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What can lead Russophobic mood in Ukraine

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After the collapse of the Soviet Union, many controversial issues arose immediately between Ukraine and Russia. One of the most popular topics for discussion at that time was a link to historical events of the times of Kievan Rus. The Ukrainian political elite has constantly maintained that Kiev is the cradle of the entire East Slavic Orthodox civilization. In negotiations, the Ukrainian side demanded preferences for itself, ignoring the views of fraternal Slavic peoples associated with the common history of Ukrainians. No one could have imagined that after a few hundred years, the fate of Ukraine would depend on its division into the eastern part, annexed to Russia on the basis of the decision of the Pereyaslavskaya Rada in 1654, and its western part, included in the Commonwealth.


These events led to the fact that the once united people had a different culture, traditions, mentality and ethnicity. Eastern Ukraine has become a powerful industrial center, the largest metallurgical complex of the whole country. Enterprises needed a huge labor force and Russian workers from the whole territory of the Russian Empire, and then from all over the USSR, reached the east of Ukraine. The main language of communication was Russian, while Russian immigrants brought their traditions and culture to Ukraine. Before the accession of western Ukraine to Russia, it was part of Austria and Poland. And for these countries, Russia has always been an opponent. The Russian occupation during the First World War left only fear in the memories of the inhabitants of the western part of Ukraine. After being incorporated into the Soviet Union, the inhabitants of the western annexed territories for a long time fought the new government against weapons in hand. Most of the population of western Ukraine speaks Ukrainian, in schools teaching is in Ukrainian. In addition, the residents of western Ukraine are mostly Catholics or parishioners of the Uniate Church. The population of the eastern part of Ukraine is Orthodoxy and are parishioners of the UOC, which is part of the Moscow Patriarchate. The population of the eastern part of the country speaks mixed Russian-Ukrainian language. In schools, instruction is conducted in both Ukrainian and Russian. Eastern Ukraine is more focused on cooperation with Russia, and the population of the western part of Ukraine is anti-Russian.

In fact, it turned out that the country is split into two parts. The linguistic border within Ukraine is becoming more and more clearly formed, this is especially evident in the younger generation. The east and southeast demand to recognize Russian as the second state language, but this request is blocked by the west of the country. The gap is aggravated by the section on religious, geopolitical and civilizational areas of various regions. There are regions that actively require independence - this is Transcarpathia and Crimea. Donbass and Galicia are trying to impose their image all over Ukraine. They say that there are fewer differences between Montenegro and Serbia than between Eastern and Western Ukraine. In fact, it turns out that it is not possible to Ukrainize the whole country, it is impossible to establish good neighborly relations with Russia, a significant part of the population of eastern Ukraine does not support the decision on the country's accession to NATO, etc. The struggle is not so much between parties, as between regions.

This pronounced sociocultural regionalism makes senseless almost any initiatives of politicians.

These circumstances are used in their political game by the Ukrainian nationalists, who have practically 90% support from the population of the western part of Ukraine. In order to influence the political, economic and military situation in the country, the nationalists create parties that are trying with all their might to get into the corridors of power of the Ukrainian state. One of these parties is the Ukrainian nationalist party Freedom. Since its participation in the elections, this party has received no more than 1% of the vote. On the "account" of the party "Freedom" riots perpetrated in Dnepropetrovsk. The Ukrainian Jewish Committee claims that this party is fascist. In 2009, the people of Sevastopol dispersed a rally organized by members of the Svoboda party in support of their presidential candidate, Tyagnibok. About 300 residents of Sevastopol took to the streets with slogans - "Fascism will not pass." In 2012, the European Parliament passed a resolution on the Ukrainian Freedom party. In it, representatives of the international community pointed out their concern that the nationalist party became part of the Verkhovna Rada. The European Parliament recalled that racist, xenophobic and anti-Semitic views promoted by the Svoboda party are not in line with EU principles.

But lately, the Svoboda party has begun to rapidly increase its influence and has become very popular among the Ukrainian population. Thanks to the support of the western population of Ukraine and many Ukrainian politicians, the works of the nationalists were not in vain: during the years of "independence", a national intelligentsia was created in Ukraine that is extremely anti-Russian.

The western regions of Ukraine (Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, etc.) became the pillars of the Russophobic moods. They formed a front against the Ukrainian regions, pro-Russian set. One of the results of the Orange Revolution was the creation of a sufficiently powerful political electorate by merging voters in the central part of Ukraine, supporting Tymoshenko, and western Ukraine, which were led by V. Yushchenko. It is not excluded that the strengthening of the Svoboda party is connected with the plans of splitting the “orange bloc”, singling out zapadents from it, joining them to the nationalist Svoboda party, and there it’s not far from the arrival of the russophobic politicians.

The fact that this plan is quite real is confirmed by the recent elections to the Verkhovna Rada - three parties: Yulia Tymoshenko’s “Batkivshchyna”, Freedom Т Freedom ’and Klitschko’s“ Hit ”received more votes than the eastern and southeastern parties of Ukraine: the Communist Party and the Party regions. If the nationalists have a bright leader who can rally anti-Russian forces around himself, then, practically, his coming to power is a foregone conclusion. Moreover, in Kiev, the positions of the Svoboda Party are strong enough - a third of the Kiev residents cast their votes for this nationalist party in the elections. This means that the project of the final break-up of Ukraine from Russia is reaching a decisive line. It should be noted that the Svoboda party finds sufficiently convincing arguments for propaganda of anti-Russian, anti-Semitic views, which attracts more and more of the country's population, and especially the youth. The nationalistic treatment of the Ukrainian population is very dangerous for Russia. According to some analysts, it can even lead to military confrontation between the two states. Perhaps the Ukrainian nationalists are trying to bring everything to a small, even if not victorious, war with Russia. What this may lead to, we have already seen from the result of the Russian-Georgian military conflict in 2008. Georgia was defeated by its more powerful neighbor, but relations between the two countries finally deteriorated, perhaps for a very long time.

Ukrainian nationalists, in particular, the Svoboda Party, take time to process the Ukrainian population, because in order for the “brother to go to brother” it is necessary that the Ukrainians give up their relationship with the Russian people. Ukrainian Russophobic parties are actively pursuing the ideological treatment of their population.

Unfortunately, few people see that such activities can lead to the opposite result - Ukraine can be divided into two states either peacefully or in a civil war. This will be the result of a long split in society and aggravated hostile relations between the population of the east and west of Ukraine. So far, no political party dares to even say about the possible division of the country - because then there will be a real threat of losing Ukrainian statehood. Whatever the contradictions between the political parties or the eastern and western regions of the country, while everyone is united in the opinion that it is necessary to preserve the single socio-cultural community of the Ukrainian state.

In the meantime, the parties are fighting for power, the common people believe that for each of the citizens of Ukraine it is now important to preserve their social status: high salaries, normal medical care, educational opportunities and good pensions.

Materials used:
http://dentv.ru/content/view/russko-ukrainskaya-vojna-blizhe-chem-dumayut/
http://www.apn.ru/publications/article17537.htm
http://my.mail.ru/community/socializmus/4303827B8A848DDA.html
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 29 2013 07: 49 New
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    I am very sorry for the people of Ukraine, the contradictions inside this country are so great and grow more and more every year, that the Moldavian option, in which the country will split into two parts, is not excluded, only this process will cost a lot of blood
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 29 2013 08: 00 New
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      Quote: svp67
      that the Moldavian version, in which the country will split into two parts, is not excluded, only this process will cost a lot of blood

      In Moldova, this will not work, as it is not strange, but the most popular politician in Moldova is Putin there, something around 70-80%, this was the other day
      1. Apollo
        Apollo April 29 2013 08: 13 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In Moldova, this will not work, as it is not strange, but the most popular politician in Moldova is Putin there, something around 70-80%, this was the other day


        Good morning, Alexander! hi I confirm

        Moldovans called Putin the most popular politician
        According to a poll, Russian President Vladimir Putin became the most popular politician among Moldovan citizens, 74% of respondents gave preference to the Russian leader.

        link http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/4/28/630667.html
        1. domokl
          domokl April 29 2013 09: 03 New
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          The author softened his paints. Ukraine will not be torn into two, but into three parts ... Crimea will also become independent, most likely Tatar ... But in general, the conclusion is correct - Ukraine is on its way to the end.
          In my opinion, the next presidential election will be the end of the country. On the horizon there is only one type of politician who will be won by a boxer ... He suits him with his inexperience, his ambitions, his pro-Western understanding of democracy and everything else. Add not so dirty underwear and we get the new president as an independent.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 April 29 2013 09: 51 New
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            Quote: domokl
            Ukraine will be torn not into two, but into three parts ... Crimea will also become independent, most likely Tatar ..

            As for the Tatar Crimea, why are you grabbing.
            Crimean population:
            Russians-1 million 180 thousand
            Ukrainians-492tys.
            Tatars-243tys.
            "Will become the Russian peninsula of Crimea again."
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 29 2013 10: 18 New
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              Quote: baltika-18
              "Will become the Russian peninsula of Crimea again."

              And for many years it can become our "headache", like the Caucasus ...
              1. andrejwz
                andrejwz April 29 2013 11: 58 New
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                Quote: svp67
                Quote: baltika-18
                "Will become the Russian peninsula of Crimea again."

                And for many years it can become our "headache", like the Caucasus ...

                Crimea will not, but there is Russian, and we will cure YOUR “headache” ourselves.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 April 29 2013 13: 58 New
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                  Quote: andrejwz
                  Crimea will not, but there is Russian, and we will cure YOUR “headache” ourselves.
                  Boldly. Have you ever been to Crimea?
                  1. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 April 29 2013 15: 38 New
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                    There have been. I am sure that with the collapse of Ukraine, Crimeans from Turkey, Galicia and Russia will choose Russia. We will definitely help them in this choice.
            2. domokl
              domokl April 29 2013 11: 15 New
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              Quote: baltika-18
              As for the Tatar Crimea, why are you grabbing.
              Not at all ... the Crimean Tatars, unlike the Russians and Ukrainians, are perfectly organized, they are constantly growing in numbers and are gradually crowding out others from entire regions of Crimea.
              Underestimating such an adversary is archaeological. And at the same time, Russians without real support from the fleet and Russia as a whole, 9 is de jure illegal) weaker than even Ukrainians in organization and capabilities ..
              1. shark
                shark April 29 2013 15: 50 New
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                Do not overestimate the Tatars. They are impudent, because the Ukrainian authorities are afraid of them and do not want to get in touch with them. Well, the toothless power in Ukraine. What to take from it. If Russia acts decisively, without looking at the "democratic public", we will succeed
                1. washi
                  washi April 29 2013 17: 16 New
                  +3
                  Ukraine wants to Europe, and there already worship of Islam. Churches are being destroyed, but mosques are being built.
              2. baltika-18
                baltika-18 April 29 2013 16: 36 New
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                Quote: domokl
                Not at all ... the Crimean Tatars, unlike the Russians and Ukrainians, are perfectly organized,

                To do this, there are newly created special operations troops, the concept of the use of which implies activities in the territories of other countries, if there is a threat to the Russian population. An excellent opportunity will be to test them in action. The other day, the exercises were held, the men worked cool.
                1. WW3
                  WW3 April 29 2013 17: 14 New
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                  Gazprom can privatize Ukrainian. The GTS and, accordingly, ensure the protection of their property all the way to the military, and in Crimea there is a Black Sea Fleet base in Sevastopol with an extended lease until 2042, so that Crimea does not sail away from Russia under any scenario, and let the Crimean Tatars smoke bamboo on Mount Ai -Petri.
            3. piotr534
              piotr534 April 29 2013 14: 39 New
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              "Will become the Russian peninsula of Crimea again."
              It's time. And then Nikita was giving away Russian lands. Crimea to Ukraine, 5 regions of Kazakhstan
              1. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny April 29 2013 17: 35 New
                -14
                In which year and which exactly supposedly "native Russian lands" were transferred to Kazakhstan, a Solzhenitsyn fan?
                1. piotr534
                  piotr534 April 29 2013 20: 01 New
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                  Nikita Khrushchev transferred 5 regions under the jurisdiction of the KSSR that were previously part of the RSFSR. You’ll find it on the Internet, but I didn’t use the word PRINCIPLES.
                  1. Marek Rozny
                    Marek Rozny April 29 2013 21: 22 New
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                    Once again I ask - which areas and in which year did Khrushchev give us?
                    1. anip
                      anip April 30 2013 05: 44 New
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                      Khrushchev did not transmit anything to Kazakhstan. Over the entire period of the existence of the USSR, there were about two dozen territories transferred between the republics (not only the Kazakh SSR).
                      And if we talk about Kazakhstan, then it wasn’t even before the Bolsheviks. If not for the Bolsheviks, there would have been no Kazakhstan at all.
                      ..
                      It was originally formed as the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as part of the RSFSR on August 26, 1920, with its capital in Orenburg; renamed in April 1925 to the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. In February 1925, the Orenburg region was withdrawn from the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and transferred to the RSFSR, and the capital was moved to Kzyl-Orda (1925), then to Alma-Ata (1929). As a result of the national-state demarcation of Central Asia in 1924-1925. all Kazakh lands are united. Then the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was renamed the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. In March 1930, Karakalpakia was separated from it, later transferred to the Uzbek SSR. On December 5, 1936, the Kazak Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was given the status of a union republic with the name Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic.
                      1. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny April 30 2013 15: 55 New
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                        Well. At least someone knew on Wikipedia to rummage before clever about the transfer of land.
                        1) The Kazakh Khanate was formed in the middle of the 15th century, led by the Genghisides Janibek and Kerey. The Russian state had diplomatic relations with Ivan the Terrible and until the moment Kazakhstan joined the Russian Empire as an "autonomous republic" (in modern terms) in the 18th century. At the beginning of the 19th century, the tsarist government liquidated the khanate in Kazakhstan and divided the territory into governor generals. After the bourgeois revolution, the Kazakhs began to demand the return of autonomous status, which was done in the 20s. Before the famine of 1932-1933, the Kazakhs were the largest Turkic ethnic group in the USSR (both in terms of number and territory of residence), so in 1936 the republic became a union, not an autonomous one.
                        2) No "Russian" lands were given to us. On the contrary, in favor of Russia, the lands on which the Kazakhs lived were transferred.
                        3) Until the end of the 19th - beginning of the 20th centuries, there were practically no Russians in the territory of present-day Kazakhstan (with the exception of the military — soldiers and Cossacks and a handful of runaway Old Believers), however, after the start of the implementation of Stolypin’s program to resettle landless peasants in Siberia and Kazakhstan , the first Russian colonists appeared here, in whose favor, essno, the lands were taken from the Kazakhs. In the end, it all resulted in a large-scale uprising of 1916. The influx of Russian immigrants stopped.
                        Only in the years of the first Stalinist five-year plans did new migrants from the Slavic republics appear. But a radical change occurred under Khrushchev, when a virgin saga began, as a result of which millions of peasants / collective farmers and Komsomol members from the European part of the USSR were sent to Kazakhstan. We must also take into account hundreds of thousands of deportees to the Kazakh SSR under Stalin. From the moment of virgin land, Kazakhs instantly turned out to be a minority in their own republic - 30% of the total population. But already in the 70s, the outflow of the Russian population back home began - most of the virgin lands were ruined because they did not take into account the steppe wind erosion, and a lot of people became simply superfluous.
                        4) If anyone thinks which region of Kazakhstan is “originally Russian”, let him see the pre-revolutionary census of the population of these regions. There, the data are already given taking into account the Stolypin settlers. And even so, it is clearly visible that the Russians in the KZ at that time had a gulkin nose. Even taking into account the military and officials.

                        Z.Y. The Russians founded on the territory of the Kazakh steppe not a "city", but exclusively military bases - forts, fortifications. Civil Russians did not smell there until the end of the 19th century. It was then that they became a place for civilians to live, when the Kazakhs began to use Russian military facilities as a place to sell their large cattle. For this, dealers (usually Kazan Tatars) came there, so it was born civic start "Russian cities" in Kazakhstan. They finally became civilian settlements during administrative reforms and the transfer of former serfs.
                        Z.Z.Y. Omsk is the former capital of the Akmola region, Orenburg is the former capital of Kazakhstan, if anyone did not know.

                        So lovers scratch their tongue about "unfairly surrendered lands" Kazakhs in the time of Khrushchev or someone else - a request to read at least once something other than Solzhenitsyn and Zhirinovsky.
                      2. svp67
                        svp67 1 May 2013 18: 11 New
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                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Orenburg - the former capital of Kazakhstan,
                        Orenburg was laid three times and in different places by Russians, like a fortress - an outpost on its borders, and in which of these places did one of your khans put his yurts before?
                        In the 1730 year, the khan (horde) of the Younger Kazakh zhuz Abulkhair turned to the Russian Empire with a request for entry into citizenship. So, to strengthen Russia's influence in the Trans-Urals, an expedition was sent under the leadership of I.K. Kirilov, who was instructed to lay a fortress city. On August 31 1735, at the confluence of the Ory River into the Yaik River (currently the Urals), the city of Orenburg was founded. However, the place of the city was chosen rather irrationally - it was constantly flooded with spring floods. On 20 of August 1739 the city of Orenburg was laid down again along the Yaiku River in the tract Red Mountain. But according to the project of I.I. The Neplyuev fortified city of Orenburg should have been moved to the confluence of Sakmara and the Urals (Yaika). And it was at this place on April 19 1743 Orenburg was founded for the last, third time.

                        And to the question of the capital
                        Several times after the Great October Revolution of 1917, the status of Orenburg changed. From 1920 to 1925, it was the capital of the Kyrgyz (Kazakh) ASSR. In 1928, the Middle Volga Region was created, then it was transformed into a region, and the city was made a district. Since the 1930 of the year the city became a district, and only from the end of the 1934 of the year, when the Orenburg region stood out from the Middle Volga region, the city of Orenburg became a regional center.
                      3. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 22 May 2013 02: 06 New
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                        Orenburg was laid at the request of the Kazakh khan the Younger Zhuz Abulkhair, who did not have solid power among his own people and needed a fortress in order to hide from his own people in the event of a coup. Ordinary Kazakhs did not want to build a fortress on their territory, because they already faced with the fact that after that they actually lose their land, which was used as pasture for their many cattle. And the Bashkirs have already managed to tell the Kazakhs how the Russians control them (little good). Therefore, when the Russian builders of the fortress arrived in the future Orenburg region, the Kazakhs advised the newcomers to build in a certain place, which was actually very bad - this area was flooded with water every year.
                        The Russians pecked at the “clue” of local Kazakhs and built the “first” Orenburg. When, over the next few years, the Russians were particularly embarrassed by the spring floods, they had already chosen a better place to build a military base, and it was she who became the current “third” Orenburg. The “second” Orenburg was renamed Orsk.
                        Abulkhair did not have a capital (in the European sense). And in general, he was not the khan of all Kazakhs, but only the smallest in number of Kazakhs - the Small Zhuz, who lived and lives in the territory of present-day Western Kazakhstan and in a number of Russian regions (Volgograd, Astrakhan, Orenburg). On these lands the capital cities were at different times in Sarai Batu (Kharabalinsky district of the Astrakhan region), Sarai Berke (Leninsky district of the Volgograd region) and in Sarayshyke (Saraichik) - Makhambet district of Atyrau region of Kazakhstan.
                      4. Marek Rozny
                        Marek Rozny 22 May 2013 02: 07 New
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                        In 1925, Orenburg, together with the region, was withdrawn from Kazakhstan and transferred to the RSFSR. Thus a wedge was driven between the Central Asian Turks and the Volga (Tatarstan, Bashkiria). In the same way, Astrakhan and Volgograd are a wedge between us and the Caucasian Turks (Catherine the Second drove this wedge by building military bases and populating these lands with Germans, later Russian settlers). Northern Türks are also separated from other Türks by "Russian" regions. The Turks of the Russian Empire, and then the Soviet Union, are split by such wedges. And just do not say that this is a coincidence, an accident, and there is no "intention" on the part of the tsars and the Soviet government. Divide and rule. If the Orenburg region had remained part of Kazakhstan, then Tatarstan and Bashkiria would have long since left the Russian Federation. This was also understandable to the Soviet government in the 20s, when its position was still not so strong in the Turkic lands and there was a high probability of the Kazakhs breaking off from the RSFSR, especially after the famine of the 20s. The possible separatism of the Kazakhs would undoubtedly affect the situation in Tatarstan and Bashkiria. So they decided to enclose the Volga Asians from the Kazakhs by separating the Orenburg region from the rest of Kazakhstan. I myself am a native of the Orenburg region and moved to Kazakhstan only in the 90s. The lower part of the region is Kazakh, the upper part is Tatar and Bashkir. Russian massively in the area appeared in the last decades of the Russian Empire. Before that, Russians were usually only military and officials there. None of the Kazakhs argues that this is the territory of the Russian Federation, no one is going to revise the borders with us - this is stupid and it is fraught for everyone. But to expose the same Orenburg land to be “originally” Russian - this causes, to put it mildly, surprise on the part of the Kazakhs and Tatars. To call the Orenburg region primordially Russian land, at least find one tributary of the Urals with a Slavic name. By the way, the Urals is the Bashkir name of the mountains. The Tatars and Bashkirs call the river Yaik, and the Kazakhs Zhaiyk (with the Tatars in our language, the key difference is only in what we jack and they say: dzhigit - yigit, jets - yeti, jaman - yaman, Zhayyk - Yaik, and we have more plural endings).
                        In short, Orenburg was built at the request of the Kazakh Khan on Kazakh soil for his own needs, and not so that this fortress would later become a Russian city. At that time, Abulkhair did not even think that later this land would become the residence of the alien Russians and Germans.
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                2. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny April 30 2013 16: 01 New
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                  Quote: anip
                  If not for the Bolsheviks, there would have been no Kazakhstan at all.

                  if not for the Bolsheviks, there would be no RSFSR.

