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Targeted training is our new everything


The goal is to fill hospitals


There's some unrest in medical circles. Students at specialized universities are seriously concerned about their futures—the government is introducing a mandatory three-year work placement after graduation. The reason is simple: public clinics are experiencing a severe shortage of doctors and medical personnel. The bill has been under discussion for several years, but there's no doubt it will be passed soon. What's the essence of this new measure?



It's worth noting right away that there is no mandatory placement for medical school graduates. After six years of training, young professionals will be offered a list of state institutions from which to choose a place of work. It's not hard to guess that the best positions will be selected by the best students, while more modest hospitals and clinics will receive graduates of comparable quality. The idea is to compensate for the shortage of medical professionals in remote areas.

The situation is paradoxical: hospitals are being built, but there's no one to staff them. More precisely, patients are ready, but doctors are hard to come by. The already-approved initiative to organize mentoring in medical institutions looks interesting. The only remaining issue is where to find mentors in hospitals currently experiencing a doctor shortage. But on paper, everything looks good: a young specialist is guaranteed a job for three years, and even a professional mentor.

The situation needs to be assessed from multiple perspectives. Secondary and higher medical education is one of the most expensive for the budget. Every year, about one-third of graduates do not go on to work in public healthcare institutions. This appears to be a misuse of budget funds, and therefore, our taxes. A parallel can be drawn with military education. Young officers are now required to sign a five-year contract, and no one is upset by this. That's true. With a few exceptions, cadets at military academies receive full state support. This is not the case at medical schools. Not all students receive dormitory accommodation, let alone other benefits.

Ultimately, when it comes to the rationale for spending public funds, mandatory work after graduation seems reasonable. This prevents us from going to the other extreme—the extreme elitism of medical education. This is precisely the case in the United States, for example. Almost a quarter of all American medical students come from families with incomes equal to the top five percent of the country.

Half of all medical students in the US come from families with the highest incomes. Medical schools are very expensive, and the training is long and difficult. As a result, a significant number of graduates end up with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. But the rewards are clearly worth it – the medical profession in the US is one of the most prestigious, if not the most prestigious. A well-established health insurance system supports both medical staff and ensures adequate medical care for patients.

Whether this scenario is feasible in Russia is debatable. On the one hand, increasing health insurance premiums will clearly provoke discontent. On the other hand, the large number of private clinics clearly signals that Russians are willing to pay for treatment if it is at an appropriate level.

Market theory suggests that young professionals aren't just turning to public institutions for no reason. Private clinics pay much more. The Ministry of Health reports the average doctor's salary at 123,259 rubles. That's last year. Pardon the pun, but that's the hospital average. Half of the medical staff earns 83,400 rubles—the median salary. The rest earn more. Considering that income tax is deducted from this figure, it's no surprise that young doctors are so cool to the public sector. Salary increases in the industry in recent years merely offset inflation, nothing more. hh.ru clarifies:

"The highest salaries are offered by employers in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug—159,7 rubles; Moscow—150; Sakhalin—138; Magadan—132; Tuva—130; and Yakutia—124 rubles. The lowest are in Altai Krai (70,8 rubles); Stavropol Krai (71,3 rubles); Rostov Oblast (77,1 rubles); Samara Oblast (78,7 rubles); and Bashkortostan (79,8 rubles)."


The Monocle publication publishes the following:

In May of this year, regional media in the Sverdlovsk region reported how a paramedic from Yekaterinburg found a job in a rural area, at the feldsher-midwife station of the Polevskoy Hospital, where he was promised 40 rubles a month plus a presidential payment of 30. However, in reality, he received 25 rubles or even less. After five months, the paramedic decided to quit and contacted the Ministry of Health and the labor inspectorate. After numerous inspections, the medical professional was told that his salary was commensurate with his qualifications and workload.

Aftermath


The three mandatory years of training in a public institution after medical graduation are, as we see, a necessary measure taken by the state, which is unwilling to raise medical workers' salaries to an acceptable level. And it's not just about pay. There are no established standards for supporting young doctors in public healthcare. For example, there are no relocation allowances or preferential mortgages.

For comparison, consider the range of benefits for professional military personnel. In well-off regions (if such still exist), they resolve issues with local authorities and provide service housing for medical professionals in short supply. This partially solves the problem. Combined with the mandatory three-year work commitment in state institutions, these problems will lead to the emergence of a new caste of specialists in hospitals, working out of necessity rather than by calling. With all the ensuing consequences. These are lofty words, but they are inevitable. At the same time, the burden on the healthcare system will steadily increase – in just five years, one in four Russians will be over 60. In 20 years, this figure will rise to 30 percent. Tens of millions of elderly people will need to be treated somehow. This is largely why government agencies are so concerned about staffing hospitals. They've simply forgotten about wages.

Many applicants simply won't attend medical schools. If the profession's prestige isn't supported at the state level, then why waste years of study at a university? This is a purely rational question, and some high school students will clearly answer it differently than the Ministry of Health would like. It's highly probable that the number and quality of applicants to medical specialties at universities will decline. This will inevitably impact the competency level (let's call it that) of young qualified specialists. The government understands this and is building a mentoring system in medical institutions.

Whether modern doctors, already overburdened, will have the time and energy for this is a rhetorical question. Against this backdrop, the youth employment problem—or rather, the lack of it—looks particularly alarming. Faced with the prospect of being forced into employment, a high school graduate will chart a completely different life trajectory. Were you afraid of the generation of bloggers, pizza delivery men, and gamers? Now you definitely have reason to be.

When the state effectively removes the medical profession from the competitive landscape with private (for-profit) clinics, there's a strong temptation to leave salaries alone. Not at all. Why bother, if a young doctor won't leave for three years? And after three years, when they inevitably do, a new medical school graduate will take their place. And so on.

And that's not all. Next on the agenda, as some say, is the teaching profession. Mandatory work in schools will, with 100% certainty, not only dramatically reduce enrollment in relevant specialties but also lead to a series of layoffs at specialized departments and even university branches. This will create the opportunity to replenish the teaching staff from the ranks of laid-off faculty members from pedagogical universities. The irony is bitter, but not unfounded.
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  1. +18
    20 November 2025 03: 57
    Well, this law is basically another nail in the coffin of medicine. Yes, short-sighted people are shouting: "Hurray, everything is correct." But the government hasn't done the most important thing: it hasn't asked itself: Why are people literally leaving medicine? Why are there so many private clinics? Why is the medical profession so unprestigious? So instead of addressing and combating the industry's ills, we'll simply punish and fine everyone. It's a great plan, absolutely brilliant, as reliable as a Swiss watch. So, some unfortunate recent student will work for 20-40 thousand for three years, and they'll be treated like a real slave, because they can't leave, and this will further exacerbate the problems of medicine. Of course, after three years of service, they'll leave medicine and forget it like a bad dream, and of course, ordinary people like you and me will suffer. And don't compare the current law to the armed forces. Before the SVO, life there was absolutely peachy: they paid money, provided apartments, clothed and shod, and even fed you, and you practically didn't have to work. Medics won't get any of that; here's your 40 rubles, and you won't die of happiness...
    1. osp
      +19
      20 November 2025 04: 56
      It would be better if the authorities removed the rotten commercial lining called compulsory medical insurance and the private insurance companies through which medical funding is provided.
      As someone who was close to the municipal government structure (Tver Oblast) for five years, I'll let you in on a secret: low-volume state healthcare facilities in rural areas and district centers (for example, maternity hospitals, antenatal clinics, children's clinics, etc.) closed not because of a lack of personnel.
      And they closed because they turned out to be unprofitable for health insurance!
      There are fewer births, fewer children, fewer patients. This is due to common reasons across the country.
      That's why they were subject to layoffs.
      And yes, anything related to obstetrics, maternity and childhood support is not profitable for insurance medicine and hospitals in general.
      In these areas (except for IVF), complex and expensive medical services are not provided.
      This means that the hospital receives minimal money for them through the compulsory medical insurance fund.
      Ambulance stations are also being cut. For this reason.
      1. +9
        20 November 2025 05: 38
        An interesting clarification.
        How do you envision optimally organized healthcare? The Soviet system? Any additions or changes to it?
        Interesting facts. In 2025, it was discovered that chest X-rays had been unavailable in the district center for over four years. The machines were simply broken. No one in the local administration (or higher) cared. They suggested going to another district center or the regional center.
        The maternity hospital was closed back in 2014.
        1. +3
          21 November 2025 09: 33
          A few words about pensioners, who are growing in number and supposedly squandering hospital funds. I'm a pensioner. Recently, I foolishly checked EMIAS and was surprised to learn that I'd been prescribed and undergone a ton of diagnostic tests, which I don't remember anything about (dementia, I guess). I looked online to see how much these procedures cost in private facilities and was a bit dumbfounded. I've never seen that kind of money. But if it's written down, it means it's paid for, and then the money disappears. Hence the conclusion: with this approach, the share of our fellow pensioners will never reach 30%, as the author writes. Quite the contrary, retirement will likely be a euphemism for a death sentence. And this gives cause for optimism. The next step, it seems, will be forced euthanasia. For humanitarian reasons. So that the elderly don't suffer in vain.
          P.S.: A few years ago, I had four major surgeries, and a resident nurse looked after me. It felt like she never went home from work or slept. She worked like crazy. If some pensioners haven't croaked yet, it's only thanks to girls like these. We have money for medicine—as well as for education, by the way. But the kleptocratic state machine funnels this money you know where. Into the bottomless pockets of those who constantly think about people.
          1. 0
            28 November 2025 23: 01
            You don't remember nonsense. You're prescribed tests (referrals are issued) because you were registered for a follow-up appointment yesterday. If you don't fulfill the referral within the specified timeframe, it's cancelled. And what does the cost of these services at commercial clinics have to do with it? I'll let you in on a terrible secret: the amount of money the Compulsory Medical Insurance Fund pays a clinic doesn't depend at all on the range of services it provides. The Compulsory Medical Insurance Fund pays a so-called "cushion," i.e., a fixed amount for each assigned patient. Therefore, the clinic is not at all interested in prescribing unnecessary tests or examinations; it is interested in increasing the number of assigned patients, and preferably young ones. They get sick less often, their care costs are lower, and they will be paid the same as a chronic patient or an elderly person with a multitude of ailments.
    2. +17
      20 November 2025 07: 40
      Well, this law is basically another nail in the coffin called medicine.

      Aim higher, colleague. A precedent has been created that will likely put a nail in the coffin of all higher education in principle. At least in socially significant areas of study. After all, how did the situation develop in the tower throughout the 2000s and 2010s? Citing an unfavorable demographic situation and a lack of surplus funds, the state reduced the number of available budget places, suggesting that university administrations maintain the necessary level of financial support for universities and institutes through the provision of paid services and extra-budgetary recruitment. As a result, today many educational institutions are heavily dependent on extra-budgetary allocations. This is especially interesting because the first version of the adopted law stipulated that the mandatory period of work in state clinics would also apply to students in the fee-paying program, which is completely nonsense, because, forgive me, but studying at your own expense (or rather, your parents' money), in order to then earn pennies in the public sector, is, in my opinion, some special kind of masochism, nothing less. Such a move would certainly kill people's desire to study using their own or borrowed funds, meaning universities would lose a significant chunk of their profits, which is what not only senior management at universities but also ordinary teachers rely on. As a consequence, the decline of university science was inevitable. The legislators apparently understood this, and therefore, after careful consideration, removed this requirement, limiting it only to students enrolled in the budget-funded program. But another problem arises: will families who can afford paid tuition today, but whose children are enrolled in state-funded programs, deliberately forego the opportunity for free education, simply so that upon graduation their children don't find themselves in a semi-dependent position and working for little more than the minimum wage? Of course, someone will say: what is the problem actually? Pay your debt to the state and be free. But you'll have to pay back many times more than the state paid for your education, and often even more than if you had enrolled in a paid program right away. As a result, a situation may arise where fee-based programs continue to expand, while budget-funded places remain unfilled, reserved only for those who are guaranteed to be unable to afford paid tuition. Of course, the overall economic situation in the country (dubbed "cooling" by our leadership instead of the more frightening term "stagflation") is pushing the number of people for whom higher education is an unattainable luxury to grow with each passing year. Nevertheless, the risk that the goal of this bill—to fill the public healthcare system with new personnel—will be unfulfilled, simply because people prefer paid recruitment to the budget, is quite high. There is also a high probability that, in order to ensure enrollment and, as a result, avoid a reduction in the number of budget-funded places, universities and institutes will begin to recruit candidates who meet the bare minimum requirements (including migrants, who are currently primarily studying only for money), which, again, in 5-7 years will inevitably impact the situation in medicine in general.

      In general, I don't quite understand our government's desire to regulate market relations using socialist methods. No, I realize that those representing the country's top leadership have lived at least half their lives (and the most active part, when their personalities are being formed) in another country, with a different economic system and social relations. Therefore, they reproduce precisely the mechanisms that are familiar and understandable to them, because they know nothing else (or rather, they know, but because it's alien and unusual for them, they have no intention of following it). In the high-sounding language of science, this is called "dual structuration." The term was coined by Anthony Giedens, refined by Pierre Bourdieu, and perfectly explains why, no matter what party you create in Russia, you'll still end up with the CPSU (with its most negative connotations). However, the effectiveness of such inherited constructs is, as a rule, of little use (if they are even remotely applicable), since, I repeat, they were created, tested, and demonstrated effectiveness in a completely different environment, and were not intended for use in other socio-economic and political conditions.

      Why do you wonder why in the West, the very heart and stronghold of bourgeois democracy, most people study on student loans, while scholarships are reserved for a small number of truly gifted students (as well as athletes, since universities also serve as breeding grounds for national sports teams)? This is their method of distributing and incentivizing personnel, a method developed specifically for the capitalist mode of production in general and the reproduction of labor force in particular. That is, for the very same environment whose image we have been painstakingly shaping for all these years and whose principles, albeit with reservations, we continue to adhere to. In this regard, we (or rather the country's leadership, since no one asks the people) must make a final decision: either we continue to build capitalism with all its consequences, or we abandon it and calmly transition to socialism and its methods. There is no third option. Even in China, this didn’t work out, and it didn’t work out precisely because such artificially created simulacra still turn out to be significantly worse than those mechanisms that should operate specifically here and specifically now, and not yesterday and somewhere else.

      P.S. Personally, I have nothing against the system of distributing specialists after university graduation, but it will only be truly effective when the state remembers what is written in Article 7 of the Constitution and stops cutting corners on social services, education, and healthcare to preserve the profit margins of large capital, and stops abdicating responsibility in these areas and shifting it to market mechanisms. However, I fear that without radical reforms, this is practically impossible to achieve.
      1. +7
        20 November 2025 09: 17
        The third is given:
        In this regard, we (or rather the country's leadership, since no one asks the people) must make a final decision: either we continue to build capitalism with all its consequences, or we abandon it and calmly transition to socialism and its methods. There is no third option.

        There is also oligarchic feudalism and digital slavery...
        1. +6
          20 November 2025 09: 50
          There is also oligarchic feudalism and digital slavery...

          Conceptually, neo-feudalism, like fascism, is simply a response of the capitalist formation to the crisis of capitalist relations. In essence, neither is a separate, independent formation (since the old attitude toward the means of production prevails), representing merely one of the possible forms (stages) that capitalism can take when faced with irresolvable contradictions within itself.
          If you allow me, I will quote from my work from October 2014:
          Neo-feudalism is not a return to the past, it is not some kind of regression, but, in accordance with the logic of post-crisis development, new-feudalism is the use of those constructs of human community that have been tested by previous experience of human society, but on a new, higher turn of the “spiral of development”, taking into account the accumulated experience of the industrial and scientific-technological revolution.

          So, in the question of “socialism or barbarism,” there are still no third options. hi
          1. 0
            20 November 2025 10: 08
            You seem to be an expert in the field of social formations.
            Tell me, please, does modern science envisage any kind of formation into which capitalism can be transformed, other than socialism? In a progressive direction, I mean.
            1. +7
              20 November 2025 10: 58
              You seem to be an expert in the field of social formations.

              You flatter me, I'm just a certified specialist in the field of 030201 and 41.04.04 Political Science winked
              Please tell me, does modern science envisage any formation into which capitalism can be transformed, other than socialism?

              Modern social sciences generally try to talk about anything but the formational approach. The topic is certainly not taboo, but it's not popular. Wallerstein, admittedly, tried a bit to invent something new with his world-systems analysis, but it ended up being more applicable to economic geography than to the history of human society as a whole. So, we have to rely on the classics. And, frankly, I only truly grasped the full magnitude of Marx's work when I set out to provide a somewhat substantiated scientific definition of neo-federalism, and not a single (or at all a single) currently fashionable concept could help me with that. But Marxism did. The conclusions are obvious.
              1. +2
                20 November 2025 13: 32
                Thank you for your reply. And yet, I'm saddened that human thought has produced nothing useful in this area over the long period from Stalin's death to the present.
                What do you think about technocratic dictatorship (like Karsak's "Flight of the Earth")?
                1. +2
                  22 November 2025 11: 25
                  What do you think about technocratic dictatorship?

                  Everything will depend on the class to which these technocrats belong. Otherwise, it could turn out like in Ayn Rand, where the so-called "Eloi," represented by the most gifted and enterprising individuals, departed to live in the promised land (Atlantis, if I'm not mistaken), leaving the "Morlocks" to deal with their accumulated problems on their own. So much for the world of technocrats, though not for everyone. It would be a completely different matter if technocrats belonged to the working class, acting in accordance with the interests of the majority. However, then it would no longer be the dictate of technocrats, but the dictate of the proletariat, whose will the technocrats merely express and voice.
                  1. +1
                    22 November 2025 14: 18
                    Thank you, I understand. But how do you tell them apart?
                    It is known from sociology that a person is driven only by the desire for his own good, and he thinks about the public good only under the pressure of this very society.
                    Here's a question for you: why, since the times of the USSR, have those who strive for power stopped declaring global goals, which they want to achieve by managing the social mechanism? Are they shy? wink
                    1. +1
                      22 November 2025 14: 38
                      Quote: Sunwenmin
                      Here's a question for you: why, since the Soviet era, have those who strive for power stopped declaring the global goals they want to achieve by managing society? Are they embarrassed?

                      although the question is not for me hi but maybe it's the globalists who have taken over the world?
                      1. +1
                        22 November 2025 14: 41
                        How would you formulate the goals of the globalists, based on their glorious deeds?
                      2. +1
                        22 November 2025 14: 45
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        How would you formulate the goals of the globalists, based on their glorious deeds?

                        To rule the world with capital—as they see fit, to organize military conflicts for the "unruly" if necessary, or to buy their leaders... and then to buy up the entire world (for example, through stocks in any country where they are sold). The population, preferably, is not very educated for the most part. Scientific and technological progress, especially for the masses, is not their most important thing—if it doesn't interfere with their "work." Probably something like that. Well, and to govern, including with the help of a multitude of agents of influence, who don't necessarily know who they're ultimately working for—they're just getting things done.
                      3. +1
                        22 November 2025 14: 52
                        That is, in their concept they completely ignore two things:
                        1 In the global capitalist economy there will be global crises of overproduction, which threaten the power of capital so dear to their hearts
                        2 Global natural threats to humanity as a species, to which globalists also (for now) belong.
                        And slowing progress will not allow such threats to be stopped.
                        To sum it up: everything is sad when narcissistic fools are in power...
                      4. 0
                        22 November 2025 15: 21
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        In the global capitalist economy there will be global crises of overproduction, which threaten the power of capital so dear to their hearts.

                        Well, the costs of the global economy. Why are you so sure they're inevitable? For example, a crisis of any kind could occur in one, two, or three countries, and overall production would plummet. I don't see any threat to their power here.
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        Global natural threats to humanity as a species, to which globalists also (for now) belong.

                        It's more complicated here, of course... but I think they've foreseen the maximum chance of survival for themselves and their system, and if, of course, a meteorite hits, then yes, that's the end of globalism...
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        To sum it up: everything is sad when narcissistic fools are in power...

