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In the West, launched a campaign to demonize the Soviet soldier - the winner

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The 68 anniversary of the Great Victory is approaching - a victory gained at the cost of millions of lives and millions of mutilated destinies of the Soviet people. Dozens of cities of the USSR were turned into ruins, hundreds of villages and villages - in the ashes. Of the people in the concentration camps, the biomaterial for the “great race” was “mined”. Some were strangled with gas and turned into dust, others were driven into slavery, others were starving to death. The grief of the people who survived the hell of that big war is truly irreparable. And there is no commensurate gratitude to the Soviet people for the gratitude that could be given to the winners - the people who stopped the bloodthirsty machine of fascism and Nazism.


In the West, launched a campaign to demonize the Soviet soldier - the winner


But the reverent attitude to the Great Victory on the part of the overwhelming majority of Russians (and all residents of the former Soviet Union and not only the Union) has recently caused a strange reaction from our Western "partners." For several years, a unique propaganda machine has been working in the West, the fruit of which is the creation of the “united” Europe’s opinion of the barbarity of Soviet military personnel in Germany in the last months of the war - barbarism that contradicts all conceivable norms of European civilization.

It is noteworthy that a number of media outlets decided to pick up this topic, “exposing the truth” about the war, which, as it turned out, was quickly put together by specialists in filling information bombs in the same West. These bombs were blown up both in Europe and in Russia with one sole purpose: to diminish the role of both the Victory of the Soviet people over Nazi Germany and its allies, and the role of the Soviet soldier in the liberation of European peoples. Like, how is it? How will the modern average mega-tolerant and megaliberal European react if they continue to tell him that by the very fact of his quite comfortable existence he may be obliged to the state, which in due time saved his ancestors and his country from the fascist contagion. After all, he does not understand how a country could, in which “human rights were violated” and “there were problems with the observance of the rights of sexual minorities,” to release someone from something. The modern, carefully detached European thinking cannot connect the concept of "Soviet Union" (and therefore Russia) with the concept of "freedom" ... And what if someone does try to make such a connection? ..

Not! So it will not work - obviously, the modern propagandists in the same Germany decided, and began gradually to unleash an information war, in which it turned out that the Soviet soldier was a barbarian who trampled on the freedom and independence of the German people, and in between fights of women and an automaton butt that killed German children ... Against this background, the already familiar bagpipes about non-observance of human rights, war crimes and even the genocide of the German people, which feeds on European (and Russian iy, too) a hot sauce table out of the need to find those who must answer for the “crimes” of Soviet soldiers in Germany of the 1945 model of the year.

At the same time, informational “confirmations” of their theory of impassable drowsiness and endless barbarism of the Soviet military (as another provocation against Russia), neopropagandists draw from their teachers during the Second World War. In the course are even the sayings of the famous "humanity" and a large "morality" of Joseph Goebbels, which are served as evidence that the Soviet soldier is a brutal killer, rapist, and certainly a bloodthirsty monster.

Imagine excerpts from this kind of materials that are being actively discussed in the European media today. At the same time, some notorious Russian media, which are distinguished by a strange desire in all Western endeavors to see an indispensable blessing for themselves, also do not disdain to discussing the theme that the Great Victory is nothing to the Great, and so ... - only historical an episode which, in addition, is stained with the blood of the German people "enslaved" by the Soviet Army ...

In fact, in the face of Soviet soldiers we are dealing with steppe scum. This is confirmed by information about atrocities that came to us from the eastern regions. They really evoke horror. They cannot even be reproduced separately. First of all, we should mention the terrible documents received from Upper Silesia. In individual villages and cities, all women between ten and 70 years have been raped
(from Joseph Goebbels, March 1945 of the year).

The following is an interesting postscript:
Now all compatriots believe that the Bolsheviks are committing atrocities.


Obviously, the author of these sayings himself feels a sense of admiration for the work done: they say, the informational reason that the German people entering the territory of Europe Soviet soldiers hated with all their hearts was found, which means that the belief in the "atrocities of the steppe scum" more and more infuses the Germans .

After Goebbel’s material reached the masses, a terrible panic seized the German people. The words that Soviet soldiers raped and murdered women, regardless of their age and attitude towards the Nazi authorities, led to an unprecedented increase in the number of suicides in the history of Germany among the female population. However, this did not bother those who stood at the helm of the Nazi propaganda machine. The suicidal deaths of the Germans were turned into the fact that they allegedly lay hands on themselves after the atrocities that the Russian soldiers were arranging with them.

In this regard, it would be useful to cite the words of the State Secretary of the Ministry of Public Education and Propaganda of the Third Reich Werner Naumann.

Our propaganda regarding the Russian military and what the population should expect from them in Berlin was so successful that we brought the Berliners to a state of extreme horror.


Next, Nauman adds:
We overdid it a bit - propaganda rebounded on us.


It is noteworthy that in the Western media the words that Werner Nauman wrote in his diary, who was one of the main approximate figures of the same Joseph Goebbels, are not given. Like, why debunk the myth of the "steppe scum", which is beginning to acquire quite conscious features in Western society.

As they say, Europeans conduct informational brainwashing successfully, which means that all the information that, one way or another, is connected with dispelling myths about the bloodthirstiness of Russian soldiers in Germany should be properly pushed into the margins of media that no one will ever know about. But the neopropagandists who decided to turn the victory of the Soviet people into a bloodthirsty historical farce need to say: everything secret becomes clear (for example, the words of the same Nauman) ...

In order not to operate exclusively with Goebbels quotes, the propagandists of the new wave decided to attract other "historical works" and "evidence" for informational duping of their fellow citizens. In particular, the same German media began to actively use the works of some Russian writers, who (the works) allegedly directly confirm that the Russian soldier in Germany is a barbarian and murderer. One of these authors was elected Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Here are some excerpts from his well-known poem The Prussian Nights, written in 1950.

With boom, whistle, glitter headlights -
Klein Kozlau, Gross Kozlau -
That village is a fire!
Everything is on fire !! Moo cows
Locked in burning barns, -
Eh, sweethearts,
You are not ours!

Zwei und zwanzig, Höringstraβe.
The house is not burned, but trephine, grabbed.
Someone moan wall weakened:
Mother - not to death. On the mattress,
Roth, whether a platoon visited -
Daughter-girl on the spot.

Girl - in a woman, a woman - in a corpse!
The gaze is bloody and muddy
Requests: “Töte mich, Soldat!”

The girl speaks differently:
“Wait a minute, guys!
Let me show you a richer house!
Nemok-tselkov is full house! ”
"Tea is far?"
"Around the corner!


Needless to say, this work of Solzhenitsyn in the West was taken away for quotations, on the basis of which entire discussion studios were organized: they say, and should Germany repent before the Soviet Union for initiating war, if the Russians won?

According to the latest data, the work “Prussian Nights” was included in the curriculum of German schoolchildren in the study of works of foreign literature. Well, the choice clearly indicates that the work of neopropagandists in the same Germany is bearing fruit and, obviously, it causes another informational blow to Russia, as well as to bilateral relations. Well, it is not beneficial for certain forces to ensure that relations between Germany and Russia remain established in the spirit of partnership.

Proceeding from this, it is not at all strange that when studying the poem of Mr. Solzhenitsyn, the same German senior schoolchildren do not acquaint themselves with the works of German authors, who describe their experience of meeting with Soviet servicemen in a completely different way. A group of German authors in their historical essay uses the words of sanitary instructor Sofia Kuntsevich:
They came to some village, the children run - hungry, unhappy. And I, who swore that I hate them all, I will collect from my guys everything that they have, what remains of the ration, any piece of sugar, and give them to the German children. Of course, I did not forget, I remembered everything, but I could not look calmly in the hungry children's eyes.


Such Soviet people are obviously not to mention about literature classes. What for? This will also violate the fabric of the transformation of the Great Victory of the Soviet people into the "brutal breakthrough of the barbarians-Asians."

But it is noteworthy that the same Alexander Isaevich Solzhenitsyn for some reason did not mention in his work how Soviet soldiers gave the last piece of bread to German children, trying not to disturb the past with thoughts that somewhere near Tula or Chernigov, Polotsk or Leningrad they the children ate the bark and boiled the quinoa soup so as not to starve to death.

Not mentioned and evidence of the conversation of Marshal Zhukov with the head of the rear front. Here is an excerpt from the conversation of the marshal with the general responsible for the food supply of the inhabitants of Berlin:

"For children, milk must be sought ...
The general looked at the marshal and, after a brief pause, said:
- I, comrade Marshal, write from home that they are starving ...
- They also write to me that in the Soviet Union it is tight ... But this does not change things. The directive is very clear: to allocate so much food for the German population of Berlin.
- We will feed the Nazis?
“We will feed the Germans — old men, old women, children, workers ...”


Obviously, the testimonies of ordinary Berliners, who in their own words dispel the myth of the endless barbaric deeds of the Russian soldier in Germany in 1945, are not mentioned either. Says Elizabeth Steim:

The Nazis said that the Bolsheviks shot all the families in which someone participated in the war against Russia. I decided to open the veins of my children and commit suicide. But I felt sorry for the children, I hid in the basement, where we sat hungry for several days. Suddenly, four Red Army men entered. They did not touch us, and they even gave little Werner a piece of bread and a pack of cookies. I could not believe my eyes. After that we decided to go out. There were a lot of civilians on the street. Nobody touched them. They all hurried about their business. This is proved by the fact that the Russians not only do not destroy or exterminate the population, but even worry that this population does not starve to death. Moreover, it gives high standards and worries about the restoration of our homes.




Naturally, such words of German witnesses today by neopropagandists are skillfully withdrawn, so to speak, from European circulation. After all, to publish such words means to acknowledge the moral character of those who today, from their point of view, should be subjected to the most severe obstruction. Yes, the fabricated sensation from the passages of Goebbels' works, seasoned with the works of the same Alexander Solzhenitsyn, looks much more preferable for modern Europe than the designation of the real prerequisites of the actions of the Soviet soldiers, who are jewelerly delineated from the general context of the tragedy. Why frighten the younger generation of Europeans with data about the atrocities that the German soldiers and their allies repaired in the Soviet Union, if you can, keeping silent about this, put exclusively Soviet soldiers to the main villains of that war - this is the main thesis of the new anti-Russian propaganda.

In this regard, the question arises: isn't it time to focus on attempts at another distortion of historical facts that is hitting Russia's image? If we take into account that in 2012-13, the Russian Federation and Germany are conducting cross-year cultural years, it would not be superfluous to carry out a series of events during this cultural campaign that would expose attempts by certain individuals to demonize the essence of the Great Victory.

In preparing this article, materials from a scientific study performed by E.Senyavskoy, Doctor of History, were used.
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  1. bask
    bask April 29 2013 07: 45 New
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    date% 20–% 20 winner]
    Let them say GREAT THANKS - LOW BOW. RUSSIAN-SOVIET SOLDIERS THAT SAVED THE WORLD FROM ,, brown plague ,,
    And then We’d be sitting in a cage like experimental tuziki.
    ETERNAL GLORY TO SOLDIERS OF THE WWII.
    1. Armata
      Armata April 29 2013 07: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: bask
      Let them say GREAT THANKS - LOW BOW. RUSSIAN-SOVIET SOLDIERS THAT SAVED THE WORLD FROM ,, brown plague ,,
      Hello dear. It would be better not to be released. Hitler would not allow homosexuals to develop like this. His mistake was to climb to the RSFSR (USSR). And so together we could rule the whole world.
      Quote: bask
      ETERNAL GLORY TO SOLDIERS OF THE WWII.
      I agree. Eternal glory and let future generations not build illusions and remember who defended their right to be born and live.
      1. Romn
        Romn April 29 2013 08: 09 New
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        The main thing is to remember and honor the memory ourselves, and these ungrateful flawed people who distort history and descend to the lowest vile lie will still get theirs. I am sure that the hour will come soon and they will still greatly regret the shedding. And this should finally be a lesson for us, and as the opportunity arises in the future, we should remember all the good things that the West has been doing to us all its life and is doing now ...

        Eternal memory to all soldiers and heroes of the Second World War, whom we will remember, honor and protect the noble memory of them, no matter what!
        1. domokl
          domokl April 29 2013 08: 24 New
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          Quote: Romn
          The main thing is to remember and honor the memory ourselves, and these ungrateful flawed people who distort history and descend to the lowest vile lie will still get theirs.
          Ostrich position: It was this attitude that led to the fact that the descendants of those who beat the fascists became fascists in Russia, the descendants of those who beat the nationalists in Ukraine became ardent nationalists ...
          My grandfathers were not afraid to give their lives in the fight against fascism, and you urge you not to fight ... I fought and will fight .. Otherwise, my price is worthless and my grandfather died in vain ...
          1. does it
            does it April 29 2013 08: 53 New
            +9
            Quote: domokl

            domokl


            Today, 08: 24

            ↑ ↓ New


            Quote: RomnThe main thing is to remember and honor the memory ourselves, and these ungrateful flawed people who distort history and descend to the lowest vile lie will still get theirs.

            this once again confirms that the Holy Great Triumph, the victory in the World War will not be forgotten and forgiven for a long time, and this will make it even more sacred ....
        2. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. April 29 2013 08: 26 New
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          Quote: Romn
          flawed people who distort history and descend to the lowest vile lie will still get theirs.

          I personally am sorry that the Red Army did not behave towards the European countries of the Hitler coalition as they did to us. It was necessary to carry out the genocide of tens of millions in the death factories, it was necessary to continuously massively shoot hostages from the civilian population, it was necessary to constantly burn out the inhabited cities and villages, to drive suitable youth to work in Siberia, and smaller ones to be forged to Russians, and to take everything out of there . You look, and there would be no one to blame Russia.

          Why aren’t we bastards like these Europeans?
          1. Natalia
            Natalia April 29 2013 08: 55 New
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            Quote: Nikolai S.
            I personally am sorry that the Red Army did not behave towards the European countries of the Hitler coalition as they did to us. It was necessary to carry out the genocide of tens of millions in the factories of death

            Nikolay, do not be like beast-like. There is one very good song about this:
            Someone else's weakness does not make you stronger
            Someone else's stupidity does not make you smarter
            And if there are a lot of bad people around,
            Do not become one of them - save yourself.

            PS If Russia would allow itself to commit atrocities, like the Nazis, it would cease to be Russia.
            1. Nicholas C.
              Nicholas C. April 29 2013 08: 59 New
              +2
              Quote: Natalia
              Nikolay, do not be like beast-like.

              Natalia, everything is explained to me in the last sentence-question.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 29 2013 09: 00 New
              +5
              Quote: Natalia
              PS If Russia would allow itself to commit atrocities, like the Nazis, it would cease to be Russia.