                  Kazakhstan was before the Russians. Do not make yourself the "creators" of Kazakhstan.
        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 18: 30 New
          -1
          It is necessary in the archives to look for documents on the transfer of the Crimea and 5 regions to Kazakhstan, there are probably legal inconsistencies with the Constitution and the law of the time, for which you can cling to and take the land back by law !!!
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny April 29 2013 20: 01 New
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            Before you start your search, answer a simple question - which areas and in which year were transferred to Kazakhstan?
            1. dannen77
              dannen77 April 30 2013 15: 45 New
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              I don’t give a damn to me in Kazakhstan. Crimea would be taken away by Russia.
              1. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny April 30 2013 16: 03 New
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                Quote: dannen77
                Russia would take Crimea back do not live themselves and do not give us

                The Chinese, looking at the Far East and Siberia, have exactly the same logic.
          2. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu April 29 2013 20: 30 New
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            From a dead donkey ears, not 5 regions of Kazakhstan .. laughing
      2. svp67
        svp67 April 29 2013 15: 00 New
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        Quote: baltika-18
        As for the Tatar Crimea, why are you grabbing.
        Crimean population:
        Russians-1 million 180 thousand
        Ukrainians-492tys.
        Tatars-243tys.

        The population of the Crimean peninsula is steadily declining at a rate of 0,4% per year. This is especially obvious for the Russian and Ukrainian ethnic groups, whose rate of decline is 0,6% and 0,12% annually, respectively. For comparison, the general growth rate of the ethnic Crimean Tatar population is growing at a rate of 0,9% per year.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 29 2013 15: 40 New
          +1
          What's the difference? The main thing is not the growth of the local population, but the number of our units in the Crimea and our opportunities for their rapid increase in an emergency.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 29 2013 16: 12 New
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            Quote: fzr1000
            What's the difference? The main thing is not the growth of the local population, but the number of our units in the Crimea and our opportunities for their rapid increase in an emergency.
            Yes, but what about Kosovo? The bros did not pass this trick, and the second time it became a place of their grief ...
            1. washi
              washi April 29 2013 17: 20 New
              +5
              instead of self-defense, these regular corrupt little brothers surrendered a long time ago and climb into the European Union. We have already fought enough for them. Enough. Let them try it on their own or are part of the Russian Federation.
              1. SASCHAmIXEEW
                SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 18: 45 New
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                If in Crimea they hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation, then it’s possible to move !!! And Ukraine, if it holds a referendum on joining, you are welcome !!!!! I have a question for the Ukrainian, what was their bad life in the Union? The whole elite was Ukrainian, and no one infringed on them, tell me honestly honestly, was it bad for you and the Union? Just your first one wanted to become the Chief and the rich, as with us, and they don’t give a damn about the people !!!!
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny April 30 2013 16: 19 New
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                  Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
                  If in Crimea they hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation,

                  Hmm ... interesting logic. And in what regions of Russia can such referenda be held? I would start (if the Russians believe that they can hold referenda abroad) from the Orenburg region - my small homeland. The autochthonous population of the region - Kazakhs, Tatars and Bashkirs will happily vote for independence from Russia. Tatars and Bashkirs will support this idea, because after the detachment of Orenburg back to Kazakhstan, the Volga Turkic autonomies instantly find themselves next to Kazakhstan, and, of course, begin to demand complete independence from the Russian Federation. The only thing that restrained and restrains them is that they are divorced from other Turks and are surrounded by Russian regions. Orenburg and other lands were not just transferred to Russia, but in order to cut the Turkic peoples of the Volga, Turkestan, Siberia, and the Caucasus. Between all the Turkic lands there are now thin layers of "Russian regions", which make the unification of the Turks pointless. Divide and rule.
                  And after the Orenburg region (and it is not the city itself that is of interest - at least only a thin line from Kazakhstan to Tatarstan, where Orenburg Kazakhs, Tatars and Bashkirs live), you need to do the Siberian exit to the Yakuts, the Altai Territory, access to the Caucasian Turks through Astrakhan (where the Kazakhs are also indigenous people) - to the Nogais, North Caucasian Turks and, of course, Azerbaijanis ...
                  Do you still dream of holding a referendum in Crimea? We need to think about what the consequences will be after this precedent.
                2. CTEPX
                  CTEPX 1 May 2013 14: 05 New
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                  You are CCC ... ineoky on our site)).
                  When did the Russians settle you were slaughtered?
                  CCC ... no-eyed)).
                  Well, if in fact ...
                  You sin everything)).
                3. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 22 May 2013 02: 12 New
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                  Sometimes it's better to chew than talk.
        2. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 29 2013 20: 11 New
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          There will not be as many Tatars in Crimea as there were Muslims in Kosovo at that time, because so much time will not pass. The fate of Ukraine will be decided much earlier. Now historical processes are going much faster than 100-200 years ago. BUT Russia must behave cautiously, smartly and strongly here. In the meantime, the opposite is true.
      3. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 18: 34 New
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        FZR1000 We are not amers, we must act according to the law, and Crimean Tatars need to be reminded that for good they must be paid in kind !!!
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 29 2013 20: 05 New
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          If Ukraine begins to fall apart, then it is necessary according to the law, and not to yawn, otherwise time will pass. But I, of course, do not campaign for any intervention.
        2. svp67
          svp67 April 29 2013 20: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
          FZR1000 We are not amers, we must act according to the law, and Crimean Tatars need to be reminded that for good they must be paid in kind !!!
          Of all the "good" they very well remember how the Russian Empress deprived them of their "business" as slaves and how Stalin deported them to Central Asia ... and for many this "memory" "goes wild"
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny April 30 2013 16: 25 New
            -3
            Remind me in which particular year and in which lands belonging to Russia the Crimeans invaded for the “slaves”? Do not bother poking around in the internet - Crimeans have not invaded Russia since the time of Ivan the Terrible. This Russia constantly invaded (most often unsuccessfully) into the territory of the Crimean Khanate.
            1. svp67
              svp67 1 May 2013 14: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              Remind me in which particular year and in which lands belonging to Russia the Crimeans invaded for the “slaves”? Do not bother poking around in the internet - Crimeans have not invaded Russia since the time of Ivan the Terrible. This Russia constantly invaded (most often unsuccessfully) into the territory of the Crimean Khanate.

              Listen to this question, it’s enough to look even in the “Wiki” article “Crimean Nogai raids on Russia” to understand that your statement is complete nonsense ...

              As an example, 1628 year (Grozny has been gone for more than 40 years) - the Kursk governor summoned I.A. Annenkov, who was already famous for his courage, who lived in his patrimony and entrusted him with the military forces of the Kursk nobles, children of boyars and other military people for the campaign against the Tatars. I.A. Annenkov moved with his army south, towards Belgorod and in 100 versts from Kursk overtook the Tatars, who managed to capture a lot of polonyans. Having caught up with the enemies, I.A. Annenkov seized their camp and, taking it, freed the Russian captives. But the predators did not relent and approached Kursk. Here at night in 10 versts from Kursk on the Vinogrobl River I. A. Annenkov defeated this detachment and captured Tatar chiefs “in full”
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 April 29 2013 16: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      the general growth rate of the ethnic Crimean Tatar population is growing at a rate of 0,9% per year.

      Over 5 years it will not grow much, and then it will be possible to reduce.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 29 2013 17: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        Over 5 years it will not grow much, and then it will be possible to reduce.

        Here is what the encyclopedia writes:
        The mass return began in the 1989 year, and today about 270 thousand Crimean Tatars live in Crimea. At the same time, about 150 thousand people still remain in places of deportation. The main problems are mass unemployment (its level among Crimean Tatars is several times higher than the average for Crimea)
        And here's what Wiki writes
        They live mainly in Crimea (about 260 thousand) and adjacent areas of continental Ukraine, as well as in Turkey, Romania (24 thousand), Uzbekistan (90 thousand [3], estimates from 10 thousand to 150 thousand), Russia (4 thousand, mainly in the Krasnodar Territory), Bulgaria (3 thousand). According to local Crimean Tatar organizations, the diaspora in Turkey totals hundreds of thousands of people, however, exact data on its number are not available, since data on the national composition of the country's population are not published in Turkey. The total number of residents whose ancestors immigrated to the country from Crimea at different times is estimated at 5-6 million people in Turkey, but most of these people have assimilated and consider themselves not Crimean Tatars, but Turks of Crimean descent

        Think 5 000 000 only in Turkey, but how many more are ready to stand up for the "half-brothers" - you can’t cut it off your shoulder, the area is very thin
        1. Stalinets
          Stalinets 1 May 2013 02: 20 New
          0
          And how many "chosen people" returned there from the promised and historical lands, together with the armed guard .... About this, no gu-gu. lol
    3. dannen77
      dannen77 April 30 2013 15: 50 New
      0
      I agree that the younger brother breeds like cockroaches, the difference between us is 13 years old. A teacher of Russian (foreign language) Tatar had to go to her brother’s school with her mother to understand it, she would have to hire a translator
  • nnz226
    nnz226 April 29 2013 11: 27 New
    +5
    Well, the Tatar Crimea will not. If the next “Ruin” begins on the non-occupied territory, Russia will remember (and have not forgotten) that Crimea is Russian under international treaties, and using its military units in Crimea and Sevastopol, will restore justice
    1. domokl
      domokl April 29 2013 11: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: nnz226
      Russia will remember (and did not forget) that Crimea is Russian under international treaties,
      And thereby become for the Ukrainians an occupier ... a forceful solution to the problem would mean occupation ...
      1. biglow
        biglow April 29 2013 14: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: nnz226
        Russia will remember (and did not forget) that Crimea is Russian under international treaties,
        And thereby become for the Ukrainians an occupier ... a forceful solution to the problem would mean occupation ...

        what occupiers, what Ukrainians, the majority of the Russian people live in Crimea, we just say thank you, and most likely the neighboring areas will catch up
        1. washi
          washi April 29 2013 17: 23 New
          +5
          Ukrainian citizens live in Crimea. Those. Russian intervention, without good reason, will be considered occupation.
          1. dannen77
            dannen77 April 30 2013 15: 57 New
            +2
            basis for the return of their lands squandered by "corncracker" protection of the Russian Russian-speaking population
          2. Stalinets
            Stalinets 1 May 2013 02: 28 New
            0
            For this, there is Special Forces. They do not only "languages" do waterboarding. And one more laughing often know how ..
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 18: 59 New
        +2
        No, just the owner will return home !!!
      3. dannen77
        dannen77 April 30 2013 15: 55 New
        -2
        what occupation are we now under occupation
    2. Stalinets
      Stalinets 1 May 2013 02: 25 New
      +1
      God forbid our calves ..... They, oh wei, quickly cut their wings. Now I'm glad it's KNESSET. Do not believe, check. However, like the Duma. To our great regret. But alas, there are no leaders capable of making a little pogrom in this herring stoned by the Rada. yes
  • pinachet
    pinachet April 29 2013 13: 15 New
    -2
    if Crimea is independent it can be taken by the Turks.
  • Mairos
    Mairos April 29 2013 14: 17 New
    +1
    There Tatars 20-25% of the population. How will he become Tatar?
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 29 2013 14: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: Mairos
      There Tatars 20-25% of the population. How will he become Tatar?
      Yes, according to the principle of Kosovo, there were, at the beginning, Albanians there were also fewer Serbs. And the same Crimean Tatars from "exile" returned to Crimea three times more than they were deported ...
      1. Avenger711
        Avenger711 April 29 2013 23: 34 New
        -3
        Unlike Kosovo, the Tatars can be crushed by tanks with complete impunity.
  • biglow
    biglow April 29 2013 14: 53 New
    0
    Quote: domokl
    The author softened his paints. Ukraine will be torn not in two, but in three parts ... Crimea will also become independent, most likely Tatar ...

    in the first, the Tatars are few, in the second there is no unity between them, they are purely formally united as they are divided into mountain and steppe clans or tribes. In the third, they as well as local residents have long been living off tourism and this is one of the reasons for peace in Crimea all these years. Land grabs have long ended. Another moment, unlike the Caucasus, Crimea is not great and the Tatar youth, even leaving for work in the cities, is still relatively far from home and, accordingly, one of the elders looks at their behavior and those wild trick which the Chechens sometimes arrange and others we almost never have. And many Tatars, seeing how Chechens live and how much the state throws money into the Caucasus, want to live the same way .. Not everything is so obvious and bad
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 30 2013 16: 31 New
      +4
      You should not get info from Wikipedia. Crimean Tatars are no longer divided into "mountain" or "steppe". Firstly, the majority of the steppe residents went to Turkey during the time of Catherine, and secondly, the evicted Crimeans had long been mixed up while they were in exile. They already have almost no generic division. No matter how much I talked with the Crimean Tatars, I could not find among them representatives of my family - Argyns, who a couple of centuries ago there were one of the main families. To a simple question to the Crimean - “what kind are you from?”, Most of them cannot answer.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 1 May 2013 14: 10 New
        0
        "Ottomans" - not Turks - were invented to fight against the Russians)).
        And the Crimeans - just chose the wrong side)).
        Like, as they are now trying to make a choice for Ukrainians)).
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 29 2013 15: 31 New
    +2
    Quote: domokl
    The author softened the paints. Ukraine will be torn not in two, but in three ...

    Calm down, this will not happen. And there are no "Russophobic sentiments" in Ukraine. And do not invent yourself all kinds of nonsense. Better come visit, from Western to Eastern Ukraine. See how people live and how they live, and how they think. And do not write any nonsense.
    1. Shawnee
      Shawnee April 29 2013 17: 00 New
      +4
      The group arrived yesterday from Belarus on an excursion. Palm Sunday, people go to church to devote willow branches. A young excursionist flew out of the bus with an exclamation "For the Motherland, for Stalin," but when she saw the crowd near the church, she stopped herself and fell silent. Nobody paid attention to her, because listened to the sermon of the priest.
      I saw such a scene.
      People in all countries are different, it is not possible to cut them under one comb ...
    2. MG42
      MG42 April 29 2013 20: 27 New
      +7
      Quote: Vovka Levka
      Calm down, this will not happen. And there are no "Russophobic moods" in Ukraine

      Slyly. It is enough to turn on the 5th channel and make sure the opposite.
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka April 29 2013 22: 25 New
        -2
        Quote: MG42

        Slyly. It is enough to turn on the 5th channel and make sure the opposite.

        I don’t watch TV and I advise you. There is so much crap that it makes you feel sick. I just live there and see no problems. And a few idiots can be found everywhere, in any country.
        1. MG42
          MG42 April 29 2013 22: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: Vovka Levka
          I don’t watch TV and I advise you.

          Well put the TV away >>> let's say you don’t watch it, but there is Internet that you use, go to Ukrainian. political sites and make sure that Russophobian sentiment is >>> I do not believe that there are all comments paid tyagnibokom.
          1. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka April 29 2013 23: 34 New
            0
            Quote: MG42
            / Quote]
            Well put the TV away >>> let's say you don’t watch it, but there is Internet that you use, go to Ukrainian. political sites and make sure that Russophobian sentiment is >>> I do not believe that there are all comments paid tyagnibokom.

            There are many things on the Internet, even on this site. Here you read some comments, you don’t even know what to say. Take, for example, the statement of Ivan Urgant in the program "Smak", which is on the mind in the language. But I am not saying that the Russian people are bad, but individual specimens, and God be with them.
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX April 30 2013 04: 49 New
              0
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              Take at least the statement of Ivan Urgant

              Statements of Urgant (with a claim to Zhvanetsky) compared with the chant of Verka Serduchka - childish pranks)).
              Moreover, Urgant laughed not at the Ukrainians, but at the tendentiousness of the presentation of historical facts in the history of Ukraine)).
              1. Mhpv
                Mhpv April 30 2013 11: 00 New
                +1
                Here Urgant offended the Ukrainians alone at once, and how many such "Urgants" in Ukraine are speaking in the direction of Russia - this is normal in their opinion, they can.
                He even found the courage to apologize, but these are not even going to.
              2. CTEPX
                CTEPX 1 May 2013 14: 16 New
                -1
                http://job-sbu.org/urgant-oskorbil-ukraintsev-svoimi-shutkami.html

                There was nothing to apologize for ...
                Unless for the "red commissars")).
            2. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 1 May 2013 10: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: ctepx
              Statements of Urgant (with a claim to Zhvanetsky) compared with the chant of Verka Serduchka - childish pranks)).
              Moreover, Urgant laughed not at the Ukrainians, but at the tendentiousness of the presentation of historical facts in the history of Ukraine)).

              You certainly have an interesting comparison. And about history, you know where no one knows the truth, because everyone has their own truth. I have a simple principle, since I love and interest in history, I read everything, whether I like it or not. And then I analyze and draw conclusions for myself. Read for example http://www.istpravda.com.ua/, you certainly will not like it, but if you wish, you can draw some conclusions and analytical thoughts for yourself. In the world, nothing can be taken on faith except God. Because they always want to use us in their mercantile interests, the war for the minds of people is ongoing. That from the left, that from the right, that from the West, that from the East and so on. But we are intelligent people, that is, we must think and reflect. We should not be rams, for the purpose of rams, go to slaughter. I wish you success and good luck.
            3. CTEPX
              CTEPX 1 May 2013 13: 48 New
              -1
              Fair? Your link disappointed me)).
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              Read for example http://www.istpravda.com.ua

              In Siberia, we don’t read this for about 8 years)).
              There is such a definition - the yellow press)).
              And about the conclusions and analytical thoughts ...
              I think for the BEGINNING you should read Fomenko (Ukrainian surname, by the way)).
              And then, if hooked, and you can talk)).
            4. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 1 May 2013 17: 05 New
              +1
              Quote: ctepx
              Fair? Your link disappointed me)).
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              Read for example http://www.istpravda.com.ua

              In Siberia, we don’t read this for about 8 years)).
              There is such a definition - the yellow press)).
              And about the conclusions and analytical thoughts ...
              I think for the BEGINNING you should read Fomenko (Ukrainian surname, by the way)).
              And then, if hooked, and you can talk)).

              What disappoints there was no doubt, she was not given for this.
              And I’ll tell you this: when I told my parents in 1989 that I had to withdraw money from a Sberbank, a loaf of bread would cost 10 rubles. They said that I was sick on my head.
              In during the "Orange Revolution" in Ukraine, on a robot he said how it would all end, no one believed me. And now wonder how I knew all this?
              You need to read everything, the essence is in the details and small details.
            5. CTEPX
              CTEPX 1 May 2013 17: 36 New
              0
              So now I know what to do in Russia
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              And now wonder how I knew all this?