                        That's true... it's hard to call them fools, though... but their system, where money gives more power than "guns," and communication systems control information throughout the world—humanity has never had anything like it... and I'm not sure there are any options for getting rid of it without a "meteorite."
                      5. +1
                        22 November 2025 15: 27
                        Yes, Efremov was a genius, although he was untalented as a writer...
                        And about
                        For example, it is possible to create a crisis of any form in one, two, or three countries

                        This is true as long as the two systems are relatively isolated. Then, chaos can be "exported" from one to the other. But with globalization, there will be only one system, and then the chaos will accumulate and there will be nowhere to channel it...
                      6. +5
                        22 November 2025 16: 50
                        You are absolutely right; Demyan Bedny once succinctly put it all into verse:

                        Admiring the wondrous picture,
                        Slaves, bow before me!
                        With its steel web
                        I have entangled the entire globe.
                        I am the embodiment of capital.
                        I am the ruler of the world.
                        Magic shine and ringing of metal -
                        My look and my voice are powerful.

                        The royal crowns are fading,
                        When I put mine on.
                        Breaking thrones with one hand,
                        Another - I create thrones.
                        My hand draws laws
                        And she cancels them.
                        All "fatherlands" are pens to me,
                        Where cattle are human tribes.

                        I want to graze herds in the valleys,
                        I want to - I drive them to the slaughterhouse.
                        My swing - and the area in ruins,
                        And the temples were set on fire.
                        Among all the strongholds my stronghold
                        Stands like an unshakable rock.
                        The Stock Exchange Temple is my shrine,
                        The office desk is my lectern.

                        My gospel is balances,
                        Worship is a "game"
                        Sacred gifts - finances,
                        My priests are accountants.
                        I am the high priest in this temple,
                        Your high priest and leader.
                        Completing my spiritual feat,
                        I collect the golden rain.

                        My treasures are countless
                        I won't give them up without a fight.
                        May they forever be unrequited
                        Slaves pacified by me!
                        May the steps be holy to them,
                        Where am I waiting for the victims of their labors!
                        May they all bow their knees,
                        Kissing the ashes of my footprints!
                      7. +2
                        22 November 2025 21: 32
                        Thank you for the poem, thanks to you I now look at the poet differently hi
                      8. 0
                        22 November 2025 21: 31
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        This is true as long as the two systems are relatively isolated. Then, chaos can be "exported" from one to the other. But with globalization, there will be only one system, and then the chaos will accumulate and there will be nowhere to channel it...

                        Let's use an analogy... When governing one country, why is there bound to be a crisis? What if the entire world is governed as one country? But with nuances, of course. The "natives" think they're independent—it's even easier that way, no social obligations—just influence and perks.
                      9. +1
                        23 November 2025 04: 48
                        When governing one country, why is there bound to be a crisis?

                        A crisis is inevitable; under capitalism, it's called a crisis of overproduction. There are other types of crises, too, for example, "Hard times create strong people, strong people create good times, good times create weak people, and weak people create hard times."
                        Crises are cyclical. Many minds have pondered how to avoid crises. The only solution they came up with was "exporting," transporting the accumulating problems (chaos) to colonies or the periphery, or even to the territory of a defeated enemy.
                        But all these recipes will suddenly cease to work if the earth becomes a single economic organism—figuratively speaking, when every native has an internet-connected smartphone in his hand.
                      10. +1
                        23 November 2025 09: 44
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        But all these recipes suddenly stop working if the earth becomes a single economic organism.

                        It is already almost a single mechanism.
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        They only came up with the idea of ​​"exporting" and taking the accumulating problems (chaos) to the colonies or to the periphery.

                        You yourself write about this... well, they will create chaos between a couple of countries, like they got into a fight for the reason (_______)... they will make money on this and the crisis will pass... You write about how countries supposedly don't exist... but why would they need to get rid of them? It's more convenient with them... and the people don't rebel and there's no need to make revolutions and there's no need to control the territory and support someone... and the perks are in place... buy the most valuable things and don't pay for their security, they will handle all the business themselves (shares and joint ventures)... the globalists don't need the "throne of the world" and the title of "ruler of the world"... they will interfere with the concept
                      11. +1
                        23 November 2025 14: 25
                        The world is not yet fully united, but few countries (read: none) can credibly claim to be self-sufficient in the full range of technologies and products. There are countless examples of this, both here and around the world. I would say the most telling is the global shortage of electronic chips and rare earth elements, caused by the capitalist redistribution of markets and spheres of influence. And the number and severity of such crises will increase...
                      12. 0
                        23 November 2025 14: 47
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        The world is not yet fully united, but few countries (read: none) can credibly claim to be self-sufficient in the full range of technologies and products. There are numerous examples of this, both here and around the world.

                        Economically and financially, it is already considered united, but no one will unite the countries - "divide and conquer"
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        And the number and severity of such crises will increase...

                        How could the globalists possibly suffer from them? They couldn't. They're more likely to be able to preemptively create crises themselves—ones they can profit from. A quick example: Trump or Musk say something, and the stocks either fall or rise, someone else goes bust. But for some reason, they always end up in the black, especially knowing that tomorrow they'll say or do something and something bad will happen to the stocks. People laugh at Trump, and he laughs at them at home, knowing that the Trump family has already earned tens, if not hundreds, of billions of dollars from his speeches.
                      13. +1
                        23 November 2025 14: 52
                        Well, you're probably right, if you consider the transfer of chaos from the economy of a few families to the rest of humanity... But it's damn annoying...
                      14. +1
                        23 November 2025 14: 56
                        Quote: Sunwenmin
                        Well, you're probably right, if you consider the transfer of chaos from the economy of a few families to the rest of humanity... But it's damn annoying...

                        I agree... and I do too... and what's even more offensive is that without some kind of planetary-scale catastrophe, I don't think we can get rid of these bloodsuckers... and I don't really want a catastrophe either...
              2. 0
                22 November 2025 15: 55
                Modern social sciences generally try to talk about anything except the formational approach.


                Two simple questions:
                1) Why did social revolutions occur in Russia and China, and not in England?
                2) Why is it that in England, which was for a long time the flagship of capitalism, the greatest number of vestiges of feudalism have been preserved?

                From the perspective of the world-systems approach, the answers to both questions are elementary, but how can we answer from the perspective of the classics? laughing
                1. +2
                  23 November 2025 11: 00
                  Easy, the classics have already answered. Firstly, the wave of socialist revolutions occurred in backward countries because class contradictions were most acute there. Russia entered WWI as a semi-feudal state. Everyone saw clearly that feudalism had had its day, but the authorities stubbornly clung to it. But in England, the situation was the opposite. The aristocrats there managed to back down in time and make concessions. But the current vestiges of feudalism in England are nothing more than an open-air ethnographic theater.
                  1. +1
                    24 November 2025 16: 33
                    >> the wave of socialist revolutions occurred in backward countries because class contradictions became most acute in them

                    This is nonsense feel

                    From the point of view of classical Marxism, class contradictions should be “most acute” in the most developed countries, and not at all on the periphery.
                    Moreover, your answer immediately raises the following question: these "most acute" class contradictions—are they actually between which classes? In theory, there should be contradictions between the proletarians and the bourgeoisie, but in China, representatives of those classes were a drop in the ocean. Were there many proletarians in Cuba?

                    >> Russia entered WWI as a semi-feudal state.

                    Britain wasn't feudal. Neither was Germany. Or was it? What caliper did you use? On what scale does it show you that Britain wasn't a semi-feudal state, while Russia was? laughing

                    And Turkey? Turkey, or rather the Ottoman Empire at the time, should have been, by your classification, semi-feudal, backward, and with particularly acute class contradictions, and it got itself into a frenzy of WWI, but socialism ultimately failed to materialize there. How come? laughing

                    (Let me give you a hint: classical Marxism constantly confuses the feudal economy, which doesn’t even have a name, and the feudal superstructure with all these feudal titles and class privileges).

                    >> The local aristocrats managed to back down in time and make concessions.

                    What does it mean to "back off"? From the point of view of the classics, the ruling classes cannot back off anywhere and still remain in power, otherwise there wouldn't be all this rhetoric about the inevitability of revolutions. laughing
                    Although, in essence, you're absolutely right; the same could be said about the bourgeoisie: they backed down, agreed to recognize certain rights for workers, and avoided revolution. But this doesn't fit with classical Marxism at all.

                    >> the current remnants of feudalism in England are nothing more than ethnographic theater

                    Let's not talk about today, but about the mid-20th century. For example, one of the chambers of the British Parliament is the House of Lords. Obviously, the Lords sit there. Up to 99, including hereditary ones. Is this also some kind of theater? People sit there, pass laws, but in reality, the reptilians rule? bully
                    1. +2
                      25 November 2025 11: 31
                      Quote: Evil Eye
                      >>
                      From the point of view of classical Marxism, class contradictions should be “most acute” in the most developed countries bully

                      This is what Marx believed, and Lenin and Stalin developed the doctrine and established this pattern, among other things.

                      Quote from Evil Eye
                      And Turkey? Turkey, or rather the Ottoman Empire at the time, should have been, by your classification, semi-feudal, backward, and with particularly acute class contradictions, and it got itself into a frenzy of WWI, but socialism ultimately failed to materialize there. How come?

                      Quote from Evil Eye
                      And Turkey? Turkey, or rather the Ottoman Empire at the time, should have been, by your classification, semi-feudal, backward, and with particularly acute class contradictions, and it got itself into a frenzy of WWI, but socialism ultimately failed to materialize there. How come?


                      Mustafa Kemal Atatürk sends you his greetings. Socialism didn't happen, but the sultanate was effectively abolished, and a national bourgeois republic was established.

                      Quote from Evil Eye
                      What does it mean to "back off"? From the point of view of the classics, the ruling classes cannot back off anywhere and still remain in power, otherwise there wouldn't be all this rhetoric about the inevitability of revolutions.


                      Much has been written about concessions from the ruling class. As has the impossibility of achieving socialism simply by demanding concessions (trade unionism). Here, I can only advise you to read more of those classics, as you clearly have a vague understanding of "classical" Marxism.

                      Quote from Evil Eye
                      For example, one of the chambers of the British Parliament is the House of Lords. Apparently, the Lords sit there. Up to 99 of them, including hereditary ones. Is this also a kind of theater? People sit there, passing laws, while in reality, the reptilians rule?

                      And in whose interests are they passing laws? In the interests of the bourgeoisie and the bourgeois economy. What titles they hold is deeply secondary. Britain has long been a capitalist country.
                      But in China, representatives of these classes were a drop in the ocean.

                      And the bourgeoisie is still becoming smaller, thanks to monopolization, and this does not in the least diminish the intensity of the class struggle.
                      1. 0
                        25 November 2025 17: 20
                        Quote: Capybara67
                        And in whose interests are they passing laws? In the interests of the bourgeoisie and the bourgeois economy. What titles they hold is deeply secondary.

                        And 100 years ago, in whose interests did they pass laws? What has changed? Nothing has changed for them in the last 100 years.
                      2. 0
                        25 November 2025 17: 45
                        England was a capitalist country even in 1925, so I don't argue
                      3. 0
                        28 November 2025 15: 23
                        Quote: Capybara67
                        England was a capitalist country even in 1925, so I don't argue

                        In 1945, the Labour Party came to power in Great Britain. For about a year, Great Britain called itself a socialist country. Of course, Stalin and the NKVD were closer to Churchill than to the British socialists in power.
                      4. 0
                        26 November 2025 01: 11
                        Ahaha.


                        This is what Marx believed, and Lenin and Stalin developed the doctrine and established this pattern, among other things.


                        Well, yes, they did. They needed to explain why all of Marx's predictions failed to come true. Why the global revolution didn't happen, why the growing share of the proletariat didn't lead to widespread internationalism (and in some places, the opposite), why, in places where socialist revolutions did occur (and certainly not in developed countries), neither the state nor monetary circulation disappeared, and so on and so forth.
                        Well, that explained it.
                        Father, why didn't the world end in 1666? I'll explain, my children: the Creator had mercy on us and gave us a second chance. Go.
                        So it is here.
                        True, they explained it, but it lacked predictive power. No matter how much the party program wrote about the "inevitable" fall of capitalism and the "inevitability" of social transformation, in 91, for some reason, everything turned out the other way around. And in China, socialism had already become suspiciously close to capitalism.
                        Well, okay, this is, of course, a betrayal of the party members (which, from a theoretical point of view, by the way, simply could not have happened) and the embourgeoisification of the masses (which is also incredible, but did happen).
                        But the onset of social transformations was also only explained post factum, but it failed to explain, for example, why revolutions occurred in the USSR and China, but not in Turkey and India. Like, revisionists are everywhere, they didn't read Marx well, and the "objective laws of social development" are out the window, right? And by the way, what exactly did Lenin write? Lenin wrote about the Russian Empire being a weak link in global imperialism (i.e., he resorted to metaphors that explain nothing and prove nothing). China, probably, too, although capitalism was practically nonexistent there. But Turkey—obviously—is a pretty strong link.

                        Socialism did not happen, but the sultanate was completely liquidated, and a national bourgeois republic was formed.


                        Don't get off topic. Why, under the same circumstances, was there no socialist revolution in Turkey, but there was in the Russian Empire?
                        If we take the classic view, then in both cases, the vestiges of feudalism should have fallen to the bourgeois republic. This is what happened in Turkey, but not in Russia. And if we take the Lenin view, then revolutions should have occurred on the periphery, but firstly, no chain reaction of revolutions occurred, and secondly, none occurred in Turkey, which was under similar conditions.
                      5. 0
                        26 November 2025 01: 17
                        Much has been written about concessions from the ruling class, as well as about the impossibility of achieving socialism through the demand for concessions alone (trade unionism).


                        No-no-no, don't get off topic.
                        Even a blind person can see that trade unionism does not lead to socialism.
                        However, the classics argued that trade unionism is a rotten form of compromise that will by no means lead to lasting social stability, because class interests are antagonistic, making social peace unattainable. Therefore, I repeat, the transformations will be revolutionary, because reforms will not lead to success.
                        And who would have thought they succeeded? The bourgeoisie made concessions, the working class chose the bird in the hand and, for some reason, stopped "impoverishing itself, both absolutely and relatively," even though it should have.


                        And in whose interests are they passing laws? In the interests of the bourgeoisie and the bourgeois economy. What titles they hold is deeply secondary.


                        Don't get off topic. If titles are deeply secondary, then why does the system change in the first place, following the foundation? Why can't people with titles pass laws first in favor of the bourgeoisie (and have to stage bourgeois revolutions), and then in favor of the workers? Nicholas I would have started passing laws in favor of the bourgeoisie. And Louis. And Cixi, and the Sultan, but somehow no. Is it precisely Britain—the country with the furthest foundation from feudalism (until recently)—that has the most vestiges of feudalism among developed countries?
                      6. -1
                        28 November 2025 15: 33
                        Quote from Evil Eye
                        Even a blind person can see that trade unionism does not lead to socialism.

                        Perhaps the Boitan or Swedish system is closer to socialism than Stalin's. History knows of no example of people moving to Stalin's collective farms and gulags of their own free will and not later curse themselves for their mistake. Stalin's Gulag model demonstrated its viability only in the Pechora artel under Tumanov's leadership. But all its workers hated and despised with a fierce hatred both the Stalinist system and all its leaders.
                      7. +1
                        28 November 2025 16: 09
                        >> The Boitanian system or the Swedish one is closer to socialism than the Stalinist one.

                        British? In what century, excuse me, really? Now, with the mines closed and old people freezing in the winter?

                        I don't know where you see socialism in Sweden—they just have a lot of resources per capita, so they hand it over to the masses. By that logic, the Emirates are also socialist.

                        >> Stalin's Gulag model

                        To put it mildly, judging by your comment, you get your idea of ​​Stalin's USSR from liberal magazines of the 90s or their modern, fugitive successors. This has no bearing on reality.
                      8. -1
                        28 November 2025 20: 45
                        Quote from Evil Eye
                        How can I put it more gently, judging by your comment, you get your idea of ​​Stalin's USSR from liberal magazines of the 90s

                        From my grandmother's stories. They were harsher than what came from the pens of Starinov, Shalamov, Solzhenitsyn, and Smirnov.
                      9. +1
                        29 November 2025 03: 58
                        You know, you can find plenty of people whose relatives were doing great in their 20s and 30s.
                        This doesn't mean anything, everyone has a different experience.
                        On the other hand, those who experienced war or occupation could tell even more.
                      10. 0
                        30 November 2025 22: 10
                        Quote from Evil Eye
                        You know, you can find plenty of people whose relatives were doing great in their 20s and 30s.

                        Reading historical sources (I only include memoirs and media coverage), I can say that life in the 20s and 1930s was terrible for people who weren't particularly talented or hard-working. In the village of Sibiovka in the 30s and 20s, people were poor, and before collectivization, their fellow villagers treated them like lazybones out of pity. One man even had his field plowed and was killed for it, and he became chairman of the Poor Committee. But during the war, when the state became much more just in collecting debts for everyone, half of these people starved to death. Stalin's system changed dramatically. I think Stalin and his scientists realized around 1942 that the henchmen who had carried out collectivization and established collective farms in the 30s were simply a burden on the state and began to get rid of them. The same was done with many former Bolsheviks. And Putin's changes are about getting rid of the dead weight of racketeers, slave traders, bandits, privatizers, foreign agents, and raiders, whom the current government has decided to consider not a tool for keeping ordinary people in line, but dead weight. Remember how Yakimenko and the Nashi movement, called upon to fight the National Bolsheviks, were extolled for 15 years! Now every United Russia deputy in the State Duma considers it useful to have a National Bolshevik on their team, not a former Nashi member.
                      11. 0
                        1 December 2025 20: 33
                        Your letter R is not pressed.

                        If we rely on statistics as a whole, and not in particular, then collectivization with its support from the poor has fulfilled its task, and therefore there is no need to display social chauvinism towards the poorest peasantry.
                        Lenin screwed up not because he relied on the poor, but because under him, trade exchange fell apart.
                      12. 0
                        3 December 2025 01: 00
                        Quote from Evil Eye
                        collectivization with the support of the poor has fulfilled its task,

                        Three years after the start of collectivization, grain exports from the USSR began to steadily decline and by 1965 had given way to imports. With the abolition of collective farms and the end of subsidies for the lazy and the losers, grain exports resumed. Retail prices for chicken eggs in Russia are five times lower than in the US, and the expression "Bush legs" is still widely known!
      2. +4
        20 November 2025 09: 43
        Quote: Dante
        In general, I don’t quite understand our government’s desire to regulate market relations using socialist methods.

        What's the problem with working for three years, even somewhere in the outback? After this period of work, the value, and therefore the salary, of a specialist will be much higher when they find employment. There's nothing socialist about this. The state spent resources on training, and now it wants to recoup, to some extent, its costs. It's a complete market. Under socialism, if you refused to be assigned, you lost your diploma, and you wouldn't be hired.
        1. +1
          20 November 2025 09: 59
          Perhaps it would be better to provide students with a subsidized loan and then take it back when the young professional starts working. This would be more honest, transparent, and avoid any elements of serfdom.
          1. 0
            20 November 2025 13: 34
            Quote: Glock-17
            Perhaps it would be better to provide students with a subsidized loan and then take it back when the young professional starts working. This would be more honest, transparent, and avoid any elements of serfdom.

            The problem is that in this case, you can't send a student to some remote corner for pennies. And that's precisely the goal. An attempt to preserve the crumbling healthcare system in the provinces, and not just healthcare, if you look deeper.
            1. 0
              27 November 2025 01: 37
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              The problem is that in this case you won't be able to send a student to some godforsaken place for pennies.

              Many medical professionals leave the profession due to excessive regulation in the industry. For example, following the US model, nurses must regularly undergo paid certification revalidation. If a woman marries a competent husband, she'll spend two or three years on maternity leave. In Denmark, where a dentist earns $500 to $1000 per shift, they can easily pay for any certification, and a doctor with that salary will also pay for a nurse whose qualifications they're confident in. A real-life example: an Afghan woman who left Russia for Denmark with her family at the age of seven, and her Albanian husband. Both graduated from Danish universities. In Russia, a young woman was offered the opportunity to pay for certification as a condition for admission after a work break. The Ossetian woman was investing in flour trade with Afghanistan and cryptocurrency production in Georgia, while the Azerbaijani woman simply grows vegetables on her garden plot in the Ryazan region and sells them. A Tatar friend from a relatively poor family was forced to work part-time during vacations, once in Turkey, twice in South Korea, and once in Morocco. After earning $2000 a month as a laborer in South Korea, he had no desire to work for hire in either public or private healthcare in Russia. Generally, a Russian education is highly valued internationally. A young woman who could only enroll in a technical school in Russia discovered at the Pan-American University in Mexico that she already knew the curriculum after almost two years, making her an eligible bride for young men from wealthy families. Low salaries for intellectuals in Russia will soon lead to management at the Elektrostal plant seeking metallurgical equipment maintenance specialists from Chinese firms. In my opinion, Russian students, after their third year, if they've truly put in the effort, are capable of working as qualified engineers under a good mentor.
        2. +3
          20 November 2025 10: 16
          What's the problem with working for three years even somewhere on the outskirts?