              Well done, well said. Your boss would know what and how you write here, he probably would be ashamed in front of you wink
              Maybe even an extraordinary prize was written ... winked
              Hi Natasha hi
              1. Natalia
                Natalia April 29 2013 09: 11 New
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Your boss would know

                [Already threw into a cold sweat] sad .........
                Don’t joke like that anymore.
                Hi Sasha lol )))
            3. demon ada
              demon ada April 29 2013 12: 18 New
              +1
              Oh,
              and sometimes I want to do the same
              tooth by tooth.
              how are they to us so are we to them ..
              1. stroporez
                stroporez April 30 2013 13: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: demon ada
                how are they to us so are we to them ..
                If so, then we will become the same as they ...............
          2. djon3volta
            djon3volta April 29 2013 10: 04 New
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            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Why aren’t we bastards like these Europeans?

            because:
          3. RoadRunner
            RoadRunner April 29 2013 10: 06 New
            +4
            That is what distinguishes the Soviet soldier from everyone else.
          4. washi
            washi April 29 2013 11: 57 New
            +9
            Are you a fagot and a pedophile too, how are they?
            So far we are distinguished by the fact that we have honor and conscience. But the information campaign was both lost and lost.
            1. lubin
              lubin April 29 2013 13: 01 New
              +1
              No doubt, the enemy is strong, but not everything is so bad: http: //forum.glavred.info/viewtopic.php? F = 1 & t = 15472 We would strengthen our positions on our territory, and we have excellent chances. hi
            2. ed1968
              ed1968 April 30 2013 18: 08 New
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              you just have to adopt their tactics in it and beat them with their own weapons and toughly on all fronts
        3. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel April 29 2013 10: 23 New
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          Кто дискредитирует подвиг Советского Солдата во Второй Мировой Войне и нашей Великой Отечественной? Наши СМИ, ТВ. Новоявленные писаки и сценаристы с глубоким пофигизмом дирекций и редакций. Сами принижаем роль советского солдата, доводим до комедийной и выпячиваем холеных, надменных врагов. Кто забывает про могилы и памятники нашим солдатам. Я не видел, чтоб на немецких, французских, итальянских военных мемориалах, на технике хулиганами были намалеваны кресты и звезды. Нет. Наша культура и патриотическое воспитание проявляется на намалеванной свастике на легендарной 34-ке, на стелах и памятниках, гриль на Вечном Огне перед окнами местной власти, вальяжно развалившийся гарант с сотоварищами в кресле и марширующие мимо ветераны-победители, изнывающие от роскоши новые "хозяева жизни" в замках и доживающие в скотских условиях полунищие, полуголодные победители с удобствами под забором. Хорошо, что раз в год вспоминают. В Одессе, жирная сволота из мэрии, на годовщину освобождения города-героя 10 апреля (осталось только 23 ветерана. Здоровья им и многие лета) на мемориале 411 батареи, выгнал из-за стола (от тарелки каши и 50 грамм) двух ветеранов Их не было в его списках. Вот истинное лицо "заботливой" власти о ветеранах. Я поверю в заботливую и благодарную власть тогда, когда наши победители будут жить лучше побежденных и испытают счастье до конца своей геройской жизни. СЛАВА ПОБЕДИТЕЛЯМ! СЛАВА СОВЕТСКОМУ НАРОДУ! Вечная Память безвременно ушедшим.
          1. Kushadasov
            Kushadasov April 29 2013 12: 48 New
            +9
            да что там СМИ...с ними все понятно. либеральная сволочь туда засела. Но наша власть, наши руководители государства... они то что сделали для того чтобы Запад заткнулся и перестал переписывать историю и вымывать заслуги Советского солдата в годы второй мировой?!! НИЧЕГО! Кроме покаяния перед поляками (за то, что, кстати, не делали) и Японией (помню-помню, как ЕБН приносил свои извинения, за то что японцы содержались у нас в плену), да бесконечных упоминаниях об "ужасах сталинизма". Поэтому и отношение со стороны запада такое. Видят слабину и предательство изнутри России... Либеральные у нас руководители, слабые и никчемные. Это видно по их делам.

            Glory to the winners! Glory to the Soviet people!
        4. brelok
          brelok April 29 2013 14: 55 New
          +3
          "Руские завсегда в Берлине будут а немцу Москвы не видать"Екатерина Великая. Все в мире повторяется.Пусть говорят что хотят,воспитывать все ровно мы будем!
        5. Simon
          Simon April 29 2013 21: 37 New
          +1
          Whoever does not know the lessons of his history, he can repeat them again, at a certain turn of the historical spiral. fool
          1. Cynic
            Cynic April 30 2013 17: 04 New
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            Quote: Simon
            Whoever does not know the lessons of his story can repeat them again,

            Alas, proven
            “The lessons of history are that people learn nothing from the lessons of history”

        6. starshina78
          starshina78 April 29 2013 22: 05 New
          +3
          Мне рассказывал мой отец , что когда они вошли в Германию ( отец воевал в Восточной Пруссии , брал Кенигсберг ) , то был издан приказ , запрещающий какие - либо деяния против местного населения , нанесения ущерба хозяйствам местных жителей , разрушения исторических памятников , и т.д. . Каралось все это расстрелом . И расстреливали ведь ! При том показательно ! Что брешут эти западные Моськи на нашего Слона , нам по барабану , но и у нас в России появились эти Шавки , то там вякнут , то здесь . Таких вообще надо между ног зажать и по голой з...це крапивкой , да приговаривать : " Говори , да не заговаривайся ! А то в следующий раз уже не крапивой , да не по з...це ! "
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 29 2013 08: 14 New
        +8
        Quote: Mechanic
        . And so together we could rule the whole world.

        Hi paravoz wink Zhenya, can you imagine how many Jews would be in Russia then, they were all in Russia now laughing laughing
        Quote: Mechanic
        and let future generations not build illusions and remember who defended their right to be born and live.

        Already forgotten and moreover, many already call the Soviet soldier not an liberator, but an acupant request
        1. Kaa
          Kaa April 29 2013 08: 30 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          how many Jews would be in Russia then, they were all in Russia now
          Ну и что? Такие, как Вассерман, Алферов и миллионы других, что помешали бы? Все равно произошел бы естественный отбор - кто восприниает Русский мир, а кто исключительно Землеобетованный, если бы не упертость нагличан -в 30-е годы и Гитлер с сионистами сотрудничал, для организации государства в Палестине, а когда приперло Сталина - ЕАК организовал в планетарном масштабе, так что меня это лично не смущает, а вот холокоста, возможно, и не было бы, если бы Британия не ограничила въезд в Палестину 25000 евреев в год. Об этом "общечеловеки" забыли как-то, все на непосредственных исполнителей - немцев - валят. Нужно вспомнить историю сотрудничества Германии и СССР в 1922 -1932 годах - и в Европе было спокойно, и у нас, и у них. Нужна новая ось сотрудничества Берлин-Москва, а всякие там Лондоны и Парижи пусть со своим евро носятся, немцы всерьез о возврате к марке подумывают, если с монополизацией Европы не выйдет (а пока не складывается),Россию -рубль вроде устраивает. Устраняем банковских паразитов в виде доллара и евро -и торгуем напрямую, на благо наших стран. Умеем морды друг другу бить -умеем и работать вместе.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 29 2013 08: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: Kaa
            So what? Such as Wasserman, Alferov and millions of others, what would hurt?

            And another hundred thousand Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky and Abramovich? I’m afraid Mother Russia can’t stand such an invasion. We stupidly don’t have enough money for them in the treasury.
            Quote: Kaa
            . We know how to beat faces to each other, we know how to work together.

            Well, this is not for me, this is for politicians.
            Kaa hi
            1. Kaa
              Kaa April 29 2013 09: 24 New
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              a hundred thousand Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky and Abramovich?
              There is a promised land, there are posts in Chukotka ... there is a scarf in the bathroom ... there are zones (for lovers of the treasury), like the Russians playful do not let their hands in it ...
              1. Igarr
                Igarr April 29 2013 10: 31 New
                +7
                Hi Kaa.
                Меня от твоих слов в рифму кинуло - "Для любителей казны,
                .........................Зоны разные нужны! "
                .
                А где Комитет или что там было организовано в связи с Указом Президента Российской Федерации от 15 мая 2009 г. N 549 "О Комиссии при Президенте Российской Федерации по противодействию попыткам фальсификации истории в ущерб..." ???
                Where is he?
                What is he doing?
                How much money is allocated? What is done?
                Silence......
            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny April 29 2013 10: 12 New
              +7
              After 5 years, Berezovsky will be forgotten, and Zhores Alferov will, after his death, cover Russia with glory for a long time to come.
            3. Cynic
              Cynic April 29 2013 17: 58 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I’m afraid Mother Russia can’t stand such an invasion.

              And they have a mechanism enabled to support the number of livestock in the oligarch population.
              bully
            4. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 April 30 2013 05: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, this is not for me, this is for politicians.

              Sasha! Are you talking about faces or about work? wassat
          2. washi
            washi April 29 2013 12: 17 New
            +6
            Unfortunately we will not be allowed to unite, even cooperate, with Germany. Anglo-Saxons and Franks have always been afraid of this. After all, the territory of Germany is Slavic lands, and ours have left a lot. The unification of our raw materials, labor, industry, science is the death of the Western world. And given that only Russians and Germans are able to fight, and the Stasi and the KGB were considered the best intelligence, then the Eastern.
            That is why the people of All Europe are being set up against us, forgetting about the destruction of entire cities by the Anglo-Saxons.
            Yes, not always ours behaved calmly, but do not forget about what they saw and heard on the lands they liberated. And the quality of our army has changed for the worse. The call began with the occupied territories and criminals (for small articles). And this was reflected in the moral character. In addition: the Nazis themselves, in order to intimidate the population, after changing clothes, committed atrocities with their own people.
        2. anomalocaris
          anomalocaris April 29 2013 10: 52 New
          +2
          There are Jews, and there are Jews. A Jew is a nationality, no better and no worse than any other. Jew - a form of biological matter, extremely aggressive.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza April 29 2013 17: 55 New
            +7
            Quote: anomalocaris
            There are Jews, and there are Jews. A Jew is a nationality, no better and no worse than any other.

            "— Именно коммунисты освободили евреев от сионизма. Первый советский реактивный истребитель МиГ был создан евреем Гуревичем и армянином Микояном. На нем стояли пушки выдающегося советского конструктора Нудельмана (еврея). Всемирно известные вертолеты серии МИ были разработаны евреем Милем. Выдающийся авиаконструктор Лавочкин тоже, кстати, еврей. Так вот при Сталине евреи ТВОРИЛИ во благо Родины — а при демократах почему-то стали корнем всех проблем. Так может дело не в евреях?" (А. Ваджра)
          2. stroporez
            stroporez April 30 2013 13: 36 New
            0
            totally agree !!!!!!!! ........
        3. Armata
          Armata April 29 2013 18: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          , you imagine how many Jews would be in Russia then, they were all in Russia now
          there is no canotope on you, antisimit. laughing
      3. redwar6
        redwar6 April 29 2013 08: 24 New
        +5
        Eh, if he really hadn't climbed ..
        Eternal memory to the Heroes-Liberators. Eternal memory to their feat.
      4. Petrospek
        Petrospek April 29 2013 10: 06 New
        +4
        С гитлером? Править всем миром?? А как же его стратегия "напор на восток"? А как же его идеолгия о расовой неполноценности славян??
        In my opinion, you are also brainwashed. Although what to expect from you, you are inferior in Hitler ...
        1. Armata
          Armata April 29 2013 10: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: Petrospek
          С гитлером? Править всем миром?? А как же его стратегия "напор на восток"? А как же его идеолгия о расовой неполноценности славян??
          In my opinion, you are also brainwashed. Although what to expect from you, you are inferior in Hitler ...
          Ну тогда и Сталину их промыли, это ведь именно он сказал "Ду --ак этот Гитлер. Зачем он повернул на восток? Немецкие технологии и Русский солдат могли бы поставить весь мир на колени" (Воспоминания Сталина том 3 глава 17)Кстати полностью хранятся в библиотеке им. Ленина в Москве. И для тех кто не в курсе. Многое что мы сейчас делаем это усовершенствованные технологии захваченные у немцев после войны.
          1. Petrospek
            Petrospek April 29 2013 10: 30 New
            +3
            Well, I also know about German technology, all of our gas turbine construction has roots from there.
            But without options, Hitler needed the Soviet Union only as a raw material base. And what Stalin thought there was his problem, not Hitler's.
            If you are in the know, can you tell me when exactly Stalin said these words? Well, I do not require an exact date, it is clear that you will not remember that, but about a month, a year?
            1. Armata
              Armata April 29 2013 10: 47 New
              0
              Quote: Petrospek
              If you are in the know, do not tell me exactly when Stalin said these words? Well, I do not require an exact date, it is clear that you will not remember that, but about a month, a year?
              I don’t remember exactly, but I read it in the complete collection of Stalin’s memoirs. Specially ordered from a friend a reprint that is stored in the library to them. Lenin and is available to all comers.
              1. Petrospek
                Petrospek April 29 2013 13: 51 New
                -3
                it’s just what I mean, it was most likely said right after the German attack on the USSR, that is, he didn’t say anything out of fright.
                1. Armata
                  Armata April 29 2013 18: 45 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Petrospek
                  growth, to which I am, it was most likely said right after the German attack on the USSR, that is, he didn’t say anything out of fright.
                  Yah? Was he really scared? That is why he did not dump from Moscow to the Urals or to Novosib in general. Do not attribute your qualities to another person.
        2. redwar6
          redwar6 April 29 2013 21: 30 New
          0
          Heh, I take earlier measles, not Reich, an early part of the story.
      5. btsypulin
        btsypulin April 29 2013 10: 16 New
        +3
        Good afternoon! Negative for your logic-with the Nazis rule the world .........
        1. Armata
          Armata April 29 2013 10: 28 New
          +3
          Quote: btsypulin
          Negative for your logic-with the Nazis rule the world ........
          That is why we taught them in the USSR under Hitler’s rule and signed an agreement with him on the extradition of members of the 5 Comintern to each other.
      6. Tartary
        Tartary April 29 2013 10: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: Mechanic
        Hello dear. It would be better not to be released. Hitler would not allow homosexuals to develop like this. His mistake was to climb to the RSFSR (USSR). And so together we could rule the whole world.

        It is with such an exclamation that the mess in the minds begins ...
        Мало того, что история не терпит сослагательности, так еще и не терпит короткой памяти, в т.ч. забывчивости "потомков" - в ковычках потому, что нах такие потомки не нужны, которые иносказанием предают своих предков.
        What does yours mean: - "лучше бы не освобождали..."?
        I want to forget 5-7 million ancestors, who could go in vain HERE and never returned?

