The fourth Chinese: nuclear, with EMP catapults and railguns on the deck

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The fourth Chinese: nuclear, with EMP catapults and railguns on the deck

Well, the photos are already circulating online; the Americans have spied on them, they've done a lot of spying. And why not, if they can afford it? After all, shouldn't the Pentagon be aware of what's going on in the places they're planning to fight? Quite reasonable, you know.

Recent US satellite images clearly indicate that China is continuing work on a new aircraft carrier, its fourth to be powered by nuclear propulsion. This comes just a week after the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLA Navy) commissioned its first domestically produced aircraft carrier, the Fujian. Meanwhile, there are indications that Beijing is working on at least one conventionally powered carrier, which doesn't preclude other plans to build more modern ships.

“More modern” means, of course, with nuclear reactors.




A close-up of the proposed Type 004 aircraft carrier under construction in Dalian.

Images of the new aircraft carrier, currently simply referred to as the Type 004, show the vessel taking shape at the Dalian shipyard. Currently, the image shows work that appears to be the installation of the reactor containment structure, a key component of the propulsion system.

The design is generally similar to that used on American nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, and everyone agrees that what we're seeing is connected to the installation of a nuclear reactor. The US, of course, is openly hoping that this could be another test ship or perhaps a test module.

But this is unlikely. All images related to the Type 004 project that have appeared in the past show similarities to the US Navy's Ford-class aircraft carrier, as well as the future French next-generation aircraft carrier. And both of these ships are nuclear-powered.


Concept of China's future aircraft carrier

In its latest assessment of China's military power, the Pentagon does not directly mention a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, but notes that "China's next generation of aircraft carriers" will feature "greater endurance," which will "increase the striking power of a potential PLA Navy carrier battle group when deployed to areas beyond China's immediate periphery."

It's clear that only nuclear-powered ships possess the kind of autonomy that would allow them to operate in the Pacific Ocean, a concept the US dislikes. The PLA Navy press service hasn't confirmed that the new aircraft carrier will be nuclear-powered, but there's already ample circumstantial evidence to the contrary.


A model of China's future nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. Judging by the China State Shipbuilding Corporation (CSSC) markings, this may be an official model.

Almost exactly a year ago, evidence emerged proving that China had built a prototype land-based nuclear reactor suitable for use on a large surface warship. The so-called "Dragon Power Project" is being implemented in the mountains near the city of Leshan in Sichuan Province.

The transition to nuclear power for China's fourth aircraft carrier is of great importance.

The nuclear propulsion system will provide the Type 004 with virtually unlimited range. It will also help meet the power requirements of the ship's continually evolving sensors and other systems, which will be discussed below.

A nuclear-powered supercarrier would significantly narrow the technological gap with the US Navy, and China would join France as the third country to operate a nuclear-powered carrier.

Let's be honest: the weight is more political than military. If we're talking about the Pacific Ocean, with its vast expanses, becoming the arena of confrontation, then one Chinese aircraft carrier versus three or four American ones is a mere pittance.

Another question is if everything goes according to Chinese law... And that could become a nightmare for the US and its allies.

Let's look at this:

1. "Liaoning".


The first aircraft carrier was purchased from Ukraine at approximately 70% (in reality, significantly less) completion. In 2005, the ship was delivered to the Dalian shipyard, where it was simultaneously completed and modernized. In 2012, it entered service with the PLA Navy.

Total: 7 years for completion and modernization.

2. "Shandong".


An imprecise copy. Apparently, the Ukrainians sold the technical documentation along with the Varyag, allowing the Chinese to build an almost identical ship, albeit with slightly different dimensions.
Laid down in 2013, launched in 2017, commissioned in 2019.
Total: 6 years to build a ship from scratch.

3. "Fujian".


A significant redesign of Project 002 made the ship longer and wider, increasing its displacement to 85 tons. It features modern equipment, the elimination of the ski-jump, and 105-meter-long electromagnetic catapults.
Laid down in November 2018, launched in 2022, commissioned in November 2025.
Total: 7 years to build from scratch.

Let's take the US Navy aircraft carrier Gerald Ford as an example.


It was laid down in 2009, launched in 2013, and commissioned in 2017.
Total: 8 years.

Let's take into account, of course, that the Ford is a nuclear-powered ship, which is more complex to build, as is obvious. But let's also consider when the first American aircraft carrier was built. The first carrier, the USS Langley, was converted from a collier over the course of two years. CV-1 entered service as the Langley in 1922.


In total, the US has built exactly 70 attack aircraft carriers to date. Yes, Ford's number is 78, but the secret is simple: construction of eight Essex- and Midway-class carriers was halted immediately after the end of World War II.

70 aircraft carriers in 105 years. And that's not even counting escort carriers. So, the Americans have the experience, the technical expertise, the personnel training—they have it all.

And then there's China, which converted its first aircraft carrier from an aircraft-carrying cruiser 13 years ago. And now it's eyeing nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.

You know, there's a lot to think about here, both at the Pentagon and elsewhere. There's nothing surprising about it at all: China is building nuclear submarines—why not build something else?


A satellite image of the Dalian launch vehicle taken on May 17, 2024.

The images show that the module was designed with "trenches" for catapult rails, suggesting the Type 004 will have two waist-mounted catapults in addition to the two bow-mounted catapults. This matches the catapult arrangement on Nimitz- and Ford-class carriers and adds an additional catapult compared to China's third carrier, the Type 003 Fujian, which has a single waist-mounted catapult.

The Type 004 is expected to be a more advanced design in other respects than the Liaoning and Shandong, which have already proven themselves in service. fleet The PLA Navy, as well as the Fujian. It's no surprise that the days of China dragging everything to Xerox are over, and the country is now mastering engineering advances in all sectors, from ships to aircraft.


China's aircraft carrier Fujian during its commissioning ceremony last week.

So, catapults. Electromagnetic ones at that. Catapults offer numerous advantages, especially when it comes to launching aircraft with a higher gross weight, which means more fuel and ammunition. Furthermore, catapults can generally launch a wider range of aircraft types, meaning they can adapt to the specific aircraft that needs to be launched. There's a significant difference between a larger, slower design like the KJ-600, a carrier-based airborne early warning and control aircraft, and much lighter and smaller ones. drones.

In addition to the aforementioned KJ-600, the Type 004 air wing will likely include the J-35 stealth fighter, as well as improved versions of the J-15 multirole fighter, including an electronic warfare variant. Naturally, helicopters and various other aircraft will be deployed to complete the complement. Drones, such as the GJ-11.


A pair of J-35 prototypes

However, interestingly, China, according to some reports, is simultaneously working on the creation of another new aircraft carrier, this time with a conventional engine.

According to unconfirmed reports, in addition to the Type 004 in Dalian, China is ready to begin work on a conventionally powered aircraft carrier at facilities in Jiangnan Province (home to Shanghai). As the saying goes, this is a godsend, as the Fujian was built there. If these reports are accurate, the final product will likely be an improved version of the Type 003.

Given China's vast shipbuilding capacity, it would be logical to develop two different next-generation aircraft carrier designs. The improved Type 003, which some experts have begun calling the Type 003A, will boast the advantages of a proven design and lower cost, while the more ambitious Type 004 will be more expensive and carry higher risks.

The model below depicts the next conventionally powered aircraft carrier, designated CV-19, but the source is unknown, and this information could be either official or unofficial. It is noteworthy, however, that the island superstructure bears a strong resemblance to that seen at the large-scale land-based aircraft carrier test facility in Wuhan.


A model of China's future conventionally powered aircraft carrier, the CV-19.