              Vovka!
              Right now, I know what to do in Russia, so that the whole world is paid! (There are thousands of people like me, you know).
              I translate:
              as soon as the price of oil falls, we will devalue the ruble in proportion)).
              And what, I became smarter from this?
              By your logic - guess, but by our logic - change!)).
            6. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 1 May 2013 18: 10 New
              0
              Quote: ctepx

              I translate:
              as soon as the price of oil falls, we will devalue the ruble in proportion)).
              And what, I became smarter from this?
              By your logic - guess, but by our logic - change!)).

              "It's simple and uninteresting.
              A change? I don’t know, the main thing is not to break firewood, as the trend in this matter, however.
            7. CTEPX
              CTEPX 1 May 2013 18: 59 New
              -1
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              It is simple and uninteresting.


              This is not interesting to you)).
              And in the world for this, Julia sits and the war, the Third World War, is about to begin)).
              You do not catch up, sir)).
            8. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 1 May 2013 19: 04 New
              0
              Quote: ctepx
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              It is simple and uninteresting.


              This is not interesting to you)).
              And in the world for this, Julia sits and the war, the Third World War, is about to begin)).
              You do not catch up, sir)).

              Julia sits at a percentage of the contract, the old man climbed in front. Yanek wants him to drip from him, and Julia squeezed, and Russia does not want to rewrite the contract. That is all politics.
              Third world? Are you serious?
            9. CTEPX
              CTEPX 3 May 2013 16: 16 New
              0
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              Julia sits at a percentage of the contract, the old man climbed in front. Yanek wants

              As for the imprisonment of Julia and Janek, everything is correct)).
              But Julia is sitting for having handed over Medvedev)). Putin, by the way)).
              As for Russia ... What side is she here?
              Are you only to blame for what I want to eat?)).
              And the third world ...
              You know, the date of the second world is defined by Wikipedia as 01.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX)).
              And what about the Spanish “civilian” war 36-39? And the Japanese-Chinese 37-45?
              Until the 41st - five years.
              Now Syria ...
              Sound familiar?
            10. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 3 May 2013 21: 56 New
              0
              Quote: ctepx

              As for Russia ... What side is she here?
              Are you only to blame for what I want to eat?)).

              Who signs a new contract, he receives a percentage, there is no new contract, no interest. And Russia is absolutely happy with everything, it doesn’t matter to anyone who to unfasten.
              Quote: ctepx

              And the third world ...
              You know, the date of the second world is defined by Wikipedia as 01.09.1939/XNUMX/XNUMX)).
              And what about the Spanish “civilian” war 36-39? And the Japanese-Chinese 37-45?
              Until the 41st - five years.
              Now Syria ...
              Sound familiar?

              No, the comparison is not correct.
            11. CTEPX
              CTEPX 3 May 2013 22: 27 New
              0
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              No, the comparison is not correct.

              Your words, but to God’s ears)).
              Only then, too, no one seriously took fascism, as the Great Caliphate is now.
            12. Vovka levka
              Vovka levka 3 May 2013 22: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: ctepx

              Only then, too, no one seriously took fascism, as the Great Caliphate is now.

              Fascism was programmed by the results of the First World War.
              And the Great Caliphate? I don’t think Islam is very different.
            13. CTEPX
              CTEPX 4 May 2013 15: 54 New
              0
              The Great Caliphate is the idea of ​​Wahhabism)).
              Nationalism - it is also very different)).
              And the results of the Second World War, also asked something in the program?
              Although, I believe that you can explain anything after the fact)).
  • Gromoff
    Gromoff April 30 2013 01: 09 New
    +4
    No need to lie! Russophobia in the western regions of Ukraine goes through the roof, and under Yanukovych it became even greater than it was under Yushchenko! Paradox, but it's true!
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 1 May 2013 09: 56 New
      -1
      Quote: GromOFF
      No need to lie! Russophobia in the western regions of Ukraine goes through the roof, and under Yanukovych it became even greater than it was under Yushchenko! Paradox, but it's true!

      Do not be silly. I’ll tell you so that a lot of people in Russia and Ukraine believe that in Western Ukraine villages go with guns. Sometimes as you listen to these fables, you laugh to tears.
      Do not live by the stereotypes that have been imposed on you, because then they are very expensive for everyone.
      1. alex13-61
        alex13-61 1 May 2013 17: 18 New
        -1
        So no one seems to say that Russophobes walk with machine guns ... they just walk along the memory of Russophobes ... herds ...
        But seriously, I often had to ride the Chernivtsi-Sevastopol bus, on which one crew was Chernovetsky, the other Crimean ... so: the crew with the memory in Russian was better not to ask for anything ...
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 1 May 2013 18: 13 New
          0
          Quote: alex13-61
          T: crew with memory in Russian was better not to ask for anything either ...

          I don’t know, I often visit Chernivtsi and somehow I haven’t noticed any problems, although I won’t argue. People are different everywhere, this is also a fact.
  • 30143
    30143 April 29 2013 23: 18 New
    -1
    I support. They don’t know how to excite people. And the people already have immunity to all politicians. Russia so far loses in the struggle for Ukraine to the West. They thought that having crushed economically, Ukraine would crawl on its knees. But alas ... In pursuit of profit, Russian politicians and officials asked ... for Ukraine. In my opinion, the point of no return is passed.
    And about the war - do not dream. During the Holodomor, no one took up arms. Yes, an army like that in Moldova is no longer there!
  • washi
    washi April 29 2013 17: 12 New
    +1
    he was and remains the most popular in many countries of the world, but what's the point?
  • svp67
    svp67 April 29 2013 08: 20 New
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    In Moldova, this will not work, as it is not strange, but the most popular politician in Moldova is Putin there, something around 70-80%, this was the other day

    In Moldova this has already happened ... or you forgot that de jure is one country, but de facto now it is TWO countries ...
  • piotr534
    piotr534 April 29 2013 15: 02 New
    +4
    In Moldova, this will not work, as it is not strange, but the most popular politician in Moldova is Putin there, something around 70-80%, this was the other day
    In Moldova, this has already happened a long time ago. The Transnistrian republic is actually a separate state and this is significant, the Russians do not want to become either Moldovans or Romanians. And at the expense of Putin’s popularity, they simply respect him as a politician and lovingly look towards Romania and everything EU If not for the Transnistrian splinter in their ass, they would have been Romanians for a long time. This is just a fact.
  • Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. April 29 2013 08: 01 New
    18
    "the fate of Ukraine will so depend on its division into the eastern part, annexed to Russia on the basis of a decision of the Pereyaslavl Council in 1654, and its western part, included in the Commonwealth"

    The author should know that in 1654 it was not Ukraine joined, reunited united Russian people of Great and Little Russia.

    And somehow he famously credited Chernihiv, Poltava and Kiev region, who then waxed part of the Russian kingdom in the East, and the rest in the West of Ukraine. But what about the enormous New Russia native to the author, conquered from the Crimea by Catherine II? But what about Slobozhanshchina and part of the Region of the Don Army, not related to the Commonwealth, and before that to Lithuania, by no means? Careful and scrupulous.

    In my humble opinion, East and West are Orthodoxy and Roman Uniatism, which served Hitler in the last war, primarily against Ukraine. The section is here somewhere.
    1. Ermolov
      Ermolov April 29 2013 08: 11 New
      +1
      THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE ... EAST AGAIN TO TAKE IN RUSSIA .. AND THE WESTERNS A KICK TO THE POLES ...
      1. Basilevs
        Basilevs April 29 2013 08: 47 New
        +6
        Is it not too bold for the little girls from such a gift?
        1. Dimani
          Dimani April 29 2013 09: 20 New
          +5
          most likely Yermolov did not mean territory, but nationalists smile
        2. Warrawar
          Warrawar April 29 2013 20: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: Basilevs
          Is it not too bold for the little girls from such a gift?

          Just right - they will choke on this "gift"!
        3. dannen77
          dannen77 April 30 2013 16: 09 New
          +2
          it’s a kind of “Trojan horse” in a couple of years they will be unhappy there everyone will oppress them all there beat and hurt do not go children in NATO you walk
      2. domokl
        domokl April 29 2013 09: 05 New
        14
        Quote: YERMOLOV
        THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE ... EAST AGAIN TO TAKE IN RUSSIA .. AND THE WESTERNS A KICK TO POLES ..
        Judging by the fact that you are sitting on the Internet, and not at the shooting range, others will take ... And others will pour blood ... Such an interesting position ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 29 2013 09: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          Judging by the fact that you are sitting on the Internet, and not at the shooting range, others will take ... And others will pour blood ... Such an interesting position ...
          The main thing for us is not to physically fit into this conflict, since we will become “extreme” for both. In various political, material and other "non-contact" ways to help your supporters - please, but directly - in no case, this step should be taken by the opposite side ...
          1. domokl
            domokl April 29 2013 09: 38 New
            +7
            Quote: svp67
            The main thing for us is not to physically fit into this conflict, since we will become “extreme” for both
            That's just the point ... And the calls are just going to this. Pick up, attach, turn on ...
            Ukraine itself must either be born or die .. Here you can only help, but they are born and die on their own ...
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 29 2013 10: 05 New
              0
              Quote: domokl
              but are born and die on their own ...
              Sometimes, of course, this is facilitated, but the question is different, it is not us, Ukraine, who cannot remain indifferent to each other’s fate, there are so many that connect us at all levels, but we cannot make and make “sharp” movements ...
              1. domokl
                domokl April 29 2013 11: 24 New
                +4
                Quote: svp67
                not we, not Ukraine, can’t remain indifferent to each other’s fate, there are so many that bind us at all levels, but we cannot make and make “sharp” movements ...
                What are such sharp movements? The situation is such that Russia makes it worse with any movement ... We are now the very elephant in the china shop. We openly support someone enemies for half of Ukrainians, support another enemy for the other half (well,% 5 -10 does not count) The power option is the enemies of most Ukrainians .. Buy? How much can you feed the parasites? What is the action of Russia, which would not cause negative either in Russia or Ukraine ..
                1. svp67
                  svp67 April 29 2013 11: 27 New
                  +6
                  Quote: domokl
                  What is the action of Russia, which would not cause a negative either in Russia or in Ukraine ..
                  To make life in our country such for their citizens that others would envy ... Will such an option suit you?
        2. donchepano
          donchepano April 29 2013 10: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: domokl

          Judging by the fact that you are sitting on the Internet, and not at the shooting range, others will take ... And others will pour blood ... Such an interesting position ...


          Obviously, international villains continue to pit a single people among themselves
          1. domokl
            domokl April 29 2013 11: 32 New
            +9
            Quote: donchepano
            Obviously, international villains continue to pit a single people among themselves
            But is it necessary for these very international villains? Ukraine is so used to living at someone else’s expense that it can’t stop now. Read the Ukrainian forums - nobody blames themselves, everyone blames the neighbors ... Who is Russia, who is the EU, who is the USA, but nobody is Ukraine .
            The unity of peoples has long been in the past ... We, who still remember the USSR, are dying out, and the new generation has grown up in other countries. So we need to get used to thinking in other, non-Soviet categories. We live in different countries and in the future we are not expected to get closer and unification, and estrangement and neighborly living .. But what kind of neighborhood this will be is being decided now
          2. Muxalet
            Muxalet April 29 2013 14: 56 New
            +3
            But doesn't it seem strange to you that Putin earned 2012 times less than Obama in 2, our Yanukovych 4 times more than Obama?
            Can legs grow from here? and the authorities just need to pit their people, so that under this guise it is possible to accumulate (steal from their own people) capital ..
      3. Skavron
        Skavron April 29 2013 09: 28 New
        0
        again ... pick up ... sedative drink))
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 29 2013 10: 07 New
          +4
          Quote: Skavron
          again ... pick up ... sedative drink))

          Calm down, no one is not going to take you anywhere. You most importantly decide for yourself what you want and how to achieve it.
          1. Skavron
            Skavron April 29 2013 10: 12 New
            0
            Quote: svp67
            Calm down, no one is not going to take you anywhere.

            Yes, I’m calm, it’s vooooo that comrade was a comment ... to the picker, so to speak
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 29 2013 10: 21 New
              0
              Quote: Skavron
              Yes, I’m calm, it’s vooooo that comrade was a comment ... to the picker, so to speak
              You have enough of these, right here the main thing is to separate the "grain from the thaw"
      4. 30143
        30143 April 29 2013 23: 26 New
        0
        And you ask Uraintse-Russians from us whether we want to unite so that YOUR nouveau riches also profit and feed the bureaucracy. First, deal with your housing and communal services, eliminate barracks, gasify villages and villages, build individual heating units. The roads would also be nice to fix. And then Ukraine will see the advantages of Russia over the West.
        1. dannen77
          dannen77 April 30 2013 16: 14 New
          0
          whose cow would mumble and yours would be silent I live in the Crimea I see everything from the inside
      5. dannen77
        dannen77 April 30 2013 16: 04 New
        0
        not brothers they should do so
    2. Rink
      Rink April 29 2013 11: 48 New
      13
      These events led to the fact that the once united people formed a different culture, traditions, mentality and ethnicity. Eastern Ukraine has become a powerful industrial center, the largest metallurgical complex in the whole country. Enterprises required a huge workforce and Russian workers from all over the Russian Empire, and then from the whole of the USSR, stretched to the east of Ukraine. Russian became the main language of communication, while Russian immigrants brought their traditions and culture to Ukraine.

      Here is an example of the work of Ukrainian propaganda.
      New Russia has never been Ukrainian, and the Russians here are not newcomers. Obviously, you need to bring again the same card that has already snapped up:



      In addition, do not forget how many tens of millions of Ukrainians live in Russia with their own traditions and culture! (Well, I wonder why they abandoned their "promised" reedna nenka and went to the "hated oppressors and oppressors" - did not think?)

      Enough to oppose the previously united people!
      It is necessary to save unity!
      Ukraine is a brother wounded by an enemy on the battlefield. Enough of Russia and Belarus to stand aside and wait until he himself, out of the fire of a pressing enemy, gets to his trenches. The Slavs do not abandon their own on the battlefield, "perish yourself, and help your comrade!" This has always been our strength.

      Otherwise, these grant-eaters with the State Department will finish us off, and will take over the next one (Belarus, probably).
      1. elmi
        elmi April 29 2013 16: 00 New
        +5
        Quote: Skating rink
        Here is an example of the work of Ukrainian propaganda.

        And here is an example of Western propaganda, I emphasize not Ukrainian, but Western propaganda. It’s unfortunate that they weren’t crushed during the 2 World War.
      2. svp67
        svp67 April 29 2013 18: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: Skating rink
        The Slavs do not abandon their own on the battlefield,


        And how to relate to such news, this is fresh.
        Lviv Regional Council offers the Cabinet of Ministers to appeal to Russia with a request to compensate for losses caused by the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant 26 April 1986 year. This is stated in the appeal of the Lviv Regional Council to the Cabinet. 76 deputies voted for him with 59 necessary.
        “27 years have passed since the terrible accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Ukraine will reap the bitter fruits of the atomic catastrophe for a long time, which left behind the earth scorched by radiation, poisoned water and air, ”the appeal said.
        According to the regional council, the accident affected thousands of people who are now seriously ill.
        About 38 thousand people injured as a result of the Chernobyl accident are registered in apartments. At the same time, the regional council notes that the Cabinet has insufficiently financed the payment of benefits for Chernobyl victims. In this regard, the regional council asks the Cabinet of Ministers to demand partial compensation from Russia for losses caused by the Chernobyl accident.
        1. Rink
          Rink April 29 2013 20: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          And how to relate to such news, this is fresh.

          As well as the programs of the Echo of Moscow radio station or the Dozhd channel, or the march of white-tape hamsters on Bolotnaya.
          It’s just that in Ukraine the penetration of foreign agents is much deeper than in Russia, and there is no Putin.

          I’m saying that Ukraine is seriously injured. So much so that without the intervention of the surgeon will not survive.
  • Kaa
    Kaa April 29 2013 08: 15 New
    16
    The average Ukrainian is provided with survival issues from year to year, i.e. making money for the simplest things, food, which takes maximum time and leaves it at a minimum for the analysis of tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Therefore, the news is "swallowed" from 5-10 minutes of news on 1-2 channels. And they all either belong to the oligarchy, or grant sucking, or both at the same time and they are zombie in one direction - the EU will be generous to everyone. What prevents the Russian leadership from agreeing with the Ukrainian on allocation of frequencies and propaganda, with the same grants for magazines, ideas for integrating with I honestly don’t understand the positive examples-comparisons from the life of Russia-Ukraine. And brain reconfiguration is not a matter of one month and a year, and half of the population turned them in the opposite direction for 20 years and 2 years - as a result - 52% want to go to the EU, working in Ukrainian, but with a German standard of living, and 42% still want to in the TS, but a couple more years - and this number will decrease. Now efforts are needed to get a majority for the vehicle even in a referendum, then with a creak, but things will go. And if in Ukraine they know much better from the TV screens what is happening in the West than in Russia, we have such numbers. And private channels - they don’t care where they get profit from, what they order, then they broadcast. Is Russia really not able to “feed” the little things or outbid a couple of channels, large sites, FM channels? The game is worth the candle, Paris - masses, Ukraine - propaganda.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 19: 13 New
      0
      Our government is probably of little interest in this! She is only in words much and is not responsible for the words !!!
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky April 29 2013 08: 50 New
    +4
    And this is serious ... UPA march in Krivoy Rog ... Closer to the East of Ukraine ... I wrote about this before:

    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 29 2013 10: 32 New
      +2
      Grandfather is clearly a Bandera zapadentets. They were released in the camps after 25 years, and the most violent were forbidden to return to Galicia. But they were drawn to Ukraine, even Eastern, settled there.
    2. RU_PATRIOT
      RU_PATRIOT April 29 2013 20: 03 New
      +2
      Yes, the idea of ​​the Russian world is losing relevance in Ukraine. And the Russian language doesn’t stop being Ukrainian nationalists. This video demonstrates the joint march of “embroidered women” of Kiev and Lviv.



      Moreover, in the Donbass it is also becoming more and more spread.

      Ukrainian nationalism in Donbass. Football fans
      “Tell us what could be criminal in patriotism if we shout“ Glory to Ukraine! ”, And fans from another sector answer us“ Glory to the Heroes! ”And what do you tell us to shout“ Glory to the CPSU! ”Or“ Party of Regions glory! ”, - quoted edition anonymous ultras.
      http://bmkrliman.hmarka.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=135:ukr
      ainscienacionfutbol & catid = 37: arttemkat & Itemid = 18
    3. CTEPX
      CTEPX 1 May 2013 14: 02 New
      0
      Why advertise these "deceived"?
      All this party cost a thing bucks)).
  • alex13-61
    alex13-61 April 29 2013 10: 52 New
    +2
    First, a federation ... and no blood ...
    1. WW3
      WW3 April 29 2013 17: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: alex13-61
      First, a federation ... and no blood

      Hm. What is the principle of the federation in Ukraine? Well, Crimea is understandable, is there the status of an autonomous ARC, what else is the Donbass ?, so the problem is that Donetsk now rule and so why should they reduce their influence.
      What other options, nationalities prevailing Russia and Ukrainians other minorities do not prevail in certain territories, well, except that in Transcarpathia there are separate villages.
      An attempt once was when the Donetsk fell into opposition, but it did not lead to anything, so the unitary state remained.
  • bereg
    bereg April 29 2013 13: 45 New
    +2
    if this continues to continue as such, Ukraine will not be and the question is 2–3 years
  • angolaforever
    angolaforever April 29 2013 14: 37 New
    +3
    It is very strange that the Anglo-Saxons invested and are investing loot in the orange revolutions in Ukraine and in the "opposition", and Russia cannot conduct an informational and propaganda campaign and lead its candidate to the presidency of Ukraine. Is it really impossible to carry out such a large-scale operation in a couple of years and finally close the question? And the fraternal peoples will be well and leaders.
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz April 29 2013 20: 19 New
      -4
      Quote: angolaforever
      It is very strange that the Anglo-Saxons invested and are investing loot in the orange revolutions in Ukraine and in the "opposition", and Russia cannot conduct an information and propaganda campaign and lead its candidate to the presidency of Ukraine.

