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Indignant Tajikistan

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Not bad, Tajikistan turned out to be angry with the information that he had heard about himself from Russia during the week. It all started with the fact that Gennady Onishchenko, jointly with the Federal Drug Control Service and immigration authorities, decided to “take a walk” on trains running from Tajikistan to Moscow and back. Then the chief sanitary doctor of Russia caught the Tajik railway carriers saying that they keep their compositions in unsanitary condition. They and his subordinates inspected the cars of the Tajik train and found numerous violations of sanitary standards: from sleeping places to the dining car.


Specialists from the Federal Drug Control Service reported that lately the Dushanbe-Moscow and Kulyab-Moscow trains have become the most genuine courier trains for transporting narcotic drugs from the countries of Central Asia to Russia, which, not without the help of conductors, were equipped to transport opiates.

The migration services had a question that trains from Dushanbe annually bring thousands of illegal immigrants to Russia, who move from Tajikistan to the technical wagon boxes, trying to hide from checks at the customs.
Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government Dmitry Rogozin also took part in inspections of the Tajik trains. Rogozin attended to the fact that Tajik citizens enter Russia with internal passports of Tajikistan, which does not allow identification, as expressed by the vice-premier.

After checking the Tajik trains, it was decided to create special points at which you would be selectively checking the passengers of these trains for the presence of drugs in the blood and urine. If this availability is determined, then such a person will be permanently denied entry into the territory of the Russian Federation. Such measures for many labor migrants from Tajikistan who enter Russia are effective and at the same time very frightening, because to lose the very possibility of entering Russia means losing the opportunity to earn money, since in Tajikistan itself the situation with the labor market is, to put it mildly, not brilliant, and Russia for many men is the only opportunity to feed the family.

Indignant Tajikistan


The actions of the Russian inspection bodies caused outrage among the Tajik authorities. In particular, the main foreign ministry of Tajikistan said that a real information campaign had unfolded in Russia, fueled by the media, the purpose of which was to humiliate the dignity of the Republic of Tajikistan and discredit its authority.

The representative of the Tajik Foreign Ministry Abulfaiz Atoev said that the campaign was so powerful that Russia decided to use even federal officials in it. At the same time, Atoev emphasized that Russia, for some reason, draws attention exclusively to Tajik labor migrants, although, according to his data, the total number of guest workers in the Russian Federation is about 13 of millions of people.

The indignation of the Tajik authorities continued after the words that one of the main political showmen of Russia, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, gave out on television. The leader of the Liberal Democratic Party in the duel program, in particular, stated:
They know that Russia has money. Pay more! Here we tell them, we will no longer take your workers to us to work. Then what will Rahmon (head of the republic) do? He is well aware that he is finished. For the Afghan Islamists will trample Tajikistan. And he, like Najibullah, will be hanged in the center of Dushanbe.


The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Tajikistan expressed its outrage at the words of Vladimir Zhirinovsky, calling them offensive and not in line with the spirit of the traditional friendship of Tajikistan and the Russian Federation.

In addition, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Tajikistan said that Dmitry Rogozin, who checked Tajik trains, distorts the facts, speaking of Tajik passports. The same Atoev remarked that Tajik citizens, it turns out, buy their tickets for the train to Russia, solely on foreign passports, because the train has to cross the territory of those states (Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan), with which Tajikistan still has there remains a visa regime.

On mere statements about insults to Tajikistan by Russian officials and media representatives, the matter did not end. Tajik parliamentarians decided to appeal to their Russian colleagues and protest against the tirades of the LDPR leader. Apparently, the surname Rakhmon mentioned by Zhirinovsky in combination with the phrase “hang in the center of Dushanbe” made the Tajik deputies react so violently.

Certainly, with “hanging” Rakhmon Vladimir Volfovich enough. But the Tajik deputies themselves need to be asked: why after the Russian-Tajik summit talks a few months ago, the ratification of the agreement on extending the terms of the Russian military base in Tajikistan has not yet been implemented? What prevents, if not the desire to receive from Russia more and more, not previously discussed "bonuses"? Zhirinovsky - he is not Tajik, and therefore, without unnecessary oriental ornateness, all the dots on “i”, revealing the Tajik wishes in a somewhat dubious form to have certain benefits from Russia.

After such incidents "on the carpet" in Dushanbe, Russian Ambassador Yuri Popov was summoned, who was handed a note with indignation about the political "arbitrariness" on the part of Russia towards Tajikistan.

In order to demonstrate their readiness to deliver a kind of retaliatory strike, in Tajikistan they decided to get rid of information boards and advertising more actively, first of all, in Russian. Now the authorities have announced the translation into Tajik language of even those words that were not in it at all. This campaign in Tajikistan has been called the elimination of “language deficiencies”, and they have already managed to bring to court the cases of several dozen businessmen who use non-Tajik words in the names of their companies. From now on, residents of Tajik cities, in order to have a bite, will have to go not into a bistro, but into a tezpaz, and from 10 Tajiks only one, judging by polls, was able to understand what kind of institution is hidden under this kind of signboard. And if the supervisory authorities find a cafe called “Zeus” in Dushanbe or Khujand or, even worse, “Ivan da Marya”, the cafe owners will be fined, even if the cafe offers dishes of Greek and Russian cuisines, respectively ... Apparently, “Zeus” will have to be renamed in “Rakhmon”, and “Ivan da Maryu” in “Mahmudjon and Shakhnozu” - so from the point of view of the Tajik authorities it will be more correct ... Such is the asymmetrical answer ...

But one should not forget that such a clear cooling of relations with Russia is taking place against the background of Tajikistan’s preparations for the presidential elections. The elections themselves will be held this fall, but, despite the fact that there is still enough time before the start of the election campaign, Emomali Rahmon has already announced that his potential rivals should not count on foreign patrons. At the same time, the current president of Tajikistan promised that the elections in the country would be held democratically. So, reassured ...

It is obvious that Mr. Rakhmon understands that if he continues to abuse bilateral relations between Russia and Tajikistan, then there may well be a presidential candidate in Tajikistan who will be more supported by the same Russia. That is why Rakhmon in advance and reports that the rivals do not count on "foreign support". And on whose support does the current president of Tajikistan count in such a case? Really on the national? So it seems that his real rating in the republic hardly reaches fifteen percent ... Although today the main thing is not the voting and not the rating, but the final result ...
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  1. denisey
    denisey April 27 2013 07: 30 New
    159
    And our authorities do not want to try, instead of the eternal gingerbread in the person of 13 million migrant workers who provide accommodation for these and their families, a snout in the form of closing the border, expelling illegal immigrants and introducing a visa regime. Looking and Rohmon with Karim’s ponytails will pinch and close their other openings, otherwise it will be possible to receive from the ears of millions of unemployed citizens.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel April 27 2013 07: 52 New
      128
      An interesting picture. Directly in oil. Not the Russians to them, but they are an avalanche rod and dictate the rules of the game. A strict visa regime with them should not be introduced tomorrow, but yesterday and the border should be guarded as in the USSR with capitalist states. With the same Afghanistan. Break the direct train to the Tajik border, from the Russian border. From wagon to wagon through tight border, sanitary and customs controls. It is easy to apply if the authorities are interested in this. So far, it seems the opposite. Someone benefits from this mess on the border.
      1. tm70-71
        tm70-71 April 27 2013 08: 05 New
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        Dear moderators, a big request is to change the photo, for this article, since the photo depicts the Kyrgyz, but not like Tajiks. Here again, I mean that to write that the images should be wisely, and not on the "ball." representative of the Kyrgyz Republic in this forum, this photo offends.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 08: 09 New
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          Quote: tm70-71
          , a big request is to change the photo, for this article, since the photo depicts the Kyrgyz, but not like Tajiks.

          Exactly, thanks recalled. It is also necessary to introduce a visa regime with Kyrgyzstan, otherwise the dude in the photo painfully impudent.
          1. tm70-71
            tm70-71 April 27 2013 08: 31 New
            -24
            Well, he’s so impudent at home, but not like in Russia, if, what’s in the photo, the rally is dedicated to the elections to the Zhugurka Kenesh (Higher Council) type B, D, in Russia. Come on in, did the insert grow?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 08: 36 New
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              Quote: tm70-71
              Come on, have you grown something?

              Patient for the Russian people, and when patience ends ........... some get clogged in the gap and do not ask questions about plug-ins for the next 50 years.
              1. tm70-71
                tm70-71 April 27 2013 08: 42 New
                -37
                Well, as if you wrote about Russians, only whom do you mean by the word “Russians”? I’m from a multinational family, when my father asked what nationality I write in the column, I thought very much, they wrote -Russian, although there are no Russians in our family , so again I ask who you mean by the word "Russian people".
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 09: 14 New
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                  Quote: tm70-71
                  , only whom do you mean by the word "Russians"?

                  Those who defend Russia, those who respect the culture of Russia, those who defend its interests, those who saved children in Beslan and Nord Ost. And those who love Russia with their hearts, and do not spit in its traditions, culture and citizens. I don’t call these in Russian photos ..
                  1. Alibekulu
                    Alibekulu April 27 2013 09: 30 New
                    -59
                    In this photo, I’m sure most of them are not migrant workers from Middle Asia, but citizens of the Russian Federation from the Caucasian republics .. And, what’s the matter with them, will you also introduce a visa regime ?? !!
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 09: 38 New
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                      Quote: Alibekulu
                      In this photo, I'm sure

                      Did you check the documents personally?
                      Quote: Alibekulu
                      . And, what with them, will you also introduce a visa regime ?? !!

                      What do not like the idea of ​​entering visas wink I understand, but you're tired already hi
                      1. Alibekulu
                        Alibekulu April 27 2013 09: 43 New
                        -45
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I don’t understand the idea of ​​entering visas, but you’re tired of it already


                        Enter ..
                        I honestly sideways ..
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 09: 52 New
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                        Quote: Alibekulu
                        I honestly sideways ..

                        Judging by your minuses, I’m far from sideways wink Suitcase, station, to the hut laughing
                      3. Alibekulu
                        Alibekulu April 27 2013 10: 10 New
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                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Suitcase, station, to the hut

                        Come on dear - send me wink To the house, to the hut good
                      4. Maximus
                        Maximus April 27 2013 17: 15 New
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                        On our taxes Are you up to the hut, not too fat? Maybe something like that?
                      5. Suvorov000
                        Suvorov000 April 29 2013 14: 01 New
                        +3
                        Yes, shazzzz to the hut, in the taiga, cut down the forest or in the Magadas mines, and in ten years, if you’ll still be alive, you’ll eat at your own expense
                      6. alex21411
                        alex21411 April 29 2013 18: 27 New
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                        That's right...
                  2. Rustiger
                    Rustiger April 27 2013 10: 11 New
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                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Suitcase, station, to the hut


                    but you're tired of already


                    That's right, Alexander! Come on 'make the fire of intolerance' fellow
                    And we will support. good T.s "from the spark ignite the flame" and "catch the club of the People's Liberation War" soldier

                    Comrades, we’re approaching, more actively throwing “wood” in the light. Do not piss when they blow you in the ears that the Russians will only get worse from this! It will be worse if you are silent in a rag !!!!
                    The Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia (FEOR) has proposed 11 cities whose residents, in the opinion of the FEOR, need “tolerance centers” similar to the one already operating in Moscow.
                  3. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 10: 34 New
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                    Quote: Rustiger
                    The Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia (FEOR) has proposed 11 cities whose residents, according to the FEOR, need “centers of tolerance”,

                    Let them scratch their America with their tolerance and democracy.
                    Quote: Rustiger
                    Comrades, we’re approaching, more actively throwing “wood” in the light. Do not piss when they blow you in the ears that the Russians will only get worse from this!

                    laughing +
                  4. afire
                    afire April 27 2013 12: 09 New
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                    I with all two hands FOR) heh) to the hut - to the hut and not jingle winked
              2. Rustiger
                Rustiger April 27 2013 10: 21 New
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                Quote: Alibekulu
                I honestly sideways ..

                Then why are you so excited?
                Do not bother, smoke while gashik aside. Now we are joking over the tajs. . . Kazakhs are not in business yet. . .
              3. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu April 27 2013 10: 42 New
                +6
                Quote: Rustiger
                Then why are you so excited?
                Do not bother, smoke while gashik aside. Now we are joking over the tajs. . . Kazakhs are not in business yet


                Yeah, so ... yank over you laughing
                “God, how great your menagerie is!”

                Pancake crying We are waiting, we will not wait when you take up the Kazakhs ..
                By this time, I’m probably getting old ..
                You first have to put your SELF in order: with your "garbage" in Moscow and in the regions .. just an elementary order .. otherwise everything is on the forums ..
              4. Nikolai N
                Nikolai N April 27 2013 11: 39 New
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                What is your order? What do you all roam in camp in Russia? At home and live, restore order. We don’t have to tell us what to do at home. Dig your ditch at your village and do not go along with advice. We can do without you
              5. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu April 27 2013 14: 28 New
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                Quote: Nicholas N
                And what is your order? What do you all roam in camp in Russia?

                There is no order good
                Show me the Kazakh camp in Rasea ?! I will be grateful hi

                We don’t have to tell us what to do at home.

                I totally agree..Vaselenko hear that Nikolayka said: There is nothing for us (KAZAKHAM) to indicate what to do, we are at home.

                at your village

                You know, I have never seen a village ...

                We can do without you


                We already do without you ...
              6. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 14: 39 New
                +6
                Quote: Alibekulu
                There is nothing for us (KAZAKHAM) to indicate what to do, we are at home.

                for heaven’s sake, you’re at home, just don’t forget that at home there are about 4 million Russians who also have the right to their opinion
                Quote: Alibekulu
                We already do without you ...

                Yes, not very
              7. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu April 27 2013 15: 22 New
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                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                just do not forget that at home there are still about 4 million Russians


                Oh how fellow 4 million ... yes well belay

                They immediately write that we are Russian:
                Quote: Andrey57
                ..very many people .. survived from the city of Uralsk, ..


                drove thousands of our families out of their homes without humiliation, about humiliation, etc .... my friends from .. and Kazakhstan abandoned apartments, cars


                And after reading the above, I inadvertently thought that they weren’t already request
              8. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 15: 34 New
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                Quote: Alibekulu
                Oh how fellow 4 million .. yeah belay

                But what do you not refute in numbers?
                name your digit
              9. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu April 27 2013 16: 05 New
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                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                But what do you not refute in numbers?


                Darn.. am I told him about Erema, and he told me about Thomas ..
                Ah, I'm not going to refute
                And with this figure, I agree .. and the Russians in K-no and more will be ..
                I, that having read their comments - i.e. for example Andrey57
                I began to think ... there are no Russians in Kazakhstan belay Everyone was kicked out .. everyone was taken away .. everyone was genocidal ..
              10. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 17: 16 New
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                Quote: Alibekulu
                Everyone was kicked out .. everyone was taken away .. everyone was genocidal ..

                not all were still left, but given how much it was, they just kicked out
        2. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu April 29 2013 02: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          just do not forget that at home there are still about 4 million Russians who also have the right to their opinion


          Here we just do not forget and take into account .. Ask Focker, concept1, Kirill110, Dmitriy85 - they are precisely those whose interests you are supposedly "protecting" ..
          Even ia-ai00, although he clearly does not like the Kazakhs, in his beloved Rasea, for some reason he is not in a hurry request
          By God, I think the Kazakhs will support me: Marek, Kasym, Aksakal, Semurg, Beck.. and others .. I’m ready to throw her a ticket to her beloved RF (away from the Kazakhs so hated by her) ..
          Even,vladsolo56who, like you, as soon as you can, watering Kazakhstan .. even he, who believes that Russians are severely discriminated in K-ne, nevertheless YOUR NATIVE MOTHER!?? belay
          doesn't take to himself how to do grateful son negative and leaves Kazakhs to be discriminated against in semi-feudal Kazakhstan ...
        3. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 29 2013 10: 24 New
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          at the expense of "do not rush," I have written many times about the reasons
          into the account "watering Kazakhstan as soon as possible .." can you give an example where I doused the RK with mud?
          and thirdly, are we grazing sheep together? it seems not. so why are you poking me? !!!
        4. baltika-18
          baltika-18 April 29 2013 17: 05 New
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          Quote: Alibekulu
          Raseyu

          Minus for neglect.
        5. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu 2 May 2013 17: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          Minus for neglect.

          Another "celestial" fool

          Nappugall belay
          I have these minuses ..

          "Scatter my you scatter
          From the Volga to the Yenisei "

          Lyrics for Lyube

          Write to Rastorguev. angry
  2. Grey74
    Grey74 April 27 2013 16: 37 New
    +7
    We already do without you ...

    What to say? Well done, you can only rejoice))) And everyone should restore order in his house. And guests not invited to exhibit if necessary.
  3. karbofos
    karbofos April 27 2013 23: 03 New
    0
    who, who, and Kazakhs feel sweet in Russia. can be said to be chic. Russians in Kazakhstan do not behave this way
  4. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 28 2013 11: 32 New
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    Kazakhs in Russia (Orenburg, Astrakhan, Saratov, Omsk and other areas) - live on their own land. And their ancestors lived there when the Rurikovich did not even think to reach the Volga, the Urals and Siberia. What are your complaints about the indigenous people? In general, Kazakhs in Russia live on average. There are no oligarchs and nouveau riche among them. The overwhelming majority of Russian Kazakhs traditionally serve either in the army / Ministry of Internal Affairs or in agriculture.
    There are only Russian diasporas of Kazakhs outside their native land in Moscow and St. Petersburg, but their number is small there, and the vast majority of this diaspora are students who do not stay in Moscow. The remaining small part of the capital's diasporas are Kazakhs, who have been living there since Soviet times from the 60-70s (they remained after universities).
    Kazakhs from Kazakhstan to Russia for work or permanent residence do not go to Russia, only on short business trips from their enterprises.
    Do you want to introduce visas with Kazakhstan - for God's sake, for an ordinary Kazakh it is a light bulb. But Kazakhstani Russians, who have relatives in their small homelands in Russia, spoil life, kanesha, by this deed. Yes, and complicate your life for your small entrepreneurs who constantly wind up in KZ.
    Russians in the KZ live in the same way as Kazakhs. No better, no worse. So calm down with your "noisy-no-noisy".
  5. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak April 28 2013 11: 50 New
    +5
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Kazakhs in Russia (Orenburg, Astrakhan, Saratov, Omsk and other areas) - live on their own land.

    Well, what are you arguing about? No one claims against those who are Russian and live in Russia. We are talking about visiting Central Asians. And in general, please Remember that ALL of our land is a piece of 1 m. X 2 m X 2 m. It is allocated for everyone who has been, is and will be. And no more measured. If you are not an outstanding person.
  6. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 28 2013 13: 13 New
    0
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Kazakhs from Kazakhstan to Russia for work or permanent residence do not go to Russia, only on short business trips from their enterprises.
    from the fact that you say halva 100 times in your mouth, it won’t be sweeter, and you go to work and get permanent residence, definitely not in such amounts as from Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan, but enough, and permanent residence is also not enough
  7. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 28 2013 13: 17 New
    +3
    Vasilenko, do not mind brains. Kazakhs who go to Russia are a negligible amount. Ethnic Russians who move to Kazakhstan to work are many times more. Although yes, in your head - in Kazakhstan, devastation, cannibalism, total poverty ...
  8. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 28 2013 13: 21 New
    0
    Firstly, try not to be rude, secondly, you don’t have data on the number of rides, but at the same time you declare that you don’t go at all, then go to the criterion “insignificant amount”, simply mislead people
  9. Land
    Land April 28 2013 13: 50 New
    +3
    Well done! Kazakhs are in vain equated with Tajiks. Uzbeks and, especially, to the Kyrgyz! This is a proud and patient people! Although, in every nation there are small black spots - this is the law.
  10. baltika-18
    baltika-18 April 29 2013 17: 07 New
    -1
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    So calm down

    Minus for poking.
  11. grandfather
    grandfather April 28 2013 02: 47 New
    +2
    from nose to mouth, you can do without Russians.
  12. kush62
    kush62 April 28 2013 03: 56 New
    +3
    It is from such illiterates that the nationalists (read fascists) and other cheers-patriots crawl out. Just think of the Tajiks mixed up with the Kyrgyz, found villages in Kazakhstan, etc. But if they find where in another error, already rushing. They cannot write correctly, but they are Russian. And all the other woof ... but.
  13. bear
    bear April 27 2013 15: 33 New
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    I have Kazakh friends, good people. And I often go to Kazakhstan. There is the same mess as in Russia. And there is the same bickering among themselves, Russian Kazakh, Uzbek, Tajik, Kyrgyz without a difference. Good people live together, bad like dogs, immediately pay attention to how you pray to God and who you are by nationality
  14. vladeinord
    vladeinord April 28 2013 17: 22 New
    +6
    I agree with the Bear. I also have Kazakh friends, and I myself am from the Urals. We normally communicate with them, make friends and drink together. It makes no difference to us who is praying to any god, if only the person was good!
  15. Bekzat
    Bekzat 3 May 2013 14: 37 New
    +1
    I greet everyone, for Medved, I also have a close friend, their name is Sergey, his father is Russian, and his mother is Ukrainian, and nothing, we are friends of families, we drink with him and sometimes we sing Ukrainian, Russian and sometimes Kazakh songs, even Uzbek (heard about the Yalla group?). + Dear you !!! And insults, recently the site is often replete with insults to a different faith or nationality. It's a pity.
  16. sergei
    sergei April 27 2013 17: 10 New
    0
    and have you put things in order?
  17. Warrawar
    Warrawar April 27 2013 17: 25 New
    -3
    Quote: Alibekulu
    You have to infuse YOURSELF first to restore order

    You obviously got it. We will deal with our garbage, this is our problem and not yours, and do not dare to get into it. But we don’t really want to deal with “your” garbage that you export to us. You’d better do it yourself outside of our state.
  18. Suvorov000
    Suvorov000 April 29 2013 14: 05 New
    -1
    That’s the problem, all our garbage, this is the garbage that you all the time you want me to throw to us and make such a mine, they say, we don’t
  19. washi
    washi April 27 2013 15: 04 New
    +4
    Why visa? There are invitation cards. You need? Teach your profession, language, give a ticket, provide housing.
  20. washi
    washi April 27 2013 14: 58 New
    -11
    What do you, O Great Lord, do not like Muslims? In Muscovy since tsarist times, janitors have been Tatars - Muslims. It was under Stalin that the students competed with them. Caucasus - the same Chechens, Dagestanis, etc. converted to Christianity before the Slavs. Orthodox clergy are to blame for the fact that the Caucasus and Central Asia have become a stronghold of Islam. We sat and collected loot. Unleashed the struggle with the Old Believers - the last followers of the true church. Destroyed non-possessors.
    All churches are an instrument of submission. Only Christian religions require money, while Muslim religions give money on the contrary - they are financed by both the West and the East
    Asians (Asians are those who are before the Rhine, with the exception of schizos - Poles) need a firm hand.
  21. Flooding
    Flooding April 27 2013 16: 26 New
    +6
    Quote: Vasya
    Orthodox clergy are to blame for the fact that the Caucasus and Central Asia have become a stronghold of Islam. We sat and collected loot. Unleashed the struggle with the Old Believers - the last followers of the true church. Destroyed non-possessors.

    You somehow try not to disturb everything in the salad.
    A gullible citizen can draw hasty conclusions from this mishmash, such as:
    - The Caucasus was completely Christian
    - Moreover, Orthodox, akin to Russian ancient Orthodoxy
    - further events developed according to two scenarios:
    1. decided to renounce, lamenting at the sight of Russian co-religionists and money-grubbers (with whom did they communicate there? Well, obviously not with the holy fathers)
    2. have crossed over into the Muslim faith, seeing the persecution that followed the church schism. It is strange that the Old Believers themselves remained faithful to the faith of the forefathers. Although a lot of them moved to the Caucasus.

    Bullshit and heresy. Be ashamed.
  22. Vasily T.
    Vasily T. April 30 2013 03: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: Vasya
    Caucasus - the same Chechens, Dagestanis, etc. converted to Christianity before the Slavs.

    What textbook did you read?
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg April 27 2013 11: 42 New
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    Quote: Alibekulu
    In this photo, I’m sure most of them are not migrant workers from Middle Asia, but citizens of the Russian Federation from the Caucasian republics .. And, what’s the matter with them, will you also introduce a visa regime ?? !!


    A strict regime of detention and confiscation will most likely be introduced with them ...
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 27 2013 15: 20 New
      +5
      In the photo, 100% of the Central Asians, most likely the Mongols of the Kyrgyz Republic, in the Caucasus, the Mongoloids are mostly Nogays, but they are definitely not in the photo.
  • Good Ukraine
    Good Ukraine April 27 2013 14: 08 New
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    stop
    Quote: Alibekulu
    And, what with them, will you also introduce a visa regime ?? !!

    It is high time to introduce a visa regime with many republics of the former USSR.
    And what turns out. People go to Russia to earn money. For handouts, the governments of these countries also go to Russia. And the ass - they lick the West, and visas do not interfere.
    1. yak69
      yak69 April 27 2013 16: 45 New
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      Quote: Good Ukraine
      It is high time to introduce a visa regime with many republics of the former USSR.

