What can lead Russophobic mood in Ukraine

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, many controversial issues arose immediately between Ukraine and Russia. One of the most popular topics for discussion at that time was a link to historical events of the times of Kievan Rus. The Ukrainian political elite has constantly maintained that Kiev is the cradle of the entire East Slavic Orthodox civilization. In negotiations, the Ukrainian side demanded preferences for itself, ignoring the views of fraternal Slavic peoples associated with the common history of Ukrainians. No one could have imagined that after a few hundred years, the fate of Ukraine would depend on its division into the eastern part, annexed to Russia on the basis of the decision of the Pereyaslavskaya Rada in 1654, and its western part, included in the Commonwealth.

These events led to the fact that the once united people had a different culture, traditions, mentality and ethnicity. Eastern Ukraine has become a powerful industrial center, the largest metallurgical complex of the whole country. Enterprises needed a huge labor force and Russian workers from the whole territory of the Russian Empire, and then from all over the USSR, reached the east of Ukraine. The main language of communication was Russian, while Russian immigrants brought their traditions and culture to Ukraine. Before the accession of western Ukraine to Russia, it was part of Austria and Poland. And for these countries, Russia has always been an opponent. The Russian occupation during the First World War left only fear in the memories of the inhabitants of the western part of Ukraine. After being incorporated into the Soviet Union, the inhabitants of the western annexed territories for a long time fought the new government against weapons in hand. Most of the population of western Ukraine speaks Ukrainian, in schools teaching is in Ukrainian. In addition, the residents of western Ukraine are mostly Catholics or parishioners of the Uniate Church. The population of the eastern part of Ukraine is Orthodoxy and are parishioners of the UOC, which is part of the Moscow Patriarchate. The population of the eastern part of the country speaks mixed Russian-Ukrainian language. In schools, instruction is conducted in both Ukrainian and Russian. Eastern Ukraine is more focused on cooperation with Russia, and the population of the western part of Ukraine is anti-Russian.

In fact, it turned out that the country is split into two parts. The linguistic border within Ukraine is becoming more and more clearly formed, this is especially evident in the younger generation. The east and southeast demand to recognize Russian as the second state language, but this request is blocked by the west of the country. The gap is aggravated by the section on religious, geopolitical and civilizational areas of various regions. There are regions that actively require independence - this is Transcarpathia and Crimea. Donbass and Galicia are trying to impose their image all over Ukraine. They say that there are fewer differences between Montenegro and Serbia than between Eastern and Western Ukraine. In fact, it turns out that it is not possible to Ukrainize the whole country, it is impossible to establish good neighborly relations with Russia, a significant part of the population of eastern Ukraine does not support the decision on the country's accession to NATO, etc. The struggle is not so much between parties, as between regions.

This pronounced sociocultural regionalism makes senseless almost any initiatives of politicians.

These circumstances are used in their political game by the Ukrainian nationalists, who have practically 90% support from the population of the western part of Ukraine. In order to influence the political, economic and military situation in the country, the nationalists create parties that are trying with all their might to get into the corridors of power of the Ukrainian state. One of these parties is the Ukrainian nationalist party Freedom. Since its participation in the elections, this party has received no more than 1% of the vote. On the "account" of the party "Freedom" riots perpetrated in Dnepropetrovsk. The Ukrainian Jewish Committee claims that this party is fascist. In 2009, the people of Sevastopol dispersed a rally organized by members of the Svoboda party in support of their presidential candidate, Tyagnibok. About 300 residents of Sevastopol took to the streets with slogans - "Fascism will not pass." In 2012, the European Parliament passed a resolution on the Ukrainian Freedom party. In it, representatives of the international community pointed out their concern that the nationalist party became part of the Verkhovna Rada. The European Parliament recalled that racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic views promoted by the Svoboda party are not in line with EU principles.

But lately, the Svoboda party has begun to rapidly increase its influence and has become very popular among the Ukrainian population. Thanks to the support of the western population of Ukraine and many Ukrainian politicians, the works of the nationalists were not in vain: during the years of "independence", a national intelligentsia was created in Ukraine that is extremely anti-Russian.

The western regions of Ukraine (Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, etc.) became the pillars of the Russophobic moods. They formed a front against the Ukrainian regions, pro-Russian set. One of the results of the Orange Revolution was the creation of a sufficiently powerful political electorate by merging voters in the central part of Ukraine, supporting Tymoshenko, and western Ukraine, which were led by V. Yushchenko. It is not excluded that the strengthening of the Svoboda party is connected with the plans of splitting the “orange bloc”, singling out zapadents from it, joining them to the nationalist Svoboda party, and there it’s not far from the arrival of the russophobic politicians.

The fact that this plan is quite real is confirmed by the recent elections to the Verkhovna Rada - three parties: Yulia Tymoshenko’s “Batkivshchyna”, Freedom Т Freedom ’and Klitschko’s“ Hit ”received more votes than the eastern and southeastern parties of Ukraine: the Communist Party and the Party regions. If the nationalists have a bright leader who can rally anti-Russian forces around himself, then, practically, his coming to power is a foregone conclusion. Moreover, in Kiev, the positions of the Svoboda Party are strong enough - a third of the Kiev residents cast their votes for this nationalist party in the elections. This means that the project of the final break-up of Ukraine from Russia is reaching a decisive line. It should be noted that the Svoboda party finds sufficiently convincing arguments for propaganda of anti-Russian, anti-Semitic views, which attracts more and more of the country's population, and especially the youth. The nationalistic treatment of the Ukrainian population is very dangerous for Russia. According to some analysts, it can even lead to military confrontation between the two states. Perhaps the Ukrainian nationalists are trying to bring everything to a small, even if not victorious, war with Russia. What this may lead to, we have already seen from the result of the Russian-Georgian military conflict in 2008. Georgia was defeated by its more powerful neighbor, but relations between the two countries finally deteriorated, perhaps for a very long time.

Ukrainian nationalists, in particular, the Svoboda Party, take time to process the Ukrainian population, because in order for the “brother to go to brother” it is necessary that the Ukrainians give up their relationship with the Russian people. Ukrainian Russophobic parties are actively pursuing the ideological treatment of their population.

Unfortunately, few people see that such activities can lead to the opposite result - Ukraine can be divided into two states either peacefully or in a civil war. This will be the result of a long split in society and aggravated hostile relations between the population of the east and west of Ukraine. So far, no political party dares to even say about the possible division of the country - because then there will be a real threat of losing Ukrainian statehood. Whatever the contradictions between the political parties or the eastern and western regions of the country, while everyone is united in the opinion that it is necessary to preserve the single socio-cultural community of the Ukrainian state.

In the meantime, the parties are fighting for power, the common people believe that for each of the citizens of Ukraine it is now important to preserve their social status: high salaries, normal medical care, educational opportunities and good pensions.

Materials used:
http://dentv.ru/content/view/russko-ukrainskaya-vojna-blizhe-chem-dumayut/
http://www.apn.ru/publications/article17537.htm
http://my.mail.ru/community/socializmus/4303827B8A848DDA.html

Comments

[svp67]

I am very sorry for the people of Ukraine, the contradictions inside this country are so great and grow more and more every year, that the Moldavian option, in which the country will split into two parts, is not excluded, only this process will cost a lot of blood

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: svp67

that the Moldavian version, in which the country will split into two parts, is not excluded, only this process will cost a lot of blood

In Moldova, this will not work, as it is not strange, but the most popular politician in Moldova is Putin there, something around 70-80%, this was the other day

[Apollo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In Moldova, this will not work, as it is not strange, but the most popular politician in Moldova is Putin there, something around 70-80%, this was the other day

Good morning, Alexander! I confirm

Moldovans called Putin the most popular politician
According to a poll, Russian President Vladimir Putin became the most popular politician among Moldovan citizens, 74% of respondents gave preference to the Russian leader.

link http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/4/28/630667.html

[domokl]

The author softened his paints. Ukraine will not be torn into two, but into three parts ... Crimea will also become independent, most likely Tatar ... But in general, the conclusion is correct - Ukraine is on its way to the end.
In my opinion, the next presidential election will be the end of the country. On the horizon there is only one type of politician who will be won by a boxer ... He suits him with his inexperience, his ambitions, his pro-Western understanding of democracy and everything else. Add not so dirty underwear and we get the new president as an independent.

[baltika-18]

Quote: domokl

Ukraine will be torn not into two, but into three parts ... Crimea will also become independent, most likely Tatar ..

As for the Tatar Crimea, why are you grabbing.
Crimean population:
Russians-1 million 180 thousand
Ukrainians-492tys.
Tatars-243tys.
"The Crimea peninsula will become Russian again."

[svp67]

Quote: baltika-18

"The Crimea peninsula will become Russian again."

And for many years it can become our "headache", like the Caucasus ...

[andrejwz]

Quote: svp67

Quote: baltika-18

"The Crimea peninsula will become Russian again."

And for many years it can become our "headache", like the Caucasus ...

Crimea will not be, but there is Russian, and we will cure OUR "headache" ourselves.

[svp67]

Quote: andrejwz

Crimea will not be, but there is Russian, and we will cure OUR "headache" ourselves.

Boldly. Have you ever been to Crimea?

[fzr1000]

There have been. I am sure that with the collapse of Ukraine, Crimeans from Turkey, Galicia and Russia will choose Russia. We will definitely help them in this choice.

[domokl]

Quote: baltika-18

As for the Tatar Crimea, why are you grabbing.

Not at all ... the Crimean Tatars, unlike the Russians and Ukrainians, are perfectly organized, they are constantly growing in numbers and are gradually crowding out others from entire regions of Crimea.
Underestimating such an adversary is archaeological. And at the same time, Russians without real support from the fleet and Russia as a whole, 9 is de jure illegal) weaker than even Ukrainians in organization and capabilities ..

[shark]

Do not overestimate the Tatars. They become impudent, because the Ukrainian authorities are afraid of them and do not want to get involved with them. Well, the power in Ukraine is toothless. What to take from it. If Russia acts decisively, without looking back at the "democratic community", then we will succeed

[washi]

Ukraine wants to Europe, and there already worship of Islam. Churches are being destroyed, but mosques are being built.

[baltika-18]

Quote: domokl

Not at all ... the Crimean Tatars, unlike the Russians and Ukrainians, are perfectly organized,

To do this, there are newly created special operations troops, the concept of the use of which implies activities in the territories of other countries, if there is a threat to the Russian population. An excellent opportunity will be to test them in action. The other day, the exercises were held, the men worked cool.

[WW3]

Gazprom can privatize Ukrainian. The GTS and, accordingly, ensure the protection of their property all the way to the military, and in Crimea there is a Black Sea Fleet base in Sevastopol with an extended lease until 2042, so that Crimea does not sail away from Russia under any scenario, and let the Crimean Tatars smoke bamboo on Mount Ai -Petri.

[piotr534]

"The Crimea peninsula will become Russian again."

It's time. And then Nikita was giving away Russian lands. Crimea to Ukraine, 5 regions of Kazakhstan

[Marek Rozny]

In what year and which allegedly "primordially Russian lands" were transferred to Kazakhstan, a fan of Solzhenitsyn?

[piotr534]

Nikita Khrushchev transferred 5 regions under the jurisdiction of the KSSR that were previously part of the RSFSR. You’ll find it on the Internet, but I didn’t use the word PRINCIPLES.

[Marek Rozny]

Once again I ask - which areas and in which year did Khrushchev give us?

[anip]

Khrushchev did not transmit anything to Kazakhstan. Over the entire period of the existence of the USSR, there were about two dozen territories transferred between the republics (not only the Kazakh SSR).
And if we talk about Kazakhstan, then it wasn’t even before the Bolsheviks. If not for the Bolsheviks, there would have been no Kazakhstan at all.
..
It was originally formed as the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as part of the RSFSR on August 26, 1920, with its capital in Orenburg; renamed in April 1925 to the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. In February 1925, the Orenburg region was withdrawn from the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and transferred to the RSFSR, and the capital was moved to Kzyl-Orda (1925), then to Alma-Ata (1929). As a result of the national-state demarcation of Central Asia in 1924-1925. all Kazakh lands are united. Then the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was renamed the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. In March 1930, Karakalpakia was separated from it, later transferred to the Uzbek SSR. On December 5, 1936, the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was given the status of a union republic with the name Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic.

[Marek Rozny]

Well. At least someone knew on Wikipedia to rummage before clever about the transfer of land.
1) The Kazakh Khanate was formed in the middle of the 15th century, headed by the Chingizids Janibek and Kerey. The Russian state had diplomatic relations with Ivan the Terrible and until the moment Kazakhstan joined the Russian Empire as an "autonomous republic" (in modern language) in the 18th century. At the beginning of the 19th century, the tsarist government eliminated the khan's power in Kazakhstan and divided the territory into governors general. After the bourgeois revolution, the Kazakhs began to demand the return of their autonomous status, which was done in the 20s. Before the famine of 1932-1933, the Kazakhs were the largest Turkic ethnic group in the USSR (both in number and in terms of residence), therefore in 1936 the republic became a union, not an autonomous.
2) No "Russian" lands were transferred to us. On the contrary, the lands on which the Kazakhs lived were transferred in favor of Russia.
3) Until the end of the 19th - beginning of the 20th centuries, there were practically no Russians in the territory of present-day Kazakhstan (with the exception of the military — soldiers and Cossacks and a handful of runaway Old Believers), however, after the start of the implementation of Stolypin’s program to resettle landless peasants in Siberia and Kazakhstan , the first Russian colonists appeared here, in whose favor, essno, the lands were taken from the Kazakhs. In the end, it all resulted in a large-scale uprising of 1916. The influx of Russian immigrants stopped.
Only in the years of the first Stalinist five-year plans did new migrants from the Slavic republics appear. But a radical change occurred under Khrushchev, when a virgin saga began, as a result of which millions of peasants / collective farmers and Komsomol members from the European part of the USSR were sent to Kazakhstan. We must also take into account hundreds of thousands of deportees to the Kazakh SSR under Stalin. From the moment of virgin land, Kazakhs instantly turned out to be a minority in their own republic - 30% of the total population. But already in the 70s, the outflow of the Russian population back home began - most of the virgin lands were ruined because they did not take into account the steppe wind erosion, and a lot of people became simply superfluous.
4) If anyone considers which region of Kazakhstan is "primordially Russian", let him look at the pre-revolutionary population census of these regions. There, the data is given already taking into account the Stolypin migrants. And even so, it is clearly visible that the Russians in the KZ at that time had a gulkin's nose. Even taking into account the military and officials.

ZY The Russians founded not "cities" on the territory of the Kazakh steppe, but exclusively military bases - forts, fortifications. Civil Russians did not smell there until the end of the 19th century. It was then that they became a place for civilians to live, when the Kazakhs began to use Russian military facilities as a place to sell their large cattle. For this, dealers (usually Kazan Tatars) came there, so it was born civic start "Russian cities" in Kazakhstan. Finally, they became civilian settlements during administrative reforms and the transfer of settlers from among the former serfs.
Z.Z.Y. Omsk is the former capital of the Akmola region, Orenburg is the former capital of Kazakhstan, if anyone did not know.

So lovers scratch their tongue about "unjustly given lands" Kazakhs in the time of Khrushchev or someone else - a request to read at least once something other than Solzhenitsyn and Zhirinovsky.

[svp67]

Quote: Marek Rozny

Orenburg - the former capital of Kazakhstan,

Orenburg was laid three times and in different places by Russians, like a fortress - an outpost on its borders, and in which of these places did one of your khans put his yurts before?

In the 1730 year, the khan (horde) of the Younger Kazakh zhuz Abulkhair turned to the Russian Empire with a request for entry into citizenship. So, to strengthen Russia's influence in the Trans-Urals, an expedition was sent under the leadership of I.K. Kirilov, who was instructed to lay a fortress city. On August 31 1735, at the confluence of the Ory River into the Yaik River (currently the Urals), the city of Orenburg was founded. However, the place of the city was chosen rather irrationally - it was constantly flooded with spring floods. On 20 of August 1739 the city of Orenburg was laid down again along the Yaiku River in the tract Red Mountain. But according to the project of I.I. The Neplyuev fortified city of Orenburg should have been moved to the confluence of Sakmara and the Urals (Yaika). And it was at this place on April 19 1743 Orenburg was founded for the last, third time.

And to the question of the capital

Several times after the Great October Revolution of 1917, the status of Orenburg changed. From 1920 to 1925, it was the capital of the Kyrgyz (Kazakh) ASSR. In 1928, the Middle Volga Region was created, then it was transformed into a region, and the city was made a district. Since the 1930 of the year the city became a district, and only from the end of the 1934 of the year, when the Orenburg region stood out from the Middle Volga region, the city of Orenburg became a regional center.

[Marek Rozny]

Orenburg was laid at the request of the Kazakh khan the Younger Zhuz Abulkhair, who did not have solid power among his own people and needed a fortress in order to hide from his own people in the event of a coup. Ordinary Kazakhs did not want to build a fortress on their territory, because they already faced with the fact that after that they actually lose their land, which was used as pasture for their many cattle. And the Bashkirs have already managed to tell the Kazakhs how the Russians control them (little good). Therefore, when the Russian builders of the fortress arrived in the future Orenburg region, the Kazakhs advised the newcomers to build in a certain place, which was actually very bad - this area was flooded with water every year.
The Russians fell for the "tip" of the local Kazakhs and built the "first" Orenburg. When, over the next few years, the Russians were particularly bored of the spring floods, they had already chosen a more successful place for the construction of a military base, and it was it that became the current "third" Orenburg. The "second" Orenburg was renamed Orsk.
Abulkhair did not have a capital (in the European sense). And in general, he was not the khan of all Kazakhs, but only the smallest in number of Kazakhs - the Small Zhuz, who lived and lives in the territory of present-day Western Kazakhstan and in a number of Russian regions (Volgograd, Astrakhan, Orenburg). On these lands the capital cities were at different times in Sarai Batu (Kharabalinsky district of the Astrakhan region), Sarai Berke (Leninsky district of the Volgograd region) and in Sarayshyke (Saraichik) - Makhambet district of Atyrau region of Kazakhstan.

[Marek Rozny]

In 1925, Orenburg, together with the region, was withdrawn from Kazakhstan and transferred to the RSFSR. Thus, a wedge was driven between the Central Asian Turks and the Volga (Tatarstan, Bashkiria). In the same way, Astrakhan and Volgograd are a wedge between us and the Caucasian Turks (Catherine II drove this wedge by building military bases and populating these lands with Germans, later Russian settlers). Northern Turks are also separated from other Turks by "Russian" regions. The Turks of the Russian Empire and then the Soviet Union are split by such wedges. And just do not say that this is a coincidence, an accident, and there is no "intent" on the part of the tsars and the Soviet regime. Divide and rule. If the Orenburg region remained a part of Kazakhstan, then Tatarstan and Bashkiria would have long ago seceded from the Russian Federation. This was also understandable for the Soviet authorities in the 20s, when its positions were not yet so strong in the Turkic lands and there was a high probability of the Kazakhs breaking away from the RSFSR, especially after the famine of the 20s. Possible separatism of the Kazakhs would undoubtedly affect the situation in Tatarstan and Bashkiria. So they decided to fence off the Volga Asians from the Kazakhs by separating the Orenburg region from the rest of Kazakhstan. I myself am a native of the Orenburg region and moved to Kazakhstan only in the 90s. The lower part of the region is Kazakh, the upper part is Tatar and Bashkir. Russians massively appeared in the region in the last decades of the Russian Empire. Before that, the Russians were usually only military and officials there. None of the Kazakhs argue that this is the territory of the Russian Federation, that no one is going to revise our borders - this is stupid and it is fraught with danger for everyone. But to expose the same Orenburg land as "primordially" Russian - this causes, to put it mildly, surprise from the Kazakhs and Tatars. To call the Orenburg region a primordially Russian land, at least find one tributary near the Urals with a Slavic name. By the way, the Ural is the Bashkir name for the mountains. The Tatars and Bashkirs call the river Yaik, and the Kazakhs call Zhaiyk (with the Tatars, the key difference in our language is that we are dzhek, and they yekayut: dzhigit - yigit, jets - yety, jaman - yaman, Zhaiyk - Yaik, well, we have more options for endings for nouns in the plural).
In short, Orenburg was built at the request of the Kazakh Khan on Kazakh soil for his own needs, and not so that this fortress would later become a Russian city. At that time, Abulkhair did not even think that later this land would become the residence of the alien Russians and Germans.

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: anip

If not for the Bolsheviks, there would have been no Kazakhstan at all.

if not for the Bolsheviks, there would be no RSFSR.

Kazakhstan existed before the Russians. Don't make yourself "creators" of Kazakhstan.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

It is necessary in the archives to look for documents on the transfer of the Crimea and 5 regions to Kazakhstan, there are probably legal inconsistencies with the Constitution and the law of the time, for which you can cling to and take the land back by law !!!

[Marek Rozny]

Before you start your search, answer a simple question - which areas and in which year were transferred to Kazakhstan?

[dannen77]

I don’t give a damn to me in Kazakhstan. Crimea would be taken away by Russia.

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: dannen77

Russia would take Crimea back do not live themselves and do not give us

The Chinese, looking at the Far East and Siberia, have exactly the same logic.

