In the West, launched a campaign to demonize the Soviet soldier - the winner

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The 68th anniversary of the Great Victory is approaching - a victory won at the cost of millions of lives and millions of crippled destinies of the Soviet people. Dozens of cities of the USSR were turned into ruins, hundreds of villages and villages - into ashes. From the people in the concentration camps, they "extracted" biomaterial for the "great race". Some were gassed and turned to dust, others were driven into slavery, and others died of hunger. The grief of the people who survived the hell of that great war is truly irreparable. And there is no gratitude commensurate with the feat of the Soviet people that could be given to the winners - the people who stopped the bloodthirsty machine of fascism and Nazism.

In the West, launched a campaign to demonize the Soviet soldier - the winner


But the reverent attitude to the Great Victory on the part of the overwhelming majority of Russians (and all residents of the former Soviet Union and not only the Union) has recently caused a strange reaction from our Western "partners." For several years, a unique propaganda machine has been working in the West, the fruit of which is the creation of the “united” Europe’s opinion of the barbarity of Soviet military personnel in Germany in the last months of the war - barbarism that contradicts all conceivable norms of European civilization.

It is noteworthy that a number of media outlets decided to pick up this topic, “exposing the truth” about the war, which, as it turned out, was quickly put together by specialists in filling information bombs in the same West. These bombs were blown up both in Europe and in Russia with one sole purpose: to diminish the role of both the Victory of the Soviet people over Nazi Germany and its allies, and the role of the Soviet soldier in the liberation of European peoples. Like, how is it? How will the modern average mega-tolerant and megaliberal European react if they continue to tell him that by the very fact of his quite comfortable existence he may be obliged to the state, which in due time saved his ancestors and his country from the fascist contagion. After all, he does not understand how a country could, in which “human rights were violated” and “there were problems with the observance of the rights of sexual minorities,” to release someone from something. The modern, carefully detached European thinking cannot connect the concept of "Soviet Union" (and therefore Russia) with the concept of "freedom" ... And what if someone does try to make such a connection? ..

Not! So it will not work - obviously, the modern propagandists in the same Germany decided, and began gradually to unleash an information war, in which it turned out that the Soviet soldier was a barbarian who trampled on the freedom and independence of the German people, and in between fights of women and an automaton butt that killed German children ... Against this background, the already familiar bagpipes about non-observance of human rights, war crimes and even the genocide of the German people, which feeds on European (and Russian iy, too) a hot sauce table out of the need to find those who must answer for the “crimes” of Soviet soldiers in Germany of the 1945 model of the year.

At the same time, informational “confirmations” of their theory of impassable drowsiness and endless barbarism of the Soviet military (as another provocation against Russia), neopropagandists draw from their teachers during the Second World War. In the course are even the sayings of the famous "humanity" and a large "morality" of Joseph Goebbels, which are served as evidence that the Soviet soldier is a brutal killer, rapist, and certainly a bloodthirsty monster.

Imagine excerpts from this kind of materials that are being actively discussed in the European media today. At the same time, some notorious Russian media, which are distinguished by a strange desire in all Western endeavors to see an indispensable blessing for themselves, also do not disdain to discussing the theme that the Great Victory is nothing to the Great, and so ... - only historical an episode which, in addition, is stained with the blood of the German people "enslaved" by the Soviet Army ...

In fact, in the face of Soviet soldiers we are dealing with steppe scum. This is confirmed by information about atrocities that came to us from the eastern regions. They really evoke horror. They cannot even be reproduced separately. First of all, we should mention the terrible documents received from Upper Silesia. In individual villages and cities, all women between ten and 70 years have been raped
(from Joseph Goebbels, March 1945 of the year).

The following is an interesting postscript:
Now all compatriots believe that the Bolsheviks are committing atrocities.


Obviously, the author of these sayings himself feels a sense of admiration for the work done: they say, the informational reason that the German people entering the territory of Europe Soviet soldiers hated with all their hearts was found, which means that the belief in the "atrocities of the steppe scum" more and more infuses the Germans .

After Goebbel’s material reached the masses, a terrible panic seized the German people. The words that Soviet soldiers raped and murdered women, regardless of their age and attitude towards the Nazi authorities, led to an unprecedented increase in the number of suicides in the history of Germany among the female population. However, this did not bother those who stood at the helm of the Nazi propaganda machine. The suicidal deaths of the Germans were turned into the fact that they allegedly lay hands on themselves after the atrocities that the Russian soldiers were arranging with them.

In this regard, it would be useful to cite the words of the State Secretary of the Ministry of Public Education and Propaganda of the Third Reich Werner Naumann.

Our propaganda regarding the Russian military and what the population should expect from them in Berlin was so successful that we brought the Berliners to a state of extreme horror.


Next, Nauman adds:
We overdid it a bit - propaganda rebounded on us.


It is noteworthy that in the Western media the words that Werner Nauman wrote in his diary, who was one of the main approximate figures of the same Joseph Goebbels, are not given. Like, why debunk the myth of the "steppe scum", which is beginning to acquire quite conscious features in Western society.

As they say, Europeans conduct informational brainwashing successfully, which means that all the information that, one way or another, is connected with dispelling myths about the bloodthirstiness of Russian soldiers in Germany should be properly pushed into the margins of media that no one will ever know about. But the neopropagandists who decided to turn the victory of the Soviet people into a bloodthirsty historical farce need to say: everything secret becomes clear (for example, the words of the same Nauman) ...

In order not to operate exclusively with Goebbels quotes, the propagandists of the new wave decided to attract other "historical works" and "evidence" for informational duping of their fellow citizens. In particular, the same German media began to actively use the works of some Russian writers, who (the works) allegedly directly confirm that the Russian soldier in Germany is a barbarian and murderer. One of these authors was elected Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Here are some excerpts from his well-known poem The Prussian Nights, written in 1950.

With boom, whistle, glitter headlights -
Klein Kozlau, Gross Kozlau -
That village is a fire!
Everything is on fire !! Moo cows
Locked in burning barns, -
Eh, sweethearts,
You are not ours!

Zwei und zwanzig, Höringstraβe.
The house is not burned, but trephine, grabbed.
Someone moan wall weakened:
Mother - not to death. On the mattress,
Roth, whether a platoon visited -
Daughter-girl on the spot.

Girl - in a woman, a woman - in a corpse!
The gaze is bloody and muddy
Requests: “Töte mich, Soldat!”

The girl speaks differently:
“Wait a minute, guys!
Let me show you a richer house!
Nemok-tselkov is full house! ”
"Tea is far?"
"Around the corner!


Needless to say, this work of Solzhenitsyn in the West was taken away for quotations, on the basis of which entire discussion studios were organized: they say, and should Germany repent before the Soviet Union for initiating war, if the Russians won?

According to the latest data, the work “Prussian Nights” was included in the curriculum of German schoolchildren in the study of works of foreign literature. Well, the choice clearly indicates that the work of neopropagandists in the same Germany is bearing fruit and, obviously, it causes another informational blow to Russia, as well as to bilateral relations. Well, it is not beneficial for certain forces to ensure that relations between Germany and Russia remain established in the spirit of partnership.

Proceeding from this, it is not at all strange that when studying the poem of Mr. Solzhenitsyn, the same German senior schoolchildren do not acquaint themselves with the works of German authors, who describe their experience of meeting with Soviet servicemen in a completely different way. A group of German authors in their historical essay uses the words of sanitary instructor Sofia Kuntsevich:
They came to some village, the children run - hungry, unhappy. And I, who swore that I hate them all, I will collect from my guys everything that they have, what remains of the ration, any piece of sugar, and give them to the German children. Of course, I did not forget, I remembered everything, but I could not look calmly in the hungry children's eyes.


Such Soviet people are obviously not to mention about literature classes. What for? This will also violate the fabric of the transformation of the Great Victory of the Soviet people into the "brutal breakthrough of the barbarians-Asians."

But it is noteworthy that the same Alexander Isaevich Solzhenitsyn for some reason did not mention in his work how Soviet soldiers gave the last piece of bread to German children, trying not to disturb the past with thoughts that somewhere near Tula or Chernigov, Polotsk or Leningrad they the children ate the bark and boiled the quinoa soup so as not to starve to death.

Not mentioned and evidence of the conversation of Marshal Zhukov with the head of the rear front. Here is an excerpt from the conversation of the marshal with the general responsible for the food supply of the inhabitants of Berlin:

"For children, milk must be sought ...
The general looked at the marshal and, after a brief pause, said:
- I, comrade Marshal, write from home that they are starving ...
- They also write to me that in the Soviet Union it is tight ... But this does not change things. The directive is very clear: to allocate so much food for the German population of Berlin.
- We will feed the Nazis?
“We will feed the Germans — old men, old women, children, workers ...”


Obviously, the testimonies of ordinary Berliners, who in their own words dispel the myth of the endless barbaric deeds of the Russian soldier in Germany in 1945, are not mentioned either. Says Elizabeth Steim:

The Nazis said that the Bolsheviks shot all the families in which someone participated in the war against Russia. I decided to open the veins of my children and commit suicide. But I felt sorry for the children, I hid in the basement, where we sat hungry for several days. Suddenly, four Red Army men entered. They did not touch us, and they even gave little Werner a piece of bread and a pack of cookies. I could not believe my eyes. After that we decided to go out. There were a lot of civilians on the street. Nobody touched them. They all hurried about their business. This is proved by the fact that the Russians not only do not destroy or exterminate the population, but even worry that this population does not starve to death. Moreover, it gives high standards and worries about the restoration of our homes.




Naturally, such words of German witnesses today by neopropagandists are skillfully withdrawn, so to speak, from European circulation. After all, to publish such words means to acknowledge the moral character of those who today, from their point of view, should be subjected to the most severe obstruction. Yes, the fabricated sensation from the passages of Goebbels' works, seasoned with the works of the same Alexander Solzhenitsyn, looks much more preferable for modern Europe than the designation of the real prerequisites of the actions of the Soviet soldiers, who are jewelerly delineated from the general context of the tragedy. Why frighten the younger generation of Europeans with data about the atrocities that the German soldiers and their allies repaired in the Soviet Union, if you can, keeping silent about this, put exclusively Soviet soldiers to the main villains of that war - this is the main thesis of the new anti-Russian propaganda.

In this regard, the question arises: isn't it time to focus on attempts at another distortion of historical facts that is hitting Russia's image? If we take into account that in 2012-13, the Russian Federation and Germany are conducting cross-year cultural years, it would not be superfluous to carry out a series of events during this cultural campaign that would expose attempts by certain individuals to demonize the essence of the Great Victory.

In preparing this article, materials from a scientific study performed by E.Senyavskoy, Doctor of History, were used.
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  1. bask
    +75
    April 29 2013 07: 45
    [media=На%20Западе%20развёрнута%20кампания%20по%20демонизации%20советского%20сол
    date% 20–% 20 winner]
    Let them say GREAT THANKS - LOW BOW. RUSSIAN-SOVIET SOLDIERS THAT SAVED THE WORLD FROM ,, brown plague ,,
    And then We’d be sitting in a cage like experimental tuziki.
    ETERNAL GLORY TO SOLDIERS OF THE WWII.
    1. +2
      April 29 2013 07: 54
      Quote: bask
      Let them say GREAT THANKS - LOW BOW. RUSSIAN-SOVIET SOLDIERS THAT SAVED THE WORLD FROM ,, brown plague ,,
      Hello dear. It would be better not to be released. Hitler would not allow homosexuals to develop like this. His mistake was to climb to the RSFSR (USSR). And so together we could rule the whole world.
      Quote: bask
      ETERNAL GLORY TO SOLDIERS OF THE WWII.
      I agree. Eternal glory and let future generations not build illusions and remember who defended their right to be born and live.
      1. +33
        April 29 2013 08: 09
        The main thing is to remember and honor the memory ourselves, and these ungrateful flawed people who distort history and descend to the lowest vile lie will still get theirs. I am sure that the hour will come soon and they will still greatly regret the shedding. And this should finally be a lesson for us, and as the opportunity arises in the future, we should remember all the good things that the West has been doing to us all its life and is doing now ...

        Eternal memory to all soldiers and heroes of the Second World War, whom we will remember, honor and protect the noble memory of them, no matter what!
        1. +43
          April 29 2013 08: 24
          Quote: Romn
          The main thing is to remember and honor the memory ourselves, and these ungrateful flawed people who distort history and descend to the lowest vile lie will still get theirs.
          Ostrich position: It was this attitude that led to the fact that the descendants of those who beat the fascists became fascists in Russia, the descendants of those who beat the nationalists in Ukraine became ardent nationalists ...
          My grandfathers were not afraid to give their lives in the fight against fascism, and you urge you not to fight ... I fought and will fight .. Otherwise, my price is worthless and my grandfather died in vain ...
          1. +9
            April 29 2013 08: 53
            Quote: domokl

            domokl


            Today, 08: 24

            ↑ ↓ New


            Quote: RomnThe main thing is to remember and honor the memory ourselves, and these ungrateful flawed people who distort history and descend to the lowest vile lie will still get theirs.

            this once again confirms that the Holy Great Triumph, the victory in the World War will not be forgotten and forgiven for a long time, and this will make it even more sacred ....
        2. +19
          April 29 2013 08: 26
          Quote: Romn
          flawed people who distort history and descend to the lowest vile lie will still get theirs.

          I personally am sorry that the Red Army did not behave towards the European countries of the Hitler coalition as they did to us. It was necessary to carry out the genocide of tens of millions in the death factories, it was necessary to continuously massively shoot hostages from the civilian population, it was necessary to constantly burn out the inhabited cities and villages, to drive suitable youth to work in Siberia, and smaller ones to be forged to Russians, and to take everything out of there . You look, and there would be no one to blame Russia.

          Why aren’t we bastards like these Europeans?
          1. Natalia
            +45
            April 29 2013 08: 55
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            I personally am sorry that the Red Army did not behave towards the European countries of the Hitler coalition as they did to us. It was necessary to carry out the genocide of tens of millions in the factories of death

            Nikolay, do not be like beast-like. There is one very good song about this:
            Someone else's weakness does not make you stronger
            Someone else's stupidity does not make you smarter
            And if there are a lot of bad people around,
            Do not become one of them - save yourself.

            PS If Russia would allow itself to commit atrocities, like the Nazis, it would cease to be Russia.
            1. +2
              April 29 2013 08: 59
              Quote: Natalia
              Nikolay, do not be like beast-like.

              Natalia, everything is explained to me in the last sentence-question.
            2. +5
              April 29 2013 09: 00
              Quote: Natalia
              PS If Russia would allow itself to commit atrocities, like the Nazis, it would cease to be Russia.

              Well done, well said. Your boss would know what and how you write here, he probably would be ashamed in front of you wink
              Maybe even an extraordinary prize was written ... winked
              Hi Natasha hi
              1. Natalia
                +3
                April 29 2013 09: 11
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Your boss would know

                [Already threw into a cold sweat] sad .........
                Don’t joke like that anymore.
                Hi Sasha lol )))
            3. demon ada
              +1
              April 29 2013 12: 18
              Oh,
              and sometimes I want to do the same
              tooth by tooth.
              how are they to us so are we to them ..
              1. stroporez
                +1
                April 30 2013 13: 32
                Quote: demon ada
                how are they to us so are we to them ..
                If so, then we will become the same as they ...............
          2. djon3volta
            +16
            April 29 2013 10: 04
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Why aren’t we bastards like these Europeans?

            because:
          3. RoadRunner
            +4
            April 29 2013 10: 06
            That is what distinguishes the Soviet soldier from everyone else.
          4. +9
            April 29 2013 11: 57
            Are you a fagot and a pedophile too, how are they?
            So far we are distinguished by the fact that we have honor and conscience. But the information campaign was both lost and lost.
            1. lubin
              +1
              April 29 2013 13: 01
              No doubt, the enemy is strong, but not everything is so bad: http: //forum.glavred.info/viewtopic.php? F = 1 & t = 15472 We would strengthen our positions on our territory, and we have excellent chances. hi
            2. ed1968
              0
              April 30 2013 18: 08
              you just have to adopt their tactics in it and beat them with their own weapons and toughly on all fronts
        3. Captain Vrungel
          +19
          April 29 2013 10: 23
          Who discredits the feat of the Soviet Soldier in the Second World War and our Great Patriotic War? Our media, TV. Newly-minted scribblers and screenwriters with a deep indifference of directors and editorial boards. We ourselves belittle the role of the Soviet soldier, bring it to the comedy and push out sleek, arrogant enemies. Who forgets about the graves and monuments to our soldiers. I have not seen crosses and stars painted by hooligans on German, French, Italian war memorials, on machinery. No. Our culture and patriotic upbringing is manifested on a painted swastika on the legendary 34, on steles and monuments, a grill on the Eternal Flame in front of the windows of local authorities, an imposingly collapsed guarantor with his comrades in an armchair, and victorious veterans marching past, languishing with luxury new "masters of life "in castles and living out in bestial conditions, half-impoverished, half-starved winners with conveniences under the fence. It's good that they remember it once a year. In Odessa, a fat bastard from the mayor's office, on the anniversary of the liberation of the hero-city on April 10 (there are only 23 veterans left. They will be healthy for many years) at the memorial of 411 batteries, kicked out from the table (from a plate of porridge and 50 grams) two veterans. was on his lists. This is the true face of the "caring" government for veterans. I will believe in a caring and grateful government when our victors will live better than the defeated and experience happiness until the end of their heroic lives. GLORY TO THE WINNERS! GLORY TO THE SOVIET PEOPLE! Eternal Memory to the untimely departed.
          1. +9
            April 29 2013 12: 48
            but what is the media ... everything is clear with them. the liberal bastard sat down there. But our government, our leaders of the state ... they did what they did to shut up the West and stop rewriting history and wash out the merits of the Soviet soldier during the Second World War ?! NOTHING! In addition to repentance to the Poles (for what, by the way, they did not do) and Japan (I remember, I remember how EBN apologized for the fact that the Japanese were held in our captivity), and endless references to the "horrors of Stalinism." Therefore, the attitude from the West is the same. They see weakness and betrayal from within Russia ... Our leaders are liberal, weak and worthless. This is evident in their deeds.