      About the same spirit at the time (at the state dacha in Novo-Ogaryovo in 90), a hunchbacked one spoke out: “Get these Asians to us, unite the Slavic republics, and let the rest go wherever they want!”
      The complete dissociation of the once unified space of the USSR is beneficial to the world behind the scenes. This will weaken Russia, too, unfriendly neighbors will multiply at their side: the Baltic states (all fiercely "friends" to one), Moldova (already close to a degree of hatred), Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan (at the earliest opportunity, Aliyev Jr. will stab into Russia’s back! ), Georgia (we are starting to put up), Kazakhstan (it is already actively pursuing a separate two-faced policy), Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan (while balancing, due to the presence of the European population of the USSR), Tajikistan (on the verge).
      Dear forum users, moderate your intensity of chauvinism-nationalism! We need peace. And with the neighbors we also need a strong friendship. We need to strengthen and develop ties with our neighbors in every way. To carry out cultural, informational, commercial and industrial expansion in the territory of the former USSR! We need to become leaders among neighbors and rally them around us. Our strength is unity, and weakening is contention.
      Another question is that it is necessary to actively and without hesitation to pursue a policy of serious pressure on such as Rakhmonov, Aliyev, Karim, Berdimuhamedov, Atambaev, Nazarbayev. And if these condoms ... uh, excuse the presidents, they do not want to move in the wake of Russian politics, then they need to be changed. Simple and decisive.
      We have two ways: to become a great and powerful empire (with all the attendant costs of this process) or to die on the sidelines of globalization.
      What do you choose?
    2. soaring
      soaring April 27 2013 19: 33 New
      +6
      Here !!! You dare the truth! We need to be friends with nations, and presidents come and go .... Only here young people are brought up in hatred for each other, and this is scary! I was born in the USSR and served with guys of different nationalities, with many of whom I still maintain correspondence on the Internet. You can remain friends with people of different faiths. It’s a pity that politicians and various overseas wits ** who need to turn everything into dust in order to show their superiority do not want this ... Regards! drinks
    3. Good Ukraine
      Good Ukraine April 27 2013 20: 17 New
      +6
      yes
      Quote: yak69
      About the same spirit at the time (at the state dacha in Novo-Ogaryovo in 90), a hunchbacked one spoke out: “Get these Asians to us, unite the Slavic republics, and let the rest go wherever they want!”

      It's not about Asians and Ukrainians. The case in relation to citizens and leaders of countries and republics to Russia. One gets the impression that everyone thinks in the proverb "eat fish and drive a car."
      What should Russia do? “So do as you do.” Purely economic methods put in a "stall".
      Everyone who is trying to be inadequately independent is today on the verge of economic collapse.
    4. Ronin201
      Ronin201 1 May 2013 16: 34 New
      -1
      Friendship say? You read the comments, many people want to knock out their teeth for a rotten bazaar. to the Russians-chovignyugs with a tablecloth a path to Zadrischensk in the Zazhopy province
  • Ronin201
    Ronin201 1 May 2013 16: 36 New
    -1
    Any Ukrainians ??? smile
  • washi
    washi April 27 2013 14: 40 New
    +3
    In this I agree with you. And under the tsar and under Soviet rule in St. Petersburg and Moscow there were many Muslims. Muslims were under Kievan Rus. Not only that, they prayed in the same buildings. There is evidence of this. Why do churchmen not want to revive this? According to the traditions of Islam, ANY person can go to the mosque at any time. And in the Orthodox Church, reception hours, and face control, in the form of mostly illiterate servants, are present. Who will people be drawn to?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 27 2013 16: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Vasya
      And under the tsar and under Soviet rule in St. Petersburg and Moscow there were many Muslims

      How much is this? As a percentage. Give the numbers, Hon.
      Quote: Vasya
      Not only that, they prayed in the same buildings. There is evidence of this.

      Somewhere I already heard this song. Is it you that Muslims can go to Orthodox churches? But actually about the evidence, it would be nice to confirm this fact. So, for understanding the picture.
      Quote: Vasya
      According to the traditions of Islam, ANY person can go to the mosque at any time.

      Can't a Muslim go into an Orthodox church? Yes please. Nobody will lead an eyebrow. As for worship, this is a completely different story. Can Christians be baptized and read prayers in a mosque?
    2. dddym
      dddym April 27 2013 16: 53 New
      +3
      Somewhere I already heard this song. Is it you that Muslims can go to Orthodox churches? But actually about the evidence, it would be nice to confirm this fact. So, for understanding the picture.
      imagine - muftis, for example, were allowed during the war, for example, to send their religious needs to Orthodox priests. They can, if there is a permit, and of course it can be obtained only in exceptional cases. http://www.kp.ru/daily/24559/734107
    3. Flooding
      Flooding April 27 2013 19: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: dddym
      imagine - muftis, for example, were allowed during the war, for example, to send their religious needs to Orthodox priests

      It is not very clear what rituals are involved, but it is clear that the case is exceptional.
      And citizen Vasya speaks of a completely different thing: the performance of religious rites by Muslims in Orthodox churches.
    4. dddym
      dddym April 28 2013 15: 22 New
      +1
      Well, if there is no mufti or imam, then there is no talk of the complete observance of the rituals, but they can pray, put candles - they can, read the Quran quietly in the corner, yes, easily. no one can disturb the traditional course of inner parish life
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 28 2013 11: 59 New
    +8
    I myself am not a particularly religious Muslim, an ordinary Kazakh. In South Korea, I somehow got bored at home, went to a Buddhist temple, prayed with Buddhists nearby. No one said a word. And in Tyumen I wanted to go to the Orthodox Church, just to see, they asked me right away - Orthodox or not. He replied that he was a Muslim. Not allowed. Moreover, the views were as if they wanted to kill me.
    With us, any Russian can easily come to the mosque. I have a Ukrainian, she sometimes goes to the mosque, they give her clothes there and explain everything if she has questions. But at the same time, she is Orthodox and does not intend to change religion, and no one persuades her.
    I was in the Catholic Church in Astana (I just came to see). There, a Pole priest (not ours, but from Poland itself) conducted such an excursion for me alone that I still remember him as a very kind and interesting person.
    There was a Russian pop companion in a Karaganda-Astana bus (he was in civilian clothes) - he was also a good man, jokes were poisoned, people were joking about politics. In the Astana church several times came blessed water to take - local priests were only happy. And in Russia, that pop I met either turned out to be a "radish", or it really wasn’t supposed to let in believers.
  • Denis
    Denis April 28 2013 12: 19 New
    +4
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    in Russia, that pop I met or turned out to be a "radish"
    It happens.
    It’s naive to consider priests as saints, the same people
    It happens that they create it as if they specifically want to turn people away from the church
    But most normal people
  • yak69
    yak69 April 28 2013 13: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Denis
    But most normal people

    Ordinary priests, for the most part, are really normal believers. But such as Kuraev, V. Chaplin and others like them in the ROC apparatus, these are just devils in robes!
    They remind me of the Ebony-Yakovlevs in the Politburo and the Kalugins in the KGB. Togo and look at the ROC will fall apart. We must get rid of such "priests"!
  • Denis
    Denis April 28 2013 13: 46 New
    -1
    Quote: yak69
    We must get rid of such "priests"!
    That would still know how?
    All this ... unsinkable
  • Flooding
    Flooding April 29 2013 09: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    With us, any Russian can easily come to the mosque. I have a Ukrainian, she sometimes goes to the mosque, they give her clothes there and explain everything if she has questions. But at the same time, she is Orthodox and does not intend to change religion, and no one persuades her.

    Maerk, you intrigued me. Does your mother pray in a mosque? How?
    It is clear that the icon cannot be put in a candle. But no one bothers to create the sign of the cross?
    Are there any restrictions imposed by internal rules?
    For example, a separate place is allocated for non-believers ...
    And another question: are there not enough Orthodox churches, since Christians go to mosques?
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 29 2013 11: 55 New
    +4
    I'm not talking about my mother, but about my half)))) She is Ukrainian)
    How she prays there - did not even ask. It never occurred to me. I’ll ask in the evening))) Although I think that he is praying in a Muslim way. I don’t know about restrictions. It should be clarified, a good question was asked.
    There is no place for non-believers. Separation by sex only.
    Temples in Astana are quite enough. She just likes to go to the mosque sometimes. She also goes to church.

    In the photo she is in the Central Mosque of Astana.
  • Ronin201
    Ronin201 1 May 2013 16: 38 New
    -1
    Our people are better than theirs, it can be seen immediately on business trips ...
  • Nick
    Nick April 27 2013 20: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Alibekulu
    and this photo, I’m sure, the majority are not migrant workers from Middle Asia, but Russian citizens from the Caucasian republics ..

    So what? A citizen of the Russian Federation is not necessarily Russian ... Therefore, Alexander does not call them Russian. Russian Orthodox, and in the photo obviously Muslims ...
  • tm70-71
    tm70-71 April 27 2013 09: 47 New
    0
    You ask your officials for your love of Russia. Paphos I do not like those whom you listed screaming everywhere that they will not be RUSSIAN.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 09: 51 New
      15
      Quote: tm70-71
      You ask your officials for the love of Russia

      You asked me: whom do you call Russian? I answered, what difficulties? There are officials who love Russia, but there are corrupt ones for whom Russia is a place where you can earn or steal (whatever you like).
      Quote: tm70-71
      . Paphos I do not like, those whom you listed, everywhere and everywhere shout that they will not be RUSSIAN.

      Yes, really ... But hell wait until people stop calling themselves Russian !!!
      1. tm70-71
        tm70-71 April 27 2013 10: 13 New
        -13
        Stop smoking all sorts of crap. Where did you see that I can’t wait until you name yourself another nationality?
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 10: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: tm70-71
        Stop smoking any crap. Where did you see that I can’t wait until you name yourself another nationality?

        What is this?
        Quote: tm70-71
        , those whom you listed, everywhere and everywhere screaming that they will not be RUSSIAN.

        Seeing the "dust" from the fields of Kazakhstan affects you wink Here, however, it’s a personal matter, the main thing is to see that the cops do not cover winked
      3. tm70-71
        tm70-71 April 27 2013 10: 53 New
        +2
        Romanov, what should I talk to you about? You can’t even cure the Kyrgyz from a Tajik, a Kazakh from an Uzbek. So how do you just scream, "everything is lost."
      4. UFO
        UFO April 27 2013 11: 07 New
        21
        I can, and Khakass from the Tuvan, and the Chinese from the Mongol, and the South Slavic type from the Pomors, and WHAT? I fully agree with the opinion of Romanov. yes
      5. tm70-71
        tm70-71 April 27 2013 11: 16 New
        -1
        This is not for those you have listed.
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 27 2013 11: 20 New
      +9
      Quote: tm70-71
      So how do you just shout, "everything is lost."

      here I don’t cry, everything was lost, probably many have noticed! that’s why I have been for Putin and for the visa regime since 2015! Belarusians and Kazakhs haven’t been traveling to Russia by trains, so there’s a green light for them, and whoever crawls most of them will limit it.
    3. Good Ukraine
      Good Ukraine April 27 2013 20: 44 New
      +8
      hi
      Quote: djon3volta
      I have been for Putin and for the visa regime since 2015! Belarusians and Kazakhs do not leak into Russia by trains, so the green light is for them, and whoever crawls the most will limit them.

      I also do not understand why the fuss?
      Separated? - why then you climb?
      Or in the vehicle, or visa regime.
      Or gas at a good price in the TS, or with the Cypriots, Greeks, etc. Feed Europe.
      It’s fun to look at our “figures”. They think that they will take first places in the EU Hall laughing
    4. Egoza
      Egoza April 27 2013 22: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Good Ukraine
      They think that in the EU hall they will loan

      The first row in the gallery! wassat
    5. Good Ukraine
      Good Ukraine April 28 2013 12: 55 New
      +3
      hi
      Quote: Egoza
      Quote: Good Ukraine Ukraine They think that in the EU Hall they will loan
      The first row in the gallery


      I would say: their place will be somewhere on the toilet seat at 21. laughing
  • Maximus
    Maximus April 27 2013 12: 13 New
    +3
    Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and Uzbek-Mongoloids are Türkic-speaking, Tajiks are Europeans of the Iranian group.
  • Ram chandra
    Ram chandra April 29 2013 09: 43 New
    -3
    Kazakhs are Turans (demigods). : 3
  • Committee
    Committee April 27 2013 10: 51 New
    +3
    Well, you are yelling that you are not Russian.
  • AK-47
    AK-47 April 27 2013 09: 49 New
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I don’t call these in Russian photos ..

    What are they doing together collectively?
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger April 27 2013 10: 42 New
      16
      Quote: AK-47
      What are they doing together collectively?

      Climbing the "promised land" wassat
      According to one Persian Ayatollah (?)
      "... The most effective weapon of Islam is the Womb of a Muslim woman.." Draw conclusions. . .

      PS And your dad Lukashenko pass darned reshpekt that you do not have this in Minsk! hi
      1. Mairos
        Mairos April 30 2013 11: 55 New
        +1
        This is not ayatollah, this is Yasser Arafat said so
    2. avt
      avt April 27 2013 11: 14 New
      21
      Quote: AK-47
      What are they doing together collectively?

      My acquaintance lives there at the Olympic, you don’t get into the subway after prayer, well, they crawl along the alleys, celebrate, well, there’s someone who thumps there on holiday. Previously, when the Gaster was not imported en masse, it was easier. And now, in order to set up mosques in Moscow, the crowds are arranging for the third year. And they don’t go to the allocated equipped areas in Izmailovo and Sokolniki. Here they say a prayer place! So an imam spoke with a brazen smile, although they don’t need any “prayer” for prayer. In general, a banal blackmail, but Sobyanin did not seem to be seduced.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 27 2013 11: 29 New
        +7
        There is such crap. And in Mitono there was a rally against the mosque
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 27 2013 11: 39 New
        12
        Quote: avt
        And now, in order to set up mosques in Moscow, the crowds are arranging for the third year. And they don’t go to the allocated equipped areas in Izmailovo and Sokolniki. Here they say a prayer place! So an imam spoke with a brazen smile, although they don’t need any “prayer” for prayer. In general, a banal blackmail, but Sobyanin did not seem to be seduced.


        26 April, Friday
        FSB officers detained more than 140 Islamic extremists in a Moscow house of worship, among which several dozen are representatives of foreign states, RIA Novosti reports. This large-scale operation was carried out at Danilovskaya Naberezhnaya, house 8, as part of an event to identify persons involved in Islamic extremist organizations. As noted, among those detained were those who were wanted for crimes of a terrorist and extremist nature that had already been committed. In total, several thousand Muslims gathered for prayer in this place.
        The investigators found that the Dar ul - Arkam prayer room, where the operation was carried out, was actually a "hotbed of extremism." The parishioners of this institution often later found themselves in the ranks of gangs in the North Caucasus or were engaged in the preparation of extremist and terrorist acts in Russia. An example is the Chechen Ibragim Pliev, a student at a Moscow university who, after visiting the Dar ul Arkam prayer house, joined one of the North Caucasus gangs two years ago and was subsequently eliminated during a counter-terrorist operation by security forces.
        link



        The Ambassador of the Republic of Tatarstan to the Russian Federation Abdulmadzhid Dostiev instructed the responsible embassy staff to keep abreast of the events, since among the people detained after Friday prayers there may be citizens of Tajikistan.
        “We understand that in recent years Russia has faced the problem of involving people in radical and extremist movements, and we believe that parishioners of the mosque have been detained for preventive purposes,”
        “We hope that this case has nothing to do with the“ information exchange ”of the last days of Tajikistan and Russia,”
        - declares the Tajik diplomatic mission.
        link
      3. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 27 2013 12: 04 New
        +7
        They (the FSB) would have also worked in the subway, there they have a second house, especially on Komsomolskaya Street and the cops walk past them, pretending that everything is fine.
        Oh world of dough !!!
      4. afire
        afire April 27 2013 13: 02 New
        +7
        I completely agree, keep the bag closer to your heart in Kazan, don’t take your wallet to the cash desks, count the money under your jacket, tear it out and run away, nobody will chase, everything is bought, chocks are involved, narrow-eyed of all stripes (I fucking know them by nationality- cf. Asia in general).
      5. avt
        avt April 27 2013 15: 07 New
        +5
        Quote: afire
        I completely agree, keep the bag closer to your heart in Kazan, don’t open your wallet when approaching the ticket office,

        Malek was cleaned by three stations, the stalls were cleaned, but of course the place is still that, you can not relax.
      6. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny April 28 2013 12: 07 New
        +4
        That’s why, when I answered one stupid question about whether I’m a real Kazakh, I answered briefly in Kazakh that “I am Kazakh” - they slapped me a ban because I “insulted” the site with a non-Russian phrase. But when everyone here quietly writes "chunks, narrow-eyed", do the admins indulge this?
        And the question is, when expel Tajiks, crime in the country will fall at times or will remain virtually the same? When the Moscow leadership claims that the main crime in Msk is done by newcomers, they sometimes add that 90% of newcomers are ethnic Russians from other regions of Russia, not migrants from Central Asia. But who cares? They showed you a red rag, outlined the direction, so you rush to hit the target with your head, being afraid to spend time thinking.
      7. avt
        avt April 28 2013 19: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        They showed you a red rag, outlined the direction, so you rush to hit the target with your head, being afraid to spend time thinking.

        I’m watching this “red rag”. I really saw how the Ukrainian, Moldavian, Belarusian workers were first and how they were slowly but surely exchanged in Moscow for dumb slaves from Asia. I know how they are humped and they really raise loot. And as in the last for about three years they began to go astray and rob those who are easier, of course they are still far from Caucasians, but they are especially hard-hired, and even the fights have started among themselves, at the same three stations, from Yaroslavsky, Uzbeks with Tajiks already cut. And they begin to use them in droves en masse to the Olympic on holidays ,,, thanks "Jemal. And do you think internationalism and the friendship of peoples are instilling this into the local population? Especially against the backdrop of created nation-states with huge show-offs, with great ambitions. Here, on the website, believe quite “tolerantly.” But at the household level, the degree for four years has grown quite seriously, even the GDP realized that people need to be reassured somehow. All this it was quite predicted and expected, but as always for the sake of 300% they scored profits on everything. In general, as in the “Ordinary Miracle” - with him his wife was strangled, and he said the patient could manage.
      8. Ronin201
        Ronin201 1 May 2013 16: 42 New
        -1
        once again I say why communicate with Russians on these topics, we will always be second-class people for them ...
  • avt
    avt April 27 2013 12: 13 New
    +4
    Quote: Ascetic
    This large-scale operation was carried out at Danilovskaya Naberezhnaya, house 8, as part of an event to identify persons involved in Islamic extremist organizations.

    request They would take the Avtozavodskaya metro station and before ..Novokuznetskoye to the mosques in Saudi Arabia, they would have caught someone else.
  • shark
    shark April 27 2013 10: 05 New
    +6
    It so happened that during the time shown in the photo, I happened to be not far off. So, I testify that the bulk were mud-faced, namely Tajiks, Uzbeks. They should not be confused with Caucasians
  • albai
    albai April 27 2013 13: 46 New
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And those who love Russia with their hearts, and do not spit in its traditions, culture and citizens. I don’t call these in Russian photos ..

    And that Alexander in Russia there are no Muslims? Or are there only Orthodox in Russia and no other traditions and cultures? The photo is clearly a Friday prayer. So you go to Sunday and so on. And as far as I know, there are no incentives to violate Russian traditions, cultures and citizens from the side of migrant workers, they are only busy with work and earning their daily bread, and is it their trouble that they are far from their homeland. Maybe this is the fault of three from Belovezhskaya Pushcha that such a country was torn apart. And Central Asia during the referendum in early 90 almost 90% was for the preservation of the USSR. And now they have the "big brother" in the role of outcasts.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 27 2013 14: 01 New
      15
      There are Muslims, let there be prayers in their area. Not .... do it in non-Muslim cities. And in general, we have a secular state. SECONDARY VA ... U M .... THAT. If you want to pray, pray quietly in the church, meteci, synagogue, which are already built or at home. Not x .... upside down to shine in the middle of Moscow Avenue. This current impotent power suffers it, once the riot police had "figured out" these "believers" about 5 years ago - and there would have been no problem, they would have forgotten.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny April 28 2013 12: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: fzr1000
        There are Muslims, let there be prayers in their area. Not .... do it on non-Muslim cities

        And let's replace in your phrase the word "Muslims" with "Orthodox"? Like, let the Orthodox pray in their area, neh .. do this in non-Christian cities. Fine? If so, it means that it is time to send Kazakh Russians back to their historical homeland so that they don’t "trash" our land with Orthodox prayers. Will this alignment be adequate to your words? How many of the millions of Russian Kazakhstanis will subscribe for your statements? Turn on your head.


        Quote: fzr1000
        Not x .... upside down to shine in the middle of Moscow Avenue.
        In Moscow (offic. 12 million population) - 2 million Muslims and only 4 mosques. There is a mosque at the Iranian embassy, ​​but this is only for embassy staff. All four mosques are small: there can accommodate from 500 to a thousand people, only on Poklonnaya Hill, a little more spacious, but still the situation is awful. Build mosques for Muslims-Muscovites, then you will not see them on bare ground.
        Figures for comparison:
        In Moscow - 900 Orthodox churches, another 200 are under construction.
        In New York and London, where about a million Muslims live - more than a hundred mosques.
        In Astana (where 700 thousand people officially live) for several hundred thousand Orthodox residents, 4 Orthodox churches were built (some of them very large) and one monastery. Plus another temple is being built. And it will be necessary - we’ll still build it. No one should be infringed on religious grounds. It is written in our Constitution, however, as in yours.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 12: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        Build mosques for Moslems,

        And why the heck they are needed where they were not born. Let them go to their place and build what they want there.
        Quote: Marek Rozny
        In New York and London, where about a million Muslims live - more than a hundred mosques.

        In, fine, let them go there.
      3. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny April 28 2013 12: 58 New
        +4
        That is, Muslims living in non-Muslim lands of Russia is worthless, and Orthodox living in Tatarstan, Yakutia, the Caucasus, Bashkiria, Kalmykia, Kazakhstan, Central Asia, Western Europe, the United States - is it possible?
        That is, to say “Muslims, get out of our Russian lands” is zero, and to say “Suitcase, train station, Russia” is fascism? So how do you differ from a few Central Asian Natsik, who sees the reason for his own failures in the Russian neighbor on the landing?
        If you consider yourself fair, then I do not see any justice here. But I see only open nationalism.
        You may expel all Tajiks. As before this Georgians. But in the end, Russia will not get better, and Tajikistan will definitely go into the camp of enemies. And then you will begin to expel the Kyrgyz (with the corresponding transition to another camp), Kazakhs, Tatars, Yakuts. And then Russia (which at that moment in this case will turn into the Golden Ring) will begin to seek out among the Russian "enemies and renegades." In my opinion, you know who is waiting for such a finale. Uncle Sam and the spirit of Mao. Does this plot seem unlikely to you? Well, the USSR just collapsed. Solzhenitsyn, the emissary, muttered with might and main that it was time to get rid of the neighbors. Get rid. Now the Russians themselves are moaning "what country prosr_li!". Now, instead of Solzhenitsyn, a whole bunch of new "guardians for the Russian people" who actually openly lead the country to fragmentation. To destroy Russia itself, one must first break away Tajiks, Moldavians, Georgians, Kazakhs, Tatars, and Chechens from it. And there already is "hello, feudal fragmentation!"
      4. TURAR
        TURAR April 29 2013 09: 39 New
        +5
        When the Amer put your military base in Tajikistan you just do not be surprised and not noah like some here! It's all about your "own weakness." In your country, the official does everything he wants, he wants to sell the plant (with high-tech machines) at the price of scrap metal, he wants to ruin the country, and the people where 80% of Russians stand silently on the sidelines. The biggest loss during the collapse of the USSR is the loss of the Russian-speaking space, which was built with the blood of the Russian people and then for many years by schools, institutes and many others assimilated. The USSR was on the verge of creating one single nation! Compare the people of those who grew up and were brought up in the USSR and those who after, it is visible on the face.
      5. Focker
        Focker April 29 2013 11: 04 New
        +1
        Great comment. I support almost everything. ++
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 28 2013 13: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    In Moscow (offic. 12 million population) - 2 million Muslims and only 4 mosques

    you play numbers very deftly, these are residents of Moscow or visitors, when they arrived, where they settled, on what conditions
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 28 2013 13: 44 New
    0
    2 million included local muslimsliving in Moscow since Soviet times, and visiting Muslims - citizens of other regions of Russia. I wrote only famous figures. About migrants from the CIS (Muslims and non-Muslims) I have not written yet. And taking them into account - the situation is even worse with mosques. Imagine if in Almaty or Astana they left only one tiny church for the Russians ... It is clear what inconvenience the local Orthodox will experience who cannot physically place there during the Orthodox holidays?
    The Moscow administration itself provokes the situation, and then Muscovites spread angry or insulting comments on photographs of Muslims who pray in the open.
  • Earthman
    Earthman April 28 2013 19: 56 New
    -1
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Imagine if in Almaty or Astana they left only one tiny church for the Russians ...

    Such as Romanov and Vasilenko will first of all shout that the Russians are oppressed, eat their children for breakfast, it's time to save them ...

