Indignant Tajikistan

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Not bad, Tajikistan turned out to be angry with the information that he had heard about himself from Russia during the week. It all started with the fact that Gennady Onishchenko, jointly with the Federal Drug Control Service and immigration authorities, decided to “take a walk” on trains running from Tajikistan to Moscow and back. Then the chief sanitary doctor of Russia caught the Tajik railway carriers saying that they keep their compositions in unsanitary condition. They and his subordinates inspected the cars of the Tajik train and found numerous violations of sanitary standards: from sleeping places to the dining car.

Specialists from the Federal Drug Control Service reported that lately the Dushanbe-Moscow and Kulyab-Moscow trains have become the most genuine courier trains for transporting narcotic drugs from the countries of Central Asia to Russia, which, not without the help of conductors, were equipped to transport opiates.

The migration services had a question that trains from Dushanbe annually bring thousands of illegal immigrants to Russia, who move from Tajikistan to the technical wagon boxes, trying to hide from checks at the customs.
Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government Dmitry Rogozin also took part in inspections of the Tajik trains. Rogozin attended to the fact that Tajik citizens enter Russia with internal passports of Tajikistan, which does not allow identification, as expressed by the vice-premier.

After checking the Tajik trains, it was decided to create special points at which you would be selectively checking the passengers of these trains for the presence of drugs in the blood and urine. If this availability is determined, then such a person will be permanently denied entry into the territory of the Russian Federation. Such measures for many labor migrants from Tajikistan who enter Russia are effective and at the same time very frightening, because to lose the very possibility of entering Russia means losing the opportunity to earn money, since in Tajikistan itself the situation with the labor market is, to put it mildly, not brilliant, and Russia for many men is the only opportunity to feed the family.

Indignant Tajikistan


The actions of the Russian inspection bodies caused outrage among the Tajik authorities. In particular, the main foreign ministry of Tajikistan said that a real information campaign had unfolded in Russia, fueled by the media, the purpose of which was to humiliate the dignity of the Republic of Tajikistan and discredit its authority.

The representative of the Tajik Foreign Ministry Abulfaiz Atoev said that the campaign was so powerful that Russia decided to use even federal officials in it. At the same time, Atoev emphasized that Russia, for some reason, draws attention exclusively to Tajik labor migrants, although, according to his data, the total number of guest workers in the Russian Federation is about 13 of millions of people.

The indignation of the Tajik authorities continued after the words that one of the main political showmen of Russia, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, gave out on television. The leader of the Liberal Democratic Party in the duel program, in particular, stated:
They know that Russia has money. Pay more! Here we tell them, we will no longer take your workers to us to work. Then what will Rahmon (head of the republic) do? He is well aware that he is finished. For the Afghan Islamists will trample Tajikistan. And he, like Najibullah, will be hanged in the center of Dushanbe.


The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Tajikistan expressed its outrage at the words of Vladimir Zhirinovsky, calling them offensive and not in line with the spirit of the traditional friendship of Tajikistan and the Russian Federation.

In addition, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Tajikistan said that Dmitry Rogozin, who checked Tajik trains, distorts the facts, speaking of Tajik passports. The same Atoev remarked that Tajik citizens, it turns out, buy their tickets for the train to Russia, solely on foreign passports, because the train has to cross the territory of those states (Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan), with which Tajikistan still has there remains a visa regime.

On mere statements about insults to Tajikistan by Russian officials and media representatives, the matter did not end. Tajik parliamentarians decided to appeal to their Russian colleagues and protest against the tirades of the LDPR leader. Apparently, the surname Rakhmon mentioned by Zhirinovsky in combination with the phrase “hang in the center of Dushanbe” made the Tajik deputies react so violently.

Certainly, with “hanging” Rakhmon Vladimir Volfovich enough. But the Tajik deputies themselves need to be asked: why after the Russian-Tajik summit talks a few months ago, the ratification of the agreement on extending the terms of the Russian military base in Tajikistan has not yet been implemented? What prevents, if not the desire to receive from Russia more and more, not previously discussed "bonuses"? Zhirinovsky - he is not Tajik, and therefore, without unnecessary oriental ornateness, all the dots on “i”, revealing the Tajik wishes in a somewhat dubious form to have certain benefits from Russia.

After such incidents "on the carpet" in Dushanbe, Russian Ambassador Yuri Popov was summoned, who was handed a note with indignation about the political "arbitrariness" on the part of Russia towards Tajikistan.

In order to demonstrate their readiness to deliver a kind of retaliatory strike, in Tajikistan they decided to get rid of information boards and advertising more actively, first of all, in Russian. Now the authorities have announced the translation into Tajik language of even those words that were not in it at all. This campaign in Tajikistan has been called the elimination of “language deficiencies”, and they have already managed to bring to court the cases of several dozen businessmen who use non-Tajik words in the names of their companies. From now on, residents of Tajik cities, in order to have a bite, will have to go not into a bistro, but into a tezpaz, and from 10 Tajiks only one, judging by polls, was able to understand what kind of institution is hidden under this kind of signboard. And if the supervisory authorities find a cafe called “Zeus” in Dushanbe or Khujand or, even worse, “Ivan da Marya”, the cafe owners will be fined, even if the cafe offers dishes of Greek and Russian cuisines, respectively ... Apparently, “Zeus” will have to be renamed in “Rakhmon”, and “Ivan da Maryu” in “Mahmudjon and Shakhnozu” - so from the point of view of the Tajik authorities it will be more correct ... Such is the asymmetrical answer ...

But one should not forget that such a clear cooling of relations with Russia is taking place against the background of Tajikistan’s preparations for the presidential elections. The elections themselves will be held this fall, but, despite the fact that there is still enough time before the start of the election campaign, Emomali Rahmon has already announced that his potential rivals should not count on foreign patrons. At the same time, the current president of Tajikistan promised that the elections in the country would be held democratically. So, reassured ...

It is obvious that Mr. Rakhmon understands that if he continues to abuse bilateral relations between Russia and Tajikistan, then there may well be a presidential candidate in Tajikistan who will be more supported by the same Russia. That is why Rakhmon in advance and reports that the rivals do not count on "foreign support". And on whose support does the current president of Tajikistan count in such a case? Really on the national? So it seems that his real rating in the republic hardly reaches fifteen percent ... Although today the main thing is not the voting and not the rating, but the final result ...
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  1. +159
    April 27 2013 07: 30
    And our authorities do not want to try, instead of the eternal gingerbread in the person of 13 million migrant workers who provide accommodation for these and their families, a snout in the form of closing the border, expelling illegal immigrants and introducing a visa regime. Looking and Rohmon with Karim’s ponytails will pinch and close their other openings, otherwise it will be possible to receive from the ears of millions of unemployed citizens.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      +128
      April 27 2013 07: 52
      An interesting picture. Directly in oil. Not the Russians to them, but they are an avalanche rod and dictate the rules of the game. A strict visa regime with them should not be introduced tomorrow, but yesterday and the border should be guarded as in the USSR with capitalist states. With the same Afghanistan. Break the direct train to the Tajik border, from the Russian border. From wagon to wagon through tight border, sanitary and customs controls. It is easy to apply if the authorities are interested in this. So far, it seems the opposite. Someone benefits from this mess on the border.
      1. tm70-71
        +75
        April 27 2013 08: 05
        Dear moderators, a big request is to change the photo, for this article, since the photo shows the Kyrgyz, but not like Tajiks. Here again I mean that you need to write that images should be attached wisely, and not on a "ball." representative of the Kyrgyz Republic on this forum, this photo is insulting.
        1. +101
          April 27 2013 08: 09
          Quote: tm70-71
          , a big request is to change the photo, for this article, since the photo depicts the Kyrgyz, but not like Tajiks.

          Exactly, thanks recalled. It is also necessary to introduce a visa regime with Kyrgyzstan, otherwise the dude in the photo painfully impudent.
          1. tm70-71
            -24
            April 27 2013 08: 31
            Well, he’s so impudent at home, but not like in Russia, if, what’s in the photo, the rally is dedicated to the elections to the Zhugurka Kenesh (Higher Council) type B, D, in Russia. Come on in, did the insert grow?
            1. +65
              April 27 2013 08: 36
              Quote: tm70-71
              Come on, have you grown something?

              Patient for the Russian people, and when patience ends ........... some get clogged in the gap and do not ask questions about plug-ins for the next 50 years.
              1. tm70-71
                -37
                April 27 2013 08: 42
                Et, as if you wrote about the Russians, but who do you mean by the word "Russians"? I’m from a multinational family, when my father asked what nationality I should write in the column, I thought a lot, they wrote -Russian, although there are no Russians in our family , so I ask again who you mean by the word "Russian people".
                1. +91
                  April 27 2013 09: 14
                  Quote: tm70-71
                  , but who do you mean by the word "Russians"?

                  Those who defend Russia, those who respect the culture of Russia, those who defend its interests, those who saved children in Beslan and Nord Ost. And those who love Russia with their hearts, and do not spit in its traditions, culture and citizens. I don’t call these in Russian photos ..
                  1. -59
                    April 27 2013 09: 30
                    In this photo, I’m sure most of them are not migrant workers from Middle Asia, but citizens of the Russian Federation from the Caucasian republics .. And, what’s the matter with them, will you also introduce a visa regime ?? !!
                    1. +34
                      April 27 2013 09: 38
                      Quote: Alibekulu
                      In this photo, I'm sure

                      Did you check the documents personally?
                      Quote: Alibekulu
                      . And, what with them, will you also introduce a visa regime ?? !!

                      What do not like the idea of ​​entering visas wink I understand, but you're tired already hi
                      1. -45
                        April 27 2013 09: 43
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I don’t understand the idea of ​​entering visas, but you’re tired of it already


                        Enter ..
                        I honestly sideways ..
                      2. +22
                        April 27 2013 09: 52
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        I honestly sideways ..

                        Judging by your minuses, I’m far from sideways wink Suitcase, station, to the hut laughing
                      3. -32
                        April 27 2013 10: 10
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Suitcase, station, to the hut

                        Come on dear - send me wink To the house, to the hut good
                      4. Maximus
                        +11
                        April 27 2013 17: 15
                        On our taxes Are you up to the hut, not too fat? Maybe something like that?
                      5. Suvorov000
                        +3
                        April 29 2013 14: 01
                        Yes, shazzzz to the hut, in the taiga, cut down the forest or in the Magadas mines, and in ten years, if you’ll still be alive, you’ll eat at your own expense
                      6. alex21411
                        0
                        April 29 2013 18: 27
                        That's right...
                      7. Rustiger
                        +39
                        April 27 2013 10: 11
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Suitcase, station, to the hut


                        but you're tired of already


                        That's right, Alexander! Come on "light the fire of intolerance" fellow
                        And we will support. good TS "from a spark to kindle a flame" and "let's pick up the club of the people's liberation war" soldier

                        Comrades, we are approaching, more actively throwing "firewood" into the light. Do not piss when they blow into your ears, that it will only make Russians worse! It will be worse if you keep silent in a rag !!!!
                        The Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia (FEOR) has proposed 11 cities whose residents, in the opinion of the FEOR, need “tolerance centers” similar to the one already operating in Moscow.
                      8. +31
                        April 27 2013 10: 34
                        Quote: Rustiger
                        The Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia (FEOR) has proposed 11 cities whose residents, according to the FEOR, need “centers of tolerance”,

                        Let them scratch their America with their tolerance and democracy.
                        Quote: Rustiger
                        Comrades, we are approaching, more actively throwing "firewood" into the light. Do not piss when they blow into your ears, that it will only make Russians worse!

                        laughing +
                      9. +7
                        April 27 2013 12: 09
                        I with all two hands FOR) heh) to the hut - to the hut and not jingle winked
                      10. Rustiger
                        +13
                        April 27 2013 10: 21
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        I honestly sideways ..

                        Then why are you so excited?
                        Do not bother, smoke while gashik aside. Now we are joking over the tajs. . . Kazakhs are not in business yet. . .
                      11. +6
                        April 27 2013 10: 42
                        Quote: Rustiger
                        Then why are you so excited?
                        Do not bother, smoke while gashik aside. Now we are joking over the tajs. . . Kazakhs are not in business yet


                        Yeah, so ... yank over you laughing
                        “God, how great your menagerie is!”

                        Pancake crying We are waiting, we will not wait when you take up the Kazakhs ..
                        By this time, I’m probably getting old ..
                        You must first put things in order for YOURSELF: with your "garbage" - both in Moscow and in the regions .. just elementary order .. otherwise everything is on the forums ..
                      12. Nikolai N
                        +37
                        April 27 2013 11: 39
                        What is your order? What do you all roam in camp in Russia? At home and live, restore order. We don’t have to tell us what to do at home. Dig your ditch at your village and do not go along with advice. We can do without you
                      13. -10
                        April 27 2013 14: 28
                        Quote: Nikolai N
                        And what is your order? What do you all roam in camp in Russia?

                        There is no order good
                        Show me the Kazakh camp in Rasea ?! I will be grateful hi

                        We don’t have to tell us what to do at home.

                        I totally agree..Vaselenko hear that Nikolayka said: There is nothing for us (KAZAKHAM) to indicate what to do, we are at home.

                        at your village

                        You know, I have never seen a village ...

                        We can do without you


                        We already do without you ...
                      14. +6
                        April 27 2013 14: 39
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        There is nothing for us (KAZAKHAM) to indicate what to do, we are at home.

                        for heaven’s sake, you’re at home, just don’t forget that at home there are about 4 million Russians who also have the right to their opinion
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        We already do without you ...

                        Yes, not very
                      15. -13
                        April 27 2013 15: 22
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        just do not forget that at home there are still about 4 million Russians


                        Oh how fellow 4 million ... yes well belay

                        They immediately write that we are Russian:
                        Quote: Andrey57
                        ..very many people .. survived from the city of Uralsk, ..


                        drove thousands of our families out of their homes without humiliation, about humiliation, etc .... my friends from .. and Kazakhstan abandoned apartments, cars


                        And after reading the above, I inadvertently thought that they weren’t already request
                      16. +2
                        April 27 2013 15: 34
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        Oh how fellow 4 million .. yeah belay

                        But what do you not refute in numbers?
                        name your digit
                      17. +6
                        April 27 2013 16: 05
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        But what do you not refute in numbers?


                        Darn.. am I told him about Erema, and he told me about Thomas ..
                        Ah, I'm not going to refute
                        And with this figure, I agree .. and the Russians in K-no and more will be ..
                        I, that having read their comments - i.e. for example Andrey57
                        I began to think ... there are no Russians in Kazakhstan belay Everyone was kicked out .. everyone was taken away .. everyone was genocidal ..
                      18. +1
                        April 27 2013 17: 16
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        Everyone was kicked out .. everyone was taken away .. everyone was genocidal ..

                        not all were still left, but given how much it was, they just kicked out
                      19. +2
                        April 29 2013 02: 34
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        just do not forget that at home there are still about 4 million Russians who also have the right to their opinion


                        Here we just do not forget and take into account .. Ask Focker, concept1, Kirill110, Dmitriy85 - they are just those whose interests you supposedly "protect" ..
                        Even ia-ai00, although he clearly does not like the Kazakhs, in his beloved Rasea, for some reason he is not in a hurry request
                        By God, I think the Kazakhs will support me: Marek, Kasym, Aksakal, Semurg, Beck.. and others .. I’m ready to throw her a ticket to her beloved RF (away from the Kazakhs so hated by her) ..
                        Even,vladsolo56who, like you, as soon as you can, watering Kazakhstan .. even he, who believes that Russians are severely discriminated in K-ne, nevertheless YOUR NATIVE MOTHER!?? belay
                        doesn't take to himself how to do grateful son negative and leaves Kazakhs to be discriminated against in semi-feudal Kazakhstan ...
                      20. 0
                        April 29 2013 10: 24
                        on the account of "take your time" t I have already written many times about the reasons
                        into account "watering Kazakhstan at the first opportunity .." can you give an example where I poured mud on the Republic of Kazakhstan?
                        and thirdly, are we grazing sheep together? it seems not. so why are you poking me? !!!
                      21. 0
                        April 29 2013 17: 05
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        Raseyu

                        Minus for neglect.
                      22. +1
                        2 May 2013 17: 05
                        Quote: baltika-18
                        Minus for neglect.

                        Another "celestial" fool

                        Nappugall belay
                        I have these minuses ..

                        "Scatter my you scatter
                        From the Volga to the Yenisei "

                        Lyrics for Lyube

                        Write to Rastorguev. angry
                      23. Grey74
                        +7
                        April 27 2013 16: 37
                        We already do without you ...

                        What to say? Well done, you can only rejoice))) And everyone should restore order in his house. And guests not invited to exhibit if necessary.
                      24. 0
                        April 27 2013 23: 03
                        who, who, and Kazakhs feel sweet in Russia. can be said to be chic. Russians in Kazakhstan do not behave this way
                      25. Marek Rozny
                        +10
                        April 28 2013 11: 32
                        Kazakhs in Russia (Orenburg, Astrakhan, Saratov, Omsk and other areas) - live on their own land. And their ancestors lived there when the Rurikovich did not even think to reach the Volga, the Urals and Siberia. What are your complaints about the indigenous people? In general, Kazakhs in Russia live on average. There are no oligarchs and nouveau riche among them. The overwhelming majority of Russian Kazakhs traditionally serve either in the army / Ministry of Internal Affairs or in agriculture.
                        There are only Russian diasporas of Kazakhs outside their native land in Moscow and St. Petersburg, but their number is small there, and the vast majority of this diaspora are students who do not stay in Moscow. The remaining small part of the capital's diasporas are Kazakhs, who have been living there since Soviet times from the 60-70s (they remained after universities).
                        Kazakhs from Kazakhstan to Russia for work or permanent residence do not go to Russia, only on short business trips from their enterprises.
                        Do you want to introduce visas with Kazakhstan - for God's sake, for an ordinary Kazakh it is a light bulb. But Kazakhstani Russians, who have relatives in their small homelands in Russia, spoil life, kanesha, by this deed. Yes, and complicate your life for your small entrepreneurs who constantly wind up in KZ.
                        Russians live in KZ the same way as Kazakhs. Not better or worse. So calm down with your "chic-do not chic".
                      26. +5
                        April 28 2013 11: 50
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Kazakhs in Russia (Orenburg, Astrakhan, Saratov, Omsk and other areas) - live on their own land.

                        Well, what are you arguing about? No one claims against those who are Russian and live in Russia. We are talking about visiting Central Asians. And in general, please Remember that ALL of our land is a piece of 1 m. X 2 m X 2 m. It is allocated for everyone who has been, is and will be. And no more measured. If you are not an outstanding person.
                      27. 0
                        April 28 2013 13: 13
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Kazakhs from Kazakhstan to Russia for work or permanent residence do not go to Russia, only on short business trips from their enterprises.
                        from the fact that you say halva 100 times in your mouth, it won’t be sweeter, and you go to work and get permanent residence, definitely not in such amounts as from Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan, but enough, and permanent residence is also not enough
                      28. Marek Rozny
                        +3
                        April 28 2013 13: 17
                        Vasilenko, do not mind brains. Kazakhs who go to Russia are a negligible amount. Ethnic Russians who move to Kazakhstan to work are many times more. Although yes, in your head - in Kazakhstan, devastation, cannibalism, total poverty ...
                      29. 0
                        April 28 2013 13: 21
                        firstly, try not to be rude, and secondly, you do not have data in figures for how many rides, but at the same time you first declare that they do not go at all after you switch to the criterion "negligible amount", you simply mislead people
                      30. Land
                        +3
                        April 28 2013 13: 50
                        Well done! Kazakhs are in vain equated with Tajiks. Uzbeks and, especially, to the Kyrgyz! This is a proud and patient people! Although, in every nation there are small black spots - this is the law.
                      31. -1
                        April 29 2013 17: 07
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        So calm down

                        Minus for poking.
                      32. +2
                        April 28 2013 02: 47
                        from nose to mouth, you can do without Russians.
                      33. +3
                        April 28 2013 03: 56
                        It is from such illiterates that the nationalists (read fascists) and other cheers-patriots crawl out. Just think of the Tajiks mixed up with the Kyrgyz, found villages in Kazakhstan, etc. But if they find where in another error, already rushing. They cannot write correctly, but they are Russian. And all the other woof ... but.
                      34. +23
                        April 27 2013 15: 33
                        I have Kazakh friends, good people. And I often go to Kazakhstan. There is the same mess as in Russia. And there is the same bickering among themselves, Russian Kazakh, Uzbek, Tajik, Kyrgyz without a difference. Good people live together, bad like dogs, immediately pay attention to how you pray to God and who you are by nationality
                      35. +6
                        April 28 2013 17: 22
                        I agree with the Bear. I also have Kazakh friends, and I myself am from the Urals. We normally communicate with them, make friends and drink together. It makes no difference to us who is praying to any god, if only the person was good!
                      36. +1
                        3 May 2013 14: 37
                        Greetings to everyone, for the Bear, I also have a close friend named Sergei, his father is Russian, and his mother is Ukrainian, and nothing, we are friends with families, we drink with him and sometimes we sing Ukrainian, Russian and sometimes Kazakh songs, even Uzbek (have you heard about the Yalla group?). + Dear to you !!! And insults, recently the site is often replete with insults to another faith or nationality. It's a pity.
                      37. sergei
                        0
                        April 27 2013 17: 10
                        and have you put things in order?
                      38. Warrawar
                        -3
                        April 27 2013 17: 25
                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        You have to infuse YOURSELF first to restore order

                        You are clearly beguiled. We will deal with our garbage, this is our problem, not yours, and do not dare to get into it. But with "your" garbage that you export to us, we do not really want to sort it out, it is better that you do it yourself outside our state.
                      39. Suvorov000
                        -1
                        April 29 2013 14: 05
                        That’s the problem, all our garbage, this is the garbage that you all the time you want me to throw to us and make such a mine, they say, we don’t
                      40. +4
                        April 27 2013 15: 04
                        Why visa? There are invitation cards. You need? Teach your profession, language, give a ticket, provide housing.
                      41. -11
                        April 27 2013 14: 58
                        What do you, O Great Lord, do not like Muslims? In Muscovy since tsarist times, janitors have been Tatars - Muslims. It was under Stalin that the students competed with them. Caucasus - the same Chechens, Dagestanis, etc. converted to Christianity before the Slavs. Orthodox clergy are to blame for the fact that the Caucasus and Central Asia have become a stronghold of Islam. We sat and collected loot. Unleashed the struggle with the Old Believers - the last followers of the true church. Destroyed non-possessors.
                        All churches are an instrument of submission. Only Christian religions require money, while Muslim religions give money on the contrary - they are financed by both the West and the East
                        Asians (Asians are those who are before the Rhine, with the exception of schizos - Poles) need a firm hand.
                      42. +6
                        April 27 2013 16: 26
                        Quote: Vasya
                        Orthodox clergy are to blame for the fact that the Caucasus and Central Asia have become a stronghold of Islam. We sat and collected loot. Unleashed the struggle with the Old Believers - the last followers of the true church. Destroyed non-possessors.

                        You somehow try not to disturb everything in the salad.
                        A gullible citizen can draw hasty conclusions from this mishmash, such as:
                        - The Caucasus was completely Christian
                        - Moreover, Orthodox, akin to Russian ancient Orthodoxy
                        - further events developed according to two scenarios:
                        1. decided to renounce, lamenting at the sight of Russian co-religionists and money-grubbers (with whom did they communicate there? Well, obviously not with the holy fathers)
                        2. have crossed over into the Muslim faith, seeing the persecution that followed the church schism. It is strange that the Old Believers themselves remained faithful to the faith of the forefathers. Although a lot of them moved to the Caucasus.

                        Bullshit and heresy. Be ashamed.
                      43. +1
                        April 30 2013 03: 49
                        Quote: Vasya
                        Caucasus - the same Chechens, Dagestanis, etc. converted to Christianity before the Slavs.

                        What textbook did you read?
                    2. 0
                      April 27 2013 11: 42
                      Quote: Alibekulu
                      In this photo, I’m sure most of them are not migrant workers from Middle Asia, but citizens of the Russian Federation from the Caucasian republics .. And, what’s the matter with them, will you also introduce a visa regime ?? !!


                      A strict regime of detention and confiscation will most likely be introduced with them ...
                      1. Maximus
                        +5
                        April 27 2013 15: 20
                        In the photo, 100% of the Central Asians, most likely the Mongols of the Kyrgyz Republic, in the Caucasus, the Mongoloids are mostly Nogays, but they are definitely not in the photo.
                    3. Good Ukraine
                      +15
                      April 27 2013 14: 08
                      stop
                      Quote: Alibekulu
                      And, what with them, will you also introduce a visa regime ?? !!

                      It is high time to introduce a visa regime with many republics of the former USSR.
                      And what turns out. People go to Russia to earn money. For handouts, the governments of these countries also go to Russia. And the ass - they lick the West, and visas do not interfere.
                      1. yak69
                        +16
                        April 27 2013 16: 45
                        Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
                        It is high time to introduce a visa regime with many republics of the former USSR.

                        Approximately in the same spirit at one time (at the state dacha in Novo-Ogaryovo in 90) a hunchback spoke: "Fuck us these Asians, we will unite the Slavic republics, and let the rest go wherever they want!"
                        The complete disunity of the once unified space of the USSR is beneficial to the world behind the scenes. This will weaken Russia too - unfriendly neighbors will multiply by its side: the Baltic states (every one of them are fierce "friends"), Moldova (already close to the degree of hatred), Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan (at the first opportunity, Aliyev Jr. will thrust a knife into the back of Russia! ), Georgia (we are beginning to make peace), Kazakhstan (already actively pursuing a separate two-faced policy), Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan (while balancing, due to the presence of the European population of the USSR), Tajikistan (on the verge).
                        Dear forum users, moderate your intensity of chauvinism-nationalism! We need peace. And with the neighbors we also need a strong friendship. We need to strengthen and develop ties with our neighbors in every way. To carry out cultural, informational, commercial and industrial expansion in the territory of the former USSR! We need to become leaders among neighbors and rally them around us. Our strength is unity, and weakening is contention.
                        Another question is that it is necessary to actively and without hesitation to pursue a policy of serious pressure on such as Rakhmonov, Aliyev, Karim, Berdimuhamedov, Atambaev, Nazarbayev. And if these condoms ... uh, excuse the presidents, they do not want to move in the wake of Russian politics, then they need to be changed. Simple and decisive.
                        We have two ways: to become a great and powerful empire (with all the attendant costs of this process) or to die on the sidelines of globalization.
                        What do you choose?
                      2. +6
                        April 27 2013 19: 33
                        Here !!! You dare the truth! We need to be friends with nations, and presidents come and go .... Only here young people are brought up in hatred for each other, and this is scary! I was born in the USSR and served with guys of different nationalities, with many of whom I still maintain correspondence on the Internet. You can remain friends with people of different faiths. It’s a pity that politicians and various overseas wits ** who need to turn everything into dust in order to show their superiority do not want this ... Regards! drinks
                      3. Good Ukraine
                        +6
                        April 27 2013 20: 17
                        Yes
                        Quote: yak69
                        Approximately in the same spirit at one time (at the state dacha in Novo-Ogaryovo in 90) a hunchback spoke: "Fuck us these Asians, we will unite the Slavic republics, and let the rest go wherever they want!"

                        It's not about Asians and Ukrainians. The matter concerns the attitude of citizens and leaders of countries and republics towards Russia. One gets the impression that everyone thinks like in the proverb "eat fish and ride in a car".
                        What should Russia do? - So do what you do. Put in a "stall" by purely economic methods.
                        Everyone who is trying to be inadequately independent is today on the verge of economic collapse.
                      4. Ronin201
                        -1
                        1 May 2013 16: 34
                        Friendship say? You read the comments, many people want to knock out their teeth for a rotten bazaar. to the Russians-chovignyugs with a tablecloth a path to Zadrischensk in the Zazhopy province
                      5. Ronin201
                        -1
                        1 May 2013 16: 36
                        Any Ukrainians ??? smile
                    4. +3
                      April 27 2013 14: 40
                      In this I agree with you. And under the tsar and under Soviet rule in St. Petersburg and Moscow there were many Muslims. Muslims were under Kievan Rus. Not only that, they prayed in the same buildings. There is evidence of this. Why do churchmen not want to revive this? According to the traditions of Islam, ANY person can go to the mosque at any time. And in the Orthodox Church, reception hours, and face control, in the form of mostly illiterate servants, are present. Who will people be drawn to?
                      1. +2
                        April 27 2013 16: 33
                        Quote: Vasya
                        And under the tsar and under Soviet rule in St. Petersburg and Moscow there were many Muslims

                        How much is this? As a percentage. Give the numbers, Hon.
                        Quote: Vasya
                        Not only that, they prayed in the same buildings. There is evidence of this.

                        Somewhere I already heard this song. Is it you that Muslims can go to Orthodox churches? But actually about the evidence, it would be nice to confirm this fact. So, for understanding the picture.
                        Quote: Vasya
                        According to the traditions of Islam, ANY person can go to the mosque at any time.

                        Can't a Muslim go into an Orthodox church? Yes please. Nobody will lead an eyebrow. As for worship, this is a completely different story. Can Christians be baptized and read prayers in a mosque?
                      2. +3
                        April 27 2013 16: 53
                        Somewhere I already heard this song. Is it you that Muslims can go to Orthodox churches? But actually about the evidence, it would be nice to confirm this fact. So, for understanding the picture.
                        imagine - muftis, for example, were allowed during the war, for example, to send their religious needs to Orthodox priests. They can, if there is a permit, and of course it can be obtained only in exceptional cases. http://www.kp.ru/daily/24559/734107
                      3. +2
                        April 27 2013 19: 07
                        Quote: dddym
                        imagine - muftis, for example, were allowed during the war, for example, to send their religious needs to Orthodox priests

                        It is not very clear what rituals are involved, but it is clear that the case is exceptional.
                        And citizen Vasya speaks of a completely different thing: the performance of religious rites by Muslims in Orthodox churches.
                      4. +1
                        April 28 2013 15: 22
                        Well, if there is no mufti or imam, then there is no talk of the complete observance of the rituals, but they can pray, put candles - they can, read the Quran quietly in the corner, yes, easily. no one can disturb the traditional course of inner parish life
                      5. Marek Rozny
                        +8
                        April 28 2013 11: 59
                        I myself am not a particularly religious Muslim, an ordinary Kazakh. In South Korea, I somehow got bored at home, went to a Buddhist temple, prayed with Buddhists nearby. No one said a word. And in Tyumen I wanted to go to the Orthodox Church, just to see, they asked me right away - Orthodox or not. He replied that he was a Muslim. Not allowed. Moreover, the views were as if they wanted to kill me.
                        With us, any Russian can easily come to the mosque. I have a Ukrainian, she sometimes goes to the mosque, they give her clothes there and explain everything if she has questions. But at the same time, she is Orthodox and does not intend to change religion, and no one persuades her.
                        I was in the Catholic Church in Astana (I just came to see). There, a Pole priest (not ours, but from Poland itself) conducted such an excursion for me alone that I still remember him as a very kind and interesting person.
                        On the bus Karaganda-Astana, a Russian priest was a fellow traveler (he was in civilian clothes) - he also turned out to be a good man, jokes were hounded, they joked about politics. Several times I came to the Astana church to take consecrated water - the local priests were only happy. And in Russia that pop I met either turned out to be a "radish", or really shouldn't let other believers go.
                      6. +4
                        April 28 2013 12: 19
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        in Russia that pop I met or turned out to be a "radish"
                        It happens.
                        It’s naive to consider priests as saints, the same people
                        It happens that they create it as if they specifically want to turn people away from the church
                        But most normal people
                      7. yak69
                        0
                        April 28 2013 13: 39
                        Quote: Denis
                        But most normal people

                        Ordinary priests, for the most part, are really normal believers. But such as Kuraev, V. Chaplin and others like them in the ROC apparatus, these are just devils in robes!
                        They remind me of the Eben-Yakovlevs in the Politburo and the Kalugins in the KGB. That and look, the ROC will fall apart. We must get rid of such "priests"!
                      8. -1
                        April 28 2013 13: 46
                        Quote: yak69
                        We must get rid of such "priests"!
                        That would still know how?
                        All this ... unsinkable
                      9. +2
                        April 29 2013 09: 30
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        With us, any Russian can easily come to the mosque. I have a Ukrainian, she sometimes goes to the mosque, they give her clothes there and explain everything if she has questions. But at the same time, she is Orthodox and does not intend to change religion, and no one persuades her.