[Alibekulu]

From a dead donkey ears, not 5 regions of Kazakhstan ..

[svp67]

Quote: baltika-18

As for the Tatar Crimea, why are you grabbing.
Crimean population:
Russians-1 million 180 thousand
Ukrainians-492tys.
Tatars-243tys.

The population of the Crimean peninsula is steadily declining at a rate of 0,4% per year. This is especially obvious for the Russian and Ukrainian ethnic groups, whose rate of decline is 0,6% and 0,12% annually, respectively. For comparison, the general growth rate of the ethnic Crimean Tatar population is growing at a rate of 0,9% per year.

[fzr1000]

What's the difference? The main thing is not the growth of the local population, but the number of our units in the Crimea and our opportunities for their rapid increase in an emergency.

[svp67]

Quote: fzr1000

What's the difference? The main thing is not the growth of the local population, but the number of our units in the Crimea and our opportunities for their rapid increase in an emergency.

Yes, but what about Kosovo? The bros did not pass this trick, and the second time it became a place of their grief ...

[washi]

instead of self-defense, these regular corrupt little brothers surrendered a long time ago and climb into the European Union. We have already fought enough for them. Enough. Let them try it on their own or are part of the Russian Federation.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

If in Crimea they hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation, then it’s possible to move !!! And Ukraine, if it holds a referendum on joining, you are welcome !!!!! I have a question for the Ukrainian, what was their bad life in the Union? The whole elite was Ukrainian, and no one infringed on them, tell me honestly honestly, was it bad for you and the Union? Just your first one wanted to become the Chief and the rich, as with us, and they don’t give a damn about the people !!!!

[Marek Rozny]

Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW

If in Crimea they hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation,

Hmm ... interesting logic. And in which regions of Russia can such referendums be held? I would start (if the Russians think that they can hold referendums abroad) with the Orenburg region - my small homeland. The autochthonous population of the region - Kazakhs, Tatars and Bashkirs will happily vote for independence from Russia. Tatars and Bashkirs will support this idea, because after the disconnection of Orenburg back to Kazakhstan, the Volga Turkic autonomies will instantly find themselves next to Kazakhstan, and, essno, will begin to demand complete independence from the Russian Federation. The only thing that was holding them back and restraining is that they are cut off from other Turks and are surrounded by Russian regions. Orenburg and other lands were transferred to Russia for a reason, but in order to cut the Turkic peoples of the Volga, Turkestan, Siberia, and the Caucasus. There are now thin layers of "Russian regions" between all the Turkic lands, which make the unification of the Turks meaningless. Divide and rule.
And after the Orenburg region (and it is not the city itself that is of interest - at least only a thin line from Kazakhstan to Tatarstan, where Orenburg Kazakhs, Tatars and Bashkirs live), you need to do the Siberian exit to the Yakuts, the Altai Territory, access to the Caucasian Turks through Astrakhan (where the Kazakhs are also indigenous people) - to the Nogais, North Caucasian Turks and, of course, Azerbaijanis ...
Do you still dream of holding a referendum in Crimea? We need to think about what the consequences will be after this precedent.

[CTEPX]

You are CCC ... ineoky on our site)).
When did the Russians settle you were slaughtered?
CCC ... no-eyed)).
Well, if in fact ...
You sin everything)).

[Marek Rozny]

Sometimes it's better to chew than talk.

[fzr1000]

There will not be as many Tatars in Crimea as there were Muslims in Kosovo at that time, because so much time will not pass. The fate of Ukraine will be decided much earlier. Now historical processes are going much faster than 100-200 years ago. BUT Russia must behave cautiously, smartly and strongly here. In the meantime, the opposite is true.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

FZR1000 We are not amers, we must act according to the law, and Crimean Tatars need to be reminded that for good they must be paid in kind !!!

[fzr1000]

If Ukraine begins to fall apart, then it is necessary according to the law, and not to yawn, otherwise time will pass. But I, of course, do not campaign for any intervention.

[svp67]

Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW

FZR1000 We are not amers, we must act according to the law, and Crimean Tatars need to be reminded that for good they must be paid in kind !!!

Of all the "good" they remember very well how the Russian empress deprived them of their "business" on slaves and how Stalin deported them to Central Asia ... and for many this "memory" is "off scale"

[Marek Rozny]

Remind me, in what specific year and in which particular lands belonging to Russia did the Crimeans invade for "slaves"? Do not bother poking around on the internet - Crimeans have not invaded Russia since the time of Ivan the Terrible. It was Russia that constantly invaded (most often unsuccessfully) the territory of the Crimean Khanate.

[svp67]

Quote: Marek Rozny

Remind me, in what specific year and in which particular lands belonging to Russia did the Crimeans invade for "slaves"? Do not bother poking around on the internet - Crimeans have not invaded Russia since the time of Ivan the Terrible. It was Russia that constantly invaded (most often unsuccessfully) the territory of the Crimean Khanate.

Listen to this issue, it is enough to look even in "Wiki" in the article "Crimean-Nogai raids on Russia" to understand that your statement is complete nonsense ...

As an example, 1628 year (Grozny has been gone for more than 40 years) - the Kursk governor summoned I.A. Annenkov, who was already famous for his courage, who lived in his patrimony and entrusted him with the military forces of the Kursk nobles, children of boyars and other military people for the campaign against the Tatars. I.A. Annenkov moved with his army south, towards Belgorod and in 100 versts from Kursk overtook the Tatars, who managed to capture a lot of polonyans. Having caught up with the enemies, I.A. Annenkov seized their camp and, taking it, freed the Russian captives. But the predators did not relent and approached Kursk. Here at night in 10 versts from Kursk on the Vinogrobl River I. A. Annenkov defeated this detachment and captured Tatar chiefs “in full”

[baltika-18]

Quote: svp67

the general growth rate of the ethnic Crimean Tatar population is growing at a rate of 0,9% per year.

Over 5 years it will not grow much, and then it will be possible to reduce.

[svp67]

Quote: baltika-18

Over 5 years it will not grow much, and then it will be possible to reduce.

Here is what the encyclopedia writes:

The mass return began in the 1989 year, and today about 270 thousand Crimean Tatars live in Crimea. At the same time, about 150 thousand people still remain in places of deportation. The main problems are mass unemployment (its level among Crimean Tatars is several times higher than the average for Crimea)

And here's what Wiki writes

They live mainly in Crimea (about 260 thousand) and adjacent areas of continental Ukraine, as well as in Turkey, Romania (24 thousand), Uzbekistan (90 thousand [3], estimates from 10 thousand to 150 thousand), Russia (4 thousand, mainly in the Krasnodar Territory), Bulgaria (3 thousand). According to local Crimean Tatar organizations, the diaspora in Turkey totals hundreds of thousands of people, however, exact data on its number are not available, since data on the national composition of the country's population are not published in Turkey. The total number of residents whose ancestors immigrated to the country from Crimea at different times is estimated at 5-6 million people in Turkey, but most of these people have assimilated and consider themselves not Crimean Tatars, but Turks of Crimean descent

Think 5 in Turkey alone, and how many are still ready to stand up for "half-brothers" - you can't cut it off your shoulder, the area is "thin"

[Stalinets]

And how many "chosen people" have "returned" from the Promised and Historical Lands, together with armed guards .... About this, no gu-gu.

[dannen77]

I agree that the younger brother breeds like cockroaches, the difference between us is 13 years old. A teacher of Russian (foreign language) Tatar had to go to her brother’s school with her mother to understand it, she would have to hire a translator

[nnz226]

Well, Crimea won't be Tatar. If the next "Ruin" starts on an independent territory, Russia will remember (and did not forget) that the Crimea is Russian under international treaties, and using its military units in Crimea and Sevastopol, will restore justice trampled by the bald maize

[domokl]

Quote: nnz226

Russia will remember (and did not forget) that Crimea is Russian under international treaties,

And thereby become for the Ukrainians an occupier ... a forceful solution to the problem would mean occupation ...

[biglow]

Quote: domokl

Quote: nnz226

Russia will remember (and did not forget) that Crimea is Russian under international treaties,

And thereby become for the Ukrainians an occupier ... a forceful solution to the problem would mean occupation ...

what occupiers, what Ukrainians, the majority of the Russian people live in Crimea, we just say thank you, and most likely the neighboring areas will catch up

[washi]

Ukrainian citizens live in Crimea. Those. Russian intervention, without good reason, will be considered occupation.

[dannen77]

the basis for the return of their lands squandered by the "maize" protection of the Russian Russian-speaking population

[Stalinets]

For this, there is a special forces. They not only "languages" do waterboarding. And one more often know how ..

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

No, just the owner will return home !!!

[dannen77]

what occupation are we now under occupation

[Stalinets]

God forbid our calves ..... They, oh wei, quickly cut their wings. Now I'm glad it's KNESSET. Do not believe, check. However, like the Duma. To our great regret. But alas, there are no leaders capable of making a little pogrom in this herring stoned by the Rada.

[pinachet]

if Crimea is independent it can be taken by the Turks.

[Mairos]

There Tatars 20-25% of the population. How will he become Tatar?

[svp67]

Quote: Mairos

There Tatars 20-25% of the population. How will he become Tatar?

Yes, according to the principle of Kosovo, there were also fewer Albanians at the beginning of the Serbs. And the same Crimean Tatars from "exile" returned to Crimea three times more than were deported ...

[Avenger711]

Unlike Kosovo, the Tatars can be crushed by tanks with complete impunity.

[biglow]

Quote: domokl

The author softened his paints. Ukraine will be torn not in two, but in three parts ... Crimea will also become independent, most likely Tatar ...

in the first, the Tatars are few, in the second there is no unity between them, they are purely formally united as they are divided into mountain and steppe clans or tribes. In the third, they as well as local residents have long been living off tourism and this is one of the reasons for peace in Crimea all these years. Land grabs have long ended. Another moment, unlike the Caucasus, Crimea is not great and the Tatar youth, even leaving for work in the cities, is still relatively far from home and, accordingly, one of the elders looks at their behavior and those wild trick which the Chechens sometimes arrange and others we almost never have. And many Tatars, seeing how Chechens live and how much the state throws money into the Caucasus, want to live the same way .. Not everything is so obvious and bad

[Marek Rozny]

In vain you scoop the old information from Wikipedia. Crimean Tatars have long ceased to be divided into "mountain" or "steppe inhabitants". Firstly, the bulk of the steppe inhabitants left for Turkey during the time of Catherine, and secondly, the evicted Crimeans had been mixed for a long time while they were in exile. They have practically no generic division. No matter how much I communicated with the Crimean Tatars, I could not find among them representatives of my clan - the Argyns, who were one of the main clans there a couple of centuries ago. Most of them cannot answer a simple question to the Crimean - "What kind of family are you?"

[CTEPX]

"Ottomans" - not Turks - were invented to fight against Russians)).
And the Crimeans - just chose the wrong side)).
Like, as they are now trying to make a choice for Ukrainians)).

[Vovka levka]

Quote: domokl

The author softened the paints. Ukraine will be torn not in two, but in three ...

Calm down this will not happen. And there are no "Russophobic sentiments" in Ukraine. And don't make up any nonsense for yourself. Better come to visit, from Western to Eastern Ukraine. See how people live and how they live, and how they think. And don't write any nonsense.

[Shawnee]

A group from Belarus arrived yesterday for an excursion. Palm Sunday, people go to church to dedicate willow branches. A young excursionist flew out of the bus with an exclamation "For the Motherland, for Stalin," but when she saw the crowd near the church she stopped herself and fell silent. Nobody paid attention to her, tk. listened to the priest's sermon.
I saw such a scene.
People in all countries are different, it is not possible to cut them under one comb ...

[MG42]

Quote: Vovka Levka

Calm down this will not happen. And there are no "Russophobic sentiments" in Ukraine

Slyly. It is enough to turn on the 5th channel and make sure the opposite.

[Vovka levka]

Quote: MG42

Slyly. It is enough to turn on the 5th channel and make sure the opposite.

I don’t watch TV and I advise you. There is so much crap that it makes you feel sick. I just live there and see no problems. And a few idiots can be found everywhere, in any country.

[MG42]

Quote: Vovka Levka

I don’t watch TV and I advise you.

Well let's put the TV aside >>> let's say you don't watch it, but there is an Internet connection that you use, go to Ukrainian. political sites and make sure that there are Russophobic sentiments >>> I do not believe that there are all the comments paid by tyagnibok.

[Vovka levka]

Quote: MG42

/ Quote]
Well let's put the TV aside >>> let's say you don't watch it, but there is an Internet connection that you use, go to Ukrainian. political sites and make sure that there are Russophobic sentiments >>> I do not believe that there are all the comments paid by tyagnibok.

There is a lot on the Internet, even on this site. Here you read some comments, you don't even know what to say. Take, for example, the statement of Ivan Urgant in the program "Smak", what is in mind is in the language. But I'm not saying that the Russian people are bad, but individual specimens, but God be with them.

[CTEPX]

Quote: Vovka Levka

Take at least the statement of Ivan Urgant

Statements of Urgant (with a claim to Zhvanetsky) compared with the chant of Verka Serduchka - childish pranks)).
Moreover, Urgant laughed not at the Ukrainians, but at the tendentiousness of the presentation of historical facts in the history of Ukraine)).

[Mhpv]

Here Urgant offended the Ukrainians one and at once, and how many of these "Urgants" in Ukraine speak out towards Russia - this is normal in their language, they can.
He even found the courage to apologize, but these are not even going to.

[CTEPX]

http://job-sbu.org/urgant-oskorbil-ukraintsev-svoimi-shutkami.html

There was nothing to apologize for ...
Is that for the "red commissars")).

[Vovka levka]

Quote: ctepx

Statements of Urgant (with a claim to Zhvanetsky) compared with the chant of Verka Serduchka - childish pranks)).
Moreover, Urgant laughed not at the Ukrainians, but at the tendentiousness of the presentation of historical facts in the history of Ukraine)).

You certainly have an interesting comparison. And about history, you know where no one knows the truth, because everyone has their own truth. I have a simple principle, since I love and interest in history, I read everything, whether I like it or not. And then I analyze and draw conclusions for myself. Read for example http://www.istpravda.com.ua/, you certainly will not like it, but if you wish, you can draw some conclusions and analytical thoughts for yourself. In the world, nothing can be taken on faith except God. Because they always want to use us in their mercantile interests, the war for the minds of people is ongoing. That from the left, that from the right, that from the West, that from the East and so on. But we are intelligent people, that is, we must think and reflect. We should not be rams, for the purpose of rams, go to slaughter. I wish you success and good luck.

[CTEPX]

Fair? Your link disappointed me)).

Quote: Vovka Levka

Read for example http://www.istpravda.com.ua

In Siberia, we don’t read this for about 8 years)).
There is such a definition - the yellow press)).
And about the conclusions and analytical thoughts ...
I think for the BEGINNING you should read Fomenko (Ukrainian surname, by the way)).
And then, if hooked, and you can talk)).

[Vovka levka]

Quote: ctepx

Fair? Your link disappointed me)).

Quote: Vovka Levka

Read for example http://www.istpravda.com.ua

In Siberia, we don’t read this for about 8 years)).
There is such a definition - the yellow press)).
And about the conclusions and analytical thoughts ...
I think for the BEGINNING you should read Fomenko (Ukrainian surname, by the way)).
And then, if hooked, and you can talk)).

What disappoints there was no doubt, she was not given for this.
And I’ll tell you this: when I told my parents in 1989 that I had to withdraw money from a Sberbank, a loaf of bread would cost 10 rubles. They said that I was sick on my head.
During the "Orange Revolution" in Ukraine, he told me on a robot how it would end, nobody believed me. And now they wonder how I knew everything?
You need to read everything, the essence is in the details and small details.

[CTEPX]

So now I know what to do in Russia

Quote: Vovka Levka

And now wonder how I knew all this?

Vovka!
Right now, I know what to do in Russia, so that the whole world is paid! (There are thousands of people like me, you know).
I translate:
as soon as the price of oil falls, we will devalue the ruble in proportion)).
And what, I became smarter from this?
By your logic - guess, but by our logic - change!)).

[Vovka levka]

Quote: ctepx

I translate:
as soon as the price of oil falls, we will devalue the ruble in proportion)).
And what, I became smarter from this?
By your logic - guess, but by our logic - change!)).

"It's simple and uninteresting.
A change? I don’t know, the main thing is not to break firewood, as the trend in this matter, however.

[CTEPX]

Quote: Vovka Levka

It is simple and uninteresting.

This is not interesting to you)).
And in the world for this, Julia sits and the war, the Third World War, is about to begin)).
You do not catch up, sir)).

[Vovka levka]

Quote: ctepx

Quote: Vovka Levka

It is simple and uninteresting.

This is not interesting to you)).
And in the world for this, Julia sits and the war, the Third World War, is about to begin)).
You do not catch up, sir)).

Julia sits at a percentage of the contract, the old man climbed in front. Yanek wants him to drip from him, and Julia squeezed, and Russia does not want to rewrite the contract. That is all politics.
Third world? Are you serious?

[CTEPX]

Quote: Vovka Levka

Julia sits at a percentage of the contract, the old man climbed in front. Yanek wants

As for the imprisonment of Julia and Janek, everything is correct)).
But Julia is sitting for having handed over Medvedev)). Putin, by the way)).
As for Russia ... What side is she here?
Are you only to blame for what I want to eat?)).
And the third world ...
You know, the date of the second world is defined by Wikipedia as 01.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX)).
And the Spanish "civil" war 36-39? And the Japanese-Chinese 37-45?
Until the 41st - five years.
Now Syria ...
Sound familiar?

[Vovka levka]

Quote: ctepx

As for Russia ... What side is she here?
Are you only to blame for what I want to eat?)).

Who signs a new contract, he receives a percentage, there is no new contract, no interest. And Russia is absolutely happy with everything, it doesn’t matter to anyone who to unfasten.

Quote: ctepx

And the third world ...
You know, the date of the second world is defined by Wikipedia as 01.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX)).
And the Spanish "civil" war 36-39? And the Japanese-Chinese 37-45?
Until the 41st - five years.
Now Syria ...
Sound familiar?

No, the comparison is not correct.

[CTEPX]

Quote: Vovka Levka

No, the comparison is not correct.

Your words, but to God’s ears)).
Only then, too, no one seriously took fascism, as the Great Caliphate is now.

[Vovka levka]

Quote: ctepx

Only then, too, no one seriously took fascism, as the Great Caliphate is now.

Fascism was programmed by the results of the First World War.
And the Great Caliphate? I don’t think Islam is very different.

[CTEPX]

The Great Caliphate is the idea of ​​Wahhabism)).
Nationalism - it is also very different)).
And the results of the Second World War, also asked something in the program?
Although, I believe that you can explain anything after the fact)).

[Gromoff]

No need to lie! Russophobia in the western regions of Ukraine goes through the roof, and under Yanukovych it became even greater than it was under Yushchenko! Paradox, but it's true!

[Vovka levka]

Quote: GromOFF

No need to lie! Russophobia in the western regions of Ukraine goes through the roof, and under Yanukovych it became even greater than it was under Yushchenko! Paradox, but it's true!

Do not be silly. I’ll tell you so that a lot of people in Russia and Ukraine believe that in Western Ukraine villages go with guns. Sometimes as you listen to these fables, you laugh to tears.
Do not live by the stereotypes that have been imposed on you, because then they are very expensive for everyone.

[alex13-61]

So no one seems to say that Russophobes walk with machine guns ... they just walk along the memory of Russophobes ... herds ...
But, to be serious, I often had to travel by bus "Chernivtsi-Sevastopol", on which one crew was Chernovetsk, the other was Crimean ... and so: a crew with a memory device in Russian was better not to ask for anything ...

[Vovka levka]

Quote: alex13-61

T: crew with memory in Russian was better not to ask for anything either ...

I don’t know, I often visit Chernivtsi and somehow I haven’t noticed any problems, although I won’t argue. People are different everywhere, this is also a fact.

[30143]

I support. They don’t know how to excite people. And the people already have immunity to all politicians. Russia so far loses in the struggle for Ukraine to the West. They thought that having crushed economically, Ukraine would crawl on its knees. But alas ... In pursuit of profit, Russian politicians and officials asked ... for Ukraine. In my opinion, the point of no return is passed.
And about the war - do not dream. During the Holodomor, no one took up arms. Yes, an army like that in Moldova is no longer there!

[washi]

he was and remains the most popular in many countries of the world, but what's the point?

[svp67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In Moldova, this will not work, as it is not strange, but the most popular politician in Moldova is Putin there, something around 70-80%, this was the other day

In Moldova this has already happened ... or you forgot that de jure is one country, but de facto now it is TWO countries ...

[piotr534]

In Moldova, this will not work, as it is not strange, but the most popular politician in Moldova is Putin there, something around 70-80%, this was the other day

In Moldova, this has already happened a long time ago. The Transnistrian republic is actually a separate state and this is significant, the Russians do not want to become either Moldovans or Romanians. And at the expense of Putin’s popularity, they simply respect him as a politician and lovingly look towards Romania and everything EU If not for the Transnistrian splinter in their ass, they would have been Romanians for a long time. This is just a fact.

