensive penetrations" don't necessarily imply strikes against positions on the frontline, but rather strikes against operational and tactical depth, including the headquarters of enemy units and formations.

        Quote: Puncher
        This will not provide any advantages because a nuclear strike will not be followed by an advance of troops.


        Why wouldn't it follow? Destroying the enemy's rear infrastructure and logistics facilitates the advance of troops.
  11. -1
    27 November 2025 08: 31
    Quote: BAI
    The Ukrainian Armed Forces alone are constantly creating groups of several thousand people. Sometimes before the invasion of Kursk, sometimes on the border with the Belgorod region. They're sitting in cities, reporting cheerfully: 5000 people are surrounded.


    Is it okay that these "groups" can be dispersed over an area of ​​tens of square kilometers?
    And are you sure these 5000 people gathered in one crowd?
  12. +1
    27 November 2025 08: 34
    Logic suggests that the most opportune time to use tactical nuclear weapons was the first weeks and even days of a special military operation.

    What kind of logic is this? The SVO was not planned as a protracted military campaign. It was supposed to be a month-long military operation to enforce the Minsk agreements and culminate in the signing of the Istanbul agreements. The SVO was never intended to involve tactical nuclear weapons.
    The enemy did not have time to deploy combat units – most of them were at their permanent bases.

    The aircraft were operating under the control of the ground control center. However, there was no one there. The Ukrainian Armed Forces had been in the field since late January, establishing new positions. The entire internet was asking people not to film the unit's movements, so as not to aid the enemy.
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  14. Owl
    -1
    27 November 2025 09: 59
    In the 80s, the USSR and the United States conducted research on the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the European theater of military operations during the outbreak of a conventional war between the Warsaw Pact and NATO without the use of weapons of mass destruction. Simulations by both sides determined that after the initial use of tactical nuclear weapons (missile defense, aviation), the use of strategic nuclear weapons would begin approximately three days to a week later. Under the conditions of the Central Military District, the use of tactical nuclear weapons would cause significant radioactive contamination of both the combat zone and the territory of adjacent states (Russia, Belarus, and European countries).
    1. man
      +1
      27 November 2025 15: 53
      In the 80s, the USSR and the USA conducted research on the use of tactical nuclear weapons in the European theatre of military operations during the start of a conventional war between the Warsaw Pact and NATO without the use of weapons of mass destruction.
      Also heard about it.
  15. 0
    27 November 2025 10: 13
    As nuclear weapons develop and improve in accuracy and range, only tactical nuclear weapons will remain in service. These will be the easiest to conceal. Ultra-small sabotage nuclear weapons in backpacks for land and sea use already exist.
  16. +1
    27 November 2025 12: 01
    How do you think you'll stop the advancing NATO divisions? You can't even deal with the Ukrainians without tactical nuclear weapons...
  17. +2
    27 November 2025 12: 40
    Why do we need tactical nuclear weapons?

    The author has a poor command of the subject.
  18. -1
    27 November 2025 12: 50
    All of the above significantly discredits tactical nuclear weapons as a viable force. The enemy's invasion of the Kursk region has particularly undermined faith in tactical nuclear weapons.

    Destroying enemy targets in the Northeast Military District is a real bummer. Three years of "dealing," and only after the "conscious" ones attacked and damaged fuel and energy complex facilities, particularly oil refineries, did they retaliate against their fuel and energy complex, infrastructure, and, to some extent, logistics. Nuclear weapons have nothing to do with it. The "what matters" is the presence/absence of "fabergé" and mutual obligations not to touch "property."
  19. -1
    27 November 2025 12: 51
    Quote: SovAr238A
    The war showed that there is no such thing. They tried the Dagger once in the Beskydy Tunnel, and realized its futility.

    Even the Americans, in their hothouse conditions, were unable to completely clear out Iran's underground facilities.
    And in our conditions, even more so.


    Did the "dagger" have a nuclear warhead? If it didn't work once, you could try again, or even more than once. Should I remind you how the "dagger" destroyed a fairly deep bunker in Ukraine containing "Western personnel"?
    Did the Yankees use tactical nuclear weapons against Iran?
    And the most powerful non-nuclear munition is in the possession of the Russian Armed Forces.
    1. 0
      29 November 2025 23: 46
      "Papa" weighs almost 10 tons - only "Voevoda" or "Sarmat" can transport it as a warhead - virtually. :)
  20. 0
    27 November 2025 12: 57
    Have the 152mm SBCh shells been removed from arsenals? If I remember correctly, they're in good health.
  21. -1
    27 November 2025 13: 17
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    After the use of tactical nuclear weapons, contaminated territory will remain for many years to come... why do we need it?
    Therefore, tactical nuclear weapons should be used on the territory of NATO countries.