      I tell you a secret: Russia, too, cannot hold elections at home. And the people's president is generally fantastic.
  • vladimirZ
    vladimirZ April 29 2013 18: 56 New
    +1
    In fact, in one state, Ukraine artificially united two different peoples, with two different languages, culture, history, and traditions.
    Therefore, one part of the country assimilated by the Poles, and other Austro-Hungarians, seeks to the West, the other to the East to their half-brothers Russ.
    A way out of this situation is inevitable - the split of the state of Ukraine in two with the gravitation of one part to the West, the other to the East - Russia and Belarus. The eastern part will flourish in alliance with its brothers, the Western part will be the eternal bone of contention between Poland, Hungary and others, and, accordingly, the eternally vegetating outskirts of the West.
  • Oleg
    Oleg April 29 2013 19: 11 New
    -10
    Do not listen to these scribblers, Ukraine is now united as never before ...
    1. Genady1976
      Genady1976 April 29 2013 20: 26 New
      0
      It is necessary to take the whole of Ukraine and the point and not just the Crimea.
      Germany has united and it is time for our people to unite.
  • dark_65
    dark_65 April 29 2013 08: 06 New
    +7
    And the people themselves are innocent of their troubles? Where did the natives come from?
    1. Canep
      Canep April 29 2013 08: 44 New
      +2
      In vain minus dark_65 are question marks, but of course the politicians and oligarchs are to blame. And the native in power is mainly from the ITK (from the zone, and not from Chernobyl).
    2. Tatarus
      Tatarus April 29 2013 11: 04 New
      0
      The people are to blame for allowing pid - am to make pid --- owls out of him (the people). And no matter how Ukrainians shout here, we will come only if you call. But do not bear it. maybe you will like it.
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz April 29 2013 11: 19 New
        -1
        Quote: Tatarus
        But do not bear it. maybe you will like it.

        You liked it. You would not have spread your homosexual drooling here. This is a military patriotic site.
      2. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz April 29 2013 12: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Tatarus
        The people are to blame for allowing pid - am to make pid --- owls out of him (the people). And no matter how Ukrainians shout here, we will come only if you call. But do not bear it. maybe you will like it.

        Here is the paradox. My answer was deleted: No way to offend! Nizzya Tat-anus in his comment, resorting to an insult to the whole of Ukraine, point to his bit. Domocles issued a warning. Domocles, you open your eyes and read the comment I answered. And then write me something for the rules of this site. Or maybe the Tatanus decided to hold a gay parade here? So I am against !!!
      3. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz April 29 2013 12: 57 New
        -1
        Quote: Tatarus
        The people are to blame for allowing pid - am to make pid --- owls out of him (the people). And no matter how Ukrainians shout here, we will come only if you call. But do not bear it. maybe you will like it.

        Yeah. Again deleted my answer to this pi-ru. Selective censorship, however. Doesn’t really paint you. Like to show your wits and righteousness with a dumb interlocutor, Domocles?
        Tat anus wit is not about you, you have osloumiya.
        1. Tatarus
          Tatarus April 30 2013 11: 58 New
          0
          Well, I’ve been looking for you. Thank you for getting out. I am not against the Ukrainian people, I am against what the Ukrainian authorities are doing to them. And you seem to be out of this power and creep out. They themselves showed and punished. Yes you are a genius. laughing
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz April 30 2013 19: 47 New
            -2
            Quote: Tatarus
            Well, I’ve been looking for you. Thank you for getting out. I am not against the Ukrainian people, I am against what the Ukrainian authorities are doing to them. And you seem to be out of this power and creep out. They themselves showed and punished. Yes you are a genius

            Well this is what the hell you have to do to immediately offend the WHOLE Ukrainian people, and then write that I am not against it. Everything is clear with you balobol. You would be crowing on another site.
            It is not clear another. As this is a comment where people abusively offend no one has deleted. And my answer scum so removed twice. And a warning was issued. Question: what is the meaning of permanent anti-Ukrainian articles? Do they achieve their goal? If the goal is to scold the Russians with the Ukrainians, then yes. Then it’s logical to support people like this villain. Where is this way?
      4. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 19: 18 New
        +1
        Tatarus, and who is in power in our country? And how do we go if the liquidationists are in power?
        1. Tatarus
          Tatarus April 30 2013 11: 56 New
          0
          Unfortunately similar
    3. WW3
      WW3 April 29 2013 17: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: dark_65
      where did the natives come from?

      "He came from a nation as they say his boyfriend ..." wink , there was such a song, so as soon as the representative of the people becomes power, he becomes as Lenin wrote ".... how terribly far they are from the people."
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta April 29 2013 08: 06 New
    +5
    And while the parties are fighting for power, the common people think

    this is what multiparty system leads to. this is one of the requirements of our hamsters-bulkers. In the 90s I remember which parties there weren’t, even the party of BEER LOVERS in the Duma sat am
  • Septugian
    Septugian April 29 2013 08: 08 New
    +3
    Lead, they have already led to the fact that in some areas of Ukraine, the Russian is better not to appear, because on May 9 they threw a bus with veterans, burned flags, ribbons and yelled that damn! But not all of Ukraine is affected by this infection, and it pleases! We one people, and this is the main goal of the enemies to drive a wedge between us and quarrel! But let them smoke moss and go to hell, they can’t defeat family ties, and there are various renegades, so there were always enough of them, the family has its black sheep! unity is our strength Slavs!
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 29 2013 09: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Septugian
      that in some areas of Ukraine, the Russian is better not to appear

      in which it is interesting?
      here I go everywhere ... I speak Russian ... while something is still alive)
      1. The
        The cat April 29 2013 10: 04 New
        -8
        Quote: Septugian
        , they have already led to the fact that in some areas of Ukraine, the Russian is better not to appear

        In some depressed areas of Donbass, it is better not to appear at all, regardless of nationality.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron April 29 2013 10: 13 New
          0
          Fearfully? )))))))))
          1. Septugian
            Septugian April 29 2013 10: 26 New
            +2
            I don’t! I have a lot of relatives in Ukraine! And I write about western Ukraine, where the Upavians rule the ball!
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 29 2013 10: 52 New
              -1
              Quote: Septugian
              And I write about Western Ukraine, where the Upavians rule the ball!

              And it’s normal to appear there
        2. darya
          darya April 29 2013 13: 30 New
          -1
          And in Grozny or in Nazran, can a Russian settle with his family? You can not answer.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza April 29 2013 10: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Skavron
        here I go everywhere ... I speak Russian ... while something is still alive)

        With visitors who are "temporary" or with tourists, with spa guests will be VERY polite. Because they earn money from them. But those who constantly live there ... not really talk.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron April 29 2013 10: 22 New
          +2
          Well, I speak Russian and Ukrainian, with my partners from Lviv and Zhytomyr we communicate in two languages) With Kamyanets-Podilsky, mainly in Russian. And not only for work ... but also to drink beer. Girlfriend (online met) from Ivano-Frankivsk - only communicate in Russian)))
          1. ars_pro
            ars_pro April 29 2013 12: 39 New
            +1
            Everything is right, in the west, I have a grandmother from there, so they bought these upavs and their ilk like a bone in the throat, and the pro-Western power bought is also there, and you don’t need to row a lot of sane people on the west and I’m sure a lot more than Natsik, the question is that Natsik is at the helm and the corrupt power is what everyone suffers.
            And let the political steps of Russia for Ukraine itself and its citizens be in the key of integration, at least let them give a hint to people in Ukraine because ordinary people, if not Natsik, are no longer needed for the Ukrainian authorities, so 2 thousand schools will close news that are not comforting at all
            1. shark
              shark April 29 2013 15: 59 New
              0
              Here in the second paragraph the whole point of the problem. Russia should at least give a hint that it does not want to rob and help. Although it is very doubtful under the current government
            2. 30143
              30143 April 29 2013 23: 29 New
              -4
              Pіdtrimuyu.
          2. Technocrat
            Technocrat April 29 2013 14: 49 New
            -7
            Well, as it is known to bad dancers, something constantly interferes.
            Unlike many of these "Internet writers" here, I visit Ukraine quite often, I know firsthand about the attitude towards Russians. I give only one advice - behave as people and the attitude will be appropriate. Both in the Crimea and in the west of Ukraine. And there is everywhere both here and in Ukraine.
            1. WW3
              WW3 April 29 2013 17: 24 New
              +7
              Quote: Technocrat
              Unlike many of the local "Internet writers" here, I visit Ukraine quite often

              It is felt, managed to become infected Ukrainian. "В"Ukraine, in Russian all the same on Ukraine.
              1. Technocrat
                Technocrat April 29 2013 17: 45 New
                -8
                Dear, do not you teach me the Russian language.
                Be consistent even in your ... heat and write in Belarus, in Kazakhstan, in Azerbaijan. Well, if you show your stupidity so full. ProHvesory of Russian literature ....
                1. WW3
                  WW3 April 29 2013 17: 58 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Technocrat
                  Be consistent even in your ... heat and write in Belarus, in Kazakhstan, in Azerbaijan.

                  The answer is clear yet-one Svidomo Ukrainian.
                  1. Technocrat
                    Technocrat April 29 2013 21: 22 New
                    -8
                    My parents taught me not to be offended by the sick
          3. Mhpv
            Mhpv April 29 2013 15: 08 New
            +5
            Good afternoon Skavron!
            Remember how in the joke: "uh, buddy you do not confuse tourism with emigration" drinks
            Well, you can write as much as you like on this topic, and here in the comments there will be heated debate and nothing more.
            Indeed, many have long understood that Ukraine will not enter anywhere in the near future, do not join until it resolves all its internal problems and disagreements.
            Firstly, the presidential election and the loss of power for the death of the PR are similar. They, PR and Yanukovych, drove themselves into the corner of the ring with their own wagging in international politics and flirting with their people.
            Western Ukraine simply doesn’t let go of Eastern Ukraine; otherwise, Ukraine is rightly noticed here, it disappears as a state.
            The separation of Western Ukraine is also not profitable for Russia, it is practically expanding at least the influence of Poland and its proximity to the borders of Russia.
            Kaa accurately explained that people are less and less busy with the country's political life and more and more of their own.
            So this whole situation will either explode like ripe chiri or under the influence of competent treatment will come to naught.
            Well, maybe many will consider this point of view incorrect, but Russia still withdrew and took a wait-and-see attitude in Ukraine, and already in the Donbass pro-Russian sentiments are gradually disappearing.
            In general, as they say, we'll see hi
      3. Septugian
        Septugian April 29 2013 10: 28 New
        0
        Western Ukraine!
    2. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz April 29 2013 10: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Septugian
      led to the fact that in some areas of Ukraine, the Russian is better not to appear

      Isn't it hard for you to repeat someone else's nonsense? Would you rather think whether Russian can freely appear in all regions of Russia? And whose policies led to this?
      1. Septugian
        Septugian April 29 2013 10: 27 New
        +1
        It’s not difficult, because I know! In Russia, there are also such places, but the topic is about Ukraine!
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz April 29 2013 11: 01 New
          -3
          Quote: Septugian
          Not hard because I know

          Maybe you see the picture that the media wants to show you? Or is it so cautious in life? There are people who are afraid to go out or into the staircase.

          Quote: Septugian
          Russia also has such places, but the topic is about Ukraine!

          And who started this speech? And why are you taking part in it? If you haven’t put things in order yet. Analogy: a grandmother sits in a hut on a pile of garbage and discusses the neighbors for what she was told! That they seem not to have been swept up. laughing
          1. Septugian
            Septugian April 29 2013 12: 52 New
            +1
            I visit Ukraine every year, my relatives live there, so I don’t know everything from the media!
            1. gladiatorakz
              gladiatorakz April 29 2013 20: 14 New
              -1
              Quote: Septugian
              I visit Ukraine every year, my relatives live there, so I don’t know everything from the media!

              Especially. Why are you spoiling your relatives? Why in the near future to exaggerate the paint? Try to think one step further. What can your words bring? (Even if you sincerely consider them to be true, but this is not so) The Russian anger towards the Ukrainians and vice versa. What if a conflict? It’s all heroes and patriots sitting at the computer, and they’ll knock them out in the field at half the snot. This is not to the fact that there are no Warriors in Russia (they are both in Ukraine and Russia), but to the fact that they are not among the public calling for aggression.
        2. darya
          darya April 29 2013 13: 28 New
          +1
          What is good in Ukraine is the complete absence of khachiks in markets and stalls. And the best part is the janitors, builders, etc. we are not Tajiks.
          1. shark
            shark April 29 2013 16: 00 New
            +1
            This is your advantage. Do not waste it. I sincerely wish
          2. ultra
            ultra April 29 2013 17: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: darya
            so this is a complete lack of khachiks in markets and stalls. And the best part is the janitors, builders, etc. we are not Tajiks.

            They where there is more money! hi
        3. 30143
          30143 April 29 2013 23: 32 New
          -4
          I beg you, do not learn to live, help financially!
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI April 29 2013 08: 17 New
    +4
    The division of UKRAINE into two camps is an inevitable process. Too much controversy between the east and west of UKRAINE is a matter of time.
    Conductors of this process naturally sit in WASHINGTON and BERLIN, it is they who are strongly interested in BREAKING UKRAINE from the influence of RUSSIA.
    Armed conflict with UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS IS VERY EVEN POSSIBLE-given their aggressiveness.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 29 2013 11: 41 New
      -3
      Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
      Armed conflict with UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS IS VERY EVEN POSSIBLE-given their aggressiveness.
      I wonder in whose territory? In Ukrainian or Russian? Why talk nonsense?
      1. Lech from ZATULINKI
        Lech from ZATULINKI April 29 2013 16: 37 New
        13
        Talk nonsense - I would also like to be so naive.
        1. krokodil25
          krokodil25 April 29 2013 17: 53 New
          +8
          Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
          Talk nonsense - I would also like to be so naive.

          I completely agree with you, especially since the clashes have already been in Chechnya and Georgia !! angry
  • pensioner
    pensioner April 29 2013 08: 42 New
    +2
    "Georgia was defeated by its more powerful neighbor"

    I do not agree. Why is it suddenly measured with them power? Where is Russia and where are they. It was enough to say from Russia and everything is clear.
  • ATATA
    ATATA April 29 2013 08: 44 New
    +5
    What can lead Russophobic mood in Ukraine

    Yes, to what it leads to.
    With criminal inaction and connivance of the Russian authorities in Ukraine, an anti-Russian society is being formed.
    It is not enough for us alone Poland and others like them, even from Ukraine they decided to make a new Poland.
    The power of Russia is acting criminally, and the authorities of Ukraine are their Ukrainian Dzhokhar Dudaev, who is getting away with it.
    1. queen
      queen April 29 2013 08: 58 New
      -6
      Quote: ATATA
      Russian authorities behave criminally

      And moreover, "our" rulers talk with them like a baby. But all this is purely at the level of money. It is necessary to start from Sevastopol, then a chain reaction.
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz April 29 2013 10: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: regin
        It is necessary to start from Sevastopol, then a chain reaction.

        Begin with yourself! Stop drinking and after a year in your head become clear.
        1. queen
          queen April 29 2013 10: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Begin with yourself

          This is not your land, and never will be. Freebies do not wait.
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz April 29 2013 11: 06 New
            +3
            Quote: regin
            This is not your land, and never will be. Freebies do not wait.

            Yes, I never wait. The land where I live and my Rod lives - my Homeland. But such Internet "warriors" who shout about some sort of branches and pickups are enemies. And Ukraine and Russia. I can reliably understand that you have not been taught to think. And the media use it.
            1. queen
              queen April 29 2013 20: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              who are screaming about some branches and pickups

              Excuse me, what’s yours there? Or do you have what you created and it is flourishing? I won’t go to the conflict with you, I’m offended by you, I’m Moskvich, but also Tambovsky, I’m gouging for Russian land. Your Crimea, never.
          2. porevith
            porevith April 29 2013 21: 02 New
            -8
            still say what’s yours, Well, come and take it or you’re like a mongrel, just bark and don’t bite ???? And what a freebie ???? What are you talking about ???
        2. Gecko
          Gecko April 29 2013 10: 54 New
          +3
          Do not be rude, not at home.
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz April 29 2013 11: 21 New
            -3
            Quote: gecko
            Do not be rude, not at home.

            If this is for me, then I simply state the facts. And I'm at home.
        3. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 19: 32 New
          +2
          In RUSSIA they are now drinking an order of magnitude less than under the Soviets, but they live better, but worse than we would like !!!
      2. darya
        darya April 29 2013 13: 42 New
        +1
        You know, it would be better if the authorities sorted it out with Dagestan, otherwise the news from there is too similar to the Syrian ones.
    2. Rink
      Rink April 29 2013 21: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: ATATA
      With criminal inaction and connivance of the Russian authorities in Ukraine, an anti-Russian society is being formed.

      A little bit wrong.
      Not with “connivance”, but “with the assistance of state structures”, in which the State Department moles sit.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA April 30 2013 08: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Skating rink
        A little bit wrong.
        Not with “connivance”, but “with the assistance of state structures”, in which the State Department moles sit.
        Yes, you are right that way.
  • UFO
    UFO April 29 2013 09: 01 New
    +1
    The moment of truth must come! And then they are used to thinking: if a Ukrainian means “brother”, but how much, really there are “brothers” ??? request
    1. queen
      queen April 29 2013 09: 05 New
      -1
      Quote: UFO
      if the Ukrainian-means "brother", but how much, really there are "brothers" ??

      Many of the brothers who lived in Ukraine are already in Russia, since they have nothing to catch there, so the screams of their fascists are devils left over from their trough. They work out a handout of the West in the amount of 20 Baku. I want to eat.
  • redwar6
    redwar6 April 29 2013 09: 02 New
    +5
    Good morning to everyone, if it is still such.
    It is very painful to read this. Very. With the sum of the news about the blackening of the feat of Soviet soldiers in BB2 it is more than sad. I can’t write more, my hand does not rise.
  • Kolya
    Kolya April 29 2013 09: 12 New
    +3
    Why sculpt something that does not mold? What is one Ukrainian people? Even the language of Eastern Ukraine has more similarities with Russian than with Western Ukrainian! Why let people hostage the population in eastern Ukraine? There is genocide happening now!
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 29 2013 09: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Kohl
      There is genocide happening now!

      ahahaha ... you do not smoke any rubbish anymore)
    2. ATATA
      ATATA April 29 2013 09: 35 New
      +7
      Quote: Kohl
      Why sculpt something that does not mold? What is one Ukrainian people? Even the language of Eastern Ukraine has more similarities with Russian than with Western Ukrainian! Why let people hostage the population in eastern Ukraine? There is genocide happening now!

      Golden words!
      But I will answer why. For the same reason for which the criminals divide the territory, so that other tributes from their part would not interfere with collecting tributes.
      They hold us all for suckers and season their scam with sweet ears about democracy and freedom!
    3. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz April 29 2013 10: 24 New
      -8
      Quote: Kohl
      Why let people hostage the population in eastern Ukraine? There is genocide happening now!

      Kohl on your profile picture brains hidden in a box? Judging by the set of letters in your comment, this is your life credo.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 April 29 2013 09: 18 New
    +7
    The people are suffering Yanukovych and Azarov are "thinking", they will wait that God forbid the civil war begins ... Here the Anglo-Saxons will rejoice ... After all, the split of a single Slavic state is their dream, their goal.
    Bilderberg goals

    The main goal of the group is the creation of a "Single World Government (global corporation) with one global market, the security of which will be ensured by the global world army, and financial regulation of one (world) Central Bank using a single world currency." Their “wish list” includes:

    - “a single international identity with a commitment to universal values”;

    - centralized control over the world community with the help of "control of the brain", in other words, with the help of control over the world public opinion;

    - The New World Order without any middle class, only “rulers and servants”, and of course, no democracy;

    - “zero population growth”, no prosperity and progress, only ever-increasing power and influence for rulers;

    - crises of production and endless wars;

    - absolute control over education in order to program public consciousness and distribution into pre-assigned roles;

    - “centralization of control over domestic and foreign policy”, all under one standard;

    - use of the UN as a de facto world government taxing “citizens of the world”;

    - the expansion of globalization of the CCST (North American Free Trade Agreement) and the WTO;

    - promotion of NATO as a world armed forces;

    - the introduction of a universal legal system and

    - global "prosperous state, where humble slaves will be claimed, and non-conformists will be destroyed."