    The US final is foreseen very soon, no matter how these Romanovs cried and more with them
  • Denis
    Denis April 28 2013 20: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Earthman
    US Final Coming
    And whom will it upset?
    Only their sixes
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 29 2013 09: 22 New
    +1
    well, give a figure only for Muslims permanently residing in Moscow, forgive me, but for "tourists" there is hardly a need to build mosques, especially since Islam allows you to make prayers in non-temples, but also makes the process easier for the traveler
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 29 2013 10: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Imagine if in Almaty or Astana they left only one tiny church for the Russians ... It is clear what inconvenience the local Orthodox will experience who cannot physically place there during the Orthodox holidays?

    you distort again in the best traditions of the press secretaries.
    firstly left it means they had to destroy something, can you give examples of the destruction or the nose of mosques in Moscow ?!
    secondly, almost all Orthodox churches in Alma-Ata were built before the revolution, with the exception of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, on the saine and on the monm of another in the Alfarabi district of Rozibakiev
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 29 2013 11: 20 New
    +2
    1) regarding Almaty temples - out of 16 Orthodox churches in the city - 13 were built (or churches returned for cult rites) after 1991. And here is the infa from the clergy - http://orthodox.kz/churches/ Calmed down?
    2) regarding the situation in Moscow - I gave only official data - 2 million Muslims, Muscovites, Russians and only 4 mosques. If we ascribe more migrants, then the situation is even worse with mosques. What do you not understand? Even if all migrants are thrown out, then for their “own” Muslims these mosques are still not enough.
  • Denis
    Denis April 28 2013 13: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Build mosques for Moslems
    About what is needed, is not needed, it’s said before me. And you didn’t make a reservation with
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Build

    Is it at the expense of taxpayers?
    If so, then overkill
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 28 2013 14: 06 New
    -2
    Just give building permits. Do not need anything else. The Muslim diaspora of Moscow can easily collect how much money is needed both for the purchase of land and for the construction itself.

    Z.Y. Orthodox churches in the KZ are being built for state money. And this does not bother the Kazakhs at all. We have churches and synagogues under construction. For God's sake. Moreover, he is alone.
  • avt
    avt April 29 2013 11: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Z.Y. Orthodox churches in the KZ are being built for state money. And this does not bother the Kazakhs at all. With us and

    This is your business, a sovereign country, that you want to do it. And do not meddle with this question for us, especially since we are already scientists and how it ends well we know. They washed their face with blood when they listened to such jokes. We somehow get along with our Muslims, we have experience. If only the authorities had the mind to import imported preachers well, and the migrant workers, so that people like Heydar Jamal wouldn’t dislike them in their game as pawns.
  • avt
    avt April 29 2013 12: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    The Muslim diaspora of Moscow can easily collect how much money is needed both for the purchase of land and for the construction itself.

    Tales for Taraschi. Here at the Olympic I already forgot when they began to build a cathedral mosque and there is no end to the construction site, so they are going to the street.
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 29 2013 12: 45 New
    +1
    1) The reconstruction of the Moscow Cathedral Mosque began in 2005, but in 2009 the reconstruction was stopped for architectural reasons. In 2011, the mosque was completely demolished and began to build a new one. In this 2013, construction should be completed.

    2) What are you "wise" in terms of cohabitation of peoples and religions - this is visible. In terms of domestic nationalism, Russia has surpassed all the republics of the ex-USSR. They tell you again, do not engage in garbage - turn to face the neighbors, see how they solve the same problems. Or, most likely, just zapadlo from "some Kazakhs" to learn something? It will end with what the Kazakhs warn you about here - ruin your country according to national and religious grounds. And then start biting with each other.

    Z.Y. You are here also from the Kazakhs - the enemies of Russia ... EPT, except for the Kazakhs for Russia, no one else in the world is worried. Russia is our neighbor, friend, ally. 1 million Kazakhs live in Russia. A part of our historical lands is located in Russia (but we do not claim to categorically change borders). Russia is watered with Kazakh blood during the war with the Nazis. Russian stubborn people are more understandable and close to us than Arabs or Japanese. We have a bunch of hundreds of years of joint history, so the Kazakhs cannot perceive Russia as a foreign country, to which we do not care. There is a deal. Many cases. It's time to turn on the brains, pull out the motherland from the anus. And while you crap tossing and stomping in one place. Have you seen a dog chasing its tail? So Russia makes a bunch of useless movements and noise. 20 years, Kazakhstan has been pushing Russia in the right direction, but in Russia, it’s the people, that the officials are so carried away by the idea that they are the smartest and don’t tell them that they prefer to engage in narcissism and squabble with neighbors. We have the same tasks and goals. And we are obliged to help each other with advice, deeds, to prompt one another one way or another. We are in the same bunch, in the same tank. What is incomprehensible here? But you started it - you are on our own, we are on our own - the driver goes wherever he wants, the gunner fights wherever he might think, the commander guesses the crosswords in the newspaper.
  • avt
    avt April 29 2013 13: 25 New
    -2
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    ) What are you "wise" in terms of cohabitation of peoples and religions - this is clear. In terms of domestic nationalism, Russia has surpassed all the republics of the ex-USSR. They tell you again, do not engage in garbage - turn to face the neighbors, see how they solve the same problems. Or, most likely, just zapadlo from "some Kazakhs" to learn something? It will end with what the Kazakhs warn you about here - ruin your country according to national and religious grounds. And then start biting with each other.
    laughing Well, well, I don’t need to tell tales about construction. And about the “wise” exemplary too. Our everyday nationalism just started when we stood facing the proud ancient neighbors after the collapse of the USSR, and they received them in their faces and when gravity here to such well-wishers - the organizers of Russia, and they gave the topic to foreign imams. Here they give us good will with the help of greedy, “businessmen”, and they teach us life at the same time. we will deal with our problems. You’ll climb less - there will be less domestic nationalism. And somehow get used to the idea that the states are different and if you are masters in your house, then we won’t be with them. And let’s start “gnawing” or not, time will tell, but this is our sovereign affair. And with regards to one bunch, it’s also funny, the bunch ends exactly where you have to go from words to deeds, everyone immediately remembers what the owners of their land and instead of a common cause - liquid kissel, well, a song about imperial syndrome. This is sacred, especially in Ukraine. So, let’s start, we’ll establish a normal customs union, and we’ll see who is ready to go together.
  • avt
    avt April 29 2013 16: 13 New
    -2
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    , commander crosswords in the newspaper guesses.

    But by the way, did you decide on the commander? Again, the crew in the know and for him he is a real authority? Anyway, what army is the tank in?
  • avt
    avt April 29 2013 11: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Quote: fzr1000
    There are Muslims, let there be prayers in their area. Not .... do it on non-Muslim cities

    And let's replace in your phrase the word "Muslims" with "Orthodox"? Like, let the Orthodox pray in their area, neh .. do this in non-Christian cities. Fine?

    Quite. In the bastion of democracy in Saudi Arabia, the construction of other religious buildings is simply prohibited. And do not put a shadow on the wattle fence, you quite understand what is at stake. Especially with regard to those grooms who are satisfied with the Olympic, this is not a prayer but pure blackmail of the authorities through visiting migrant workers.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 28 2013 13: 18 New
    0
    Quote: fzr1000
    There are Muslims, let there be prayers in their area. Not .... do it in non-Muslim cities. And in general, we have a secular state

    Well, if it’s secular, then what’s the matter to you where does anyone pray, and about the “let them pray in their own lands” mosques in Moscow were before the Union.
    Quote: fzr1000
    If you want to pray, pray quietly in the church, meteci, synagogue, which are already built or at home

    you mixed everything together
  • washi
    washi April 27 2013 14: 30 New
    +7
    Also, those who did not kill Russians in the former republics, who did not evict them from their apartments, did not dismiss from work. If you wanted to live without Russians, get it. Where are your highly profitable enterprises and agriculture.
    Kill your Basmachis and Islamists (not to be confused with representatives of traditional Islam) and We will probably return.
    In tsarist Russia did not allow such gatherings.
  • slas
    slas April 27 2013 13: 35 New
    0
    Quote: tm70-71
    Et, as if you wrote about the Russians, only whom do you mean by the word "Russians"?

    Well, it’s not at all “We are deceiving me Gussian Dgug Dgug” --- Brother 2
  • Flooding
    Flooding April 27 2013 16: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: tm70-71
    so again I ask who you mean by the word "Russian people".

    And for yourself, you answered this question? For very often it arises just among those who find it difficult to identify with the Russian people.
    A truly Russian person (I think, like the patriots of many other countries) absorbs this understanding with his mother’s milk. Like in the song "What the Homeland Begins". And it doesn’t need punctuation. This understanding is at the level of feelings and emotions.
    It seems to have jumped a little on a related topic, but for me personally, Russia, the Motherland, the Russian people are inseparable and inseparable words.
    Probably, only the master of words will be able to fully answer your question.
  • predator.3
    predator.3 April 27 2013 17: 43 New
    +6
    Hmmm, Comrade Onishchenko will be worse than any war! lol Says to cancel the train "Dushanbe-Moscow" - Yes, just spit! And let the rahmons and jamshuts piss boiling water, and that in Russia the world will end? Not even better!
  • Ermolov
    Ermolov April 29 2013 07: 56 New
    0
    YOU ARE TIME IN CHURKISTAN ... IN A PRINTED CAR ... HOW THE CHECHEN ... EVERYTHING RETURNS TO ITS CIRCUITS ... ESPECIALLY .. WHEN ANY YELLOW LICE BEGINS TO STEEM AND SAYS YOURSELF RUSSIAN IS WELL ... ... THE OTHER BOLSHEVIAN LYRICS ...
  • Ram chandra
    Ram chandra April 29 2013 09: 28 New
    -1
    Calmly, do not minus. You Russians should be happy. The more loyal to you, the better you are.
    1. avt
      avt April 29 2013 15: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Mangust_ali
      Calmly, do not minus. You Russians should be happy. The more loyal to you, the better you are.

      So I’m calm and didn’t minus, but I don’t understand request why should we again? Or should others understand that independence is also a two-edged sword? And others should also be glad that neighbors are loyal to them, since life has turned so? And it’s just a fairy tale about the Goldfish. Already we, like that old man and fools, and the simpletons of the bogs which got out of the swamps and all that they owe, proud and ancient. But it’s worth a little thought - so we insult everyone with the very fact. But it didn’t occur to me that in Russia from such a development of events after 1991, when ,, suitcase, train station, Russia "after the lapse of time, when a crowd of proud, independent and ancient people pouring in to Russia for work will not meet them with flowers?
    2. Ronin201
      Ronin201 1 May 2013 16: 47 New
      -1
      But they want the Russian Federation to be reduced to the level of the Moscow princedom of the 14th century under all these cries of Russianness and Orthodoxy ... In this situation, we will take Astrakhan Orenburg Saratov Omsk ...
      1. Denis
        Denis 1 May 2013 20: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Ronin201
        And they want the Russian Federation to be reduced to the level of the Moscow princedom of the 14th century under all these cries of Russianness and Orthodoxy ... In this situation, we will take Astrakhan Orenburg Saratov Omsk ..

        , at least you can understand what they’ll give you?
  • AndreyAB
    AndreyAB 1 May 2013 08: 37 New
    0
    Well, their nationality was shy, and then you have an answer why ask?
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 09: 25 New
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    You, too, do not bend the stick very much, and in Russian is written Kyrgyz, not Kyrgyz.
    why are you always trying to change an ALIEN language?
    1. tm70-71
      tm70-71 April 27 2013 09: 48 New
      -3
      Your truth, but it’s closer to me, I live in Kyrgyzstan, Kyrgyzstan is no more.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 09: 57 New
        +3
        but still write in Russian, and write according to the phonetics of the Russian language
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu April 27 2013 10: 26 New
          -5
          You, too, do not bend the stick very much, and in Russian is written Kyrgyz, not Kyrgyz. why are you always trying to change an ALIEN language?


          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          still write in Russian, and write according to the phonetics of the Russian language


          Well, that’s why Vasilenko, while in Kazakhstan, didn’t speak and write in Kazakh, according to the phonetics of the Kazakh language ?? recourse
          P.S. By the way, Vladimir himself obviously has problems with spelling, grammar (and probably phonetics) .. request
          But, at the same time, they like to teach Vasilenko or Vasilenko others ..
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 11: 32 New
            +1
            Well, that’s why Vasilenko, while in Kazakhstan, didn’t speak and write in Kazakh, according to the phonetics of the Kazakh language ??
            I spoke and wrote in Russian, I would write in Kazakh your accusations would be justified
            Quote: Alibekulu
            at the same time they like to teach Vasilenko or the Vasilenko others ..

            Well, actually, EVERYTHING here expresses their opinion, including you
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny April 28 2013 12: 44 New
              -1
              Vasilenko, why didn’t you bother to learn the Kazakh language in KZ? And to non-Russians who at least somehow speak Russian (and usually better than you) you get to the bottom. Kazakh and Kyrgyz in Russian write better than you. No, to sprinkle ash on your head, you still begin to blow out the guardian-guardian of your native speech and learn something there ... You would first put your spelling in order.
              Z.Y. Two homeless people are sitting in the port, clothes are dirty, torn, both rushing for a mile away the smell of unwashed bodies and fumes. Here they see a passing tourist - a black man in a snow-white suit and hat. One homeless man, opening his mouth with half-rotten teeth, pushes a neighbor and shouts joyfully: "Look, the savage monkey is coming!"
          2. predator.3
            predator.3 April 27 2013 14: 32 New
            +2
            Very much this hare reminds N.S. Khrushchev!
      2. Rustiger
        Rustiger April 27 2013 10: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: tm70-71
        I live in Kyrgyzstan, Kyrgyzstan is no more.

        Judging by the flag, “Newark”, “Virgin” or “Texus” will probably say “closer”.
        Can you write from the Manas base? Asya. . .?
        1. tm70-71
          tm70-71 April 27 2013 10: 33 New
          -7
          You don’t mow that fool, Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan, and my small Rodina-KYRGYZSTAN are closer to me. I’m all that you listed
          1. Rustiger
            Rustiger April 27 2013 10: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: tm70-71
            closer to me are Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan, and my small Motherland-KYRGYZSTAN

            But you yourself and your fellow tribesmen are hardly closer "to both Russia and Ukraine" and probably to Kazakhstan too! What, too, you will show us all for this to throw? Sit exactly on asshole Serve your homeland, qualitatively "under the Amer’s flag" "may you be happy." . .
            We can manage without you, let it be "bad" for us, and we didn’t survive in such batches. . .
            1. tm70-71
              tm70-71 April 27 2013 10: 59 New
              -17
              In, another commander obsessed, you do your ass as you want and with whatever you want to equal, I do not need your advice.
          2. slas
            slas April 27 2013 13: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: tm70-71
            .I'm poh

            Look it will be painful)))
          3. Simon
            Simon April 27 2013 22: 16 New
            0
            You no longer have a small homeland, you betrayed it, so live under a star-striped flag calmly. By the way, calm and there already seems to end there. Too many amers in Miri have been crap, now they are already repaying debts.
      3. Maximus
        Maximus April 27 2013 11: 10 New
        16
        Say thanks to the Russians that there is such a nation in general. And that you have a state. If it were not for the Russian Empire and the USSR, it is not known what would have happened to you, and your statehood would have been.
        1. tm70-71
          tm70-71 April 27 2013 12: 02 New
          -4
          Thank you very much Maximus, for there is such a nation. And can I say thank you to my ancestors. And you ask the Russians from those who live in Kyrgyzstan, but can we all do you “ku” with the chair? fascism.
          1. Maximus
            Maximus April 27 2013 12: 16 New
            +4
            It's not about fascism, it’s just that without us the fate of the American Indians or the poor, uneducated Afghans could comprehend.
            1. tm70-71
              tm70-71 April 27 2013 12: 34 New
              -4
              You don’t write in the forums, but go and do your education. For people like you, Asia, the territory where the hungry and ragged “chuchmeks” live, like you say. You can’t even suspect a lot of what you use in Asia. how diverse the world of Asia is.
            2. Maximus
              Maximus April 27 2013 12: 48 New
              +8
              I can tell you a lot about Asia, but we are not talking about the times of Hadji Nasredin, but about the latest history, 80 years ago you had 90% illiteracy and a feudal form of government. We have brought you science and education, modern medicine, etc. What is wrong?
            3. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny April 28 2013 13: 03 New
              +1
              And until 1917, was Russia a country of total literacy and culture? Have slavery been canceled in Russia long ago? Also forgotten? Do you thank the Greeks every day for religion, the Bulgarians for the alphabet, the Germans for science-education-medicine?
            4. Denis
              Denis April 28 2013 14: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              And Russia until 1917
              Consider a watershed date?
              Textbooks on the history of the USSR were not always right
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              slavery in Russia has long been canceled?
              That Western myth, the time has come and canceled, and not before as "civilized" slavery?
            5. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny April 28 2013 14: 09 New
              +2
              1) Only the Soviet government gave the Russians a mass education. Nicholas II did not go any further. Even the law on compulsory education was not adopted in the Duma, and no money was allocated for this.

              2) 1861 is a myth?
            6. Denis
              Denis April 28 2013 14: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              Is 1861 a myth?
              Myths Weave Around
              The "model of freedom and democracy" was canceled in 1885, and then on paper
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 27 2013 14: 05 New
      11
      Examples in the studio, what did they come up with in Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and other countries, what the whole world still uses and cannot live without? DON'T PUNCH BY ARABS, PERSIANS. You have nothing to do with them.
    3. Maximus
      Maximus April 27 2013 15: 04 New
      +5
      It is true of the Persians and Arabs, there were scientists of mathematics, astronomers, cartographers.
    4. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 28 2013 13: 14 New
      +4
      This is for those who do not rummage in the history of Asia - all Arabic names seem to be the names of Arabs.

      Al-Farabi (Abu Nasyr Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Tarkhan ibn Uzlag al-Farabi at-Turki) - which in Europe was called "the second Teacher of the world" - "Kazakh", a native of the present Taraz (the city of Dzhambul in the council. time, then - Farab).

      Abu Raikhan Biruni is a “Karakalpak” who proved that the Earth is round and revolves around the Sun 500 years before the Europeans burned Copernicus, a native of Biruni (then Kiyat), Uzbekistan.

      Ibn Sina (Avicenna) - "Tajik" from Bukhara - the father of medicine.

      Al-Khwarizmi is an "Uzbek" from Khorezm - a mathematician who gave the world the name "algebra", and in honor of which the Europeans created the word "algorithm" (distorted. On his behalf).

      And even the “Tajik” Omar Khayyam, whom the Russians know only as an alcoholic poet, was the first to bring out a mathematical unit, which would later be called the “Newton bin” in Europe.
      Etc. And the names sound in Arabic, just like the name "Ramzan Ahmetovich Kadirs"a la rus" sounds.
    5. Denis
      Denis April 28 2013 14: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Marek Rozny
      Ibn Sina (Avicenna) - "Tajik" from Bukhara - the father of medicine

      Quote: Marek Rozny
      And even the “Tajik” Omar Khayyam, whom the Russians know only as an alcoholic poet, was the first to bring out a mathematical unit, which would later be called the “Newton bin” in Europe.

      It’s just that they don’t consider him an alcoholic, rather, on the contrary, all statements about wine are considered a system of protest, a kind of front-door art.
      There is such an opus of Pikul "From the old box", everything is attributed to Russia there. It is tempting, but alas, not true
      Your arguments are very reminiscent of
      Aim, Newton or Hook are just plagiarists?
      Let not believe
    6. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 28 2013 15: 28 New
      +5
      Of course, it’s hard for you to believe. The Soviet academic school was built on a Euro-centrist base. Although in fact, Europe has lived all its life on the edge of scientific thought (and Asian). From the time of the industrial revolution until the 20th century, Europe has pulled ahead for several centuries, but now everything is back - Asia is moving forward, Europe is slipping back to where it has been all these centuries - in the world.
      India, China, Japan and the Muslim world look at the current strength of Europe (including the USA) as a temporary misunderstanding, which will soon disappear by itself. While the Russians praise the first printer Fedorov, belittling the merits of the German Guttenberg, the Koreans and the Chinese are arguing over which of them began to print books 2000 years ago.
      Z.Y. By the way, the first universities (in the modern sense of the word) in Europe began to be built precisely by Muslims in the then Islamic part of Spain. Europe then was not up to the university, they were chasing “witches”. And any Central Asian city had a sewage system to almost every house, at a time when Paris was also called Lutetia, and London was the parking lot of Roman legionnaires. I'm not saying that until recently, Europeans had no idea about hygiene and other basic things.
      Well, and corny - Europe in comparison with Asia - has always been a beggar. Maybe from this, the Europeans have complexes that are similar to the manners of the "new Russian"? Grandmothers first appeared, came to a restaurant and vomited out, believing that he was the navel of the earth ... Western Europe flashed for a couple of centuries and rolled back.
    7. dddym
      dddym April 28 2013 15: 46 New
      +1
      About how many "wonderful discoveries" Marek’s spirit gives us! it’s just that a “true” story needs some sort of dislocation of consciousness from modern Asian political schools. Shukshin has a fairy tale "about how Ivan went for print." And when there was nowhere to go from the Serpent of Gorynych - he shouted at him and intimidated: "I myself will eat you - punk!". Well, why did the Asians allow Iraq? Or Korea? Why did you Asians just take and give half-dishes, notice the Islamic Germans and Nichrome without opposing? Euro-centrist universities in soviet schools - what the hell is that? If that our Russian science has contributed a lot to the development of science. So, you scold the school - which gave you education as such - after 1917 of the year you won’t find any literate Kazakhs in the afternoon with fire. And even after the collapse of the USSR, not everyone took advantage of this education.
    8. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 28 2013 16: 29 New
      +7
      And what a joke? Tell the Korean that Guttenberg or Fedorov are the first pioneers, he will make fun of you because they were doing it 2000 years ago.
      The boom of science in the Muslim world happened when the Turks with the Arabs defeated the Chinese near Talas (Kyrgyzstan) in the 8th century and the "technologists" were captured, who handed over the secret of making paper to Muslims. And while in Europe they wrote on the skin and on the planks, the Muslim world did not even stamp paper, but cheap paper factories. Because of this, from the 8th century, the process of knowledge sharing in Muslim Asia has accelerated several times, and, accordingly, the relay race for science was taken from the Chinese. Plus, the military dominance of the Turks in Asia helped establish the process of sharing knowledge with India (convenient "Arab" numbers came to Europe thanks to Muslims from India). Well, just giant Asia was significantly advanced in the fields of construction, medicine, chemistry, astronomy, agricultural sciences and other things compared with what was then Europe.
      As for the moment when Europe seized the baton - this is the moment when Europe accidentally discovered America and began to pump huge resources from there - gold, food, and so on. Remember how Europe got rich. In Asia, after the collapse of the "single space" after the Genghis empire, there was a war of "all against all" everywhere. Former fragments of a giant empire tore each other to shreds. Here Europe began again the Crusades. First, peaceful trade, and then the seizure of India, Africa, China, the Middle East, and central Asia. The Germans, Dutch, French, British, Italians, Russians all wanted to "wash their boots in the Indian Ocean" or get to the "countless treasures of Asia."
      In Gumilev words, Europe had a period of passionarity. And Asia, on the contrary, was in the anus. Now Asia has recovered. First Japan woke up, now China, tomorrow India. Plus Muslims. Is it really not visible?
      Regarding Eurocentrism, everything is very simple. A Russian person knows quite well the history and culture of Ancient Greece, Rome, medieval Europe and modern Europe. As for Asia - complete ignorance. How many Russians can be called Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Turkic, Iranian, Arab cultural figures? Scientists? Generals? (excl. Genghis Khan, Attila, and Tamerlane) All the European knowledge of Asia is at the level of ninja films and Bibishi’s issues about Arab Islamists. I exaggerate, but it is.
      Russian science has really contributed to world cognition. I’ll just recall this period - the second half of the 18 century, the heyday of the Soviet period (you can’t strictly call Russian science), and now science in the Russian Federation (and in the KZ, of course) is far from the first positions. Roughly speaking - 200 years. Western Europe is the maximum of 400 of recent years. Compared to Asia, which has always generated technology and knowledge, this is complete nonsense. Sorry, but it is. Europe is generally a small piece of land with a small population (even if the number of white Americans is included there). But modern Europeans think that the whole planet revolves around them, and all the other barbarians and savages who could only invent funny acupuncture, hookah and cool food.
      I received not only a Soviet education, but also studied abroad. And since childhood, as any Asian was interested in Asia. What does ordinary Russian know at least about Chechens, about their history, culture, language? Nothing. But he knows a lot about Spain. Which Russian is able to draw a Tuvan in Tuvan clothes? But the Scotsman - easily. Do you understand my point?
    9. dddym
      dddym April 28 2013 16: 43 New
      0
      [quote] And what about the banter? Tell the Korean that Guttenberg or Fedorov are the first pioneers, he will make fun of you, because they were doing it 2000 years ago. [/ Quote]
      Fedorov for your information in Russia has always been positioned as the first RUSSIAN first printer and not in the world.

      [Quote] Compared with the then Europe. [/ Quote] What is the period, but somehow it is not clear ...
      Europe simply had falls and highs. As well as in Asia.