                        Maerk, you intrigued me. Does your mother pray in a mosque? How?
                        It is clear that the icon cannot be put in a candle. But no one bothers to create the sign of the cross?
                        Are there any restrictions imposed by internal rules?
                        For example, a separate place is allocated for non-believers ...
                        And another question: are there not enough Orthodox churches, since Christians go to mosques?
                      10. Marek Rozny
                        +4
                        April 29 2013 11: 55
                        I'm not talking about my mother, but about my half)))) She is Ukrainian)
                        How she prays there - did not even ask. It never occurred to me. I’ll ask in the evening))) Although I think that he is praying in a Muslim way. I don’t know about restrictions. It should be clarified, a good question was asked.
                        There is no place for non-believers. Separation by sex only.
                        Temples in Astana are quite enough. She just likes to go to the mosque sometimes. She also goes to church.

                        In the photo she is in the Central Mosque of Astana.
                      11. Ronin201
                        -1
                        1 May 2013 16: 38
                        Our people are better than theirs, it can be seen immediately on business trips ...
                    5. +2
                      April 27 2013 20: 48
                      Quote: Alibekulu
                      and this photo, I’m sure, the majority are not migrant workers from Middle Asia, but Russian citizens from the Caucasian republics ..

                      So what? A citizen of the Russian Federation is not necessarily Russian ... Therefore, Alexander does not call them Russian. Russian Orthodox, and in the photo obviously Muslims ...
                  2. tm70-71
                    0
                    April 27 2013 09: 47
                    You ask your officials for your love of Russia. Paphos I do not like those whom you listed screaming everywhere that they will not be RUSSIAN.
                    1. +15
                      April 27 2013 09: 51
                      Quote: tm70-71
                      You ask your officials for the love of Russia

                      You asked me: whom do you call Russian? I answered, what difficulties? There are officials who love Russia, but there are corrupt ones for whom Russia is a place where you can earn or steal (whatever you like).
                      Quote: tm70-71
                      . Paphos I do not like, those whom you listed, everywhere and everywhere shout that they will not be RUSSIAN.

                      Yes, really ... But hell wait until people stop calling themselves Russian !!!
                      1. tm70-71
                        -13
                        April 27 2013 10: 13
                        Stop smoking all sorts of crap. Where did you see that I can’t wait until you name yourself another nationality?
                      2. +1
                        April 27 2013 10: 31
                        Quote: tm70-71
                        Stop smoking any crap. Where did you see that I can’t wait until you name yourself another nationality?

                        What is this?
                        Quote: tm70-71
                        , those whom you listed, everywhere and everywhere screaming that they will not be RUSSIAN.

                        Seeing the "dust" from the fields of Kazakhstan affects you wink Here, however, it’s a personal matter, the main thing is to see that the cops do not cover winked
                      3. tm70-71
                        +2
                        April 27 2013 10: 53
                        Romanov, what, should I talk to you? You can't even heal a Kyrgyz from a Tajik, a Kazakh from an Uzbek. So as soon as you scream, "everything is lost."
                      4. UFO
                        +21
                        April 27 2013 11: 07
                        I can, and Khakass from the Tuvan, and the Chinese from the Mongol, and the South Slavic type from the Pomors, and WHAT? I fully agree with the opinion of Romanov. Yes
                      5. tm70-71
                        -1
                        April 27 2013 11: 16
                        This is not for those you have listed.
                      6. djon3volta
                        +9
                        April 27 2013 11: 20
                        Quote: tm70-71
                        Such as you just scream, "everything is lost."

                        here I don’t cry, everything was lost, probably many have noticed! that’s why I have been for Putin and for the visa regime since 2015! Belarusians and Kazakhs haven’t been traveling to Russia by trains, so there’s a green light for them, and whoever crawls most of them will limit it.
                      7. Good Ukraine
                        +8
                        April 27 2013 20: 44
                        hi
                        Quote: djon3volta
                        I have been for Putin and for the visa regime since 2015! Belarusians and Kazakhs do not leak into Russia by trains, so the green light is for them, and whoever crawls the most will limit them.

                        I also do not understand why the fuss?
                        Separated? - why then you climb?
                        Or in the vehicle, or visa regime.
                        Or gas at a good price in the TS, or with the Cypriots, Greeks, etc. Feed Europe.
                        It's fun for me to look at our "figures". They think they will take first places in the EU hall laughing
                      8. +2
                        April 27 2013 22: 29
                        Quote: Dobryak Ukraine
                        They think that in the EU hall they will loan

                        The first row in the gallery! wassat
                      9. Good Ukraine
                        +3
                        April 28 2013 12: 55
                        hi
                        Quote: Egoza
                        Quote: Good Ukraine Ukraine They think that in the EU Hall they will loan
                        The first row in the gallery


                        I would say: their place will be somewhere on the toilet seat at 21. laughing
                      10. Maximus
                        +3
                        April 27 2013 12: 13
                        Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and Uzbek-Mongoloids are Türkic-speaking, Tajiks are Europeans of the Iranian group.
                      11. -3
                        April 29 2013 09: 43
                        Kazakhs are Turans (demigods). : 3
                    2. +3
                      April 27 2013 10: 51
                      Well, you are yelling that you are not Russian.
                  3. AK-47
                    +6
                    April 27 2013 09: 49
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    I don’t call these in Russian photos ..

                    What are they doing together collectively?
                    1. Rustiger
                      +16
                      April 27 2013 10: 42
                      Quote: AK-47
                      What are they doing together collectively?

                      Kiss the "promised land" wassat
                      According to one Persian Ayatollah (?)
                      "... The most effective weapon of Islam is the MATKA of a Muslim woman..." Draw conclusions. ... ...

                      PS And your dad Lukashenko pass darned reshpekt that you do not have this in Minsk! hi
                      1. +1
                        April 30 2013 11: 55
                        This is not ayatollah, this is Yasser Arafat said so
                    2. avt
                      +21
                      April 27 2013 11: 14
                      Quote: AK-47
                      What are they doing together collectively?

                      An acquaintance of mine lives there in Olympiyskiy, but after namaz you won't get into the metro, well, they crawl along the side streets, celebrate, and there is someone who drinks there on a holiday. Earlier, when Gaster was not massively imported, it was easier. And now, in order to set up mosques in Moscow, the third year they are satisfied with the pandemonium. Moreover, they do not go to the covered equipped sites in Izmailovo and Sokolniki. Here they say the place is prayed! So with a brazen smile, one imam said, although they do not need any "prayed" for prayer. In general, banal blackmail, but Sobyanin did not seem to be led.
                      1. +7
                        April 27 2013 11: 29
                        There is such crap. And in Mitono there was a rally against the mosque
                      2. +12
                        April 27 2013 11: 39
                        Quote: avt
                        And now, in order to set up mosques in Moscow, the third year they are satisfied with the pandemonium. Moreover, they do not go to the covered equipped sites in Izmailovo and Sokolniki. Here they say the place is prayed! So with a brazen smile, one imam said, although they do not need any "prayed" for prayer. In general, banal blackmail, but Sobyanin did not seem to be led.


                        26 April, Friday
                        FSB officers detained more than 140 Islamic extremists in a Moscow house of worship, among which several dozen are representatives of foreign states, RIA Novosti reports. This large-scale operation was carried out at Danilovskaya Naberezhnaya, house 8, as part of an event to identify persons involved in Islamic extremist organizations. As noted, among those detained were those who were wanted for crimes of a terrorist and extremist nature that had already been committed. In total, several thousand Muslims gathered for prayer in this place.
                        The investigators found that the Dar ul - Arkam prayer room, where the operation was carried out, was actually a "hotbed of extremism." The parishioners of this institution often later found themselves in the ranks of gangs in the North Caucasus or were engaged in the preparation of extremist and terrorist acts in Russia. An example is the Chechen Ibragim Pliev, a student at a Moscow university who, after visiting the Dar ul Arkam prayer house, joined one of the North Caucasus gangs two years ago and was subsequently eliminated during a counter-terrorist operation by security forces.
                        link



                        The Ambassador of the Republic of Tatarstan to the Russian Federation Abdulmadzhid Dostiev instructed the responsible embassy staff to keep abreast of the events, since among the people detained after Friday prayers there may be citizens of Tajikistan.
                        “We understand that in recent years Russia has faced the problem of involving people in radical and extremist movements, and we believe that parishioners of the mosque have been detained for preventive purposes,”
                        “We hope that this case has nothing to do with the“ information exchange ”of the last days of Tajikistan and Russia,”
                        - declares the Tajik diplomatic mission.
                        link
                      3. +7
                        April 27 2013 12: 04
                        They (the FSB) would have also worked in the subway, there they have a second house, especially on Komsomolskaya Street and the cops walk past them, pretending that everything is fine.
                        Oh world of dough !!!
                      4. +7
                        April 27 2013 13: 02
                        I completely agree, keep the bag closer to your heart in Kazan, don’t take your wallet to the cash desks, count the money under your jacket, tear it out and run away, nobody will chase, everything is bought, chocks are involved, narrow-eyed of all stripes (I fucking know them by nationality- cf. Asia in general).
                      5. avt
                        +5
                        April 27 2013 15: 07
                        Quote: afire
                        I completely agree, keep the bag closer to your heart in Kazan, don’t open your wallet when approaching the ticket office,

                        Malek was cleaned by three stations, the stalls were cleaned, but of course the place is still that, you can not relax.
                      6. Marek Rozny
                        +4
                        April 28 2013 12: 07
                        That is why, when I answered one stupid question about whether I was a real Kazakh, I answered briefly in Kazakh that "I am Kazakh" - they slapped me a ban, because I "offended" the site with a non-Russian phrase. But when everyone here calmly writes "lumps, narrow-eyed", do the admins indulge this?
                        And the question is, when expel Tajiks, crime in the country will fall at times or will remain virtually the same? When the Moscow leadership claims that the main crime in Msk is done by newcomers, they sometimes add that 90% of newcomers are ethnic Russians from other regions of Russia, not migrants from Central Asia. But who cares? They showed you a red rag, outlined the direction, so you rush to hit the target with your head, being afraid to spend time thinking.
                      7. avt
                        +3
                        April 28 2013 19: 47
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        They showed you a red rag, outlined the direction, so you rush to hit the target with your head, being afraid to spend time thinking.

                        I’m watching this “red rag”. I really saw how at first there were Ukrainian, Moldavian, Belarusian workers and how they were slowly but surely changed in Moscow for wordless slaves from Asia. I know how they hunchback and they really raise money. And how in the last For about three years they began to stray into flocks and rob those who are easier, they are certainly still far from the Caucasians, but they specifically hunt for especially serious ones. already cut. And they begin to use them en masse, driving them to the Olympic on holidays, thanks to Jemal. And you think that internationalism and friendship of peoples instills in the local population? Especially against the background of the created national states with huge show-off, in the sense of ambitions. Here on the site, believe me, it is quite tolerant. "But at the household level, the degree for four years has grown quite seriously, even the GDP realized that somehow the people need to be reassured. It was quite predicted and expected, but as always, for the sake of 300% of the profit, they scored everything. In general, as in the "Ordinary Miracle" - when he was strangled his wife, and he said be patient, it might cost.
                      8. Ronin201
                        -1
                        1 May 2013 16: 42
                        once again I say why communicate with Russians on these topics, we will always be second-class people for them ...
                      9. avt
                        +4
                        April 27 2013 12: 13
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        This large-scale operation was carried out at Danilovskaya Naberezhnaya, house 8, as part of an event to identify persons involved in Islamic extremist organizations.

                        request We would have sat down in the Avtozavodskaya metro station and before .. Novokuznetskaya to the Saudis in the mosque, then they would have caught someone.
                  4. +6
                    April 27 2013 10: 05
                    It so happened that during the time shown in the photo, I happened to be not far off. So, I testify that the bulk were mud-faced, namely Tajiks, Uzbeks. They should not be confused with Caucasians
                  5. -1
                    April 27 2013 13: 46
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And those who love Russia with their hearts, and do not spit in its traditions, culture and citizens. I don’t call these in Russian photos ..

                    And that there are no Muslims in Russia for Alexander? Or are there some Orthodox Christians in Russia and no other traditions and cultures? The photo is clearly a Friday prayer. So you go to Sundays, etc. And as far as I know, there are no attempts to violate Russian traditions, cultures and citizens on the part of guest workers, they are busy only with work and earning their daily bread, and is it their problem that they are far from their homeland. Maybe it's the fault of three people from Belovezhskaya Pushcha that such a country was torn apart. And Central Asia during the referendum in the early 90s was almost 90% in favor of preserving the USSR. And now they are "big brother" in the role of outcasts.
                    1. +15
                      April 27 2013 14: 01
                      There are, Muslims, there is so let them pray in their area. Don't .... do it in non-Muslim cities. And in general, we have a secular state. SOVIET YOU ... U M .... TH. If you want to pray, pray quietly in churches, snowstorms, synagogues, which are already built, or HOME. Not x .... upside down shine in the middle of the Moscow prospectus. This is the current impotent government tolerates it, once the riot police would "figure it out" with these "believers" about 5 years ago, and there would be no problem, they would have forgotten.
                      1. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        April 28 2013 12: 31
                        Quote: fzr1000
                        There are Muslims, let there be prayers in their area. Not .... do it on non-Muslim cities

                        And let's replace the word "Muslims" with "Orthodox" in your phrase? They say, let the Orthodox pray in their area, there is no need to do this in non-Christian cities. Fine? If yes, then it’s time to send Kazakh Russians back home to their historical homeland, so that our land is not "trashed" with Orthodox prayers. Will this alignment be adequate to your words? Many of the millions of Russian Kazakhs will sign for your statements? Turn on your head.


                        Quote: fzr1000
                        Not x .... upside down to shine in the middle of Moscow Avenue.
                        In Moscow (offic. 12 million population) - 2 million Muslims and only 4 mosques. There is a mosque at the Iranian embassy, ​​but this is only for embassy staff. All four mosques are small: there can accommodate from 500 to a thousand people, only on Poklonnaya Hill, a little more spacious, but still the situation is awful. Build mosques for Muslims-Muscovites, then you will not see them on bare ground.
                        Figures for comparison:
                        In Moscow - 900 Orthodox churches, another 200 are under construction.
                        In New York and London, where about a million Muslims live - more than a hundred mosques.
                        In Astana (where 700 thousand people officially live) for several hundred thousand Orthodox residents, 4 Orthodox churches were built (some of them very large) and one monastery. Plus another temple is being built. And it will be necessary - we’ll still build it. No one should be infringed on religious grounds. It is written in our Constitution, however, as in yours.
                      2. 0
                        April 28 2013 12: 35
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Build mosques for Moslems,

                        And why the heck they are needed where they were not born. Let them go to their place and build what they want there.
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        In New York and London, where about a million Muslims live - more than a hundred mosques.

                        In, fine, let them go there.
                      3. Marek Rozny
                        +4
                        April 28 2013 12: 58
                        That is, Muslims living in non-Muslim lands of Russia is worthless, and Orthodox living in Tatarstan, Yakutia, the Caucasus, Bashkiria, Kalmykia, Kazakhstan, Central Asia, Western Europe, the United States - is it possible?
                        That is, to say "Muslims, get out of our Russian lands" is zer gut, and to say "Suitcase, station, Russia" is fascism? So how are you different from a few Central Asian Natsik, who sees the reason for his own failures in the Russian neighbor on the landing?
                        If you consider yourself fair, then I do not see any justice here. But I see only open nationalism.
                        You may expel all Tajiks. As before the Georgians. But in the end it won't get any better in Russia, and Tajikistan will definitely turn into the camp of enemies. And then you will begin to drive out the Kyrgyz (with a corresponding transition to another camp), Kazakhs, Tatars, Yakuts. And then Russia (which by this time in this case will turn into the "Golden Ring") will begin to look for "enemies and renegades" among the Russians. In my opinion, you know who is waiting for such an ending. Uncle Sam and the spirit of Mao. Do you think such a plot is unlikely? Well, the USSR was destroyed exactly like that. Badass Solzhenitsyn muttered with might and main that it was time to get rid of neighbors. We got rid of it. Now the Russians themselves are moaning "what country have you lost!" Now, instead of Solzhenitsyn, there is a whole gang of new "guardians for the Russian people" who are actually openly leading the country into fragmentation. To destroy Russia itself, one must first break away Tajiks, Moldavians, Georgians, Kazakhs, Tatars, and Chechens from it. And there already "hello, feudal fragmentation!"
                      4. +5
                        April 29 2013 09: 39
                        When the Amers set up their military base in Tajikistan, don't be surprised and don't be like some here! It's all about "your" weakness. In "your" country, an official does whatever he wants, he wants the plant (with high-tech machines) to sell at the price of scrap metal, he wants to ruin the country and the people where 80% of Russians are silently standing aside. The biggest loss during the collapse of the USSR is the loss of the Russian-speaking space, which was built with the blood of the Russian people and then for many years was assimilated by schools, institutes and many others. The USSR was on the verge of creating one single nation! Compare the people of those who grew up and were brought up in the USSR and those who after, you can see on the face.
                      5. Focuser
                        +1
                        April 29 2013 11: 04
                        Great comment. I support almost everything. ++
                      6. +2
                        April 28 2013 13: 24
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        In Moscow (offic. 12 million population) - 2 million Muslims and only 4 mosques

                        you play numbers very deftly, these are residents of Moscow or visitors, when they arrived, where they settled, on what conditions
                      7. Marek Rozny
                        0
                        April 28 2013 13: 44
                        2 million included local muslimsliving in Moscow since Soviet times, and visiting Muslims - citizens of other regions of Russia. I wrote only famous figures. About migrants from the CIS (Muslims and non-Muslims) I have not written yet. And taking them into account - the situation is even worse with mosques. Imagine if in Almaty or Astana they left only one tiny church for the Russians ... It is clear what inconvenience the local Orthodox will experience who cannot physically place there during the Orthodox holidays?
                        The Moscow administration itself provokes the situation, and then Muscovites spread angry or insulting comments on photographs of Muslims who pray in the open.
                      8. Earthman
                        -1
                        April 28 2013 19: 56
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Imagine if in Almaty or Astana they left only one tiny church for the Russians ...

                        Such as Romanov and Vasilenko will first of all shout that the Russians are oppressed, eat their children for breakfast, it's time to save them ...

                        The US final is foreseen very soon, no matter how these Romanovs cried and more with them
                      9. 0
                        April 28 2013 20: 34
                        Quote: Earthman
                        US Final Coming
                        And whom will it upset?
                        Only their sixes
                      10. +1
                        April 29 2013 09: 22
                        Well, give a figure only for Muslims permanently residing in Moscow, forgive me, but for "tourists" there is hardly a need to build mosques, especially since Islam allows you to pray in not a temple, but for a traveler it also facilitates this process
                      11. +1
                        April 29 2013 10: 15
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Imagine if in Almaty or Astana they left only one tiny church for the Russians ... It is clear what inconvenience the local Orthodox will experience who cannot physically place there during the Orthodox holidays?

                        you distort again in the best traditions of the press secretaries.
                        firstly left it means they had to destroy something, can you give examples of the destruction or the nose of mosques in Moscow ?!
                        secondly, almost all Orthodox churches in Alma-Ata were built before the revolution, with the exception of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, on the saine and on the monm of another in the Alfarabi district of Rozibakiev
                      12. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        April 29 2013 11: 20
                        1) regarding Almaty temples - out of 16 Orthodox churches in the city - 13 were built (or churches returned for cult rites) after 1991. And here is the infa from the clergy - http://orthodox.kz/churches/ Calmed down?
                        2) regarding the situation in Moscow - I gave only official data - 2 million Muslims-Muscovites-Russians and only 4 mosques. If we add migrants, the situation is even worse with mosques. What do you not understand? Even if we throw out all the migrants, these mosques are still not enough for "their" Muslims.
                      13. +1
                        April 28 2013 13: 53
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Build mosques for Moslems
                        About what is needed, is not needed, it’s said before me. And you didn’t make a reservation with
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Build

                        Is it at the expense of taxpayers?
                        If so, then overkill
                      14. Marek Rozny
                        -2
                        April 28 2013 14: 06
                        Just give building permits. Do not need anything else. The Muslim diaspora of Moscow can easily collect how much money is needed both for the purchase of land and for the construction itself.

                        Z.Y. Orthodox churches in the KZ are being built for state money. And this does not bother the Kazakhs at all. We have churches and synagogues under construction. For God's sake. Moreover, he is alone.
                      15. avt
                        0
                        April 29 2013 11: 52
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Z.Y. Orthodox churches in the KZ are being built for state money. And this does not bother the Kazakhs at all. With us and

                        This is your business, a sovereign country, that you want to do it. And do not meddle with this question for us, especially since we are already scientists and how it ends well we know. They washed their face with blood when they listened to such jokes. We somehow get along with our Muslims, we have experience. If only the authorities had the mind to import imported preachers well, and the migrant workers, so that people like Heydar Jamal wouldn’t dislike them in their game as pawns.
                      16. avt
                        +1
                        April 29 2013 12: 07
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        The Muslim diaspora of Moscow can easily collect how much money is needed both for the purchase of land and for the construction itself.

                        Tales for Taraschi. Here at the Olympic I already forgot when they began to build a cathedral mosque and there is no end to the construction site, so they are going to the street.
                      17. Marek Rozny
                        +1
                        April 29 2013 12: 45
                        1) The reconstruction of the Moscow Cathedral Mosque began in 2005, but in 2009 the reconstruction was stopped for architectural reasons. In 2011, the mosque was completely demolished and began to build a new one. In this 2013, construction should be completed.

                        2) What are you "wise" in terms of cohabitation of peoples and religions - it can be seen. In terms of domestic nationalism, Russia has surpassed all the republics of the ex-USSR. They tell you again, don't do the crap - turn your face to your neighbors, see how they solve the SAME problems. Or, most likely, was it just a zap to learn something from "some Kazakhs"? It will end with what the Kazakhs warn you about - destroy your country along ethnic and religious grounds. And then you will start squabbling with each other.

                        Z.Y. You are here also from the Kazakhs - the enemies of Russia ... EPT, except for the Kazakhs for Russia, no one else in the world is worried. Russia is our neighbor, friend, ally. 1 million Kazakhs live in Russia. A part of our historical lands is located in Russia (but we do not claim to categorically change borders). Russia is watered with Kazakh blood during the war with the Nazis. Russian stubborn people are more understandable and close to us than Arabs or Japanese. We have a bunch of hundreds of years of joint history, so the Kazakhs cannot perceive Russia as a foreign country, to which we do not care. There is a deal. Many cases. It's time to turn on the brains, pull out the motherland from the anus. And while you crap tossing and stomping in one place. Have you seen a dog chasing its tail? So Russia makes a bunch of useless movements and noise. 20 years, Kazakhstan has been pushing Russia in the right direction, but in Russia, it’s the people, that the officials are so carried away by the idea that they are the smartest and don’t tell them that they prefer to engage in narcissism and squabble with neighbors. We have the same tasks and goals. And we are obliged to help each other with advice, deeds, to prompt one another one way or another. We are in the same bunch, in the same tank. What is incomprehensible here? But you started it - you are on our own, we are on our own - the driver goes wherever he wants, the gunner fights wherever he might think, the commander guesses the crosswords in the newspaper.
                      18. avt
                        -2
                        April 29 2013 13: 25
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        ) What are you "wise" in terms of cohabitation of peoples and religions - it can be seen. In terms of domestic nationalism, Russia has surpassed all the republics of the ex-USSR. They tell you again, don't do the crap - turn your face to your neighbors, see how they solve the SAME problems. Or, most likely, was it just a zap to learn something from "some Kazakhs"? It will end with what the Kazakhs warn you about - destroy your country along ethnic and religious grounds. And then you will start squabbling with each other.
                        laughing Well, well, fairy tales about construction, but I don’t need to tell. And about the "wise" ex-conscious ones too. Household nationalism in our country just began from the fact that after the collapse of the USSR we stood facing our proud ancient neighbors, and they got in the face and when so the well-wishers - the organizers of Russia, and the foreign imams were given the topic. Here, the well-wishers, with the help of greedy "businessmen", arrange for us a headache, and even at the same time they teach life. Once again, I say, do your we will figure out our problems ourselves. The less you climb, there will be less domestic nationalism. And somehow get used to the idea that states are different, and if you are the masters of your house, then you will never have them here. And if we start "squabbling" or not, time will tell, but this is our sovereign business. And with regards to one bundle, it’s also funny, the “bundle” ends exactly where it is necessary to move from words to deeds, then everyone immediately remembers what Owners of their land and instead of a common cause - liquid jelly, well, a song about the imperial syndrome. This is sacred, especially in Ukraine. So let's start with a normal customs union, and we will continue to see who is ready to go wherever.
                      19. avt
                        -2
                        April 29 2013 16: 13
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        , commander crosswords in the newspaper guesses.

                        But by the way, did you decide on the commander? Again, the crew in the know and for him he is a real authority? Anyway, what army is the tank in?
                      20. avt
                        -1
                        April 29 2013 11: 34
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Quote: fzr1000
                        There are Muslims, let there be prayers in their area. Not .... do it on non-Muslim cities

                        And let's replace the word "Muslims" with "Orthodox" in your phrase? They say, let the Orthodox pray in their area, there is no need to do this in non-Christian cities. Fine?

                        Quite. In the bastion of democracy in Saudi Arabia, the construction of other religious buildings is simply prohibited. And do not put a shadow on the wattle fence, you quite understand what is at stake. Especially with regard to those grooms who are satisfied with the Olympic, this is not a prayer but pure blackmail of the authorities through visiting migrant workers.
                      21. 0
                        April 28 2013 13: 18
                        Quote: fzr1000
                        There are Muslims, let there be prayers in their area. Not .... do it in non-Muslim cities. And in general, we have a secular state

                        Well, if it is secular, then what do you care where anyone is praying, but about "let them pray in their own lands" mosques in Moscow were even before the Union.
                        Quote: fzr1000
                        If you want to pray, pray quietly in the church, meteci, synagogue, which are already built or at home

                        you mixed everything together
                  6. +7
                    April 27 2013 14: 30
                    Also, those who did not kill Russians in the former republics, who did not evict them from their apartments, did not dismiss from work. If you wanted to live without Russians, get it. Where are your highly profitable enterprises and agriculture.
                    Kill your Basmachis and Islamists (not to be confused with representatives of traditional Islam) and We will probably return.
                    In tsarist Russia did not allow such gatherings.
                2. slas
                  0
                  April 27 2013 13: 35
                  Quote: tm70-71
                  Et, as if you wrote about the Russians, but who do you mean by the word "Russians"?

                  Well, certainly not "We gussky dgug dguga cheat me" --- Brother 2
                3. +4
                  April 27 2013 16: 14
                  Quote: tm70-71
                  so I ask again who you mean by the word "Russian people".

                  And for yourself, you answered this question? For very often it arises just among those who find it difficult to identify with the Russian people.
                  A truly Russian person (I think, like patriots of many other countries) absorbs this understanding with mother's milk. As in the song "Where the Motherland Begins". And there is no need for punctuation marks. This is understanding at the level of feelings and emotions.
                  It seems to have jumped a little on a related topic, but for me personally, Russia, the Motherland, the Russian people are inseparable and inseparable words.
                  Probably, only the master of words will be able to fully answer your question.
                4. predator.3
                  +6
                  April 27 2013 17: 43
                  Hmmm, Comrade Onishchenko will be worse than any war! lol Will say to cancel the train "Dushanbe-Moscow" - Just give a shit! And let the rakhmon and dzhamshuts piss with boiling water, and that the end of the world will come in Russia? Nah, it'll even get better!
                5. Ermolov
                  0
                  April 29 2013 07: 56
                  YOU ARE TIME IN CHURKISTAN ... IN A PRINTED CAR ... HOW THE CHECHEN ... EVERYTHING RETURNS TO ITS CIRCUITS ... ESPECIALLY .. WHEN ANY YELLOW LICE BEGINS TO STEEM AND SAYS YOURSELF RUSSIAN IS WELL ... ... THE OTHER BOLSHEVIAN LYRICS ...
                6. -1
                  April 29 2013 09: 28
                  Calmly, do not minus. You Russians should be happy. The more loyal to you, the better you are.
                  1. avt
                    +1
                    April 29 2013 15: 20
                    Quote: Mangust_ali
                    Calmly, do not minus. You Russians should be happy. The more loyal to you, the better you are.

                    So I’m calm and didn’t minus, but I don’t understand request why should we again? Maybe others should understand that independence is also a double-edged sword? And others should be glad that their neighbors are loyal to them, since that is how life has turned? And then just a fairy tale about the Goldfish turns out. Already we, like that old man and fools, have crawled out of the swamps out of who knows what kind of swamps and owe everything to the proud and ancient. And it is worth thinking a little - so by the very fact we offend everyone. But it never occurred to me that in Russia from such a development of events after 1991, when, a suitcase, a railway station, Russia "after a time, when the crowd in Russia from the proud, independent and ancient to work will rush them here not with flowers?
                  2. Ronin201
                    -1
                    1 May 2013 16: 47
                    But they want the Russian Federation to be reduced to the level of the Moscow princedom of the 14th century under all these cries of Russianness and Orthodoxy ... In this situation, we will take Astrakhan Orenburg Saratov Omsk ...
                    1. 0
                      1 May 2013 20: 38
                      Quote: Ronin201
                      And they want the Russian Federation to be reduced to the level of the Moscow princedom of the 14th century under all these cries of Russianness and Orthodoxy ... In this situation, we will take Astrakhan Orenburg Saratov Omsk ..

                      , at least you can understand what they’ll give you?
                7. AndreyAB
                  0
                  1 May 2013 08: 37
                  Well, their nationality was shy, and then you have an answer why ask?
            2. +14
              April 27 2013 09: 25
              You, too, do not bend the stick very much, and in Russian is written Kyrgyz, not Kyrgyz.
              why are you always trying to change an ALIEN language?
              1. tm70-71
                -3
                April 27 2013 09: 48
                Your truth, but it’s closer to me, I live in Kyrgyzstan, Kyrgyzstan is no more.
                1. +3
                  April 27 2013 09: 57
                  but still write in Russian, and write according to the phonetics of the Russian language
                  1. -5
                    April 27 2013 10: 26
                    You, too, do not bend the stick very much, and in Russian is written Kyrgyz, not Kyrgyz. why are you always trying to change an ALIEN language?


                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    still write in Russian, and write according to the phonetics of the Russian language


                    Well, that’s why Vasilenko, while in Kazakhstan, didn’t speak and write in Kazakh, according to the phonetics of the Kazakh language ?? recourse
                    P.S. By the way, Vladimir himself obviously has problems with spelling, grammar (and probably phonetics) .. request
                    But, at the same time, they like to teach "Vasilenko" or "Vasilenko".
                    1. +1
                      April 27 2013 11: 32
                      Well, that’s why Vasilenko, while in Kazakhstan, didn’t speak and write in Kazakh, according to the phonetics of the Kazakh language ??
                      I spoke and wrote in Russian, I would write in Kazakh your accusations would be justified
                      Quote: Alibekulu
                      at the same time they like to teach "Vasilenko" or "Vasilenko".