[Nicholas C.]

"the fate of Ukraine will so depend on its division into the eastern part, annexed to Russia on the basis of the decision of the Pereyaslav Rada in 1654, and on its western part, included in the Commonwealth"

The author should know that in 1654 it was not Ukraine joined, reunited united Russian people of Great and Little Russia.

And somehow he famously credited Chernihiv, Poltava and Kiev region, who then waxed part of the Russian kingdom in the East, and the rest in the West of Ukraine. But what about the enormous New Russia native to the author, conquered from the Crimea by Catherine II? But what about Slobozhanshchina and part of the Region of the Don Army, not related to the Commonwealth, and before that to Lithuania, by no means? Careful and scrupulous.

In my humble opinion, East and West are Orthodoxy and Roman Uniatism, which served Hitler in the last war, primarily against Ukraine. The section is here somewhere.

[Ermolov]

THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE ... EAST AGAIN TO TAKE IN RUSSIA .. AND THE WESTERNS A KICK TO THE POLES ...

[Basilevs]

Is it not too bold for the little girls from such a gift?

[Dimani]

most likely Yermolov did not mean territory, but nationalists

[Warrawar]

Quote: Basilevs

Is it not too bold for the little girls from such a gift?

Just right - they will choke on this "gift"!

[dannen77]

this is a kind of "Trojan horse" in a couple of years they will be unhappy with everything there will be harassed to beat and offend them do not go children to NATO you go for a walk

[domokl]

Quote: YERMOLOV

THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE ... EAST AGAIN TO TAKE IN RUSSIA .. AND THE WESTERNS A KICK TO POLES ..

Judging by the fact that you are sitting on the Internet, and not at the shooting range, others will take ... And others will pour blood ... Such an interesting position ...

[svp67]

Quote: domokl

Judging by the fact that you are sitting on the Internet, and not at the shooting range, others will take ... And others will pour blood ... Such an interesting position ...

The main thing for us is not to physically get into this conflict, since we will become "extreme" for both. Help your supporters in various political, material and other "non-contact" ways - please, but directly - in no case, the opposite side should take this step ...

[domokl]

Quote: svp67

The main thing for us is not to physically get into this conflict, since we will become "extreme" for both

That's just the point ... And the calls are just going to this. Pick up, attach, turn on ...
Ukraine itself must either be born or die .. Here you can only help, but they are born and die on their own ...

[svp67]

Quote: domokl

but are born and die on their own ...

Sometimes, of course, this is assisted, but here the question is different, we are not Ukraine, we cannot remain indifferent to the fate of each other, there are a lot of us that bind us at all levels, but we cannot make and commit "sharp" movements ...

[domokl]

Quote: svp67

we are not Ukraine, we cannot remain indifferent to the fate of each other, there are so many things that bind us at all levels, but we cannot make and commit “sharp” movements ...

What are such sharp movements? The situation is such that Russia makes it worse with any movement ... We are now the very elephant in the china shop. We openly support someone enemies for half of Ukrainians, support another enemy for the other half (well,% 5 -10 does not count) The power option is the enemies of most Ukrainians .. Buy? How much can you feed the parasites? What is the action of Russia, which would not cause negative either in Russia or Ukraine ..

[svp67]

Quote: domokl

What is the action of Russia, which would not cause a negative either in Russia or in Ukraine ..

To make life in our country such for their citizens that others would envy ... Will such an option suit you?

[donchepano]

Quote: domokl

Judging by the fact that you are sitting on the Internet, and not at the shooting range, others will take ... And others will pour blood ... Such an interesting position ...

Obviously, international villains continue to pit a single people among themselves

[domokl]

Quote: donchepano

Obviously, international villains continue to pit a single people among themselves

But is it necessary for these very international villains? Ukraine is so used to living at someone else’s expense that it can’t stop now. Read the Ukrainian forums - nobody blames themselves, everyone blames the neighbors ... Who is Russia, who is the EU, who is the USA, but nobody is Ukraine .
The unity of peoples has long been in the past ... We, who still remember the USSR, are dying out, and the new generation has grown up in other countries. So we need to get used to thinking in other, non-Soviet categories. We live in different countries and in the future we are not expected to get closer and unification, and estrangement and neighborly living .. But what kind of neighborhood this will be is being decided now

[Muxalet]

But doesn't it seem strange to you that Putin earned 2012 times less than Obama in 2, our Yanukovych 4 times more than Obama?
Can legs grow from here? and the authorities just need to pit their people, so that under this guise it is possible to accumulate (steal from their own people) capital ..

[Skavron]

again ... pick up ... sedative drink))

[svp67]

Quote: Skavron

again ... pick up ... sedative drink))

Calm down, no one is going to take you anywhere. The main thing is for you to decide what you want and how to achieve it

[Skavron]

Quote: svp67

Calm down, no one is going to take you anywhere.

Yes, I’m calm, it’s vooooo that comrade was a comment ... to the picker, so to speak

[svp67]

Quote: Skavron

Yes, I’m calm, it’s vooooo that comrade was a comment ... to the picker, so to speak

You have enough of them, right there the main thing is to separate the "grain from the chaff"

[30143]

And you ask Uraintse-Russians from us whether we want to unite so that YOUR nouveau riches also profit and feed the bureaucracy. First, deal with your housing and communal services, eliminate barracks, gasify villages and villages, build individual heating units. The roads would also be nice to fix. And then Ukraine will see the advantages of Russia over the West.

[dannen77]

whose cow would mumble and yours would be silent I live in the Crimea I see everything from the inside

[dannen77]

not brothers they should do so

[Rink]

These events led to the fact that the once united people formed a different culture, traditions, mentality and ethnicity. Eastern Ukraine has become a powerful industrial center, the largest metallurgical complex in the whole country. Enterprises required a huge workforce and Russian workers from all over the Russian Empire, and then from the whole of the USSR, stretched to the east of Ukraine. Russian became the main language of communication, while Russian immigrants brought their traditions and culture to Ukraine.

Here is an example of the work of Ukrainian propaganda.
New Russia has never been Ukrainian, and the Russians here are not newcomers. Obviously, you need to bring again the same card that has already snapped up:



In addition, one should not forget how many tens of millions of Ukrainians live in Russia with their own traditions and culture! (Here, I wonder why they abandoned their "promised" Ridna nenka and went to the "hated oppressors and oppressors" - did they not think?)

Enough to oppose the previously united people!
It is necessary to save unity!
Ukraine is a brother wounded by the enemy on the battlefield. Enough for Russia and Belarus to stand aside and wait until he himself gets out from under the fire of the advancing enemy to his trenches. The Slavs do not abandon their own on the battlefield, "perish yourself, but help your comrade!" This has always been our strength.

Otherwise, these grant-eaters with the State Department will finish us off, and will take over the next one (Belarus, probably).

[elmi]

Quote: Skating rink

Here is an example of the work of Ukrainian propaganda.

And here is an example of Western propaganda, I emphasize not Ukrainian, but Western propaganda. It’s unfortunate that they weren’t crushed during the 2 World War.

[svp67]

Quote: Skating rink

The Slavs do not abandon their own on the battlefield,

And how to relate to such news, this is fresh.

Lviv Regional Council offers the Cabinet of Ministers to appeal to Russia with a request to compensate for losses caused by the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant 26 April 1986 year. This is stated in the appeal of the Lviv Regional Council to the Cabinet. 76 deputies voted for him with 59 necessary.
“27 years have passed since the terrible accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Ukraine will reap the bitter fruits of the atomic catastrophe for a long time, which left behind the earth scorched by radiation, poisoned water and air, ”the appeal said.
According to the regional council, the accident affected thousands of people who are now seriously ill.
About 38 thousand people injured as a result of the Chernobyl accident are registered in apartments. At the same time, the regional council notes that the Cabinet has insufficiently financed the payment of benefits for Chernobyl victims. In this regard, the regional council asks the Cabinet of Ministers to demand partial compensation from Russia for losses caused by the Chernobyl accident.

[Rink]

Quote: svp67

And how to relate to such news, this is fresh.

As well as to the programs of the radio station "Echo of Moscow" or the TV channel "Rain", or the march of white-tape hamsters on Bolotnaya.
It’s just that in Ukraine the penetration of foreign agents is much deeper than in Russia, and there is no Putin.

I’m saying that Ukraine is seriously injured. So much so that without the intervention of the surgeon will not survive.

[Kaa]

The average Ukrainian is provided with the issues of survival from year to year, i.e. earning money for the simplest things, food, which takes up a maximum of time and leaves it at a minimum for the analysis of tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Therefore, news is "swallowed" from 5-10 minutes of news on 1-2 channels. And they all either belong to the oligarchy, or grant suckers, or both at the same time and zombie in one direction - everyone will be happy in the EU, which prevents the Russian leadership from agreeing with the Ukrainian on the allocation of frequencies and propaganda, with the same grants for magazines, ideas of integration with I honestly don’t understand positive examples, comparisons from the life of Russia-Ukraine. And reconfiguring the brains is not a matter of one month and a year, but half of the population turned them in the other direction for 20 years and 2 years - as a result, 52% want to join the EU, working in Ukrainian, but with a German standard of living, and 42% still want to join the TS, but a couple of years more - and this number will decrease. Efforts are now needed to get a majority for the vehicle at least in a referendum, then with a scratch, but things will go. And if in Ukraine they know from TV screens much better what is happening in the West than in Russia, then we have such figures. And private channels - they don't care where they get their profits from, what they order, they broadcast. Can't Russia find little things to "feed" or outbid a couple of channels, large sites, FM channels? The game is worth the candle, Paris - masses, Ukraine - propaganda.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

Our government is probably of little interest in this! She is only in words much and is not responsible for the words !!!

[Nevsky]

And this is serious ... UPA march in Krivoy Rog ... Closer to the East of Ukraine ... I wrote about this before:

[Aeneas]

Grandfather is clearly a Bandera zapadentets. They were released in the camps after 25 years, and the most violent were forbidden to return to Galicia. But they were drawn to Ukraine, even Eastern, settled there.

[RU_PATRIOT]

Yes, the idea of ​​the Russian world is losing its relevance in Ukraine. And the Russian language does not interfere with being Ukrainian nationalists. This video demonstrates the joint march of "embroidered shirts" from Kiev and Lvov.



Moreover, in the Donbass it is also becoming more and more spread.

Ukrainian nationalism in Donbass. Football fans
“Tell me what can be criminal in patriotism if we shout“ Glory to Ukraine! ”, And fans from another sector answer us“ Glory to the heroes! ”And what can you tell us to shout“ Glory to the KPSS! ”Or“ Glory to the Party of Regions! ” - quoted by the publication of anonymous ultras.
http://bmkrliman.hmarka.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=135:ukr
ainscienacionfutbol & catid = 37: arttemkat & Itemid = 18

[CTEPX]

Why advertise these "deceived"?
All this party cost a thing bucks)).

[alex13-61]

First, a federation ... and no blood ...

[WW3]

Quote: alex13-61

First, a federation ... and no blood

Hm. What is the principle of the federation in Ukraine? Well, Crimea is understandable, is there the status of an autonomous ARC, what else is the Donbass ?, so the problem is that Donetsk now rule and so why should they reduce their influence.
What other options, nationalities prevailing Russia and Ukrainians other minorities do not prevail in certain territories, well, except that in Transcarpathia there are separate villages.
An attempt once was when the Donetsk fell into opposition, but it did not lead to anything, so the unitary state remained.

[coast]

if this continues to continue as such, Ukraine will not be and the question is 2–3 years

[Angolaforever]

It is very strange that the Anglo-Saxons have invested and are still investing money in the orange revolutions in Ukraine and in the "opposition", while Russia cannot conduct an information and propaganda campaign and bring its candidate to the presidency of Ukraine. Is it really impossible to carry out such a large-scale operation in a couple of years and finally close the question? And the fraternal peoples will be well and the leaders.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: angolaforever

It is very strange that the Anglo-Saxons have invested and are still investing money in the orange revolutions in Ukraine and in the "opposition", while Russia cannot conduct an information and propaganda campaign and bring its candidate to the presidency of Ukraine.

I tell you a secret: Russia, too, cannot hold elections at home. And the people's president is generally fantastic.

[vladimirZ]

In fact, in one state, Ukraine artificially united two different peoples, with two different languages, culture, history, and traditions.
Therefore, one part of the country assimilated by the Poles, and other Austro-Hungarians, seeks to the West, the other to the East to their half-brothers Russ.
A way out of this situation is inevitable - the split of the state of Ukraine in two with the gravitation of one part to the West, the other to the East - Russia and Belarus. The eastern part will flourish in alliance with its brothers, the Western part will be the eternal bone of contention between Poland, Hungary and others, and, accordingly, the eternally vegetating outskirts of the West.

[Oleg]

Do not listen to these scribblers, Ukraine is now united as never before ...

[Genady1976]

It is necessary to take the whole of Ukraine and the point and not just the Crimea.
Germany has united and it is time for our people to unite.

[dark_65]

And the people themselves are innocent of their troubles? Where did the natives come from?

[Canep]

In vain minus dark_65 are question marks, but of course the politicians and oligarchs are to blame. And the native in power is mainly from the ITK (from the zone, and not from Chernobyl).

[Tatarus]

The people are to blame for allowing pid - am to make pid --- owls out of him (the people). And no matter how Ukrainians shout here, we will come only if you call. But do not bear it. maybe you will like it.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Tatarus

But do not bear it. maybe you will like it.

You liked it. You would not have spread your homosexual drooling here. This is a military patriotic site.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Tatarus

The people are to blame for allowing pid - am to make pid --- owls out of him (the people). And no matter how Ukrainians shout here, we will come only if you call. But do not bear it. maybe you will like it.

Here is the paradox. My answer was deleted: No way to offend! Nizzya Tat-anus in his comment, resorting to an insult to the whole of Ukraine, point to his bit. Domocles issued a warning. Domocles, you open your eyes and read the comment I answered. And then write me something for the rules of this site. Or maybe the Tatanus decided to hold a gay parade here? So I am against !!!

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Tatarus

The people are to blame for allowing pid - am to make pid --- owls out of him (the people). And no matter how Ukrainians shout here, we will come only if you call. But do not bear it. maybe you will like it.

Yeah. Again deleted my answer to this pi-ru. Selective censorship, however. Doesn’t really paint you. Like to show your wits and righteousness with a dumb interlocutor, Domocles?
Tat anus wit is not about you, you have osloumiya.

[Tatarus]

Well, I’ve been looking for you. Thank you for getting out. I am not against the Ukrainian people, I am against what the Ukrainian authorities are doing to them. And you seem to be out of this power and creep out. They themselves showed and punished. Yes you are a genius.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Tatarus

Well, I’ve been looking for you. Thank you for getting out. I am not against the Ukrainian people, I am against what the Ukrainian authorities are doing to them. And you seem to be out of this power and creep out. They themselves showed and punished. Yes you are a genius

Well this is what the hell you have to do to immediately offend the WHOLE Ukrainian people, and then write that I am not against it. Everything is clear with you balobol. You would be crowing on another site.
It is not clear another. As this is a comment where people abusively offend no one has deleted. And my answer scum so removed twice. And a warning was issued. Question: what is the meaning of permanent anti-Ukrainian articles? Do they achieve their goal? If the goal is to scold the Russians with the Ukrainians, then yes. Then it’s logical to support people like this villain. Where is this way?

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

Tatarus, and who is in power in our country? And how do we go if the liquidationists are in power?

[Tatarus]

Unfortunately similar

[WW3]

Quote: dark_65

where did the natives come from?

"He came from the people as they say his guy ..." , there was such a song, so as soon as a representative of the people becomes power, he becomes, as Lenin wrote, ".... how terribly far they are from the people."

[djon3volta]

And while the parties are fighting for power, the common people think

this is what multiparty system leads to. this is one of the requirements of our hamsters-bulkers. In the 90s I remember which parties there weren’t, even the party of BEER LOVERS in the Duma sat

[Septugian]

Lead, they have already led to the fact that in some areas of Ukraine, the Russian is better not to appear, because on May 9 they threw a bus with veterans, burned flags, ribbons and yelled that damn! But not all of Ukraine is affected by this infection, and it pleases! We one people, and this is the main goal of the enemies to drive a wedge between us and quarrel! But let them smoke moss and go to hell, they can’t defeat family ties, and there are various renegades, so there were always enough of them, the family has its black sheep! unity is our strength Slavs!

[Skavron]

Quote: Septugian

that in some areas of Ukraine, the Russian is better not to appear

in which it is interesting?
here I go everywhere ... I speak Russian ... while something is still alive)

[The cat]

Quote: Septugian

, they have already led to the fact that in some areas of Ukraine, the Russian is better not to appear

In some depressed areas of Donbass, it is better not to appear at all, regardless of nationality.

[Skavron]

Fearfully? )))))))))

[Septugian]

I don’t! I have a lot of relatives in Ukraine! And I write about western Ukraine, where the Upavians rule the ball!

[Skavron]

Quote: Septugian

And I write about Western Ukraine, where the Upavians rule the ball!

And it’s normal to appear there

[darya]

And in Grozny or in Nazran, can a Russian settle with his family? You can not answer.

[Egoza]

Quote: Skavron

here I go everywhere ... I speak Russian ... while something is still alive)

With visitors who are "temporary" or with tourists, with resort visitors will be VERY polite. Because they earn money from them. But for those who live there all the time ... you can't really talk.

[Skavron]

Well, I speak Russian and Ukrainian, with my partners from Lviv and Zhytomyr we communicate in two languages) With Kamyanets-Podilsky, mainly in Russian. And not only for work ... but also to drink beer. Girlfriend (online met) from Ivano-Frankivsk - only communicate in Russian)))

[ars_pro]

Everything is right, in the west, I have a grandmother from there, so they bought these upavs and their ilk like a bone in the throat, and the pro-Western power bought is also there, and you don’t need to row a lot of sane people on the west and I’m sure a lot more than Natsik, the question is that Natsik is at the helm and the corrupt power is what everyone suffers.
And let the political steps of Russia for Ukraine itself and its citizens be in the key of integration, at least let them give a hint to people in Ukraine because ordinary people, if not Natsik, are no longer needed for the Ukrainian authorities, so 2 thousand schools will close news that are not comforting at all

[shark]

Here in the second paragraph the whole point of the problem. Russia should at least give a hint that it does not want to rob and help. Although it is very doubtful under the current government

[30143]

Pіdtrimuyu.

[Technocrat]

Well, as it is known to bad dancers, something constantly interferes.
Unlike many local "Internet writers", I am in Ukraine quite often, I know about the attitude towards Russians not by hearsay. I will give only one piece of advice - behave like people and the attitude will be appropriate. Both in the Crimea and in the west of Ukraine. And there is everywhere, both here and in Ukraine.

[WW3]

Quote: Technocrat

Unlike many local "Internet writers", I visit Ukraine quite often

You can feel it, they managed to get infected with Ukrainian. "В"Ukraine, in Russian after all on Ukraine.

[Technocrat]

Dear, do not you teach me the Russian language.
Be consistent even in your ... heat and write in Belarus, in Kazakhstan, in Azerbaijan. Well, if you show your stupidity so full. ProHvesory of Russian literature ....

[WW3]

Quote: Technocrat

Be consistent even in your ... heat and write in Belarus, in Kazakhstan, in Azerbaijan.

The answer is clear yet-one Svidomo Ukrainian.

[Technocrat]

My parents taught me not to be offended by the sick

[Mhpv]

Good afternoon Skavron!
Remember as in the joke: "uh, my friend, don't you confuse tourism with emigration"
Well, you can write as much as you like on this topic, and here in the comments there will be heated debate and nothing more.
Indeed, many have long understood that Ukraine will not enter anywhere in the near future, do not join until it resolves all its internal problems and disagreements.
Firstly, the presidential election and the loss of power for the death of the PR are similar. They, PR and Yanukovych, drove themselves into the corner of the ring with their own wagging in international politics and flirting with their people.
Western Ukraine simply doesn’t let go of Eastern Ukraine; otherwise, Ukraine is rightly noticed here, it disappears as a state.
The separation of Western Ukraine is also not profitable for Russia, it is practically expanding at least the influence of Poland and its proximity to the borders of Russia.
Kaa accurately explained that people are less and less busy with the country's political life and more and more of their own.
So this whole situation will either explode like ripe chiri or under the influence of competent treatment will come to naught.
Well, maybe many will consider this point of view incorrect, but Russia still withdrew and took a wait-and-see attitude in Ukraine, and already in the Donbass pro-Russian sentiments are gradually disappearing.
In general, as they say, we'll see

[Septugian]

Western Ukraine!

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Septugian

led to the fact that in some areas of Ukraine, the Russian is better not to appear

Isn't it hard for you to repeat someone else's nonsense? Would you rather think whether Russian can freely appear in all regions of Russia? And whose policies led to this?

[Septugian]

It’s not difficult, because I know! In Russia, there are also such places, but the topic is about Ukraine!

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Septugian

Not hard because I know

Maybe you see the picture that the media wants to show you? Or is it so cautious in life? There are people who are afraid to go out or into the staircase.

Quote: Septugian

Russia also has such places, but the topic is about Ukraine!