A mockup of the Type 004A aircraft carrier in Wuhan, featuring a new island that closely resembles the model above.[/ Center]
There's also a view, voiced by certain sources, that China doesn't necessarily need nuclear-powered aircraft carriers to fulfill many of its missions. While a nuclear-powered carrier would be a huge advantage for sustained operations on the high seas around the world, conventionally powered carriers are perfectly adequate for dealing with unforeseen situations closer to home, such as in the Taiwan Strait and even the disputed South China Sea.

Conventionally powered aircraft carriers have the added advantage of being able to be built faster and in greater numbers on a limited budget, though they are more dependent on a stable supply of fuel and other resources, which can be disrupted during a conflict. For its part, even a nuclear-powered carrier still requires a stable supply of other resources, including fuel for its air wing and escort ships.

But this opinion, so to speak, is an attempt to hint to China that their business is rather coastal, with no ambitions for the middle of the Pacific. To what extent are the Chinese aware of their regional significance? Not at all. China has long been a global power, and any efforts to show the country its place in the world are doomed. As time goes on, the Chinese army and navy will become more ambitious, and some believe we'll yet see some kind of Chinese-led strategic military operation.

At the same time, it's worth noting that China is also working on a series of very large amphibious assault ships, dubbed the Type 076, which will be announced in the near future. Each will be equipped with at least one electromagnetic catapult, which is expected to be used primarily for launching drones. However, the ship's size suggests that the Chinese will certainly not stop at drones.

The ongoing construction of an aircraft carrier, which will most likely be nuclear-powered, as well as the possibility of another type of conventionally powered carrier, demonstrate China's high ambitions as a naval power and the resources it is willing to invest in implementing its maritime policy.

Despite the importance of these developments, it's also worth remembering that the PLA Navy's fleet, consisting of three conventionally powered aircraft carriers, is currently significantly inferior to the US Navy's 11 active nuclear-powered carriers. However, the gap is narrowing, and seemingly at an ever-increasing pace. Considering that half of the US Navy's ships are undergoing permanent repairs, the time when these forces may even be equal is not far off.

And it's worth adding that the electromagnetic catapult isn't the only innovation. China's nuclear-powered aircraft carrier could be equipped with a hypersonic railgun for interception. missiles. And not just one.


Japan's world's first hypersonic railgun fires a 20-megajoule charge to destroy missiles.

Overall, it's all logical: a big ship needs a big gun. That's why plans to create a next-generation aircraft carrier with a nuclear power plant, capable of using high-energy laser weapons, are underway. weapon And electromagnetic railguns—this isn't propaganda, but a very real future. This technology was developed in the US, but abandoned after many years of expensive research. However, the Japanese succeeded in implementing it, so why can't they replicate it in China?

After all, they don't cut budgets like that there, and therefore, for the same amount of money spent in the West, they will do much more work in the East.

On state television CCTV, Liang Fan, a military observer and professor at China's National Defense University, said the future aircraft carrier could be equipped with "more advanced defensive weapons such as laser weapons and electromagnetic rail guns."

Yes, of course, the gap between "can be equipped" and "is equipped" can be a vast amount of time and money. However, for a country that 30 years ago produced single-use Kalashnikov assault rifles and is now building a nuclear aircraft carrier (and they'll build it, those stubborn devils!), this doesn't seem out of the ordinary.

According to the South China Morning Post, the electromagnetic railgun uses magnetic force to fire metal projectiles at ultra-high speeds. By creating a powerful magnetic field, the weapon accelerates the projectile along two rails to hypersonic speeds.

The system promises higher muzzle velocity, greater range, and reduced firing noise, although it requires a significant amount of electricity to operate.

But on an aircraft carrier with a pair of nuclear reactors there are no problems with energy!

Liang's comments echo earlier plans outlined by Rear Admiral Ma Weiming, one of China's leading naval scientists and a key figure in the People's Liberation Army's (PLA) electromagnetic technology program.

In a paper published back in 2023, Ma described a nuclear-powered "supership" designed to integrate electromagnetic railguns, coil guns, and laser weapons into a unified power grid.

"This will completely change the combat structure of navies that has existed for more than a century," Ma wrote, suggesting that such a ship would integrate its propulsion system, power generation system, and weapons into a single advanced electrical architecture.

If this project is realized, the new Chinese aircraft carrier will be a breakthrough compared to the Fujian, and not only to it.

The US Navy once placed great hopes on electromagnetic weapons. They spent over $500 million developing a railgun that could fire metal projectiles at speeds exceeding Mach 6.

But work was halted in 2022 after a Congressional Research Service report confirmed that funding had been cut off.

Analysts cited excessive power requirements, rapid destruction of the gun's guides, and logistical difficulties in deploying the weapon at sea as reasons for the program's suspension.

Unlike the US, China's military appears to be preparing to address these challenges with nuclear propulsion and advanced electrical systems. In the future, this list could include artificial intelligence controlling drones and other such delights, including sixth-generation aircraft.

And yes, such a ship could revolutionize the navy and change the approach to naval warfare.

Chinese state media and military experts claim this project is key to China's long-term goal of challenging US naval power in the Indo-Pacific region. A long-shot, but entirely achievable goal.
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  1. -4
    26 November 2025 04: 20
    The Chinese are certainly in a hurry, but in such matters, it's dangerous. The Americans have had a long history with nuclear propulsion systems, and it took years and many ships to perfect them. Simply taking a nuclear propulsion system from a submarine and installing it on a ship is certainly possible, but an aircraft carrier consumes much more energy than a submarine, and the operating modes of the submarine's fuel are completely different. The French burned their fingers in this regard. As a reminder, the Ford has two 700 MW reactors with a displacement of about 100 tons, while China's largest nuclear submarine displaces 9 tons.
    They should have tested the nuclear propulsion system on some experimental vessel, but they'll integrate it straight onto an aircraft carrier... If the nuclear propulsion system malfunctions, they'll end up with a suitcase without a handle. Maybe that's why they're building an aircraft carrier with a steam turbine in parallel.
    1. +19
      26 November 2025 07: 48
      You wouldn't say that. They laid down their first nuclear-powered surface ship, the cruiser Long Beach, in 1957, and their first nuclear-powered submarine a year later. That is, at the time of the nuclear-powered submarine's keel-laying, they had no experience operating a surface ship with an editor.
      1. -7
        26 November 2025 08: 20
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        That is, at the time of laying the foundation of the nuclear submarine, they had no experience in operating the NK with an editor.

        Exactly. The journey from "let's just take them off the submarine" to "hmm... we need a powerful reactor" was a difficult one. After Enter, a series of four submarines with Kitty Hawk-type steam turbines followed, and that wasn't without reason.
        It was simpler for us, and we needed less power, and we had a fair amount of experience with ship-based nuclear power plants.
        1. +7
          26 November 2025 08: 40
          Quote: Puncher
          So after Enter there was a series of four AVs with vocational schools like Kitty Hawk, and this was not without reason.

          The lead ship Kitty Hawk was laid down two years before Enterprise...
          Quote: Puncher
          The Chinese are certainly in a hurry.

          They have no choice. They need to hurry, otherwise...
          Quote: Puncher
          The Americans had a long way to go with the nuclear power plant and it took years to perfect it.

          From Enterprise to Nimitz, ten years. But the Americans had it easier because there was no threat looming from the seas.
          1. -7
            26 November 2025 08: 48
            Quote: Doccor18
            The lead ship Kitty Hawk was laid down two years before the Enterprise...

            Yes, there was a question about America and Kennedy.
            Quote: Doccor18
            there was no threat from the seas looming behind us

            The Cold War was in full swing.
            1. +2
              26 November 2025 11: 38
              Quote: Puncher
              The Cold War was in full swing.