                      Well, actually, EVERYTHING here expresses their opinion, including you
                      1. Marek Rozny
                        -1
                        April 28 2013 12: 44
                        Vasilenko, why didn’t you bother to learn the Kazakh language in KZ? And to non-Russians who at least somehow speak Russian (and usually better than you) you get to the bottom. Kazakh and Kyrgyz in Russian write better than you. No, to sprinkle ash on your head, you still begin to blow out the guardian-guardian of your native speech and learn something there ... You would first put your spelling in order.
                        ZY Two homeless people are sitting in the port, their clothes are dirty, torn, from both rushing a mile away with the smell of an unwashed body and fumes. Here they see a tourist passing by - a Negro in a snow-white suit and a hat. One homeless man, opening his mouth with half-rotten teeth, pushes his neighbor and shouts happily: "Look, the savage monkey is coming!"
                    2. predator.3
                      +2
                      April 27 2013 14: 32
                      Very much this hare reminds N.S. Khrushchev!
                2. Rustiger
                  +2
                  April 27 2013 10: 25
                  Quote: tm70-71
                  I live in Kyrgyzstan, Kyrgyzstan is no more.

                  Judging by the flag, "closer" will probably say "Newark", "Virgin" or "Texus".
                  Maybe you are writing from the Manas base? As. ... .?
                  1. tm70-71
                    -7
                    April 27 2013 10: 33
                    You don’t mow that fool, Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan, and my small Rodina-KYRGYZSTAN are closer to me. I’m all that you listed
                    1. Rustiger
                      +1
                      April 27 2013 10: 47
                      Quote: tm70-71
                      closer to me are Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan, and my small Motherland-KYRGYZSTAN

                      But you yourself and your fellow tribesmen are hardly closer "to Russia and Ukraine" and probably to Kazakhstan too! What, will you give us all for this too? Sit exactly on asshole Motherland, serve efficiently "under the amerovsky flag" "may you be happy." ... ...
                      We can do without you, let it be "bad" for us, and not in such batches survived. ... ...
                      1. tm70-71
                        -17
                        April 27 2013 10: 59
                        In, another commander obsessed, you do your ass as you want and with whatever you want to equal, I do not need your advice.
                    2. slas
                      +1
                      April 27 2013 13: 44
                      Quote: tm70-71
                      .I'm poh

                      Look it will be painful)))
                    3. 0
                      April 27 2013 22: 16
                      You no longer have a small homeland, you betrayed it, so live under a star-striped flag calmly. By the way, calm and there already seems to end there. Too many amers in Miri have been crap, now they are already repaying debts.
                3. Maximus
                  +16
                  April 27 2013 11: 10
                  Say thanks to the Russians that there is such a nation in general. And that you have a state. If it were not for the Russian Empire and the USSR, it is not known what would have happened to you, and your statehood would have been.
                  1. tm70-71
                    -4
                    April 27 2013 12: 02
                    Thank you very much Maximus for the fact that there is such a nation. And can I say thank you to my ancestors. And you also ask the Russians from those who live in Kyrgyzstan, and can we all do you "ku" with squatting? Knock from every second comment stink fascism.
                    1. Maximus
                      +4
                      April 27 2013 12: 16
                      It's not about fascism, it’s just that without us the fate of the American Indians or the poor, uneducated Afghans could comprehend.
                      1. tm70-71
                        -4
                        April 27 2013 12: 34
                        You shouldn't write on the forums, but go and do your education. For people like you, Asia, the territory where hungry and ragged "Chuchmeks" live - as people like you say. A lot of what you now use invented in Asia, you can't even suspect how diverse the world of Asia is.
                      2. Maximus
                        +8
                        April 27 2013 12: 48
                        I can tell a lot about Asia, but we are not talking about the times of Haji Nasredin, but about recent history, 80 years ago you had 90% illiteracy and a feudal form of government. We "brought" you science and education, modern medicine, etc. What's wrong?
                      3. Marek Rozny
                        +1
                        April 28 2013 13: 03
                        And until 1917, was Russia a country of total literacy and culture? Have slavery been canceled in Russia long ago? Also forgotten? Do you thank the Greeks every day for religion, the Bulgarians for the alphabet, the Germans for science-education-medicine?
                      4. +2
                        April 28 2013 14: 01
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        And Russia until 1917
                        Consider a watershed date?
                        Textbooks on the history of the USSR were not always right
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        slavery in Russia has long been canceled?
                        That is the Western myth, the time has come and was abolished, and perhaps earlier as "civilized" slavery?
                      5. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        April 28 2013 14: 09
                        1) Only the Soviet government gave the Russians a mass education. Nicholas II did not go any further. Even the law on compulsory education was not adopted in the Duma, and no money was allocated for this.

                        2) 1861 is a myth?
                      6. +1
                        April 28 2013 14: 24
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Is 1861 a myth?
                        Myths Weave Around
                        The "model of freedom and democracy" was canceled in 1885, and then on paper
                      7. +11
                        April 27 2013 14: 05
                        Examples in the studio, what did they come up with in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and other countries, what the whole world still uses and cannot live without? DON'T PUNCH BY ARABS, PERSIANS. You have nothing to do with them.
                      8. Maximus
                        +5
                        April 27 2013 15: 04
                        It is true of the Persians and Arabs, there were scientists of mathematics, astronomers, cartographers.
                      9. Marek Rozny
                        +4
                        April 28 2013 13: 14
                        This is for those who do not rummage in the history of Asia - all Arabic names seem to be the names of Arabs.

                        Al-Farabi (Abu Nasyr Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Tarkhan ibn Uzlag al-Farabi at-Turki) - who in Europe was called "the second Teacher of the world" - "Kazakh", a native of present-day Taraz (the city of Dzhambul in Soviet time, then - Farab).

                        Abu Raikhan Biruni - "Karakalpak" who proved that the Earth is round and revolves around the Sun 500 years before the Europeans burned Copernicus - a native of Biruni (then Kiyat), Uzbekistan.

                        Ibn Sina (Avicenna) - "Tajik" from Bukhara - the father of medicine.

                        Al-Khorezmi - "Uzbek" from Khorezm - the mathematician who gave the world the name "algebra", and in whose honor the Europeans created the word "algorithm" (distorted from his name).

                        And even the "Tajik" Omar Khayyam, whom Russians know only as an alcoholic poet, was the first to deduce the mathematical unit, which later in Europe will be called "Newton's binomial".
                        Etc. And the names sound in Arabic, just like the name "Ramzan Akhmetovich Kadirs"sounds" a la rus ".
                      10. +1
                        April 28 2013 14: 11
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Ibn Sina (Avicenna) - "Tajik" from Bukhara - the father of medicine

                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        And even the "Tajik" Omar Khayyam, whom Russians know only as an alcoholic poet, was the first to deduce the mathematical unit, which later in Europe will be called "Newton's binomial".

                        It’s just that they don’t consider him an alcoholic, rather, on the contrary, all statements about wine are considered a system of protest, a kind of front-door art.
                        There is such an opus by Pikul "From the old box", everything is attributed to Russia. It is tempting, but alas, it is not true
                        Your arguments are very reminiscent of
                        Aim, Newton or Hook are just plagiarists?
                        Let not believe
                      11. Marek Rozny
                        +5
                        April 28 2013 15: 28
                        Of course, it’s hard for you to believe. The Soviet academic school was built on a Euro-centrist base. Although in fact, Europe has lived all its life on the edge of scientific thought (and Asian). From the time of the industrial revolution until the 20th century, Europe has pulled ahead for several centuries, but now everything is back - Asia is moving forward, Europe is slipping back to where it has been all these centuries - in the world.
                        India, China, Japan and the Muslim world look at the current strength of Europe (including the USA) as a temporary misunderstanding, which will soon disappear by itself. While the Russians praise the first printer Fedorov, belittling the merits of the German Guttenberg, the Koreans and the Chinese are arguing over which of them began to print books 2000 years ago.
                        ZY By the way, it was Muslims in the then Islamic part of Spain that began to build the first universities (in the modern sense of the word) in Europe. Europe then had no time for universities, they were chasing "witches". And any Central Asian city had a sewage system to almost every house, at a time when Paris was still called Lutetia, and London was the station of Roman legionaries. I'm not even talking about the fact that until recently, Europeans had no idea about hygiene and other elementary things.
                        Well, and it is banal - Europe in comparison with Asia - has always been poor. Maybe this is why Europeans have complexes similar to the habits of the "new Russian"? For the first time, grandmas appeared, came to a restaurant and moved out, believing that he was the navel of the earth ... Western Europe flashed for a couple of centuries and is rolling back.
                      12. +1
                        April 28 2013 15: 46
                        About how many "wonderful discoveries" Marek's spirit gives us! it’s just a "true" story of some sort, as the modern Asian political schools dislocated your consciousness. Shukshin has a fairy tale "about how Ivan went to get the seal." And when there was nowhere to go from the Serpent Gorynych - he shouted at him and intimidated: "I'll eat you myself - punks!" Well, why did you Asians allow Iraq? Or Korea? Why are you Asians just taking and giving polafrika - mind the Islamic Germans and not opposing nichrome? Eurocentric universities in the Soviet school - what the hell is that? If that our Russian science has contributed a lot to the development of science. So why are you scolding the school - which gave you education as such - after all, until 1917, in general, literate Kazakhs were not to be found in the daytime with fire. And even after the collapse of the USSR, not everyone took advantage of this education.
                      13. Marek Rozny
                        +7
                        April 28 2013 16: 29
                        And what a joke? Tell the Korean that Guttenberg or Fedorov are the first pioneers, he will make fun of you because they were doing it 2000 years ago.
                        The boom of science in the Muslim world happened when the Turks and the Arabs defeated the Chinese near Talas (Kyrgyzstan) in the 8th century and the "technologists" were taken prisoner, who handed over the secret of papermaking to the Muslims. And while in Europe they wrote on leather and on tablets, the Muslim world was stamping with might and main not even paper, but factories for the production of cheap paper. Because of this, since the 8th century, the process of exchanging knowledge in Muslim Asia has accelerated several times, and, accordingly, the baton in science was taken away from the Chinese. Plus, the military domination of the Turks in Asia helped to establish the process of exchanging knowledge with India (convenient "Arabic" numbers came to Europe thanks to Muslims from India). Well, just gigantic Asia was significantly advanced in the field of construction, medicine, chemistry, astronomy, agricultural sciences and other things in comparison with the then Europe.
                        As for the moment when Europe took over the baton, this is the moment when Europe accidentally discovered America and began to siphon huge resources from there - gold, food, and so on. Remember how Europe got rich. In Asia, after the collapse of the "single space" after the empire of the Chingizids, a war of "all against all" was going on everywhere. The former shards of the giant empire tore each other to shreds. Here Europe and began again "crusades". First, peaceful trade, and then the seizure of India, Africa, China, the Middle East, and central Asia. Germans, Dutch, French, British, Italians, Russians - all wanted to "wash their boots in the Indian Ocean" or get to "the untold treasures of Asia."
                        In Gumilev words, Europe had a period of passionarity. And Asia, on the contrary, was in the anus. Now Asia has recovered. First Japan woke up, now China, tomorrow India. Plus Muslims. Is it really not visible?
                        Regarding Eurocentrism, everything is very simple. A Russian person knows quite well the history and culture of Ancient Greece, Rome, medieval Europe and modern Europe. As for Asia - complete ignorance. How many Russians can be called Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Turkic, Iranian, Arab cultural figures? Scientists? Generals? (excl. Genghis Khan, Attila, and Tamerlane) All the European knowledge of Asia is at the level of ninja films and Bibishi’s issues about Arab Islamists. I exaggerate, but it is.
                        Russian science has really contributed to world cognition. I’ll just recall this period - the second half of the 18 century, the heyday of the Soviet period (you can’t strictly call Russian science), and now science in the Russian Federation (and in the KZ, of course) is far from the first positions. Roughly speaking - 200 years. Western Europe is the maximum of 400 of recent years. Compared to Asia, which has always generated technology and knowledge, this is complete nonsense. Sorry, but it is. Europe is generally a small piece of land with a small population (even if the number of white Americans is included there). But modern Europeans think that the whole planet revolves around them, and all the other barbarians and savages who could only invent funny acupuncture, hookah and cool food.
                        I received not only a Soviet education, but also studied abroad. And since childhood, as any Asian was interested in Asia. What does ordinary Russian know at least about Chechens, about their history, culture, language? Nothing. But he knows a lot about Spain. Which Russian is able to draw a Tuvan in Tuvan clothes? But the Scotsman - easily. Do you understand my point?
                      14. 0
                        April 28 2013 16: 43
                        [quote] And what about the banter? Tell the Korean that Guttenberg or Fedorov are the first pioneers, he will make fun of you, because they were doing it 2000 years ago. [/ Quote]
                        Fedorov for your information in Russia has always been positioned as the first RUSSIAN first printer and not in the world.

                        [Quote] Compared with the then Europe. [/ Quote] What is the period, but somehow it is not clear ...
                        Europe simply had falls and highs. As well as in Asia.

                        [quote] As for the moment when Europe picked up the baton, this is the moment when Europe accidentally discovered America and began to pump out huge resources from there - gold, [/ quote] food and so on. Remember how Europe got rich. In Asia, after the collapse of the "single space" after the empire of the Chingizids, a war of "all against all" was going on everywhere. The former shards of the giant empire tore each other to shreds. Here Europe and began again "crusades". First, peaceful trade, and then the seizure of India, Africa, China, the Middle East, and central Asia. Germans, Dutch, French, British, Italians, Russians - all wanted to "wash their boots in the Indian Ocean" or get to "the untold treasures of Asia."
                        In Gumilev words, Europe had a period of passionarity. And Asia, on the contrary, was in the anus. Now Asia has recovered. First Japan woke up, now China, tomorrow India. Plus Muslims. Is it really not visible?
                        Regarding Eurocentrism, everything is very simple. A Russian person knows quite well the history and culture of Ancient Greece, Rome, medieval Europe and modern Europe. As for Asia - complete ignorance. How many Russians can be called Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Turkic, Iranian, Arab cultural figures? Scientists? Generals? (excl. Genghis Khan, Attila, and Tamerlane) All the European knowledge of Asia is at the level of ninja films and Bibishi’s issues about Arab Islamists. I exaggerate, but it is.
                        Russian science has really contributed to world cognition. I’ll just recall this period - the second half of the 18 century, the heyday of the Soviet period (you can’t strictly call Russian science), and now science in the Russian Federation (and in the KZ, of course) is far from the first positions. Roughly speaking - 200 years. Western Europe is the maximum of 400 of recent years. Compared to Asia, which has always generated technology and knowledge, this is complete nonsense. Sorry, but it is. Europe is generally a small piece of land with a small population (even if the number of white Americans is included there). But modern Europeans think that the whole planet revolves around them, and all the other barbarians and savages who could only invent funny acupuncture, hookah and cool food.
                        I received not only a Soviet education, but also studied abroad. And since childhood, as any Asian was interested in Asia. What does ordinary Russian know at least about Chechens, about their history, culture, language? Nothing. But he knows a lot about Spain. Which Russian is able to draw a Tuvan in Tuvan clothes? But the Scotsman - easily. Do you understand my idea? [/ Quote]
                      15. +1
                        April 28 2013 17: 45
                        Guttenberg or Fedorov

                        Sorry - in Russia Fedorov has always been understood as the first Russian first printer and not the world.
                        compared to the then Europe.

                        Specify the period in years, please, but I can’t collect the brains in any way - it’s just that they were spread throughout history.
                        Europe accidentally discovered America and began to pump huge resources from there - gold, food, and more. Remember how Europe got rich.

                        One can argue very strongly that Europe has become rich. Since it was precisely because of American gold that Spain almost lost the army, and the rule of England became obvious.
                        Germans, Dutch, French, British, Italians, Russians - all wanted to "wash their boots in the Indian Ocean" or get to "the untold treasures of Asia."

                        Have you ever been to Mao’s advisers ??? Already very much like a Chinese political school. This is to whom you can express your indignation - like the British, but not everyone else. The Great Silk Road was stolen from the world, and in particular from Asia - they.
                        In Gumilev words, Europe had a period of passionarity. And Asia, on the contrary, was in the anus. Now Asia has recovered. First Japan woke up, now China, tomorrow India. Plus Muslims. Is it really not visible?

                        So wake up! Take and break the Americans-they occupy half of your historical Muslim space. But your flag is still American ...
                        . How many Russians can be called Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Turkic, Iranian, Arab cultural figures? Scientists? Generals? (excl. Genghis Khan, Attila and Tamerlane

                        Well, not all Asians can distinguish Krasnoyarsk from Krasnodar. Personally, I know pretty, not bad Asian culture, and respect. And at school I knew very well that there was Omar Khayyam and Confucius and Ibn Sina Avicenna, and Baty and Genghis Khan. You had great people and I was even proud that in the state of the USSR there were descendants of these great peoples. Now everyone is trying to pull the "golden calf" to their side. But what happened to the people - who did not even have borders, which they received with the help of the Russians. Settled only by joining the country, which is now scolded.
                        Russian science has really contributed to world cognition. I’ll just recall this period - the second half of the 18 century, the heyday of the Soviet period (can not be strictly called Russian science

                        The most interesting and puzzling thing is that you are now writing and communicating in primitive Russian, and not in Kazakh or Chinese. Is that evidence of backwardness? Stop waving your fingers - it does not suit such an educated person. Russian science defeated the European in 45. Do not forget about the Marshall Plan and that there are many inventions by the minds of Russians or immigrants from the USSR.
                        What does ordinary Russian know at least about Chechens, about their history, culture, language? Nothing. But he knows a lot about Spain. Which Russian is able to draw a Tuvan in Tuvan clothes? But the Scotsman - easily.

                        Do you understand what you are writing? And you, for example, can distinguish Belarus from a resident of Vologda? In contrast to KZ, 150 nationalities live in Russia. Can you describe everyone? (Many people know about Chechnya now - as a hot spot.).
                      16. Marek Rozny
                        +4
                        April 28 2013 20: 57
                        1) the flag is American because my provider "Beeline" uses such IPs that are perceived by the site as American. I am physically in Kazakhstan, in Astana. The flag is constantly changing - sometimes Kazakh, sometimes stars and stripes.
                        2) The problems of the occupied territories are of little interest to me - I am much more concerned about the integrity of my personal space, where, according to my age-old habit, I include the Ukrainian steppes, the Caucasus mountains, and the Siberian taiga. Generations of steppe-Horde people, and then Russian, and then Soviet people sewed these lands into a single space. The state language and dynasties were changing - external borders have been preserved for one and a half thousand years. The fact that you do not perceive this land unified from the 6th century is the problem of the mentioned Eurocentrism, because of which you perceive the history of the Eurasian Center fragmentarily - exclusively within the framework of the development of the Russian state. Compare the territory of the Turkic Kaganate, the empire of Genghis Khan, the Russian Empire, the USSR to understand why some peoples of Eurasia stubbornly perceive the territory from the Ukrainian steppes to the Far East, from Russian cities to Central Asia as one. I have a drum about what state language in the empire, who steers - the Ashin clan, Genghisides, Romanovs, Bolsheviks, Putin-Nazarbayevs. The main thing for me is that my land (really covered with the blood of my direct ancestors) should remain whole and independent. I won’t be jarred even if Ukrainians or Azerbaijanis dominate this territory. This is their own.
                        3) Regarding knowledge of Asian history and culture. Any educated Russian will name at least a couple of works by Shakespeare, Homer or Walter Scott. But he will not be able to answer what Abai, Nizami or Confucius wrote. Moreover, the majority do not even know the names of Abai or Nizami. If it were not for "Abai-pay off", then, in the words of Navalny, he would have remained for many Muscovites "a monument to some incomprehensible Kazakh."
                        4) We ourselves received our land. We did not receive any land from the Russians. Do not attribute to yourself gifts that you have not given.
                        5) I am writing here in Russian (which I did not call "primitive"), because you hardly know my language. And if they did, then for any phrase in Kazakh - they make a ban here. Ask the admins who will confirm this to you. In addition to Russian, I speak several other languages ​​fluently. I can answer you in PM in German, in English and in Turkic languages.
                        6) There was no Russian science in 1945. There was Soviet science. You do not ascribe Zhores Alferov, for example, to Jewish science (he is a Jew by mother). Lomonosov - Russian science. Kurchatov - Soviet science.
                        7) Belarusians in Kazakhstan are enough. Belarusian language calmly distinguish from Russian. All the major nations of Kazakhstan (except exotic and microscopic) Kazakhs know. Unlike Russia, here from childhood we are driven into the head of the wealth of a multinational country and our media do not make Russians, Caucasians, Tajiks, Moldavians - thieves, hooligans, enemies. And this is not the merit of Nazarbayev. Our heads were cut off for insulting someone’s religion. Therefore, the steppes and others do not insult and do not allow themselves to be insulted. And therefore Chechens, Russians (except Great Russian chauvinists), Jews, Tajiks, Germans, Koreans in Kazakhstan live here normally. In your country, 20% are non-Russians. In Kazakhstan, 40% are non-Kazakhs. And we have no problems with foreigners. And I asked you not about the exotic peoples of Russia like the Tofalars or Nganasans, but about the Chechens and Tuvans. And Russians do not know anything about Chechens. In addition to being at war with them. They will not even be able to determine by language their Tuvan or Chechen language and what dishes they have. And I, as a Kazakh, was in Chechen houses, both in Kurdish, and in Belarus, and in German. You don’t even have to go far. I won’t even have time to smoke a cigarette.
                      17. Yarbay
                        +2
                        April 29 2013 13: 51
                        Mareku !!
                        And here I agree with you !!
                        Indeed, many Ruusks do not know the traditions and histories of those peoples with whom they live nearby and many problems from this !!
                        The Chechens began to become a little interested after the outbreak of the war, and in the rest I am also sure that they will not be distinguished not only by languages, but also by the location of peoples!
                        When I hear that an Armenian * is called * a Khach and rejoice not realizing that the Khach is translated from Turkic as well as from Armenian as a cross, then I see the future of the new generation as not bright!
                      18. Yarbay
                        +6
                        April 28 2013 17: 48
                        I completely agree with you !!!
                        There’s nothing to add!
                        Is it about the bathhouse, which was once built in Iran and which was drowned with one candle!
                        The British took it apart by stone and reassembled it, but they did not understand the principle of action at the time and could not achieve the effect!

                        Bahaaddin Muhammad ibn Hussein Ameli, nicknamed Sheikh Baha'i, was a prominent Iranian scientist of the 16-17th centuries, who possessed considerable knowledge in philosophy, logic, astronomy and mathematics. He also left behind beautiful poems and other literary works, writing about 85 books and treatises. Sheikh Bahai also raised many students, later prominent scientists, as well as designed and built a number of magnificent buildings of the Safavid era.
                        There are few who, when visiting the city of Isfahan, did not see one of the most famous works of Sheikh Baha'i, i.e. bath of Sheikh Bahai. A bath in which water was heated using a single candle. This building, according to its technical and mathematical calculations, is considered one of the masterpieces of engineering.
                        The bathhouse was built in 1654. The water in it was heated by natural gas, methane, which was formed in the sewer network of the Cathedral Mosque of Isfahan. Also, the leak of oil from the oil mill, which was located next to the bath, allowed to keep the fire of the candle constantly lit. Various oils were squeezed out in the creamery, and the liquid flowing into a special tank was actually ready-made fuel for heating water.
                        Iranian researcher Ali-Asgar Barahmaned, who has been researching the Sheikh Baha'i bath heating system for many years, says: “Since gold has excellent heat conductivity, the use of this metal in the reservoir system made it possible to maintain the water temperature at the right level due to a small amount of heat.”
                        He adds: “Cold water entered the water heater through the pipe from above and, passing through this device, was heated by the flame of a candle and accordingly heated all the rooms of the bathhouse.”
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                      19. +3
                        April 28 2013 18: 02
                        Well, this is understandable - every praise is swamped ... What have you attributed all the achievements of Asia to yourself? Hey, have a conscience - we have most of the country in Asia. How could it become uncomfortable! But no - you’re used to the fact that Russia owes you, from territory to resources and of course money. But you have the right to teach whom and what to do in our country, what to teach, whom to read and where to send boots for washing. Do not bury yourself like that ?! Can we ask a question about the Altai Territory? Something too painfully long, he was divided in half. Well arranged - everyone got it and now sit and spit on those who created this country for you.
                      20. Yarbay
                        +3
                        April 28 2013 18: 09
                        Quote: dddym
                        Well, this is understandable - every praise is swamped ... What have you attributed all the achievements of Asia to yourself?

                        I do not understand, in the sense of Asia ??))))
                        Where am I in Okinawa?)))))))))))
                        Quote: dddym
                        . But you have the right to teach whom and what to do in our country, what to teach, whom to read and where to send boots for washing. Do not bury yourself like that ?! Can we ask a question about the Altai Territory? Something too painfully long, he was divided in half. Well arranged - everyone got it and now sit and spit on those who created this country for you.

                        What are you speaking about??
                        Have you come to me with these questions?
                      21. +3
                        April 28 2013 18: 22
                        You just intervened in the dialogue. And fell under the hot hand. As for Asia - Asia is big and there are a lot of peoples living in it, including Russians - they also live in Asia. To ascribe to merit the merits of the whole continent is also to me please attribute. I also live in Asia. Only in Krasnoyarsk.
                      22. Yarbay
                        0
                        April 28 2013 18: 34
                        Quote: dddym
                        To ascribe to merit the merits of the whole continent is also to me please attribute.

                        I personally am pleased to attribute you as well!)))
                      23. +2
                        April 28 2013 19: 28
                        Gentlemen, the nationalists set the cons. So the potential allies will turn their backs on you because I tried to protect you from the attacks of the Nazis and now I understand that you do not need this. You yourself are Natsik.
                      24. Marek Rozny
                        +3
                        April 28 2013 23: 14
                        Well, actually they asked about the camps, answered about the camps. There was a talk (for my part) about Eurocentrism, touched on the theme of the eternal superiority of Asia and the temporary triumph of West Europe.
                        Russia is geographically Asia by and large. Moreover, Russians and Ukrainians differ from the Western Slavs in that they are more Asians in their mentality than Europeans. But the Russian mind in no way agrees to be an Asian, in no way wants to realize its kinship (and not only cultural, geographical and historical) with the "Tatar region". From this and many problems. They are drawn to the "Germans", but they never recognize the Eastern Slavs as their own. For the Western world, the Czechs are their own, while the Russians scare them with their Asian character and Slavic unpredictability.

                        Why the hell was it written that "used to that Russia owes you" ???? What is the hint? This is when the Kazakhs got into debt to Russia? In Soviet times, the Kazakh SSR was a donor republic of the union budget, we gave more than we received. They didn't build any Disneylands for us here. In tsarist times, the Russian government did not give the Kazakhs anything at all, only took land for the naked-ass Stolypin settlers. And after 1991, again, we did not receive any free nishtyaks from Russia and did not demand. So what are we used to? When and how much money did Russia give us?

                        And where did I teach you "where to wash your boots"? I just recalled the expansion of the Russian Empire (and then the USSR) to the East. Forgot when the Russian army took Tashkent by storm? Don't you know about Paul's order to march to India? Not aware of the Russian-British differences over Central Asia? Do you remember the invasion of the USSR into Iran, RI into Chinese Xinjiang? And how Soviet aviation bombed Kabul in the 20s, too, do not know? And how was China forced to recognize the independence of Mongolia under the protectorate of the USSR? Did I advise the Romanovs and Bolsheviks and Zhirinovsky to "wash boots in the Indian Ocean"? Instead of your irritation, then study the history of your own country. Then you will not be surprised.

                        Altai Territory - the land is not Russian at all. Yes, now this territory is divided between the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan, Mongolia and China, as it has historically developed. But this land is the cradle of all the Türks, who are still the main population of Altai (the Russian Altai Territory is only a part of the whole Altai). And the main Turkic population of Altai (at the same time autochthonous) is precisely the Kazakhs. What is in Mongolia, what is in China, not to mention the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan. Try to take away part of Altai from Kazakhstan - in an instant Russia will end on the Volga. We are not Germans, and not French.

                        And who created the country for us - the Russians? Die your Russian chauvinism. My ancestors over this land for centuries fought in blood with the Dzungars, Manchus, and others, when the Russians here didn’t even smell.
                      25. -4
                        April 28 2013 23: 28
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        In Soviet times, the Kazakh SSR was a donor republic of the Union budget
                        Enough pi ... lie editorials, what is your own? the checkbox gives out, fu, it stinks
                      26. Marek Rozny
                        +3
                        April 29 2013 00: 14
                        Why are you lying? Do you even know that 9 out of 10 bullets during the Second World War were cast from Kazakh lead? But has oil been extracted in KZ for more than 100 years, while in Russia oil began to be extracted only in the 70s? And what about uranium in Soviet reactors and bombs - from Kazakhstan? And what did the Kazakh SSR produce millions of tons of grain, metals, gas, meat, coal and other things for the USSR? Do not know - be silent. You won’t look stupid. The Caucasus is an all-Union health resort, the Kuban is an all-Union granary, Kuzbass is an all-Union forge, and Kazakhstan is an all-Union granary, forge and polygon.

                        And about the stench - so you smell yourself. This is not a stinking flag that Beeline "assigned" me ...
                      27. -1
                        April 29 2013 00: 26
                        I don’t poke that ... as Zheglov was told
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        But has oil been extracted in KZ for more than 100 years, and in Russia Siberian oil began to be extracted only in the 70s? And what is still uranium in Soviet reactors and bombs - from Kazakhstan?
                        Stop fucking ...... newspaper!
                        Hitler did not want to take the oil of Grozny and Baku? almost kz
                        The bomb was collected from Tajik (Chkalovsk) uranium, at least some kind of troll shouted that from Czech
                        lying, talking with a person, and the newspaper is good ...
                      28. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        April 29 2013 01: 55
                        and whether I will "vykat" you, if you do not follow the language yourself? you follow your smell, then it won't stink in your nose.
                        1) In Baku and Grozny, production was in even greater volumes than in Kazakhstan. I'm not talking about Chechnya and not about Azerbaijan, but about those lands that the Russians call their own. And until oil began to pump in Siberia, hydrocarbons were extracted in Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan.
                        2) Are you talking about the first atomic bomb? And about the other bombs and reactors do not want to talk? Even now, Russia is forced to buy uranium in Kazakhstan, because Russia does not have commercial uranium mining.

                        Calm down and take the information as it is. Some cannot knock out of their heads the myth that they allegedly fed all the national districts ... Solzhenitsyn will live for a long time in your heads, in vain did they incite him in the States on the topic of "arranging Russia." With this kind of thinking, there will definitely be no cooperation with you. You have only parasites, beggars and traitors around. The Russians quickly forgot how they evacuated to Central Asia during the war. When the German reached Moscow, how many Russians left for Kazakhstan, Tashkent, Kyrgyzstan, etc.? Don't you remember that? But now you are reproaching the same Central Asians with a piece of bread, whose fathers gave shelter to your fathers. Ivans-not-remembering-kinship.
                      29. -3
                        1 May 2013 18: 37
                        If it weren’t for Russia, you would still live in Turkestan and would be divided into khanates, zhuzes, emirates, tribes, and other formations and you NEVER had your own full-fledged national states (the Khorezmite, Chingizid and Timurid formations do not count - they were conglomerates tribes).
                        No one disputes the discoveries of scientists, but your peoples do not equal them, but often foreign cultures that are hostile to you and to us.
                        As for the fact that "poor migrant workers" "are not allowed to pray normally" and "they are not allowed to build mosques" - this is my country and the people inhabiting Russia, it is NOT ACCEPTED from us, the Orthodox, that there are many mosques, datsans and other synagogues there - I do not like - return to your homeland and pray in them as much as you want; We DON'T pray on the streets to hundreds and thousands of Muslims, making it difficult for normal citizens to be on the streets and embarrassing them, because by doing this you are invading our personal cultural space.
                        I have many Muslim friends and none of them whine that he "lacks mosques" or "is forbidden to pray insolently on the streets." They understand that they are visiting and will not be impudent and demand that they form Asia in a separate Russian corner.
                        I consider any religion so intimate to allow it to invade the state, and even more so, to invade state life. Especially this is the sin of the Muslim states, in which the Islamists again try to gain the upper hand. As far as I know, in any post-Soviet Central Asian country religion is prohibited from interfering in the affairs of the state and for any propaganda of radical Islam you can get a hat on the very tomatoes.
                        Guest workers do not come to us from a good life, but to lead a normal existence. And here erefia is afraid to do something. Instead of promoting Russian culture for them and making them "agents of influence" of Russia, "Gaster" see the dominance of the Western way of life and they do not need THAT - so they are saved in their own world with prayers, Allah, and also with a primordially international pastime - drunkenness (in my city, drunks have moved out from a couple of hostels and now Central Asians live in them - THERE is a continuous "blue pit" - I have not seen ANY prayers and appeals to Allah - but only screams, drunkenness and fights).
                        And about your "kyrgyzstaniya" - as the Kyrgyz were Kyrgyz for us, so you will remain, and the fact that your kurultai is trying to shove cotton wool into the ears of the world community about "democracy" and "glasnost" - how you were such freeloaders and will remain - even the army you can't contain yours normally ...
                        Well, in the end, I’ll summarize the following, that in all of her and not only her troubles, as well as throughout the post-Soviet space, erefiya is to blame for herself ONLY because she chews on the snot and instead of an intelligible and reasonable answer to the current world challenges, if A says, but it doesn’t bring him to Y. And we are guilty of spoiling our authorities, or rather those who call themselves as such ...
                        And to all enemies - do not kick the sleeping bear - Russia is sleeping, hiding from above with a blanket of erefii. But I do not envy you (liberals, democrats, Islamists, fascists) when she wakes up ...
                      30. 0
                        April 29 2013 09: 24
                        I'm not a chauvinist at all - just rudeness can only be answered with rudeness. There is only one fact - there was no Kazakhstan before the revolution, but there were tribes that did not have their own written language, a single center, and if not for Soviet power, then you would be slaves to all the same Chinese.
                      31. Marek Rozny
                        0
                        April 29 2013 11: 40
                        Quote: dddym
                        just rudeness can only be answered with rudeness.

