Grigory Semenov. From a Tsarist Army Ensign to a Self-Proclaimed Ataman of the Civil War

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Grigory Semenov. From a Tsarist Army Ensign to a Self-Proclaimed Ataman of the Civil War
G. Semenov on a lithograph from 1918


Ataman Semenov is one of the undisputed anti-heroes of the Civil War and the entire Russian storiesMajor General William Sidney Graves, who commanded the U.S. Army Expeditionary Force in Siberia from 1918 to 1920, in his book "America's Siberian Adventure" directly called Kolchak's army a "retreating band." And about Ataman Grigory Semyonov, he wrote the following:



Semyonov organized what were known as "kill stations" and openly boasted that he could not sleep peacefully unless he had killed at least someone during the day.

Later, the investigation established that at just one of these "killing stations"—in Adrianovka—3,000 people were executed. And in the prison in the city of Troitskosavsk, over 1500 people were killed (481 of them executed in just two days—January 1 and 5, 1920).

Meanwhile, at the Council of self-proclaimed “atamans” of the Transbaikal Cossacks, which took place on February 16, 2013, in Chita, the issue of “preparing for the rehabilitation of Ataman G. M. Semenov” was considered.

After Yeltsin came to power, a clear and still persistent trend toward whitewashing and even glorifying traitors, executioners, and sadists emerged. One recalls the deceitful film about Kolchak and the monument to this bloody admiral, which, by some terrible misunderstanding, still stands in Irkutsk. And this despite the fact that in 1999, the Transbaikal Military Court declared Kolchak "a man who committed crimes against peace and humanity and is not subject to rehabilitation," a ruling upheld by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation in November 2001.

Monuments to the "literary Vlasovite" and incompetent graphomaniac Solzhenitsyn still stand in Moscow, Vladivostok, and Kislovodsk, and a museum center named after him operates in Ryazan. Two "Yeltsin Centers"—in Yekaterinburg and Moscow—continue their destructive, anti-state, and Russophobic activities. Therefore, it is crucial for us all to remember not only the worthy figures but also the antiheroes—otherwise, during the next "perestroika," anti-Soviet elements and fifth columnist liberals will destroy not the Soviet Union, but the Russian Federation.

The origin and youth of the future ataman


Grigory Mikhailovich Semyonov was born on September 13 (26), 1890, in the so-called "karaul" (settlement) of Kuranzha, which belonged to the Durulguevskaya stanitsa of the Transbaikal Cossack Host (currently a village in the Transbaikal Territory). His father was Russian, his mother was Buryat, from a Christian but Old Believer family. The children, in addition to Russian, also spoke Mongolian and Buryat. Grigory Semyonov later learned English, not very well, but did speak Japanese and Chinese.

The family had many children, but was not poor. Their son, Grigory, was initially sent to a two-year school in the village of Mogoytuy, then passed the six-year exams of a classical gymnasium as an external student. In 1908, he entered the Orenburg Military School, where the troop sergeant major A. Dutov, the future lieutenant general and troop ataman of the Orenburg Cossack Host, was then working as an assistant inspector.

In 1911, Grigory completed his training and received the rank of cornet (since 1884, a 12th-class rank in the Table of Ranks, equivalent to lieutenant, cornet, midshipman, and provincial secretary). He was assigned to the 1st Verkhneudinsk Regiment of the Transbaikal Cossack Host, stationed in Troitskosavsk (Kyakhta), on the border with Khalkha (northern Mongolia). The regiment regularly provided a platoon to escort Russian missions to Urga and Beijing.

Semenov, as we recall, knew Mongolian and was therefore assigned to the Russian consulate in Ugra. He managed to establish good relations with the 8th Bogd Gegeen, Ngawang Lobsang Choekyi Nyima Tenzin Wangchuk (the head of Mongolia's Buddhists), who, after Mongolia declared independence in December 1911, was declared the Great Khan (Bogd Khan)—the last in Mongolian history.


Bogdo Gegen VIII in a photograph from the 1910s.

Semyonov took part in the coup d'état without permission, incurring the wrath of the Russian authorities. He was recalled from Ugra and sent to serve first in the 2nd Transbaikal Battery. In April 1913, he was transferred to the 1st Chita Regiment, and in late December, to the 1st Nerchinsk Regiment, later commanded by Baron Pyotr Wrangel. One of Semyonov's fellow soldiers was another famous baron, Robert Nikolaus Maximilian von Ungern-Sternberg, who became famous during the civil war for his ideas about restoring Genghis Khan's Mongol empire, stretching from Lake Baikal to the Pacific Ocean.

