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The role and place of Russia in the modern world

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The role and place of Russia in the modern worldThe destruction of the USSR led to a global change in world politics and its development trends for the entire visible perspective. No matter how much they cursed the “cold war” and the “iron curtain” (which arose, by the way, on the initiative of Churchill and Truman, and not at all the Stalinist USSR, striving for peace and cooperation with former allies - Western democracies), in practice it stretched from 1946 by 1991 year the period of the mighty Soviet power effectively restrained the predatory instincts of the Americans and NATO.


Creation in the USSR of atomic, and then hydrogen weaponsThe respective launch vehicles put an end to Washington’s nuclear blackmail. The Korean War and the Vietnam War ended in fact with the victory of our allies, our common victory primarily thanks to the military-political support of the heroic peoples of these countries from the USSR and the PRC. The aggression of England, France and Israel against the progressive regime of Gamal Abdel Nasser in Egypt in 1956 ended a day after Moscow’s actual ultimatum. The liberation of Africa from colonial slavery occurred primarily because of the very existence of the Soviet Union and the socialist community and their support for the liberation struggle of the peoples.

The outstanding pace of its economic development, the great achievements of science, technology, culture, avant-garde positions in health care, medicine and education, guarantees of the basic social rights of citizens (and, above all, the proclaimed, but never realized, position of the American Bill of the right to life without the need ), our socialist power represented to the whole world, including the countries of the West, a visible alternative to capitalism.

It was the example of the USSR that was the decisive condition for the existence of the international communist movement, including the multi-million and extremely influential communist parties of Italy and France, which had repeatedly been part of the governments of these countries and had world-class scientists and culture as their members and supporters. As you know, Albert Ainshsayn, Pablo Pisasso and other great intellectuals and creators have repeatedly declared their commitment to the ideas of socialism, were friends of our country.

And yet, let us say the most important thing: with its economic and defensive might, the USSR ensured a balance of power in the world. No less important is the fact that, at the core of its ideology, the USSR represented the values ​​of humanism and spirituality, reflecting the deep aspirations of all humanity and drawing the minds of billions of people. In any case, it represented a real alternative to capitalism oriented to money and material comfort as the main goal of human existence. It is no accident that Soviet culture, art and science for decades occupied leading positions in the world and created the intellectual bar, which Western cultural figures wanted to comply with.

Today, after the end of the USSR, high culture disappears not only in our country. See what happens in the West. Name those living now and actively working, if not great, then at least prominent Western cultural and art workers. Hardly remember at least three names.

At the same time, it is necessary to clearly realize that the intrigues of an external enemy could never have succeeded in crushing such a historical giant as the great Soviet Union. Both Lenin and Stalin repeatedly warned that the death of the party and the state could result primarily from internal weakness, decomposition of leading cadres, violation of the principle of democratic centralism — that is, unity in the party and state leadership of the country. Hence the rigidity and intransigence with which they related to such manifestations. At the same time, the main factor as a decisive factor was to preserve the fundamental values ​​of socialism and Soviet power on the basis of the creative development of Marxism, taking into account changing circumstances, selection of personnel based on the evaluation of the interests of the people, their moral and political opinion, not the speeches and promises. look.

As you know, the first tremendous destructive force hit on socialism as the basis of the state system of the USSR and the dominant ideology, its world prestige was struck by Stalin’s Khruschev “revelations” in 1956 year. But the real sabotage of this man and his environment was not limited to this. The famous “kitchen dispute” of Khrushchev and Nixon at the American exhibition in Moscow in 1959, in which Khrushchev seemed to uphold spiritual values ​​and interests as the driving force of society and the meaning of human existence, and the vice-president of the United States saw this meaning exclusively in color TVs, refrigerators in the end, Khrushchev reduced the main goal of the party and the people to a constant race for material priorities imposed on us by the West.

If we consider in this connection the root causes of the tragedy of our party and state, then they are reduced, on the one hand, to an unacceptably low level of material well-being of the majority of the population, which neither the war that has passed long ago nor the imposed arms race could justify. Moreover, it is impossible to justify the system of values ​​imposed on us by the same Americans, which boil down to the goal of "meeting the ever-growing material needs of the people" without prioritizing the values ​​of the spiritual, the values ​​of the socialist, the values ​​of the national, national. Western anti-Soviet propaganda, of which millions of people in our country have become consumers in the last decades of the USSR’s existence, has actively worked to erode the socialist and patriotic consciousness of the people, using primarily these two factors.

Disintegration, the disintegration of society began primarily in the elite, represented by leading party and economic cadres. Appearance in the core of the party - in the apparatus of the Central Committee of the CPSU and its Politburo, along with honest and loyal people of such shifters and reincarnations like Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze and others led to the disintegration and disintegration of society and in itself testified to the internal processes of decay that began in at our highest levels, both at Moscow and at the regional level, long before that, under Khrushchev and in the second half of the reign of Leonid Brezhnev, during the so-called period. stagnation.

At the same time, it must be admitted that the first symptoms of such a decomposition appeared among a part of the leading cadres at the end of the 30s and especially after the war. But I.V. Stalin reacted extremely sensitively and harshly to the symptoms of domestic decay, the race for enrichment, the transformation of party leaders into an elite that was closed and distant from the people and their needs, worship of the West, manifested in a number of well-known and popular party, military and state figures, and especially among the intelligentsia. He condemned and suppressed all such manifestations with extreme determination and mercilessness. "Damn caste", - said Stalin about such people. Unfortunately, after the leader left the life, such consumer moods and manifestations began to multiply in our elite in a geometrical progression. The phenomenon of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, of countless newborn on the ground among the party, Soviet workers and "red directors" is a direct derivative of these putrefactive processes.

It seems that the main reason for this was the formal political democracy that existed in the country, “elections without choice”, the lack of real control of the people over the authorities and the ability of people to really influence their own destiny through the ballot. As we all know, the legislative, executive bodies of the Soviet government and the judicial system did not provide for a real separation of powers. At the same time, the democratic mechanism for the renewal of the leadership of the party, laid down in its Charter, and really working under Lenin and Stalin, gradually also became rusty. Hence, the article about the leading role of the party, which existed in the USSR Constitution of 1977, actually did not so much help the state and society as it conserved stagnation and shortcomings. It was already in 30 that JV Stalin understood that he tried to lay down the possibility of alternative elections with several candidates for one seat in the 1936 Constitution, real competition of candidates and limiting the role of the party primarily with ideological and personnel issues. However, the powerful, united resistance of the taste of the power of the party bureaucracy did not allow him to achieve this goal.

The current global crisis of capitalism, which is most visibly and contrastively manifested in our country, makes the request for socialism not only relevant - it puts it on the practical agenda. It is not by chance that after more than two decades of Western enthusiasm about the collapse of the USSR, the world system of socialism, and the allegations that the liberal model represents itself the crown of human storiesEven in the leading Western editions of the USA and Europe, not to mention Asia and South America now, in conditions of a complete impasse of liberal capitalism, there are heated discussions about a return in one form or another to the idea of ​​socialism, or at least a social, socialized state. It is recognized at the same time that the pursuit of profit and personal enrichment cannot be the goal and meaning of the existence of society and the individual - this is the path to savagery and the collapse of the family, state, civilization.

Russia, which suffered socialism and Soviet power for centuries of its history, which at one time was the weakest link in capitalism and the most prepared in a spiritual sense primarily to accept socialist values, achieved precisely because of this system of the highest results in its national and world history, at the same time time for the last 20 years of capitalism collapsed into nowhere, to return to this system, as they say, God himself commanded.

However, one must not forget that history does not know a backward movement. The history of all restorations in the world shows the great difference between heirs and grandparents. Time is implacable, and it is clear that, given the radically changed internal and global realities, we can and should speak only about new socialism, which absorbed the best of Soviet and world experience and at the same time does not repeat past mistakes, illusions and delusions, taking into account the current situation and future development trends.

The outstanding Russian historian Vasily Klyuchevsky noted that Russian history is characterized by its repeatability. The ongoing processes in the country and in the world, for all their novelty, are surprisingly reminiscent of the times immediately preceding the February 1917 of the year. Hence, not far from the question "Where is such a party?". There is such a party, its name is the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and it should be from a practical and theoretical point of view fully ready to seize power and to historical responsibility for bringing the country out of the historical impasse, to new perspectives. At the same time, we absolutely cannot attack the old rake.

First of all, we must do everything to protect ourselves from two traditional traps that the Communists have repeatedly hit in the past. One of them is revisionism, apostasy from the very essence of the revolutionary teachings of Marx and Lenin, the foundations of socialism as an economic system and political philosophy. As is known, in our country its varieties were “left” and “right” opportunists from Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev to Bukharin and others. Then this potentially disastrous for the party fork, although a very heavy, sometimes disproportionate human price, was avoided.

In 60-80-s, the deserved, multi-million communist parties of France, Italy, Spain fell under the auspices of the creative development of Marxism ... And they actually died as influential national organizations.

On the other hand, no less formidable danger for the Communists is dogmatism, stagnation in the development of the theoretical thought of the party (often arising, by the way, as a reaction to the danger of revisionism). It seems that in 50-60-ies the victim of dogmatism, to our great regret, became, first of all, the CPSU. Anticipating this, Stalin warned his comrades before he left: “Without theory, we are dead!”, Referring not only to mastering all the treasures of the philosophical thought of the classics of Marxism, but on this basis, its bold, innovative development.

The tragedy was that, in contrast to the fundamental and applied natural sciences that were actively developing in our country, which set the world level of relevant branches of knowledge, many of our social sciences, and above all, research in the field of modern philosophy, theory and practice of Marxism, socialism, and political economy. , sociology and others, with some positive exceptions, fell at this time into a hardened and bone-like state, not answering questions increasingly asked by the changing Soviet and world reality. It was precisely what the classics of Marxism warned against: the transformation of their theoretical heritage from a weapon of struggle into a historical monument.

At the same time, those researchers who tried to keep up with the times, boldly uncovered contradictions and distortions, mistakes and misconceptions that occurred in the practice of real socialism, searched for new answers to new problems, were subjected to dogmatists condemnation and ostracism. The most disgraceful in this regard is the “affair” of the remarkable communist and patriot, veteran of the Great Patriotic War, outstanding Soviet philosopher, professor of Moscow State University Alexander Alexandrovich Zinoviev, created in 70-s, 90 anniversary of his birth was celebrated in 2012 year.

For the unorthodox nature of his views and works, he was expelled from the party, dismissed from his job, deprived of Soviet citizenship and expelled from the country. But already in the 1989 year, Zinoviev turned out to be one of the first to realize the consequences of the Gorbachev "catastrophic", later he turned out to be the most prominent researcher and staunch defender of the advantages of Soviet socialism, the most talented critic of global capitalism and "Westernism." At the same time, many of his “principled” critics and persecutors who lived up to the 90 of the 'zero years, from the standpoint of dogmatism, were mostly on the other side of the barricades - in the camp of anti-communists and anti-Sovietists. All their theoretical activity in those years was reduced (and for many people still comes down to) the rehash of Western authors, mainly of the liberal-anti-communist direction. And now, in the conditions of the global crisis of capitalism as a theory and practice of organizing society, and especially its right liberal version, when the authors of these theories themselves (like Francis Fukiyama, who predicted the “end of history”, that is, the ultimate triumph of liberalism), and now recognizing the fallacy of their predictions, our home-grown liberals and anti-communists were left with nothing.

In the last decades of the USSR, the state of social sciences had the most negative consequences for the fate of the party and the state. More Yu.V. In the year 1983, Andropov was forced to conclude that "we do not know the society in which we live." It was impossible to come up with a more derogatory assessment of the state of social thought and the level of research. Subsequently, the majority of Soviet social scientists turned out to be completely unprepared to answer the most important questions about the cause of the crisis phenomena of the Soviet society and state, the factors that caused the death of the CPSU and the USSR.

Hand in hand, we must recognize that even today we do not have comprehensive Marxist studies on this issue, with the exception of the works of the same A. Zinoviev, S. Kara-Murza, Yu. Zhukov, Yu. Emelyanova and several other talented researchers.

At the same time, it is obvious that the strategy of withdrawing Russia from the current disastrous trajectory of falling on the path of rebirth can be provided by a mature innovative theory, a bold Marxist analysis of the history and practice of Soviet society and modern Russia, the world around us, and future development trends.
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  1. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 April 28 2013 08: 12 New
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    So, comparison gives us the right to assert that socialism is the most advanced path of development than capitalism. What's next? And nothing, the capitalists, once having taken power voluntarily, will not give it up under any sauce. Now, even at the cost of a civil war and the loss of a third or even more of the population, they will not agree to return the state economy. So such articles are of course relevant and they are all correct, but useless. Why is propaganda working so hard to frighten people with the horrors of revolution? it’s so simple that even thoughts of a forceful decision to change the government do not arise. We lost everything for a very long time.
    By the way, the title on the role of Russia in the modern world, so the role is not very enviable. Judging by the political actions and their results, this role is rather a theatrical one, which does not solve anything in global world politics.
    1. Murat 09
      Murat 09 April 28 2013 08: 28 New
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      I agree with your post, Vladimir, everyone said clearly! Therefore, I am for the union of Islam and Russia, because then Russia can very quickly regain its power and influence in the world. There are about 2 billion Muslims in the world, this is a huge market that can allow Russia to retain the technology of the early 90s following the crisis, Islam can also become an example for the moral revival of the Russian people, for which the West is now an example, and therefore the Russian people are degenerating. There are many more advantages from such a Union. If it seems that there are cons, please express your opinions on this matter.
      1. Heccrbq
        Heccrbq April 28 2013 09: 10 New
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        We don’t need any public alliances with Islam, we have lived side by side with Muslims all our lives and no friction or misunderstanding, why stress it? Islam can be an example of a moral rebirth ???? Are you so joking unsuccessfully? Deal with your radicals, with their youth, who have very bad morale. As for degeneration, you won’t succeed, you won’t wait, I think the bottom point has been passed and the Russians become more and more month by month, week, day (not brightened, but Russians). Muslim, I didn’t see and didn’t hear that God would bless them with a cry, only Allah Akbar!
        1. Murat 09
          Murat 09 April 28 2013 09: 24 New
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          Watch YouTube less, and talk more with real Muslims, maybe you’ll understand. I didn’t cite our Islamic youth in Russia as an example, I know that it’s bad with us and I said a hundred times that in order to fight extremism we need to educate Caucasian illiterate youth in true Sunni Islam. An example is the Islamic country of Indonesia, for example, where there is no drug addiction, prostitution, degeneration, where they work very well, look at your computer, many details can be produced in Indonesia, Malaysia (for example, Intel processors), etc. As for degeneration, you told you it won’t succeed, are we to blame for drinking, pricking, etc. or all the same west. On the contrary, for me the degeneration of the Russian people is a pain, because then one opponent of liberalism becomes less, and one lacks it more, so your reproaches are not addressed. And about the screams during the killings, these groups that kill are created and financed by the West to achieve their goals and denigrate Islam. Whose agent was bin Laden eh ?? Isn't the CIA?
          And yet, read about the Crusades, with what slogan did they kill ah?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 09: 33 New
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            Quote: Murat 09
            Watch YouTube less, and talk more with real Muslims, maybe you’ll understand.

            In this case, show where normal. Everyone is talking about normal, but only talking, not showing. Wherever you look, the Islamists frostbite on their heads.
            1. Murat 09
              Murat 09 April 28 2013 10: 06 New
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              Well, again you are talking about your own, yes, there are all sorts of things, well, firstly, visitors on the video, I’ll say also for streamlining migration, secondly they don’t show normal ones on TV and the Internet, this is not an order, I agree, we have Muslims, unfortunately we don’t Illumination of Islam, right Muslims, etc. is developed, I’ll say to myself, I personally know dozens of people, believers, there are officials who don’t drink, don’t steal, don’t walk, they behave normally because they are Believers .
              1. Anti
                Anti April 28 2013 10: 28 New
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                from the video I watched above, I think that such events do not want to offend the feelings of believers, but still in my opinion, are somewhat provocative. After all, such mass events can be held outside the city limits, isn’t that so?
                1. Garrin
                  Garrin April 28 2013 11: 38 New
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                  Quote: Anti
                  but still, in my opinion, are somewhat provocative. After all, such mass events can be held outside the city limits, isn’t that so?

                  This is no longer a provocation. I would call it occupation. If they are so faithful and pious, then let them drink to their mosques and celebrate their rites there. They don’t need them here, they don’t want them, so why go here, and then they make claims that they don’t like them here. "Do not go with your charter into a strange monastery." So I see for myself in Samarkand or Tashkent the one hundred thousandth religious procession for Easter. Can anyone imagine what all this will result in? And we suffer. UNTIL!!! Tolerate.
                  PS I always hated the Natsiks, but the invasion (I can not name otherwise) of Asians will turn me into a Nazi. Let us live your life.
                  1. Anti
                    Anti April 28 2013 12: 01 New
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                    Quote: Garrin
                    I would call it occupation.


                    Eka You are enough, occupation. This is a criminal offense .... local bribe-taker officials permitting such mass events in cities. They must be asked.

                    And we suffer.


                    Internationalized at the genetic level.
                    1. Garrin
                      Garrin April 28 2013 12: 16 New
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                      Quote: Anti
                      Eka You are enough, occupation. This is a criminal offense .... local bribe-taker officials permitting such mass events in cities. They must be asked.


                      I didn’t have enough. Yes, and not about the holidays. I am about a quiet and creeping ousting of us from our living space. You live on Alpha Centauri, judging by the profile, and I'm in Moscow. Here come down and look. And there will also be demand from officials, here you are right.
                      1. Anti
                        Anti April 28 2013 12: 32 New
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                        Quote: Garrin
                        I am about a quiet and creeping ousting of us from our living space.


                        You know from history how in 24 hours they were evicted, causing harm to the country, if there is a danger, I am sure this mechanism will be turned on again.
                      2. Garrin
                        Garrin April 28 2013 12: 36 New
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                        Quote: Anti


                        You know from history how in 24 hours they were evicted, causing harm to the country, if there is a danger, I am sure this mechanism will be turned on again.

                        At the moment, I have already turned on the self-preservation mechanism, without exaggeration, turned on at the gene level. It's time to get rid of the infection, starting with officials and Gaster.
                      3. Anti
                        Anti April 28 2013 13: 21 New
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                        Quote: Garrin
                        It's time to get rid of the infection, starting with officials and Gaster.


                        If we clean the bureaucratic stables, then the second problem will be solved by itself.
                2. Ivan.
                  Ivan. April 28 2013 12: 20 New
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                  Eka You are enough, occupation. This is a criminal offense .... local bribe-taker officials

                  The occupation does not begin with hostilities but with the creation of prerequisites for it.
                  They must be asked.

                  But they are not fools and understand what they are doing.
                3. sleepy
                  sleepy April 29 2013 03: 11 New
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                  Quote: Anti
                  "... This is a criminal race ... among local bribe-taker officials permitting such mass events in cities.
                  You have to ask them. "


                  From the Internet. Already asked, it turns out.
                  "Judicial Chronicles.
                  Today I was in the Smolninsky court on the recognition of the inaction of the Committee on Rule of Law, Order and Security as unlawful with regard to the coordination of Uraza- and Kurban Bayrams this year (a statement and documents - in my LiveJournal: http: // shaptchits .livejournal.com / 20944.html).
                  The police of the Petrograd region, which I also invited as an interested person, did not honor us with my presence, and we put ourselves off ...
                  ... In the event of a debate, I had a single question for the representative of the Committee: what is it that all religious events in St. Petersburg do not need to be coordinated, or only Muslim? .. "

                  "... In the bottom line, we have the following. According to the Committee, there was no official approval of prayers on the lawns, on the roadway and in other places not provided for for this. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there were. Who is lying and who is telling the truth to the court Further, the prayer itself was - there were more than five hundred police officers indifferently sitting on the lawns of Alexander Park, on the roadway, in the middle of sidewalks, on steps of underground passages and even on parapets - there were administrative protocols under Articles 20 of the head of the Administrative Code (uncoordinated meetings) and under other articles of the federal and regional Administrative Offenses Code - there wasn’t. Despite all this, according to the court, there was no violation of citizens by the omission of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... "

                  http://shaptchits.livejournal.com/22716.html
              2. karbofos
                karbofos April 28 2013 16: 29 New
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                ok in Samarkand, you imagine a religious procession in saudi arabia belay
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 10: 38 New
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            Quote: Murat 09
            , I agree, we have Muslims, unfortunately, the coverage of Islam, the right Muslims, etc. is not developed.

            Where is that Islamic world for an alliance with which you are calling?
            Quote: Murat 09
            I’ll say to myself, I personally know dozens of people,

            And I see millions of those who kill with shouts allah akbar!
          3. Nachkar237
            Nachkar237 April 28 2013 11: 00 New
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            Murat 09, in your opinion only those professing Islam do not drink, do not steal, do not walk, behave normally precisely because they are believers? That is, among the Orthodox there are none, or, say, those who profess Buddhism, etc.? In my opinion, your statement is one-sided! I can also say that Muslims need to receive Orthodox baptism - and everyone will be fine! (if only because Orthodoxy has never been belligerent. Have you ever heard of the war between the Orthodox and the infidels because of their different faiths? I don’t! But that's the way it is!) In general, we must live together! Personally, I am not against the neighborhood of Muslims, not against their faith, everyone decides for himself what to believe, only this is the highlight - Muslim neighbors should respect my faith, treat it the same way I treat them if Muslims live in the native Russian region, then let those residents, orders and customs be respected and that will be right! Have you ever seen at least one extremist speech of Orthodox believers somewhere in Dagestan, Chechnya, Tatarstan? And even this you can’t wait to convert to Islam as soon as possible, personally, like many Orthodox, I don’t need this, I have no desire to convert everyone to Orthodoxy, because the strength of our faith is that it is not imposed! Only through tolerance and respect for each other will something happen! We always lived side by side together, so why spoil it?

            In general, it seems to me that it is necessary: ​​ALL TO LIVE WITH CONSCIENCE AND TO STEP FOR JUSTICE! Treat people the way you want them to relate to you! (and let it be the national idea of ​​a new Russia)
            1. Cheloveck
              Cheloveck April 30 2013 00: 17 New
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              Quote: Murat 09
              Therefore, I am for the union of Islam and Russia, because then Russia can very quickly regain its power and influence in the world.

              It’s probably difficult to come up with more nonsense.
              Hmm.
              Murat 09, you consider yourself a true Muslim, sort of like ...
              But in this case, you must know the Qur'an by heart, know the Sunnah ...
              Do you not know that you live in the "gift of al-habr" (territory of the war), because where you live Sharia law is not respected.
              And your task is to turn the gift of al-harb into the gift of al-Islam (the territory of Islam) by all means, this is stated in the Qur'an and confirmed by the Sunna.
              You, as the “right” Muslim, should know that peaceful coexistence with the “people of the scripture” is possible only in two cases when they are too strong (you should obey and wait a moment), or when they pay “jizya” (tax on faith) ) and are second-class people. Polytheists, atheists, shamanists and other Buddhists are simply subject to destruction if they do not accept Islam.
              I hope the corresponding quotes from the Qur'an "in Arabic, clear", you know, as well as the corresponding hadith?

              What kind of union of Russia and Islam on this basis can we talk about?
              The universal adoption of Islam?
              Or should Russia clear the world for the victorious tread of Islam?

              Quote: Nachkar237
              only here is the highlight - the Muslim neighbors should respect my faith, treat it the same way as I do about them, if Muslims live in the native Russian region, then let those residents, orders and customs be respected and that will be right!

              Nachkar237, I hope you understand that your wish is not realizable.
              And the fact that they lived together peacefully, despite the fact that Islam was weak and state power is strong.
              Now the conditions are changing. (An example of Chechnya to you as an example)
              1. Sergey_K
                Sergey_K April 30 2013 00: 33 New
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                And why do you think that he does not understand this? He and all the other Muslims understand this very well and are waging a quiet war.
          4. dizelniy
            dizelniy April 28 2013 11: 41 New
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            Religion regulates the moral and ethical side of human life. Following a person’s standards is determined by the upbringing and atmosphere in society, which algorithms and behaviors are imposed. It is very important to understand that all attempts to present any religion as more correct are a conscious or unconscious attempt to disunite peoples, to pit them, to switch attention from true problems to imaginary .
            1. Nachkar237
              Nachkar237 April 28 2013 11: 51 New
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              dizelniy, "Religion regulates the moral and ethical side of a person’s life. Following a person’s standards is determined by the upbringing and atmosphere in society, which algorithms and styles of behavior are imposed." - not so certain! Because it should not be confused, the word planting, with cultural traditions, as these are different things! In other words, an example: a child was born, grows up and is brought up in a family with certain cultural traditions and religions, and THIS IS LOGIC that he is instilled with family values ​​for this family! This is not called imposition, but education! An imposition will be as if people from a neighboring family pointed to this one, then how to educate them, what faith to profess - THIS IS ALREADY AN OBSESSION! I’m not saying that Islam or Orthodoxy is “imposed” (according to your words) from birth! I mean that Orthodoxy as a religion is not imposed by the Orthodox, people of other faiths, including Islam! Islam, Muslims in particular, often do not recognize other faiths! Otherwise, they would have no concept - "wrong"!
            2. does it
              does it April 28 2013 12: 33 New
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              Quote: dizelniy
              Religion regulates the moral and ethical side of human life.

              pardon me! so what does it regulate there? more precisely, please ...
              1. Rakti-kali
                Rakti-kali April 28 2013 18: 29 New
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                Quote: kvirit
                pardon me! so what does it regulate there? more precisely, please ...