          This wouldn't be a problem if young professionals were guaranteed state support throughout this period, their salaries were higher than the regional average, and their potential relocation opportunities were limited, at least to the Federal District where they are registered. It would also be beneficial if such young professionals were covered by programs like the "Zemsky Doctor" program, as well as other local and federal benefits, which is unlikely to happen in an era of total austerity.

          Regarding market relations, remember that the state isn't a specific person. The state is the collective labor of all of us, of society as a whole, and everything the state owns isn't given to it by aliens from the distant constellation Tau Ceti, but by us, ordinary people (both directly through our taxes and indirectly through our labor). So what kind of market relations can there be if we ourselves (you understand, we, and no one else) have consciously given up part of our income so that our children can receive a guaranteed education and pensioners a pension? Yes, there is certainly a social mandate, that is, a need for a certain number of people in a particular profession, but let's answer the question: what should society do if someone who has received a specialty, for some reason, is unable to work in their chosen field? Should we burden such a person with a yoke that is too heavy for a single person, or can we simply write off the expenses, understanding that by doing so we will more quickly include him in the general workforce, albeit in a different guise than what was originally intended?
          1. 0
            24 November 2025 08: 58
            Money is the least of the problems, even in times of crisis. You don't even have to come up with complicated schemes; you can simply buy housing for ordinary medical workers with money confiscated from criminals.
            According to the Prosecutor General's Office, since 2020, funds and property worth a total of 800 billion rubles have been recovered from corrupt officials in Russia, including over 11 movable and immovable property.
            With an average housing price of 5 million, 171,000 apartments or houses could be purchased in remote regions.
            This is a very competitive alternative to a mortgage, as a medical professional will have housing within 3-5 years, reducing demand for expensive bank mortgages. The state can purchase housing directly from the developer. This will encourage people to work in the medical field without having to hold a specific job, improving wages and the country's demographics. It's all a classic example: Sharik in the cartoon said that we have money, but we lack brains...
        3. +8
          20 November 2025 10: 30
          A man entered medical school. He pays 300 rubles a year for tuition, and does so for five years. Then he must complete another three years of graduate school. How much will the state pay young doctors? 30 rubles a month.
          Under socialism, he was paid a stipend, a dormitory, and free education.
          Once again FREE EDUCATION.
          1. +2
            20 November 2025 10: 53
            Quote: dimon642
            and so on for five years.

            6 years.
            Quote: dimon642
            He must then complete another three years of graduate study.

            2 or 3 years of residency.
            Quote: dimon642
            Under socialism, he was paid a stipend, a dormitory, and free education.

            This is exactly Yes
          2. +1
            20 November 2025 15: 22
            Quote: dimon642
            He pays 300 rubles a year for tuition, and does so for five years. Then he must complete another three years of graduate school.

            This law does not apply to paid workers. They are free to find employment wherever they wish.
            1. 0
              20 November 2025 17: 26
              On November 17, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law that effectively requires all medical school graduates to spend their first three years of internship under the supervision of a mentor at a clinic that provides services under the compulsory medical insurance system. Furthermore, all state-funded residency positions will be earmarked.
          3. 0
            21 November 2025 09: 46
            Quote: dimon642
            A man is admitted to medical school. He pays 300 rubles a year for tuition, and does so for five years. Then he must complete another three years of graduate school.

            The discussion is about BUDGET FREE places - paid ones will not be distributed
            1. +1
              21 November 2025 12: 38
              Better read the law. It says three years of mentorship, regardless of whether it's state-funded or not. State-funded residency will be targeted.
        4. +6
          20 November 2025 10: 51
          Quote: qqqq
          What's the problem with working for three years even somewhere on the outskirts?

          Are you kidding? What's the outskirts to you? A clinic in a provincial town hundreds of kilometers from the regional center, where you might become the chief specialist and savior of the local healthcare system, plus a rented apartment with a ridiculous salary, the despondency of a dying province, and gradual professional and personal degradation. And don't even compare it to the Soviet-era personnel distribution system.
          Quote: qqqq
          now it wants to compensate

          Quote: qqqq
          Solid market.

          Well, if it's a completely market-based practice, then not only should prices be market-based, but wages as well. For 300-500 rubles a month, a doctor will travel to the provinces, because with that kind of income, they can live comfortably, afford savings, a car, and square footage.
          Quote: qqqq
          Under socialism, if you refused to be assigned, your diploma would be lost and you wouldn’t be hired.

          Under socialism, everything was free. Now, students and residents rent apartments for 25-35 rubles a month.
          1. 0
            20 November 2025 15: 27
            Quote: FIR FIR
            A clinic in a provincial town hundreds of kilometers from the regional center, where you might become the chief specialist and savior of the local healthcare system, and to top it all off, a rented apartment with a hefty salary, the despondency of a dying province, and gradual professional and personal degradation.

            What, don't you have to work there? And yes, someone who got their education for free should still have to reimburse the state for their education. I'm all for paying doctors higher salaries, but we have what we have, and in this case, three years of work experience for little money will still be cheaper for a doctor than paid training. Everyone decides for themselves; if you want freedom of choice, pay up.
            1. +2
              27 November 2025 02: 16
              Quote: qqqq
              Why don't you have to work there?

              Then it would be better to send State Duma deputies and oligarchs every five years to work as orderlies in hospitals for a year, under the supervision of medical school graduates. Let them practice the state's protection of their privileges from socialist revolutions and the expropriation of their property by Western and Eastern partners!
              1. 0
                27 November 2025 11: 14
                Quote: gsev
                Then it would be more appropriate to send State Duma deputies and oligarchs once every five years to work as orderlies in hospitals for a year under the supervision of medical school graduates.

                The idea is certainly not bad, but it's completely unrealistic. We live in the real world.
                1. 0
                  1 December 2025 18: 08
                  Quote: qqqq
                  We live in the real world.

                  Well, yes, but in the real world of capitalism fellow .....................
            2. 0
              1 December 2025 18: 04
              Quote: qqqq
              Everyone decides for themselves

              Quote: qqqq
              If you want freedom of choice, pay up.

              Great! wassat
          2. +6
            20 November 2025 16: 08
            Quote: FIR FIR
            And now students and residents rent apartments for 25-35 thousand per month.

            But it's worth noting that state-funded students receive a stipend of... a whopping 3 rubles. Just enough for a public transportation pass! And all student discounts on intercity bus travel, train compartments, and plane tickets have been cancelled. Everything for the young people! Never before has life been as good as under Putin! Isn't that right?
            1. -1
              27 November 2025 20: 27
              Quote: Stas157
              Everything for the youth!

              Compared to China, higher education fees in Russia are quite low, and the admission threshold for state-funded places is also quite low. But a student needs not only talent but also additional study methods, using a good methodology. The Unified State Exam (USE) is often overlooked, but this system has equalized the chances of applicants from the periphery with those from Moscow and the Caucasus, and students from the Caucasus who came to Phystech demonstrated a good ability to master the curriculum.
              Quote: Stas157
              Never before has a person lived as well as under Putin!!

              In general, based on my personal impressions, I completely agree with you. Low taxes for self-employed individuals and minimal bureaucracy. It's possible to earn a net income of 1,880,000 rubles a year. Many of the evils of Yeltsin-era Russia—the rampant banditry, the crime, the propaganda of alcoholism, azvat, and the constitution on TV—have become obsolete. Those who previously recruited terrorists into underground gangs (Politkovskaya) or distributed $30 million to the CIA for a pro-Ukrainian coup (Nemtsov) are dead, and their accomplices are clearing themselves of their foreign agent status.
        5. -4
          21 November 2025 12: 06
          One of the few reasonable comments on this article, I agree. Otherwise, it's just propaganda about how bad everything is here and whining.
        6. 0
          23 November 2025 13: 05
          What's the problem with working for three years even somewhere on the outskirts?
          The problem is that you will have to work for a minimum wage, and you will have to solve your housing problems yourself.
          1. -2
            23 November 2025 19: 45
            Quote: Ua3qhp
            The problem is that you will have to work for a minimum wage, and you will have to solve your housing problems yourself.

            You can calculate and compare the cost of tuition with three years of work with a small salary and opt for paid education. Regarding housing, I don't quite agree. This issue can be resolved, although it varies from place to place. But then again, there's always the option of paying for your own education.
            1. +2
              23 November 2025 20: 24
              The issue is being resolved, although the process varies from place to place. But, again, there's always the option of paying for your own education.
              The housing issue is resolved if they want to lure an employee, and that costs money. But if they're essentially sending a slave, who's going to spend their own money on their housing? Where would they go? Now, if this law were accompanied by a rule that those working their notice period must be provided with company housing, that would change things completely.
              If it is possible to pay for education, then we are moving towards a situation where doctors will only come from wealthy families of hereditary medical leaders.
              1. osp
                0
                24 November 2025 01: 12
                So in the USA, medical education is paid for and not cheap.
                But doctors are respected and earn good money.
                Often their children go on to study to become doctors - they work as families.
                Since childhood in this system.
                This demonstrates the elitism of medical education there and filters out those who go into medicine simply for a diploma without seeing themselves as doctors.
            2. osp
              +1
              23 November 2025 20: 33
              Would you like to see the price list for Pirogovka?
              Where will a guy or girl from the village of Gadyukino pay 900 thousand a year for their education there?
              Calculate how much this is for 6 years of study.
              Where do these provincial guys get so much money?
              And yes, residency is now 100% targeted.
              Even for paying users.
              1. 0
                23 November 2025 21: 32
                And yes, residency is now 100% targeted.
                Even for paying users.
                For now, the payers are not touched.
              2. -1
                24 November 2025 08: 34
                Quote from osp
                Where will a guy or girl from the village of Gadyukino pay 900 thousand a year for their education there?

                Moscow is 900 rubles. Further afield, it's around 250 rubles per year and even cheaper. You can choose a less prestigious university, and the quality of education there will be just as good, if not better.
        7. 0
          28 November 2025 15: 48
          Quote: qqqq
          What's the problem with working for three years even somewhere on the outskirts?

          A young man or woman entering university is denying themselves the prospect of family happiness for five years. If this period were increased to eight to ten years, Russia would simply see a decline in the number of people with the genes for scientific talent. Going to university only to be forced into slavery for three years? Are there really any fools willing to do that? People will either flee after the fourth grade, or the smartest ones will. But we must remember that during the Soviet Union's time, the aviation industry only needed one or two talented graduates who understood aerodynamics well enough to devise a new design and solve the scientific problems facing the industry. All the other incompetent people who studied aerodynamics at MAI simply went to work in technical positions and spent their entire lives doing detail work. I recently spoke with a Tatar woman from St. Petersburg. She was put to work at a loom weaving carpets at 14, and now she owns a carpet-weaving factory where girls start working as young as 13. She wants the same fate for her daughter—to marry her off at 15 to a Tatar university graduate. If Putin sends her fiancé off to some remote place for three years of forced labor, she'll simply move her production to Western Europe or Central Asia. With his stupid laws, Putin is at best provoking the creation of an alternative economy.
          1. -1
            28 November 2025 16: 50
            Quote: gsev
            When a young man or woman enters university, they deny themselves the prospect of family happiness for five years. If this period were increased to eight to ten years, Russia would simply see a decline in the number of people with the genes for scientific talent.

            They can start a family while still in college and not wait 8-10 years. Most people in the USSR did just that (I started a family in my fourth year). And they can go to work together. I'm sure even families will get better offers, not to mention those with children. Don't exaggerate the depth of the problem. Again, the Soviet experience shows that working after college is the norm, whereas before, you had to work for 10 years, and they worked, lived, and raised children.
            1. +1
              28 November 2025 21: 16
              Quote: qqqq
              They can start a family in a university and not wait 8-10 years.

              What's the point of raising a family if you can't support a child? Why should a girl wait 10 years and then claim she's having an oligophen? It makes more sense for her to settle into the harem of a wealthy Arab or Azerbaijani man and have a child at the optimal age for childbearing—two children before 21 and two children after 21.
              1. 0
                29 November 2025 22: 12
                Quote: gsev
                What's the point of calling your family home if you can't support your child?

                Yes, anything is possible, if there's a will. Three years is enough to squeeze in. We've all been there.
              2. 0
                29 November 2025 22: 13
                Quote: gsev
                Why should a girl wait 10 years and claim that she has Oligafen?

                Why wait? Why does it have to be mentally retarded? You're going down the wrong path. Totally off topic and out of touch.
        8. 0
          28 November 2025 21: 11
          Quote: qqqq
          The state has spent resources on education, now it wants to compensate, to some extent

          In this case, the government's actions lead to a reduction in tax revenues, higher profits for private companies, and increased capital outflows. Currently, the main enterprises are private. Private companies hire effective managers to lower wages, especially for the intelligentsia. Often, such wage reductions lead to the employer simply being unable to find a specialist after the death or dismissal of a specialist and shutting down an entire line of business. Therefore, the private company seeks to shift all costs to the state and pocket all the profits. In this case, the lobbyists for this law lobbied for the introduction of debt slavery for medical school graduates in Russia. Moreover, a university graduate is likely a rather mediocre specialist, but if a girl is sent to the periphery, she is a very convenient target for sexual harassment at work. Impoverished graduates of medical schools and medical colleges are very attractive targets for this; they can diagnose sexually transmitted diseases, skin infections, and fungal infections. The fact that doctors and aspiring artists were impoverished in the USSR and Russia was very important for those who could form their harems out of them. If someone wants to bring doctors back into the profession, then it would be enough to make nurse certification free for them, but introduce payments for each certified worker. Moreover, a doctor or nurse is often required to have a narrow specialization. In some cases, a nurse must be able to patch up the wounded under artillery fire without reacting to the whistling of shrapnel and quickly stop the bleeding, while in other cases, she must be able to calculate proportions and practically prepare medicines.
        9. 0
          28 November 2025 21: 37
          Quote: qqqq
          Now it wants to recoup, to some extent, its costs.

          How do you envision this compensation? The state invested in training and sent the person to work for a private company, most likely in a hospital somewhere in Shchuchye or Norilsk. The medic will be paid the bare minimum so he doesn't die of hunger and cold within three years or hang himself out of desperation. His salary is minimal, which means the state's taxes are minimal. Prokhoov or Kiriyenko will spend the profits somewhere in Germany on a luxury car or bathroom fixtures. If you need to force medics to treat more intensively, cancel your idiotic statistical reporting and send the people who read and vet these reports from the tax authorities to work as doctors. Currently, doctors in state hospitals and clinics don't have the time to diagnose patients. His main responsibility is to fill out statistical reports. The same applies at school.
          1. 0
            29 November 2025 22: 15
            Quote: gsev
            The state invested money in training and sent the man to work for a private company, most likely in a hospital somewhere in Shchuchye or Norilsk.

            Private? People get part-time jobs in private companies to supplement their income. Do you even understand what you're talking about?
            1. 0
              30 November 2025 22: 39
              Quote: qqqq
              To a private one?
              In 1993, there were few private clinics. Around that time, I was told the bribe amount for the chief physician to consider a commercial proposal, without any obligation to accept it, for the hospital to purchase some new technology. In reality, under capitalism, the line between private and public is blurred. Post-state leaders believe that profitability and the selection of competent specialists are not their responsibility, but the responsibility of Putin and Mishustin.
        10. 0
          30 November 2025 22: 25
          Quote: qqqq
          The state has spent resources on education, and now it wants to recoup, to some extent, its costs.

          The government had already extended the training period for doctors by three years, calling them "interns." Now they've extended it by another three years. However, the reason isn't a shortage of doctors in Russia, but rather that the government is hammering nails with microscopes, forcing doctors to write stupid paperwork and pass stupid tests to confirm their qualifications. If the paperwork and certification are abolished (a doctor or nurse who has given birth to two children will 80% not return to medicine after maternity leave because of certification), then doctors will begin to return to the profession, and if additional work is introduced, the exodus will accelerate. The market quite effectively corrects the imbalances in the shortage of all specialties, and the state has a more effective lever for changing wages than forceful administration.
          1. 0
            1 December 2025 20: 44
            You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Internships lasted one year after graduation and were the primary specialization. Initially, there were two specialties—surgery and therapy—and in the final years of its existence, general practitioners were added. Now, there are no internships anywhere.
      3. +10
        20 November 2025 10: 05
        Quote: Dante
        They lived in another country, with a different economic system and social relations, and therefore they reproduce precisely those mechanisms that are familiar and understandable to them, because they do not know anything else.

        Yes, they know and understand everything. When it suits them, capitalism is implemented at cosmic speed. But when it doesn't, an idea is plucked from the depths of the last century and, blending with current reality, transforms into a bizarre hybrid, unviable and uniquely ugly...
        Quote: Dante
        either we continue to build capitalism with all the consequences

        Yes, capitalism, capitalism, but without the "consequences," at the level of the early 19th century. And that format of capitalism didn't offer mass, high-quality education and healthcare to the population, only to the "elite" 5%, while everyone else was destined for an unenviable fate... So, don't be surprised by local initiatives that "fit into the market." And there's also the enormous Soviet reserve of tens of thousands of schools and hospitals, hundreds of institutes. Even over the decades, it proved impossible to "optimize" this entire machine. It's still possible to "ride it"...
        As for mandatory work experience, this incredibly clever idea will likely further strengthen doctors' public image, motivation, and future outlook. We look forward to continuing this work with educators...
        1. +1
          20 November 2025 10: 31
          There is no capitalism in Russia.
          There is rampant feudalism in Russia.
          1. osp
            +1
            20 November 2025 14: 13
            To some extent, this is true.
            Kleptocracy with elements of socialism.
            The population's debt for housing and communal services alone exceeds 1.5 trillion rubles!
            With such debts, under capitalism, the majority of the country's population would live in slums with stove heating.
            But this doesn't happen with us.
            Because of the huge federal subsidies for housing and communal services.
            Although there is probably nothing like this in capitalist countries, where the state maintains private property (privatized apartments) at its own expense.
            Because even the annual increase in tariffs for these services no longer allows the system to function at an acceptable level - almost all municipal unitary enterprises and housing and communal services enterprises have long been bankrupt.
            1. 0
              20 November 2025 16: 48
              Where did you see elements of socialism?
              1. osp
                0
                20 November 2025 20: 45
                And in which capitalist country in the world does the state maintain, to a large extent, citizens’ apartments that are privately owned and a housing and utilities system that has no analogues in the world?
                1.5 trillion rubles in debt for utility bills.
                All these municipal unitary enterprises, housing maintenance offices, water utilities, and others in many cities have long been bankrupt - they live on federal budget injections to somehow maintain housing, supply water and heat.
                The housing and utilities system and the housing stock as a whole inherited from the USSR are unique and have no analogues in the world.
                In principle, it cannot exist on a self-supporting basis without government injections.
                Even by increasing tariffs annually.

                And yes, until recently, in Moscow, the owner of an apartment on Arbat worth 180 million rubles was considered "low-income" according to some criteria and received utility subsidies from the state.
                Tell me, in what country in the world could this happen?
                In a capitalist country.
                So that the owner of luxury real estate in the center of the capital, worth 2 million euros, is considered poor and milks the state treasury?
                1. +1
                  21 November 2025 08: 23
                  Quote from osp
                  And in which capitalist country in the world does the state maintain, to a large extent, citizens’ apartments that are privately owned and a housing and utilities system that has no analogues in the world?

                  Well, for example, in my building, there are 2 debtors out of 20, i.e. 10%, and the rest of the residents pay for them, from the common house meter, and in the future, they will be charged extra...
                  Quote from osp
                  All these municipal unitary enterprises, housing maintenance offices, water utilities, and others in many cities have long been bankrupt - they live on federal budget injections to somehow maintain housing, supply water and heat.

                  Well, this is no longer about socialism, but about distributing money over the years, not for repairs...
                  Quote from osp
                  And yes, until recently, in Moscow, the owner of an apartment on Arbat worth 180 million rubles was considered "low-income" according to some criteria and received utility subsidies from the state.