And who started this speech? And why are you taking part in it? If you haven’t put things in order yet. Analogy: a grandmother sits in a hut on a pile of garbage and discusses the neighbors for what she was told! That they seem not to have been swept up.

[Septugian]

I visit Ukraine every year, my relatives live there, so I don’t know everything from the media!

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Septugian

I visit Ukraine every year, my relatives live there, so I don’t know everything from the media!

Especially. Why are you spoiling your relatives? Why in the near future to exaggerate the paint? Try to think one step further. What can your words bring? (Even if you sincerely consider them to be true, but this is not so) The Russian anger towards the Ukrainians and vice versa. What if a conflict? It’s all heroes and patriots sitting at the computer, and they’ll knock them out in the field at half the snot. This is not to the fact that there are no Warriors in Russia (they are both in Ukraine and Russia), but to the fact that they are not among the public calling for aggression.

[darya]

What is good in Ukraine is the complete absence of khachiks in markets and stalls. And the best part is the janitors, builders, etc. we are not Tajiks.

[shark]

This is your advantage. Do not waste it. I sincerely wish

[ultra]

Quote: darya

so this is a complete lack of khachiks in markets and stalls. And the best part is the janitors, builders, etc. we are not Tajiks.

They where there is more money!

[30143]

I beg you, do not learn to live, help financially!

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

The division of UKRAINE into two camps is an inevitable process. Too much controversy between the east and west of UKRAINE is a matter of time.
Conductors of this process naturally sit in WASHINGTON and BERLIN, it is they who are strongly interested in BREAKING UKRAINE from the influence of RUSSIA.
Armed conflict with UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS IS VERY EVEN POSSIBLE-given their aggressiveness.

[domokl]

Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI

Armed conflict with UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS IS VERY EVEN POSSIBLE-given their aggressiveness.

I wonder in whose territory? In Ukrainian or Russian? Why talk nonsense?

[Lech from ZATULINKI]

Talk nonsense - I would also like to be so naive.

[crocodile25]

Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI

Talk nonsense - I would also like to be so naive.

I completely agree with you, especially since the clashes have already been in Chechnya and Georgia !!

[pensioner]

"Georgia was defeated by its more powerful neighbor"

I do not agree. Why is it suddenly measured with them power? Where is Russia and where are they. It was enough to say from Russia and everything is clear.

[ATATA]

What can lead Russophobic mood in Ukraine

Yes, to what it leads to.
With criminal inaction and connivance of the Russian authorities in Ukraine, an anti-Russian society is being formed.
It is not enough for us alone Poland and others like them, even from Ukraine they decided to make a new Poland.
The power of Russia is acting criminally, and the authorities of Ukraine are their Ukrainian Dzhokhar Dudaev, who is getting away with it.

[queen]

Quote: ATATA

Russian authorities behave criminally

And moreover, "our" rulers lisp with them as with a baby. But all this is purely at the level of money. It is necessary to start with Sevastopol, then a chain reaction.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: regin

It is necessary to start from Sevastopol, then a chain reaction.

Begin with yourself! Stop drinking and after a year in your head become clear.

[queen]

Quote: gladiatorakz

Begin with yourself

This is not your land, and never will be. Freebies do not wait.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: regin

This is not your land, and never will be. Freebies do not wait.

Yes, I never expect. The land where I live and my family lives - my homeland. But such Internet "warriors" who shout about some kind of branches and take-away are enemies. And Ukraine and Russia. I can indulge in understanding that you were not taught to think. And the media take advantage of this.

[queen]

Quote: gladiatorakz

who are screaming about some branches and pickups

Excuse me, what’s yours there? Or do you have what you created and it is flourishing? I won’t go to the conflict with you, I’m offended by you, I’m Moskvich, but also Tambovsky, I’m gouging for Russian land. Your Crimea, never.

[porevith]

still say what’s yours, Well, come and take it or you’re like a mongrel, just bark and don’t bite ???? And what a freebie ???? What are you talking about ???

[Gecko]

Do not be rude, not at home.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: gecko

Do not be rude, not at home.

If this is for me, then I simply state the facts. And I'm at home.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

In RUSSIA they are now drinking an order of magnitude less than under the Soviets, but they live better, but worse than we would like !!!

[darya]

You know, it would be better if the authorities sorted it out with Dagestan, otherwise the news from there is too similar to the Syrian ones.

[Rink]

Quote: ATATA

With criminal inaction and connivance of the Russian authorities in Ukraine, an anti-Russian society is being formed.

A little bit wrong.
Not with "connivance", but "with the assistance of state structures" in which the State Department's moles sit.

[ATATA]

Quote: Skating rink

A little bit wrong.
Not with "connivance", but "with the assistance of state structures" in which the State Department's moles sit.

Yes, you are right that way.

[UFO]

The moment of truth must come! And then they got used to thinking: if Ukrainian means "brother", but how many "brothers" are there really ???

[queen]

Quote: UFO

if Ukrainian means "brother", but how many "brothers" are there really ??

Many of the brothers who lived in Ukraine are already in Russia, since they have nothing to catch there, so the screams of their fascists are devils left over from their trough. They work out a handout of the West in the amount of 20 Baku. I want to eat.

[redwar6]

Good morning to everyone, if it is still such.
It is very painful to read this. Very. With the sum of the news about the blackening of the feat of Soviet soldiers in BB2 it is more than sad. I can’t write more, my hand does not rise.

[Kolya]

Why sculpt something that does not mold? What is one Ukrainian people? Even the language of Eastern Ukraine has more similarities with Russian than with Western Ukrainian! Why let people hostage the population in eastern Ukraine? There is genocide happening now!

[Skavron]

Quote: Kohl

There is genocide happening now!

ahahaha ... you do not smoke any rubbish anymore)

[ATATA]

Quote: Kohl

Why sculpt something that does not mold? What is one Ukrainian people? Even the language of Eastern Ukraine has more similarities with Russian than with Western Ukrainian! Why let people hostage the population in eastern Ukraine? There is genocide happening now!

Golden words!
But I will answer why. For the same reason for which the criminals divide the territory, so that other tributes from their part would not interfere with collecting tributes.
They hold us all for suckers and season their scam with sweet ears about democracy and freedom!

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Kohl

Why let people hostage the population in eastern Ukraine? There is genocide happening now!

Kohl on your profile picture brains hidden in a box? Judging by the set of letters in your comment, this is your life credo.

[fenix57]

People are suffering Yanukovych and Azarov "think", they will wait until God forbid a civil war will begin ... Here the Anglo-Saxons will rejoice ... After all, the split of the single state of the Slavs is their dream, their goal.
Bilderberg goals

The main goal of the group is the creation of a "Single World Government (global corporation) with one global market, the security of which will be ensured by the global world army, and financial regulation of one (world) Central Bank using a single world currency." Their “wish list” includes:

- “a single international identity with a commitment to universal values”;

- centralized control over the world community with the help of "control of the brain", in other words, with the help of control over the world public opinion;

- The New World Order without any middle class, only “rulers and servants”, and of course, no democracy;

- “zero population growth”, no prosperity and progress, only ever-increasing power and influence for rulers;

- crises of production and endless wars;

- absolute control over education in order to program public consciousness and distribution into pre-assigned roles;

- “centralization of control over domestic and foreign policy”, all under one standard;

- use of the UN as a de facto world government taxing “citizens of the world”;

- the expansion of globalization of the CCST (North American Free Trade Agreement) and the WTO;

- promotion of NATO as a world armed forces;

- the introduction of a universal legal system and

- global "prosperous state, where humble slaves will be claimed, and non-conformists will be destroyed."
It's time for Ukraine in the vehicle and not as an "observer", but as a partner!

[Good man]

100500 article about the same and in the same place. No new ideas, no new facts. Only this author writes a dozen or two such articles in a year.
PS The author is enough to write about two of Ukraine at least three of them. And central Ukraine is even more western. Correct your template and stop turning around !!

[kosmos84]

look 500 from the truth about Ukraine (like on the forum was)

[djon3volta]

Recently I watched a TV report on LAZ plant, as soon as Russian capital and a manager came there, everything began to get better, but the local city administration lost their senses, they say Russian in Lviv? and began to put sticks in the wheels.
http://www.laz.ua/ru/about/upr_komp/

According to UNIAN, on March 12, the chairman of the supervisory board of City Transport Group, which is the LAZ management company, Igor Churkin accused Lviv city authorities of not wanting to pay off debts to the company in the amount of UAH 25 million for 30 buses delivered to the city by Euro- 2012.
Read more here: http://www.unian.net/news/565468-laz-naotrez-otkazyivaetsya-remontirovat-svoi-av
tobusyi-dlya-lvova.html

[Opera]

The trouble is the absence of a single organization, a party defending the interests of the east and south of Ukraine! What does the CPU do not know! I do not see!

[Skavron]

Simonenko, it’s time to retire for a long time ... there will be something to do with a young wife.
A CPU needs rebrading ... at least ... otherwise they already cause heartburn in me.

[Egoza]

Quote: Oper

What does the CPU do not know! I do not see!

The Communist Party of Ukraine in Rada is trying to block those laws that are harmful to all residents. On the ground there are Aleksandrovskaya (Kharkov), Tsarkov (Odessa) and others. But the reputation of the Communist Party of Ukraine Kravchuk is too tarnished.

[Good man]

Quote: Egoza

But the reputation of the Communist Party of Ukraine Kravchuk is too tarnished.

Have you seen Simonenko’s palace near Kiev?

[WW3]

Quote: Egoza

But the reputation of the Communist Party of Ukraine Kravchuk is too tarnished

A leading position in the days of the USSR, all the more so since Kravchuk could not be occupied without being a member of the CPSU, a person who changed his worldview is an opportunist. Kravchuk also participated in the collapse of the USSR, so everything is clear with him.

[Skavron]

Damn ... how did he get Boval with his nagging.
Where did he see so much Russophobia? On TV? Or online? It is ... yes ... it is. There is Russophobia in Ukraine and this cannot be argued. There are Russophobes in Kiev, and in the Dnieper, and in Lugansk and ... even in Sevastopol there is (recently cursed with one in LiveJournal, until he banned me) But is it all so scary as the author draws? At the memory they are quite loyal to Russians and Russian speakers. Personally checked.
But the fact that these people are actively using the media space, and thereby create the appearance of total Russophobia in Ukraine. Somehow, none of the forum users-commentators think about this. This is sad.
And 10% of Tyagnibok in the elections is not nationalism in Ukraine. This is a spit at the current government and personally YUVT, Yatsenyuk and other "former" ... this is "to evil the conductor, I will go on foot", this is the absence of real patriotic leaders in Ukraine.
And this, of course, is sad ...

[Conepatus]

10prots.for Tyagnibok is our people so joked.
Once in Russia, Zhirinovsky’s party also won the election. The West is in shock. How could this happen? Misha Zadornov reassured. He says that it’s okay, people joked with us like that. He joked with us too.

[seafarer]

On TV there is not a single Ukrainian channelthat would not exude the poison of Ukrainian nationalism.

[Skavron]

Quote: seafarer

There is no Ukrainian channel on TV

TV is a show! TV is ratings. Plebs does not like boredom, give them the hysterical Farion, give them "passion for Tymoshenko", give them the research of modern Ukrainian "historians" ... this is a shit, and where there is shit - there are always ratings.
Please note ... in nationalist articles on VO - solid srach and comments go off scale.
The more comments, the higher the rating, the higher the rating, the more views, the more views, the more you can get off the advertiser ... is the chain clear?

[Conepatus]

Who holds TV channels around the world?
During the first Chechen company, weren't Russian TV channels crap on your army?
This is a worldwide conspiracy !!!!!!

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

Gold words!!! And our common goal is to fight against the liquidationists everywhere in Ukraine and in RUSSIA !!!

[imrek_ua]

Moreover, these 10% are from the number of voters. And 58% voted. That is, in fact, 5,8%.

[Mefodiy]

Quote: Skavron

And 10% of Tyagnibok in the elections is not nationalism in Ukraine. This is a spit at the current government and personally YUVT, Yatsenyuk and other "former" ... this is "to evil the conductor, I will go on foot", this is the absence of real patriotic leaders in Ukraine.
And this, of course, is sad ...

THAT'S FOR SURE!

[Vld]

Good day forum users. I want to share my opinion on this article. I myself live in Mariupol (Donetsk region, eastern Ukraine). I’ve been reading this site for a long time, it’s very interesting to read articles about Ukraine and it just surprises me how much incorrectly shows in our media what is happening with us. I’ll open your eyes to you, I’m an adult, I have many friends, including those from western Ukraine, but no one is hostile to anyone, they treat Russians only positively (you can also have a drink together), but who told you that Russians hate what kind of nonsense is written on your forum. I won’t lie, but most of my friends would like to live better, so I think that the EU is better than the TS, I repeat once again I grew up and live in Mariupol (this is the east of Ukraine, the largest industrial center).
It would be better if your media wrote about the advantages of the TS, advertised those opportunities that might appear, rather than scum Ukraine, and you would see those who would support the TS.
Yes, and I do not support our nationalists such as Freedom, but I also do not vote for the regionals. By the way, how strange it will sound, but Yanukovych is also not particularly favored by us, during his reign it did not become better to live.
For a long time I did not want to register on the forum, I did not want to be much minus))). But now it’s just become interesting to see how many people adequately perceive the situation on the forum.
And my personal opinion is that if Russia refuses to cooperate in most areas of industry, it will do it herself sideways - most of the goods produced in Ukraine can be replaced, but it’s hard to establish connections again (using the same gas as an example).
Well, in conclusion, from myself I’ll add, read less of such nonsense that is written in this article. And for those who think differently, then let them read our media, this is also useful)))

[Skavron]

My friend, let my "+" be the first !!!
Good, fair and correct comment.

[Egoza]

Quote: Vld

but who told you that Russians hate

It’s good that you have such good friends. But I personally saw how the girl was stabbed in the back in the evening in Lviv. And only because she spoke Russian.

Quote: Vld

It would be better if your media wrote about the benefits of the TS,

Yes, they already talk so much about them, but you also need to hear, and not dream of Europe.

Quote: Vld

Yanukovych is also not particularly favored by us

They do not favor Yanukovych precisely because he did not fulfill the main thing, what he was chosen for - for the Russian language and for moving towards an alliance with Russia. And he even began to live better. But he did not promise that YOU will become better off.

Quote: Vld

And for those who think differently, then let them read our media, this is also useful)))

Aha! And especially comments to articles! On the sites "Segodnya", "Polemika", "Versii", 2000, for example, about the rallies, which in the opinion of the "oppa" collect 8-10 thousand, and according to the police, exactly 10 times less.
"will have to lepa (Tyagnibok) of its 6 million Galicians, ready as one to stand under arms, to divide into two. From the east, Russia distributes kicks, from the west, horses are saddled. And the Belarusians may suddenly wake up and remember Khatyn - so from the north a threat has appeared Where to go to the poor banderlog? In the Carpathians, the forest has been cut down and you will not hide properly. Only in the ground)))))))) Damn, shovels will probably rise in price. Who has a batch of shovels?

[Good man]

Quote: Egoza

It’s good that you have such good friends. But I personally saw how the girl was stabbed in the back in the evening in Lviv. And only because she spoke Russian.

. There, a third of the city are Russian-speaking tourists from the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Go incite ethnic hatred with these crazy tales to kindergarten.

[Egoza]

Quote: Good man

There, a third of the city are Russian-speaking tourists from the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

That's it! TOURISTS! From which money is taken. Because they suffer. And what was in front of my eyes was what it was.

[Mefodiy]

Quote: Egoza

And what was in front of my eyes was what it was.

When it was? When did you personally see? In 1944? Walk through the center of Lviv - approx. 30% -50% Russian or surzhik.
By the way, when after demobilization I maintained close contacts with my friends in the service and they came to visit me (from Donbas, Siberia, Rostov, the Urals) and we, walking, walked at night, on foot through Lviv - the guys were sincerely surprised "how you can safely walk in Lviv at night, unlike our cities "

[Technocrat]

"[i] It's good that you have such good friends. But I personally saw how a girl was stabbed in the back in the evening in Lviv. And only because she spoke Russian."
I have no words .... just no words. Literally in February I was in Lviv, a working meeting with our partners was in RUSSIAN !!!. Half of Lviv speaks Russian. Dear if you have problems with your head?! Or are you farther than your fly ... don't you leave?

[baltika-18]

Quote: Vld

Vld

Quote: Egoza

Egoza

Vladimir and Lena, plus you. For both of them are right.
While the current system of integration in Russia exists is extremely difficult, it is not beneficial for the oligarchy. If we change the system in Russia, then reunification will come very quickly in this I am more than sure.

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Vld

if Russia refuses to cooperate in most areas of industry, it will do it herself sideways - most of the goods produced in Ukraine can be replaced, but it’s hard to establish connections again (using the same gas as an example).

Why will Russia be worse? If Russia makes import substitution for Ukrainian goods, it will only be better, because taxes will remain in the country.

Why is relations with Ukraine more important for Russia than relations with Russia for Ukraine?

And where does the example with gas have to do with it, Russia until 2008.08.08 tried to come to an agreement (16 years - not enough?), After which it decided to build bypass flows.

From Ukraine it constantly sounds that Russia needs it so much that Russia must pay an exorbitant price for this. Guys, they speak to you as equals and be equal. Brothers, after all, are equal.

And your rulers are trying to understand clearly who, not brothers, and then you will be offended.

[Nazrug]

Specifically, this article was a Ukrainian author, so that’s not the topic.

[Egoza]

Quote: Vld

but most of my friends would like to live better, so I think that the EU option is better than the TS,

Can you specifically? Why do they think so? Well, first of all, no one offers membership in the EU, but only "association". So be it. And how will this association benefit you and your friends personally? How will you earn with the association? And what EU membership has brought Hungary, Cyprus, Greece, etc. and no need to tell. It just somehow turns out that everyone knows about their troubles, but no one connects it with EU membership. And here for us ... there will be rivers of milk and jelly banks!

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

Guys from Ukraine, go to the Baltic states and compare how they lived under the Soviets and how they now live in the EU. See the general alignment! And then draw conclusions! In general, there is a saying: Always thicker in the wrong hands! And it's good where we are not! But the most faithful "Where I was born, there I came in handy" This is a folk wisdom, proven for centuries !!! And we were together for 400 years, and the Jewish Zionists separated us with their promises !!! , we are from the same KIND, only from different villages, is it really so zhidosionists .. or brains that YOU are a PEOPLE, have forgotten about it !!!

[Technocrat]

Dear, you wrote everything great, but the specifics of ours (so to speak Russian society) that we can live only surrounded by enemies and nothing else. Then the people pay less attention to internal problems and are more concerned about who else to "dunk in the outhouse." This site will not write about our pensioners who count pennies, or about the homeless of which we have a lot, or that there is no one to work in factories.

[Skavron]

Quote: Technocrat

On this site they will not write about our pensioners who consider pennies, or about the homeless who have a breakthrough, or that there is no one to work in factories.

I asked ... they say that pensions are high, work in bulk, sn are good ... I don’t know about homeless people, but they all complain about migrant workers.
I don’t even know what to believe ...

[Mhpv]

Here is my friend news for your question.
Moscow ambulances dismissed for migrants RBC RBC
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Plot: Borders of friendship: migrants in the open spaces of the former homeland

A scandal erupts at the Puchkov ambulance station in the capital: about 300 orderlies have received notice of the upcoming dismissal. They are going to be replaced by workers of the cleaning company, most of whom have come to Moscow from Central Asia, the newspaper Izvestia writes.

In addition, migrants will be paid more than current staff. A source in the ambulance said that now nurses receive 14,3 thousand rubles. per month, and if with a length of service - a maximum of 16 thousand rubles. Meanwhile, contracts with migrants are concluded at 17 thousand rubles. per month.

The new staffing table will come into force on August 5 2013. Workers were informed that there were no alternative vacancies for them and were not expected. They must deal with the problem of employment on their own.

As the publication found out, the dismissal of nurses is just the tip of the iceberg of ambulance problems. One of the station's employees said that now there is a massive exodus of paramedics and doctors: people are quitting "because of low salaries and unbearable working conditions."

Recall that earlier this month, Russian Minister of Health Veronika Skvortsova announced that approximately 90 thousand mid-level specialists leave the healthcare sector annually. At the same time, only 15 thousand people retire, the rest just quit, incl. due to dissatisfaction with wages and working conditions.

Read full article: http://top.rbc.ru/society/29/04/2013/856039.shtml

[shark]

I confirm who wants to work, doesn’t get drunk, doesn’t sit waiting for handouts from the state - they feel quite fine. It’s easy to earn money, it would be a desire and education. This is a fact. The age of office trash goes away. Therefore, they raise a squeal. But they don’t ahti. In Moscow, where the city surcharges are still nothing, but in Russia as a whole, beggarly pension I must say. And also the Gaster. In my opinion, the main trouble of Russia is the Central Asian migrants

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

At the moment I agree with you, we need a law on the priority of hiring local, not local! And the sanctions for the employer, right up to the criminal one, are not a fine from the beginning, and then physical forced labor at his own enterprise, under the supervision of his own workers! Maybe we’ll put things in order !!!