      [quote] As for the moment when Europe seized the baton - this is the moment when Europe accidentally discovered America and began to pump huge resources from there - gold, [/ quote] food and so on. Remember how Europe got rich. In Asia, after the collapse of the "single space" after the Genghis empire, there was a war of "all against all" everywhere. Former fragments of a giant empire tore each other to shreds. Here Europe began again the Crusades. First, peaceful trade, and then the seizure of India, Africa, China, the Middle East, and central Asia. The Germans, Dutch, French, British, Italians, Russians all wanted to "wash their boots in the Indian Ocean" or get to the "countless treasures of Asia."
      In Gumilev words, Europe had a period of passionarity. And Asia, on the contrary, was in the anus. Now Asia has recovered. First Japan woke up, now China, tomorrow India. Plus Muslims. Is it really not visible?
      Regarding Eurocentrism, everything is very simple. A Russian person knows quite well the history and culture of Ancient Greece, Rome, medieval Europe and modern Europe. As for Asia - complete ignorance. How many Russians can be called Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Turkic, Iranian, Arab cultural figures? Scientists? Generals? (excl. Genghis Khan, Attila, and Tamerlane) All the European knowledge of Asia is at the level of ninja films and Bibishi’s issues about Arab Islamists. I exaggerate, but it is.
      Russian science has really contributed to world cognition. I’ll just recall this period - the second half of the 18 century, the heyday of the Soviet period (you can’t strictly call Russian science), and now science in the Russian Federation (and in the KZ, of course) is far from the first positions. Roughly speaking - 200 years. Western Europe is the maximum of 400 of recent years. Compared to Asia, which has always generated technology and knowledge, this is complete nonsense. Sorry, but it is. Europe is generally a small piece of land with a small population (even if the number of white Americans is included there). But modern Europeans think that the whole planet revolves around them, and all the other barbarians and savages who could only invent funny acupuncture, hookah and cool food.
      I received not only a Soviet education, but also studied abroad. And since childhood, as any Asian was interested in Asia. What does ordinary Russian know at least about Chechens, about their history, culture, language? Nothing. But he knows a lot about Spain. Which Russian is able to draw a Tuvan in Tuvan clothes? But the Scotsman - easily. Do you understand my idea? [/ Quote]
    10. dddym
      dddym April 28 2013 17: 45 New
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      Guttenberg or Fedorov

      Sorry - in Russia Fedorov has always been understood as the first Russian first printer and not the world.
      compared to the then Europe.

      Specify the period in years, please, but I can’t collect the brains in any way - it’s just that they were spread throughout history.
      Europe accidentally discovered America and began to pump huge resources from there - gold, food, and more. Remember how Europe got rich.

      One can argue very strongly that Europe has become rich. Since it was precisely because of American gold that Spain almost lost the army, and the rule of England became obvious.
      The Germans, Dutch, French, British, Italians, Russians all wanted to "wash their boots in the Indian Ocean" or get to the "countless treasures of Asia."

      Have you ever been to Mao’s advisers ??? Already very much like a Chinese political school. This is to whom you can express your indignation - like the British, but not everyone else. The Great Silk Road was stolen from the world, and in particular from Asia - they.
      In Gumilev words, Europe had a period of passionarity. And Asia, on the contrary, was in the anus. Now Asia has recovered. First Japan woke up, now China, tomorrow India. Plus Muslims. Is it really not visible?

      So wake up! Take and break the Americans-they occupy half of your historical Muslim space. But your flag is still American ...
      . How many Russians can be called Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Turkic, Iranian, Arab cultural figures? Scientists? Generals? (excl. Genghis Khan, Attila and Tamerlane

      Well, not all Asians can distinguish Krasnoyarsk from Krasnodar. Personally, I know pretty, not bad Asian culture, and respect. And at school I knew very well that there was Omar Khayyam and Confucius and Ibn Sina Avicenna, and Baty and Genghis Khan. You had great people and I was even proud that in the state of the USSR there were descendants of these great peoples. Now everyone is trying to pull the "golden calf" to their side. But what happened to the people - who did not even have borders, which they received with the help of the Russians. Settled only by joining the country, which is now scolded.
      Russian science has really contributed to world cognition. I’ll just recall this period - the second half of the 18 century, the heyday of the Soviet period (can not be strictly called Russian science

      The most interesting and puzzling thing is that you are now writing and communicating in primitive Russian, and not in Kazakh or Chinese. Is that evidence of backwardness? Stop waving your fingers - it does not suit such an educated person. Russian science defeated the European in 45. Do not forget about the Marshall Plan and that there are many inventions by the minds of Russians or immigrants from the USSR.
      What does ordinary Russian know at least about Chechens, about their history, culture, language? Nothing. But he knows a lot about Spain. Which Russian is able to draw a Tuvan in Tuvan clothes? But the Scotsman - easily.

      Do you understand what you are writing? And you, for example, can distinguish Belarus from a resident of Vologda? In contrast to KZ, 150 nationalities live in Russia. Can you describe everyone? (Many people know about Chechnya now - as a hot spot.).
    11. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 28 2013 20: 57 New
      +4
      1) the American flag because my Beeline provider uses IPs that are perceived by the site as American. I am physically in Kazakhstan, in Astana. The flag is constantly changing - now Kazakh, then star-striped.
      2) The problems of the occupied territories are of little interest to me - I am much more concerned about the integrity of my personal space, where, according to my age-old habit, I include the Ukrainian steppes, the Caucasus mountains, and the Siberian taiga. Generations of steppe-Horde people, and then Russian, and then Soviet people sewed these lands into a single space. The state language and dynasties were changing - external borders have been preserved for one and a half thousand years. The fact that you do not perceive this land unified from the 6th century is the problem of the mentioned Eurocentrism, because of which you perceive the history of the Eurasian Center fragmentarily - exclusively within the framework of the development of the Russian state. Compare the territory of the Turkic Kaganate, the empire of Genghis Khan, the Russian Empire, the USSR to understand why some peoples of Eurasia stubbornly perceive the territory from the Ukrainian steppes to the Far East, from Russian cities to Central Asia as one. I have a drum about what state language in the empire, who steers - the Ashin clan, Genghisides, Romanovs, Bolsheviks, Putin-Nazarbayevs. The main thing for me is that my land (really covered with the blood of my direct ancestors) should remain whole and independent. I won’t be jarred even if Ukrainians or Azerbaijanis dominate this territory. This is their own.
      3) Regarding knowledge of Asian history and culture. Any educated Russian will name at least a couple of works by Shakespeare, Homer or Walter Scott. But she will not be able to answer what Abai, Nizami or Confucius wrote. Moreover, most of the names of Abai or Nizami do not know. If it weren’t for “Abai-pay back”, then, in the words of Navalny, he would have remained for many Muscovites “a monument to some strange Kazakh”.
      4) We ourselves received our land. We did not receive any land from the Russians. Do not attribute to yourself gifts that you have not given.
      5) I am writing here in Russian (which I did not call "primitive"), because it is unlikely that you speak my language. And even if they owned it, then for any phrase in Kazakh - they are banning here. Ask the admins who will confirm this to you. In addition to Russian, I fluently speak several more languages. I can answer you in PM in German, and in English and in Turkic languages.
      6) There was no Russian science in 1945. There was Soviet science. You do not ascribe Zhores Alferov, for example, to Jewish science (he is a Jew by mother). Lomonosov - Russian science. Kurchatov - Soviet science.
      7) Belarusians in Kazakhstan are enough. Belarusian language calmly distinguish from Russian. All the major nations of Kazakhstan (except exotic and microscopic) Kazakhs know. Unlike Russia, here from childhood we are driven into the head of the wealth of a multinational country and our media do not make Russians, Caucasians, Tajiks, Moldavians - thieves, hooligans, enemies. And this is not the merit of Nazarbayev. Our heads were cut off for insulting someone’s religion. Therefore, the steppes and others do not insult and do not allow themselves to be insulted. And therefore Chechens, Russians (except Great Russian chauvinists), Jews, Tajiks, Germans, Koreans in Kazakhstan live here normally. In your country, 20% are non-Russians. In Kazakhstan, 40% are non-Kazakhs. And we have no problems with foreigners. And I asked you not about the exotic peoples of Russia like the Tofalars or Nganasans, but about the Chechens and Tuvans. And Russians do not know anything about Chechens. In addition to being at war with them. They will not even be able to determine by language their Tuvan or Chechen language and what dishes they have. And I, as a Kazakh, was in Chechen houses, both in Kurdish, and in Belarus, and in German. You don’t even have to go far. I won’t even have time to smoke a cigarette.
    12. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 29 2013 13: 51 New
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      Mareku !!
      And here I agree with you !!
      Indeed, many Ruusks do not know the traditions and histories of those peoples with whom they live nearby and many problems from this !!
      The Chechens began to become a little interested after the outbreak of the war, and in the rest I am also sure that they will not be distinguished not only by languages, but also by the location of peoples!
      When I hear that an Armenian * is called * a Khach and rejoice not realizing that the Khach is translated from Turkic as well as from Armenian as a cross, then I see the future of the new generation as not bright!
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 28 2013 17: 48 New
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    I completely agree with you !!!
    There’s nothing to add!
    Is it about the bathhouse, which was once built in Iran and which was drowned with one candle!
    The British took it apart by stone and reassembled it, but they did not understand the principle of action at the time and could not achieve the effect!

    Bahaaddin Muhammad ibn Hussein Ameli, nicknamed Sheikh Baha'i, was a prominent Iranian scientist of the 16-17th centuries, who possessed considerable knowledge in philosophy, logic, astronomy and mathematics. He also left behind beautiful poems and other literary works, writing about 85 books and treatises. Sheikh Bahai also raised many students, later prominent scientists, as well as designed and built a number of magnificent buildings of the Safavid era.
    There are few who, when visiting the city of Isfahan, did not see one of the most famous works of Sheikh Baha'i, i.e. bath of Sheikh Bahai. A bath in which water was heated using a single candle. This building, according to its technical and mathematical calculations, is considered one of the masterpieces of engineering.
    The bathhouse was built in 1654. The water in it was heated by natural gas, methane, which was formed in the sewer network of the Cathedral Mosque of Isfahan. Also, the leak of oil from the oil mill, which was located next to the bath, allowed to keep the fire of the candle constantly lit. Various oils were squeezed out in the creamery, and the liquid flowing into a special tank was actually ready-made fuel for heating water.
    Iranian researcher Ali-Asgar Barahmaned, who has been researching the Sheikh Baha'i bath heating system for many years, says: “Since gold has excellent heat conductivity, the use of this metal in the reservoir system made it possible to maintain the water temperature at the right level due to a small amount of heat.”
    He adds: “Cold water entered the water heater through the pipe from above and, passing through this device, was heated by the flame of a candle and accordingly heated all the rooms of the bathhouse.”
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  • dddym
    dddym April 28 2013 18: 02 New
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    Well, this is understandable - every praise is swamped ... What have you attributed all the achievements of Asia to yourself? Hey, have a conscience - we have most of the country in Asia. How could it become uncomfortable! But no - you’re used to the fact that Russia owes you, from territory to resources and of course money. But you have the right to teach whom and what to do in our country, what to teach, whom to read and where to send boots for washing. Do not bury yourself like that ?! Can we ask a question about the Altai Territory? Something too painfully long, he was divided in half. Well arranged - everyone got it and now sit and spit on those who created this country for you.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 28 2013 18: 09 New
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    Quote: dddym
    Well, this is understandable - every praise is swamped ... What have you attributed all the achievements of Asia to yourself?

    I do not understand, in the sense of Asia ??))))
    Where am I in Okinawa?)))))))))))
    Quote: dddym
    . But you have the right to teach whom and what to do in our country, what to teach, whom to read and where to send boots for washing. Do not bury yourself like that ?! Can we ask a question about the Altai Territory? Something too painfully long, he was divided in half. Well arranged - everyone got it and now sit and spit on those who created this country for you.

    What are you speaking about??
    Have you come to me with these questions?
  • dddym
    dddym April 28 2013 18: 22 New
    +3
    You just intervened in the dialogue. And fell under the hot hand. As for Asia - Asia is big and there are a lot of peoples living in it, including Russians - they also live in Asia. To ascribe to merit the merits of the whole continent is also to me please attribute. I also live in Asia. Only in Krasnoyarsk.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 28 2013 18: 34 New
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    Quote: dddym
    To ascribe to merit the merits of the whole continent is also to me please attribute.

    I personally am pleased to attribute you as well!)))
  • dddym
    dddym April 28 2013 19: 28 New
    +2
    Gentlemen, the nationalists set the cons. So the potential allies will turn their backs on you because I tried to protect you from the attacks of the Nazis and now I understand that you do not need this. You yourself are Natsik.
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 28 2013 23: 14 New
    +3
    Well, actually they asked about the camps, answered about the camps. There was a talk (for my part) about Eurocentrism, touched on the theme of the eternal superiority of Asia and the temporary triumph of West Europe.
    Russia is geographically Asia by and large. Moreover, Russians, Ukrainians differ from Western Slavs in that, in terms of mentality, they are more Asians than Europeans. But the Russian mind does not agree to be Asian, does not want to realize its kinship (and not only cultural, geographical and historical) with the "Tatar people". From this and many problems. They are drawn to the "Germans", but they do not recognize the East Slavs as their own. Here are Czechs for the Western world - their own, and Russians scare them with their Asian character and Slavic unpredictability.

    What the hell it was written that "used to, that Russia owes you" ???? What is the hint? This is when the Kazakhs got into debt to Russia? In Soviet times, the Kazakh SSR was a donor republic of the Union budget, we gave more than we received. We haven’t built any Disneylands here. In tsarist times, the Russian government didn’t give anything to the Kazakhs at all, only took away lands for the stubborn Stolypin migrants. And after 1991, again, we did not receive and did not demand any free nishtyaks from Russia. So what is it "we are used to"? When and how much did Russia give us money?

    And where did I teach you "where to wash boots"? I just recalled the expansion of the Russian Empire (and then the USSR) to the East. Forgot when the Russian army stormed Tashkent? Not sure about Paul’s order to march on India? Not aware of Russian-British differences over Central Asia? Do not remember the Soviet invasion of Iran, RI in Chinese Xinjian? And how did Soviet aircraft bomb Kabul in the 20s, too, not in the know? But how was China forced to recognize the independence of Mongolia under the protectorate of the USSR? Did I think of Romanovs and Bolsheviks and Zhirinovsky’s "washing boots in the Indian Ocean"? Instead of your annoyance, then study better the history of your own country. Then you will not be surprised.

    Altai Territory - the land is not Russian at all. Yes, now this territory is divided between the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan, Mongolia and China, as it has historically developed. But this land is the cradle of all the Türks, who are still the main population of Altai (the Russian Altai Territory is only a part of the whole Altai). And the main Turkic population of Altai (at the same time autochthonous) is precisely the Kazakhs. What is in Mongolia, what is in China, not to mention the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan. Try to take away part of Altai from Kazakhstan - in an instant Russia will end on the Volga. We are not Germans, and not French.

    And who created the country for us - the Russians? Die your Russian chauvinism. My ancestors over this land for centuries fought in blood with the Dzungars, Manchus, and others, when the Russians here didn’t even smell.
  • Denis
    Denis April 28 2013 23: 28 New
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    Quote: Marek Rozny
    In Soviet times, the Kazakh SSR was a donor republic of the Union budget
    Enough pi ... lie editorials, what is your own? the checkbox gives out, fu, it stinks
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 29 2013 00: 14 New
    +3
    Why are you lying? Do you even know that 9 out of 10 bullets during the Second World War were cast from Kazakh lead? But has oil been extracted in KZ for more than 100 years, while in Russia oil began to be extracted only in the 70s? And what about uranium in Soviet reactors and bombs - from Kazakhstan? And what did the Kazakh SSR produce millions of tons of grain, metals, gas, meat, coal and other things for the USSR? Do not know - be silent. You won’t look stupid. The Caucasus is an all-Union health resort, the Kuban is an all-Union granary, Kuzbass is an all-Union forge, and Kazakhstan is an all-Union granary, forge and polygon.

    And about the stink - so you sniff at yourself. This is not a flag stinks that Beeline "assigned" to me ...
  • Denis
    Denis April 29 2013 00: 26 New
    -1
    I don’t poke that ... as Zheglov was told
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    But has oil been extracted in KZ for more than 100 years, and in Russia Siberian oil began to be extracted only in the 70s? And what is still uranium in Soviet reactors and bombs - from Kazakhstan?
    Stop fucking ...... newspaper!
    Hitler did not want to take the oil of Grozny and Baku? almost kz
    The bomb was collected from Tajik (Chkalovsk) uranium, at least some kind of troll shouted that from Czech
    lying, talking with a person, and the newspaper is good ...
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 29 2013 01: 55 New
    +2
    But will I "stick out" to you if you yourself do not follow the language? you follow your smell, then you won’t stink in your nose.
    1) In Baku and Grozny, production was in even greater volumes than in Kazakhstan. I'm not talking about Chechnya and not about Azerbaijan, but about those lands that the Russians call their own. And until oil began to pump in Siberia, hydrocarbons were extracted in Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan.
    2) Are you talking about the first atomic bomb? And about the other bombs and reactors do not want to talk? Even now, Russia is forced to buy uranium in Kazakhstan, because Russia does not have commercial uranium mining.

    Calm down and accept the information as it is. Some people cannot get the myth out of their heads that they supposedly fed all the nat.okrains ... Solzhenitsyn will live for a long time in your head, in vain that he wasn’t touted in the United States on the topic of "arranging Russia." With such thinking, there will definitely be no cooperation with you. You have around you some parasites, beggars and traitors. The Russians quickly forgot how they were evacuated to Central Asia during the war. When the German reached Moscow, how many Russians left for Kazakhstan, Tashkent, Kyrgyzstan, etc.? What do you not remember? But now you reproach with a piece of bread of these same Central Asians whose fathers of your fathers sheltered. Ivana-not-remembering-kinship.
  • UrraletZ
    UrraletZ 1 May 2013 18: 37 New
    -3
    If it weren’t for Russia, you would still live in Turkestan and would be divided into khanates, zhuzes, emirates, tribes, and other formations and you NEVER had your own full-fledged national states (the Khorezmite, Chingizid and Timurid formations do not count - they were conglomerates tribes).
    No one disputes the discoveries of scientists, but your peoples do not equal them, but often foreign cultures that are hostile to you and to us.
    As for the fact that “poor guest workers” “are not allowed to pray normally” and “are not allowed to build mosques”, this is my country and people living in Russia, it is NOT accepted from us, Orthodox, that there are many mosques, datsans and other synagogues there - I do not like - return to your homeland and pray in them as you want; It is NOT possible for us to pray in the streets of hundreds and thousands of Muslims, making it difficult for normal citizens to be in the streets and embarrassing them, because with this you invade our personal cultural space.
    I have many Muslim friends and none of them whine about being "lacking in mosques" or "forbidden to pray insolently on the streets." They understand that they are visiting and will not be impudent and demand that they form Asia in a separate Russian corner.
    I consider any religion so intimate to allow it to invade the state, and even more so, to invade state life. Especially this is the sin of the Muslim states, in which the Islamists again try to gain the upper hand. As far as I know, in any post-Soviet Central Asian country religion is prohibited from interfering in the affairs of the state and for any propaganda of radical Islam you can get a hat on the very tomatoes.
    Migrant workers are not from a good life coming to us, but to lead a normal existence. And here erefiya is afraid to do something. Instead of promoting Russian culture and making them “agents of influence” of Russia, “Gaster” see the dominance of the Western way of life and they don’t need SUCH that - they are saved in their little world with prayers, Allah, as well as traditionally international pastime - drunkenness (in my city, drunks were evicted from a couple of hostels and now Central Asians live in them - there’s a solid "blue hole" - I have not seen ANY prayers and appeals to Allah, but only screams, boozes and fights).
    And about “Kyrgyzstan”, yours — as the Kirghiz were for us, they will remain Kyrgyz, and the fact that your kurultai is trying to shove cotton wool in the ears of the world community about “democracy” and “glasnost” —as you were such a parasite, will remain — even the army you can’t keep yours normally
    Well, in the end, I’ll summarize the following, that in all of her and not only her troubles, as well as throughout the post-Soviet space, erefiya is to blame for herself ONLY because she chews on the snot and instead of an intelligible and reasonable answer to the current world challenges, if A says, but it doesn’t bring him to Y. And we are guilty of spoiling our authorities, or rather those who call themselves as such ...
    And to all enemies - do not kick the sleeping bear - Russia is sleeping, hiding from above with a blanket of erefii. But I do not envy you (liberals, democrats, Islamists, fascists) when she wakes up ...
  • dddym
    dddym April 29 2013 09: 24 New
    0
    I'm not a chauvinist at all - just rudeness can only be answered with rudeness. There is only one fact - there was no Kazakhstan before the revolution, but there were tribes that did not have their own written language, a single center, and if not for Soviet power, then you would be slaves to all the same Chinese.
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 29 2013 11: 40 New
    0
    Quote: dddym
    just rudeness can only be answered with rudeness.

    poke your finger where I got you naughty.
    Quote: dddym
    there was no Kazakhstan before the revolution, but there were tribes that did not have their own written language, a single center, and if not for Soviet power, then you would be slaves to all the same Chinese.

    1) The Kazakh Khanate was formed in the middle of the 15th century. Russia maintained diplomatic relations with the Kazakh state, right up to the accession of the Kazakh Khanate to the Russian Empire. The khanate was liquidated by force by tsarism on the basis of the "Charter on Siberian Kirghiz", developed in 1822. As a result of this, instead of the Kazakh Khanate, governor generals were formed. So before talking about the fact that the Kazakhs did not have their own state, it would be useful to read at least something about the history of Kazakhstan.
    2) Kazakhs before the Cyrillic alphabet used the Latin alphabet in 30-40 years, before that (even before the advent of the Russians) writing was like that of all Muslims on the basis of Arabica, before Islam - the ancestors of the Kazakhs used the Turkic runic script. Other alphabets were also used later - Chagatai writing, Sogdian writing, etc.
    3) Kazakh capitals:
    a) Ancient and medieval capitals in Kazakhstan:
    Suyab - Turkic Kaganate (552-603)
    Yangikent (settlement) - Oguz state (750-1055), abandoned by residents in the XII century.
    Taraz is one of the capitals of the State of Karakhanids (840-1212)
    Balasagun (located on the territory of the modern Kyrgyz Republic) - one of the capitals of the State of Karakhanids (840-1212), the capital from 942 to 1042, was captured by the Mongols in 1219 and destroyed in the XIV century.
    Koylyk - Karluk Khanate (960-1222)
    Almalyk - Karluk Khanate (1200-1222)
    Saraichik - Nogai Khanate (1440-1634)
    Orda Bazar is a city on the territory of Kazakhstan and the eastern capital of the Golden Horde from 1224 to 1254. It was located about 150 km northwest of the modern city of Zhezkazgan.
    b) Kazakh Khanate:
    Suzak is the capital of the Kazakh Khanate (1465-1469, 1511-1521).
    Syganak - the capital of the Kipchaks (XII — XIV); Ak-Orda rate (XIV — XV); in 1446, Khan Abulkhair moved his capital here and until the XNUMXth century Syganak was the center of the Kazakh Khanate.
    Turkistan
    Tashkent
    c) Kazakhstan in the XX — XXI centuries:
    Orenburg (1920-1924)
    Kzyl-Orda (1924-1929)
    Alma-Ata (1929-1997)
    Akmola (since December 10, 1997, renamed to Astana on July 6, 1998)
    4) The Chinese do not need to scare us. Firstly, at that time they themselves were enslaved by the Manchus (the Qing Empire), secondly, the Manchus (rustlers in Kazakh) could not achieve any conquests in the Kazakh steppe, and thirdly, even if they defeated the Kazakhs, then they simply did not have human resources to physically seize Kazakhstan. For example, even in Xinjiang, which belonged to the Qing Empire, the Manchu themselves did not exist, and there were a minimal number of Chinese. The main population was Türks (mainly Uyghurs). Even today, the Chinese in Xinjiang make up half of the population, and given the fact that almost all of these Chinese have been resettled in this region over the past few decades. The Chinese still can not "digest" the Uighurs, not like the Kazakh steppes. So scare the Chinese Far East - this is where you need to first of all worry.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 29 2013 14: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: dddym
    I'm not a chauvinist at all
    You may not be a chauvinist, but like many of your fellow countrymen, you don’t know the history of the peoples with whom you lived, so you think that everyone was in a difficult situation and if you hadn’t lost it all!
    That’s the trouble!
    By WWII
    Already in 1941, a record amount of oil was produced in Baku - 23,5 million tons. Neither before nor after did the oil industry of Azerbaijan reach such an indicator. The oil refining plan was implemented at 122,8%. The plan for the production of gasoline - by 118%. In 1942, in connection with the occupation of the North Caucasus, oil production in Maykop and Grozny ceased. In addition, the railway connecting Baku with the Center was cut. Despite this, oil delivery from Baku did not stop. Oil products from Baku were transported along the Caspian Sea and further through Central Asia and Kazakhstan.
    Particular attention was paid to the production of petroleum products directly for the needs of the army. With the exception of a brief period in 1942, the production of aviation gasoline and other materials for the front increased continuously. Baku refineries regularly exceeded refined oil production plans. In 1943, the oil refining industry of Azerbaijan fulfilled the plan for the production of aviation gasolines by 134%, naphtha - by 127,9%, kerosene - by 101,7%, diesel fuel - by 139,6%, aircraft oils - by 105,7%, naval fuel - by 162% 1. And in subsequent years, the production of all types of oil industry products related to the supply of the army, continuously grew. “It is the fuel of Baku,” as E.B. Muradaliev, - set in motion Soviet tanks, planes, cars, bringing more and more victories over fascism!
  • Ronin201
    Ronin201 1 May 2013 16: 55 New
    -1
    And after the revolution and Roissy as such did not die, the empire died, the correct state of the Soviet Union appeared!
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 28 2013 23: 17 New
    +1
    Well, actually they asked about the camps, answered about the camps. There was a talk (for my part) about Eurocentrism, touched on the theme of the eternal superiority of Asia and the temporary triumph of West Europe.
    Russia is geographically Asia by and large. Moreover, Russians, Ukrainians differ from Western Slavs in that, in terms of mentality, they are more Asians than Europeans. But the Russian mind does not agree to be Asian, does not want to realize its kinship (and not only cultural, geographical and historical) with the "Tatar people". From this and many problems. They are drawn to the "Germans", but they do not recognize the East Slavs as their own. Here are Czechs for the Western world - their own, and Russians scare them with their Asian character and Slavic unpredictability.