              The Soviet fleet in the 60s could not challenge the US leadership in the oceans...
    2. +5
      26 November 2025 07: 55
      As Lenin said, "Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action." And the CCP is acting.
    3. +3
      26 November 2025 08: 08
      Yes, I recently watched a video by historian Maxim Tokarev on the Tactical Media channel. The Americans encountered a lot of problems with their nuclear aircraft carriers, and if it weren't for Hyman Rickover's persistence, the world might never have seen a nuclear carrier fleet.
      1. -2
        26 November 2025 08: 14
        Quote: Dmitry Eon
        I recently watched a video by historian Maxim Tokarev on the Tactic Media channel.

        I respect him!
    4. +3
      26 November 2025 09: 05
      There's another aspect here. The possibility of receiving a significant number of different types of ships for the same purpose, instead of a series. The consequences of this are evident in the Soviet experience of building nuclear submarines. Where such practices led to significant difficulties in subsequent operation...
      1. -2
        26 November 2025 09: 09
        Quote: paul3390
        The probability of receiving a significant number of different types of ships of the same purpose.

        They can't do it any other way; they need to quickly develop a design for a ship that meets all requirements, and any anomalies that arise during operation. So, they built it, tested it in exercises, identified the problem areas, and noted what needs to be corrected in the future.
        1. +4
          26 November 2025 09: 16
          That's possible, but it'll be a real pain in the ass. Plus, consider that aircraft carriers should at least be in pairs—one operational, one undergoing repairs. Or better yet, three, with the third undergoing modernization. Otherwise, having a ship of a different type periodically thrust into your carrier strike group could lead to operational problems.
          1. -2
            26 November 2025 09: 56
            Quote: paul3390
            It's possible to do it this way, but then you'll end up with hemorrhoids.

            I think they're aware of the potential difficulties. They're sticking to production standards and not playing around with different types. Their black sheep are our four ex-Project 956s, still in service, although they differ from the others in both propulsion and equipment. They're probably the last ships with a steam turbine...
          2. +5
            26 November 2025 18: 33
            Quote: paul3390
            Aircraft carriers should be at least in identical pairs—one operational, one undergoing repairs. Or better yet, three, with the third undergoing modernization. Otherwise, having a ship of a different type periodically thrust into your carrier strike group can lead to operational problems.

            About five years ago, I was looking at Chinese plans for aircraft carrier construction. At that time, the plan was to build/have six of them:
            - two ski jumps (including "Liaoning",
            - two large flat-deck submarines with non-nuclear propulsion plants and EM catapults (one has been built, the second is currently being laid down),
            - two large flat-deck submarines with nuclear power plants and EM catapults.
            So everything is going according to plan. The ship's nuclear power plant has already been operating at the research center in the mountains for four or five years, seemingly without problems, so the AV can be installed.
            The fact that they're already building aircraft carriers in parallel at two shipyards, both nuclear and non-nuclear, is correct; their shipbuilding capacity and established expertise already allow for this. And their plans certainly won't stop at six aircraft carriers. It's possible they'll build not two, but four with non-nuclear propulsion (they like even numbers), because the nuclear aircraft carriers will first need to be thoroughly tested, tested, debugged, and revised in the design documentation. Only then will they launch a series. And while testing and fine-tuning is underway, they could build another non-nuclear one, so the shipyards won't be idle. In any case, within 15 years, China could easily match the US in the number of super-aircraft carriers. And if the US continues to decline, it could be even sooner.
            And that's without taking into account the ongoing construction of the Type 071 UDC series, of which 10 have already been built, 10 more Type 075s are planned, and now they're finishing up the Type 076 with a catapult, which is almost a third larger than the Type 075. It looks like they're planning to base the Type 076 on a promising VTOL aircraft, which they've been working on for a while, but were waiting for the engine to be ready (the same one they're currently using on the J-20, which was developed based on the R-279V-300 purchased from us in the 1990s). A catapult-assisted launch and vertical landing—the optimal solution for VTOL aircraft taking off with a full combat load and full fuel tanks—provides the maximum combat radius. And if they succeed in developing such a VTOL aircraft, then in addition to their main aircraft carriers, they will also have up to 10 VTOL aircraft carriers with a 50,000-ton payload. But that's a 10-15 year horizon.
            These are China's prospects and plans for aircraft carriers over the next 10-15 years. And if they succeed, even if not completely, the US will be very sad. Although they are already in no mood for joy.
    5. +11
      26 November 2025 11: 32
      Quote: Puncher
      The Chinese are certainly in a hurry, but in such matters it is dangerous.

      But we're all safe—we don't need a blue-water navy. We'll make do with a minimum of frigates and corvettes. It's good that at least we've kept our submarine fleet up to par.
      You'll say there's no money for a blue-water navy. Of course not. Where will it come from if the first priority is to provide the Tajiks and Kyrgyz with schools, free entertainment centers, textbooks, teachers, and so on, and so forth, and so forth.
      1. +2
        26 November 2025 15: 35
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        You'll say there's no money for a blue-water navy. Of course not. Where will it come from if the first priority is to provide the Tajiks and Kyrgyz with schools, free entertainment centers, textbooks, teachers, and so on, and so forth, and so forth.

        The USSR, after all, didn't have the money for an aircraft carrier fleet either. They also provided Soviet Tajiks and Kyrgyz with schools, free textbooks, teachers, clubs with Marxist-Leninist propaganda, and so on. And not just Soviet Tajiks and Kyrgyz, but also Soviet Balts, Soviet Georgians, Soviet Armenians, and everyone else in the world who declared their "socialist orientation." They lacked the money for aircraft carriers, the "weapon of capitalist aggression." wassat
        1. +4
          26 November 2025 17: 59
          Quote: AlexanderA
          But the USSR didn’t have money for an aircraft carrier fleet either.

          It was. And they built it.
          1. +1
            26 November 2025 18: 24
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            It was. And they built it.

            The USSR ended with a Project 1143.7 heavy aircraft carrier still in production, 18,3% complete, and an external debt of nearly 93 billion dollars. These are, so to speak, objective numerical indicators.
            1. +2
              26 November 2025 19: 05
              Quote: AlexanderA
              The USSR ended with the Project 1143.7 heavy aircraft carrier on the slipway

              And a bunch of other ships on the slipways and in the process of being fitted out. And a bunch of tanks, planes, and other military equipment.
              Quote: AlexanderA
              and an external debt of almost 93 billion in dollar terms.

              And the United States won with an external debt of $3,67 trillion, which is almost 40 times more than the USSR’s.
              Quote: AlexanderA
              These are, so to speak, objective numerical indicators.

              This is, so to speak, an objective scam. On your part.
              1. +1
                26 November 2025 21: 13
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                And a bunch of other ships on the slipways and in the process of being fitted out. And a bunch of tanks, planes, and other military equipment.

                We're talking about the aircraft carrier fleet. By the end of its existence, the USSR had one aircraft carrier with aspirations of being an aircraft carrier, not in combat service, but undergoing trials: the "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov." There were also four Yak-38 carriers, four parodies of aircraft carriers, inferior in aircraft-carrying capabilities to the American amphibious assault ships with AV-8B carrier-based attack aircraft. Because the Yak-38 and Yak-38M were just unfunny parodies of combat aircraft.

                The disintegrating USSR had two more aircraft-carrying cruisers, one of them the first with a nuclear power plant, at various stages of construction.

                Thus, the USSR did not have time to create an aircraft carrier fleet.
                And the United States won with an external debt of $3,67 trillion, which is almost 40 times more than the USSR’s.

                And the United States and its European NATO allies won the Cold War due to the economic and ideological collapse of the USSR.