        And at the same time we add the statements of the 90s about the declaration of war on Japan and the instant surrender - after all, everything is cool there and they have tamagotchi ...
        Rather, they were, and now Fukushima and the poor perspective on the Kuril Islands ...
        1. Armata
          Armata April 29 2013 10: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Tartary
          Что значит ваше: - "лучше бы не освобождали..."?
          Read in full, not take it out of context. With all the minuses of fascism, his main idea was the purity of the race. And what do you think could homosexual flourish there with such an idea?
          1. alean245
            alean245 April 29 2013 13: 37 New
            +3
            We are not in the way with the fascists. To understand this, it is enough to recall what they were doing in the occupied Soviet territories. You would have stated your point of view to veterans, that they would have been happy.
      7. alex13-61
        alex13-61 April 29 2013 10: 30 New
        +7
        If in World War I fought not against the Germans, but in alliance with them, against the Anglo-Saxons ... There would be neither Hitler nor World War II (World War II for us).
        1. Natalia
          Natalia April 29 2013 10: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: alex13-61
          If in World War I they fought not against the Germans, but in alliance with them, against the Anglo-Saxons ... There wouldn’t be

          If only if .... yes, mushrooms grew in the mouth ....
          Как говорится: "У нас в Рязани, грибы с глазами, их едять, а они глядять." ))))) lol
          1. Tartary
            Tartary April 29 2013 12: 22 New
            -3
            Quote: Natalia
            If only if .... yes, mushrooms grew in the mouth ....

            Glucogenic ??????????? belay
            Quote: Natalia
            Как говорится: "У нас в Рязани, грибы с глазами, их едять, а они глядять." )))))

            In-in .... I heard that glitches begin with this ... First, the eyes of the fungi eaten. then other body parts ... wassat
            Oh, and these inventors of Ryazan - for..ntsy ...))) lol
      8. skeptic
        skeptic April 29 2013 10: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Mechanic
        Hello dear. It would be better not to be released. Hitler would not allow homosexuals to develop like this. His mistake was to climb to the RSFSR (USSR). And so together we could rule the whole world.


        Well, you old man got excited. Have you at least read your com? Ну да, к чему было освобождать, надо было пожурить гитлеренышей, после вторжения их на территорию нашей Родины, они бы покраснели, извинились и предложили бы Сталину, вместе, править всем миром. А гомосеки в руководстве фашистской германии, осознали бы всю неприличность половых связей между людьми одного пола, взялись бы за исправление развращенной Европы от нетрадиционной ориентации. Да и переться на территорию Германии не надо было, достаточно подождать пока гитлеровцы закончат создание атомной бомбы и наведут во всем мири " БОЛЬШОЙ ПОРЯДОК" Ну в общем все не так, все не так ребята.

        THE MAIN ERROR OF RUSSIA AT ALL TIMES IS CARE AFTER VICTORY TO ITS TERRITORY.

        Только после очередного "крестового похода" и закономерного освобождения Европы от новоявленных крестоносцев. Только после того, как Европа поменяет свою государственность, на области, в составе России. Только после этих событий может быть прекращена вся эта грязь. Во веки веков! Примерно так.
      9. ughhh
        ughhh April 29 2013 11: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Mechanic
        It would be better not to be released.

        Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of our people have very vague ideas even about the main causes and consequences of the Second World War. Not to mention the nuances. And most of the ideas are formed not just by painstaking and consistent study of facts and documents, but by the tops of the same propaganda seized. A bunch of all kinds of information noise, against which it is very difficult to find the seeds of truth later.
        Вот, и выводы такие, "с плеча". "Лучше бы не освобождали". Кому лучше? Почему? Ответов нет, но брякнуть надо, добавить информационного мусора.
        Большая часть населения России даже не может сформулировать понятия "фашизм" или его идеологию, но имеет твёрдое мнение и взгляды, что хорошо и что плохо в фашизме.
        In fact, we are the same flock laden with propaganda without a clearly formulated understanding of the processes. Maybe it’s for the better, of course ...
        1. Lavr75
          Lavr75 April 29 2013 11: 42 New
          0
          somehow, Goebbels propaganda pattern
      10. Lavr75
        Lavr75 April 29 2013 11: 40 New
        0
        Something like this. Absolutely lost their hands.
      11. DEfindER
        DEfindER April 29 2013 13: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Mechanic
        And so together we could rule the whole world.

        Well this is unlikely, Communism and Fascism are the exact opposite ..
      12. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg April 29 2013 13: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: Mechanic
        Hitler would not allow homosexuals to develop like this. His mistake was to climb to the RSFSR (USSR). And so together we could rule the whole world.


        Hitler was a puppet, of course he exterminated homosexuals, but he couldn’t climb the USSR, because the strings were tight. The puppeteers could not allow him to rule with us, they needed us as slaves.
      13. Denis
        Denis April 29 2013 16: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: Mechanic
        And so together we could rule the whole world.
        Utopia, here two housewives in the kitchen do not always get along, or two powers and such a leader
        Yes, and the demoniac declared the destruction of the Slavs. He was not the only one who wanted, but the current probable friends even squeal and keep quiet
        1. Armata
          Armata April 29 2013 18: 50 New
          -1
          Quote: Denis
          Yes, and the demoniac declared the destruction of the Slavs. He was not the only one who wanted, but the current probable friends even squeal and keep quiet
          Yes, they do not run wild, they almost captured us by peaceful means (Levis, Snickers, Fant, etc.) Tired of proving that we are under the yoke, not only military, but vile and peaceful. And Hitler, although he was a puppet, but if he had been banged during the assassination attempt, we would have turned the shafts against Western influence.
          1. Denis
            Denis April 29 2013 20: 38 New
            0
            Quote: Mechanic
            they almost captured us by peaceful means
            That's exactly what almost
            Almost not considered. Yes and it happened more than once
            Yes brother, the war is not over
      14. builder74
        builder74 April 29 2013 20: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Mechanic
        Hello dear. It would be better not to be released. Hitler would not allow homosexuals to develop like this. His mistake was to climb to the RSFSR (USSR). And so together we could rule the whole world.


        Spit in those who fought against Nazism! Sadness - longing for such a site, such statements! negative
    2. domokl
      domokl April 29 2013 08: 15 New
      +9
      Quote: bask
      Let them say GREAT THANKS - LOW BOW. RUSSIAN-SOVIET SOLDIERS THAT SAVED THE WORLD FROM ,, brown plague ,,
      Is this a wish or reaction to Western propaganda?
      The problem is that history is being rewritten. The EU adopted a decision on the equal responsibility of Stalin and Hitler (and therefore Russians and Germans) for the Second World War (as far back as 4 years ago). Now the barbarians and rapists are actively making victorious soldiers. our artists help ...
      We must actively promote our historical books, films, paintings, photos and everything connected with the atrocities of the Nazis in Europe.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 29 2013 08: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        We must actively promote our historical books,

        Hello Sasha! Who of the youth is reading books, but only a few. By Internet, it will be more reliable. But such projects should have support and funding from the state, otherwise they will write there that of our modern history textbooks.
        1. domokl
          domokl April 29 2013 08: 30 New
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          But such projects should have support and funding from the state.
          Hello ! hi I am not against the Internet .. But I remember the films We are from the future ... Young people went, they looked with their mouth open ... And they read books .. It’s just that the Internet takes less time.
          And about the support of the state ... And I won’t argue .. You’re completely right ... I’m watching how Americans are making the history of their state and I just want to poke the faces of our leaders in the face, learn.
          Every town celebrates some kind of military victory. It is in a country that knows nothing besides civil. However, the attack of 10 Indians on settlers is annually celebrated as we have Victory Day ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 29 2013 08: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            .This is in a country that knows nothing besides civil ..

            No, they know. There they dropped the link to the video from the TVC, there it is about American history. Most people think that the USA won the Second World War, and the USSR was given one small paragraph, well, so small fights of local importance. But US history paid 3 kg of material. And what’s most interesting, 20% of American youth are not literate at all, they don’t know how to read or write.
        2. Armata
          Armata April 29 2013 08: 31 New
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Who of the youth is reading books, but only a few. P
          Это да. Недавно мелкий получил от старшего такой подзатыльник за то что тот сказал что фильм "Офицеры" это отстой для бабушек. (Саня ты видел моего мелкого по скайпу) Так тот сразу в слезы и побежал мне жаловаться на брата. За что ещё и от меня получил (правда потом я от жены схватил по самые эти самые типа он не виноват в том что ему дороже КС и ГТА4, это время такое) Стало так обидно что старший на могилу дедов ходит 3 раза в год и все про них знает, а мелкий это мамин сын и боится даже суворовского (скорее конечно жена боится что её девочку там обидят)
          1. Romn
            Romn April 29 2013 08: 40 New
            0
            If now people have forgotten how to read, then it’s necessary to make patriotic films at least as small-minded bastards (something a movie shows about their honor and valor against the background of a star-striped flag), no matter how paradoxical this works, nowadays it’s not enough to print books, We need general propaganda on the Internet, on TV, we need to finally begin to exalt our values, show faith in our country and stop us dogging! it's time to stop drooling looking west, you must finally be proud of yourself and for all that we have and have had!
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 29 2013 08: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: Mechanic
            (Sanya, you saw my petty on Skype)

            Видел твоего "мелкого" он в два раза больше меня wassat
        3. Natalia
          Natalia April 29 2013 08: 44 New
          +4
          Good morning to all, and someone good afternoon already)))).
          You know, no matter what they come up with in the west, the main thing is that WE remember what really happened. And they did not allow others to force us to believe in a false version. The Americans failed to convince us that they won the Second World War, so now they have decided our soldiers, our Veterans, to interfere with the mud.
          If we clearly remember and believe in what actually happened, then all this Western propaganda will be no more noisy than a mosquito.

          P.S. Ну надоело немцам испытывать дискомфорт по утрам 9 мая, ну вот и подкинули им идейку "хорошие добрые люди". Ну помните такая тема уже была, аля "Голодомор" на Украине...вот похоже авторы всё теже.
          1. Armata
            Armata April 29 2013 08: 54 New
            +5
            Quote: Natalia
            Ну надоело немцам испытывать дискомфорт по утрам 9 мая, ну вот и подкинули им идейку "хорошие добрые люди".
            Greetings, Natalya. Yes, they don’t have any discomfort. I will say more on 9 in May many German colleagues call and congratulate on the day of the end of the war. Moreover, most Germans of the older generation are well aware of what they were saved from, but young people are starting to think differently.
            1. Natalia
              Natalia April 29 2013 09: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Mechanic
              Greetings, Natalya. Yes, they don’t have any discomfort. I will say more on 9 in May many German colleagues call and congratulate on the day of the end of the war. Moreover, most Germans of the older generation are well aware of what they were saved from, but young people are starting to think differently.

              Quote: Mechanic
              May 8 in Germany is an official holiday and a day off, and the discomfort of May 9 they can have only with a hangover.

              Well, you just washed me and clearly ........ winked )))
              1. Armata
                Armata April 29 2013 09: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: Natalia
                Well, you just washed me and clearly ........)))
                But we are not from evil smile love
                1. Natalia
                  Natalia April 29 2013 10: 06 New
                  0
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  But we are not from evil

                  C'mon, I wasn’t upset smile tongue )))))
            2. fzr1000
              fzr1000 April 29 2013 09: 42 New
              +1
              There are different Germans. Those from the former FRG are trying not to be in Russia on May 9th. At least I know those.
            3. воронов
              воронов April 29 2013 21: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: Mechanic
              On May 9 many German colleagues call and congratulate on the day of the end of the war.

              Как то по иудски они вас "поздравляют с днем окончания войны"???Нет у нас такого праздника,у нас есть День Победы!!! И им вас поздравить с Днём Победы слабо
          2. Canep
            Canep April 29 2013 09: 11 New
            +2
            May 8 in Germany is an official holiday and a day off, and the discomfort of May 9 they can have only with a hangover.
            1. воронов
              воронов April 29 2013 21: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: Canep
              May 9 discomfort they can only have with a hangover.

              Are you Tolerast?
          3. Onotollah
            Onotollah April 29 2013 10: 41 New
            +5
            What does it mean no matter what they think / think up in the west?
            In my opinion, these tolerant comrades need to be constantly reminded of how gloves and lampshades were made by the Nazis from people, how they fertilized the ashes of burned fields, how they made soap from prisoners in concentration camps.
            The Eurotolerasts have a short memory, however troubles come out.
    3. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk April 29 2013 09: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: bask
      Let them say GREAT THANKS - LOW BOW. RUSSIAN-SOVIET SOLDIERS THAT SAVED THE WORLD FROM ,, brown plague ,,
      And then We’d be sitting in a cage like experimental tuziki.
      ETERNAL GLORY TO SOLDIERS OF THE WWII.


      Для выбл... ви пардон правильно настроенных в духе общегейропейских ценностей всеобщего жопоблудия общечеловекоф, ваши слова лишь признак, что Вы фи "русская какашка" не понимающую глубину - глубин их мысли.
      Talking with them is impossible and useless they can only be destroyed like insects.
    4. de klermon
      de klermon April 29 2013 10: 55 New
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      Colleagues, I am once again ready to repeat that there is no one to rejoice in our Victory to the west of the Vistula!
      I remind you:
      "Германия - национал-социализм,
      Italy - Fascism
      Spain - Francoism,
      France - split in half into Vichy and Gaullists,
      Hungary - Hortism, then Salashism (they are Hitler's allies),
      Poland - hates Russia, regardless of conditions, circumstances and historical context, they can only tolerate us at the edge of death, and only by clenching their teeth and biting their lips to the blood,
      Хорватия - союзники стран "Оси", воевали за гитлера в своем большинстве (хотя надо признать - Тито - хорват),
      Албанцы - союзники "Оси",
      Турция - сочувствующая "Оси",
      Румыния - воевала с СССР, военный союзник Рейха, к слову, жена Паулюса (папы "Барбароссы") - румынская аристократка),
      Bulgaria is Germany’s military ally, formally did not declare war on the USSR,
      Sweden - the whole war voluntarily supplied Germany with strategic resources,
      Finland - a military ally of the Reich, fought with the USSR, on their conscience millions of victims of the siege of Leningrad,
      Norway - a significant part of the population - Quislingists (the last of the Quisling collaborator),
      Великобритания - с ней и без комментариев все ясно, это страна - эгоист, ее вообще только собственные проблемы интересуют, для нее проникновение в Европу СССР далее Буга и Вислы - это трагедия 20 века!.."

      And now, remember that Germany began the construction of 4 Reich under the guise of the European Union, and, moreover, it started quite a long time !!! SHE AND HER NEW-OLD SATELLITES MUST LOVE US? FOR WHAT?
      Friends, this victory is ours! Mostly people live in the West, whose grandfathers we defeated in the most terrible war in the history of mankind !!! Moreover, they did it for the second time, do not forget 1812!