                        poke your finger where I got you naughty.
                        Quote: dddym
                        there was no Kazakhstan before the revolution, but there were tribes that did not have their own written language, a single center, and if not for Soviet power, then you would be slaves to all the same Chinese.

                        1) The Kazakh Khanate was formed in the middle of the 15th century. Russia maintained diplomatic relations with the Kazakh state, right up to the annexation of the Kazakh Khanate to the Russian Empire. The khanate was forcibly liquidated by tsarism on the basis of the "Charter of the Siberian Kirghiz", developed in 1822. As a result, instead of the Kazakh Khanate, governorships were formed. So before talking about the fact that the Kazakhs did not have their own state, it would be useful to read at least something about the history of Kazakhstan.
                        2) Kazakhs before the Cyrillic alphabet used the Latin alphabet in 30-40 years, before that (even before the advent of the Russians) writing was like that of all Muslims on the basis of Arabica, before Islam - the ancestors of the Kazakhs used the Turkic runic script. Other alphabets were also used later - Chagatai writing, Sogdian writing, etc.
                        3) Kazakh capitals:
                        a) Ancient and medieval capitals in Kazakhstan:
                        Suyab - Turkic Kaganate (552-603)
                        Yangikent (settlement) - Oguz state (750-1055), abandoned by residents in the XII century.
                        Taraz is one of the capitals of the State of Karakhanids (840-1212)
                        Balasagun (located on the territory of the modern Kyrgyz Republic) - one of the capitals of the State of Karakhanids (840-1212), the capital from 942 to 1042, was captured by the Mongols in 1219 and destroyed in the XIV century.
                        Koylyk - Karluk Khanate (960-1222)
                        Almalyk - Karluk Khanate (1200-1222)
                        Saraichik - Nogai Khanate (1440-1634)
                        Orda Bazar is a city on the territory of Kazakhstan and the eastern capital of the Golden Horde from 1224 to 1254. It was located about 150 km northwest of the modern city of Zhezkazgan.
                        b) Kazakh Khanate:
                        Suzak is the capital of the Kazakh Khanate (1465-1469, 1511-1521).
                        Syganak - the capital of the Kipchaks (XII — XIV); Ak-Orda rate (XIV — XV); in 1446, Khan Abulkhair moved his capital here and until the XNUMXth century Syganak was the center of the Kazakh Khanate.
                        Turkistan
                        Tashkent
                        c) Kazakhstan in the XX — XXI centuries:
                        Orenburg (1920-1924)
                        Kzyl-Orda (1924-1929)
                        Alma-Ata (1929-1997)
                        Akmola (since December 10, 1997, renamed to Astana on July 6, 1998)
                        4) You don't need to scare us with the Chinese. Firstly, at that time they themselves were enslaved by the Manchus (Qing Empire), secondly, the Manchus (rustling in Kazakh) could not achieve any conquests in the Kazakh steppe, and thirdly, even if they defeated the Kazakhs, then they simply did not have human resources to physically capture Kazakhstan. For example, even in Xinjiang, which belonged to the Qing Empire, there were no Manchus themselves, and there was a minimum number of Chinese. The main population was Turks (mostly Uyghurs). Even today, Chinese in Xinjiang make up half of the population, given that virtually all of these Chinese have been resettled in the region over the past few decades. The Chinese still cannot "digest" the Uighurs, let alone the Kazakh steppes. So scare the Chinese of the Far East - that's where you need to worry first.
                      32. Yarbay
                        +1
                        April 29 2013 14: 10
                        Quote: dddym
                        I'm not a chauvinist at all
                        You may not be a chauvinist, but like many of your fellow countrymen, you don’t know the history of the peoples with whom you lived, so you think that everyone was in a difficult situation and if you hadn’t lost it all!
                        That’s the trouble!
                        By WWII
                        Already in 1941, a record amount of oil was produced in Baku - 23,5 million tons. Neither before nor after did the oil industry of Azerbaijan reach such an indicator. The oil refining plan was implemented at 122,8%. The plan for the production of gasoline - by 118%. In 1942, in connection with the occupation of the North Caucasus, oil production in Maykop and Grozny ceased. In addition, the railway connecting Baku with the Center was cut. Despite this, oil delivery from Baku did not stop. Oil products from Baku were transported along the Caspian Sea and further through Central Asia and Kazakhstan.
                        Particular attention was paid to the production of petroleum products directly for the needs of the army. With the exception of a brief period in 1942, the production of aviation gasoline and other materials for the front increased continuously. Baku refineries regularly exceeded refined oil production plans. In 1943, the oil refining industry of Azerbaijan fulfilled the plan for the production of aviation gasolines by 134%, naphtha - by 127,9%, kerosene - by 101,7%, diesel fuel - by 139,6%, aircraft oils - by 105,7%, naval fuel - by 162% 1. And in subsequent years, the production of all types of oil industry products related to the supply of the army, continuously grew. “It is the fuel of Baku,” as E.B. Muradaliev, - set in motion Soviet tanks, planes, cars, bringing more and more victories over fascism!
                      33. Ronin201
                        -1
                        1 May 2013 16: 55
                        And after the revolution and Roissy as such did not die, the empire died, the correct state of the Soviet Union appeared!
                      34. Marek Rozny
                        +1
                        April 28 2013 23: 17
                        Well, actually they asked about the camps, answered about the camps. There was a talk (for my part) about Eurocentrism, touched on the theme of the eternal superiority of Asia and the temporary triumph of West Europe.
                        Russia is geographically Asia by and large. Moreover, Russians and Ukrainians differ from the Western Slavs in that they are more Asians in their mentality than Europeans. But the Russian mind in no way agrees to be an Asian, in no way wants to realize its kinship (and not only cultural, geographical and historical) with the "Tatar region". From this and many problems. They are drawn to the "Germans", but they never recognize the Eastern Slavs as their own. For the Western world, the Czechs are their own, while the Russians scare them with their Asian character and Slavic unpredictability.

                        Why the hell was it written that "used to that Russia owes you" ???? What is the hint? This is when the Kazakhs got into debt to Russia? In Soviet times, the Kazakh SSR was a donor republic of the union budget, we gave more than we received. They didn't build any Disneylands for us here. In tsarist times, the Russian government did not give the Kazakhs anything at all, only took land for the naked-ass Stolypin settlers. And after 1991, again, we did not receive any free nishtyaks from Russia and did not demand. So what are we used to? When and how much money did Russia give us?
                        And where did I teach you "where to wash your boots"? I just recalled the expansion of the Russian Empire (and then the USSR) to the East. Forgot when the Russian army took Tashkent by storm? Don't you know about Paul's order to march to India? Not aware of the Russo-British differences over Central Asia? Do you remember the invasion of the USSR into Iran, RI into Chinese Xinjiang? And how Soviet aviation bombed Kabul in the 20s, too, do not know? And how was China forced to recognize the independence of Mongolia under the protectorate of the USSR? Did I advise the Romanovs and Bolsheviks and Zhirinovsky to "wash boots in the Indian Ocean"? Instead of your irritation, then study the history of your own country. Then you will not be surprised.

                        Altai Territory - the land is not Russian at all. Yes, now this territory is divided between the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan, Mongolia and China. But this land is the cradle of all Türks. Which are still the main population of Altai (the Russian Altai Territory is only a part of the whole Altai). And the main Turkic population of Altai (at the same time autochthonous) is precisely the Kazakhs. What is in Mongolia, what is in China, not to mention the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan. Try to take away part of Altai from Kazakhstan - in an instant Russia will end on the Volga.
                        We are not Germans, and not French.
                        And who created the country for us - the Russians? Die your Russian chauvinism. My ancestors over this land for centuries fought in blood with the Dzungars, Manchus, and others, when the Russians here didn’t even smell.
                      35. Misantrop
                        0
                        April 28 2013 18: 33
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        A bath in which water was heated using a single candle. This building, according to its technical and mathematical calculations, is considered one of the masterpieces of engineering.
                        By the way, copper has a much higher coefficient of thermal conductivity. Or was copper not kosher to use? By the way, if you calculate the MAXIMUM amount of heat generated by a candle (even excluding heat loss AT ALL) and compare it with the amount of heat needed to heat the volume of water needed for a bath, then ... the numbers will not converge ... I’ll venture to assume that the result in Iceland the construction of such a bath would be even worse (if not built at the location of the thermal springs) ...;)
                      36. Yarbay
                        0
                        April 28 2013 18: 55
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        and compare with the amount of heat

                        that's just the point, it is given here briefly!
                        and if you go to Isfahan, they will tell you in detail)))
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        I would venture to suggest

                        but I’m sure that in those days few knew about this))))))
                      37. Misantrop
                        +3
                        April 28 2013 19: 02
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        in those days, few knew about it)))
                        The fact is that heat engineering was part of my specialty (nuclear engineers taught this very seriously). So I can easily figure out the heat balance even without reference books wink
                      38. Yarbay
                        +1
                        April 28 2013 22: 01
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        The fact is that heat engineering was part of my specialty (nuclear engineers taught this very seriously). So I can easily figure out the heat balance even without reference books

                        Well, I’m kind of talking about this, in the 17th century nuclear engineers were hardly engineers)))))))))
                      39. 0
                        April 29 2013 11: 53
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        The fact is that heat engineering was part of my specialty (nuclear engineers taught this very seriously). So I can easily figure out the heat balance even without reference books

                        Energy conservation law crossed out? Or created your new? Rzhunemagu ....
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        A bath in which water was heated using a single candle. This building, according to its technical and mathematical calculations, is considered one of the masterpieces of engineering.

                        One misunderstood what he wrote, the other picked up - and-and-and-and, here's a new epoch-making invention)))))))))))
                        When viewing Prokopenko and Chapman on RenTV, filter the lion’s portion ...
                        Good luck.
                      40. 0
                        April 29 2013 11: 15
                        The transition of "consciousness" from one part of humanity to another STUPIDITY before the limited resources of the earth. I do not see the subject of dispute on this page at all! Now we are all facing a catastrophe, I mean all of humanity, because we all ran into an energy dead end. And only "civilization" as a whole can solve it, and this, in my opinion, is globalization and the departure of nationalities and the concept of individual peoples. But on what conditions and WHO? The USSR could be in the forefront and build new laws for the future order of mankind. And the current disputes of nationalities are necessary for those who do not want to see US in the future and this is a shame.
                      41. +3
                        April 28 2013 17: 35
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        I'm not saying that until recently, Europeans had no idea about hygiene and other basic things.
                        But what about such a common myth as about slavery about unwashed Russia
                        Western sorrow teachers disagree with you
                      42. Focuser
                        0
                        April 28 2013 18: 43
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Although in fact, Europe has lived all its life on the edge of scientific thought (and Asian). From the time of the industrial revolution until the 20th century, Europe has pulled ahead for several centuries, but now everything is back - Asia is moving forward, Europe is slipping back to where it has been all these centuries - in the world.

                        MarekI'm just amazed! Reading your comments on topwar, I am not surprised, namely, amazed at your obsession with Asians in general and Turks in particular! This is a phenomenal thing! In general, I thought for myself that one way or another, sooner or later you are here on topwar.ru, all the significant achievements in science, military achievements ascribe to the Turks, and if it does not work, then to the Asians !!)))
                        Here you are in this case saying that Asia was developed in a scientific sense better than Europe before and will prevail somewhat AFTER in the future. Along the way, you give the names of these five outstanding People and talk about several other achievements that Asia can boast. Ok, I have neither the time nor the desire to sort out the details, so I will accept everything that you said at face value. In response, I will give you a list of Nobel laureates in physics over the last ~ 100 years that this award exists, minus representatives of Asia (~ 15 people out of more than 190!). This will result in a list of approximately 175 people. These are all representatives of North America and Europe (I consider Russian / Soviet scientists to be Europe in this case). I repeat that these are all people whose achievements are recognized + only in the last century and only in physics alone. So I very much doubt that you will give a comparable list of achievements of the representatives of Asia. I would venture to even say that for all the time.

                        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_лауреатов_Нобелевск
                      43. Focuser
                        +3
                        April 28 2013 18: 46
                        Quote: Marek Rozny
                        Although in fact, Europe has lived all its life on the edge of scientific thought (and Asian). From the time of the industrial revolution until the 20th century, Europe has pulled ahead for several centuries, but now everything is back - Asia is moving forward, Europe is slipping back to where it has been all these centuries - in the world.

                        MarekI'm just amazed! Reading your comments on topwar, I am not surprised, namely, amazed at your obsession with Asians in general and Turks in particular! This is a phenomenal thing! In general, I thought for myself that one way or another, sooner or later you are here on topwar.ru, all the significant achievements in science, military achievements ascribe to the Turks, and if it does not work, then to the Asians !!)))
                        Here you are in this case saying that Asia was developed in a scientific sense better than Europe before and will prevail somewhat AFTER in the future. Along the way, you give the names of these five outstanding People and talk about several other achievements that Asia can boast. Ok, I have neither the time nor the desire to sort out the details, so I will accept everything that you said at face value. In response, I will give you a list of Nobel laureates in physics over the last ~ 100 years that this award exists, minus representatives of Asia (~ 15 people out of more than 190!). This will result in a list of approximately 175 people. These are all representatives of North America and Europe (I consider Russian / Soviet scientists to be Europe in this case). I repeat that these are all people whose achievements are recognized + only in the last century and only in physics alone. So I very much doubt that you will give a comparable list of achievements of the representatives of Asia. I would venture to even say that for all the time.

                        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_лауреатов_Нобелевской_премии_по_физике
                      44. Earthman
                        +2
                        April 28 2013 20: 27
                        Quote: Focker
                        I'm just amazed!

                        He meant that Central Asia was not backward. all nations once fought in ancient times, the reason for this is competition, which means that every person is a warrior. Now, one tribe conquers another, which means it assimilates the subjugated oneself or vice versa. Well, Marek meant that the Turks in the 4-5 centuries came to the open spaces of world competition, as they united under one kagan, which means they began to steer in the history of that time, and now, can a stupid and idiotic population be strong? it is obvious that the Türks greatly prevailed in the military art until the 15th century. You did not agree that Farabi is a Kazakh. Yes, you are right in something, he is not Kazakh in the modern sense, but the genes of him and his relatives have probably been flowing for a long time among the Kazakhs, is not it? Well, not a Byzantine and not Novgorod? Biruni - Karakalpak, is also puzzling, but his genes flow with probability into Karakalpak. But the thought boils down to what? to the fact that the peoples were invented by people themselves, by the eyes of the Earth there are only species that inhabit it, do you understand the idea? and religions, too, were created by people, and education, and machines are all the fruit of people's fantasies, and now they are stupidly observing rituals, not understanding why a people or tribe came to this or that understanding of God. Catch a thought?
                      45. Marek Rozny
                        +4
                        April 28 2013 21: 33
                        Foker, the question was asked: "Who was there in your camp in science?" I answered. Be amazed at how much you can fit.
                        Regarding the Nobel laureates - and who argues that the list of winners is almost the only Western European? 80% of the laureates are representatives of the German language group. The commission selects from among these peoples. The remaining 20% ​​are Soviet, French, Italians, and Asians. How long has the United States become a leader in science? Just last night. Well done, no bazaar. It doesn’t even bother me that the majority of Americans and others are ethnic Jews (even among Soviet / Russian laureates). You will notice the growth of Asians over the past 20 years - the Japanese, the Chinese (sometimes under a different flag).
                        I say that Western European science has been steering for only four centuries and is now giving way to Asians. Japanese and Chinese Jews are being squeezed. East woke up.
                      46. +3
                        April 30 2013 22: 50
                        Dear Marek,
                        I often read your comments, almost always agree with you.
                        Salem to you from Astana.
                        I have always been very positive about integration processes in the post-Soviet space and the friendship of peoples. Especially the friendship of Kazakhstanis and Russians.
                        But, lately I have the impression that we are already too different and Uncle Sam has already won. Look at us! Dogs with each other, ready to water each other at the slightest occasion. Each of us believes that he is the most intelligent, successful and right-wing. But isn’t this (lack of agreement, fragmentation and conflicts) necessary for our opponents?
                        Take a look! We are all in shit, head over heels. And watering them each other, we will not become cleaner.
                        You say to a Russian "Kazakhstan is a friend!" and they say to you, "separated, so hang out in the forest on your own." And then he goes and starts complaining, they say, everything was thrown.
                        He says that in our country there is a mess, corruption, feudalism, cannibalism, etc. although he has his own house burning and smelling bad.
                        He says that we have only Natsik in Kz and that they kicked everyone out. Russians, do you read your comments? Which of us is Natsik here?
                        They say that it’s not power but basmachi, bais and dictators. At the same time, he himself doesn’t mind shaking his own.
                        He says that his people are great, the ancestors - have long gone down in history as individuals. But at the same time, his people throngedly thumps and degenerates.
                        He says that Russians in Kazakhstan should be full and respected members of society, but at the same time speak very unflatteringly of any non-Russians in the Russian Federation.
                        He says that namaz is "standing with cancer and dibilism churok" but at the same time requires that the Orthodox are not infringed anywhere.

                        And you know what else is the trick? And the fact is that all this is applicable in both directions. If you change the Russian and Kazakhstani places in principle, it will be close to the truth.
                        Do not look for specks in the eyes of others until you remove the logs from your own!

                        People, understand, all of us are blundered. And we can rise only together, only if we respect each other and support. Otherwise, we will not have a very bright future.

                        Best regards
                      47. +1
                        20 May 2013 18: 28
                        Salem from Kyzylorda, Arsek. I agree with you one hundred percent !!! + Dear you !!!
                      48. +1
                        April 29 2013 12: 02
                        Afghanistan, too, was once quite a secular state, alas! England + Russia + USA with the goal sometimes still not clear created what we see today.
                    2. slas
                      +4
                      April 27 2013 13: 47
                      Quote: tm70-71
                      The knock from every second comment stinks of fascism.

                      Is your homeland not an Izgale case? )
                    3. AK44
                      0
                      April 27 2013 21: 41
                      Quote: tm70-71
                      . And maybe my ancestors say thanks

                      Your ancestors do not count for the fact that such a dolbo.ba raised! From each of your comments it stinks and dementia!
                4. Maximus
                  +2
                  April 27 2013 15: 27
                  There is no Kyrgyzstan, but there are Kyrgyz ... strange, maybe it's because we all have here?
                5. Grey74
                  0
                  April 27 2013 16: 49
                  Well, there is no Mexico, but there is the Mexican United States, and take a look at the map, what is there?
                  1. Maximus
                    0
                    April 27 2013 17: 24
                    Mex. United States is the first official name of Mexico, dozens of examples. I mean that in Russia, Kyrgyzstan is one of the official names of the Kyrgyz Republic, it's just more familiar to "our ear". But we do not argue with amers about the fact that we are called Russia or the Russian Federation, and not Russia.
              2. Maximus
                +6
                April 27 2013 15: 25
                Because in Russian vocabulary and phonetics, it is Kyrgyz, not Kyrgyz, you do not call the Germans, Deutsche and the English, English. Kyrgyz is the self-designation of the Kyrgyz, but it is in the Kyrgyz language, and we are used to talking more in Russian.
                1. +5
                  April 27 2013 16: 21
                  In fact, Kyrgyzstan is the Kyrgyz Republic was part of the USSR - now they are not Kyrgyz but Kyrgyz. And it is in Russian! Leave him alone am
                  1. Maximus
                    0
                    April 27 2013 17: 33
                    About the fact that she was in the Union, the KSSR, everything is clear with this, probably only a schoolboy does not know about this. But - "from a change of places of words, the amount does not change." Listen to our news announcers and those in power, Kyrgyzstan is called Kyrgyzstan at the official level.
            3. +11
              April 27 2013 10: 02
              tm70-71! Dont be upset. We hoped that after a positive assessment of the "blooper" from the photo, they will thank you for your detailed explanation?
              Alas, some on the forum do not need your truth, but "fart louder", of course, for rating and increasing their own self-esteem. The usual tactic for a certain category of people is to shout either "Hurray" or "Shame" the loudest.
              1. +2
                April 27 2013 10: 15
                Quote: VadimSt
                We hoped that after a positive assessment of the "blooper" from the photo, they will thank you for your detailed explanation?

                Above koment
                Quote: shark
                shark
                he already scattered for the bloopers in the photo.
                Quote: VadimSt
                Alas, some on the forum do not need your truth,

                There is no ours and your truth, the truth is always what it is! And the fact that the photo is the truth of modern Russia unfortunately.
                1. +4
                  April 27 2013 10: 29
                  I have long understood your position and I don’t see the need to discuss with you!
                  1. -3
                    April 27 2013 10: 42
                    Quote: VadimSt
                    I have long understood your position and I don’t see the need to discuss with you!

                    Yes, I noticed this a long time ago and did not even expect to answer, especially when it comes to TRUTH wink
                    1. +27
                      April 27 2013 11: 18
                      You yourself answered your comment!

                      My truth is that I was raised and raised in an international country. Therefore, I never identify:
                      - citizens of a country with a government policy;
                      - a sign of nationality with crime;
                      - a bunch of neo-fascists in Lviv, or a crowd on Bolotnaya with all of Ukraine or all of Russia;

                      I don’t shout "Hurray" so that they clap their hands and add a rating in the form of mythical shoulder straps - more than half of my life was spent in shoulder straps, which I am proud of.
                      1. +25
                        April 27 2013 11: 52
                        Quote: VadimSt
                        I don’t shout "Hurray" so that they clap their hands and add a rating in the form of mythical shoulder straps - more than half of my life was spent in shoulder straps, which I am proud of.


                        Hello Vadim! Nice and correct words. He himself spent half of his life in airborne uniforms, grew up in a Russian officer's family. I was born in Tajikistan, lived in Kazakhstan, Moldova, Ukraine in garrisons, and I know for sure that there are no bad nations, there are "Natsiks" in any nation, including native Russian. But at the same time, I still fully support the introduction of visa and other restrictions on the entry of guest workers into the Russian Federation. Twenty years have passed since the Soviet Union, and most Asians simply do not remember and do not know about the role of Russia in the formation of their countries. They basically look at Russia as a kind of Ali Baba's cave, access to which they will now be denied. People from Asian republics should think about why this happened and why the word Open sesame no longer valid. It is time for them to restore order in their own countries and value relations with Russia.
                      2. +15
                        April 27 2013 13: 21
                        I totally agree with you!
                        A civilized approach, in the national interests of the state, on migration issues is necessary. Yes, the double-dealing of the current politicians of the former CIS is not only necessary, but also necessary to fight - by all available methods.

                        Labor migrants must understand that Russia is not fighting with them, but with the policy pursued by their national elites - "with one hand, and with the other drywall." The policy of begging and blackmail, in relation to Russia, turns sideways not to the national elite, but to the people.
                        Why, in some countries, are citizens forced to go to Russia, despite the fact that thousands of Chinese workers are attracted to the country on behalf of the state? Let them seek the answer in their own country.
                      3. +7
                        April 27 2013 19: 01
                        And I have another example. They also lived in Central Asia. There were no nationalities in the house (even the Greeks). They lived in the Union amicably, practically were friends with families. When the wedding, everyone is called to the holiday, you cannot come - they will bring food home! When the Uzbeks' son died, it was the grief of the whole house. And then came the 90s ... And those Uzbeks with whom they lived like that turned out to be animals. It was scary to let the children out into the street. I still remember how the father of that family shouted - "Russian, take your suitcase, station, Russia." So they are what they are. And the more there are here, the stronger I myself become a Natsik.
                      4. Frunze
                        +1
                        April 28 2013 22: 49
                        Everything is correctly stated about Central Asia, at the Osh-1 events I and the men kept the massacre from starting in Frunze (the capital), broke four police batons, these days, my deepest disappointment in yesterday’s neighbors, etc., by silent In agreement with the Kyrgyz classmates, they NEVER discussed who was where, and what they did at the Osh events, everyone understood the crack (in the relationship) couldn’t jump over ... Special thanks to the Pskov Airborne Regiment, without them we would not last long, there was treason around, cowardice and meanness what, Osh-2 only confirmed, not an accident of Osh first.
                      5. -1
                        April 29 2013 12: 09
                        A monument was erected to Borka, a drunkard, and a juvenile spotted medal of peace. These are the values ​​of the world who cannot be washed in blood with a medal and a monument.
                      6. +5
                        April 27 2013 12: 16
                        Quote: VadimSt
                        citizens of a country with a government policy;

                        I understand that about Ukraine
                        Quote: VadimSt
                        sign of nationality with crime;

                        48% of all crimes in Moscow are committed by migrants.
                        Quote: VadimSt
                        a bunch of neo-fascists in Lviv,

                        Dear, this bunch got 12% of the vote. I gained 15% in freedom in Kiev, but I won’t even talk about Lviv. Here is a bunch hi
                        Quote: VadimSt
                        I don’t shout "Hurray" to be clapped and added a rating in the form of mythical shoulder straps

                        I, too, if Lenin is a traitor, then I call him a traitor, despite the hundreds of minuses on one topic. Those who are minuscule in fright are worried about the reiteration, fearing to insert comments. Trivolta in this regard, well done
                      7. +5
                        April 27 2013 14: 40
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        48% of all crimes in Moscow are committed by migrants.

                        Not 48 but all 78 !!!
                      8. Marek Rozny
                        +2
                        April 28 2013 13: 59
                        In 2011, more than 173 thousand criminal offenses were registered in Moscow. Foreign citizens and stateless persons committed 9 thousand acts punishable by the Criminal Code.
                        Official data of the Moscow police.

                        But the fact that the vast majority of migrants work in violation of the Ad.Codex is another matter. But the criminality in Moscow time is for Russians, both Muscovites and visitors from other regions of Russia.
                      9. Earthman
                        0
                        April 28 2013 20: 34
                        Quote: VadimSt
                        My truth is that I was raised and raised in an international country. Therefore, I never identify:
                        - citizens of a country with a government policy;
                        - a sign of nationality with crime;
                        - a bunch of neo-fascists in Lviv, or a crowd on Bolotnaya with all of Ukraine or all of Russia;

                        A big bow to you, thanks for the adequate response and judgment.
                        I want to join in verses:

                        ... Judge the people by his poet, I judge the Turks by Nazim Hikmet ...
                      10. +1
                        April 28 2013 22: 57
                        Quote: Earthman
                        .Judge about the people by his poet
                        Is it about judging by Shakespeare and Byron judging?
                        it does not pull them
                  2. Lakkuchu
                    +6
                    April 27 2013 11: 14
                    Vadim, I wanted to support you, put a plus, but for some reason I got out a minus request no tricks shaitan))
                2. tm70-71
                  +2
                  April 27 2013 10: 36
                  Where is the truth there? The photo has nothing to do with Russia. It was necessary to attach a photo of Bolotny, would it also be TRUE?
                  1. +3
                    April 27 2013 10: 43
                    Quote: tm70-71
                    Where is the truth there? The photo has nothing to do with Russia.

                    Now I’m not talking about the photo for the article, but for the one I posted and it’s from Moscow hi
                    1. tm70-71
                      0
                      April 27 2013 11: 02
                      Maybe it's time to start doing business?
                      1. +2
                        April 27 2013 11: 08
                        Quote: tm70-71
                        Maybe it's time to start doing business?

                        Which one? To clear Russia of Islamists, I am only for hi
                      2. tm70-71
                        0
                        April 27 2013 11: 22
                        Here again. What is Islam? Who are the Islamists? Romanov, are you generally Russian, do you speak Russian well?
                      3. +1
                        April 27 2013 12: 20
                        Quote: tm70-71
                        Here again. What is Islam? Who are the Islamists?

                        Above the people posted a video in comments, there are all the answers and even more.
                      4. 0
                        April 28 2013 02: 58
                        my grandfather, in the war, spoke German)
                      5. FiremanRS
                        +5
                        April 27 2013 15: 54
                        Alexander, I myself am not a believer. however, it is not good to say that the Islamists (Christians, Jews) are to blame for everything. There are people who cover up their affairs with this or that faith. And this is a completely different difference. You need to clean and oh how much you need to. But not as you called it - "to clear Russia of Islamists ..."
                      6. 0
                        April 28 2013 16: 40
                        Quote: FiremanRS
                        Alexander, I myself am not a believer. however, it is not good to say that the Islamists (Christians, Jews) are to blame for everything. There are people who cover up their affairs with this or that faith. And this is a completely different difference. You need to clean and oh how much you need to. But not as you called it - "to clear Russia of Islamists ..."

                        It is the Islamists, Christians, Muslims, kittens, democrats, fascists, communists, nomenklaturshiki, and other -ists, fanatics, who are evil, and lead those who doubt those who are guilty.
                        Orthodox are also on the general list.
                  2. Maximus
                    0
                    April 27 2013 11: 12
                    Do not confuse .... with a goose neck!
              2. +4
                April 27 2013 13: 39
                VadimSt
                Such insignificant and petty quibbles about penny shortcomings are very characteristic of oppressed nationalists like you and the one you supported ... while the exposure of an unintentional blooper is followed by a terrible schizophrenic exposure of bad Russians, a proud but sorrowful mine of a sufferer for his people ... how tired of your attempts to "fart louder" not even to inflate your self-esteem ... what self-esteem can be in a person with an injured .... national pride? Just. that I am, I am, and if the world does not notice me, then the world is bad! Unfortunately, this is a common tactic of those like you ... and pulls you, such brothers in misfortune, to each other like these. who now in Europe everything is possible ... and you screech just as loudly ... and the value of your screams and you are the same ... and you don't even notice all the insignificance of your petty quibbles and the ridiculousness of idiotic reflections ... I'm happy. that among Russians this is almost never found ...
                1. 0
                  April 27 2013 14: 00
                  Hi Vladimir! I wrote to him in PM, I didn’t write here, I don’t even have any desire. There are open nationalists who write directly and get there, but here a person writes correctly, but very cunningly .. that many are being conducted.
                  1. +5
                    April 27 2013 14: 17
                    Alexander Romanov
                    Greetings!
                    I absolutely agree ... these are the cunning ones ... who are the most dangerous. By the way, many of them have such a broken psychology that they are not even able to realize how Russophobia has been driven into their heads ... they even say something good about Russia, reflexively show their fig ... without noticing it ... My God, how many years have passed since the days of "perestroika, glasnost, demokresi" .... and how much has changed the psychology of these peoples, who really were previously a single family .... indeed, lice are much easier to get. than get rid of them later ... bitterly ...: (((
                    1. +3
                      April 27 2013 14: 37
                      Quote: smile
                      .that these are the tricky ... opy and are the most dangerous

                      Yes, I scribbled him in PM, I think he understood my position. dispersed here today, and the soldiers are not far laughing
                      Quote: smile
                      indeed, lice are much easier to get. then get rid of them

                      I agree, lice are a problem laughing
            4. 0
              April 27 2013 15: 11
              But in Russia, these guests do not become impudent? Are they behaving peacefully?
          2. Warrawar
            +1
            April 27 2013 17: 20
            Yes, that's right, with all "... countries" visa regime!
          3. 46bob46
            0
            April 27 2013 21: 56
            photos from Kazakhstan are on our website
          4. Land
            0
            April 28 2013 13: 37
            That's right!
        2. 0
          April 27 2013 10: 08
          Quote: tm70-71
          As a representative of the Kyrgyz Republic in this forum, this photo offends me.