            Glory to the winners! Glory to the Soviet people!
        4. +3
          April 29 2013 14: 55
          "Russians will always be in Berlin, but a German won't see Moscow" Catherine the Great. Everything in the world repeats itself. Let them say what they want, we will educate everything exactly!
        5. +1
          April 29 2013 21: 37
          Whoever does not know the lessons of his history, he can repeat them again, at a certain turn of the historical spiral. fool
          1. 0
            April 30 2013 17: 04
            Quote: Simon
            Whoever does not know the lessons of his story can repeat them again,

            Alas, proven
            “The lessons of history are that people learn nothing from the lessons of history”

        6. +3
          April 29 2013 22: 05
          My father told me that when they entered Germany (my father fought in East Prussia, took Konigsberg), an order was issued prohibiting any acts against the local population, causing damage to the farms of local residents, destruction of historical monuments, etc. ... ... All this was punished by execution. And they did shoot! Moreover, it is significant! We don't give a damn what these western Pugs are talking about at our Elephant, but we also have these Shawks in Russia, they blather there, then here. Such people generally need to be clamped between their legs and on the bare ... tse nettles, but say: "Speak, but do not start talking! And then next time it will not be nettles, but not for ... tse!"
      2. +8
        April 29 2013 08: 14
        Quote: Mechanic
        . And so together we could rule the whole world.

        Hi paravoz wink Zhenya, can you imagine how many Jews would be in Russia then, they were all in Russia now laughing laughing
        Quote: Mechanic
        and let future generations not build illusions and remember who defended their right to be born and live.

        Already forgotten and moreover, many already call the Soviet soldier not an liberator, but an acupant request
        1. Kaa
          +19
          April 29 2013 08: 30
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          how many Jews would be in Russia then, they were all in Russia now
          So what? Such as Wasserman, Alferov and millions of others, what would be in the way? All the same, natural selection would have taken place - who perceives the Russian world, and who is exclusively the Promised Land, if it were not for the obstinacy of the Naglich people - in the 30s and Hitler collaborated with the Zionists to organize a state in Palestine, and when Stalin was pinned down, the JAC organized on a planetary scale , so that personally does not bother me, but the Holocaust might not have happened if Britain had not restricted the entry of 25000 Jews into Palestine a year. The "common people" have forgotten about this somehow, everything is blamed on the direct performers - the Germans. It is necessary to recall the history of cooperation between Germany and the USSR in 1922-1932 - it was calm in Europe, both with us and with them. We need a new axis of cooperation between Berlin and Moscow, and let all sorts of London and Paris be worn with their own euro, the Germans are seriously thinking about returning to the mark, if the monopolization of Europe does not work out (and so far does not work out), Russia seems to be satisfied with the ruble. We eliminate banking parasites in the form of dollars and euros and trade directly for the benefit of our countries. We know how to beat each other's faces - we know how to work together.
          1. +3
            April 29 2013 08: 56
            Quote: Kaa
            So what? Such as Wasserman, Alferov and millions of others, what would hurt?

            And another hundred thousand Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky and Abramovich? I’m afraid Mother Russia can’t stand such an invasion. We stupidly don’t have enough money for them in the treasury.
            Quote: Kaa
            . We know how to beat faces to each other, we know how to work together.

            Well, this is not for me, this is for politicians.
            Kaa hi
            1. Kaa
              +6
              April 29 2013 09: 24
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              a hundred thousand Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky and Abramovich?
              There is a promised land, there are posts in Chukotka ... there is a scarf in the bathroom ... there are zones (for lovers of the treasury), like the Russians playful do not let their hands in it ...
              1. +7
                April 29 2013 10: 31
                Hi Kaa.
                I was thrown into rhyme by your words - "For lovers of the treasury,
                ......................... Different zones are needed! "
                ...
                And where is the Committee or what was organized there in connection with the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of May 15, 2009 N 549 "On the Commission under the President of the Russian Federation to counter attempts to falsify history to the detriment of ..." ???
                Where is he?
                What is he doing?
                How much money is allocated? What is done?
                Silence......
            2. Marek Rozny
              +7
              April 29 2013 10: 12
              After 5 years, Berezovsky will be forgotten, and Zhores Alferov will, after his death, cover Russia with glory for a long time to come.
            3. 0
              April 29 2013 17: 58
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I’m afraid Mother Russia can’t stand such an invasion.

              And they have a mechanism enabled to support the number of livestock in the oligarch population.
              bully
            4. +1
              April 30 2013 05: 13
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, this is not for me, this is for politicians.

              Sasha! Are you talking about faces or about work? wassat
          2. +6
            April 29 2013 12: 17
            Unfortunately we will not be allowed to unite, even cooperate, with Germany. Anglo-Saxons and Franks have always been afraid of this. After all, the territory of Germany is Slavic lands, and ours have left a lot. The unification of our raw materials, labor, industry, science is the death of the Western world. And given that only Russians and Germans are able to fight, and the Stasi and the KGB were considered the best intelligence, then the Eastern.
            That is why the people of All Europe are being set up against us, forgetting about the destruction of entire cities by the Anglo-Saxons.
            Yes, not always ours behaved calmly, but do not forget about what they saw and heard on the lands they liberated. And the quality of our army has changed for the worse. The call began with the occupied territories and criminals (for small articles). And this was reflected in the moral character. In addition: the Nazis themselves, in order to intimidate the population, after changing clothes, committed atrocities with their own people.
        2. anomalocaris
          +2
          April 29 2013 10: 52
          There are Jews, and there are Jews. A Jew is a nationality, no better and no worse than any other. Jew - a form of biological matter, extremely aggressive.
          1. +7
            April 29 2013 17: 55
            Quote: anomalocaris
            There are Jews, and there are Jews. A Jew is a nationality, no better and no worse than any other.

            "- It was the communists who liberated the Jews from Zionism. The first Soviet jet fighter MiG was created by the Jew Gurevich and the Armenian Mikoyan. On it were the cannons of the outstanding Soviet designer Nudelman (Jew). The world famous helicopters of the MI series were developed by the Jew Mil. The outstanding aircraft designer Lavochkin was also, by the way So under Stalin, the Jews CREATED for the good of the Motherland - and under the Democrats, for some reason, they became the root of all problems. So maybe it's not about the Jews? " (A. Vajra)
          2. stroporez
            0
            April 30 2013 13: 36
            totally agree !!!!!!!! ........
        3. 0
          April 29 2013 18: 42
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          , you imagine how many Jews would be in Russia then, they were all in Russia now
          there is no canotope on you, antisimit. laughing
      3. redwar6
        +5
        April 29 2013 08: 24
        Eh, if he really hadn't climbed ..
        Eternal memory to the Heroes-Liberators. Eternal memory to their feat.
      4. Petrospek
        +4
        April 29 2013 10: 06
        With Hitler? Rule the whole world ?? But what about his "push to the east" strategy? But what about his ideology about the racial inferiority of the Slavs ??
        In my opinion, you are also brainwashed. Although what to expect from you, you are inferior in Hitler ...
        1. +3
          April 29 2013 10: 25
          Quote: Petrospek
          With Hitler? Rule the whole world ?? But what about his "push to the east" strategy? But what about his ideology about the racial inferiority of the Slavs ??
          In my opinion, you are also brainwashed. Although what to expect from you, you are inferior in Hitler ...
          Well then, they were washed out to Stalin, after all, it was he who said "Du - how is this Hitler. Why did he turn to the east? German technologies and Russian soldiers could bring the whole world to its knees" (Stalin's memoirs, volume 3, chapter 17) By the way, they are completely stored in the library. Lenin in Moscow. And for those who do not know. A lot of what we are doing now is the advanced technology captured from the Germans after the war.
          1. Petrospek
            +3
            April 29 2013 10: 30
            Well, I also know about German technology, all of our gas turbine construction has roots from there.
            But without options, Hitler needed the Soviet Union only as a raw material base. And what Stalin thought there was his problem, not Hitler's.
            If you are in the know, can you tell me when exactly Stalin said these words? Well, I do not require an exact date, it is clear that you will not remember that, but about a month, a year?
            1. 0
              April 29 2013 10: 47
              Quote: Petrospek
              If you are in the know, do not tell me exactly when Stalin said these words? Well, I do not require an exact date, it is clear that you will not remember that, but about a month, a year?
              I don’t remember exactly, but I read it in the complete collection of Stalin’s memoirs. Specially ordered from a friend a reprint that is stored in the library to them. Lenin and is available to all comers.
              1. Petrospek
                -3
                April 29 2013 13: 51
                it’s just what I mean, it was most likely said right after the German attack on the USSR, that is, he didn’t say anything out of fright.
                1. +3
                  April 29 2013 18: 45
                  Quote: Petrospek
                  growth, to which I am, it was most likely said right after the German attack on the USSR, that is, he didn’t say anything out of fright.
                  Yah? Was he really scared? That is why he did not dump from Moscow to the Urals or to Novosib in general. Do not attribute your qualities to another person.
        2. redwar6
          0
          April 29 2013 21: 30
          Heh, I take earlier measles, not Reich, an early part of the story.
      5. btsypulin
        +3
        April 29 2013 10: 16
        Good afternoon! Negative for your logic-with the Nazis rule the world .........
        1. +3
          April 29 2013 10: 28
          Quote: btsypulin
          Negative for your logic-with the Nazis rule the world ........
          That is why we taught them in the USSR under Hitler’s rule and signed an agreement with him on the extradition of members of the 5 Comintern to each other.
      6. +3
        April 29 2013 10: 28
        Quote: Mechanic
        Hello dear. It would be better not to be released. Hitler would not allow homosexuals to develop like this. His mistake was to climb to the RSFSR (USSR). And so together we could rule the whole world.

        It is with such an exclamation that the mess in the minds begins ...
        Not only does history abhor the subjunctiveness, it also abhors short memory, incl. the forgetfulness of the "descendants" is in quotation marks because such descendants are not needed, who betray their ancestors by allegory.
        What does yours mean: - "it would be better not to release ..."?
        I want to forget 5-7 million ancestors, who could go in vain HERE and never returned?

        And at the same time we add the statements of the 90s about the declaration of war on Japan and the instant surrender - after all, everything is cool there and they have tamagotchi ...
        Rather, they were, and now Fukushima and the poor perspective on the Kuril Islands ...
        1. 0
          April 29 2013 10: 51
          Quote: Tartary
          What does your mean: - "It would be better not to release ..."
          Read in full, not take it out of context. With all the minuses of fascism, his main idea was the purity of the race. And what do you think could homosexual flourish there with such an idea?
          1. +3
            April 29 2013 13: 37
            We are not in the way with the fascists. To understand this, it is enough to recall what they were doing in the occupied Soviet territories. You would have stated your point of view to veterans, that they would have been happy.
      7. +7
        April 29 2013 10: 30
        If in World War I fought not against the Germans, but in alliance with them, against the Anglo-Saxons ... There would be neither Hitler nor World War II (World War II for us).
        1. Natalia
          +3
          April 29 2013 10: 37
          Quote: alex13-61
          If in World War I they fought not against the Germans, but in alliance with them, against the Anglo-Saxons ... There wouldn’t be

          If only if .... yes, mushrooms grew in the mouth ....
          As the saying goes: "In Ryazan, mushrooms with eyes, eat them, and they look." ))))) lol
          1. -3
            April 29 2013 12: 22
            Quote: Natalia
            If only if .... yes, mushrooms grew in the mouth ....

            Glucogenic ??????????? belay
            Quote: Natalia
            As the saying goes: "In Ryazan, mushrooms with eyes, eat them, and they look." )))))

            In-in .... I heard that glitches begin with this ... First, the eyes of the fungi eaten. then other body parts ... wassat
            Oh, and these inventors of Ryazan - for..ntsy ...))) lol
      8. +3
        April 29 2013 10: 57
        Quote: Mechanic
        Hello dear. It would be better not to be released. Hitler would not allow homosexuals to develop like this. His mistake was to climb to the RSFSR (USSR). And so together we could rule the whole world.


        Well, you old man got excited. Have you at least read your com? Well, yes, what was the point of freeing, it was necessary to scold the Hitlerian girls, after their invasion of the territory of our Motherland, they would turn red, apologize and offer Stalin, together, to rule the whole world. And homosexuals in the leadership of Nazi Germany, would realize all the indecency of sexual relations between people of the same sex, would take up the correction of corrupted Europe from unconventional orientation. Yes, and it was not necessary to move to the territory of Germany, it was enough to wait until the Nazis finished the creation of the atomic bomb and put the "BIG ORDER" around the world. Well, in general, everything is not so, all is not so guys.

        THE MAIN ERROR OF RUSSIA AT ALL TIMES IS CARE AFTER VICTORY TO ITS TERRITORY.

        Only after another "crusade" and the natural liberation of Europe from the newly-minted crusaders. Only after Europe changes its statehood into regions within Russia. Only after these events can all this filth be stopped. Till the end of time! More or less like this.
      9. ughhh
        +3
        April 29 2013 11: 40
        Quote: Mechanic
        It would be better not to be released.

        Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of our people have very vague ideas even about the main causes and consequences of the Second World War. Not to mention the nuances. And most of the ideas are formed not just by painstaking and consistent study of facts and documents, but by the tops of the same propaganda seized. A bunch of all kinds of information noise, against which it is very difficult to find the seeds of truth later.
        Here, and the conclusions are "from the shoulder." "It would be better not to be released." Who is better? Why? There are no answers, but you need to blur it out, add informational garbage.
        Most of the population of Russia cannot even formulate the concept of "fascism" or its ideology, but has a firm opinion and views on what is good and what is bad in fascism.
        In fact, we are the same flock laden with propaganda without a clearly formulated understanding of the processes. Maybe it’s for the better, of course ...
        1. 0
          April 29 2013 11: 42
          somehow, Goebbels propaganda pattern
      10. 0
        April 29 2013 11: 40
        Something like this. Absolutely lost their hands.
      11. +3
        April 29 2013 13: 03
        Quote: Mechanic
        And so together we could rule the whole world.

        Well this is unlikely, Communism and Fascism are the exact opposite ..
      12. +4
        April 29 2013 13: 36
        Quote: Mechanic
        Hitler would not allow homosexuals to develop like this. His mistake was to climb to the RSFSR (USSR). And so together we could rule the whole world.


        Hitler was a puppet, of course he exterminated homosexuals, but he couldn’t climb the USSR, because the strings were tight. The puppeteers could not allow him to rule with us, they needed us as slaves.
      13. +3
        April 29 2013 16: 00
        Quote: Mechanic
        And so together we could rule the whole world.
        Utopia, here two housewives in the kitchen do not always get along, or two powers and such a leader
        Yes, and the demoniac declared the destruction of the Slavs. He was not the only one who wanted, but the current probable friends even squeal and keep quiet
        1. -1
          April 29 2013 18: 50
          Quote: Denis
          Yes, and the demoniac declared the destruction of the Slavs. He was not the only one who wanted, but the current probable friends even squeal and keep quiet
          Yes, they do not run wild, they almost captured us by peaceful means (Levis, Snickers, Fant, etc.) Tired of proving that we are under the yoke, not only military, but vile and peaceful. And Hitler, although he was a puppet, but if he had been banged during the assassination attempt, we would have turned the shafts against Western influence.
          1. 0
            April 29 2013 20: 38
            Quote: Mechanic
            they almost captured us by peaceful means
            That's exactly what almost
            Almost not considered. Yes and it happened more than once
            Yes brother, the war is not over
      14. 0
        April 29 2013 20: 26
        Quote: Mechanic
        Hello dear. It would be better not to be released. Hitler would not allow homosexuals to develop like this. His mistake was to climb to the RSFSR (USSR). And so together we could rule the whole world.


        Spit in those who fought against Nazism! Sadness - longing for such a site, such statements! negative
    2. +9
      April 29 2013 08: 15
      Quote: bask
      Let them say GREAT THANKS - LOW BOW. RUSSIAN-SOVIET SOLDIERS THAT SAVED THE WORLD FROM ,, brown plague ,,
      Is this a wish or reaction to Western propaganda?
      The problem is that history is being rewritten. The EU adopted a decision on the equal responsibility of Stalin and Hitler (and therefore Russians and Germans) for the Second World War (as far back as 4 years ago). Now the barbarians and rapists are actively making victorious soldiers. our artists help ...
      We must actively promote our historical books, films, paintings, photos and everything connected with the atrocities of the Nazis in Europe.
      1. +4
        April 29 2013 08: 18
        Quote: domokl
        We must actively promote our historical books,

        Hello Sasha! Who of the youth is reading books, but only a few. By Internet, it will be more reliable. But such projects should have support and funding from the state, otherwise they will write there that of our modern history textbooks.
        1. +8
          April 29 2013 08: 30
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          But such projects should have support and funding from the state.
          Hello ! hi I am not against the Internet .. But I remember the films We are from the future ... Young people went, they looked with their mouth open ... And they read books .. It’s just that the Internet takes less time.
          And about the support of the state ... And I won’t argue .. You’re completely right ... I’m watching how Americans are making the history of their state and I just want to poke the faces of our leaders in the face, learn.
          Every town celebrates some kind of military victory. It is in a country that knows nothing besides civil. However, the attack of 10 Indians on settlers is annually celebrated as we have Victory Day ...
          1. +1
            April 29 2013 08: 52
            Quote: domokl
            .This is in a country that knows nothing besides civil ..

            No, they know. There they dropped the link to the video from the TVC, there it is about American history. Most people think that the USA won the Second World War, and the USSR was given one small paragraph, well, so small fights of local importance. But US history paid 3 kg of material. And what’s most interesting, 20% of American youth are not literate at all, they don’t know how to read or write.
        2. +7
          April 29 2013 08: 31
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Who of the youth is reading books, but only a few. P
          This is yes. Recently, a small man received such a slap on the head from a senior for saying that the film "Officers" sucks for grandmothers. (Sanya, you saw my little one on Skype) So he immediately burst into tears and ran to me to complain about his brother. For what else he got from me (though later I grabbed the very same types from my wife, he is not to blame for the fact that KS and GTA4 are dearer to him, this is the time) he knows about them, but the little one is my mother's son and is afraid even of Suvorov's (most likely, of course, the wife is afraid that her girl will be offended there)
          1. 0
            April 29 2013 08: 40
            If now people have forgotten how to read, then it’s necessary to make patriotic films at least as small-minded bastards (something a movie shows about their honor and valor against the background of a star-striped flag), no matter how paradoxical this works, nowadays it’s not enough to print books, We need general propaganda on the Internet, on TV, we need to finally begin to exalt our values, show faith in our country and stop us dogging! it's time to stop drooling looking west, you must finally be proud of yourself and for all that we have and have had!
          2. +3
            April 29 2013 08: 48
            Quote: Mechanic
            (Sanya, you saw my petty on Skype)

            I saw your "little" he is twice as big as me wassat
        3. Natalia
          +4
          April 29 2013 08: 44
          Good morning to all, and someone good afternoon already)))).
          You know, no matter what they come up with in the west, the main thing is that WE remember what really happened. And they did not allow others to force us to believe in a false version. The Americans failed to convince us that they won the Second World War, so now they have decided our soldiers, our Veterans, to interfere with the mud.
          If we clearly remember and believe in what actually happened, then all this Western propaganda will be no more noisy than a mosquito.