      So with the upcoming day of the GREAT VICTORY !!!
      1. 755962
        755962 April 29 2013 14: 26 New
        16
        They are right, the Russian Soldier is not like everyone else ...
      2. lyuboyan
        lyuboyan April 29 2013 22: 48 New
        0
        Очень верно. Правда "только собственные интересы" интересуют не одну Великобританию.А все страны. Все,кроме России. Пора бы уже и нам стать страной-эгоистом. Разумный эгоизм ещё никому не помешал. А то,Россия всегда заботится о разных "братьях" и "братушках" в ущерб,порой своим интересам.
    5. vjhbc
      vjhbc April 29 2013 19: 54 New
      -1
      this is to us, our kindness had to be cut out all
      Quote: bask
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      date% 20–% 20 winner]
      Let them say GREAT THANKS - LOW BOW. RUSSIAN-SOVIET SOLDIERS THAT SAVED THE WORLD FROM ,, brown plague ,,
      And then We’d be sitting in a cage like experimental tuziki.
      ETERNAL GLORY TO SOLDIERS OF THE WWII.
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  2. djon3volta
    djon3volta April 29 2013 07: 46 New
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    I already said once, but I probably didn’t understand correctly - EUROPE, with their homosexuality and Islamization, missed Hitler. Because they began to forget who spread rot and who freed. Repeat mother of teaching.
    1. Renat
      Renat April 29 2013 07: 58 New
      +4
      Our ancestors paid too high a price for getting rid of the brown plague. Well, is it really necessary to repeat this so that a well-fed Europe understands the whole tragedy of the war?
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 29 2013 08: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Renat
        Well, is it really necessary to repeat this so that a well-fed Europe understands the whole tragedy of the war?

        Well, they themselves, without knowing what they are striving for, will not cure sadomasochism! They themselves (or to the tune of the United States, Hitler also sponsored the United States and nouskali) set themselves up against us, move the NATO block and deploy missile defense.
      2. lyuboyan
        lyuboyan April 29 2013 22: 52 New
        0
        Alas, everything in the world is repeated. Perhaps these are the laws of history? No other way. 2,3,4 generations and everything is forgotten. And then, the story repeats itself ...
        1. xan
          xan 1 May 2013 09: 39 New
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          Quote: lyuboyan
          2,3,4 generations and everything is forgotten.


          Yes, they have not forgotten anything, and therefore stink a lot
          it is necessary that the Russians do not forget, then we will definitely remind the Europeans on occasion
  3. Ermolov
    Ermolov April 29 2013 07: 49 New
    +2
    VERY SORRY ... THE FIRST HALF IN THE LANTERNS .. AND THE SECOND HALF OF THE GERMANS IN SIBERIA .. PROBLEM NOW IT WOULD BE LESS ..
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac April 29 2013 10: 18 New
      +1
      got it already -
      Quote: YERMOLOV
      ..A SECOND HALF OF THE GERMANS IN SIBERIA ..

      what, except to Siberia and where to send no where?
      1. Onotollah
        Onotollah April 29 2013 13: 05 New
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        Maybe not a lot off topic, but laughed a lot when I heard:
        "Озеро Байкал настолько глубоко, что если в него поместить все население США, то его уровень поднимется всего на 10 см"
        1. Egoza
          Egoza April 29 2013 18: 28 New
          +6
          Quote: Onotolle
          "Озеро Байкал настолько глубоко,...

          Посмейтесь вдвойне. Это ДЕЙСТВИТЕЛЬНО сказал один экскурсовод, который водил группу американцев. Потом этот пример приводили для молодых переводчиков как НЕ НАДО вести экскурсии. Но я представляю, как амеры "впечатлились" laughing
          1. Armata
            Armata April 29 2013 18: 56 New
            0
            Quote: Egoza
            Посмейтесь вдвойне. Это ДЕЙСТВИТЕЛЬНО сказал один экскурсовод, который водил группу американцев. Потом этот пример приводили для молодых переводчиков как НЕ НАДО вести экскурсии. Но я представляю, как амеры "впечатлились"
            Hi Lena with an awl in ........ (this is egoza, no offense) laughing love Why spoil clean water with rotten meat? We have a lot of land for fertilizer.
        2. Simon
          Simon April 29 2013 22: 00 New
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          No! Friends, we will not ban the clean waters of Lake Baikal with American stinking liberalism, it is better to immerse them in the Pacific Ocean. negative hi
      2. xan
        xan 1 May 2013 09: 43 New
        0
        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        what, except to Siberia and where to send no where?

        Where we are usually sent, they are now stoned high
        It is necessary to refer to the Caucasus, as Lermontov
  4. sergo0000
    sergo0000 April 29 2013 07: 51 New
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    And who said that it will be easy!? In war, as in war! Including information. hi That's what I like articles from our authors, so it is the presence of proposals, coupled with an abundance and quality of information!
    Like this:In this regard, the question arises: isn't it time to focus on attempts at another distortion of historical facts that is hitting Russia's image? If we take into account that in 2012-13, the Russian Federation and Germany are conducting cross-year cultural years, it would not be superfluous to carry out a series of events during this cultural campaign that would expose attempts by certain individuals to demonize the essence of the Great Victory.
  5. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 29 2013 07: 51 New
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    Just like 70 years ago, nothing in the world has changed.
    yes they lie, but to whom do we? but we know the truth. They lie to their citizens, to their own soldiers, who are convinced of the bloodthirstiness of the Russians. this is the biggest stupidity that can be done. If it happens that a clash occurs, then these very soldiers of the West will piss at the mere mention of Russia and Siberia. And with such propaganda, every time they grow to win, aren’t they rams request
    1. Armata
      Armata April 29 2013 08: 10 New
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      They lie to their citizens, to their own soldiers, who are convinced of the bloodthirstiness of the Russians. this is the biggest stupidity that can be done. If it happens that a clash occurs, then these very soldiers of the West will piss at the mere mention of Russia and Siberia. And with such propaganda, every time they grow to win, aren’t they rams

      Darovo Sanya. Think for yourself why they need to lie to us? The nation they want to wipe off does not deserve their attention. But to clean their brains so that they consider themselves not to be defeated, yes. The Nazis were also zombified when they went to the Russians, but when they didn’t think about their teeth, they completely got their jaw. Not a topic, but revealing about them. It's about their morals from Amer’s forums.
      "Америка. Учусь тут. Народ адекватный, но встречаются. Пошли в кафе с однокурсниками, какой-то левый чувак с другого столика:

      “It is you (the Russians) who are to blame for the attacks in Boston!”
      - Why?
      - You attacked Chechnya for the last 200 years and they became embittered!
      - And why did we initially go into Chechnya?
      - * strained thought process * Oil! You needed oil!
      - You're right. We survived as best we could. In the 19 century, we began to miss 70 billion barrels of Siberian oil and there was nothing to refuel horses. Please forgive us.

      Брызги супа из ноздрей с соседних с трех столиков, красный оставляет обильные чаевые и сваливает, не допив свое пиво."
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 29 2013 08: 24 New
        +5
        Quote: Mechanic
        Think for yourself why they need to lie to us?

        Hello again drinks Eugene, they will not lie to adults, but the youth is quite easy. Our youth already knows about 2 world 0.1 no more. They do not know Zhukov, but they know Zverev and Kirkorov.
        Quote: Mechanic
        Oil! You needed oil!

        Zhen.skin a link to the site Amerovsky, where you registered there again winked
        1. Armata
          Armata April 29 2013 08: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Zhen.skin a link to the site Amerovsky, where you registered there again
          Меня там периодически банят на разных сайтах (не подхожу им по формату форумов), но там их много разных, так что просто в поисковик "Американские патриотические форумы" на их родном и сразу найдешь штук 100, а там столько всего интересного. laughing
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 29 2013 08: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Mechanic
            They periodically ban me on different sites (I do not fit them in the format of forums)

            Why are you chatting with them at all, there is the country of Down Towns laughing
            Quote: Mechanic
            "Американские патриотические форумы"

            I'll take a look
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 29 2013 09: 05 New
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            Quote: Mechanic
            in their native place and you’ll immediately find 100 pieces,

            Eugene, damn it give a normal link to amerovsky esaites. scored, as you said, the first five are our courage, then all of ours too, and then the American website of the BOM AMERICA association laughing
            1. Armata
              Armata April 29 2013 09: 16 New
              0
              Patriotic forums of America. Paste this into the search engine.
              1. Manager
                Manager April 29 2013 10: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: Mechanic
                Patriotic forums of America. Paste this into the search engine.


                Paste not in Yandex but in Google.
  6. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI April 29 2013 07: 52 New
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    Просмотрел недавно немецкий фильм "Наши отцы и матери "- и увидел что немцы не сколько не сожалели об МАССОВЫХ УБИЙСТВАХ русского населения .Основной упор делался на страдания немецкого солдата - вот он какой несчастный ,русские морозы , вши ,партизанен во всем виноваты.
    And they killed there you understand a couple of hundred Russians. Well, this is such a trifle that you do not need to pay attention to.
    History repeats itself in a spiral - perhaps soon in EUROPE and in GERMANY in particular, they will speak again - DRANG NAH OSTEN.
    1. late
      late April 29 2013 09: 16 New
      +5
      Читаю сейчас книгу Артема Драбкина "Войсковые разведчики".В ней изложены воспоминания людей,служивших в разведке в Великую Отечественную,в том числе и тех,кто ПЕРВЫМИ ступил на немецкую землю в ходе войны,ведь разведчики всегда впереди.Привожу высказывание Агапова Евгения Федоровича - "Русский человек не способен долго ненавидеть.Мы прогнали врага с родной земли,а дальше у нас ненависти не было.Взяв Берлин,мы не попытались стереть немецкий народ с лица земли." От себя добавлю - читая воспоминания ветеранов,понимаю,что первоначальное желание мести у многих бойцов ,видевших пожарища на месте деревень,погибших мирных жителей,особенно в своих родных местах,быстро исчезло,тем более,советским командованием был издан приказ - за мародерство полагалась смерть.Случаи расстрела именно за мародерство приведены в воспоминаниях всего у двух или трех ветеранов Войны.
    2. Onotollah
      Onotollah April 29 2013 10: 47 New
      +2
      Есть мнение если в Европе и Германии и заговорят то не о "натиске на восток", а на турецком и дари и отнюдь не о натиске. laughing
  7. Bykov.
    Bykov. April 29 2013 07: 55 New
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    ... In the West, a campaign has been launched to demonize the Soviet soldier - the winner ...

    The gut, thin, of these demonizers, failed, with the Soviet Soldier, then now nothing will come of it.

    Happy holiday! Victory Day!
    Although the war, judging by the article, is still ongoing, it is numbing, reptiles.
  8. mogus
    mogus April 29 2013 08: 01 New
    +8
    бить врага нужно его же оружием. Из докладов о здоровье пригнанных в рабство Русских девушек: 9 из 10 были девственницами. Пусть попробуют обьяснить это "степнын варварством".
    1. Rider
      Rider April 29 2013 16: 26 New
      +4
      Quote: mogus
      Из докладов о здоровье пригнанных в рабство Русских девушек: 9 из 10 были девственницами. Пусть попробуют обьяснить это "степнын варварством".



      don’t you understand?
      this is barbarism, here are 14-year-olds NOT virgins, this is a sign of Tsylylizytsy.

      а если серьёзно, каков нынче уровень "чистоты" ну хотя бы нынешних 18летних ?
  9. Denis
    Denis April 29 2013 08: 02 New
    +6
    More precisely, that ugly company has been going on for a long time. Very many people want to rewrite history. When there are no heroes, they are invented. What does the geyropa do
    1. Natalia
      Natalia April 29 2013 10: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Denis
      More precisely, that ugly company has been going on for a long time. Very many people want to rewrite history. When there are no heroes, they are invented. What does the geyropa do

      У Германии просто опять закипает кровь, опять стремится Европу взять под полный контроль. Новое молодое поколение вырастает и западает на лозунги...которые для них придумывают, или как то даже я бы сказала подстрекают: "Мол вы че, вас наклонили когда то а вы будете вечность с этим мириться, да кто они такие...." ну и все такое.
      1. Denis
        Denis April 29 2013 11: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Natalia
        Germany just boils again
        Yes, the geyropa compared to the Baltic rats are just angels
      2. воронов
        воронов April 29 2013 22: 02 New
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        Quote: Natalia
        Germany just boils blood again, again seeks to take Europe under full control