          I understand that the Kyrgyz Amer’s flag, why put it on? laughing
          1. tm70-71
            -1
            April 27 2013 10: 38
            I wrote above, to the moderator a question.
            1. +2
              April 27 2013 10: 44
              Quote: tm70-71
              I wrote above, to the moderator a question.

              Moderators and admins are not responsible for your flag, this is a question for your provider.
              1. tm70-71
                0
                April 27 2013 11: 03
                Well, then to the provider.
            2. +1
              April 27 2013 15: 23
              in profile you can change
        3. +4
          April 27 2013 12: 47
          tm70-71
          You can take my word for it - none of the visitors, except you, noticed that in the photograph "Kyrgyz", as you put it .. well, we do not see much difference in appearance ..... perhaps the fact is that it did not have meanings, they did not pay attention to nationalities - well, we did not have such nationalism, which some small but proud ones allowed themselves ... but you were offended in vain ... it's petty somehow for a representative of any "republic" ... ...
          1. +4
            April 27 2013 14: 15
            Quote: smile
            You can take my word for it - none of the visitors, except you, noticed that the photograph is "Kyrgyz", as you put it .. well, we don't see much difference in appearance .....

            No, the photo of the eyes cut, not everyone will only write comments on this subject. When he served, we had both Kyrgyz and Tajiks. Those who did not see them did not communicate with them, maybe they do not distinguish between them. And those who are familiar with them will never confuse.
            1. +4
              April 27 2013 14: 23
              Mihaylo Tishayshiy
              Maybe you're right. I do not distinguish. I don’t care about their nationality - it matters to me what they think, say and do ... just as I don’t care about the picture stuck to the text - the text is important. Correcting the authors about the wrong picture is quite correct. But to start a bagpipe on this basis, and even to be insultingly insulted ..... this is only for people with impaired, swollen and carefully cherished nationalism ...
        4. Marek Rozny
          +6
          April 28 2013 12: 10
          In the photo are Kyrgyz. And at home in Kyrgyzstan. The picture here is absolutely off topic.

          Z.Y. And these same people are outraged when the Americans show the Greek pogroms, posing as events in Moscow ...
        5. Land
          -1
          April 28 2013 13: 35
          In the photo, your fellow countryman depicts something that should not have been portrayed, and you are "insulted" by the fact that the moderator posted this photo. No logic in your note
          1. Marek Rozny
            +1
            April 28 2013 14: 11
            In the photo, the Kyrgyz shows a gesture to his government. why should it offend me?

            ps I am Kazakh.
      2. +19
        April 27 2013 09: 20
        This is ridiculous! They even have a visa regime with Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, and they’re like that to us! It’s high time to block this exuberant river of immigration!
      3. +5
        April 27 2013 09: 22
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        A strict visa regime with them should not be introduced tomorrow, but yesterday and the border should be guarded as in the USSR with capitalist states.

        it won’t give anything, they will buy visas, and it is completely impossible to completely block the state border in the south, by the way, during the Union, only in films the entire border is blocked by barbed wire and border guards with angry dogs ran around the perimeter. and smugglers went to Turkey, and with China and Mongolia, far from all the taiga was blocked and to the finals as well
        1. -19
          April 27 2013 09: 27
          Oh Vova hello wink Long time no see.. laughing How's the trash ?! !! We look forward to your new opus ... well, with photos and drawings of course ...
          hi
          1. +7
            April 27 2013 09: 33
            Quote: Alibekulu
            How's the trash ?! !!

            What trash do you want to bring out laughing
            1. -11
              April 27 2013 09: 44
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              What trash do you want to bring out


              Take out your garbage yourself .. wink
              Here is your srach fellow
              1. +4
                April 27 2013 09: 55
                Quote: Alibekulu
                Take out your garbage yourself

                And, it’s just wandering around in containers, well, please, we don’t feel sorry for such kindness.
                Quote: Alibekulu
                Here is your srach

                Yeah, especially after the mounds of Bairam and the like.
            2. 0
              April 27 2013 09: 58
              No, he wants to start it, he can see it in a clean place.
              1. Rustiger
                +3
                April 27 2013 10: 33
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                No, he wants to start it, he can see it in a clean place.

                The mere fact of the presence of such in Russia is perceived by the majority of the population as the presence of GARBAGE!
                And they need a place not as clean (this simply contradicts their "national order"), but more as "grain / fish / meat / forest / gas / oil, etc."

                I know what I'm saying! I have been closely "cooperating" with such a contingent for 8 years already.
                Tomorrow I will take two to my country house - uproot maples and dig a foundation under the arbor.
                1. +5
                  April 27 2013 10: 46
                  Quote: Rustiger
                  The mere fact of the presence of such in Russia is perceived by the majority of the population as the presence of GARBAGE!

                  Subbotnik need to conduct an unscheduled wink
                2. -3
                  April 27 2013 12: 19
                  Quote: Rustiger
                  I know what I'm saying! I have been closely "cooperating" with such a contingent for 8 years already.
                  Tomorrow I will take two to my country house - uproot maples and dig a foundation under the arbor.

                  Here in this phrase you are all laughing
                  Here Alexander Romanov writes:
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Suitcase, station, to the hut

                  You support him fiercely, while:
                  I have been closely "cooperating" with such a contingent for 8 years already.
                  Tomorrow I will take two to my country house - uproot maples and dig a foundation under the arbor.

                  That's why you work with them angry??
                  Why don't you them Suitcase, train station, to the hut ??? !!
                  Moreover, you use their services belay
                  You can not find Russian request so that they earn money, feed their children, pay taxes ... and in the end ... they will not litter, unlike this "contingent" .. stop
                  Here is a video of the topic:

                  You already decide ... the window sill flush he should stick out ??
                  Or a suitcase, station, Tajikistan
                  Or "COOPERATION"? !!! request
      4. NKVD
        +6
        April 27 2013 09: 23
        ... the purpose of which is to humiliate the dignity of the Tajik Republic and discredit its authority.
        What dignity can we talk about when the semi-literate population of the country is gastarbarit abroad for pennies in black jobs ...
        1. Marek Rozny
          +2
          April 28 2013 13: 32
          And how many millions of Russians have left in 20 years to work in "black jobs" and simply in the criminal sphere in Europe, the United Arab Emirates, the United States? There are much more ethnic Russian "Ravshans and Dzhamshuts" over the hill than all Tajiks in Tajikistan. You will find a bunch of ethnic Russian prostitutes (namely, Russian, not Ukrainian or Georgian) even in Seoul on Itaewon Avenue in five minutes. Tell them that Russia has a much higher dignity than Tajikistan. "Natasha" will laugh at this with her friend from Uzbekistan.
          All of us (the republics of the ex-USSR) wallow in poop and, for the amusement of neighbors, tries to seem cleaner than it really is, "I only have a jacket in the feces, and you also have holey socks."
      5. +24
        April 27 2013 10: 58
        We judge without unnecessary emotions and hatred.
        1. The percentage of offenders among the diaspora representatives - put "-".
        2. The percentage of carriers of infections (tuberculosis, hepatitis, meningitis, etc.) - put "-".
        3. The percentage of participants in drug trafficking - put "-".
        3. The percentage of qualified personnel - put "-".
        4. Explicit labor dumping (the reason for the decline in wages in the labor market) - leave "-".
        5. Plugging holes in the niche of unpopular professions - put "+", but weak, tk. with a prolonged deficit, wages in this sector would have grown.
        6. Introduce cultural diversity, maybe for "tolerasts" and a plus, for me it is "-".
        You can go on and on, but "pluses" will not be added.
        This is a message to those in power for making the right decisions in the field of migration legislation. I think many will support him.
        1. +6
          April 27 2013 12: 09
          Quote: zart_arn
          This is a message to those in power for making the right decisions in the field of migration legislation.

          The absolute majority of the population will support, but almost the entire population, except those in power. Thus, the thirst for profit is frozen. am
      6. +10
        April 27 2013 12: 29
        guest workers are a feeder for hucksters. politicians and crime.
        1. RUSSIA 2013
          +8
          April 27 2013 14: 53
          you are right, we don’t have work in small cities, we can build simple Russian peasants ourselves, work normally, but they don’t give us. The question is why, because it’s more profitable to do something less than us, here’s the politician.
      7. +2
        April 27 2013 15: 46
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        An interesting picture. Directly in oil. Not the Russians to them, but they are an avalanche rod and dictate the rules of the game. A strict visa regime with them should not be introduced tomorrow, but yesterday and the border should be guarded as in the USSR with capitalist states. With the same Afghanistan. Break the direct train to the Tajik border, from the Russian border. From wagon to wagon through tight border, sanitary and customs controls. It is easy to apply if the authorities are interested in this. So far, it seems the opposite. Someone benefits from this mess on the border.

        "Slaves" are carried. Our dealers need free labor.
      8. Warrawar
        -1
        April 27 2013 17: 19
        It’s time to block the chaos that is happening on the border! But for some reason, the authorities are not moving about this; Putin has only been threatening to enter foreign passports since 2015, which in turn will not solve the problem in any way.
        Central Asia has an exceptionally tough visa regime!
      9. Zen
        Zen
        +1
        April 27 2013 20: 05
        It is not necessary to introduce visa regimes with the countries of Central Asia, but to unite in one state under the leadership of Russia!
        And hang their kings on the pillars! The people of Central Asia are waiting for this.
        I am sure if we reunite again and no Uzbeks, Tajiks or Kirghiz want to live in Russia
        Under the Union, life in Tashkent was no worse than in Moscow !!!
        I want to go back to the USSR !!!!
    2. +15
      April 27 2013 08: 28
      1. It is NOT JUST THAT raise the topic of Tajikistan on TV and the press, which means installation has been given.
      2. Apparently, there is an opinion that after the elections, technologists from the United States are preparing another "democratic" revolution.
      3. You may have to withdraw 201 base. To Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan.
      4. Without 201 bases, the state of Tajikistan will cease to exist, as it will not resist the Afghans.
      1. Heccrbq
        +6
        April 27 2013 08: 45
        It is much more effective to close the border and introduce strict control (visa anti-drug), shake these trains like sticky, otherwise the presence of this base makes us too inferior to our "brothers" in the USSR (although they were never brothers, Russian rot was always and everywhere). maybe Rakhmon will think about how to retain power without Russian bayonets, maybe he will do something for his citizens inside the country.
        1. +13
          April 27 2013 09: 05
          humiliation of the dignity of the Tajik Republic and the discrediting of its authority.
          Doesn't that sound funny!
          1. Alexander
            +2
            April 27 2013 09: 18
            I feel that p *** a will come to Tajikistan.
            1. +1
              April 27 2013 16: 17
              yeah, he will come, and when the bearded ones finish building the caliphate in Tajikistan, they will be engaged in Kazakhs and Russia, and then everything will be n ****
          2. Rustiger
            +3
            April 27 2013 09: 47
            Quote: almost demobilized
            humiliation of the dignity of the Tajik Republic and the discrediting of its authority.
            Doesn't that sound funny!

            Well, straight from the "language removed." ... ...
            Yes, the whole article is humorous.)))))))
            And how do you like it -
            Tajikistan turned out to be angry that information that I had heard about myself from Russia for a week

            After such incidents "on the carpet" in Dushanbe, Russian Ambassador Yuri Popov was summoned, who was handed a note with indignation about the political "arbitrariness" on the part of Russia towards Tajikistan.

            To demonstrate their readiness to deliver a peculiar retaliatory strike, in Tajikistan they decided to get rid of information plates and advertisements more actively, primarily in Russian.

            Etc. . . . laughing

            I would suggest that this, or similar, articles be "voiced" by the Petrosyans, Zhvans and Khazans. From the telovizer. ... ... The audience would lie under the chairs laughing
        2. +1
          April 27 2013 09: 55
          Excuse me, who is stopping now?
          The FMS knows how much has arrived, they must be registered, it just doesn’t do it because it’s beneficial to someone, and it’s not easy and easy to figure out inaccessibility in their environment. the introduction of a visa regime will not unfortunately change anything
          1. +5
            April 27 2013 12: 03
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            The FMS knows how much has arrived, they must be registered, it just doesn’t do it because it’s beneficial to someone, and it’s not easy and easy to figure out inaccessibility in their environment. the introduction of a visa regime will not unfortunately change anything


            According to the deputy head of the border service of the FSB of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Mochalov, the complexity of controlling drug trafficking is complicated by the fact that Tajik citizens can enter Russia with internal passports. National documents of Tajik citizens do not have a sufficient level of security and are not read by Russian automatic control systems, explained V.Mochalov.
            On the eve of D. Rogozin said that already in 2013. people who come to Russia from the CIS will be required to have a passport with them when crossing the border. In his opinion, it is necessary to stop entering the Russian Federation on documents that are not subject to identification. First of all, this concerns railway communication with Tajikistan.





            1. -1
              April 27 2013 14: 36
              Quote: Ascetic

              According to the deputy head of the border service of the FSB of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Mochalov, the complexity of controlling drug trafficking is complicated by the fact that Tajik citizens can enter Russia with internal passports. National documents of Tajik citizens do not have a sufficient level of security and are not read by Russian automatic control systems, explained V. Mochalov.

              Yes, a hedgehog it’s clear that they are the most difficult in the FMS
              when crossing the state border of the Russian Federation, border guards register everyone (we are talking about those who cross the border officially, everyone fills out a card that the border guards stamp, then with enta paper you go to your place of residence and register there in due time, or you don’t register and become illegal.
              do you have a passport or not, but have an internal passport.
            2. AndreyAB
              0
              April 27 2013 18: 20
              We are waiting for when it will be one hundred percent, when it will be late - then the triumph of democracy and Russia will no longer be - thanks to the democratic Duma of the legislative Russia, the most evil thought in the world (with regards to its own people).
      2. +7
        April 27 2013 09: 41
        Quote: Civil
        . It is NOT JUST THUS raise the topic of Tajikistan on TV and the press, which means installation has been given.


        A situation similar to that of the overthrow of Bakiev in Kyrgyzstan is clearly being drawn. Recall that just before this 1 of April, Russia greatly increased duties on the export of gasoline to Kyrgyzstan, which led to a sharp rise in price in Kyrgyzstan and hit very simple Kyrgyz families.
        And just a few days later, this led to bloody unrest, which eventually forced Bakiyev to flee the capital.
        And in Tajikistan, elections are coming soon ...
        In fact, Moscow neatly poses a veiled ultimatum to Dushanbe .. (Fortunately, Bakiev’s example is before his eyes) ...
        1. tm70-71
          +4
          April 27 2013 10: 17
          You say the truth dear, it will be so. State officials will ... for their own people and the stranger. The duller the water, the better it is to catch a fish.
        2. +4
          April 27 2013 14: 01
          Alibekulu
          Here you are probably right ... but the thing is, Moscow is forced to do this ... forced precisely by the position of the Tajik authorities, who are trying to get on the heels and don’t rip off her ass ... so that all responsibility for worsening the life of the people lies entirely on the shoulders of their national elite ... and Moscow is doing this neatly and after many years of trying to establish allied relations ... unfortunately, it doesn’t even reach them that the days of unilateral grants and preferences are gone ... and tolerate ambivalent politics and anti-Russian actions inside their country no one will tolerate more ... do you think that we are obliged to do otherwise?
          1. +3
            April 27 2013 15: 09
            smile
            , I honestly wrote - a tree ... :))) who added the letter "t"? Robot? :)))) funny error happened ...
    3. Kazakh number 1
      +6
      April 27 2013 10: 42
      And what's wrong with that, here, in the south of Kazakhstan, Uzbeks work in gardens and fields (Tajiks somehow did not take root) and nothing. There is an anecdote in the subject. Nazarbayev came to Uzbekistan to Karimov. Karimov takes Nazarbayev around Tashkent and tells him "We have a Daewoo car in the yard of every Uzbek" to which Nazarbayev replies "and ten Uzbeks work in the yard of each Kazakh." What is there to talk about. If theirs do not want to work, then others will do it. Isn't that right?
      1. djon3volta
        -2
        April 27 2013 11: 30
        look and listen, what is the right song. Everything is honest in it in verses and choruses, no lies! Tolibjon Kurbankhanov from Tajikistan dedicated his song GDP to Vladimir Putin.

        1. +4
          April 27 2013 12: 18
          Quote: djon3volta
          Tolibjon Kurbankhanov from Tajikistan dedicated his song GDP to Vladimir Putin.

          Yes, Eugene, you have some kind of musical predilections. Be treated with electricity. laughing
        2. 0
          April 27 2013 15: 22
          What the fuck is this ?! Chock forgot to insert words such as the wisest, the light of life, the center of the universe, the refuge of peace and wisdom into the song. Some sort of vomit, it would be better to howl about his bais.
          1. 0
            April 27 2013 19: 29
            For us, a complete shnyaga, for Akbarovites - the light of life. For them, he is now a gracious buy! am
        3. +3
          April 27 2013 16: 23
          in the pestne there are also correct words from 1.54 "Russia has become a stable country,unworthy began to break into power"
      2. 0
        April 27 2013 14: 03
        Kazakh number 1
        I didn’t know ... but the Uzbeks probably won’t like the joke ..... but there are no conflicts?
    4. 0
      April 27 2013 11: 56
      The fact that it is time to introduce a visa regime with the countries of Central Asia, I think, is clear to many. But why is it not introduced? And just another: "blah blah blah" That is the question.
    5. Maximus
      0
      April 27 2013 14: 59
      This is a matter of geopolitics, our interests are in the background
    6. +1
      April 27 2013 15: 43
      Our men because of Tatzhiks and Uzbeks lost their earnings.! There is no work on the construction sites - they are everywhere! They get a penny and are satisfied. It came to a funny point: they brought them to the village of cows to milk! ours demanded a salary-drove them paid 2500 and they were satisfied. I didn’t say they were stealing the norm. Cover the border and let them live as they want.
      1. Marek Rozny
        0
        April 29 2013 01: 15
        Here you are strange people ... In Kazakhstan, they believe that Kazakhstanis should not work in low-paid, low-skilled jobs, that these niches should be given to foreign guest workers, and Kazakhstanis themselves should have education and work that requires advanced training. What for spray their people on milking cows, plastering walls and sweeping streets? Let the neighbors do this in my country. Among the guests there are few who make their way to the level of an average manager (I generally keep silent about budgetary and state posts - this sphere is, of course, closed to them). And if anyone wants to make their way, he gets citizenship - we need active, adequate juices from other nations that will benefit our country. Kazakhstan is now actively luring not only ethnic Kazakhs, but also non-Kazakhs - athletes and scientists (with instant citizenship). Sport and science are those areas that we want to get a return on now while our own school is being created. Other gastes - welcome to low-skilled work. Release Kazakhstanis from this occupation. Kazakhstanis should manage and earn money, not sweeping yards.
        Well, if the Russians are going to fight to the death for the right to work as janitors and laborers, then this is an indicator of the education and ambitions of local residents. A person with a specialized education will not go to such a job.
        Close the border if you so want to take the place of ravshan and jamshut. Let them come here. We'll find work for them. We have a shortage of workers (although we have more ghasts per capita than in Russia). And no Kazakh would even think to be afraid of a guest worker, and would not allow anyone to sit on his neck. It would never even enter my head that a Tajik or a Moldovan can enslave the Kazakhs, even if they are the majority. Such "occupants" in KZ are screwed up instantly, and not in the internet they dissolve snot, as a result, our migrants are absolutely loyal and practically law-abiding. And among them there are many adequate and interesting people. If in Russia all Russians have already intimidated each other with Caucasians, then in our KZ, Caucasians are practically an example of cultural behavior))) No complaints about Chechens, Daghs. As well as Kurds, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Tajiks and others. Claims usually arise only against Russian chauvinists, but thank God, the overwhelming majority of them fled from KZ. 3/4 of the Slavs remained, who conscientiously work for their personal benefit and for the benefit of society and the state. There are among them, but not more than among ethnic Kazakhs. Moreover, Kazakhs are convinced that Russian Kazakhs are "the best and most real Russians." The next generation of Kazakh Slavs would have mastered the language (without losing their native language and culture), then in general there will be beauty. And given that our Russians are mostly smart, I have no doubt that they will master the language at the highest level.
        And there you butt with Tajiks and Uzbeks for the right to milk cows. I also know how to milk, but I'm not going to earn a living with this.
    7. +1
      April 27 2013 18: 39
      Quote: denisey
      expulsion of illegal immigrants and the introduction of a visa regime.

      How, you have not heard that from 2015 it will be so with all the former republics of the USSR. The exception will be the member countries of the CU. Incidentally, the introduction of a visa regime requires Russia and the European Union. To the limit to reduce the number of illegal immigrants on their territory entering from Russia. After that, they are ready to discuss visa-free entry of Russians into the EU.
    8. beech
      0
      April 27 2013 19: 28
      Well, we went to the fix from our country ... to send all these chocks from Russia, let them look for work at home !!! after a month they will calm down, and after a month they will crawl on their knees !!
    9. 0
      April 27 2013 20: 39
      This is a good idea! But who will work on construction sites, clean the streets of our cities, work in factories in low-profile professions, work in waste processing plants? Working as a janitor for us is "bad"; to work in a factory as a metal vices chopper (all eight hours with a jackhammer in a cloud of dust) - "Why am I?"; to sort through garbage (yours, not someone's) "for the bastard"? It will turn out that we are overgrown with garbage, metallurgical production in the machine-building complex will stop, and much more. Maybe let them work, but they do everything else according to the laws of Russia: they communicate in Russian, do not be rude, do not bring drugs and do not use themselves, do not rape or rob, do not slaughter sheep on the Eid al-Adha holiday in the middle of our cities. And perhaps most importantly, the leaderships of the countries act meaningfully, and not like a boy "hochukha". I want this, I want this, and you do everything for me, and somehow I will do it later, maybe what you want from me. With such a conversation is needed such as in the famous book by Ilf and Petrov: "Money in the morning, chairs in the evening!", But if you don't want to be nice, we will impose sanctions: we will check at the entrance for drugs, illnesses, criminal history, but at least for knowledge of the Russian language. Based on this (and this will be legal), we will send half home, which means that they will not be able to feed their families, which means they will think: “Why do we need a President who cannot come to an agreement with Russia. re-elected "It will not work through elections (its own specificity of elections, although we have not gone far), let's hang him upside down in the central square!" And all the next will be with Russia will definitely conduct the correct policy. That's for sure!
      1. +2
        April 27 2013 21: 53
        Quote: starshina78
        . Maybe they work, but they do the rest according to the laws of Russia: they communicate in Russian, do not be rude, do not bring drugs and do not use them themselves, do not force and do not rob, do not cut sheep for the Eid al-Adha holiday in the middle of our cities.
        Do you have a recipe for how to do all this? hi
      2. 0
        April 28 2013 16: 55
        Quote: starshina78
        maybe they work, but they do the rest according to the laws

        I would like to draw your attention to the fact that it is not Tajiks or Uzbeks who are demanded to be expelled from Russia, but illegal immigrants;
    10. +1
      April 28 2013 13: 03
      ... And in addition to apply an economic move. Instead of dragging crowds of migrants to Russia, we should insist on preferences for Russian business, allowing them to open production in the republics of Central Asia. So the Asian khans will have employment + taxes to local budgets. And Russia will get rid of the flow of migrants (and, consequently, the elimination of many ethnopolitical threats associated with this), as well as the creation of prerequisites for the peaceful and natural integration of the former Soviet republics into the economic space of Russia ... The revival of the USSR at a new level!
    11. Land
      0
      April 28 2013 13: 04
      Respect!
    12. +1
      April 28 2013 22: 40
      NEED TO BE STRONG!
    13. dentitov
      0
      April 30 2013 23: 54
      Well, then anyone will force us if we behave like cheap things. If we are not masters of our land, others will come and cleanse us. Does history not teach this?
    14. Thor
      0
      2 May 2013 02: 24
      It's time to introduce a visa regime for Tajikistan or even close the border for Tajik trains
  2. +31
    April 27 2013 07: 35
    V. Zhirinovsky voiced what others are embarrassed to say. And rightly so, there is nothing to lisp.
    1. +18
      April 27 2013 07: 38
      Quote: Alex Nick
      V. Zhirinovsky voiced what others are embarrassed to say

      In this case, it’s difficult to argue with the Zhirik. Yes.
      the purpose of which is to humiliate the dignity of the Tajik Republic and to discredit its authority.
      Here is the most relish laughing Tajik politicians have dignity, and Tajikistan has authority wassat His mother’s foot is like they wondered what their crowd would tear to rags laughing
      1. +4
        April 27 2013 07: 42
        Sanya, hello. It will be so in reality.
        1. +5
          April 27 2013 08: 03
          Quote: Alex Nick
          It will be so in reality.

          Well, great, any power that will replace the current bail, the first thing will rush to bow to the Kremlin and sign everything that is required. Hussing is over!
          Hi Sasha hi
          1. +1
            April 27 2013 11: 53
            Well, if so.
            That's just if the Syrian scenario did not work out.
  3. +12
    April 27 2013 07: 35
    To demonstrate their readiness to deliver a peculiar retaliatory strike, in Tajikistan they decided to get rid of information plates and advertisements more actively, primarily in Russian.

    But Rakhmonov thought, how will Tajik guest workers now learn the Russian alphabet?

    The State Duma obliged guest workers to take an exam in the Russian language.

    http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/359197/#ixzz2RdCFtQur


    PS
    I hope the following news will be like this:
    "In response, Russia has decided to get rid of the speakers of Tajik Farsi more actively."
  4. Reasonable, 2,3
    +12
    April 27 2013 07: 39
    Every morning, and not only morning, even now: from the cars, Azeri music — for the whole, janitors below — only in Takzhik style, yesterday watched as an Armenian crashed into the Russian lantern, for what he did not give way to him ?! are we rolling? This is Moscow.
    1. Heccrbq
      +13
      April 27 2013 08: 50
      Have you completely turned into absent-minded people when you become a Russian? Stop drinking alcohol, start playing sports, first I recommend finding in YouTube --- Level 1 chest exercise. When you start doing level 2, you’ll turn the block of wood on the roof of the car.
    2. awerkiev
      +12
      April 27 2013 09: 31
      Well, why are you seeing how they beat the Russian did not defend him !? Here you have Moscow ...
      1. Reasonable, 2,3
        0
        April 28 2013 00: 55
        I am now on crutches, even if I wanted to, I still would not be able to do anything. And the "lantern" is the rear headlight of the car.
    3. +5
      April 27 2013 10: 02
      Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
      , yesterday I watched as an Armenian crashed into a Russian lantern, for that he did not give way to him?!. Where the hell are we going?

      we’ve already rolled up, we are standing and watching our neighbor being beaten, we’ll also remove it on a mobile phone for fun, so that we can post it in nete.
      at least hesitate to write about it, he’s not ashamed of himself, as well as those who put pluses for this ?!
      1. +8
        April 27 2013 10: 37
        So, for this reason, they don’t consider Moscow almost everywhere, beyond the ring road ... unfortunately this is so - life in Russia almost does not intersect with life in Moscow, we live in different dimensions ...
        1. +1
          April 27 2013 21: 54
          Quote: Andrey57
          is - life in Russia almost does not intersect with life in Moscow, we live in different dimensions ...

          good good good
          1. Rustiger
            +1
            April 27 2013 22: 47
            And here I am too good
            Just for the words "life in Russia almost does not intersect with life in Moscow, we live in different dimensions"
            90 percent of the population of Russia think so. . .
        2. Rustiger
          +1
          April 27 2013 22: 55
          Quote: Andrey57
          Moscow is not considered Russia almost everywhere, beyond the ring road

          Andryukh, aren't you from "a small seedy town in provincial Russia"?
          I myself am from this, but now I live in a "millionaire".
          Let's keep what Maskvabad has lost and so save!
          Shukshin - OUR writer.
          / Vadim /
    4. Focuser
      0
      April 27 2013 13: 40
      Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
      Yesterday I watched as an Armenian crashed into the Russian lantern, for the fact that he had not given way to him

      and what is Russian in response?
      1. 0
        April 27 2013 15: 02
        THE QUESTION IS DELIVERED WRONG, but what is the answer to all the Russians who saw this?
        1. Focuser
          +4
          April 27 2013 15: 36
          I bet ... First of all, HE had to get out of the car and answer. And if people are already joining from that side, then it’s worth asking, what did the other Russians do when they saw this?
          It’s purely my opinion that the Russians differ in that they don’t have one when one of them conflicts with a certain person and the rest of the Russians immediately come running and start to press one all. There is some sense of justice, or something .. Which tells you that you should not intervene while one and one are sorted out, but when several are missing one, then you need help.
          1. 0
            April 27 2013 19: 13
            no, just the problem is exactly what I wrote about, for the most part the Russian will not help the neighbor, but it’s also bad, the neighbor will not be killed
      2. Reasonable, 2,3
        0
        April 28 2013 00: 59
        He didn’t get out of the car and left, he did the right thing, why bother with macaques
    5. +2
      April 27 2013 19: 33
      Moscow is not Kondopoga for you. Tolerance drives.
    6. +4
      April 27 2013 21: 33
      Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
      fuck we roll
      - exactly there.
      But when one Russian ceases to calmly watch another Russian being beaten with him, then we will stop if it is not too late.
  5. +5
    April 27 2013 07: 43
    Onishchenko more and more respect! His principle and persistence would be yes to our politicians and leaders!
    1. Rustiger
      +1
      April 27 2013 23: 05
      Quote: treskoed
      Onishchenko more and more respect! His principle and persistence would be yes to our politicians and leaders!

      Uncle Genya Onishchenko (or his department) effortlessly "works" whole states (puts on the 5th point) without any "agreements at the highest level." More effective than any warheads against "young democracies under the influence of the Kremlin." ... ...
  6. +6
    April 27 2013 07: 45
    Yes, all this mess in a train transporting everything that is possible and basically that is impossible, must be stopped. Together with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, they don’t want to, unilaterally, but they must stop, or they’ll even sit on their heads if they don’t already sit.
  7. +26
    April 27 2013 07: 48
    No matter how this happens
    1. +1
      April 27 2013 08: 38
      Quote: Alex Nick
      No matter how this happens
    2. +5
      April 27 2013 08: 45
      Quote: Alex Nick
      No matter how this happens
    3. +7
      April 27 2013 08: 47
      To prevent this from happening, you must first give birth. Protect children from all sorts of maniacs, etc.
      1. +25
        April 27 2013 09: 26
        Our women give birth more and more for themselves without fathers, raise boys and educate Tsiskaridze or Bilanov in them. My wife tried to resist that the senior is engaged in boxing, so we quietly ignored her and already went to the competition today. There, the younger and the older ones are slowly troubling. I run around twice a week because of my sons so that I can set an example even though 42.
        I teach children that a family should have at least two children.
        Only in this way will we save Russia.
        By the way, we born to the USSR are more tolerant, children grow up and already hate that behavior of the guests, so in vain they make their own misfortunes in Russia.
        1. +5
          April 27 2013 09: 52
          MREF
          Totally agree with you
          And it is necessary, by our own example, and not raising a universal howl about visitors ..
          Your country, so be responsible for it ..
          Quote: mhpv
          we are more tolerant born in the family of the USSR

          With this, I also agree - he’s like that ..
          And, by the way, we too (in Kazakhstan) are growing a generation for which both the USSR and Russia no longer have the significance that existed before ..
        2. tm70-71
          +12
          April 27 2013 10: 01
          The hammer, first of all, you need to start with yourself, with your family, what is happening in Russia, partly the locals themselves are to blame, the guest should behave like a guest, your troubles are 90% from your officials. And as for my countrymen, I agree that they do not always behave appropriately, well, not the best representatives go, in 20 years a new generation has grown up who do not know the word order.
    4. Radoslav
      +2
      April 27 2013 21: 42
      Russian men, you need to stop drinking, smoke, and start to fuck all that moves and then this will not happen
      1. Rustiger
        0
        April 27 2013 23: 07
        "plus" set.
        I will ask - "Rodnover" - ???????????
  8. +8
    April 27 2013 07: 54
    Dap on it is necessary to sell bunches of greens and plaster meters to earn? There is no drain in Russia, and there is no way to eat greens in such volumes ... there is only one drug left, the last mile of Afghan drug trafficking is Tajik ... Kyrgyz and other gastric or migrant.
  9. Belo_ticketnik
    +1
    April 27 2013 07: 57
    Chock in the country is not allowed !!!!!!!!!! URAAAAA.