    What the hell it was written that "used to, that Russia owes you" ???? What is the hint? This is when the Kazakhs got into debt to Russia? In Soviet times, the Kazakh SSR was a donor republic of the Union budget, we gave more than we received. We haven’t built any Disneylands here. In tsarist times, the Russian government didn’t give anything to the Kazakhs at all, only took away lands for the stubborn Stolypin migrants. And after 1991, again, we did not receive and did not demand any free nishtyaks from Russia. So what is it "we are used to"? When and how much did Russia give us money?
    And where did I teach you "where to wash boots"? I just recalled the expansion of the Russian Empire (and then the USSR) to the East. Forgot when the Russian army stormed Tashkent? Not sure about Paul’s order to march on India? Not aware of Russian-British disagreements regarding Central Asia? Do not remember the Soviet invasion of Iran, RI in Chinese Xinjian? And how did Soviet aircraft bomb Kabul in the 20s, too, not in the know? But how was China forced to recognize the independence of Mongolia under the protectorate of the USSR? Did I think of Romanovs and Bolsheviks and Zhirinovsky’s "washing boots in the Indian Ocean"? Instead of your annoyance, then study better the history of your own country. Then you will not be surprised.

    Altai Territory - the land is not Russian at all. Yes, now this territory is divided between the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan, Mongolia and China. But this land is the cradle of all Türks. Which are still the main population of Altai (the Russian Altai Territory is only a part of the whole Altai). And the main Turkic population of Altai (at the same time autochthonous) is precisely the Kazakhs. What is in Mongolia, what is in China, not to mention the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan. Try to take away part of Altai from Kazakhstan - in an instant Russia will end on the Volga.
    We are not Germans, and not French.
    And who created the country for us - the Russians? Die your Russian chauvinism. My ancestors over this land for centuries fought in blood with the Dzungars, Manchus, and others, when the Russians here didn’t even smell.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop April 28 2013 18: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Yarbay
    A bath in which water was heated using a single candle. This building, according to its technical and mathematical calculations, is considered one of the masterpieces of engineering.
    By the way, copper has a much higher coefficient of thermal conductivity. Or was copper not kosher to use? By the way, if you calculate the MAXIMUM amount of heat generated by a candle (even excluding heat loss AT ALL) and compare it with the amount of heat needed to heat the volume of water needed for a bath, then ... the numbers will not converge ... I’ll venture to assume that the result in Iceland the construction of such a bath would be even worse (if not built at the location of the thermal springs) ...;)
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 28 2013 18: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Misantrop
    and compare with the amount of heat

    that's just the point, it is given here briefly!
    and if you go to Isfahan, they will tell you in detail)))
    Quote: Misantrop
    I would venture to suggest

    but I’m sure that in those days few knew about this))))))
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop April 28 2013 19: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: Yarbay
    in those days, few knew about it)))
    The fact is that heat engineering was part of my specialty (nuclear engineers taught this very seriously). So I can easily figure out the heat balance even without reference books wink
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 28 2013 22: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Misantrop
    The fact is that heat engineering was part of my specialty (nuclear engineers taught this very seriously). So I can easily figure out the heat balance even without reference books

    Well, I’m kind of talking about this, in the 17th century nuclear engineers were hardly engineers)))))))))
  • Tartary
    Tartary April 29 2013 11: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Misantrop
    The fact is that heat engineering was part of my specialty (nuclear engineers taught this very seriously). So I can easily figure out the heat balance even without reference books

    Energy conservation law crossed out? Or created your new? Rzhunemagu ....
    Quote: Misantrop
    Quote: Yarbay
    A bath in which water was heated using a single candle. This building, according to its technical and mathematical calculations, is considered one of the masterpieces of engineering.

    One misunderstood what he wrote, the other picked up - and-and-and-and, here's a new epoch-making invention)))))))))))
    When viewing Prokopenko and Chapman on RenTV, filter the lion’s portion ...
    Good luck.
  • TURAR
    TURAR April 29 2013 11: 15 New
    0
    The transition of "consciousness" from one part of mankind to another STUPIDness before the limited resources of the earth. I don’t see the subject of dispute on this page at all! Now we are all facing a catastrophe, I mean all of humanity, by the way we all came up against an energy dead end. And only "civilization" as a whole can solve it, and this, in my opinion, is globalization and the departure of nationalities and the concepts of individual peoples. But on what conditions and who? The USSR could be at the forefront and build new laws of the future order of mankind. And the current disputes of nationalities are needed for those who do not want to see US in the future, and this is insulting.
  • Denis
    Denis April 28 2013 17: 35 New
    +3
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    I'm not saying that until recently, Europeans had no idea about hygiene and other basic things.
    But what about such a common myth as about slavery about unwashed Russia
    Western sorrow teachers disagree with you
  • Focker
    Focker April 28 2013 18: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Although in fact, Europe has lived all its life on the edge of scientific thought (and Asian). From the time of the industrial revolution until the 20th century, Europe has pulled ahead for several centuries, but now everything is back - Asia is moving forward, Europe is slipping back to where it has been all these centuries - in the world.

    brandsI'm just amazed! Reading your comments on topwar, I am not surprised, namely, amazed at your obsession with Asians in general and Turks in particular! This is a phenomenal thing! In general, I thought for myself that one way or another, sooner or later you are here on topwar.ru, all the significant achievements in science, military achievements ascribe to the Turks, and if it does not work, then to the Asians !!)))
    Here you are in this case saying that Asia was developed in a scientific sense better than Europe before and will prevail somewhat AFTER in the future. Along the way, you give the names of these five outstanding People and talk about several other achievements that Asia can boast. Ok, I have neither the time nor the desire to sort out the details, so I will accept everything that you said at face value. In response, I will give you a list of Nobel laureates in physics over the last ~ 100 years that this award exists, minus representatives of Asia (~ 15 people out of more than 190!). This will result in a list of approximately 175 people. These are all representatives of North America and Europe (I consider Russian / Soviet scientists to be Europe in this case). I repeat that these are all people whose achievements are recognized + only in the last century and only in physics alone. So I very much doubt that you will give a comparable list of achievements of the representatives of Asia. I would venture to even say that for all the time.

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_лауреатов_Нобелевск
  • Focker
    Focker April 28 2013 18: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    Although in fact, Europe has lived all its life on the edge of scientific thought (and Asian). From the time of the industrial revolution until the 20th century, Europe has pulled ahead for several centuries, but now everything is back - Asia is moving forward, Europe is slipping back to where it has been all these centuries - in the world.

    brandsI'm just amazed! Reading your comments on topwar, I am not surprised, namely, amazed at your obsession with Asians in general and Turks in particular! This is a phenomenal thing! In general, I thought for myself that one way or another, sooner or later you are here on topwar.ru, all the significant achievements in science, military achievements ascribe to the Turks, and if it does not work, then to the Asians !!)))
    Here you are in this case saying that Asia was developed in a scientific sense better than Europe before and will prevail somewhat AFTER in the future. Along the way, you give the names of these five outstanding People and talk about several other achievements that Asia can boast. Ok, I have neither the time nor the desire to sort out the details, so I will accept everything that you said at face value. In response, I will give you a list of Nobel laureates in physics over the last ~ 100 years that this award exists, minus representatives of Asia (~ 15 people out of more than 190!). This will result in a list of approximately 175 people. These are all representatives of North America and Europe (I consider Russian / Soviet scientists to be Europe in this case). I repeat that these are all people whose achievements are recognized + only in the last century and only in physics alone. So I very much doubt that you will give a comparable list of achievements of the representatives of Asia. I would venture to even say that for all the time.

    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_лауреатов_Нобелевской_премии_по_физике
  • Earthman
    Earthman April 28 2013 20: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: Focker
    I'm just amazed!

    He meant that Central Asia was not backward. all nations once fought in ancient times, the reason for this is competition, which means that every person is a warrior. Now, one tribe conquers another, which means it assimilates the subjugated oneself or vice versa. Well, Marek meant that the Turks in the 4-5 centuries came to the open spaces of world competition, as they united under one kagan, which means they began to steer in the history of that time, and now, can a stupid and idiotic population be strong? it is obvious that the Türks greatly prevailed in the military art until the 15th century. You did not agree that Farabi is a Kazakh. Yes, you are right in something, he is not Kazakh in the modern sense, but the genes of him and his relatives have probably been flowing for a long time among the Kazakhs, is not it? Well, not a Byzantine and not Novgorod? Biruni - Karakalpak, is also puzzling, but his genes flow with probability into Karakalpak. But the thought boils down to what? to the fact that the peoples were invented by people themselves, by the eyes of the Earth there are only species that inhabit it, do you understand the idea? and religions, too, were created by people, and education, and machines are all the fruit of people's fantasies, and now they are stupidly observing rituals, not understanding why a people or tribe came to this or that understanding of God. Catch a thought?
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 28 2013 21: 33 New
    +4
    Foker, the question was posed: "who was in science in your camps there?" I replied. Be amazed how much will fit.
    Regarding the Nobel laureates - and who argues that the list of winners is almost the only Western European? 80% of the laureates are representatives of the German language group. The commission selects from among these peoples. The remaining 20% ​​are Soviet, French, Italians, and Asians. How long has the United States become a leader in science? Just last night. Well done, no bazaar. It doesn’t even bother me that the majority of Americans and others are ethnic Jews (even among Soviet / Russian laureates). You will notice the growth of Asians over the past 20 years - the Japanese, the Chinese (sometimes under a different flag).
    I say that Western European science has been steering for only four centuries and is now giving way to Asians. Japanese and Chinese Jews are being squeezed. East woke up.
  • arseke
    arseke April 30 2013 22: 50 New
    +3
    Dear Marek,
    I often read your comments, almost always agree with you.
    Salem to you from Astana.
    I have always been very positive about integration processes in the post-Soviet space and the friendship of peoples. Especially the friendship of Kazakhstanis and Russians.
    But, lately I have the impression that we are already too different and Uncle Sam has already won. Look at us! Dogs with each other, ready to water each other at the slightest occasion. Each of us believes that he is the most intelligent, successful and right-wing. But isn’t this (lack of agreement, fragmentation and conflicts) necessary for our opponents?
    Take a look! We are all in shit, head over heels. And watering them each other, we will not become cleaner.
    You say Russian "Kazakhstan is a friend!" and they say they say, "separated, and hang out on the forest yourself." And then he goes and begins to complain that they threw everything.
    He says that in our country there is a mess, corruption, feudalism, cannibalism, etc. although he has his own house burning and smelling bad.
    He says that we have only Natsik in Kz and that they kicked everyone out. Russians, do you read your comments? Which of us is Natsik here?
    They say that it’s not power but basmachi, bais and dictators. At the same time, he himself doesn’t mind shaking his own.
    He says that his people are great, the ancestors - have long gone down in history as individuals. But at the same time, his people throngedly thumps and degenerates.
    He says that Russians in Kazakhstan should be full and respected members of society, but at the same time speak very unflatteringly of any non-Russians in the Russian Federation.
    He says that namaz is "standing with cancer and chib dibilism" but at the same time demands that the Orthodox are not infringed anywhere.

    And you know what else is the trick? And the fact is that all this is applicable in both directions. If you change the Russian and Kazakhstani places in principle, it will be close to the truth.
    Do not look for specks in the eyes of others until you remove the logs from your own!

    People, understand, all of us are blundered. And we can rise only together, only if we respect each other and support. Otherwise, we will not have a very bright future.

    Best regards
  • Bekzat
    Bekzat 20 May 2013 18: 28 New
    +1
    Salem from Kyzylorda, Arsek. I agree with you one hundred percent !!! + Dear you !!!
  • TURAR
    TURAR April 29 2013 12: 02 New
    +1
    Afghanistan, too, was once quite a secular state, alas! England + Russia + USA with the goal sometimes still not clear created what we see today.
  • slas
    slas April 27 2013 13: 47 New
    +4
    Quote: tm70-71
    The knock from every second comment stinks of fascism.

    Is your homeland not an Izgale case? )
  • AK44
    AK44 April 27 2013 21: 41 New
    0
    Quote: tm70-71
    . And maybe my ancestors say thanks

    Your ancestors do not count for the fact that such a dolbo.ba raised! From each of your comments it stinks and dementia!
  • Maximus
    Maximus April 27 2013 15: 27 New
    +2
    There is no Kyrgyzstan, but there are Kyrgyz ... strange, maybe it's because we all have here?
  • Grey74
    Grey74 April 27 2013 16: 49 New
    0
    Well, there is no Mexico, but there is the Mexican United States, and take a look at the map, what is there?
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 27 2013 17: 24 New
      0
      Mexico. United States. This is Mexico's first official name, with dozens of examples. I'm talking about the fact that in Russia, Kyrgyzstan is one of the official names of the Kyrgyz Republic, it’s just so familiar to “our ear”. But we do not argue with the amers about the fact that we were called Russia or the Russian Federation, and not Russia.
  • Maximus
    Maximus April 27 2013 15: 25 New
    +6
    Because in Russian vocabulary and phonetics, it is Kyrgyz, not Kyrgyz, you do not call the Germans, Deutsche and the English, English. Kyrgyz is the self-designation of the Kyrgyz, but it is in the Kyrgyz language, and we are used to talking more in Russian.
    1. dddym
      dddym April 27 2013 16: 21 New
      +5
      In fact, Kyrgyzstan is the Kyrgyz Republic was part of the USSR - now they are not Kyrgyz but Kyrgyz. And it is in Russian! Leave him alone am
      1. Maximus
        Maximus April 27 2013 17: 33 New
        0
        About the fact that she was in the Union, the KSSR, everything is clear with this, probably only the schoolboy does not know about it. But- “from the change of place of the terms, the amount does not change. Listen to our news broadcasters and those in power, Kyrgyzstan is officially called Kyrgyzstan.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt April 27 2013 10: 02 New
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    tm70-71! Dont be upset. It was hoped that after a positive assessment of the "blooper" with the photo, for your detailed explanation, will they still thank you?
    Alas, some on the forum need not your truth, but a “fart louder,” naturally for rating and increasing their own self-esteem. The usual tactic for a certain category of people is to shout the loudest either “Hurray” or “Shame” the loudest.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 10: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: VadimSt
      It was hoped that after a positive assessment of the "blooper" with the photo, for your detailed explanation, will they still thank you?

      Above koment
      Quote: shark
      shark
      he already scattered for the bloopers in the photo.
      Quote: VadimSt
      Alas, some on the forum do not need your truth,

      There is no ours and your truth, the truth is always what it is! And the fact that the photo is the truth of modern Russia unfortunately.
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt April 27 2013 10: 29 New
        +4
        I have long understood your position and I don’t see the need to discuss with you!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 10: 42 New
          -3
          Quote: VadimSt
          I have long understood your position and I don’t see the need to discuss with you!

          Yes, I noticed this a long time ago and did not even expect to answer, especially when it comes to TRUTH wink
          1. VadimSt
            VadimSt April 27 2013 11: 18 New
            27
            You yourself answered your comment!

            My truth is that I was raised and raised in an international country. Therefore, I never identify:
            - citizens of a country with a government policy;
            - a sign of nationality with crime;
            - a bunch of neo-fascists in Lviv, or a crowd on Bolotnaya with all of Ukraine or all of Russia;

            I don’t shout “Hurray” to clap my hands and add a rating in the form of mythical epaulets - more than half of my life passed in epaulettes, which I am proud of.
            1. Victor
              Victor April 27 2013 11: 52 New
              25
              Quote: VadimSt
              I don’t shout “Hurray” to clap my hands and add a rating in the form of mythical epaulets - more than half of my life passed in epaulettes, which I am proud of.


              Hello Vadim! Good and right words. He spent half his life in airborne uniforms, grew up in a Russian officer family. He was born in Tajikistan, lived in Kazakhstan, Moldova, Ukraine according to garrisons and I know for sure that there are no bad nations, there are “NATSIKS” in any nation, including native Russian. But at the same time, I still fully support the introduction of visa and other restrictions on the entry of migrant workers in the Russian Federation. Twenty years have passed since the days of the Union, and most Asians simply do not remember and do not know about the role of Russia in the formation of their countries. They basically look at Russia as a kind of Ali Baba's cave, access to which they will now be denied. People from Asian republics should think about why this happened and why the word Open sesame no longer valid. It is time for them to restore order in their own countries and value relations with Russia.
            2. VadimSt
              VadimSt April 27 2013 13: 21 New
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              I totally agree with you!
              A civilized approach, in the national interests of the state, on migration issues is necessary. Yes, the double-dealing of the current politicians of the former CIS is not only necessary, but also necessary to fight - by all available methods.

              Migrant workers should understand - Russia is fighting not take off, but with the policies pursued by their national elites - "eat with one hand and drywall with the other." The policy of begging and blackmail, in relation to Russia, does not turn sideways to the national elite, but to the people.
              Why, in some countries, are citizens forced to go to Russia, despite the fact that thousands of Chinese workers are attracted to the country on behalf of the state? Let them seek the answer in their own country.
            3. Olegovi4
              Olegovi4 April 27 2013 19: 01 New
              +7
              And I have another example. They also lived in Middle Asia. What nationalities were not in the house (even the Greeks). They lived in the Union together, almost friends of families. When the wedding, everyone is called for a holiday, you can’t come - they will bring home a treat! When the son of the Uzbeks died, it was the grief of the whole house. And then the 90s came ... And those Uzbeks with whom they lived like that turned out to be animals. It was scary to let the children out. I still remember how the father of that family shouted - "Russian, take your suitcase, train station, Russia." So that they are what they are. And the more of them here, the stronger I myself become Natsik.
            4. Frunze
              Frunze April 28 2013 22: 49 New
              +1
              Everything is correctly stated about Central Asia, at the Osh-1 events I and the men kept the massacre from starting in Frunze (the capital), broke four police batons, these days, my deepest disappointment in yesterday’s neighbors, etc., by silent In agreement with the Kyrgyz classmates, they NEVER discussed who was where, and what they did at the Osh events, everyone understood the crack (in the relationship) couldn’t jump over ... Special thanks to the Pskov Airborne Regiment, without them we would not last long, there was treason around, cowardice and meanness what, Osh-2 only confirmed, not an accident of Osh first.
            5. TURAR
              TURAR April 29 2013 12: 09 New
              -1
              A monument was erected to Borka, a drunkard, and a juvenile spotted medal of peace. These are the values ​​of the world who cannot be washed in blood with a medal and a monument.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 12: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: VadimSt
        citizens of a country with a government policy;

        I understand that about Ukraine
        Quote: VadimSt
        sign of nationality with crime;

        48% of all crimes in Moscow are committed by migrants.
        Quote: VadimSt
        a bunch of neo-fascists in Lviv,

        Dear, this bunch got 12% of the vote. I gained 15% in freedom in Kiev, but I won’t even talk about Lviv. Here is a bunch hi
        Quote: VadimSt
        I don’t shout “Hurray” to clap my hands and add a rating in the form of mythical epaulets

        I, too, if Lenin is a traitor, then I call him a traitor, despite the hundreds of minuses on one topic. Those who are minuscule in fright are worried about the reiteration, fearing to insert comments. Trivolta in this regard, well done
      3. Manager
        Manager April 27 2013 14: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        48% of all crimes in Moscow are committed by migrants.

        Not 48 but all 78 !!!
      4. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny April 28 2013 13: 59 New
        +2
        In 2011, more than 173 thousand criminal offenses were registered in Moscow. Foreign citizens and stateless persons committed 9 thousand acts punishable by the Criminal Code.
        Official data of the Moscow police.

        But the fact that the vast majority of migrants work in violation of the Ad.Codex is another matter. But the criminality in Moscow time is for Russians, both Muscovites and visitors from other regions of Russia.
  • Earthman
    Earthman April 28 2013 20: 34 New
    0
    Quote: VadimSt
    My truth is that I was raised and raised in an international country. Therefore, I never identify:
    - citizens of a country with a government policy;
    - a sign of nationality with crime;
    - a bunch of neo-fascists in Lviv, or a crowd on Bolotnaya with all of Ukraine or all of Russia;

    A big bow to you, thanks for the adequate response and judgment.
    I want to join in verses:

    ... Judge the people by his poet, I judge the Turks by Nazim Hikmet ...
  • Denis
    Denis April 28 2013 22: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Earthman
    .Judge about the people by his poet
    Is it about judging by Shakespeare and Byron judging?
    it does not pull them
  • Lakkuchu
    Lakkuchu April 27 2013 11: 14 New
    +6
    Vadim, I wanted to support you, put a plus, but for some reason I got out a minus request no tricks shaitan))
  • tm70-71
    tm70-71 April 27 2013 10: 36 New
    +2
    Where is the truth there? The photo has nothing to do with Russia. It was necessary to attach a photo of Bolotny, would it also be TRUE?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 10: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: tm70-71
      Where is the truth there? The photo has nothing to do with Russia.

      Now I’m not talking about the photo for the article, but for the one I posted and it’s from Moscow hi
      1. tm70-71
        tm70-71 April 27 2013 11: 02 New
        0
        Maybe it's time to start doing business?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 11: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: tm70-71
          Maybe it's time to start doing business?

          Which one? To clear Russia of Islamists, I am only for hi
        2. tm70-71
          tm70-71 April 27 2013 11: 22 New
          0
          Here again. What is Islam? Who are the Islamists? Romanov, are you generally Russian, do you speak Russian well?
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 12: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: tm70-71
          Here again. What is Islam? Who are the Islamists?

          Above the people posted a video in comments, there are all the answers and even more.
        4. grandfather
          grandfather April 28 2013 02: 58 New
          0
          my grandfather, in the war, spoke German)
      2. FiremanRS
        FiremanRS April 27 2013 15: 54 New
        +5
        Alexander, I myself am not a believer. however, to say that Islamists (Christians, Jews) are to blame for everything is also not good. There are people covering up their affairs with this or that faith. And this is a completely different difference. You need to clean and oh how much you need. But not as you called it - "cleanse Russia from the Islamists ..."
      3. Setrac
        Setrac April 28 2013 16: 40 New
        0
        Quote: FiremanRS
        Alexander, I myself am not a believer. however, to say that Islamists (Christians, Jews) are to blame for everything is also not good. There are people covering up their affairs with this or that faith. And this is a completely different difference. You need to clean and oh how much you need. But not as you called it - "cleanse Russia from the Islamists ..."

        It is the Islamists, Christians, Muslims, kittens, democrats, fascists, communists, nomenklaturshiki, and other -ists, fanatics, who are evil, and lead those who doubt those who are guilty.
        Orthodox are also on the general list.
  • Maximus
    Maximus April 27 2013 11: 12 New
    0
    Do not confuse .... with a goose neck!
  • smile
    smile April 27 2013 13: 39 New
    +4
    VadimSt
    Such insignificant and petty nitpicks to penny flaws are very characteristic of infringed nationalists like you and the one you supported ... at the same time, after the exposure of an unintentional blunder, a terrible schizophrenic exposure of bad Russians, a proud but mournful mine sufferer for his people ... how tired of your attempts to "fart louder" not even to overestimate your self-esteem ... what kind of self-esteem can a person with impaired .... national pride? Just. that I am, I am, and if the world does not notice me, then the world is bad! Unfortunately, this is the usual tactic of people like you ... and pulls you, brothers in misfortune, to each other like these. which now everything is possible in Europe .... and you scream just as loudly ... and the value of your cries and you yourself are the same .... and you don’t even notice all the insignificance of your petty quibbles and the ridiculousness of idiotic thoughts .... I'm happy. that among the Russian almost does not occur ....
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 14: 00 New
      0
      Hi Vladimir! I wrote to him in PM, I didn’t write here, I don’t even have any desire. There are open nationalists who write directly and get there, but here a person writes correctly, but very cunningly .. that many are being conducted.
      1. smile
        smile April 27 2013 14: 17 New
        +5
        Alexander Romanov
        Greetings!
        I absolutely agree ... these are the cunning ones ... they are the most dangerous. By the way, many of them have such a broken psychology that they are not even able to realize how much Russophobia is driven into their heads ... they even say something good about Russia, reflexively show cookies ... without noticing it ... My God, how many years have passed since the days of "perestroika, glastnost, democresi" .... but how much the psychology of these peoples, which were really formerly a single family, has changed .... indeed, lice are much easier to get. than then get rid of them .... bitterly ...: (((
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 14: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: smile
          .that these are the tricky ... opy and are the most dangerous

          Yes, I scribbled him in PM, I think he understood my position. dispersed here today, and the soldiers are not far laughing
          Quote: smile
          indeed, lice are much easier to get. then get rid of them

          I agree, lice are a problem laughing
  • Consul-t
    Consul-t April 27 2013 15: 11 New
    0
    But in Russia, these guests do not become impudent? Are they behaving peacefully?
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar April 27 2013 17: 20 New
    +1
    Yes, that's right, with all the "... countries" the visa regime!
  • 46bob46
    46bob46 April 27 2013 21: 56 New
    0
    photos from Kazakhstan are on our website
  • Land
    Land April 28 2013 13: 37 New
    0
    That's right!
  • andrey777
    andrey777 April 27 2013 10: 08 New
    0
    Quote: tm70-71
    As a representative of the Kyrgyz Republic in this forum, this photo offends me.