    Why not? There are regions close to the EU—Lviv, for example. And others... Just slam it in there and you've got yourself a sanitary zone!
  22. -2
    27 November 2025 13: 35
    The issue of their use beyond the Ukrainian theater remains relevant. In fact, tactical nuclear weapons are our immediate line of defense.
    The Far East theater is Japan's attempt to recapture the Kuril Islands. Our Pacific Fleet may not be able to withstand the Japanese fleet using conventional means, even with the help of coastal forces and aircraft. The use of tactical nuclear weapons against the attacking squadron and the bases on Hokkaido would completely deter aggression.
    Northwest direction. Here we have the Norwegians, Finns, Balts, Swedes, Danes, and Poles. In the event of an attack on Murmansk, St. Petersburg, or Kaliningrad, the use of tactical nuclear weapons against enemy ships, bases, and airfields would neutralize the threat. Without tactical nuclear weapons, our Baltic Fleet and small ground forces would have a hard time holding out.
    Ukrainian theater of operations. It should not be used except in the unlikely event of a counteroffensive. In this context, the author is correct – in the current situation, extreme dispersion of forces will not be effective.
    The conclusion has long been known: tactical nuclear weapons are a deterrent shield and a weapon of defense when attacked by superior forces.
  23. +5
    27 November 2025 14: 48
    As far as I know, tactical nuclear weapons are needed not to destroy concentrated equipment, but to eliminate command posts and other well-fortified targets. Therefore, they can't be considered an "obsolete element." Although, I may be wrong.
    1. man
      0
      27 November 2025 16: 00
      It seems like you are almost the only one in this topic who is capable of doubting smile
  24. 0
    27 November 2025 15: 18
    Author...that's why the US is increasing them! )))
  25. 0
    27 November 2025 15: 24
    The question of the use of nuclear weapons in this war has been raised here repeatedly.
    And there have always been many arguments against it. But there is one serious one.
    an argument for it. Europeans and Americans need to develop an understanding
    that Russia will pursue its goals despite
    no matter what.
    1. -1
      29 November 2025 09: 34
      Their understanding will very quickly develop into a desire to achieve the same thing, with the same methods. The main means of retaliation are unavailable without the use of nuclear weapons. They don't care how many Ukrainians, Poles, Gypsies, Finns, Frogs, and Boshes die.
  26. +1
    27 November 2025 16: 05
    the first weeks and even days of the special military operation. The enemy did not have time to deploy combat units – most of them were at their permanent bases.

    But that's not entirely true... the main forces were actually deployed on the border of the Donetsk and Luhansk republics, 120-150 tons of manpower, 2 tons of guns and one and a half tons of armored vehicles, about 500 tanks... even fire preparation was already underway, up to one and a half thousand artillery rounds a day in the 20th of February (for comparison - in mid-February - fifty)
  27. -3
    27 November 2025 16: 07
    I have another question, why is Yevgeny Fedorov on VO? His articles discredit common sense.
    And all witnesses of the non-use of tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine, to the SVO in assault groups and grind, grind...
  28. +1
    27 November 2025 17: 21
    Where are the local military theorists who, just a year or two ago, insisted that warfare hadn't changed and that victory required an armored fist? And they argued, saying it had been that way since ancient times and that nothing could change. Look, even a staff writer at VO now admits that this is a war of twos and threes, or at most fives, and that the key now is dispersal, not concentration.
    1. VlK
      +1
      27 November 2025 18: 31
      The principles haven't changed since ancient times—the massing of forces and resources in key areas to create an overwhelming advantage to achieve decisive results. The truth about the need to cover troops during deployment and advancement, as well as ensuring camouflage, secrecy, and deception of the enemy, should probably still be taught in academies. There's nothing to cover troops with on the battlefield and in the rear from new air threats—so where is our advanced military-industrial complex in the fourth year of the Central Military District, may I ask? This is probably a question for them first and foremost, not the military leaders; they fight with what they have.
  29. VlK
    +1
    27 November 2025 18: 22
    The author is completely off-base. Leaving aside the inevitable environmental consequences, the decision and actual use of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) will immediately place those who made and carried out such a decision, and with them the entire country, outside the pale of all international law. This won't just be international isolation; it will set a PRECEDENT and instantly free the hand of retaliatory use, removing the existing barrier of international prosecution for such crimes (which are, in fact, war crimes under international law). I'm absolutely certain that within a month, at most, we'll be receiving retaliatory strikes from used weapons in the form of dirty bombs dropped by drones on regional capitals. And all for what? Disabling a couple of airfields for two weeks and paralyzing the Odessa port for six months? We're not even blocking it with mines right now, so they don't block our civilian shipping during the World Cup, and then there's Transnistria right there, with its status unclear... Not to mention the fact that, according to the official version, we're liberating either our own or a brotherly nation. Maybe then we should go straight to Voronezh, like in the joke?
    I'm convinced that those who are pushing ideas about nuclear weapons in our country need to either give up alcohol completely or start taking medications as prescribed, and as soon as possible. Otherwise, they'll just go boom, you know, right from their kitchen, no doubt.
    1. +1
      28 November 2025 10: 57
      The use of tactical nuclear weapons is only possible after the outbreak of a major war with NATO and only on NATO territory. Their use in the Civil War and on NATO's own soil is not even discussed.
    2. 0
      28 November 2025 11: 57
      The use of nuclear weapons by the Americans in 1945 for some reason did not put the United States in danger.
      outside the law. Moreover, it is precisely this that the state continues to impose
      their own rules to everyone else. And quite successfully.
      1. VlK
        +1
        28 November 2025 13: 28
        That's because we are far from them, especially now, that's why they weren't put in charge, but they will put us in charge (in a world where the US is still the hegemon, no matter what our propagandists say), and our entire VPR understands this perfectly well, apparently.
      2. 0
        30 November 2025 03: 19
        The use of nuclear weapons by the Americans in 1945 for some reason did not put the United States in danger.
        outlaw.