    That's just the janitors, cleaners, loaders, the guys do not want to work ...

    Order needs to be put in place ... iron. And so let them work.
    1. +6
      April 27 2013 08: 12
      Quote: Belo_biletnik
      That's just the janitors, cleaners, loaders, the guys do not want to work.

      According to the statement, they get a lot more, no one will give them a housing and communal services feeder. And so in any field. They want to work, but ours are not allowed to ours.
      1. Belo_ticketnik
        +5
        April 27 2013 08: 16
        Quote: regin
        According to the statement, they get a lot more, no one will give them a housing and communal services feeder. And so in any field. They want to work, but ours are not allowed to ours.

        I think the visiting Indians get there a little, the leaders put the difference in their pocket.
    2. GEO
      GEO
      +12
      April 27 2013 08: 14
      Nothing like this!!! It's just that Gaster is not paid the whole salary, but ours needs to pay the whole. There is a salary in Moscow and St. Petersburg somewhere under 20 sput, why not put an hour 2 in the early morning? No need to make Russian general drunkards! Take a look at our story.
      Gaster - nah !!!
      1. lubin
        +2
        April 27 2013 10: 15
        Plus the janitor was supposed to have official housing. 20t.r. + housing, from nonresident students there would be no end to it. hi
      2. +6
        April 27 2013 12: 24
        Quote: GEO
        There is a salary in Moscow and St. Petersburg somewhere under 20 sput, why not put an hour 2 in the early morning? No need to make Russian general drunkards! Take a look at our story.
        Gaster - nah !!!


        Read the job offers as a janitor in Moscow. Here are some examples

        Janitor
        Salary: from 32000 to 40000 rub.
        Requirements: Russian citizens age of years, work schedule in winter 1/2, in warm time 5/2. ЗП from 32 000 r. Requirements: Russian citizens, age, work schedule ...

        Janitor
        Salary: from 30000 rubles
        Invited to a permanent job. Schedule 6x1, from 6.30 to 19. m. Okhotny Ryad. Citizenship of the Russian Federation, (Slavic appearance).

        Janitor
        Salary: from 15000 rubles
        Invited to a permanent job. Schedule 5x2, from 8 to 17. Citizenship of the Russian Federation, CIS (work permit.). m.Taganskaya.
        Janitor
        Salary: from 19000 rubles
        Invited to a permanent job. Schedule 19 to 7. Citizenship of the Russian Federation, CIS (work permit.). m.Belorusskaya.

        Specifically highlighted the requirements for citizenship ... Draw conclusions.
        1. Marek Rozny
          +1
          22 May 2013 03: 08
          Quote: Ascetic
          (Slavic appearance).

          In Kazakhstan, by the way, it is forbidden to categorically write such announcements. This is purely ethnic discrimination.

          By the way, I looked at ads about janitors in Astana. Not a single mention of citizenship. The fewer janitors among Kazakhstanis, the better for the nation. Even if they pay well there. A Kazakh should work his head, and not make monotonous movements of his hands as a servant. All work is a worthy occupation, but there are professions that we can easily give to foreigners, freeing our citizens for more qualified and paid work.

          In Kazakhstan, state ideology officially says that Kazakhstan should become a competitive nation. The state considers it its duty to ensure that Kazakhstani personnel are highly valued in the world market, having high professional qualifications. You have the media hysteria about fighting Tajik for a broom. We have different approaches, very different.
    3. +9
      April 27 2013 09: 46
      Quote: Belo_biletnik
      That's just the janitors, cleaners, loaders, the guys do not want to work ...

      Yesterday I was driving along .... Rublevo-Uspensky highway. fellow And along the road they walked with plastic bags and collected garbage from the roadside ..... SLAVAN! Yes And very well dressed. I turned my head so that I almost drove into the ass Maybach.
      1. +5
        April 27 2013 09: 54
        They got tired of saying that without gastric people there is no one to do the rough work worthy of paying and respecting this work, and everything will be fine, if we can’t do it, let’s do it again and do it !!!
      2. +8
        April 27 2013 12: 28
        Quote: Normal
        And very well dressed. I turned my head so that I almost drove into the ass Maybach.


        Vladimir, welcome! it is the local oligarchs who went to the "subbotnik". Why yesterday? Because you can't work on Saturday ... Shabbat
      3. 0
        April 30 2013 13: 31
        I also saw more than once, especially in the field of landscaping.
  10. Belo_ticketnik
    +10
    April 27 2013 08: 02
    And so funny MIGHTY TAJIKISTON NEGADUE. Already scary bully
  11. +11
    April 27 2013 08: 03
    Close the entrance to all Tajiks and see how they sing then, it’s awesome to listen to every pug already need to bark at Russia in the west to them there that they are giving out gingerbread cookies for that once they weigh a good pendal to these mongrel, they will immediately remember how the owner socks smell !!! am
  12. -1
    April 27 2013 08: 04
    workers in Russia are needed .. let them come .. but at the end of the term you need to be checked out .. also applies to women who gave birth here. gave birth, okay, this is a citizen of Russia .. but how does the mother end up staying out of pendals? and leave the place no earlier than in a year .. you can leave the litter and skate off yourself .. then I think many will go home to give birth
    1. cyclist
      +7
      April 27 2013 08: 15
      no need to import anyone, drive them to the mane from here! Because of them and high corruption, huge problems in the country !!
    2. +14
      April 27 2013 08: 16
      Quote: arkgrz
      gave birth, okay, this is a citizen of Russia ..

      You are mistaken, not even a citizen at all. So, together with my mother in my native village.
    3. +2
      April 27 2013 10: 48
      It’s not at all like giving birth on the territory of Russia does not mean at all that the newborn is a citizen of Russia, this citizenship must also be obtained, and if the parents are not citizens of Russia, then the procedure for obtaining citizenship on a common basis.
    4. +1
      April 27 2013 12: 26
      Quote: arkgrz


      workers in Russia are needed .. let them come .. but at the end of the term you need to be checked off ..

      First of all, one should provide his work with work and pay them as it should.
  13. +7
    April 27 2013 08: 06
    The visa regime is one thing. Another thing is who hires them for work with us? Yes, our dear businessmen. As they say, nothing personal, only business.
    1. -11
      April 27 2013 08: 49
      And who will sweep the streets for pennies? Muscovite chtoli pick up a broom or spatula? Not to life.
      1. +11
        April 27 2013 09: 00
        Quote: Renat
        And who will sweep the streets for pennies? Muscovite chtoli pick up a broom or spatula? Not to life.

        This, pay fine, have not tried?
        1. RUSSIA 2013
          +3
          April 27 2013 15: 16
          here, here, our men, for 7000-8000t. will last a month, and for many families. You just need to pay normally, we will sweep the streets ourselves, and we can work normally ourselves, without any help from outside.
      2. +6
        April 27 2013 09: 01
        Quote: Renat
        And who will sweep the streets for pennies?

        Purely not where they clean, but where they do not litter.
        1. +1
          April 27 2013 09: 07
          Snow, dust, leaf fall ...
          1. 0
            April 27 2013 09: 17
            Quote: perepilka
            Snow, dust, leaf fall ...

            It is what it is....
          2. +2
            April 27 2013 12: 31
            Quote: perepilka
            Snow, dust, leaf fall ...

            During snowfalls, our hard workers carried snow to the center of Moscow to clean it. There were MOEK, Mos Vodokanal, Mos Energy, etc. Tens of thousands drove.
      3. UFO
        +1
        April 27 2013 10: 28
        Have you ever seen ordinary Muscovites? If only in "Comedy Club" or "House-2", tady oh. negative
  14. GEO
    GEO
    +9
    April 27 2013 08: 07
    Fuck all the gaster. Remember what these cattle did with the Russians in the 90s. FUCK !!!
  15. +6
    April 27 2013 08: 07
    Atoev emphasized that, for some reason, Russia pays attention exclusively to Tajik labor migrants, although, according to him, the total number of migrant workers in the Russian Federation is about 13 million people.

    Well, you have to start with someone. There isn’t enough strength for all at once.
    Direct trains are generally banned. Or let the Russians under the control of orderlies from the FSB.
    I believe that it is necessary to declare a lottery for the entry of migrant workers of the year to 2 and during this time to clean out all illegal immigrants, and then we'll see. Most likely we will live without them.
  16. +3
    April 27 2013 08: 13
    Quote: aszzz888
    Yes, all this mess in a train transporting everything that is possible and basically that is impossible, must be stopped.

    It was necessary to stop this 10-12 years ago. Someone's eyes have opened, illegal immigrants are bringing drugs from Tajikistan. What a horror! I don’t know how it is now at Russian Railways, but some time ago our glorious line police did not even enter the vestibule of the Dushanbe-Moscow and Baku trains. ". What control and accounting, what sanitary standards, they knocked out the glasses so as not to suffocate. Yes, even to shake the "Russian" train Vladikavkaz-Moscow, it took a "strong-willed decision" at the "federal level." Apparently someone in Moscow built a couple of their hydrolysis plants.
  17. +11
    April 27 2013 08: 15
    Look, the Tajiks are offended! And what exactly did Onishchenko demand from them? If their trains were to go to Europe, would they not have been given the seemingly unsanitary condition of the wagons and checked that they were being transported? What grievances can be? And if all Tajiks go legally on foreign passports, then where do illegal immigrants come from? And the fact that the heads of the East states of the former USSR do not fulfill agreements unilaterally with Russia is all the time. And without the Russian language, they generally HANA!
  18. +24
    April 27 2013 08: 15
    Yes ...... very sorry for illegal immigrants who go to Russia to earn money, very ..... as mentioned above ... this the only way to feed a family, etc ............Only we, in Russia, began to forget about the beginning of the 90s, the period of the collapse of the Union, .............. when these workers, with the permission of thousands of crowds, shouted about the Russian invaders, about how they drove out without only thousands of our families from their homes, about humiliation, etc .............Wanted freedom? - get and don’t have to play democracy with them ...... I don’t feel sorry for any of them and that’s all ... and no one will convince me, I still remember how my friends from Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan fleeing having abandoned apartments and cars .. ................ Let us not be more noble towards all these freedom-loving peoples ...
    1. +15
      April 27 2013 08: 27
      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
      Yes ...... very sorry for illegal immigrants who go to Russia to earn money, very .....

      Ready to cry, but in my house I do not need them. I'm sorry in the distance.
    2. GEO
      GEO
      +1
      April 27 2013 09: 38
      + 100500 !!!!!
    3. -6
      April 27 2013 10: 01
      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
      I don’t feel sorry for any of them and that’s all ... and no one will convince me, I still remember how my friends from Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan fleeing dropping apartments, cars


      I will not say for Azerbaijan, but about Kazakhstan (in most cases) utter nonsense laughing To everyone, Russians, Russians and "fugitives" from Kazakhstan .. I will tell you, when you talk about "GenoCiD", this is how you SHAME YOURSELF .. am

      About abandoned apartments, sailor, how many abandoned villages near Modmoskovye ?? !! feel
      Also Kazakhs ..
      By the way, I would ask ia-ai00that she did not run away from Kazakhstan ?? !!
      1. +10
        April 27 2013 10: 42
        Well, dear to you, to give the phone .... so that you personally call a friend, and he tells how wonderful he moved from Karaganda to Russia .... after he built what plant there and worked for it for 12 years?


        Yes, I didn’t write a word about genocide .... but besides direct massacre, there are many other ways to survive a person ... dismiss from work, defiantly not answer a question asked in Russian, spit in the back, come to a person in an apartment and say that now I’m going to live here ...... with a local policeman standing behind me and squinting slyly ..... it was all there, no need to make an offended look here ...better admit and apologize ... otherwise we only have Russians for everything that they did and did not have to apologize ...
        1. -1
          April 27 2013 12: 56
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          Well dear to give you a phone ...

          Well, why, I myself can throw you the number, you just write ..
        2. +1
          April 29 2013 10: 03
          What nonsense am I reading ?! If this happened, it was not based on nationality. The Kazakhs know - where the Russians are - there is order and justice, where the Russians - there even the local population will be protected from the lawlessness of both the authorities and others. Kazakhs respect Russians.
      2. +13
        April 27 2013 11: 00
        You can talk as much as you like about "utter nonsense from Kazakhstan", only now we have a lot of people settled after they survived from the city of Uralsk, founded and built by Russian Cossacks, and now all the monuments have been demolished all over the city and the animals have been sent to horses, but all the streets were renamed ... Probably from the "very good life" the city in which more than 90% of the population was Russian, became an unwashed aul. I am not saying this from anyone's words, I myself have been there more than once.
        1. -9
          April 27 2013 11: 46
          Quote: Andrey57
          a city in which more than 90% of the population was Russian


          Here I am about this, the Russians were in Uralsk, in your opinion, more than 90% and you get "genocide" less than 10% of Kazakhs feel
          Isn't that your "shame" ?! angry For the first time I hear that the minority would "oppress" the MAJORITY (well, except for the gays of Oyropa laughing )
          And did not try to assert the rights ??? !!! request Me, what to teach you, as in a joke ?? !! what
          Georgians married a Russian student. After the restaurant, they come home, she undresses, goes to bed and spreads her legs. And the Georgians, as I saw it:
          - Throw me these student (Russian) habits, dress and resist.
          In Kazakhstan, Russians at the time of the declaration of "independence" were the majority in all spheres !!! In addition to the police, this is the "specificity" of Kazakhs laughing
          IIIIIIIIIII ????????

          It’s easier, of course, to escape .. to escape than to take responsibility for yourself, for your family, for your homeland ..
          And then scream to the whole world about oppression negative



          1. +1
            April 27 2013 15: 01
            And did not try to assert the rights ??? !!! .... woooooooo ... what we returned to ........ now we are looking at the article again ... and we begin to understand that everything will have to ....... and in general .... admins. .. don’t you think that the comrade has already suffered far beyond the scope of a normal dispute ???
          2. -1
            April 27 2013 15: 07
            Quote: Alibekulu
            In Kazakhstan, Russians at the time of the declaration of "independence" were the majority in all spheres !!! In addition to the police, this is the "specificity" of Kazakhs laughing
            IIIIIIIIIII ????????

            It’s easier, of course, to escape .. to escape than to take responsibility for yourself, for your family, for your homeland ..
            And then scream to the whole world about the oppression of negative

            let the moderators punish me, but one question arises you ?!
            you openly write that the Kazakhs do not want to work exclusively baskarmachit.
            you openly declare that you ousted Russians from government.
            but about not "wanting", forgive you wouldn’t go to the ass, you didn’t talk to people like you until you were full, you don’t understand yet in plain text
            1. +2
              April 27 2013 16: 42
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              you openly write that the Kazakhs do not want to work exclusively baskarmachit.


              I write that the Kazakhs do not want to work ??? !!! request
              Where??? When?? I wrote this ???

              You openly declare that you ousted Russians from government.

              Where i stated belay ?? !!
              Yes you are my friend, I see that fellow (Nude, just like in that joke ... I see one thing, I think another, I say the third ...)

              would you go in the ass


              Vova, do not send people to where you yourself are fool
              They may have other tastes..
              1. 0
                April 27 2013 17: 20
                you are really stupid you first write that Russians in all spheres were the majority, now there’s not even a percentage, where did all this most have gone wrong and left the leading posts at once ?! !!!
          3. +2
            April 27 2013 17: 06
            I don’t know what the Kazakhs did to the cities where the majority of the inhabitants were Russian. I have 17 years of experience living in one of these cities, it’s Priozersk or the Saryshagan closed landfill. It was an oasis in the Betpak desert, a clean, well-groomed city on the bank of Lake Balkhash. After the Union broke up, it came under the jurisdiction of Kazakhstan. The Kazakhs did nothing and did not need to, stop by and live, maintain infrastructure and develop. So no, the city was almost destroyed, turned into ruins, like Stalingrad. And I know at least a dozen such cities that have repeated the fate of Priozersk. And you, as a representative of the Republic of Kazakhstan, are well aware of this and it would be nice to think about it before getting into silly disputes.
            1. Focuser
              +6
              April 27 2013 17: 22
              and you think before you write. Or maybe with the collapse of the USSR, this happened not only in Kazakhstan? And were there such cities in Russia, for example? Or in Ukraine? Or maybe such a fate befell the city, not because the Russian people left it, but for some other reason? etc. etc.
          4. 0
            April 30 2013 13: 45
            This is called the "dictatorship of minorities" - when the authorities side with all possible minorities and act in their interests to the detriment of the majority.
            Liberators say that now, "Democracy is when minorities feel comfortable!"
        2. 0
          April 27 2013 13: 51
          Quote: Andrey57
          You can talk as much as you like about the "utter nonsense from Kazakhstan", only here we have a lot of people settled after they survived from the city of Uralsk

          This is pointless, the opinion of eyewitnesses does not interest them, in the RK this is not, and there can be no other, even if you give a video, all one will not agree
          1. +1
            April 27 2013 16: 45
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            THIS IS NONSENSE, the opinion of eyewitnesses does not interest them


            But what about 4 million of Russians currently living in Kazakhstan ?? !!
            Their opinion (of eyewitnesses) is not of interest ??? !!!
        3. +4
          April 27 2013 22: 53
          Dear, have you even been to this very Uralsk of the early 90's? There was such a pigsty many times multiplied by architectural wretchedness, after which, for a very long time, or rather, they still put the city in order. Even the foreigners working on Karachaganak directly declare that they say that the city was built by Krivogop builders, and that the dynamics of the positive change are clearly in the face.
      3. a jacket
        0
        April 27 2013 21: 10
        Quote: Alibekulu
        I will not say for Azerbaijan, but about Kazakhstan (in most cases) utter nonsense

        It is foolish to deny the obvious. Only I know well about 20 immigrants. More or less normally left North Kazakhstan (Rudny, Kustanai) and then with tangible losses. And already from the South fled almost without anything. Before my eyes, the Kazakhs from a clogged nation suddenly turned into a very warlike one. Years over 3. Already in 91 began to establish their own orders. And at 92 their breasts were straightened with might and main. Today it may have calmed down, but recalling those times is unpleasant.
      4. 0
        April 28 2013 17: 07
        Some want to get as much for a hut in the steppe as for a residence in the center of Moscow.
    4. RUSSIA 2013
      0
      April 27 2013 15: 28
      We, ourselves, have millions without workers who will feed our families. Let them go to their place in one place, they will take their own government to feed them. And in the 90s, they wanted to persecute us. There is a Russian proverb, DO NOT PLAY IN KALODETS WHERE FROM WATER PYESH
      1. +1
        April 28 2013 21: 46
        Quote: RUSSIA 2013
        There is a Russian proverb, DO NOT PLEASE IN KALODETS, WHERE FROM WATER WATER


        You, dear, would either change your nickname, or learn Russian. And it turns out, as in the joke about the priest - "You would, father, either put on your panties, or remove the cross."
  19. +13
    April 27 2013 08: 20
    With Asians, you need to have a keen ear, inviting you to spend the night in your house, in a week the Asian will think that this is his house. And remember this person, Dagir Khasavov, who promised to pour blood on Moscow if we don’t live according to Sharia (I hope he’s already sitting), but if our authorities decided to take up the migrants, then good luck to them in this matter, otherwise their dacher became painfully with a brazen face.
    1. +6
      April 27 2013 08: 31
      Quote: nemec55
      But if our authorities decided to take up the migrants, then good luck to them in this matter, otherwise their dacher became painfully with a brazen face.

      It seems that not only migrants, but also Wahhabis were shaken. Yesterday in oskva 140 the snout was tied. And in St. Petersburg recently dozens.
    2. +2
      April 27 2013 11: 03
      Unfortunately, he doesn’t sit, but strangely lives in the city of London and continues to yap from there ...
  20. +3
    April 27 2013 08: 28
    Apparently, the surname Rakhmon mentioned by Zhirinovsky in combination with the phrase “hang in the center of Dushanbe” made the Tajik deputies react so violently.

    However:
    The Tajik Foreign Ministry expressed its indignation at the words of Vladimir Zhirinovsky, calling them offensive and inappropriate traditional friendship of Tajikistan and the Russian Federation.

    In mismatch they do not blame the truth on Zhirinovsky.
  21. fenix57
    +36
    April 27 2013 08: 30
    More and more convinced of the indispensability of the DEAR G. ONISHCHENKO. Indeed, in essence, he and his department worked for the Federal Drug Control Service and the Migration Service, and for the Russian Foreign Ministry. May God grant him good health and good luck! hi
    1. +7
      April 27 2013 08: 34
      Just orderlies are out of politics.
      The FSB, FSKN, FMS will begin to work fully - the howl will rise, but you will not cling to the orderlies.
    2. +2
      April 27 2013 22: 27
      Yes, Onishchenko is our strongest political argument, our strongest weapon, even for America. tongue hi
  22. Shuriken
    +9
    April 27 2013 08: 35
    . But let them not come!
    Quote: arkgrz
    workers in Russia are needed
    Who interferes with the positions of the same janitors and movers in the cities to declare a recruitment in a Russian village where people get drunk from unemployment? At least on a rotational basis, huh? After all, the Moscow-St. Petersburg salaries (if you take the housing and communal services for the heat) will be very attractive for people from the outback. There will also be a competition
  23. +10
    April 27 2013 08: 40
    They’ll go crazy and stop, and Russia needs to follow its interests. We do not need their drugs in exchange for their friendship.
    1. +9
      April 27 2013 09: 04
      But what kind of friendship does the Eastern countries have - with a stone in his bosom?
      1. Marek Rozny
        +2
        April 28 2013 15: 01
        Quote: ia-ai00
        But what kind of friendship does the Eastern countries have - with a stone in his bosom?

        Are you still here in Kazakhstan? Aren't you tired of injecting yourself into anguish? What is your problem? Why can't you leave the eastern country? Every time you whine about the Kazakhs, who keeps you here? You openly hate Kazakhs and Kazakhstan, what keeps you here - I can't understand? Even poor Tajiks can leave for Russia, but you just can't afford it? Aren't you tired of living here with people who have "a stone in their bosom"? Go to your historical homeland, there the smoke and Vasilenko are tired of waiting for you. You will write from there what Kazakhs are scoundrels and how the Kazakhs ruined your life.
        ZY I thought that all of these people got out of here back in the 90s, but it turns out there are still "humiliated and insulted" here. Current look, in the 90s it was still possible for "refugees" to steal and dump with impunity. And now this will be difficult. So if you are waiting for a "convenient" moment, then it is better not to wait, but go to the Russian embassy. However, if you hope to get the status of "forced migrant", the ambassadors will not believe you. They won't believe it anymore. So tell them only the truth: “I am a nationalist, and just humanly I don’t like Kazakhs. If they accepted Orthodoxy, banned the Kazakh language and culture, kissed the feet of every Russian hard worker and even a bummer, then I would be left. crimson pants and squats three times with the words "ku" - I have nothing to do here. "
    2. +5
      April 27 2013 11: 12
      As the British said, there can be no friendship with the Arabs, it’s even impossible to buy them, you can only rent them for a while, because there are no agreements for them ... all this fully applies to people from the Middle Of Asia ...
  24. +6
    April 27 2013 08: 46
    Now the authorities have announced the translation into Tajik of even those words that were not in it at all. This campaign in Tajikistan was called the elimination of "linguistic flaws", and they have already managed to bring to court several dozens of businessmen who use non-Tajik words in the name of their companies.

    And in Russia, Tajik speech on the street should be equated to petty hooliganism.
    1. sleepy
      0
      April 28 2013 02: 31
      Quote: andrejwz
      "In Russia, Tajik speech on the street should be equated with petty hooliganism."


      In Russia, the Tajik language is becoming popular.
      "The city telephone information in St. Petersburg spoke
      in Tajik.
      Now, every day from nine in the morning until six in the evening, migrants can call
      by phone 004 and in your native language to obtain information about the documents required to obtain a work permit ...
      ... In Smolny said that in the near future
      will also speak Uzbek. "
      http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1174331-0/

      And after 2015, all Tajiks will travel to Russia with Russian passports
      and with Russian citizenship. Then the visa regime will be introduced, but not earlier.
  25. +5
    April 27 2013 08: 52
    But originally it was about sanitation and order ... Make the train compliant with the standards - and all things! No, it's easier to start a scandal.
    In general, immigrants need to be driven. Their countries, like parasites, are kept at the expense of Russia.
  26. -9
    April 27 2013 08: 53
    Panas are fighting at the lackeys forelocks are cracking (Whoever puts a minus that serf, who plus that pan, if there is no rating there are no slaves and lords) laughing
    1. +1
      April 27 2013 10: 24
      do not want to be a slave, seek normal conditions at home, and not pump rights in a foreign country
  27. +1
    April 27 2013 09: 03
    Yes pug, know she is strong ... lol
  28. 0
    April 27 2013 09: 10
    With Asians, you need to have a keen ear, inviting you to spend the night in your house, in a week the Asian will think that this is his house. And remember this person, Dagir Khasavov, who promised to pour blood on Moscow if we don’t live according to Sharia (I hope he’s already sitting), but if our authorities decided to take up the migrants, then good luck to them in this matter, otherwise their dacher became painfully with a brazen face.
  29. 0
    April 27 2013 09: 11
    With Asians, you need to have a keen ear, inviting you to spend the night in your house, in a week the Asian will think that this is his house. And remember this person, Dagir Khasavov, who promised to pour blood on Moscow if we don’t live according to Sharia (I hope he’s already sitting), but if our authorities decided to take up the migrants, then good luck to them in this matter, otherwise their dacher became painfully with a brazen face.
  30. +2
    April 27 2013 09: 22
    Onishchenko in matters of foreign policy JOKER good
  31. Reyngard
    -4
    April 27 2013 09: 24
    It was curious to read you! But no one said, where did these come from? Under Yeltsin, as you don’t love him, there were few of them. And the "pewter eye" let them in (guess who it is from three times)? So who is the enemy of the Russians?
    1. GEO
      GEO
      0
      April 27 2013 09: 40
      Do not smack nonsense
    2. djon3volta
      +1
      April 27 2013 12: 12
      Quote: Reyngard
      Under Yeltsin, as you do not love him, there were few of them.

      under Yeltsin, the country didn’t even have money for itself, as no one was traveling, and right now they sniffed that Russia suddenly got rich before our eyes, and they started to populate it. Russians do not go as caretakers, masons, sellers to Asia for work, because there you won’t earn anything. why should I go somewhere, if work in my city, my country, and so are there and where will it unfold? Is it logical?
  32. nnnnnn
    -8
    April 27 2013 09: 30
    Quote: Civil
    3. You may have to withdraw 201 base. To Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan.

    Bring to Ulyanovsk together with your allies, this is a bitter joke, but the conclusion of a simple compad in the form of Zhirik, Rogozin and many others does everything for Russia to lose Central Asia, everyone understands that the flow of migrant workers could be adjusted for a long time, there are many administrative levers for this , but it is beneficial to all the bureaucratic authorities in Russia which absolutely do not care about the future of Russia for them to save their money on offshore received from the owners, having lost Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan has already been lost, Russia will get everything for the implementation of the Yugoslav version.
    1. Earthman
      -4
      April 28 2013 21: 01
      in 10 years there will be no Russian Federation on the map - this is an axiom
      1. +2
        April 28 2013 21: 08
        Do you know what is really an axiom? A post with exactly the same content you write in a year. In five years, in ten. And every time it will be like this:
        Quote: Earthman
        in 10 years there will be no Russian Federation on the map - this is an axiom
        1. Marek Rozny
          +3
          April 28 2013 21: 50
          Georgians kicked out. Today - Tajiks, tomorrow - Kyrgyz, the day after tomorrow - Kazakhs, Tatars, Ukrainians, Udmurts. And then do not be surprised if instead of the Russian Federation there will be independent Siberian, Ural, Far Eastern republics, Ingermanland, Muscovy, etc. The process of destruction was launched from outside, and the Russians, instead of opposing this together with their neighbors, accelerate the process. Of all the real allies, only Belarusians and Kazakhs remained. But they drive you into Bosko that Old Man is an extravagant man, Nazarbayev is a despot, Belarusians are hysterical, Kazakhs are traitors. If the Russians are driven away from Minsk and Astana, tomorrow they will easily get rid of Russia itself. Moreover, who will stand up for those who yelled: "Russia has no allies !!! 111 Current army and navy !!! 1111" and "Beat the Zh_dov, Kh_khlov, Caucasians, Churok, Tajiks, Kyrgyz! Save Russia!"
          You yourself do not understand where you are being led with such a national policy propagated from the outside? And in less than a century, the Russians killed the Russians. Step on the same rake again. Only taking into account modern information technologies, the "world community" can deal with the Russians much faster, without having time to figure out who destroyed the country, and in which direction to shoot. Libya, Iraq, Syria are a testing ground for what will be used against Russia. With their own hands, these peoples are killing themselves for the profit of TNCs and the world gendarme.
          1. +1
            April 28 2013 22: 09
            Who expelled the Georgians? We only have the status of citizens of Russia 150 with a penny of thousands. They sent only those who illegally were on the territory of Russia, and only a small part of them. It was necessary for everyone.

            Dear, illegal migrant is a burden on the budget of the country, and therefore on every Russian taxpayer. Why do we have to endure it, tell us. potassium weasel. In order not to offend the poor?

            The state has simplified registration rules to the fullest. They all rushed to comply with the laws of the country in which they carry out their activities? No, they spat on it from a high bell tower. And you, as I understand it, do you propose to please them in every way so that, God forbid, they are not offended?
            1. Marek Rozny
              +1
              April 28 2013 22: 31
              Oh, come on build innocence from yourself. They did not expel Georgians, did not shut down Georgian business, did not breed anti-Georgian hysteria, did not invade the territory of Georgia ... You were bred as children, but you did not notice. Now Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan are in turn (and this, by the way, is the first potential member of the CU and the EurAsEC). And then there will be Kazakhs with Belarusians to dissolve from Russia. What is incomprehensible here?

              Illegal migration is a small disaster. Tajiks and Kyrgyz usually legally enter our countries. They WORK illegally. And why? Because the laws are stupid. Because it is easier to keep migrants as sheep, which can be paid a penny and, if they are dissatisfied, to be legally thrown out of the country. On this, people make billions. It is on this scheme - a migrant is not protected from anything slavethe issuer. They feed on migrants from the sergeant of the PPS and a small entrepreneur to the very top. Any migrant will be happy to pay all taxes, only then he will have some rights. But who needs it from the Russian "feeding"?
              Who is there that "simplified utterly"? Who from Ravshan and Dzhamshut knows their rights and responsibilities? He packs up potatoes in the back room and lays bricks from morning till night or sweeps the yard. All communication with the outside world (often with a foreign language) he has through the owner, who has his passport. Do you think migrants come home after 6 pm and read the latest news on the MHIF website while drinking karkade? Or do they not read it because he has no time - he relaxes in the jacuzzi? Officials, cops, entrepreneurs should be screwed up - then order will begin to take shape. But, damn it, it's easier to swear a Tajik. And not even in person, but in an Internet forum where they do not exist ...
              1. +1
                April 28 2013 23: 09
                sent 150 people. Illegally located in Russia. Why did you decide that we are obliged to violate the laws of our country for their sake?