                Morality http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral
                Ethics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics
            3. Che
              Che 1 May 2013 09: 30 New
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              Separation of people according to religious grounds, this is a whip in the hands of the enemies of Russia, and it is actively used. Saudi money works against us, the authorities do not want to see this. Or maybe they just don’t want or can’t oppose anything in return. In ancient times, there was no such infection on the territory of Eurasia - separation by religion, strange as it may seem, everyone got along.
          5. APASUS
            APASUS April 28 2013 14: 14 New
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            Quote: Murat 09
            I personally know dozens of people who believe, there are officials who don’t drink, don’t steal, don’t walk, behave normally because they are Believers

            You can largely agree with you or not, but the ideas of those who are now shouting Tahrir win in Muslim society.
            Those attempts by traditional Islam to oppose extremist ideas have no particular results.
            What are the problems of Muslim society ???
            Why is one of the oldest religions in the world inferior to a handful of preachers of a new formation ?? Why are young people not following their ancestors ??
            In my opinion, Islamic society is on the eve of enormous changes!
          6. alexng
            alexng April 29 2013 12: 33 New
            +1
            Murat, the error of any believer is that they think that their faith is the most correct, and that if there is only one religion in the world and everything will be in chocolate at once. I must immediately upset you. Nature (for whom, this is God, and for whom, it is Allah, etc.) has created so much diversity in the world and continues to create and does not tolerate 100% uniforms. Any species should not exceed 20% of the total number of similar ones and this is a red line, and the norm is eo "biblical" (more precisely, the oldest) tithe, i.e. 10%. And by and large, the Union fell apart due to the fact that the number of members of the ruling party exceeded this line, everything else is just a consequence and far-fetched. Everything that exceeds this line, Mother Nature simply destroys. Is that what you want for your faith? Islam (maybe this will be a revelation for you) refers to Western religions. So the three western religions Christianity, Judaism, and Muslims from the moment of their appearance are constantly fighting among themselves. While the eastern religions coexist peacefully and they did not start a single war on religious grounds, except for territorial claims. And all just because they do not impose their faith and the exclusivity of their religion on anyone. And I am still disappointing for some Christians, but the most militant religion is Christianity in its western embodiment: Catholics and Protestants, who in the last millennia have been the initiators of almost all the wars on Earth.
            1. Che
              Che 1 May 2013 09: 36 New
              0
              Orthodoxy by and large on the side of Catholics and Protestants. Protestants created capitalism as an extreme form of individuality. Orthodoxy has always fought for the public interests of the country and civilization as a whole.
        2. dmitreach
          dmitreach April 28 2013 12: 08 New
          +6
          Good day to all. I am not a nationalist. I am a "statesman". For me, the Tatar is also a “distant relative” if he taught Pushkin at school. But. What to do with this?
          The Rostov newspaper Crime and Corruption conducted its own investigation of an international incident involving the beating of Ingush and Russians by Russians in the village of Rassvet, Aksaysky District, on the night of January 7-8. (year 2013)

          Details:
          http://www.vsesmi.ru/news/6676733/10698957/
          1. Anti
            Anti April 28 2013 12: 21 New
            +4
            Quote: dmitreach
            But. What to do with this?


            The investigator and the operational duty officer dismiss and institute criminal proceedings against them for a bribe.
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach April 28 2013 12: 41 New
              +2
              Lawyer, would be literate guys ...
              Yes. So it goes...
              1. Anti
                Anti April 28 2013 13: 02 New
                0
                Here is interesting, what is the reaction of the district prosecutor to this decision?
                1. dmitreach
                  dmitreach April 28 2013 14: 36 New
                  +2
                  in the internet of information - no. foreign vacuum. media theme, aki Terra Incognito, for Columbus ... request
                  1. Anti
                    Anti April 28 2013 15: 37 New
                    +1
                    Something I found.http: //prokrf.ru/161279

                    Participants in a mass brawl in Aksaysky district came under investigation
                    10.01.2013

                    On the night of January 7-8, 2013 in the village. The dawn of the Aksai district near the Tatyana cafe was a mass brawl, as a result of which bodily injuries of varying severity were inflicted on all participants of the fight, with which they were taken to medical institutions in Aksay and Rostov-on-Don.

                    Despite this, the conflict was not settled, but continued in the reception department of the MBUZ CRH Aksay district.

                    On this fact, the territorial police department opened criminal cases under paragraph 3 of Art. 111 of the Criminal Code (intentional infliction of grievous bodily harm) and part 2 of article 213 of the Criminal Code (hooliganism).

                    Currently, the district prosecutor's office is checking the legality and timeliness of the actions of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Aksay district, on leaving the place of crime, preventing mass brawl and committing other crimes and offenses.

                    In general, the investigator Bocharova of the Aksay district is an interesting person.

                    http://otto-cazz.livejournal.com/852801.html
                  2. Anti
                    Anti April 28 2013 16: 01 New
                    +2
                    here's more about her ..

                    A criminal case has been instituted in the Rostov Region against the investigator of the ATSA police department.
                    http://news.nradio.ru/archives/972

                    The other day we became aware of new shocking facts that confirm our assumption. SKHPK received not 10 million, but 11 million 27 thousand rubles. The first tranche in the amount of 4 million 220 thousand was received at the end of 2007. The second, in the amount of 6 million 827 thousand, - at the end of 2008. In the verification materials, the second tranche is painted to the smallest detail. Investigator Bocharova substantiated literally every ruble spent with numerous documents. Well, 4 million 220 thousand of inspection materials seemed to be blown out by the wind. Not found! Or not looking?
                    http://www.krestianin.ru/articles/21777.php
                  3. dmitreach
                    dmitreach April 28 2013 23: 29 New
                    +1
                    hi interesting. I’ll go to read it. psb.
    2. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 April 29 2013 12: 16 New
      +2
      I watched the video, you’ll excuse me, believing Muslim citizens, but I saw only sheer lack of culture and rudeness. The calls of this deg. Nerat from the platform and the responses of the crowd - b. For another there is no name. But the whole horror is that this crowd can be sent anywhere and the next time they can go to slaughter and kill others, under the calls of some deb.la, faithfully believing that Allah directs them. To force women to take off their shoes on the street, to threaten a woman - can normal people behave this way, men whom they consider themselves to be?
  2. FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN April 28 2013 10: 40 New
    +6
    No, you are not to blame ....that we are smoking , we drink too much ...... but you put your hand to it ...... all the nonsense comes from Islamic countries ...... or local pious Muslims do not see this? Or maybe that's what you intended? Come on, show what good Muslims you are, stop the flow of heroin from the south and southeast ....... Or do the wrong believers live there?

    .And about the crusades... they hit the point .... Yes, they fought with the Muslims over the tomb of the Lord .... But it was only the 11th-13th centuries ....... And it turns out, thanks to your conclusions, that the countries of Islam are still there live in the era of the early Middle Ages ...
    1. Murat 09
      Murat 09 April 28 2013 10: 59 New
      -7
      Igor, all the nonsense comes not from Islamic countries, as you put it, but from Afghanistan occupied by the USA, when the Taliban were there, there were no drugs there, learn the mat. Part))).
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 11: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Murat 09
        Igor, all the nonsense comes not from Islamic countries, as you put it, but from Afghanistan occupied by the USA

        And from which countries is terrorism coming?
        1. Civil
          Civil April 28 2013 12: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Murat 09
          Igor, all the nonsense comes not from Islamic countries, as you put it, but from Afghanistan occupied by the USA

          And from which countries is terrorism coming?

          organized? from USA
          1. smile
            smile April 28 2013 13: 23 New
            +3
            Civil
            Wahhabis, too, the Americans came up with? ... or the Jews?
            1. Murat 09
              Murat 09 April 28 2013 13: 27 New
              0
              And those and others.
              1. smile
                smile April 28 2013 15: 03 New
                +4
                Murat 09
                Yes? and I thought that Wahhabism was already blooming when Americans as a nation did not exist yet, and the Jews could not even think of creating the state of Israel .... if you think that they are guilty of creating these .... then please tell me when Wahhabism arose as a trend in Islam ... you will forgive me, but your answers like this suggest that you are here over us .... joke, so to speak .... please do not do so. ..no need ... okay?
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 28 2013 16: 58 New
                +5
                Quote: smile
                Yes? and I thought that Wahhabism was already blooming when Americans as a nation did not exist yet, and the Jews could not even think of creating the state of Israel .... if you think that they are guilty of creating these .... then please tell me when Wahhabism arose as a trend in Islam ... you will forgive me, but your answers like this suggest that you are here over us .... joke, so to speak .... please do not do so. ..no need ... okay?

                Hi Vladimir !!
                The fact that Wahhabism as a trend in Islam was created with the direct support of England is a well-known fact !!
                Al Wahab in those days was often met by the famous English intelligence officer Lawrence of Arabia!
                His reports to England about the meetings and about the instructions given to al-Wahhab have been preserved!
              3. smile
                smile April 28 2013 22: 49 New
                +7
                Yarbay
                Hello Yarbai! ... the Greeks accepted, by the way, a greeting - "Rejoice!" As I understand it - rejoice at life and the different changes in it ... I like it .... :)))))
                Forgive me, the Arabian pederast, with all his professionalism, could not have created a trend in Islam ... the gut is thin ..... Wahhabism originated much earlier than the moment when Great Britain extended its raking arms to the Arabian Peninsula .... of course , they at one time tried to saddle this radical movement of Islam .... how successful it is - not for me to judge .... but the trouble we have is not in the radicals, whom we, excuse me, we soak quite successfully - this generally became a routine ..... but in the supposedly unbelieving Muslim youth, who, being an underpriced part of your clergy, behave as if .... as if the Russians behaved in our Muslim republics, they wouldn’t find bones ... if the Russian people get angry ... then there’s no wet place left from them, and, unfortunately, from the guilty and innocent .... the impression is that the main part of the Muslim clergy either provokes this or does not understand this (or does not have any influence on their youth (... about bellowing from the most favored nation granted to them by the Russians ... unfortunate people forgetting that everyone who lifted us up can always be found in the same place ...- in the cemetery .... naive faith of radical Muslims that the Russian people have lost their power in view of (well, I will not give their arguments) and therefore it is possible to get puffed up before the Russians and to spoil them, using their non-malignant nature, will only lead them to that. that when they reach us, we will come to them .... we will not at the same time bring grief to the defeated ... we will only bear social security for the survivors .... I hope I said it clearly and I believe in it ..... and the bold Muslim radicals believe in this only when you pull it out of a ... good one of the pieces of the bodies of its followers and ask - well, what, dear, are the Russians, you, peacefully prevented .... in response, usually - no-no-not I'm peaceful and these ... bad ... Allah punished them ... you look at it and it becomes disgusting ... do not swear at me, Alibek, I understand perfectly well that they are degenerates ... .but really there are serious claims to the Muslim clergy and elders .... if they do not educate their youth in the right way, then we will simply have to deal with it .... you know yourself - after that they will have to be sorry .... .in general, the story is very sad ... for you and for us ....
              4. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 28 2013 23: 13 New
                +1
                Quote: smile
                I'm sorry

                Dear Vladimir, this time you will forgive me)))
                The fact is that for several years I directly fought this evil and I think I had enough information and information about the origin of this shaitanist movement !!
                And why do you think these shaitanists never call themselves Wahhabists ??
                Precisely because what I said in the previous commentary, things are well known!
                not only Laurence participated there, but also another Philippi scout, but he is already 25 years old !! Of course, I made a mistake about al-Wahhab!
                Laurence met with Faisal, but Laurence’s letters to England were preserved about what measures are being taken to develop Wahhabism !! He also took an active part in promoting Wahhabism and the Wahhabi uprising against the Ottoman Empire !!
                At the same time, as a result of the secret correspondence of the British High Commissioner in Egypt, McMahon with the Great Sheriff Mecca Hussein ibn Ali al-Hashimi, an Agreement was reached on October 24, 1915, according to which Hussein undertook to raise the Arabs to rebel against the Ottoman Empire. In return, Great Britain recognized the independence of the future Arab state of the Hashemites within its “natural borders” (part of Syria, Palestine, Iraq and the entire Arabian Peninsula, with the exception of the British protectorates and territories of Western Syria, Lebanon and Cilicia, claimed by France). In accordance with the agreement, in June 1916, detachments of the Hijaz tribes led by Hussein’s son Faisal and British Colonel T.E. Lawrence revolted. Accepting the title of king, Hussein declared the independence of the Hejaz from the Ottoman Empire. Using diplomatic recognition, he proclaimed on October 19, 1916, the independence of all Arabs from the Ottoman Empire, and 10 days later adopted the title of “King of All Arabs”. However, Britain and France, secretly violating their obligations in the spring of 1916 (Sykes-Pico agreement), recognized him only as the king of Hejaz. By July 1917, the Arabs cleared the Hijaz of the Turks and occupied the port of Aqaba. At the final stage of the war, units under the command of Faisal and T.E. Lawrence took Damascus (September 30, 1918). As a result of the Mudros Armistice concluded on October 30, 1918, the dominance of the Ottoman Empire in the Arab countries was abolished. The process of separating Hejaz (and other Arab possessions) from Turkey was finally completed in 1921 at a conference in Cairo.

                http://islam-news.ru/article/a-349.html
              5. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 28 2013 23: 21 New
                +3
                Vladimir, as regards claims to the clergy, I do not agree with you, because I am convinced that all these events that take place are prepared by the atheists precisely with the purpose of denigrating and destroying Islam !!
                I wrote my respected Nikal about this!
                Look Wahhabis mainly learn from dubious books and discs obscure and known only to Wahhabis scientists, often 20-25 years old !!
                Millions of such discs are produced in America and the West, and even in Russia !!
                And the works of famous scientists are not spread, not translated !!
                Condemning fatwas about terrorist acts and Wahhabis made by famous scientists do not publish, do not spread, do not translate !!
                Here I gave a couple of days ago a link about the attempted terrorist attack in Canada and that it was possible to avoid it thanks to the imam of one of the mosques !!
                Who wrote about this and where ???
                The fact that since last year Muslims were killed in Thailand by Buddhist monks who in the world know ??
                These are all links of one chain !!
              6. Che
                Che 1 May 2013 09: 53 New
                +1
                Alibek, here you are right, our enemies are looking for a weak spot and hurt there very painfully. The countries of Eurasia need an alliance to confront the Protestants - the capitalists.
              7. Beck
                Beck 1 May 2013 16: 25 New
                +1
                Quote: Che
                The countries of Eurasia need an alliance to confront the Protestants - the capitalists.


                In my opinion. EurAsEC is necessary for successful economic rivalry with other economic regions of the world.

                And not at all for a military confrontation, in order to certainly destroy other people, to throw them off in tartaras. Already how many in history destroyed each other, but no, it is necessary to destroy someone. What will be easier if millions of people are destroyed?
  3. Dilshat
    Dilshat April 28 2013 21: 06 New
    +1
    The Wahhabis were invented by the British secret services back in the 19th century, specifically Lawrence of Arabia.
  • Murat 09
    Murat 09 April 28 2013 13: 28 New
    +1
    Vadim, thanks for the support, aptly answered))).
  • dmitreach
    dmitreach April 28 2013 12: 17 New
    +4
    Murat 09, "Dope" (picky and without chemistry) fells, just the same from Muslim Asia ... Fact.
    1. Murat 09
      Murat 09 April 28 2013 13: 29 New
      +3
      Over 90% of the heroin produced in occupied Afghanistan under the leadership of America, Fact.
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach April 28 2013 14: 39 New
        +7
        there were no drugs, learn the mat.

        Seedlings there summer residents-OmeryGanSSY brought?
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 April 28 2013 16: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: Murat 09
    Igor, all the nonsense comes not from Islamic countries, as you put it, but from Afghanistan occupied by the USA,

    Sly again, Murat.
    With the Taliban: 1996 - 2248 tons, 1999 - 4565 tons. The Taliban levied a 10% tax on poppy and 20% tax on opium and its derivatives. The cultivated area was increased from 60 thousand ha to 90,5 thousand ha.
    Now drug production has increased 2,5 times. It can be assumed that there was a war for poppy in Afghanistan. The Taliban partially lost control of the poppy. But if they remained in power, it could be argued that the result would be the same.
  • karbofos
    karbofos April 28 2013 17: 18 New
    +9
    Murat 09 small nuance. The Taliban forbid Muslims to use drugs, but to flood the infidels with drugs and even profit from it for a “Muslim” is a good deed. part. tell the Taliban what good did ??? Ahhhh ... remembered. Buddha was blown up !!! otherwise it’s worth watching. poppy grows prevents !!! smile
    1. karbofos
      karbofos April 28 2013 17: 23 New
      0
      Poppy in Afghanistan
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 17: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: kalbofos
      Taliban forbids drug use to Muslims

      And they themselves use !!)))))
      1. karbofos
        karbofos April 28 2013 17: 41 New
        +1
        Yarbay to the point.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 28 2013 17: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: kalbofos
          Yarbay to the point.

          I know for sure, I saw))))
  • FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN April 28 2013 18: 17 New
    +1
    It was, it was ... just the flow with the advent of the United States in Afghanistan has grown ... but that's another conversation ........
    And earlier ....... during the war (of ours) in Afghanistan, it was the United States that created Ben Ladan, etc. .... and the flow of drugs was directed in the right direction .... (and save yourself and the Russians to poison) ........
  • Che
    Che 1 May 2013 09: 46 New
    0
    +++ By amers, a game with countries professing Islam is cleverly planned and carried out, with the aim of directing their efforts to destroy the last bastion of their Protestant - capitalist obscurantism. With foreign hands they want to destroy the last bastion for world domination of the golden calf. But this can only lead to the radicalization of Islam and, as a result, to a rollback in the Middle Ages. If Russia stands in this struggle, then the world will have a chance to survive in this crazy world.
  • Skiff-2
    Skiff-2 April 28 2013 14: 42 New
    +4
    “Sunni Islam” - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, monarchies of Jewish origin financing gangsters in Syria, Libya, US allies in Iraq, Afghanistan, sponsors of international terrorism and Wahhabism - exclusively peaceful and immensely humane totalitarian regimes. They are "illiterate Islamic youth and teach, the result, as they say in person.
  • krest.ros
    krest.ros April 28 2013 14: 47 New
    +8
    Whatever Sunni Islam is good, but it's a lie! And there is no truth in him. An example for Islamic youth should not be Indonesia, but Orthodox Russia. You see one side. But this is only one side of the matter. In order not to make a mistake in politics, as Stalin said, one must observe, one must also be able to see the other side. Russia is different. Not all Russians are drunk and pricked, someone carries combat duty and produces ore, steel melts and plows the earth. The hard and responsible work in Russia on their shoulders is still carried mainly by Slavs. As for drug addiction, alcoholism and other problems, to give (take) the Russian power, so we will solve them in an instant!
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus April 28 2013 15: 19 New
    +2
    Once again, we have Orthodoxy!
    1. Die-hard
      Die-hard April 28 2013 15: 20 New
      +2
      We have a secular state and religion has no place in political life.
  • anton 42
    anton 42 April 28 2013 16: 45 New
    +4
    Dear Murat 09, And your youth is only involved in sports? Not prick and steal? You know, in my shtob everything was fine, you don’t need any religions for this, but you need to learn to live with each other, understand, and not watch what I eat and drink, etc. In the USSR, in general, the church was not in law, there was an idyll. IMHO.
  • antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter April 28 2013 19: 31 New
    +5
    Quote: Murat 09
    And yet, read about the Crusades, with what slogan did they kill ah?

    What Russia and Russians have to do with the Crusades?
  • urganov
    urganov April 29 2013 11: 02 New
    +2
    It is necessary to teach young people from childhood not Islam, any orientation, not any Christianity, but culture, first of all, in the broad sense of the word. Culture attitudes towards people, nature. Everyone’s freedom ends where another person’s freedom begins. Behave to people the way you want them to treat you.
    Any religion is an absolute evil, and evil with a capital letter. Because any religion implies a dictate of the way of thinking, any religion says don’t think for yourself, you’ve already thought out everything for you, it’s up to you to act as interpreters of the fundamentals and principles of your religion tell you, and you can’t even think differently. A normal person does not need props in the form of religion or a reference to the words of ideologists to make the right decisions.
    The greatest value in the world is a person, his ability to think and create. This is it, of man, the main difference from the rest of the animal world and its mission on Earth. That is why there is such a wild pressure on freedom of thought from religious leaders of all faiths, such a struggle for the heads of young and not strong spirit.
  • Su24
    Su24 April 28 2013 23: 10 New
    -7
    Quote: Heccrbq
    No public alliances with Islam are needed,


    That’s why they set the pros for you, I don’t understand? Nobody wants to think here? An absolutely correct geopolitical plan was proposed by Murat. Russia + Islamic world is an invincible recipe.
  • tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 April 28 2013 10: 44 New
    10
    Islam today has itself become a hostage to politics and is increasingly sliding towards radicalism. The high birth rate and low standard of living in many Muslim countries are rich soil for fanatics trying to restore peace to the Middle Ages. I have nothing against ordinary Muslims, their faith and way of life, but my ancestors have their own faith and changing it means becoming a shifter, only morally broken, weak people do this.
    1. Murat 09
      Murat 09 April 28 2013 11: 00 New
      -4
      Roman, did I really say that you need to change your faith, I spoke about the union of Islam and Russia, these are different concepts.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 11: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: Murat 09
        I spoke about the union of Islam and Russia,

        Which countries of the Islamic world specifically? Maybe against the USA, so we will deal with them ourselves.
      2. Ivan.
        Ivan. April 28 2013 11: 38 New
        +4
        union of Islam and Russia


        How is this union of religion and state? In which there is already an original religion, and even which does not get along very well with Islam?
        Against who? Orthodoxy? Mythical terrorism?
        Against a hotbed of democracy and terrorism (well-known countries) actively using Islam for their own purposes?
      3. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 April 28 2013 12: 11 New
        +4
        Alas, Islam is not one today - it is torn apart from within by contradictions between different trends, different states pursue their goals. With whom to make an alliance?
        1. Murat 09
          Murat 09 April 28 2013 13: 37 New
          -7
          Roman, alas, Islam is not one, it’s true, but Russia could make an alliance with the Gulf kingdoms with their trillions of dollars, with Turkey with its powerful industry and army, with Indonesia and Malaysia with their most powerful industry and hardworking peoples. This is for example, Russia could also contribute to the unification of Islamic countries in the form of an ally, mediator. Against whom did Ivan ask this union? Against the West with its corrupt liberalistic ideology.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 13: 49 New
            +9
            Quote: Murat 09
            but Russia could make an alliance with the kingdoms of the Gulf

            Make alliances with pigs that sponsor terrorism? Sucks about Russia and Russian you think.
            Quote: Murat 09
            , with Turkey with its powerful industry and army

            With Turkey, which holds al-Qaeda camps on its territory and sends bundles of them to Syria. Good alliances you offer us, right up to nausea
            Quote: Murat 09
            Against the West with its corrupt liberalistic ideology.
            We can handle the West ourselves, not in the first. Only your royal monarchies lick the west boots and kill people with the name of Allah, even worse than the liberal west combined.
            1. Murat 09
              Murat 09 April 28 2013 14: 31 New
              -8
              I don’t communicate with you, you were already scared of talking on Skype, everything is clear with you, please do not go into my comments, I did not contact you !!!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 14: 37 New
                +5
                Quote: Murat 09
                you were already scared of talking on skype

                On a fig, I still communicate with you on skype, I have enough room for me. And if you think I will be silent when you propose an alliance with terrorists, you are very mistaken. Your royal monarchies have already created a good alliance with the United States.
                1. Murat 09
                  Murat 09 April 28 2013 14: 43 New
                  -8
                  Sing a bird, sing, shekels don’t delay your pocket ???
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 14: 51 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Murat 09
                    Sing a bird, sing, shekels don’t delay your pocket ???

                    no, what about shekels, you got excited. Many people know me by sight, so trying not to fail. It is the Islamists who now receive dollars from the amers and work out the candy.
                    I look at all your "calm" faith rifle climbed, but it was worth the wait a day laughing
                  2. Murat 09
                    Murat 09 April 28 2013 15: 28 New
                    -7
                    And where did you see that she became troubled, huh? Did I insult someone, offend me? I just do not like those who say that I have no arguments, and when I am ready to communicate, pisses and runs away. And this is my last answer to you, and so to ignore you. I will not stoop to your level. Till.
                  3. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 15: 43 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Murat 09
                    and when I'm ready to chat, piss and run away

                    So you run away, and I asked you a bunch of questions on the site, but you didn’t answer. I ran to skype. Why do I need skype when a question is asked on the site? Any questions if the man answer !!!
                  4. SPACE
                    SPACE April 28 2013 15: 48 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Murat 09
                    And where did you see that she became troubled, huh? Did I insult someone, offend me?