                And yes, the US won, with its foreign debt denominated in dollars. And the USSR lost, with its foreign debt also denominated in dollars.

                And you got confused about ~$3,6 trillion in 1991 - that was the US government debt, not the external debt - the debt of the US federal government to its creditors.

                I wrote about external debt. They're not the same thing. For example, as of fall 2024, the US national debt was $35,7 trillion (as of October 15, 2024), while external debt was $25,8 trillion (as of September 2024).

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

                This is, so to speak, an objective scam. On your part.

                This is simply your biased perception of the perfectly accurate figures I cited. With the economy that developed in the USSR from the 60s to the 80s, by the end of the 80s, the USSR had reached a dead end of inefficiency. And today, the United States has found itself in a dead end of economic inefficiency, and the American carrier fleet is already unaffordable. But for now, this is not just something everyone sees, only those who look closely at the details. The devil is always in the details. wink
                1. +1
                  26 November 2025 21: 54
                  I'm sorry, but everything you wrote does not refute several simple facts:
                  1) The aircraft carrier fleet was built in the USSR
                  2) There was enough money for it (we spent about the same amount of money on anti-aircraft carrier weapons as on 10-12 AUGs)
                  3) The fall of the USSR and aircraft carriers are completely unrelated.
                  Quote: AlexanderA
                  And you got confused about ~3,6 trillion dollars in 1991 - that was the US government debt, not the external debt.

                  No problem, compare it with the USSR's national debt
                  Quote: AlexanderA
                  This is simply your biased perception of the absolutely correct figures I have given.

                  The numbers are correct. Your fraud lies in the fact that they are not connected in any way.
                  Quote: AlexanderA
                  Today, the United States finds itself in a dead end of economic inefficiency, and the American carrier fleet is already unaffordable.

                  Why an aircraft carrier fleet? :)) Not social programs, not aid to Ukraine, not 800 bases around the world, not space programs, but aircraft carriers? :)))))))
                  The way you phrased the question is already flawed in all respects.
                  1. +1
                    26 November 2025 22: 37
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    1) The aircraft carrier fleet was built in the USSR

                    It was built. But the USSR was no longer able to afford this fleet, as were a number of other "great construction projects" of the 80s. As a result, the USSR never built an aircraft carrier fleet, and the USSR suffered economic, ideological, and political collapse and ceased to exist—or, in common parlance, fell apart.
                    2) There was enough money for it (we spent about the same amount of money on anti-aircraft carrier weapons as on 10-12 AUGs)

                    The fact that the USSR spent the resources and assets on anti-aircraft carrier forces equivalent to 10-12 carrier strike groups doesn't mean that in the 70s and 80s, the USSR could have added another 10-12 carrier strike groups to these anti-aircraft carrier forces, meaning it spent the same amount as 20-24 carrier strike groups. The USSR simply didn't have the resources to build a proper construction dock in Nikolaev, and they stopped building heavy aircraft carriers on an inclined slipway.
                    3) The fall of the USSR and aircraft carriers are completely unrelated.

                    The fall of the USSR was caused by its overall economic inefficiency in the 70s and 80s. This overall economic inefficiency led to an inability to create and maintain an aircraft carrier fleet.

                    As I've already noted, the USSR simply lacked the resources to build a proper aircraft carrier construction dock in Nikolaev. And in the entire USSR, there was no plant capable of equipping the slipway used for heavy aircraft carrier construction with 1000-ton-class gantry cranes. To implement the large-block method for assembling heavy aircraft carrier hulls, two 900-ton gantry cranes had to be purchased from the Finnish company Konecranes.
                    Why an aircraft carrier fleet? :)) Not social programs, not aid to Ukraine, not 800 bases around the world, not space programs, but aircraft carriers? :)))))))

                    And there's not enough for everything. But, I repeat, not everyone sees this yet. The US today is in the same condition as the Soviet Union, which failed to master the construction of proper aircraft carriers in the 80s, let alone the production of trivial tank thermal imaging sights and frequency-hopping radios. The US simply can't keep up with its adversaries in today's military high-tech—hypersonic cruise missiles, fighter radars with GaN microwave MIMS in anti-ship missiles, long- and ultra-long-range air-to-air missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles with nuclear propulsion systems, and so on.
                    The way you phrased the question is already flawed in all respects.

                    I just know details you don't. That's why you can't understand how the overall state of the economy has influenced and continues to influence the military-industrial complex—Soviet, American, or any other.
                    1. +2
                      27 November 2025 08: 22
                      Quote: AlexanderA
                      The fact that the USSR spent resources on anti-aircraft carrier forces and assets equal to 10-12 AUGs does not mean that in addition to these anti-aircraft carrier forces the USSR in the 70-80s could have added another 10-12 AUGs.

                      The simple idea that the USSR could have built 10-12 AUGs not as an addition to, but INSTEAD of, its anti-carrier forces naturally didn't occur to you. Yes, not everyone is just looking back.
                      The USSR possessed sufficient resources to build an aircraft carrier fleet. But it chose to spend them on other classes of naval weapons, such as SSGNs, MPAs, MKRTs, heavy aircraft carriers, and so on—the vast majority of which, incidentally, the US did not possess. Thus, nothing prevented the USSR from "mirroring" the US fleet, albeit on a somewhat smaller scale.
                      Quote: AlexanderA
                      The fall of the USSR was caused by the general economic inefficiency of the USSR in the 70s and 80s.

                      What a profound thought, wow:)))) Did you finally manage to comprehend it, and did you feel like Confucius?
                      Absolutely in vain. This idea was taught in universities about 30 years ago.
                      Quote: AlexanderA
                      I just know details you don't. That's why you can't understand how the overall state of the economy has influenced and continues to influence the military-industrial complex.

                      Yes, of course, how can we, professional economists who have worked in production our whole lives, understand such things?
                      1. -1
                        27 November 2025 11: 05
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        The simple idea that the USSR could have built 10-12 AUGs not as an addition to, but INSTEAD of, its anti-carrier forces naturally didn't occur to you. Yes, not everyone is just looking back.

                        Naturally, it didn't. The Soviet defense industry was extremely bureaucratic and inert in matters of military development. New barrage balloons weren't designed in the USSR until the second half of the 50s, and the last towed (self-propelled) AT gun, the 2A45M "Sprut-B," was accepted into service in 1989. If you think the USSR could have simply stopped building anti-aircraft carrier forces for the Navy and started building aircraft carrier forces in their place, then you completely misunderstand Soviet reality. Relying on Soviet ideologists ("aircraft carriers are weapons of imperialist aggression!"), the anti-aircraft carrier "lobby" in the Soviet defense industry simply wouldn't have allowed it. In fact, it prevented the construction of proper Project 1160 aircraft carriers in the 1970s. Just as they prevented the construction of Project 11780 UDCs from starting a little later. Instead, resources were diverted to the useless Yak-38 carriers and the ugly Project 1174 large landing ships, whose designers couldn't even figure out how to replace their gas turbines after their service life had expired.

                        "Without knowing the past, it is impossible to understand the true meaning of the present and the purpose of the future."

                        You need to be more realistic in your historical alternatives, dear Andrey.
                        What a profound thought, wow:)))) Did you finally manage to comprehend it, and did you feel like Confucius?
                        Absolutely in vain. This idea was taught in universities about 30 years ago.

                        I will give you another profound thought: “Politics is a concentrated expression of economics.”

                        In the late 80s, the USSR leadership began to "drain everything" politically because the USSR was no longer able to support this "everything" economically.
                        Yes, of course, how can we, professional economists who have worked in production our whole lives, understand such things?