                Well, the rest is the usual blah blah blah. Registration can be done in one day. It is possible by mail. A patent for labor migrants costs 1000 rubles. I wonder if you don’t know this, or do not write about it intentionally? Because in this case, your nagging about the bad Russians and migrant paws will somehow look unconvincing
      2. 0
        April 28 2013 22: 53
        Quote: Earthman
        in 10 years there will be no Russian Federation on the map
        What about pipiski on the collar and even in the eye and all the holes of the predictor?
        Russia was and will be!
        critters will rest
        1. Focuser
          +2
          April 28 2013 23: 10
          Yes, here we are talking about another. With such an approach, the country may not be in 10 years! They are talking about this.
          1. 0
            April 28 2013 23: 16
            Without the prerogative of the interests of migrant workers over the interests of the local population, the country will fall apart? And you do not exaggerate their role?
  33. +8
    April 27 2013 09: 35
    All this Asian brotherhood LOVES and understands only strength, everything else, as they understand it, is a manifestation of weakness.
    1. Reyngard
      +2
      April 27 2013 09: 43
      I fully agree and support!
  34. +10
    April 27 2013 09: 45
    Entering Russia to earn what the hell are they pulling their pregnant women and crowds of children?
    Then we pay for them medicine, kindergartens and schools, travel in transport (they .... and crowds ride the metro and electric trains for free), give birth in our maternity hospitals, go to our clinics and send money home.
    Let them pamper our hucksters there that the rest were not inseparable in Russia to take them to work and not their own.
    Sales officials, doctors, teachers providing services to these migrants, today you are with money, and tomorrow you will not bring the Lord with a cut off head because of your greed, know your children or grandchildren, these compassionate migrants can also get it.
    There is nothing to delay time and flirt with the buoys, it is time to decide and act now, then it can be late stop
  35. +3
    April 27 2013 10: 00
    The fish rots from the head.
    Rogozin proposed this year to let only passports, Putin corrected - only with 2015. If so, then settle them in the Kremlin. Let the inhabitants of heaven closer to meet.
    I agree that an evil comment, but tired of the mess.
  36. Krasnoyarsk
    +6
    April 27 2013 10: 02
    Let the migrants come in three cheerful letters! The Russians were kicked out in the 90s, but as it came down, they immediately rushed to Russia. Let them starve in their Central Asia.
    1. 0
      April 27 2013 10: 07
      such a decision is emotions, but in politics they do not always bring to good
      firstly, there are still enough Russians living in the SA, secondly, such a demarche means a breakdown of relations, and a holy place does not exist, it means that others will come in our place and it will certainly not be our friends.
      here you need not only a whip, but also a carrot
      1. UFO
        +2
        April 27 2013 10: 41
        They are NOT FRIENDS for a long time! And about the "life" of Russians who are still in Tajikistan, talk to them yourself. You will be told that Russian nationality for a girl is synonymous with a prostitute. In order for a Russian guy to serve in our 201st base, bribes must be given to the "Ravshans and Dzhumshuds" who can "resolve" this issue, not to mention the possibility of a career in civil service, etc. fool
    2. Maximus
      0
      April 27 2013 11: 16
      But we are merciful, we accept everyone ...
  37. +6
    April 27 2013 10: 06
    Quote: fenix57
    More and more convinced of the indispensability of the DEAR G. ONISHCHENKO. Indeed, in essence, he and his department worked for the Federal Drug Control Service and the Migration Service, and for the Russian Foreign Ministry. May God grant him good health and good luck! hi

    Onishchenko does not know this contingent of residents of the Ferghana Valley and its environs by hearsay. My father, along with his parents, once treated them for the evil diseases that are still popular among Asians.
    The reason why all sorts of drugs are screaming for their guest workers is very simple. If oxygen is cut off for them in Russia, then indignant migrants who have returned home will quickly wrap up the rotten head of their plots. Yes, what’s good instead of the Nazi regimes, as it is now everywhere in Wed. Asia will establish pro-Russian.
  38. +4
    April 27 2013 10: 08
    This is my opinion, it may be wrong or differ from the opinion of others:
    1) Border in holes;
    2) A niche and work for visitors from the former republics will always be;
    3) We need to influence the processes taking place in the former republics of the USSR;
    4) We must be sure of the maximum loyalty of residents of neighboring states;
    5) Using all opportunities, we should promote the idea of ​​the need to return to the union state and the superiority of Russia (in various aspects) within the framework of the former Warsaw Pact.
    Respectively:
    1) The USA is not capable of 100% controlling the border with Mexico. We must use their experience and, in any case, equip the border. The southern border must be controlled as much as possible and it is necessary to do this first of all;
    2) Do you want to work in Russia - learn a language, pass an exam, pass fingerprints (lips, a retinal scan, a full-face and profile photo, DNA, etc.). But there must be a single base for this. But in our country cars are stolen to the Caucasus and cannot be found for a long time. Do not enter the database.
    3) They talked a lot about Rakhmon (http://kompromati.ru/2000/09/16/raxmonov-nbsp-i-nbsp-tadzhikistan-nbsp/
    http://stringer-news.com/publication.mhtml?Part=48&PubID=19388 http://www.informacia.ru/zagranica/3/578-80.html) и поменять его можно.
    4) As practice shows, loyalty is bought. That I would like the loyalty to be bought from ordinary citizens, and not from the "bigwigs". Cones must be kept in check with compromising evidence and fear of sudden death.
    5) It’s good that they began to pay attention to counter-propaganda. There is money, to build powerful stations transmitting radio and TV signals in various languages, with coverage of events from a favorable point of view and the formation of an appropriate image and pushing to the necessary conclusions, I am for it.
    1. lubin
      +1
      April 27 2013 10: 58
      And point 6) equate the "loyalty" of an official to illegal migrants - to treason with all the consequences ... good
  39. AK-47
    +1
    April 27 2013 10: 10
    ... announced the translation into Tajik of even those words that were not in it at all.

    Perhaps this applies to "swearing" words.
    This is how much ingenuity is needed to create their analogue with the same lethal force. Do not pull.
    1. 0
      April 29 2013 09: 40
      Quote: AK-47
      Probably it concerns "obscene" words
      Not only, ask how winter is translated, the usual time of year
  40. UFO
    +4
    April 27 2013 10: 12
    We don't need these savages. Already sick from these mugs. There is a "labor exchange" in the city - a bypass road, there are dozens of them hanging out every day, NO we have so much work! And you don't need so many janitors, even in Moscow (I know what I'm talking about), you need to deal with your citizens, and in Moscow not all businessmen and managers. These monkeys change their names, ha, yes, "shit ... and fall asleep with roses", let them return to the Middle Ages! All the work of the gaster boils down to a simple formula: Earn the first money (at a construction site, drugs, etc.), hit the road for consumer goods and settle in our markets (or settle in a vegetable market). The situation is heating up, over the past week, I have only 2 attacks of lumps on the street at work. In the first case, the antediluvian mob was beaten and taken away. tel., in the 2nd - tel. and about 2 thousand money. I myself get a permit for weapons, I think not long to wait "until it starts."
  41. irka_65. irina
    +1
    April 27 2013 10: 12
    It has long been necessary to show all these Rahmonov the way out. They got hurt! Nothing, but a sense of dignity they still infringed upon. Did they even have it?
    1. UFO
      -1
      April 27 2013 10: 31
      They have only 2 instincts: to eat and multiply! lol
  42. +4
    April 27 2013 10: 13
    Apparently the border must be closed. Let someone not like it, but I’ll say such demarches of representatives of a semi-medieval country that have nothing but an important strategic position in relation to Russia are not acceptable. The answer should be asymmetric. Closing borders, expelling (even at our expense) Tajiks from Russia , freezing all money transfers with this country. Because these monkeys understand only the language of power. And still a bad memory. They bite the hand of the lactating. For this, it would be necessary to punish them
  43. +6
    April 27 2013 10: 17
    In no case should the loss of Tajikistan be allowed. We will lose it, we will receive either a new province of Afghanistan or even worse - China. By and large, the Russian base on the territory of Tajikistan serves as a kind of barrage buffer aimed at maintaining the secular foundations of individual countries in Central Asia. Most likely, the withdrawal or withdrawal of the Russian base from the territory of the indicated state will lead to a sharp radicalization of the bulk of the local population, which will ultimately affect the growth of tension not only in the Central Asian region, but also in Russia itself.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      +5
      April 27 2013 10: 31
      Let them pay for the base, not us.
      1. +3
        April 27 2013 10: 36
        Everyone needs this. In particular, Russia in this country has both geopolitical and economic interests.
        1. Maximus
          0
          April 27 2013 10: 59
          Interests, but not to the detriment of their own.
        2. Airman
          0
          April 30 2013 23: 52
          Our elite simply forgot how the Russians were expelled, killed, and raped in Tajikistan in the 90s. It is necessary to strengthen the border, instead of keeping the base there.
      2. Maximus
        +2
        April 27 2013 11: 01
        The real offer for the base should be paid by Tajiks, or they will pay by the Taliban. Our base is a guarantor.
  44. 0
    April 27 2013 10: 28
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Break the direct train to the Tajik border, from the Russian border. From wagon to wagon through tight border, sanitary and customs controls. It is easy to apply if the authorities are interested in this.

    Here are the golden words !! Cheap, profitable and cheerful.
  45. +2
    April 27 2013 10: 50
    I must admit that the migration policy in Russia failed miserably, cities and towns are filled with * doubtful * from the near abroad, the leaders of these countries do not suck money from Russia inside their countries, knowing that a rich neighbor is nearby and forcing their people to go to work for us ... even tired of writing on this topic
    1. Maximus
      0
      April 27 2013 10: 58
      Yes, the hackneyed topic ....
  46. dc120mm
    +2
    April 27 2013 10: 50
    Drugs eta Plague of our days.
  47. +3
    April 27 2013 10: 54
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    An interesting picture. Directly in oil. Not the Russians to them, but they are an avalanche rod and dictate the rules of the game. A strict visa regime with them should not be introduced tomorrow, but yesterday and the border should be guarded as in the USSR with capitalist states. With the same Afghanistan. Break the direct train to the Tajik border, from the Russian border. From wagon to wagon through tight border, sanitary and customs controls. It is easy to apply if the authorities are interested in this. So far, it seems the opposite. Someone benefits from this mess on the border.

    These moves of the Tajs remind me of cockroaches in the kitchen, where they began to clean, and cockroaches do not like it!
  48. Maximus
    +1
    April 27 2013 10: 57
    How much longer can you please Rahmon, how they fuss with a moody child. All Central Asian princes are trying to sit on two chairs, bargaining as in the eastern bazaar.
  49. +3
    April 27 2013 10: 58
    What disrespect ?! If they still get lifting ones! I don’t know how in the rest of Russia, but here, in the peasant Yekaterinburg, they are given money for the arrangement. By the way, to the moderators, what is how to get it, and send a request to the procurator about this? My neighbor in the area, a Tajik, received 4 million for a family "lifting"
    1. cyclist
      -1
      April 27 2013 11: 37
      in a mustache in a mustache sold with goo .. well for a long time !!!
  50. 0
    April 27 2013 11: 10
    Issues with the Russian military base of the Tajik government will have to be solved!
    And also translate into the Tajik Criminal Code with comments!
    1. 0
      April 27 2013 12: 32
      There will be no base, Rahmon will immediately be put on a stake with his clan, and the remaining ones will, as always, move to Russia
  51. AK44
    0
    April 27 2013 11: 13
    Another show off! You might think that until this time it was a secret to Onishchenko what the hell was going on on these trains! And these migrants, Satan would take them, have already reached not only Moscow, but also small towns! Ready to work hard for pennies and live like pigs.
  52. 0
    April 27 2013 11: 17
    Quote: Alibekulu
    Quote: Rustiger
    Then why are you so excited?
    Do not bother, smoke while gashik aside. Now we are joking over the tajs. . . Kazakhs are not in business yet


    Yeah, so ... yank over you laughing
    “God, how great your menagerie is!”

    Pancake crying We are waiting, we will not wait when you take up the Kazakhs ..
    By this time, I’m probably getting old ..
    You must first put things in order for YOURSELF: with your "garbage" - both in Moscow and in the regions .. just elementary order .. otherwise everything is on the forums ..

    Do you want Skin's chaos 90? No one considers himself a skinny or a fascist, but it seems to me that if the right person calls, we will raise you all to the pitchforks am
    1. +3
      April 27 2013 14: 16
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      we will raise you all to the pitchforks


      Oh belay I scared...I'm really shitting myself.. laughing
      Smart guy, do you even have a pitchfork??

      Until then...


      Well, we will find something wink
  53. +2
    April 27 2013 11: 20
    In Soviet times, the registration system worked perfectly, you can only work at your place of residence. Why was it necessary to introduce this disgrace according to the American model. Freedom...
  54. 0
    April 27 2013 11: 27
    [quote=VadimSt]tm70-71! Dont be upset. Did you hope that after the positive assessment of the “blunder” with the photo, they would thank you for your detailed explanation?
    Alas, some on the forum do not need your truth, but to “fart louder,” naturally for the sake of rating and increasing their own self-esteem. A common tactic for a certain category of people is to shout either “Hurray” or “Shame” the loudest.[/quo
    Do you hear me! My Motherland, Russia, there are a lot of you, it’s bad, so why the hell are you all rushing here, we’re not inviting you!
  55. +2
    April 27 2013 11: 54
    “The same Atoev noted that Tajik citizens, it turns out, buy their tickets for the train heading to Russia exclusively with foreign passports, because on the way to the Russian border the train has to cross the territory of those states (Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan) with which Tajikistan has everything The visa regime still remains in effect." I work with documents of migrant workers. Approximately a third of Tajik passports are internal, these people arrived by plane. The Uzbeks all have international passports, just like the Turkmens. The Tajik authorities do not care about their citizens.
    1. 0
      April 30 2013 13: 46
      I'm crying.. From Tajikistan to Russia via Turkmenistan??
  56. Maximus
    -2
    April 27 2013 11: 57
    Kyrgyz and Tajiks, thank the Russians that you exist and have survived as a nation in general, and that you have your statehood. If it were not for Russia and the USSR, it is unknown how you would have lived.
    1. tm70-71
      -2
      April 27 2013 12: 44
      You've got a jam, change the record.
      1. Maximus
        +3
        April 27 2013 13: 05
        Let me add that your state budget is replenished by transfers from Russia, at least by 50 percent.
        And don't poke me, smart guy.
        1. Marek Rozny
          0
          April 28 2013 20: 08
          did the Kyrgyz steal this money? earned money honestly. and it’s no secret that they are paid a pittance. When Russians earn money abroad, do they leave this money in the host country or send it to their mother? Russian officials send much more stolen money from Russia to Swiss accounts. who convinces you that the root of all misfortunes is migrant workers, isn’t it these grabbers?
  57. -1
    April 27 2013 12: 23
    They're insulting Russians again, aren't you tired? Why are you so weak? That’s why everyone doesn’t like you. Stop blaming others, you’re the only one to blame, you’re the good one. Everyone is blaming yourself and your bureaucrats.
    1. AK44
      +2
      April 27 2013 12: 34
      [quote=Kazbek]why are you so weak that everyone doesn’t like you?
      They don’t like the strong, but they despise the weak! And for non-states, such as Tajikistan, etc. It’s not easy to offend us.
    2. 0
      April 27 2013 16: 04
      You are right about this, unfortunately! Why you can respect Caucasians is that they stand up for each other. Until it dawns on ours that they need to do it together, how many times will they get it separately!? Central Asia hopes for a cluster of i.e. en masse, on the sly.
    3. 0
      April 27 2013 17: 24
      It’s not about grievances and weakness, but they don’t like it because it’s these bureaucrats who begin to deal with their direct responsibilities, and those who receive income from drug trafficking (read Rakhmon) don’t like it and the little people will start grumbling because there is no work and there's nothing to eat.
    4. +1
      April 27 2013 22: 07
      Quote: Kazbek
      They're insulting Russians again, aren't you tired?

      And what does this have to do with it! Our country and WE decide who to let in when and for how long or not! hi
  58. +1
    April 27 2013 12: 30
    The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Tajikistan expressed its outrage at the words of Vladimir Zhirinovsky, calling them offensive and not in line with the spirit of the traditional friendship of Tajikistan and the Russian Federation.

    And the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Tajikistan does not want to express its indignation at the drug influx that comes from Tajikistan - Afghanistan. Everyone knows that these trains bring us tons of drugs.
    1. +4
      April 28 2013 19: 06
      Well, since everyone knows that drugs are rushing on this train, why don’t you check these trains??? Everyone knows everything and everyone feeds from it. Let's face it, you cannot restore order in your country, and the citizens of Central Asia have nothing to do with it, they are just bargaining chips.
  59. Adorofeev63
    0
    April 27 2013 12: 35
    Quote: antiaircrafter
    Just orderlies are out of politics.
    The FSB, FSKN, FMS will begin to work fully - the howl will rise, but you will not cling to the orderlies.

    So this means orderlies and security forces?! smile
  60. zcity
    0
    April 27 2013 12: 41
    The crappy Americans are making a Muslim caliphate on Russian territories, and someday these 10 lyams “ala-ya to the bar” will declare their failures and what to do then.

    It’s been a long time since you’ve had to apply for a passport, even Moldovans have long been forced to travel on passports (and they are still Orthodox) and deport them in batches.

    Let the people force the authorities to come down to earth (they are getting carried away too much).
    1. Maximus
      +1
      April 27 2013 13: 07
      Again the Amers are to blame, we and only we are to blame, our government, but the Americans benefit from all this.
    2. -3
      April 27 2013 15: 22
      What class are you in?
      There have NEVER BEEN A CALIPHATE on the territory of our country. Caliphates are associations of Arab nomads. ON OUR TERRITORY THERE HAVE BEEN AND WILL BE KHANATES (KINGDOMS).
      During perestroika, in the 90s, religion became fashionable (alcohol and cigarettes were sold to them duty-free). A lot of money from resale (the state also contributed it) - advertising began. If the Orthodox clergy still relied on the state, then the Muslims connected to an external source.
      EVERYONE is to blame except the pagans. and the CAUCASUS AND CENTRAL ASIA and the ENTIRE REST OF MODERN RUSSIA ARE PAGAN. The BRICS countries are close to us in this regard
      WORSHIP the Earth, Water, Air and ANCESTORS.
    3. 0
      April 27 2013 15: 22
      What class are you in?
      There have NEVER BEEN A CALIPHATE on the territory of our country. Caliphates are associations of Arab nomads. ON OUR TERRITORY THERE HAVE BEEN AND WILL BE KHANATES (KINGDOMS).
      During perestroika, in the 90s, religion became fashionable (alcohol and cigarettes were sold to them duty-free). A lot of money from resale (the state also contributed it) - advertising began. If the Orthodox clergy still relied on the state, then the Muslims connected to an external source.
      EVERYONE is to blame except the pagans. and the CAUCASUS AND CENTRAL ASIA and the ENTIRE REST OF MODERN RUSSIA ARE PAGAN. The BRICS countries are close to us in this regard
      WORSHIP the Earth, Water, Air and ANCESTORS.
  61. +1
    April 27 2013 13: 52
    discrediting Takzhik authority? my mother is a woman! what awaits Russia next? who hasn’t already pointed out how we should live in our country?
  62. 0
    April 27 2013 14: 05
    Vladimir Zhirinovsky. The leader of the LDPR in the duel program, in particular, said:
    They know that Russia has money. Pay more! Here we tell them, we will no longer take your workers to us to work. Then what will Rahmon (head of the republic) do? He is well aware that he is finished. For the Afghan Islamists will trample Tajikistan. And he, like Najibullah, will be hanged in the center of Dushanbe.

    In this case, Volfovich spoke correctly and gave an accurate example, and there is no doubt that this will happen. Do they doubt it? They will experience it themselves in 2014, when NATO leaves Afghanistan, the Taliban come and teach Tajiks to love Allah. And most importantly, don’t feel sorry for them one iota for what they did in the 90s. Transfer 201 VB to Kyrgyzstan and let their spirits go to barbecue.
  63. Adel
    +1
    April 27 2013 14: 10
    from the very beginning after the collapse of the USSR, they went home, which means the border is locked, and if there is a desire to visit Russia, then a visa is properly issued where the period and reason are indicated, as in the whole world and there was no need to bring the local population, where millions are looking for work, to such a state in the first place Do they understand more about construction or road repair, etc. in fact, sometimes they don’t even know the name of the tools
    but the main culprit of the Hausa is local officials, they need to return to the challenge regime and accept their compatriots and the rest in the professions that the country needs
  64. stranik72
    +5
    April 27 2013 14: 18
    Gentlemen-Comrades, on the eve of May 9, there is no need to again switch to division along national lines, we were together and we had a great history of victories, our ancestors did not think which nationality was cooler. They simply built a country, raised children, and when necessary, they took up arms and went off to defend it all. We have been divided and continue to be divided, creating conditions led by the profit of some and the humiliation of others, and in order for this to continue, they are trying to convince us that “strangers” are to blame for everything, but if it weren’t for them, everything would be fine “with us.” . Don’t be fooled, it’s not those “strangers” who are to blame, but our local bureaucrats, it is they, together with our “businessmen”, who appropriate that part of the profit that these “strangers” create.
    1. -4
      April 28 2013 10: 35
      no....it’s time to move on)) it’s high time, because it was not the Russians who first started the wave of nationalism, but our “brotherly” peoples who suddenly decided to rethink the role of the Russian people in their lives....In the end, the Russians - The occupiers, colonialists, are all drunks and don’t want to work, and the Russians also eat small children. And all this is still legally enshrined at the state level, history textbooks have been rewritten, the youth of these former “fraternal republics” are already firmly convinced that Russia OWES them something... If I were president, Uzbekistan would start a war against Kazakhstan... Well, so that these scum can really feel for themselves what occupation, colonialism, etc. really are. They're showing off here like try and take it, but we're like invincible TURKS, well, well... we'll wait and see how the whole thing ends.
      1. Anti
        0
        April 28 2013 11: 18
        Quote: Smoke
        it was not the Russians who first started the wave of nationalism


        Everyone started this wave, especially the center turned a blind eye to it, silently contributed to it, don’t get excited, but remember what the media betrayed at that time.
        minus mine.
  65. niklev65
    +1
    April 27 2013 14: 28
    For the past ten years I have been voting for Zhirinovsky in elections at all levels, and once again I am convinced that I was right! How did they laugh at him some ten years ago...? But every word contains a guide to action. For example
    , provinces without any national division. And wash the boots of a Russian soldier in the Indian Ocean? And friendship with the east, and not with the west? And Luzhkov, Nemtsov... etc.? And he was born just in Central Asia , one might say its theme.
    And how they laughed and made fun of Onishchenko... It’s a shame to remember... Time shows who is right. It’s a pity that (time) is getting less and less!
    Of course this is my personal subjective opinion.
    And migrant workers (since they were allowed in) must be gradually squeezed (this is what is done in my region) back to their homeland. There are also those who completely adopt our culture, respect our laws, boost our economy, love this country - you are welcome, stay and work There are many personal examples. But Moscow is not all of Russia (not even Russia at all)!
  66. +3
    April 27 2013 14: 32
    Regarding all this hype in Tajikistan, I would say this.
    Don't bite the hand of the giver so you don't have to lick the kicking boot...
  67. +7
    April 27 2013 14: 48
    I am Russian by nationality, Soviet by upbringing. At the age of more than 60 years, it is difficult for me to change my worldview, but when I see how national states put priorities on the advantages of their nation-forming ethnic group over other peoples of their country, the question arises, why does it seem that Russians in their own country do not have the right to resolve interests first all your people? And nationalism has nothing to do with it. It's just a matter of self-preservation of the Russian nation.
    1. +1
      April 27 2013 16: 36
      Why does it seem that a Russian in his own country does not have the right to decide the interests, first of all, of his people?

      Because this would be an excess of necessary self-defense, and there is an article for this in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
  68. +2
    April 27 2013 14: 52
    All this fuss is just a chance to beg for another handout, as was the case with the plane that was flying from Afghanistan and was grounded and accused of smuggling. And the depiction of insulted innocence is just show-off. It’s high time to introduce a visa regime, nothing will happen to them if they stand in line at the embassy, ​​their arrogance will be moderated, and it will be easier to filter out extremists from hard workers. No matter how much you help them, they hated us and will continue to hate us, as they say: no matter how much you feed the wolf...
  69. 0
    April 27 2013 14: 59
    Destroy Tajikistan so that the ungrateful ones ask for forgiveness. We give them civilization, and they bark at us, the bastards
  70. nnnnnn
    -6
    April 27 2013 15: 07
    Poor, poor Russian guest workers took all the work, and they are all fleeing to the West, just like Yeltsin’s daughter did.
  71. niklev65
    +1
    April 27 2013 15: 09
    Friends! Yes, we are hated not specifically by Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc., but by a group of people who call themselves the national political, economic, cultural and economic elite. Or rather, not us, but our state! And if this hatred they are paid by the “most democratic democrats”, here they are simply in ecstasy. As an example, our “swamp elite”. But we are not enemies of ordinary hard workers, and neither are they. We get along well and have been working for hundreds of years! And it will always be so, It’s just that times are turbulent now... Well, should we be afraid of something?
    1. cyclist
      +1
      April 27 2013 15: 40
      the trouble is that this shitty bunch of d-ma runs everything, and since the time of the hunchback no one has been able to overthrow the bunch, and simple hard workers should live in their homeland
  72. +1
    April 27 2013 15: 42
    Putting things in order with the employment of migrants is SIMPLE, but it will deprive the bureaucrats of “bad money”; therefore everything will continue as before.
  73. +2
    April 27 2013 15: 53
    Quote: VadimSt
    My truth is that I was raised and raised in an international country. Therefore, I never equate: - the citizens of the country with the policies of the authorities; - a sign of nationality with crime; - a bunch of neo-fascists in Lviv, or the crowd on Bolotnaya with all of Ukraine or all of Russia; I do not shout “Hurray” so that they clap my hands and added a rating in the form of mythical shoulder straps - more than half of my life was spent in uniform, which I’m proud of.

    I SUPPORT 100%, I have no health for more. True, I lived 47 of them, 30 served...
  74. -4
    April 27 2013 15: 55
    I see the national issue has come up. Then, here's a bedtime story for you. Natalia works at my facility, senior security shift. Baba is over 30, born and raised in Tajikistan. In the 90s, she served as a medic in the Tajik army. Then she immigrated to Russia, taking with her her retired mother and two minor daughters. She settled in, settled in, and married off her eldest daughter. I always remembered Tashkent with nostalgia and often called up my friends. The time has come for my youngest daughter to receive a Russian passport (damn, it sounds like something out of a fairy tale). That year, Natalia had to go to her historical homeland, correct some documents for her youngest. She returned from there as an ardent nationalist, and since then she has been violating Muslim brothers at every opportunity, and people from Central Asia, for no reason at all.
    1. a jacket
      +1
      April 27 2013 23: 11
      Quote: black
      I always remembered Tashkent with nostalgia

      maybe Dushanbe? Or was she born in Uzbekistan?
      1. 0
        April 28 2013 02: 51
        Yes, there was a mistake, geography-wise.
  75. +2
    April 27 2013 16: 01
    Listen - are we not busurmans? Well, why did you attack the Kyrgyz? After all, he is quite adequate! Visas - you need visas. But this is regulated by the state. It wouldn’t hurt to get serious visas with China, for example. After all, it’s true that we were united - well, they don’t have that much money in Russia, and we don’t all have five BMWs, matching the color of the suit. The Nazis everywhere sow only fear and hatred, even those whom they extol as a world nation defend themselves from them. The Nazis destroyed the USSR. In the person of you know who - I don’t want to remember in vain - something else good will come out of the grave. Here he has a US flag and why? It's simple - if one friend becomes an enemy, another company is automatically searched for. People are people everywhere. We need a migration policy - undoubtedly, but not on the basis of Nazism, but on the basis of treaties and rules. Then there will be no chance for the brown plague to come out. Leave the guy alone - don’t you see that he is also a patriot - his homeland, no matter what it is!
    1. Focuser
      +3
      April 27 2013 16: 24
      Quote: dddym
      Here he has a US flag and why?

      If you are about tm70-71, then he has the US flag because his Internet provider gave him an American IP! And he himself is now in Kyrgyzstan!
  76. Anti
    0
    April 27 2013 16: 13
    It seems that our grandfathers won the Great Patriotic War, but lost to fascism.
  77. not good
    0
    April 27 2013 16: 24
    Rakhmon is of course offended, the freebie is breaking off and it seems not for the last time. Tajikistan and Rakhmon need to tighten the screws.
  78. +2
    April 27 2013 16: 27
    When I go to work on foot, I meet an order of magnitude more “dark” people than people of Slavic appearance - I feel uneasy...Kamchatka.
  79. 0
    April 27 2013 16: 47
    In the age of science, imagination works tirelessly. This is what adds romance to the search for one’s future in the World. With the possibilities of "heavenly life" without any obligations or cooperation to the "neighbor". BUT, if the “Atlantic hypotheses” of the Great World had at least a visible scientific quality, then the “hypotheses” of the modern small state collapse with any breeze. The “Nordic” (from the north of Russia) blew out this morning - that’s it! Hypothesis: Russia is a friend!, the ship “Tajikistan” is heading north.
    BUT, for the “sustainability” of the right course, you need AT LEAST a little (Tajik!) besides “hypotheses” - to have a COMPASS, i.e. remember HISTORY!!!
    So, Captain Christopher Columbus blew a wind onto the schooner from the east - and so he ended up not in India, but in America! Right there, “European travelers met” the local aborigines! They discussed “democracy”, a “theory” about the origin of the Indians and their racial identity..., well, but the fact that “treaties” were constantly violated in order to steal cultural values, lands and destroy customs”, OR why they were “helped” to move to reservations( !) WELL, this is a trifle(!)…
    AND HERE, in comparison with the REQUIREMENTS of RUSSIA (thoughts from a Tajik!): “Sanitation!, Documents!, Registration!” We can not! And, sorry Russians, YOU are not Americans! YOU ARE JUST RUSSIA!
  80. 0
    April 27 2013 18: 05
    Quote: Alibekulu
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    we will raise you all to the pitchforks


    Oh belay I scared...I'm really shitting myself.. laughing
    Smart guy, do you even have a pitchfork??

    Until then...


    Well, we will find something wink

    You're an ass, don't watch third-rate films, and don't even look at things in Moscow, but go to the provinces, where people like you in this picture and people like you are running around! And also (and we will find something) fuck...take you to Central Asia and eat at each other there, otherwise the Russian people will remember the good old proverb: “Whoever comes to us with a sword will come from the sword and will die!"
  81. 0
    April 27 2013 18: 06
    Whatever one may say, Zhirinovsky is right, the Taliban will come and sentence the entire top of the government. But in general, we should not be indignant, but take note, because most of the claims are justified.
  82. avega
    +1
    April 27 2013 18: 43
    In my opinion, the problem of discussion is in a slightly different format... It’s not a matter of what nationality you have... It’s a matter of upbringing... For example, in the Great Patriotic War, all nations served together... and if it was difficult to share the latter, not it matters who you are by origin... and after the war, my grandfather went to the Caucasus, Tajikistan and was greeted there as a very dear guest... and vice versa, they also came to us in Samara, this is normal. Another thing is that the current education of our former fraternal peoples allows the very fact of behaving biasedly towards the Russian people both at home and on Our land... I know military men who left Almaty in a hurry, having sold their house, car and all property for free (((I think it’s the foreigners’ own fault that this is the approach towards them now... But not all of them are like that and that’s a fact... But I consider it alien to build and develop their ambitions in their own country... Although you are respected, you are still guests)))) PS. But the Chinese have nothing to do in our country.....
    1. Marek Rozny
      +3
      April 28 2013 14: 40
      Quote: avega
      I know military men who left Almaty in a hurry, selling their house, car and all their property for free ((

      P---f. All my life in a military environment. In 1991, 90% of officers in Kazakhstan were Slavs (Kazakhs served as officers in other regions of the ex-USSR). When the outflow of officers to Russia and Ukraine began, the leadership, on the contrary, tried to dissuade them. In the 90s, we had entire units standing “naked” - conscripts were recruited into the KZ according to Soviet standards, but there were practically no officers in the unit. Because of this, there was a terrible mess among the troops. As a result, the outflow was stopped by the fact that salaries were raised significantly compared to Russian ones (even in the 90s, a lieutenant received the same salary as a colonel in Russia), plus housing and so on. I'm not even talking about personnel growth. Along the way, they lured Kazakh officers from Russia, Ukraine and other republics.