    It’s time for Ukraine in the CU and not as an “observer”, but as a partner!
  • Good man
    Good man April 29 2013 09: 38 New
    -3
    100500 article about the same and in the same place. No new ideas, no new facts. Only this author writes a dozen or two such articles in a year.
    PS The author is enough to write about two of Ukraine at least three of them. And central Ukraine is even more western. Correct your template and stop turning around !!
  • kosmos84
    kosmos84 April 29 2013 09: 41 New
    +3
    look 500 from the truth about Ukraine (like on the forum was)
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 29 2013 11: 40 New
      -1
      Recently I watched a TV report on LAZ plant, as soon as Russian capital and a manager came there, everything began to get better, but the local city administration lost their senses, they say Russian in Lviv? and began to put sticks in the wheels.
      http://www.laz.ua/ru/about/upr_komp/

      According to UNIAN, on March 12, the chairman of the supervisory board of City Transport Group, which is the LAZ management company, Igor Churkin accused Lviv city authorities of not wanting to pay off debts to the company in the amount of UAH 25 million for 30 buses delivered to the city by Euro- 2012.
      Read more here: http://www.unian.net/news/565468-laz-naotrez-otkazyivaetsya-remontirovat-svoi-av
      tobusyi-dlya-lvova.html
  • Opera
    Opera April 29 2013 09: 42 New
    +3
    The trouble is the absence of a single organization, a party defending the interests of the east and south of Ukraine! What does the CPU do not know! I do not see!
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 29 2013 09: 54 New
      0
      Simonenko, it’s time to retire for a long time ... there will be something to do with a young wife.
      A CPU needs rebrading ... at least ... otherwise they already cause heartburn in me.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 29 2013 10: 11 New
      +5
      Quote: Oper
      What does the CPU do not know! I do not see!

      The Communist Party of Ukraine in Rada is trying to block those laws that are harmful to all residents. On the ground there are Aleksandrovskaya (Kharkov), Tsarkov (Odessa) and others. But the reputation of the Communist Party of Ukraine Kravchuk is too tarnished.
      1. Good man
        Good man April 29 2013 10: 50 New
        -4
        Quote: Egoza
        But the reputation of the Communist Party of Ukraine Kravchuk is too tarnished.

        Have you seen Simonenko’s palace near Kiev?
      2. WW3
        WW3 April 29 2013 18: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        But the reputation of the Communist Party of Ukraine Kravchuk is too tarnished

        A leading position in the days of the USSR, all the more so since Kravchuk could not be occupied without being a member of the CPSU, a person who changed his worldview is an opportunist. Kravchuk also participated in the collapse of the USSR, so everything is clear with him.
  • Skavron
    Skavron April 29 2013 09: 49 New
    +7
    Damn ... how did he get Boval with his nagging.
    Where did he see so much Russophobia? On TV? Or online? It is ... yes ... it is. There is Russophobia in Ukraine and this cannot be argued. There are Russophobes in Kiev, and in the Dnieper, and in Lugansk and ... even in Sevastopol there is (recently cursed with one in LiveJournal, until he banned me) But is it all so scary as the author draws? At the memory they are quite loyal to Russians and Russian speakers. Personally checked.
    But the fact that these people are actively using the media space, and thereby create the appearance of total Russophobia in Ukraine. Somehow, none of the forum users-commentators think about this. This is sad.
    And 10% of Tyagnibok’s election is not nationalism in Ukraine. This is a spit in the current government and personally SEE, Yatsenyuk and other "former" ... it is "to the evil conductor, I will go on foot", this is the absence of real patriotic leaders in Ukraine.
    And this, of course, is sad ...
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus April 29 2013 10: 45 New
      +2
      10prots.for Tyagnibok is our people so joked.
      Once in Russia, Zhirinovsky’s party also won the election. The West is in shock. How could this happen? Misha Zadornov reassured. He says that it’s okay, people joked with us like that. He joked with us too. smile
    2. seafarer
      seafarer April 29 2013 11: 04 New
      +1
      On TV there is not a single Ukrainian channelthat would not exude the poison of Ukrainian nationalism.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron April 29 2013 11: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: seafarer
        There is no Ukrainian channel on TV

        TV is a show! Tv is ratings. Plebs does not like boredom, give them the hysterical Farion, give them the “passion for Tymoshenko,” give them the research of modern Ukrainian “historians” ... it’s srach, and where there is shame, there are always ratings.
        Please note ... in nationalist articles on VO - solid srach and comments go off scale.
        The more comments, the higher the rating, the higher the rating, the more views, the more views, the more you can get off the advertiser ... is the chain clear?
      2. Conepatus
        Conepatus April 29 2013 11: 18 New
        +3
        Who holds TV channels around the world?
        During the first Chechen company, weren't Russian TV channels crap on your army?
        This is a worldwide conspiracy !!!!!! hi
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 19: 43 New
          +1
          Gold words!!! And our common goal is to fight against the liquidationists everywhere in Ukraine and in RUSSIA !!!
    3. imrek_ua
      imrek_ua April 29 2013 14: 58 New
      +2
      Moreover, these 10% are from the number of voters. And 58% voted. That is, in fact, 5,8%.
    4. Mefodiy
      Mefodiy April 30 2013 10: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Skavron

      And 10% of Tyagnibok’s election is not nationalism in Ukraine. This is a spit in the current government and personally SEE, Yatsenyuk and other "former" ... it is "to the evil conductor, I will go on foot", this is the absence of real patriotic leaders in Ukraine.
      And this, of course, is sad ...

      THAT'S FOR SURE!
  • Vld
    Vld April 29 2013 10: 04 New
    13
    Good day forum users. I want to share my opinion on this article. I myself live in Mariupol (Donetsk region, eastern Ukraine). I’ve been reading this site for a long time, it’s very interesting to read articles about Ukraine and it just surprises me how much incorrectly shows in our media what is happening with us. I’ll open your eyes to you, I’m an adult, I have many friends, including those from western Ukraine, but no one is hostile to anyone, they treat Russians only positively (you can also have a drink together), but who told you that Russians hate what kind of nonsense is written on your forum. I won’t lie, but most of my friends would like to live better, so I think that the EU is better than the TS, I repeat once again I grew up and live in Mariupol (this is the east of Ukraine, the largest industrial center).
    It would be better if your media wrote about the advantages of the TS, advertised those opportunities that might appear, rather than scum Ukraine, and you would see those who would support the TS.
    Yes, and I do not support our nationalists such as Freedom, but I also do not vote for the regionals. By the way, how strange it will sound, but Yanukovych is also not particularly favored by us, during his reign it did not become better to live.
    For a long time I did not want to register on the forum, I did not want to be much minus))). But now it’s just become interesting to see how many people adequately perceive the situation on the forum.
    And my personal opinion is that if Russia refuses to cooperate in most areas of industry, it will do it herself sideways - most of the goods produced in Ukraine can be replaced, but it’s hard to establish connections again (using the same gas as an example).
    Well, in conclusion, from myself I’ll add, read less of such nonsense that is written in this article. And for those who think differently, then let them read our media, this is also useful)))
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 29 2013 10: 16 New
      0
      Man, let my "+" be the first !!!
      Good, fair and correct comment.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 29 2013 10: 29 New
      10
      Quote: Vld
      but who told you that Russians hate

      It’s good that you have such good friends. But I personally saw how the girl was stabbed in the back in the evening in Lviv. And only because she spoke Russian.
      Quote: Vld
      It would be better if your media wrote about the benefits of the TS,

      Yes, they already talk so much about them, but you also need to hear, and not dream of Europe.
      Quote: Vld
      Yanukovych is also not particularly favored by us

      They do not favor Yanukovych precisely because he did not fulfill the main thing, what he was chosen for - for the Russian language and for moving towards an alliance with Russia. And he even began to live better. But he did not promise that YOU will become better off. laughing
      Quote: Vld
      And for those who think differently, then let them read our media, this is also useful)))

      Yeah! And especially komenty to articles! On the sites Today, Polemic, Versions, 2000, for example, about rallies that, according to the Oppa, gather thousands of 8-10 thousands, and according to police, exactly 10 times less. laughing
      “You will have to mold (Tyagniboku) your 6 millions of Galicians, who are ready to stand under a gun, divide by two. From the east, they give out kicks from Russia, from the west they’ll saddle horses. Or maybe Belarusians wake up and remember Khatyn - that’s the danger from the north Where to go to a poor banderlog? In the Carpathians, they cut down the forest and did not really hide. Only to the ground)))))))) Damn, see the shovels rise in price. Who has a batch of shovels? Urgent to Lemberg! "
      1. Good man
        Good man April 29 2013 10: 56 New
        -5
        Quote: Egoza
        It’s good that you have such good friends. But I personally saw how the girl was stabbed in the back in the evening in Lviv. And only because she spoke Russian.

        . There, a third of the city are Russian-speaking tourists from the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Go incite ethnic hatred with these crazy tales to kindergarten.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza April 29 2013 11: 37 New
          +5
          Quote: Good man
          There, a third of the city are Russian-speaking tourists from the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

          That's it! TOURISTS! From which money is taken. Because they suffer. And what was in front of my eyes was what it was.
          1. Mefodiy
            Mefodiy April 29 2013 14: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: Egoza

            And what was in front of my eyes was what it was.

            When it was? When did you personally see? In 1944? Walk in the center of Lviv - approx. 30% -50% Russian language or surzhik.
            By the way, when I maintained close contacts with my friends after the demobilization and they came to visit me (from Donbas, Siberia, Rostov, the Urals) and we, walking, walking at night, walking through Lviv - the guys sincerely were surprised "how you can safely walk in Lviv at night, unlike our cities "
      2. Technocrat
        Technocrat April 29 2013 15: 09 New
        -1
        "[i] It's good that you have such good friends. But I personally saw how the girl was stabbed in the back in the evening in Lviv. It was only because she spoke Russian."
        I have no words .... just no words. Literally in February I was in Lviv, a working meeting with our partners was in RUSSIAN !!!. Half of Lviv speaks Russian. Dear if you have problems with your head?! Or are you farther than your fly ... don't you leave?
      3. baltika-18
        baltika-18 April 29 2013 16: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Vld
        Vld

        Quote: Egoza
        Egoza

        Vladimir and Lena, plus you. For both of them are right.
        While the current system of integration in Russia exists is extremely difficult, it is not beneficial for the oligarchy. If we change the system in Russia, then reunification will come very quickly in this I am more than sure.
    3. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. April 29 2013 10: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: Vld
      if Russia refuses to cooperate in most areas of industry, it will do it herself sideways - most of the goods produced in Ukraine can be replaced, but it’s hard to establish connections again (using the same gas as an example).

      Why will Russia be worse? If Russia makes import substitution for Ukrainian goods, it will only be better, because taxes will remain in the country.

      Why is relations with Ukraine more important for Russia than relations with Russia for Ukraine?

      And where does the example with gas have to do with it, Russia until 2008.08.08 tried to come to an agreement (16 years - not enough?), After which it decided to build bypass flows.

      From Ukraine it constantly sounds that Russia needs it so much that Russia must pay an exorbitant price for this. Guys, they speak to you as equals and be equal. Brothers, after all, are equal.

      And your rulers are trying to understand clearly who, not brothers, and then you will be offended.
    4. Nazrug
      Nazrug April 29 2013 11: 22 New
      0
      Specifically, this article was a Ukrainian author, so that’s not the topic.
    5. Egoza
      Egoza April 29 2013 11: 44 New
      +6
      Quote: Vld
      but most of my friends would like to live better, so I think that the EU option is better than the TS,

      Can you specifically? On the basis of what do they think so? Well, firstly, no one offers membership in the EU, but only "association". So be it. And how will this association personally benefit you and your friends? What will you earn from the association? And that EU membership brought Hungary, Cyprus, Greece, etc. and no need to tell. It just somehow turns out that everyone knows about their troubles, but no one connects this with EU membership. And now for us ... there will be milk rivers and jelly banks! laughing
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 20: 38 New
        +3
        Guys from Ukraine, go to the Baltic states and compare how they lived under the Soviets and how they now live in the EU. See the general layout! And then draw conclusions! In general, there is a saying: In the wrong hands always thicker! And it’s good where we don’t exist !! But the most faithful “Where I was born, it came in handy” This is folk wisdom tested over the centuries !!! And we have been together for 400 years, and the liquidationists have disbelieving us, we have disconnected them with promises !!! Ukrainians unite with Russians , we are from the same KIND, only from different villages, are the liquidationists really so ... brains that YOU ARE PEOPLE, forgot about it !!!
    6. Technocrat
      Technocrat April 29 2013 15: 00 New
      -7
      Dear, you wrote everything is great, but the specifics of us are such (of the Russian society, so to speak) that we can only live surrounded by enemies and nothing else. Then the people pay less attention to internal problems and are more concerned about who else would be “soaked in the toilet.” On this site they will not write about our pensioners who consider pennies, or about the homeless who have a breakthrough, or that there is no one to work in factories.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron April 29 2013 15: 25 New
        -2
        Quote: Technocrat
        On this site they will not write about our pensioners who consider pennies, or about the homeless who have a breakthrough, or that there is no one to work in factories.

        I asked ... they say that pensions are high, work in bulk, sn are good ... I don’t know about homeless people, but they all complain about migrant workers.
        I don’t even know what to believe ...
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv April 29 2013 15: 34 New
          +2
          Here is my friend news for your question.
          Moscow ambulances dismissed for migrants RBC RBC
          Related articles:

          Plot: Borders of friendship: migrants in the open spaces of the former homeland

          A scandal erupts in the capital's emergency and emergency medical station named after Puchkov: about 300 orderlies received notifications of the impending dismissal. They are going to be replaced by employees of a cleaning company, most of whom came to Moscow from Central Asia, the Izvestia newspaper writes.

          In addition, migrants will be paid more than current staff. A source in the ambulance said that now nurses receive 14,3 thousand rubles. per month, and if with a length of service - a maximum of 16 thousand rubles. Meanwhile, contracts with migrants are concluded at 17 thousand rubles. per month.

          The new staffing table will come into force on August 5 2013. Workers were informed that there were no alternative vacancies for them and were not expected. They must deal with the problem of employment on their own.

          As the publication found out, the dismissal of nurses is just the tip of the iceberg of ambulance problems. One of the station’s employees said that now there is a mass exodus of paramedics and doctors: people quit "because of low salaries and unbearable working conditions."

          Recall that earlier this month, Russian Minister of Health Veronika Skvortsova announced that approximately 90 thousand mid-level specialists leave the healthcare sector annually. At the same time, only 15 thousand people retire, the rest just quit, incl. due to dissatisfaction with wages and working conditions.

          Read full article: http://top.rbc.ru/society/29/04/2013/856039.shtml
        2. shark
          shark April 29 2013 16: 10 New
          0
          I confirm who wants to work, doesn’t get drunk, doesn’t sit waiting for handouts from the state - they feel quite fine. It’s easy to earn money, it would be a desire and education. This is a fact. The age of office trash goes away. Therefore, they raise a squeal. But they don’t ahti. In Moscow, where the city surcharges are still nothing, but in Russia as a whole, beggarly pension I must say. And also the Gaster. In my opinion, the main trouble of Russia is the Central Asian migrants
          1. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 20: 52 New
            0
            At the moment I agree with you, we need a law on the priority of hiring local, not local! And the sanctions for the employer, right up to the criminal one, are not a fine from the beginning, and then physical forced labor at his own enterprise, under the supervision of his own workers! Maybe we’ll put things in order !!!
        3. Technocrat
          Technocrat April 29 2013 18: 11 New
          -4
          In order not to be known, I will describe the situation in Samara. For example. The neighbor on the landing has a pension of about 3500 rubles. The rent is -2000-2500. Food prices are higher than your Kiev (potatoes 18-24 r). Travel by minibus 18 p. Divide by 4 and get the amount in hryvnias. The maximum pension for a hard worker barely reaches 10 thousand.
          A simple worker has a salary by your standards and a normal salary of -25-30 thousand, but ... the prices are all for Moscow. In the outback, the situation is even worse. But this is again a very big secret. So there is nothing special to envy us ....
      2. washi
        washi April 29 2013 17: 48 New
        0
        Why do we need external enemies? we have enough of our own. Here, for example, a technocrat. Trying to talk about high. No need to reason. Take an example from the Soviet Timurovites. Help the veteran, retiree SAM. You look and see you.
        1. Technocrat
          Technocrat April 29 2013 18: 17 New
          -3
          I wonder how I can help? !!! Give your salary, can you show an example?
    7. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 20: 03 New
      0
      The wedge is driven by all the same, liquidationists, wherever you look, their ears and their puppets stick out everywhere, they took them before us, we tried in 17g with the hands of Trotsky, but it didn’t work out! Stalin began to grunt them but before the end did not have time, these ki poisoned him !!! We are all, and you and we, under the occupation! So from the government it is necessary to drive the liquidationists, we have Mendel’s butler Chubais, and you yourself know who !!!
    8. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 20: 15 New
      +1
      Obstacles are set by the Zionismists! They are in the power of both you and us! They must be driven outside through the COURT !!!
  • omsbon
    omsbon April 29 2013 10: 19 New
    +5
    Russia must, is simply obliged to conduct an active pro-Russian propaganda in Ukraine and not spare any effort or money on it!
    I don’t doubt that I’ll have to deal with Bandera miscarriages, the last-born ones, but I’m sure that by common efforts we will drive them back to the caches, where we will bury them!
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 29 2013 10: 21 New
    +4
    Quote: baltika-18
    Quote: domokl
    Ukraine will be torn not into two, but into three parts ... Crimea will also become independent, most likely Tatar ..

    As for the Tatar Crimea, why are you grabbing.
    Crimean population:
    Russians-1 million 180 thousand
    Ukrainians-492tys.
    Tatars-243tys.
    "Will become the Russian peninsula of Crimea again."