It was Ungern who, in February 1921, restored the Bogd Khan, who had been ousted in 1919, to the throne. However, on November 1 of that year, he was forced to sign the "Oath Treaty" between the People's Revolutionary Government of Mongolia, which stipulated that he would remain the head of the Buddhist Sangha and also the "ceremonial monarch." After his death in June 1923, the monarchy in Mongolia was abolished.

G. Semenov during World War I


At the end of September 1914, the Ussuri Brigade, which included the 1st Nerchinsk Regiment, was transferred to Warsaw. In November of that year, Semenov managed to recapture the banner of his brigade (or, according to other sources, regiment) captured by the Germans; without it, the unit would have been disbanded. The Prussian hussars then launched a surprise attack on the headquarters, but on the way back, they encountered Semenov's fifty-man company returning from reconnaissance. The reward was the Order of St. George, 4th Class. Semenov's Cossacks then recaptured a large supply train from the Germans, which had nearly been captured; two lieutenant colonels were among the prisoners. In December 1914, Semenov, at the head of a Cossack patrol, was the first to break into the city of Mlawa, but it was only two years later that he received the Order of St. George for this episode. weapon.

In July 1915, G. Semenov was appointed regimental adjutant, and just at that time, P. Wrangel became commander of the 1st Nerchinsk Regiment. This is how he later recalled him:

Semyonov, a natural-born Transbaikal Cossack, a stocky, dark-haired man, was the regimental adjutant when I took over the regiment. He served in this capacity for about four months before being appointed squadron commander. Brisk and intelligent, with a characteristic Cossack shrewdness, an excellent drill sergeant, and courageous, especially in the eyes of his superiors, he managed to make himself quite popular among both Cossacks and officers. His downsides were a significant penchant for intrigue and an unscrupulousness in the means he used to achieve his goals. Though intelligent and dexterous, Semyonov lacked both education (he barely graduated from military academy) and a broad outlook, and I could never understand how he could have subsequently risen to the forefront of the civil war.

In 1915, Semyonov took part in five raids behind German lines, and in early 1916 he was appointed commander of the 6th Sotnia. Since his regiment was transferred to the Southwestern Front, it participated in the Brusilov Offensive. In December, he requested a transfer to the 3rd Verkhneudinsk Regiment, which was then stationed in Persia. Here, in 1917, he fought against pro-Ottoman forces and rose to the rank of Yesaul.

G. Semenov after the February Revolution


Until now, we've seen Semyonov as a good and honest soldier. Everything began to change after the February Revolution. At that time, he found himself in Bessarabia and was elected to the corps committee of soldiers' deputies. He traveled to Petrograd, where he approached Kerensky with a proposal to form a separate Mongol-Buryat cavalry regiment, which he intended to lead to the front in order to "awaken the conscience of the Russian soldier, who would be reproached by these foreigners fighting for the Russian cause." And in June 1917, he was indeed appointed commissar of the Provisional Government for the formation of volunteer units from Mongols and Buryats in the Transbaikal region. He himself wrote about his stay in Petrograd:

Having witnessed the anarchy and activity of Bolshevik agitators in the capital, and having attended several meetings of the Petrograd Soviet, he proposed to Colonel Muravyov, who was forming volunteer units, that a company of cadets arrest the members of the Petrograd Soviet as agents of an enemy country, immediately try them by court martial, and immediately carry out the sentences. Then, if necessary, arrest the Provisional Government and "in the name of the people, ask the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, Cavalry General Brusilov, to assume dictatorship over the country."

Muravyov reported the plan to Brusilov, but he refused to implement it.

In 1945, the arrested Semenov told investigators:

My active work against Soviet power began in 1917, when the Soviets of Workers' and Soldiers' Deputies were being organized in Petrograd. Being in Petrograd at the time and taking into account the current situation, I intended, with the help of two military schools, to organize a coup, occupy the Tauride Palace, arrest Lenin and the members of the Petrograd Soviet, and immediately execute them, thereby decapitating the Bolshevik movement and confronting the revolutionary garrison of Petrograd with a fait accompli.

Return to Transbaikalia


After the October Revolution, Semyonov's first wife, Zinaida (née Manstein), who gave birth to his son Vyacheslav in 1915, went to Paris. She would die only in 1945, but this did not prevent Semyonov from marrying again in Siberia. His second wife was Elena Viktorovna Tersitskaya, a priest's daughter, who gave birth to three daughters and one son. One of the daughters survived until 1982 and was murdered in Chelyabinsk; the crime remains unsolved.