          PS Well, the Germans are tired of feeling uncomfortable in the mornings of May 9, so they gave them the idea of ​​"good kind people". Well, remember this topic has already been, ala "Holodomor" in Ukraine ... that's like the authors are all the same.
          1. +5
            April 29 2013 08: 54
            Quote: Natalia
            Well, the Germans are tired of being uncomfortable in the mornings of May 9, so they gave them the idea of ​​"good kind people."
            Greetings, Natalya. Yes, they don’t have any discomfort. I will say more on 9 in May many German colleagues call and congratulate on the day of the end of the war. Moreover, most Germans of the older generation are well aware of what they were saved from, but young people are starting to think differently.
            1. Natalia
              +1
              April 29 2013 09: 16
              Quote: Mechanic
              Greetings, Natalya. Yes, they don’t have any discomfort. I will say more on 9 in May many German colleagues call and congratulate on the day of the end of the war. Moreover, most Germans of the older generation are well aware of what they were saved from, but young people are starting to think differently.

              Quote: Mechanic
              May 8 in Germany is an official holiday and a day off, and the discomfort of May 9 they can have only with a hangover.

              Well, you just washed me and clearly ........ winked )))
              1. +1
                April 29 2013 09: 51
                Quote: Natalia
                Well, you just washed me and clearly ........)))
                But we are not from evil smile love
                1. Natalia
                  0
                  April 29 2013 10: 06
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  But we are not from evil

                  C'mon, I wasn’t upset smile tongue )))))
            2. +1
              April 29 2013 09: 42
              There are different Germans. Those from the former FRG are trying not to be in Russia on May 9th. At least I know those.
            3. +2
              April 29 2013 21: 43
              Quote: Mechanic
              On May 9 many German colleagues call and congratulate on the day of the end of the war.

              How is it that in Judean they "congratulate you on the day of the end of the war" ??? We do not have such a holiday, we have Victory Day !!! And it is weak for them to congratulate you on Victory Day
          2. +2
            April 29 2013 09: 11
            May 8 in Germany is an official holiday and a day off, and the discomfort of May 9 they can have only with a hangover.
            1. +1
              April 29 2013 21: 47
              Quote: Canep
              May 9 discomfort they can only have with a hangover.

              Are you Tolerast?
          3. +5
            April 29 2013 10: 41
            What does it mean no matter what they think / think up in the west?
            In my opinion, these tolerant comrades need to be constantly reminded of how gloves and lampshades were made by the Nazis from people, how they fertilized the ashes of burned fields, how they made soap from prisoners in concentration camps.
            The Eurotolerasts have a short memory, however troubles come out.
    3. +3
      April 29 2013 09: 37
      Quote: bask
      Let them say GREAT THANKS - LOW BOW. RUSSIAN-SOVIET SOLDIERS THAT SAVED THE WORLD FROM ,, brown plague ,,
      And then We’d be sitting in a cage like experimental tuziki.
      ETERNAL GLORY TO SOLDIERS OF THE WWII.


      For vybl ... vi pardon the correct attuned in the spirit of the general European values ​​of universal asshole general human, your words are just a sign that you are a "Russian turd" who does not understand the depth - the depths of their thoughts.
      Talking with them is impossible and useless they can only be destroyed like insects.
    4. +23
      April 29 2013 10: 55
      Colleagues, I am once again ready to repeat that there is no one to rejoice in our Victory to the west of the Vistula!
      I remind you:
      "Germany is National Socialism,
      Italy - Fascism
      Spain - Francoism,
      France - split in half into Vichy and Gaullists,
      Hungary - Hortism, then Salashism (they are Hitler's allies),
      Poland - hates Russia, regardless of conditions, circumstances and historical context, they can only tolerate us at the edge of death, and only by clenching their teeth and biting their lips to the blood,
      Croatia - allies of the Axis countries, fought for Hitler for the most part (although it must be admitted - Tito is a Croat),
      Albanians are allies of the Axis,
      Turkey is an Axis sympathizer
      Romania - fought with the USSR, a military ally of the Reich, by the way, the wife of Paulus (the Pope of "Barbarossa") is a Romanian aristocrat),
      Bulgaria is Germany’s military ally, formally did not declare war on the USSR,
      Sweden - the whole war voluntarily supplied Germany with strategic resources,
      Finland - a military ally of the Reich, fought with the USSR, on their conscience millions of victims of the siege of Leningrad,
      Norway - a significant part of the population - Quislingists (the last of the Quisling collaborator),
      Great Britain - everything is clear with it and without comment, it is an egoist country, it is generally only interested in its own problems, for it the penetration of the USSR into Europe further the Bug and Vistula is a tragedy of the 20th century! .. "

      And now, remember that Germany began the construction of 4 Reich under the guise of the European Union, and, moreover, it started quite a long time !!! SHE AND HER NEW-OLD SATELLITES MUST LOVE US? FOR WHAT?
      Friends, this victory is ours! Mostly people live in the West, whose grandfathers we defeated in the most terrible war in the history of mankind !!! Moreover, they did it for the second time, do not forget 1812!

      So with the upcoming day of the GREAT VICTORY !!!
      1. 755962
        +16
        April 29 2013 14: 26
        They are right, the Russian Soldier is not like everyone else ...
      2. 0
        April 29 2013 22: 48
        Very true. True, "only its own interests" are of interest not only to Great Britain, but to all countries. Everyone except Russia. It would be high time for us to become an egoistic country. Reasonable egoism has not prevented anyone yet. Otherwise, Russia always cares about different "brothers" and "little brothers" to the detriment, sometimes of its own interests.
    5. -1
      April 29 2013 19: 54
      this is to us, our kindness had to be cut out all
      Quote: bask
      [media=На%20Западе%20развёрнута%20кампания%20по%20демонизации%20советского%20сол
      date% 20–% 20 winner]
      Let them say GREAT THANKS - LOW BOW. RUSSIAN-SOVIET SOLDIERS THAT SAVED THE WORLD FROM ,, brown plague ,,
      And then We’d be sitting in a cage like experimental tuziki.
      ETERNAL GLORY TO SOLDIERS OF THE WWII.
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  2. djon3volta
    +18
    April 29 2013 07: 46
    I already said once, but I probably didn’t understand correctly - EUROPE, with their homosexuality and Islamization, missed Hitler. Because they began to forget who spread rot and who freed. Repeat mother of teaching.
    1. +4
      April 29 2013 07: 58
      Our ancestors paid too high a price for getting rid of the brown plague. Well, is it really necessary to repeat this so that a well-fed Europe understands the whole tragedy of the war?
      1. djon3volta
        +2
        April 29 2013 08: 21
        Quote: Renat
        Well, is it really necessary to repeat this so that a well-fed Europe understands the whole tragedy of the war?

        Well, they themselves, without knowing what they are striving for, will not cure sadomasochism! They themselves (or to the tune of the United States, Hitler also sponsored the United States and nouskali) set themselves up against us, move the NATO block and deploy missile defense.
      2. 0
        April 29 2013 22: 52
        Alas, everything in the world is repeated. Perhaps these are the laws of history? No other way. 2,3,4 generations and everything is forgotten. And then, the story repeats itself ...
        1. xan
          0
          1 May 2013 09: 39
          Quote: lyuboyan
          2,3,4 generations and everything is forgotten.


          Yes, they have not forgotten anything, and therefore stink a lot
          it is necessary that the Russians do not forget, then we will definitely remind the Europeans on occasion
  3. Ermolov
    +2
    April 29 2013 07: 49
    VERY SORRY ... THE FIRST HALF IN THE LANTERNS .. AND THE SECOND HALF OF THE GERMANS IN SIBERIA .. PROBLEM NOW IT WOULD BE LESS ..
    1. +1
      April 29 2013 10: 18
      got it already -
      Quote: YERMOLOV
      ..A SECOND HALF OF THE GERMANS IN SIBERIA ..

      what, except to Siberia and where to send no where?
      1. +11
        April 29 2013 13: 05
        Maybe not a lot off topic, but laughed a lot when I heard:
        "Lake Baikal is so deep that if you put the entire US population in it, its level will rise by only 10 cm."
        1. +6
          April 29 2013 18: 28
          Quote: Onotolle
          "Lake Baikal is so deep ...

          Laugh twice. This was REALLY said by one tour guide who took a group of Americans. Then this example was given for young translators as NOT NECESSARY to lead excursions. But I can imagine how the amers were "impressed" laughing
          1. 0
            April 29 2013 18: 56
            Quote: Egoza
            Laugh twice. This was REALLY said by one tour guide who took a group of Americans. Then this example was given for young translators as NOT NECESSARY to lead excursions. But I can imagine how the amers were "impressed"
            Hi Lena with an awl in ........ (this is egoza, no offense) laughing love Why spoil clean water with rotten meat? We have a lot of land for fertilizer.
        2. 0
          April 29 2013 22: 00
          No! Friends, we will not ban the clean waters of Lake Baikal with American stinking liberalism, it is better to immerse them in the Pacific Ocean. negative hi
      2. xan
        0
        1 May 2013 09: 43
        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        what, except to Siberia and where to send no where?

        Where we are usually sent, they are now stoned high
        It is necessary to refer to the Caucasus, as Lermontov
  4. +10
    April 29 2013 07: 51
    And who said that it will be easy!? In war, as in war! Including information. hi That's what I like articles from our authors, so it is the presence of proposals, coupled with an abundance and quality of information!
    Like this:In this regard, the question arises: isn't it time to focus on attempts at another distortion of historical facts that is hitting Russia's image? If we take into account that in 2012-13, the Russian Federation and Germany are conducting cross-year cultural years, it would not be superfluous to carry out a series of events during this cultural campaign that would expose attempts by certain individuals to demonize the essence of the Great Victory.
  5. +11
    April 29 2013 07: 51
    Just like 70 years ago, nothing in the world has changed.
    yes they lie, but to whom do we? but we know the truth. They lie to their citizens, to their own soldiers, who are convinced of the bloodthirstiness of the Russians. this is the biggest stupidity that can be done. If it happens that a clash occurs, then these very soldiers of the West will piss at the mere mention of Russia and Siberia. And with such propaganda, every time they grow to win, aren’t they rams request
    1. +20
      April 29 2013 08: 10
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      They lie to their citizens, to their own soldiers, who are convinced of the bloodthirstiness of the Russians. this is the biggest stupidity that can be done. If it happens that a clash occurs, then these very soldiers of the West will piss at the mere mention of Russia and Siberia. And with such propaganda, every time they grow to win, aren’t they rams

      Darovo Sanya. Think for yourself why they need to lie to us? The nation they want to wipe off does not deserve their attention. But to clean their brains so that they consider themselves not to be defeated, yes. The Nazis were also zombified when they went to the Russians, but when they didn’t think about their teeth, they completely got their jaw. Not a topic, but revealing about them. It's about their morals from Amer’s forums.
      "America. I study here. The people are adequate, but they meet. Let's go to a cafe with classmates, some left dude from another table:

      “It is you (the Russians) who are to blame for the attacks in Boston!”
      - Why?
      - You attacked Chechnya for the last 200 years and they became embittered!
      - And why did we initially go into Chechnya?
      - * strained thought process * Oil! You needed oil!
      - You're right. We survived as best we could. In the 19 century, we began to miss 70 billion barrels of Siberian oil and there was nothing to refuel horses. Please forgive us.

      Spraying nostril soup from three adjacent tables, red leaves a copious tip and leaves without finishing his beer. "
      1. +5
        April 29 2013 08: 24
        Quote: Mechanic
        Think for yourself why they need to lie to us?

        Hello again drinks Eugene, they will not lie to adults, but the youth is quite easy. Our youth already knows about 2 world 0.1 no more. They do not know Zhukov, but they know Zverev and Kirkorov.
        Quote: Mechanic
        Oil! You needed oil!

        Zhen.skin a link to the site Amerovsky, where you registered there again winked
        1. +3
          April 29 2013 08: 38
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Zhen.skin a link to the site Amerovsky, where you registered there again
          I am periodically banned there on different sites (I do not fit them in the format of forums), but there are many different ones, so just in the search engine "American Patriotic Forums" on their home page and you will immediately find 100 pieces, and there are so many interesting things. laughing
          1. +1
            April 29 2013 08: 44
            Quote: Mechanic
            They periodically ban me on different sites (I do not fit them in the format of forums)

            Why are you chatting with them at all, there is the country of Down Towns laughing
            Quote: Mechanic
            "American Patriotic Forums"

            I'll take a look
          2. 0
            April 29 2013 09: 05
            Quote: Mechanic
            in their native place and you’ll immediately find 100 pieces,

            Eugene, damn it give a normal link to amerovsky esaites. scored, as you said, the first five are our courage, then all of ours too, and then the American website of the BOM AMERICA association laughing
            1. 0
              April 29 2013 09: 16
              Patriotic forums of America. Paste this into the search engine.
              1. +1
                April 29 2013 10: 09
                Quote: Mechanic
                Patriotic forums of America. Paste this into the search engine.


                Paste not in Yandex but in Google.
  6. Lech from ZATULINKI
    +12
    April 29 2013 07: 52
    Recently I watched the German film "Our Fathers and Mothers" - and saw that the Germans did not regret the MASS KILLS of the Russian population. The main emphasis was on the suffering of the German soldier - this is how unfortunate he is, Russian frosts, lice, partisans are to blame for everything.
    And they killed there you understand a couple of hundred Russians. Well, this is such a trifle that you do not need to pay attention to.
    History repeats itself in a spiral - perhaps soon in EUROPE and in GERMANY in particular, they will speak again - DRANG NAH OSTEN.
    1. late
      +5
      April 29 2013 09: 16
      I am now reading the book by Artyom Drabkin "Military scouts". It sets out the memories of people who served in intelligence in the Great Patriotic War, including those who were the FIRST to set foot on German soil during the war, because scouts are always ahead. I am citing Evgeny Fedorovich Agapov's statement - "A Russian person is not capable of hating for a long time. We drove the enemy from our native land, and then we had no hatred. Having taken Berlin, we did not try to wipe the German people off the face of the earth." I’ll add on my own - reading the memoirs of veterans, I understand that the initial desire for revenge among many fighters who saw the fires on the site of the villages, the dead civilians, especially in their native places, quickly disappeared, especially since the Soviet command issued an order - death was supposed to be looted . The cases of execution precisely for looting are given in the memoirs of only two or three war veterans.
    2. +2
      April 29 2013 10: 47
      There is an opinion if in Europe and Germany they will start talking not about the "attack to the east", but in Turkish and Dari and not about the onslaught. laughing
  7. +11
    April 29 2013 07: 55
    ... In the West, a campaign has been launched to demonize the Soviet soldier - the winner ...

    The gut, thin, of these demonizers, failed, with the Soviet Soldier, then now nothing will come of it.

    Happy holiday! Victory Day!
    Although the war, judging by the article, is still ongoing, it is numbing, reptiles.
  8. mogus
    +8
    April 29 2013 08: 01
    you need to beat the enemy with his own weapon. From reports on the health of Russian girls driven into slavery: 9 out of 10 were virgins. Let them try to explain this by "barbarism of the steppe."
    1. +4
      April 29 2013 16: 26
      Quote: mogus
      From reports on the health of Russian girls driven into slavery: 9 out of 10 were virgins. Let them try to explain this by "barbarism of the steppe."



      don’t you understand?
      this is barbarism, here are 14-year-olds NOT virgins, this is a sign of Tsylylizytsy.