    I understand that the Kyrgyz Amer’s flag, why put it on? laughing
    1. tm70-71
      tm70-71 April 27 2013 10: 38 New
      -1
      I wrote above, to the moderator a question.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 10: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: tm70-71
        I wrote above, to the moderator a question.

        Moderators and admins are not responsible for your flag, this is a question for your provider.
        1. tm70-71
          tm70-71 April 27 2013 11: 03 New
          0
          Well, then to the provider.
      2. dddym
        dddym April 27 2013 15: 23 New
        +1
        in profile you can change
  • smile
    smile April 27 2013 12: 47 New
    +4
    tm70-71
    You can take my word for it — none of the visitors, except you, noticed that in the photo "Kyrgyz", as you put it .. well, we don’t see much difference in appearance ..... maybe the thing is that it didn’t have before meanings, did not pay attention to nationalities - well, we didn’t have such nationalism as some small but proud ones allowed themselves ..... but you were offended in vain ... it’s petty that somehow for a representative of any “republic” ... .
    1. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
      Mihaylo Tishayshiy April 27 2013 14: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: smile
      You can take my word for it, none of the visitors, except you, noticed that in the photo "Kyrgyz", as you put it .. well, we don’t see much difference in appearance .....

      No, the photo of the eyes cut, not everyone will only write comments on this subject. When he served, we had both Kyrgyz and Tajiks. Those who did not see them did not communicate with them, maybe they do not distinguish between them. And those who are familiar with them will never confuse.
      1. smile
        smile April 27 2013 14: 23 New
        +4
        Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        Maybe you're right. I do not distinguish. I don’t care about their nationality - it matters to me what they think, say and do ... just as I don’t care about the picture stuck to the text - the text is important. Correcting the authors about the wrong picture is quite correct. But to start a bagpipe on this basis, and even to be insultingly insulted ..... this is only for people with impaired, swollen and carefully cherished nationalism ...
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny April 28 2013 12: 10 New
    +6
    In the photo are Kyrgyz. And at home in Kyrgyzstan. The picture here is absolutely off topic.

    Z.Y. And these same people are outraged when the Americans show the Greek pogroms, posing as events in Moscow ...
  • Land
    Land April 28 2013 13: 35 New
    -1
    In the photo, your fellow countryman depicts something that should not be depicted, but you are "offended" by the fact that the moderator put this photo. There is no logic in your note
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 28 2013 14: 11 New
      +1
      In the photo, the Kyrgyz shows a gesture to his government. why should it offend me?

      ps I am Kazakh.
  • Russian
    Russian April 27 2013 09: 20 New
    19
    This is ridiculous! They even have a visa regime with Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, and they’re like that to us! It’s high time to block this exuberant river of immigration!
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 09: 22 New
    +5
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    A strict visa regime with them should not be introduced tomorrow, but yesterday and the border should be guarded as in the USSR with capitalist states.

    it won’t give anything, they will buy visas, and it is completely impossible to completely block the state border in the south, by the way, during the Union, only in films the entire border is blocked by barbed wire and border guards with angry dogs ran around the perimeter. and smugglers went to Turkey, and with China and Mongolia, far from all the taiga was blocked and to the finals as well
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu April 27 2013 09: 27 New
      -19
      Oh Vova hello wink Long time no see.. laughing How's the trash ?! !! We look forward to your new opus ... well, with photos and drawings of course ...
      hi
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 09: 33 New
        +7
        Quote: Alibekulu
        How's the trash ?! !!

        What trash do you want to bring out laughing
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu April 27 2013 09: 44 New
          -11
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          What trash do you want to bring out


          Take out your garbage yourself .. wink
          Here is your srach fellow
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 09: 55 New
            +4
            Quote: Alibekulu
            Take out your garbage yourself

            And, it’s just wandering around in containers, well, please, we don’t feel sorry for such kindness.
            Quote: Alibekulu
            Here is your srach

            Yeah, especially after the mounds of Bairam and the like.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 09: 58 New
          0
          No, he wants to start it, he can see it in a clean place.
          1. Rustiger
            Rustiger April 27 2013 10: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            No, he wants to start it, he can see it in a clean place.

            The mere fact of the presence of such in Russia is perceived by the majority of the population as the presence of GARBAGE!
            And they need a place not as clean (this simply contradicts their "national structure"), but more as "bread / fish / meat / forest / gas / oil, etc.

            I know what I'm saying! I have been “cooperating” with such a contingent for 8 year already.
            Tomorrow I will take two to my country house - uproot maples and dig a foundation under the arbor.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 10: 46 New
              +5
              Quote: Rustiger
              The mere fact of the presence of such in Russia is perceived by the majority of the population as the presence of GARBAGE!

              Subbotnik need to conduct an unscheduled wink
            2. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu April 27 2013 12: 19 New
              -3
              Quote: Rustiger
              I know what I'm saying! I have been “cooperating” with such a contingent for 8 year already.
              Tomorrow I will take two to my country house - uproot maples and dig a foundation under the arbor.

              Here in this phrase you are all laughing
              Here Alexander Romanov writes:
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Suitcase, station, to the hut

              You support him fiercely, while:
              I have been “cooperating” with such a contingent for 8 year already.
              Tomorrow I will take two to my country house - uproot maples and dig a foundation under the arbor.

              That's why you work with them angry??
              Why don't you them Suitcase, train station, to the hut ??? !!
              Moreover, you use their services belay
              You can not find Russian request so that they earn money, feed their children, pay taxes ... and in the end .. they will not be littering, unlike this "contingent" .. stop
              Here is a video of the topic:

              You already decide ... the window sill flush he should stick out ??
              Or a suitcase, station, Tajikistan
              Or "COOPERATION"? !!! request
  • NKVD
    NKVD April 27 2013 09: 23 New
    +6
    ... the purpose of which is to humiliate the dignity of the Tajik Republic and discredit its authority.
    What dignity can we talk about when the semi-literate population of the country is gastarbarit abroad for pennies in black jobs ...
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 28 2013 13: 32 New
      +2
      And how many millions of Russians in 20 years left to work in "black jobs" and simply in the criminal sphere to Europe, the UAE, the USA? There are much more ethnic Russian "rabbis and jamshuts" beyond the hill than all Tajiks in Tajikistan. You can find a bunch of ethnic Russian prostitutes (namely Russians, not Ukrainians or Georgians) even in Seoul on Itaewon Avenue in five minutes. Tell them that Russia’s dignity is much higher than that of Tajikistan. “Natasha” is tearing it up with her girlfriend from Uzbekistan.
      All of us (republics of the ex-USSR) are floundering in turd and for the sake of fun our neighbors are trying to seem cleaner than they really are "I only have a jacket in the feces, and you also have socks full of holes."
  • zart_arn
    zart_arn April 27 2013 10: 58 New
    24
    We judge without unnecessary emotions and hatred.
    1. The percentage of offenders among representatives of the diasporas - put "-".
    2. The percentage of carriers of infections (tuberculosis, hepatitis, meningitis, etc.) - put "-".
    3. The percentage of drug trafficking participants - put a "-".
    3. The percentage of qualified personnel - put "-".
    4. Explicit labor dumping (the reason for the decrease in salaries in the labor market), put "-".
    5. Plugging holes in the niche of unpopular professions - put "+", but weak, because with a long wage deficit, they would have grown in this sector.
    6. They bring cultural diversity, maybe for "tolerasts" and plus, for me it is "-".
    You can continue further, but the "pluses" will not be added.
    This is a message to those in power for making the right decisions in the field of migration legislation. I think many will support him.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 27 2013 12: 09 New
      +6
      Quote: zart_arn
      This is a message to those in power for making the right decisions in the field of migration legislation.

      The absolute majority of the population will support, but almost the entire population, except those in power. Thus, the thirst for profit is frozen. am
  • kris
    kris April 27 2013 12: 29 New
    10
    guest workers are a feeder for hucksters. politicians and crime.
    1. RUSSIA 2013
      RUSSIA 2013 April 27 2013 14: 53 New
      +8
      you are right, we don’t have work in small cities, we can build simple Russian peasants ourselves, work normally, but they don’t give us. The question is why, because it’s more profitable to do something less than us, here’s the politician.
  • brelok
    brelok April 27 2013 15: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    An interesting picture. Directly in oil. Not the Russians to them, but they are an avalanche rod and dictate the rules of the game. A strict visa regime with them should not be introduced tomorrow, but yesterday and the border should be guarded as in the USSR with capitalist states. With the same Afghanistan. Break the direct train to the Tajik border, from the Russian border. From wagon to wagon through tight border, sanitary and customs controls. It is easy to apply if the authorities are interested in this. So far, it seems the opposite. Someone benefits from this mess on the border.

    "Slaves" carry. Our dealers need a free slave.
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar April 27 2013 17: 19 New
    -1
    It’s time to block the chaos that is happening on the border! But for some reason, the authorities are not moving about this; Putin has only been threatening to enter foreign passports since 2015, which in turn will not solve the problem in any way.
    Central Asia has an exceptionally tough visa regime!
  • Zen
    Zen April 27 2013 20: 05 New
    +1
    It is not necessary to introduce visa regimes with the countries of Central Asia, but to unite in one state under the leadership of Russia!
    And hang their kings on the pillars! The people of Central Asia are waiting for this.
    I am sure if we reunite again and no Uzbeks, Tajiks or Kirghiz want to live in Russia
    Under the Union, life in Tashkent was no worse than in Moscow !!!
    I want to go back to the USSR !!!!
  • Civil
    Civil April 27 2013 08: 28 New
    15
    1. It is NOT JUST THAT raise the topic of Tajikistan on TV and the press, which means installation has been given.
    2. Apparently there is an opinion that after the election, technologists from the USA are preparing another "democratic" revolution.
    3. You may have to withdraw 201 base. To Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan.
    4. Without 201 bases, the state of Tajikistan will cease to exist, as it will not resist the Afghans.
    1. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq April 27 2013 08: 45 New
      +6
      It is much more efficient to close the border and introduce strict control (visa anti-drug), shake these trains like sticky, and the presence of this base makes us too inferior to our "brothers" in the USSR (although they never were brothers, Russian rotters always and everywhere) .Then maybe Rakhmon will think about how to maintain power without Russian bayonets, maybe he will do something for his citizens inside the country.
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil April 27 2013 09: 05 New
        13
        humiliation of the dignity of the Tajik Republic and the discrediting of its authority.
        Doesn't that sound funny!
        1. Alexander
          Alexander April 27 2013 09: 18 New
          +2
          I feel that p *** a will come to Tajikistan.
          1. bear
            bear April 27 2013 16: 17 New
            +1
            yeah, he will come, and when the bearded ones finish building the caliphate in Tajikistan, they will be engaged in Kazakhs and Russia, and then everything will be n ****
        2. Rustiger
          Rustiger April 27 2013 09: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: almost demob
          humiliation of the dignity of the Tajik Republic and the discrediting of its authority.
          Doesn't that sound funny!

          Well, right from the "language removed." . .
          Yes, the whole article is humorous.)))))))
          And how do you like it -
          Tajikistan turned out to be angry that information that I had heard about myself from Russia for a week

          After such incidents "on the carpet" in Dushanbe, Russian Ambassador Yuri Popov was summoned, who was handed a note with indignation about the political "arbitrariness" on the part of Russia towards Tajikistan.

          To demonstrate their readiness to deliver a peculiar retaliatory strike, in Tajikistan they decided to get rid of information plates and advertisements more actively, primarily in Russian.

          Etc. . . . laughing

          I would suggest that this or similar articles be “voiced” by Petrosyans, Zhvan and Khazans. From the TV viewer. . . The audience would be lying under the chairs laughing
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 09: 55 New
        +1
        Excuse me, who is stopping now?
        The FMS knows how much has arrived, they must be registered, it just doesn’t do it because it’s beneficial to someone, and it’s not easy and easy to figure out inaccessibility in their environment. the introduction of a visa regime will not unfortunately change anything
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 27 2013 12: 03 New
          +5
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          The FMS knows how much has arrived, they must be registered, it just doesn’t do it because it’s beneficial to someone, and it’s not easy and easy to figure out inaccessibility in their environment. the introduction of a visa regime will not unfortunately change anything


          According to the deputy head of the border service of the FSB of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Mochalov, the complexity of controlling drug trafficking is complicated by the fact that Tajik citizens can enter Russia with internal passports. National documents of Tajik citizens do not have a sufficient level of security and are not read by Russian automatic control systems, explained V.Mochalov.
          On the eve of D. Rogozin said that already in 2013. people who come to Russia from the CIS will be required to have a passport with them when crossing the border. In his opinion, it is necessary to stop entering the Russian Federation on documents that are not subject to identification. First of all, this concerns railway communication with Tajikistan.





          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 14: 36 New
            -1
            Quote: Ascetic

            According to the deputy head of the border service of the FSB of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Mochalov, the complexity of controlling drug trafficking is complicated by the fact that Tajik citizens can enter Russia with internal passports. National documents of Tajik citizens do not have a sufficient level of security and are not read by Russian automatic control systems, explained V. Mochalov.

            Yes, a hedgehog it’s clear that they are the most difficult in the FMS
            when crossing the state border of the Russian Federation, border guards register everyone (we are talking about those who cross the border officially, everyone fills out a card that the border guards stamp, then with enta paper you go to your place of residence and register there in due time, or you don’t register and become illegal.
            do you have a passport or not, but have an internal passport.
          2. AndreyAB
            AndreyAB April 27 2013 18: 20 New
            0
            We are waiting for when it will be one hundred percent, when it will be late - then the triumph of democracy and Russia will no longer be - thanks to the democratic Duma of the legislative Russia, the most evil thought in the world (with regards to its own people).
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu April 27 2013 09: 41 New
      +7
      Quote: Civil
      . It is NOT JUST THUS raise the topic of Tajikistan on TV and the press, which means installation has been given.


      A situation similar to that of the overthrow of Bakiev in Kyrgyzstan is clearly being drawn. Recall that just before this 1 of April, Russia greatly increased duties on the export of gasoline to Kyrgyzstan, which led to a sharp rise in price in Kyrgyzstan and hit very simple Kyrgyz families.
      And just a few days later, this led to bloody unrest, which eventually forced Bakiyev to flee the capital.
      And in Tajikistan, elections are coming soon ...
      In fact, Moscow neatly poses a veiled ultimatum to Dushanbe .. (Fortunately, Bakiev’s example is before his eyes) ...
      1. tm70-71
        tm70-71 April 27 2013 10: 17 New
        +4
        You say the truth dear, it will be so. State officials will ... for their own people and the stranger. The duller the water, the better it is to catch a fish.
      2. smile
        smile April 27 2013 14: 01 New
        +4
        Alibekulu
        Here you are probably right ... but the thing is, Moscow is forced to do this ... forced precisely by the position of the Tajik authorities, who are trying to get on the heels and don’t rip off her ass ... so that all responsibility for worsening the life of the people lies entirely on the shoulders of their national elite ... and Moscow is doing this neatly and after many years of trying to establish allied relations ... unfortunately, it doesn’t even reach them that the days of unilateral grants and preferences are gone ... and tolerate ambivalent politics and anti-Russian actions inside their country no one will tolerate more ... do you think that we are obliged to do otherwise?
        1. smile
          smile April 27 2013 15: 09 New
          +3
          smile
          , I honestly wrote - a Christmas tree ... :))) who added the letter "t"? Robot? :)))) a funny mistake happened ....
  • Kazakh number 1
    Kazakh number 1 April 27 2013 10: 42 New
    +6
    And what is the matter with us, in the south of Kazakhstan, in the gardens and fields, Uzbeks are working (Tajiks somehow did not take root) and nothing. There is a joke in the subject. Nazarbayev came to Uzbekistan to Karimov. Karimov carries Nazarbayev around Tashkent and tells him, "We have a Daewoo machine in the yard of every Uzbek," to which Nazarbayev answers, "and ten Uzbeks are working in the yard of every Kazakh." What is there to talk about. If they don’t want to work, then others will do it. Isn't that right?
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 27 2013 11: 30 New
      -2
      look and listen, what is the right song. Everything is honest in it in verses and choruses, no lies! Tolibjon Kurbankhanov from Tajikistan dedicated his song GDP to Vladimir Putin.

      1. Garrin
        Garrin April 27 2013 12: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: djon3volta
        Tolibjon Kurbankhanov from Tajikistan dedicated his song GDP to Vladimir Putin.

        Yes, Eugene, you have some kind of musical predilections. Be treated with electricity. laughing
      2. almost demobil
        almost demobil April 27 2013 15: 22 New
        0
        What the fuck is this ?! Chock forgot to insert words such as the wisest, the light of life, the center of the universe, the refuge of peace and wisdom into the song. Some sort of vomit, it would be better to howl about his bais.
        1. zart_arn
          zart_arn April 27 2013 19: 29 New
          0
          For us, a complete shnyaga, for Akbarovites - the light of life. For them, he is now a gracious buy! am
      3. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka April 27 2013 16: 23 New
        +3
        there are also correct words with 1.54 "Russia has become a stable country,unworthy began to break into power"
    2. smile
      smile April 27 2013 14: 03 New
      0
      Kazakh number 1
      I didn’t know ... but the Uzbeks probably won’t like the joke ..... but there are no conflicts?
  • Maks111
    Maks111 April 27 2013 11: 56 New
    0
    The fact that it is time to introduce a visa regime with the countries of Central Asia, I think - this is clear to many. But why not enter? But only the next: "blah blah blah" That's the question.
  • Maximus
    Maximus April 27 2013 14: 59 New
    0
    This is a matter of geopolitics, our interests are in the background
  • brelok
    brelok April 27 2013 15: 43 New
    +1
    Our men because of Tatzhiks and Uzbeks lost their earnings.! There is no work on the construction sites - they are everywhere! They get a penny and are satisfied. It came to a funny point: they brought them to the village of cows to milk! ours demanded a salary-drove them paid 2500 and they were satisfied. I didn’t say they were stealing the norm. Cover the border and let them live as they want.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny April 29 2013 01: 15 New
      0
      Here you are strange people ... In Kazakhstan, they believe that Kazakhstanis should not work in low-paid, low-skilled jobs, that these niches should be given to foreign guest workers, and Kazakhstanis themselves should have education and work that requires advanced training. What for spray their people on milking cows, plastering walls and sweeping streets? Let the neighbors do this in my country. Among the guests there are few who make their way to the level of an average manager (I generally keep silent about budgetary and state posts - this sphere is, of course, closed to them). And if anyone wants to make their way, he gets citizenship - we need active, adequate juices from other nations that will benefit our country. Kazakhstan is now actively luring not only ethnic Kazakhs, but also non-Kazakhs - athletes and scientists (with instant citizenship). Sport and science are those areas that we want to get a return on now while our own school is being created. Other gastes - welcome to low-skilled work. Release Kazakhstanis from this occupation. Kazakhstanis should manage and earn money, not sweeping yards.
      Well, if the Russians are going to fight to the death for the right to work as janitors and laborers, then this is an indicator of the education and ambitions of local residents. A person with a specialized education will not go to such a job.
      Cross the border if you really want to take the place of ravshan and jamsut. Let them come here. Find a job for them. We have a shortage of workers (although we have more Gast per capita than in Russia). And no Kazakh will even think about being afraid of a migrant worker, and will not allow anyone to sit on his neck. It would never occur to me that a Tajik or Moldavian can enslave the Kazakhs, even if there will be a majority of them. Such "invaders" in the KZ are blown away instantly, and not in the internet, the snot is dissolved, as a result, our migrants are absolutely loyal and practically law-abiding. And among them there are many adequate and interesting people. If in Russia all the Russians have already intimidated each other with Caucasians, then in our KZ, Caucasians are practically an example of cultural behavior))) There are no complaints against Chechens, Dagis. Like the Kurds, Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Tajiks and others. Claims usually arise only against Russian chauvinists, but thank God, the vast majority of them fell from the KZ. 3/4 of the Slavs remained, who conscientiously work for their personal good and for the benefit of society and the state. There are among them, but not more than among ethnic Kazakhs. Moreover, Kazakhs are convinced that Russian Kazakhstanis are “the best and most genuine Russians.” Here is the next generation of Kazakhstani Slavs who would have mastered the language (without losing their native language and culture), then in general beauty will be. And given that our Russians are mostly smart ones, I have no doubt that they will master the language at the highest level.
      And there you butt with Tajiks and Uzbeks for the right to milk cows. I also know how to milk, but I'm not going to earn a living with this.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak April 27 2013 18: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: denisey
    expulsion of illegal immigrants and the introduction of a visa regime.

    How, you have not heard that from 2015 it will be so with all the former republics of the USSR. The exception will be the member countries of the CU. Incidentally, the introduction of a visa regime requires Russia and the European Union. To the limit to reduce the number of illegal immigrants on their territory entering from Russia. After that, they are ready to discuss visa-free entry of Russians into the EU.
  • beech
    beech April 27 2013 19: 28 New
    0
    Well, we went to the fix from our country ... to send all these chocks from Russia, let them look for work at home !!! after a month they will calm down, and after a month they will crawl on their knees !!
  • starshina78
    starshina78 April 27 2013 20: 39 New
    0
    This is a good idea! But who will work on construction sites, clean the streets of our cities, work in factories in prestigious professions, work in garbage recycling plants? To work as a janitor for us "for bastards"; to work in the factory as a chopper of metal defects (all eight hours with a jackhammer in a cloud of dust) - "What am I doing?"; sort out the garbage (yours, not someone else's) "for bastard"? It turns out that we will overgrow with garbage, there will be a metallurgical production in the machine-building complex, and much more. Maybe they work, but they do the rest according to the laws of Russia: they communicate in Russian, do not be rude, do not bring drugs and do not use them themselves, do not force and do not rob, do not cut sheep for the Eid al-Adha holiday in the middle of our cities. And probably the most important thing, the leadership of the countries is acting meaningfully, and not as a boy of "hothouse." I want it, I want it, and you do everything for me, and somehow I will do something later, maybe what you want from me. We need a conversation with such people as in the famous book by Ilf and Petrov: “Money in the morning, chairs in the evening!”, And if you don’t want it in a good way, we will impose sanctions: we will check when entering for drugs, for illness, for the criminal past, but at least knowledge of the Russian language. Based on this (and it will be legal) we will send half home, which means that they will not be able to feed their families, and so they will think: "Why do we need a President who cannot agree with Russia. Let him re-election "It will not work out by election (its own specifics of the election, although we are not far away), let's hang it upside down in the central square! And everything next will be with Russia, it will definitely be the right policy to lead. That's for sure!
    1. ultra
      ultra April 27 2013 21: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: starshina78
      . Maybe they work, but they do the rest according to the laws of Russia: they communicate in Russian, do not be rude, do not bring drugs and do not use them themselves, do not force and do not rob, do not cut sheep for the Eid al-Adha holiday in the middle of our cities.
      Do you have a recipe for how to do all this? hi
    2. Setrac
      Setrac April 28 2013 16: 55 New
      0
      Quote: starshina78
      maybe they work, but they do the rest according to the laws

      I draw attention to expose from Russia do not require Tajiks and Uzbeks, but illegal immigrants, those who "according to the laws" let them live.
  • vadimN
    vadimN April 28 2013 13: 03 New
    +1
    ... And in addition to apply the economic move. Instead of dragging crowds of migrants to Russia, the nut of that “knutik” insists on preferences for Russian business, which allow opening production in the republics of Central Asia. That will be the Asian khans employment + taxes in local budgets. And Russia will be getting rid of the flow of migrants (and therefore eliminating many of the ethno-political threats associated with this), as well as creating prerequisites for the peaceful and natural integration of the former Soviet republics into the economic space of Russia ... The revival of the USSR at a new level!
  • Land
    Land April 28 2013 13: 04 New
    0
    Respect!
  • kris
    kris April 28 2013 22: 40 New
    +1
    NEED TO BE STRONG!
  • dentitov
    dentitov April 30 2013 23: 54 New
    0
    Well, then anyone will force us if we behave like cheap things. If we are not masters of our land, others will come and cleanse us. Does history not teach this?
  • Thor
    Thor 2 May 2013 02: 24 New
    0
    It's time to introduce a visa regime for Tajikistan or even close the border for Tajik trains
  • Alex Nick
    Alex Nick April 27 2013 07: 35 New
    31
    V. Zhirinovsky voiced what others are embarrassed to say. And rightly so, there is nothing to lisp.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 07: 38 New
      18
      Quote: Alex Nick
      V. Zhirinovsky voiced what others are embarrassed to say

      In this case, it’s difficult to argue with the Zhirik. Yes.
      the purpose of which is to humiliate the dignity of the Tajik Republic and to discredit its authority.
      Here is the most relish laughing Tajik politicians have dignity, and Tajikistan has authority wassat His mother’s foot is like they wondered what their crowd would tear to rags laughing
      1. Alex Nick
        Alex Nick April 27 2013 07: 42 New
        +4
        Sanya, hello. It will be so in reality.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 27 2013 08: 03 New
          +5
          Quote: Alex Nick
          It will be so in reality.

          Well, great, any power that will replace the current bail, the first thing will rush to bow to the Kremlin and sign everything that is required. Hussing is over!
          Hi Sasha hi
          1. Onotollah
            Onotollah April 27 2013 11: 53 New
            +1
            Well, if so.
            That's just if the Syrian scenario did not work out.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia April 27 2013 07: 35 New
    12
    To demonstrate their readiness to deliver a peculiar retaliatory strike, in Tajikistan they decided to get rid of information plates and advertisements more actively, primarily in Russian.