But let's return to G.M. Semenov, who, having arrived in Verkhneudinsk (now Ulan-Ude, the capital of Buryatia), began recruiting volunteers for the Special Mongol-Buryat Cavalry Regiment. However, he also accepted Russians. It soon became clear that Semenov's condition for acceptance into the unit was the rejection of all democratic reforms. Upon learning of the impending arrest, Semenov and the men he had recruited fled to Dauria station, where he continued to build his unit. The first episode of brutality occurred during this time: in the first half of December, the Bolshevik Arkus, who had been executed, had his stomach ripped open, and his body was then burned after being doused with kerosene. Soon, such executions would be carried out on living people. Two days after Arkus's execution, an entire train car containing the mutilated bodies of supporters of the new government was sent to Chita.

On December 18, 1917, at Manchuria Station, Semyonov liquidated the local city council and disarmed the regular army units stationed there, which by then had completely lost their combat effectiveness. The extent of their disintegration can be judged by the fact that Baron Ungern, who had joined Semyonov, with a single Cossack, easily managed to disarm two companies of soldiers.


Baron Ungern in 1918

After this, Semyonov, at the head of a detachment of 550 men, attempted to establish his authority in Dauria (eastern Transbaikal). This should come as no surprise, as Siberia was extremely sparsely populated, and all the more or less large settlements were located along the Trans-Siberian Railway. In Semyonov's own words, the front at that time was merely "a narrow strip of railroad track." Under such conditions, even a thousand well-armed and motivated fighters, especially in the absence of firm local authority, constituted a considerable force.

This time, Semyonov was quickly driven out of Dauria by Sergei Lazo, who, in addition to the mining workers, also commanded captured Czech and Slovak legionnaires who had defected to the Reds. Incidentally, Semyonov once said:

If I had several officers like Lazo, I would not have known defeat!


Monument to Lazo in Partizansk, Primorsky Krai

On March 1, 1918, Semyonov was forced to retreat to Manchuria. There, he continued to build the Special Manchurian Detachment, increasing its strength to three thousand by early April 1918. It included Captain Okumura's Japanese detachment (540 soldiers and 28 officers with 15 guns), two Chinese infantry regiments, 300 former Serbian prisoners of war (from those living in Austria-Hungary), two officer companies, three cavalry regiments consisting of four hundred men, and four armored trains. Esaul Semyonov unexpectedly found himself commanding not only senior officers of the Tsarist army but even generals. He escaped this precarious situation by declaring himself ataman of the Special Manchurian Detachment. And then - as a marching ataman of the Ussuri, Amur, Transbaikal, Ural and Siberian Cossack troops.

A similar situation often arose among the Reds. Thus, former ensign Sergei Lazo's chief of staff was Lieutenant General and Baltic German Baron Alexander Taube, who had been awarded the St. George Cross in 1915 and was a holder of seven Tsarist orders and the Order of Noble Bukhara.

Thus, during the Civil War, some very interesting Baltic aristocrats fought on opposite sides of the front: the “Black Baron” Wrangel, the “Mad Baron” Ungern, and the “Red Baron” Taube.


Coat of arms of the baronial family von Taube

The German-Swedish Taube family has been known since the 13th century. One of its members, Johann Taube, was captured by the Russians during the Livonian War in 1560 and entered the service of Ivan the Terrible in 1567, becoming one of his closest advisers on Livonian affairs. After the failure of the siege of Reval, which he advised, and fearing the Tsar's wrath, he fled to the Polish King Sigismund Augustus along with another Livonian, Elert Kruse. The report he compiled for the Duke of Courland on Russian affairs is a valuable historical document.

It is curious, by the way, that a representative of another Russian branch of the Taube family (not the Pavlovsk, but the Gatchina one) – Mikhail Ferdinandovich Taube (1855–1924) – became one of the theorists of neo-Slavophilism, one of the founders of the Lomonosov Society of the Russian Language, chairman of the St. Petersburg Temperance Society and the author of the famous poem “Black Hundreds”:

Whoever is firmly Orthodox in faith,
In whom there is no doubt for a moment,
That the Russian Tsar is autocratic,
Unlimited and great, -
That natural Black Hundreder,
He is devoted to his homeland forever.
In that is the original spirit, the spirit of the people,
He is a Russian man at heart.

After the revolution, he remained in Russia, lectured at the Petrograd Brotherhood of Saint Sophia, organized the "Resurrection" circle of Orthodox intelligentsia, was not repressed, and died in Petrograd in 1924.