                        Excuse me, you've worked your whole life in aircraft carrier production. Could you tell me the labor intensity of building an aircraft carrier in millions of man-hours, and what other construction projects can compare it to?
                      2. +1
                        27 November 2025 18: 26
                        Quote: AlexanderA
                        Naturally she didn't come.

                        And why am I not surprised?
                        Quote: AlexanderA
                        The USSR's military-industrial complex was extremely bureaucratic and inert in matters of military construction.

                        Quote: AlexanderA
                        If you think that the USSR could have simply stopped building anti-aircraft carrier forces for the Navy and started building aircraft carrier forces instead, then you don't understand Soviet reality at all.

                        Excuse me. Did you even understand what you just said?
                        Your speech essentially boiled down to the following idea:
                        Yes, the USSR had the resources to build an aircraft carrier fleet, but for reasons unrelated to finances and resources, it spent these resources on other weapons.
                        Accordingly, you have completely confirmed my point of view, refuting your initial thesis that the USSR had no means to build an aircraft carrier fleet.
                      3. -1
                        27 November 2025 18: 50
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        And why am I not surprised?

                        Why should you be surprised? Science fiction about the "minimum necessary impact" (see Isaac Asimov's "The End of Eternity"), which would have resulted in Soviet carrier strike groups prowling the vastness of the World Ocean, is in a different section. I'm talking about real history. A very brief summary of the real reason why the USSR, by the end of its existence, "couldn't afford" an aircraft carrier fleet. First and foremost, it was due to the inefficiency of the USSR economy, built under the leadership of the Communist Party and the Soviet government in the 1970s and 1980s. And your counter-thesis: "It would have been possible not to "pay twice" ("a miser pays twice" (C)) and, by abruptly redirecting resources from building anti-carrier forces to building aircraft carrier forces, to create a Soviet aircraft carrier fleet"—that's also science fiction. Theoretically, it's possible. In the theory of spherical horses in a vacuum, much is possible, at the behest of dear Leonid Ilyich. But in practice, in the late USSR, this was impossible to do.
                      4. +2
                        27 November 2025 19: 08
                        Quote: AlexanderA
                        I'm talking about a real story.

                        Wherein
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        The USSR had the resources to build an aircraft carrier fleet, but for reasons unrelated to finances and resources, it spent these resources on other weapons.

                        Point.
                        And you should study logic. Because according to your historical "logic," it turns out that if you went to the store and bought kvass, you didn't have the money to buy beer. You didn't buy any, did you? You didn't. That means you didn't have the money. :)
                      5. 0
                        27 November 2025 19: 43
                        And you should study logic. Because with your historical "logic," it turns out that if you went to the store and bought kvass, you didn't have the money to buy beer. You didn't buy any, did you?


                        Have you decided to switch to "logical examples" about beer and kvass that housewives can understand? wink

                        The late USSR could not abruptly abandon the construction of anti-aircraft carrier forces and redirect resources to the construction of aircraft carrier forces, either politically or technically (it is a platitude, but at the shipyards where Soviet SSGNs were built in large quantities, it was impossible to undertake the construction of aircraft carriers and escort BNKs with guided missiles without a radical and very time-consuming and resource-intensive reconstruction of the factories).

                        You claim that you could have abruptly refused, and then resources for Soviet AUGs would have been found, and Soviet AUGs would have quickly furrowed the expanses of the World Ocean.

                        No, your logic is perfectly clear using the example of buying beer or kvass. It's so easy to buy kvass instead of beer, and vice versa.

                        Now give me a breakdown of the repurposing of Soviet shipyards, in terms of resources and time expenditure, so that instead of the same SSGNs, in the 1970s they would suddenly begin building several Project 1160 heavy aircraft carriers and at least a couple of dozen Project 1134-BF large anti-submarine ships (at least) to provide anti-submarine warfare and zonal air defense for these same heavy aircraft carriers.

                        For you, as a professional economist who's spent your entire life in manufacturing, this is like drinking a bottle of beer. Never mind that it was politically impossible. You came up with the thesis "it's possible." Defend that thesis of yours. At least from the standpoint that it was technically possible. wink
                      6. 0
                        28 November 2025 08: 28
                        Quote: AlexanderA
                        Have you decided to switch to "logical examples" about beer and kvass that housewives can understand?

                        I am forced to speak in a language that you will understand.
                        Quote: AlexanderA
                        The late USSR couldn't

                        Stop-stop:))))) No need to distort things. The discussion started with your phrase.
                        Quote: AlexanderA
                        But the USSR didn’t have money for an aircraft carrier fleet either. They also provided Soviet Tajiks and Kyrgyz with schools, free textbooks, teachers, clubs with Marxist-Leninist propaganda, etc.

                        Nowhere was there any mention of the late USSR, no mention of the 80s. You started referring to all of this later.
                        Quote: AlexanderA
                        You say that you could have refused abruptly.

                        Don't twist my words. I didn't say that—I was saying that the USSR had the resources to build an aircraft carrier fleet.
                        You have two completely different concepts mixed up in your head - having the opportunity to do something and the reasons for which the choice was made.
                        Quote: AlexanderA
                        No, your logic is perfectly clear using the example of buying beer or kvass. It's so easy to buy kvass instead of beer, and vice versa.

                        Even a simple example didn't help you.
                        Okay, let's try it with our fingers. You go to the store to buy kvass, you have in your pocket... well, let's say 150 rubles.
                        Obviously, with 150 rubles, you can buy ANY item that costs 150 rubles or less. Matches, bread, kvass, soda, beer, water, and so on.
                        But you don't buy beer. Why? For example, you're a confirmed teetotaler and never buy beer. Or you simply can't stand the taste of beer.
                        Accordingly, you have the opportunity to buy beer, but you will never buy it for one reason or another.
                        Accordingly, the opposite is also true. Having ironclad reasons why you didn't buy the beer, and with 200% probability you wouldn't buy it if you were back in the past and the situation repeated itself, doesn't mean you didn't have the opportunity. It means that despite the opportunity, you had reasons not to buy the beer.
                        Quote: AlexanderA
                        Now give me a breakdown of the repurposing of Soviet shipyards, the costs of resources and time, so that instead of the same SSGNs, we could suddenly begin building several heavy aircraft carriers of Project 1160 in the 1970s.

                        (grimacing) Don't bother with issues you can't handle. The ChSZ could have been brought up to the required standard for about 200 million rubles. And in Severodvinsk, if they'd built a proper loading chamber right away, they could have built a submarine with a capacity of at least 200 tons, in parallel with the submarine. Well, add another 200 million.
                      7. 0
                        28 November 2025 19: 09
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        I am forced to speak in a language that you will understand.

                        You're forced to write about beer and kvass because you can't write about shipyards, which is what I'm writing about. You lack the necessary knowledge on the topic, it's not your historical period, but you have a strong desire to prove your interlocutor wrong. As a result, I'm forced to hear your opinion that buying beer or kvass depends solely on the buyer's desires.
                        Stop, stop! :))))) No need to distort things. The discussion started with your phrase: "But the USSR didn't have the money for an aircraft carrier fleet either..."

                        The discussion began with a commentator's statement Krasnoyarsk: "You'll say there's no money for an ocean-going fleet. Of course not..." And the dispute began with your phrase: "It was. And they built it." After which, I had to remember what happened in December 1991, when the USSR ceased to exist. By the time the USSR collapsed, there was no money. There was no aircraft carrier fleet either.

                        There were four wretched Yak-38 carriers and a never-commissioned heavy aircraft carrier with aspirations of being a true aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov, as well as two more orders in various stages of completion. Of these, only the Ulyanovsk, 18,3% complete on the slipway, had any future potential to counter the air group of an American multipurpose aircraft carrier in a possible military clash with the US Navy.