    But Rakhmonov thought, how will Tajik guest workers now learn the Russian alphabet?

    The State Duma obliged guest workers to take an exam in the Russian language.

    http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/359197/#ixzz2RdCFtQur


    PS
    I hope the following news will be like this:
    "In response, Russia has more actively decided to get rid of Tajik Farsi speakers."
  • Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 April 27 2013 07: 39 New
    12
    Every morning, and not only morning, even now: from the cars, Azeri music — for the whole, janitors below — only in Takzhik style, yesterday watched as an Armenian crashed into the Russian lantern, for what he did not give way to him ?! are we rolling? This is Moscow.
    1. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq April 27 2013 08: 50 New
      13
      Have you completely turned into absent-minded people when you become a Russian? Stop drinking alcohol, start playing sports, first I recommend finding in YouTube --- Level 1 chest exercise. When you start doing level 2, you’ll turn the block of wood on the roof of the car.
    2. awerkiev
      awerkiev April 27 2013 09: 31 New
      12
      Well, why are you seeing how they beat the Russian did not defend him !? Here you have Moscow ...
      1. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 April 28 2013 00: 55 New
        0
        I’m on crutches now, even if I wanted to, I still couldn’t do anything. And the “lantern” is the rear light of the car.
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 10: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
      , yesterday I watched as an Armenian crashed into a Russian lantern, for that he did not give way to him?!. Where the hell are we going?

      we’ve already rolled up, we are standing and watching our neighbor being beaten, we’ll also remove it on a mobile phone for fun, so that we can post it in nete.
      at least hesitate to write about it, he’s not ashamed of himself, as well as those who put pluses for this ?!
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 April 27 2013 10: 37 New
        +8
        So, for this reason, they don’t consider Moscow almost everywhere, beyond the ring road ... unfortunately this is so - life in Russia almost does not intersect with life in Moscow, we live in different dimensions ...
        1. ultra
          ultra April 27 2013 21: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey57
          is - life in Russia almost does not intersect with life in Moscow, we live in different dimensions ...

          good good good
          1. Rustiger
            Rustiger April 27 2013 22: 47 New
            +1
            And here I am too good
            Just for the words "life in Russia almost does not intersect with life in Moscow, we live in different dimensions"
            90 percent of the population of Russia think so. . .
        2. Rustiger
          Rustiger April 27 2013 22: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey57
          Moscow is not considered Russia almost everywhere, beyond the ring road

          Andrei, and you are not from the "seedy little town of provincial Russia"?
          I myself am from this, but now I live in a millionaire.
          Let's keep what Maskvabad has lost and so save!
          Shukshin - OUR writer.
          / Vadim /
    4. Focker
      Focker April 27 2013 13: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
      Yesterday I watched as an Armenian crashed into the Russian lantern, for the fact that he had not given way to him

      and what is Russian in response?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 15: 02 New
        0
        THE QUESTION IS DELIVERED WRONG, but what is the answer to all the Russians who saw this?
        1. Focker
          Focker April 27 2013 15: 36 New
          +4
          I bet ... First of all, HE had to get out of the car and answer. And if people are already joining from that side, then it’s worth asking, what did the other Russians do when they saw this?
          It’s purely my opinion that the Russians differ in that they don’t have one when one of them conflicts with a certain person and the rest of the Russians immediately come running and start to press one all. There is some sense of justice, or something .. Which tells you that you should not intervene while one and one are sorted out, but when several are missing one, then you need help.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 19: 13 New
            0
            no, just the problem is exactly what I wrote about, for the most part the Russian will not help the neighbor, but it’s also bad, the neighbor will not be killed
      2. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 April 28 2013 00: 59 New
        0
        He didn’t get out of the car and left, he did the right thing, why bother with macaques
    5. zart_arn
      zart_arn April 27 2013 19: 33 New
      +2
      Moscow is not Kondopoga for you. Tolerance drives.
    6. Andrew-001
      Andrew-001 April 27 2013 21: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
      fuck we roll
      - exactly there.
      But when one Russian ceases to calmly watch another Russian being beaten with him, then we will stop if it is not too late.
  • treskoed
    treskoed April 27 2013 07: 43 New
    +5
    Onishchenko more and more respect! His principle and persistence would be yes to our politicians and leaders!
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger April 27 2013 23: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: treskoed
      Onishchenko more and more respect! His principle and persistence would be yes to our politicians and leaders!

      Uncle Genya Onishchenko (or his department) easily “works out” entire states (puts him at the 5th point) without any “top-level agreements”. More effective than any warheads against "young democracies exposed to the Kremlin." . .
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 27 2013 07: 45 New
    +6
    Yes, all this mess in a train transporting everything that is possible and basically that is impossible, must be stopped. Together with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, they don’t want to, unilaterally, but they must stop, or they’ll even sit on their heads if they don’t already sit.
  • Alex Nick
    Alex Nick April 27 2013 07: 48 New
    26
    No matter how this happens
    1. lesnik.
      lesnik. April 27 2013 08: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex Nick
      No matter how this happens
    2. lesnik.
      lesnik. April 27 2013 08: 45 New
      +5
      Quote: Alex Nick
      No matter how this happens
    3. Renat
      Renat April 27 2013 08: 47 New
      +7
      To prevent this from happening, you must first give birth. Protect children from all sorts of maniacs, etc.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 27 2013 09: 26 New
        25
        Our women give birth more and more for themselves without fathers, raise boys and educate Tsiskaridze or Bilanov in them. My wife tried to resist that the senior is engaged in boxing, so we quietly ignored her and already went to the competition today. There, the younger and the older ones are slowly troubling. I run around twice a week because of my sons so that I can set an example even though 42.
        I teach children that a family should have at least two children.
        Only in this way will we save Russia.
        By the way, we born to the USSR are more tolerant, children grow up and already hate that behavior of the guests, so in vain they make their own misfortunes in Russia.
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu April 27 2013 09: 52 New
          +5
          MREF
          Totally agree with you
          And it is necessary, by our own example, and not raising a universal howl about visitors ..
          Your country, so be responsible for it ..
          Quote: mhpv
          we are more tolerant born in the family of the USSR

          With this, I also agree - he’s like that ..
          And, by the way, we too (in Kazakhstan) are growing a generation for which both the USSR and Russia no longer have the significance that existed before ..
        2. tm70-71
          tm70-71 April 27 2013 10: 01 New
          12
          The hammer, first of all, you need to start with yourself, with your family, what is happening in Russia, partly the locals themselves are to blame, the guest should behave like a guest, your troubles are 90% from your officials. And as for my countrymen, I agree that they do not always behave appropriately, well, not the best representatives go, in 20 years a new generation has grown up who do not know the word order.
    4. Radoslav
      Radoslav April 27 2013 21: 42 New
      +2
      Russian men, you need to stop drinking, smoke, and start to fuck all that moves and then this will not happen
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger April 27 2013 23: 07 New
        0
        "plus" set.
        I will ask - "Rodnover" - ???????????
  • Strashila
    Strashila April 27 2013 07: 54 New
    +8
    Dap on it is necessary to sell bunches of greens and plaster meters to earn? There is no drain in Russia, and there is no way to eat greens in such volumes ... there is only one drug left, the last mile of Afghan drug trafficking is Tajik ... Kyrgyz and other gastric or migrant.
  • Belo_biletnik
    Belo_biletnik April 27 2013 07: 57 New
    +1
    Chock in the country is not allowed !!!!!!!!!! URAAAAA.

    That's just the janitors, cleaners, loaders, the guys do not want to work ...

    Order needs to be put in place ... iron. And so let them work.
    1. queen
      queen April 27 2013 08: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: Belo_biletnik
      That's just the janitors, cleaners, loaders, the guys do not want to work.

      According to the statement, they get a lot more, no one will give them a housing and communal services feeder. And so in any field. They want to work, but ours are not allowed to ours.
      1. Belo_biletnik
        Belo_biletnik April 27 2013 08: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: regin
        According to the statement, they get a lot more, no one will give them a housing and communal services feeder. And so in any field. They want to work, but ours are not allowed to ours.

        I think the visiting Indians get there a little, the leaders put the difference in their pocket.
    2. GEO
      GEO April 27 2013 08: 14 New
      12
      Nothing like this!!! It's just that Gaster is not paid the whole salary, but ours needs to pay the whole. There is a salary in Moscow and St. Petersburg somewhere under 20 sput, why not put an hour 2 in the early morning? No need to make Russian general drunkards! Take a look at our story.
      Gaster - nah !!!
      1. lubin
        lubin April 27 2013 10: 15 New
        +2
        Plus the janitor was supposed to have official housing. 20t.r. + housing, from nonresident students there would be no end to it. hi
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 27 2013 12: 24 New
        +6
        Quote: GEO
        There is a salary in Moscow and St. Petersburg somewhere under 20 sput, why not put an hour 2 in the early morning? No need to make Russian general drunkards! Take a look at our story.
        Gaster - nah !!!


        Read the job offers as a janitor in Moscow. Here are some examples

        Janitor
        Salary: from 32000 to 40000 rub.
        Requirements: Russian citizens age of years, work schedule in winter 1/2, in warm time 5/2. ЗП from 32 000 r. Requirements: Russian citizens, age, work schedule ...

        Janitor
        Salary: from 30000 p.
        Invited to a permanent job. Schedule 6x1, from 6.30 to 19. m. Okhotny Ryad. Citizenship of the Russian Federation, (Slavic appearance).

        Janitor
        Salary: from 15000 p.
        Invited to a permanent job. Schedule 5x2, from 8 to 17. Citizenship of the Russian Federation, CIS (work permit.). m.Taganskaya.
        Janitor
        Salary: from 19000 p.
        Invited to a permanent job. Schedule 19 to 7. Citizenship of the Russian Federation, CIS (work permit.). m.Belorusskaya.

        Specifically highlighted the requirements for citizenship ... Draw conclusions.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 22 May 2013 03: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          (Slavic appearance).

          In Kazakhstan, by the way, it is forbidden to categorically write such announcements. This is purely ethnic discrimination.

          By the way, I looked at ads about janitors in Astana. Not a single mention of citizenship. The fewer janitors among Kazakhstanis, the better for the nation. Even if they pay well there. A Kazakh should work his head, and not make monotonous movements of his hands as a servant. All work is a worthy occupation, but there are professions that we can easily give to foreigners, freeing our citizens for more qualified and paid work.

          In Kazakhstan, state ideology officially says that Kazakhstan should become a competitive nation. The state considers it its duty to ensure that Kazakhstani personnel are highly valued in the world market, having high professional qualifications. You have the media hysteria about fighting Tajik for a broom. We have different approaches, very different.
    3. Normal
      Normal April 27 2013 09: 46 New
      +9
      Quote: Belo_biletnik
      That's just the janitors, cleaners, loaders, the guys do not want to work ...

      Yesterday I was driving along .... Rublevo-Uspensky highway. fellow And along the road they walked with plastic bags and collected garbage from the roadside ..... SLAVAN! yes And very well dressed. I turned my head so that I almost drove into the ass Maybach.
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 April 27 2013 09: 54 New
        +5
        They got tired of saying that without gastric people there is no one to do the rough work worthy of paying and respecting this work, and everything will be fine, if we can’t do it, let’s do it again and do it !!!
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 27 2013 12: 28 New
        +8
        Quote: Normal
        And very well dressed. I turned my head so that I almost drove into the ass Maybach.


        Vladimir, welcome! this is the local oligarchs on the "subbotnik" came out. Why yesterday? Because on Saturday you can’t work .. Shabbat
      3. Mairos
        Mairos April 30 2013 13: 31 New
        0
        I also saw more than once, especially in the field of landscaping.
  • Belo_biletnik
    Belo_biletnik April 27 2013 08: 02 New
    10
    And so funny MIGHTY TAJIKISTON NEGADUE. Already scary bully
  • krokodil25
    krokodil25 April 27 2013 08: 03 New
    11
    Close the entrance to all Tajiks and see how they sing then, it’s awesome to listen to every pug already need to bark at Russia in the west to them there that they are giving out gingerbread cookies for that once they weigh a good pendal to these mongrel, they will immediately remember how the owner socks smell !!! am
  • arkgrz
    arkgrz April 27 2013 08: 04 New
    -1
    workers in Russia are needed .. let them come .. but at the end of the term you need to be checked out .. also applies to women who gave birth here. gave birth, okay, this is a citizen of Russia .. but how does the mother end up staying out of pendals? and leave the place no earlier than in a year .. you can leave the litter and skate off yourself .. then I think many will go home to give birth
    1. cyclist
      cyclist April 27 2013 08: 15 New
      +7
      no need to import anyone, drive them to the mane from here! Because of them and high corruption, huge problems in the country !!
    2. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 27 2013 08: 16 New
      14
      Quote: arkgrz
      gave birth, okay, this is a citizen of Russia ..

      You are mistaken, not even a citizen at all. So, together with my mother in my native village.
    3. Andrey57
      Andrey57 April 27 2013 10: 48 New
      +2
      It’s not at all like giving birth on the territory of Russia does not mean at all that the newborn is a citizen of Russia, this citizenship must also be obtained, and if the parents are not citizens of Russia, then the procedure for obtaining citizenship on a common basis.
    4. Garrin
      Garrin April 27 2013 12: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: arkgrz


      workers in Russia are needed .. let them come .. but at the end of the term you need to be checked off ..

      First of all, one should provide his work with work and pay them as it should.
  • magadanets
    magadanets April 27 2013 08: 06 New
    +7
    The visa regime is one thing. Another thing is who hires them for work with us? Yes, our dear businessmen. As they say, nothing personal, only business.
    1. Renat
      Renat April 27 2013 08: 49 New
      -11
      And who will sweep the streets for pennies? Muscovite chtoli pick up a broom or spatula? Not to life.
      1. family
        family tree April 27 2013 09: 00 New
        11
        Quote: Renat
        And who will sweep the streets for pennies? Muscovite chtoli pick up a broom or spatula? Not to life.

        This, pay fine, have not tried?
        1. RUSSIA 2013
          RUSSIA 2013 April 27 2013 15: 16 New
          +3
          here, here, our men, for 7000-8000t. will last a month, and for many families. You just need to pay normally, we will sweep the streets ourselves, and we can work normally ourselves, without any help from outside.
      2. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter April 27 2013 09: 01 New
        +6
        Quote: Renat
        And who will sweep the streets for pennies?

        Purely not where they clean, but where they do not litter.
        1. family
          family tree April 27 2013 09: 07 New
          +1
          Snow, dust, leaf fall ...
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter April 27 2013 09: 17 New
            0
            Quote: perepilka
            Snow, dust, leaf fall ...

            It is what it is....
          2. Garrin
            Garrin April 27 2013 12: 31 New
            +2
            Quote: perepilka
            Snow, dust, leaf fall ...

            During snowfalls, our hard workers carried snow to the center of Moscow to clean it. There were MOEK, Mos Vodokanal, Mos Energy, etc. Tens of thousands drove.
      3. UFO
        UFO April 27 2013 10: 28 New
        +1
        Have you ever seen simple Muscovites? If only in the "Comedy Club" or "House-2", tady oh. negative
  • GEO
    GEO April 27 2013 08: 07 New
    +9
    Fuck all the gaster. Remember what these cattle did with the Russians in the 90s. FUCK !!!
  • antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter April 27 2013 08: 07 New
    +6
    Atoev emphasized that, for some reason, Russia pays attention exclusively to Tajik labor migrants, although, according to him, the total number of migrant workers in the Russian Federation is about 13 million people.

    Well, you have to start with someone. There isn’t enough strength for all at once.
    Direct trains are generally banned. Or let the Russians under the control of orderlies from the FSB.
    I believe that it is necessary to declare a lottery for the entry of migrant workers of the year to 2 and during this time to clean out all illegal immigrants, and then we'll see. Most likely we will live without them.
  • arduan
    arduan April 27 2013 08: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: aszzz888
    Yes, all this mess in a train transporting everything that is possible and basically that is impossible, must be stopped.

    This should have been stopped 10-12 years ago. Someone’s eyes opened, illegal drugs are being taken from Tajikistan. What a horror! I don’t know how it is now on the Russian Railways, but some time ago our glorious linear police didn’t even go to the vestibule of the Dushanbe-Moscow and Baku trains. The Tajik guides didn’t hide that there were more than 52 of them traveling in a carriage for 200 people, not counting "hand luggage " What control and accounting, what sanitary standards, glass was broken there so as not to suffocate. Yes, even to shake the “Russian” Vladikavkaz-Moscow train properly, a “strong-willed decision” was needed at the “federal level.” Apparently someone in Moscow built a couple of their hydrolysis plants.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 April 27 2013 08: 15 New
    11
    Look, the Tajiks are offended! And what exactly did Onishchenko demand from them? If their trains were to go to Europe, would they not have been given the seemingly unsanitary condition of the wagons and checked that they were being transported? What grievances can be? And if all Tajiks go legally on foreign passports, then where do illegal immigrants come from? And the fact that the heads of the East states of the former USSR do not fulfill agreements unilaterally with Russia is all the time. And without the Russian language, they generally HANA!
  • FREGATENKAPITAN
    FREGATENKAPITAN April 27 2013 08: 15 New
    24
    Yes ...... very sorry for illegal immigrants who go to Russia to earn money, very ..... as mentioned above ... this the only way to feed a family, etc ............Only we, in Russia, began to forget about the beginning of the 90s, the period of the collapse of the Union, .............. when these workers, with the permission of thousands of crowds, shouted about the Russian invaders, about how they drove out without only thousands of our families from their homes, about humiliation, etc .............Wanted freedom? - get and don’t have to play democracy with them ...... I don’t feel sorry for any of them and that’s all ... and no one will convince me, I still remember how my friends from Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan fleeing having abandoned apartments and cars .. ................ Let us not be more noble towards all these freedom-loving peoples ...
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 27 2013 08: 27 New
      15
      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
      Yes ...... very sorry for illegal immigrants who go to Russia to earn money, very .....

      Ready to cry, but in my house I do not need them. I'm sorry in the distance.
    2. GEO
      GEO April 27 2013 09: 38 New
      +1
      + 100500 !!!!!
    3. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu April 27 2013 10: 01 New
      -6
      Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
      I don’t feel sorry for any of them and that’s all ... and no one will convince me, I still remember how my friends from Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan fleeing dropping apartments, cars


      I will not say for Azerbaijan, but about Kazakhstan (in most cases) utter nonsense laughing To all, Russians, Russians, and “fugitives” from Kazakhstan .. I’ll say that when you talk about “Genocide” by this, you yourself and disgrace yourself. am

      About abandoned apartments, sailor, how many abandoned villages near Modmoskovye ?? !! repeat
      Also Kazakhs ..
      By the way, I would ask ia-ai00that she did not run away from Kazakhstan ?? !!
      1. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN April 27 2013 10: 42 New
        10
        Well, dear to you, to give the phone .... so that you personally call a friend, and he tells how wonderful he moved from Karaganda to Russia .... after he built what plant there and worked for it for 12 years?


        Yes, I didn’t write a word about genocide .... but besides direct massacre, there are many other ways to survive a person ... dismiss from work, defiantly not answer a question asked in Russian, spit in the back, come to a person in an apartment and say that now I’m going to live here ...... with a local policeman standing behind me and squinting slyly ..... it was all there, no need to make an offended look here ...better admit and apologize ... otherwise we only have Russians for everything that they did and did not have to apologize ...
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu April 27 2013 12: 56 New
          -1
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          Well dear to give you a phone ...

          Well, why, I myself can throw you the number, you just write ..
        2. Ram chandra
          Ram chandra April 29 2013 10: 03 New
          +1
          What nonsense am I reading ?! If this happened, it was not based on nationality. The Kazakhs know - where the Russians are - there is order and justice, where the Russians - there even the local population will be protected from the lawlessness of both the authorities and others. Kazakhs respect Russians.
      2. Andrey57
        Andrey57 April 27 2013 11: 00 New
        13
        You can talk as much as you like about “utter nonsense from Kazakhstan,” but here we have a lot of people settled after they survived from the city of Uralsk, founded and built by Russian Cossacks, and now there all the monuments were demolished throughout the city and the animals were put on horses, but they renamed all the streets ... Probably from a "very good life" the city in which more than 90% of the population was Russian became an unwashed village. I’m saying this not with anyone’s words; I myself have been there more than once.
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu April 27 2013 11: 46 New
          -9
          Quote: Andrey57
          a city in which more than 90% of the population was Russian


          So I’m talking about this, there were Russians in Uralsk, in your opinion more than 90% and you get "genocide" less than 10% of Kazakhs repeat
          Is this your "shame" ?! angry For the first time I hear that a minority would “oppress” MOST (well, okromya gay Oyropy laughing )
          And did not try to assert the rights ??? !!! request Me, what to teach you, as in a joke ?? !! what
          Georgians married a Russian student. After the restaurant, they come home, she undresses, goes to bed and spreads her legs. And the Georgians, as I saw it:
          - Throw me these student (Russian) habits, dress and resist.
          In Kazakhstan, Russians at the time of the declaration of "independence" had a majority in all areas !!! In addition to the police - this is the "specificity" of the Kazakhs laughing
          IIIIIIIIIII ????????

          It’s easier, of course, to escape .. to escape than to take responsibility for yourself, for your family, for your homeland ..
          And then scream to the whole world about oppression negative



          1. FREGATENKAPITAN
            FREGATENKAPITAN April 27 2013 15: 01 New
            +1
            And did not try to assert the rights ??? !!! .... woooooooo ... what we returned to ........ now we are looking at the article again ... and we begin to understand that everything will have to ....... and in general .... admins. .. don’t you think that the comrade has already suffered far beyond the scope of a normal dispute ???
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 15: 07 New
            -1
            Quote: Alibekulu
            In Kazakhstan, Russians at the time of the declaration of "independence" had a majority in all areas !!! In addition to the police - this is the "specificity" of Kazakhs laughing
            IIIIIIIIIII ????????

            It’s easier, of course, to escape .. to escape than to take responsibility for yourself, for your family, for your homeland ..
            And then scream to the whole world about the oppression of negative

            let the moderators punish me, but one question arises you ?!
            you openly write that the Kazakhs do not want to work exclusively baskarmachit.
            you openly declare that you ousted Russians from government.
            and as for not "wanting", I'm sorry if you wouldn’t go to the ass, talked with people like you before you’re full, until you send a direct text you don’t understand
            1. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu April 27 2013 16: 42 New
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              you openly write that the Kazakhs do not want to work exclusively baskarmachit.


              I write that the Kazakhs do not want to work ??? !!! request
              Where??? When?? I wrote this ???

              You openly declare that you ousted Russians from government.

              Where i stated belay ?? !!
              Yes you are my friend, I see that fellow (Nude, just like in that joke ... I see one thing, I think another, I say the third ...)

              would you go in the ass


              Vova, do not send people to where you yourself are fool
              They may have other tastes..
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 17: 20 New
                0
                you are really stupid you first write that Russians in all spheres were the majority, now there’s not even a percentage, where did all this most have gone wrong and left the leading posts at once ?! !!!
          3. piotr534
            piotr534 April 27 2013 17: 06 New
            +2
            I don’t know what the Kazakhs did to the cities where the majority of the inhabitants were Russian. I have 17 years of experience living in one of these cities, it’s Priozersk or the Saryshagan closed landfill. It was an oasis in the Betpak desert, a clean, well-groomed city on the bank of Lake Balkhash. After the Union broke up, it came under the jurisdiction of Kazakhstan. The Kazakhs did nothing and did not need to, stop by and live, maintain infrastructure and develop. So no, the city was almost destroyed, turned into ruins, like Stalingrad. And I know at least a dozen such cities that have repeated the fate of Priozersk. And you, as a representative of the Republic of Kazakhstan, are well aware of this and it would be nice to think about it before getting into silly disputes.
            1. Focker
              Focker April 27 2013 17: 22 New
              +6
              and you think before you write. Or maybe with the collapse of the USSR, this happened not only in Kazakhstan? And were there such cities in Russia, for example? Or in Ukraine? Or maybe such a fate befell the city, not because the Russian people left it, but for some other reason? etc. etc.
          4. Mairos
            Mairos April 30 2013 13: 45 New
            0
            This is called the "dictatorship of minorities" - when power is on the side of all possible minorities and acts in their interests to the detriment of the majority.
            Liberasts now say, "Democracy is when minorities feel comfortable!"
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 13: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Andrey57
          You can talk as much as you like about "utter nonsense from Kazakhstan", only here we have a lot of people settled after they survived from the city of Uralsk

          This is pointless, the opinion of eyewitnesses does not interest them, in the RK this is not, and there can be no other, even if you give a video, all one will not agree
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu April 27 2013 16: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            THIS IS NONSENSE, the opinion of eyewitnesses does not interest them


            But what about 4 million of Russians currently living in Kazakhstan ?? !!
            Their opinion (of eyewitnesses) is not of interest ??? !!!
        3. romb
          romb April 27 2013 22: 53 New
          +4
          Dear, have you even been to this very Uralsk of the early 90's? There was such a pigsty many times multiplied by architectural wretchedness, after which, for a very long time, or rather, they still put the city in order. Even the foreigners working on Karachaganak directly declare that they say that the city was built by Krivogop builders, and that the dynamics of the positive change are clearly in the face.
      3. a jacket
        a jacket April 27 2013 21: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Alibekulu
        I will not say for Azerbaijan, but about Kazakhstan (in most cases) utter nonsense

        It is foolish to deny the obvious. Only I know well about 20 immigrants. More or less normally left North Kazakhstan (Rudny, Kustanai) and then with tangible losses. And already from the South fled almost without anything. Before my eyes, the Kazakhs from a clogged nation suddenly turned into a very warlike one. Years over 3. Already in 91 began to establish their own orders. And at 92 their breasts were straightened with might and main. Today it may have calmed down, but recalling those times is unpleasant.
      4. Setrac
        Setrac April 28 2013 17: 07 New
        0
        Some want to get as much for a hut in the steppe as for a residence in the center of Moscow.
    4. RUSSIA 2013
      RUSSIA 2013 April 27 2013 15: 28 New
      0
      We, ourselves, have millions without workers who will feed our families. Let them go to their place in one place, they will take their own government to feed them. And in the 90s, they wanted to persecute us. There is a Russian proverb, DO NOT PLAY IN KALODETS WHERE FROM WATER PYESH
      1. hommer
        hommer April 28 2013 21: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: RUSSIA 2013
        There is a Russian proverb, DO NOT PLEASE IN KALODETS, WHERE FROM WATER WATER


        You, dear, would either change your nickname or learn the Russian language. And it turns out, as in the joke about the priest - "You would, father, either put on his underpants or removed the cross."
  • nemec55
    nemec55 April 27 2013 08: 20 New
    13
    With Asians, you need to have a keen ear, inviting you to spend the night in your house, in a week the Asian will think that this is his house. And remember this person, Dagir Khasavov, who promised to pour blood on Moscow if we don’t live according to Sharia (I hope he’s already sitting), but if our authorities decided to take up the migrants, then good luck to them in this matter, otherwise their dacher became painfully with a brazen face.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 27 2013 08: 31 New
      +6
      Quote: nemec55
      But if our authorities decided to take up the migrants, then good luck to them in this matter, otherwise their dacher became painfully with a brazen face.