                    Quote: Murat 09
                    Sing a bird, sing, shekels don’t delay your pocket ???

                    Quote: Murat 09
                    I just do not like those who say that I have no arguments, and when I am ready to communicate, pisses and runs away

                    Today he does not like ... already? quickly however, but what will happen tomorrow?
                  5. karbofos
                    karbofos April 28 2013 17: 36 New
                    +4
                    Murat 09 how do you feel about slavery in Islam?
                  6. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 April 28 2013 17: 40 New
                    +4
                    Quote: kalbofos
                    Murat 09 how do you feel about slavery in Islam?

                    All the will of Allah wassat
                  7. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 17: 44 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Quote: kalbofos
                    Murat 09 how do you feel about slavery in Islam?

                    All the will of Allah wassat

                    minus is also by the will of Allah laughing
                    Ruslan, put skype in the end am
                  8. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 April 28 2013 17: 50 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Ruslan, put skype in the end

                    Let me give you my address am -With him on this subject, and say, And I already got up request
                  9. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 18: 01 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Let me give you my address

                    I didn’t try to beat him laughing
                  10. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 April 28 2013 18: 03 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    I didn’t try to beat him

                    Black belt against old GRUSHNIK wassat BOTH IN GLASSES - A CATCH lol After that, the grandson really began to grab the knife off the table too confidently. what
            2. karbofos
              karbofos April 28 2013 17: 45 New
              +4
              unfortunately with this phrase Islam justifies EVERYTHING sad
      4. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 28 2013 16: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I look at all your "calm" faith rifle climbed, but it was worth the wait a day

        Sanya, I think you're unfair to a friend!))
        His aspirations are right!
        Or did I miss something?
      5. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 17: 22 New
        +6
        Quote: Yarbay
        His aspirations are right!
        Or did I miss something?

        Alibek, he proposes an alliance with Qatar, the Saudis who sponsor terrorism are insanity !!! I asked him a bunch of questions, but he didn’t answer one, he pulls everything into Skype. Why do I need his answers in Skype, let him write his answer here. He just doesn’t write, but only minuses and calls me a link, and even Israeli wassat
      6. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 28 2013 17: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , he proposes an alliance with Qatar, the Saudis who sponsor terrorism are insanity !!!

        Well, after the Communist Party and the workers of Qatar and the Saudi * accident * take power in my hands, I, too, For)))
        And so they are insolent!
        The beating of the Russian ambassador in Qatar already says that they are swollen!
      7. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 April 28 2013 17: 36 New
        +6
        Quote: Yarbay
        well after the Communist Party and the workers of Qatar and the Saudi * accident *

        Imagine a picture of the emir of Qatar at the head of the harem goes at 4 am camels to milk at the farm wassat
      8. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 28 2013 17: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Ruslan67
        Imagine a picture of the emir of Qatar at the head of the harem goes at 4 am camels to milk at the farm

        Well, the harem is just a room at the Muslim house, where women live, not necessarily wives))))))) (from the word Haram, it is forbidden!) When someone came to visit, for example, they said Haram there!)))) )))
        polygamy has nothing to do))
        Do not take it with you)))
      9. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 April 28 2013 18: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Yarbay
        they said Haram there!))))

        Aha wassat And the forbidden fruit is sweet repeat Gotta be full fool to indicate exactly where to get into love
      10. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 28 2013 18: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Ruslan67
        It is necessary to be complete in order to accurately indicate the place where you need to climb


        So it was like a warning shot, so that the type did not say that he was lost)))))))))))))))
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 17: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Yarbay
    Well, after the Communist Party and the workers of Qatar and the Saudi * accident * take power in my hands, I, too, For))

    Then welcome to the vehicle laughing
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 28 2013 17: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Then welcome to the vehicle

    Normal move good Cut gas pipes to metal from oil rigs to parachute to attract tourists and tell the whole world that the economy is growing at an unprecedented rate. Only camels and a harem feel sorry for them - they will die from a nonsense crying
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 28 2013 17: 52 New
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Then welcome to the vehicle


    I'm all for it)))))
    But after Armenia ends up outside the CSTO !!))
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 28 2013 17: 55 New
    +4
    Quote: Yarbay
    But after Armenia ends up outside the CSTO !!))

    Not right! how can their slaughter be left unattended? again, after all, they’ll fit into some kind of laughing
  • Murat 09
    Murat 09 April 28 2013 18: 44 New
    -4
    Alibek, hi. I don’t understand why it is impossible to conclude an alliance with the Kingdom of the Gulf, they have trillions of dollars that they could invest in the reindustrialization of Russia, here the comrades shout-sponsors of terrorism, the sponsors of terrorism, because the main sponsor is the United States, and offer these comrades an equal alliance from the USA, they’ll be the first to run there. And finally, is it possible in politics to have emotions, in politics one should first place the interests of the country. It’s interesting, where are these screaming comrades going to take money for the reindustrialization of the country, and ?? After all, according to minimum estimates, $ 2 trillion is needed.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 28 2013 18: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: Murat 09
    I don’t understand why you cannot make an alliance with the Kingdom of the Gulf, they have trillions of dollars

    Are you serious??
    Do you really think these shaitanists are independent ??
    They have a master and have goals !!!
    The first goal is to maintain your power!
    The second denigrate Islam!
    You know what the Prophet of Muslims and Ali said about an alliance with hypocrites and unjust people!
    about money, there are many options where to get!
  • Normal
    Normal April 28 2013 21: 18 New
    +8
    Quote: Murat 09
    in politics, the interests of the country should be put at the forefront.

    Well, it’s not possible to endure it. And Islam has nothing to do with it. Here, it seems to me, Islam hides the well-known desire of representatives of the North Caucasus to impose their will on everyone. This is not determined by religion (Anglo-Saxons were originally not Muslims but always try to impose their own rules on everyone). This is a national character trait that is only strengthened by Islam and is covered by Islam.
    Murat is campaigning for an alliance between Russia and Islam. Allegedly, this is in the interests of Russia. The interest of fellow tribesmen and fellow believers of Murat is obvious. They want to get settled, resource-rich territory. They want to be the masters of Russia, they want us to either accept Islam or disappear from the historical scene. This is the cost of a raiding culture, only now they want not to go to Russia for slaves, but for the “slaves” to give them their country. But where does the interests of Russia? Is it in Russia's interests to replace the Slavic population with migrants from the North Caucasus and Central Asia? According to Murat, it turns out that it is so. And for me, this is already the usual desire of the "Caucasians" to separate us, to impose their will on us. All attempts to explain to the Caucasians that it’s so impossible that they don’t climb into a foreign monastery with their charter, that they are visiting Russia, that they must behave decently are useless and are perceived by the Caucasians only as disobedience, and cause in it only a desire to suppress this disobedience. This is not a cure, it is developed and secured by centuries of raiding economies. This is a national trait and Islam is just a cover, a religious justification for expansion.
  • Che
    Che 1 May 2013 10: 07 New
    0
    The idea is not bad, but not yet feasible, since the influence of the Protestant capitalists in these countries prevails over common sense. Three bolts in their throats and an anchor in the back seat.
  • Kaa
    Kaa April 28 2013 17: 56 New
    +8
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    he proposes an alliance with Qatar, the Saudis who sponsor terrorism are insanity !!!
    The most reasonable Europeans, the Germans, already understood the Salafism of the Saudis and KATORALS, and he wants to sign Russia for this matter, all the people lost in life!
    "Three ultra-conservative Salafi organizations were banned in Germany, which, according to the Ministry of the Interior, said they wanted to abolish democracy and establish a system based on Sharia or Islamic law. The ministry said it banned the organization of DawaFFM, Islamische Audios and An-Nussrah which are part of the Millatu Ibrahim group, banned last June, about 20 people were searched and questioned, and property belonging to these organizations was seized, the Interior Ministry said. “The Salafism represented by these organizations is incompatible with our free democratic order, "said Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich." They seek to aggressively, belligerently change our society so that democracy is replaced by the Salafi system and the rule of law by Sharia. ”A ban that came into force in the western states of Hesse and the North Rhine -Westphalia, was the next step taken by the German authorities, strengthening mi observation of the Salafists, adhering to the radical version of Islam. About 4000 Salafis live in Germany. They make up a small part of the country's total Muslim population, numbering about 4 million people. Minister Friedrich said that this step was made as part of the efforts of the center-right government of Chancellor Angela Merkel to promote a tolerant and respectful relationship with a large number of peace-loving Muslims in Germany. - Based on Reuters prepared by Arik Rubman http://www.zman.com/news/2013/03/15/147104.html
    BTW, ISRAELI SITE, HERE SOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING ABOUT SHEKELS, I AM NOT SLIGHTY, WHERE TO RECORD QUEUE? "I will buy a suit with a low tide - and to Yalta!" laughing
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 28 2013 17: 32 New
    +2
    Judging by your famous brackets, nothing bully hi
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 April 28 2013 16: 38 New
    10
    Quote: Murat 09
    but Russia could make an alliance with the kingdoms of the Gulf with their trillions of dollars, with Turkey with its powerful industry and army

    Fuck not get up.
    Hidden dreams of a world caliphate and propaganda thereof. Murat you or haloperidol course, if you are not yourself .....
    Well, if quite consciously, then you’re sorry the enemy.
    You know what the scenario of all this is. First, the alliance, how to reprimand Islam and Russia against the West, its absorption, and then the transformation of Russia into one of the uluses of the Great World Caliphate.
    Everyone understands that neither the West nor the East can do anything against each other without Russia. We are neither the West nor the East, we are the Center.
    Wherever we go, the whole world will go there. So I advise you to stop your agitation, you will not find support.
    Pray in silence, without calls, Allah your zeal can be appreciated .....
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 17: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: baltika-18
      . So I advise you to stop your agitation, you will not find support.
      Pray in silence, without calls, Allah your zeal can be appreciated

      They do not know how to quietly, it is necessary to show and as loud as possible.
  • 416494
    416494 April 28 2013 18: 49 New
    +8
    Murat 09.You talk so famously with whom Russia could conclude an alliance that a question arises about your age. The Gulf kingdoms have been US satellites since ancient times and they now, with the light hand of the USA, finance, supply arms, and provide mercenaries with a coup in Syria .Turkey during perestroika gained access to all parts of Russia professing Islam, and that Turkish lyceums began to open in which they began to teach non-traditional Islam, in short, they trained personnel for terrorists, many lyceums had to be closed. Turkey will never be an ally of Russia, although trade and cooperation is developing. In Soviet times, Khrushchev gave Indonesia 2 submarines of 613 projects and one TFR, as I was obliged, I had to prepare a submarine team and transfer the boat. I didn’t see the people lazier and dumber, although I had to wander around the world. There is no powerful industry in Indonesia or Malaysia. Yes, there are many foreign companies, because there are very cheap labor and small taxes, but this is not a screwdriver assembly. I all his life, one might say he lived in Bashkiria, where a very colorful population in the national sense, all nationalities until recently lived tolerantly, without straining who he is. Now this strain is felt and I consider only the national elite and the leadership of the republics to be guilty, because there is nothing for the common people to share.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop April 28 2013 19: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: 416494
      I’ve lived all my life, one might say in Bashkiria, where a very motley population in the national sense, all nationalities, until recently lived tolerantly, without straining who he is.
      It may be strange, but as far as the Bashkirs met in life, the guys rarely came across more intelligently and diligently. Maybe I was just lucky with these, but ... fact
  • dmitreach
    dmitreach April 28 2013 12: 22 New
    +2
    Islam is different. Which is legitimate? Let me remind you that among the "Christians" there is no agreement. The whole "Christian" Evropa attacked the USSR. Both World Wars began in the "heart" of the "Christian world" Catholic Protestant Lutheran Orthodox. Romania is among the Allies of the Führer, mostly Orthodox.
    Moreover, Islam, which has been constantly boiling for centuries. Afgan didn’t know the world at all. All the bloodiest wars are religious.
  • Garrin
    Garrin April 28 2013 12: 25 New
    +6
    Quote: Murat 09
    Roman, did I really say that you need to change your faith, I spoke about the union of Islam and Russia, these are different concepts.

    Is Islam already singled out as a separate state? Or did you mean the Great Caliphate? It is painfully sweet, you, Murat, are covering our ears with sorbet.
    Gently lay, but I feel it will be hard to sleep. And the Russians have always and adequately treated all religions, just do not meddle with us, you are our sweet-voiced. First you’ll sing, then throats, how you will cut sheep. am
    1. Murat 09
      Murat 09 April 28 2013 13: 40 New
      -7
      Igor, and you give an example when in Islamic countries, as you put it, they cut their throats, the most tolerant ones were Islamic countries. Read the story, in the Islamic countries there were no pogroms of the same Jews, or Christians. Less watch the Western media, it is harmful to nervous health))).
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 April 28 2013 15: 47 New
        +7
        Quote: Murat 09
        Read the story, in the Islamic countries there were no pogroms of the same Jews, or Christians.

        Murat, Murat .... there is no lie for good.
        From recent memory: Lahore in Pakistan, Zigazig in Egypt, Orissa in Tunisia, about 1,5 thousand of the 200 million Christians left in Iraq
        And if you search on the Internet, then dozens of examples can be found.
        1. Murat 09
          Murat 09 April 28 2013 18: 49 New
          -2
          Nicholas, all these pogroms happened during anarchy, the same Iraq, that the Iraqis are to blame for the civil war in which everyone, including Christians, or all the same Americans, is dying. I'm talking about the periods when the Islamic countries functioned.
      2. Kaa
        Kaa April 28 2013 18: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: Murat 09
        Read the story, there were no pogroms of the same Jews or Christians in Islamic countries
        One of the most ancient references to such acts is a Muslim, believe him? "One of the most famous chronicles is the chronicles of the Syrian chronicler Bar Ebray. Among other things, this chronicles describes the beating of Christians in Iraq in 1285. A gang of Kurds and Arabs, numbering several thousand people, was going to destroy all Christians in the Makosil region. Then the Christians" gathered their women and children and went to seek refuge in the castle that once belonged to the uncle of the Prophet named Nakib al-Alawiyin, in the hope that the robbers would respect this place and save their lives. The rest of the Christians did not know where to hide , because there wasn’t enough space for everyone in the castle, they trembled with fear and mourned their sad fate with hot tears, although in reality those who took refuge in the castle were the first to die. ”The chronicle further states that, despite the sanctity of this place, the bandits stormed it and slaughtered everyone who sought refuge there, then they cut all the Christians in the city, and then set to work for the Jews http://www.gumer.info/bogoslov_Buks /Iudaizm/Pol_IstAntisem/5_1.php
        About the rest of the centuries, there Byzantium, the Balkans, South Russia and other countries, I think everyone is in the know?
        1. Murat 09
          Murat 09 April 28 2013 18: 34 New
          0
          Kaa, I said, in Islamic countries, and this, as you yourself said, was a gang, it probably killed Muslims, I’m talking about the state policy of Islamic countries. There, Christians and Jews enjoyed the protection of the state, and the case you described happened just after the yellow crusade of the Mongols and Eastern Christians, when the Khorezm kingdom and the Baghdad Caliphate were defeated and there was anarchy.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 28 2013 18: 37 New
            -2
            Quote: Murat 09
            Kaa, I said, in Islamic countries, and this, as you yourself said, was a gang, it probably killed Muslims, I’m talking about the state policy of Islamic countries. There, Christians and Jews enjoyed the protection of the state, and the case you described happened just after the yellow crusade of the Mongols and Eastern Christians, when the Khorezm kingdom and the Baghdad Caliphate were defeated and there was anarchy.


            Here I completely agree with you!
            The letter of the Prophet of Muslims to the monastery of St. Catherine has been preserved!
            I have repeatedly lined up the text, if there is a need to line it again!
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 28 2013 22: 55 New
          +3
          The letter of the prophet to the monastery of St. Catherine has been preserved!

          The promise to the monastery of St. Katerina:
          “This message from Muhammad, the son of Abdullah, may it be an agreement with those who accepted Christianity, far or close, we are with them.
          Truly, I, helpers and my followers protect them, because Christians are our fellow citizens, and by the will of Allah I oppose everything that can offend them.
          No coercion shall apply to them. Just as their judges will not be removed from their posts, so their monks will not be expelled from the monasteries. Nobody will destroy the house of their religion and damage it and will not take away a single thing from it to the homes of Muslims.
          If someone takes this or that thing from there, he will break God's instructions and disobey his prophet. Truly, they are my allies, who have secured my guarantee of security against everything that they hate.
          No one will force them to move from place to place or participate in battles. Muslims must fight for them. If a Christian marries a Muslim, this should happen only with her consent. It is forbidden to prevent her from attending church for prayers. Their churches should be respected. No need to stop them from rebuilding their churches and maintaining the holiness of their Testaments.
          None of the Muslims shall violate this agreement until the Day of Judgment. ”
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop April 28 2013 19: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Murat 09
        and you give an example
        And what does the state education (country) have to do with it? Although ... Crimea will do? Theodosius (then Kafa) with its largest slave market in the Black Sea. Or a plan for the Tatar cleansing of Crimea in 1941, which Hitler (!) Rejected as "inhuman"? On the wall of the German commandant’s office of Yalta, under the Germans, there was an inscription: “For 1 Russian killed 5 Tatars were shot”. The building has survived until now, you can scrape off the post-war paint ...
  • smile
    smile April 28 2013 13: 34 New
    +6
    Murat 09
    And you didn’t notice that our attitude to Islam deteriorates only when Muslims either begin to slaughter all non-Muslims, or try to arrange their order with us under the guise of their religiosity? And this, as you should be aware, is often not Wahhabi. So you say that you have the right Islam, but the wrong one ... your Muslim opponents say that you have the wrong one ... and regardless of the degree of correctness, which is difficult for us to understand, the mess in our cities just suits mostly Muslim youth brought up in the spirit of aggressive superiority before us. Mlyn, kyafirs .... why don’t you deal with them yourself? ... just don’t say that the Russians ruined the peaceful and hardworking Muslim youth ... completely, by the way, the unbeliever ....
  • zart_arn
    zart_arn April 28 2013 11: 23 New
    +9
    ANYONE is not a Muslim for Akbarov’s wrong - “gyaur", "shaitan", etc. etc.
    What kind of union can there be? Do you offer to accept Islam? Do not wait.
  • smile
    smile April 28 2013 13: 12 New
    +8
    Murat
    What could be the union between one of the religions - not the most widespread in Russia and a multiconfessional state? Maybe you meant Orthodoxy?
    Allied, who's stopping you? I am for! Orthodoxy can be an example for you in a moral rebirth ... maybe you can finally deal with your aggressive radical Islamists, dark semi-literate not-very-human beings who accompany their grave crimes with praises of Allah ... and I not only mean those which pants are in socks and which their god forbade cowards to wear (see as punishment), and those who, being deliberately religious, impose on us an alien culture and try to arrange our own ways with us ... by the way, you were poorly taught - for us the West is not is an example ... I hope for you an example is not the place where Islam originated - where Wahhabism is now flourishing ... so let's call it ...
    And minus I will express
    1. The instant appeal of people from places where Islam previously prevailed, to religion did not pass without a trace. The vast majority of newly-minted Muslims are not believers; this is a fashion trend among your youth. They adopt the external - demonstrative, but being unbelievers at heart they simply hide behind Islam to restore our order in us, consider it for destructive purposes ...
    2.Next, your Islamic community has not coped with the radicalization of your community, especially young ones. It seems that your priests either have no influence on the youth, or, if they have, use their influence against us. A significant part of your clergy not only does not cope with the upbringing of youth, on the contrary, it fosters a sense of superiority over non-Muslims, in no way fosters humility and respect for our customs among young people.
    3. Further, I hope I will not reveal to you a secret if I inform you. that a non-muslim is no worse than a muslim? I hope so too. that you know that a non-believer is no worse than a Muslim. and often better?
    This is so, with a swoop and just what is lying on the surface ....
    1. Kaa
      Kaa April 28 2013 18: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: smile
      This is so, with a swoop and just what is lying on the surface ...

      And if you recall, what is not on the surface, but in the pants? This shortening must be done, Russian women will not understand us ... laughing
      1. smile
        smile April 28 2013 23: 32 New
        +6
        Kaa
        :))))) C'mon ... :))))) Russian women will not just not understand .... they will actively express their position! :)))) By the way, the stupid part of modern Muslim youth is absolutely not ready for. .. with a frying pan on the head ... for these narrow-minded narrow-breasted narrow-breasted women, the idea that the Russian women were the only ones, the women who wet the Luftwaffe as part of the fighter regiment, who mastered the Pe 2 dive bombers, could not create any Muslim Muslim units ... despite the full support of the Russians, unlike our women, who acted in opposition to the opposition of the male part of our society ..... apparently, we should more insistently introduce Muslim youth into the half-empty heads (if they were full, they would not behave like that ) and respect for Russian women, too, you see, the task of the Russians .... their leaders and the clergy washed their hands ..... it’s time to either dirty their hands or set their brains ...... although we would like to peacefully ... .so force the same !!!!! ..... and for themselves, it doesn’t see what d even our girls are cooler than their entire teips, clans and other wild formations .... zasr ... tsev who consider themselves warriors ... to the first fear. When they are taken by the throat ... then they are instantly renamed as civilians ... pooh on these warriors of Allah! If such warriors are like him ... then Allah is regrettable .... I do not want to insult Muslim believers, I want to poke them into the livelihood of Muslim communities .... we do not like this!
        1. Kaa
          Kaa April 29 2013 00: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: smile
          it is necessary to more insistently introduce Muslim youth into half-empty heads (if they were full, they wouldn’t behave like that) and respect for Russian women too,
          It is necessary for Muslim youth to give out photo albums with such photos for free, if Allah hasn’t taken everyone’s mind away yet, someone will make the right conclusion ... well, and the rest, let them dream of meeting with the gurians faster ... with these 3000 it counted ...
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  • Bezarius
    Bezarius April 28 2013 15: 17 New
    +5
    Islam will never be accepted by Russians because of the disrespect of women by those who profess Islam. A Russian person will never respect someone who does not respect a woman. He who does not respect a woman has nothing to protect, he has no honor. Who has nothing to protect and no honor - a coward and a wimp. These logical conclusions are confirmed by centuries of practice. In the end, the tree must be judged by its fruits. And Islam has painfully rotten fruits.