        Это с какого перепуга вы такие выводы сделали? Германия давным давно уже не та, как до второй мировой,поезжайте туда и сами убедитесь,тевтонского и прусского духа там давно уж в помине нет.Если что и "закипает" у местных бюргеров так только пиво в желудках,их периодически в позу ромберга ставят турки,арабы,негры да и наши тоже. laughing
      3. Raven1972
        Raven1972 April 29 2013 23: 12 New
        0
        Honestly, I am more and more inclined to believe that Germany and Russia again want to pit in the war, as was the case with the First World War, the Second World War - hence all these creeps .... soldier am
  10. dark_65
    dark_65 April 29 2013 08: 04 New
    +7
    Good day to everyone, it seems to me that if you scrape through the information gossip, then there are so many petty tricks for the whole Europe, mother don’t grieve, so who is the messenger to play and merge a little bit, but all the time? Czechs don’t like Germans, so make a truthful series, the Dutch remember Spanish rule, what is the problem, few facts?
    England and Scotland, with skillful submission, there is enough slaughter for a hundred years. France and Italy, Belgium and Germany.
    Compromising on the Baltic states? Yes, I think the carriage. Bulgarians and Turks, Romanians and Turks, Moldovans and Turks. Hungarians and Austria, Ukraine and Poland (with a lowercase letter knowingly, since it’s not a nation, and not a country, so it’s a territorial rabble, one on the outskirts of Europe, the second all-out settlements are utter)
    With a competent presentation, they will forget about us for a long time, theirs will be enough.
    Dorenko will help them with Svanidze, and the mustache will be good.
  11. Soldier
    Soldier April 29 2013 08: 06 New
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    And Solzhenitsyn is still the one with tsuko. Here because of SUCH Jews, we don’t really like normal Jews. In the 90s he was proclaimed the conscience of the nation ... Yeah .. What kind of government is such a conscience
    1. wax
      wax April 29 2013 15: 13 New
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      Не наш человек - Солженицын. Как он брызгал слюной на Шолохова. Вот не мог еврей даже представить себе, что русский, да еще в молодом возрасте, мог написать такое эпохальное произведение, как "Тихий Дон", до которого Солженицыну как до рая. Однако рукописи нашлись. Нечего Солженицыну делать в учебниках our literature.
      1. xan
        xan 1 May 2013 09: 55 New
        -1
        Ну незнаю, может и были у Солженицына заморочки, но под конец жизни терпеть не мог западную демократию, и не скрывал этого. Да и "В августе 14го" написал, не мог так написать не любящий Россию
  12. Andrew 121
    Andrew 121 April 29 2013 08: 10 New
    +7
    It has always been so unfortunately. They always nodded to the East, supposedly there are barbarians, and the more east, the purer the soul, and people have a conscience. We are a simple people from Russia ... but in the simplicity of this is our wealth.
    1. lyuboyan
      lyuboyan April 29 2013 23: 05 New
      -1
      Извините. Но у нас в России есть поговорка народная:"Простота хуже воровства." Это так,к слову. smile
  13. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus April 29 2013 08: 11 New
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    Солженицын- ренегат и провокатор.Его клеветнические русофобские произведения постоянно служат основой для извращения нашей истории и очернения советской действительности.Не зря его в свое время выперднули из страны.Не сгноили в лагерях, не расстреляли как предателя, что по сути было бы правильно. А именно выгнали как собаку, которая начала огрызаться на кормящего ее хозяина. Если кто то считает правдой его писанину, то пусть задумается, почему с ним так поступили. Не думаю, что " кровавая гэбня" постеснялась бы кого то поставить его к стенке или сгноить в лагерях.
    1. Denis_SF
      Denis_SF April 29 2013 08: 53 New
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      Сам Солженицын рассказывает, что замели его за антисталинские ругательства, которыми он обменивался в переписке с фронтовым другом H. Виткевичем, и признает: "Hе хватало все-таки ума сообразить... Hу, не на что обижаться, что дали срок" (из интервью 1992 г.). Хотя, чего уж соображать 26-летнему капитану: ругать Верховного Главнокомандующего во время войны? Да еще в военной переписке, заведомо подвергаемой цензуре! Разве он не понимал, что подставляет не только себя? Поневоле воспримешь с доверием версию о "самодоносе", которую выдвинул в 1976 г. чешский журналист Т. Ржезач, позже ее изложил в своих неопубликованных мемуарах Л. Самутин, бывший власовец, один из "соавторов" Солженицына, а в 1998 г. российский журналист О. Давыдов. В "Архипелаге ГУЛАГ", описывая следствие и свое поведение на нем, Солженицын становится очень невнятен. Зато из выступлений К. Симоняна, H. Виткевича можно узнать, что на следствии он заложил буквально всех: и Виткевича, который "с 1940 г. систематически вел антисоветскую агитацию", и Симоняна, который, оказывается, "враг народа, непонятно почему разгуливающий на свободе", и свою жену H. Решетовскую, и школьную подругу Л. Ежерец, и даже случайного попутчика в поезде, некоего моряка Власова. Правда, посадили только прямого адресата - Виткевича (получил 10 лет, сам Солженицын 8!). Кстати следователь определил А.И. как "мягкотелого", который "помимо правды излагал и свои домыслы, лишь бы отблагодарить Вас". Зачем? А чтоб оказаться подальше от передовой, где могут убить. Самострелом или дезертиром уйти опасно, а вот получить небольшой срок за "непозволительные разговорчики", да накануне победы и, значит, неизбежной амнистии - чем не выход? Тюремные страдания? Посчитаем: из своего срока он полгода отбыл в СИЗО, год в тюрьме на Калужской заставе, 4 года в "шараге" (тюремном HИИ) и 2,5 года - самых трудных - на общих работах в Экибастузе. Как он страдал в СИЗО и тюрьме: "Какая же уютная жизнь - шахматы, книги, пружинная кровать, добротные матрасы, чистое белье. Да я за всю войну не помню, чтоб так спал. Hатертый паркетный пол... Hет, таки эта центральная политическая тюрьма - чистый курорт... Я вспомнил сырую слякоть под Вормдитом, откуда меня арестовали и где наши сейчас месят грязь и мокрый снег, чтоб не выпустить немцев из котла" ("Архипелаг ГУЛАГ", том I, гл. 5). А вот о шараге: "Середину срока я провел на золотом острове, где арестантов поили, кормили, содержали в тепле и чистоте". В Экибастузе Солженицын-бригадир угодил в январскую 1952 г. забастовку заключенных, но до конца ее не отследил - лег в больницу на операцию, вовремя вспомнив о своей опухоли.
      Everything is pretty well described in the article http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/119083
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt April 29 2013 09: 40 New
        +4
        Yes, it’s worth remembering the shots when the EBN organized a train for him across Russia, how he (Solzhenitsyn) was met at the stations ..
        Our people are not stupid, and have never been stupid, by the way ..
        1. evgenm55
          evgenm55 April 29 2013 10: 46 New
          +5
          I always knew, and now I have received extra confirmation - it was not in vain that Stalin isolated and shot all sorts of kov. But as our liberals bless this Solzhenitsyn. More orders were given to her than the honored war veteran.
      2. Denis
        Denis April 29 2013 11: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Denis_SF
        Solzhenitsyn himself says that swept him for anti-Stalin curses
        Is it worth believing right away? And it often happens that they will detain someone polite and deceased or who is not needing where he needs to, and then he yells that he is a prisoner of conscience. Or a jealous husband will beat the face of some scribbler and all the pressure on the press
        1. Denis_SF
          Denis_SF April 29 2013 14: 19 New
          +5
          Is it worth believing right away? And it often happens that they will detain someone polite and deceased or who is not needing where he needs to, and then he yells that he is a prisoner of conscience. Or a jealous husband will beat the face of some scribbler and all the pressure on the press

          Существует мнение, что он сам на себя донос и написал. т.к. уже всё прекрасно спланировал. Коли сотрудничать с опером, то можно не плохо находится и по ту сторону решётки. "Пребывание в местах заключения Солженицын беллетризованно описал во многих сочинениях, например, о "шарашке" - роман "В круге первом". Hо воспринимать его тексты слишком доверчиво не стоит. В первую очередь это относится к истории с вербовкой в "стукачи". Собственноручные показания в 12 главе "Архипелага" (да, согласился, подписался на вербовку, но ни на кого не донес, ушел на этап) вызывали сомнения у всех "сидельцев". Бывший меньшевик М. Якубович, один из "соавторов", в неопубликованной статье "Постскриптум к Архипелагу" писал: "Если б это сообщение исходило не от самого Солженицына, я бы, пожалуй, и не поверил... Уверения Солженицына, что работники органов, не получая от "Ветрова" обещанной информации, добродушно с этим примирились и, мало того, послали этого обманщика в спецлагерь с несравненно лучшими условиями - сущая нелепица... Покрытый на Западе славой неустрашимого борца против "варварского коммунизма", сидя на мешке золота... Солженицын все-таки не знает покоя. Его, несомненно, обуревает страх... А вдруг КГБ выступит с разоблачениями и опубликует во всемирное сведение тайну "Ветрова" - каков будет удар для репутации "пророка" и лауреата? Так не лучше ли упредить, перехватить, подать разоблачение в своей версии, в своей интерпретации: да, я был секретным осведомителем, но в действительности я никаких доносов ни на кого не делал... Такова психологическая причина саморазоблачения Солженицына". Другой "соавтор", Л. Самутин, утверждает: "Этот рассказ рассчитан на людей совершенно несведущих... Hо мы, обломанные лагерями старые зеки, твердо знаем: такое было невозможно! Hельзя поверить, чтобы, дав подписку "стучать", от опера можно было так легко отделаться. Да еще как? Переводом на привилегированное положение в особый лагерь... Этот документ о переводе приходит из Управления лагерей и поступает к начальнику лагеря. Hо никак не минует и оперуполномоченного, без визы которого в действие приведен быть не может. Характеристику на переводимого пишет он же... А хорошую характеристику на взявшего обязательство, а потом нагло уклонившегося от этого дела какой опер напишет? Где найдется такой ? Вот и получается, что перевели Солженицына в шарашку только потому, что опер написал нужную характеристику, дал "добро" на перевод. Hе надо больше разжевывать, что означало такое "добро"".
  14. fenix57
    fenix57 April 29 2013 08: 11 New
    13
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    but we know the truth. They lie to their citizens, to their own soldiers, who are convinced of the bloodthirstiness of the Russians. this is the biggest stupidity that can be done. If it happens that a clash occurs, then these very soldiers of the West will piss at the mere mention of Russia and Siberia

    Мы правду знаем!,-это да. Но необходимо чтобы её-ПРАВДУ знали и дети и внуки наши, без искажений и домыслов "современных" историков.
    А по поводу "пройтись" маршрутом дедов,- так пусть в гейропе бояться этого всегда! hi
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 29 2013 08: 27 New
      +5
      Quote: fenix57
      А по поводу "пройтись" маршрутом дедов,- так пусть в гейропе бояться этого всегда

      Merkel up to tweets there and ultimately, will wash the socks of the Russian soldiers.
      Not afraid already of the geyrop, dared to understand wink
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 29 2013 08: 27 New
      +8
      Quote: fenix57
      А по поводу "пройтись" маршрутом дедов,- так пусть в гейропе бояться этого всегда!
      1. Raven1972
        Raven1972 April 29 2013 23: 23 New
        0
        And I’ll add on my own))))) soldier hi
      2. Raven1972
        Raven1972 April 29 2013 23: 40 New
        +4
        And I'll add more on my own)))) soldier laughing
  15. qwertynsan
    qwertynsan April 29 2013 08: 13 New
    +2
    Yes, just moral. What is the need for a third world?
    1. does it
      does it April 29 2013 09: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: qwertynsan
      Yes, just moral. What is the need for a third world?

      no, they just want to humiliate Russia once again and the Americans will skim the cream
      1. Armata
        Armata April 29 2013 09: 17 New
        +6
        Quote: kvirit
        Russia
        The name of any country, if you respect it, is capitalized.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel April 29 2013 12: 55 New
          +8
          Zhenya! Who do you think betrayed the Soviet Union? We, with our indifference and indifference. Who collapsed, WE. Who has nothing to do with the conquests and victories of the Soviet Union. We, those who betrayed their Great Motherland, who lost, sold, stole the socialist conquests, Everyone who met the age of majority in 1991 is a traitor, without a clan and tribe. And now we all should not be citizens, but stateless persons. A new generation of those born already in Russia should disperse traitors from that time, who crawled into power, and deprive them of the right to elect and be elected using a mop. At the same time and us. We already made it
          1. Armata
            Armata April 29 2013 13: 16 New
            +4
            Hi Yuri. It is not regrettable, but you are right. Many times I wrote that I am ashamed of my actions in 91. I shouted ur ur freedom and sneakers. Now came a re-awareness of what was in those days. It gets sick of being sold for a cheap candy.
            1. воронов
              воронов April 29 2013 22: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: Mechanic
              It gets sick of being sold for a cheap candy.

              You sold out, don't judge the rest by yourself
            2. Denis
              Denis April 29 2013 22: 32 New
              0
              Quote: Mechanic
              I am ashamed of my actions in 91
              Feel free to admit
              Many people then turned to this rubbish. Then a hangover, it’s like it’s not easy
  16. ksandr45
    ksandr45 April 29 2013 08: 14 New
    +6
    Well, it’s necessary to write such a thing, I don’t care what they, in the geyropp, think about me, but this is what to say about my grandfather !!! Padla, the time will come and you will answer for everything, not a duck in front of me in front of my grandson.
  17. Mails
    Mails April 29 2013 08: 18 New
    +4
    Sometimes for such a reversal of facts, it hurts and offends.
    Уж, очень хочется дать по "зубам" этим пропагандистским шавкам, иной раз даже очень не пропорционально применить силу.
    Not really we still have not learned counter-propaganda and PR. Isn’t it that RosNANO has stolen everything?
  18. Garrin
    Garrin April 29 2013 08: 19 New
    +4
    Creatures are ungrateful, homosexual.
  19. Normal
    Normal April 29 2013 08: 20 New
    +7
    In war, as in war .... It does not matter what kind of war it is, real or virtual-informational.
    Запад есть Запад. Страх Европейцев перед Россией, их ненависть к Русским есть способ обелить себя, чувствовать себя цивилизованными и культурно-продвинутыми. Кто они и что они, Мы знаем. Не Европе учить Нас нравственности и человеколюбию. Если Запад ведёт против Нас информационную войну, то наша задача, как было всегда, отбить нападение и перейти в наступление по всем фронтам. Завершить войну в столице врага добившись безоговорочной капитуляции. В общем, "работать" надо.
  20. pensioner
    pensioner April 29 2013 08: 22 New
    +7
    Самое обидное, что всю эту гнусность наше правительство пропустит мимо ушей, ченидь вякнет типа "непозволим" и все. И будут все эти немцы, поляки, чехи там разные изображать жертву и дальше. А лет через ....цать в учебниках будут писать, что мол, европа хотела в 41м в Россию цивилизацию принести, а те не только отказались, но и (неблагодарные) сами пришли в европу и всех изнасиловали. Что-то делать надо! Не получается пропихнуть правдивую информацию на межгосударственном уровне - надо на другом пробовать. Есть же связи межвузовские, личные, деловые и т.д. Надо только грамотно выстроить подачу информации(найти формы подачи, стиль, содержание и т.д.). Уверен, что люди потянутся к ней. Хотя бы момент новизны скажется, да и далеко не все у них неумные люди. У нас в МИДе, например, есть подразделение, которое могло бы заняться этим? А может уже занимается и я все тут зря?.
  21. fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 29 2013 08: 23 New
    +4
    We didn’t suffocate them a little.
  22. Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. April 29 2013 08: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Nikolay S.
    Quote: Romn
    flawed people who distort history and descend to the lowest vile lie will still get theirs.

    I personally am sorry that the Red Army did not behave towards the European countries of the Hitler coalition as they did to us. It was necessary to carry out the genocide of tens of millions in the death factories, it was necessary to continuously massively shoot hostages from the civilian population, it was necessary to constantly burn out the inhabited cities and villages, to drive suitable youth to work in Siberia, and smaller ones to be forged to Russians, and to take everything out of there . You look, and there would be no one to blame Russia.

    Why aren’t we bastards like these Europeans?
  23. Basilevs
    Basilevs April 29 2013 08: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Mechanic
    And so together we could rule the whole world.
    Ну да, конечно!! Подобное цитате бредовое высказывание произнёс с телеэкрана Череп из "мы из будущего".Два медведя в одной берлоге никогда не уживутся. Никогда бы не было никакого вместе.
  24. Mails
    Mails April 29 2013 08: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: djon3volta
    I already said once, but I probably didn’t understand correctly - EUROPE, with their homosexuality and Islamization, missed Hitler. Because they began to forget who spread rot and who freed. Repeat mother of teaching.


    I just would not want to prove it again with the multimillion-dollar victims of the Russian people.
  25. Basilevs
    Basilevs April 29 2013 08: 34 New
    +8
    Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
    The main emphasis was placed on the suffering of the German soldier - that’s how unfortunate he is, Russian frosts, lice, partisans are to blame for everything.