    I am for it laughing
    1. omsbon
      omsbon April 29 2013 10: 49 New
      +2
      I am also in favor.
      Please note that there are clearly not two of us, but much more! fellow
  • Aeneas
    Aeneas April 29 2013 10: 27 New
    +7
    I do not see the difference between Ukrainians (residents of Ukraine), they are the same everywhere (Southeast, Center), Westerners are somewhat distinctive, the most Galicians, and not for example bagpipes who are the same Ukrainians as in the Center. In the countryside of New Russia, Ukrainians are the same as in the Chernihiv or Poltava regions. so there are no prerequisites for the division of Ukraine along the Dnieper, it is in the minds of futurist political scientists. Of course, Crimea, Odessa, Donetsk and eastern industrial towns (not regions) stand somewhat apart. There is an international population, active and with its personal character, of course different from the "zapadentsev". The idea of ​​joining Russia or creating a separate autonomy is present in a significant part of Sevastopol (a significant part does not want to) and not a significant number of Russian imperials in Donetsk and Odessa. The confessional factor does not have global significance. Skhidnyaki - atheists who suddenly became Orthodox and visit Tokmo temples for Easter, consecrate eggs and Cahors. Zapadentsev is yes, religious from small to large, but there are a lot of Orthodox parishes of the UOC-MP (Moscow Patriarchate) even in the same Volyn - the region that gave rise to the UPA. Zapadentsy generally prevail among the archbishops of the UOC-MP, because under the Soviets there did not dare to destroy the temples, and many chose the career of a priest - this was considered normal. The head of the UOC-MP, Miropolit Vladimir - Volhynians, like the metropolitans of Donetsk and Crimea ... In general, elites from Novorossia rule Ukraine - they are the Kuchma Dnepropetrovsk clan, the Donetsk guys, the Lazarenko-Timoshenko Dnipropetrovsk. There are no representatives of the oligarchy from Western Ukraine. so Ukraine is ruled by those who, according to the author, should lobby for the decentralization of Ukraine, followed by the collapse. And under Yanukovych, on the contrary, the vertical is strengthening. But the centrifugal tendencies were most manifested under presidents not from Novrossia (Kravchuk, Yushchenko). Under Kravchuk - Meshkov in the Crimea, under Yushchenko - a congress in Severodonetsk.
    1. Kail_seven
      Kail_seven April 29 2013 13: 00 New
      +2
      The elites do not care about the origin, money does not have a nationality, for money it is only important to increase them. Churches do not care about politics, this is not their business. And if someone does not care, then they have chosen the wrong path in life. I would not associate the activities of politicians and oligarchs with origin. Conscience is now too scarce.
    2. Technocrat
      Technocrat April 29 2013 15: 18 New
      +2
      In addition to what you said, for some reason I was struck by what I saw in the city of Kovel in the Volyn Region. In the city there are monuments to the soldiers of the Red Army, soldiers of the Polish army, UPA soldiers and .... Orthodox cross to German soldiers. Personally, I was in shock. And most importantly, all the monuments are removed.
      1. MG42
        MG42 April 29 2013 22: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Technocrat
        and .... the Orthodox cross to German soldiers.

        minus for Orthodox cross to the Nazis.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa April 30 2013 01: 57 New
          +4
          Quote: MG42
          minus for the Orthodox cross to the Nazis.
          And this is a question whether the Orthodox cross. In form, maybe yes, but in essence the Orthodox canonical in Ukraine is only the Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. And there are still impostors of the Kiev "Patriarchate",
          autocephalous Ukrainian, Greek-Catholic, some other = trifle pot-bellied - anyone could put up a cross corresponding to the Orthodox form. For some reason, I put on the Greek Catholics, it’s their legend, Metropolitan Sheptitsky blessed the Galicia division for the battle along with the SS and the Wehrmacht against the “infection of Bolshevism”
          1. MG42
            MG42 April 30 2013 02: 11 New
            +6
            That’s how they were buried with such crosses, of course, the Catholic one, the comrade "technocrat" was under the shafa and he saw the German Orthodox cross. In the forests near Kovel, remember the film >>> there were a lot of guerrillas who derailed the train, as there can be such monuments nonsense in short.
            1. Kaa
              Kaa April 30 2013 02: 19 New
              +4
              Quote: MG42
              he saw the Orthodox cross to the Germans
              The crosses in the picture are birch, the birch is a Russian tree, so he drew the “logical” series that the crosses are Orthodox ... the technocrat is not a humanitarian laughing
              1. MG42
                MG42 April 30 2013 02: 26 New
                +4
                Quote: Kaa
                technocrat is not a humanist

                In engineering, he also does not pull laughing , an ordinary drunk, flooded his eyes and crosses seem, where there are none.
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa April 30 2013 02: 33 New
                  +3
                  Quote: MG42
                  crosses seem to be where they are not
                  "And on the sides - the dead with braids stand ... and above - the coffin flies ... and - silence !!!!" good
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt April 30 2013 02: 41 New
                    +6
                    Quote: MG42
                    That's how they were buried
                    And here they built a whole ziggurat.
                    1. Marek Rozny
                      Marek Rozny April 30 2013 18: 32 New
                      +4
                      photo - class! But can I explain where and when?
                      1. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt April 30 2013 18: 40 New
                        +1
                        alas, no. "Took" in LJ without a signature.
          2. Mefodiy
            Mefodiy April 30 2013 10: 21 New
            -3
            [quote = Kaa] [quote = MG42] In form, maybe yes, but in essence the Orthodox canonical in Ukraine is only the Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. [/ quote]
            In the original territory of Kievan Rus there should be a Kiev Patriarchate!
            1. Egoza
              Egoza April 30 2013 11: 19 New
              +4
              Quote: Mefodiy
              In the original territory of Kievan Rus there should be a Kiev Patriarchate!

              To do this, it was necessary to carry out the LAWS! Those who wanted to form the Kiev Patriarchate had to go to Moscow (because they left it), incur penance for secession, then hold the ELECTION of the patriarch ... And so it turns out, they took and declared themselves “independent” and began to seize the churches of the Moscow Patriarchate, like gangsters, or oligarchs sawing up Soviet property. Therefore, this patriarchy in the world is NOT RECOGNIZED! And even the Sacred Fire is received as ordinary parishioners, and not from the source in the Temple. And now, interesting. Why do priests obey the Pope in Spain, and in France, and in the USA ... yes, all over the world. And NOBODY requires the Spanish Patriarchate, the Latin American Patriarchate ... Moreover, the US Orthodox churches are part of the Moscow Patriarchate! But Ukraine needs an "independent patriarchy." In our village, we recently built a church, built the whole world, opened two years ago. And this is the church of the Moscow Patriarchate! People do not want another! Only this is what the "very conscious" do not want to understand!
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 29 2013 10: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Lech from ZATULINKI
    The division of UKRAINE into two camps is an inevitable process. Too much controversy between the east and west of UKRAINE is a matter of time.
    Conductors of this process naturally sit in WASHINGTON and BERLIN, it is they who are strongly interested in BREAKING UKRAINE from the influence of RUSSIA.
    Armed conflict with UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS IS VERY EVEN POSSIBLE-given their aggressiveness.

    When Washington or Berlin starts pumping gas to Ukraine, then Ukraine may completely break away!
  • gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz April 29 2013 10: 32 New
    +2
    If an article about Ukraine with the escalation of confrontation, exaggeration of problems, distortion of facts - 100% author Valera Bleval. Stop making money like that, Valera.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 29 2013 10: 59 New
      +1
      Dachshund Valera on freelance 20 UAH. for 1000 characters
      what they say, it writes)
  • stalker
    stalker April 29 2013 10: 32 New
    +6
    Yes, what do we care about their problems ?? Let them understand, "brothers." Ideologically and culturally, the Westerners are not brothers at all, all their history lay either under the Hungarians, then under the Poles, then under the Austrians, and then they got to the "independence", and that’s the roof wassat
    1. seafarer
      seafarer April 29 2013 11: 13 New
      +5
      Everything is true, but they and the rest of Ukraine (New Russia, Slobozhanshchina, Donbass) are taking down the roof.
  • Nomad
    Nomad April 29 2013 10: 32 New
    12
    Quote: Vld
    It just amazes me how incorrectly in your media they show what is happening with us.

    I can say the same about Kazakhstan. It seems that some of the Russian media paid by our enemies to sow hostility and distrust between the peoples of the former USSR. And after all, many people in Russia believe and react with phrases such as “yes we are, for their sake, but they are ... ungrateful, traitors, enemies”, etc., etc. And here, of course, even among internationalists like me starts to boil. It comes to the point that a certain Smoke already expresses the desire of the Kazakhs with a hot iron ... Smoke, of course, is a nonsense and a frostbite (skinhead, probably), but the sediment, as they say, remains anyway ...
    1. xan
      xan April 29 2013 12: 05 New
      -10
      Quote: Nomad
      I can say the same about Kazakhstan. It seems that some of the Russian media paid by our enemies to sow hostility and distrust between the peoples of the former USSR

      Kazakh, pull a log from your eye
    2. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 21: 06 New
      0
      And who said that the media are Russian, they are liquidist and we and you are occupied by these, my language doesn’t dare to call them people ... MONSTERS are all evil in the world by the liquidationists .. everywhere the money of the Rothschilds of rockefellers and bushes with dupons is everywhere greens from the Fed !! ! Slavs unite against evil spirits ... sky !!!
  • Conepatus
    Conepatus April 29 2013 10: 34 New
    -2
    TS, how much do you pay Judas for the fact that you are inciting hostility between Ukraine and Russia?
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 29 2013 11: 00 New
      -2
      Quote: Conepatus
      TS, how much do you pay Judas

      My comment is higher ... I think no more.
  • Cherkas
    Cherkas April 29 2013 10: 44 New
    -4
    No need to delve into the documents, there are so many comments on the forum that it is necessary to conduct propaganda on the territory of Ukraine, to sponsor in every possible way, and now what is being done? Not propaganda? Russian fraternity, etc. Kalisnichenko, Elderberry, etc.)
    1. Gecko
      Gecko April 29 2013 11: 11 New
      0
      Russia has not yet taken up Ukraine, it was not up to it, it solved its problems. Nevertheless, they hoped that as a brother you would hold on to your older brother, you were always treated as equals, and not as Irish.
      Enormous amounts of money from the State Department in Ukraine are being poured into propaganda from various funds, here also opposition losers from Russia and some TV presenters have reached for you when they gave them a hat for subversive activity, they already know how much and how to stick to various non-governmental funds. I won’t be surprised if the fifth column, paid by the State Department, is pouring out the negative on Ukraine in Russia - non-governmental organizations, the principle of divide and conquer in action by the United States.
      1. Cherkas
        Cherkas April 29 2013 11: 24 New
        +2
        In Ukraine, they do not close the Russian society, Ukraine does not start cheese, meat, gas wars, in Ukraine they do not say that Pushkin is a Ukrainianophobe, etc. Here about Russia, only important news is discussed and nothing more, it’s in your media there is propaganda paid. The rest is internal issues. But I completely agree with historical enlightenment, I read a lot and I know, and I won’t prove anything to you, because this is in vain, as I understand you as patriots.
        1. xan
          xan April 29 2013 12: 18 New
          -3
          Quote: Cherkas
          Here about Russia, only important news is discussed and nothing more, it’s in your media there is propaganda paid.

          where did you get so smart from? What do you think, we do not read Ukrainian newspapers and do not watch Ukrainian television?
        2. Gecko
          Gecko April 29 2013 13: 04 New
          +4
          But you have unanimously forgot that before all these food wars, Ukraine received gas for $ 15 for 50 years, when it was 58 in Russia. As a result, Russia promoted Ukraine for $ 15 billion for these 60 years of independence. As soon as Yushchenko poured gas immediately, it became more expensive for you, immediately the industry became unprofitable due to energy resources at European prices.
          1. Aeneas
            Aeneas April 29 2013 18: 34 New
            +3
            gas prices and prices were approximately 80 shares. This agreement was beneficial to Gazprom, because at the same time transit was guaranteed, and even not for money, but by barter. Plus, the corruption component that went into the pockets of Vyakhirev, Chernomyrdin and Kuchma. Greedy Yushchenko wanted to redirect these bonuses to his pocket, Julia herself, Putin only had to breed suckers.
    2. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 29 2013 11: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: Cherkas
      No need to delve into the documents, there are so many comments on the forum that it is necessary to conduct propaganda on the territory of Ukraine, to sponsor in every possible way, and now what is being done? Not propaganda? Russian fraternity, etc. Kalisnichenko, Elderberry, etc.)
      I think that Ukraine is undergoing serious pro-Russian propaganda, generously funded but very ineffective. The fact is that grants are received by characters such as Buzina, Kornilov, Kolesnichenko who laid the foundation for their rhetoric that there are no Ukrainians, there are maloros, Ukrainian history is a comic farce, Ukrainian culture and language are a provincial-anecdotal mystery with funny spoiled Russian. Well, and in contrast - Great Russia, great history and culture (of course you can’t argue). But here's how, for 70 years of Soviet power and the best education in the world, Ukrainians were massively convinced of the opposite. That there is a culture with Shevchenko, Franco, Lesya Ukrainka, etc., there is a story with hetmans Sagaidachny, Khmelnytsky, with Ukrainians Shchors and Kozhedub. Campaigning for Russia, belittling Ukraine is a dead end. Campaigning for a new Union should be carried out by people complimented by Ukrainians. I basically like Glazyev, besides he was born in Zaporozhye and graduated from the Ukrainian school (though he is a busy person).
      1. Cherkas
        Cherkas April 29 2013 12: 01 New
        -1
        I agree with you, but you also need to understand that the party in power has its own interests, with both the "family" and Akhmetov and other "Ukrainians" and these interests are not so pro-European, but definitely against the CU and that’s why Russia without an ally it has become much more difficult to carry out propaganda.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza April 29 2013 12: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Aeneas
        The fact is that grants are received by characters such as Buzina, Kornilov, Kolesnichenko, who laid the foundation for their rhetoric that there are no Ukrainians, there are maloros, Ukrainian history is a comic farce, Ukrainian culture and language are a provincial-anecdotal mystery with funny spoiled Russian.

        Do you really pierce your eyes? Find at least one document where “Ukrainians” were listed as a nationality before the revolution in tsarist Russia? If people write the truth, including the fact that the “Ukrainians” nationality began to promote the Poles in the first place in order to sow enmity between Russians and young Russians, and thus get people to rebel against Russia, you immediately write them in grant-eaters. How many courts were organized against O. Buzina? And even won some trial against him? NOT! Just because he puts DOCUMENTS on the table. But, of course, everyone hears and sees what he wants. And I personally know Academician P. Tolochko. How they ate it at the Academy during the time of Yushchenko, when it was necessary to falsify history! However, the old man did not succumb! Not a word of lies! Unlike those who received Amer’s prizes.
        1. Aeneas
          Aeneas April 29 2013 12: 40 New
          0
          do not you think that the theory of the "birth" of the Ukrainians by the Poles as a weapon against Russia is somewhat irrational and not objective. For in reality it turns out that the Poles "gave birth" to a weapon against themselves. ZUNR Ukrainians fought fiercely against the Poles, UVO-OUN militants terrorized the Polish elite through political killings, and UPA guerrillas staged the Volyn Massacre. Hmm, some kind of arrogant and arrogant Pole beat himself in the gentleman's chest, and shouted sho et he invented the Ukrainians. Actually, Polish nonsense has never been noticed in Russia, but this half-fool is always quoted. The version that Ukrainians came up with in the Austrian General Staff looks much more logical :-) Ukrainians, in their history, had various names and their names by other peoples: Ruska, Cherkasy, malorosy, Rusyns, Ukrainians. This is normal and not original in history. The Italians became Italians at the end of the 19th century, as did the Germans, and all sorts of Wallachians-Romanians. Around the same time, Ukrainians formed on the basis of the culture and history of Rus-Hetman-Malorosiya-Ukraine ... And I advise you to get a little acquainted with Ukrainian folklore. In many songs and doom, Ukraine and never Little Russia sound. In all respects, a respected man, he earned his name under the Union and was not seen in any Ukrainian-phobia, Yushchenko offended him. To judge elderberry is not a thankful business, in Ukraine they do not judge words for a separate worldview, moreover Elderberry is not a talented and dexterous person.
          1. xan
            xan April 29 2013 23: 24 New
            -1
            Quote: Aeneas
            do not you think that the theory of the "birth" of the Ukrainians by the Poles as a weapon against Russia is somewhat irrational and not objective.

            But what about those who, in no circumstances, feel like Ukrainians, for example, Crimeans? Why do you Ukrainians impose your nationality on Russians in Russian Crimea? And even with this shirt vomiting for territorial integrity, when are you the invaders? I don’t give a damn about those who consider themselves to be Ukrainian, live as you like, but Russian lands with Russian people who, in a misunderstanding, find themselves in Ukraine, should be in Russia.
            1. revera92
              revera92 2 May 2013 20: 50 New
              0
              Bred.Bred.Bred. I hope that in Russia there are few people with the same logic as yours. Apparently Russian nationalism is even worse than Ukrainian.
          2. AntonR7
            AntonR7 1 May 2013 20: 30 New
            -1
            Well, of course, after independence, we changed our songs here and you sing instead of Little Russians, Ukraine
        2. Cherkas
          Cherkas April 29 2013 12: 50 New
          +1
          If I start telling you who the Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians are, you will be offended. Well, the names k4ts4p, x0kh0l, etc. were not easy. common roots no doubt, but if you start about the nationality of Ukrainians, then think about the nationality of Russian or Belarusians. Nationality now consists of language, culture, mentality, you will agree, Ukrainians and Belarusians are more similar to each other than Russians and Belarusians, you will agree that in our countries there are not so many Asians and you will agree that you have many ethnic groups in Russia about which you for some reason do not speak.
          1. Kail_seven
            Kail_seven April 29 2013 13: 25 New
            +2
            Of course, under the constitution, Russia is a multinational country. But in Russia, Russians are 80% of the population. According to some criteria, this is a mono-ethnic state: "A state in which more than two-thirds of the population belong to one ethnic group is mono-ethnic." However, there are, of course, other opinions, but it should nevertheless be recognized that Russia in terms of the ratio of Russians to other nationalities (even with a huge number of them) is much closer to mono-ethnicity than many other countries that have much fewer nationalities but their share is much larger weight as a percentage (in Russia, not one of the nationalities reaches even four percent barrier)
          2. washi
            washi April 29 2013 18: 30 New
            0
            And only Okraintsy live on OkraINE. I agree with that. But the borderlands are not a monolithic nation, but a conglomerate of many nationalities, as in any border region. The only question is whose outskirts. There are many who wish. Poland, Hungary, Turkey, Romania, Russia.
          3. SASCHAmIXEEW
            SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 21: 56 New
            +1
            We have one genetic code, you won’t talk about it, just as the amers are silent about it, because it’s not profitable! They conducted research and are silent about it, all of Europe comes from the Slavs, and Zadornov tells you about it with laughter, but it’s not laughter, it’s true! The Germans wrote all Slavic history, it was not for nothing that Lomonosov beat them in the face !!! And you are crushing a single people now, why do you need this?
      3. xan
        xan April 29 2013 12: 24 New
        0
        Quote: Aeneas
        But here's how, for 70 years of Soviet power and the best education in the world, Ukrainians were massively convinced of the opposite. That there is a culture with Shevchenko, Franco, Lesia Ukrainka, etc., there is a story with hetmans Sagaidachny, Khmelnytsky, with Ukrainians Shchors and Kozhedub

        In Ukraine, there are many people who consider native Russian culture. And Russia needs them. The rest let them remain in Ukraine, but without Russian lands
        1. Cherkas
          Cherkas April 29 2013 12: 51 New
          -2
          And what are these Russian lands?
          1. Kail_seven
            Kail_seven April 29 2013 13: 34 New
            +1
            All except Galicia, or do you deny that Ukraine, like Russia and Belarus, are descendants of Russia, or, historiographically, Kievan Rus?
            1. Aeneas
              Aeneas April 29 2013 14: 16 New
              +5
              Galicia - this is the Galicia-Volyn principality of Kievan Rus. But based on the texts of the Tale of Bygone Years, Ugro-Finnish tribes lived on the territory of the European part of modern Russia, naturally okromya Novgorod. However, no one calls into question the all-Russian origins of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus.
              1. Kail_seven
                Kail_seven April 29 2013 15: 28 New
                +2
                Of course, the Galicia-Volyn principality also belonged to Russia at one time, but unfortunately since 1340, due to various circumstances, these territories were part of the western civilization, as it is commonly called. And it is natural that such a long period, could not but affect ethnogenesis or the world outlook of the local population, the Catholic Church also had a great influence, because the fact that Daniil Galitsky also accepted the title of “King of Russia” from the Pope in Dorogochin is known indicates at least a very good relationship with the pontiff. Also, Galicia did not recognize the yoke of the Tatar-Mongol yoke, which also could not but affect the mentality of the population. If you want, Galicia as a region in the cultural sense is much more "Europeanized" than other territories that now comprise Ukraine.
                Although it should be recognized that even relatively recently, the population of Galicia still identified with the Russians, for example, in 1907, in the city of Sambir, representatives of the ancient Ruthenian clans of the Nizhankovsky, Gordinsky, Siletsky, Borkovsky, Pogoretsky, Kulchitsky-Tsmailov established the gentry organization “Russian Gentry Partnership” . Which was renamed only in 1938 into a partnership of "Ukrainian gentry named after Pyotr Konashevich-Sagaidachny. "
                With your statement:
                Quote: Aeneas
                ... on the territory of the European part of modern Russia lived the Finno-Ugric tribes, essesno okromya Novgorod. However, no one calls into question the all-Russian origins of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus.
                I personally completely agree, and it does not contradict my assertion that all the lands that make up Ukraine now are Russian, they do not belong to Russia, but are Russian. Russia is a name for which both Russians and Belarusians and Ukrainians have the same rights, only the latter unfortunately more and more often forget about it and take any such statement almost as an insult, although it certainly does not change the essence.
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop April 29 2013 15: 51 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Kail_Seven
                  it should be recognized that even relatively recently, the population of Galicia still identified itself with the Russians, for example, in 1907, in the city of Sambir, representatives of the ancient Ruthenian clans of the Nizhankovsky, Gordinsky, Siletsky, Borkovsky, Pogoretsky, Kulchitsky-Tsmaylov, the gentry organization “The Association of the Russian Gentry” was created.
                  And since then, several ethnic cleansings have been carried out (and before that, the supreme authorities did not disdain these measures). Is it any wonder that after such a massive treatment, the level of sympathizing Russia among those living there, as they say, is lower than the plinth?
                2. SASCHAmIXEEW
                  SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 22: 45 New
                  0
                  There was no Tatar-Mongol yoke, all the notions of newcomers were Germans, our genetic code, Slavic code has not changed since the time of the universal flood, this is saying amers, having done genetic research, but they say quietly in a rag, according to these studies it turns out that everyone goes from the Slavs ... And to them it is a bit of a bitch to recognize, that’s the whole story !!!!
              2. SASCHAmIXEEW
                SASCHAmIXEEW April 29 2013 22: 33 New
                0
                For some reason, they banyat me? I probably don’t like that I write the truth about the liquidationists! And about our story. Amer conducted research, the Slavs have a single genetic code that has not changed for centuries! After the church schism, all church chronicles were destroyed, and the history was written anew by the Germans, it was not for nothing that Lomonosov beat their faces !!! And we all come from the Slavs, and Europe too, and they don’t like it a lot ... And in the world who rules a Yiddish Zionist ball of money, and the Slavs have a bone in their throat for them from time immemorial !!!
            2. washi
              washi April 29 2013 18: 34 New
              0
              Galicia - the territory of Kievan Rus. The fact that Danila Galitsky sold himself to the Latins for the crown does not mean that the land is not ours.
              1. Mefodiy
                Mefodiy April 30 2013 10: 25 New
                -1
                Quote: Vasya
                Galicia - the territory of Kievan Rus. The fact that Danila Galitsky sold himself to the Latins for the crown does not mean that the land is not ours.