      But seriously, what is the current level of "cleanliness" well, at least the current 18-year-olds?
  9. +6
    April 29 2013 08: 02
    More precisely, that ugly company has been going on for a long time. Very many people want to rewrite history. When there are no heroes, they are invented. What does the geyropa do
    1. Natalia
      +3
      April 29 2013 10: 22
      Quote: Denis
      More precisely, that ugly company has been going on for a long time. Very many people want to rewrite history. When there are no heroes, they are invented. What does the geyropa do

      Germany's blood simply boils again, again striving to take Europe under complete control. The new young generation grows up and falls for the slogans ... which are invented for them, or somehow even I would say incite: "They say you, you were tilted sometime, and you will put up with it forever, but who are they ... "well and all that.
      1. +1
        April 29 2013 11: 23
        Quote: Natalia
        Germany just boils again
        Yes, the geyropa compared to the Baltic rats are just angels
      2. 0
        April 29 2013 22: 02
        Quote: Natalia
        Germany just boils blood again, again seeks to take Europe under full control

        With what fright did you draw such conclusions? Germany has long been not the same as before the Second World War, go there and see for yourself that there is no trace of the Teutonic and Prussian spirit for a long time. If anything "boils" with local burghers, only beer in their stomachs, they are periodically put in the rhomberg pose Turks, Arabs, Negroes and ours too. laughing
      3. 0
        April 29 2013 23: 12
        Honestly, I am more and more inclined to believe that Germany and Russia again want to pit in the war, as was the case with the First World War, the Second World War - hence all these creeps .... soldier am
  10. +7
    April 29 2013 08: 04
    Good day to everyone, it seems to me that if you scrape through the information gossip, then there are so many petty tricks for the whole Europe, mother don’t grieve, so who is the messenger to play and merge a little bit, but all the time? Czechs don’t like Germans, so make a truthful series, the Dutch remember Spanish rule, what is the problem, few facts?
    England and Scotland, with skillful submission, there is enough slaughter for a hundred years. France and Italy, Belgium and Germany.
    Compromising on the Baltic states? Yes, I think the carriage. Bulgarians and Turks, Romanians and Turks, Moldovans and Turks. Hungarians and Austria, Ukraine and Poland (with a lowercase letter knowingly, since it’s not a nation, and not a country, so it’s a territorial rabble, one on the outskirts of Europe, the second all-out settlements are utter)
    With a competent presentation, they will forget about us for a long time, theirs will be enough.
    Dorenko will help them with Svanidze, and the mustache will be good.
  11. Soldier
    +21
    April 29 2013 08: 06
    And Solzhenitsyn is still the one with tsuko. Here because of SUCH Jews, we don’t really like normal Jews. In the 90s he was proclaimed the conscience of the nation ... Yeah .. What kind of government is such a conscience
    1. wax
      +11
      April 29 2013 15: 13
      Not our man - Solzhenitsyn. How he spit saliva on Sholokhov. For example, a Jew could not even imagine that a Russian, and even at a young age, could write such an epochal work as "Quiet Don", to which Solzhenitsyn was like paradise. However, the manuscripts were found. Solzhenitsyn has nothing to do in textbooks our literature.
      1. xan
        -1
        1 May 2013 09: 55
        Well, I don’t know, maybe Solzhenitsyn had troubles, but at the end of his life he could not stand Western democracy, and did not hide it. Yes, and "In August 14th" wrote, could not write like that, not loving Russia
  12. Andrew 121
    +7
    April 29 2013 08: 10
    It has always been so unfortunately. They always nodded to the East, supposedly there are barbarians, and the more east, the purer the soul, and people have a conscience. We are a simple people from Russia ... but in the simplicity of this is our wealth.
    1. -1
      April 29 2013 23: 05
      Sorry. But we have a popular saying in Russia: "Simplicity is worse than theft." This is true, by the way. smile
  13. +20
    April 29 2013 08: 11
    Solzhenitsyn is a renegade and a provocateur. His slanderous Russophobic works constantly serve as the basis for distorting our history and denigrating Soviet reality. It was not for nothing that he was kicked out of the country in due time. He was not rotted in the camps, he was not shot as a traitor, which in fact would be correct. Namely, they were kicked out as a dog that began to snap at the feeding owner. If someone considers his writings to be true, then let them think about why they did this to him. I do not think that the "bloody gebnya" would be ashamed of anyone to put him against the wall or rot in the camps.
    1. Denis_SF
      +15
      April 29 2013 08: 53
      Solzhenitsyn himself says that he was swept aside for the anti-Stalinist curses, which he exchanged in correspondence with the front-line friend H. Vitkevich, and admits: "I didn't have enough sense to figure it out ... Well, there is nothing to be offended that they were given a term" (from interview 1992). Although, why should the 26-year-old captain think: scold the Supreme Commander during the war? Moreover, in military correspondence, knowingly censored! Didn't he realize that he was not only exposing himself? Inevitably, you will accept with confidence the version of "samodonos", which was put forward in 1976 by the Czech journalist T. Rzezach, later it was stated in his unpublished memoirs by L. Samutin, a former Vlasovite, one of Solzhenitsyn's "co-authors" O. Davydov. In "The Gulag Archipelago", describing the investigation and his behavior on it, Solzhenitsyn becomes very indistinct. But from the speeches of K. Simonyan, H. Vitkevich, one can learn that during the investigation he laid literally everyone: Vitkevich, who "since 1998 has systematically conducted anti-Soviet agitation," and Simonyan, who turns out to be "an enemy of the people, it is not clear why he is walking at large ", and his wife H. Reshetovskaya, and school friend L. Ezherets, and even a casual fellow traveler on the train, a certain sailor Vlasov. True, only the direct addressee - Vitkevich was imprisoned (he received 1940 years, Solzhenitsyn himself was 10!). By the way, the investigator identified A.I. as "soft", who "besides the truth, he expounded his conjectures, just to thank you." What for? And to be away from the front line, where they can kill. It is dangerous to leave as a crossbow or as a deserter, but getting a short sentence for "impermissible talk", and on the eve of victory and, therefore, an inevitable amnesty - why not? Prison suffering? Let's count: of his term, he served six months in a pre-trial detention center, a year in a prison at the Kaluzhskaya outpost, 8 years in a "sharag" (prison NII) and 4 years - the most difficult - in general work in Ekibastuz. How he suffered in jail and prison: "What a cozy life - chess, books, a spring bed, good mattresses, clean linen. Yes, I don’t remember sleeping like that during the whole war. Worn parquet floor ... No, this central a political prison - a clean resort ... I remembered the damp slush near Vormdit, from where I was arrested and where our people are now kneading mud and sleet so as not to let the Germans out of the cauldron "(" Gulag Archipelago ", Volume I, Chapter 2,5). But about the sharaga: "I spent the middle of the term on the golden island, where the prisoners were watered, fed, kept warm and clean." In Ekibastuz, the brigadier Solzhenitsyn fell into the January 5 strike of prisoners, but did not follow it to the end - he went to the hospital for an operation, remembering his tumor in time.
      Everything is pretty well described in the article http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/119083
      1. Grishka100watt
        +4
        April 29 2013 09: 40
        Yes, it’s worth remembering the shots when the EBN organized a train for him across Russia, how he (Solzhenitsyn) was met at the stations ..
        Our people are not stupid, and have never been stupid, by the way ..
        1. +5
          April 29 2013 10: 46
          I always knew, and now I have received extra confirmation - it was not in vain that Stalin isolated and shot all sorts of kov. But as our liberals bless this Solzhenitsyn. More orders were given to her than the honored war veteran.
      2. +2
        April 29 2013 11: 01
        Quote: Denis_SF
        Solzhenitsyn himself says that swept him for anti-Stalin curses
        Is it worth believing right away? And it often happens that they will detain someone polite and deceased or who is not needing where he needs to, and then he yells that he is a prisoner of conscience. Or a jealous husband will beat the face of some scribbler and all the pressure on the press
        1. Denis_SF
          +5
          April 29 2013 14: 19
          Is it worth believing right away? And it often happens that they will detain someone polite and deceased or who is not needing where he needs to, and then he yells that he is a prisoner of conscience. Or a jealous husband will beat the face of some scribbler and all the pressure on the press

          There is an opinion that he wrote the denunciation on himself. since already planned everything perfectly. If you cooperate with the opera, then you can not badly be on the other side of the grid. Solzhenitsyn described his incarceration in a fictionalized manner in many works, for example, about the “sharashka” - the novel “In the First Circle.” But you should not take his texts too trustingly. First of all, this refers to the story of recruiting into “informers.” testimony in chapter 12 of the Archipelago (yes, he agreed, signed up for recruitment, but did not report anyone, went to the stage) raised doubts among all the “prisoners.” Former Menshevik M. Yakubovich, one of the “co-authors”, in an unpublished article "Postscript to the Archipelago" wrote: "If this message did not come from Solzhenitsyn himself, I probably would not believe ... Solzhenitsyn's assurances that the employees of the organs, not receiving the promised information from" Vetrov ", good-naturedly reconciled with this and , moreover, they sent this deceiver to a special camp with incomparably better conditions - sheer absurdity ... Covered in the West with the glory of an fearless fighter against "barbaric communism", sitting on a sack of gold ... Solzhenitsyn still has no rest. He is undoubtedly overwhelmed by fear ... What if the KGB comes out with revelations and publishes the secret of "Vetrov" - what will be the blow to the reputation of the "prophet" and laureate? So is it not better to forestall, intercept, submit exposure in my version, in my interpretation: yes, I was a secret informant, but in reality I did not denounce anyone ... This is the psychological reason for Solzhenitsyn's self-exposure. "Another" co-author " , L. Samutin, asserts: "This story is intended for people who are completely ignorant ... But we, old prisoners broken off by camps, know for sure: this was impossible! One cannot believe that by giving a subscription to "knock" one could get rid of the opera so easily. And how? Transfer to a privileged position in a special camp ... This transfer document comes from the Camp Administration and goes to the head of the camp. But the operative also cannot escape, without whose visa he cannot be put into action. He writes a characterization of the person to be translated ... And what kind of operas will he write a good characterization of a person who has undertaken a commitment and then blatantly avoided this matter? Where is there such? So it turns out that they transferred Solzhenitsyn to a sharashka only because the opera wrote the necessary description, gave the go-ahead for translation. No need to chew anymore, which meant such "good" ".
  14. fenix57
    +13
    April 29 2013 08: 11
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    but we know the truth. They lie to their citizens, to their own soldiers, who are convinced of the bloodthirstiness of the Russians. this is the biggest stupidity that can be done. If it happens that a clash occurs, then these very soldiers of the West will piss at the mere mention of Russia and Siberia

    We know the truth! - Yes. But it is necessary that both our children and grandchildren know her-TRUTH, without distortions and conjectures of "modern" historians.
    And as for "walking" the route of the grandfathers - so let the geyrope always be afraid of this! hi
    1. +5
      April 29 2013 08: 27
      Quote: fenix57
      And about "walking" the route of the grandfathers - so let them always be afraid of this in gayrope

      Merkel up to tweets there and ultimately, will wash the socks of the Russian soldiers.
      Not afraid already of the geyrop, dared to understand wink
    2. djon3volta
      +8
      April 29 2013 08: 27
      Quote: fenix57
      And as for "walking" the route of the grandfathers - so let the geyrope always be afraid of this!
      1. 0
        April 29 2013 23: 23
        And I’ll add on my own))))) soldier hi
      2. +4
        April 29 2013 23: 40
        And I'll add more on my own)))) soldier laughing
  15. qwertynsan
    +2
    April 29 2013 08: 13
    Yes, just moral. What is the need for a third world?
    1. +3
      April 29 2013 09: 08
      Quote: qwertynsan
      Yes, just moral. What is the need for a third world?

      no, they just want to humiliate Russia once again and the Americans will skim the cream
      1. +6
        April 29 2013 09: 17
        Quote: kvirit
        Russia
        The name of any country, if you respect it, is capitalized.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          +8
          April 29 2013 12: 55
          Zhenya! Who do you think betrayed the Soviet Union? We, with our indifference and indifference. Who collapsed, WE. Who has nothing to do with the conquests and victories of the Soviet Union. We, those who betrayed their Great Motherland, who lost, sold, stole the socialist conquests, Everyone who met the age of majority in 1991 is a traitor, without a clan and tribe. And now we all should not be citizens, but stateless persons. A new generation of those born already in Russia should disperse traitors from that time, who crawled into power, and deprive them of the right to elect and be elected using a mop. At the same time and us. We already made it
          1. +4
            April 29 2013 13: 16
            Hi Yuri. It is not regrettable, but you are right. Many times I wrote that I am ashamed of my actions in 91. I shouted ur ur freedom and sneakers. Now came a re-awareness of what was in those days. It gets sick of being sold for a cheap candy.
            1. +1
              April 29 2013 22: 11
              Quote: Mechanic
              It gets sick of being sold for a cheap candy.

              You sold out, don't judge the rest by yourself
            2. 0
              April 29 2013 22: 32
              Quote: Mechanic
              I am ashamed of my actions in 91
              Feel free to admit
              Many people then turned to this rubbish. Then a hangover, it’s like it’s not easy
  16. ksandr45
    +6
    April 29 2013 08: 14
    Well, it’s necessary to write such a thing, I don’t care what they, in the geyropp, think about me, but this is what to say about my grandfather !!! Padla, the time will come and you will answer for everything, not a duck in front of me in front of my grandson.
  17. +4
    April 29 2013 08: 18
    Sometimes for such a reversal of facts, it hurts and offends.
    I really want to kick these propaganda mongrels in the teeth, sometimes even use force very disproportionately.
    Not really we still have not learned counter-propaganda and PR. Isn’t it that RosNANO has stolen everything?
  18. +4
    April 29 2013 08: 19
    Creatures are ungrateful, homosexual.
  19. +7
    April 29 2013 08: 20
    In war, as in war .... It does not matter what kind of war it is, real or virtual-informational.
    The West is the West. Europeans' fear of Russia, their hatred of Russians is a way to whitewash oneself, to feel civilized and culturally advanced. Who they are and what they are, We know. Not Europe to teach Us morality and philanthropy. If the West is waging an information war against us, then our task, as always, is to repel the attack and go on the offensive on all fronts. End the war in the enemy capital by achieving unconditional surrender. In general, you need to "work".
  20. +7
    April 29 2013 08: 22
    The most offensive thing is that our government will turn a deaf ear to all this vileness, vyaknet like "impermissible" and that's it. And all these Germans, Poles, Czechs will play different kinds of victims there and further. And in years ... tsat in textbooks will write that they say that Europe wanted to bring civilization to Russia in the 41st, and they not only refused, but (ungrateful) themselves came to Europe and raped everyone. Something needs to be done! It is not possible to push through truthful information at the interstate level - you have to try on another. There are connections between universities, personal, business, etc. It is only necessary to correctly build the presentation of information (find the forms of presentation, style, content, etc.). I am sure that people will be drawn to her. At least a moment of novelty will affect, and not all of them are stupid people. For example, do we have a subdivision at the Foreign Ministry that could deal with this? Or maybe I'm already studying and I'm all in vain?
  21. +4
    April 29 2013 08: 23
    We didn’t suffocate them a little.
  22. 0
    April 29 2013 08: 27
    Quote: Nikolay S.
    Quote: Romn
    flawed people who distort history and descend to the lowest vile lie will still get theirs.

    I personally am sorry that the Red Army did not behave towards the European countries of the Hitler coalition as they did to us. It was necessary to carry out the genocide of tens of millions in the death factories, it was necessary to continuously massively shoot hostages from the civilian population, it was necessary to constantly burn out the inhabited cities and villages, to drive suitable youth to work in Siberia, and smaller ones to be forged to Russians, and to take everything out of there . You look, and there would be no one to blame Russia.

    Why aren’t we bastards like these Europeans?
  23. +1
    April 29 2013 08: 27
    Quote: Mechanic
    And so together we could rule the whole world.
    Yes of course!! A delusional statement similar to the quote was uttered from the TV screen by the Skull from “we are from the future.” Two bears in one den will never get along. There would never be any together.
  24. +4
    April 29 2013 08: 31
    Quote: djon3volta
    I already said once, but I probably didn’t understand correctly - EUROPE, with their homosexuality and Islamization, missed Hitler. Because they began to forget who spread rot and who freed. Repeat mother of teaching.


    I just would not want to prove it again with the multimillion-dollar victims of the Russian people.
  25. +8
    April 29 2013 08: 34
    Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
    The main emphasis was placed on the suffering of the German soldier - that’s how unfortunate he is, Russian frosts, lice, partisans are to blame for everything.

    Gold words!! In short, all the memoirs of German soldiers are reduced to this and how many have not read them. We poor, unfortunate, no one loves us, cold and hungry, evil uncles shoot from the forest. Why the hell did you crawl to us? Our people will not allow you to stuff Russian fluffy horseradish into your mouth.
  26. qroz5
    +1
    April 29 2013 08: 36
    not Russians started it
  27. AndreyAB
    +4
    April 29 2013 08: 41
    And if you look deeper into history, then the "enlightened" west, which the Russians have always saved from various "enlightened" dictators, as time passed, they always screwed the saviors and Russia began to screw up until the next unleashing of some kind of massacre, and our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers had them to finish, and after all, the scoundrels that thought to call our country barbaric and melitarist, provided that Russia did not unleash any world or major war, and even now states around the world are at war, Europeans in a compartment with them, and even Libya on their conscience, that's really who shouts louder than anyone, stop the thief - the thieves' "enlightened" West with perverted concepts of morality continues to scare us its citizens because we do not want to live like them and this is a crime for which they are bombing.
  28. -14
    April 29 2013 08: 42
    How many angry curses and offended feelings. You can turn a blind eye to looting and violence as much as you like, but there are still many living witnesses, try to argue with them, for example, with Gabriele Köpp, who wrote about this book "Warum war ich bloß ein Mädchen? Das Trauma einer Flucht 1945". The veterans themselves cover the violence with the phrase "Yes, they themselves fell under us", and the looting "These are trophies." According to the recollections of the front-line soldiers themselves and the victims (especially the Russian girls driven to Germany were subjected to violence), the rear officers, those same rear rats who spent the whole war in carts, in warehouses and other storage areas, were especially atrocities, and then after the war they loved to tell the kids about the war. Those who fought their way to the Reichstag simply had no time to do this, and you can't drag their gear into battle. After the war, thousands of logisticians hung with awards to the navel made up the main force of the Soviet agatprop, reacting angrily to any mention of violence and looting.
    1. +13
      April 29 2013 08: 53
      Nobody canceled the trophies. Yes, by ... no need to argue with these witnesses. THANKS, SAY REASONS, that in general there is such a place as Germany and such a German nation. That's all expats from non-Germans are still leaving Russia on May 9th. It's a shame, bastard, and scary.
      And how do you know about "1000 rear robbers"? Or did your grandfather tell how he looted, or read another vyser like Suvorov or a Western "researcher" of the Second World War?
      1. -7
        April 29 2013 09: 32
        Quote: fzr1000
        Nobody canceled the trophies.

        call looting at least somehow, the essence will not change
        Quote: fzr1000
        And how do you know about "1000 rear robbers"? Or did your grandfather tell how he looted, or read another vyser like Suvorov or a Western "researcher" of the Second World War?

        read the memories of soldiers, refugees.
        PS: My attitude to the rear services was confirmed in 2000. when this "funny" crowd never went out to clean up, and indeed from the location returned home hung with "awards" like that demobilization badges.
    2. +6
      April 29 2013 09: 25
      Quote: Nayhas
      with Gabriele Köpp who wrote the book "Warum war ich bloß ein Mädchen? Das Trauma einer Flucht 1945" about it.
      Your post didn’t delete, let everyone see where they get knowledge from like you. Personally, I am ashamed that such degenerates live on our earth and hide under the Russian flag. Both of my grandfathers fought and have orders and medals. What did they also earn by looting and violence? angry Like you fool and mess our history.
      1. -8
        April 29 2013 09: 39
        I don’t know how your grandfathers fought, you know better, I didn’t blame them for anything. Just because your grandfathers are honest warriors does not mean that there was no robbery and violence. And the story is not dirty or clean, it has no color and smell, it just is what it is, and if you study history, love this thing, then do not be afraid to encounter something that is not entirely pleasant.
        1. +8
          April 29 2013 09: 50
          Well, what is the point of such a "study" of history? "The field after the battle belongs to the marauders" is the phrase known? The Germans did not bother with morality, robbing and killing civilians. From which we then had to act differently. The difference between us and the Germans was that we were supposed to be shot for looting and violence. So feel the difference. Everything else is snot and bleating ...
          1. -6
            April 29 2013 19: 27
            The Germans committed crimes, many were punished for this (the smallest cases of looting were revealed in the camps such as he took a chicken from the local population, for this they gave real terms and that’s right) the crimes themselves were condemned by the entire international community. If you act in the same way as a criminal does, then you yourself become a criminal. This is an axiom.
            1. +1
              April 29 2013 19: 58
              What? Who and how were the Germans punished in the occupied territories of the USSR? If only partisans. Or later, after the war, but only millions of people did not feel any better for this. About "if you do the same as a criminal does, then you yourself become a criminal." We did not do that, it is enough to compare the losses of the civilian population of Germany and the USSR, although, in war, as in war.
            2. +1
              April 29 2013 22: 18
              Quote: Nayhas
              The Germans committed crimes, for which many were punished

              Quite right, only they were investigators, judges, prosecutors and even lawyers, RUSSIANS (I include other nationalities of the USSR to them) !!! laughing
        2. Natalia
          +5
          April 29 2013 11: 30
          Quote: Nayhas
          call looting at least somehow, the essence will not change

          No dear, trophies are trophies, and just your fascists looted. And REMEMBER the Soviet soldier didn’t rape anyone when, your fascists did this.
          Who burned civilians in the sheds, set up death camps, raped our women, who generally started World War II and who didn’t loot, but simply burned villages one after the other - in your opinion, probably angels ... yes? fool

          PS And on account of the study of history, so I advise you better to study the magazine "Murzilka" ... everything is better than the Western propaganda. Last but not least, flip your brain toggle switch from the "OFF" position. to the "ON" position. suddenly help ...
        3. +2
          April 29 2013 22: 11
          You, my friend, and that the Nazis were honest, did not rob anyone? Until now, the Amber Room cannot be, and how many treasures were taken out of the Union during the war?
      2. redwar6
        +3
        April 29 2013 13: 42
        According to the above mentioned person, we can say that we reached looting in Berlin too. Ugh, you wouldn’t see people like him.
    3. Grishka100watt
      +7
      April 29 2013 09: 33
      How many angry curses and offended feelings. You can turn a blind eye to looting and violence as much as you like, but there are still many living witnesses, try to argue with them, for example, with Gabriele Köpp, who wrote about this book "Warum war ich bloß ein Mädchen? Das Trauma einer Flucht 1945". The veterans themselves cover the violence with the phrase "Yes, they themselves fell under us", and the looting "These are trophies." According to the recollections of the front-line soldiers themselves and the victims (especially the Russian girls driven to Germany were subjected to violence), the rear officers, those same rear rats who spent the whole war in carts, in warehouses and other storage areas, were especially atrocities, and then after the war they loved to tell the kids about the war. Those who fought their way to the Reichstag simply had no time to do this, and you can't drag their gear into battle. After the war, thousands of logisticians hung with awards to the navel made up the main force of the Soviet agatprop, reacting angrily to any mention of violence and looting.