                  This is an isolated case, not a rule, and if it is a rule, then it is an example:
                  Utility benefits in Connecticut, USA:
                  Energy assistance: Programs such as LIHEAP (Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program) help cover home heating and cooling costs.
                  Regarding taxes, there is also NO tax on housing if your housing falls into the cheap category, which is what 70% of our housing falls into, and the family income is small, etc.
                  1. 0
                    21 November 2025 09: 40
                    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                    Well, for example, in my building, there are 2 debtors out of 20, i.e. 10%, and the rest of the residents pay for them, from the common house meter, and in the future, they will be charged extra...

                    8 out of 12 don't pay—I know a building like that. It's impossible to collect the debts—they're pensioners...
                    1. osp
                      -1
                      21 November 2025 19: 19
                      As a rule, there are few alcoholics and marginalized people among defaulters.
                      As a rule, pensioners, disabled people, women with children, and the unemployed do not pay.
                      They were forced to privatize or buy these apartments. And it's impossible to evict someone from there.
                      How to collect debts - these people's incomes are at the subsistence level.
                      Some of them are paid by others for a long time, some are paid by the state (see my comments above about how all the municipal unitary enterprises and others have long been bankrupt - they exist on federal subsidies.
                      The water utility in the district center can't even buy an excavator for 12 million rubles - they need electricity, taxes, employee salaries, and replace the rotten pipes from the Khrushchev era.
                      The money that people pay no longer covers anything.

                      In Europe, low-income people live in municipally rented apartments, which offer subsidies. Or in the private sector, which is often cheaper.
                      An apartment is owned only by those who can pay for, maintain and manage this housing.
                      The government doesn't provide any subsidies to housing and utilities there. Whatever they earn is theirs.
                      For us, the most important thing is not profit, but proximity to the budget, proximity to the authorities.
                      This is the only way an organization can survive.
              2. 0
                21 November 2025 09: 44
                Quote: Gardamir
                Where did you see elements of socialism?

                8 out of 12 people don't pay their utilities—I know someone in an apartment building like that. Collecting debts of 200,000 to 300,000 rubles is impossible—they're pensioners...
                The apartments are owned, there is nowhere to move to.

                For any (absolutely any!!!!!) In capitalism they would have been taken out under a bridge into a refrigerator box.
                This is, albeit residual, socialism.
                1. +1
                  21 November 2025 10: 30
                  Well, these are just remnants that the authorities are tirelessly fighting over.
                  1. 0
                    21 November 2025 11: 58
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    Well, these are just remnants that the authorities are tirelessly fighting over.

                    What do you mean leftovers???!!!!
                    Izvestia reports this, citing the Federal Bailiff Service (FSSP). According to FSSP statistics, as of January 1, 2025, the balance of unfinished enforcement proceedings for debt collection amounted to 3,2 млн, a year ago there were 3,5 million such production facilities.
                    If we take 2 people per 1 apartment/house of non-payers, then at least 6.5 million people need to be evicted. capitalism. belay
                    And under the bridges it's empty.....
                    1. +1
                      21 November 2025 12: 10
                      Nowadays in Russia they don’t want to collect taxes from millionaires, but this is definitely not socialism.
                      1. 0
                        21 November 2025 12: 18
                        Quote: Gardamir
                        Now in Russia with mThey don't want to take taxes from millionaires, but this is definitely not socialism.

                        Hmm, they do pay, and even a little more (I absolutely agree—it's not enough, it should be 30-40%) than they charge for regular accounts. And they introduced a tax on deposits.
                      2. osp
                        +2
                        21 November 2025 19: 26
                        When mass apartment privatization began in the 90s and 00s, this law provided for the transfer of ONLY the living space to citizens' ownership! That's it. An apartment can't exist outside the home. That's it.
                        The privatization of common property and the land under the building (except for the rare oases of HOA/TSN/ZhSK where this was formalized as shared ownership) was not envisaged.
                        That is, the land under the house, the basement, the elevators, and so on, remained state-owned, municipal property.
                        Although there is no such practice anywhere in the world.
                2. 0
                  21 November 2025 11: 05
                  In England it is simply impossible to smoke out such devils.
                  1. 0
                    27 November 2025 02: 25
                    Quote: Anglorussian
                    In England it is simply impossible to smoke out such devils.

                    If they are smoked out, the victims of this practice will create such a symbiosis of ISIS and the Red Brigades that the Khmer Rouge and the Red Guards will look like good boys in comparison.
                    1. -1
                      27 November 2025 04: 30
                      They won't create one—you've overlooked the cinema and read too much about Constantinople. It's just that debt collection is often significantly more expensive than the debt itself, and they have nothing to take from you anyway—they'll be taking three to five pounds a month from your benefits.
                      1. -1
                        27 November 2025 06: 23
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        They won't create it - you've watched too much cinema and read too much Constantinople.

                        The Chinese Communist Revolution began when two troublemakers decided to organize a trade union, only to be executed by a local boss. This inspired Mao to consider creating a more radical party with more radical methods. In Cambodia, opposition leftist groups and parties never represented a serious force against either the French or the king. The local elite had long plundered and oppressed the peasantry. But then, out of nowhere, the Khmer Rouge appeared, the first to claim victory over the American proxies in Cambodia and virtually wiped out the entire Cambodian elite. In Russia, the strike at the Goujon plant buried the Chesnosotsky movement and the unity of the common people with the tsar after the government sided with French investors.
                      2. -1
                        27 November 2025 14: 42
                        This is not Cambodia or China, and certainly not Tsarist Russia. tongue .
                3. 0
                  21 November 2025 11: 56
                  Quote: your1970
                  8 out of 12 people don't pay their utilities—I know someone in an apartment building like that. Collecting debts of 200,000 to 300,000 rubles is impossible—they're pensioners...
                  The apartments are owned, there is nowhere to move to.

                  Under any (absolutely any!!!!!) capitalism they would have been thrown under a bridge into a refrigerator box.
                  This is, albeit residual, socialism.

                  Well, that's until they die... the heirs won't be able to avoid paying their debts.
                  1. 0
                    21 November 2025 12: 09
                    Quote: 2 level advisor
                    Quote: your1970
                    8 out of 12 people don't pay their utilities—I know someone in an apartment building like that. Collecting debts of 200,000 to 300,000 rubles is impossible—they're pensioners...
                    The apartments are owned, there is nowhere to move to.

                    Under any (absolutely any!!!!!) capitalism they would have been thrown under a bridge into a refrigerator box.
                    This is, albeit residual, socialism.

                    Well, that's until they die... the heirs won't be able to avoid paying their debts.

                    Pfff, there are heirs, but they won't accept the inheritance—the debt was greater than the value of the apartments before 2022. Now housing has become more expensive, but the amounts are still exorbitant.
                    And you can't expropriate the housing with the heirs - that is, you can't even confiscate it for resettlement from larger areas to smaller ones
                    1. 0
                      21 November 2025 12: 15
                      Quote: your1970
                      Pfff, but there are heirs, but they don't accept the inheritance - the debt was greater than the value of the apartments until 2022.

                      Escheated property - he just takes it and runs away from them through the courts... Why not expropriate it if they have nothing to do with it? At the very least, they'll be brought to court as third parties and let them decide...
                      1. 0
                        21 November 2025 12: 20
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        ownerless property - he just takes it and leaves them through the courts... why not ownerless it if they have nothing to do with it?

                        The courts refuse our administration - if the heir went to a notary and filed an application.
                        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                        At worst, they will be brought to court as third parties and let them decide...
                        The court cannot force you to accept an inheritance - it is a purely voluntary matter.
                      2. 0
                        21 November 2025 13: 50
                        Quote: your1970
                        The courts refuse our administration - if the heir went to a notary and filed an application.

                        Well, that's a slightly different nuance... then you can establish the legal fact of acceptance of the inheritance... Anything is possible, they just haven't gotten around to it yet... or there's no such goal... well, or as always - normal lawyers either become bosses or leave the civil service and are no longer interested, and those who remain are either wooden or beginners in 99%
                        Quote: your1970
                        The court cannot force you to accept an inheritance - it is a purely voluntary matter.

                        but he can raise the question at the meeting - either admit that what you want is yours or admit that you don't want it...
      4. +2
        20 November 2025 10: 19
        Quote: Dante
        I don't quite understand our government's desire to regulate market relations using socialist methods.

        Capitalists don't want to pay fairly. They want to ride on the backs of others. Therefore, they prefer to solve their problems by using non-market methods (without raising doctors' salaries) rather than by force.
        1. -4
          20 November 2025 11: 33
          I don't quite understand your logic. How is the state's investment different from your investment in an apartment at the foundation stage?
          I am not defending a crooked law, but the system must go through a stage of "disease" so that the "child" crippled by laws can live with a comprehensive "immune" system.
          What I see in this encumbrance:
          1. If someone is passionate about working as a doctor, they'll go there to study. Whether to pursue paid or unpaid training is a personal decision, based on their abilities and interest in the work.
          2. Yes, we can gradually forget about free healthcare. It's a fact. Take China, for example. There, you pay right away at the clinic/hospital. Moreover, blood tests and other procedures are also paid for, but the speed of testing there is much higher due to automation.
          3. Well, we need to adequately understand that the current goal of the state is to prevent us mortals from living to retirement.

          Everything that follows depends entirely on us. Either we sit back and snore after every argument on forums and chats. Or the country begins to actively unravel, with the emergence of trade unions and a fierce defense of workers' rights. As they wrote, we have the blatant capitalism of the early 19th century, which was later forced to shift toward social policy. In other words, the system itself is unsustainable. I agree that coordinating a repressive mood and a peaceful strike within Russia is very problematic – our country is vast. But we have to start somewhere.

          London (Carthage) must be destroyed. PROXOR
          1. 0
            21 November 2025 09: 52
            Quote: PROXOR
            Or the country begins to experience active unrest with the emergence of trade unions and a fierce defense of workers' rights.

            In the US, during the early days of trade unions, the murder rate over a 10-year period was around 340%. belay leaders. That is, the first 3 heads of trade union organizations were guaranteed killed within 10 years.
            If you think things will be different for us - if the union leaders have real power - then it won't be...
            1. +1
              21 November 2025 11: 25
              So what options are there for developing a trade union movement in a capitalist world? Right now, the US has a fairly civilized labor market where unions have EVERYTHING. And if the truckers' union goes on strike, even Mexico won't be able to replace them, as they'll simply get their faces beat up and their trucks torched on the highway.
              And here we have Platonovs, weight limits are lying, technical inspection is doing crazy things, and the long-haulers can't do anything. Because there's no unity among them.
              And the capitalist owner of the transport company will simply put migrant workers behind the wheel and that's it. Look who's currently driving dump trucks in Moscow and the Moscow region.
              1. +1
                22 November 2025 11: 35
                The truckers' union in the United States is truly a powerful organization. They even make movies about themselves starring Hollywood stars, such as Stallone (who, if I'm not mistaken, even starred in "Fist" and "Over the Top") and Liam Neeson (Iceland Drive).
      5. +3
        21 November 2025 08: 19
        Such a long pamphlet, and you're not even going to read the law? It's actually enshrining a system that's not Soviet, but rather American. You study and can quit without working, but you have to pay the tuition fee plus a coefficient, essentially an educational loan.
        Half of those who don't study on a targeted program end up in cosmetology or something similar, not medicine. Meanwhile, those who wanted to become doctors weren't able to get in. So what kind of education should the state give to these smart kids?
      6. +2
        21 November 2025 09: 37
        Quote: Dante
        Aim higher, colleague. A precedent has been set that will likely put a stop to all higher education, at least in areas of social significance.

        Exactly 10 years ago here at VO everyone was beating their chests and shouting, “We need mandatory work and assignments: otherwise students have nowhere to work!!!” (C)
        10 years have passed.....
      7. 0
        23 November 2025 18: 34
        In general, I don’t quite understand our government’s desire to regulate market relations using socialist methods.
        After almost 40 years of turmoil, you still haven't learned that the market can only decide things in its favor? And it couldn't care less about social welfare and education. How many more decades do you need to start understanding this?
    3. -3
      20 November 2025 09: 33
      Quote from turembo
      Well, this law is basically another nail in the coffin called medicine.

      In the USSR, there was mandatory placement, usually into the most remote areas. But no matter—the best doctors today are from that era. The state spent resources on training specialists and has the right to recoup those costs. No one is taking away a graduate's right to decline mandatory work, but please pay for your own education.
      1. +5
        20 November 2025 10: 28
        Quote: qqqq
        The state has spent resources on training a specialist and it has the right to recoup your costs.

        There is no "public money", only taxpayers' money. © Thatcher.

        Do you think the state should repay the money spent on social services for its citizens? Then why should citizens pay taxes? And finally, why does the Constitution enshrine the right to free education, our guardian?
        1. +4
          20 November 2025 11: 00
          Quote: Stas157
          the right to free education

          This indigestible right hails from the mossy, unprogressive, and backward Soviet past. Surely, by today's standards, the smartest leaders would abolish such desperate stupidity. wassat
          1. +2
            20 November 2025 12: 55
            By the way, this is where everything is heading.
        2. +2
          20 November 2025 15: 36
          Quote: Stas157
          And finally, why is the right to free education enshrined in the Constitution, our guardian?

          You probably don't realize what kind of country you live in. Socialism was long ago traded for jeans and chewing gum. In essence, no one abolished free education, but it was burdened with mandatory work. The state doesn't return the money; it compensates with services. In godforsaken corners, people have the right to healthcare, education, and so on. Issues are resolved according to one's own understanding and financial capabilities. Under feudalism, it's difficult to discuss social justice.
        3. -1
          21 November 2025 09: 56
          Quote: Stas157
          There is no "public money", only taxpayers' money. © Thatcher.

          Never quote this nonsense.
          Because if this is true, then everything free (apartments, medicine, etc.) in the USSR was paid for by citizens, not by the state, and therefore they are not free for the people....
          And taxes in the USSR for citizens were...
          1. +2
            21 November 2025 11: 22
            Quote: your1970
            Everything was free (apartments, medicine, etc.) in the USSR were paid for by citizens, and not by the state and therefore they are not free for the people....
            And taxes in the USSR for citizens were...

            That's all true. I don't see the problem! But you have a hidden criticism in your statement. What's wrong with the socialist economy? Because the redistribution of the final product of labor was more equitable than today? No. Equating your beloved capitalism with socialism won't work. Don't even try.
            1. -1
              21 November 2025 12: 15
              Quote: Stas157
              That's all right. I don't see a problem!

              I repeat - in the case of the USSR, either Thatcher's words are nonsense, or if she is right, the cries of Sovietophiles about "free ass!!!!" (c) are nonsense.
              In my opinion, M. Thatcher's formula in the case of the USSR is a lie and inapplicable.

              That's why I warned you against using it in specific in the case of the USSR
              And not at all what you always thought to yourself - without reading the opponent, but purely based on the label fool
        4. -2
          23 November 2025 18: 37
          There is no "public money", only taxpayers' money. © Thatcher.
          Maybe we should try to think for ourselves, rather than the way our Western handlers have so diligently forced us to think? It's no secret what the Russian budget is made up of and how much taxpayer money is in it.
          1. +2
            23 November 2025 19: 50
            Quote from barbos
            Look

            Look here and write how much.
            Second, isn't the money from mineral royalties the people's (taxpayers') money? If not, whose money is it? The personal money of government officials, in your opinion?
            1. -1
              23 November 2025 19: 56
              Isn't the money from mineral rent the people's (taxpayers') money?
              Do you think the people (taxpayers) are not the state? If so, then what are you worried about?

              Personal money of government officials, in your opinion?
              Do you think that money falls from the sky for public sector employees and socially vulnerable groups?
              1. +1
                23 November 2025 20: 04
                Quote from barbos
                Do you think that money falls from the sky for public sector employees and socially vulnerable groups?

                You're absolutely right about that. That's what taxes are for. But notice that the social portion of the budget has been declining in recent years. We spend very little on medicine, science, and education. We spend little on people. Especially the disadvantaged.
                Quote from barbos
                People (taxpayers) in your opinion this is not a state?

                I doubt it. In the USSR, when I was a child, I had a book called "The State Is Us." A Soviet citizen could rightfully call themselves that. But now? Now, only oligarchs can rightfully call themselves that.
                1. -2
                  23 November 2025 20: 15
                  You're absolutely right about that. That's what taxes are for.
                  Are you kidding me! Is that dogma? How do monarchies like the UAE, Qatar, and Bhutan survive then? On taxes from taxpayers?

                  We spend very little on medicine, science, and education.
                  So why this article and so much chaos in the comments?

                  A Soviet citizen could rightfully call himself that. And now?
                  And now, who or what prevents you personally from being a human being and a citizen? Is it the lack of oligarch status?
                  1. +1
                    23 November 2025 20: 48
                    Quote from barbos
                    And now, who or what prevents you personally from being a human being and a citizen? Is it the lack of oligarch status?

                    It would be better with oligarch status. Much better.

                    Nothing bothers me. But it seems I'm the one who bothers the state. Because a citizen is the one who has the right to hold the government accountable. And in the paradigm of the "vertical of power," where the citizen is replaced by a "loyal consumer of government services," a question like mine is a sign of a "foreign agent." So it's not me that's bothering me, but the system—it's not ready for dialogue with citizens as equals, only with oligarchs.
                    1. 0
                      29 November 2025 17: 14
                      It would be better with oligarch status. Much better.
                      Well, go ahead and proclaim yourself one! What's stopping you? There are tons of services out there that will create a beautiful family tree and design a coat of arms for you. What's the problem?

                      Nothing bothers me. But it seems I do bother the state. Because a citizen is someone who has the right to hold the government accountable.
                      So why are you all suddenly changing your tune when the state starts holding you accountable? Or are you a Saint? Aren't you willing to repent? Even in a simple conversation on the website, you're not ready for dialogue. What will happen when you're held accountable as someone who understands your actions, inactions, and thoughts?
    4. 0
      20 November 2025 11: 42
      If you're so smart, why don't you march in formation? Are you criticizing? Suggest a better option. Do you think the American system is better? I have some bad news for you. My American friends tell me that the American healthcare system isn't about the health of Americans, it's about making money for insurance companies. The average American's health is of no interest to anyone but themselves. And the average American is terrified of serious illnesses—because they're a direct path to poverty and homelessness, literally. The insurance company will simply sell your home for treatment. If you even had a home, of course.
      1. +2
        20 November 2025 14: 43
        Quote: TermNachTER
        My American friends tell me that the American healthcare system isn't about Americans' health, it's about insurance companies making money. The average American's health is of no interest to anyone but themselves. And the average American is terrified of serious illnesses—because they're a direct path to poverty and homelessness, literally. The insurance company will simply sell your home for treatment. That's assuming you even had a home.

        But my friends tell me the exact opposite... so I suggest using links to information, not "stories"... we've already discussed that it's not as bad there as you just described - and with links on my part, and you even then "cited the words of friends"... and, as it later turned out, friends from the EU...
        1. -2
          20 November 2025 14: 56
          Links to what information? From official sources?))) As one smart person once said, there are lies, damned lies, and official statistics))) I believe my friend from Wisconsin, Valera, because his wife, Inna, graduated from medical school back in the USSR, after which they moved to the US in 1997 on a green card. She works as a nurse in an American hospital and knows everything that goes on there firsthand.
          1. +3
            20 November 2025 15: 05
            Quote: TermNachTER
            She works as a nurse in an American hospital and knows everything that goes on there firsthand.

            but I hope I shouldn't believe Valera? hi I have several friends there.. and yes - with serious illnesses the situation is indeed more complicated there (more expensive, but at the same time - not all the doctors are good, "in the capital").. which not everyone gets and not always for life.. but with everything else - the situation is no worse, and even better in many ways... in any case, I have heard a lot about different people dissatisfied with the USA, but I don’t see them moving back en masse, even in retirement, and this, in my opinion, is the main criterion... especially since every hospital is different and here, as you understand.. in the USA there are hospitals for the "poor", those without insurance, there, yes, everything is sadder (and without insurance in the USA 27 million of the population out of 347 or 8% (mostly blacks and homeless) live.. but in general I will not argue - of course, medicine is more expensive there, but at the same time their salaries in comparison are several times higher hi
            https://www.pgpf.org/article/the-share-of-americans-without-health-insurance-in-2023-remained-low/
            1. -2
              20 November 2025 15: 48
              A doctor's qualifications don't always correspond to their salary. If things are so bad in Russia, then why does everyone from Asia, Africa, and South America come here to study? Apparently, they achieve a decent basic level, but then it all depends on the doctor themselves—whether they want to develop further or just stick to the basics.
              1. +3
                20 November 2025 16: 12
                Quote: TermNachTER
                A doctor's qualifications do not always correspond to his salary.

                undoubtedly..
                Quote: TermNachTER
                And if everything is so bad in Russia, then why does everyone from Asia, Africa, and South America come to study here?