      It seems that not only migrants, but also Wahhabis were shaken. Yesterday in oskva 140 the snout was tied. And in St. Petersburg recently dozens.
    2. Andrey57
      Andrey57 April 27 2013 11: 03 New
      +2
      Unfortunately, he doesn’t sit, but strangely lives in the city of London and continues to yap from there ...
  • andrejwz
    andrejwz April 27 2013 08: 28 New
    +3
    Apparently, the surname Rakhmon mentioned by Zhirinovsky in combination with the phrase “hang in the center of Dushanbe” made the Tajik deputies react so violently.

    However:
    The Tajik Foreign Ministry expressed its indignation at the words of Vladimir Zhirinovsky, calling them offensive and inappropriate traditional friendship of Tajikistan and the Russian Federation.

    In mismatch they do not blame the truth on Zhirinovsky.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 April 27 2013 08: 30 New
    36
    More and more convinced of the indispensability of the DEAR G. ONISHCHENKO. Indeed, in essence, he and his department worked for the Federal Drug Control Service and the Migration Service, and for the Russian Foreign Ministry. May God grant him good health and good luck! hi
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 27 2013 08: 34 New
      +7
      Just orderlies are out of politics.
      The FSB, FSKN, FMS will begin to work fully - the howl will rise, but you will not cling to the orderlies.
    2. Simon
      Simon April 27 2013 22: 27 New
      +2
      Yes, Onishchenko is our strongest political argument, our strongest weapon, even for America. tongue hi
  • Shuriken
    Shuriken April 27 2013 08: 35 New
    +9
    . But let them not come!
    Quote: arkgrz
    workers in Russia are needed
    Who interferes with the positions of the same janitors and movers in the cities to declare a recruitment in a Russian village where people get drunk from unemployment? At least on a rotational basis, huh? After all, the Moscow-St. Petersburg salaries (if you take the housing and communal services for the heat) will be very attractive for people from the outback. There will also be a competition
  • Kolya
    Kolya April 27 2013 08: 40 New
    10
    They’ll go crazy and stop, and Russia needs to follow its interests. We do not need their drugs in exchange for their friendship.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 April 27 2013 09: 04 New
      +9
      But what kind of friendship does the Eastern countries have - with a stone in his bosom?
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny April 28 2013 15: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: ia-ai00
        But what kind of friendship does the Eastern countries have - with a stone in his bosom?

        Are you still here in Kazakhstan? Are you tired of introducing yourself into longing? What is your problem? Why can't you leave the eastern country? Every time you whine like that about the Kazakhs, who keeps you here? You openly hate the Kazakhs and Kazakhstan, what keeps you here - I can’t understand? Even poor Tajiks can go to Russia, but you just can’t afford it? You yourself are not tired of living here with people who have a "stone in the bosom"? Go to your historical homeland, you are there smok and Vasilenko were waiting. You will write from there which Kazakhs are scoundrels and how Kazakhs have ruined your life.
        Z.Y. I thought that all of them still dumped from here in the 90s, but it turns out we still have "humiliated and insulted". Look at the current, in the 90s it was still possible for "refugees" to steal and dump with impunity. And now this will turn out with difficulty. So if you are waiting for a “convenient” moment, you better not wait, but go to the Russian embassy. True, if you are hoping to obtain the status of a "forced migrant", then the embassies will not believe you. They will not believe it anymore. So just tell them the truth: “I am a nationalist, and I just don’t like Kazakhs humanly. If they adopted Orthodoxy, banned the Kazakh language and culture, kissed the feet of every Russian hard worker and even a bummer, I would have stayed. And without "three times crimson pants and squats with the words" ku "- I have nothing to do here."
    2. Andrey57
      Andrey57 April 27 2013 11: 12 New
      +5
      As the British said, there can be no friendship with the Arabs, it’s even impossible to buy them, you can only rent them for a while, because there are no agreements for them ... all this fully applies to people from the Middle Of Asia ...
  • andrejwz
    andrejwz April 27 2013 08: 46 New
    +6
    Now the authorities have announced the translation into Tajik of even those words that were not in it at all. This campaign in Tajikistan was called the elimination of "linguistic flaws", and they have already managed to bring to court several dozens of businessmen who use non-Tajik words in the name of their companies.

    And in Russia, Tajik speech on the street should be equated to petty hooliganism.
    1. sleepy
      sleepy April 28 2013 02: 31 New
      0
      Quote: andrejwz
      "in Russia, Tajik speech on the street should be equated to petty hooliganism."


      In Russia, the Tajik language is becoming popular.
      "City telephone inquiry in St. Petersburg spoke
      in Tajik.
      Now, every day from nine in the morning until six in the evening, migrants can call
      by phone 004 and in your native language to obtain information about the documents required to obtain a work permit ...
      ... In Smolny said that in the near future
      also speaks in Uzbek. "
      http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1174331-0/

      And after 2015, all Tajiks will travel to Russia with Russian passports
      and with Russian citizenship. Then the visa regime will be introduced, but not earlier.
  • Uhalus
    Uhalus April 27 2013 08: 52 New
    +5
    But originally it was about sanitation and order ... Make the train compliant with the standards - and all things! No, it's easier to start a scandal.
    In general, immigrants need to be driven. Their countries, like parasites, are kept at the expense of Russia.
  • Semurg
    Semurg April 27 2013 08: 53 New
    -9
    Panas are fighting at the lackeys forelocks are cracking (Whoever puts a minus that serf, who plus that pan, if there is no rating there are no slaves and lords) laughing
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 10: 24 New
      +1
      do not want to be a slave, seek normal conditions at home, and not pump rights in a foreign country
  • kind
    kind April 27 2013 09: 03 New
    +1
    Yes pug, know she is strong ... lol
  • nemec55
    nemec55 April 27 2013 09: 10 New
    0
    With Asians, you need to have a keen ear, inviting you to spend the night in your house, in a week the Asian will think that this is his house. And remember this person, Dagir Khasavov, who promised to pour blood on Moscow if we don’t live according to Sharia (I hope he’s already sitting), but if our authorities decided to take up the migrants, then good luck to them in this matter, otherwise their dacher became painfully with a brazen face.
  • nemec55
    nemec55 April 27 2013 09: 11 New
    0
    With Asians, you need to have a keen ear, inviting you to spend the night in your house, in a week the Asian will think that this is his house. And remember this person, Dagir Khasavov, who promised to pour blood on Moscow if we don’t live according to Sharia (I hope he’s already sitting), but if our authorities decided to take up the migrants, then good luck to them in this matter, otherwise their dacher became painfully with a brazen face.
  • Spike
    Spike April 27 2013 09: 22 New
    +2
    Onishchenko in matters of foreign policy JOKER good
  • Reyngard
    Reyngard April 27 2013 09: 24 New
    -4
    It was interesting to read you! But no one said, where did these come from? Under Yeltsin, as you do not love him, there were few of them. And their "tin eye" let them in (guess three times who it is)? So who is the enemy of the Russians?
    1. GEO
      GEO April 27 2013 09: 40 New
      0
      Do not smack nonsense
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 27 2013 12: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Reyngard
      Under Yeltsin, as you do not love him, there were few of them.

      under Yeltsin, the country didn’t even have money for itself, as no one was traveling, and right now they sniffed that Russia suddenly got rich before our eyes, and they started to populate it. Russians do not go as caretakers, masons, sellers to Asia for work, because there you won’t earn anything. why should I go somewhere, if work in my city, my country, and so are there and where will it unfold? Is it logical?
  • nnnnnn
    nnnnnn April 27 2013 09: 30 New
    -8
    Quote: Civil
    3. You may have to withdraw 201 base. To Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan.

    Bring to Ulyanovsk together with your allies, this is a bitter joke, but the conclusion of a simple compad in the form of Zhirik, Rogozin and many others does everything for Russia to lose Central Asia, everyone understands that the flow of migrant workers could be adjusted for a long time, there are many administrative levers for this , but it is beneficial to all the bureaucratic authorities in Russia which absolutely do not care about the future of Russia for them to save their money on offshore received from the owners, having lost Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan has already been lost, Russia will get everything for the implementation of the Yugoslav version.
    1. Earthman
      Earthman April 28 2013 21: 01 New
      -4
      in 10 years there will be no Russian Federation on the map - this is an axiom
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 28 2013 21: 08 New
        +2
        Do you know what is really an axiom? A post with exactly the same content you write in a year. In five years, in ten. And every time it will be like this:
        Quote: Earthman
        in 10 years there will be no Russian Federation on the map - this is an axiom
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny April 28 2013 21: 50 New
          +3
          Georgians kicked out. Today - Tajiks, tomorrow - Kyrgyz, the day after tomorrow - Kazakhs, Tatars, Ukrainians, Udmurts. And then do not be surprised if instead of the Russian Federation there will be independent Siberian, Ural, Far Eastern republics, Ingermanland, Muscovy, etc. The process of destruction was launched from outside, and the Russians, instead of opposing this together with their neighbors, accelerate the process. Of all the real allies, only Belarusians and Kazakhs remained. But they drive you into Bosko that Old Man is an extravagant man, Nazarbayev is a despot, Belarusians are hysterical, Kazakhs are traitors. If the Russians are driven away from Minsk and Astana, tomorrow they will easily get rid of Russia itself. Moreover, who will stand up for those who yelled: "Russia has no allies !!! 111 Current army and navy !!! 1111" and "Beat zh_dov, h_khlov, Caucasians, chocks, Tajiks, Kyrgyz! Save Russia!".
          You yourself do not understand where you are being led with such a national policy, propagated from without? And a century has not passed before the Russians killed the Russians. Again, step on the same rake. Only taking into account modern information technologies can the "world community" get to grips with the Russians much faster, without letting them figure out who the country has collapsed and in which direction it is necessary to shoot. Libya, Iraq, Syria - this is a training ground at which what is used against Russia will be worked out. With their own hands, these peoples are killing themselves for the profit of TNCs and the world gendarme.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 28 2013 22: 09 New
            +1
            Who expelled the Georgians? We only have the status of citizens of Russia 150 with a penny of thousands. They sent only those who illegally were on the territory of Russia, and only a small part of them. It was necessary for everyone.

            Dear, illegal migrant is a burden on the budget of the country, and therefore on every Russian taxpayer. Why do we have to endure it, tell us. potassium weasel. In order not to offend the poor?

            The state has simplified registration rules to the fullest. They all rushed to comply with the laws of the country in which they carry out their activities? No, they spat on it from a high bell tower. And you, as I understand it, do you propose to please them in every way so that, God forbid, they are not offended?
            1. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny April 28 2013 22: 31 New
              +1
              Oh, come on build innocence from yourself. They did not expel Georgians, did not shut down Georgian business, did not breed anti-Georgian hysteria, did not invade the territory of Georgia ... You were bred as children, but you did not notice. Now Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan are in turn (and this, by the way, is the first potential member of the CU and the EurAsEC). And then there will be Kazakhs with Belarusians to dissolve from Russia. What is incomprehensible here?

              Illegal migration is a small disaster. Tajiks and Kyrgyz usually legally enter our countries. They WORK illegally. And why? Because the laws are stupid. Because it is easier to keep migrants as sheep, which can be paid a penny and, if they are dissatisfied, to be legally thrown out of the country. On this, people make billions. It is on this scheme - a migrant is not protected from anything slaveotator. Migrants feed from the sergeant PPS and the small entrepreneur to the very top. Any migrant will be happy to pay all taxes, only then he will have some rights. But who needs this from the Russian "feeding"?
              Who has "simplified utterly" there? Which of Ravshan and Jamshut knows their rights and obligations? He packs potatoes in the back room and lays brick from morning till night or sweeps the yard. All communication with the outside world (often with a foreign language) is through his master, who has his passport. Do you think migrants come home after 6 pm, read the latest news on the FOMS website on the Internet while drinking hibiscus? Or they don’t read because he has no time - is he relaxing in the jacuzzi? Officials, cops, entrepreneurs need to blame - then the order will begin to emerge. But, damn it, it’s easier to blame the Tajik. And not even in person, but in an online forum where they are not ...
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov April 28 2013 23: 09 New
                +1
                sent 150 people. Illegally located in Russia. Why did you decide that we are obliged to violate the laws of our country for their sake?

                Well, the rest is the usual blah blah blah. Registration can be done in one day. It is possible by mail. A patent for labor migrants costs 1000 rubles. I wonder if you don’t know this, or do not write about it intentionally? Because in this case, your nagging about the bad Russians and migrant paws will somehow look unconvincing
      2. Denis
        Denis April 28 2013 22: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Earthman
        in 10 years there will be no Russian Federation on the map
        What about pipiski on the collar and even in the eye and all the holes of the predictor?
        Russia was and will be!
        critters will rest
        1. Focker
          Focker April 28 2013 23: 10 New
          +2
          Yes, here we are talking about another. With such an approach, the country may not be in 10 years! They are talking about this.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 28 2013 23: 16 New
            0
            Without the prerogative of the interests of migrant workers over the interests of the local population, the country will fall apart? And you do not exaggerate their role?
  • omsbon
    omsbon April 27 2013 09: 35 New
    +8
    All this Asian brotherhood LOVES and understands only strength, everything else, as they understand it, is a manifestation of weakness.
    1. Reyngard
      Reyngard April 27 2013 09: 43 New
      +2
      I fully agree and support!
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv April 27 2013 09: 45 New
    10
    Entering Russia to earn what the hell are they pulling their pregnant women and crowds of children?
    Then we pay for them medicine, kindergartens and schools, travel in transport (they .... and crowds ride the metro and electric trains for free), give birth in our maternity hospitals, go to our clinics and send money home.
    Let them pamper our hucksters there that the rest were not inseparable in Russia to take them to work and not their own.
    Sales officials, doctors, teachers providing services to these migrants, today you are with money, and tomorrow you will not bring the Lord with a cut off head because of your greed, know your children or grandchildren, these compassionate migrants can also get it.
    There is nothing to delay time and flirt with the buoys, it is time to decide and act now, then it can be late stop
  • My address
    My address April 27 2013 10: 00 New
    +3
    The fish rots from the head.
    Rogozin proposed this year to let only passports, Putin corrected - only with 2015. If so, then settle them in the Kremlin. Let the inhabitants of heaven closer to meet.
    I agree that an evil comment, but tired of the mess.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 27 2013 10: 02 New
    +6
    Let the migrants come in three cheerful letters! The Russians were kicked out in the 90s, but as it came down, they immediately rushed to Russia. Let them starve in their Central Asia.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2013 10: 07 New
      0
      such a decision is emotions, but in politics they do not always bring to good
      firstly, there are still enough Russians living in the SA, secondly, such a demarche means a breakdown of relations, and a holy place does not exist, it means that others will come in our place and it will certainly not be our friends.
      here you need not only a whip, but also a carrot
      1. UFO
        UFO April 27 2013 10: 41 New
        +2
        They have long been NOT FRIENDS to us! And about the “life” of Russians still remaining in the same Tajikistan, talk to them yourself. They will tell you that Russian nationality is a synonym for a prostitute for a girl. In order to get a Russian guy to serve at our 201st base, you need to give bribes to the "Ravshans and Dzhumshuds" who can "solve" this issue, I'm not talking about the possibility of a career in civil service, etc. fool
    2. Maximus
      Maximus April 27 2013 11: 16 New
      0
      But we are merciful, we accept everyone ...
  • Humpty
    Humpty April 27 2013 10: 06 New
    +6
    Quote: fenix57
    More and more convinced of the indispensability of the DEAR G. ONISHCHENKO. Indeed, in essence, he and his department worked for the Federal Drug Control Service and the Migration Service, and for the Russian Foreign Ministry. May God grant him good health and good luck! hi

    Onishchenko does not know this contingent of residents of the Ferghana Valley and its environs by hearsay. My father, along with his parents, once treated them for the evil diseases that are still popular among Asians.
    The reason why all sorts of drugs are screaming for their guest workers is very simple. If oxygen is cut off for them in Russia, then indignant migrants who have returned home will quickly wrap up the rotten head of their plots. Yes, what’s good instead of the Nazi regimes, as it is now everywhere in Wed. Asia will establish pro-Russian.
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts April 27 2013 10: 08 New
    +4
    This is my opinion, it may be wrong or differ from the opinion of others:
    1) Border in holes;
    2) A niche and work for visitors from the former republics will always be;
    3) We need to influence the processes taking place in the former republics of the USSR;
    4) We must be sure of the maximum loyalty of residents of neighboring states;
    5) Using all opportunities, we should promote the idea of ​​the need to return to the union state and the superiority of Russia (in various aspects) within the framework of the former Warsaw Pact.
    Respectively:
    1) The USA is not capable of 100% controlling the border with Mexico. We must use their experience and, in any case, equip the border. The southern border must be controlled as much as possible and it is necessary to do this first of all;
    2) Do you want to work in Russia - learn a language, pass an exam, pass fingerprints (lips, a retinal scan, a full-face and profile photo, DNA, etc.). But there must be a single base for this. But in our country cars are stolen to the Caucasus and cannot be found for a long time. Do not enter the database.
    3) They talked a lot about Rakhmon (http://kompromati.ru/2000/09/16/raxmonov-nbsp-i-nbsp-tadzhikistan-nbsp/
    http://stringer-news.com/publication.mhtml?Part=48&PubID=19388 http://www.informacia.ru/zagranica/3/578-80.html) и поменять его можно.
    4) As practice shows, loyalty is bought. What I would like for loyalty to be bought from ordinary citizens, and not from "cones". The bumps must be kept in check the dirt and fear of sudden death.
    5) It’s good that they began to pay attention to counter-propaganda. There is money, to build powerful stations transmitting radio and TV signals in various languages, with coverage of events from a favorable point of view and the formation of an appropriate image and pushing to the necessary conclusions, I am for it.
    1. lubin
      lubin April 27 2013 10: 58 New
      +1
      And paragraph 6) to equate the "loyalty" of the official to irregular migrants to treason, with all the consequences .... good
  • AK-47
    AK-47 April 27 2013 10: 10 New
    +1
    ... announced the translation into Tajik of even those words that were not in it at all.

    Perhaps this refers to "swearing" words.
    This is how much ingenuity is needed to create their analogue with the same lethal force. Do not pull.
    1. Denis
      Denis April 29 2013 09: 40 New
      0
      Quote: AK-47
      Perhaps this refers to "swearing" words
      Not only, ask how winter is translated, the usual time of year
  • UFO
    UFO April 27 2013 10: 12 New
    +4
    We do not need these savages. Already sick of these faces. The city has a "labor exchange" - a bypass road, there are dozens of them hanging out every day, NO we have so much work! And the janitors do not need so much, even in Moscow (I know what I'm talking about), you have to deal with your citizens, and in Moscow not all businessmen and managers. The names of these monkeys change, ha, yes, "shit ... and fall asleep with roses," let them return to the Middle Ages! All the work of the Gaster is reduced to a simple formula: Earn the first money (at a construction site, drugs, etc.), hit the road for consumer goods and settle down in our markets (or settle in the vegetable market). The situation is heating up, over the past week, I have at work only 2 attacks of chocks on the street. In the first case, they beat and took the antediluvian mob. tel., in the 2nd - tel. and about 2 thousand money. I myself get a permit for weapons, I think not long to wait "until it begins."
  • irka_65. irina
    irka_65. irina April 27 2013 10: 12 New
    +1
    It has long been necessary to show all these Rahmonov the way out. They got hurt! Nothing, but a sense of dignity they still infringed upon. Did they even have it?
    1. UFO
      UFO April 27 2013 10: 31 New
      -1
      They have only 2 instincts: to eat and multiply! lol
  • shark
    shark April 27 2013 10: 13 New
    +4
    Apparently the border must be closed. Let someone not like it, but I’ll say such demarches of representatives of a semi-medieval country that have nothing but an important strategic position in relation to Russia are not acceptable. The answer should be asymmetric. Closing borders, expelling (even at our expense) Tajiks from Russia , freezing all money transfers with this country. Because these monkeys understand only the language of power. And still a bad memory. They bite the hand of the lactating. For this, it would be necessary to punish them
  • romb
    romb April 27 2013 10: 17 New
    +6
    In no case should the loss of Tajikistan be allowed. We will lose it, we will receive either a new province of Afghanistan or even worse - China. By and large, the Russian base on the territory of Tajikistan serves as a kind of barrage buffer aimed at maintaining the secular foundations of individual countries in Central Asia. Most likely, the withdrawal or withdrawal of the Russian base from the territory of the indicated state will lead to a sharp radicalization of the bulk of the local population, which will ultimately affect the growth of tension not only in the Central Asian region, but also in Russia itself.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk April 27 2013 10: 31 New
      +5
      Let them pay for the base, not us.
      1. romb
        romb April 27 2013 10: 36 New
        +3
        Everyone needs this. In particular, Russia in this country has both geopolitical and economic interests.
        1. Maximus
          Maximus April 27 2013 10: 59 New
          0
          Interests, but not to the detriment of their own.
        2. Airman
          Airman April 30 2013 23: 52 New
          0
          Our elite simply forgot how the Russians were expelled, killed, and raped in Tajikistan in the 90s. It is necessary to strengthen the border, instead of keeping the base there.
      2. Maximus
        Maximus April 27 2013 11: 01 New
        +2
        The real offer for the base should be paid by Tajiks, or they will pay by the Taliban. Our base is a guarantor.
  • Basilevs
    Basilevs April 27 2013 10: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Break the direct train to the Tajik border, from the Russian border. From wagon to wagon through tight border, sanitary and customs controls. It is easy to apply if the authorities are interested in this.

    Here are the golden words !! Cheap, profitable and cheerful.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 April 27 2013 10: 50 New
    +2
    I must admit that the migration policy in Russia failed miserably, cities and towns are filled with * doubtful * from the near abroad, the leaders of these countries do not suck money from Russia inside their countries, knowing that a rich neighbor is nearby and forcing their people to go to work for us ... even tired of writing on this topic
    1. Maximus
      Maximus April 27 2013 10: 58 New
      0
      Yes, the hackneyed topic ....
  • dc120mm
    dc120mm April 27 2013 10: 50 New
    +2
    Drugs eta Plague of our days.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 27 2013 10: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    An interesting picture. Directly in oil. Not the Russians to them, but they are an avalanche rod and dictate the rules of the game. A strict visa regime with them should not be introduced tomorrow, but yesterday and the border should be guarded as in the USSR with capitalist states. With the same Afghanistan. Break the direct train to the Tajik border, from the Russian border. From wagon to wagon through tight border, sanitary and customs controls. It is easy to apply if the authorities are interested in this. So far, it seems the opposite. Someone benefits from this mess on the border.

    These moves of the Tajs remind me of cockroaches in the kitchen, where they began to clean, and cockroaches do not like it!
  • Maximus
    Maximus April 27 2013 10: 57 New
    +1
    How much longer can you please Rahmon, how they fuss with a moody child. All Central Asian princes are trying to sit on two chairs, bargaining as in the eastern bazaar.
  • Committee
    Committee April 27 2013 10: 58 New
    +3
    What disrespect ?! If they are still given a lift! I don’t know how in the rest of Russia, but in us, in a peer-friendly Yekaterinburg, they give them money for arrangement. By the way, to the moderators, but what about how to get it, but to send a request to the prosecutor about this? I have a neighbor on the site, Tajiks, 4 million per family were given "lifting"
    1. cyclist
      cyclist April 27 2013 11: 37 New
      -1
      in a mustache in a mustache sold with goo .. well for a long time !!!
  • Opera
    Opera April 27 2013 11: 10 New
    0
    Issues with the Russian military base of the Tajik government will have to be solved!
    And also translate into the Tajik Criminal Code with comments!
    1. bubla5
      bubla5 April 27 2013 12: 32 New
      0
      There will be no base, Rahmon will immediately be put on a stake with his clan, and the remaining ones will, as always, move to Russia