                So to speak - it’s the same as saying "Peter I was sold to Germans and Dutch"
  • Algor73
    Algor73 April 29 2013 10: 54 New
    +5
    I don’t know, I live in Ukraine, on duty I visit all regions, I don’t see Russophobes. The situation is artificial, it is just the so-called struggle for the voter. And, of course, the media, both Western and Eastern. And people don’t give a damn what language you speak. As for the civil war, as some people want. WILL NOT BE. Ukrainians are not the right people. And for some reason, hysteria regarding this is manifested precisely outside Ukraine. I did not hear from the Ukrainians themselves that it was time to fight. Who to fight with ?! Immediately put the article plus. But "digested" - a solid minus.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 29 2013 11: 06 New
      +2
      Algor73 - Plus!
      Only a person who does not exist in Ukraine can talk about total Russophobia in Ukraine.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop April 29 2013 15: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Algor73
      The situation is artificial, it is just the so-called struggle for the voter.

      FOR WHICH voter are those who, at ALL pharmacies in the Crimea distribute drugs with annotations ONLY in Ukrainian-Galician surzhik? If bilinguals go to all other regions ... You will be in Crimea, do not be too lazy to go to ANY pharmacy ...

      And the absence in the same Crimea of ​​broadcasting in Russian? Is it so "fighting" for a Russian-speaking vacationer? None of the Russian-language VHF stations (despite the fact that they are ALL local, they are FORBIDDEN to broadcast in Russian)
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas April 29 2013 16: 14 New
        +3
        I live in Kiev, and I can say the same thing just the opposite. There is not a single Ukrainian-language radio station !!! Everywhere Chanson and “Russian Radio, everything will be fine” !!! At the expense of drug annotations. Well, all manufacturers are striving to expand markets, and on drugs that I buy in pharmacies (in detail), an annotation in Ukrainian, Russian, Kazakh, English and even in some exotic language.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop April 29 2013 16: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Aeneas
          I live in Kiev, and I can say the same thing just the opposite. There is not a single Ukrainian-language radio station !!! Everywhere Chanson and "Russian Radio, everything will be fine" !!!

          We have Chanson and Russian radio ... in Ukrainian, okay? In Kiev, you can just understand, local radio stations live on profits from ad units. And we would have them in Russian too, if not ... a direct order. And also - a ban on advertising in Russian. Entrepreneurs are already REALLY WAR, very often advertising on the mov (in this region) causes the opposite effect to the expected. And there are NO other options.
          Quote: Aeneas
          on drugs that I buy in pharmacies (on trifles), an annotation in Ukrainian, Russian, Kazakh, English, and even in some exotic language.
          So what I’m talking about, ALL the acquaintances to whom I showed are simply shocked by this. Everywhere after Perekop, annotations are multilingual, but here - at least search. For the sake of interest, I asked friends in pharmacy management this issue. The answer is DO NOT. An accident?
          1. Aeneas
            Aeneas April 29 2013 16: 48 New
            0
            nuuu, Crimea - Autonomy. Maybe there are some rules of their own?
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop April 29 2013 17: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: Aeneas
              Crimea - Autonomy. Maybe there are some rules of their own?

              Unfortunately, now only one rule applies: "ALL the rules for Crimea are written in Kiev" ...
  • seafarer
    seafarer April 29 2013 11: 02 New
    +5
    Russophobia in Ukraine is. UNFORTUNATELY. And not to notice it is stupid and dangerous.
    I don’t know why, but under Kuchma, all ideology was left at the mercy of the Svidomites-Westerners. And they, we must pay tribute, skillfully took advantage.
    And after all, arrogant and unprincipled to the point of insanity.
    And an ordinary resident of Ukraine (namely a resident, not a citizen) looks away and pretends that this does not concern him. When all the Kiev metro cars were sealed with nationalist stickers, I did not see a single person who would start tearing them off. To be afraid? What?
    It's just that we - normal people are fragmented, and the Nazis, on the contrary, are organized and not bad.

    It is time for us, as Sevastopol did, to organize and repulse this brown plague, as our grandfathers did.
    1. Mefodiy
      Mefodiy April 29 2013 14: 36 New
      0
      Quote: seafarer
      Russophobia in Ukraine is. UNFORTUNATELY.

      Yes there is. But not more than 10% of 100%. Show a modern society where there are no extreme views. Maybe North Korea?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop April 29 2013 16: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Mefodiy
        Yes there is. But not more than 10% of 100%
        Here are just an almost absolute majority among them - bosses of various ranks. SUCH "unanimity" in this matter among representatives of the authorities from diametrically opposed political parties? If not North Korea, then something close ... wink
  • desiscia
    desiscia April 29 2013 11: 03 New
    +2
    I think that the author did not go out from Dneprodzerzhinsk, sits watching TV and writes something. It is incomprehensible to anyone except him.
  • Apollo
    Apollo April 29 2013 11: 06 New
    +2
    West or East EU or CU - where should Ukraine go?

    Sometimes it’s useful to listen to our panama. Especially when it is nervous and hysterical. This is me about yesterday's “Shuster” on the TV channel “Inter”. If they, our gentlemen, listen carefully and watch them carefully, then you can understand many things that are important to us.
    In particular, I now understand why our “Svidomo” and liberal-Russophobic pansy, frantically dreaming of the European Union, ignore common sense, facts and figures of economic realities. After all, yesterday they unanimously announced in live choir: in economic matters, we are not interested in numbers! And why? But because the economy is not common sense, benefits and numbers, but a value choice! We, they said, do not dream about the EU because the Ukrainian economy will flourish from this, or the people will live better. NOT! We want to join the European Union because we just want to go there! We are very "cool" there! This is our VALUE CHOICE! And we don’t give a damn about everything else!
    This is the logic, or rather, paralogy, of the ruling Ukrainian elite (power and opposition). More precisely, this is the group egoism of people in whose life "everything is included." This is the reluctance of a narrow social stratum to reckon with the interests of the common people, with the interests of the country.
    What is the result? And in the end, ordinary people become hostages to the so-called "Value choice" of these stupid and hysterical gentlemen and little ladies. For their so-called “Value choice”, as well as ignoring numbers and common sense, we will pay.
    More precisely, we are already paying - poverty, decline, degradation, degeneration and extinction.
    - http://andreyvadjra.livejournal.com/304243.html)
    I bring to your attention a video from 4 parts
    part 1
    1. Apollo
      Apollo April 29 2013 11: 07 New
      +1
      continued part 2-I

      1. Apollo
        Apollo April 29 2013 11: 09 New
        +1
        continued part 3-I

        1. Apollo
          Apollo April 29 2013 11: 10 New
          +1
          part 4-I ending

          1. Cherkas
            Cherkas April 29 2013 11: 27 New
            -1
            Well, you can see the red glasses prevent you from seeing the logic and you can’t argue with Gritsenko, the only person I trust 100% is a real officer, moreover, a rare intellectual, plays chess and preference very well, you must admit, honor and intelligence are very rare for the politician combination. In addition, I suspect that our brothers do not understand either the Ukrainian or Belarusian language.
            1. Aeneas
              Aeneas April 29 2013 11: 41 New
              +1
              Gritsenko interesting, but one-sided about the western.
            2. Egoza
              Egoza April 29 2013 12: 03 New
              +6
              Quote: Cherkas
              the only person I trust in 100% is a real officer, in addition, a rare intellectual,

              From November 1992 of the year to August of 1994 of the year, Hrytsenko held the post of head of the problem-analytical department of the Research Center of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Moreover, from March 1993 to May 1994, he was in the United States: in 1993, he attended a course at the Military Institute of Foreign Languages ​​of the American Ministry of Defense, and in 1994, he attended a course at the operational-strategic department of the US Air Force University. Returning to his homeland, in 1995, Hrytsenko completed an internship at the Academy of the Armed Forces of Ukraine [2] [8] [3] [10].
              February 4 2005 of the year Hrytsenko was appointed Minister of Defense of Ukraine in the Tymoshenko government
              On 8 of September 2005 of the year, Yushchenko dismissed the entire Tymoshenko government [9] [21], but at the end of the month invited Gritsenko to remain at the head of the Ministry of Defense [
              Hrytsenko actively supported the idea of ​​Ukraine joining the North Atlantic Alliance [
              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE,_%
              D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B0%D
              0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
              xxxxx
              And it was under Gritsenko and Yushchenko that the American ambassador handed diplomas to our intelligence graduates! If you are for NATO, then go ahead for Gritsenko!
              1. Cherkas
                Cherkas April 29 2013 12: 56 New
                -4
                And it doesn’t matter to me which alliance, the main thing for me is to live in peace and that our soldiers do not fight in other countries, peacekeepers are one thing, the offensive is different. It is important that the army be professional and able to protect Ukraine and Gritsenko is able to make it so under normal power. But these American scouts are funny and a little sad, now it’s not like the USSR, and you can go to other countries, and somehow for the scout he didn’t very secretly visit his briefing.
              2. darya
                darya April 29 2013 13: 56 New
                -6
                We are not for the West or for NATO - we care for our loved ones. So let's see in ten years, whose life is better, why should I break my spears in vain. And “Freedom”, with all their bravado, will not pass Euro-donor laws to us, and even the Jewish tribe will restrain.
            3. Kail_seven
              Kail_seven April 29 2013 13: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: Cherkas
              ... a real officer ...


              A true officer once swears allegiance to the Homeland, and does not violate this oath.
              1. ATATA
                ATATA April 29 2013 14: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: Kail_Seven
                A true officer once swears allegiance to the Homeland, and does not violate this oath.

                And you explain this to those officers who, during the collapse of the USSR, had to feed their families somehow. And the homeland of its defenders does not leave to its own devices, like kittens rootless.
                And then lofty words all the masters throw, and when you need to feed the children, then you start to think differently.
                1. Conepatus
                  Conepatus April 29 2013 14: 47 New
                  +2
                  He served under the Union. The house returned after the collapse. The military commissar was taken away from the military commissariat and told to come back in a couple of days. He came. The military commissar stamped and wrote that he had taken the oath of allegiance to Ukraine. When I said that under this oath there was no my signature, I got the answer: Don’t worry, where necessary, there is your signature.
                  I think that in other republics of the Union, it was exactly the same.
                  1. Alibekulu
                    Alibekulu April 30 2013 14: 12 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Conepatus
                    He served under the Union. The house returned after the collapse. The military commissar was taken away from the military commissariat and told to come back in a couple of days. He came. The military commissar stamped and wrote that he had taken the oath of allegiance to Ukraine. When I said that under this oath there was no my signature, I got the answer: Don’t worry, where necessary, there is your signature.
                    I think that in other republics of the Union, it was exactly the same.

                    Quote: Conepatus
                    He served under the Union. The house returned after the collapse. The military commissar was taken away from the military commissariat and told to come back in a couple of days. He came. The military commissar stamped and wrote that he had taken the oath of allegiance to Ukraine. When I said that under this oath there was no my signature, I got the answer: Don’t worry, where necessary, there is your signature.
                    I think that in other republics of the Union, it was exactly the same.


                    In Kazakhstan, after the collapse of the USSR and the formation of the new Kazakhstan army, it was decided that those who took the oath in the USSR should not take it again ..
                    Decree of the President of 25.08.1992 N 870 "On the Military Oath"

                    In connection with the creation of the Armed Forces of the sovereign state of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the need to bring the new replenishment of military personnel to the oath of allegiance to the Motherland, I decide:
                    1. To approve the text of the military oath for the military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
                    2. To swear in citizens called up for military service in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan, and cadets of military educational institutions who have not previously taken a military oath.
                    3. To approve the Regulation on the procedure for taking a military oath.
                    4. To exempt from military oath of servicemen who are in military service on the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan and who previously accepted it, if they do not wish to take the military oath again.
                    5. Military personnel serving in the Strategic Forces and citizens of other states who have entered the military educational institutions of the Republic of Kazakhstan take a military oath for the military of the Strategic Forces.
                2. Misantrop
                  Misantrop April 29 2013 16: 09 New
                  +2
                  Quote: ATATA
                  explain to those officers who, during the collapse of the USSR, had to feed their families somehow

                  And so they rushed to oversight ahead of their own squeal? My retirement came just at this time, so I watched it all with my own eyes. Among the officers of the Air Force and Navy, an unusually ugly picture was, believe me. Yes, there were those who had nowhere to go at all, but against the backdrop of losers dreaming of jumping through 2-5 service steps due to oversight, they were completely lost ...
                  By the way, Ukraine did not overshoot (although it did not require going to serve, but 13% of the pension supplement was guaranteed). And yet, for all the time I was in the reserve ... they did not give out a military ticket to the reserve officer (there were no document forms) request laughing
    2. Mefodiy
      Mefodiy April 29 2013 14: 40 New
      -1
      Even if heaven’s manna flowed out of this person’s mouth live, then the majority of Ukraine’s population would not believe him ...
  • Skavron
    Skavron April 29 2013 11: 07 New
    +2
    It’s good to swear ... not in the subject, but it is better to admire the views of Kiev from a height: http://alexcheban.livejournal.com/129501.html
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution April 29 2013 13: 46 New
      +1
      Yes, beauty) But for that, and the capital, that would be beautiful)
  • Conepatus
    Conepatus April 29 2013 11: 14 New
    -6
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Vld
    but who told you that Russians hate

    It’s good that you have such good friends. But I personally saw how the girl was stabbed in the back in the evening in Lviv. And only because she spoke Russian.
    Quote: Vld
    It would be better if your media wrote about the benefits of the TS,

    Yes, they already talk so much about them, but you also need to hear, and not dream of Europe.
    Quote: Vld
    Yanukovych is also not particularly favored by us

    They do not favor Yanukovych precisely because he did not fulfill the main thing, what he was chosen for - for the Russian language and for moving towards an alliance with Russia. And he even began to live better. But he did not promise that YOU will become better off. laughing
    Quote: Vld
    And for those who think differently, then let them read our media, this is also useful)))

    Yeah! And especially komenty to articles! On the sites Today, Polemic, Versions, 2000, for example, about rallies that, according to the Oppa, gather thousands of 8-10 thousands, and according to police, exactly 10 times less. laughing
    “You will have to mold (Tyagniboku) your 6 millions of Galicians, who are ready to stand under a gun, divide by two. From the east, they give out kicks from Russia, from the west they’ll saddle horses. Or maybe Belarusians wake up and remember Khatyn - that’s the danger from the north Where to go to a poor banderlog? In the Carpathians, they cut down the forest and did not really hide. Only to the ground)))))))) Damn, see the shovels rise in price. Who has a batch of shovels? Urgent to Lemberg! "

    Damn, what’s so tight with your imagination? Was it the criminal who told you why he cut the girl, or the victim asked to consider her Russian? And why didn’t you touch her then? Maybe because on the forum you write what the Russians want to hear, and in Lviv (on condition that they were there) say what the locals want to hear. And moreover, exclusively on the “mov”?
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus April 29 2013 11: 20 New
      +1
      Would go unre respectable forest towards the field. Otherwise kirdyk from Tatars not Russian ... Or not Tatars Russian.? It doesn’t matter, but the girl is rude to you in Goblinsky style.
      1. Technocrat
        Technocrat April 29 2013 15: 26 New
        -1
        Note for some of this girl’s grandson in the army recently went))))
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop April 29 2013 16: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Technocrat
          this girl’s grandson has recently joined the army
          But she didn’t become a grandfather from this, oddly enough. Or you can’t be rude only to girls, and grandmothers can?
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 29 2013 13: 33 New
      +9
      Quote: Conepatus
      The criminal told you why he cut the girl, or the victim asked to consider her Russian? And then why didn’t you touch her?

      Well then in detail. 1973 year. sister worked in Lviv. I came to visit her. We went to the opera house. Winter, of course, is already the evening after the performance. We will return, and in front of the girl runs. Two guys attach themselves behind her, begin to molest. She shouts: “Yes, leave me alone, you” to her in reply: “Yes, ruscha!” and a knife in the back. Then we screamed and just the police squad was coming. still the center. the guys hit the “brama” through which there is access to all kinds of yards, the girl was lucky that the winter coat (thick) was only a little scratched. The guardsmen grimaced, and saying "well, nothing like this happened" calmly went away. In the same year, my sister returned to Kiev, worked after her graduation, and did not want to stay in the "second Ukrainian capital." And there, by the way, she always spoke in Ukrainian, in order to avoid ...
      Threat. Fluent in several languages. Including Ukrainian. I am a translator. After forced Ukrainization and the application "Ukraine is for Ukrainians only," I basically speak only Russian.
      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus April 29 2013 13: 45 New
        -2
        1-they would not say "Yes, you are ruska" but "yes, you are very good"
        2-garbage everywhere and always the same, it’s easier for them to pretend that nothing happened than to get another “hanging”
        3-In the period described by you, for “nationalism” they were put in a psychiatric hospital with a bang, and the western regions were under special control. I would still have believed if it was in some sort of a western village, but not in Lviv and not in the center of the city and not at the time you describe.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop April 29 2013 16: 17 New
          +4
          Quote: Conepatus
          During the period you described, for "nationalism" they put us in a psychiatric hospital with a bang, and the western regions were under special control.
          In Estonia in 1984, it was NOT officially RECOMMENDED to sit in a train by the window in a military uniform - they could fire. And in the 60s, officers were FORBIDDEN to appear in the city without weapons and less than three
      2. Mefodiy
        Mefodiy April 29 2013 14: 48 New
        -3
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: Conepatus
        The criminal told you why he cut the girl, or the victim asked to consider her Russian? And then why didn’t you touch her?

        Well then in detail. 1973 year. sister worked in Lviv. I came to visit her. We went to the opera house. Winter, of course, is already the evening after the performance. We will return, and in front of the girl runs. Two guys attach themselves behind her, begin to molest. She shouts: “Yes, leave me alone, you” to her in reply: “Yes, ruscha!” and a knife in the back. Then we screamed and just the police squad was coming. still the center. the guys hit the “brama” through which there is access to all kinds of yards, the girl was lucky that the winter coat (thick) was only a little scratched. The guardsmen grimaced, and saying "well, nothing like this happened" calmly went away. In the same year, my sister returned to Kiev, worked after her graduation, and did not want to stay in the "second Ukrainian capital." And there, by the way, she always spoke in Ukrainian, in order to avoid ...
        Threat. Fluent in several languages. Including Ukrainian. I am a translator. After forced Ukrainization and the application "Ukraine is for Ukrainians only," I basically speak only Russian.