                It's all quite simple... the price-quality ratio of education... it's certainly higher here than in the EU or the USA...
          2. 0
            20 November 2025 17: 34
            We've already discussed this, Mr. Yevtushenko.laughing - your extensive network of friends and acquaintances in the EU and the US is either, let's say, misinforming you, or simply does not exist.

            My Native American friends and drinking buddies didn't tell me any terrible horror stories about their healthcare.
            1. -2
              20 November 2025 18: 08
              Oh, our NanoBritish storyteller has shown up))) I was getting a little bored, so I made another chart about how good life is on Goat Island))) And that's just the utility bills, which are ridiculous))) How much is that – 120 pounds a month? And if you look at the debt on loans or mortgages, it'll be a total laugh out loud)))
              1. 0
                20 November 2025 18: 30
                If you work and don't spend extravagantly, you'll have money to pay your bills. However, a certain segment of the population, finding that their debts aren't being collected (which is often more expensive than the debt itself), doesn't feel the need to pay.
                Would you like to provide a chart of debts in Russia and our native land for comparison? tongue ?
    5. +6
      20 November 2025 12: 09
      The "guarantor" recently signed a "survival period." And lo and behold! The average Russian has started living six months longer. Soon we'll be retiring at 100.
      1. +2
        20 November 2025 15: 39
        Quote: bandabas
        The average Russian has increased their life expectancy by six months. Soon, we'll retire at 100.

        We will live forever. Today, Gref promised something about immortality in the near future. I'm afraid retirement is out of the question for many.
    6. -3
      20 November 2025 12: 54
      People don't work in the Armed Forces; they serve. Comparing service and work is a thankless task. They're different. The places of service and work are also different, as are the conditions and positions. There's no point in looking into someone else's pocket.
    7. +2
      20 November 2025 23: 15
      Quote from turembo
      Therefore, the unfortunate recent student will work for 20-40 thousand for three years, and he will be treated like a real slave, because he cannot leave,
      With a slave? Yeah, right... On the contrary, he'll tell everyone to go to hell, saying, "Don't like it? Well, get me out of here!" And this isn't a theory; it's happened before. And not a single report, which took up a ton of time from the staff every month.
      1. 0
        21 November 2025 08: 33
        Quote: bk0010
        With a slave? Yeah, right... On the contrary, he'll tell everyone to go to hell, saying, "Don't like it? Well, get me out of here!" And this isn't a theory; it's happened before. And not a single report, which took up a ton of time from the staff every month.

        Yes, that's exactly it - it's not complicated... they'll introduce a payment for dismissal for bad reasons...
    8. -2
      21 November 2025 08: 16
      Firstly, a recent graduate who becomes a general practitioner will earn over 60 rubles (the federal budget supplement is 45 rubles, and more for rural areas). Secondly, half of those who graduate don't go into medicine, so they should pay for their own education. Thirdly, a medical professional needs to gain experience, and no one in private schools wants them for free during the first three years.
      It's not a huge deal, but it's a lifesaver, at least at first. The problem is that there aren't enough general practitioners, specialists, and residency positions are scarce, and there aren't always enough applicants. My daughter just completed her residency this year, and her eight-year program is a targeted one. A pathologist's salary is 60,000 rubles with all benefits (for a full-time position). It's paltry, of course, but you need to gain experience and then find some extra work. Two people can work for five.
      1. 0
        21 November 2025 10: 01
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        the salary of a pathologist is 60 thousand with all additional payments (for one position),

        No one pathologist I didn't die of hunger, especially in rural areas - 5,000 per person to wash/dress/treat 2-3 dead people a day minimum...
    9. +1
      22 November 2025 12: 56
      Everything you wrote is correct. My daughter is in 11th grade and is seriously studying biology and chemistry. She attends a school with advanced studies, and we even pay for tutors. She wanted to go to medical school in St. Petersburg and then study to become a surgeon. Just yesterday, we explained to her that after graduation, she'll be walked all over for three years, with overtime she can't refuse, and a meager salary. She wondered, "Why should I care?"
      He will go into industry, we will look at something in chemistry.
      So the result of the "reform" is already there - minus one surgeon, and a very competent one at that, who was passionate about his work.
      1. -1
        23 November 2025 18: 50
        Just yesterday they explained to her that after graduating from university they would be wiping their feet on her for three years, with overtime that she would not refuse, and a meager salary.
        Let him become a blogger; they say they pay millions right away. And then there's immediate love and applause.

        So the result of the "reform" is already there - minus one surgeon, and a very competent one at that, who was passionate about his work.
        Maybe it's for the best. Surgeons who want a ton of money and a fawning, kneeling attitude are of little use. If something doesn't go well during the operation, the patient is left to their own devices. Maybe they don't wipe your feet, but rather keep you from getting your snot all over the place.
        1. 0
          23 November 2025 19: 04
          Dear Sir, the Soviet and post-Soviet eras are long gone. New generations have grown up. And these new people value themselves. And yes, they think about their future salary. And if a teenager studies from morning until night, has tutors, and has a choice, they won't go to work for a pittance, especially to have their feet walked all over them for three years, because they have nowhere to go, because it's "their calling."
          1. -1
            23 November 2025 19: 16
            Dear Sir, the Soviet and post-Soviet eras are long gone. New generations have grown up. And these new people value themselves.
            Thank you! I bow at the feet of the older generation for this attitude, which, in your opinion, didn't value themselves (didn't inflate their ego to the sky) and didn't think about what their salary would be.

            And if a teenager studies from morning until night, has tutors and has a choice, he won’t go to work for a pittance, especially to have people walk all over him for three years, because he won’t go anywhere.
            So, our goal is to "make money," not treat people. You can make especially good money from the seriously ill. Their families are ready to do anything. It's nothing personal, just business. And if someone has no money and only health insurance, let them save themselves. Right? Then it's better for the daughter to become a fortune teller or tarot reader. No responsibility or education required at all.

            For this is the calling.
            No, with this approach there is only one calling - to make money with minimal effort.
            1. +1
              23 November 2025 19: 58
              In Soviet times, there was a term for a young specialist. A university graduate, including a medical one, would be assigned somewhere and would immediately receive housing. They would immediately be paid a decent salary, enough to live on without going broke.
              What does a university graduate get these days? Nothing. They have to make ends meet. Are you upset that young people think about their salary from the start? What should they be thinking about? Serving their country? People? Ideas? Well, neither their country nor the people care about them. And they see it perfectly well.
              1. -2
                23 November 2025 20: 10
                In Soviet times there was such a definition: young specialist.
                In response, I will only quote your words.
                Dear Sir, the Soviet and post-Soviet eras are long gone. New generations have grown up.
                And now argue and resolve contradictions with yourself.

                I could get housing IMMEDIATELY.
                Or he might not have gotten it. He might have rented a small room in a dorm where there was only one bathroom for twenty-seven apartments.

                What does a university graduate get these days? Nothing.
                I'll respond to your comment again.
                Dear Sir, the Soviet and post-Soviet eras are long gone. New generations have grown up.
                And now argue with yourself again.

                What should he be thinking about? Serving the Motherland? People? Ideas?
                Why not? Do you consider this shameful or unworthy? Do you think it can only be done for decent money? Thank you, but the beginning of the SVO showed that the Motherland, Ideas, and People can be easily betrayed.
              2. osp
                0
                23 November 2025 20: 41
                And this summer I saw a drunk man kick a female ambulance doctor.
                The material was offensive to her, so the police were called.
                They came to take him off the street and into the hospital, but he turned on them.
                It was Medvedev, during his presidency, who passed a law to close sobering-up centers and transferred these functions to the Ministry of Health.
                Do you think this is correct?
                When an ambulance doesn't come to a sick person but comes to an alcoholic. In winter, so he doesn't freeze.
                Imagine a young girl who is assigned to such a work assignment.
                1. 0
                  23 November 2025 21: 27
                  And this summer I saw a drunk man kick a female ambulance doctor.
                  I heard through the grapevine among doctors that this year, a drug addict high on drugs beat a young nurse to death in the emergency room's toxicology department. Perhaps Medvedev is also to blame? What do you think? Or is it something else?

                  When an ambulance doesn't come to a sick person, but comes to an alcoholic. In winter, to keep warm. Imagine a young woman assigned to such a work assignment.
                  Just this week, I helped a drunk, craggy-faced woman into an ambulance, where a young female paramedic then treated her. What's the problem? Do you want strong, brutal men to do this job? Then why are you posting comments here instead of on duty with a paramedic's suitcase?
                  1. osp
                    +2
                    24 November 2025 01: 16
                    This work should be done by the police, as was previously done by the militia (special medical service at sobering-up centers), and not by the ambulance service.
                    In Belarus, this system remains to this day.
                    Many northern countries have something similar, although in a slightly different form.
                    The ambulance service has nothing to do with this.
                    1. 0
                      29 November 2025 17: 20
                      This work should be done by the police, as the militia did before.
                      There's a shortage of police officers, just like doctors and teachers. Yes, those same police officers who have been walked all over this site time and again, especially in the comments. And by the way, police officers immediately sign on for contract service, where conditions aren't always better than those offered by the hospital, and their fathers can't help but cry over the thought of them turning 30 and becoming single with their personal lives ruined. Meanwhile, even on-duty police officers aren't much better than medics in terms of self-defense—simply using their service record is a big problem, often a huge one.
    10. 0
      23 November 2025 18: 28
      Why are people literally leaving medicine?
      Just work, go on calls with a paramedic's suitcase full of 12 kg, try working in the trauma department during the New Year holidays. And enjoy the interactions with the department head and the chief physician.

      Why is the medical profession not prestigious?
      What does the state have to do with this? Slinging mud and trashing one of our favorite pastimes is a common practice. Teachers, police, and firefighters are also among the top performers in terms of disrespect. It's time to introduce penalties for discrediting these professions.

      Therefore, the unfortunate recent student will work for 20-40 thousand for three years, and he will be treated like a real slave, because he cannot leave, and this will further aggravate the problems of medicine, of course, after serving three years, the person will leave

      1 a person is treated exactly as he allows himself to be treated
      2 Now many doctors work under contract for quite good salaries in the regions and no one lives in bondage
      3 How to restore primary healthcare?

      And there's no need to compare the current law with the armed forces; before the SVO, things were generally sweet there: they paid money, gave apartments, clothed and shod you, and even fed you, and you practically didn't have to work.
      If the people don't feed their army, they will feed another. Is that what you wanted?
      1. osp
        0
        23 November 2025 20: 44
        Tver region.
        The salary of an experienced doctor at a district hospital is approximately 45-60 rubles. Some earn a little more, some a little less.
        The young man will earn less, but he's entitled to a million in resumption benefits—a pittance given the cost of housing here. An apartment costs 4-9 million, a house up to 15 million and more.
        A single person can be given a dormitory from service housing.
        But this is darkness and not work.
        It's really scary to be there.
        And in the village you really need to have your own car to visit sick people.
        1. 0
          23 November 2025 20: 51
          What's this comment about? That the young man should immediately get a million and an apartment in a trendy residential complex for half price? Maybe he should also roll out the red carpet after the ceremony?
          1. osp
            +1
            23 November 2025 20: 58
            Do you understand that by the end of her service the girl may already be 30-31 years old?
            And the last 3 years of hard work were spent in poverty and a dorm room.
            After which she could really become an old maid.
            Because there will be no family life there. And no family relationships.
            And most likely she will leave medicine forever after all the horror.
            Her most favorable reproductive age will be lost.
            Years of study and work in poverty.
            1. 0
              23 November 2025 21: 17
              Now tell these horror stories to the female paramedics who are currently working under contract and whose personal lives are fine. Many are even married.

              After which she could really become an old maid.
              So who's keeping her? There's a ready-made plan: drink, smoke, and give birth to freaks. What's going on?

              Years of study and work in poverty.
              Do you and your daughter want to skip school and make a killing? Only in your beloved America do doctors have exactly the same experience you're trying to catch up with here. It's a good thing they spend eight years studying and interning, then arrive at six in the morning and leave the next day at seven, with nothing else to do but walk through a hospital corridor.
              1. 0
                25 November 2025 17: 32
                Quote from barbos
                Now tell these horror stories to the female paramedics who are currently working under contract and whose personal lives are fine. Many are even married.

                Don't compare a paramedic to a doctor in terms of age. A paramedic is ready for work at 20-21, and with an education, it's easier for a girl to start a family at 20 than after medical school at 25-26 + 3 years in the provinces, 3 years and now 28-29... Plus, don't compare a contract with a distribution, it's one thing to look for a husband in your city, another in the regional center of the village of Gadyukino... And even with experience in an ambulance, maybe even as a paramedic, you haven't gained the experience of a doctor - different job categories... And I'll note - I'm not trying to offend in any way... my sister and grandmother are paramedics, and my mother and two nephews are doctors...
              2. 0
                27 November 2025 02: 43
                Quote from barbos
                Now tell these horror stories to the female paramedics who are currently working under contract and whose personal lives are fine. Many are even married.

                I only know two nurses who graduated from the Yeltsin era. One will definitely never have children, and the other is unlikely to marry or have children after 43. And if she does, she might not live to see her child reach adulthood, but she certainly won't be able to support a retired medical student. Russian medicine faces a complete collapse due to low salaries for doctors. The problem of low salaries cannot be solved by any administrative or feudal methods. The current law will cause the collapse of medicine in about 10 years, when it becomes clear that all the incompetent people are studying to become doctors and nurses.
    11. 0
      28 November 2025 22: 45
      Dear Sir, please don't remember this nonsense. I can answer both parts of your statement, as I'm a military doctor with 20 years of service and continue to work in civilian healthcare. So, why are people leaving medicine? Let's start with the fact that a huge number of medical school graduates don't work in their specialty at all. They receive a prestigious diploma and disappear. It's precisely these tourists that the new law is aimed at. The outflow of personnel does exist. This is largely due to patients who, while professing to be supportive of young specialists, in reality treat doctors like servants who owe and are obligated to them. However, this isn't a new problem; read "Notes of a Doctor" by V. Veresaev, written at the beginning of the last century; nothing has changed. Meanwhile, a medical degree is very prestigious; just look at the competition for admission to medical schools. Now about the slaves for 20-40 thousand rubles. Moscow clinics (not even hospitals) are hiring specialists with salaries of at least 150,000 rubles per month. I'm a surgeon, so I can be more precise. A surgeon with minimal or no experience in Moscow can expect a salary of at least 160,000 rubles, while those with 3-5 years of experience can earn up to 200,000. And there aren't enough of them. Walk the hallways of any Moscow clinic and try to find a Slavic surname on the door. You'll find no more than 10 percent. Why? They have to work. There are many patients, many complaints, and trivial ones at that. "I asked the doctor for a full-body MRI, but he didn't give it to me. He's a bad doctor!" Why are there so many private clinics? Let's look into it. If we're talking about clinics with inpatient facilities and treatment programs, they're mostly large chain organizations, and there aren't many of them. Few can afford their services. The exception is voluntary insurance programs from large companies like Gazprom, etc. There are many more outpatient clinics and laboratories. Their services are more or less affordable due to competition, and sometimes it's quicker to get a test done there. Incidentally, the staff at these organizations isn't as highly paid as it might seem. Furthermore, salaries heavily depend on the number of procedures they can get a patient to undergo. If you prescribe fewer than 10 tests for a patient, management considers you a poor specialist, and if you don't refer them to someone for a consultation, you're not a team player. So, don't cry over the plight of young doctors. My daughter graduated from the institute in Novosibirsk as a targeted student, worked for three years, and is now a pulmonologist. And she's not complaining at all. Her employer even gave her a discount on her residency fees because they needed a pulmonologist. And by the way, during the Soviet era, which many here rave about, assignments always existed, and nothing happened; they didn't become fools, commit suicide, or leave the profession.
      1. osp
        0
        30 November 2025 01: 57
        And if we take, for example, private medicine in terms of obstetrics, then you can probably count on your fingers the number of such hospitals throughout Russia, these are the ones that are "Mother and Child" groups.
        But they work mainly in large cities, mainly in capital cities.
        They don't go to small towns. Even in regions with high birth rates, they don't exist.
        So it turns out that demand and the population’s solvency determine the spheres of private medicine and its availability in general in a particular locality?
  2. +17
    20 November 2025 04: 11
    Next on the agenda, as some say, are the teaching professions. Mandatory work in schools will, with 100% probability, not only dramatically reduce enrollment in relevant specialties but also lead to a series of layoffs in relevant departments and even university branches.

    Well, if doctors at least have a chance at better jobs in their field, like private clinics, then what chance do future teachers have? Complete slavery with the moronic children of the masters of life?
    1. -4
      20 November 2025 05: 46
      tutoring at home and remotely
      1. +6
        20 November 2025 06: 03
        Quote: valek97
        tutoring at home and remotely

        This cannot become a full-time job with a full-time salary.
        1. Aag
          +2
          20 November 2025 09: 20
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: valek97
          tutoring at home and remotely

          This cannot become a full-time job with a full-time salary.

          Sorry. A rare case, I beg to differ: notices hanging on apartment building entrances read "Math Tutor for 1st-5th (!) Grades!!..." We've come a long way... And guess what? Within the first 24 hours, a third of the papers were filled with phone numbers for defense...
          (or are moms and dads no longer able to cope, or are they, stupidly, having no time because of their busy work schedules?). (((.
          Also... In my distant childhood, I was taken to a speech therapist five times. Yeah: "The Greek was driving across the river..."))).
          So, these days, cars of parents whose children are "examples" of speech therapy (their neighbor) are regularly parked in front of their building. It's simply overwhelming. And, as it turned out in a conversation with her, the problem often isn't the children's vocal apparatus or a medical issue, but (!) a result of watching modern cartoons!
          And indeed, compare the voice acting of Soviet cartoons (not to mention the context...) with modern ones.
          Oh! So we'll get to the stage, to the ideology (forbidden)...)))
          1. +1
            20 November 2025 10: 16
            Quote: AAG
            In the first 24 hours, a third of the pieces of paper with phone numbers were torn off

            Well, all but one or two could have been cut off; advertisers have a psychological trick like that...
            The competition for tutors is incredibly high these days. There are thousands of candidates for any given request...
            Quote: AAG
            "using the example" of a speech therapist (neighbor).

            Speech therapists used to be a standard feature in every children's educational institution, but now, for most, they're a luxury. Low incomes and the challenging workload have made this profession unappealing to young people. Only recently has interest in speech therapy begun to resurface. While there are few professionals in the field, there aren't many people interested either. In large cities and in families with a reasonable level of education, attention is paid to this, while in other families, it's not. For decades, you've been seeing children with poor pronunciation everywhere, but apparently, few people care.
            1. Aag
              +3
              20 November 2025 10: 27
              That's the point - education, medicine, security - are becoming available to an ever smaller part of the population...
            2. +1
              21 November 2025 10: 03
              Quote: Doccor18
              The competition among tutors is incredible these days.

              In big cities, yes, in small ones, they are on edge because everyone wants something good.
          2. +2
            20 November 2025 10: 17
            Quote: AAG
            Sorry. This is a rare case—I beg to differ with you: signs hanging on the entryways of buildings read, "Math tutor for students in grades 1-5(!)!!..." We've come to this...

            Good afternoon! The thing is, few can afford a tutor for their child, and it's not a matter of money! It's a matter of time, because few would risk leaving their child alone with a stranger during work hours. So, it turns out that a tutor can spend at most four hours a day with a couple of kids. So, that's a part-time job at best! And if teachers take up tutoring en masse, it'll be a very cheap side job, because of the competition. There are far more teachers graduating than doctors...
            1. Aag
              +2
              20 November 2025 10: 23
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Quote: AAG
              Sorry. This is a rare case—I beg to differ with you: signs hanging on the entryways of buildings read, "Math tutor for students in grades 1-5(!)!!..." We've come to this...

              Good afternoon! The thing is, few can afford a tutor for their child, and it's not a matter of money! It's a matter of time, because few would risk leaving their child alone with a stranger during work hours. So, it turns out that a tutor can spend at most four hours a day with a couple of kids. So, that's a part-time job at best! And if teachers take up tutoring en masse, it'll be a very cheap side job, because of the competition. There are far more teachers graduating than doctors...