[Technocrat]

In order not to be known, I will describe the situation in Samara. For example. The neighbor on the landing has a pension of about 3500 rubles. The rent is -2000-2500. Food prices are higher than your Kiev (potatoes 18-24 r). Travel by minibus 18 p. Divide by 4 and get the amount in hryvnias. The maximum pension for a hard worker barely reaches 10 thousand.
A simple worker has a salary by your standards and a normal salary of -25-30 thousand, but ... the prices are all for Moscow. In the outback, the situation is even worse. But this is again a very big secret. So there is nothing special to envy us ....

[washi]

Why do we need external enemies? we have enough of our own. Here, for example, a technocrat. Trying to talk about high. No need to reason. Take an example from the Soviet Timurovites. Help the veteran, retiree SAM. You look and see you.

[Technocrat]

I wonder how I can help? !!! Give your salary, can you show an example?

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

The wedge is driven by all the same, liquidationists, wherever you look, their ears and their puppets stick out everywhere, they took them before us, we tried in 17g with the hands of Trotsky, but it didn’t work out! Stalin began to grunt them but before the end did not have time, these ki poisoned him !!! We are all, and you and we, under the occupation! So from the government it is necessary to drive the liquidationists, we have Mendel’s butler Chubais, and you yourself know who !!!

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

Obstacles are set by the Zionismists! They are in the power of both you and us! They must be driven outside through the COURT !!!

[omsbon]

Russia must, is simply obliged to conduct an active pro-Russian propaganda in Ukraine and not spare any effort or money on it!
I don’t doubt that I’ll have to deal with Bandera miscarriages, the last-born ones, but I’m sure that by common efforts we will drive them back to the caches, where we will bury them!

[Prapor Afonya]

Quote: baltika-18

Quote: domokl

Ukraine will be torn not into two, but into three parts ... Crimea will also become independent, most likely Tatar ..

As for the Tatar Crimea, why are you grabbing.
Crimean population:
Russians-1 million 180 thousand
Ukrainians-492tys.
Tatars-243tys.
"The Crimea peninsula will become Russian again."

I am for it

[omsbon]

I am also FOR.
Please note that there are clearly not two of us, but much more!

[Aeneas]

I do not see the difference between Ukrainians (residents of Ukraine), they are the same everywhere (South-East, Center), the Westerners are somewhat original, the most Galicians, and not, for example, the Volynians who are the same Ukrainians as in the Center. In the countryside of Novorossiya, Ukrainians are the same as in the Chernihiv or Poltava regions. so there are no prerequisites for the division of Ukraine along the Dnieper, it is in the heads of futurists-political scientists. Of course, Crimea, Odessa, Donetsk and eastern industrial towns (not regions) stand somewhat apart. There is an international population, active and with its own personal character, of course, different from the "Westerners". The idea of ​​joining Russia or forming a separate autonomy is present among a significant part of the Sevastopol residents (a significant part does not want to) and a small number of Russian imperials in Donetsk and Odessa. The confessional factor has no global significance. The Shidnyaks are atheists who suddenly became Orthodox and visit churches only on Easter, to consecrate eggs and Cahors. The Westerners, yes, they are religious from young to old, but there are a lot of Orthodox parishes of the UOC-MP (Moscow Patriarchate) even in the same Volyn region - the region that gave birth to the UPA. In general, the Westerners prevail among the hierarchs of the UOC-MP, because under the Soviets they did not dare to destroy churches, and many chose the career of a priest - this was considered the norm. The Primate of the UOC-MP, Myropolitan Volodymyr - Volynians, like the Metropolitans of Donetsk and Crimea ... In general, Ukraine is ruled by the elites from Novorossia - this is the Dnepropetrovsk clan of Kuchma, Donetsk guys, Dnepropetrovsk Lazarenko-Timoshenko. There are no representatives of the oligarchy from Western Ukraine. so that Ukraine is ruled by those who, according to the author, should have lobbied for the decentralization of Ukraine with the subsequent collapse. And under Yanukovych, on the contrary, there is a strengthening of the vertical. But the centrifugal tendencies were most manifested under presidents not from New Russia (Kravchuk, Yushchenko). Under Kravchuk - Meshkov in Crimea, under Yushchenko - a congress in Severodonetsk.

[Kail_seven]

The elites do not care about the origin, money does not have a nationality, for money it is only important to increase them. Churches do not care about politics, this is not their business. And if someone does not care, then they have chosen the wrong path in life. I would not associate the activities of politicians and oligarchs with origin. Conscience is now too scarce.

[Technocrat]

In addition to what you said, for some reason I was struck by what I saw in the city of Kovel in the Volyn Region. In the city there are monuments to the soldiers of the Red Army, soldiers of the Polish army, UPA soldiers and .... Orthodox cross to German soldiers. Personally, I was in shock. And most importantly, all the monuments are removed.

[MG42]

Quote: Technocrat

and .... the Orthodox cross to German soldiers.

minus for Orthodox cross to the Nazis.

[Kaa]

Quote: MG42

minus for the Orthodox cross to the Nazis.

And this is still the question whether the cross is Orthodox. In form, maybe yes, but in fact, only the Church of the Moscow Patriarchate is Orthodox canonical in Ukraine. And then there are the self-styled Kiev "Patriarchate",
autocephalous Ukrainian, Greek Catholic, and some other pot-bellied trifle - anybody could put up a cross, corresponding in shape to the Orthodox. For some reason, I bet on the Greek Catholics, this is their legend, Metropolitan Sheptytsky blessed the Galicia division to fight along with the SS and the Wehrmacht against the "infection of Bolshevism"

[MG42]

This is how they were buried with such crosses, of course the Catholic one, the comrade "technocrat" was under the chief and the Germans dreamed of an Orthodox cross. Remember film in the forests near Kovel >>> there were many partisans who derailed trains, how can there be such monuments?

[Kaa]

Quote: MG42

he saw the Orthodox cross to the Germans

The crosses in the picture are birch, birch is a Russian tree - so he drew a "logical" series that the crosses are Orthodox ... a technocrat is not a humanist

[MG42]

Quote: Kaa

technocrat is not a humanist

In engineering, he also does not pull , an ordinary drunk, flooded his eyes and crosses seem, where there are none.

[Kaa]

Quote: MG42

crosses seem to be where they are not

"And on the sides - the dead with scythes stand ... and above - the coffin flies ... and - silence !!!!"

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: MG42

That's how they were buried

And here they built a whole ziggurat.

[Marek Rozny]

photo - class! But can I explain where and when?

[Thunderbolt]

alas, no. "I took" in LJ without a signature.

[Mefodiy]

[quote = Kaa] [quote = MG42] In form, maybe yes, but in essence the Orthodox canonical in Ukraine is only the Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. [/ quote]
In the original territory of Kievan Rus there should be a Kiev Patriarchate!

[Egoza]

Quote: Mefodiy

In the original territory of Kievan Rus there should be a Kiev Patriarchate!

For this it was necessary to comply with the LAWS! Those who wanted to form the Kiev Patriarchate had to turn to the Moscow Patriarchate (because they left it), incur penance for secession, then hold an ELECTION of the Patriarch ... And so it turns out, they took and declared themselves "independent" and began to seize the churches of the Moscow Patriarchate, like bandits, or oligarchs, sawing up Soviet property. Therefore, this patriarchy is NOT RECOGNIZED in the world! And even the Sacred Fire is received as ordinary parishioners, and not from a source in the Temple. And now, interesting. Why do priests obey the Pope in Spain, France, and the United States ... yes, all over the world. And NOBODY demands the Spanish Patriarchate, the Latin American Patriarchate ... Moreover, the Orthodox Churches of the United States became part of the Moscow Patriarchate! But Ukraine needs an "independent patriarchy". In our village, a church was recently built, it was built by the whole world, it was opened two years ago. And this is the Church of the Moscow Patriarchate! People do not want another! Only the "very conscious" do not want to understand this!

[Prapor Afonya]

Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI

The division of UKRAINE into two camps is an inevitable process. Too much controversy between the east and west of UKRAINE is a matter of time.
Conductors of this process naturally sit in WASHINGTON and BERLIN, it is they who are strongly interested in BREAKING UKRAINE from the influence of RUSSIA.
Armed conflict with UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS IS VERY EVEN POSSIBLE-given their aggressiveness.

When Washington or Berlin starts pumping gas to Ukraine, then Ukraine may completely break away!

[gladiatorakz]

If an article about Ukraine with the escalation of confrontation, exaggeration of problems, distortion of facts - 100% author Valera Bleval. Stop making money like that, Valera.

[Skavron]

Dachshund Valera on freelance 20 UAH. for 1000 characters
what they say, it writes)

[stalker]

What do we care about their problems ?? Let them figure it out, "brothers". Ideologically and culturally, the Westerners are not brothers at all, their entire history was lying under the Hungarians, then under the Poles, then under the Austrians, and then they got to the "square", so the roof was blown

[seafarer]

Everything is true, but they and the rest of Ukraine (New Russia, Slobozhanshchina, Donbass) are taking down the roof.

[Nomad]

Quote: Vld

It just amazes me how incorrectly in your media they show what is happening with us.

I can say the same about Kazakhstan. It seems that some Russian media are paid for by our enemies in order to sow hostility and mistrust between the peoples of the former USSR. And after all, many in Russia believe and react with phrases like "yes we, yes for their sake, but they are ... ungrateful, traitors, foes ..." etc., etc. And here, of course, even among internationalists like I'm starting to boil. It comes to the point that a certain Smoke is already expressing the desire of the Kazakhs with a hot iron ... Smoke, of course, is an idiot and frostbite (a skinhead, probably), but the sediment, as they say, still remains ...

[xan]

Quote: Nomad

I can say the same about Kazakhstan. It seems that some of the Russian media paid by our enemies to sow hostility and distrust between the peoples of the former USSR

Kazakh, pull a log from your eye

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

And who said that the media are Russian, they are liquidist and we and you are occupied by these, my language doesn’t dare to call them people ... MONSTERS are all evil in the world by the liquidationists .. everywhere the money of the Rothschilds of rockefellers and bushes with dupons is everywhere greens from the Fed !! ! Slavs unite against evil spirits ... sky !!!

[Conepatus]

TS, how much do you pay Judas for the fact that you are inciting hostility between Ukraine and Russia?

[Skavron]

Quote: Conepatus

TS, how much do you pay Judas

My comment is higher ... I think no more.

[Cherkas]

No need to delve into the documents, there are so many comments on the forum that it is necessary to conduct propaganda on the territory of Ukraine, to sponsor in every possible way, and now what is being done? Not propaganda? Russian fraternity, etc. Kalisnichenko, Elderberry, etc.)

[Gecko]

Russia has not yet taken up Ukraine, it was not up to it, it solved its problems. Nevertheless, they hoped that as a brother you would hold on to your older brother, you were always treated as equals, and not as Irish.
Enormous amounts of money from the State Department in Ukraine are being poured into propaganda from various funds, here also opposition losers from Russia and some TV presenters have reached for you when they gave them a hat for subversive activity, they already know how much and how to stick to various non-governmental funds. I won’t be surprised if the fifth column, paid by the State Department, is pouring out the negative on Ukraine in Russia - non-governmental organizations, the principle of divide and conquer in action by the United States.

[Cherkas]

In Ukraine, they do not close the Russian society, Ukraine does not start cheese, meat, gas wars, in Ukraine they do not say that Pushkin is a Ukrainianophobe, etc. Here about Russia, only important news is discussed and nothing more, it’s in your media there is propaganda paid. The rest is internal issues. But I completely agree with historical enlightenment, I read a lot and I know, and I won’t prove anything to you, because this is in vain, as I understand you as patriots.

[xan]

Quote: Cherkas

Here about Russia, only important news is discussed and nothing more, it’s in your media there is propaganda paid.

where did you get so smart from? What do you think, we do not read Ukrainian newspapers and do not watch Ukrainian television?

[Gecko]

But you have unanimously forgot that before all these food wars, Ukraine received gas for $ 15 for 50 years, when it was 58 in Russia. As a result, Russia promoted Ukraine for $ 15 billion for these 60 years of independence. As soon as Yushchenko poured gas immediately, it became more expensive for you, immediately the industry became unprofitable due to energy resources at European prices.

[Aeneas]

gas prices and prices were approximately 80 shares. This agreement was beneficial to Gazprom, because at the same time transit was guaranteed, and even not for money, but by barter. Plus, the corruption component that went into the pockets of Vyakhirev, Chernomyrdin and Kuchma. Greedy Yushchenko wanted to redirect these bonuses to his pocket, Julia herself, Putin only had to breed suckers.

[Aeneas]

Quote: Cherkas

No need to delve into the documents, there are so many comments on the forum that it is necessary to conduct propaganda on the territory of Ukraine, to sponsor in every possible way, and now what is being done? Not propaganda? Russian fraternity, etc. Kalisnichenko, Elderberry, etc.)

I think that Ukraine is undergoing serious pro-Russian propaganda, generously funded but very ineffective. The fact is that grants are received by characters such as Buzina, Kornilov, Kolesnichenko who laid the foundation for their rhetoric that there are no Ukrainians, there are maloros, Ukrainian history is a comic farce, Ukrainian culture and language are a provincial-anecdotal mystery with funny spoiled Russian. Well, and in contrast - Great Russia, great history and culture (of course you can’t argue). But here's how, for 70 years of Soviet power and the best education in the world, Ukrainians were massively convinced of the opposite. That there is a culture with Shevchenko, Franco, Lesya Ukrainka, etc., there is a story with hetmans Sagaidachny, Khmelnytsky, with Ukrainians Shchors and Kozhedub. Campaigning for Russia, belittling Ukraine is a dead end. Campaigning for a new Union should be carried out by people complimented by Ukrainians. I basically like Glazyev, besides he was born in Zaporozhye and graduated from the Ukrainian school (though he is a busy person).

[Cherkas]

I agree with you, but we must also understand that the ruling party has its own interests, and that both the "family" and Akhmetov and other "Ukrainians" have and these interests are not so pro-European, but definitely against the Customs Union and that is why Russia is without an ally it became much more difficult to carry out propaganda.

[Egoza]

Quote: Aeneas

The fact is that grants are received by characters such as Buzina, Kornilov, Kolesnichenko, who laid the foundation for their rhetoric that there are no Ukrainians, there are maloros, Ukrainian history is a comic farce, Ukrainian culture and language are a provincial-anecdotal mystery with funny spoiled Russian.

Does it really hurt your eyes? Find at least one document where "Ukrainians" were listed as a nationality before the revolution in Tsarist Russia? If people write the truth, including that the Poles began to promote the nationality of "Ukrainians" in order to sow enmity between Russians and Little Russians, and thus get yourself people to rebel against Russia, you immediately write them down as grant eaters. How many courts were organized against O. Buzina? And at least they won some kind of court against him? NO! Just because he puts the DOCUMENTS on the table. But, of course, everyone hears and sees what he wants. And I personally know Academician P. Tolochko. How he was devoured by the academy in the times of Yushchenko, when it was necessary to falsify history! However, the old man did not give in! Not a word of lies! Unlike those who received amerovsky prizes.

[Aeneas]

Do not you think that the theory about the "birth" of Ukrainians by the Poles as a weapon against Russia is somewhat irrational and not objective. For in reality, it turns out that the Poles "gave birth" to weapons against themselves. The Ukrainians of the ZUNR fiercely fought against the Poles, the UPO-OUN militants terrorized the Polish elite through political assassinations, and the UPA partisans staged the Volyn Massacre. Mdaa, some arrogant and arrogant Pole beat himself in the master's chest, and shouted sho at he invented Ukrainians. In fact, they never paid attention to Polish nonsense in Russia, but this idiot is always quoted. The version that the Ukrainians were invented in the Austrian General Staff looks much more logical :-) The Ukrainians, in their history, had various self-names and their names by other peoples: Ruska, Cherkasy, Maloros, Rusyns, Ukrainians. This is normal and not original in history. Italians became Italians at the end of the 19th century, as did the Germans and all kinds of Wallachian Romanians. Around the same time, the Ukrainians were formed on the basis of the culture and history of Rus-Hetmanate-Little Russia-Ukraine ... And I advise you to get acquainted with Ukrainian folklore a little. Ukraine and never Little Russia are heard in many songs and dooms. Tolochko is a respected man, he earned a name for himself under the Union and was not noticed in any Ukrainophobia, Yushchenko offended him. Judging an elder is not a grateful thing, in Ukraine they don't judge words for a separate worldview, besides, Buzin is not a mediocre and dexterous person.

[xan]

Quote: Aeneas

Do not you think that the theory about the "birth" of Ukrainians by the Poles as a weapon against Russia is somewhat irrational and not objective.

But what about those who, in no circumstances, feel like Ukrainians, for example, Crimeans? Why do you Ukrainians impose your nationality on Russians in Russian Crimea? And even with this shirt vomiting for territorial integrity, when are you the invaders? I don’t give a damn about those who consider themselves to be Ukrainian, live as you like, but Russian lands with Russian people who, in a misunderstanding, find themselves in Ukraine, should be in Russia.

[revera92]

Bred.Bred.Bred. I hope that in Russia there are few people with the same logic as yours. Apparently Russian nationalism is even worse than Ukrainian.

[AntonR7]

Well, of course, after independence, we changed our songs here and you sing instead of Little Russians, Ukraine

[Cherkas]

If I start telling you who the Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians are, you will be offended. Well, the names k4ts4p, x0kh0l, etc. were not easy. common roots no doubt, but if you start about the nationality of Ukrainians, then think about the nationality of Russian or Belarusians. Nationality now consists of language, culture, mentality, you will agree, Ukrainians and Belarusians are more similar to each other than Russians and Belarusians, you will agree that in our countries there are not so many Asians and you will agree that you have many ethnic groups in Russia about which you for some reason do not speak.

[Kail_seven]

Of course, according to the constitution, Russia is a multinational country. But in Russia, Russians -80% of the population. According to some criteria, this is a mono-ethnic state: "A state in which more than two-thirds of the population belong to one ethnic group is mono-ethnic." However, there are, of course, other opinions, but one should nevertheless admit that in terms of the ratio of Russians to other nationalities (even with a huge number of them), Russia is much closer to mono-ethnicity than many other countries that have much fewer nationalities in their composition, but at the same time their much larger specific weight as a percentage (in Russia, not one of the nationalities reaches even the four percent threshold)

[washi]

And only Okraintsy live on OkraINE. I agree with that. But the borderlands are not a monolithic nation, but a conglomerate of many nationalities, as in any border region. The only question is whose outskirts. There are many who wish. Poland, Hungary, Turkey, Romania, Russia.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

We have one genetic code, you won’t talk about it, just as the amers are silent about it, because it’s not profitable! They conducted research and are silent about it, all of Europe comes from the Slavs, and Zadornov tells you about it with laughter, but it’s not laughter, it’s true! The Germans wrote all Slavic history, it was not for nothing that Lomonosov beat them in the face !!! And you are crushing a single people now, why do you need this?

[xan]

Quote: Aeneas

But here's how, for 70 years of Soviet power and the best education in the world, Ukrainians were massively convinced of the opposite. That there is a culture with Shevchenko, Franco, Lesia Ukrainka, etc., there is a story with hetmans Sagaidachny, Khmelnytsky, with Ukrainians Shchors and Kozhedub

In Ukraine, there are many people who consider native Russian culture. And Russia needs them. The rest let them remain in Ukraine, but without Russian lands

[Cherkas]

And what are these Russian lands?

[Kail_seven]

All except Galicia, or do you deny that Ukraine, like Russia and Belarus, are descendants of Russia, or, historiographically, Kievan Rus?

[Aeneas]

Galicia - this is the Galicia-Volyn principality of Kievan Rus. But based on the texts of the Tale of Bygone Years, Ugro-Finnish tribes lived on the territory of the European part of modern Russia, naturally okromya Novgorod. However, no one calls into question the all-Russian origins of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus.

[Kail_seven]

Of course, the Galicia-Volyn principality also belonged to Russia at one time, but these territories, unfortunately, since 1340, due to various circumstances, were part of the states of the western, as it is commonly called, civilization. And it is natural that such a long period could not but affect either the ethnogenesis or the worldview of the local population, the Catholic Church also had a great influence, because it is also known that Daniel Galitsky took the title of "King of Russia" from the Pope in Dorogochyna, that indicates at least a very good relationship with the pontiff. Also, Galicia did not know the Tatar-Mongol yoke on itself, which also could not but affect the mentality of the population. If you like, Galicia as a region in the cultural sense is much more "Europeanized" than other territories that make up Ukraine now.
Although it should be recognized that even relatively recently, the population of Galicia still identified with the Russians, for example, in 1907, in the city of Sambir, representatives of the ancient Ruthenian clans of the Nizhankovsky, Gordinsky, Siletsky, Borkovsky, Pogoretsky, Kulchitsky-Tsmailov established the gentry organization “Russian Gentry Partnership” . Which was renamed only in 1938 into a partnership of "Ukrainian gentry named after Pyotr Konashevich-Sagaidachny. "
With your statement:

Quote: Aeneas

... on the territory of the European part of modern Russia lived the Finno-Ugric tribes, essesno okromya Novgorod. However, no one calls into question the all-Russian origins of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus.