      I hope when you say it out loud, and not write on the website, there will be a person who will put you a good blanche for this matter.
      I have not yet met such scribbles, fortunately for them.

      The rat here is YOU. And with those soldiers who moved the convoys, drivers, support services, I WILL NOT even put you in comparison.
    4. +3
      April 29 2013 12: 52
      I wrote one book. I agree well. Are there other books on this subject?
      Read Dyukov_Za_chto_srazhalis_sovetskie_lyudi, Solonin_M._Net_Blaga_Na_Voyine, Vladimirov_Yu._Naliniifronta._V_Nemeckom_Plenu_Zapiski.
      By the way, an excerpt from her book: I hear how one of the Russians wants to take the girl away: her mother repeatedly repeats that she is only 9 years old. Russian does not believe, he says that German soldiers did the same, even worse. And other Red Army soldiers later told us that the Germans killed their parents, brothers, sisters, entire families and so on. I can’t believe it, I don’t believe it. I think of my father and Uncle Reinhold, who certainly could not have done anything like that. I think that Russian soldiers want to justify with such accusations what they allow themselves with us ...
      Where are our media outlets? Where are the cadets of the Cherepovets Military Institute? Let each European site contain photographs and evidence of their cultural treatment of our people.
      1. -3
        April 29 2013 19: 42
        You perfectly understand that it is NOT possible to respond to atrocities with the same coin. If you start acting like a murderer and scum, then you yourself become like that.
        1. +3
          April 29 2013 22: 31
          Quote: Nayhas
          You perfectly understand that it is NOT possible to respond to atrocities with the same coin.

          I advise you to talk to the veterans of the Second World War on this topic, only not with fake ones, of which there are many, but with those who were on the front end, unless of course you find someone else alive, or with "Afghans", or with those who fought in Chechnya, only again, with those who actually took part in the hostilities. After talking with them, you will surely become enlightened.
        2. stroporez
          0
          April 30 2013 13: 55
          I don’t understand why you are being minus
    5. +2
      April 29 2013 13: 57
      Yes, at least some books can be written or read. Violence and looting were on both sides, these are the costs of the war, there is no getting away from this. Only when they write such books, for some reason they don’t write about the Nazi authorities in the USSR. You can argue a lot who is more humane. There is only one fact that Western scribes cannot justify or refute. The USSR did not build concentration camps, the USSR did not bring prisoners from all over Europe, did not arrange any experiments on children, on the elderly. They did not divide people into purebreds and second-rate ones.
      1. -6
        April 29 2013 19: 38
        The crimes of the Germans in the occupied territories were condemned by the whole world, for this they planted, hanged and shot. Many books have been written about the atrocities of the Nazis and no one in the world is trying to justify these crimes. I will say more, and there were scumbags in the allied armies, but this was stopped at the root, because any officer understands that nothing decomposes the army like looting and violence, the army turns into rabble.
        Quote: Russian
        The USSR did not build concentration camps, the USSR did not bring prisoners from all over Europe

        After the liberation of Poland and the occupation of Germany, part of the German concentration camps entered the Gulag system, they contained German prisoners and people to be filtered.
        1. +1
          April 29 2013 20: 20
          Quote: Nayhas
          Crimes of the Germans
          And others like them
          Do not forget the different legionnaires, Bendera and all sorts of others
          Who is more chaos is not clear
          And not everyone got what they deserved
        2. 0
          April 29 2013 23: 49
          Quote: Nayhas
          After the liberation of Poland and the occupation of Germany, part of the German concentration camps entered the Gulag system

          This is not necessary. They already spoke very clearly about the Gulag and citizen Solzhenitsyn.
        3. 0
          2 May 2013 14: 31
          After the liberation of Poland and the occupation of Germany, part of the German concentration camps entered the Gulag system, they contained German prisoners and people to be filtered.

          And many were burned in crematoria or strangled in gas chambers? And didn’t your honest sources accompany the train to the USSR with gold crowns torn from harmless SS men, human hair, etc.
      2. +1
        April 29 2013 23: 46
        Quote: Russian
        Violence and looting were on both sides, these are the costs of war

        Although, in general, you are right. Nevertheless, with this phrase you are, as it were. put on one board the Nazis and Soviet soldiers. You can not do it this way. The Russian spirit protests against such a comparison.
    6. +1
      April 29 2013 23: 35
      But this is not true. Or half-truth. Which is much worse than a complete lie. My aunt was taken to Germany and many of her friends are fellow villagers. But not one was "" subjected to violence. "Sorry, you lied.
      And your half-truth is that you confuse trophies with looting. These are different things. And the lie is that isolated cases are called by you a system. And your lie is not harmless, far from it.
  29. 46bob46
    +13
    April 29 2013 08: 46
    With Russia, too, everything is not so happy. May 9 we will celebrate the day of the greatest Victory in history
    of humanity
    , won by the 15 republics of the Soviet Union. I would very much like to see representatives of their armed forces and veterans who have survived these days at the parade in Moscow. It would be nice to recognize that the Kazakhs, Azerbaijanis, Moldovans and many others remember and are proud of our common victory.
  30. +6
    April 29 2013 08: 47
    I don’t have all my relatives living in Germany, so I tell them openly, they’ll piss ourselves off.
    1. +6
      April 29 2013 12: 41
      Hi Vladimir
      Yes, it's not about your relatives here. Why are you scaring your own blood?
      And it was also said about age-old Germans - adequate people all understand everything.
      Friends came from West Germany (for clarification). From Cologne.
      So the head of the family looks at the T-34 tank in the center of Orel ... I don’t know what he thinks to himself there, but his eyes are dreary.
      His boy asks - why is the tank standing here. Parents tell him - German troops fought here. But the Russians won, so they put the tank.
      So Paul (boys) had square eyes - why did the Germans come to fight here?
      The youngest girl is in tears - war is not zer gut ...
      .....
      And ... well, how do they ... at school they start investing in brains ....? Zombie?
      ...
      There used to be so many editions - White Books, Blue Books, albums, almanacs.
      The films were - HUMAN.
      And now? Even this last one is the Fighters.
      Just made it - it was done in a hurry. This miserable airborne number 13 - well, everyone flew on it. Raped airplane, in short. Zampolites are average shitty people. But - Specialists - the best friends of pilots. And the mechanics.
      I completely forgot how.
      They spit on themselves completely. With iPhones with these.
      1. +1
        April 29 2013 20: 06
        But there is already progress. Specialist is a positive hero. With the movie "In August 44" this has not happened.
        1. 0
          April 29 2013 20: 25
          Quote: vlbelugin
          Specialist positive hero
          This, about the bad ones, is also a stamp of demonization. All were, like among
          commanders, political leaders, rear officers ...
          All of the people didn’t take anyone out
  31. +6
    April 29 2013 08: 58
    For a number of years a unique propaganda machine operates in the West, the fruits of "creativity" of which is the formation of citizens of a "united" Europe opinion on the barbarism of Soviet troops in Germany in the last months of the war ...

    Strictly speaking, the image of the "barbarian hordes of Asia" is several decades old.
    The trouble with Europe is that they consider themselves always and in everything right. This is a concept: we are gentlemen, and all the other servants that we have conquered. They failed to conquer Russia. That's why they are furious.
    We cannot achieve love and understanding of the Euro-Atlantic conglomeration by any efforts. And with this we will live. And we will survive all.
    1. +9
      April 29 2013 09: 19
      Quote: BigRiver
      For a number of years, a unique propaganda machine has been operating in the West,

      This propaganda machine has not stopped working for at least a thousand years. Its owners constantly rake Russian stars at every attempt to have something for themselves from Russia without its consent. And it is absolutely useless for them to prove something or justify themselves somehow. Russophobia in Europeans is already laid down at the genetic level. The truth is, understanding that it is very fraught to offend Russians, they only exist in short-term memory and exacerbations of historical amnesia occur regularly every few tens of years. Well, nothing, it will be necessary, we recall.
      1. +2
        April 29 2013 09: 41
        Quote: lewerlin53rus

        This propaganda machine has not stopped working for at least a thousand years

        Here is the context of the 2nd World War.
        Well, in general, it does not pull for a thousand years. The beginnings of the most propaganda machine in the West appeared only a couple of centuries ago. That is, when they appeared, at the state level, instruments of influence on the mass consciousness.
      2. +2
        April 29 2013 10: 40
        Even Honore de Balzac wrote in “Lost Illusions”: “There are two stories: a false official story ... and a secret story where the real causes of events are visible.”
        ... from "Blow of the Russian Gods"
    2. +5
      April 29 2013 10: 10
      Quote: BigRiver
      Strictly speaking, the image of the "barbarian hordes of Asia" is several decades old.


      Strictly speaking, this image is several centuries old.
      The Vatican began to form it, and at the end of the 17th century England actively supported it, and so to this day, I hope soon, together with the end of "Europe", this campaign will come to an end.
      1. +4
        April 29 2013 10: 28
        Quote: old rocket

        Began to shape it Vatican City, and at the end of the 17th century actively supported England ...

        The Vatican, by contrast, fueled the doctrine of "Moscow is the third Rome" since the middle of the XNUMXth century.
        Keyword - OTTOMANS am Russia was seen as a means of containing Turkish expansion towards Europe.
        But when the Ottomans were "flattened", then open and systemic anti-Russian propaganda began.
        Before its appearance, there was only a phobia of Western elites. There was no fear of the "eastern varavar" at the grassroots level.
        And Europe, in general, until the XNUMXth century was very different and far from uniform. They were constantly biting and fighting with each other.
        1. +2
          April 29 2013 15: 29
          I confirm that Europe is not united and they are ready to gnaw each other, are there really no one to give them information to warm up their interest in each other, then you look and it will not be up to us
      2. 0
        5 May 2013 10: 27
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        The Vatican began to form it, and at the end of 17

        Probably it all started with Attila's campaigns.
  32. +4
    April 29 2013 09: 00
    Resentment for our veterans, a sense of bitterness for our rulers, annoyance for the education of grandchildren ... It’s a weak consolation that "friends" are afraid of us. Better to be afraid than sympathetic!
  33. +7
    April 29 2013 09: 05
    In vain our grandfathers showed mercy to fascist German creatures. There was no point in sparing them, we won’t even get a good word from them. I am impressed that this whole campaign to denigrate Soviet soldiers is a prelude to something more. to the war with us and a new war for our annihilation. Read the articles on Inosmi, the Russians are to blame for everything, we are evil bloodthirsty and aggressive barbarians for them and they are heavenly angels. I will only say one thing in this case if the western degenerates climb on us again personally, none of them will receive mercy from me.
    1. +10
      April 29 2013 09: 53
      It should be noted that not only Germans were in the Nazi army. All of Europe went to rob our land, to kill and burn, as during the Napoleonic invasion. French, Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians, Dutch, Belgians, Danes, Swedes. The French, on the eastern front, died more than in their Resistance movement. Resistance movement participants - respect. But after all, most of the French either silently opened the rolls, or rushed to rob our land.
      I am driving with a friend from m-8. In the area of ​​Pereyaslavl. Took a ride a woman with a child 6-7 years old. Beginning of September. Section of the Golden Ring. Beautiful towns and villages. Along the road, they sell everything: fish, mushrooms, furs, honey, onions. Buses with foreigners are constantly scurrying around. We - three adults - are discussing this. Like, what do foreigners think seeing all this? The kid's voice from the back seat. Two words - "You can rob". )))

      Then, in the 45th, all of these civilized elves they deserved to be treated the same way they did with the Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians. But why get your hands dirty on this substance. So even better. But now we can observe the decay and decomposition of these nonhumans in real time. Delivers!
      1. +1
        2 May 2013 14: 48
        And in civil? How many of their vultures flew? And the same French, Spaniards, Italians, English, Czechs, Amers and many others. How they want us to have a tear! They will never be friends to us. Partners, if they are profitable.
    2. Natalia
      +1
      April 29 2013 16: 50
      Quote: albert
      In vain our grandfathers showed mercy to fascist German creatures.

      It is mercy to the unworthy that makes Russia - Russia. Due to the fact that Russia initially carries within it positive energy (creation, mercy, relative tolerance for enemies), it will exist for many many centuries.
      Hatred of anyone, of anything, carries the seeds of his own destruction ... and having achieved this goal, an elevated empire will fall sooner or later.


      Quote: albert
      Read the articles on Inosmi, the Russians are to blame for everything, we are there for them evil bloodthirsty and aggressive barbarians and they are heavenly angels.

      just raging means in the right direction moved, this is what annoys them.
  34. +5
    April 29 2013 09: 11
    Even if such persecution began ... and even from the side of defeated Germany, then our country is becoming increasingly weak. Nobody is afraid of us anymore. Even Tajikistan began to open its mouth in spite of complete liberalism towards immigrants from there. When Russia will again become strong and powerful. It’s a pity, but apparently not soon ... But as I would like !!!
    1. +2
      April 29 2013 10: 41
      Quote: rennim
      ... and even from the side of defeated Germany, it means that our country is becoming increasingly weak.

      On the contrary, the more they watch, the more stink.
  35. +7
    April 29 2013 09: 13
    A Soviet soldier who set foot on a non-hamlet could not be 100% white and fluffy. If they want to "scratch", they will find the negative. And let yourself. What are we waiting for - will Europe start talking positively about us? Of course not.
    Let them shout, if only the caravan would not stop. It is necessary to change the country, to make it strong, prosperous, to grow, to become higher. Pugs will bark and yes and x with them.
    1. +3
      April 29 2013 09: 57
      Yes, everything was right. Only a little. You must answer ten times for the death of your relative.
  36. +24
    April 29 2013 09: 19
    Recall and bow. Everlasting memory!
  37. Grishka100watt
    +4
    April 29 2013 09: 25
    These European yodas, moral and physical, tread on the holiest !!
    HATE !!!!!!!!!
  38. Belogor
    +6
    April 29 2013 09: 27
    "Against this background, the already familiar bagpipes about non-observance of human rights, about war crimes and even about the genocide of the German people, which are served on the European (and even on the Russian) table under a spicy sauce, is being started out of the need to find those who should answer for the" crimes " Soviet soldiers in Germany in 1945. "

    So for any propaganda there should be its own propaganda (counter-propaganda) where it is necessary to convey the truth, because not only you need to buy all sorts of production facilities, but also their media. After all, there are successful projects like RT. All this will pay off handsomely, because human relations also affect business.
  39. +5
    April 29 2013 09: 32
    It's a shame and bitter to hear something like that today, I will not hide it. But time will put everything in its place, and this "Goebbels' gay propaganda" will disappear like smoke, only the memory of the Soviet soldier-liberator will remain. And as for Solzhenitsyn's rhyming and his vile opuses, let it remain on his conscience, he has long condemned himself, let him now toss and turn in his coffin.
    GLORY TO THE WINNING SOLDIER, GLORY TO THE REMAINING SOLDIER, ETERNAL MEMORY TO ALL WARRIORS LIFE HIS LIVING HIS POSITION ON THE ALTAR OF THE VICTORY.
    1. wax
      +3
      April 29 2013 14: 56
      And how Solzhenitsyn screwed up with Sholokhov. The Jew could not remain silent, because believed that the Russian, especially the young, could not write "Quiet Don", to which Solzhenitsyn, as to heaven. But manuscripts were found. Solzhenitsyn is not our man.
  40. nickname 1 and 2
    +17
    April 29 2013 09: 33
    I am 68 years old ! The opinion and foundations of my age of people are probably not unknown.
    But the opinion of young people is important to know! Are there many young people on the forum?

    In the info about the nickname it would be nice to see the person’s age behind the nickname!

    What is my attitude?
    And what can it be if my father returned from war without the right lung? If until 1953 he went into a cough all night and in the mornings a basin with the blood that he coughed was taken out.
    And other war invalids have seen enough. They did not live long.
    Everlasting memory!
    We have enough worthy young guys to wallow to any aggressor!
    One must calmly relate to these cries from their filthy mouths.
    Let them whine! Whine means afraid! Dirty mongrel not when they become noble. Such is their destiny!
    1. -2
      April 29 2013 22: 38
      Quote: nick 1 and 2
      In the info about the nickname it would be nice to see the person’s age behind the nickname!