    PS: this is not an attempt to offend Islam and its professors, it is only IMHO built on logical reasoning.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc April 28 2013 15: 52 New
      +1
      I have been working for many years in a female team and I see a completely opposite picture - the sheer triumph of feminism around - 80% of men are so modest and decent, and women on the contrary are punchy, over-active and even sometimes arrogant !!! It is still unknown who will protect someone :)))
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus April 28 2013 15: 18 New
    +3
    For more than a thousand years, Russia has borne the cross of Orthodoxy. In the Holy Gospel, it is readily spoken according to what moral standards we should live.
    And if we do not want to live by these laws, then here is Christianity, that Islam, that the devil of a poker.
    Happy holiday to all of you, the entry of the Lord into Jerusalem.
  • Vashestambid
    Vashestambid April 28 2013 16: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: Murat 09
    I agree with your post, Vladimir, everyone said clearly! Therefore, I am for the union of Islam and Russia,

    belay This comment is like a groin strike for Russians !! laughing

    Islam is a religion, and the union between the state and religion does not happen, especially if the Muslim countries do not get along with each other what to expect from an alliance with "unbelievers" !! fool

  • Joker
    Joker April 28 2013 17: 51 New
    +7
    Sorry, guys, but it’s unpleasant to listen to you. Islam-Orthodoxy, Orthodoxy-Islam, Muslim-Orthodox, Orthodox-Muslim. We live in the 21 century in the SECOND STATE !!!!!! Faith is purely personal and secret, be at least druids, at least elves with gnomes, the indicator should be education and intelligence, and faith in general should not play any role.
    There are about 2 billions of Muslims in the world, this is a huge market that can allow Russia to preserve the technologies of the beginning of the 90's following the crisis, Islam can also become an example for the moral revival of the Russian people

    How can Islam become an example? Let's hit everything in faith, close space programs, and why fly, anyway, the Bible or the Koran says that God created everything. Let's not conduct research in the field of artificial growth of internal organs, close all hospitals, God will cure if that, and artificial creation of a person is generally blasphemy because only God can create life because there is no soul in the artificially created, right ?? Why do we need science, after all, everything is clear, everything is created by God, God will help if something happens, should we pray in vain? If you want to believe, believe, but you don’t need to flaunt everything and make others accept your faith, they say, not Orthodox or Russian. The same thing with atheists, don’t believe and don’t go to believers, I don’t go and give advice on how you and your wife should do sex better, and faith is a secret thing, like sex. I personally think, forgive me, it’s better to educate at school, bring up children, there was such a thing before, speech culture, here to recreate it, teach children to respect society, observe the laws of society and the state, it will be a million times more effective than any faith, because parents love their children, and some kind of priest doesn't give a damn about them at all, he said a couple of lines from the bible and left. It is necessary to educate, and not to impose faith, which only people divide into groups, I personally will be more pleasant to communicate with an educated person than with a believer, faith will change every millennium, and science will remain and cannot be changed unlike the Bibles and Korans, who can easily be rewritten and put what you need there, you just have to pay money to the church elites and voila, Jesus Christ was a native British and the British God-chosen people. Therefore, you better self-develop and bring up children so that they are smart, well-mannered and strong, and your child will need some sort of faith, so he himself will accept it or not at all.
  • Su24
    Su24 April 28 2013 23: 13 New
    -4
    Good offer, Murat agrees with you! The Eurasian Union of Russia and Islam will be crushing for our enemies!
  • varov14
    varov14 April 29 2013 19: 36 New
    0
    Oddly enough, if I knew for sure that Islam would benefit Russia and the Russian people, then without hesitation, Orthodoxy was not replaced by Islam. Ultimately, I am an atheist, for me, if God exists, then he is still the same no matter how you name it. If Islam strengthens the state, contributes to the spiritual revival of the people, let the next thousand years be Islam, which is naturally not radical, without being cut off, it’s fundamentally I don’t accept and am ready to fight such. The spiritual rebirth of nations, the flourishing of science, education, industry, and so on. and welcome islam if it manages this function. Well, if you invite in the Middle Ages, then the train left.
  • svp67
    svp67 April 28 2013 08: 30 New
    +7
    Quote: vladsolo56
    By the way, the title on the role of Russia in the modern world, so the role is not very enviable. Judging by the political actions and their results, this role is rather a theatrical one, which does not solve anything in global world politics.

    In this case, it’s better to say “judging by the political INACTIVITY” - since for many years, after the collapse of the USSR, its successor Russia did almost nothing on most issues, such as “protecting compatriots abroad” ...
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus April 28 2013 08: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Why does the propaganda that fears the horrors of revolution work so hard? it’s so simple that even thoughts of a forceful decision to change the government do not arise. We lost everything for a very long time.
    By the way, the title on the role of Russia in the modern world, so the role is not very enviable. Judging by the political actions and their results, this role is rather a theatrical one, which does not solve anything in global world politics.

    How right you think. But still, hope remains.
    The fact is that the existence of Russia as a single state incompatible with capitalism. Now it exists only through the sale of minerals developed in the Union with the payment of a substantial part of this money to the West in the form of a fee for loyalty.
    And just as the development of capitalism at the beginning of the 20th century inevitably led to the collapse of the country in the 17th, the same will happen now.
    But then, being on the verge of death, being already written off by everyone, Russia supported the Bolsheviks and was able to turn towards socialism.
    There is hope that this will happen again. And here the role of the army will be enormous.
    1. Kolya
      Kolya April 28 2013 10: 51 New
      +5
      Digging gentlemen very deeply! Truth always lies on the surface, it is understandable and clear: The dominant world order of modernity is based on Roman Law. Roman Law was formed based on the slave system as an economic system. Roman law to this day is the foundation of the world order, and this means slavery. No one would have abolished physical slavery if it had not been replaced by financial slavery. Not humanity rules the World, but money rules the World. Now it is the income tax and credit system. Income tax - you pay tax for the fact that you work, that is, you give part of your work, that is, slaves. At the same time, having nothing! But Man does not live from work, man lives from consumption. You know, some live fine and do not work. And now the main thing: the rejection of the income tax (from slavery) and the complete transition to the consumer tax will mark the step of mankind towards a new political and economic formation! Capitalism and socialism are two boots of the pair, with the only difference being that the second has a higher income tax but is distributed, as practice has shown, not always in favor of the poor. That’s why the world is still moving around, the socialist systems have collapsed and will collapse, because the essence is the same - slavery. Let's look further: This is not a man who has approached a new stage of development, it is Nature (our Planet or the external environment or call it whatever you like) that dictates the condition. The load of man on the Planet rested against the limit. This load is consumption. The timeliness of Man's response to the challenge of the Planet will determine whether Man will survive. Remember ac. Vernadsky: a self-regulatory system (in our case, the Planet) either gets rid of the destabilizing factor (if a person does not agree to live under the conditions of the Planet) or living on the Planet dies. Do not be naive about the omnipotence of Man, the experience of disappeared civilizations shows that even the lords had only one privilege - to die last.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. April 28 2013 12: 15 New
        +2
        No one would have abolished physical slavery if it had not been replaced by financial slavery

        This is already understood by many.
        Capitalism and socialism are two boots of the pair, with the only difference being that the second has a higher income tax but is distributed, as practice has shown, not always in favor of the poor

        In both cases, the founder is the small people of the elect and he always limited access to reliable information. The chance to create a state-society now appears for the first time, including in connection with the creation of the Internet, a kind of double-edged weapon. Previously, states were formed on the basis of religion, ideology, ethnos, and now (I want to believe in it) there is an opportunity to create a society on other foundations.
      2. Normal
        Normal April 28 2013 21: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: Kohl
        . And now the main thing: the rejection of the income tax (from slavery) and the complete transition to the consumer tax will mark the step of mankind towards a new political and economic formation! Capitalism and socialism are two boots of the pair, with the only difference being that the second has a higher income tax but is distributed, as practice has shown, not always in favor of the poor. That’s why the world is marking time, rushыsocialist systems will continue to fallыfight because the essence is the same - slavery. Let's look further: This is not a man who has approached a new stage of development, it is Nature (our Planet or the external environment or call it whatever you like) that dictates the condition. The load of man on the Planet rested against the limit. This load is consumption.

        Very interesting opinion. You plus good Just ... "ZhI", "SHI" - write the letter "И"
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. April 28 2013 09: 33 New
    +3
    Quote: vladsolo56
    ...What's next? But nothing, the capitalists, once having taken power voluntarily, will not give it up under any sauce. Now, even at the cost of a civil war and the loss of a third or even more of the population, they will not agree to return the state economy ...

    With proper support, this line, from the majority of voters, no civil war is required ...
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 April 28 2013 10: 06 New
      +4
      Misconception, anyone who tries to carry out nationalization in the country is waiting for one, physical elimination. Those who doubt it are just naive people. Where millions and billions are spinning, there is no concept of honor, decency and conscience.
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky April 28 2013 12: 45 New
    +4
    Video in the topic, offensive to tears:

  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 April 28 2013 15: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Now, even at the cost of a civil war and the loss of a third or even more of the population, they will not agree to return the state economy

    Quote: vladsolo56
    We lost everything for a very long time.

    I fundamentally disagree with this. Naturally, Putin will not have any changes in power.
    But his saga ends, the next one will change the world. Everything will return to square one.
    Quote: Murat 09
    Therefore, I am for the union of Islam and Russia,

    This is from the category of fiction. There is no need to get into politics with religion.
    Islam ...... Sunnis, Shiites, Alawites, Salafis, let each other gnaw their throats and stone with stones in the distance from us.
    And if it’s quite frankly, then we should have closed the country for the time of putting things in order and it’s more powerful to debug a military club, and then to see who are our allies and who are our enemies.
  • knn54
    knn54 April 28 2013 18: 19 New
    +2
    vladsolo56: Judging by the political actions and their results, this role is rather a theatrical one, which does not solve anything in global world politics.
    Let me add.
    1. Russia itself is abandoning its glorious past: having ceased to celebrate the anniversaries of Stalin’s birthdays, Lenin is obligatory on a subbotnik. All was chatted about Volgograd-Stalingrad.
    2. Concessions to the West-surrendered to Gaddafi, who were equally hated by the Yankees and Islamic fundamentalists. They gave the original Russian territory-Grumant / Svalbard to gay Vikings who live well only because they did not join the EU ...
    Lack of support for the LEGITIMATE leadership of Syria.
    The West is advancing, but Russia is also moving back.
    After the broadcast “with the Chief” hang up at least Serdyukov, Chubais ... And is it time to introduce the “Aspen Kolkol” -kavalery order / pretend
    nt more than enough.
    PS Order No. 28 of July 1942, 227 (“Not a step back!”) Is as relevant as ever, nowhere else to go.
  • Che
    Che 1 May 2013 09: 14 New
    0
    Socialism has disappeared, and capitalism will disappear - this is a given. Capitalism is an extreme form of individualism, and Christian commandments do not accept this morality. New thinking is replacing obsolete teachings and currents. Let's hope that even in our lifetime capitalism will fail in tartarara. The role of Russia is very great in the modern world, as a moral arbiter. Without Russia, aggressors would have destroyed Syria long ago. So the future is ours.
  • Murat 09
    Murat 09 April 28 2013 08: 20 New
    -15
    The article is certainly interesting, but in my understanding, the true tragedy of the USSR was atheism, Marxism, etc.! Yes, in Soviet times, morality was officially cultivated, "such as the code of the builder of communism," but this worked as long as Stalin was at the head of the USSR. I do not like him, but I admit that he was an ascetic, intelligent man, and kept his subordinates in hedgehog gloves, but when he grew old, weakened, they killed him to rob without interference. Therefore, the USSR decayed that people were afraid of their superiors to do bad things, but in their hearts they did not have a moral brake, in the form of Faith, and when the authorities themselves degenerated into grabbers and robbers, then everything, the USSR collapsed. We noticed that out of 17 million "highly ideological "the Communists did not defend the homeland, not one. And an example, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and other countries where the believing population under the direct occupation of the high-tech US army fights with the occupiers, kills them, dies in hundreds and thousands, but fights. Here are different examples, on the one hand atheism and moral imposed from above, on the other Faith, adhered to by the people for centuries !!!
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 28 2013 08: 57 New
      +7
      Quote: Murat 09
      Stalin. I do not love him

      why don’t you love Stalin? did you live under Stalin and did he limit you to something?
      Imagine if Putin began harsh purges in the country, with executions and gulags, do you think there wouldn’t be those who hated him for it? How else would you find, not only the West but also all sorts of relatives inside the country, father’s mothers, sisters and brothers. .they would constantly blather, they say Putin shot our dad, or Putin sent my brother to prison. that would be, you know?
      why Putin’s government and courts (Putin doesn’t start criminal cases, but trolls like to say that Putin puts them on political matters) doesn’t start a criminal case on me? Yes, because I’m doing nothing harmful against the state and Putin.
      1. vilenich
        vilenich April 28 2013 09: 02 New
        +5
        Quote: djon3volta
        and imagine if Putin began harsh cleanings in the country

        Post plus, only the picture somehow does not really fit the meaning ...
        1. Beck
          Beck April 28 2013 10: 25 New
          -14
          This is not an article. This is the report of the virtual general secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, at the virtual 29th congress of communists.

          The USSR fell apart not because of clandestine and foreign propaganda, not because of sabotage and sabotage of spies and scouts, but for economic reasons.

          The very theory of communism, the socialization of MEANS OF PRODUCTION, in the hands of the state, that is, in the USSR, in the hands of party functionaries, is itself DAMAGED. And such a diagnosis is made by the objective time of history. After 70 years of its inception, the socialist economic system ceased to exist, as it could not meet the needs of society.

          In addition to parity with the West on strategic missiles, the USSR did not have other parities. Neither in industry, in general, nor in agriculture, nor in the automotive industry, nor in instrument making, nor in the textile industry, nor in light industry. Even the production of ballpoint pens was inferior.

          If the ECONOMY of the USSR at the end of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s were as powerful as the economy of America, then the USSR would not have collapsed. People would live well, and neither propaganda, nor any scouts would have rocked a GOOD life.

          People live well in the West (regarding life in the USSR) and propagandize themselves, but they will not get the idea of ​​communism in them. Propagate, propagandize, but the FRG will not fall apart into independent federal lands.
          1. Kaa
            Kaa April 28 2013 10: 38 New
            13
            Quote: Beck
            The USSR fell apart not because of clandestine and foreign propaganda, not because of sabotage and sabotage of spies and scouts, but for economic reasons.
            Liberoid PROPAGANDA, dear !!!!! The word to the Americans: "1961 John F. Kennedy. From a speech upon assuming the presidency of the United States:
            “We cannot defeat the Soviet Union in a conventional war. This is an impregnable fortress. We can defeat the Soviet Union only by other methods: ideological, psychological, propaganda, economy. ”
            1992 James Baker, US Secretary of State. From a report to the US Congress:
            “We have spent trillions of dollars over the past 40 years to triumph in the Cold War against the USSR.”
            1992 George W. Bush, US President:
            “The Soviet Union is no more. This is a victory of democracy and freedom. This is a victory of moral strength, our values. Every American can be proud of this victory - from the millions of Americans, men and women who served our country in the Armed Forces, to the millions of Americans who supported their country and strengthened their defenses during the nine Presidents... Despite the potential for instability and chaos, this event - the collapse of the USSR - clearly meets our national interests. "According to the CIA, America spent a total of $ 13 trillion on the destruction of the USSR. In the early 80s, Soviet intelligence managed to extract materials from the so-called "Harvard Project." It consisted of three volumes: Perestroika, Reform, and Completion.At the beginning of the first volume is a large preamble, which stated that on the verge of the XNUMXth and XNUMXst centuries, humanity is facing a terrible crisis due to the lack of raw materials and energy resources. Anglo-Saxon environmental analysts have come to the conclusion that saving humanity depends on how much common problems can be resolved after the destruction, as the then US President Ronald Reagan said, “Evil Empires,” that is, at the expense of the USSR, with a planned population reduction of 10 times and the destruction of the nation state. The program is designed for three five-year periods. In the first five years from 1985 to 1990, Perestroika will take place with its publicity, the struggle for socialism “with a human face”, the preparation of reforms “from socialism to capitalism”. The second volume was devoted to "Reform", its time was 1990-1995, and its objectives were as follows: 1. Elimination of the world socialist system. 2. The liquidation of the Warsaw Pact. 3. The elimination of the CPSU. 4. Liquidation of the USSR.
            The third volume was called "Completion", he was to be led by a third leader, his time - 1996-2000. It contained the following items: 1. The elimination of the Soviet army. 2. The elimination of Russia as a state. 3. The elimination of the attributes of socialism, such as free training and medical care, and the introduction of the attributes of capitalism: you have to pay for everything. 4. The elimination of public and state property and the introduction of private property everywhere. ”
            After the destruction of the USSR, the then Director of the CIA came to Moscow and marched along Red Square. “This is my personal Victory Parade,” he explained to reporters.
            http://pomnimvse.com/537pb.html, http://usinfo.ru
            1. vilenich
              vilenich April 28 2013 11: 15 New
              0
              Quote: Kaa
              http://pomnimvse.com/537pb.html, http://usinfo.ru

              Something link is not working ... winked
              1. Kaa
                Kaa April 28 2013 12: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: vilenich
                Something link is not working

                http://pomnimvse.com/537pb.html ЧИСТО ВОТ ЭТО ОДНА,ТОЛЬКО ЧТО ЗАХОДИЛ, А ВЫ ДОБАВИЛИ ДВЕ СРАЗУ,http://usinfo.ru - ТУТ ПЕРВОИСТОЧНИК. hi
            2. Beck
              Beck April 28 2013 11: 27 New
              -7
              Quote: Kaa
              A word to the Americans: "John F. Kennedy, 1961. From a speech upon assuming the presidency of the USA:" We cannot defeat the Soviet Union in a conventional war. It is an impregnable fortress. We can defeat the Soviet Union only by other methods: ideological, psychological, propaganda, economics "


              Nobody could win then by military means. And from the USSR the same propaganda was used against capitalism, but it did not collapse. And why? And the West never wanted a direct war, if only to overwhelm the USSR. (Do not confuse military plans, on maps, they were on both sides) The race of ideologies and economies has begun. The economy of the West resisted The economy was flawed, the USSR collapsed. If the ECONOMY of communism were better, then the countries of the West would fall apart, but this did not happen.

              Khrushchev and Brezhnev, as well as Kennedy and Baker, spoke about the benefits of socialism. And they said oath, I repeat the mantra - A ghost roaming Europe, the ghost of Communism. And they said that they would use everything to destroy imperialism. And who listened to them. First of all, they were not heard in the USSR.

              Three volumes. What do you think, in our respective institutions, there were no different analytical programs with an attempt to see future processes.

              It’s like in the country. I built a barn contrary to the laws of sopromat, it fell apart. And now I scold the neighbor. - He jinxed it, he said that it is impossible to interfere with cement with hay, this, etc.
          2. Papakiko
            Papakiko April 28 2013 11: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Beck
            This is not an article.

            I will not give you the answers to your opuses in a paragraph, this is not a thankful task. To write what you have stated, you must adhere to One of Two.
            1) Receive ZP from all sorts of gay tolerance funds.
            2) Be a relative of Baobab.
            Encouraging you to write it down is really an empty exercise.
            Your children in the near future will return everything to you with%. Just believe it, it's called the "Law of conservation and accumulation of energy."
            1. Beck
              Beck April 28 2013 11: 54 New
              0
              Quote: Papakiko
              I will not give you the answers to your opuses in a paragraph, this is not a thankful task.


              And don’t, be healthier. But why, if they didn’t want to, they stammered.

              Quote: Papakiko
              1) Receive RFP from all kinds of gay tolerance funds. 2) Be a relative of Baobab.


              Why do people like you agree on such statements? Such nonsense without comment. But you that you think that there is only one opinion that all people should adhere to. There should be and are many opinions. And the exchange of these opinions, even negative ones, broadens the horizons.

              Quote: Papakiko
              Encouraging you to write it down is really an empty exercise.


              YES. This is what it is for. The site was created so that everyone who is interested writes their opinion. It’s your own. Or do you want fresh communication. Imagine that everything on the site has one, unanimous opinion, everything is in unison. And what interest? It’s like talking to yourself. - Hooray. Unanimously. Approved. All in step. Everyone under the visor. Yes, a normal person on such a site will have nothing to do.

              And personal. Now, if there were no other opinion, you would not have taken up arms against anyone. And so they took the soul, they threw out adrenaline.
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko April 28 2013 14: 40 New
                +3
                Quote: Beck
                And personal. Now, if there were no other opinion, you would not have taken up arms against anyone. And so they took the soul, they threw out adrenaline.

                I didn’t see any adrenaline, I didn’t take my soul away.
                Quote: Beck
                you would have no one

                You yourself beg for your opus.
                I recall Mayakovsky’s verse
                Listen to this!
                After all, if the stars are lit -
                means - it is necessary for someone?
                So - someone wants them to be?
                So - someone calls these spit pearls?
                And straining
                in the blizzards of midday dust
                breaks into God,
                afraid that he was late,
                crying,
                kisses his sinewy hand,
                asks -
                that there must have been a star! -
                swears -
                will not suffer this starless flour!
                And then
                walks alarming,
                but calm outwardly
                says to someone:
                "But now you have nothing?
                Not scary?
                Yes?"
                Listen to this!
                After all, if the stars
                light -
                means - it is necessary for someone?
                Hence - it is necessary,
                every evening
                over roofs
                at least one star caught fire ?!
                view-Synonyms: aspect, discretion, glance, opinion, impression, conclusion, opinion, opinion, review, assessment, desire, position, understanding, concept, assumption, representation, understanding, reasoning, reputation, fame, word, advice, consideration, court, judgment, theory, sense, point of view, angle of view, discretion, philosophical. Choose what is closer to the nonsense you have expressed.
                1. Normal
                  Normal April 28 2013 22: 05 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  To write what you have stated, you must adhere to One of Two.
                  1) Receive ZP from all sorts of gay tolerance funds.
                  2) Be a relative of Baobab.


                  Is that all you need to get your point across?
                  Ah, sorry, the opinion is what you think is right, and everything else is synonyms and "your stupid" "Good" position. The main thing, which does not require justification and arguments; "there are only two opinions - mine and wrong"
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  You yourself beg for your opus.
                  I recall Mayakovsky’s verse

                  Listen to this!
                  After all, if the stars are lit -
                  means - it is necessary for someone?
                  So - someone wants them to be?


                  You would not have been hiding behind Mayakovsky. He has no assertion that if the stars are lit, then this is for the RFP from the gay-tolerance funds.
                  Mayakovsky does not have this.
                  1. Papakiko
                    Papakiko April 29 2013 13: 35 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Normal
                    Ah, sorry, the opinion is what you think is right, and everything else is synonyms and "your stupid" "Good" position. The main thing, which does not require justification and arguments; "there are only two opinions - mine and wrong"

                    All of you together who consider that: "The Great Depression", "August Defot 1998", "Twin Towers-September 11" and TD and TP. all this is not man-made "by a circle of interested persons", it is impossible not to perceive it as 1 of 2 proposed options. hi
              2. Kashaverskiy
                Kashaverskiy April 29 2013 19: 04 New
                +2
                Quote: Beck
                YES. This is what it is for. The site was created so that everyone who is interested writes their opinion. It’s your own. Or do you want fresh communication. Imagine that everything on the site has one, unanimous opinion, everything is in unison. And what interest? It’s like talking to yourself. - Hooray. Unanimously. Approved. All in step. Everyone under the visor. Yes, a normal person on such a site will have nothing to do.

                More than once I read similar statements from "unjustly offended" liberals.
                Although, it is worth giving an example of how in liberal groups, which in words advocate freedom of speech, solve this question. They understand this as freedom only of personal expression, everyone else is banned or rubbed by arguments and references to which they cannot give an answer. Here's what I saw in one libertarian group:
                first spread some nonsense:
                Fugitives from North Korea: “We Eat Human Meat” Stephanie Hagarthi (BBC World Service)

                We know little about life in North Korea. One of the few sources of real information is fugitives. Two refugees, Choo Chanyang and Kim Yusun, who left the country in 2011, tell the BBC their stories.

                “I heard that we eat human meat,” says Choo Chanyang. “They say there are people who abduct children and sell their flesh, and hide their heads and fingers.”
                Show more ..
                http://www.bbc.co.uk/ukrainian/ukraine_in_russian/2013/04/130424_ru_s_n_korea.sh

                tml
                "
                Then, in response to a refutation (from Elena Kazantseva, most likely - but I did not see what she wrote, because they rubbed the link and gave a very impudent explanation):
                Elena Kazantseva
                What are you deleting links? I do not like?
                ARMED FORCES OF THE COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD © VSSM
                Elena, the "red" links are prohibited because the "red" are against Freedom and Democracy. Therefore, the dictatorship they love is applied to them.
                I like3
                yesterday at 13:31 Elena | Reply
                Elena Kazantseva
                Administration, you are so afraid of links to information about the DPRK that you live in South Korea, and for such information you face a prison term. Relax, this is just a small harmless DPRK.
                Thomas Anderson
                Fugitives for good money and shelter can tell a lot of "truths."
                Alexander Kondratov
                Andrey, the administration in this group acts as it considers necessary, first of all for itself)) in other words, everything is based on the principle, "I am Dartanyan, and you, with your arguments, even logical ones, are pid% races, so either be silent , or ban ... and niipet) "
                Andrey Dmitriev
                Vitaliy, So it is said that everyone would think that Kim is the most terrible dictators. You still tell the Jews that in addition to them, other nations also managed to gobble. Do not wash off later.))) "
                After all this, who would talk about freshness? On other liberal sites, no better. There, too, they either ban or rub links to which they have no arguments. If you do not like this site, why do you visit it so often? Because you do not express an opinion, but impose, that is, you are a Western propagandist.
                Alas, I can’t insert a screenshot, but if you enter
                http://vk.com/armed_forces и если тему не потрут на стене, то сами в этом сможете убедиться.
                1. Beck
                  Beck April 29 2013 19: 44 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Kashaverskiy
                  More than once I read similar statements from "unjustly offended" liberals.


                  And what kind of concepts do you have? Why is it so offended in my words that there should be many opinions, and not one. It is you yourself who are pulling your concept of resentment into my simple statement.

                  Quote: Kashaverskiy
                  They understand this as freedom only of personal expression, all the rest are banned or rubbed by arguments and references to which they cannot give an answer.


                  What are you doing now? Also express your personal opinion and no one can forbid you from it. But Papakio, and most likely you, want to ban everything that is not yours. You don’t like something - don’t read, put it on the black list and you will, in your personal plan, be calm for the complacency of the soul.

                  You have liberalism and democracy obscene words. But what society do you live in yourself? With the fascist dictatorship, with the absolute power of the monarch, with slavery, with the cannibalistic dictatorship of Bokassa, with serfdom? What kind of socio-political formation do you currently live in?