                        I have indicated in separate strokes why this happened.

                        After which you gave birth to your point of view, which is of no interest to anyone, that if you don’t have money to buy both beer and kvass, you can buy either beer or kvass.
                        You have two completely different concepts mixed up in your head - having the opportunity to do something and the reasons for which the choice was made.

                        You're an economist by profession. You shouldn't play psychologist. You lack the professional knowledge in psychology for that. Your example of the USSR building anti-aircraft carrier forces, rather than aircraft carriers, as an example of choosing beer over kvass at the store, also shows that you're poor at drawing "real-life" analogies. Please write about the navy, not beer and kvass. And please don't write about the intricacies of state policy in the area of ​​naval construction as if it were a beer-and-kvass choice in the mind of the average person. You're humiliating yourself by resorting to such "analogies."
                        (grimacing) Don't deal with issues that are beyond your capabilities.

                        I understand psychology better than you. Learn about psychological projection, an example of which you demonstrated above.
                        The ChSZ could have been brought up to the required standard for about 200 million rubles. And in Severodvinsk, if they'd built a proper loading chamber right away, they could have built a submarine with a capacity of at least 200 tons, in parallel with the submarine. Well, add another 200 million.

                        But the ChSZ never reached the required technical level during Soviet times, just like the Northern Machine-Building Enterprise in Severodvinsk, the Baltic Shipyard and the Zhdanov Shipyard in Leningrad, and the Dalzavod in Vladivostok. In the more than four decades following World War II, the USSR failed to find the resources to bring its large-tonnage shipbuilding industry up to the technical level required to build domestic Enterprise-class ships. The construction of Soviet heavy cruisers, heavy cruisers, and nuclear icebreakers on inclined slipways, which the global heavy-tonnage shipbuilding industry had virtually abandoned by the 1970s, clearly illustrates this Soviet shortage of resources.

                        "...All ship launching methods implemented at third-generation plants had obvious advantages over launching from an inclined slipway: the launching process was controlled and reversible (if necessary, the vessel could be lifted back onto the slipway, for example, to inspect the underwater section). Since a single launching structure served several slipway sites, the costs of creating and operating the plant's complex of construction and launching facilities were minimal (the loading dock-filling basin system at second-generation plants also had several slipway sites per launching structure, but in this case, the size of the filling basin, and therefore the costs of its creation, were proportional to the number of docks).

                        The next stage in the development of shipbuilding was associated with the rapid growth in the size of ships built in the 60s and 70s. Today, it is difficult to determine what was the cause and what the effect. Either the growing capabilities of shipbuilding "prompted" ship designers to consider the feasibility of increasing displacement, or the increase in displacement necessitated the expansion of shipyard capacity. The situation resembled the age-old chicken-and-egg dilemma, which one wise man decisively resolved. "Of course, the chicken came first," he said, then added, "from the egg!"

                        Be that as it may, during these years, new fourth-generation shipyards (or shipbuilding complexes at older yards) began to appear in virtually all traditional shipbuilding countries. Their main feature was the use of dry docks, previously used only for ship repair, as construction and launching facilities.


                        When the major shipbuilding countries acquired fourth-generation shipbuilding capacity in the 70s, the USSR was straining to build heavy cruisers, heavy cruisers, and nuclear icebreakers using second-generation shipbuilding capacity. That's the whole story of yours:

                        "It was. And they built it."

                        Maybe you shouldn't talk about beer, but just drink it on Friday night, huh? Have a nice weekend.
                      8. -1
                        28 November 2025 19: 21
                        Quote: AlexanderA
                        You're an economist by profession. You shouldn't try to play psychologist. You lack the professional knowledge in psychology for that.

                        You should first learn to distinguish logic from psychology. They are two completely different disciplines. And since even after my comments, you still haven't understood your logical error, and haven't realized that this text
                        Quote: AlexanderA
                        But the ChSZ never reached the required technical level during the Soviet era, just like the Northern Machine-Building Enterprise in Severodvinsk, the Baltic Shipyard and the Zhdanov Shipyard in Leningrad, and the Dalzavod in Vladivostok. In the more than four decades following World War II, the USSR never found the resources to bring its large-tonnage shipbuilding industry up to the technical level required for the construction of domestic Enterprises.

                        In the context of my theses it is completely inappropriate, then...
                        Indeed, I'll go have a beer:))))))
      2. 0
        27 November 2025 15: 07
        There are also questions about "keeping our submarine fleet up to par." There are many different submarine classes with different equipment, designs, and missions. At the same time, in each class (or mission type), we lag behind the United States in numbers. As a result, we have enough strategic submarines to respond to the enemy if necessary. But not enough to make it difficult for the enemy to track, target, and destroy them.
    6. +4
      26 November 2025 15: 26
      Quote: Puncher
      The Chinese are certainly in a hurry, but in such matters, that's dangerous. The Americans have had a long journey with nuclear power plants, and it took years and many ships to perfect them.

      Could you clarify how long? From the CV-1 Langley, rebuilt from the collier Jupiter in 1922? wink
      It is certainly possible to simply take a nuclear power plant from a submarine and install it on a ship, but the energy consumption on an aircraft carrier is much higher than on a submarine, and the operating modes of the torpedo tubes are completely different.

      I hasten to point out that this is exactly what the Americans did on the world's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, the Enterprise. They installed eight (eight!) A2W submarine nuclear reactors. The carrier was laid down on February 4, 1958, and commissioned on November 25, 1961. Less than four years from keel laying to commissioning—no one can do that these days. It was incredibly expensive, though. That's why the Americans were stingy about building more nuclear-powered carriers until 1968. But no matter, she served until December 2012—51 years. With all eight of her first-generation submarine reactors, not a single one of which failed.

      When you wrote about the "long journey of the Americans," I understand you didn't know the details of the history of the world's first nuclear aircraft carrier, the Enterprise, mentioned above, about the eight A2W submarine reactors, and all that? wink
  2. kig
    +7
    26 November 2025 04: 57
    I'm not surprised. China has long been the world's largest shipbuilder.
    1. +2
      26 November 2025 15: 34
      Number one on planet Earth, followed by the Koreans and the Japanese.
  3. -13
    26 November 2025 05: 55
    I don't see a single Eleng ship under construction. They're all the size of a fishing boat, and in some places, there's just a completely empty lot. And here's the author: look to the left, there's an aircraft carrier, look to the right, there's another one, and there are three of them stacked on top of each other, then they'll remove the reactor with a crane and screw it on. Glue the planes on so the waves don't wash them away. Hooray!!! Here it is, the 133rd, the newest super-aircraft-nuclear-amphibious-flying and all the rest. The era of giants has passed, the era of robots underwater and in space has arrived. The battery has already been tested on Poseidon. Poseidon and Burevestnik are left with a supercomputer on their own hardware. And all these giants simply won't go to sea.
    1. 0
      26 November 2025 08: 36
      Quote: Dmitry worker
      I don't see a single Eleng with ships of decent size under construction.

      If you meant boathouses, then large ships are usually not built in boathouses.
      Quote: Dmitry worker
      The era of giants has passed, and the era of robots has arrived, underwater and in space.