    Gold words!! In short, all the memoirs of German soldiers are reduced to this and how many have not read them. We poor, unfortunate, no one loves us, cold and hungry, evil uncles shoot from the forest. Why the hell did you crawl to us? Our people will not allow you to stuff Russian fluffy horseradish into your mouth.
  26. qroz5
    qroz5 April 29 2013 08: 36 New
    +1
    not Russians started it
  27. AndreyAB
    AndreyAB April 29 2013 08: 41 New
    +4
    А если глянуть поглубже в историю, то "просвещённый" запад, который русские всегда спасали от различных "просвещённых" диктаторов, по прошествии времени всегда обгаживал спасителей и Россию начинали обгаживать до очередного развязывания какой нибудь бойни, а нашим отцам, дедам и прадедам приходилось их заканчивать, и ведь мерзавцы что удумали называть нашу страну варварской и мелитаристской при условии что Россия не развязала ниодной мировой или крупной войны, и даже сейчас штаты по всему миру воюют, европейци в купе с ними да ещё и ливия на их совести, вот уж действительно кто громче всех кричит держи вора - воровской "просвещённый" запад с извращёнными понятиями морали, продолжает пугать нами своих граждан потому что мы не хотим жить как они и это преступление за которое бомбят.
  28. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 29 2013 08: 42 New
    -14
    Сколько гневных проклятий и оскорбленных чувств. Можно сколько угодно закрывать глаза на мародерство и насилие, вот только живых свидетелей того ещё много, попробуйте с ними поспорить, на пример с Gabriele Köpp которая об этом написала книгу "Warum war ich bloß ein Mädchen? Das Trauma einer Flucht 1945". Сами ветераны насилие прикрывают фразой "Да они сами под нас ложились", а мародёрство "Это же трофеи". По воспоминаниям самих фронтовиков и пострадавших (особенно насилию подвергались русские девушки угнанные в Германию) особо зверствовали тыловики, те самые тыловые крысы, что всю войну просидели в обозах, на складах и в других загашниках, а потом после войны очень любили рассказывать детишкам про войну. Тем же кто с боями прорывался к рейхстагу просто некогда было этим заниматься, да и не потащишь на себе шмотьё в бой. После войны тысячи тыловиков обвешанных наградами до пупа составили основную силу советского агатпропа гневно реагируя на любое упоминание о насилии и мародерстве.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 29 2013 08: 53 New
      13
      Nobody canceled the trophies. Yes, by ... no need to argue with these witnesses. THANKS, SAY REASONS, that in general there is such a place as Germany and such a German nation. That's all expats from non-Germans are still leaving Russia on May 9th. It's a shame, bastard, and scary.
      А ты откуда знаешь про "1000 тыловиков-грабителей"? Или твой дед рассказал, как он мародерствовал, или очередной высер типа Суворова или западного "исследователя" ВОВ прочел?
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 29 2013 09: 32 New
        -7
        Quote: fzr1000
        Nobody canceled the trophies.

        call looting at least somehow, the essence will not change
        Quote: fzr1000
        А ты откуда знаешь про "1000 тыловиков-грабителей"? Или твой дед рассказал, как он мародерствовал, или очередной высер типа Суворова или западного "исследователя" ВОВ прочел?

        read the memories of soldiers, refugees.
        П.С: моё отношение к тыловикам подтвердилось в 2000г. когда эта "весёлая"орава ни разу не выезжавшая на зачисти, да и вообще из расположения возвращалась домой увешенная "наградами" как тот дембель значками.
    2. Armata
      Armata April 29 2013 09: 25 New
      +6
      Quote: Nayhas
      с Gabriele Köpp которая об этом написала книгу "Warum war ich bloß ein Mädchen? Das Trauma einer Flucht 1945".
      Your post didn’t delete, let everyone see where they get knowledge from like you. Personally, I am ashamed that such degenerates live on our earth and hide under the Russian flag. Both of my grandfathers fought and have orders and medals. What did they also earn by looting and violence? angry Like you fool and mess our history.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 29 2013 09: 39 New
        -8
        I don’t know how your grandfathers fought, you know better, I didn’t blame them for anything. Just because your grandfathers are honest warriors does not mean that there was no robbery and violence. And the story is not dirty or clean, it has no color and smell, it just is what it is, and if you study history, love this thing, then do not be afraid to encounter something that is not entirely pleasant.
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 April 29 2013 09: 50 New
          +8
          Ну и в чем смысл такого "изучения" истории? "Поле после боя принадлежит мародерам" известна фраза? Немцы не заморачивались моралью, грабя и убивая гражданских. С какого мы должны были потом поступать иначе. Разница между нами и немцами была в том, что у нас за мародерство и насилие полагался расстрел. Так что почувствуйте разницу. Все остальное сопли и блеяние...
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas April 29 2013 19: 27 New
            -6
            The Germans committed crimes, many were punished for this (the smallest cases of looting were revealed in the camps such as he took a chicken from the local population, for this they gave real terms and that’s right) the crimes themselves were condemned by the entire international community. If you act in the same way as a criminal does, then you yourself become a criminal. This is an axiom.
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 April 29 2013 19: 58 New
              +1
              Чего? Кем и как это немцы наказывались на оккупированных территориях СССР? Если только партизанами. Или потом, после войны, да только миллионам людей от этого было не легче. По поводу "если вы поступаете так же как поступает преступник, то сами становитесь преступником." Мы так не поступали, достаточно сравнить потери гражданского населения Германии и СССР, хотя, на войне, как на войне.
            2. воронов
              воронов April 29 2013 22: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: Nayhas
              The Germans committed crimes, for which many were punished

              Quite right, only they were investigators, judges, prosecutors and even lawyers, RUSSIANS (I include other nationalities of the USSR to them) !!! laughing
        2. Natalia
          Natalia April 29 2013 11: 30 New
          +5
          Quote: Nayhas
          call looting at least somehow, the essence will not change

          No dear, trophies are trophies, and just your fascists looted. And REMEMBER the Soviet soldier didn’t rape anyone when, your fascists did this.
          Who burned civilians in the sheds, set up death camps, raped our women, who generally started World War II and who didn’t loot, but simply burned villages one after the other - in your opinion, probably angels ... yes? fool

          P.S. А на счет изучения истории, так я тебе советую лучше журнал "Мурзилку" по изучать...всё по лучше чем западная агитпропаганда. Ну и самое последние, переведите тумблер своего мозга из положения "ВЫКЛ." в положение "ВКЛ." вдруг поможет....
        3. Simon
          Simon April 29 2013 22: 11 New
          +2
          You, my friend, and that the Nazis were honest, did not rob anyone? Until now, the Amber Room cannot be, and how many treasures were taken out of the Union during the war?
      2. redwar6
        redwar6 April 29 2013 13: 42 New
        +3
        According to the above mentioned person, we can say that we reached looting in Berlin too. Ugh, you wouldn’t see people like him.
    3. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt April 29 2013 09: 33 New
      +7
      Сколько гневных проклятий и оскорбленных чувств. Можно сколько угодно закрывать глаза на мародерство и насилие, вот только живых свидетелей того ещё много, попробуйте с ними поспорить, на пример с Gabriele Köpp которая об этом написала книгу "Warum war ich bloß ein Mädchen? Das Trauma einer Flucht 1945". Сами ветераны насилие прикрывают фразой "Да они сами под нас ложились", а мародёрство "Это же трофеи". По воспоминаниям самих фронтовиков и пострадавших (особенно насилию подвергались русские девушки угнанные в Германию) особо зверствовали тыловики, те самые тыловые крысы, что всю войну просидели в обозах, на складах и в других загашниках, а потом после войны очень любили рассказывать детишкам про войну. Тем же кто с боями прорывался к рейхстагу просто некогда было этим заниматься, да и не потащишь на себе шмотьё в бой. После войны тысячи тыловиков обвешанных наградами до пупа составили основную силу советского агатпропа гневно реагируя на любое упоминание о насилии и мародерстве.


      I hope when you say it out loud, and not write on the website, there will be a person who will put you a good blanche for this matter.
      I have not yet met such scribbles, fortunately for them.

      The rat here is YOU. And with those soldiers who moved the convoys, drivers, support services, I WILL NOT even put you in comparison.
    4. washi
      washi April 29 2013 12: 52 New
      +3
      I wrote one book. I agree well. Are there other books on this subject?
      Read Dyukov_Za_chto_srazhalis_sovetskie_lyudi, Solonin_M._Net_Blaga_Na_Voyine, Vladimirov_Yu._Naliniifronta._V_Nemeckom_Plenu_Zapiski.
      By the way, an excerpt from her book: I hear how one of the Russians wants to take the girl away: her mother repeatedly repeats that she is only 9 years old. Russian does not believe, he says that German soldiers did the same, even worse. And other Red Army soldiers later told us that the Germans killed their parents, brothers, sisters, entire families and so on. I can’t believe it, I don’t believe it. I think of my father and Uncle Reinhold, who certainly could not have done anything like that. I think that Russian soldiers want to justify with such accusations what they allow themselves with us ...
      Where are our media outlets? Where are the cadets of the Cherepovets Military Institute? Let each European site contain photographs and evidence of their cultural treatment of our people.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 29 2013 19: 42 New
        -3
        You perfectly understand that it is NOT possible to respond to atrocities with the same coin. If you start acting like a murderer and scum, then you yourself become like that.
        1. воронов
          воронов April 29 2013 22: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: Nayhas
          You perfectly understand that it is NOT possible to respond to atrocities with the same coin.

          Советую вам на эту тему поговорить с ветеранами ВОВ,только не с липовыми,коих много,а с теми, которые были на передке,если конечно кого ещё отыщете в живых,или с "Афганцами",или с теми которые воевали в Чечне,только опять же с теми, которые реально принимали участие в боевых действиях.После бесед с ними,наверняка станете просветлённым.
        2. stroporez
          stroporez April 30 2013 13: 55 New
          0
          I don’t understand why you are being minus
    5. RussianRu
      RussianRu April 29 2013 13: 57 New
      +2
      Yes, at least some books can be written or read. Violence and looting were on both sides, these are the costs of the war, there is no getting away from this. Only when they write such books, for some reason they don’t write about the Nazi authorities in the USSR. You can argue a lot who is more humane. There is only one fact that Western scribes cannot justify or refute. The USSR did not build concentration camps, the USSR did not bring prisoners from all over Europe, did not arrange any experiments on children, on the elderly. They did not divide people into purebreds and second-rate ones.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 29 2013 19: 38 New
        -6
        The crimes of the Germans in the occupied territories were condemned by the whole world, for this they planted, hanged and shot. Many books have been written about the atrocities of the Nazis and no one in the world is trying to justify these crimes. I will say more, and there were scumbags in the allied armies, but this was stopped at the root, because any officer understands that nothing decomposes the army like looting and violence, the army turns into rabble.
        Quote: Russian
        The USSR did not build concentration camps, the USSR did not bring prisoners from all over Europe

        After the liberation of Poland and the occupation of Germany, part of the German concentration camps entered the Gulag system, they contained German prisoners and people to be filtered.
        1. Denis
          Denis April 29 2013 20: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Nayhas
          Crimes of the Germans
          And others like them
          Do not forget the different legionnaires, Bendera and all sorts of others
          Who is more chaos is not clear
          And not everyone got what they deserved
        2. lyuboyan
          lyuboyan April 29 2013 23: 49 New
          0
          Quote: Nayhas
          After the liberation of Poland and the occupation of Germany, part of the German concentration camps entered the Gulag system

          This is not necessary. They already spoke very clearly about the Gulag and citizen Solzhenitsyn.
        3. kush62
          kush62 2 May 2013 14: 31 New
          0
          After the liberation of Poland and the occupation of Germany, part of the German concentration camps entered the Gulag system, they contained German prisoners and people to be filtered.

          And many were burned in crematoria or strangled in gas chambers? And didn’t your honest sources accompany the train to the USSR with gold crowns torn from harmless SS men, human hair, etc.
      2. lyuboyan
        lyuboyan April 29 2013 23: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Russian
        Violence and looting were on both sides, these are the costs of war

        Although, in general, you are right. Nevertheless, with this phrase you are, as it were. put on one board the Nazis and Soviet soldiers. You can not do it this way. The Russian spirit protests against such a comparison.
    6. lyuboyan
      lyuboyan April 29 2013 23: 35 New
      +1
      Но это же неправда. Или полуправда. Которая гораздо хуже,чем полная ложь. Моя тётя была угнана в Германию и многие её подруги односельчанки. Но ни одна не была " "подвергнута насилию". Вы,извините, соврамши.
      And your half-truth is that you confuse trophies with looting. These are different things. And the lie is that isolated cases are called by you a system. And your lie is not harmless, far from it.
  29. 46bob46
    46bob46 April 29 2013 08: 46 New
    13
    With Russia, too, everything is not so happy. May 9 we will celebrate the day of the greatest Victory in history
    of humanity
    , won by the 15 republics of the Soviet Union. I would very much like to see representatives of their armed forces and veterans who have survived these days at the parade in Moscow. It would be nice to recognize that the Kazakhs, Azerbaijanis, Moldovans and many others remember and are proud of our common victory.
  30. nemec55
    nemec55 April 29 2013 08: 47 New
    +6
    I don’t have all my relatives living in Germany, so I tell them openly, they’ll piss ourselves off.
    1. Igarr
      Igarr April 29 2013 12: 41 New
      +6
      Hi Vladimir
      Yes, it's not about your relatives here. Why are you scaring your own blood?
      And it was also said about age-old Germans - adequate people all understand everything.
      Friends came from West Germany (for clarification). From Cologne.
      So the head of the family looks at the T-34 tank in the center of Orel ... I don’t know what he thinks to himself there, but his eyes are dreary.
      His boy asks - why is the tank standing here. Parents tell him - German troops fought here. But the Russians won, so they put the tank.
      So Paul (boys) had square eyes - why did the Germans come to fight here?
      The youngest girl is in tears - war is not zer gut ...
      .....
      And ... well, how do they ... at school they start investing in brains ....? Zombie?
      .
      There used to be so many editions - White Books, Blue Books, albums, almanacs.
      The films were - HUMAN.
      And now? Even this last one is the Fighters.
      Just made it - it was done in a hurry. This miserable airborne number 13 - well, everyone flew on it. Raped airplane, in short. Zampolites are average shitty people. But - Specialists - the best friends of pilots. And the mechanics.
      I completely forgot how.
      They spit on themselves completely. With iPhones with these.
      1. vlbelugin
        vlbelugin April 29 2013 20: 06 New
        +1
        Но уже есть прогресс. Особист положительный герой. С фильма "В августе 44" такого не было.
        1. Denis
          Denis April 29 2013 20: 25 New
          0
          Quote: vlbelugin
          Specialist positive hero
          This, about the bad ones, is also a stamp of demonization. All were, like among
          commanders, political leaders, rear officers ...
          All of the people didn’t take anyone out
  31. Bigriver
    Bigriver April 29 2013 08: 58 New
    +6
    For a number of years a unique propaganda machine operates in the West, the fruits of "creativity" of which is the formation of citizens of a "united" Europe opinion on the barbarism of Soviet troops in Germany in the last months of the war ...

    Строго говоря, образу "варварских азиатских орд" несколько десятилетий.
    The trouble with Europe is that they consider themselves always and in everything right. This is a concept: we are gentlemen, and all the other servants that we have conquered. They failed to conquer Russia. That's why they are furious.
    We cannot achieve love and understanding of the Euro-Atlantic conglomeration by any efforts. And with this we will live. And we will survive all.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 29 2013 09: 19 New
      +9
      Quote: BigRiver
      For a number of years, a unique propaganda machine has been operating in the West,

      This propaganda machine has not stopped working for at least a thousand years. Its owners constantly rake Russian stars at every attempt to have something for themselves from Russia without its consent. And it is absolutely useless for them to prove something or justify themselves somehow. Russophobia in Europeans is already laid down at the genetic level. The truth is, understanding that it is very fraught to offend Russians, they only exist in short-term memory and exacerbations of historical amnesia occur regularly every few tens of years. Well, nothing, it will be necessary, we recall.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver April 29 2013 09: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: lewerlin53rus

        This propaganda machine has not stopped working for at least a thousand years

        Here is the context of the 2nd World War.
        Well, in general, it does not pull for a thousand years. The beginnings of the most propaganda machine in the West appeared only a couple of centuries ago. That is, when they appeared, at the state level, instruments of influence on the mass consciousness.
      2. Genur
        Genur April 29 2013 10: 40 New
        +2
        Even Honore de Balzac wrote in “Lost Illusions”: “There are two stories: a false official story ... and a secret story where the real causes of events are visible.”
        ...из "Удар Русских Богов"
    2. old rocket man
      old rocket man April 29 2013 10: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: BigRiver
      Строго говоря, образу "варварских азиатских орд" несколько десятилетий.