I personally completely agree, and it does not contradict my assertion that all the lands that make up Ukraine now are Russian, they do not belong to Russia, but are Russian. Russia is a name for which both Russians and Belarusians and Ukrainians have the same rights, only the latter unfortunately more and more often forget about it and take any such statement almost as an insult, although it certainly does not change the essence.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Kail_Seven

it should be recognized that even relatively recently, the population of Galicia still identified itself with the Russians, for example, in 1907, in the city of Sambir, representatives of the ancient Ruthenian clans of the Nizhankovsky, Gordinsky, Siletsky, Borkovsky, Pogoretsky, Kulchitsky-Tsmaylov, the gentry organization “The Association of the Russian Gentry” was created.

And since then, several ethnic cleansings have been carried out (and before that, the supreme authorities did not disdain these measures). Is it any wonder that after such a massive treatment, the level of sympathizing Russia among those living there, as they say, is lower than the plinth?

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

There was no Tatar-Mongol yoke, all the notions of newcomers were Germans, our genetic code, Slavic code has not changed since the time of the universal flood, this is saying amers, having done genetic research, but they say quietly in a rag, according to these studies it turns out that everyone goes from the Slavs ... And to them it is a bit of a bitch to recognize, that’s the whole story !!!!

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

For some reason, they banyat me? I probably don’t like that I write the truth about the liquidationists! And about our story. Amer conducted research, the Slavs have a single genetic code that has not changed for centuries! After the church schism, all church chronicles were destroyed, and the history was written anew by the Germans, it was not for nothing that Lomonosov beat their faces !!! And we all come from the Slavs, and Europe too, and they don’t like it a lot ... And in the world who rules a Yiddish Zionist ball of money, and the Slavs have a bone in their throat for them from time immemorial !!!

[washi]

Galicia - the territory of Kievan Rus. The fact that Danila Galitsky sold himself to the Latins for the crown does not mean that the land is not ours.

[Mefodiy]

Quote: Vasya

Galicia - the territory of Kievan Rus. The fact that Danila Galitsky sold himself to the Latins for the crown does not mean that the land is not ours.

Saying so is like saying "Peter I sold himself to the Germans and the Dutch"

[Algor73]

I don't know, I live in Ukraine, on duty I visit all regions, I don't see Russophobes. The situation is artificial, it is just a so-called struggle for the voter. And, of course, the media, both Western and Eastern. And the people deeply do not care what language you speak. About the civil war, as some would like. WILL NOT BE. Ukrainians are not the right people. And hysteria about this for some reason is manifested outside of Ukraine. I did not hear from the Ukrainians themselves that it was time to fight. Who to fight with ?! I immediately put a plus on the article. But "digested" - a solid minus.

[Skavron]

Algor73 - Plus!
Only a person who does not exist in Ukraine can talk about total Russophobia in Ukraine.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Algor73

The situation is artificial, it is just the so-called struggle for the voter.

FOR WHICH voter are those who, at ALL pharmacies in the Crimea distribute drugs with annotations ONLY in Ukrainian-Galician surzhik? If bilinguals go to all other regions ... You will be in Crimea, do not be too lazy to go to ANY pharmacy ...

And the absence of radio broadcasting in Russian in the Crimea? Is it so "fighting" for a Russian-speaking vacationer? NOT ONE Russian-language VHF station (despite the fact that they are ALL local, they are FORBIDDEN to broadcast in Russian)

[Aeneas]

I live in Kiev, and I can say the same thing just the opposite. There is not a single Ukrainian-language radio station !!! Everywhere Chanson and "Russian radio, everything will be fine" !!! At the expense of annotations of drugs. Well, all manufacturers are striving to expand their markets, and for the medicines I buy in pharmacies (in small details) annotations are in Ukrainian, Russian, Kazakh, English and also in some exotic language.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Aeneas

I live in Kiev, and I can say the same thing just the opposite. There is not a single Ukrainian-language radio station !!! Everywhere Chanson and "Russian radio, everything will be fine" !!!

We have Chanson and Russian radio ... in Ukrainian, okay? In Kiev, you can just understand, local radio stations live on profits from ad units. And we would have them in Russian too, if not ... a direct order. And also - a ban on advertising in Russian. Entrepreneurs are already REALLY WAR, very often advertising on the mov (in this region) causes the opposite effect to the expected. And there are NO other options.

Quote: Aeneas

on drugs that I buy in pharmacies (on trifles), an annotation in Ukrainian, Russian, Kazakh, English, and even in some exotic language.

So what I’m talking about, ALL the acquaintances to whom I showed are simply shocked by this. Everywhere after Perekop, annotations are multilingual, but here - at least search. For the sake of interest, I asked friends in pharmacy management this issue. The answer is DO NOT. An accident?

[Aeneas]

nuuu, Crimea - Autonomy. Maybe there are some rules of their own?

[Misantrop]

Quote: Aeneas

Crimea - Autonomy. Maybe there are some rules of their own?

Unfortunately, now only one rule is in effect: "ALL rules for Crimea are written in Kiev" ...

[seafarer]

Russophobia in Ukraine is. UNFORTUNATELY. And not to notice it is stupid and dangerous.
I don’t know why, but under Kuchma, all ideology was left at the mercy of the Svidomites-Westerners. And they, we must pay tribute, skillfully took advantage.
And after all, arrogant and unprincipled to the point of insanity.
And an ordinary resident of Ukraine (namely a resident, not a citizen) looks away and pretends that this does not concern him. When all the Kiev metro cars were sealed with nationalist stickers, I did not see a single person who would start tearing them off. To be afraid? What?
It's just that we - normal people are fragmented, and the Nazis, on the contrary, are organized and not bad.

It is time for us, as Sevastopol did, to organize and repulse this brown plague, as our grandfathers did.

[Mefodiy]

Quote: seafarer

Russophobia in Ukraine is. UNFORTUNATELY.

Yes there is. But not more than 10% of 100%. Show a modern society where there are no extreme views. Maybe North Korea?

[Misantrop]

Quote: Mefodiy

Yes there is. But not more than 10% of 100%

Here are just an almost absolute majority of them - bosses of various ranks. IS THIS "unanimity" on this issue among representatives of the authorities from diametrically opposed political parties? If not the DPRK, then something close ...

[desiscia]

I think that the author did not go out from Dneprodzerzhinsk, sits watching TV and writes something. It is incomprehensible to anyone except him.

[Apollo]

West or East EU or CU - where should Ukraine go?

Sometimes it’s useful to listen to our panama. Especially when it is nervous and hysterical. This is me about yesterday's “Shuster” on the TV channel “Inter”. If they, our gentlemen, listen carefully and watch them carefully, then you can understand many things that are important to us.
In particular, I now understand why our “Svidomo” and liberal-Russophobic pansy, frantically dreaming of the European Union, ignore common sense, facts and figures of economic realities. After all, yesterday they unanimously announced in live choir: in economic matters, we are not interested in numbers! And why? But because the economy is not common sense, benefits and numbers, but a value choice! We, they said, do not dream about the EU because the Ukrainian economy will flourish from this, or the people will live better. NOT! We want to join the European Union because we just want to go there! We are very "cool" there! This is our VALUE CHOICE! And we don’t give a damn about everything else!
This is the logic, or rather, paralogy, of the ruling Ukrainian elite (power and opposition). More precisely, this is the group egoism of people in whose life "everything is included." This is the reluctance of a narrow social stratum to reckon with the interests of the common people, with the interests of the country.
What is the result? And in the end, ordinary people become hostages to the so-called "Value choice" of these stupid and hysterical gentlemen and little ladies. For their so-called “Value choice”, as well as ignoring numbers and common sense, we will pay.
More precisely, we are already paying - poverty, decline, degradation, degeneration and extinction.
- http://andreyvadjra.livejournal.com/304243.html)
I bring to your attention a video from 4 parts
part 1

[Apollo]

continued part 2-I

[Apollo]

continued part 3-I

[Apollo]

part 4-I ending

[Cherkas]

Well, you can see the red glasses prevent you from seeing the logic and you can’t argue with Gritsenko, the only person I trust 100% is a real officer, moreover, a rare intellectual, plays chess and preference very well, you must admit, honor and intelligence are very rare for the politician combination. In addition, I suspect that our brothers do not understand either the Ukrainian or Belarusian language.

[Aeneas]

Gritsenko interesting, but one-sided about the western.

[Egoza]

Quote: Cherkas

the only person I trust in 100% is a real officer, in addition, a rare intellectual,

From November 1992 of the year to August of 1994 of the year, Hrytsenko held the post of head of the problem-analytical department of the Research Center of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Moreover, from March 1993 to May 1994, he was in the United States: in 1993, he attended a course at the Military Institute of Foreign Languages ​​of the American Ministry of Defense, and in 1994, he attended a course at the operational-strategic department of the US Air Force University. Returning to his homeland, in 1995, Hrytsenko completed an internship at the Academy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine [2] [8] [3] [10].
February 4 2005 of the year Hrytsenko was appointed Minister of Defense of Ukraine in the Tymoshenko government
On 8 of September 2005 of the year, Yushchenko dismissed the entire Tymoshenko government [9] [21], but at the end of the month invited Gritsenko to remain at the head of the Ministry of Defense [
Hrytsenko actively supported the idea of ​​Ukraine joining the North Atlantic Alliance [
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And it was under Gritsenko and Yushchenko that the American ambassador handed diplomas to our intelligence graduates! If you are for NATO, then go ahead for Gritsenko!

[Cherkas]

And it doesn’t matter to me which alliance, the main thing for me is to live in peace and that our soldiers do not fight in other countries, peacekeepers are one thing, the offensive is different. It is important that the army be professional and able to protect Ukraine and Gritsenko is able to make it so under normal power. But these American scouts are funny and a little sad, now it’s not like the USSR, and you can go to other countries, and somehow for the scout he didn’t very secretly visit his briefing.

[darya]

We are not for the West or for NATO - we are taking care of ourselves. So we'll see in ten years, who has a better life, why should it be in vain to break spears. And "Svoboda", for all their bravado, will not let the Europidor laws come to us, and the Jewish tribe will bring us under control.

[Kail_seven]

Quote: Cherkas

... a real officer ...

A true officer once swears allegiance to the Homeland, and does not violate this oath.

[ATATA]

Quote: Kail_Seven

A true officer once swears allegiance to the Homeland, and does not violate this oath.

And you explain this to those officers who, during the collapse of the USSR, had to feed their families somehow. And the homeland of its defenders does not leave to its own devices, like kittens rootless.
And then lofty words all the masters throw, and when you need to feed the children, then you start to think differently.

[Conepatus]

He served under the Union. The house returned after the collapse. The military commissar was taken away from the military commissariat and told to come back in a couple of days. He came. The military commissar stamped and wrote that he had taken the oath of allegiance to Ukraine. When I said that under this oath there was no my signature, I got the answer: Don’t worry, where necessary, there is your signature.
I think that in other republics of the Union, it was exactly the same.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Conepatus

He served under the Union. The house returned after the collapse. The military commissar was taken away from the military commissariat and told to come back in a couple of days. He came. The military commissar stamped and wrote that he had taken the oath of allegiance to Ukraine. When I said that under this oath there was no my signature, I got the answer: Don’t worry, where necessary, there is your signature.
I think that in other republics of the Union, it was exactly the same.

Quote: Conepatus

He served under the Union. The house returned after the collapse. The military commissar was taken away from the military commissariat and told to come back in a couple of days. He came. The military commissar stamped and wrote that he had taken the oath of allegiance to Ukraine. When I said that under this oath there was no my signature, I got the answer: Don’t worry, where necessary, there is your signature.
I think that in other republics of the Union, it was exactly the same.

In Kazakhstan, after the collapse of the USSR and the formation of the new Kazakhstan army, it was decided that those who took the oath in the USSR should not take it again ..

Presidential decree of 25.08.1992 N 870 "ON THE MILITARY PRISH"

In connection with the creation of the Armed Forces of the sovereign state of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the need to bring the new replenishment of military personnel to the oath of allegiance to the Motherland, I decide:
1. To approve the text of the military oath for the military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
2. To swear in citizens called up for military service in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan, and cadets of military educational institutions who have not previously taken a military oath.
3. To approve the Regulation on the procedure for taking a military oath.
4. To exempt from military oath of servicemen who are in military service on the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan and who previously accepted it, if they do not wish to take the military oath again.
5. Military personnel serving in the Strategic Forces and citizens of other states who have entered the military educational institutions of the Republic of Kazakhstan take a military oath for the military of the Strategic Forces.

[Misantrop]

Quote: ATATA

explain to those officers who, during the collapse of the USSR, had to feed their families somehow

And so they rushed to oversight ahead of their own squeal? My retirement came just at this time, so I watched it all with my own eyes. Among the officers of the Air Force and Navy, an unusually ugly picture was, believe me. Yes, there were those who had nowhere to go at all, but against the backdrop of losers dreaming of jumping through 2-5 service steps due to oversight, they were completely lost ...
By the way, Ukraine did not overshoot (although it did not require going to serve, but 13% of the pension supplement was guaranteed). And yet, for all the time I was in the reserve ... they did not give out a military ticket to the reserve officer (there were no document forms)

[Mefodiy]

Even if heaven’s manna flowed out of this person’s mouth live, then the majority of Ukraine’s population would not believe him ...

[Skavron]

It’s good to swear ... not in the subject, but it is better to admire the views of Kiev from a height: http://alexcheban.livejournal.com/129501.html

[Phantom Revolution]

Yes, beauty) But for that, and the capital, that would be beautiful)

[Conepatus]

Quote: Egoza

Quote: Vld

but who told you that Russians hate

It’s good that you have such good friends. But I personally saw how the girl was stabbed in the back in the evening in Lviv. And only because she spoke Russian.

Quote: Vld

It would be better if your media wrote about the benefits of the TS,

Yes, they already talk so much about them, but you also need to hear, and not dream of Europe.

Quote: Vld

Yanukovych is also not particularly favored by us

They do not favor Yanukovych precisely because he did not fulfill the main thing, what he was chosen for - for the Russian language and for moving towards an alliance with Russia. And he even began to live better. But he did not promise that YOU will become better off.

Quote: Vld

And for those who think differently, then let them read our media, this is also useful)))

Aha! And especially comments to articles! On the sites "Segodnya", "Polemika", "Versii", 2000, for example, about the rallies, which in the opinion of the "oppa" collect 8-10 thousand, and according to the police, exactly 10 times less.
"will have to lepa (Tyagnibok) of its 6 million Galicians, ready as one to stand under arms, to divide into two. From the east, Russia distributes kicks, from the west, horses are saddled. And the Belarusians may suddenly wake up and remember Khatyn - so from the north a threat has appeared Where to go to the poor banderlog? In the Carpathians, the forest has been cut down and you will not hide properly. Only in the ground)))))))) Damn, shovels will probably rise in price. Who has a batch of shovels?

Damn, well, what is your fantasy so tight? Did the perpetrator tell you why he cut the girl, or the victim asked to consider her Russian? And then why didn't they touch you? Maybe because on the forum you write what Russians want to hear, and in Lviv (provided that you were there) say what the locals want to hear. And only in "mov"?

[Tatarus]

Would go unre respectable forest towards the field. Otherwise kirdyk from Tatars not Russian ... Or not Tatars Russian.? It doesn’t matter, but the girl is rude to you in Goblinsky style.

[Technocrat]

Note for some of this girl’s grandson in the army recently went))))

[Misantrop]

Quote: Technocrat

this girl’s grandson has recently joined the army

But she didn’t become a grandfather from this, oddly enough. Or you can’t be rude only to girls, and grandmothers can?

[Egoza]

Quote: Conepatus

The criminal told you why he cut the girl, or the victim asked to consider her Russian? And then why didn’t you touch her?

Well then, in detail. 1973 year. my sister worked in Lviv. I came to visit her. We went to the opera house. Winter, of course, is already evening after the performance. We return, and in front of the girl is running. Two guys are attached to her, start to pester. She shouts: "Yes leave me alone, you" answered her: "Yes, you are Russian!" and a knife in the back. Then we shouted and it was the police squad that was walking. all the same the center. the guys hit the road through which there is an exit to all sorts of yards, the little girl was lucky that the winter coat (thick) was, only slightly scratched. The guards of order grimaced, and saying "well, nothing like that happened" calmly walked away. The sister returned to Kiev in the same year, finished her work after graduation and did not want to stay in the "second Ukrainian capital". And there, by the way, all the time she spoke in Ukrainian, in order to avoid ...
Shl. I am fluent in several languages. Including Ukrainian. I am the translator. After the violent Ukrainization and the applications "Ukraine is only for Ukrainians", I basically speak only Russian.

[Conepatus]

1-would say not "Yes, you are still Ruska" but "yes you are mosk and l to a"
2-garbage is everywhere and always the same, it is easier for them to pretend that nothing happened than to get another "hanging"
3-In the period you are describing, for "nationalism" they put them in a psychiatric hospital with a bang, and the western regions were under special control. I would still believe if it was in some zapadensky village, but not in Lvov and not in the city center and not at the time you describe.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Conepatus

During the period you are describing, for "nationalism" they were put in a psychiatric hospital with a bang, and the western regions were under special control.

In Estonia in 1984, it was NOT officially RECOMMENDED to sit in a train by the window in a military uniform - they could fire. And in the 60s, officers were FORBIDDEN to appear in the city without weapons and less than three

[Mefodiy]

Quote: Egoza

Quote: Conepatus

The criminal told you why he cut the girl, or the victim asked to consider her Russian? And then why didn’t you touch her?

Well then, in detail. 1973 year. my sister worked in Lviv. I came to visit her. We went to the opera house. Winter, of course, is already evening after the performance. We return, and in front of the girl is running. Two guys are attached to her, start to pester. She shouts: "Yes leave me alone, you" answered her: "Yes, you are Russian!" and a knife in the back. Then we shouted and it was the police squad that was walking. all the same the center. the guys hit the road through which there is an exit to all sorts of yards, the little girl was lucky that the winter coat (thick) was, only slightly scratched. The guards of order grimaced, and saying "well, nothing like that happened" calmly walked away. The sister returned to Kiev in the same year, finished her work after graduation and did not want to stay in the "second Ukrainian capital". And there, by the way, all the time she spoke in Ukrainian, in order to avoid ...
Shl. I am fluent in several languages. Including Ukrainian. I am the translator. After the violent Ukrainization and the applications "Ukraine is only for Ukrainians", I basically speak only Russian.

I completely agree with Conepatus that if this even happened, it was a UNIQUE case and to make a systemic phenomenon with it is the same as opposing the residents of Moscow and Moscow region (Lyubertsy, for example).

[Skavron]

it is rather an attempt, and very clumsy, banal gop-stop.
but about nationalism ... well, I don’t know ... 1973 ... I would believe for 2004-5
and the cops ... everywhere they are.

[Conepatus]

Most likely they wanted to cut the handbag, or pockets, but it turned out that the coat was spoiled from the back. I doubt that the coat can withstand stabbing with a knife in the back. It’s ruining, yes (and it depends on which knife), but it’s pricking in the back, there are no options. an army sheepskin coat would not help.

[Technocrat]

Don't pay attention to Alexander. This "girl" again played out xVantasia on the theme of "Natsiks and Bandelogs". Recently, I have been very attentively re-reading the opuses of this person. To be honest, sometimes you don’t know or laugh or cry))))

[Conepatus]

Yeah. Especially about 1973 was impressive.

[Tatarus]

Let's split up. ...... and Ukrainians. Ukrainians are a hardworking and kind people. ..... these are parasites and ki on the body of Ukraine, as before on the body of the USSR. Ukraine without ....... a self-sufficient state. And with these pid0rasami a balcony pasture for ..... To feed the geyrop. Sorry for the emotions, but got it. The Ukrainian flags that Russia writes should ... we are Russian ... What kind of Russian are you if you are not fighting the Russophobic government. The fact that cowards are now clear. AND REMEMBER GREAT RUSSIA SHOULD NOTHING TO YOU. Want to live in manure so live. And do not shout that you are wrong or wrong. Get out of the heap and go to us. But no, so eat what you live in.

[Aeneas]

your emotions are really going wild.

[Evgeniy667b]

It seems that paid sixes are actually operating on the site. You can carry anything, but only in contrasts it does not matter to anyone, Ukraine or Russia. Can they really receive subsidies from Washington? Time will tell. Although I was born in the Russian Federation, the Ural region, a lot is connected with Ukraine, and there is no negative. Ridna Nenko !!!
All the blessings of this earth.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Evgeniy667b

Although I was born in the Russian Federation, the Ural region, a lot is connected with Ukraine, and there is no negative. Ridna Nenko !!!
All the blessings of this earth.

Thank you friend!

[Sergey_K]

My God, you have seen. Everything in the modern world has at least TRIPLE BOTTOM! Think head off and believe only yourself!

[a boat]

suck you! sleep and see how to drive Ukraine? So Ukraine has been and will be! you and not Sevastopol!

[Misantrop]

Quote: gych

Ukraine has been and will be!

There was nobody arguing. Something is still there (albeit significantly smaller than at the time of the collapse). But there WILL be big doubts about what WILL. Especially if the course of ALL rulers from the moment of collapse does not change. Soon there will simply be nothing to be ...