        There was no law on the matter back then. Nuclear weapons were simply unknown to the general public.
        And now it exists. It's called the NPT with its annexes. One of the key provisions is that nuclear weapons are intended for use against nuclear states and are not to be used against non-nuclear powers.
  30. +1
    27 November 2025 21: 35
    Unfortunately, the author falls into a classic false dichotomy of two extremes: either total war, or let's just stick to infantry.

    The use of tactical nuclear weapons is unacceptable for political reasons. They could be used if we were in the US's position, but if we were in their position, we would have managed without them. Tactical nuclear weapons are an element of a total war, which would inevitably lead to a deterioration in relations with the entire world. Or they are an element of a total nuclear war. While it's certainly possible to simply argue, "Why didn't we wipe that transport hub off the face of the earth?"
  31. -1
    28 November 2025 10: 54
    If the units on the LBS are dispersed in small groups, there's no continuous front. Advance wherever you want. Something about this isn't noticeable on the outskirts. Don't overthink things. Another year or two, and they'll find an antidote. And a drone operator is always vulnerable to tactical nuclear weapons.
  32. 0
    28 November 2025 19: 24
    I'm afraid that now we might fall into the other extreme and start to absolutize the experience of the SVO.
  33. -1
    29 November 2025 14: 56
    Nuclear warheads aren't as powerful, their range is small, and multiple rocket launchers are just as powerful. Why mess up your own land? The Lviv railway station, the tunnel to Romania, all the power plants and substations, and most importantly, the gas storage facilities, should be bombed, after warning everyone to leave. Then let them try to repair them.
  34. +2
    29 November 2025 15: 40
    Logic suggests that the most opportune time to use tactical nuclear weapons was the first weeks and even days of a special military operation.

    Logic says something completely different: don't let amateurs wage war...
    Moreover, politicians who start a war have little understanding of what they are getting into...
    And "generals always prepare for the last war" ©
    Moreover, there was not a single combat general; everyone had only dealt with “police” operations before this...
    1. 0
      1 December 2025 00: 46
      Quotes of fools: "Generals always prepare for the last war," W. Churchill.
      So who's preparing for future wars? Civil wars? Which civil wars exactly? Give us your names, surnames, and addresses! We'll come to them and force them to prepare for their own funerals. And then, do you think we can guarantee there won't be future wars? If you don't, then there's no point in blathering on about it any longer. Wars are started by oligarchies and politicians. Churchill turned out to be one of them, and he merely demonstrated his own insecurities as a failed soldier. Anyone who wants to argue should start with the thesis that there's no need to defend against occupiers.
  35. +1
    29 November 2025 16: 42
    Russia will NEVER use nuclear weapons in Europe. They're all the children and grandchildren of the elite. What's that like: spraying blood and blood? Never!
  36. -1
    29 November 2025 19: 55
    Therefore, it is necessary to develop weapons using antimatter.
    1. 0
      30 November 2025 20: 47
      Therefore, it is necessary to develop weapons using antimatter.

      Well, if someone doesn't like the TNW, then the developments need to be carried out at full speed.
  37. +2
    30 November 2025 22: 50
    Logic suggests that the most opportune time to use tactical nuclear weapons was the first weeks and even days of a special military operation.
    - Are you sure you are familiar with logic and are on friendly terms? laughing
  38. 0
    1 December 2025 00: 44
    A CIA officer's opinion: why do Russians need tactical nuclear weapons? Then: why do Russians need strategic nuclear weapons? And finally: why do Russians even need to live?!
  39. 0
    4 December 2025 17: 03
    I stopped reading this nonsense after "Logic dictates that the most opportune time to use tactical nuclear weapons was the first weeks and even days of a special military operation."—you, author, with such logic should be sent to a mental hospital.
  40. 0
    5 December 2025 19: 00
    A good article; I read one like this a long time ago, right here. It was also written by some idiot. It argued that nuclear weapons are harmless and have no effect in military operations. The article is long and thorough, but halfway through I realized it was written by a very strong team. Hiding behind some Vasya. And as I understand it, it wasn't our team. And once again, they're trying to send us following in Obama's footsteps. After all, under him, there was a hysteria about completely abolishing nuclear weapons. "Give up nuclear weapons and everything will be fine, especially for Russia." The author is apparently an emissary.