      Strictly speaking, this image is several centuries old.
      Начал его формировать Ватикан,а в конце 17 века активно поддержала Англия,и так по сию пору,надеюсь скоро ,вместе с концом "Европы",придет конец и этой кампании.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver April 29 2013 10: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: old rocket

        Began to shape it Vatican City, and at the end of the 17th century actively supported England ...

        Ватикан, напротив, подпитывал доктрину "Москва - третий Рим" since the middle of the XNUMXth century.
        Keyword - OTTOMANS am Russia was seen as a means of containing Turkish expansion towards Europe.
        А вот когда османов "сплющили", вот тогда и началась открытая и системная антирусская пропаганда.
        До ее появления, была только фобия западных элит. Страха перед "восточным вараваром", на низовом уровне не было.
        And Europe, in general, until the XNUMXth century was very different and far from uniform. They were constantly biting and fighting with each other.
        1. ars_pro
          ars_pro April 29 2013 15: 29 New
          +2
          I confirm that Europe is not united and they are ready to gnaw each other, are there really no one to give them information to warm up their interest in each other, then you look and it will not be up to us
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 5 May 2013 10: 27 New
        0
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        The Vatican began to form it, and at the end of 17

        Probably it all started with Attila's campaigns.
  32. treskoed
    treskoed April 29 2013 09: 00 New
    +4
    Обида за наших ветеранов, чувство горечи за правителей наших, досады за образование внуков... Слабое утешение, что нас боятся "друзья". Пусть лучше боятся, чем сочувствуют!
  33. albert
    albert April 29 2013 09: 05 New
    +7
    In vain our grandfathers showed mercy to fascist German creatures. There was no point in sparing them, we won’t even get a good word from them. I am impressed that this whole campaign to denigrate Soviet soldiers is a prelude to something more. to the war with us and a new war for our annihilation. Read the articles on Inosmi, the Russians are to blame for everything, we are evil bloodthirsty and aggressive barbarians for them and they are heavenly angels. I will only say one thing in this case if the western degenerates climb on us again personally, none of them will receive mercy from me.
    1. virm
      virm April 29 2013 09: 53 New
      10
      It should be noted that not only Germans were in the Nazi army. All of Europe went to rob our land, to kill and burn, as during the Napoleonic invasion. French, Spaniards, Portuguese, Italians, Dutch, Belgians, Danes, Swedes. The French, on the eastern front, died more than in their Resistance movement. Resistance movement participants - respect. But after all, most of the French either silently opened the rolls, or rushed to rob our land.
      Еду на машине с товарищем по м-8. В районе Переяславля. Взяли подвезти женщину с ребенком 6-7 лет. Начало сентября. Участок Золотого кольца. Красивые городки и деревни. Вдоль дороги чего только не продают: рыба, грибы, пушнину, мед, лук. Постоянно снуют автобусы с иностранцами. Мы - трое взрослых - обсуждаем это. Мол, что думают иностранцы видя все это. Голос малыша с заднего сиденья. Два слова - "Можно грабить". )))

      Then, in the 45th, all of these civilized elves they deserved to be treated the same way they did with the Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians. But why get your hands dirty on this substance. So even better. But now we can observe the decay and decomposition of these nonhumans in real time. Delivers!
      1. kush62
        kush62 2 May 2013 14: 48 New
        +1
        And in civil? How many of their vultures flew? And the same French, Spaniards, Italians, English, Czechs, Amers and many others. How they want us to have a tear! They will never be friends to us. Partners, if they are profitable.
    2. Natalia
      Natalia April 29 2013 16: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: albert
      In vain our grandfathers showed mercy to fascist German creatures.

      It is mercy to the unworthy that makes Russia - Russia. Due to the fact that Russia initially carries within it positive energy (creation, mercy, relative tolerance for enemies), it will exist for many many centuries.
      Hatred of anyone, of anything, carries the seeds of his own destruction ... and having achieved this goal, an elevated empire will fall sooner or later.


      Quote: albert
      Read the articles on Inosmi, the Russians are to blame for everything, we are there for them evil bloodthirsty and aggressive barbarians and they are heavenly angels.

      just raging means in the right direction moved, this is what annoys them.
  34. rennim
    rennim April 29 2013 09: 11 New
    +5
    Even if such persecution began ... and even from the side of defeated Germany, then our country is becoming increasingly weak. Nobody is afraid of us anymore. Even Tajikistan began to open its mouth in spite of complete liberalism towards immigrants from there. When Russia will again become strong and powerful. It’s a pity, but apparently not soon ... But as I would like !!!
    1. botur
      botur April 29 2013 10: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: rennim
      ... and even from the side of defeated Germany, it means that our country is becoming increasingly weak.

      On the contrary, the more they watch, the more stink.
  35. Black
    Black April 29 2013 09: 13 New
    +7
    Советский солдат, ступивший на неметчину не мог на 100% быть белым и пушистым. Если захотят "поскрести" - найдут негатива. И пусть себе. Что мы ждем- разве Европа начнет говорить о нас позитивно? Нет, конечно.
    Let them shout, if only the caravan would not stop. It is necessary to change the country, to make it strong, prosperous, to grow, to become higher. Pugs will bark and yes and x with them.
    1. virm
      virm April 29 2013 09: 57 New
      +3
      Yes, everything was right. Only a little. You must answer ten times for the death of your relative.
  36. kind
    kind April 29 2013 09: 19 New
    24
    Recall and bow. Everlasting memory!
  37. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt April 29 2013 09: 25 New
    +4
    These European yodas, moral and physical, tread on the holiest !!
    HATE !!!!!!!!!
  38. Belogor
    Belogor April 29 2013 09: 27 New
    +6
    "На этом фоне заводится уже знакомая волынка о несоблюдении прав человека, о военных преступлениях и даже о геноциде немецкого народа, что подаётся на европейский (да и на российский тоже) стол под острым соусом из необходимости найти тех, кто должен ответить за «преступления» советских солдат в Германии образца 1945 года."

    So for any propaganda there should be its own propaganda (counter-propaganda) where it is necessary to convey the truth, because not only you need to buy all sorts of production facilities, but also their media. After all, there are successful projects like RT. All this will pay off handsomely, because human relations also affect business.
  39. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 April 29 2013 09: 32 New
    +5
    Обидно и горько слышать подобное сегодня, не скрою. Но время всё расставит по своим местам, и эта "геббелсовская гей пропаганда" исчезнет как дым, останется только память о Советском солдате-освободителе. А что касается рифмоплёта Солженицына и его мерзких опусов, пусть это останется на его совести, он себя давно осудил, пусть теперь ворочается в гробу.
    GLORY TO THE WINNING SOLDIER, GLORY TO THE REMAINING SOLDIER, ETERNAL MEMORY TO ALL WARRIORS LIFE HIS LIVING HIS POSITION ON THE ALTAR OF THE VICTORY.
    1. wax
      wax April 29 2013 14: 56 New
      +3
      А как Солженицын облажался с Шолоховым. Еврей не мог промолчать, т.к. считал что русский, тем более молодой, не мог написать "Тихий Дон", до которого Солженицину, как до неба. Но нашлись рукописи. Не наш человек - Солженицын.
  40. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 April 29 2013 09: 33 New
    17
    I am 68 years old ! The opinion and foundations of my age of people are probably not unknown.
    But the opinion of young people is important to know! Are there many young people on the forum?

    In the info about the nickname it would be nice to see the person’s age behind the nickname!

    What is my attitude?
    And what can it be if my father returned from war without the right lung? If until 1953 he went into a cough all night and in the mornings a basin with the blood that he coughed was taken out.
    And other war invalids have seen enough. They did not live long.
    Everlasting memory!
    We have enough worthy young guys to wallow to any aggressor!
    One must calmly relate to these cries from their filthy mouths.
    Let them whine! Whine means afraid! Dirty mongrel not when they become noble. Such is their destiny!
    1. воронов
      воронов April 29 2013 22: 38 New
      -2
      Quote: nick 1 and 2
      In the info about the nickname it would be nice to see the person’s age behind the nickname!

      Maybe you can also provide full personal data here, you didn’t serve as a case in a special department, or as a military prosecutor’s office laughing
  41. vlbelugin
    vlbelugin April 29 2013 09: 37 New
    20
    I DO NOT BELIEVE Solzhenitsyn. I believe my grandfather. Near Budapest, in front of the entire regiment, a sergeant was shot, who went through the whole war. He raped a 16 year old girl. No one was interested in whether rape or not. There was a complaint. Two orders of Glory and other awards, epaulettes were ripped off before the formation, the verdict and execution were read.
    I am not saying that all of us are angels. No. But talking about the widespread negative behavior of our soldiers is an abomination. But we must not forget that there is a war, an information war. The war for the souls and minds of people. And we can’t lose. If we lose this war, we will betray all those who gave their lives for us.
    On May 9, I put on my uniform and lead my granddaughters to entrust. This is a tradition.
    Glory to our warriors winners. Glory to our Soviet Army. Eternal memory to the fallen. Health alive.
    1. wax
      wax April 29 2013 15: 27 New
      +3
      http://www.perspektivy.info/history/krasnaja_armija_v_jevrope_v_1945_godu_staryj
      e_i_novyje_stereotipy_vosprijatija_v_rossii_i_na_zapade_2012-05-04.htm

      Here is the order of Stalin.
  42. valokordin
    valokordin April 29 2013 09: 52 New
    +8
    Well, the news about the Solzhenitsyn laureate, for this poem of him, not only in Vermont, on the Novaya Zemlya archipelago forever. What abomination he is, how he hated Soviet power, the Red Army and Russian soldiers.
    DEATH TO GERMAN OCCUPIERS! GLORY TO THE SOVIET ARMY AND ITS COMMANDING COMMANDER! Let the memory of anti-Soviet Nobel laureates and real literary white-bandits decay: Svinadze, an adviser to the president, Pivovarov, a historical pervert and the rest of the shit.
    1. treskoed
      treskoed April 29 2013 10: 14 New
      +4
      А пока ученики в школе изучают Солженицына..."Повесть о настоящем человеке" уже не учат...
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk April 29 2013 10: 28 New
      -12
      Well, start with the fact that Solzhenitsyn himself passed the Second World War. He, along with thousands of innocent people, was thrown into camps.
      1. воронов
        воронов April 29 2013 22: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Krasnoyarets
        Solzhenitsyn himself passed the Second World War.

        "Пройти" ещё не значит воевать
      2. Flooding
        Flooding April 30 2013 09: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: Krasnoyarets
        Well, start with the fact that Solzhenitsyn himself passed the Second World War. He, along with thousands of innocent people, was thrown into camps.

        Yesterday I was curious about this topic. I didn’t see a combat biography.
        But that is not the point. Not everyone was able to fight at the forefront, and that’s understandable.
        Но после прочтения строчек из упомянутой "поэмы" никак не поворачивается язык назвать Солженицына не только фронтовиком, но и русским человеком.
        Typical Westerner.
  43. KBPC50
    KBPC50 April 29 2013 09: 55 New
    +7
    Демон русский -это очень удобный способ оправдания зверств фашистов у нас в СССР и по всей Европе. Видимо хотят у Европейских народов вытравить память о русском солдате, который спас миллионы жизней во многих странах. Я был в Германии в 1991 году и в ФРГ и в ГДР, и ни один немец не сказал мне ничего того , что пишет Солженицин. Видимо забыли как самих немцев морили в немецких концлагерях,поляков, словаков и массу других народов, не говоря о евреях. Интересно кто в Европе смотрел фильм "Старое ружье" с Филиппом Нуаре? Неужели эти подонки от пропаганды надеются, что люди забудут, в каких мучениях умирали наши солдаты уже после войны от ран, туберкулеза костей после ранения осколками, как женщины в СССР своих мужей, которым было в конце войны 20-30 лет возили в в больницы на санках, колясках, сколько их умерло не дожив и до 60 лет, потому,что фашисты добавляли в металл снарядов, гранат мышьяк. В моем поселке после освобождения в 1943 году осталась одна-единственная печка. Уничтожили пол страны. А теперь стонут - русские были плохими. История не простит западную пропаганду за самую наглую и беспардонную ложь.
  44. ded10041948
    ded10041948 April 29 2013 10: 08 New
    +7
    Well, they are all white and fluffy there. They brought culture to us (women — underwear and stockings, in gratitude for the kindness; children — marmalade and margarine as payment for footmen’s services), and here the Russian savage took a dumb and ill-educated man and crashed into a brazen face. Not only that, came to visit!
    Just do not confuse the Warrior-Liberator with a warehouse (rear) rat. Soldier trophies (regardless of rank) are weapons. With two suitcases of junk you will not run to the attack! And for more than attributing your behavior to the Soviet Army, are you already short of brains?
    Eternal memory and glory to our fathers and grandfathers for what we are!
  45. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 29 2013 10: 10 New
    +4
    Lord, what is it that just started now? It’s their own fault, how much Mr. Poured himself on his head apparently experiencing sadomasochic pleasure, no matter how regrettable but the positive image of the Soviet soldier, as a brave, intelligent and perfectly armed soldier who loves and is proud of his country, showed only Viktor Suvorov and all !!! Disgrace, everything else is tracing paper with a penal battalion and weary of the sun and other shit from the times of the 90-2000s.
    1. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian April 30 2013 18: 22 New
      0
      I want to note who didn’t want, he didn’t pour it, and even on himself.

      Yes, and people should not be blamed, I think so - it was a temporary defeat of our counterintelligence and the Army intelligence services.

      Просто с приходом перестройки, пока мы все обсуждали НЛО, Кашпировского и чудовище Лох-несса, дышали "свободой" и "окупонивались", продвинутые спец организации европейских кланов и древних орденов потихонечку купили всё ТВ, газеты и телеграф (за копейки) - а это оружее массового поражения.

      А подорвав основы Советского образования, подменив его наркотиками, малолетней преступностью и безпризорностью, было простым делом техники "убедить" что так и нужно.