              I agree here. This isn't about a good life, or about proper prioritization at the top. hi
            2. 0
              22 November 2025 19: 44
              At 500 rubles an hour, 4 hours a day, a teacher's salary is 22,000 rubles. Tutoring will pay for itself in 11 working days. A month of tutoring will earn 40,000 rubles, almost twice as much as working as a teacher.
              1. 0
                23 November 2025 09: 50
                Quote: valek97
                500 rubles per hour, 4 hours per day, teacher's salary is 22 thousand rubles.

                Well, if you think 22 rubles is a salary, then sure. But 44 rubles is barely a salary.
                But we still have to reach this figure because of competition.
                1. 0
                  24 November 2025 20: 33
                  Well, they compare the teacher's salary and how much time he will earn back just by tutoring.
                  1. 0
                    25 November 2025 06: 53
                    Quote: valek97
                    Well, they compare the teacher's salary and how much time he will earn back just by tutoring.

                    What about the salary? The salary is based on a mandatory minimum of 18 hours a week, specifically for teachers and specifically for teaching. So, that's it. But for the salary, he's guaranteed to receive this money, supposedly taking into account the regional average.
                    As for tutoring, it's not a given.
                    1. 0
                      26 November 2025 05: 44
                      Well, if she builds up a base, there won't be any downtime. My mother-in-law works two full-time jobs at a pedagogical college in Kondrovo, Kaluga Oblast, and her take-home pay is 22,000 rubles. 22,000 rubles is well short of 40,000 rubles.
      2. +1
        20 November 2025 06: 50
        What kind of tutoring job should a young technical engineer apply for? With a salary of 40 rubles maximum. This is all systemic and not related specifically to teaching or medicine.
        1. +2
          20 November 2025 09: 40
          This is all systemic and does not relate specifically to pedagogy or medicine.

          No one wants to raise such a question (about a system error) anywhere...
          Yesterday even the Garant said - we need thinking children, not those who can't supply answers...
          but he said it doesn't mean it's done (May Decrees...)
          1. +2
            20 November 2025 10: 17
            How interesting, he said the right words, but he doesn’t intend to give up the Unified State Exam
            1. man
              +4
              20 November 2025 10: 28
              Quote: Gardamir
              How interesting, he said the right words, but he doesn’t intend to give up the Unified State Exam

              "Speaking" is not like carrying sacks. smile
            2. +2
              20 November 2025 11: 31
              Why give up on it? It's a very advanced tool. It has its drawbacks, of course, but they can be fixed...
            3. +3
              20 November 2025 11: 44
              There's no other system for assessing knowledge. In our country, there's NO accountability for the quality of knowledge children receive. In other words, your teacher likes you, so they'll give you a half-hearted quiz on the exam and give you an A. Then, when you apply to a technical school or university, the admissions committee, geared toward only the very gifted or the very generous, won't turn away such an "A" student. This is the basis for the Unified State Exam (USE). But in our country, like so many other things, a good initiative is ruined by mediocre or abysmal implementation. The USE quiz system itself is extremely convoluted and poorly understood. There was a lot of complaint about the overly complex problems during the 2025 USE. Even teachers couldn't answer them correctly. And if teachers can't answer them, then what have they been teaching children for all these 11 years?

              London (Carthage) must be destroyed. PROXOR
            4. +2
              21 November 2025 10: 06
              Quote: Gardamir
              How interesting, he said the right words, but he doesn’t intend to give up the Unified State Exam

              The Unified State Exam is the only relatively corruption-free option for taking exams. Reintroduce exams, and parents will kiss teachers' feet and give them any amount of money, while teachers will swap Porsches and Lamborghinis for their mood—school isn't college; you can't quit.
              1. -1
                21 November 2025 10: 33
                Non-corrupt, but it educates the stupid. Choosing from several options is easier than thinking for yourself.
                1. +1
                  21 November 2025 12: 05
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  Non-corrupt, but it educates the stupid. Choosing from several options is easier than thinking for yourself.

                  1) Do you know a way to fight corruption? None of the parents will ever file a police report. - these are not traffic cops or university professors - School is a result until deathAnd to fail the unnecessary and encourage the necessary - even on the examination committee (which will be completely tied up in corruption) lol ) - as easy as pie.... It's enough to sow uncertainty and the child will drown himself - and no one will be able to prove intent....

                  2) Teacher friends say that the Unified State Exam is more difficult and you have to think.
                  And memorizing the dates of the reigns of the tsars in the Russian Empire so that you can rattle them off on an exam is not at all difficult.
                2. +1
                  21 November 2025 12: 19
                  Tell me honestly, have you tried to solve at least one version of the Unified State Exam?
                  Otherwise, you would know that the opportunity to choose the correct answers there is a drop in the bucket (since even in the first part you are often asked to choose several answer options, not just one).
                  And I won't even mention the second part.
                  1. +1
                    22 November 2025 19: 47
                    I took the Advanced Physics exam in 2015. It had open-ended problems and logic problems. Why this isn't done in Advanced Math or other subjects is another matter entirely; they don't look at your reasoning.
      3. 0
        27 November 2025 02: 50
        Quote: valek97
        tutoring at home and remotely

        Emigration. Teachers of math and English are in demand even in South Korea. A girl from Russia can marry into the harem of an officer from the Russian Special Forces University, and no one will force her to work for anything.
  3. osp
    +3
    20 November 2025 05: 02
    Quote: "The situation is paradoxical: hospitals are being built, but there's no one to fill them. More precisely, the patients are ready, but they can't find the doctors."
    As strange as it may seem to the average person, there is a completely logical and natural explanation for this: those graduating from medical schools now are those who were born around the default years of 1998-1999.
    During the country's worst birth rate decline.
    The generation of these young women and men is approximately 2-2.5 times smaller than the generation born in the mid-1980s, which emerged in the USSR at the peak of the birth rate.
    It is therefore not surprising that few of them are produced now - there used to be more of them, from the last Soviet generation.
    This is an echo of the 90s.
    The legacy of the drunken Tsar Boris.
    1. +2
      20 November 2025 10: 24
      Quote from osp
      As strange as it may seem to the average person, there is a completely logical and natural explanation for this.

      The number of places at medical schools remains the same year after year, and has even increased. We've added another medical faculty, meaning the annual number of graduates has even increased. And the competition is quite high year after year. But... this doesn't affect the occupancy rates at medical institutions (which isn't surprising). After eight years of intense training and enormous responsibility throughout your entire career, the pay can't be lower than that of a grocery delivery person...
      1. osp
        +1
        20 November 2025 14: 22
        The fact that the number of students in a medical school remains the same for a long time does not mean anything.
        Especially if they teach foreigners there - that also happens.
        A black doctor from Africa recently worked in an ambulance in Tver.
  4. osp
    +9
    20 November 2025 05: 13
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Next on the agenda, as some say, are the teaching professions. Mandatory work in schools will, with 100% probability, not only dramatically reduce enrollment in relevant specialties but also lead to a series of layoffs in relevant departments and even university branches.

    Well, if doctors at least have a chance at better jobs in their field, like private clinics, then what chance do future teachers have? Complete slavery with the moronic children of the masters of life?

    They go to private schools and gymnasiums. Sometimes this is organized jointly with their parents. This includes both homeschooling, external studies, and distance learning.
    Smart teachers select smart, capable children there. And often their parents are forced or willing to pay for it. But then they feel at ease, and their children enjoy going there.

    And in state schools, which are barely functioning, there are already quite a few children of migrants who live on child benefits and behave very aggressively towards others.

    And yes, the first wave of competent teachers left after the introduction of the Unified State Exam.
    1. +1
      20 November 2025 09: 37
      They go to private schools and gymnasiums. Sometimes this is organized jointly with their parents. This includes both homeschooling, external studies, and distance learning.
      Smart teachers select smart, capable children there.

      You're mistaken: private schools are attended by those who can pay, meaning the child's psychology pulls them away from home and into school—"you've been paid"...
      and there will be no "competition of their knowledge" between students - parents compete with each other - with their money...
      1. +5
        20 November 2025 10: 35
        Quote: Dedok
        Private schools are attended by those who can afford it, meaning the child's psychology pulls them away from home and into school—"you've been paid."
        and there will be no "competition of their knowledge" between students - parents compete with each other - with their money...

        Oh, I completely agree with you. For money, private schools now have many students who can't handle the basic curriculum becoming top students... And the parents are happy, and the kids have high self-esteem. And the university will then be happy to accept them on a fee-paying basis. The truth is, there's no talk of any real knowledge or education...
        1. 0
          20 November 2025 10: 39
          The truth about there is no talk of real knowledge/education...

          No one fights for real knowledge anymore: diplomas are what's needed...
          1. 0
            20 November 2025 11: 24
            Quote: Dedok
            No one fights for real knowledge anymore: diplomas are what's needed...

            I wouldn't say absolutely anyone. There are some "centers of intelligence," but they're usually either closed, club-like, or extremely unaffordable for the vast majority. Incidentally, I've heard more than once from friends who've taken their children out of school and homeschooled them: parents, tutors, and the internet. They're happy with the results; they're both knowledgeable and have more free time for extracurricular activities, like clubs and extracurricular activities...
        2. 0
          27 November 2025 03: 00
          Quote: Doccor18
          For money, private schools now offer many students who can't handle the basic curriculum the opportunity to become top-performing students...

          A friend of mine was a student at a Moscow school. In his final year, he enrolled in a Russian school in Kyrgyzstan. There, recruiters from a South Korean university noticed him. He studied for a year and a half at a South Korean university in Busan and received an invitation to interview for an English teacher position in Seoul. So far, he earns about 90% of his living and tuition in Korea, working himself, of course, not in Russia.
    2. 0
      23 November 2025 18: 59
      They go to private schools and gymnasiums.
      And the attitude there is: we're paying you money, so do whatever you want, but teach. The fact that the child has no intention of studying at all is the teacher's problem.

      Sometimes they organize this together with their parents.
      I've observed several of my mother's schools like this. They truly are schools for gifted children. Or rather, alternatively gifted ones.

      Smart teachers select smart, capable children there.
      Smart or convenient?
      1. osp
        0
        23 November 2025 20: 51
        Children who are unwilling to study or who are hooligans are not accepted into such schools - the organizers will not want to ruin their statistics and reputation.
        They take on students who are academically gifted, who seek alternative ways of gaining knowledge; they have their own pedagogy. Sometimes they even have their own academic grades. This often works in a homeschooling format.
        In some places, parents pay, and in others, parents receive compensation from the state for tuition costs if such a school operates in a homeschool format.
        Children from difficult families, migrants, and hooligans will not be able to cope with this format of education.
        1. 0
          23 November 2025 20: 58
          They take those who are capable of learning, who are looking for alternative ways of acquiring knowledge, they have their own pedagogy
          Thirty years ago, you could have cried about the difficulties of obtaining alternative knowledge. Now, everything is available right on your phone. Another question: what kind of alternative knowledge is this? More obscurantism from flat-earthers?

          In some places, parents pay, and in others, parents receive compensation from the state for tuition costs if such a school operates in a homeschool format.
          Children from difficult families, migrants, and hooligans will not be able to cope with this format of education.

          We once studied with just about anyone, and there were all sorts of people there. Even the children of gypsies from the camp. And some of them became heroes of Russia.
          1. osp
            -1
            24 November 2025 01: 28
            Waldorf education, for example.
            In Finland it is popular, but there it has been publicly funded for a long time and has been introduced into the general education system.
            In our country, children are usually sent to such schools by high-status parents - architects, university teachers, engineers, and sometimes bank employees.
            But those who are ready to do additional work with their children.
            Very effective.
          2. 0
            27 November 2025 03: 05
            Quote from barbos
            Another point: what kind of alternative knowledge is this? More flat-earther obscurantism?

            My father-in-law trained my daughter to become a software testing specialist in nine months. She came in first in a competition of 20 people for two spots, beating out graduates from Moscow State University and the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology. A year later, she was promoted to analyst and now leads a team of software testers.
  5. osp
    +6
    20 November 2025 05: 22
    Quote: "You can draw an analogy with military education. A young officer is now required to sign a contract for five years of service, and no one is outraged by this. That's right."
    Well, not everything is correct.
    It is very important what kind of environment and what kind of unit this young officer will end up in.
    After graduating from, say, flight school, there were two friends who were excellent students.
    One (that's how his circumstances worked out) ended up in a good unit and became a good pilot in 5 years.
    Second class. He continues to serve and fight.
    And the second (as his circumstances unfolded) ended up in a unit where he was assigned to a ground-based position, where alcohol and nepotism were common (well, many people know about the Far East).
    And those five years became a nightmare for him – he quit and became a co-pilot at Aeroflot, retraining at his own expense.
    That's what I'm getting at.
    Everything depends on the environment that the young specialist finds himself in.
    Corruption, nepotism, drunkenness, chaos - it's all over.
    And the state lost this specialist anyway.
    1. -3
      20 November 2025 06: 39
      Quote from osp
      Quote: "You can draw an analogy with military education. A young officer is now required to sign a contract for five years of service, and no one is outraged by this. That's right."
      Well, not everything is correct.
      It is very important what kind of environment and what kind of unit this young officer will end up in.
      After graduating from, say, flight school, there were two friends who were excellent students.
      One (that's how his circumstances worked out) ended up in a good unit and became a good pilot in 5 years.
      Second class. He continues to serve and fight.
      And the second (as his circumstances unfolded) ended up in a unit where he was assigned to a ground-based position, where alcohol and nepotism were common (well, many people know about the Far East).
      And those five years became a nightmare for him – he quit and became a co-pilot at Aeroflot, retraining at his own expense.
      That's what I'm getting at.
      Everything depends on the environment that the young specialist finds himself in.
      Corruption, nepotism, drunkenness, chaos - it's all over.
      And the state lost this specialist anyway.

      And don't lie! There are only two reasons why a flight school graduate would be assigned to a ground position: health or a major "flight" for "reflection!" By the way, don't scare me with the Far East. I served there, and I can say that those weren't the worst years of my service.
    2. 0
      27 November 2025 03: 09
      Quote from osp
      Corruption, nepotism, drunkenness, chaos - it's all over.
      And the state lost this specialist anyway.

      The adopted law contributes to the preservation of medical institutions where such vices flourish and which, under the conditions of healthy capitalism, should disintegrate, and their disorganized directors should leave medicine or lower their status to an orderly, driver, or hospital security guard.
      1. osp
        0
        27 November 2025 19: 50
        A significant portion of district hospitals (where the staff shortage is greatest) meet these criteria.
        The main branches are closed, money is allocated there and allocated, but it gets worse.
        Becoming a specialist there is impossible.
        If the head of the women's clinic, being a gynecologist, conducts appointments with huge false nails, then what kind of teacher is she when she doesn't deliver babies and doesn't even know how to feel a belly?
        After all, you can’t do this with a manicure like this.
        What kind of mentor is there at the clinic? Two doctors in one office?
        This is not acceptable for a hospital.
  6. osp
    +13
    20 November 2025 05: 28
    Don't the authors of this law want to ask themselves: how did it happen that doctors, even nurses and midwives, fled state healthcare? In favor of private medicine and private practice.
    Maybe it's all because of the meager salaries and unbearable conditions?
    When a good surgeon at a district hospital (clinic + duty + medical commissions, 3 positions) earns less than a Tajik courier.
    Who created such conditions in state medicine?
    It was created by those who came up with this law, among other things!
    Regional health ministries and departments have arrived. A huge number of officials work there.
    A huge compulsory medical insurance fund. They create bonuses, premiums, and material benefits for themselves.
    That's why there isn't enough money to even pay normal salaries.
    1. +1
      23 November 2025 19: 24
      How did it happen that doctors, even nurses and midwives, fled from state healthcare?
      Bureaucracy, aristocracy, nepotism, and other perils of an ossified state machine. How many scandals related to abuses in state-run healthcare are there every year across the country?

      Maybe it's all because of the meager salaries and unbearable conditions?
      When a good surgeon at a district hospital (clinic + duty + medical commissions, 3 positions) earns less than a Tajik courier.
      It is very important to see the salary of the head physician, his numerous deputies, the head of the department, and even those who are nominally listed but do not work at all (those same dead souls, as was the case in St. Petersburg).

      Who created such conditions in state medicine?
      They answered this question themselves.
      Regional health ministries and departments. A huge number of officials work there. A huge compulsory medical insurance fund. Bonuses and awards.
  7. osp
    +7
    20 November 2025 05: 33
    In the Tver region (we'll be tidying up the legacy of Rudeni, who was promoted), the Zemsky Doctor program provided for a million rubles in relocation benefits.
    But this is a pittance - about 27 thousand rubles a month for 3 years for a young doctor.
    The cost of a house or apartment in our country can range from 5 to 8 million rubles.
    This is an incredible amount of money, and even a doctor's salary in Tver of 80-100 thousand rubles a month does not allow one to save up for housing even in 10 years.
    We border the Moscow region, after all. And many people have been rushing there for a long time.
    The cost of living and real estate here was formed under the influence of Moscow incomes, not Tver ones.
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  9. +3
    20 November 2025 06: 30
    What specialist who has completed all the stages of medical education (even without a diploma with honors) would want to go to some village on the edge of civilization, where they'll be provided with a rickety hut, an outdoor toilet, and water from a well half a kilometer away? And all this for a "pretty" salary, which our government is reluctantly willing to provide.
    1. 0
      23 November 2025 19: 04
      Do you think this is the only path a medical school graduate with honors can take? Do you think this is the "Pale of Settlement" for medical school graduates with honors? When I get the chance (I'll be discussing this with such a graduate with honors), I'll ask doctors who moved from such villages to the cities.
  10. +6
    20 November 2025 06: 41
    Forced labor is always unproductive, and here we're also dealing with the health of citizens. Doctors who perform poorly won't be punished for their work, either, as they won't be afraid of losing their jobs. Overall, we can expect a decline in the quality of medical care and the number of applicants to medical schools.
  11. +11
    20 November 2025 06: 44
    Pseudomedicine, pseudo-education, pseudo-science, pseudo-police... This is the maximum the state can achieve, creating pseudo-structures that imitate activity. As a result, we create a robotic alcoholic drinking buddy, whose shameful public appearance became the world's laughingstock, and China creates a robot whose perfect movements became a source of doubt, which had to be dispelled by giving the robot a striptease at the presentation.
    1. +4
      20 November 2025 08: 30
      Not pseudo, but real. Remember—self-employment, self-isolation... self-defense? Now self-education.
      1. +8
        20 November 2025 09: 09
        Quote: Engineer
        Not pseudo, but real. Remember—self-employment, self-isolation... self-defense? Now self-education.

        Pseudo is the goal of the state, and the state itself is the citizen’s way out.
        1. 0
          23 November 2025 19: 58
          Pseudo is the goal of the state
          Isn't the state a people? And isn't the people made up of citizens?
      2. +1
        20 November 2025 09: 29
        Remember self-employment, self-isolation... self-defense? Now self-education.

        forty years ago it was self-sufficiency
      3. mz
        0
        20 November 2025 12: 28
        Quote: Engineer

        Not pseudo, but real. Remember—self-employment, self-isolation... self-defense? Now self-education.

        And self-defense is prohibited, judging by law enforcement practice: be patient, don't resist, and when they kill you, then call...
    2. +1
      23 November 2025 19: 25
      Pseudomedicine, pseudo-education, pseudo-science, pseudo-police... This is the maximum that the state is capable of, the creation of pseudo-structures that imitate activity.
      We live in a time of postmodernism, where everything is pseudo (simulacrum).
  12. +3
    20 November 2025 06: 51
    Honestly, after reading the title, I thought: I'll definitely write about my teachers! But first the article, and then the comments, everything veered toward medicine. I don't deny the topic is relevant. But remember the film "Enjoy Your Bath!" by E. Ryazanov: "When a teacher says to a doctor, 'Yes, mistakes happen in our profession too, but our mistakes become apparent much later.'" Sorry, I'm quoting from memory, but the gist of it is clear.
  13. +3
    20 November 2025 06: 52
    Market theory suggests that young professionals don't choose public institutions for no reason. Private clinics pay much more.

    If theory suggests something, then no one puts it into practice?
  14. +5
    20 November 2025 07: 03
    A parallel can be drawn with military education. A young officer is now required to sign a five-year contract, and no one is upset about it. That's true. With a few exceptions, military academy cadets receive full state support. This is not the case at medical schools. Not all students receive dormitory accommodation, let alone other benefits.