      You greatly exaggerate their capabilities.
      1. +1
        26 November 2025 19: 31
        The length of aircraft carriers varies depending on the model. Some examples:
        "Nimitz" (USS Nimitz) - 332 meters (USA);
        Admiral Kuznetsov - 306 meters (Russia);
        Charles de Gaulle - 261,5 meters (France);
        Queen Elizabeth - 284 meters (Great Britain);
        "Cavour" - 244 meters (Italy).
        The typical aircraft carrier's hull ranges from 182 to 342 meters in length and has a draft of up to 12 meters. Future aircraft carriers are expected to be up to 400 meters long.
        Important information on the dimensions of Sevmash's Workshop No. 55, Boathouse No. 2, cannot be found anywhere else:
        111040 sq.m - total area,
        432 m - length,
        130 m - width,
        373,6 m – length of the slipway plate,
        78 m is the width of the dock,
        78 m – clear width of exit gates,
        73,2 m is the height of the boathouse.
        From the roof you can see Arkhangelsk, a favorite comparison is with football fields - 20 of them (honestly, I've never been to a football match, and I don't even know the size of a field).
        Well, and about robots.
        Buran's first flight took place on November 15, 1988, in automatic mode, without a crew on board.
        The main difference between Buran and the American shuttles was its automatic control system, which allowed the spacecraft to complete the entire flight and landing without human intervention.
        Biser-4 is an on-board digital computer (BDCM) of the reusable Buran spacecraft as part of the Buran-Energia project.
        It had 4 computing channels (or cores) running at 4 MHz and had 128 KB of RAM and 16 KB of program memory.
        I think you know the parameters of your computer or phone yourself.
        I think you can imagine what Buran could do if it had a digital computer with the capabilities of modern computing technology on board.
        Everything is possible, but who needs it?
        You know the answer yourself.
        1. +1
          26 November 2025 19: 49
          Buran had four separate computers. A quadruple system with voting, for reliability. Each was single-processor, or, in modern terms, single-core. But there were dozens of input/output channels in total, since there were hundreds of sensors.
          Yes, if only we had its fuselage, engines and Energia, and modern hardware and software... It was a shame we abandoned it!
        2. 0
          27 November 2025 15: 33
          No, that's not quite true. The shuttle could have carried out unmanned flights if necessary. There was no need.
          The main difference is that the Shuttle is a system of a shuttle, which contains the main engines, a large fuel tank, and two large side boosters.
          Buran is a separate shuttle and a separate launch vehicle that can be launched without the shuttle.
          1. 0
            27 November 2025 15: 57
            The shuttle couldn't land on its own; the cosmonaut pilot had to land it; remote control wasn't an option. In space, it was controlled remotely, and there's plenty of room there, plus or minus a bast shoe. They didn't know what AI was in America. But OURS taught us. Read the memoirs of test pilot Igor Volk.
            From the very beginning, Buran was designed as a ship with exclusively automatic control, including during landing, and manual control was added later and only at the request of the cosmonauts.
            Particular attention was paid to developing the landing system. Every action of the pilots was recorded by programmers, who processed this information and created electronic programs that allowed Buran to operate and make decisions automatically, unmanned.
            It is about making decisions!!!!
          2. 0
            27 November 2025 15: 59
            Well, give me a link to when the shuttle flew without people.
            1. 0
              27 November 2025 20: 01
              It never actually flew. However, the possibility of automatic landing was considered during later upgrades.
    2. kig
      0
      26 November 2025 09: 01
      Quote: Dmitry worker
      Everywhere the size of a fishing boat, and in some places there is a completely empty area.

      Look at the same picture, but without the red squares. You can see three gas carriers under construction And one regular tanker. A gas carrier is a very complex vessel. It's more modest than an aircraft carrier, of course, but it also requires the appropriate technology. And the Chinese have all of this, unlike... And just for the sake of erudition, you can open Google Maps and see what's going on along the banks of the Yangtze River—it's nothing but piers, shipbuilding yards, and ship repair facilities.
      1. +1
        26 November 2025 19: 50
        The author was writing about gas carriers? And suggested we take a look at gas carriers? I think he said, "Look, there's space there for two catapults, and he saw a nuclear reactor there." And gas carriers have some rather sophisticated technology that only the French and we possess.
        But who needs it? You know the answer.
        1. kig
          0
          27 November 2025 19: 20
          The author is retelling an article from the American website twz, so he wasn't the one who saw the catapults and other things. But the gas carriers and other things are evidence of the success of Chinese shipbuilding.
        2. kig
          0
          27 November 2025 19: 55
          Quote: Dmitry worker
          just the French and us

          Besides cargo tanks (the French), there's still a lot to be had. If they'd thought about it, they'd have had everything they needed long ago, but they haven't built a single one yet.
  4. -1
    26 November 2025 06: 13
    Who is stronger or not weaker than whom? Is there a fundamental difference?
  5. Des
    +6
    26 November 2025 06: 44
    The article is a plus, it was interesting to read and made me laugh a little, but not for the PRC, but for the specifics of creating articles by the author and (not many)) - the editorial staff.
    [/ Center]
    There is also an opinion,


    "Analysts named the reason for the program's suspension excessive power demand, rapid destruction of the gun guides and logistical difficulties in deploying weapons at sea."
    But that's not the point. China is striving to become a global leader, and it's working. There's no longer a US-USSR standoff; there's a US-China standoff. And the US-Russia standoff is now only applicable to regional rivalries, and Trump has already stopped almost eight of them (a joke, unfortunately).
    As I.V. Stalin said in another situation: "What are we going to do? We'll be jealous."
  6. log
    +4
    26 November 2025 07: 18
    I read all this and am glad that the USSR has been replaced by a worthy fighter who will not stupidly and ineptly destroy his country. I hope our Gorbo-Yeltsism has given our Chinese comrades a good inoculation against the scoundrels in power and the party.
    1. +2
      26 November 2025 08: 38
      Quote: troza
      I hope that our Gorbo-Yeltsism has given our Chinese comrades a good vaccination against the scoundrels in power and the party.

      Scoundrels emerge when power is usurped by a single individual who is forced to surround himself with loyal, not proactive, people. Comrade Xi has usurped power and is attempting to subjugate the CPC. This will not end well for China.
  7. log
    -8
    26 November 2025 07: 24
    One question. Has a countermeasure to cybersonic missiles already been found? An aircraft carrier has no chance against cybersonic missiles when such a missile carries a small nuclear warhead.
    1. +3
      26 November 2025 08: 40
      Quote: troza
      Has a countermeasure to cyber-sonic missiles already been found?

      Mmm... Is this rockets in MP3 audio format?
      1. +2
        26 November 2025 10: 09
        No, it's Dolby Surround)))
    2. +2
      26 November 2025 10: 25
      Are these the ones dancing in front of the President?
  8. +1
    26 November 2025 07: 37
    Quote: troza
    One question. Has a countermeasure to cybersonic missiles already been found? An aircraft carrier has no chance against cybersonics.

    what kind of beast is this?
  9. +1
    26 November 2025 08: 36
    Since the advent of catapults, aircraft carriers have required a significant redesign to improve and expand their capabilities. The design of carrier-based aircraft will also be significantly simplified. Why isn't this happening?
  10. 0
    26 November 2025 09: 00
    They spent over $500 million developing a railgun that could fire metal projectiles at speeds exceeding Mach 6.