      Yes, there were those who “sold property” in a hurry. Only this was not personal property, but the property of a military unit. No one could really keep track of them, especially since even the leadership of the law enforcement agencies did not know what, what and how much was in the warehouses. The inventory of military property was completed only in the early 2000s. So if someone tells you how he was selling something in a hurry, then know that he was not selling a personal car, but a UAZ, an overcoat, a stew, and even a weapon to the criminals of that time. Is it in vain that our warehouses regularly burned?
  83. +1
    April 27 2013 19: 12
    work in Russia for many men is the only opportunity to feed their family
    Moreover, you need to close your mouth and not set conditions
    humiliation of the dignity of the Tajik Republic and the discrediting of its authority.
    It seems that it’s not April 1st, what is this about, is that what it is?
    They wanted independence, the Russians went “to their own Russia”, and here the Gastrians will do what they say and not say
    In the case of the plane being detained, Rakhmon wanted to show his authority, was it successful?
  84. +2
    April 27 2013 19: 37
    Volodin Alexander with his article minus. There is a distortion of facts, a photograph (this is some kind of rally in a square in Bishkek.) and there is an obvious order. For the most part, members of the forum have a clear nationalistic negative attitude towards natives of Central Asia. Did they rob someone, steal bread from someone’s mouth, don’t let them work, etc.??? Each of them earns their livelihood by the sweat of their brow, and does not sit on the necks of respectable taxpayers. And if there are scum among them, they are not the face of the nation. And in the end, a person looks for where it is better. And their houses are a mess.
    Quote: Anti
    It seems that our grandfathers won the Great Patriotic War, but lost to fascism.
    It is truth too. In our area there are over 130 WWII veterans, more than half of them are Russian, and that, following the logic of comrades: Rusteiger, Romanov, NikolaiN, Vasya, Maximus, afire, shark, etc., etc., spread rot, deprive them on the basis of nationality: ours albeit small benefits, pensions, assistance from all sorts of non-governmental organizations???? Or send them and about 20% of the Russians (or, as EBN used to say, “scattered”) shouting “het” out? Yes, this will never happen, and never happened!!!! In the memory of the people there is everything: how a brother surrendered his brother (a middle peasant, or “kulak” in the terminology of the Russian Communist Party of Belarus, although this was alien to the people), how, together with all the peoples of the USSR, they defended Moscow (Panfilov’s men, the grandmother’s older brother died there), how the horse's saddle moved to the seat of a tractor, a Lada, how in the 90s all ties, production, industrial, and personal, were interrupted, how they were left alone and simply survived. And when these “ensigns” and others like him talk about pitchforks, black, dirty-faced people, by God I remember Hitler’s passages regarding the Slavs. After all, we had a great past, and the future depends on us.
    1. Anti
      0
      April 27 2013 19: 55
      I hate to think that anyone will see the comments of my compatriots, because they were once one country, and what a great and united one.
    2. 0
      April 27 2013 21: 42
      Quote: albai
      Did they rob someone, steal bread from someone’s mouth, don’t let them work, etc.???
      And they didn’t yell “go to your Rasiya”? People abandoned or sold their homes for next to nothing and left for nowhere. There is no need to teach tolerance
      1. Anti
        -2
        April 27 2013 22: 11
        Quote: Denis
        People abandoned or sold their homes for next to nothing and left for nowhere.


        Who exactly do you blame for this? Ordinary people? Or even those who organized this lawlessness and destroyed the country of the USSR. And WHY IS FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN THE PEOPLES OF THE FORMER USSR tolerance for you.?????? mnus-
        1. +1
          April 27 2013 22: 32
          Quote: Anti
          Who exactly do you blame for this?
          Whoever ruined theirs will one day get it. But didn’t ordinary people take part in this? There was a conversation, a Tajik brigade and their foreman from Ukraine, they also said how good it was when there was a Union. So the foreman said “Don’t believe them, I thought too If we separate, we will immediately live well..."
          I somehow believe him more
          1. Anti
            -1
            April 27 2013 22: 55
            Quote: Denis
            Didn't ordinary people take part in this?


            Ordinary people had their say, but apparently it was not necessary, which is a pity. Although you are right, you participated to some extent. The photo is not loading.

            I give links. http://topwar.ru/18144-referendum-o-sohranenii-sssr-17-marta-1991-goda.html
            http://sp.rian.ru/images/14854/92/148549258.jpg
      2. -3
        April 28 2013 14: 46
        Unfortunately, even now they are not letting up - in Ust-Kamenogorsk, for about a year, in the center of the city there was an inscription “Russians do not leave - we need slaves.” And we support this cause - shouting - get out, etc.
        1. Marek Rozny
          +2
          April 28 2013 15: 08
          Quote: dddym
          In Ust-Kamenogorsk, for about a year, in the center of the city there was an inscription “Russians do not leave - we need slaves.”

          definitely very bad... this story was invented in the Russian nationalist media in the early 90s (and the name of the city changes depending on the case). There are still people who carry this noodles on their ears.
          Go to some Ust-Kamenogorsk forum on the Internet, ask the locals (and there are significantly more Russians there than Kazakhs) if there was such a poster. The locals will twist their finger at your temple.
          1. 0
            April 28 2013 17: 51
            I haven’t trusted the media for a long time - but I trust my wife and mother-in-law who left you after selling your apartment for next to nothing and when they saw this very inscription with their own eyes on the day of departure.
            1. Marek Rozny
              +1
              April 28 2013 23: 59
              Two hundred thousand Russians live in Ust-Kaman, a total of 70% of the city. And no one took a photo of this poster? No one had a phone with a camera, a video camera, a camera? Are there no Russian-language press journalists in the city? If there was such an inscription, there would be a riot in Kazakhstan. In Russia, nationalist inscriptions are commonplace. In Kazakhstan, the authorities will respond harshly to the violator for such a thing.
              In short, stop talking. Tell these stories to the Russians. But Kazakhs don’t need to go overboard. Most likely, you either lied yourself, or your wife and mother-in-law are frank talkers. Ust-Kamenogorsk is 2/3 populated by Russians (not counting Russian speakers). Who kicked them out of there? Are they Russians themselves? In the 90s, even the administration of the city and region was always Russian. Leonid Desyatnik, then the German Mette, then Khrapunov (until 2007). The city was commanded by Vera Sukhorukova. And in general, most of the city officials are ethnic Russians. In short, don't be fooled.
          2. 0
            April 30 2013 11: 22
            http://rutube.ru/video/a7b68a44fc4b2d166c16bf8fcae593ec/
            I personally don’t see the point in talking about the existence of the poster - a lot of time has passed. We need to talk about the current state of affairs, which is quite sad for bilateral relations.
        2. +2
          April 29 2013 01: 42
          Quote: dddym
          in Ust-Kamenogorsk for about a year in the center of the city there was an inscription “Russians do not leave - we need slaves”


          Again 25 fool This is actually some kind of phantom inscription...
          “It turns out there is no country in the CIS where the “Russian genocide” would not have been carried out. And, surprisingly, in all these countries, on fences, at train stations, at airports and at demonstrations in honor of some significant dates, and simply at protest rallies, signs were everywhere: “Russians, don’t leave, we need slaves.”
          But for some reason this inscription in Ust-Kamenogorsk was not recorded by any photo or video material request
          This inscription, according to you, was around the 90s. How crazy, fear God... is it really possible that out of the almost 350 thousand population of Ust-Kaman, not a single one had even a battered camera? No. to take a picture of her??!!
          А feel maybe it was the evil Kazakhs who confiscated all their cameras from the Russians..
          1. 0
            April 30 2013 09: 02
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cbSqiCsjU4w
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BQyFBU3YvI
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7h2dgWwVbo
            http://rys-arhipelag.ucoz.ru/publ/36-1-0-1023
            Of course - this poster is not here. And it can’t be because my wife and mother-in-law left KZ 10 years ago. There were only a few cell phones with cameras back then. Now I don’t know and can’t even imagine what you have there. But in the USSR, 60% of Russians lived in the USSR, now 28%, did they really all suddenly just pick up and leave? During the years of my service, the Kazakhs formed communities right there in the army, and their main slogan was “I am a Kazakh - and you are Russian.”
            1. 0
              1 May 2013 12: 29
              What you attached as an argument is baby talk...))))
              If you wanted to prove something, then you clearly failed. I can easily throw here a large wagon and a small cart of much more serious facts - nationalist antics with the massive participation of citizens of the Russian Federation.
              Will we watch the statements and actions of the SS, DPNI and skins???))))
              1. 0
                2 May 2013 08: 50
                Let's stop comparing our pussies - then there will be a conversation. Let's just stop worrying and work together. There are many more arguments - but that’s not the point. Do you really want to have an enemy and not a friend at your side? Stop bragging and just let’s build something, for example, an open economic zone.
    3. +5
      April 28 2013 04: 00
      If you don’t want to work yourself, but want a freebie, but it doesn’t work out, then those who come in large numbers are to blame. And who let them in? They are the same Russians, but in the Federal Migration Service, police, housing and communal services and other places. It is not nationality that is to blame, but human greed and self-interest!!!
  85. +3
    April 27 2013 20: 08
    There is no need to blame anyone. Russians, take care and protect yourself - this is the key to the preservation of Russia and the preservation of all the peoples inhabiting the country.
  86. +2
    April 27 2013 20: 27
    I would have closed the border with Tajikistan altogether a long time ago...almost all drug trafficking comes from there.
    1. Warrawar
      +2
      April 27 2013 20: 39
      Quote: Snoop
      I would have closed the border with Tajikistan altogether a long time ago...almost all drug trafficking comes from there.

      90% from there.
  87. +3
    April 27 2013 20: 35
    Well, how cheerful our people are! I read and read... Well, gentlemen, didn’t you hesitate to butt heads with a couple of leshaks and provocateurs here?! Well, flawed people with extremely low self-esteem, maybe there are other problems?! Well, where else can they feel like men if not on the World Wide Web?!
    And most likely they make money! Do you want to help them?
    And the trains of Tajiks and others must be clean and tidy!!! When entering Russia in order to earn money (and for many people from Central Asia and not only this is the only opportunity), those entering must be polite and friendly and most importantly remember that they do not go to someone else’s monastery with their own charter! The monastery may be very offended. Recently, this has happened more than once in Moscow and in Russia in general!
    Once again, two time-tested sayings: - “You don’t go to someone else’s monastery with your charter! Russians take a long time to harness, but they drive fast!”
    1. 0
      April 27 2013 20: 46
      Quote: Oper
      Well, gentlemen, didn’t you hesitate to butt heads with a couple of leshaks and provocateurs here?! Well, flawed people with extremely low self-esteem, maybe what other problems?

      It’s true, but they spoil the mood like that same Ivan who doesn’t remember his kinship. Those who do not remember the past will not have a future.
  88. 0
    April 27 2013 20: 47
    [media=http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVF0KPG_a28] Here they are, Tajiks and Uzbeks, raping girls, cats, sheep, dogs and pregnant women.
  89. +1
    April 27 2013 20: 48
    Tajiks and Uzbeks rape little girls, dogs, cats and pregnant women.
  90. a jacket
    0
    April 27 2013 21: 41
    Quote: fenix57
    More and more convinced of the indispensability of the DEAR G. ONISHCHENKO. Indeed, in essence, he and his department worked for the Federal Drug Control Service and the Migration Service, and for the Russian Foreign Ministry. May God grant him good health and good luck!

    But let him not forget about a worthy change!
  91. xado.tj
    +1
    April 27 2013 22: 49
    IN GENERAL, THE TAJIKS ARE GOOD PEOPLE. THEY JUST HAVE NO LUCK WITH THE PRESIDENT. BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE. WHY ESCAPE THE SITUATION BEFORE THE ELECTIONS.
  92. +1
    April 27 2013 22: 55
    Tajiks let their donkeys fuck...graze. They wanted to live on their own, without Russia, go ahead, live. Otherwise we are remembered as cockerels when Russian-speaking people were spread rot and killed. So, no forgiveness - we all remember... Enough of Russia to wipe yourself away from all sorts of parasites - it’s time to wake up to a sense of self-esteem...
  93. xado.tj
    0
    April 27 2013 22: 58
    I AGREE WITH YOU. BUT COME ON AFTER THE ELECTIONS. IN TAJIKISTAN THERE ARE FEW DONKES FOR YOUR INFORMATION. BUT THERE ARE MORE CHINESE NOW.
  94. +1
    April 28 2013 00: 56
    But Zhirik says what the authorities are embarrassed to say...

    So, they will hang you. I won't cry.

    I personally am against guest workers. Has anyone counted how many unemployed people there are in Russia? It is high time to replace the millions of guest workers who are withdrawing finances from Russia with millions of our citizens, with wages increasing accordingly.

    Otherwise, guest workers don’t pay taxes, and they take money out of the economy, and it’s easier to spend the money on them...

    Yes, and crime from them...
    1. djon3volta
      0
      April 28 2013 07: 22
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      Otherwise, migrant workers don’t pay taxes, and money is taken out of the economy

      In the morning the program was shown, Uzbekistan is in first place in terms of payment transfers from Russia, then Tajikistan, then Ukraine.
      Uzbek GDP consists of 45% of Russian money! In 2012, Uzbeks withdrew more than 8 billion dollars in transfers, but how much was just in their pockets and wallets? what One tough raid is enough in all cities of the Russian Federation, without exception, with the identification of illegal immigrants and expulsion, as the economy of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan will collapse in a few months, there will be nothing special to transfer.
      1. Marek Rozny
        +3
        April 28 2013 14: 27
        and Russian Kazakhs send more money to Russia than comes from Russia to Kazakhstan. just banking facts.
        1. 0
          April 28 2013 14: 41
          Just don't draw conclusions. Why did you write this? Banking fact means only "legal" money. There is no opium-money-opium transaction going through the bank. The transaction does not go through the bank; it is simply the export of currency in stockings and excuse me in other places.
          1. Marek Rozny
            +1
            April 28 2013 15: 05
            What opium? Totally bad? They tell you that Russian Kazakhs annually send more money to their relatives than remittances come from Kazakhstan. You scold the Tajiks in exactly this way. Why the hell should an ethnic Kazakh send money to Russia? It's the Russians sending it to the Russians. I’m not even talking about transfers of legal entities, but only about individuals.
            1. -1
              April 28 2013 15: 14
              Listen, I have a tolerant attitude towards Kazakhs and Tajiks - and in general towards any nations, but you are talking about official translations in such a way that one may get the feeling that in Kazakhstan everything is so much better than in Russia that one can become envious - don’t awaken the beast in me. Keep quiet about money - I ask you to be humane, otherwise I too will join the camp of the Nazis: ((((
              1. Marek Rozny
                +5
                April 28 2013 22: 13
                Hey, I'm not afraid of your hamster))))
                Whether it’s bad or good in Kazakhstan, Russian business has begun to slowly move to Kazakhstan, and the Russian government is sounding the alarm because of this. Probably because it’s better in Russia...
                And it’s difficult to meet a Kazakh who has come to work in Moscow, but in Astana there are more than enough Russians working here. Also probably because it’s better in Russia.
                In Kazakhstan there are no problems with Chechens, Kurds, Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Koreans, Slavs, Germans and others, unlike Russia. Although we have 40% of non-title people. This does not take into account migrants (of whom there are also even more per capita than in Russia). Does the Kazakh have any complaints against migrants? None. They all walk smoothly, practically do not violate the Criminal Code, and they address accusations of illegal work primarily to their Kazakh citizens who employ them.
                Maybe it’s enough to already perceive Russia as the only normal model of development? Maybe it's time to see how neighbors solve similar problems? Then there will be no need to become a Nazi. Kazakhstan and Russia had too much in common at the start in 1991, and Russia had much better starting positions than us. Kazakhs do not hesitate to study Russian, European, Asian experience in various fields and apply it to themselves, adapting it to their realities. And Russia has always stood with its back to Kazakhstan. “Why turn around - can these Kazakhs do anything worthwhile?” Even the Baltic countries have already begun to come to work here. Why invent something? Look at our tax code, how we work with minorities, how we educate Kazakhstanis (and in three languages ​​at the same time - Kazakh, Russian, English), how we work with migrants. There is no need to suffer from masochism. At one time, German Gref and other Kremlin officials began to study the Kazakh experience in some matters, but the current cabinet has again turned its back and is monitoring the situation in Cyprus more than paying attention to the affairs of its neighbors.
                1. -1
                  April 30 2013 09: 32
                  It’s very interesting - Russian business has begun to move. It’s simply incredible - do you have any idea how many businessmen need to move from Russia for this to become at least somehow noticeable? And there cannot be Russian business in KZ - since 28% of Russians live there. I can’t say that conditions in Russia are favorable, but shouting that businessmen are moving to KZ is generally nonsense. I read a post somewhere - that 9 out of 10 bullets from Kazakh lead were made during the war. Perhaps lead bullets? That is, for the little ones? It’s interesting how many small things there were during the Second World War.
            2. 0
              April 28 2013 17: 45
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny
              dddym legitimately noted that there may be a feeling that everything is so much better in Kazakhstan
              Does it really happen that absolutely is everything better?
              Looks like... (everyone knows)
  95. sleepy
    +4
    April 28 2013 02: 49
    "Genetic studies have shown that Russians are one of the most purebred peoples in Eurasia. Recent joint research by Russian, British and Estonian genetic scientists has put a big and bold end to the common Russophobic myth that has been infiltrated into people’s consciousness for decades - they say, “Scratch a Russian and you will definitely find a Tatar.
    The results of a large-scale experiment published in a scientific journal
    “The American Journal of Human Genetics” [1] clearly states that “despite the popular opinions about the strong Tatar and Mongol admixture in the blood of Russians, which their ancestors inherited during the Tatar-Mongol invasion, the haplogroups of the Turkic peoples and other Asian ethnic groups are practically left no trace on the population of the modern northwestern, central and southern regions."
    http://gifakt.ru/archives/index/russkie-odin-iz-samyx-chistokrovnyx-narodov-v-ev
    razii-2/

    Like this. In this long-standing debate, one can safely put an end to and consider further discussions on this subject simply inappropriate.

    We are not Tatars. The Tatars are not us.
    No influence on Russian so-called genes. “Mongol-Tatar yoke” did not work.
    We Russians did not have and do not have any admixture of “Horde blood”.

    “Another fact was not surprising to scientists: the genetic variations of the Y chromosome of the inhabitants of the central and southern regions of Ancient Rus' turned out to be not only almost identical to those of the “Slavic brothers” - Ukrainians and Belarusians, but also very close in structure to the variations of the Poles.”
    http://www.gazeta.ru/science/2008/01/14_a_2552231.shtml

    “Scientists have also determined the far boundaries of the habitat of our ancestors: “analysis of bone remains indicates that the main zone of contact between Caucasians and people of the Mongoloid type was in Western Siberia.”
    And if you consider that archaeologists who excavated the most ancient burials of the 1st millennium BC. on the territory of Altai, they found the remains of distinctly Caucasoid people there (not to mention the world-famous Arkaim)? then the conclusion is obvious. Our ancestors (ancient Russians, Proto-Slavs)? originally lived throughout the entire territory of modern Russia, including Siberia, and quite possibly the Far East.
    So the campaign of Ermak Timofeevich and his comrades beyond the Urals, from this point of view, was a completely legitimate return of previously lost territories."
    Источник:http://www.rod.mk.ua/2011-04-25-21-03-27/166-2012-04-28-07-48-4
    5.html#ixzz2RhsZBP3J

    “Modern science is destroying Russophobic stereotypes and myths, cutting the ground from under the feet of our “friends” - liberals. Their further speculation on these topics is completely beyond the bounds of common sense, being of interest exclusively to psychiatrists who study the mechanisms of obsessive delusions...
    We are no longer interested in this. The truth is established.
    We are Russians!"
    http://via-midgard.info/news/in_russia/12718-mif-o-tataro-mongolskom-ige.html
  96. +3
    April 28 2013 04: 34
    didn’t finish reading everything. Not interesting.. comments to the last... Not interesting...
    My brother lived in the Chorukh-dayron district of the Leninobad region (then, not Khojent region, as now) I was there in 78 and 87... I remember that I brought my wife to Tajikistan in 1986 for the first time! SHE WAS NOT SURPRISED BY WHAT TAJIK WOMEN ARE DOING IN AREKS, BUT BY THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MUCH “SHORTAGES” IN THE LOCAL STORES, BY OUR STANDARDS. LATER, BY MY WORK, I WAS THE “BOSS” OF ALL BOSSES AMONG THE VISITING “BOIERS” FROM KI RGISII, UZBEKISTON, TAJIKISTON... IN THE FIELDS OF IMPROVEMENT OF THE CITY OF EKATIRENBURG. I UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THEIR MENTALITY, AND ALSO THEIR LANGUAGE...
    GOD FORbid US FROM THIS HORDE
    WHO WILL "BAZLE" - SEND TO ME, AND I WILL TELL THEM ABOUT THEIR FIGHTS WITHOUT RULES, FOR THEIR THREATS TO KILL ME, IF I WOULDN'T "SING TO THEIR TUDE"... MY MOTHER IN 41-45 FIGHTED INCLUDING THEM, AND I WILL NOT DISSAME MY MOTHER (LEASED NOW SINCE 2009)...
    1. +1
      April 29 2013 09: 19
      Quote: sscha
      lived in the Chorukh-dayronsky district of the Leninobad region
      Then they should know what was mined there. But new historians moved that deposit all the way to Kazakhstan, where absolutely everything is fine. Of course, like everything else, only in words
      1. 0
        1 May 2013 11: 49
        You wouldn’t know... My brother worked there as chief technologist! My other specialty is a ferroalloy smelter, so I am familiar with the metals of the “heavy” group (niobium, vanadium, gadolinium, etc.... Are you talking about this?)
        1. 0
          1 May 2013 20: 43
          Quote: sscha
          Are you talking about it?
          Exactly, only one... in the heat of reprinting and retelling leading newspaper articles, moved this to the north
    2. Rustiger
      0
      April 29 2013 13: 50
      Quote: sscha
      GOD FORbid US FROM THIS HORDE
      WHO WILL "BAZLE" - SEND TO ME, AND I WILL TELL THEM ABOUT THEIR FIGHTS WITHOUT RULES, FOR THEIR THREATS TO KILL ME, IF I WOULDN'T "SING TO THEIR TUDE"... MY MOTHER IN 41-45 FIGHTED INCLUDING THEM, AND I WILL NOT DISSAME MY MOTHER (LEASED NOW SINCE 2009)...

      I’m ready to stand next to you, Sasha! Shoulder to shoulder! Look, others are catching up too! Know this, brother!
  97. +1
    April 28 2013 06: 17
    “In particular, the main foreign policy department of Tajikistan stated that a real information campaign, fueled by the media, has unfolded in Russia, the purpose of which is to humiliate the dignity of the Tajik Republic and discredit its authority.” - You have already insulted yourself by the fact that millions of Tajiks cannot feed their families!!!
  98. -2
    April 28 2013 08: 36
    Somehow, over the course of 20 years, all internationalism disappeared from me. It’s time to introduce a visa regime, but they won’t introduce it because their own government is too corrupt, money has clouded their conscience. They say that they don’t have enough of their own labor force, that the Americans will come, build their bases, and let them build. Military gentlemen, recently on REN TV they showed about tectonic weapons, if you are not lying, then shake the bases slightly so that they disappear, it is difficult to prove that an earthquake is artificial, who is stopping our “friends” from cheering up.
  99. 0
    April 28 2013 10: 19
    I see here again the Kazakhs are zealously proving that no one expelled the Russians from Kazakhstan.....these are arrogant scum, how did they get them with their arrogance and unwillingness to answer for their deeds, what an alliance....THE CREATURES WITH A HARD IRON!
    1. Marek Rozny
      +3
      April 28 2013 14: 13
      Dymok, come to Kazakhstan. It’s not me, but the local Russians who will punch you in the face so you don’t talk nonsense.
      1. Marek Rozny
        +9
        April 28 2013 14: 23
        Quote: Smoke
        I see here again the Kazakhs are zealously proving that no one expelled the Russians from Kazakhstan.....these are arrogant scum, how did they get them with their arrogance and unwillingness to answer for their deeds, what an alliance....THE CREATURES WITH A HARD IRON!

        And most importantly, Dymok, remember - write these phrases only in Russian. If you suddenly write in Kazakh “Long live Russian-Kazakh friendship!”, then you will be banned for violating the rules of the site. And you can write “kill the Kazakh creatures” in Russian. This does not contradict the site rules. Here I have 6 bans for being a “nationalist and chauvinist”. But you, Dymok, incite hatred on the site from morning to night, but judging by the reaction of the admins towards you, I believe they consider you an internationalist, a defender of the Russian people and just a sweetheart.
        With people like you, I will soon be banned from the site, but the “smokeys” will remain. Do you know why? There are an absolute majority of Kazakhs like me, so Kazakhs can be sent to ban every day, there won’t be fewer of them. And people like you need to be taken care of. True, this should not be done by administrators, but by doctors.
        The only pity is that the more smokes, the faster the Russians turn from an incorporating super-ethnic group into a petty principality with petty ambitions.
        1. Marek Rozny
          +10
          April 28 2013 19: 26
          Thank you to the admins for removing Smoke's statement. These provocateurs really provoke the Kazakhs into harsh responses, despite the threat of a ban. Honestly, I got it. Instead of reading articles and arguing on the topic, you have to prove that you are not a donkey, that no one kicked out the Russians, that the Kazakhs even before the Soviet regime knew what the alphabet and hygiene were, etc. It’s unpleasant to answer, but none of the Kazakhs will ignore such messages while it hangs without moderation.
          I don’t come here to give lectures about Kazakh history (although that’s actually what happens), but to read news. But when smokes and dusts start boasting that they taught the Kazakhs to urinate, or when someone else starts writing about the “primordial Russian lands” in the Kazakh steppe - excuse me...
          And I will protect the Kyrgyz and Tajiks. Just like Russians or Azerbaijanis. Because they are ours. And it’s too bad that some Russians don’t understand that now he’s shouting “Tajiks are robbing us! Down with the Uzbeks!”, but tomorrow he’ll be shouting “Smolensk/Ryazan/Samara/Muscovites/Novosibirsk people are robbing us! Down with the adversaries!”
        2. +1
          April 29 2013 21: 49
          I completely agree with Marek Rozny! Many (not all) complete chauvinists have gathered here who do not understand that Russian is not only a nationality, but, first of all, belonging to a cultural and linguistic community. For that, everyone understands the provocateurs and trolls who throw “wood on the fire” of interethnic hatred.
          I'm from Belarus. Let's introduce visas for everyone. Next step: a visa to Moscow for residents of Smolensk and Tver and other regions, since in Moscow there are “the most Russians” smile , but it won't be funny...
          And it was in vain that they attacked the Kyrgyz tm70-71.
          1. +2
            April 30 2013 15: 18
            What you say is correct, but what kind of community can there be if national diasporas are being created all around, from the North Caucasus to the Chinese? There are laws of sociology and they clearly say that if there are a lot of migrants, then they do not assimilate, but become isolated in communities based on their nationality, and this at the social level is cancerous tumors. Russia would like to deal with the problems of the North Caucasus, and then there is Central Asia and the Chinese and others. What the heck.. I’m not saying that they are all bad, but there is no cultural and linguistic community with them and they are not needed here in millions of quantities.
  100. +4
    April 28 2013 11: 03
    I'm absolutely sure. that the number of migrants should be strictly limited. Anyone who thinks otherwise should talk to the Kosovo Serbs about this topic. And I give our Foreign Ministry a big thumbs down for the very fact of such hysterics from our neighbors. I don’t remember anything like Mexico’s demarches towards the United States, or Cuba’s armed attack on Miami.
    1. 0
      April 28 2013 13: 32
      I agree with you. But there is one BUT, the fact is that our employers offer low-paid work, that the Russian simply does not go for it and does not even take the bait. And the same Tajiks and Uzbeks are coming. Because for them it’s a lot of money, taking into account the ruble exchange rate. And this is enough to feed their families there in Tajikistan. This is where the interethnic problem comes from.
      1. MG42
        +5
        April 28 2013 18: 37
        Here you need to weigh all the pros and cons, on one side of the scales there is cheap slave power like Tajiks, which is in demand for “illiquid” vacancies in the Russian Federation, on the other, a source of unsanitary conditions, crime and a drug trafficking channel
        Here is a photo of boarding the train Moscow - Dushanbe, these trunks can contain anything

        It will soon be somewhat reminiscent of Indian trains, where passengers sit on the roofs of the cars.
        But the Tajiks have nothing to be offended since they don’t interfere with someone else’s monastery with their own charter, if this channel is closed for them, then where will they find work there again, the Basmachi will go to work.
        1. MG42
          +2
          April 28 2013 19: 56
          Regarding the “Basmachi”, I’ll add about their neighbors - the Uzbeks >> back in Soviet times, at the football club “Neftchi” there was such a club, the fans shouted = the Basmachi came down from the mountains - this is the Neftchi society lol , of course, interethnic issues were not so relevant then, but still, what is happening now in Moscow with these prayer services when the streets of the capital are blocked is no longer in any way.
          this is how it will be soon if not Onishchenko
          1. +2
            April 29 2013 00: 22
            Quote: MG42
            Regarding the “Basmachi”, I’ll add about their neighbors - the Uzbeks >> back in Soviet times, at the football club “Neftchi” there was such a club, the fans shouted = the Basmachi came down from the mountains - this is the Neftchi society lol , of course, interethnic issues were not so relevant then, but still, what is happening now in Moscow with these prayer services when the streets of the capital are blocked is no longer in any way.
            this is how it will be soon if not Onishchenko

            “Neftchi” still exists, in the same place where it was, that is, in Azerbaijan. And to clean the streets, the Ministry of Internal Affairs has watering machines
            like this for example. Called BAT RCU 6000,
            1. 0
              April 29 2013 00: 54
              Quote: perepilka
              Called BAT RCU 6000
              The equipment is serious, but it can’t clean everything. Where to put your creatures, it won’t drown?
            2. +1
              April 29 2013 11: 26
              Quote: perepilka
              “Neftchi” still exists, in the same place where it was, that is, in Azerbaijan.

              You are extremely wrong! Both in the Soviet years and today, I know of two football teams with the name “Neftchi”. Accordingly, in the Soviet years they were called “Neftyanik”. One of Wed. Asia, one from Azerbaijan.
              1. WW3
                WW3
                +2
                April 29 2013 16: 47
                Apparently this meant the Neftchi Football Club (Uzbek “Neftchi” Fargʻona futbol klubi) - an Uzbek football club founded in 1962 in the city of Fergana.
      2. Rustiger
        0
        April 29 2013 23: 28
        Quote: Delink
        our employers offer low-paid jobs that Russians simply don’t take and don’t even take the bait.

        Here I am working as a deputy. directors in construction a medium-sized company and, among other things, I am responsible for the selection of personnel. I will tell you gently that you are mistaken. It will take a long time to explain before I send it here -

        http://www.zavtra.ru/content/view/u-sanitarov-zamena/
        1. +1
          April 30 2013 22: 14
          Quote: Rustiger
          http://www.zavtra.ru/content/view/u-sanitarov-zamena/


          Looks like a duck. An aspiring lawyer, this so-called reduction will be erased into dust. And the question is, can anyone voice the salary range for an ambulance paramedic in Moscow?
      3. +3
        1 May 2013 12: 00
        I agree with everything that has been said, except for one thing - that’s why employers don’t give much, knowing that migrant workers will come for this salary with a competition of 3 people for one place! hi (Believe me, I worked in this system myself.)

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