    No, this law is even more drastic. Even those who study at their own expense will have to work for it. FOR A PAID FEE. laughing
  15. +5
    20 November 2025 07: 05
    Half of all medical students in the United States come from families with the highest incomes. Medical schools are very expensive, and the training process is long and difficult.

    No. It's difficult, but not long. Medical schools in the US last 4 years.
    Less than in Russia. wink
    1. +2
      20 November 2025 10: 37
      At least 8 years, including Bachelor's degree (4 years) and Medical School (4 years):
      Stages of medical education in the United States
      Bachelor's degree (Undergraduate degree):
      Duration: 4 years.
      Specialization: A field close to medicine is chosen, such as biology or chemistry.
      The pre-med program (optional but recommended) helps prepare you for medical school and the MCAT.
      Medical School:
      Duration: 4 years.
      The first two years: theoretical training (anatomy, biochemistry, physiology, pathology, etc.).
      Last two years: clinical practice in hospitals under the supervision of doctors.
      Exam: You must pass the Medical School Admission Test (MCAT).
      Residency:
      Duration: From 3 to 8 years, depending on the chosen specialization.
      Activities: Practical work in the chosen field of medicine under the guidance of experienced specialists.
      Licensing: During residency, medical licensing exams are taken.
      Professional Certification and Specialized Practice (Fellowship):
      Fellowship: An optional but often required step for a highly specialized field, lasting 1–2 years.
      Certification: Exams to obtain professional certification.
      1. 0
        20 November 2025 17: 25
        At least 8 years, including Bachelor's degree (4 years) and Medical School (4 years):

        Bachelor's degree has nothing to do with medicine:
        Preparatory program "pre-med" (Optional, but desirable)

        This nonsense was invented so that the doctor would not look too young. wink And it could be IT, for example. Or, like the smart kids in Russia do, finish a bachelor's degree in languages ​​here, in English and Spanish, and then head off to the States to study to become a doctor.

        The medical institute itself is here:
        Medical School:
        Duration: 4 years.
        The first two years: theoretical training (anatomy, biochemistry, physiology, pathology, etc.).
        Last two years: clinical practice in hospitals under the supervision of doctors.
        Exam: You must pass the Medical School Admission Test (MCAT).


        Well, they don't have residency training as we understand it. They have a RESIDENCE.

        Residency (Residency):
        Duration: From 3 to 8 years, depending on the chosen specialization.
        Activity: Practical work in a chosen field of medicine under the guidance of experienced specialists.
        Licensing: During residency, medical licensing exams are taken.
        Professional Certification and Specialized Practice (Fellowship):
        Fellowship: An optional but often required step for a highly specialized field, lasting 1–2 years.
        Certification: Exams to obtain professional certification.


        Do you think the difference is just in the name? Nothing of the sort. The difference between our residency and theirs is FUNDAMENTAL.

        Our residency is STILL STUDIES. The resident completes it at a university and PAYS MONEY to the university for their studies.
        Their residency is ALREADY A JOB. The resident has no connection to the university; they work as a physician's assistant at a state hospital and ARE PAID for their work.

        Essentially, this is the very same MENTORING that they're trying to introduce here now. The Western education system hasn't changed since the Middle Ages: there's the Master and the Apprentice.

        Moreover, you can only complete your residency in the state where you trained. The hospital trains future doctors FOR ITSELF, so it has a vested interest in their level. It's not possible, like in our country, to graduate from university in Makhachkala and then come to work in Moscow. laughing If you want to work in Baltimore, apply to Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. If you can... wink

        That's why they don't have problems with distributing graduates and with work at the lower level; all this work - shifts, writing medical records, various examinations, etc. - is handled by young doctors - residents.

        The salary order in Germany, for example, is as follows: Doctor (FAH) - 6000 Euro, resident (ACC) - 3500.

        No one explained these subtleties to Putin and Mishustin; our medical teaching mafia is feeding them nonsense, claiming that in the West, they supposedly study for 10 years and are even trying to increase the length of residency training here.
        Of course, this is great for the rectors of medical universities; if they had their way, they would extend residencies until retirement, so that they could earn money for decades. laughing tongue lol
        The only question is who will work in Chukotka then... wink
        1. +1
          21 November 2025 06: 01
          A bachelor's degree has nothing to do with medicine.

          But without it, you won’t be accepted into medical school in the US, but you can into a medical institute in Russia.
          The difference between our residency and theirs is FUNDAMENTAL.

          In most US states, it is not possible to work as a doctor immediately after medical school without completing a residency, but in Russia it is possible (as a general practitioner, ...).
          The resident has no connection to the university, he works as a physician's assistant in a state HOSPITAL and RECEIVES MONEY for his work.

          Residency programs in the United States operate at large university clinics and hospitals, both public and private, where future doctors receive postgraduate medical education.
          In the United States, residency training is called a "residency." Historically, this term arose because trainees were hospital "residents," meaning they spent virtually all their time at the hospital and rarely had the opportunity to leave their clinic every day. Naturally, they received a salary for this work.
          However, you can only obtain residency in the state where you studied.

          There is no such law or regulation. University hospitals often recruit residents primarily from their own university, but this is not mandatory. Interviews are held, and based on the results, residents are hired, including graduates from other universities.
          If you want to work in Baltimore, go to Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

          Come on, you're making this up. It's not connected at all.
          1. 0
            21 November 2025 06: 46
            A bachelor's degree has nothing to do with medicine.

            But without it, you won’t be accepted into medical school in the US, but you can into a medical institute in Russia.
            The difference between our residency and theirs is FUNDAMENTAL.

            In most US states, it is not possible to work as a doctor immediately after medical school without completing a residency, but in Russia it is possible (as a general practitioner, ...).
            The resident has no connection to the university, he works as a physician's assistant in a state HOSPITAL and RECEIVES MONEY for his work.

            Residency programs in the United States operate at large university clinics and hospitals, both public and private, where future doctors receive postgraduate medical education.
            In the United States, residency training is called a "residency." Historically, this term arose because trainees were hospital "residents," meaning they spent virtually all their time at the hospital and rarely had the opportunity to leave their clinic every day. Naturally, they received a salary for this work.
            However, you can only obtain residency in the state where you studied.

            There is no such law or regulation. University hospitals often recruit residents primarily from their own university, but this is not mandatory. Interviews are held, and based on the results, residents are hired, including graduates from other universities.
            If you want to work in Baltimore, go to Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

            Come on, you're making this up. It's not connected at all.

            All the same, in principle, medicine in the USA takes 4 years to study.
            Next comes work. Yes

            Distribution - 90% remains within the State.
            1. +1
              21 November 2025 08: 36
              Quote: Arzt
              Distribution - 90% remains within the State.

              Well, it's the same with us, after honey, the overwhelming majority stays in the region, it's logical...
          2. 0
            22 November 2025 19: 40
            Quote: smart fellow
            In most US states, it is not possible to work as a doctor immediately after medical school without completing a residency, and in Russia it is possible (therapist, ...).

            No longer possible. Only after receiving accreditation. And according to the new law, you still have to wait for it (only after three years of work experience, otherwise no way). So, you have a higher medical education diploma, but you can't work. You can only hang this "piece of paper" in your bathroom. Or use it in some other way.
            1. 0
              23 November 2025 05: 22
              Maybe that's right. I've personally encountered the problem of doctors misleading me. At my local clinic, I told the doctor I was using a certain medication. He said it should only be taken for a couple of weeks. So, I told him the label said two months or more. He didn't force it, so he just said it to show he was aware. Two dentists at different clinics mentioned a certain substance in a medication that wasn't actually in it. There was also a case where a doctor misspelled the name of a well-known medication—she didn't usually recommend it, so she got confused.
              Here, the price of a doctor's error is health or even life. In medical dramas, interns often make mistakes, and sometimes these mistakes can be fatal.
        2. 0
          22 November 2025 19: 35
          That's right. "Nothing to add, nothing to subtract." And so, we're facing a complete and utter collapse of our healthcare system! And very quickly, with this law.
  16. +8
    20 November 2025 07: 10
    Back in the early 2000s, my hometown had a medical school that trained nurses. Not anymore.
    This is just one example. But it was the same across the country. And anyone who protested this optimization was branded a Navalny supporter.
  17. +3
    20 November 2025 07: 13
    But the gamble is clearly worth it – the medical profession in the United States is one of the most prestigious, if not the most prestigious. A well-established health insurance system supports both medical personnel and ensures adequate medical care for patients.

    The extent to which this scenario is possible in Russia is debatable.

    Our whole problem is in the inverted PAYMENT OF LABOR BY SPECIALTIES.
    In the States, the highest-paid doctors are anesthesiologists and intensive care specialists. Because they treat the most complex patients. Here, this specialty is at the bottom of the pay scale. But the responsibility is the same and the same brains are needed. Therefore, there is a critical shortage of them.

    People come to our medical institute to become a dentist, a cosmetologist, or, in extreme cases, a gynecologist or urologist. laughing
    1. 0
      20 November 2025 09: 13
      Quote: Arzt
      People come to our medical institute to become a dentist, a cosmetologist, or, in extreme cases, a gynecologist or urologist.

      Isn't it prestigious to be a proctologist? They certainly provoke a lot of jokes among young people... But over time, former young people, clutching their buns in fear, trudge to him with hesitant steps... Because it's hard to avoid this doctor these days...
      1. +1
        22 November 2025 19: 45
        Quote: Puncher
        Isn't it prestigious to be a proctologist?

        Prestigious. There's an expression: "Golden ass."
        And proverbs
        Popular: "Your head is not your butt, tie it up and lie down."
        Professional: "All people are divided into two categories: Those who have hemorrhoids and... those who will have them laughing"
  18. +6
    20 November 2025 07: 33
    It is not difficult to guess that the best places will be selected by the best students.

    It's not hard to guess that the best jobs are already reserved for the children of the "best people." The rest are forced to toil for pennies in places where the wolves fear. And, what's more, without any provision for housing close to work.
  19. +11
    20 November 2025 07: 43
    It's the same with the military; you're essentially forced into slavery for five years. Twenty years ago, I barely escaped the dump I ended up in after graduation; I only lasted a year and a half. And it'll be the same here: they'll run, they'll find loopholes. Our system is built like that in the government—I work in a government agency now, too—it's not just a piece of paper: punish, deprive, cut, subtract, curtail, suppress, and audit. There's nothing positive about it, and then there are the astonished articles about why young people don't want to start families, don't want to have children, people are drinking themselves to death, and the population is declining. We're being completely destroyed.
    1. -1
      20 November 2025 09: 15
      Quote: Vadim S
      We are being thoroughly drowned

      You are not far from the truth
  20. Owl
    -3
    20 November 2025 07: 46
    Mandatory work after graduation is essential to recoup the cost of education. Introduce the same five-year period for all students studying on a state-funded scholarship. Then, retain young professionals with state or budget-funded mortgages. We provide free housing, but the state, regional government, or municipality covers the mortgage. While you work, the housing becomes your full property within 15-20 years. If you quit early, you pay the remaining amount. Yes, it's slavery, but that's capitalism. A social system that provides free housing is not in sight for anyone other than members of parliament and "valuable specialists."
  21. +12
    20 November 2025 07: 58
    The situation is paradoxical: hospitals are being built, but there is no one to fill them.

    Things aren't all that rosy with hospitals either.
    For example, here's a photo I took of the admissions department of the Konakovo Central District Hospital (Tver Oblast) this summer. The entire hospital is in the same state, except for the first floor, which has been renovated. But we're building amusement parks for the Kyrgyz and giving cars to the Tajiks. We're planning to divert rivers for the Uzbeks, while our people in Donbas are left without water. Our government is completely anti-people; it feels like it's run entirely by Sorosites. They don't need any training; they're already creating a savage, backward village in place of Russia.
    Regarding medical professionals. When the country needed IT specialists, they were given preferential mortgages, good salaries, draft deferments, and so on. Meanwhile, the medical professionals were forced to work for three years for pennies in a hospital that resembled a squalor.
    1. +1
      20 November 2025 13: 46
      Quote: Vladislav Markov_2
      When the country needed IT specialists, they were given preferential mortgages, good salaries, deferments from military service, and so on. Meanwhile, doctors were given three years of penny-paying work in a hospital that resembled a squalor.

      Apparently, few people fled abroad during the mobilization. Here, it always takes an epic-scale catastrophe for anything to get done.
    2. osp
      +3
      20 November 2025 14: 40
      In Konakovo (and in Tver too) we tried to get a lot done on the topic of the Central Regional Hospital.
      I wrote dozens of articles for local media for free.
      Things are still the same. At least more than one head doctor has changed.
      But the degradation of medicine goes hand in hand with the degradation of regional centers.
  22. 0
    20 November 2025 08: 07
    Let me say this straight away. Without occupational safety for young professionals, things won't get off the ground. Young people need the government's help.
  23. 0
    20 November 2025 08: 16
    Who is to blame for all this mess????
    Wherever you look, there are problems.
  24. +1
    20 November 2025 08: 33
    If something is done in the country, it's done in someone's interests. To understand what's happening, we need to look to the past. Let's recall the second half of the 80s, when Gorbachev came to power and proclaimed perestroika. The cooperative movement began to develop en masse, offering higher wages and easier conditions than at state-owned enterprises. Why was this done? In this simple way, the state (the ruling regime) attempted to relieve the social burden on the budget by redistributing income (in simpler terms) from the poor to the rich. And this course hasn't changed. In the ideal world being built in the country, the poor will have to fend for themselves and their own survival; there will be no social benefits, pensions, or anything else. We are witnessing a historic moment: we managed to live under the rule of the Reds, now we live under the rule of the Whites, for which they fought in the civil war.
    1. -1
      20 November 2025 09: 17
      Quote: Gomunkul
      Now we live under white rule

      Why is this... If we use the terms of the civil war, then most likely the power of the "greens".
      1. +1
        20 November 2025 09: 46
        Look at the symbolism. hi
        1. -2
          20 November 2025 10: 46
          Quote: Gomunkul
          Look at the symbolism.

          I judge by behavior.
      2. +4
        20 November 2025 09: 51
        Quote: Puncher
        If we use the terms of the civil war era, then most likely the power of the "greens".

        No, the Whites. The Whites swore allegiance to the Entente countries. The current ones are the same: they swore allegiance to the West, and they even have the same flag:
  25. +9
    20 November 2025 09: 09
    This is where the questioner is wrong (see picture)?

    And the list could go on and on..
    There is a shortage of teachers:
    "Here's a whole 25, a class of 35 screaming kids, 10 of whom don't speak Russian, a ton of paperwork, reports, extracurricular activities, clubs, class leadership. And if you don't like it, go into business, you were told long ago."

    There is a shortage of engineers:
    "We'll raise your salary! By 4%. In a year. If you meet your KPIs. And agree to work part-time. And you'll live in rented accommodation, an alternative to the factory dormitory renovated in 1956."

    There is a shortage of builders:
    "Let's bring in a couple million more migrant workers. Ours want wages. And days off. And safety precautions, which is just too much!"

    There is a shortage of agronomists:
    "Let them work as assigned. They'll learn to till the land at the same time. And if they want to go to the city, they'll be fined. And then back to the fields. Until love for their homeland awakens."

    There is a shortage of research staff:
    — What do they even want? Grants? Laboratories? Modern equipment? Are they crazy? Mendeleev walked all the way from Arkhangelsk and got by without any grants!
    1. man
      +3
      20 November 2025 10: 21
      Look at Mendeleev, he walked all the way from Arkhangelsk and got by without any grants!
      Actually, it was Lomonosov...
      1. +3
        20 November 2025 10: 45
        Quote: mann
        Actually, it was Lomonosov...

        Yes, definitely.
        It's my fault, I got excited when I wrote it.
        1. +3
          20 November 2025 11: 25
          But I learned that Mendeleev was from Tobolsk, that his great-grandfather's name was Sokolov, and that Mendeleev himself, no worse than Lomonosov, had a plethora of hobbies.
          So sometimes it's good to get angry, especially since this typo in your comment seems justified.
        2. man
          +1
          20 November 2025 19: 57
          Quote: Mishka78
          Quote: mann
          Actually, it was Lomonosov...

          Yes, definitely.
          It's my fault, I got excited when I wrote it.

          It's okay, it happens smile
  26. +4
    20 November 2025 09: 14
    How can one not remember here - in order for a cow to give more milk, it is necessary to feed it more, not milk it more.
    1. +8
      20 November 2025 10: 30
      However, when they collect taxes, they milk more and feed no one at all.
  27. +3
    20 November 2025 09: 19
    Targeted training is our new everything

    Author, I didn't understand what you wanted to tell us?
    Targeted training existed even during the USSR; how it worked is another matter, but it existed...
    Now, about how it works—from the employer's perspective—it doesn't work: the employer is asked to "hitch in" for someone's child, they do, and then sign "papers" allowing that child not to work the period specified in the contract...
    If the author is trying to analyze the state of our healthcare system, it's been "lying on its side" for a long time: they buy equipment, but there's no one to operate it...
    On the other hand, the oncology center runs out of compulsory medical insurance funds faster than the calendar year goes by—meaning they have equipment and specialists, but only at the patient's expense...
    etc. etc.
    Yes, I forgot about one more thing: the % ratio of nationalities in medical schools...
    Look at what's going on "on the ground," and then don't be surprised that when you go to see such a doctor, your appointment lasts exactly 5 minutes... to him, your problems are "equal," and then they bring in a "worn-out woman" and see her (and her husband) for almost half an hour...
    1. 0
      27 November 2025 03: 27
      Quote: Dedok
      Yes, I forgot about one more thing: the % ratio of nationalities in medical schools...

      The ethnic balance has also changed. In 20 years, Muslims in the Moscow region will outnumber non-Muslims. Why should it be any different in medicine? This is a policy adopted after 1965, further strengthened after 1991: engineers, doctors, and teachers should earn less than drivers, salespeople, and factory workers. Putin, Mishustin, the State Duma, and business are unanimous on this.
  28. +8
    20 November 2025 09: 37
    The medical profession in the United States is one of the most prestigious... ...
    The extent to which this scenario is possible in Russia is debatable.

    There's no debate here. To do it like in the US, you have to pay like in the US. A dentist in the US makes a million rubles a month, converted into our money. Here, a budget dentist makes 50 rubles or more. So it turns out like this:

    The situation is paradoxical: hospitals are being built, but there is no one to fill them.

    Haven't they tried raising wages? Everyone was criticizing the USSR for its enormous price tag, for the distribution system it had. They said it was a lack of freedom and serfdom... And now the capitalists have come to the same conclusion!
    1. 0
      21 November 2025 12: 30
      Quote: Stas157
      There's no debate here. To do things like they do in the US, you have to pay like they do in the US. A dentist in the US makes a million rubles a month, in our terms.

      Yeah... but don't forget that prices on everything will also rise to US levels. Because as someone wrote:
      Yes, people make a lot of money in the US. The problem is that everyone makes a lot of money—including those who make money off you.
  29. +4
    20 November 2025 09: 39
    The huge number of private clinics clearly signals that Russians are willing to pay for treatment.

    Strange conclusion!
    What else, in the author's opinion? To die on the streets?
    After all, I just wrote about the problems in public healthcare and the lack of doctors. Remove the last remaining public doctors, and Russians will be even more willing to pay for private treatment!

    A personal example, as a cross-section of society. My child, my wife and I, my parents... In short, everyone. We all go to private clinics. Some exclusively, others partially. It's not a good life at all. There's simply no other way to get medical care. This is especially true for essential tests and specialists, for whom the waiting list is several months.
    Pensioners are already flocking to private clinics in droves. These same private clinics are already seeing queues. It can take a week or two to get an appointment with the right doctor.

    Private clinics pay much more.

    Not necessarily. Many doctors, especially experienced ones, work in both a public and private clinic. They're working hard at both jobs!
    They earn about the same in both places. A capitalist won't pay more! The only difference is that the public sector has a high workload and is stressful. It's very difficult. But in a private clinic, the doctor can relax. After a public clinic, you could say that. I know what I'm talking about. My wife is a dentist. She works both privately and publicly.
    1. -1
      20 November 2025 11: 16
      Quote: Stas157
      Not at all a fact. Many doctors, especially experienced ones,

      Experienced physicians, especially those in private clinics, typically earn two to three times more than those in public ones. This is because they ensure a steady flow of patients, as their reputation is well-known, and therefore generate good revenue. Young specialists, however, can earn as much in private clinics as in free ones, but they still choose the former because of the lower physical and mental strain.
      Quote: Stas157
      And in a private clinic the doctor is resting.