[Gecko]

Damn poor humiliated Ukrainians are always oppressed, do not tell, still say that you were in the USSR as the Irish.
In the UK, at least one Irishman or Scot was at the head of the state?

And here are the leaders in the USSR:
Lenin is a Jew
Stalin - Georgian
Khrushchev - from UKRAINE, although Russian, but spoke good mov and walked in an embroidered shirt
Brezhnev - UKRAINIAN
Andropov is a Jew
Chernenko - UKRAINIAN
Gorbachev - by mother UKRAINIAN

[Conepatus]

So is it Ukraine's fault that everyone lived a bad life?
+ For the original interpretation

[Gecko]

I liked how I lived in the USSR.
And now I don’t dissolve the snot, I work for my business.

[Aeneas]

you are somewhat "carried away", although you yourself do not notice. In your opinion, the only RUSSIAN by the Pope - Gorbachev, destroyed the USSR?

[Gecko]

I have no words. Once again, you want to see what you want to see, and not what is written in the first two sentences.

[Aeneas]

Quote: gecko

I have no words. Once again, you want to see what you want to see, and not what is written in the first two sentences.

well ... although the Scots once held large posts and were even kings ... Brezhnev was not a Ukrainian, although he wrote somewhere in the questionnaire that he was Ukrainian, and in the other that he was Russian. Well, there the Dnepropetrovsk clan was in power, but in general the Ukrainians didn’t feel very bad ... Hmm, Gorbach ruined everything, we won’t mention his nationality.

[Gecko]

I have cited the above copy of the passport stating that he is UKRAINIAN.

[Mefodiy]

Quote: gecko

Brezhnev - UKRAINIAN

As far as I remember from school, in his autobiography he wrote that he was Russian in origin.

[Mhpv]

Well, after all, Stalin laid the foundation for this:
"I am Russian, of Georgian origin"

[Conepatus]

No, this was started by an original Russian man, grandfather Lenin, and he was assisted in this matter by the same Russian comrades as Trotsky, Bukharin, and Ordzhenikidze.
One Dzerzhinsky brought real benefits (raised intelligence), but a problem, he is a Pole.

[Gecko]

Is it really a shame for a compatriot? Or is the dogma of Ukrainian nationalists about black Ukrainians falling apart?
See the scans of Brezhnev’s original documents on the links, it’s always indicated that he is UKRAINIAN

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brezhnev_LI_Pasport_1947.jpg?uselang=ru

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Brezhnev_LI_ListKadr_1942.
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[Conepatus]

Of all the General Secretaries, I am only ashamed of Gorbachev.
The General Secretary of the Soviet Union, the First President of the Soviet Union, and went down to the pizza advertisement.

[Gecko]

I don’t care about the nationality of a person at the head of Russia, it’s important for me to work on this place for the benefit of the Russian Federation, and not the Anglo-Saxons or other foreigners.
I indicated the nationality of all the general secretaries, in order that they would not blame only the Russian people for all universal troubles.

[Conepatus]

And who dumps everything on the Russian people?
Almost all Ukrainian forum users mother their own government.

[Mefodiy]

Quote: gecko

Is it really a shame for a compatriot? Or is the dogma of Ukrainian nationalists about black Ukrainians falling apart?
See the scans of Brezhnev’s original documents on the links, it’s always indicated that he is UKRAINIAN

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brezhnev_LI_Pasport_1947.jpg?uselang=ru

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Brezhnev_LI_ListKadr_1942.

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Born in the Kamensky Yekaterinoslav province (now Dneprodzerzhinsk, Dnipropetrovsk region of Ukraine) in the family of Ilya Yakovlevich Brezhnev (1874-1930) and Natalya Denisovna Mazalova (1886-1975). His father and mother were born and before moving to Kamenskoye, they lived in a village. Brezhnevo (now the Kursk region of the Kursk region).

[Gecko]

I pointed to a copy of the official document.
Where it is written in black and white.
And what will you provide me with evidence?

Even if Brezhnev is Russian, what is the reason to write that he is Ukrainian?
Or even then there were nationalists who were forced to indicate the nationality of the Ukrainian?
It is then frightening to imagine how many Russians in Ukraine indicated their nationality as Ukrainian.

[RU_PATRIOT]

But the Russians are proud and courageous.

[kind]

And what exactly is the idea of ​​Ukrainian nationalism? In my opinion, this is a complete denial of everything and everyone except themselves. And he has nothing to be proud of, except for his fellow countryman Grushevsky, who, with Western money, composed a "great" story for them. We do not take the executioner Bandera into account, it is useless for the country to raise criminals and bandits to the rank of heroes. Sorry for the people. It turns out as in the proverb: Pans fight, the forelocks of the slaves crack.

[shurup]

Russophobic sentiments in a country inhabited exclusively by Russians will lead and lead to the impoverishment and extinction of this very population.
Residents of the west of Ukraine can not decide who they are - Poles, Austrians or any ukrobaski.
As they say in Odessa, one harmful and evil old woman can ruin the life of all the inhabitants of a large communal apartment and spit in soup even in a neighboring house. A little that she first complains to the district police officer. You can only be saved by giving her autonomy in the form of a separate apartment on a distant farm.
The article is about the Russian-Russian sentiment in Ukraine. But it is more correct to call these moods Moskvafobsky, Kremlin Kremlin and even Putinophobic, as anyone likes. The essence of the reluctance of the local elite to share the broth with other elites, but, on the contrary, try to grab yourself more.
Their desire, pretending to be Russophobic, is encouraged from the same West and, the more westward, the more generous.
So it asks for the language: "west-westward"

[Standard Oil]

How lucky the West is with the Russian leaders, all of them, as for the selection, are lounging before them, Borka is forgivable an alcoholic, i.e. a sick person, Dimka didn’t shine with his mind either, but didn’t it seem like you needed to go to the board for a label, or is it necessary?

[Tony tomahawk]

I was born in Ukraine, I love my country very much, my father also instilled in me a love for both Russia and the former Soviet countries, it hurts to look at what the "Pahans" are doing with my country, on the legal system and foreign policy, an opinion was formed - that Ukraine is incapable of being an independent state, and I hope I will find the day when Ukraine will become part of the Russian Federation, this is the only way, in my opinion, we will be able to get out of the abyss into which we ourselves have climbed, and in general - fraternal peoples should not be apart.

[Sashko07]

I feel that soon in Russia children will be scared by Ukrainians, as in Asia by a shaitan

Do you not understand that the more such articles there are, the wider the gap between us, you are like Russian smart people, but sometimes I have a completely different opinion. You Chechens in Moscow will soon become the masters of all you drive to Ukraine. Problem number one we are for you

[mojohed]

Ukraine, like the Commonwealth in past centuries, wants to experience how it is all ... The collapse of this state, unfortunately, can no longer be completely excluded from the circumstances.

[Opera]

Quote: Cherkas

Here about Russia only discuss important news

Wow! Oh really! What channel?
About the EU, yes! Regularly! In terms of the fact that Ukraine has achieved yet another success in European integration! The EU said it is necessary - we will answer! Fulfill and exceed!
Well, about Russia, there are ... About gas regularly, about which Ukraine suffers losses because of ..., the agreements generally signed by Tymoshenko! And how good Ukrainian pensioners would have lived if not .... these losses, because of course they would have helped pensioners then !!!
And the reverse gas - ha, ha, ha !!! What are we smart !!! Let Russia prove that it is its gas !!! Ha ha ha ha!

[JIaIIoTb]

And we won’t prove ... let’s bypass.

[Uhe]

Personally, it seems to me that for us Russians it is not Russophobia of a small part of the citizens of Ukraine that is much more terrible, but Russophobic sentiments of the highest power structures of the Russian Federation itself, as well as the entire domestic policy, which is essentially Russophobic.

Here is one small example of today: in Moscow all the ambulance orderlies are fired, and guest workers are hired for their work, and their salaries are higher than those of the orderlies currently working. And one more thing: for visiting doctors, the exam in the Russian language, which is necessary for passing the certification exam, will be canceled.

The examples are small, but the devil, as you know, lies precisely in such small details. Well, and who is worse - a Russophobe somewhere there in the amount of 10 people, whom the citizens of Ukraine themselves will dig into the ground if necessary, or here, who issues and implements such decrees, and we are not able to oppose him, because have Roman slaves?

[Gecko]

As you can’t understand, we do not need you as a member of the Russian Federation.

[Conepatus]

And who to ask?

[Gecko]

It seems that you rushed to this site to specially arrange your next provocative ukrasrach. Not having real historical and economic knowledge.
You are a young man by the judgment froze in his early twenties.
For example, I do not climb on Ukrainian sites where all the time they throw mud at "unwashed", "always drunk", "Mongoloid", "totalitarian" Russia. It was bitter for me to read how my chosen president, after another conversation with the Russian people, was insulted and doused with mud in Ukraine.

[Conepatus]

Ukrosrach here arrange AFFtori who write such articles.
Based on what do you judge my mental abilities?

[Gecko]

I did not say anything about the mind, I said about your age and horizons that need to be expanded.

[Conepatus]

Well by age, I’ll be older than you.
About horizons is not necessary. I still received education under the Union and served under the Union.
Maybe a mathematician, or a physicist from me is not good (to put it mildly), but we were taught to look at things more broadly and think about the root cause.
About the horizons of many members of the forum, I generally am silent.
It seems that shkolota with WoT here at the prem earn extra money.

[Muxalet]

Your president is insulted by people zombied by our state channels. with them the demand is small. Beat those who impose on channels what and how to talk about the president of a neighboring country. By the way, no media outlets publish negative information about the US president

[ultra]

Quote: gecko

For example, I don't go to Ukrainian sites where all the time they throw mud at "unwashed", "always drunk", "Mongoloid", "totalitarian" Russia.

This is the topic of the lack of Russophobia in Ukraine.

[Sashko07]

I sleep and see how I want to go to the Russian Federation;

[ole]

As Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc. got it, life will be settled in your own country, you don’t give a damn about your neighbors, plant thieves, keep a clear economic policy, and people will stretch themselves.

[Opera]

Well, the provocateurs got out - policemen !!! Sleep for a long time! The Russian people themselves will decide in Ukraine with whom to be! But to be with most of his people, no matter how hard the Judas of all stripes try!

[Gecko]

In eastern Ukraine, a march was held for the first time in honor of the SS division "Galicia"
Only for some reason, many in masks and dark glasses hide their physiognomy.
http://www.lenta.ru/news/2013/04/29/galichina/

[Conepatus]

Yeah. In a city with a population of 685000 people, EVENING 100 people passed. Half of them, right after settling with them, got on the train and dumped at home.
Do you have Natsik?

[Gecko]

We have them pressed to the nail. because in a multinational state, nationalism is fraught

[Conepatus]

And they will squeeze us. What's the problem?

[a boat]

Quote: Standard Oil

How lucky the West is with the Russian leaders, all of them, as for the selection, are lounging before them, Borka is forgivable an alcoholic, i.e. a sick person, Dimka didn’t shine with his mind either, but didn’t it seem like you needed to go to the board for a label, or is it necessary?

face does not crack?

[Nomad]

Quote: xan

Kazakh, pull a log from your eye

Firstly, if you please, secondly, it’s customary to apply by nickname, thirdly, what kind of log are you talking about, fourthly, whose will you be?

[Marek Rozny]

This is a Smoke-like soul mate. one to one.

[motorized rifle]

Egoza pleased with emotions, well, she is a woman, but what are men emotionally emotional about? No Russophobia? I will not tell you for the whole country ... But at my house, my mother-in-law hates Russia and prays for America ... My friend, a colonel and a former special forces soldier, admitted that he did not let it slip through drunkenness that he was raising his grandchildren in hatred of Russia ... A colleague at work, a Jew, an active participant in all svobodov events, including actions against the Russian language, but he himself does not really know Ukrainian ... This is all happening in Kiev, moreover, the mentioned mother-in-law and a Jew, native Kievites, judging by photographs in the album, mother-in-law ancestors have been living in Kiev since 1865, nobles. And the colonel comes from the Slobozhansk region, the son of a Hero of the Soviet Union ... I have examples, it just makes no sense to list everything. I will just say to fight with Russia, well, at least there are many psychologically ready for this in Ukraine, believe me, a participant in many political events. Only if honestly and without emotion, then this is all consumable material who is convinced that he (or his relatives) has suffered through his beliefs and attitude towards Russia and the West. Naive fools, as well as those who think otherwise, if, for geopolitical reasons, it will be necessary to bleed, then they will let it in, do not even hesitate. Moreover, the incident at the border is enough in the form of a pretext, because it is no secret that border residents run around through it on their own business. You just need to "see" it. Either the same Russians where to cut, but at least tourists or fans, and hello, it's in the bag. On the other hand, if in Russia, there is a government that observes its state, then it is simply obliged not to let NATO go to its borders, but what means for this will be used, God only knows. Again, the situation is now very difficult for Russia in Ukraine, the late actions of the Kremlin are ineffective, Janek, merges the country to the west in exchange for guarantees of personal safety, betraying his voters, and inflating the Russian elite, Tyagnibok allowed him to play, unexpectedly pulled on his side a bunch of voices and actively climbs up. The country owes money, which means it is not free, etc., etc. Someone there wrote above that we do not abandon the wounded, and if the wounded man is deadly, and even tries to stab you with a knife when you save him? It still seems to me that attempts to influence Ukraine will be sure and the country will not be able to oppose anything against this, due to objective reasons, but the people themselves and each individual must still decide, then the possibility of manipulating them will be reduced to a minimum. emotions, according to the principle: what I (we) will have from this. Yes, let it be mercantile, but simply and honestly before oneself. And this will determine further actions and deeds. All the same, really, the head is not for wearing a helmet.

[RU_PATRIOT]

The influence of Russia on Ukraine is melting away every day, and all attempts to pursue an aggressive policy towards Ukraine look like a powerless hysteria. For new generations of Ukrainians, Russia looks like just a backward, aggressive, raw-material country. Until Russia deals with its problems - the inequality between the regions with their enormous socio-economic gap, ethnic hatred, a degrading economy, smoldering war in the Caucasus (ready to fall into full force at any time), it will not be attractive for any integration processes, so as it is not the vanguard of civilization, but its backyards.

[Vld]

Quote: Egoza

They do not favor Yanukovych precisely because he did not fulfill the main thing, what he was chosen for - for the Russian language and for moving towards an alliance with Russia. And he even began to live better. But he did not promise that YOU will become better off.

Believe it or not, I absolutely don’t care what language they communicate with me in, Ukrainian or Russian, I have a Russian wife from Novocherkassk, we watch films and often if the Ukrainian translation is better, then we watch the film with pleasure in Ukrainian, we don’t experience any problems in communication, daughter studies at a Ukrainian school. So the problems with the language are far-fetched, but we speak Russian everywhere and there are no problems when preparing documents, etc. No. I repeat once again there are no problems with the language, this is specifically written to you and I don’t care what language will be the main one.

[Muxalet]

All of the above are opinions, demagoguery, manipulation of facts, wishful thinking.
Facts are stubborn things. This year (2013) independent testing will be carried out for school graduates in general education subjects - 80% of students applied for testing in Ukrainian - 20% in languages ​​of national minorities (including Russian). By the way, in 2011, before the adoption of the law on the second state, in Ukrainian. 60% passed the language test. The generation that grew up under the USSR is passing away, replaced by a generation that does not know the “delights” of the union and, although mostly Russian-speaking, wants their children to know the language of the state in which they live. Perhaps this is an internally subconscious resistance to what the state imposes on us in language policy. Now in the Ministry of Justice. an application has been submitted for registration of the public organization "Ukrainian Russian-speaking nationalists", and marches in support of Bandera, the SS GALICYNA division in Odessa, Donetsk, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk..."The Orange" authorities can only dream about this...

[reserve]

A far-fetched article. We treat Russians as if they were ourselves, but there is such a fact - a huge number of plants and factories bought by Russians are broken down and do not work. In Nikolaev, the Black Sea Shipyard (which built aircraft carriers) was bought by the Russians and destroyed, the Ocean shipyard - while the Scandinavians owned it, it built ships. Now it was bought by a Russian and the plant is barely breathing, there are huge wage arrears, the Lvov Bus Plant was bought by Russia and there are also problems there. A thinking person involuntarily asks the question: is the younger northern sister friendly with us? That is why the number of supporters of the VO “Svoboda” is growing. There are even societies of Russian-speaking Ukrainian nationalists.

[Black]

Quote: rezerv

But there is such a fact - a huge number of plants and factories bought by Russians are broken down and do not work.

I'm tired, by God!!!! - what they think about us, what we think about them, what they think about us together!!!

we need to become strong, conduct a balanced domestic and foreign policy, we need a government that thinks about the country and its future - then everything will be fine with both Ukraine and Belarus. And the “reserve” is right - thieves and crooks are interfering in the Ukrainian economy, here everything that can be gouged, and they strive around. The old man didn’t let him in, and everything works!
Politics begins with economics.

[washi]

see earlier there was about LAZ.

[imrek_ua]

Let it fall apart, and to hell with it. My country has already been destroyed once. One more, one less. I'm tired already. ..........

[Restoration]

Almost from the beginning of independence, Ukraine has been closely guarded by all kinds of Western intelligence services and non-governmental organizations.
CIA employees were directly present within the walls of the SBU under President Yushchenko - most likely they are there now.
The West in Ukraine acts systematically and purposefully, implementing a specific program, part of which is set out in the works of Brzezhinski.
Russia practically does not participate in the social and political life of Ukraine, being, as it were, an outside observer and acting situationally. Should we be surprised by the current state of affairs?

[Alexan]

Crimea is not the Caucasus, Tatars are not abreks. For the most part, they are hard-working and trading people. You can, of course, send young people where it is beneficial for someone, but not so en masse. Initially, Russia’s vicious policy towards Crimea led to alienation from its neighbor. This is the resort “war”, when, not without Tkachev’s suggestion, the peninsula was declared either contagious or terrorist. Grab some land (not even real estate) and wait for better times. Russians don’t think about development or the future. Build a hotel near Feodosia and ruin the lake of the most valuable healing mud. Here you can do anything for a bribe! A policy of division must be pursued in relation to the whole of Ukraine. Unity is possible only after two generations, when the root causes of the strife are forgotten. It’s too late to put pressure on politics with the gas tap; we need to develop a smart, forward-looking system. We will support you from within, if you can see the purpose and interest in us...

[Misantrop]

Quote: Alexan

Crimea is not the Caucasus, Tatars are not abreks. For the most part, hard-working and trading people

Remember the not so long ago events in Simferopol at "Pnevmatika" (mass fight over squatter). This was not particularly advertised, but 90% of those fighting there (on both sides of the conflict) were... Tatars

[naguss]

The fact that more and more people support Svoboda in Ukraine (even in traditionally pro-Russian regions) is the people’s response to the policies of Yanukovych and his clique. The shameless plunder of the country, which intensifies with every year of the PR's rule, is what pushes the people into the arms of the nationalists.

[Mhpv]

After all, Russia also experienced something similar in the last elections - for anyone but EdRo

[slaventi]

Ukraine, like Russia, are not independent states, the occupation regime in Russia is stricter, therefore propaganda in the media is aimed at dividing the people. Ideally, it is beneficial for the occupiers that the east of Ukraine in cultural, religious and national consciousness becomes the same as the west, for which great efforts are being made efforts. Unfortunately in the west of Ukraine, in the minds of some people, Russia is an absolute evil, hatred of Russians is absorbed there with mother’s milk, although not by all but by many, for them it is worse than a Jew. This is the work of anti-Russian forces, which has been going on for centuries and is still going on now. Now in Russia the process of gaining sovereignty has begun, if everything goes well, then this will begin in Ukraine. This is the key to the reunification of the people. As for the west of Ukraine, we must not forget that the Rusyns (Carpathian Rus) still live there. They have not lost yet their national and spiritual identification, and close to us. I had a good friend (Tkachuk). He himself was from western Ukraine; after the war, under Stalin, he was exiled to the Far East, so he remained here. We found a lot in common. With Ukrainian nationalists It’s probably possible to come to an agreement, but not with those who are controlled by Americans like Yushchenko and others like him.

[fastblast]

The Poles are also indignant

The Seimas proposes to reconcile peoples by establishing a Day of Remembrance for those killed at the hands of OUN-UPA fighters.

Taras KOZUB – 29.04.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX

Radical sentiments are developing in Ukraine, which is why ideas of glorifying the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army are being thrown into society. The Polish politician, Sejm deputy from the Polish People's Party Frantiszek Jerzy Stefaniuk, the author of the bill declaring both organizations criminal, told the Zerkalo Nedeli publication.

“Over the past years, we have observed an unprecedented development in Western Ukraine of the cult of Stepan Bandera and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army,” Stefanyuk believes. - With complete silence from the authorities in Kyiv and Warsaw, monuments to Stepan Bandera and other OUN leaders appear in Ukrainian cities, streets and squares are named after them, marches are held glorifying the “heroism” of the UPA, materials are published denying the participation of the UPA in the murders of Poles.

The politician notes that he was prompted to prepare the bill by the need to recall the tragedy; moreover, in his opinion, we can talk about the radicalization of the entire Ukrainian society.