                  And you live in a Russian democratic society based on liberal values. It took millennia for humanity to come to this. Through matriarchy, slavery, feudalism, monarchism, various dictatorships, mankind has come precisely to the form of democracy. At present, the Russian state functions precisely on the principles that are worked out by democracy. (There are a lot of things. Election, separation of powers, personal freedoms, etc.)

                  And naturally, these forms of democracy, but democracy, vary. In Europe, in Asia, it is different, in Russia and Kazakhstan with their own troubles, but the principles are the same, the difference in the degree of their observance.
                  1. Papakiko
                    Papakiko April 30 2013 07: 27 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Beck
                    What are you doing now? Also express your personal opinion and no one can forbid you from it. But Papakio, and most likely you, want to ban everything that is not yours. You don’t like something - don’t read, put it on the black list and you will, in your personal plan, be calm for the complacency of the soul.

                    Dear BEK, they pointed out to you your writings, and you continue to distribute librarian nonsense through the pipes. In other words, they tell you that the earth has the shape of a sphere, and you continue to trumpet with sadomasochic pleasure about “Flat cake on Three elephants resting on a turtle that is swimming in a boundless fender.” Or this option: If you hit the head with a good shiny crowbar then which leg Will you limp?
                    And many similar and different turns. hi
                  2. Kashaverskiy
                    Kashaverskiy April 30 2013 17: 13 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Beck
                    But Papakio, and most likely you, want to ban everything that is not yours. You don’t like something - don’t read, put it on the black list and you will, in your personal plan, be calm for the complacency of the soul.

                    I should not attribute my "grievances" (that I want to ban someone’s opinion is your speculation and fantasies, I didn’t say anything like that). I’m not going to forbid anything. This is first.
                    Quote: Beck
                    Why is it so offended in my words that there should be many opinions, and not one. It is you yourself who are pulling your concept of resentment into my simple statement.

                    Secondly, I do not pull anything, and yet - is it not an insult - even if not you, I generally spoke about liberals, are offended - they whine that the site is biased, that the advantages here are only given out for cheers-patriotism - is that not a complaint ? And who was pulling here?
                    Thirdly, Papakiko is right - I’m talking about warm things and you’re talking about soft things - they didn’t even answer my thesis that liberals in their groups don’t give anyone an opinion different from them, but they immediately ban - and you don’t even they answered and started talking some nonsense about democracy, took the conversation aside, said formal words, as they spoke about democracy at a rally of the 90s - the same empty formalism (how great Russia did come to democracy is almost something the same as how ships plow the expanses of the universe). You take the conversation aside, not answering the theses.
                    In short, you are doing what is written here -
                    http://lurkmore.to/Правила_демагога
                    Specifically, which item you executed is the very first:
                    "Code of rules of the demagogue
                    1. Never answer directly to the question and do not fully disclose your position. So you will leave yourself more room for retreat, saying “I didn’t mean it at all” ... And then quietly go to another topic - all the same, after a few posts everyone will forget what question was asked at the beginning. "
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 1 May 2013 16: 14 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Kashaverskiy
                      even if not you, I’ve generally spoken about liberals, they are offended - they whimper that the site is biased, that they give out advantages only for cheers-patriotism - is that not a complaint?


                      Among any community there are inadequate ones. And regular site visitors do not whimper. This is a newcomer without understanding anything express their opinion. And there is truth in their words. Look at the minuses, but not happiness in them. Just with certain disadvantages, comments are limited. This administration cares about you so that you do not read everything that is not a bang. Well, the administration cares in this way about the cleanliness of the ranks.

                      And anyway, that it hurt you so much, as you say, my "nonsense"? I do not like your opinion, but I do not call it rubbish, this is your opinion. And I ask you to put me on the black list, you will not even see "nonsense".
          3. dizelniy
            dizelniy April 28 2013 11: 54 New
            +5
            Controversial statements, I advise you to read and listen to Fursov A.I. The crisis in the USSR was man-made. It was made by those who sold energy primarily to the West, received their percentage, and those who provided force cover for these transactions and financial transactions. The economist Leontyev and Thatcher publicly and documented that the Western economy could not stand the competition. As a result, our restructuring.
          4. Vovka levka
            Vovka levka April 28 2013 12: 05 New
            -8
            Quote: Beck
            The USSR fell apart not because of clandestine and foreign propaganda, not because of sabotage and sabotage of spies and scouts, but for economic reasons.

            The US economy is more than seven times larger than the Russian economy. The Chinese economy surpasses the Russian economy by more than three times. The economies of Britain and France are 50% higher than the economies of Russia. In the USSR, the numbers are not much different. You can dream up anything, but if you do not have an economy, then everything is covered with a copper basin.
            1. SPACE
              SPACE April 28 2013 14: 15 New
              +5
              Quote: Vovka Levka
              The US economy is more than seven times larger than the Russian economy. The Chinese economy surpasses the Russian economy by more than three times. The economies of Britain and France by 50% exceed the economy of Russia


              Now, highlight the export from their economy and compare with their budget? Russia and Kazakhstan urgently need to replace commodity imports with domestic production.
              1. Vovka levka
                Vovka levka April 28 2013 16: 28 New
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                Now, highlight the export from their economy and compare with their budget? Russia and Kazakhstan urgently need to replace commodity imports with domestic production. [/ Quote]
                Who is against? Only the problem is that it’s easy to say, but hard to do.
                1. SPACE
                  SPACE April 28 2013 16: 56 New
                  +1
                  This is to the leadership of the country. By the way, Putin has already instructed the Academy of Sciences to develop a new policy in place of the Kudryan one, the development of the Russian economy, and one of the real ways to increase the country's GDP is the state policy of import substitution, by the way it is already going on in Russia, and the WTO is an attempt to gain access to Western technologies with simultaneous access to Western markets. My advice, if possible, begin to refuse, where possible, from Western goods, look for domestic, Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus. Our market should work for us, this is our education, miditsina, our future.
                  1. Egoza
                    Egoza April 28 2013 19: 02 New
                    +3
                    Quote: SPACE
                    My advice, if possible, start to refuse, where possible, from Western products, look for domestic,

                    So Lukashenko has already proposed creating a consortium for light industry. Moreover, this will include all types of light industry. He says so: "For 5-7 years, we will be able to jointly reach high-quality and low-cost production. Let everything be ours, not Chinese." And he is right! IMHO
          5. SPACE
            SPACE April 28 2013 14: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: Beck
            Propagate, propagandize, but the FRG will not fall apart into independent federal lands.

            Germany close the markets and it will be blown away, but then we'll see what happens.
            The Western world lives so well and exists at the expense of the markets of the same Europe, Greece, Spain, etc. and other countries, including at the expense of Russia and Kazakhstan, while killing both European and our domestic production. And this is not a private business, but a real state policy, give-sell to us your resources and markets and be free, it's not about selling kebabs. So where does all this lead us? According to our boss working in Germany, we killed our state planned economy, and they take over it. In order to have the same thing as the West, you need to have your own production of high-tech equipment, but only the state can do it today, private Western capital will never come here, they don’t need competitors, they need buyers of Merc.
            Ask how much 1kg of aluminum costs and how much the aluminum radiator costs on a BMW?
            1. Beck
              Beck April 28 2013 15: 41 New
              -3
              Quote: SPACE
              In order to have the same thing as the west, you need to have your own production of high-tech equipment, but only the state can do it today, private Western capital will never come here, they don’t need competitors, they need buyers Mersov


              Speak correctly. So it’s obvious to you. For 70 years, state socialism has not achieved what capitalism has achieved. Socialism has broken in its statehood.

              Over there, people curse Gorbachev, so he is to blame only as a cog in the system that led the empire to collapse.

              With the advent of nuclear weapons it became impossible to solve global problems by war. This is mutual in the grow. Therefore, the weapon was not rockets, but Economics. And the global economy in which the whole world is developing has overcome the theoretical miscarriage of communist ideology.

              Marx and Lenin, creating their theory, proceeded from the realities of the economic structure of the middle and end of the 19th century. Therefore, they advanced the working class, not people, but the class, into the hegemons of society. And their main drawback is myopia. If they were theorists and thinkers, they should have linked their theory with at least the supposed future structure of the world. The world has left the 19th century and the theory of communism has been hanging without support for 70 years and collapsed.

              Their theory is not true in the main pustulat. - At this time, the working class is not the hegemon of society. The working class is rapidly declining quantitatively. Take a look at the conveyor lines of modern factories. This is a complete automation and robotization, it is 5-10 people and half of them are engineering and technical workers. In the 19th century, thousands of workers stood on a similar line.

              There is no bearer of the proletarian revolution. And further it will be even worse for the theory.
              1. SPACE
                SPACE April 28 2013 16: 17 New
                +2
                Quote: Beck
                There is no bearer of the proletarian revolution. And further it will be even worse for the theory.

                Well let's say, judging by your theory, some will get richer, while others will get poorer, but where are those people who turned out to be superfluous, who did not find a place in the factory? Capital does not need a burden, you do not have the ability to buy an extra person ... Are you for such a society?
                Z.Y. When you enter the chief’s office and begin to criticize his decisions, he always says, if you criticize, then offer your decision or a way out.
                1. Beck
                  Beck April 29 2013 03: 49 New
                  -1
                  Quote: SPACE
                  Well, let's say, judging by your theory, some will get richer, while others will get poorer, but where are those people who turned out to be superfluous, who did not find a place in the factory?


                  There is nothing perfect in the world. And there are no extra people. There are problems with jobs, crises, falling prices, etc. But such problems are resolved over time. And if you look, in those countries where capitalism is developed and unemployment is many times less than in Africa.

                  And the word capitalism, in my opinion, is outdated. Moreover, we are shovels, automatically attribute it to the negative.

                  There are no places at the factory? But look at the bulk of taxation jobs in the West, this is the service sector and R&D. Europe, Japan and further became the design bureaus of the world. They come up with new technologies, new sketches, new things. And their production, factories, are already being transferred to other regions in China, India, Thailand, etc.

                  So that everything is interconnected in the world and people find their use not only at the machine tool.
                  1. SPACE
                    SPACE April 29 2013 22: 45 New
                    0
                    Quote: Beck
                    There is nothing perfect in the world

                    It `s naturally.
                    Quote: Beck
                    There are problems with jobs, crises, falling prices, etc. But such problems are resolved over time.

                    I don’t agree here, the current problems are the consequences of capitalism, that is, it’s impossible to fix them, or a return to socialism, which we observe in Europe and this is just the beginning, they don’t know how we live like we lived, for them it’s a dead end and a collapse .
                    Quote: Beck
                    And the word capitalism, in my opinion, is outdated.

                    The current system in the West I call liberal democratic capitalism, this does not change the essence, only everyone has equal opportunities to earn money. But if a person was born poor, then his children will be poor, and vice versa, and exceptions only confirm the rule.
                    Quote: Beck
                    we are shovels

                    Shovels from the word Soviet, in turn, from advice, consult. The Council of Elders comes from the ancestors. So I'm SOVIET and not only not ashamed of this, but also proud of it. A good society should be Soviet, even a religious society.

                    Quote: Beck
                    And if you look, in those countries where capitalism is developed and unemployment is many times less than in Africa.

                    When electricity was invented in Europe, animals were hunted in Africa with bows. The example is not correct, Europe is ahead of the rest of the planet and Africa will never catch Europe in life, without help.
                    Quote: Beck
                    it is a service industry and R&D. Europe, Japan and further became the design bureaus of the world. They come up with new technologies, new sketches, new things.

                    This is globalism, do you know what this leads to? Someone will get raw materials, someone will do it, and someone will lead and count grandmothers. Which way have we been prepared for? Now we live on stocks from the USSR, name on the move, at least one independent production of high-tech equipment in Kazakhstan? If in the next 20 years we do not recreate education and industry using the reserves of resources, we will not leave Africa further.
        2. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN April 28 2013 10: 43 New
          +1
          Exactly ....... this one is much closer to the topic of the post!
      2. Murat 09
        Murat 09 April 28 2013 09: 13 New
        -12
        John, I do not like Stalin, because through his fault my people lost more than half the number in 1943-1945. There were 88 of us Karachais back then, of whom 000 (almost all the men of my people, many volunteers) and 15000 women went to the front, more than 800 people, almost two-thirds, and the remaining children, women, died on the battlefields and the old men, Stalin sent in the winter to Central Asia, where more than half died in the first year.
        so I don’t like the killer of my people, I’m not a masochist, but you probably love Gorbachev, Yeltsin, these killers of your people, and ???
        1. omsbon
          omsbon April 28 2013 09: 40 New
          +6
          Why do you never say why you were deported to Central Asia?
          1. Murat 09
            Murat 09 April 28 2013 09: 46 New
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            Andrei, please read my post carefully, it says that almost all the men fought on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War, only 270 people went to the Germans, this according to the NKVD, this is 0,3% of the whole people, and should I be sent for this? And yet, how to explain the fact that in the besieged Leningrad in early 1942, printing houses printed maps of the USSR, already with the liquidated Karachayev AO, when the Germans came to the Caucasus only in the autumn of 1942, after half a year. Maybe the fact that the decision on eviction was already made in advance and waited only for the occasion in the form of the Germans.
            1. omsbon
              omsbon April 28 2013 11: 05 New
              +3
              Respect Murat! I carefully read your post.
              Quote: Murat 09
              only 270 people went to the Germans, this according to the NKVD, this is 0,3% of the whole people, and for this it is necessary to send?

              15000 people went to the front, 270 individuals became traitors, is this 0,3%?
              I won’t say anything about cards, I don’t know.
              And yet, I do not like when strangers turn to me on you.
              1. Murat 09
                Murat 09 April 28 2013 11: 57 New
                +1
                Respect Igor. I said 0,3% of the whole nation and not of the number of people who went to the front, read my post carefully. And they went to the Germans not at the front, but when the Germans occupied Karachay. And please read how many policemen there were Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc. in the territories occupied by Germans.
          2. Kaa
            Kaa April 28 2013 11: 04 New
            +8
            Quote: omsbon
            Why do you never say why you were deported to Central Asia?

            Quote: Murat 09
            only 270 people passed to the Germans,

            Let's look at the primary sources, then the numbers are different, and the explanation is different: "In the first months of the war, 15 people, almost the entire adult male population of the Karachay AO, were called up to the Red Army. In addition, about 600 thousand women were mobilized to build defensive lines and men. The territory of KAO was occupied by German troops from August 2, 12 to January 1942, 18. During this time, the Germans destroyed and removed 1943 cattle. The partisan anti-German movement was suppressed, which was actively promoted by the Karachayev National Committee. In January-February 150, this committee organized an uprising in the Uchkulansky district, after Mikoyan-Shakhar (present-day Karachayevsk) and the rest of the region were liberated by the Soviet army and operations against the anti-Soviet partisans (in particular, the upper Balyk army Malki River) was personally led by Beria Deputy Ivan Serov.
            However, this movement was not massive. According to the official data of the KAO prosecutor’s office, 673 lawsuits were instituted throughout the region for treason and cooperation with the Nazis. Of these, 449 cases were referred to court. About 270 people were prosecuted for treason against the motherland. On April 15, 1943, the NKVD and the USSR Prosecutor's Office issued a joint directive, on the basis of which on August 9, 1943, 110 families (472 people) of Karachai “bandleaders” and “active” were expelled from the region. bandits "together with their families. http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/176142/
            BUT THIS IS A “REBUILDING" TRUTH, AND THERE IS REAL. "“State Defense Committee to Comrade Stalin I.V.
            I got acquainted with the materials on the behavior of the Balkars during the offensive of the Nazi troops in the Caucasus, and after their exile. During the German breakthrough of the front line near Rostov in 1942, anti-Soviet elements in Balkaria intensified their work in the rear of the Red Army and created bandit rebel groups. The situation was also difficult during the retreat of units of the 37th Army, departing through the passes of the Caucasus Range, through Balkaria. In the Cherek region, the Balkars disarmed the military unit, killed the commanding staff and captured one gun.
            At the direction of the Germans and the emigrants Shokmanov and Kemmetov they brought with them, the Balkars agreed with the Karachais to unite the Balkaria with Karachai.
            Only during the years 1942-43. 2 people were arrested for anti-Soviet work and banditry., of which Communists and Komsomol members - 186 people. 362 people fled with Germans from BalkariaFebruary 24, 1944 L. Beria ”.
            (“The Communist”, 1989, No. 5, p. 21.) http://karachays.com/publ/61-1-0-108
            MUCH OTHER FIGURES AND ACTIONS, THE TRUTH?
            1. Murat 09
              Murat 09 April 28 2013 11: 59 New
              +1
              Dear Kaa, you said about the Balkars, I spoke about the Karachais, as they say, about Thomas, he is about Yerema laughing
              1. Kaa
                Kaa April 28 2013 12: 27 New
                +4
                Quote: Murat 09
                you said about the Balkars, I spoke about the Karachais,

                DEAR COLLEAGUE, ATTENTIVITY IS FORGOTTEN BY EMOTIONS?
                Quote: Kaa
                At the direction of the Germans and the emigrants Shokmanov and Kemmetov they brought with them, the Balkars agreed with the Karachais to unite the Balkaria with Karachai.
                1. Murat 09
                  Murat 09 April 28 2013 12: 42 New
                  -3
                  Please, with whom exactly did they agree, names, appearances, passwords laughing . Well, this is not serious, someone agreed with someone. There is a fact that almost all Karachai men fought at the front with the Germans, no one, the most notorious Stalinists, do not deny this. Read about the heroes of the Karachavians, as two partisans in Belarus liberated Red Army prisoners in a convoy, killed dozens of Germans, then they met partisans and became commanders of partisan detachments and died in battle, there were hundreds of such names in the streets of Belarus.
                  Quote: Kaa
                  According to the official data of the KAO prosecutor's office, 673 lawsuits were instituted throughout the region for treason and cooperation with the Nazis. Of these, 449 cases were referred to court. About 270 people were prosecuted for treason against the motherland. On April 15, 1943, the NKVD and the USSR Prosecutor's Office issued a joint directive, on the basis of which on August 9, 1943, 110 families (472 people) of Karachai “bandleaders” and “active” were expelled from the region. bandits "with families.

                  And do not forget that in the region there were not only Karachais, but also Russians and Cossacks, who also worked very actively with the Germans, especially Cossacks.
                  1. Kaa
                    Kaa April 28 2013 16: 54 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Murat 09
                    with whom exactly did they agree, names, appearances, passwords
                    Well, this is for you in the Bundeswehr archive, perhaps you should contact. Our zapadentsy, for example, made a request, saying, tell me how many Germans died from the OUN-UPA in the war - they received an OFFICIAL response that such losses were not recorded by the Wehrmacht or the SS. And if you don’t speak German, here’s an excerpt from Russian historians of this period: “But it’s dated November 6, 1942 (that is, in the midst of the battles for Stalingrad and the Caucasus) document of the German security service “General situation and mood in the operational region of the North Caucasus”compiled on the basis of reports from the western part of this “area”. Noting the “uncertainty” of the behavior of the Adyghe and Circassians, the document at the same time emphasizes (highlighting a number of words) the following
                    * “When the German armed forces entered the Karachay region, they were greeted with universal glee. In their willingness to help the Germans, they surpassed themselves. For example, the Einsatzkommando of the Security Police and SD, which arrived in early September in the Karachai village located south of Kislovodsk, was received with enthusiasm comparable to the days of the accession of the Sudetenland *. Team members were embraced and raised on their shoulders. They offered gifts and delivered speeches that ended with a toast in honor of the Fuhrer ... Representatives of the Balkars also joined these proposals ... Noteworthy is the desire of approximately 60000 Balkars to separate themselves from the Kabardins and join the Karachais, with a population of 120000. Both tribal groups expressed their unity with the Great German Empire ”. We will also mention a completely different “experience gained ... in the Baksan-populated place of Kabardins ... the residents more and more removed and in the end worked with enemy forces (enemy for the Germans. - V.K.) a common cause - Unknown Russia. XX century, IV - M., 1993, p. 350—351, 353, 355. http://www.situation.ru/app/rs/lib/kozhinov2/kozhinov245.htm
                  2. Kaa
                    Kaa April 28 2013 16: 58 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Murat 09
                    Well, this is not serious, someone agreed with someone

                    And what do you think is serious? Even if I worked for the FSB, you wouldn’t get such information, but the fact remains as a gopher-gopher ...
        2. djon3volta
          djon3volta April 28 2013 10: 06 New
          -4
          Quote: Murat 09
          here you probably love Gorbachev, Yeltsin, these killers of your people and ???

          Well, if you soberly judge, then Gorbachev did not kill millions as Yeltsin did. Gorbach ruined the USSR, Yeltsin brought the people to the red line.
          I do not like them, where did you get it?
          1. Gecko
            Gecko April 28 2013 10: 54 New
            +5
            Yes, Gorbachev did not directly kill, but he was indirectly guilty of the death of millions.
    2. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq April 28 2013 09: 21 New
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      Listen dear, I’m an atheist and to be honest, to protect the weak, to help those in need, I don’t need a god or a mullah, my mom and dad raised me like that. oh how far !!! A conversation with a Muslim on the Internet ---- I do everything that the mullah will tell me. (I) But you yourself with a head, you have a head, you yourself must understand what is bad, what is good, and if is the mullah wrong? (he) The mullah cannot be wrong, they choose him from the most worthy and competent. (I) And if he orders to kill a man, and he is not guilty? (he) Then he (the mullah) will be in hell! As the saying goes curtain! !!
      1. Murat 09
        Murat 09 April 28 2013 09: 40 New
        -2
        Dear, I therefore repeat once again that this is why it is necessary to teach the youth of the Caucasus True Islam, if you have knowledge, you will not kill by someone’s order, because it’s a sin. The person you spoke to is ignorant of the affairs of the Faith and therefore he says so. I have a question, they offered you a billion dollars for the murder, they said that there would be nothing for it, would you agree ???. I do not, not because I am so good, but because I know that the Lord will punish me in this or that true life, I am afraid of him and will not do it. And if I were an atheist (may Allah save me from this), the big question is whether I would have done it or not.
        1. Ivan.
          Ivan. April 28 2013 11: 22 New
          +3
          I have a question, they offered you a billion dollars for the murder, they said that there would be nothing for it, would you agree ???.

          NO
          I do not, not because I am so good, but because I know that the Lord will punish me in this or that true life, I am AFRAID of him and will not do it

          And here’s the difference: yours is not out of fear (it doesn’t matter who), mine isn’t out of love for life
        2. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali April 28 2013 19: 30 New
          0
          Quote: Murat 09
          Dear, I therefore repeat once again that this is why it is necessary to teach the youth of the Caucasus True Islam

          Dear Murat, Kur'an is alone, the Sunna of Muhammad is also one, and the vial and guard of the Prophet are fixed in the hadiths, so what do you mean by “True Islam”?
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop April 28 2013 19: 49 New
            +2
            Quote: Rakti-Kali
            Dear Murat, Kur'an is alone, the Sunna of Muhammad is also one, and the vial and guard of the Prophet are fixed in the hadiths, so what do you mean by “True Islam”?
            Then HOW so many radical movements in Islam? It is those about whom they shout. that they have nothing to do with Islam? Maybe you should NOT force Muslims to divide you into pure and not pure? You will figure out who is a shame on Islam?
            1. Rakti-kali
              Rakti-kali April 28 2013 20: 38 New
              +3
              Quote: Misantrop
              Then HOW so many radical movements in Islam?

              Are you asking me? Well, I will express my opinion - that in Islam, in Christianity, in Judaism - because of people who put their love of power above faith, because of those who, under the guise of God and Jesus, Allah and the Prophet Muhammad, strive only to exalt themselves and capture power.
              As for Islam, already 50 years after the death of the prophet, there were already four of its branches, equally venerating the Creator, his prophet, Kur'an, the sunnah of the prophet and hadith, but ready to cut each other's throats in the question of who the heir to the prophet was.
              Therefore, I wonder what respected Murat considers true Islam? Content, in the form of following Kur'an, the sun of the prophet, hadith, where Christians are called brothers and where it is forbidden to impose faith or an external ostentatious form with beating oneself with a heel in the chest and shouting about the need to eradicate infidels?
      2. Anti
        Anti April 28 2013 10: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: Heccrbq
        I’m an atheist and to be honest, to protect the weak, to help those in need I don’t need a god or a mullah, my mom and dad raised me like this. !!!


        Cool wrote !! Worthless price, any religion that incites to kill their own kind for her.
    3. sergey32
      sergey32 April 28 2013 09: 31 New
      +2
      Murat, I agree with you, persecution of the church, of believers is one of the main mistakes of the Soviet government. This, incidentally, and Zyuganov acknowledged.
      The Communists did not create a reliable mechanism that would protect the system from decomposition. The Communist Party of the Soviet Union ...
      To say there is such a party, in relation to the Communist Party, is generally ridiculous. The current top of the Communist Party is well integrated into the system. The future belongs to the force that can bring order and justice to the country on the basis of the Law.
      1. Murat 09
        Murat 09 April 28 2013 09: 48 New
        -1
        Sergey, thank you for your understanding and for thinking about the causes and effects.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza April 28 2013 09: 51 New
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        Quote: sergey32
        persecution of the church, of believers is one of the main mistakes of the Soviet government.