      Well, it's not like he's getting any rest. A top-notch commercial specialist's schedule is no less intense than that of a local physician at the state hospital. The only difference is the income and working conditions. At 45, all this seems like banal self-abuse; at 200-250, it's work.
      1. +4
        20 November 2025 12: 57
        Quote: FIR FIR
        Especially experienced doctors usually earn 2-3 times more in private clinics than in state-run ones.

        If commercial work paid significantly more, no one would work two jobs. Commercial work and public sector work. Literally everyone would go into commercial work. But that's not happening.

        Experienced doctors only appear in public sector jobs. Where there's a flow of patients. Businesses notice this and approach them themselves, offering public sector workers the opportunity to work in private clinics. No one needs applicants. In the private sector, doctors work on a piecework basis. They earn as many patients as they treat. As a rule, they get paid. slightly More than the budget. And they could even make less! If there aren't enough patients. A capitalist won't give up his profits voluntarily. He'll calculate wages to incentivize people to come to him. And not a penny more!
        1. 0
          22 November 2025 19: 58
          Quote: Stas157
          Work in commerce piecework At the doctor's. The number of patients you treated is the number you received.

          Doctors, especially good ones, are generally smart people. They understand perfectly well that patient flow, and therefore their income, directly depends on the population's well-being. Therefore, having a guaranteed "sovereign's penny" is always more reliable. in our time.
    2. +1
      20 November 2025 12: 19
      So maybe it would be better to remove the free ones altogether? Make medicine only paid?
      1. +3
        20 November 2025 13: 02
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        So maybe it would be better to remove the free ones altogether? Make medicine only paid?

        That's exactly where it's headed! If the optimization trend continues.
        1. 0
          20 November 2025 13: 11
          So why bother, inventing all this nonsense, abolishing laws with a stroke of a pen and not tormenting people, most people already have to pay for treatment anyway
          1. +2
            20 November 2025 13: 14
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            So why bother inventing all this nonsense?

            Uh, you don't understand. Salami is cut little by little. Why rock the boat?
    3. -2
      20 November 2025 14: 10
      Pensioners are already flocking to private clinics in droves. These same private clinics are already seeing long lines.

      Perhaps you were lucky and found a good clinic. But I don't share the enthusiasm for private clinics. They (perhaps not all) often engage in aggressive marketing. For example, they call (they get a phone number from somewhere) and offer to undergo an examination at half price or for free, such as an ultrasound. And then you have to see a specialist to get the results decoded for a fee. And then it turns out that you also need to take several paid tests. I'm not saying that this is the case everywhere, but under capitalism, the owners of some clinics may demand that employees meet an "average bill," which is what salaries and bonuses are based on.
      It's not for nothing that there is a saying: "You can't prove to a free doctor that you're sick, or to a paid doctor that you're healthy"...
      1. 0
        20 November 2025 14: 38
        Quote: Guest
        but I don't share the enthusiasm for private clinics

        I don't share that view either. But I'm forced to go there when necessary. To see specialists. They're either unavailable on the budget, or the waiting list is three months. And I usually have to pay for tests. I'd love to get them for free! But it's not working out. Technically, you can get in, but in reality, it's a daunting quest, costing both time and money. And despite the fact that private clinics have significantly reduced the burden on the "budget" (public clinics), oddly enough, the situation isn't improving! The more people switch to private services, the more public healthcare is optimized.
  30. +3
    20 November 2025 09: 58
    These salaries are complete nonsense. We shouldn't look at the median or average, but at the salary of a specific Marya Vanna, a district physician in Rossosh, or Van Vanych, a surgeon at a clinic in Uryupinsk, or Petr Petrovich, an ophthalmologist at a hospital in Morshansk. And we shouldn't look at the Ministry of Health's documents, but at SberOnline—to see how much exactly has been added to their salaries. The numbers there are completely different.
    1. +2
      20 November 2025 10: 27
      The numbers there are completely different.

      Hahaha - many years ago, Ms. Skvortsova, while serving as the Minister of the Russian Federation, came to our "mukhosk" and, as expected, selected the best team in the region for a meeting with the Minister...
      Well, things didn't go well right away - the minister says, "How high are your salaries?" and the people, who had just received their pay slips, say outright, "You're lying," and show off these slips...
      Overall, it's an embarrassment...
      1. +1
        20 November 2025 11: 07
        Quote: Dedok
        People who just received their pay slips before this are saying outright, "You're lying," and showing off these slips...
        Overall, it's an embarrassment...

        No embarrassment. Everyone knows. Just put on smart faces and continue what we started. Yes
  31. +2
    20 November 2025 10: 30
    A well-established health insurance system allows for the support of both medical personnel and the provision of adequate medical care to patients.

    The author forgot to add that it is NOT FOR ALL patients.
    Obama tried to make health insurance for everyone, but there wasn't enough money.
    1. 0
      20 November 2025 10: 44
      Obama tried to make health insurance for everyone, but there wasn't enough money

      it was his wife - but by his hands...
      Trump put all this under the knife...
  32. +2
    20 November 2025 10: 35
    In short, another disaster is quietly creeping up...
    Well, Medvedev and Co are masters of organizing it..... (...no, but you hold on...).
    Friends believe that everything was predetermined after Putin's latest promise about improved healthcare development in the country, a year or two ago...
  33. +2
    20 November 2025 10: 38
    A funny law. So, a fee-paying student, having paid a large sum of money for their education by the country's standards, should go to work wherever the state assigns them? Well, it would be logical if those who studied in the free department went to work according to state assignments (as was the case in the USSR). But if a person paid for their own education, why should they go to work assigned by someone who actually played no role in their education? Someone who paid for their own education has the right to choose what to do with their diploma and their future. Moreover, it's important to remember that a medical degree doesn't make you a doctor. You still need to complete a year-long, and sometimes longer, internship, as an intern, and obtain a specialization. In other words, after receiving your diploma, you need to decide on a specialization. If you're sent where someone else wants, not where you want, then the whole point of studying is lost.
    1. +7
      20 November 2025 10: 46
      I see that they want to solve the problem they themselves created with the so-called "optimization" of medicine and education, using the same method they have become accustomed to doing everywhere - the "command method" - by passing a "law" at the expense of the citizens themselves, without spending a penny from the budget....
    2. +1
      20 November 2025 14: 46
      There aren't any internships anymore, I think. After your sixth year of medical/pedagogical studies, you're a larval therapoid. If you want to become a surgeon, for example, go to a paid residency. I was lucky that 17 years ago I got through all that on a state budget and now I enjoy working. And not in a private hospital, either. In a regular hospital. An altruist, I guess.
    3. 0
      23 November 2025 13: 38
      You also need to complete a year-long, or sometimes longer, internship, as an intern, and obtain a specialization.
      There are no interns now, residency programs are two years long and often fee-based, as there are few budget-funded places, and the total number of residency spots is significantly less than the number of sixth-year graduates.
      1. osp
        0
        23 November 2025 14: 54
        As a rule, in the world's leading countries, internship and mentoring for young doctors are only possible in a hospital setting!
        In Russia, on the contrary, young people are placed in outpatient clinics. Mentoring is impossible there—two doctors in one office is a luxury for any clinic.
        And then, in many district hospitals, specialized departments have long been closed.
        We haven't had a urologist for years. They'll send someone, but who will be the mentor is unknown.
        And where can I do my internship if there is no department?
        Same with the rest.
  34. -2
    20 November 2025 11: 27
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    What kind of tutoring should a young technical engineer apply for?

    For example, preparing for the Unified State Exam in physics and mathematics, solving Olympiad problems in the same subjects. Computer science is also possible...
  35. +6
    20 November 2025 13: 18
    To finally destroy healthcare, the Ministry of Health's saboteurs introduced accreditation, which led to the dismissal of a huge number of part-time workers who had qualification categories but were unable to provide documents confirming their residency or six months of retraining, or to confirm their work experience, since information about part-time employment was previously often not included in their work records.
  36. +1
    20 November 2025 14: 19
    Quote: Guest
    and then it turns out that you still need to take a few paid tests. I'm not saying that it's like this everywhere, but under capitalism, the owners of some clinics can demand

    Why some? All. Private clinics are commercial enterprises whose primary goal is profit.
    1. osp
      -1
      20 November 2025 15: 11
      They do make a profit.
      But don't forget that they need to pay salaries to employees, rent for buildings, and pay taxes and contributions to the state. That's it.
      We need to purchase equipment ourselves that state hospitals cannot afford due to poverty.
      And the profit there is not so significant.
      Often, these clinics are opened by doctors from former state hospitals who have been worn down by a system they are powerless to change. And who understand that they can't leave their city's people without healthcare.
      1. -1
        21 November 2025 09: 32
        So, are they opening them for altruistic reasons or what? Well, let them close them if it's not profitable.
  37. +1
    20 November 2025 14: 37
    When the state effectively removes the medical profession from the competitive landscape with private (for-profit) clinics, there's a strong temptation to leave salaries alone. Not at all. Why bother, if a young doctor won't leave for three years? And after three years, when they inevitably do, a new medical school graduate will take their place. And so on.

    That's the whole point. And then teach the new student all over again. Who's paying for that, by the way? On top of my own work, I have to drag in a couple of half-baked doctors and keep an eye on them? Do I really need that? When I'm earning those 120 rubles and not having to worry about it?
  38. osp
    +3
    20 November 2025 15: 06
    Some people support this innovation, citing that this is how it was in the USSR.
    And this would be a completely wrong, I would say harmful comparison or misconception!
    In the USSR, private medicine basically DID NOT EXIST. That is, only state-run.
    There was no compulsory medical insurance system either. There was only direct budget funding, regardless of profit margins, so preventative healthcare and maternity/child care were largely confined to district centers and villages. That's it.
    In the USSR there was only OFFICIAL employment, especially for medical workers.
    As well as free training to become a doctor.

    That is, based on these inputs, for a medical university graduate in Soviet years, there was simply no other option than official employment in a state hospital.
    And between Khabarovsk, Tashkent, Moscow or Minsk there was no such monstrous gap in salaries/standard of living as today.
    That Moscow is absorbing all the personnel.
    And those working in rural areas and the Far North regions could then earn even more than in Moscow.
    Therefore, this comparison is incorrect with today's situation.
    Since the state has given the green light to private medicine in our country.
    And shadow employment is thriving. Underground medicine also exists.
    1. 0
      23 November 2025 14: 14
      In the USSR, private medicine basically DID NOT EXIST. That is, only state-run.
      Except dentists.
    2. 0
      27 November 2025 03: 45
      Quote from osp
      In the USSR, private medicine basically DID NOT EXIST. That is, only state-run.

      The most important thing in the USSR was that it was impossible to flee abroad. The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs advised Putin to finance a mechanism for pushing talented young people out of Russia, through Russian schools in Central Asia, to the West and East. You just need to finish one or two graduating classes there, and compared to students from Kyrgyzstan, your chances of finding work in South Korea are excellent. Russia's prosecutors are incapable of returning a runaway doctor who decides to completely break with Russia rather than work after graduation. Americans have been advising Phystech graduates to move to the West a year before graduation for 25 years now.
      1. osp
        0
        27 November 2025 15: 53
        They want to extend this law on mandatory work experience to engineers at technical universities. And they say the number of universities should decrease significantly.
        1. 0
          27 November 2025 20: 46
          [quote=osp]They want to extend this law on mandatory work experience to engineers at technical universities.[/quote] So, after serving in a stand-by battalion, a doctor or engineer must serve there as an engineer or doctor? Do Putin and Mishustin want engineers and doctors to only marry divorced women or spinsters who haven't found a partner by age 30?
          1. osp
            0
            28 November 2025 01: 33
            The law on doctors has been extended to everyone. And girls are the ones most often expelled.
            They say that by the time they finish their studies (26-27 years old) and work (3 years), they will already be 30-31 years old.
            And if they send us to the North or the Far East, it will be a complete disaster.
  39. 0
    20 November 2025 22: 03
    Quote from osp
    But don't forget that they need to pay salaries to employees, rent for buildings, and pay taxes and contributions to the state. That's it.

    I haven't forgotten. But these are all matters of optimization. The primary goal of any commercial enterprise is profit. If there is no profit, it goes bankrupt and closes.
  40. -2
    20 November 2025 22: 08
    Quote from osp
    In the USSR, private medicine basically DID NOT EXIST.

    There was. Remember the movie "For Family Circumstances"? Logopef? By the way, it was 1977. There were private doctors and private clinics. I personally took my daughter to a homeopath at a private clinic, not in 1977, of course, later, but still.
  41. +4
    21 November 2025 01: 17
    The huge number of private clinics clearly signals that Russians are willing to pay for treatment if it is at an appropriate level.


    It signals that it is impossible/takes a very long time to obtain medical care at a state clinic and that you have to pay out of pocket.

    In general, this is yet another step by the capitalist government to completely destroy accessible, more or less high-quality healthcare and, subsequently, education. A sure path to feudalism.
  42. 0
    21 November 2025 01: 19
    Oh, how our leaders love to solve state problems through their asses!
    It is worth introducing into law a criterion for selecting a deputy based on professional suitability.
    Since there is a shortage of doctors in medical institutions, it is at least necessary to begin reducing the permissible income levels of the compulsory medical insurance service personnel who are responsible for protecting the state's expenditure on treatment.
    1. 0
      22 November 2025 08: 01
      That's not our method. (I know about the short comment) wassat
  43. +2
    21 November 2025 08: 10
    My daughter completed her residency this year, completing the eight-year target (6+2 years). She's a relatively new specialist, needing just two years to gain experience. We'll use hospitals as training grounds for doctors on patients. Regarding salaries: a pathologist, with maximum hazardous working conditions, earns a monthly salary of around 35000 rubles; they throw in some extra money from the federal budget, bringing the total to around 60,000. Meanwhile, a primary care physician receives a monthly bonus of 45000 rubles. In other words, a doctor fresh out of college, with bonuses, earns more than a specialist working in hazardous conditions. You go to the hospital, and there's practically no one else there except for the primary care physicians. It's an excellent approach to healthcare.
    First, everything needs to be targeted and a five-year work-study period. If you quit or don't become a doctor at all, you have to pay for the full tuition. Half of those who graduate go anywhere but become doctors (cosmetologists, massage therapists, etc.), and the training is quite expensive for the state. Meanwhile, a lot of people can't get in because their places are taken by these cosmetologists.
    1. +1
      21 November 2025 08: 44
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      First, everything needs to be targeted and a five-year work-study period. If you quit or don't become a doctor at all, you have to pay for the full tuition. Half of those who graduate go anywhere but become doctors (cosmetologists, massage therapists, etc.), and the training is quite expensive for the state. Meanwhile, a lot of people can't get in because their places are taken by these cosmetologists.

      Our Stavropol medical center: budget/total - 569 out of 1434, i.e. 60% are paid. Shouldn't they have the right to go wherever they want, at their own expense? By the way, there are 27 public sector dentists out of 437...
  44. -1
    21 November 2025 19: 27
    Stop whining, my mother, a 22-year-old girl, graduated from medical school in 1960 and went to Bykov on Sakhalin Island for three years. She worked there for 20 years and didn't whine, unlike you weaklings. Mind you, medicine hasn't collapsed and the number of applicants hasn't decreased. So if you want to eat a free carrot, be able to pay for it later. Stop whining, you spineless ones.
    1. +3
      22 November 2025 14: 42
      Quote from nikanikolich
      Stop whining, my mother, a 22-year-old girl, graduated from medical school in 1960 and went to Bykov on Sakhalin Island for three years. She worked there for 20 years and didn't whine, unlike you weaklings. Mind you, medicine hasn't collapsed and the number of applicants hasn't decreased. So if you want to eat a free carrot, be able to pay for it later. Stop whining, you spineless ones.

      Did she also live in the Russian Federation? Uh, in the USSR? Well, don't try to apply the realities of a completely different country with completely different principles of existence, including the population, to the capitalist Russian Federation, sir. hi
  45. 0
    21 November 2025 21: 05
    Quote: Russian_Ninja
    Tell me honestly, have you tried to solve at least one version of the Unified State Exam?

    We tried. My daughter is in 11th grade. It's definitely doable, especially if you prepare. And my colleagues' children took the exams over the summer. And they got into their chosen places on a state-funded scholarship. And I'm sure everyone's read about the girl with the 300.
    1. 0
      22 November 2025 16: 10
      That's great, isn't it? I'm not saying the Unified State Exam is too easy to pass, etc. (although any exam is easy if you have the knowledge and understanding), but rather a guessing game, like putting checkmarks in a box and getting the minimum passing score.
      1. 0
        23 November 2025 14: 20
        about the "guessing game," like putting check marks in a box and getting a minimum passing score
        Currently, the Unified State Exam does not have multiple-choice questions.
  46. 0
    22 November 2025 07: 58
    As always, the beloved state first creates a problem, then begins to overcome it, as always, in one place.
  47. +1
    22 November 2025 15: 52
    Overall, the initiative is good, but it can easily be ruined by its implementation.
    And of course, it would be fair if all students (at least those on state-funded programs) worked in their specialty, preferably in places where there is a shortage of personnel (in the provinces, for example): doctors - 3-5 years in hospitals, teachers - in schools, engineers - in factories, philologists and philosophers - as janitors ))))
  48. +1
    22 November 2025 18: 34
    Quote: Russian_Ninja
    tick the boxes and get the minimum passing score

    This isn't about the current Unified State Exam. The number of checkmarks there is quite small, and you won't get a passing grade at a decent university with them. The only way to get a certificate is to get a diploma.
  49. +1
    22 November 2025 18: 42
    Those who study medicine for free at state-run educational institutions must work in their specialty.
    Do I have to sign a contract to become a "freelancer"? Or are there entrance exams?
    What about those who previously qualified for state funding because they had a high level of training? Should they pay for it or sign a contract? Then why bother studying if you've signed a contract and can't continue studying for free?
    And one more thing... We have a minimum wage. It would be good to set a ceiling for state-funded workers at 8-10 times the minimum wage. Not based on salary, but on total income, including bonuses, incentives, benefits for length of service, merit, housing, medical treatment, air travel, food, utilities, etc.
    Personal opinion...
    For a total income of 10 minimum wages per month, you will have to recruit legislators and law enforcement officers for the State Duma and the Federation Council, and for ministries and departments.
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    22 November 2025 18: 43
    Quote: Sunwenmin
    threats to humanity as a species, to which globalists also (for now) belong.

    What if they're reptilians? Or aliens? I've seen a lot of hypotheses on that score.
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      23 November 2025 04: 37
      laughing In this case, we, as a species, clearly have no future if we are unable to unequivocally refute or prove even a simple hypothesis about reptilians.
      By the way, what do you think about a flat earth? lol
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    23 November 2025 12: 11
    Quote: Sunwenmin
    By the way, what do you think about a flat earth?

    Why bother thinking about it? For my purposes, it's flat, to a first approximation. Well, maybe digging a trench for pipes or putting up a veranda. But what's it really like? I'm inclined to agree with the officially accepted view that it's round. Ships disappearing over the horizon, satellite photos. Once upon a time, I calculated the Earth's geoid parameters to refine targeting.
    But if suddenly science can explain all this based on the flat earth model, I don’t mind, let it be flat.
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    23 November 2025 12: 17
    Quote: valek97
    500 rubles per hour

    What 500 rubles? A decent tutor costs 2-5. There are even more expensive ones. And you can't find one now because they're all booked up.
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    23 November 2025 19: 11
    1 minimum wage for a paramedic. 10 minimum wages for a State Duma and Federation Council deputy.
    25 minimum wages for heads of ministries and federal services.
    Is it possible to do this?
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    24 November 2025 01: 36
    We're used to criticizing officials for all sorts of things, they're used to hearing criticism and not really doing anything about it (try replacing them, of course), but one thought haunts me: the government knows perfectly well what it's doing.

    Now he needs this for only one thing - he needs to concentrate what he has as much as possible, so that he won’t have to let it go in the near-term “tomorrow.”

    And in this tomorrow, another conflict may loom, in which one can feel free to take away everything under martial law—freedom to choose one's place of work (after all, doctors are subject to military service), savings, freedom of movement during mobilization, and so on.

    Therefore, the state, as usual, will let the grumbling and other things pass - after all, if they tolerated it, then they can take further steps.

    And for what, if not for something large-scale?