        I completely agree with Conepatus that if this even happened, it was a UNIQUE case and to make a systemic phenomenon with it is the same as opposing the residents of Moscow and Moscow region (Lyubertsy, for example).
      3. Skavron
        Skavron April 29 2013 15: 34 New
        +1
        it is rather an attempt, and very clumsy, banal gop-stop.
        but about nationalism ... well, I don’t know ... 1973 ... I would believe for 2004-5
        and the cops ... everywhere they are.
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus April 29 2013 15: 50 New
          -3
          Most likely they wanted to cut the handbag, or pockets, but it turned out that the coat was spoiled from the back. I doubt that the coat can withstand stabbing with a knife in the back. It’s ruining, yes (and it depends on which knife), but it’s pricking in the back, there are no options. an army sheepskin coat would not help.
    3. Technocrat
      Technocrat April 29 2013 15: 53 New
      -2
      Yes, do not pay attention to Alexander. This "girl" again played out xVantaziya on the theme of "Natsik and Bandelogs." Recently, I have been very carefully re-reading the opus of this person. Honestly, sometimes you don’t know or laugh or cry))))
      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus April 29 2013 16: 17 New
        -2
        Yeah. Especially about 1973 was impressive.
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus April 29 2013 11: 14 New
    0
    Let's split up. ...... and Ukrainians. Ukrainians are a hardworking and kind people. ..... these are parasites and ki on the body of Ukraine, as before on the body of the USSR. Ukraine without ....... a self-sufficient state. And with these pid0rasami a balcony pasture for ..... To feed the geyrop. Sorry for the emotions, but got it. The Ukrainian flags that Russia writes should ... we are Russian ... What kind of Russian are you if you are not fighting the Russophobic government. The fact that cowards are now clear. AND REMEMBER GREAT RUSSIA SHOULD NOTHING TO YOU. Want to live in manure so live. And do not shout that you are wrong or wrong. Get out of the heap and go to us. But no, so eat what you live in.
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 29 2013 11: 39 New
      +1
      your emotions are really going wild.
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b April 29 2013 11: 19 New
    +8
    It seems that paid sixes are actually operating on the site. You can carry anything, but only in contrasts it does not matter to anyone, Ukraine or Russia. Can they really receive subsidies from Washington? Time will tell. Although I was born in the Russian Federation, the Ural region, a lot is connected with Ukraine, and there is no negative. Ridna Nenko !!!
    All the blessings of this earth.
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz April 29 2013 11: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      Although I was born in the Russian Federation, the Ural region, a lot is connected with Ukraine, and there is no negative. Ridna Nenko !!!
      All the blessings of this earth.

      Thank you friend!
    2. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K April 29 2013 15: 26 New
      0
      My God, you have seen. Everything in the modern world has at least TRIPLE BOTTOM! Think head off and believe only yourself!
  • gych
    gych April 29 2013 11: 20 New
    -9
    suck you! sleep and see how to drive Ukraine? So Ukraine has been and will be! you and not Sevastopol!
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop April 29 2013 16: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: gych
      Ukraine has been and will be!

      There was nobody arguing. Something is still there (albeit significantly smaller than at the time of the collapse). But there WILL be big doubts about what WILL. Especially if the course of ALL rulers from the moment of collapse does not change. Soon there will simply be nothing to be ...
  • Gecko
    Gecko April 29 2013 11: 22 New
    +3
    Damn poor humiliated Ukrainians are always oppressed, do not tell, still say that you were in the USSR as the Irish.
    In the UK, at least one Irishman or Scot was at the head of the state?

    And here are the leaders in the USSR:
    Lenin is a Jew
    Stalin - Georgian
    Khrushchev - from UKRAINE, although Russian, but spoke good mov and walked in an embroidered shirt
    Brezhnev - UKRAINIAN
    Andropov is a Jew
    Chernenko - UKRAINIAN
    Gorbachev - by mother UKRAINIAN
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus April 29 2013 11: 27 New
      0
      So is it Ukraine's fault that everyone lived a bad life?
      + For the original interpretation smile
      1. Gecko
        Gecko April 29 2013 13: 49 New
        +5
        I liked how I lived in the USSR.
        And now I don’t dissolve the snot, I work for my business.
    2. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 29 2013 11: 38 New
      0
      you are a little "carried", although you yourself do not notice. In your opinion, the only RUSSIAN by dad - Gorbachev, ruined the USSR?
      1. Gecko
        Gecko April 29 2013 13: 00 New
        0
        I have no words. Once again, you want to see what you want to see, and not what is written in the first two sentences.
        1. Aeneas
          Aeneas April 29 2013 18: 22 New
          0
          Quote: gecko
          I have no words. Once again, you want to see what you want to see, and not what is written in the first two sentences.
          well ... although the Scots once held large posts and were even kings ... Brezhnev was not a Ukrainian, although he wrote somewhere in the questionnaire that he was Ukrainian, and in the other that he was Russian. Well, there the Dnepropetrovsk clan was in power, but in general the Ukrainians didn’t feel very bad ... Hmm, Gorbach ruined everything, we won’t mention his nationality.
          1. Gecko
            Gecko April 29 2013 18: 27 New
            +1
            I have cited the above copy of the passport stating that he is UKRAINIAN.
    3. Mefodiy
      Mefodiy April 29 2013 14: 52 New
      -2
      Quote: gecko

      Brezhnev - UKRAINIAN

      As far as I remember from school, in his autobiography he wrote that he was Russian in origin.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 29 2013 15: 22 New
        +1
        Well, after all, Stalin laid the foundation for this:
        "I am Russian, Georgian origin"
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus April 29 2013 16: 22 New
          -3
          No, this was started by an original Russian man, grandfather Lenin, and he was assisted in this matter by the same Russian comrades as Trotsky, Bukharin, and Ordzhenikidze.
          One Dzerzhinsky brought real benefits (raised intelligence), but a problem, he is a Pole.
      2. Gecko
        Gecko April 29 2013 16: 30 New
        +3
        Is it really a shame for a compatriot? Or is the dogma of Ukrainian nationalists about black Ukrainians falling apart?
        See the scans of Brezhnev’s original documents on the links, it’s always indicated that he is UKRAINIAN

        http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brezhnev_LI_Pasport_1947.jpg?uselang=ru

        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Brezhnev_LI_ListKadr_1942.
        jpg
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus April 29 2013 16: 45 New
          -2
          Of all the General Secretaries, I am only ashamed of Gorbachev.
          The General Secretary of the Soviet Union, the First President of the Soviet Union, and went down to the pizza advertisement.
          1. Gecko
            Gecko April 29 2013 16: 54 New
            +2
            I don’t care about the nationality of a person at the head of Russia, it’s important for me to work on this place for the benefit of the Russian Federation, and not the Anglo-Saxons or other foreigners.
            I indicated the nationality of all the general secretaries, in order that they would not blame only the Russian people for all universal troubles.
            1. Conepatus
              Conepatus April 29 2013 17: 01 New
              +1
              And who dumps everything on the Russian people?
              Almost all Ukrainian forum users mother their own government.
        2. Mefodiy
          Mefodiy April 29 2013 17: 27 New
          -3
          Quote: gecko
          Is it really a shame for a compatriot? Or is the dogma of Ukrainian nationalists about black Ukrainians falling apart?
          See the scans of Brezhnev’s original documents on the links, it’s always indicated that he is UKRAINIAN

          http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Brezhnev_LI_Pasport_1947.jpg?uselang=ru

          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Brezhnev_LI_ListKadr_1942.

          jpg

          Born in the Kamensky Yekaterinoslav province (now Dneprodzerzhinsk, Dnipropetrovsk region of Ukraine) in the family of Ilya Yakovlevich Brezhnev (1874-1930) and Natalya Denisovna Mazalova (1886-1975). His father and mother were born and before moving to Kamenskoye, they lived in a village. Brezhnevo (now the Kursk region of the Kursk region).
          1. Gecko
            Gecko April 29 2013 17: 39 New
            +2
            I pointed to a copy of the official document.
            Where it is written in black and white.
            And what will you provide me with evidence?

            Even if Brezhnev is Russian, what is the reason to write that he is Ukrainian?
            Or even then there were nationalists who were forced to indicate the nationality of the Ukrainian?
            It is then frightening to imagine how many Russians in Ukraine indicated their nationality as Ukrainian.
    4. RU_PATRIOT
      RU_PATRIOT April 29 2013 20: 18 New
      +1
      But the Russians are proud and courageous.

  • kind
    kind April 29 2013 11: 32 New
    +4
    But what exactly is the idea of ​​Ukrainian nationalism? In my opinion, this is a complete denial of everything and everyone, except for themselves. And there is nothing proud of him, except for his fellow countryman Grushevsky, who, with Western money, composed them a "great" story. We don’t take executioner into Bandera’s account, it’s worthless for the country of criminals and bandits to elevate to the rank of heroes. The people are sorry. It turns out as in a proverb: Panas are fighting, at lackeys forelocks are cracking.
  • shurup
    shurup April 29 2013 11: 32 New
    +3
    Russophobic sentiments in a country inhabited exclusively by Russians will lead and lead to the impoverishment and extinction of this very population.
    Residents of the west of Ukraine can not decide who they are - Poles, Austrians or any ukrobaski.
    As they say in Odessa, one harmful and evil old woman can ruin the life of all the inhabitants of a large communal apartment and spit in soup even in a neighboring house. A little that she first complains to the district police officer. You can only be saved by giving her autonomy in the form of a separate apartment on a distant farm.
    The article is about the Russian-Russian sentiment in Ukraine. But it is more correct to call these moods Moskvafobsky, Kremlin Kremlin and even Putinophobic, as anyone likes. The essence of the reluctance of the local elite to share the broth with other elites, but, on the contrary, try to grab yourself more.
    Their desire, pretending to be Russophobic, is encouraged from the same West and, the more westward, the more generous.
    And asks for the language: "west-west"
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 29 2013 11: 48 New
    +1
    How lucky the West is with the Russian leaders, all of them, as for the selection, are lounging before them, Borka is forgivable an alcoholic, i.e. a sick person, Dimka didn’t shine with his mind either, but didn’t it seem like you needed to go to the board for a label, or is it necessary? request
  • Tony tomahawk
    Tony tomahawk April 29 2013 11: 56 New
    +2
    I was born in Ukraine, I love my country very much, my father also raised a love for Russia and for the former Soviet countries, it is painful to look at what the “Pahans” are doing with my country, the legal system and foreign policy, an opinion has formed - that Ukraine is unable to be an independent state, and I hope I will catch the day when Ukraine becomes part of the Russian Federation, the only way in my opinion we can get out of the abyss into which we ourselves have climbed, and in general - brotherly peoples should not be apart. drinks
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 April 29 2013 12: 15 New
    +6
    I feel that soon in Russia children will be scared by Ukrainians, as in Asia by a shaitan wassat

    Do you not understand that the more such articles there are, the wider the gap between us, you are like Russian smart people, but sometimes I have a completely different opinion. You Chechens in Moscow will soon become the masters of all you drive to Ukraine. Problem number one we are for you laughing
  • mojohed
    mojohed April 29 2013 12: 34 New
    +1
    Ukraine, like the Commonwealth in past centuries, wants to experience how it is all ... The collapse of this state, unfortunately, can no longer be completely excluded from the circumstances.
  • Opera
    Opera April 29 2013 12: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Cherkas
    Here about Russia only discuss important news

    Wow! Oh really! What channel?
    About the EU, yes! Regularly! In terms of the fact that Ukraine has achieved yet another success in European integration! The EU said it is necessary - we will answer! Fulfill and exceed!
    Well, about Russia, there are ... About gas regularly, about which Ukraine suffers losses because of ..., the agreements generally signed by Tymoshenko! And how good Ukrainian pensioners would have lived if not .... these losses, because of course they would have helped pensioners then !!!
    And the reverse gas - ha, ha, ha !!! What are we smart !!! Let Russia prove that it is its gas !!! Ha ha ha ha!
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb April 29 2013 19: 22 New
      -1
      And we won’t prove ... let’s bypass.
  • Uhe
    Uhe April 29 2013 12: 43 New
    +5
    Personally, it seems to me that for us Russians it is not Russophobia of a small part of the citizens of Ukraine that is much more terrible, but Russophobic sentiments of the highest power structures of the Russian Federation itself, as well as the entire domestic policy, which is essentially Russophobic.

    Here is one small example of today: in Moscow all ambulance orderlies are fired, and guest workers are hired, and their salaries are higher than those of currently working orderlies. And one more thing: for visiting doctors, they will cancel the Russian language exam, which is necessary for passing the certification exam.

    The examples are small, but the devil, as you know, lies precisely in such small details. Well, and who is worse - a Russophobe somewhere there in the amount of 10 people, whom the citizens of Ukraine themselves will dig into the ground if necessary, or here, who issues and implements such decrees, and we are not able to oppose him, because have Roman slaves?
  • Gecko
    Gecko April 29 2013 13: 11 New
    -10
    As you can’t understand, we do not need you as a member of the Russian Federation.
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus April 29 2013 13: 32 New
      -4
      And who to ask?
      1. Gecko
        Gecko April 29 2013 13: 43 New
        +3
        It seems that you rushed to this site to specially arrange your next provocative ukrasrach. Not having real historical and economic knowledge.
        You are a young man by the judgment froze in his early twenties.
        For example, I don’t climb on Ukrainian sites where they often pour mud on “unwashed”, “always drunk”, “Mongoloid”, “totalitarian” Russia. It was bitter for me to read how I had chosen the president after another conversation with the Russian people to insult and doused him in Ukraine.
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus April 29 2013 13: 52 New
          -5
          Ukrosrach here arrange AFFtori who write such articles.
          Based on what do you judge my mental abilities?
          1. Gecko
            Gecko April 29 2013 13: 56 New
            0
            I did not say anything about the mind, I said about your age and horizons that need to be expanded.
            1. Conepatus
              Conepatus April 29 2013 14: 15 New
              +3
              Well by age, I’ll be older than you.
              About horizons is not necessary. I still received education under the Union and served under the Union.
              Maybe a mathematician, or a physicist from me is not good (to put it mildly), but we were taught to look at things more broadly and think about the root cause.
              About the horizons of many members of the forum, I generally am silent.
              It seems that shkolota with WoT here at the prem earn extra money.
        2. Muxalet
          Muxalet April 29 2013 14: 49 New
          +1
          Your president is insulted by people zombied by our state channels. with them the demand is small. Beat those who impose on channels what and how to talk about the president of a neighboring country. By the way, no media outlets publish negative information about the US president
        3. ultra
          ultra April 29 2013 17: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: gecko
          For example, I don’t climb on Ukrainian sites where they often pour mud on “unwashed”, “always drunk”, “Mongoloid”, “totalitarian” Russia.

          This is the topic of the lack of Russophobia in Ukraine. hi
    2. Sashko07
      Sashko07 April 29 2013 18: 20 New
      -7
      I sleep and see how I want to go to the Russian Federation; laughing
  • ole
    ole April 29 2013 13: 21 New
    +1
    As Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, etc. got it, life will be settled in your own country, you don’t give a damn about your neighbors, plant thieves, keep a clear economic policy, and people will stretch themselves.
  • Opera
    Opera April 29 2013 13: 39 New
    +3
    Well, the provocateurs got out - policemen !!! Sleep for a long time! The Russian people themselves will decide in Ukraine with whom to be! But to be with most of his people, no matter how hard the Judas of all stripes try!
  • Gecko
    Gecko April 29 2013 14: 00 New
    +5
    In eastern Ukraine, a march was held for the first time in honor of the SS division "Galicia"
    Only for some reason, many in masks and dark glasses hide their physiognomy.
    http://www.lenta.ru/news/2013/04/29/galichina/
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus April 29 2013 14: 30 New
      +4
      Yeah. In a city with a population of 685000 people, EVENING 100 people passed. Half of them, right after settling with them, got on the train and dumped at home.
      Do you have Natsik?
      1. Gecko
        Gecko April 29 2013 16: 37 New
        +3
        We have them pressed to the nail. because in a multinational state, nationalism is fraught
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus April 29 2013 16: 47 New
          -3
          And they will squeeze us. What's the problem?
  • gych
    gych April 29 2013 14: 14 New
    -3
    Quote: Standard Oil
    How lucky the West is with the Russian leaders, all of them, as for the selection, are lounging before them, Borka is forgivable an alcoholic, i.e. a sick person, Dimka didn’t shine with his mind either, but didn’t it seem like you needed to go to the board for a label, or is it necessary? request
    face does not crack?
  • Nomad
    Nomad April 29 2013 14: 17 New
    +5
    Quote: xan
    Kazakh, pull a log from your eye

    Firstly, if you please, secondly, it’s customary to apply by nickname, thirdly, what kind of log are you talking about, fourthly, whose will you be?
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 29 2013 17: 53 New
      +5
      This is a Smoke-like soul mate. one to one.
  • motorized rifle
    motorized rifle April 29 2013 14: 20 New
    10
    Fidget pleased with emotions, well, she’s a woman, but what about men, why are they emotional? No Russophobia? I won’t tell you for the whole country ... But at home, my mother-in-law hates Russia and prays for America ... My friend, a colonel and a former commando, admitted that he didn’t let slip like a drunk that educates his grandchildren in hatred of Russia ... A work colleague, a Jew, an active participant in all Freedom events, including actions against the Russian language, but he himself doesn’t really know ... This is all happening in Kiev, moreover, the mother-in-law and Jew mentioned above are indigenous people of Kiev, judging by photos in the album, mother-in-law ancestors in Kiev live since 1865, nobles. And the colonel from Slobodanism is born, the son of a Hero of the Soviet Union ... I have examples, it just makes no sense to list everything. I’ll just say to fight with Russia, well, at least there are a lot of psychologically prepared for this in Ukraine, believe the participant in many political events. Only honestly and without emotion, is it all a consumable item that is convinced that he (or his relatives) has suffered his convictions and attitude towards Russia and the West. Naive fools, as in others, and those who think differently, if for geopolitical reasons it will be necessary to bleed, then they will let it, do not even hesitate. Moreover, an incident at the border is enough in the form of an excuse, because it is no secret that border residents roam through it on their own business for a simple reason. You just need to “see” it. Either the same Russians where to cut, but at least tourists or fans and hi, it’s the hat. On the other hand, if in Russia there is a government in power that respects its own state, then it is simply obliged not to let NATO go to its borders, but what means this will be used, God alone knows. Again, this is a very difficult situation, for Russia in Ukraine, the Kremlin’s belated actions are ineffective, Yanek merges the country west in exchange for guarantees of personal security, betraying his voters and inflating the Russian elite, which Tyagnibok admitted to the game, unexpectedly on his side a bunch of voices and actively climbs upstairs. The country owes money, which means it is not free, etc., etc. Someone there wrote above that we don’t leave the wounded, and if the wounded are fatal, and even tries to stab you with a knife when you save him? Nevertheless, it seems to me that attempts to influence Ukraine will be mandatory and the country will not be able to oppose anything against this, for objective reasons, but nevertheless the people themselves and specifically everyone should be determined, then the ability to manipulate them will be minimized. Moreover, analysis is necessary without emotions, according to the principle: what I (we) will have from this. Yes, albeit mercantile, but simply and honestly before oneself. And this will determine further actions and deeds. All the same, really, the head is not for wearing a helmet.
    1. RU_PATRIOT
      RU_PATRIOT April 30 2013 08: 47 New
      -2
      The influence of Russia on Ukraine is melting away every day, and all attempts to pursue an aggressive policy towards Ukraine look like a powerless hysteria. For new generations of Ukrainians, Russia looks like just a backward, aggressive, raw-material country. Until Russia deals with its problems - the inequality between the regions with their enormous socio-economic gap, ethnic hatred, a degrading economy, smoldering war in the Caucasus (ready to fall into full force at any time), it will not be attractive for any integration processes, so as it is not the vanguard of civilization, but its backyards.