- This is the revival of nationalism precisely at the moment when the era of terrorism or some extreme views has begun, which then make themselves felt very painfully in many countries. It is necessary to condemn such movements, noted František Jerzy Stefaniuk.

In his opinion, the Poles want to live in peace with the Ukrainian people. That is why it is necessary to dot the i's in the general historical past. He proposes to do this by establishing a memorable date - July 11, the Day of Remembrance and Martyrdom of the “Kresovians” (residents of the eastern “Kresov”, Polish towns).

Let us recall that on April 11, the Sejm of Poland registered a draft resolution recognizing the OUN-UPA as criminal organizations that committed genocide against the Polish population of Eastern Kresy in 1939-1947.

The project proposes to recognize the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, the SS-Galicia and the Ukrainian police in German service as criminal organizations.

[washi]

establishment of a memorable date - July 11, the Day of Remembrance and Martyrdom of the “Kresovians” (residents of the eastern “Kresov”, Polish towns)
Doesn’t anyone care that the border of these rivers runs along the banks of the Dnieper and Dvina?

[Restoration]

Quote: Fastblast

The project proposes to recognize the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, the SS-Galicia and the Ukrainian police in German service as criminal organizations.

I remember that all military formations that collaborated with the Nazis during the Second World War were declared criminal at the Nuremberg trials...

[Garrin]

The comments of the majority of Ukrainian “friends” completely convinced me that the author of the article was right. The “orange plague” bacteria found their way into fertile soil and produced decent shoots. Well, that's a shame. But not fatal.

[Sashko07]

You are all either shell-shocked in Russia there or who the hell knows, but we don’t have fascists, NO, anoint it on your forehead and write it on a piece of paper so as not to forget. The fact that, for example, in a city of many thousands there are marches of at most 100-200 people, more than half of whom, having received money, immediately flee home, does not mean that we have half the country of fascists.

For particularly non-believing Russians, let me remind you that in the Russian Federation there are tens if not hundreds of times more fascist organizations than in Ukraine, that you are brainwashed every day on Channel One, this is your problem, tomorrow they will tell you that aliens have landed near Moscow, you too will you believe this?

[Misantrop]

Do you remember how many members of the CPSU(b) there were at the time of the seizure of power in Russia? And what about Hitler’s supporters when he came to power? The number of supporters matters much less than proximity to power structures. And General Pinotchet also put half the country on alert, overthrowing Allende...

[Garrin]

"Praise and slander were accepted indifferently
And don't argue with a fool"
Pushkin

[MG42]

Quote: Garrin

The “orange plague” bacteria found their way into fertile soil and produced decent shoots.

It’s interesting that the “Orange Revolution” itself is not particularly favored here in Ukraine, especially under the current government and the president against whom the Maidanists allegedly fought , even those who stood on the Maidan in orange scarves don’t particularly remember this page in their biography, because they are ashamed that they fought for Yushchenko, who in the end cheated everyone, it’s interesting to see at least one idiot in Kyiv in an orange scarf with the inscription “Yushchenko like that” , >>> except that the Dutch fans were orange, who came to Euro 2012 because their team played 3 matches in Kyiv, perhaps everything was about "orange". This page has been turned.

[Garrin]

Quote: MG42

It’s interesting to see at least one idiot in Kyiv wearing an orange scarf with the inscription “Yushchenko like this”

Scarves are scarves, but the brains are already washed. I am surprised to see the young shoots.

[MG42]

As for provocateurs, why should we be surprised? Regarding why games like < >, because the authorities in Ukraine are not doing anything special about the declared pre-election improvement in life (better life) and no, Yanukovych actually abandoned his electorate, with the Russian language = regional status, there is no improvement in relations with the Russian Federation due to the business interests of him and his family and also pension reform. And the Nazis have an ideology that the Party of Regions, for example, does not have, but the Communists do,>>> it turns out that the left and right radicals have something that the centrists do not. Therefore, there are prerequisites for centrifugal forces, which are also aggravated by the economic crisis.

[Opera]

Quote: Garrin

The comments of the majority of Ukrainian “friends” completely convinced me that the author of the article was right. The “orange plague” bacteria found their way into fertile soil and produced decent shoots. Well, that's a shame. But not fatal.

My dear, are you really so naive and don’t understand who you’re talking to!
Teska, come to Crimea, talk to people - you will hear many local synonyms for independence.
Ask how people live in an independent state? What are their pensions and salaries? What do they want?
It's better to see once than to listen to talkers! Come to Sevastopol for Navy Day - there will be no trace of frustration left!

[Garrin]

Quote: Oper

My dear, are you really so naive and don’t understand who you’re talking to!
Teska, come to Crimea, talk to people - you will hear many local synonyms for independence.
Ask how people live in an independent state? What are their pensions and salaries? What do they want?
It's better to see once than to listen to talkers! Come to Sevastopol for Navy Day - there will be no trace of frustration left!

Thanks for the invitation. I know everything perfectly. I spent more than one year at SevInfo. Previously, I visited Sevastopol almost every year, I adore the City and Sevastopol residents, I am from Makeevka, almost all my relatives are in Donetsk. So I know what I'm talking about. Thanks again for your kind words.

[denis90]

Odessa and Odessa residents are for the Customs Union

[pristav]

Quote: baltika-18

To do this, there are newly created special operations troops, the concept of the use of which implies activities in the territories of other countries, if there is a threat to the Russian population. An excellent opportunity will be to test them in action. The other day, the exercises were held, the men worked cool.

Let's hope there aren't many people with such thoughts in their heads...

Quote: domokl

Quote: nnz226

Russia will remember (and did not forget) that Crimea is Russian under international treaties,

And thereby become for the Ukrainians an occupier ... a forceful solution to the problem would mean occupation ...

I agree completely.

[Rink]

Quote: baltika-18

As for the Tatar Crimea, why are you grabbing.
Crimean population:
Russians-1 million 180 thousand
Ukrainians-492tys.
Tatars-243tys.

Oh?
Underestimating the enemy and carelessness always led to unjustified losses at the first stage.

Think about it: there are 28 million Syrians, but how many Jabhat-at-Nusra fighters and other renegades are there? a couple of tens of thousands, probably no more... And the result - you didn’t see Daraya or Aleppo in the videos?

Your position is one of carelessness bordering on...

[MG42]

Here is a video confirming your comment = interestingly connects the topic of Crimea, Syria and the Crimean Tatars

[Vako]

Quote:
“And while the parties are fighting for power, ordinary people believe that it is now important for each of the citizens of Ukraine to maintain their social status: high salaries, normal medical care, the opportunity to receive an education and good pensions.”
I hope this is sarcasm......

[Garrin]

The Lviv City Council has announced its intention to limit the use of the Russian language and is already preparing a corresponding bill. The mayor of Lvov, Andrey Sadovyi, announced this, the Western Ukrainian news agency Novyny Zakarpattya reported on July 9.

According to the new bill, the source notes, regional languages ​​defined by the “language” law, and in particular Russian, in Lviv can only be used after 22 pm and before 8 am. As emphasized in the material, this time coincides with the ban on the sale of alcoholic beverages. The following quote from the city mayor of Lvov is also given: “We already have experience in confronting phenomena harmful to the Ukrainian nation.

Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/1549560.html&utm_medium=adnews&utm_source=www.mk.ru&ut


m_campaign=adnews_campaign_68&utm_content=adnews_305371#ixzz2RsR0aHmS
Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.

That's it, "Brothers". Just don’t go crazy trying to prove that this is not Russophobia.

[revera92]

Are you as happy about this as anyone else?

[Grieg]

The article is correct and extremely relevant. The issues raised in it are reflected in more detail in my historical and journalistic essay “The Gallery of Cannibals or the Truth about the “Heroes” of the OUN-UPA,” published in prose.ru. Author: Grigory Shchavelev. I invite you to get acquainted.

[Marconi41]

In fact, the political activity of all Slavs, without exception, is practically negligible! In the Slavic countries, not even significant politically organized forces DECIDE! Remember the KGPP - only Moscow was making a fuss about something, while in all other regions they were waiting in fascination for the final decision. Same Ukraine! Kyiv frolicked on the Maidan, and the East of Ukraine didn’t even scratch itself. Belarus - everything is completely analogous. The collapse of the USSR - was everyone happy?! No, but they accepted everything as is, without exception. Everywhere decisions are made by the most organized forces, and ordinary people do not take action. So nothing will happen to Ukraine. Ordinary Ukrainian citizens will easily accept the “winner”, drink in the kitchens and accept. Therefore, Ukraine is not in danger of any collapse.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Marconi41

Therefore, Ukraine is not in danger of any collapse.

Strange conclusion. Using exactly the same arguments, one can assume that if tomorrow Yanukovych, having finally quarreled with Yatsenyuk and Klitschko, offers them to take a piece of Ukarina each and “get the hell out of the common kitchen,” then the townsfolk “will just drink and accept”... That is . catastrophic collapse threatens Ukraine tomorrow (from the same arguments)

[Sashko07]

Because we are a little friendly, and we understand perfectly well that any division of the state will finish off an already finished off country, even remember the Orange revolution - people were boiling, and boiling very strongly, but no one ran to storm the government buildings, rob stores, and even more so military units and warehouses in order to take possession of weapons, everyone understood perfectly well that we would stand, shout and disperse, but no one would destroy the country with a civil war.
By the way, in Kharkov in those days, people appointed by Russia tried to start this very war, dividing the country in half, but they miscalculated a little, the people did not support this.
We have nothing to share, we all live in the same country, some speak Russian, some speak Ukrainian, and some, like here in the Chernigov region, speak Surzhik, but this does not bother us, unlike Russia, where a terrible butthurt begins upon hearing Ukrainian speech.

[MG42]

Quote: Sashko07

in Kharkov in those days, people appointed by Russia tried to start this very war, dividing the country in half, but they miscalculated a little, the people did not support this.

Come on, when a crowd of angry miners arrived in Kyiv, they were simply stopped, apparently then former President Kuchma was afraid and gave the order to go back, otherwise they would have demolished the orange tents on the Maidan.
Orange romanticism was dispelled by the Orange leaders Tymoshenko and Yushchenko themselves, constantly trying to rip each other's throats out in the struggle for power. These public showdowns were observed by the whole country, and the 1st wave of the crisis and the jump in the dollar from 4,5 to 10 and the rollback of 8 UAH/dollar completely undermined confidence in that government.
Now the people don’t particularly trust any of the leaders, neither the authorities nor the opposition.
As for the events in Kharkov, yes, there was a fiery speech by the late Kushnarev and that’s all, rather, the main events of the counter-revolution took place at the congress in Severodonetsk.
Analysts are now predicting that if civil unrest in Ukraine occurs again, there will no longer be a peaceful scenario.

[Kaa]

Quote: Sashko07

By the way, in Kharkov in those days, people appointed by Russia tried to start this very war, dividing the country in half, but they miscalculated a little, the people did not support this

Quote: MG42

Come on, when a crowd of angry miners arrived in Kyiv, they were simply stopped, apparently then former President Kuchma got scared and gave the order to go back

By the way, the first separatists were the Lviv residents when they declared after the 2nd round that they refused to submit to Kiev. Where is the criminal case? And the answer was not in Kharkov, but in Severodonetsk.
As for “the people did not support”, “a crowd of embittered miners” is not our method. In Ukraine there are enough reserve workers and retirees to restore order without mass shows. But, just like with the USSR in 1991, no one gave them “Fas!” commands would have torn up the gop’s position like Tuzik’s hot water bottle. Because the United States threatened Kuchma and the Hague, and confiscation of the dough. I hope the experience is taken into account, and in case something happens, “We are peaceful people (now) but our armored train is still something what can..."

[RU_PATRIOT]

The miners are simply a powerless, infantile, gray mass; they are not capable of anything. They are downtrodden and intimidated - slaves.

[MG42]

Quote: Kaa

Because the US threatened Kuchma and the Hague, and confiscation of the dough. I hope the experience is taken into account

Regarding Yanukovych, his vector is now not towards Russia, if there is a tough scenario like in Belarus, for example, treatment of the opposition, then the association agreement with the EU will be covered with a copper basin >>> the AP understands this very well, so they are flirting with the opposition. As for those in power, starting with Azarov, they also have property in Europe and no one wants to lose along the path of Lazarenko.

Quote: Kaa

Lviv residents became the first separatists

The Poles are now preparing a resolution in the Sejm on the Freedom Party and condemnation of Nazism. I wonder if the Galicians break away, where will they join?

[Stalinets]

,,between Ukraine and Russia, nothing like that. This is pure bullshit. Between the Knesset of Ukraine and the Knesset (at least at that time) of Russia. And it’s hardly worth mixing with the dirt of ordinary Ukrainians, who, like ordinary Russians, cannot change anything. "The Ukrainian political elite is not even Ukrainian at all. She is at least Jewish. Like everywhere else, not just in Ukraine. And they have interests that do not coincide with the interests of Ukrainians. It’s time to get rid of cliches and taboo topics. Read or watch Eduard Khodos on YouTube. He talks about these things simply and bluntly. There is no need to widen the artificial rift between the Slavs. It needs to be eliminated.
""""And while the parties are fighting for power, ordinary people believe that it is now important for each of the citizens of Ukraine to maintain their social status: high salaries, normal medical care, the opportunity to receive an education and good pensions. "" - what kind of nonsense????? Who has them high? Ordinary Ukrainians??? The author, it seems to me, is either an ass or a provocateur.

[Sashko07]

Quote: Kaa

There are enough reserves and retirees in Ukraine to restore order without mass shows. But, just like with the USSR in 1991, no one gave them the command “Fas!” - they would have torn up the top position like Tuzik a hot water bottle

What am I talking about, we are not the kind of people who would tear the country into pieces because of politicians.

[Egoza]

In Ukraine they announced the creation of a “correct” nationalist party
In Kharkov, the creation of a new, only correct, nationalist party was announced. The statement about the creation of a new political force was made by the combat assistant of the “Ukrainian National Union” Oleg Goltvyansky at the fifth congress of this all-Ukrainian public organization, reports the Polemics special correspondent.
In the speeches of the leaders of the new party, ideas of racial superiority were heard, and it was stated that only people of the Caucasian race could receive Ukrainian citizenship, and Ukraine should pursue a tough anti-emigration policy.
http://polemika.com.ua/news-116414.html

[Stalinets]

Oleg Goltvyansky is a Jewish surname. Therefore, the party (like the BUND) is “nationalist”.....

[sudnew.art]

There would have been no division of Ukraine in 1654 and everything would have gone differently...

[do not burn bonfires]

I'm sorry but I didn't even bother reading. But I will speak on the topic. Half of my relatives are Ukrainians, I am Russian, all 5 generations are purely Russian, Rostov merchants, Perm churchmen. When I went to Ukraine, I also thought about the negativity towards Russians (thanks to the media). But it turned out on the contrary, they love us Russians there and don’t distinguish us from ourselves by ethnic signs, they didn’t spit in my back) I even wandered there at night (although I didn’t dare right away)) and I met different guys, but I didn’t encounter any negativity. But about the Tatars, and all kinds of non-Russian bearded men, I’ve heard a lot. All cultural places and monuments were covered by bearded men, wherever you go on an excursion, you always pay bearded men. As I understand it, they have an official organization that is responsible for the monuments. Naturally, bandits make good money. And they are also squeezing out land and apartments, crazy! The bottom line is that we don’t have to fight with the Russians, but with the local mangoloids, I personally have nothing to do with them, I even love this country, and would really like them to become part of a big family again.

[Garrin]

Quote: Don't light fires

When I went to Ukraine, I also thought about the negativity towards Russians (thanks to the media). But it turned out on the contrary, they love us Russians there and don’t distinguish us from ourselves by ethnic signs, they didn’t spit in my back) I even wandered there at night (although I didn’t dare right away)) and I met different guys, but I didn’t encounter any negativity.

Where were they? If it `s not a secret.

[Kostyan85]

Hello, I read the comments about halfway through and was a little upset looking at your squabble. I am writing from Irkutsk. Maybe I can’t see the relations between Russia and Ukraine well from afar. Perhaps. But now you remind me not of blood brothers of the Slavs, but of two grumpy neighbors who are trying to figure out who was the first to throw slops into the neighboring garden.
There is indeed a lot of information in the media about fascist protests in Ukraine. But I hope. that all the indignation of my fellow countrymen boils down to the question: “Could they really spit on the ashes of their ancestors who gave their lives for our future?” By the way, the same question can unfortunately be asked of the youth of some Russian cities in western Russia.
In our region, such performances will still get your head broken, and this is at best. But this is already lyricism.
I was especially looking for comments from Ukraine. And I was convinced that all this was fiction. People don’t spoil three nits. You also don’t break kinship.
So forgive Ukrainian brothers for such statements.

Is it really necessary to try to forcefully drag Ukraine to us? Can't brothers live in neighboring yards, work together, rejoice for each other and help in grief? Can one brother say to another: “Give me a piece of the garden, the folder mistakenly gave it to you.”
Of course, our states would live better together, but for this we all must realize that we are descendants of the same KIND, and not because it is written so in books.

And as for the poor living conditions in Siberia. They say there is no gas in the houses and so on. I answer.
We have a lot of coal and timber, so if you ask the locals. They never even thought about gas; it’s not customary for us to use it like in the West.

[Garrin]

Quote: Kostyan85

There is indeed a lot of information in the media about fascist protests in Ukraine. But I hope. that all the indignation of my fellow countrymen boils down to the question: “Could they really spit on the ashes of their ancestors who gave their lives for our future?” By the way, the same question can unfortunately be asked of the youth of some Russian cities in western Russia.

Young man, let's wait for May 9th, it's not that long left, and we'll see what happens in Lvov. By the way, the local regional council has already declared May 9 a “day of mourning.”

[Apologet.Ru]

I will not tire of repeating that VO “Svoboda” is the last of the Nazi bastards from the SS from parts of the fascist guards of Galicia, punitive mercenaries from the Nachtigal battalion and the Bandera population friendly to the troops of the Third Reich, operating under the slogan “There is no God but Bandera, and Tyagnibok is his prophet.”
And the so-called Western Ukraine - Galicia has never been Ukraine! Until 1939, it was a ghetto in Europe (in fact, it did not even have its own industry, however, as now) and a litter for Poland, Austria, Hungary and Nazi Germany. If it weren’t for the Soviet Union with its “moskals” in 1939, which made it possible for it to exist and be called Western Ukraine as such, and its inhabitants - Ukrainians (!), then these Europes would still be sucked off and proud this! And even now they mostly plow as guest workers with nostalgia. Throughout their history they fought against Kievan Rus, the Ukrainian Cossacks and Orthodoxy, therefore, in fact, they have no right to be called Ukrainians - rather an “Austro-Hungarian-Polish-fascist agglomerate” like the “eternal Jew”.

[Naval]

You are absolutely right, perhaps you couldn’t say it better. Bravo!!!

[Apologet.Ru]

When the Galician ruling elite speaks about the “unity” of Ukraine, one should be aware that they mean unconditional surrender to the ideas of Bandera, the SS “Galicia”, Russophobia, and outright nationalist totalitarianism. Her burning, animal hatred of the Great Ukrainian multiethnic and multilingual culture is extremely reminiscent of the behavior of the Pol Pot regime, which destroyed the ancient culture of Kampuchea and its bearers, turning the country into a large concentration camp in which the Khmer Rouge was killed with hoes for suspicion of “sympathy for an alien culture.”

[AntonR7]

Crimea should become Russian again, in vain they shed blood so that Khrushchev would give it to us with one stroke of the pen. And it would be good for the Little Russians and Belarusians to unite with Russia, since we are one people, together we are strong.

[Noni4]

“Good” neighbors sleep and see how Ukraine is falling apart. Well, well. Look in your own garden. The article is complete bullshit, written by some\\\\\\ for the next sracha. And the trouble is that the Roisians firmly believe in this. It’s good that they don’t everything(((Don’t be stupid, think with YOUR own head and not what they show you on the first channel. I’m tired of repeating the same thing. And this resource is for me \\\\\\\, because such articles appear here every day. Total good.

[Noni4]

The edited message does not convey everything I wanted to say. This is how such one-sided articles appear.

[O_RUS]

Quote: gladiatorakz

And I'm at home.

Did you voluntarily come to a Russian site...to chat? or arrange a **hole?

[Dimy4]

You may be surprised, but our home-grown intelligentsia also does not like Russians, since, having barely hatched from its democratic egg, it immediately began to instill in the people an inferiority complex.

[zbidnev]

Funny articles here. There were a lot of professional dividers. Something needs to be done with the Tatars, the east is good to us, the west is bad - to kill them. The most interesting thing is that the Tatars live in their homeland, and you want, like in Chechnya, to kill a bunch of people, both our own and others. And you don’t care that there are women and children among the population, you need to be tougher, why stand on ceremony with them. You have enough of your own problems, and national ones are among the main ones. Here they would solve their internal problems - the Sinicization of the Far East, terrorism, missile defense, population reduction and much more. They betrayed their allies - Libya, Egypt, Syria. And these people forbid us to pick our noses.

[Kievskaya Rus]

I don’t want to offend the Russian people, but all the territories of present-day Ukraine and part of Russia in the past are the territory of the Grand Dukes of Kievan Rus.