        But it should be noted that under Stalin, these persecutions began to curtail. He well understood the meaning of FAITH! Although at the same time, he tried to replace one faith with another - faith in communism, in the party I, the “Code of the Builder of Communism” largely repeats Christian commandments, although it was already executed after the death of I.V. Stalin. The mistake was that Khrushchev, with his report, destroyed the faith in the justice and veracity of the party, and gave nothing in return. Therefore, the code did not work.
        1. Murat 09
          Murat 09 April 28 2013 10: 00 New
          0
          Elena, how nice to meet an educated, smart, able to reason girl, which is now rare !!! I would probably fall in love with you if I were not married)))),
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 April 28 2013 17: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: Murat 09
            I would probably fall in love with you if I were not married)))),

            You are a Muslim, your wife is not an obstacle for you. Allah 4 permits to have. laughing
            1. Murat 09
              Murat 09 April 28 2013 18: 22 New
              0
              Our second wife is taken with the permission of the first, and she is strict with me on this score, she will not give permission laughing
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 28 2013 18: 26 New
                -1
                Quote: Murat 09
                Our second wife is taken with the permission of the first, and she is strict with me on this score, she will not give permission

                I was allowed))))))))
                Yes, the conditions are too harsh, he says he will not feed, they say let the second))))))))))
    4. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 April 28 2013 10: 10 New
      0
      By the way, Atheism is the only non-political ideology that can unite people. Religions are only disconnected, and even worse opposed. Any opposition usually ends with a confrontation, subsequently subject to the equality of forces, and even more so subject to prevalence, confrontation, the desire to suppress or better absorb those fewer.
      Why did they invent religions, to suppress the will of peoples. To date, Western civilization has come up with a replacement for religions and is quite dogmatic. Money and loans are the tools that are now replacing religions in the West. And after all, people are very happy to be led to this new universal faith.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 10: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: vladsolo56
        By the way, atheism is the only non-political ideology that can unite people,

        But did not atheists ruin the USSR? But aren't atheists now propagating pederasty and other perversions all over the world?
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Why religions were invented, to suppress the will of peoples

        The will of the people with faith, much more than without it !!!
        1. Kaa
          Kaa April 28 2013 12: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          But aren't atheists now propagating pederasty and other perversions all over the world?
          A CATHOLIC ?! "The Pope came to the United States and consoled the victims of harassment of pedophile priests. The fact is that America has been shaken by sexual scandals related to ministers of the Catholic cult in recent years. As a result, the Catholic Church had to pay billions of dollars of compensation to the children who suffered from them. The facts show that that there are especially many pedophiles among the Catholic priests of foreign countries. Recall that for the first time about sexual abuse of children by Catholic worshipers started talking back in the 1950s. However, the scandal broke out most clearly in 2002, when the Boston Glob newspaper launched a series Revelatory articles. However, the facts published by American journalists had a very real basis. The problem went so far that an organization was created in the spirit of the "department of personal security" with the characteristic name "For the responsibility of bishops" to cleanse the Catholic Church in the United States. According to its leader Terry McCiernana, total about 14 thousand children suffered from pedophile priests, and the number of worshipers accused of depraved actions against children exceeded five thousand. " Thus, according to American colleagues, it turns out that at least every eighth Catholic priest from the United States is a pedophile. The fact is that for 64 million citizens of this country of Catholic religion, there are 41,5 thousand worshipers. And in many cases, the allegations, alas, have been confirmed. To date, victims of perverts in the cassocks of the Catholic Church have already had to pay a huge sum of compensation of more than $ 2,2 billion in lawsuits or out of court settlements. http://www.pravda.ru/faith/confessions/21-04-2008/264449-church-0/
          A congress of American Catholic bishops opens in Baltimore. According to the LA Times, one of the main issues on the agenda is the attitude of the church towards people of non-traditional sexual orientation. According to the publication, despite the general disapproval of homosexual relationships, the council intends to review a number of current church rules. In particular, we are talking about the release of gay Catholics from obligations to change their sexual orientation. In addition, the hierarchs of the US Catholic Church intend to allow clergy to baptize foster children of same-sex couples who agree to raise them Catholics. "We are trying to find formulations that would not contradict it wouldn’t be imposed on the church’s teachings too aggressively, "said Cardinal Francis George, vice president of the American Conference of Catholic Priests in an interview. Such initiatives may provoke protests from the conservative part of the episcopate, which Recent Vatican directives may prohibit homosexuals from seeking ordination, preaching, and leading seminaries as an argument. http://lenta.ru/news/2006/11/13/bishop/
          And ALL THE CASE IS DESCRIBED IN THE OLD POLISH JOKE — ONE KSENZ ASKES THE OTHER “AND WHEN ALREADY CANCEL THIS CELIBATE?” AND THAT ANSWERED “OH, I DO NOT KNOW, IT CAN LIKE THAT IT HAPPENED FOR YOU!” laughing
        2. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 April 28 2013 16: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The will of the people with faith, much more than without it !!!

          Maybe then I came up with this: "Humility, patience, humility" or this is "All power from God." Maybe explain why the people have been hammered in for centuries, that you can’t go against power.
          1. dddym
            dddym April 28 2013 16: 28 New
            +3
            Not quite so - I'm sorry, but I want to disappoint you a little. The main thing in Russian society was serving the fatherland. And all power from God meant only one thing - that the king was the anointed of God, and therefore his power is the power of God. In Soviet times, this expression was used in the form of reconciliation of the church and the state, under Stalin (although many will now start stamping their feet and shouting about Stalinization) during the war, when Stalin allowed the election of the patriarch - many priests remembered this expression. And by the way, Orthodoxy is not so humble patient and humble. If that the priest can and in an ear to light a wasp of those in need of it.
            1. vladsolo56
              vladsolo56 April 28 2013 17: 33 New
              0
              You don’t even understand what I wrote, or simply do not want to understand
      2. old rocket man
        old rocket man April 28 2013 23: 37 New
        +1
        [quote = vladsolo56] By the way, Atheism is the only non-political ideology that can unite people,

        Atheism is not an ideology, but just the complete absence thereof.
        negative
    5. Beck
      Beck April 29 2013 20: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Murat 09
      The article is certainly interesting, but in my understanding, the true tragedy of the USSR was atheism, Marxism, etc.!


      I read, read about religion and could not resist.

      True atheism has nothing to do with Soviet atheism. Soviet atheism is a kind of propaganda of the religion of communism in order to recapture the souls of people from other faiths. So that as many people as possible believe not in gods, but in communism - this is the true goal of Soviet atheism.

      Maybe someone will shrug his shoulder at my mention that communism is also a religion. But, I will give the basic principles of religions.

      Unrealizable promises of achieving a higher goal and goodness of good.
      PARADISE among Christians and Muslims. COMMUNISM among the Communists.
      Supreme creators.
      God. Allah. Marx.
      Holy scriptures.
      Bible. Koran. Manifesto (Communism)
      Sons of the Lord.
      Jesus. Muhammad. Lenin.
      Mediators between God and humans.
      Priests. Mules Secretaries. (starting from a team of 10 people)
      Strict adherence to dogmas and suppression of dissent.
      Inquisition. Gazavat. Repression.

      Because there was only one goal - to attract new adherents, the principles of construction were the same, and this all caused a tough, bloody rivalry between these three religions.

      In general, religions unite people only in mono-communities. But such mono-communities, with a single look at everything, cannot be in principle.

      Religions ONLY disconnect people. The main thing in religions.
      They are not Christians. They are not Muslims. They are not Catholics. They are not Protestants. They are not sunni. They are not Shiites. THEY ARE NOT OURS.
      The Irish are one nation, but the Irish Catholics are killing Irish Protestants and vice versa. Iraqis are one nation, but Iraqis are Sunni at every opportunity, blowing up Iraqi Shiites and vice versa.

      As long as there are religions, the world will be divided.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE April 29 2013 22: 55 New
        0
        The legend of the tower of Babel, maybe it's a defense mechanism ...?
  • Canep
    Canep April 28 2013 08: 35 New
    +6
    In my opinion, the Americans simply recruited and instructed Gorbachev what to do, and agreed with the Arabs to lower prices, so the union collapsed. The Chinese are still living in communism, and quite steadily. And now they are trying to ruin Russia - “divide and conquer”.
    1. Murat 09
      Murat 09 April 28 2013 08: 43 New
      -3
      Sergey, that's why I mentioned that as soon as the authorities rotted, people without Vera also rotted. After all, not one of the 17 million communists opposed Gorbaty. Pardon, there was one, Sazhi Umalatova, an ethnic minor, a chock, as some people like to say, and unfortunately on this site, who proposed the resignation of Gorbi, but for some reason not a single Russian deputy supported. And now imagine the situation in any Islamic country where the leader was bought and he wants to ruin the country and impose liberalism. How many seconds will he live after that, and ???
      1. vilenich
        vilenich April 28 2013 08: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: Murat 09
        there was one, soot Umalatova

        Well, why, there was Nina Andreeva with the famous article "I can not give up principles!" and she’s not alone. But there was no systemic counteraction! After all, the bulk of the people trusted the country's leaders, and when they sold out to the West, they followed them by inertia for a long time. I recall how I myself listened to the first speeches of Gorbachev after he came to power and was amazed how beautifully he says, nothing is clear, probably very clever and not everyone can understand his maxims. Only over the years did it come to understand that he was grinding some nonsense without much sense. So we heard!
        The development of history is going on in a spiral, so it is likely that at a new level we can still return to lost values.
        I would like to quote Ivan Turgenev about this:
        Russia can do without each of us, but none of us can do without it. Woe to the one who thinks it, doubly woe to the one who really does without it.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa April 28 2013 09: 31 New
          +7
          Quote: vilenich
          The development of history is going on in a spiral, so it is likely that at a new level we can still return to lost values.
          "December 30 marks the 90th anniversary of the founding of the USSR. On the eve of this date, Washington suspected Moscow of a desire to revive the Soviet Union. Why are Americans afraid of post-Soviet integration? Which side will Ukraine and Georgia take? We talked about this with television journalist and political scientist Mikhail Leontyev. - I have a difficult attitude towards the USSR. The best for me was the continuity of the Russian Empire. I live in a country that does not exist for 80 years and not 21, but at least more than a thousand. And the merit of not the Bolsheviks at all, but of the Stalinists was that after the collapse they restored the country. It was easy to live. Individual prospects were few. But a lot of free time and luxurious human and intellectual communication. But it really was a great power that created the best science in the world. And the organization of science in the current USA is an attempt to catch up with us. And the social capitalism that we see is absolutely our merit. And its present inevitable collapse is the consequences of the Soviet absence in the world. The organization of the world was built on a bipolar confrontation. It was his stabilizer, his mover and his survival system. And when one of the two taut beams of this building structure collapsed, the second rejoiced. And why was she happy, what is she holding onto now? Promoting post-Soviet reintegration, Putin (or not Putin, be someone else in his place) stands in direct confrontation with the United States, that is, with the West. The problem is not integration, but that they do not need it. Once again, I refer to Brzezinski: "Russia is always a power with Ukraine, without Ukraine it is always not." So, the United States must at all costs prevent Ukraine from returning to Russia's cultural, economic, military-political orbit ... Put “Eurasian integration” in the place of “Ukraine” and you will see Clinton quoting Brzezinski.
          - But for now, we can only talk about the Customs Union with Belarus and Kazakhstan.
          - We are talking about post-Soviet reintegration! We are talking about Kyrgyzstan. And about Uzbekistan, maybe in some form. This is a semblance of a large “historical” Russia. If the USA reacts so nervously, then probably they have reason to be afraid. Let's listen to our smart enemies, they are telling the truth. We need Russia, a power, but they don’t. Russia is a state, a valuable entity, while Ukraine is not. We also have oligarchic clans, but they are forced to somehow position themselves relative to the state. There is no state there except a coalition of semi-criminal clans: neither geopolitically, nor ideologically, nor morally. All post-Soviet republics are ultimately such projects. Small ones - like some kind of Latvia, or big ones - like the great, unbroken Ukraine. But all these are geopolitical projects to destroy Russia, or at least to create permanent obstacles and problems for us. Integration begins with a military-political union. There would be no European Union if there was no roof over it - NATO. Only a military-political union can ensure a common political discipline - once, and the second - not to turn the differences of the elites, including very sharp economic contradictions, into political confrontation. http://www.kp.ru/daily/26009/2933611/
          1. vilenich
            vilenich April 28 2013 09: 45 New
            +6
            Quote: Kaa
            Moscow suspected Moscow of wanting to revive the Soviet Union.

            As for me, this is a completely justified desire. Russia over its long history has always grown in lands and the desire to unite the post-Soviet states into a single organism is quite justified. Another thing is that it does not meet support from national elites and it is quite possible that revival is possible through a military and economic union. After all, this is an objective reality and in my opinion it is only a matter of time.
            1. Kaa
              Kaa April 28 2013 09: 59 New
              +5
              Quote: vilenich
              Another thing is that it does not meet support from national elites
              The answer to your comment in the same interview: "- Inside the post-Soviet countries, who is not most interested in integration?
              - All post-Soviet elites. Therefore, integration takes place in degenerate forms - in the form of “customs unions”. The national elites of the post-Soviet countries position themselves only in relation to Russia and against Russia, otherwise their existence is generally meaningless. This is the basis of their identity. Here Kuchma (ex-president of Ukraine. - Ed.) Writes an idiotic book "Ukraine is not Russia." But if Ukraine is not Russia, for this you do not need to write a book of a thousand pages!
              “And what shall we do with these hostile elites?”
              - Appeal to people through their heads. You have to understand that the European choice is for Ukraine, for Georgia, for Azerbaijan, and that’s ridiculous. There is no such choice! Europe is closed from the outside and is likely to fall apart from the inside. Nobody is waiting for anyone there. Any mentally adequate Ukrainian independent and independent man admits: “We, of course, understand that integration with Russia is a direct benefit, but then we will lose independence.” Horrible!
              - Why Russia all this post-Soviet convoy, torn by internal contradictions?
              - This is not a convoy! This is a piece of our country. How many contradictions! But in our country Tatarstan is not torn by contradictions, not to mention the North Caucasus ?! And Moscow is not torn by contradictions here ?! We collect our body, we sew on our own legs, we tear off our torn ear and insert our broken eye back. Eurasian integration is a great idea. Its implementation puts us in direct confrontation with our geopolitical adversary. Friendship or surrender to a geopolitical adversary is a disaster. Therefore, the only thing that can be is a confrontation. And this is the only way to avoid war. You do not inspire the enemy of illusions that you can be taken with your bare hands. I remember the phrase of our Soviet deputy foreign minister, Yulia Vorontsova, who said: "It is better to fight fundamentalism under Jalalabad than Ashkhabad." Then they thought that this was ridiculous, nonsense, that he scared us. Now what is Ashgabat? Now we will fight fundamentalism near Orenburg, near Kazan, near Rostov. Retreating from any position, we will inevitably surrender them to the enemy. So, we will retreat from other positions further. If Russia does not show the world, first of all to those whom we want to integrate, the great integration projects against the background of the general crisis, it will not solve anything. We need a magnet that will attract these countries against the will of the elites. This is high-quality economic growth based on internal resources and capabilities. Integration is a matter of our joint physical survival. But we must provide it, because we are historical Russia. It is necessary to be Navalny’s malorussky idiot in order to proclaim the slogan that Russia should become “a small cozy democratic national state”. Such Russia does not happen! In the process of forming a small, cozy and national Russia will destroy itself as a nation, as a state, as a historical subject, as a culture. The idea of ​​a nation state has failed everywhere. Not to mention that any nation-state is squalor. There is no bouquet of crops, no flowering. This is a very flat, dumb education. This is Bandera hopak. And in the Russian form, such an education would be no less wretched, if it could physically exist at all. Fortunately, this is not so. The future belongs to the Empires. I mean organic multicultural societies, which, by the way, are Russia and the USA. Integration is uncontested. But there can be no integration separately from the tasks of global reindustrialization of Russia. Without new industrialization, the country will perish. She will not unite anyone and will not restrain herself. Http://www.kp.ru/daily/26009/2933611/
              1. vilenich
                vilenich April 28 2013 10: 34 New
                +4
                Quote: Kaa
                Integration is a matter of our joint physical survival.

                Apparently this is the key phrase. Basically I agree with the above, except for some nationalistic points. We do not fit into the golden billion and the role that the West has assigned us is extremely unenviable. Therefore, the question is precisely in the plane co-survival.
                And about the “small cozy democratic national state”, the idea of ​​a small mobile army and the words of George Washington are still recalled:
                In 1787, the US Congress was inclined to legally limit the size of a standing army to ten thousand people.
                “Excellent thought,” Washington said. - And at the same time, by law, we limit the size of the enemy army to five thousand.
                The resolution on limiting the size of the army did not pass.
      2. djon3volta
        djon3volta April 28 2013 09: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Murat 09
        Sooty Umalatova, national speaker, chock as some people like to say, and unfortunately on this site, who proposed the resignation of Gorbi, but for some reason no Russian deputy supported her.

        and here there is one secret, many do not understand this, but almost everyone does not understand this. To understand this, you need to think deeply and not emotion with good obscenities!
        Vladimir Putin creates the image of a strong man. In addition, the Caucasus is well aware that in the event of a collapse of the country, small nations will be affected first of all.

        why do you think the Caucasus, Tatarstan, Bashkiria strongly vote for Putin? that’s the secret because they understand that if they hack the country to ruin, it’s they who will suffer first of all, that is, small nations. They understand this, so 99.9% vote for Putin in Chechnya.

        Read on: http://izvestia.ru/news/549056
        1. Murat 09
          Murat 09 April 28 2013 09: 28 New
          +1
          John, and what does Putin have to do with it (I am also Putin’s supporter now) I spoke about Stalin. Yes, in the Caucasus, many people vote for Putin, because in return he can come Lesha bulk, a creature of the West, Natsik liberal. And this is a war, no one wants a war.
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta April 28 2013 10: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Murat 09
            John, and what does Putin have to do with it (I am also Putin’s supporter now) I spoke about Stalin.

            Well, here you can hold some parallels. To save the country in wartime, we need sacrifice. Putin started a military company in Chechnya to stop the chaos and prevent them from separating. Chechen separation, the beginning of the collapse of the country. CIS countries do not count, they so the individual were in fact. so did Stalin deported those who interfered with the victory or development of the country.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 09: 36 New
        +7
        Quote: Murat 09
        And now imagine the situation in any Islamic country where the leader was bought and he wants to ruin the country and impose liberalism. How many seconds will he live after that, and ???

        Will rule! Afghanistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt can be continued further. Where is your faith, only murders and betrayals.
        1. Murat 09
          Murat 09 April 28 2013 09: 51 New
          -6
          Sasha, and where do you see the collapse, liberalism in the countries you have listed, for some reason they don’t drink, don’t inject, their women are not involved in prostitution, there is no pornography on TV screens, demographics are in order. Yes, maybe the leaders there will sometimes submit to the West, you won’t argue against the force, I’m talking about their internal policy, it’s a pity that you didn’t understand this. In these countries of murder, crimes of psychos per capita are ten times less than ours, mind there are no psychotherapists, because Believers do not need them. I personally will say to myself, before I realized Vera, I was a very nervous, cowardly person, constantly depressed or aggressive, after I realized Vera I had almost no stress (2 or three times in 10 years), I became calm and balanced.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 10: 11 New
            12
            Quote: Murat 09
            Sasha, and where do you see the collapse, liberalism in the countries you have listed

            What is it now? Maybe I can buy glasses, otherwise I see something wrong. I see that in Egypt there are Muslim brothers, and Mursi himself is a pro-American six or not? Qatar and the Saudis directly sponsor terrorism and do not care that faith does not allow or is it not? Bahrein and others, what is faith there or just words about it? Trade in organs and heroin - does Allah allow it?
            With regards to the internal affairs, who stone women, where they are executed, for the slightest retreat? Where is the faith that you are talking about, maybe in Pakistan where the Islamists are ready to execute children for insulting the faith. Maybe in Bahrain, where the mules are allowed to cut and rape in the name of Allah? WHERE???????????
            1. Kaa
              Kaa April 28 2013 10: 22 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I see that in Egypt there are Muslim brothers, and Mursi himself is a pro-American six or not? Qatar and the Saudis directly sponsor terrorism and do not care that faith does not allow or is it not?
              And they continue to carry their ideas: "The ZMAN.com portal published material prepared by Sergei Marfin, under the heading" Saudi newspaper: Egypt is time to annex Gaza "The author of one of the sections in a daily Saudi newspaper close to the authorities called on Egypt to annex the Gaza Strip, which he owned in 1948-1967, before the capture of the sector by Israel. According to him, this step will protect the people of Gaza from the constant aggression of Israel and at the same time ease the tensions between Egypt and Israel, the reason for which is the conflict between Israel and Hamas. According to Ibrahim al-Majri, Anwar Sadat and his inner circle committed this betrayal, refusing to sign the Gaza Strip at their own discretion when signing a peace treaty with Israel, without consulting the parliament, their own people and Palestinians. Joining the sector to Egypt will not violate the spirit of the peace treaty, the principles of the Arab initiative and the interests of the residents of the sector themselves. On the contrary, they will only win, because Cairo will take care of their safety. The latter will also benefit by reducing tension in its relations with Israel over Gaza. This tension is damaging Egypt’s national security, its economy and embarrassing in the diplomatic sense, as the international community insists on controlling the border between Egypt and the Gaza Strip. Finally, a Saudi journalist recalls a geographical factor - 57 kilometers of Israeli territory that divide Gaza and the West Bank. The Israeli authorities will never give up this land, because they will not go to the voluntary dissection of their own state. Thus, the physical unification of the two parts of the Palestinian state is a pipe dream that only harms attempts to liberate Palestine. Instead, Al-Majri writes, it would be better to complete the liberation of the Gaza Strip after the recent victory over Israel and include its territory in Egypt, giving access to the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip “to the land of freedom and justice, revolution and mutual respect.” After that, it will be possible to concentrate on supporting residents and freeing the West Bank, which is currently receiving little attention.; and it is Israel that is interested in diverting the attention of the world to Gaza, in order to quietly carry out the creeping settlement of Jerusalem and its environs, to expand settlements and alienate Palestinian lands. (ZMAN.com)
              http://www.regnum.ru/news/medicine/1607767.html#ixzz2RjiJcn63
            2. Murat 09
              Murat 09 April 28 2013 10: 53 New
              -5
              Well, yes, Mursi is bad for you, and who Mubarak was, if not twice three times pro-American. About stoning women, and where did you see it, for the whole two-billionth Islamic world one or two cases a year. And let's Alexander, we will not argue with you on the site, somehow let's unsubscribe and I will try to answer your questions on Skype, but not a lot of work now, how will free time appear, will I write, okay?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 11: 11 New
                +4
                Quote: Murat 09
                Well, yes, Mursi is bad for you, and who was Mubarak, if not twice three times pro-American

                When Mubarok was peace and tranquility, overthrown and what is there now?
                Quote: Murat 09
                About stoning women, and where did you see it, for the whole two-billionth Islamic world, one or two cases a year

                Well, of course.
                Quote: Murat 09
                , somehow let's unsubscribe and on Skype I’ll try to answer your questions,

                If you had something to cover, then you would answer now!
          2. anarh
            anarh April 28 2013 17: 04 New
            +1
            Passed - for a log in a stranger's eye.
            For Faith +
  • treskoed
    treskoed April 28 2013 08: 40 New
    -2
    No "... isms" (socialism, communism, etc.) are already working, because they all give rise to a "damned caste" when one is possible, the other is impossible! Only the triumph of the Law and the unconditional responsibility of ALL who violate its requirements will save the country!
    1. Murat 09
      Murat 09 April 28 2013 08: 45 New
      +2
      Treskoed, and who will monitor compliance with the law and responsibility as well ?? Isn't that damned caste!
      1. treskoed
        treskoed April 28 2013 10: 40 New
        +1
        So far, unfortunately, this is so. From here and everything else ....
  • Selevc
    Selevc April 28 2013 08: 54 New
    +1
    In any country, regardless of the "isms", there should be a basic level of social justice ... Namely, people working in the real sector of the economy - no matter what position or profession they should live in worthily !!! Let poor - but with dignity ...
    And if one part of the population clearly lives on (without really creating anything) and doesn’t even hide their super-profits, while others (working people) obviously lead a semi-poor or very poor way of life, then this will cause friction in society and the whole country’s corruption in as a whole, no matter how patriotic all words were !!!
    And while this happens, the real progress of the country will be moving in dwarf steps against the background of negative processes growing at a tremendous pace !!!
    1. vilenich
      vilenich April 28 2013 09: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Selevc
      Let poor - but with dignity ...