      Maybe you can also provide full personal data here, you didn’t serve as a case in a special department, or as a military prosecutor’s office laughing
  41. +20
    April 29 2013 09: 37
    I DO NOT BELIEVE Solzhenitsyn. I believe my grandfather. Near Budapest, in front of the entire regiment, a sergeant was shot, who went through the whole war. He raped a 16 year old girl. No one was interested in whether rape or not. There was a complaint. Two orders of Glory and other awards, epaulettes were ripped off before the formation, the verdict and execution were read.
    I am not saying that all of us are angels. No. But talking about the widespread negative behavior of our soldiers is an abomination. But we must not forget that there is a war, an information war. The war for the souls and minds of people. And we can’t lose. If we lose this war, we will betray all those who gave their lives for us.
    On May 9, I put on my uniform and lead my granddaughters to entrust. This is a tradition.
    Glory to our warriors winners. Glory to our Soviet Army. Eternal memory to the fallen. Health alive.
    1. wax
      +3
      April 29 2013 15: 27
      http://www.perspektivy.info/history/krasnaja_armija_v_jevrope_v_1945_godu_staryj
      e_i_novyje_stereotipy_vosprijatija_v_rossii_i_na_zapade_2012-05-04.htm

      Here is the order of Stalin.
  42. +8
    April 29 2013 09: 52
    Well, the news about the Solzhenitsyn laureate, for this poem of him, not only in Vermont, on the Novaya Zemlya archipelago forever. What abomination he is, how he hated Soviet power, the Red Army and Russian soldiers.
    DEATH TO GERMAN OCCUPIERS! GLORY TO THE SOVIET ARMY AND ITS COMMANDING COMMANDER! Let the memory of anti-Soviet Nobel laureates and real literary white-bandits decay: Svinadze, an adviser to the president, Pivovarov, a historical pervert and the rest of the shit.
    1. +4
      April 29 2013 10: 14
      In the meantime, students at school are studying Solzhenitsyn ... "The Story of a Real Man" is no longer taught ...
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      -12
      April 29 2013 10: 28
      Well, start with the fact that Solzhenitsyn himself passed the Second World War. He, along with thousands of innocent people, was thrown into camps.
      1. 0
        April 29 2013 22: 41
        Quote: Krasnoyarets
        Solzhenitsyn himself passed the Second World War.

        "Pass" does not mean to fight
      2. +3
        April 30 2013 09: 31
        Quote: Krasnoyarets
        Well, start with the fact that Solzhenitsyn himself passed the Second World War. He, along with thousands of innocent people, was thrown into camps.

        Yesterday I was curious about this topic. I didn’t see a combat biography.
        But that is not the point. Not everyone was able to fight at the forefront, and that’s understandable.
        But after reading the lines from the aforementioned "poem", the language does not turn out to call Solzhenitsyn not only a front-line soldier, but also a Russian man.
        Typical Westerner.
  43. +7
    April 29 2013 09: 55
    The Russian demon is a very convenient way to justify the atrocities of the fascists in our USSR and throughout Europe. Apparently they want to erase from the European peoples the memory of the Russian soldier who saved millions of lives in many countries. I was in Germany in 1991 and in the FRG and in the GDR, and not a single German told me anything that Solzhenitsyn writes. Apparently they forgot how the Germans themselves were killed in German concentration camps, Poles, Slovaks and a lot of other peoples, not to mention the Jews. I wonder who in Europe watched the film "The Old Gun" with Philippe Noiret? Do these scum from propaganda really hope that people will forget in what agony our soldiers were dying after the war from wounds, tuberculosis of bones after being wounded by shrapnel, like women in the USSR, their husbands, who were 20-30 years old at the end of the war were taken to hospitals for sledges, carriages, how many of them died before reaching 60 years old, because the Nazis added arsenic to the metal shells, grenades. In my village, after the liberation in 1943, only one stove remained. They destroyed half of the country. And now they are moaning - the Russians were bad. History will not forgive Western propaganda for the most impudent and shameless lies.
  44. ded10041948
    +7
    April 29 2013 10: 08
    Well, they are all white and fluffy there. They brought culture to us (women — underwear and stockings, in gratitude for the kindness; children — marmalade and margarine as payment for footmen’s services), and here the Russian savage took a dumb and ill-educated man and crashed into a brazen face. Not only that, came to visit!
    Just do not confuse the Warrior-Liberator with a warehouse (rear) rat. Soldier trophies (regardless of rank) are weapons. With two suitcases of junk you will not run to the attack! And for more than attributing your behavior to the Soviet Army, are you already short of brains?
    Eternal memory and glory to our fathers and grandfathers for what we are!
  45. +4
    April 29 2013 10: 10
    Lord, what is it that just started now? It’s their own fault, how much Mr. Poured himself on his head apparently experiencing sadomasochic pleasure, no matter how regrettable but the positive image of the Soviet soldier, as a brave, intelligent and perfectly armed soldier who loves and is proud of his country, showed only Viktor Suvorov and all !!! Disgrace, everything else is tracing paper with a penal battalion and weary of the sun and other shit from the times of the 90-2000s.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      0
      April 30 2013 18: 22
      I want to note who didn’t want, he didn’t pour it, and even on himself.

      Yes, and people should not be blamed, I think so - it was a temporary defeat of our counterintelligence and the Army intelligence services.

      It's just that with the advent of perestroika, while we were all discussing UFOs, Kashpirovsky and the Loch Ness monster, breathing "freedom" and "paying off," the advanced special organizations of European clans and ancient orders quietly bought all TV, newspapers and telegraph (for a penny) - and this a weapon of mass destruction.

      And having undermined the foundations of Soviet education, replacing it with drugs, juvenile delinquency and neglect, it was a simple matter of technique to "convince" that this was the case.

      And the feat of our people in the Great Patriotic War is another foundation, having broken that, they could destroy us, as Hitler planned with the Nazis
  46. UFO
    -3
    April 29 2013 10: 14
    I know that I will go against the grain, but if in every city we had monuments to Chinese (any other) liberators who defeated my country, I would not like it either. Several generations of Germans have already grown up, to whom these monuments remind of their "inferiority", who will like it? recourse
    1. +4
      April 29 2013 10: 17
      And let them look and draw conclusions for the future ....
      1. UFO
        -3
        April 29 2013 10: 23
        You can’t be guilty all your life! Your ancestors are to blame, your children are to blame, etc. Put yourself in their place?
        1. wax
          +3
          April 29 2013 15: 32
          And who blames the children? Just do not distort the story. And no one bothers to be proud of new achievements.
    2. +3
      April 29 2013 10: 44
      Quote: UFO
      Several generations of Germans have already grown up, to whom these monuments remind of their "inferiority", who will like it?
      Damage in what? Who infringed on these generations? None of the REASONABLE Russians remind them of fascism and say that they are flawed. And the monuments to them are a reminder of what will happen if they want to repeat what their ancestors wanted to do and what they achieved.
    3. djon3volta
      +4
      April 29 2013 10: 57
      Quote: UFO
      but if in each city we had monuments to Chinese (any other) warriors - liberators who defeated my country, I would not like that either.

      USSR why attack the Chinese? And imagine the Americans with nuclear bombs would drop the USSR in the 50-60s, although we were not going to bomb them first.
      they all, FIRST, climb on us, and then turn it around so that WE are supposedly to blame for attacking or wanting to attack us. in Japan, some people think that the Soviets dropped atomic bombs on them, not the Americans. Yesterday they showed these Miss Russia, she’s about 20 years old, her mother is Japanese, her father is Rksian, and she didn’t even hear about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, if you ask how much it will be 2 + 2, she will immediately answer, she will think for a few seconds! belay
      1. UFO
        0
        April 29 2013 11: 10
        [quote = Mechanic]

        [quote = djon3volta]
        You don’t need to convince me, both of my grandfathers died. It's just that Germany is still an occupied country, they are constantly "poked" with fascism, they are reminded of "who is the winner", etc., and people want to be proud of their HOMELAND, and so on. feel
    4. 0
      April 29 2013 14: 30
      And who called them to us?
    5. 0
      April 30 2013 00: 11
      This is impossible with us. Nobody ever set us free. This Russia has always liberated everyone. And, apparently, in vain did it.
    6. Kostya pedestrian
      0
      April 30 2013 18: 33
      You correctly noted, but the monuments are to the Soviet Soldiers-Liberators. Which saved the German people from their own psychopath and a geek who not only PRO-ka2l his rich colonies to the British, Romanian oil, killed his wife, destroyed defenseless and civilians, but reiterated in practice that the Germans should not listen to various German chauvinists and grab the knives on their orders - there are not any warriors from them.

      So real Germans, patriots understand this, and if someone tries to brainwash them again, well, well - not many Germans remain in Germany, and I don’t have a problem with Algerians, Syrians and Turks - they bargain better , but it’s a pity the German medetsin. They, as doctors, are very smart and talented.
  47. 0
    April 29 2013 10: 21
    And naturally they think badly about us, because they are worse than us, they would be better, they would not be up to us. We, the Russian people, should score and not pay attention to such miserable stuffing.
  48. Krasnoyarsk
    -13
    April 29 2013 10: 23
    The article is idle talk, and rape in Germany in 1945 was suddenly committed by people of Asian appearance.
    1. +1
      April 29 2013 10: 28
      Rape in Russia was committed by persons of Aryan appearance. Why would it?
  49. -5
    April 29 2013 10: 24
    "In the West, a campaign has been launched to demonize the victorious Soviet soldier"


    Can specific examples of recent years? And then I did not understand what it was about.
    1. +2
      April 29 2013 10: 46
      Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
      Can specific examples of recent years? And then I did not understand what it was about.


      It is deployed in the West, and is in Russia, so that you would understand.
      1. -14
        April 29 2013 11: 28
        It’s not clearer. The author beats his heel in the chest, another 200 kaments in the same vein, and why all the fuss is unclear.
        Or is it a regular topic before Victory Day?
        1. +5
          April 29 2013 11: 56
          Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
          It’s not clearer.
          For the gifted. So it became clearer?
          1. -10
            April 29 2013 12: 47
            The trick of the vandals. This can happen in the former USSR as well. Somehow it does not pull as much as a whole "campaign unfolded in the West", etc.
            My question is primarily to the author of the article, if that. Are you an author?
            1. 0
              April 29 2013 19: 07
              Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
              The trick of vandals.
              Yah? That is, the parade of unconventionally offended is the vandals? Not tolerant of geyrop. They will refuse you.
              1. 0
                April 30 2013 15: 13
                Yah? That is, the parade of unconventionally offended is the vandals? Not tolerant of geyrop. They will refuse you.


                Well, you can't call this a "demonization campaign" either. And you can be a vandal regardless of your sexual orientation.
            2. 0
              April 30 2013 09: 36
              Joachim Hoffmann. Stalins Vernichtungskrieg 1941-1945.
              FA Verlagsbuchhandlung GmbH, München, 1998.
              Moscow, 2006.

              There is an abomination in Russia that prints such books.
        2. +3
          April 29 2013 12: 01
          Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
          It’s not clearer.

          You simply have no desire.
          1. -8
            April 29 2013 12: 50
            You just do not have desire

            I just have a desire to understand the subject of discussion. Most commentators seem to have the only desire - to throw out hatred towards someone. And there is a reason or not - the tenth matter.
            1. 0
              April 29 2013 13: 41
              Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
              And there is a reason or not - the tenth matter.


              Who would say that. This is just the policy of Israel.
              1. -2
                April 29 2013 13: 54
                Who would say that. This is just the policy of Israel.


                The transfer of arrows went to Israel. How predictable.
                The article is called "A campaign has been launched in the West to demonize the victorious Soviet soldier."
                At the same time, there is no specifics in the article itself. Some anonymous "propagandists" and anonymous "media"
                I asked a perfectly reasonable question - what exactly is it about. I can’t wait for answers, it seems.
                1. 0
                  April 29 2013 14: 35
                  Some anonymous "propagandists" and anonymous "media"

                  And with this, it was necessary to start, by the way, yes, and what kind of organizations are doing this, in the article there is only a link somewhere in Germany and a mustache request
                  1. -2
                    April 29 2013 15: 14
                    This was where we had to start

                    Obviously, I unsuccessfully expressed my thought at first. Mea culpa.

                    by the way, yes, and what kind of organizations are doing this, in the article there is only a link somewhere in Germany and a mustache


                    And Germany is not the whole "West", especially in terms of approach to the history of WWII.
                    1. +2
                      April 29 2013 17: 24
                      Listen, a tourist who doesn’t understand it in Russian, everything is written there, you don’t understand, come and explain to us on your fingers.
                      1. +2
                        April 29 2013 20: 48
                        Listen, a tourist who doesn’t understand it in Russian, everything is written there, you don’t understand, come and explain to us on your fingers.

                        I don’t understand your aggression, the person asked a logical question: who actually launched the anti-Russian company?
                        He wants to find out which media were involved, which bloggers, which journalists in particular, and you are watering his guano, it’s not in Russian, because force is in the truth.
                      2. 0
                        April 29 2013 22: 37
                        Thank you, but there seems to be no answer. It looks like another article, the purpose of which is to give reason for self-affirmation to high school students.
                        Guys, nothing can be built on one bare hatred of the West. We need to do something positive ourselves, to create something. This applies to both the army and patriotic education. Yes, and the country as a whole.
                      3. +1
                        April 30 2013 00: 21
                        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                        It looks like another article, the purpose of which is to give reason for self-assertion to high school students

                        This is a very high and noble goal. Even if she is the only one. Children should know that they live in Great Russia. They should be proud of their country, their history, their past, their ancestors. Then they will not grow notorious and flawed. Then they will live so that our country remains Great and that their children are proud of it. And so on to infinity.
                      4. +1
                        April 30 2013 10: 49
                        This is a very high and noble goal. Even if she is the only one. Children should know that they live in Great Russia. They should be proud of their country, their history, their past, their ancestors. Then they will not grow notorious and flawed. Then they will live so that our country remains Great and that their children are proud of it. And so on to infinity.


                        I agree one hundred percent. But why should pride in Great Russia necessarily be combined with negativity towards other countries and peoples? See how much hatred in kamenty.
                      5. +1
                        April 29 2013 23: 35
                        Bazarov there is no power in truth, so the truth is behind us And he spreads demagogy who said who wrote few articles or books and skok films filmed let him read contemporary German writers if he really wants to figure it out or if grandfather fought for him to do it with me he was running partisan in 66 he died I do not need to understand, and so I see how the descendants of Goebbels continue his work.
                      6. +2
                        April 30 2013 11: 07
                        You might think you've read German writers. The West is big, and the presence of a few marginal leftists does not mean a "demonization campaign".
                        For example, if, as I begin to assert, referring to Irving, that "in the West, a campaign has been launched to deny the Holocaust."
                        By the way, didn’t you think that these horror stories also have a positive educational effect, because they will forever discourage the new generation of burghers from thinking about the fourth Reich, telling how such adventures end?
                    2. +1
                      April 30 2013 13: 19
                      Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                      And Germany is not the whole "West", especially in terms of approach to the history of WWII.

                      In Germany there is no mass Russophobia and hatred. And with the swastikas, some strange citizens flee to Russia and pour mud on Soviet WWII soldiers.
                      Recently, people in general have become very frivolous about history.
                      1. 0
                        April 30 2013 15: 16
                        In Russia, in view of a real crisis of ideology, in general, everything is sad. Some celebrate both Hitler’s birthday and Victory Day.
                2. Ratibor12
                  +4
                  April 29 2013 16: 04
                  Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                  Some anonymous "propagandists" and anonymous "mass media" I asked quite a reasonable question - what exactly is it about.


                  The tin can's anxiety is understandable - the hat is on fire on the thief. And on whom the side-skirts are smoking. It is understandable that Jews specialize primarily in banks and the media. And who are these "anonymous propagandists"? The question, the stump is clear, is rhetorical.
                  1. +2
                    April 29 2013 19: 09
                    Quote: Ratibor12
                    It is understandable that Jews specialize primarily in banks and the media
                    What about pharmacies and sewing workshops?
                    1. Ratibor12
                      0
                      April 30 2013 01: 53
                      Quote: Mechanic
                      Quote: Ratibor12
                      It is understandable that Jews specialize primarily in banks and the media
                      What about pharmacies and sewing workshops?


                      Banks and Media - they are kosher !!!
                  2. +1
                    April 29 2013 19: 52
                    Quote: Ratibor12
                    Jews specialize primarily in banks and the media
                    I would not want to talk about them now, but since the conversation has come ...
                    There is one more specialty, let everyone, upon reading himself, call it to himself.
                    Demonized not only soldiers, it has become very fashionable all blame J.V. Stalin, what he did and what he did not do. Not about that now, there is one merit. He did not allow such "professionals", as they admitted at the end of the 1st World
                    Let's see one curious document
                    1. ULYANOV, Vladimir Ilyich (Lenin);
                    2. SULISHVILI, David Sokratovich;
                    3.UULYANOVA, Nadezhda Konstantinovna (Krupskaya);
                    4. ARMAND, Inessa Fedorovna;
                    5. SAFAROV, Georgy Ivanovich;
                    6. Safarova - Martoshkina Valentina Sergeevna;
                    7. Kharitonov, Moses Motkovich;
                    8. KONSTANTINOVICH, Anna Evgenievna;
                    9. USIEVICH, Grigory Alexandrovich;
                    10. Usievich (KOH), Elena Feliksovna;
                    11.RAVVICH, Sarah Naumovna;
                    12. Tskhakaya, Mikhail Grigoryevich;
                    13. SKOWLY, Abram Anchilovich;
                    14. RADOMYSLSKY, Ovsey Gershen Aronovich; (Zinoviev);
                    15. RADOMYSLSKAYA, Zlata Evnovna; (with son 5 years old)
                    16. Boytsov N. (Radek KB) (Sobelson)
                    17. RIVKIN, Zalman Burke Oserovich;
                    18. SLYUSAREVA, Nadezhda Mikhailovna;
                    19. GOBERMAN, Mikhail Vulfovich;
                    20. ABRAMOVICH, May Zelikov;
                    21. LINDE, Johann Arnold Johannovich;
                    22. DIAMOND, Grigory Yakovlevich; (Sokolnikov);
                    23. MIRINGOF, Ilya Davidovich;
                    24. MIRINGOF, Maria Efimovna;
                    25. ROSENBLUM, David Mordukhovich;
                    26. PAYNESON, Semyon Gershovich;
                    27. GREBELSKY, Fanya;
                    28. POGOVSKAYA, Bunya Hemovna; (with 4's son)
                    29. AIZENBUND, Meer Kivov.
                    30. Rubakov (Anders).
                    31. Egorov (Erich).