    Not impressive. Mach 6... less than 2 km/sec. Some modern APFSDS rounds have similar speeds. So, such speeds are entirely achievable with high-quality propellant. If a railgun is going to be developed, it should be designed to achieve higher speeds; otherwise, it's not worth the effort.
    It remains unclear how the electronic control and guidance systems of such weapons operate in the presence of strong alternating electromagnetic fields (when using a railgun).
  11. -1
    26 November 2025 09: 42
    The Chinese are certainly trying to do something, but they can't compare to us. The mere sight of Kuznetsov should terrify the entire world!
  12. +1
    26 November 2025 10: 06
    I can just imagine how they're guided by the proverbs "the journey begins with a single step" or "a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." It makes me envious. We could only take on such projects if we introduced the death penalty for corruption.
    1. +3
      26 November 2025 17: 37
      First, we need to build a powerful shipbuilding industry. Highly skilled workers and engineers don't just appear out of thin air or money. We should always start small, even if it's just fishing vessels, tankers, gas carriers, and container ships—not necessarily the best—but mid-range projects at an affordable price—that's where we should start. Look at the experience of China, South Korea, and Japan—the largest shipbuilders of our time—that's their path, and miracles don't happen.
    2. +1
      26 November 2025 17: 52
      Corrupt officials will not pass a law on the death penalty for corruption
    3. 0
      1 December 2025 14: 44
      Well, sir, you certainly speak well about the death penalty, but I'm afraid you've gone a bit overboard. It might turn out just like in the picture.
  13. +1
    26 November 2025 10: 08
    "Two catapults on the belt" - where or how is that?
  14. +4
    26 November 2025 10: 20
    The fourth Chinese: nuclear, with EMP catapults and railguns on the deck
    I watch the development of China's army, navy, and industry with both alarm and admiration. Just 40 years ago, I imagined them as uneducated, dirty, and ridiculous little people. Against whom will China direct its military might? Against Taiwan? Or against Russia? China needs vast territory to settle its population, fresh water, forests, and mineral resources—in short, everything that exists in our Far East. I don't believe in China's sincere and selfless aid to Russia. China is closely monitoring the Central Military District and the gradual weakening of Russia's economic (and other) resources. They also drew conclusions from the Ukrainian Armed Forces' invasion of the Kursk region, to which Russia responded... with six months of "squeezing" the enemy back and the menacing speeches of "militant" Dimon.
    1. +5
      26 November 2025 16: 53
      Well, yes, the area of ​​China's territory is ~9 million square kilometers. (And a third of it is mountains and deserts) The population is
      1.5 yards. The Russian Federation covers an area of ​​approximately 17 million square kilometers. Its population is 140 million. Most of the population is concentrated in the European part. They, as they say, are being told by God himself to take a closer look and measure their position against our Siberia and Far East... And if anyone (let's not point fingers) believes in their neighbor's "good intentions," I think they're either a starry-eyed idiot or an infant (which, to me, is the same thing)))) And the "suffocating embrace" policy has already been discussed more than once...
      1. -1
        26 November 2025 19: 12
        And a third of it is mountains and deserts

        And in Siberia and the Far East there are solid paradises where rivers of jelly flow along milky banks, yeah right.
        1. 0
          8 December 2025 02: 27
          But habitable. And where in the Far East did you find deserts like the Gobi? Or mountains like the Himalayas?
    2. +4
      26 November 2025 17: 43
      More delusions from a deranged mind. Look at the map of China's population distribution, the demographics. What population distribution?! There's no Stalin there to forcibly resettle millions of people. The Chinese don't live in the north. It's easier to buy resources; it's not very expensive than spending them on occupying and developing territory. Especially now that we have two major trading partners left and there's no end in sight. They need a navy to secure their trade on the world's oceans; seizing Taiwan and the like is so 19th century, forget it. Unless, of course, they resort to provocation.
    3. 0
      26 November 2025 17: 56
      All of China is a gigantic territory for settlement (if memory serves, it's the third-largest country in the world). But everyone lives in a comfortable, warm zone along the coast and along the basins of their two largest rivers. The west and north of the country are barely populated; they're trying to achieve a more even population distribution. And you're offering them EVEN more empty land without infrastructure and in the cold north (few people live in northern China; they themselves prefer to move south).
  15. +2
    26 November 2025 10: 23
    No, the US and China are not going to war, that's nonsense for the plebs, they're more likely to be together against a third party.
    1. +1
      26 November 2025 17: 45
      There is no third party on the planet against whom the unification of China and the United States is necessary; no one can even go 1:1 against them.
  16. +4
    26 November 2025 10: 27
    I recall numerous, overpoweringly powerful experts. This is about those who pour into our ears that the communist path of development is a dead-end branch of civilization. And the pinnacle of civilization is the feudal-slave path, with its unprincipled predatory nature that suppresses everything beautiful and moral in a person, if it prevents them from being deceived and elevated to the status of a disenfranchised, swindled animal.
    1. +4
      26 November 2025 11: 19
      Quote: Alexey Koshkarov
      I recall numerous, overpoweringly prestigious experts. This applies to those who pour into our ears the message that the communist path of development is a dead-end branch of civilization.

      There's no classic communist path in China. It's managed capitalism under the wise leadership of the CPC. With periodic executions of bulldogs who lose fights under the carpet, like the mayor of a city with 13 tons of gold in his basement.
      1. -1
        26 November 2025 16: 53
        The system is socially oriented, a planned economy, and a bunch of other social theories and programs. Everything is according to Marx, Engels, and Lenin. And you can call it a controlled Makhnovshchina. That won't change the outcome.
        1. +2
          26 November 2025 18: 13
          Yeah, socially oriented, are you nuts? Pensions only recently came into effect, education is paid starting in 9th grade, and so much more. It's ridiculous to read all this.
          Small and medium-sized businesses do not get wet by the state, but allow them to work.
          1. +2
            26 November 2025 19: 04
            Pensions have appeared in China. But here, it seems, they will soon disappear...
    2. +3
      26 November 2025 17: 47
      There's no communism in China; it's a typical market economy, the only thing is, they don't let hucksters into power. It's comparable to our NEP, but not to the USSR's economy; it's a completely different system.
  17. 0
    26 November 2025 11: 01
    China's nuclear-powered aircraft carrier is entirely feasible, but all those miracle electromagnetic guns are just a fairy tale. Americans are a pragmatic people. If such guns were useful, their development would hardly have been stopped. As far as I understand, the main problem is rapid barrel wear. Firing accuracy is also questionable.
  18. +4
    26 November 2025 11: 10
    It's so interesting: you look at the results of others' work, such as the aircraft carrier described in the article, the Starship system, Bezos's new reusable launch vehicle, android home robots, and even the internet itself, and compare them with Russia's achievements in the same areas, and you can't understand why people, with the stubbornness of maniacs, continue to vote for someone who, despite having all the conditions, ruined everything?
    1. +3
      26 November 2025 17: 49
      What's this obsessive need to invent something of your own? Look at countries like Austria, Australia, and New Zealand, they live peacefully and comfortably.
  19. +1
    26 November 2025 18: 46
    Soon the whole world will be learning Chinese. There are enough people in China for everything and everyone, and living in China is rather cramped.
    1. +1
      26 November 2025 23: 46
      Isn't it cramped to live in India, with a population larger than China and a territory two and a half times smaller?
      1. 0
        27 November 2025 05: 43
        Quote: Sergej1972
        And in India it is narrower than in China,

        In India they dance a lot and the progress there is worse...
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  21. -1
    27 November 2025 00: 11
    Quote: Author
    and ... railguns on deck

    belay

    This fascination with so-called railguns is touching. As will be demonstrated, the simplest example is this wonder weapon fired at a low-flying target (missile). It's no wonder the Navy abandoned this stillborn project.
  22. 0
    27 November 2025 11: 05
    The Chinese haven't learned how to build proper reactors on Earth. And I like science fiction too. The Chinese version.
    1. 0
      28 November 2025 18: 17
      China operates 58 reactors and has 54 under construction, compared to 94 in the United States and 36 in Russia.
      1. 0
        2 December 2025 11: 49
        So what? China is just starting out. That's no indicator. What has China contributed to science? Did it copy and steal from the imbecilic Europeans?
  23. 0
    2 December 2025 11: 45
    Degenerates. What's the point of building big troughs if that trough will render a corvette with hypersonic missiles useless? Goodbye, jerks.