      As Zhvanetsky said:
      The first ruined poor in the world appeared in Russia.

      He’s a comedian, he’s excusable ...
      1. a jacket
        a jacket April 28 2013 10: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: vilenich
        He’s a comedian, he’s excusable ...

        Yes, he is an enemy, an enemy. Though talented. I’ve been running all my life, offering myself wholesale and retail. Just to sell more expensive. Once he said that he was on tour in Vladivostok. In the morning, sailors marched past his hotel for service. He said with an expression that, supposedly, a black river flowed. He grabbed his head and asked, "Well, why do we need so many sailors? Are we going to fight with the whole world?" He is doing well in a new life. And what, generally speaking, did he do, did something? But he ate all the time, wore underpants and watches, ran into the hospital and roamed around restaurants. Well, the fees knocked out.
        1. vilenich
          vilenich April 28 2013 12: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: jacket
          Yes, he is an enemy, an enemy. Though talented. I’ve been running all my life, offering myself wholesale and retail.

          Yes, this concerns all of Bohemia. Molchanov (a television operator) had just appeared on television and proudly declared that he always hated the Soviet regime and the USSR. It became disgusting to listen further ...
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr April 28 2013 09: 04 New
    +3
    WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FAITH ..... (((((FROM THE THOUGHTS OF THE SMART OUR COMMUNITIES))))
    V.S. Soloviev
    "The Byzantines believed that in order to be truly a Christian, it is enough to observe the dogma and sacred rites of Orthodoxy, not caring to give a political and social life to the Christian character; they considered it permissible and meritorious to shut down Christianity in the temple, providing the whole public pagan principles "

    “Pagan principles determined the whole life of this empire, as later - of ours” A. Bezhitsyn.

    Russia was originally two-door - Orthodoxy and Islam. Now ver has become more. This is due to wars, relocations ... Cultures penetrate one another.

    The main religions represented in Russia are Christianity (mainly Orthodoxy, there are also Catholics and Protestants), as well as Islam and Buddhism. At the same time, part of the population of the Russian Federation is unbelievers.

    Ivan groznyj:
    "I am the beast, but I reign over the beasts."

    Peter the Great:
    “I’m not dealing with people, but with animals that I want to transform into people”

    So, to what faith does Russia belong? WHAT DO THE PEOPLE BELIEVE?
    N. Berdyaev:
    "The Russian man is in the grip of false morality, the false ideal of a righteous, perfect, holy life, which weakened him in the fight against temptations."
    N. Berdyaev
    "A Russian person is either a pig or right away a saint, and he is bored of being a simple law-abiding citizen."

    SO WHERE ARE WE GOING:
    19th century satirical rhymes:
    "Not to the earthly way, close,
    Created, called our people,
    And to something unknown,
    Incomprehensible, wonderful
    Even seems heavenly
    The secret voice is calling him. "

    And THIS IS ALREADY ABOUT US:
    A. Bezhitsyn
    "The proverb" What is the pop, such is the parish "can be expanded to the limits of the state."

    “It is absurd,” wrote V.S. Soloviev, “it would be to believe in the final victory of the dark forces in humanity, but the near future is preparing for us such tests that history did not know”
    A. Bezhitsyn:
    “Communism also fell completely inglorious and not at all as a result of a spiritual upsurge - it fell solely because of the regime’s inability to at least feed the country. The key word that inspired the driving forces of the “revolution” of the late 80s and 90s of the 1917th century was not “democracy” and not “Orthodoxy”, but the very earthly word “sausage”. Recall that the lack of bread and bread lines played a decisive role in the events of XNUMX. "

    WHERE ARE WE: P.Ya. Chaadaev:
    "They say about Russia that it belongs neither to Europe nor to Asia, that this is a special world.
    So be it. But we must also prove that mankind, in addition to its two sides, defined by the words - West and East, has a third party "- A CAN AND THE TRUTH!

    F. Dostoevsky:
    "Suppose we are a great power, but I just want to say that it costs us too much - much more than other great powers, and this is a bad sign."

    WE WILL LIVE ACCORDING TO A.S. PUSHKIN:

    ... while we burn with freedom,
    While hearts for honor are alive,
    My friend, dedicate to the fatherland
    Souls are wonderful impulses!
    Comrade, believe: she will rise,
    Captivating Star of Happiness,
    Russia will rise from sleep ...
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru April 28 2013 13: 12 New
      +5
      Until in this country (Russia, of course), the population takes up historical memory, does not repent and does not return to the path that it has evolutionarily followed for centuries, i.e. monarchy, and from which it was artificially curtailed by the Bolsheviks for 94 years ago for German intelligence money, it will be, as Fyodor Sologub wrote:
      "Great empire
      Crumbled to dust
      And the wild tribe looks
      Damn vaudeville "

      and Voloshin Maximilian Alexandrovich in the 1917 year ...
      With Russia over ... In the wake
      We blundered her, chatted,
      Proluzgali, drank through, spit,
      Zayzgali on dirty squares,
      Sold out on the streets: no need to
      To earth, republics, yes freedoms,
      Civil rights? And the people of the motherland
      He dragged himself on the pus like.
      Oh Lord, scattered, bored,
      Fire, ulcers and scourges have come upon us
      Germans from the west, Mongol from the east,
      Give us slavery again and forever
      To atone humbly and deeply
      Judah's sin before the Last Judgment!
      “Russia is over ...
      Oh Lord, scattered, bored,
      Fire, ulcers and scourges have come upon us
      Germans from the west, Mongol from the east,
      Give us slavery again and forever
      To atone humbly and deeply
      Judah's sin before the Last Judgment! ”
      And he
      “And after the heroes and leaders
      a predator sneaks, a flock of greedy
      To the power of Russia boundless
      open and sell to enemies
      Dishonor her heaven
      rot her wheat piles
      Eat wealth, burn forests
      and pump out the seas and ores "
      November 1924, XNUMX
      1. lecturer
        lecturer April 28 2013 14: 06 New
        +3
        Thank Appologet!
        Of the entire array expressed, ALL from the heart and soul !!! And, your “highlight” to the Restoration of the Monarchy (!) Is perhaps the only (but impossible!) OPTION to RESTORE the power of our PEOPLE !!!
        PS / Gentlemen, tell me or bring me at least one "foreign" country in which the people SO can discuss their GENERAL popular problems. "And only in dispute - the truth!".
    2. radio operator
      radio operator 3 May 2013 08: 33 New
      0
      Quote: AleksUkr
      WE WILL LIVE ACCORDING TO A.S. PUSHKIN:

      ... while we burn with freedom,
      While hearts for honor are alive,
      My friend, dedicate to the fatherland
      Souls are wonderful impulses!
      Comrade, believe: she will rise,
      Captivating Star of Happiness,
      Russia will rise from sleep ...

      A necessary companion of a democratic society is bureaucracy. Pushkin, well aware of the danger of Decembrism, called on the nobles "to serve the fatherland faithfully, with the goal of sincerely and zealously connecting with the government in the great feat of improving government regulations, and not to hinder it, insanely persisting in secret ill-will."
      Count Strutinsky writes how Pushkin conveyed to him a conversation with the Tsar in the Miracle Monastery of 18 of September 1926 of the year: “Youth is fever, madness,” Pushkin told the Tsar. “It leads to great stupidity, and even to great guilt. You know that I was considered a revolutionary, a conspirator, an enemy of the autocracy. This is what I really was. Freedom that does not recognize anything on earth or in heaven; Pride that does not take into account traditions and customs; Denial of all faith in the afterlife of the soul, all religious rites - all this filled my head seducer chaos ... It seemed to me that obeying the law is humiliation, all power is violence, the Tsar is an oppressor and that it is commendable to encroach on him in word and deed. I did not remember myself with joy when I was denied entry to the capitals and surrounded by surveillance. I imagined that he’s become great and scared the hell out of the government, but there’s a time for everything. Everything childish has flown away. And when I looked around, I realized that what seemed so far to be true was a lie, that I loved it was a delusion, and my goals threatened to fall, shame! I realized that freedom, not limited by Divine law, about which the scythes or madmen are rambling, is disastrous for the individual and society ... ”
  • ilya63
    ilya63 April 28 2013 09: 07 New
    +5
    everything is so true that sometimes it even becomes scary. The war against Russia continues and the end and edge are not visible under the current leadership, but as one of the commentators volunteered, no one will leave the feeding trough, and it’s not anyone who’s confronting the army in collapse, ordinary people in their own little world, and values ​​are replaced by more mundane ones (money and other good things). rebirth begins with morality and spiritual values, readiness for self-sacrifice for a great purpose, and it’s now that these fundamentals are undermined starting almost from the moment a person is born, but worthy all the same, the majority of people, the spring is cocked enough and patience can burst at any moment everyone understands this, although nobody wants another civil war in Russia (scary), because in the end there must be an alternative, it’s a shame for the state.
  • valokordin
    valokordin April 28 2013 09: 25 New
    +7
    Socialism will eventually return, as experience has already been and not all people who lived under socialism have died yet, and the current ones would like that. They go to great lengths, messing up the past, by perverting facts and slander, using the same methods that the bourgeoisie used, since no other was invented, including prison. They will rig the election and will continue to do so. They are even afraid to participate in the debate, since they are afraid to pronounce the words of truth, and only know how to diplomatically dodge. But the truth will strike the road, only a lot of pain will have to be experienced. It's a shame that our church, preaching the socialist 10 commandments, continued to protect the bourgeois and even kisses their hands, and not vice versa. Citizens even bow nowhere.
    1. UFO
      UFO April 28 2013 10: 29 New
      +5
      Yes, Socialism is a more progressive form of the structure of society. Because In Capitalism - EVERYTHING, either carefully hidden or poorly veiled - FALSE! Take the concept of "democracy"; "equality of power"; "impartiality of the court", etc. etc., but this is a separate, big topic. We, discussing the actions of the authorities, Putin’s appeal, all the same unconsciously, are waiting for a return to social values ​​and rules. Why don't they understand us in the West? Because they did not try what we know. Why did capitalism triumph? Because it is an older form of society, which originated with intelligent people, when about any state. the device was out of the question, "His Majesty the Stomach" dominated. And Socialism is an artificially invented form. Apparently, Man has not yet matured at this stage of History for Socialism. Judging by how many times Lenin changed his watered. testament, he himself did not thoroughly understand the structure of the Socialist. society. I would like to hope that the generation of the USSR still has time to see the restoration of socialism in Russia with a new degree of development! It was not for nothing that Wang spoke of something like that with respect to Russia! wink hi
      1. SPACE
        SPACE April 28 2013 12: 04 New
        +4
        Socialism from the word society society, based on equality. Kindness, decency,
        conscience, honor, mutual assistance. The benefits of necessity, development, knowledge, creativity, self-restraint, asceticism, a balanced society, lead to prosperity.
        Capitalism from the word capital, money above all, do not need any decency, no conscience and no honor, deception, steal, kill. Stupidity, stupidity. Rabies, debauchery, vice, the search for only easy ways, a dead end, no restrictions, devours itself, leads to self-destruction.
        Choose, there is no other way and no lasting intermediate states, as the current leadership thinks. And in front of 17 year.
        1. UFO
          UFO April 28 2013 12: 26 New
          +3
          [quote = SPACE]
          I agree 100%. We are more experienced than all of humanity, because we have the opportunity to COMPARE! And we know what to choose from. No worse condition - if there is no choice, when you do not know what to choose, when there is nothing to compare! hi
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 April 28 2013 17: 31 New
        0
        [quote = UFO] And Socialism is an artificially invented form. Apparently, Man has not yet matured at this stage of History for Socialism. Judging by how many times Lenin changed his watered. testament, he himself did not thoroughly understand the structure of the Socialist. society.
        Natasha, surprised .....
        Our thoughts coincided 100%. [Quote = UFO] Hopefully, the generation of the USSR will still have time to see the restoration of Russian Socialism with a new degree of development! Not for nothing that Wang spoke of something like that with respect to Russia! [/ Quote]
        And here I am more than sure.
  • valokordin
    valokordin April 28 2013 09: 26 New
    0
    what to add is incomprehensible
  • kress42rus
    kress42rus April 28 2013 09: 26 New
    -1
    if the Bolsheviks had unsettled the Red Terror in the years 20-30, then the USSR as a state would have long been allowed to break out without being born !!!
  • Captain45
    Captain45 April 28 2013 09: 59 New
    -2
    In essence, as I understand it, the author calls for the creative development of the legacy of Marx-Lenin in order to build a new socialist fair society on this basis. But as far as I remember from the history and social science that I studied, Ilyich said I can’t vouch for verbosity, but something like the following : "Imperialism is the highest phase of the development of capitalism. The highest phase of the development of imperialism is imperialist war for the markets. Our task (the RSDLP parties) is to turn the imperialist war into a civil war," according to Lenin, you first need to unleash the imperialist war and convert it into a civil one in order to use the armed way to redistribute the means of production and capital from private hands to public-popular ones. We already went through this in 1917, somehow I don’t really want to.
    1. SPACE
      SPACE April 28 2013 12: 22 New
      -1
      Quote: Captain45
      Already passed it in 1917, somehow I don’t really want to

      You for this:
      Quote: Captain45
      Capitalism from the word capital, money above all, do not need any decency, no conscience and no honor, deception, steal, kill. Stupidity, stupidity. Rabies, debauchery, vice, the search for only easy ways, a dead end, no restrictions, devours itself, leads to self-destruction.

      You should re-read Lenin-Marx ... And compare with today's world. Someone else was able to make a socially equal society? It did not work out on the first try, maybe you should not back down, but try again. Give Socialism 2.
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru April 28 2013 13: 06 New
        +2
        When you praise the members of the VKPb party, DO NOT forget:
        about the memory of 5 million dead soldiers of World War I sold for German money “the day before the Victory”;
        more than 13 million people who died, died during epidemics and emigrated to other countries in the Civil War;
        more than 5 million people who died of starvation 1920-21 years;
        more than 7 million people who died of starvation 1932-33 years;
        more than 1 million 700 thousand people arrested and at least 725 thousand of them shot during the Great Terror of 1937 – 1938 (when on average the state killed a thousand of its citizens daily)
        most of the 28 million people who died in the first period of World War II due to illiterate command and control of repressions in the Army before the war;
        as well as deported, deported, etc.
        Calculate, 13 + 5 + 7 + 0,725 = 25 million 725 thousand - i.e. figuratively at least 376 thousand 635 people destroyed for every year (!) or 1031 people for every day (!) of the 74 years of Soviet power.
        1. SPACE
          SPACE April 28 2013 13: 25 New
          -3
          Quote: Apologet.Ru
          When you praise the members of the VKPb party, DO NOT forget:

          The First World War, the war with Japan, endemic poverty and illiteracy, a complete lag behind the leading keep in everything. Nicholas 2 the anointed one who left Russia to the mercy of fate, the mediocre and stupid leadership of the empire, This is the reason for all subsequent victims ...
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru April 28 2013 14: 52 New
            +1
            Monarchy is an eternal, supreme and always possible principle; if it becomes impossible for any nation, then only through the moral decline of the nation itself. So it is in Russia: “if the Russian idea, although high, is beyond the power of the Russian people themselves, then ... this idea for Russia itself is canceled ... At the same time, the world mission of Russia is also canceled ...”
            1. Selevc
              Selevc April 28 2013 15: 11 New
              -2
              So maybe it’s better instead of the monarchy to return the slave system? And what's great - really, and nothing needs to be changed !!! And the crowd of slaves will work for thanks and the slave owners will profit and the pharaoh is happy !!! :)))
              Quote: Apologet.Ru
              world mission of Russia

              What beautiful and stupid words !!! Live normally, develop, overcome your internal problems and the whole world will turn to you !!! And you will build from yourself again the great world hegemon with a bare backside - it won’t bring to good !!!
      2. Egoza
        Egoza April 28 2013 15: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: SPACE
        You should re-read Lenin-Marx ...

        And even better, re-read the works of I.V. Stalin. There is a solution to almost all the issues that are now tearing society apart.
      3. Captain45
        Captain45 April 28 2013 21: 15 New
        +1
        For SPACE: I wonder where you found in my comment the quote you quoted about capitalism? But Blanca (Lenin) and Mordechai (Marx) didn’t want to read, at one time they forced me to take notes of my studies during my studies. That one, that they hated the other Russia, so I won’t be fooled with them.
        1. SPACE
          SPACE April 29 2013 23: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Captain45
          For SPACE: I wonder where you found in my comment the quote you quoted about capitalism?

          I copied my text, but ended up with your name, why? surprised myself. But you realized that these are not your words? If something is wrong, then excuse me!
          Quote: Captain45
          But Blanca (Lenin) and Mordechai (Marx) have no desire to read,

          Do not be so insulting, you read the essence of their work, and not their assessment and judgment.
  • Semurg
    Semurg April 28 2013 10: 11 New
    +1
    The role of Russia in the modern world is shrinking enough to look at the map of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation. There are very large losses in human reserves and territories, and if you close the taiga and tundra unsuitable for life on the maps, then the losses are very large. When EBN there was a question about the integrity of the Russian Federation and not only nat. republics, but also regions began to introduce money and customs, remember the Urals republican Rossel. In the Far East, 98g, there were popular conversations, we would separate and live like in paradise, as I don’t know now. Putin was able to keep Russia on the very edge, but conversations down the Caucasus are very popular even on this patriotic resource. It seems to me that the patriots of the Motherland are quoted with the first enemies of Russia and the second after the bribes. The day before yesterday, down with Finland, yesterday down with Kazakhstan, today down with the Caucasus, tomorrow down with Tatarstan, the day after tomorrow down with Siberia and the Far East. The Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation are all Russian state formations as a state-forming ethnos and all talk about how many different parts of this whole are down, it’s like cutting off body parts and reducing one’s own capabilities. And with what ideology (socialism, capitalism) will this Russian state be not the first and often again leading to the loss of parts of the whole. I think it will be a shame, but the current Russians are inferior to their ancestors who went through all the copper pipes and built the Great Russian State and never rushed into territories like the current generation does, which sits on the computer’s sofa and only writes down without thinking that this will lead to the further collapse of his state (or maybe they know very well?). I think Russia is all the same as a phoenix or a semurg out of this turmoil and the Russians will be able to recreate their state even if only within the USSR ( and dolomiers will remain users who have spent their lives on the couch) States and especially Great States are built as Gumilev wrote passionaries, not cat dolomiers Those who are afraid of everything and see enemies in everyone, and ideology is a withdrawal from the main thing, reducing the state’s resources, human resources, and the territory’s territor (Russia mustn’t defeat them by force, and so on according to Dulles), which has been done since the 17th year and to this day (Dulles’s doctrine is voiced only V50g and acts much earlier). IMHO
    1. MVS
      MVS April 28 2013 10: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Semurg
      The role of Russia in the modern world is shrinking enough to look at the map of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation. There are very large losses in human reserves and territories, and if you close the taiga and tundra unsuitable for life on the maps, then the losses are very large. When EBN there was a question about the integrity of the Russian Federation and not only nat. republics, but also regions began to introduce money and customs, remember the Urals republican Rossel. In the Far East, 98g, there were popular conversations, we would separate and live like in paradise, as I don’t know now. Putin was able to keep Russia on the very edge, but conversations down the Caucasus are very popular even on this patriotic resource. It seems to me that the patriots of the Motherland are quoted with the first enemies of Russia and the second after the bribes. The day before yesterday, down with Finland, yesterday down with Kazakhstan, today down with the Caucasus, tomorrow down with Tatarstan, the day after tomorrow down with Siberia and the Far East. The Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation are all Russian state formations as a state-forming ethnos and all talk about how many different parts of this whole are down, it’s like cutting off body parts and reducing one’s own capabilities. And with what ideology (socialism, capitalism) will this Russian state be not the first and often again leading to the loss of parts of the whole. I think it will be a shame, but the current Russians are inferior to their ancestors who went through all the copper pipes and built the Great Russian State and never rushed into territories like the current generation does, which sits on the computer’s sofa and only writes down without thinking that this will lead to the further collapse of his state (or maybe they know very well?). I think Russia is all the same as a phoenix or a semurg out of this turmoil and the Russians will be able to recreate their state even if only within the USSR ( and dolomiers will remain users who have spent their lives on the couch) States and especially Great States are built as Gumilev wrote passionaries, not cat dolomiers Those who are afraid of everything and see enemies in everyone, and ideology is a withdrawal from the main thing, reducing the state’s resources, human resources, and the territory’s territor (Russia mustn’t defeat them by force, and so on according to Dulles), which has been done since the 17th year and to this day (Dulles’s doctrine is voiced only V50g and acts much earlier). IMHO

      Strongly said. The Caucasus is the key to the integrity of the Russian Federation, if it is “cut off” this will create a dangerous precedent, the country will continue to collapse even without “debtors”.
      1. Apologet.Ru
        Apologet.Ru April 28 2013 20: 27 New
        +1
        Pride is taken for a great country when you read these lines: “By God's merciful grace we are the Emperor and Autocrat of All Russia, Moscow, Kiev, Vladimir, Novgorod; King of Kazan, King of Astrakhan, King of Poland, King of Siberia, King of Tauric Chersonis, King of Georgia; Sovereign Pskov and Grand Prince Smolensky, Lithuanian, Volyn, Podolsky and Finland; Prince of Estonia, Livonia, Courland and Semigalsky, Samogitsky, Bialystok, Korelsky, Tverskoy, Ugra, Perm, Vyatka, Bulgarian and others; Sovereign and Grand Duke of Novgorod, Nizov lands, Chernigov, Ryazan, Polotsky, Rostov, Yaroslavl, Belozersky, Udora, Obdorsky, Kondi, Vitebsk, Mstislav and all the northern countries ruler and Sovereign of Iversky, Kartalinsky and Kabardian lands and regions; Cherkasy and Mountain Princes and other Crown Sovereign and Possessor; "Sovereign of Turkestan, Heir of Norwegian, Duke of Schleswig-Golstinsky, Stornmarn, Dietmar and Oldenburg and other, and other, and other." And which of the following remains ??
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. April 28 2013 10: 17 New
    +8
    The collapse, decomposition of society began primarily in the elite

    They didn’t start but were always. I advise on this topic http://ivandrozdov.ru/knigi/romany/okkupacija

    And regarding ideology, it is enough to introduce laws banning the exploitation of man by man, banning bank interest to solve most of the issues, the rest are easily solved in the working order.
    I believe that a person who stole an amount of money equal to the average salary multiplied by the average number of years of work (about 40) killed one person by stealing his livelihood, five times more means five people. The situation with huge "earnings" is similar.
  • shitovmg
    shitovmg April 28 2013 10: 41 New
    +2
    The topic is not disclosed, a historical outline and his view on the causes of the disappearance of the USSR are given.
    1. UFO
      UFO April 28 2013 13: 12 New
      +1
      To reveal this topic, you need work no thinner than "Capital"! And this article is an occasion to think again and compare what happened and what happened. hi
  • AK-47
    AK-47 April 28 2013 10: 43 New
    +2
    More Yu.V. Andropov in 1983 was forced to conclude that “we do not know the society in which we live” ... Hand on heart, we must admit that today we do not have exhaustive Marxist studies on this issue.

    ???????????????? fool
  • Ser 47RUS
    Ser 47RUS April 28 2013 11: 02 New
    -1
    And what's the difference of what faith or nationality is a Russian citizen? If only a man was decent!
    I myself am Pskov, and my wife Chuvash - and get along very well!

    And Russia's place in the world is exactly the same as that of Volodya’s political arena.
  • My address
    My address April 28 2013 11: 30 New
    +2
    A Kremlin citizen lives in the Kremlin.
    His enemies are left, right. His friends are those who are for him.
    Citizens of Russia are not interested in him. He is interested in power.
  • d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd April 28 2013 12: 39 New
    +2
    The modern Russian Federation takes an intermediate place, between countries indicating what to do and countries with which they are considered. Alas, this may not last long! What is surprising is how after a terrible war it was possible to take the USSR’s elite (though it got rid of the real enemies of the people) to accumulate such industrial and scientific potential that after 22 years, despite all the efforts of the “democrats,” the country forces itself to reckon with.
  • sudnew.art
    sudnew.art April 28 2013 12: 39 New
    0
    Communist Party advertising?
  • Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru April 28 2013 12: 53 New
    -2
    For all the curious, I highly recommend the documentary “Who paid Lenin. Mystery of the Century
    Not to mention the background of the 1917 coup that brought the Jews to power in Russia, we can only compare at the everyday level the leader of a democratic and monarchist leader: the Monarch is the father of the people and husband of the country. and the president is a roommate or tenant who does not care about the people and their interests. They are not related to him. He has another kindred - FAMILY. But after the "relocation" it is necessary to secure a living ...
    The commies at first DANGERED the color of the nation, then PROFUKED the empire and betrayed the allies, and now AGAIN want the authorities. For 20 years, the former MEMBERS of the Communist Party - the current "slaves in the galleys" - shit-managers, led by Yeltsin, Putin, Medvedev & K, rob Russia and build developed capitalism in individual FAMILIES. ENOUGH 74-year-old “revolutionary” EXPERIMENTS over Russia and 22-year-old “democratic” EXPERIENCES over its peoples! Only the return of the AUTHORITY-MONARCHY-TESTED INSTITUTE TESTED FOR CENTURIES will save Russia!
  • Selevc
    Selevc April 28 2013 12: 55 New
    -2
    Quote: d.gksueyjd
    how it was possible after a terrible war that took the elite of the USSR

    And can you find out what this terrible war is?
  • radio operator
    radio operator April 28 2013 13: 04 New
    +2
    Both Lenin and Stalin repeatedly warned that the death of the party and the state could be the result, first of all, of internal weakness, decay of the leading cadres, violation of the principle of democratic centralism - that is, unity in the party and state leadership of the country.