                    What it is? Payment statement? Recording waiting lists for visiting the synagogue? No - this is a list of passengers of the very Lenin sealed train
                    What do we call this profession?
            2. Ratibor12
              +3
              April 29 2013 15: 53
              Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
              I just have a desire to understand the subject of discussion.


              Oh! So this canned food with botulism does not understand the subject? Well, if it were a Jewish cemetery with a painted swastika, these paisas in a tomato would quickly figure out what was happening! Yes

              Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
              Most commentators seem to have the only desire - to throw out hatred towards someone.

              Well yes! Well yes! Oh, these goyim! Where to go from them! request
  50. Marek Rozny
    +14
    April 29 2013 10: 32
    In Kazakhstan, they do not understand at all how anti-Soviet, anti-Russian films are made in Russia. Moreover, for the state account. Spawned "istoregov" who only write about the bloody gebna and "filled up with corpses." Plus, the worst thing is the demolition of monuments to the Soviet wars in Russia itself. Etc. etc. During international meetings, Russians, in conversation with foreigners on the historical topic, always began to say that we had only one bungling, that the war was won by an inhuman number of victims, and so on. I always interrupt and say that in Russia they were brainwashed by the Solzhenitsyn-Suvorov-Mikhalkov and other scribblers-directors. Take offense, do not be offended, but in reality, Russians already hardly distinguish between where the truth is and where the lie. And the fooling comes from different sides and constantly.
  51. +4
    April 29 2013 10: 46
    What a s.v.o.l.o.ch.b - this Solzhenitsyn! It’s these kinds of bastards that “our” “human rights activists” worry about. And with this “patriot” of the Motherland they are also running around: either a memorial evening or a museum... He should not have been allowed into Russia under any “sauce” any more And it’s “how can we organize Russia?”... It’s bastards like him who are organizing it under the leadership of the CIA... In my soul it’s BOILING!
    1. -1
      April 29 2013 22: 50
      Quote: ia-ai00
      What a s.v.o.l.o.ch.b - this Solzhenitsyn!

      However, in Kazakhstan the deadline was too long, but they didn’t let him bend, so you also put a little hand into nurturing him laughing
  52. rereture
    0
    April 29 2013 10: 47
    The bilious people in Europe quickly forget the good, but the evil will be remembered for centuries.
    It's a bit of a shame, of course.
  53. rereture
    +4
    April 29 2013 10: 49
    The bilious people in Europe quickly forget the good, but the evil will be remembered for centuries.
    It's a bit of a shame, of course.
  54. +2
    April 29 2013 10: 50
    Not a “Soviet victorious soldier,” but a “Russian liberator soldier.”
    The author himself has picked up modern cliches and, without noticing it, plays along with those against whom the article is directed.
    It is so liberal to reduce the war between the USSR and the Western coalition to several military battles, but not for oil, but for living space.
    In fact, the USSR had to free the West from the brown plague, as an extreme stage of the disease of Western civilization.
    1. +4
      April 29 2013 14: 31
      Not a “Soviet victorious soldier”, but a “Russian liberator soldier”

      Do you want to say that the Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Georgians, Ossetians, Yakuts, Ukrainians and other peoples living on the territory of the USSR did not fight, but only the Russians fought? Ek, you bent.
      1. 0
        April 29 2013 20: 52
        We Russians are heroes, of course, but we shouldn’t forget our friends. Next time they’ll be offended and won’t come... but they’ll get the cabbage soup alone.
        Together - we are force!
        1. +1
          April 29 2013 22: 56
          Quote: cth; fyn
          but you shouldn’t forget your friends either.

          Russia has only two friends: its army and navy!!!
      2. +1
        April 29 2013 22: 54
        Quote: cth; fyn
        Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Georgians, Ossetians, Yakuts, Ukrainians and other peoples

        All of them, by the Germans and their allies, were perceived as Russians, just as now in Europe and the Americans call all immigrants from Russia and the former Soviet republics Russians
        1. 0
          April 30 2013 00: 28
          This is what all immigrants cannot forgive us Russians for. The complexes work. They don’t understand that they should be proud.
  55. +10
    April 29 2013 10: 50
    Late again! I agree with almost everyone +, (with rare exceptions). I'll say it anyway. After all that the fucking civilizers did on our Earth and with Our people, that the “progressive Protestants” Swedes crucified the “damned schismatics”, that the “refined” Franks plundered Moscow, that a super civilized bunch of Europoids came to us under Nazi banners and in response, this whole rabid pack did not receive even a thousandth of what they should have received and to which we had every moral right. We always feel sorry for the wretched losers. They sit quietly for a while, and then, seeing that they don’t hit, and they’ve gained fat, they go back to the old ways, and we make excuses to whom?

    "Fear the wrath of a patient man."

    "Patience will end and the Russian family will rise,
    For your crime,
    Enemies will receive a black year
    And they will bequeath meekness to grandchildren.

    Since there was and is no honor,
    let fear clear your mind!
    And therefore the custom
    we should have something like this -
    Pay for everything. In full. And right away!"
  56. kot9ra
    +2
    April 29 2013 10: 53
    “Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword.” The main thing is that they don’t completely drink themselves to death and become Tallerasts. If the start has been given for the destruction of our Russia, there will be a Finish, but it is not known what it will be.
    1. +2
      April 29 2013 19: 57
      Quote: kot9ra
      but it is not known what
      Known which IS ALWAYS was!
  57. BAT
    +4
    April 29 2013 10: 58
    As for me, let the geyrope think what they want about our soldier. And the more they fear “Asian-Russian monsters and demons” the better. Let them be afraid.
    Another thing is that the same thing is happening to us ourselves. When you read some scribblers, your hair stands on end. It got to the point where it was no longer Hitler and his horde who attacked the USSR, but it was like I.V. Stalin who started the war.
    And our gebnya is bloody, and the barrier detachments mowed down hundreds of thousands of fighters, and the entire Red Army consisted entirely of penal battalions, staffed with seasoned criminals. It's time for us to put things in order.
    It is necessary to ban all this nonsense writings of all sorts of Solzhenitsyns, Rezuns, Svinidzes and other pro-Western litter.
    And it’s time to pay close attention to the patriotic education of our children a long time ago. This is where the time bomb is. Soon it will respond to us so much that it won’t seem like enough.
    Let the geyropa be afraid of us. It will be more accommodating.
    1. +2
      April 29 2013 11: 10
      But is it bad that Stalin was preparing a blow against Hitler? As for me, if June 22 had not happened, and the Red Army had dealt a crushing blow to Hitler, it would have been a huge plus for our country, and not only for our country.
    2. +4
      April 29 2013 11: 12
      I agree with you, but it makes no sense to ban. They will spread “samizdat” among themselves and pose as awesome fighters against Russia and the regime! It must be countered with information, upbringing, education. It’s banal, of course, but there is no other way.
  58. +7
    April 29 2013 11: 10
    Why be surprised here? Who is in power in Europe now? Those who made the sex revolution in Europe in the 60-70s. Hence the permission of same-sex marriages and the attempt to legitimize pedophelia. No morality, just freedom, s-e-k-s and drugs. To have more supporters, they need a monster with which to intimidate their citizens. -"either you support our values ​​or the steppe people will come and ........" Something like that.
  59. +9
    April 29 2013 11: 14
    Solzhenitsyn has been in the active army since February 1943. Despite the ban (nothing strange during wartime), he kept a diary, corresponded with a comrade, calling Stalin a godfather (where such petty criminal inclinations came from, after all, he had not yet been imprisoned). Moreover, he drew up a program for a certain organization after the war that would fight for the return of the so-called “Leninist norms”! Naturally, it is quite natural that SMERSH became interested in this “red commander”, as a result of which another “prisoner of conscience” and “great writer” appeared!
    I want to say that if at least part of what is described in “Prussian Nights” is true, Solzhenitsyn should have been arrested much earlier, as an obvious accomplice to the crime! Let me remind you, he was an officer! This is an obvious flaw of SMERSH, although in justification I will say that the guys had enough work - they fought without interruption for “literary creativity”!
    Quote: UFO
    You can’t be guilty all your life! Your ancestors are to blame, your children are to blame, etc. Put yourself in their place?

    Don’t worry about them so much, there is someone to feel sorry for them without you.
  60. +5
    April 29 2013 11: 16
    Quote: Mechanic
    Quote: bask
    Let them say GREAT THANKS - LOW BOW. RUSSIAN-SOVIET SOLDIERS THAT SAVED THE WORLD FROM ,, brown plague ,,
    Hello dear. It would be better not to be released. Hitler would not allow homosexuals to develop like this. His mistake was to climb to the RSFSR (USSR). And so together we could rule the whole world.
    Quote: bask
    ETERNAL GLORY TO SOLDIERS OF THE WWII.
    I agree. Eternal glory and let future generations not build illusions and remember who defended their right to be born and live.

    Our descendants are glorious grandfathers and fathers!!! We must respond more decisively to such statements from the West! They have already rewritten history! Shouldn't you give them a whack?!
  61. Sweet
    0
    April 29 2013 11: 23
    Guys, how about an invitation to the Allied parade on May 9? :3

    We fought together and I want my compatriots to also participate in the celebration. Will you let me in?
    1. +1
      April 29 2013 11: 25
      Quote: Sweet
      We fought together and I want my compatriots to also participate in the celebration. Will you let me in?
      For God's sake. Let them apply...
  62. +5
    April 29 2013 11: 31
    You cannot live only in the past, moreover, mythologized, idealized and unknown with documentary accuracy! Now the “berries” are ripe. Many people write about Solzhenitsyn here. It’s hard for me to call him a “great” writer. But for some reason they forget about “Little Land” and about dozens of similar “woeful memories” that appeared in the 1970s and 80s, about “artistic” fakes in the cinema, in the theater, in the press, about thoughtless companies “praising” the Victory , but in fact they only disavow its significance in the eyes of post-war generations. Everything was planned out like clockwork, “great” writers and directors passed off any lampoon as a “new” word in the artistic understanding of the Second World War. All this turned the youth of that time away from learning the truth about the war and made it “unknown.” And the collapse of the USSR completed this matter. There are very few achievements in modern Russia. And they remain silent. And it’s a shame to watch how ribbons from Russian military orders flutter on German limousines, and talkers of all stripes from TV screens broadcast about the great feat of the people. Should they talk about it? The Russian people did not benefit from the fruits of the Victory. Just like victories in previous wars of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. And there is no need to look for those to blame. We need to ask ourselves why this is happening, and then think about where to put a tick on the ballot, which TV channel to watch, and who is considered a great artist, politician and commander.
    1. 0
      April 30 2013 00: 45
      How true! Very, very correct.
      Quote: 1536
      We need to ask ourselves why this happens

      How true. About a year and a half ago, driving along the Leningradskoe Highway (by bus), where the anti-tank hedgehogs are standing, right next to them - a huge, gigantic billboard with an inscription in German! (Some kind of German car brand, I don’t remember). First you see this shield, and at the foot of it there are anti-tank hedgehogs from the war. It was a shock... It’s a pity that there was no camera. Really, no one saw? Was no one paying attention?! I don't know what's there now. How?
  63. 0
    April 29 2013 11: 31
    In the West, launched a campaign to demonize the Soviet soldier - the winner
  64. +6
    April 29 2013 11: 34
    And this scum of Solzhenichnaya was awarded titles and prizes during the period of general democratization, it was not for nothing that he was put behind bars in those Great and difficult times, it’s a pity there was no sharpening or ax for this bitch. ETERNAL GLORY TO THE SOVIET SOLDIERS who liberated the WORLD AT THE PRICE OF THEIR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  65. +5
    April 29 2013 11: 35
    But in my opinion, the Gay Europeans simply forgot how the tracks of Russian tanks clank along the Gay European pavements.
  66. +3
    April 29 2013 11: 35
    You cannot live only in the past, moreover, mythologized, idealized and unknown with documentary accuracy! I also find it hard to call Mr. Solzhenitsyn a “great” writer. But for some reason they forget about “Little Land” and about dozens of similar “woeful memories” that appeared in the 1970s and 80s, about “artistic” fakes in the cinema, in the theater, in the press, about thoughtless companies “praising” the Victory , but in fact they only disavow its significance in the eyes of post-war generations. The collapse of the USSR completed this matter. Today it’s a shame to watch how ribbons from Russian military orders flutter on German limousines, and talkers of all stripes from TV screens broadcast about the great feat of the people. We did not take advantage of the fruits of Victory. Just like victories in previous wars of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. And there is no need to look for those to blame. We need to ask ourselves, why is this happening?
    1. +4
      April 29 2013 19: 48
      What do you mean by Malaya Zemlya? Leonid Ilyich was there. And he repeatedly went on the attack personally, swearing at the fighters. Now all the political officers (film scripts) are bastards. But in reality, he didn’t hide behind people’s backs. The book, although edited, is written from his memoirs. And he had something to remember.
      1. +3
        April 29 2013 20: 20
        And there, on Malaya Zemlya, Brezhnev was wounded in the larynx and because of this he had problems with his voice, which the liberal brutes laugh at.
      2. +3
        April 29 2013 20: 33
        Quote: vlbelugin
        Small Earth. Leonid Ilyich was there
        On a trip to Baku, and the 18th Army, where he fought, was being formed, they showed him the museum of this army. Apparently they really wanted to please him, but they overdid it. He didn’t like it and said that if you listen to you like that, the 18th won the whole war
        Worthy of respect! And who rushed to criticize him? A head with a patch, but what did you create?
      3. +2
        April 29 2013 20: 36
        Quote: vlbelugin
        Leonid Ilyich was there. And he repeatedly went on the attack personally, swearing at the fighters.

        Exactly
        On September 16, 2004, a monument to Brezhnev was solemnly erected in Novorossiysk. This is the only monument to Brezhnev in Russia. The fact is that in military chronicles there are clear records of the decisive decisions of officer Brezhnev, who fought on the territory of Novorossiysk with the fascist occupiers. Therefore, Brezhnev for Novorossiysk is, first of all, a defender. And only after that, a person associated with high politics.
        Monuments are not erected just like that...
    2. +2
      April 29 2013 19: 55
      Yes, "Small Earth" did not bring any harm besides emotion and a reason for jokes, everyone knew perfectly well why it was composed. And Solzhenitsyn’s “great masterpieces” are aimed at destroying the sense of dignity and self-respect of Soviet people, at instilling GUILT for their history. It is necessary, like during the Inquisition, to collect his “masterpieces” and publicly burn them in a great bonfire!
  67. Tony tomahawk
    +3
    April 29 2013 11: 45
    Yes, all of Europe is obliged to come to Russia and post-Soviet countries on Victory Day and fall at the feet of our veterans, who liberated Europe from fascism and ended the Hitler regime, I am silent about the apologies that they MUST bring to the veterans!
    1. +3
      April 29 2013 12: 26
      Let them not fall. To do this you must have a conscience. And what can you expect from people who have freedom from EVERYTHING?
  68. +12
    April 29 2013 11: 50
    “...a Russian soldier in Germany is a barbarian and a murderer...” Hmm...What about this? This memorial plaque was installed on the Potsdam Bridge in 2003. Will they stupidly remove it? Or will they replace the inscription? Like... “Here, on April 30, Sergeant Masalov drank moonshine and ate a live German child...” It will become of them.
    1. 0
      April 29 2013 23: 16
      You are exaggerating a little. They are talking about propaganda here.
  69. +3
    April 29 2013 11: 55
    The demons don’t know what they’re doing.
  70. Xtra1l
    +4
    April 29 2013 11: 56

    The Germans have long begun to rewrite their history Spiegel example
  71. +7
    April 29 2013 11: 58
    It looks like the 4th Reich is just around the corner.
    The news that “merciless Mongols in skins and furs” had invaded Europe (1813) flew like the wind ahead of the Russian vanguard, spreading panic among Polish and German townspeople. Some mayors surrendered their cities without a fight, just so they wouldn’t be stormed by hordes of “savages.” However, later the inhabitants of Europe were surprised to note that “archers from the Middle Ages” do not kill civilians, but, on the contrary, treat them with sympathy and good nature. We are no strangers!
    It’s unpleasant to see how, trying to show the “bitter truth,” they actually show only cowards, idiots, “bastards.” ..Among the Yankees, one smart guy kills hundreds of stupid enemies. They even celebrate the victory on May 8th as winners. It’s time to put false historians and other libels in their place, both at home and abroad.
    P.S. I'm proud that I'm Russian! ... A. V. Suvorov
    Russians always come to collect their debts... Otto von Bismarck.
  72. +4
    April 29 2013 12: 02
    There was no reason to stop on the Oder. In the English Channel, drown all the allies and that’s it. Right now they would go to the Mediterranean Sea as if they were going to the Black Sea to relax. And the Greeks and Italians would all walk along the beach and shout... Churchkhella, churchkhella... And the Dutch would plant potatoes instead of tulips. Otherwise they would ruin democracy!!!!!!
  73. +5
    April 29 2013 12: 18
    The worst thing for the West will be that when the Russian soldier is needed again to bring the next “superman” to his senses, it may turn out that he will not come again.
  74. +13
    April 29 2013 12: 35
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Who discredits the feat of the Soviet Soldier in the Second World War and our Great Patriotic War? Our media, TV. Newly-minted scribblers and screenwriters with a deep indifference of directors and editorial boards. We ourselves belittle the role of the Soviet soldier, bring it to the comedy and push out sleek, arrogant enemies. Who forgets about the graves and monuments to our soldiers. I have not seen crosses and stars painted by hooligans on German, French, Italian war memorials, on machinery. No. Our culture and patriotic upbringing is manifested on a painted swastika on the legendary 34, on steles and monuments, a grill on the Eternal Flame in front of the windows of local authorities, an imposingly collapsed guarantor with his comrades in an armchair, and victorious veterans marching past, languishing with luxury new "masters of life "in castles and living out in bestial conditions, half-impoverished, half-starved winners with conveniences under the fence. It's good that they remember it once a year. In Odessa, a fat bastard from the mayor's office, on the anniversary of the liberation of the hero-city on April 10 (there are only 23 veterans left. They will be healthy for many years) at the memorial of 411 batteries, kicked out from the table (from a plate of porridge and 50 grams) two veterans. was on his lists. This is the true face of the "caring" government for veterans. I will believe in a caring and grateful government when our victors will live better than the defeated and experience happiness until the end of their heroic lives. GLORY TO THE WINNERS! GLORY TO THE SOVIET PEOPLE! Eternal Memory to the untimely departed.