      And the feat of our people in the Great Patriotic War is another foundation, having broken that, they could destroy us, as Hitler planned with the Nazis
  46. UFO
    UFO April 29 2013 10: 14 New
    -3
    Знаю, что пойду "против шерсти", но если б у нас в каждом городе стояли монументы китайским( любым другим ) воинам - освободителям, победившим мою страну, мне бы тоже это не понравилось. Уже выросли несколько поколений немцев, которым эти памятники напоминают об их "ущербности", кому это понравится? recourse
    1. treskoed
      treskoed April 29 2013 10: 17 New
      +4
      And let them look and draw conclusions for the future ....
      1. UFO
        UFO April 29 2013 10: 23 New
        -3
        You can’t be guilty all your life! Your ancestors are to blame, your children are to blame, etc. Put yourself in their place?
        1. wax
          wax April 29 2013 15: 32 New
          +3
          And who blames the children? Just do not distort the story. And no one bothers to be proud of new achievements.
    2. Armata
      Armata April 29 2013 10: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: UFO
      Уже выросли несколько поколений немцев, которым эти памятники напоминают об их "ущербности", кому это понравится?
      Damage in what? Who infringed on these generations? None of the REASONABLE Russians remind them of fascism and say that they are flawed. And the monuments to them are a reminder of what will happen if they want to repeat what their ancestors wanted to do and what they achieved.
    3. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 29 2013 10: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: UFO
      but if in each city we had monuments to Chinese (any other) warriors - liberators who defeated my country, I would not like that either.

      USSR why attack the Chinese? And imagine the Americans with nuclear bombs would drop the USSR in the 50-60s, although we were not going to bomb them first.
      they all, FIRST, climb on us, and then turn it around so that WE are supposedly to blame for attacking or wanting to attack us. in Japan, some people think that the Soviets dropped atomic bombs on them, not the Americans. Yesterday they showed these Miss Russia, she’s about 20 years old, her mother is Japanese, her father is Rksian, and she didn’t even hear about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, if you ask how much it will be 2 + 2, she will immediately answer, she will think for a few seconds! belay
      1. UFO
        UFO April 29 2013 11: 10 New
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        [quote = Mechanic]

        [quote = djon3volta]
        Да не надо меня убеждать, у самого оба деда погибли. Просто Германия до сих пор оккупированная страна, им постоянно "тычат" фашизмом, напоминают "кто победитель" и т. п., а люди хотят гордиться СВОЕЙ РОДИНОЙ, ну и т.д. repeat
    4. Navy7981
      Navy7981 April 29 2013 14: 30 New
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      And who called them to us?
    5. lyuboyan
      lyuboyan April 30 2013 00: 11 New
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      This is impossible with us. Nobody ever set us free. This Russia has always liberated everyone. And, apparently, in vain did it.
    6. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian April 30 2013 18: 33 New
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      You correctly noted, but the monuments are to the Soviet Soldiers-Liberators. Which saved the German people from their own psychopath and a geek who not only PRO-ka2l his rich colonies to the British, Romanian oil, killed his wife, destroyed defenseless and civilians, but reiterated in practice that the Germans should not listen to various German chauvinists and grab the knives on their orders - there are not any warriors from them.

      So real Germans, patriots understand this, and if someone tries to brainwash them again, well, well - not many Germans remain in Germany, and I don’t have a problem with Algerians, Syrians and Turks - they bargain better , but it’s a pity the German medetsin. They, as doctors, are very smart and talented.
  47. Bezarius
    Bezarius April 29 2013 10: 21 New
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    And naturally they think badly about us, because they are worse than us, they would be better, they would not be up to us. We, the Russian people, should score and not pay attention to such miserable stuffing.
  48. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 29 2013 10: 23 New
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    The article is idle talk, and rape in Germany in 1945 was suddenly committed by people of Asian appearance.
    1. Standard Oil
      Standard Oil April 29 2013 10: 28 New
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      Rape in Russia was committed by persons of Aryan appearance. Why would it?
  49. Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast April 29 2013 10: 24 New
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    "На Западе развёрнута кампания по демонизации советского солдата – победителя"


    Can specific examples of recent years? And then I did not understand what it was about.
    1. Manager
      Manager April 29 2013 10: 46 New
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      Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
      Can specific examples of recent years? And then I did not understand what it was about.


      It is deployed in the West, and is in Russia, so that you would understand.
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast April 29 2013 11: 28 New
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        It’s not clearer. The author beats his heel in the chest, another 200 kaments in the same vein, and why all the fuss is unclear.
        Or is it a regular topic before Victory Day?
        1. Armata
          Armata April 29 2013 11: 56 New
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          It’s not clearer.
          For the gifted. So it became clearer?
          1. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast April 29 2013 12: 47 New
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            Выходка вандалов. Такое может случится и в бывшем СССР. Как-то не тянет аж на целую "кампанию, развёрнутую на Западе" и т.д.
            My question is primarily to the author of the article, if that. Are you an author?
            1. Armata
              Armata April 29 2013 19: 07 New
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              The trick of vandals.
              Yah? That is, the parade of unconventionally offended is the vandals? Not tolerant of geyrop. They will refuse you.
              1. Tourist Breakfast
                Tourist Breakfast April 30 2013 15: 13 New
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                Yah? That is, the parade of unconventionally offended is the vandals? Not tolerant of geyrop. They will refuse you.


                Ну "кампанией по демонизации" это дело тоже не назовёшь. А вандалом можно быть в независимости от сексуальной ориентации.
            2. Flooding
              Flooding April 30 2013 09: 36 New
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              Joachim Hoffmann. Stalins Vernichtungskrieg 1941-1945.
              FA Verlagsbuchhandlung GmbH, München, 1998.
              Moscow, 2006.

              There is an abomination in Russia that prints such books.
        2. Manager
          Manager April 29 2013 12: 01 New
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          It’s not clearer.

          You simply have no desire.
          1. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast April 29 2013 12: 50 New
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            You just do not have desire

            I just have a desire to understand the subject of discussion. Most commentators seem to have the only desire - to throw out hatred towards someone. And there is a reason or not - the tenth matter.
            1. Manager
              Manager April 29 2013 13: 41 New
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              And there is a reason or not - the tenth matter.


              Who would say that. This is just the policy of Israel.
              1. Tourist Breakfast
                Tourist Breakfast April 29 2013 13: 54 New
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                Who would say that. This is just the policy of Israel.


                The transfer of arrows went to Israel. How predictable.
                Статья называется "На Западе развёрнута кампания по демонизации советского солдата – победителя".
                При этом в самой статье никакой конкретики. Какие-то анонимные "пропагандисты" и безымянные "СМИ"
                I asked a perfectly reasonable question - what exactly is it about. I can’t wait for answers, it seems.
                1. cth; fyn
                  cth; fyn April 29 2013 14: 35 New
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                  Какие-то анонимные "пропагандисты" и безымянные "СМИ"

                  And with this, it was necessary to start, by the way, yes, and what kind of organizations are doing this, in the article there is only a link somewhere in Germany and a mustache request
                  1. Tourist Breakfast
                    Tourist Breakfast April 29 2013 15: 14 New
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                    This was where we had to start

                    Obviously, I unsuccessfully expressed my thought at first. Mea culpa.

                    by the way, yes, and what kind of organizations are doing this, in the article there is only a link somewhere in Germany and a mustache


                    И Германия - это ещё не весь "Запад", особенно в части подхода к истории ВМВ.
                    1. partisanche
                      partisanche April 29 2013 17: 24 New
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                      Listen, a tourist who doesn’t understand it in Russian, everything is written there, you don’t understand, come and explain to us on your fingers.
                      1. cth; fyn
                        cth; fyn April 29 2013 20: 48 New
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                        Listen, a tourist who doesn’t understand it in Russian, everything is written there, you don’t understand, come and explain to us on your fingers.

                        I don’t understand your aggression, the person asked a logical question: who actually launched the anti-Russian company?
                        He wants to find out which media were involved, which bloggers, which journalists in particular, and you are watering his guano, it’s not in Russian, because force is in the truth.
                      2. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast April 29 2013 22: 37 New
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                        Thank you, but there seems to be no answer. It looks like another article, the purpose of which is to give reason for self-affirmation to high school students.
                        Guys, nothing can be built on one bare hatred of the West. We need to do something positive ourselves, to create something. This applies to both the army and patriotic education. Yes, and the country as a whole.
                      3. lyuboyan
                        lyuboyan April 30 2013 00: 21 New
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                        It looks like another article, the purpose of which is to give reason for self-assertion to high school students

                        This is a very high and noble goal. Even if she is the only one. Children should know that they live in Great Russia. They should be proud of their country, their history, their past, their ancestors. Then they will not grow notorious and flawed. Then they will live so that our country remains Great and that their children are proud of it. And so on to infinity.
                      4. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast April 30 2013 10: 49 New
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                        This is a very high and noble goal. Even if she is the only one. Children should know that they live in Great Russia. They should be proud of their country, their history, their past, their ancestors. Then they will not grow notorious and flawed. Then they will live so that our country remains Great and that their children are proud of it. And so on to infinity.


                        I agree one hundred percent. But why should pride in Great Russia necessarily be combined with negativity towards other countries and peoples? See how much hatred in kamenty.
                  2. partisanche
                    partisanche April 29 2013 23: 35 New
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                    Bazarov there is no power in truth, so the truth is behind us And he spreads demagogy who said who wrote few articles or books and skok films filmed let him read contemporary German writers if he really wants to figure it out or if grandfather fought for him to do it with me he was running partisan in 66 he died I do not need to understand, and so I see how the descendants of Goebbels continue his work.
                  3. Tourist Breakfast
                    Tourist Breakfast April 30 2013 11: 07 New
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                    Можно подумать, вы читали немецких писателей. Запад он большой, и наличие нескольких леваков-маргиналов ещё не означает "кампанию по демонизации".
                    Для примера, это если как я начну утверждать, ссылаясь на Ирвинга, что "на Западе развёрнута кампания по отрицанию Холокоста".
                    By the way, didn’t you think that these horror stories also have a positive educational effect, because they will forever discourage the new generation of burghers from thinking about the fourth Reich, telling how such adventures end?
            2. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm April 30 2013 13: 19 New
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              И Германия - это ещё не весь "Запад", особенно в части подхода к истории ВМВ.

              In Germany there is no mass Russophobia and hatred. And with the swastikas, some strange citizens flee to Russia and pour mud on Soviet WWII soldiers.
              Recently, people in general have become very frivolous about history.
              1. Tourist Breakfast
                Tourist Breakfast April 30 2013 15: 16 New
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                In Russia, in view of a real crisis of ideology, in general, everything is sad. Some celebrate both Hitler’s birthday and Victory Day.
        3. Ratibor12
          Ratibor12 April 29 2013 16: 04 New
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          Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
          Какие-то анонимные "пропагандисты" и безымянные "СМИ"Я задал вполне резонный вопрос - о чём конкретно речь.


          Беспокойство жестянки понятно - на воре и шапка горит. А на ком и пейсы дымятся. Оно и понятно евреи специализируются в первую очередь на банках и СМИ. И вот кто ж эти "анонимные пропагандисты"? Вопрос, ясен пень, риторический.
          1. Armata
            Armata April 29 2013 19: 09 New
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            Quote: Ratibor12
            It is understandable that Jews specialize primarily in banks and the media
            What about pharmacies and sewing workshops?
            1. Ratibor12
              Ratibor12 April 30 2013 01: 53 New
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              Quote: Mechanic
              Quote: Ratibor12
              It is understandable that Jews specialize primarily in banks and the media
              What about pharmacies and sewing workshops?


              Banks and Media - they are kosher !!!
          2. Denis
            Denis April 29 2013 19: 52 New
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            Jews specialize primarily in banks and the media
            I would not want to talk about them now, but since the conversation has come ...
            There is one more specialty, let everyone, upon reading himself, call it to himself.
            Demonized not only soldiers, it has become very fashionable all валить на И.В.Сталина,то что он делал и чего не делал.Не про это сейчас,есть одна заслуга.Не допустил он таких "профессионалов",как допустили в конце 1-й Мировой
            Let's see one curious document
            1. ULYANOV, Vladimir Ilyich (Lenin);
            2. SULISHVILI, David Sokratovich;
            3.UULYANOVA, Nadezhda Konstantinovna (Krupskaya);
            4. ARMAND, Inessa Fedorovna;
            5. SAFAROV, Georgy Ivanovich;
            6. Safarova - Martoshkina Valentina Sergeevna;
            7. Kharitonov, Moses Motkovich;
            8. KONSTANTINOVICH, Anna Evgenievna;
            9. USIEVICH, Grigory Alexandrovich;
            10. Usievich (KOH), Elena Feliksovna;
            11.RAVVICH, Sarah Naumovna;
            12. Tskhakaya, Mikhail Grigoryevich;
            13. SKOWLY, Abram Anchilovich;
            14. RADOMYSLSKY, Ovsey Gershen Aronovich; (Zinoviev);
            15. RADOMYSLSKAYA, Zlata Evnovna; (with son 5 years old)
            16. Boytsov N. (Radek KB) (Sobelson)
            17. RIVKIN, Zalman Burke Oserovich;
            18. SLYUSAREVA, Nadezhda Mikhailovna;
            19. GOBERMAN, Mikhail Vulfovich;
            20. ABRAMOVICH, May Zelikov;
            21. LINDE, Johann Arnold Johannovich;
            22. DIAMOND, Grigory Yakovlevich; (Sokolnikov);
            23. MIRINGOF, Ilya Davidovich;
            24. MIRINGOF, Maria Efimovna;
            25. ROSENBLUM, David Mordukhovich;
            26. PAYNESON, Semyon Gershovich;
            27. GREBELSKY, Fanya;
            28. POGOVSKAYA, Bunya Hemovna; (with 4's son)
            29. AIZENBUND, Meer Kivov.
            30. Rubakov (Anders).
            31. Egorov (Erich).

            What it is? Payment statement? Recording waiting lists for visiting the synagogue? No - this is a list of passengers of the very Lenin sealed train
            What do we call this profession?
    2. Ratibor12
      Ratibor12 April 29 2013 15: 53 New
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      Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
      I just have a desire to understand the subject of discussion.


      Oh! So this canned food with botulism does not understand the subject? Well, if it were a Jewish cemetery with a painted swastika, these paisas in a tomato would quickly figure out what was happening! yes

      Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
      Most commentators seem to have the only desire - to throw out hatred towards someone.

      Well yes! Well yes! Oh, these goyim! Where to go from them! request
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 29 2013 10: 32 New
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    В Казахстане вообще не понимают, как это в России снимают антисоветские, антироссийские фильмы. Да еще и за госсчет. Расплодили "исторегов", который только пишут о кровавой гэбне и "трупами завалили". Плюс самое ужасное - снос памятников советским войнам в самой России. И т.д. и т.п. Во время международных встреч всегда русские в разговоре с иностранцами на ист.тему начинали говорить, что у нас было одно только головотяпство, что войну победили нечеловеческим количеством жертв и так далее. Всегда встреваю и говорю, что в России мозги промыли солженицыными-суворовами-михалковыми и прочими писаками-режиссеришками. Обижайтесь, не обижайтесь, а реально россияне уже слабо различают, где правда, а где ложь. И оболванивание идет с разных сторон и постоянно.