    Piled all in one pile ...
    With the meaning of life, Lenin saw the triumph of the ideas of the world revolution, Stalin - in the modernization of the country (communism insofar as far from the first place).
    Lenin hated the Russian people and everything Russian: “Rus! .. Rotted? .. Died? .. Died? .. Well! .. Eternal memory to you ...”
    (“True,” 13 of August 1925 of the year) ...
    Stalin: Great Russian sentiments of Stalin were especially evident during the war and
    reached the highest register in his toast speech delivered by him on
    Reception-banquet in honor of the victory over Germany in 1945 year. Here is a part of it
    toast given in the book of aircraft designer A. Yakovlev:
    "Comrades, let me raise another last toast. I would like to
    raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people and, above all, the Russian
    people (present with enthusiastic applause and shouting "Hurray"
    met these words).
    I drink, first of all, for the health of the Russian people because he
    is the most outstanding nation of all the nations that make up
    Soviet Union. I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people because he
    in this war earned general recognition as the leading force of the Soviet
    Union, among all the peoples of our country. I raise a toast to Russian health
    people, not only because he is the leading people, but also because he
    there is a clear mind, persistent character and patience. "
    Moreover, the main attention as a decisive factor was given to the preservation of the fundamental values ​​of socialism and Soviet power on the basis of the creative development of Marxism, taking into account changing circumstances

    Well, you really, excuse me, talk about spirituality and ... Marxism. This is a chimera and utopia, which has proved its complete failure. Recall what Marx said about the Russian people:
    Marx wrote reviews of a historical and philosophical nature, and his overall assessment of Russia was this: here lies a huge lizard, very vicious, with a powerful jaw and small brain (the image used by Marx). For Western civilization, it poses a tremendous threat. According to Marx, the sun of Western civilization cannot go around the world without passing through the Golden Horn Bridge in Constantinople. And it cannot cross this bridge without encountering this monster lying on the road. Therefore, it must be eliminated. Otherwise, Western civilization will not be able to spread throughout the world.
    Harsh statements about Slavs and Russians from the works of Marx in Soviet times were either removed by censorship or, when they leaked out a little, they were explained by the hatred of Marx and Engels towards the Russian autocracy, enslaving and enslaving the people. But this does not explain such, say, the phrase of Marx: “hatred of the Russians was and continues to be with the Germans their first revolutionary passion” or “only a war against Russia is a war of revolutionary Germany” (K. Marx, F. Engels. Collected Works. Second Edition. T. 5, p. 212).
  • shitovmg
    shitovmg April 28 2013 13: 06 New
    +2
    Great country! Even kneeling, could not knock down!
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 28 2013 14: 56 New
    +2
    The spiritual core of Russia is Orthodoxy. Russia was growing for 1000 years, defending itself from enemies with God's help. And Lenin, Trotsky, Marx, etc. - these are the servants of the world fluidism, dreaming of world superiority, communism, liberalism - their teachings. And as for the martyr of Tsar Nicholas II, some write that he was gentle and betrayed his people - this can be said without knowing the true history, not the liberal-Zhidov’s that we are still fed. Many have betrayed the Tsar, but not all, thank God, are many generals, close associates, and even some who belong to the Royal Family, part of the clergy and, most importantly, a large part of the people. The document of renunciation is just a fake of Zhidkov and not more. And now, when almost everyone around you is betrayed, when the people are intoxicated with the novelty of the revolution, not yet realizing what it will lead to and you can snatch something for free, when powerful liquid-masson propaganda is working that defames the Tsar when money flows to the revolutionary the explosion of the Russian Empire, which incidentally won the 1st World War - it should be noted that the Tsar did not hide somewhere in London, but he and his whole family suffered a martyr’s death from the liquid masses (the Rothschilds-Rockefellers and their offspring - communists and liberals) - then put myself in the place of the Tsar with my family and tell myself honestly - maybe I’m gentle and I betray the Tsar and all the martyrs who suffered for Holy Russia.
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru April 28 2013 15: 07 New
      +2
      A colleague fully agrees with you!
      “Tsarist autocratic power, we must strive to recreate, not only because such a desire will be true repentance in our grave sin of the destruction of one of the original principles of Russian life and connivance to this destruction. This aspiration at the same time corresponds to the true Russian ideology, which is nothing but the Orthodox faith and the Russian life based on it in all its fields, from personal to state, why the Russian state should be led by the tsarist autocratic power. The ideology of Russian people will never allow that the basis of state life was not God-given power, that is, constitutional or republican power not based on the Orthodox faith ”(“ Russian Ideology ”).
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop April 28 2013 18: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: Apologet.Ru
        The ideology of a Russian person will never allow that the basis of state life was not God-given power, that is, constitutional or republican power not based on the Orthodox faith ”
        This is not even the point. The tsar, unlike the president, can transfer to his heir only the whole country (and not a piece stolen during the reign). And the future autocrat from power is preparing since childhood, i.e. learn to rule. In fact, this is almost the only PROFESSIONAL in a long series of amateurs (with all other options for government).

        In this case, we have a complete analogue of the largest transnational corporations in which power is also transferred by no means on the basis of “democratic” elections. Why, with such a loud proclamation of the advantages of democracy, the owners of the richest corporations NEVER use this principle when choosing the next leader? Are they SO stupid that they can’t use the declared principle with their own lips? Or is he good only for stupid cattle?
    2. Selevc
      Selevc April 28 2013 16: 00 New
      -2
      This reminds me of a situation where the driver blames the pole for colliding with his car !!! Anyone to blame is not the driver (king) !!! BUT ALL LET THAT COUNTRY - HE !!! If you don’t know how or you can’t - pass the wheel (power) to another, but if I myself have left ... I have nothing to blame for if the hands are growing from the wrong place !!!
    3. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru April 28 2013 20: 03 New
      +1
      There is great reason to believe that there was no renunciation of Nikolai Romanov. In any case, there is no such document in the archives of Russia. And there is ... "A telegram to the chief of the General Staff" with the text, which is signed in pencil, although the sovereign never signed any papers with a pencil. Having deceived Nicholas, the conspirators put pressure on his brother Michael, in whose favor the tsar denied breaking the law (!), And forced the weak-minded Michael I to transfer power to the Provisional Government. The whole chain of violations of the law in this "scheme" is obvious.
      1. Selevc
        Selevc April 28 2013 22: 57 New
        -1
        But what, by and large, is there a difference if there is a paper on abdication or not, and is it correctly framed? There is a fact of renunciation and its consequences !!!
        The fact that the tsar so simply gave himself to be arrested by some crooks at such a difficult and crucial moment for the country already speaks about everything !!!
  • anarh
    anarh April 28 2013 16: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Murat 09
    Elena, how nice to meet an educated, smart, able to reason girl, which is now rare !!! I would probably fall in love with you if I were not married)))),

    Tsa-tsa-tsa.
    What a gallant gentleman.
    Sherbet one, poop - to everyone else.
    This is me about rarity.
    It is like this: among Russian women (excuse me - girls), educated, smart and able to reason are very rare.
    Like in an old joke: "Dear, I don’t understand, did you say hi or sent ... x?
    I foresee the answer: "I did not write this"
    He wrote, dear. wrote.
  • Opera
    Opera April 28 2013 17: 47 New
    +6
    Quote: Murat 09
    Islam can also become an example for the moral revival of the Russian people, for which the West is now an example,

    Quote: Murat 09
    are we to blame for drinking, pricking, etc.

    Murat, you do not make the impression of a stupid person, so I will answer, otherwise I would not speak at all after your posts.
    The Russian people have such a foundation of moral values ​​created by Christianity, Orthodoxy and Orthodox culture, prior to Christian folk wisdom, much of which has absorbed Orthodoxy, such many thousand-year-old folk traditions and customs that the Russian people do not need moral examples from Islam as well as from side of any other religion. By the way, the notorious code of the builder of communism was not so bad, and in the USSR, morality, upbringing, the fight against vices and their general censure were also quite normal. If you didn’t keep a stone in your bosom, but had something else in mind, it turned out to be completely inappropriate for you. It is not necessary to cite the people, in particular the Russian, as an example of morality, which is not characteristic of religion. It will not lead to anything good! We have enough of our own examples.
    Now, with regard to drunkenness and drug addiction and the fact that the West serves as an example to the Russian people! You don’t have to go far for an example - look around on this site! As regards the vices of the above, traditional Islam has the same problems! You yourself write about Caucasian youth - you have something to do in our common home! No need to spray, and even the Russian people, coupled with everything else in terms of morality, Islam will not pull! Even traditional! We can do it ourselves!

    Now, with regards to socialism, I have nothing against it. many of his ideas are incredibly close to Christian values! If socialism will be turned so to speak more towards its people and really will be for the people, if there is no formalism and the factories will really belong to the workers, and the land will be peasants, if socialism will rely on the Orthodox Church and generally the traditional religions of our state in the field of morality and education ... in general, I am for!

    Today is Palm Sunday! My wife and I went to the service, the willow tree shone, the people in the temple sea and the old and young and weak and strong healthy. All Orthodox holiday! All health, happiness and peace!
    Atheists wish the same.
  • Drappier
    Drappier April 28 2013 18: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Murat 09
    And yet, read about the Crusades, with what slogan did they kill ah?

    They are not us, we are not them ... And about your Russian Islam, tell me, what do you smoke?
  • Hleb
    Hleb April 28 2013 18: 31 New
    +1
    By the way, I saw an interesting moment in the news
  • myfutureamerica. org
    myfutureamerica. org April 28 2013 19: 08 New
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    Some commentators have leaked anti-Semitism. The reason for the appearance of anti-Semitism is not related to the negative properties of the Jewish people, or religion itself, which, as everyone knows, is the source of Christianity and Islam, but simply by the fact that the exiled people suffered their state by the Romans and this became the least vulnerable, that is, a cheap scapegoat.

    But in essence, the one who is really rooting for Russia, of course, will try to find the true reason for the past blunders, so that they do not happen again. And, of course, Muslims are not involved in this as a religious society, although in the future interreligious cooperation will be very popular, especially for defining a framework in a multi-ethnic space. Incidentally, there is much to learn from the Americans. There is no tolerance for transnational angry propaganda.

    To understand how Russia should develop, it is necessary to analyze its status without emotions and plan the future using resources in a positive way. Of course, inciting hatred on religious or ethnic grounds will not lead to the settlement of Russia.

    Today’s authorities correctly prioritize, revitalizing the necessary state structures, only with the presence of which one can talk about the planned development of the country.

    Russia's future role will depend on its economic development.

    From the West, and not from anyone at all, help should not be expected. We need to develop our own and independent economy. But I want to live beautifully today and therefore I cannot do without import. Nevertheless, there should be a solid schedule for forcing all sectors to ensure the transition from a raw material economy to a diversified one. This includes all aspects of the state system and requires a lot of time for development, and therefore patience.

    The West, and especially the United States, is not interested in the industrialization of Russia, since, due to the availability of terrestrial resources, it will not be dependent, and due to the presence of nuclear deterrent potential, it will continue to prevent America’s hegemony in the future.

    America feeds its strength from the Dollar, i.e. petrodollar, because oil is sold only for a dollar, which gives it the opportunity to use the world economy for its own purposes and makes it virtually not vulnerable while this role remains with it. This position can only be clarified if there are still some alternative reserve volutes, for example, from the BRIC countries.
    1. Apologet.Ru
      Apologet.Ru April 28 2013 20: 21 New
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      Russia was, is and will be an enemy for the “Western” world, so that they do not hypocritically proclaim and no matter what curtsies towards Russia, languidly smile or “do not build eyes”. The whole historical experience of relations with them shows this. We, for our mentality, are aliens to them, incomprehensible and unpredictable - wild Asians in European clothes - this is terrible (and not the army). And those who are afraid of that and are at war. And no matter what Russia is - a monarchy, sovdepy or democracy, to paraphrase the classics - only that nation is worth anything if it knows how to defend itself!
  • Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet April 28 2013 19: 36 New
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    Personally, I have always believed that democracy is not for Russia. Our country needs as much tar and a little honey as possible, which speaks for itself about socialism. Capitalism strangles our country by the fact that there is a total stratification of society into rich and poor, which causes dissatisfaction of the latter. people db equal and more cohesive.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist April 28 2013 20: 54 New
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    I read the comments and quietly opupil belay . They collected everything from the theory and history of religious teachings to the programs of the collapse of the USSR and Kurban Bayram. And it turns out that everyone around is to blame, we alone are kind and nice people, and all of us are deceiving us.
    It doesn’t happen guys! If migrant workers are being brought down to Moscow, it means that they are imported by local businessmen. And it was imported because many of my acquaintances, Muscovites, at the words "salary of 40 thousand" made a goat's face and turned away squeamishly. Well, Moscow is full of geniuses, the salary should be from 100 thousands, and waving a broom for 20 should be migrant workers. They are not very brilliant. And who will be the streets of revenge? And who will work at construction sites? So do not put everything upside down. Or get used every Saturday to go out into the yard, clean up the garbage.
    As for the bad Caucasians, fighting with the good Russians. I was a week ago a witness - a Chechen of 25 years stuffed his nose with 50-year-old Russian. Of course, a nightmare, of course, it's time to call the NKVD. Only ... Russian is a great human rights activist, together with Kovalev persuading our guys to surrender to the first Chechen one. Under their guarantee. And in my opinion, this Russian is not a nose, but the spine needs to be broken. But as you know, all the patriots voted in chorus about the terrible Chechens. I’m supporting this guy, because the bastard has no excuses because he is of some nationality.
    And so on. It’s all around who we are, Dartanyans alone. Maybe we will deal specifically for each case? And it’s very easy to manipulate people who are looking for an enemy’s hand in everything. I do not want to be manipulated. And I do not want leavened patriots to tell how to love the homeland and build socialism. Seen enough for a lifetime and the "patriots", and the construction of socialism, and the development of capitalism. I want us to be responsible for all our actions ourselves, and fix the problems ourselves, and not look for someone to shoot for it all.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 April 28 2013 21: 23 New
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    And I recommend reading about the role and place of Russia: http://lib.userline.ru/samizdat/33674 and then it will become clear what kind of socialism Blanca, Bronstein, Rosenfeld and other Rabinovichi built.
  • shurup
    shurup April 28 2013 22: 51 New
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    The content of the article does not quite match the title and does not answer the question about the role and place of Russia in this world.
    Meanwhile, Russia, indeed within the borders of the former USSR and some non-numbered republics, is a completely self-sufficient state.
    In the case of a hypothetical disappearance of the rest of the world, Russia would do well without it.
    Why strive to take a role in the theater of the absurd, if you can just live for pleasure?
    But the rest of the world has a place to be. Therefore, Russia needs to defend itself against envious neighbors. If Russia loses, then its fate is unenviable. Jackals and hyenas tear the sick and the weak. The USSR was internally ill, but it was not the triumph of Western democracy that killed it, but, moreover, the ideas of Islamic fundamentalism, as some commentators are trying to suggest.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc April 28 2013 23: 07 New
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      Quote: shurup
      Meanwhile, Russia, indeed within the borders of the former USSR and some non-numbered republics, is a completely self-sufficient state.

      And why is Russia not self-sufficient within its current borders? Many states have achieved much success in much worse conditions !!!
      For example, the German population is almost two times smaller, the territory is many times smaller, their natural resources are few, but they are world leaders in many sectors of the economy and manage to flood the whole world with their products !!! Maybe the real ways of development of the Russian Federation need to be sought in something other than simply in increasing the territory?
      1. Selevc
        Selevc April 28 2013 23: 29 New
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        People minuscule without written objection - I think the demondisputebut losers discussion !!! :)))
        1. shurup
          shurup April 29 2013 11: 07 New
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          It is not you personally who are minus you, but your actual proposal to take the German path of leadership and, for this, reduce the territory and population of the Russian Federation. T.S. drop ballast.
          Germany has a strong mood to do without the rest of Europe and she can afford it. But there is a small "but." Unlike Russia, Germany needs colonies with prosperity and resources to flourish, which it will overwhelm with its products.
          By and large, Germany alone is enough for Russia, and the rest of the world can go to tartars.
          The question is, does Russia need a metropolis?
          1. Selevc
            Selevc April 29 2013 20: 21 New
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            Shurup did you even understand what you wrote? Did I write something about reducing the territory of the Russian Federation? On the contrary, I wrote about development - and development involves the growth and prosperity of the country in all areas ...

            Germany is simply the most vivid example of how a country can overcome difficulties ... This country was in much worse situations in the 20th century than Russia now ... They were twice brought to their knees - the second time they were completely occupied and divided .. They irrevocably lost about 40% of their original territory - notice the territory with which the German population was simply expelled almost without exception !!!
            And nevertheless - they found the strength to develop and prosper, and this ultimately led to the unification of eastern and western lands ...
            Germany does not need colonies to flood them with its products - their products are bought with pleasure by the whole world - especially machine building, chemistry, electronics and machine tools ... And it was like that even before the collapse of the USSR - the union itself was happy to buy German machines ...
            Everyone really likes quality German cars !!! As the Chinese do not fill up the whole world with their cars, but for some reason BMW and Mercedes are popular rather than Cherry and Great Wall ... It is because of German quality ...
            Germany absolutely does not need Russia in terms of the sales market - the rest of the world is enough for them ...
            I am already silent about the quality of life in Germany - the level of social security, infrastructure, quality of service, etc. The whole world is striving for this and therefore there are a lot of people who want to be friends and integrate with Germany ...

            And if in Russia the civilian economy is weak - how much you do not create new weapons - you will not be able to attract anyone into the TS ... Unless with a whip and not a carrot - but this is a bad way of integration - such friendship usually does not last long !!!
      2. Anti
        Anti April 28 2013 23: 53 New
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        Quote: Selevc
        And why is Russia not self-sufficient within its current borders?


        Of course, Russia is sufficient, but modern geopolitical logic suggests that Russia still needs additional territories for such purposes as remaining in the security zone for example.
        1. Selevc
          Selevc April 28 2013 23: 55 New
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          So Russia, and so, can create on its territory complete security for itself, for example, by actively developing the latest types of weapons ...
          1. Anti
            Anti April 29 2013 00: 05 New
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            There is never complete security. In your opinion, all former territories, should be ceded to a geopolitical adversary? He is only waiting for this.
            1. Selevc
              Selevc April 29 2013 00: 18 New
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              No, I didn’t write that the territories of the former USSR need to be conceded to someone - it just seems to me that Russia, first of all, by successfully building its domestic economy and overall its internal progress, will become much more attractive for neighboring countries ... Then a true mutually beneficial integration will be quite possible ...
              1. Anti
                Anti April 29 2013 00: 57 New
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                Based on the available information from various sources, the domestic economy, although slowly, is developing. And for any integration initiative it is necessary to rely on an attractive, social or investment project, I am not strong in these areas. Although the country attracts a huge number of migrant workers, this is also an indicator.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 28 2013 23: 07 New
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    Russia today is a straw, but that straw that breaks the ridge of a camel and only depends on Russia, this camel speaks Chinese or English
  • zevaka84
    zevaka84 April 28 2013 23: 26 New
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    The trouble is, the current Communists are not capable of big things. They really can’t even win the election.
  • Selevc
    Selevc April 28 2013 23: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: zevaka84
    The trouble is, the current Communists are not capable of big things. They really can’t even win the election.

    The whole trouble is that they are not Communists, but in general it is not clear who !!! Have you long seen a communist risking a career, wealth and even life for his job? They are the same capitalists - only for some reason under the red flag !!! They take full advantage of the benefits of capitalism - they drive in hated bourgeois Mercedes, their children study in hated bourgeois universities, their closest relatives are quite successful businessmen, and even they, after retirement, steer good finances ... Naturally, all the political activities of such typical communists are practically zero or a number comparable to zero !!! :)))
  • runway
    runway April 29 2013 09: 21 New
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    Who has pain - that’s what he says ...
    The author is about the theory of Marxism - Leninism, confirmed in practice, commentators on nationalism, sliding into neo-Nazism .... That's really it: “Hand on heart, we must admit that today we do not have exhaustive Marxist studies on this issue, with the exception of the works of A. Zinoviev, S. Kara-Murza, Yu. Zhukov, Yu. Emelyanov and several more talented researchers "
  • ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy April 29 2013 13: 40 New
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    Quote: Murat 09
    Therefore, I am for the union of Islam and Russia

    I would like to ask you Murat, with which particular Islam it is necessary to conclude an alliance. Islam and Islam are not extremely united. Dozens, if not hundreds of currents and directions, from extremely aggressive to blurry to zero. In the modern world, not Christians are fighting with Muslims, but Muslims are fighting among themselves, Sunnis against Shiites, moderate with Wahhabis, etc. And the ideas of Christianity are no worse than the ideas of Islam, the trouble is that people do not want to follow these ideas. Well, it’s absolutely wrong to determine the development of a country with a dominant religion. There are many more countries in the world that are more developed than Malaysia and have a different religion than Islam.
  • Forget
    Forget April 29 2013 16: 28 New
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    I think that the whole society develops according to some laws that have not yet been revealed, just as it happens in nature. But undoubtedly one process is slowly going on to align and unite all the countries of the world. Everything is against the WTO, but nevertheless, countries, one by one, are joining it, I predict the disappearance of state borders in the future ...
  • washi
    washi April 29 2013 16: 32 New
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    Everyone ran into religion, But we have a secular state. And all the preferences given by the state to any religion are not legal. This also applies to the transfer of museum complexes and mass prayers.
    I was interested in another phrase in the article: There is such a party, its name is the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and from a practical and theoretical point of view it should be fully prepared to take power and be historically responsible for leading the country out of the historical impasse and for new perspectives.
    Zyuganov sold the election to Yeltsin. Communist Party grabs money like all other parties. How is this party better?
    We need a new party and new leaders. For example, a party of veterans of the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the KGB and the military-industrial complex.
  • Rubik
    Rubik April 29 2013 18: 14 New
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    The Korean War and the Vietnam War ended in victory for our allies

    Well, yes, yes, yes, what kind of victory was in Korea interesting to me? If they won, today there would be no South Korea. Does the author even know that Kim Il Sung began a campaign to the South? And he lost, because he did not achieve his goals, he only killed a bunch of people.
  • Rubik
    Rubik April 29 2013 18: 19 New
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    The aggression of England, France and Israel against the progressive regime of Gamal Abdel Nasser in Egypt in 1956 ended a day after the actual ultimatum of Moscow.

    The actions of England and France are quite understandable, they invested a lot of effort and money in the construction of the Suez Canal, and some turkey came and declared it his own without any compensation. Imagine if you do this with your property and with your economic interests. And the ultimatum was not only from Moscow, but also from Washington.
  • builder74
    builder74 April 29 2013 20: 13 New
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    In order to preserve and revive the country, we need to purposefully, from kindergarten, teach children the love of their homeland, teach unity. And also in the fire order, to revive the Russian people, as the basis of Russia. The national republics maintain their culture. Russians are everywhere, but there is no national policy for them. Torn away from the sources, from faith, from culture, the people degenerate! Separation of people, vilification, drunkenness, licentiousness - all this has become widespread. And not from 91, but earlier. It is necessary to revive, plant, propagandize Russian folk culture, traditions. Media, Internet under control. Spit on democracy, tolerance (what a word!), Censorship, the fate of the country is at stake!
  • Igor77
    Igor77 April 30 2013 12: 35 New
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    Almost all states are covered by a web of world government, including ours. It follows that decisions are not made by presidents and prime ministers. This is the first. The brains of slaves i.e. us, with the help of not unknown means, are washed regularly. These are two. Ideas, concepts, religions, etc. it’s all just a tool for managing, manipulating people of different morals. These are three. The history from the idea to the embodiment of world domination dates back millennia and has not been openly discussed anywhere and will not be allowed to be discussed. If all this is taken into account, all events bearing a chaotic order will be put in place. Good luck. hi