    You know, this is not news in the former Soviet republics, especially in the Baltic states, the situation is even worse, here in Latvia, for example, every year the powers that be before Victory Day want to ban all Soviet symbols, including veterans’ awards, but for some reason they haven’t yet are being decided. Maybe because on Victory Day, about 130-150 thousand people come to our monument in Riga to lay flowers, listen to songs of the war years, and thank the surviving veterans. My father is alive, he fought since 1941, the defense of Moscow, in this will not go to the monument in a year, his health does not allow it, but I will say that when we arrived at the monument, while my father reached the monument, his grandchildren and I had hands full of flowers from the people who gave him these flowers, we laid them out at the monument, and While walking back to the car, again the same huge armfuls of flowers. some even try to push money. It all depends on ourselves; what we tell and show to our children and grandchildren, they will show to our descendants.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      +8
      April 29 2013 13: 39
      Unfortunately, the last WWII participant left the family for eternity. Twice a year, on the day of the liberation of Odessa and Victory Day, we went together to the Walk of Fame, to the monument to the Unknown Sailor. But the authorities can ruin everything. On the Great Holiday of the Great Patriotic War Veterans, when all attention should go to them, here, the goons of the regional and city authorities, with well-groomed fat faces, arrive at this departure for them, having previously blocked all approaches to the monument with hundreds of garbage for various purposes and forcing the veterans to wait for hours behind fence, until the local elite cattle with priests and priests bring their tender bottoms to the Eternal Flame and imitate indescribable grief, adjust the ribbon on the wreath they did not bring and with an accelerated step, turning into a gallop, rush to their members and on ...
  75. +5
    April 29 2013 13: 00
    Oh, this Alexander IsaKovich Solzhenitsyn... How many lies he spewed all over the world and how long will it come back to Russia...
    1. luka095
      +1
      April 29 2013 21: 01
      This is for sure - a professional “fighter” with his country and people.
    2. +2
      April 29 2013 21: 27
      Quote: EtickayaSila
      Oh, this Alexander IsaKovich Solzhenitsyn... How many lies he spewed all over the world
      And it was this bastard, so that he ... began to throw mud at the KGB. The shitcrats picked it up and began to squeal that it needs to be abolished. It didn’t occur to the shitcrats’ upper extremities (we can’t call them heads) that not a single country can do without special services. Did they serve there? bloodthirsty monsters? No, mostly good specialists who prevented the Judas from receiving pieces of silver, or, in today’s terms, grants. Then the traitor Kalugin came out. And then it got worse...
  76. +6
    April 29 2013 13: 33
    Yes!! Along the way, our children or grandchildren will take Berlin again, at the same time as Paris. Plus a landing operation on British territory.
  77. +2
    April 29 2013 13: 43
    It's time for us to pay them a visit. Moreover, they themselves give us a reason, preparing open aggression against us. Yes, there was no West as a civilization, and no (the term pseudo-civilization - appropriators is more suitable for them) - there is a bunch of Jews (or lined up with them) absolutely controlling the dull, ruminant population (with a few exceptions).
  78. Terkin
    +6
    April 29 2013 14: 06
    The main thing is that we remember our history, it doesn’t matter that there’s no doubt that they want to use them again like in the First World War, WWII, you can’t put your head on them. It’s time for our politicians to declassify the archives about the Second World War; there is plenty of evidence of the failure of the West’s attempts to rewrite history, but we are either silent or weakly making excuses. Maybe not everyone in our government wants historical justice to triumph?
  79. +4
    April 29 2013 14: 20
    All these propagandists are yelling that in the Soviet army, a sideways glance at an NKVD officer resulted in execution, and they are also yelling that the Russians, leaving their positions, rushed to the rear and raped the German women.... uh, spare my brain! how is this possible? a mixture of severe discipline and its complete desolation at the same time! Do they even re-read the nonsense they publish? the naked eye can see that this is all lies, and the fact that Goebelts was a master in this matter is no secret to anyone, and they also quote him.
    1. 0
      April 29 2013 20: 53
      Oh, I forgot the soft sign! Yeshkin's cat!
  80. redwar6
    +3
    April 29 2013 14: 22
    Most people talk about freedom where there is none. Most of them there are invented heroes where there are few real ones.
    I think you won’t meet “Voinazanashiprava” on the street; they will be afraid to say this to a Russian person’s face. They know that we can tolerate bullying of us, but not of our ancestors.
  81. lubin
    +4
    April 29 2013 14: 26
    The war is already underway. For now in the media. And the fate of RUSSIA will depend on how we are able to prioritize values, how accurately we convey historical facts, our victories and our mistakes. There is power in truth. hi
  82. stroporez
    +2
    April 29 2013 14: 33
    Legislators from two regions of Western Ukraine, Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk regions, declared Victory Day a day of mourning, banning festive processions and the use of Soviet symbols on this day, including the red flag and military orders of veterans. The corresponding decisions were made by the Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk city councils.
    ppts------- congratulations......................
    1. ABV
      +3
      April 29 2013 15: 47
      and these are not i.d.i.ots --- this is a purposeful policy aimed at destroying my country, PAID BY our "friends" the arrogant Saxons, which is sad!
      1. stroporez
        0
        April 30 2013 15: 20
        I’m sure we will always have good steel for such “friends”..........
      2. stroporez
        0
        April 30 2013 15: 25
        I’m sure we will always have good steel for such “friends”..........
    2. +4
      April 29 2013 15: 55
      Quote: stroporez
      legislators of two regions of Western Ukraine at once
      What kind of legislators are they, just givers. More precisely, givers. They curry favor
      Why isn’t this a signal to the customs service and the Federal Migration Service, let them create “comfort”
  83. Rrv
    Rrv
    +9
    April 29 2013 14: 39
    The kids, however, are asking...
    1. Rrv
      Rrv
      +2
      April 29 2013 14: 40
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  84. +4
    April 29 2013 14: 47
    Every good deed should not go unpunished.
  85. +7
    April 29 2013 15: 38
    Somewhere, well, they tried very hard with force, it didn’t work, now they’ll try with poison
  86. ABV
    +6
    April 29 2013 15: 43
    How they tremble with fear and envy before the Greatness of the Russian spirit and spirituality, how they fear and envy Russia. The distortions of our history have begun again... all the Middle Ages, up to the 20th, were distorted by fairy tales, now they have taken up the Second World War and the Second World War... such an impression is that they cannot eat even from hatred of us!
  87. +1
    April 29 2013 16: 17
    I now live in Australia, i.e. in one of the so-called countries "West", although Australia is located (in relation to Russia) in the South East. Here, both at the state and everyday levels, it is customary to celebrate the so-called. ANZAC Day commemorates all Australians and New Zealanders who died in World Wars 1 and 2. Veterans of the Great Patriotic War who fought in the Red Army also take part in the events held on this day. And I did not notice here any attempts to belittle the role of the Red Army in the great victory over fascism. In general, all these events are held here solemnly, but without unnecessary fanfare and stress. People (both adults and children) simply pay tribute to all those who died, were wounded or survived fighting against a common enemy, without finding out who gave more lives in these wars and without delving into the intricacies of “high politics”. And our veterans are welcomed here no worse than their own veterans. And in the press I did not notice any attacks on the Great Patriotic War and the soldiers of the Red Army. Moreover, I should note that here it is customary to count (and protect) “service people” individually, and not to operate in large numbers. It is customary here to help those who are still alive in deeds, not in words. Considerable efforts and resources are allocated to find and put in order the burials of fallen soldiers, no matter in what part of the world these burials are located. Those. It would be nice to learn such quiet but real respect for your soldiers
    1. Aiviar
      +4
      April 29 2013 23: 52
      And I also live in the same Australia. ...Or other?
      Yes, Soviet veterans on ANZAC Day, if they want, also participate in the parade in memory of the Australian military. Some want and participate. No one is driving them out of there. But practically no one knows who these old people are, where they come from, why they are here, and what kind of “tokens” hang on their chests (the awards here look very different). What is this ANZAC Day? This is the day of eternal glory of the Australian and New Zealand Corps (this is actually the ANZAC) and the memory of Australian soldiers who fell wherever and whenever. On April 25, 1915, a landing began on the Turkish coast at Gallipoli, which ended two months later with the evacuation of the same army from the same beach, minus 11 thousand killed on it. A day of mourning, perhaps. But fame?
      But none of the indigenous people here (let’s say, long-time settlers) remember the Day of Victory over Fascism. Not on May 9th with the Russians, not even on the 8th with the Americans. Although to tell the truth, they don’t remember the day of Japan’s surrender either. But this event was a great joy for them - the Japanese scared them pretty much... although they were only joking (in comparison with what the Nazis did in the USSR).
      This is how they teach history at school. Periodically, to choose from! My daughter taught the history of the Russian Revolution and the Great Patriotic War. ...The only one in the class, of course. Some others taught History of the Pacific War, and some of World War II in Europe. Note - separately from the Great Patriotic War. How is this possible - don't ask - I don't know.
      One of the first projects in which I took part in Australia was the project of a memorial to Australians who fought in Vietnam. It was necessary to place five thousand names on it, which was a big surprise for me, and I asked my boss - did so many Australians really die there? To which he waved his little hands - what are you talking about! - That's everyone who was there! Many are still alive and even feeling well!
      ...Perhaps they are right - the country is obliged to make amends to those who were sent under bullets for unknown reasons and unknown where, even if they did not get the bullets. However, even more so - following such a high and noble sense of duty, one should perhaps gratefully remember also what fate the whole country managed to avoid, and what price and who paid for this deliverance...
      Having become hooked on Vietnam, my boss and I began to tell each other the stories of the wars and exploits of our compatriots when he gave me a lift home. And he was very surprised to learn that the Second World War in Europe did not end with the victory of the Americans with the Australians and the British over the Germans who were allied... with the RUSSIANS!!! (A fully educated and very wealthy man by local standards) Hearing from me for the FIRST TIME IN HIS LIFE that his satiety and comfort were paid for by at least twenty-seven million lives of Soviet people, at first he did not believe it and almost laughed, and only when he realized from my face that I was not joking - he finished... and could not continue driving the car - cried.
      They are raised to be not bad people at all - they will not leave you in trouble, they are able to understand and sympathize, and much, much more... However, even this upbringing in many of them is like a socket for connection. - On their human feelings, when “necessary”, the desired performer will “play” as they please - as ordered. Exactly the same thing is happening in “enlightened Europe” ... And if you go back 70 years, you will find that in Germany in the forties, most boys were not monsters, but were quite capable of sympathizing with the “kind” person whom They were instructed to call him such ... and to kill “for the sake of the bright future of humanity” the one who was called a “subhuman” subject to destruction. ...History moves in a spiral.
    2. +1
      April 30 2013 23: 17
      It’s probably time for me to move to Australia (one crown covers me anyway..).
      Otherwise it takes evil. I recently bought several short brochures from the “In an Hour” series (American release) for my Kindle. In particular, "World War II in an Hour." Indeed, it took a little over an hour to read - it was presented clearly, concisely and professionally BUT! Out of an hour, probably 55 minutes, praises were sung to the valiant American and British troops for their “grand” operations in Burma, Indonesia, and, at worst, in Normandy. The share of everything connected with Russia is probably 5 pages, and most of this is how we “occupied” Poland and Estonia. Ugh.
  88. wax
    +3
    April 29 2013 16: 20
    What is surprising is not that some German women and other citizens were given a hard time by a Soviet soldier. What's surprising is that it's not enough. Even more surprising is that we fed them, while in the USSR orphaned children and their mothers harnessed plows instead of horses to plow the garden and plant potatoes...

    Giordano Ralf is a German journalist, writer, publicist.
    The Ost master plan went even further than the fully implemented Jewish Holocaust. As part of this plan, a rational, digitally based planning framework for a Slav-free Eastern Europe was developed - i.e. not Jewish, but another, Slavic Holocaust.

    The concept of the destruction of the eastern Gelot peoples (slaves) by slave labor was supplemented by calculations of how, through the use of new methods, to preserve the labor force of millions of slaves for a limited period, but at the same time prevent their reproduction.

    Newborns were required to be presented to a fitness expert, the so-called Aignungsprüfer, who, as part of the “office for race and colonization,” reported to the relevant senior ranks of the SS and police. He carried out a racial check on certain grounds... After this, a general assessment and classification was carried out according to sections of the “cadastre of the people” (Volkskatasters) from I to IV. To make a final decision on Germanization or special processing, the personal file, along with the photographic materials attached to it and the results of the protocols, was sent to a higher responsible SS rank. The decision “special treatment” meant for a woman a forced termination of pregnancy, and in the case of “suitability for Germanization” - childbirth in the so-called maternity barracks; for a man - either forced Germanization or extermination; for a newborn in the presence of “good racial predisposition” - separation from the mother and rearing in the National Socialist People's Care (NSV) or Himmler's Lebensborn orphanage, in the case of “racial inferiority” - transfer to the baby's home (Kleinkinderpflegestätte), which was actually equivalent death sentence. ...
    Among them is the fact that all 400 children born to Polish and Soviet women working at the Volkswagen plant between the summer of 1943 and May 1945 died.
    ... Of the approximately 5,7 million Soviet prisoners of war, 2,5–3 million died in camps and assembly points, more than half of them between June 1941 and March 1942. Christian Streit discovered these and other terrible, irrefutable figures based on German documents in his now classic book Keine Kameraden. Die Wehrmacht und die sowjetischen Kriegsgefangenen 1941-1945.” The book once and for all destroys the legend of the “clean uniform” of the German Wehrmacht and documents the fact that the Wehrmacht was not only a decisive instrument in the implementation of the National Socialist plans for world conquest, but was also deeply involved in the practice of the apparatus of extermination. This is evidenced by the orders given by the field marshals to the troops in the east - orders not to take into account any international and military legal provisions of international conventions and to turn a blind eye to ideologically driven massacres committed by death squads; an open call for participation in the National Socialist policy of extermination and annihilation in the war in the east by the generals, who were given four “criminal orders” - an order for the army to cooperate with special forces, an order to limit military jurisdiction, a commissar’s order and directives on conduct military units in Russia...
  89. +3
    April 29 2013 16: 33
    The policy of Stalin (an internationalist) was not aggressive, but liberating. The whitewashing soldier was instructed by ideology itself to respect the peoples liberated from fascism. Rare outbreaks of violence were brutally suppressed. The Soviet soldier brought freedom and humanism to liberated Europe. An example of this is the monument to the Soldier Liberator in Treptow Park, which is typical with a German girl in his arms. And how politicians used it is the enduring pain of the Russian, Soviet soldier.
  90. +6
    April 29 2013 16: 34
    Hello everybody! Interesting article, I've been waiting for it for a long time. Everything is not so clear, dear! It is impossible for civilians, after half a century, to talk about the atrocities of the victorious side; those who fought will understand me. War has its own laws and no one can understand them, you can only survive them. Someone put yourself in the place of a Russian soldier whose family died, his house was burned, his hometown was destroyed... half of the above would be enough for a person to go crazy - regardless of nationality!!!!! What will a soldier who has lost everything do on enemy territory?! That's right, revenge. And what about the Western press, what do you want if they talk about the legalization of pedophilia!
  91. marikoukou
    +3
    April 29 2013 16: 37
    snatcala oni demonolizirovali serbov, seytcas za nas vzialis( navodit na opredelennie misli
  92. 0
    April 29 2013 17: 08
    These are the “wild Asian hordes”
  93. +6
    April 29 2013 17: 08
    These are the “wild Asian hordes”

    I took a photo from the article and made something like a demativator.

    however, there was a much better one, which showed a HUGE line of GERMAN old men, women and children, to the RUSSIAN field kitchen.

    unfortunately I can't find it.
  94. +8
    April 29 2013 17: 11
    Every square centimeter of our land is saturated by a meter with the blood of our ancestors, we inherited this land from them, they saved it for us and it is our sacred duty to pass it on to our descendants safe and sound. There can be no other options. Blessed memory of the fallen!!! We remember everything and forgive nothing!
  95. +5
    April 29 2013 17: 19
    There is an information war going on. THE VICTORY OF OUR PEOPLE is a bone in the throat of the Gay Europeans, agents of influence temporarily residing on our territory. Victory unites all patriots. Whoever believes the films ordered by the West should read the orders and directives of Stalin and Zhukov, who was appointed by Stalin to be responsible for the conduct of troops on German territory. Very impressive. And read the directives and orders of the Wehrmacht before the attack in 1941. The best medicine for those who have lost their memory and conscience is a full military training camp and a full test of tanks, and if that doesn’t happen, a business trip to the Caucasus.
  96. Genady1976
    +7
    April 29 2013 17: 42
    But the “damned Bolsheviks” are in Berlin. First order
  97. +4
    April 29 2013 18: 26
    What else can you expect from enemies? Goebbels' work is continued by his students. For money you can write, publish and show anything.
    1. 0
      April 30 2013 16: 06
      I can also add that they remained alive, but my grandfather died of hunger in 46.
  98. +3
    April 29 2013 18: 28

    Without military-patriotic education of youth, there is nowhere.
    1. redwar6
      0
      April 29 2013 21: 30
      The video is super! Thank you so much!
    2. +3
      April 30 2013 20: 29
      Bring back culture and then we can talk about patriotism. How can you dig up a diamond in a trash can? Forgive me - VVP speaks beautifully, and behind the scenes is Mr. Khloponin’s phrase - if you want to earn money, sing jazz. Close TV and theaters for charlatans from art - homosexuals and the like, stop presenting orders and medals to the Kirkorovs. And stop awarding them titles, ban the propaganda of violence from screens. Finally, create a national council for culture - introduce censorship on any object of cultural activity. And then you can believe in your words. In the meantime, we have People’s Artist Kirkorov, apparently for the song “I am your basin.” Autonomous budgetary enterprises left to the mercy of fate. In which only repairs are made and budget funds are looted, tenders that bring nothing but devastation. For the information struggle, we need a strong culture and self-awareness - which has been taken away from us since the time of Solzhenitsyn. I can write, but in return I must be sure that I am right, but they tell me - Russian robbers and murderers and the most significant battle in the Second World War is the battle for Aatol Midway.
  99. +1
    April 29 2013 19: 08
    the unification of RUSSIA and GERMANY!!!---this is their worst dream!! wink feel
  100. +2
    April 29 2013 19: 38
    In my opinion, everyone should have understood a long time ago that the Germans want to reconsider the results of the war in their favor
    1. +1
      April 30 2013 09: 38
      Yeah, in Russia the mushroom that grows is called a sucker!