But let's return to the "Siberian Red General" Alexander Taube: he fought in the Russo-Japanese War and World War I, and after being seriously wounded in 1915, he took over as chief of staff of the Omsk Military District. In this 1917 photograph, we see members of the Omsk Military District Committee and senior officers of the military district. A. Taube is seated on the right:


After the October Revolution, A. Taube became chief of staff of all Red Army armed forces in Siberia. He was sent to Moscow, where he was supposed to meet with Lenin and inform him of the state of affairs in Siberia and Transbaikalia. However, en route on September 2, 1918, in the Irkutsk village of Bodaibo, Taube was recognized and detained by the White Army. He categorically refused the post of commander of Kolchak's Siberian Army and any cooperation with the command of the Czechoslovak Corps, declaring:

My gray hair and bruised legs do not allow me to go in my declining years to the camp of the interventionists and enemies of working Russia.

He was sentenced to death by firing squad, but in January 1919 he died of typhus in a solitary confinement cell in a Yekaterinburg prison.

His younger brother, railway engineer Sergei Taube, worked for the benefit of our country for many years and was awarded the title of “Honored Railwayman of the USSR.”

In the next article, we'll continue the story of Ataman Grigory Semyonov, discussing his participation in the civil war in Siberia, his emigration, and his continued collaboration with the Japanese. We'll also explore the bloody ataman's just retribution and inglorious death.
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  1. +2
    16 November 2025 04: 00
    IMHO ...
    Ataman Semenov - one of the undisputed antiheroes of the Civil War and throughout Russian history.

    I probably wasn't raised so badly as to find pleasure in seeking out the finest varieties of crap, but I must say that this is precisely how the worst Nazis find their followers. There's no need to dwell on vices or find the allure of sadism... There are many other themes that positively influence personality development.
    stop The film "A Boy's Word" makes me feel disgusted...
    hi
    1. IVZ
      +7
      16 November 2025 11: 10
      The film "A Boy's Word" makes me feel disgusted...
      From the trailers, I knew I wouldn't be watching. As for digging around in the dungeons, I think it's a thankless task, but it's necessary now to restore the historical truth that has been deliberately distorted by the scum of the liberals who have discredited everything they didn't like about our country's past.
  2. +6
    16 November 2025 04: 43
    In this case, his reward is well-deserved according to his deeds.
    1. +18
      16 November 2025 04: 47
      I have big complaints about the creators of the film "Admiral".
      They created a polished and heart-rending image of the "savior of Russia"... but they didn't show in this film what his subordinates did in my city... half-baked crooks. am
      You need to know this...
      1. +9
        16 November 2025 09: 22
        I have big complaints about the creators of the film "Admiral".

        But I simply have no questions for them. Considering that a certain Konstantin Ernst (one of the founders) has been *directing* the so-called *First* Channel for many years. laughing Do you have any kind words for him, Alexey?
        1. +3
          17 November 2025 00: 45
          The Great War series is a worthy documentary-feature film. At least in this way, it will instill a sense of homeland in deprived generations.
          As for the glorification of these murderers and traitors, the Cold War in the country hasn't subsided and won't subside. And this isn't the work of individual liberals; it's state ideology. It's designed for the younger generations. Like that slug Solzhenitsyn in the school curriculum.
      2. +2
        16 November 2025 17: 04
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        But they didn't show in this film what his subordinates did in my city... unfinished swindling.
        You need to know this...

        Let's say it's not just your city. And how much and what they did in the surrounding area. It's no wonder a large portion of the population of the future Novosibirsk Oblast rose up against this "savior of Russia." After all, in many villages of the Novosibirsk Oblast in the 70s and 80s, there were monuments to those who died in battles with Kolchak's forces, and in some villages, the death toll was even longer than the number of those who died in the Great Patriotic War... And the author rightly said that while there is a monument to this bloody admiral, which, by some terrible misunderstanding, still stands in Irkutsk, we, or rather, we will be forced by all means to curse our heroic future and glorify all sorts of scum like Solzhenitsyn. Although, little by little, both Novosibirsk and Komsomolsk-on-Amur are remembering the true heroes of their Fatherland, and have erected, albeit for now, busts of V.I. Stalin...
      3. +2
        18 November 2025 11: 16
        I live in Kuzbass, and since childhood I've heard stories about Kolchak's men's actions along the Trans-Siberian Railway (specifically the Tayga-Yashkino-Yurga section)—my hair stood on end, I didn't believe it at first. They slaughtered entire farmsteads and burned them (this happened in Tayga; those fanatics had a real obsession with burning Red Army soldiers in furnaces). And I must say, our region was liberated by the 5th Shock Army (Frunze). They weren't exactly squeamish either. In Soviet times, the Tayga region was always a place for searching for "Kolchak's treasure"—gold. And they say (I don't know, really) they weren't looking for gold, but for the secret police archives of the "supreme ruler," who, as if slandered by agents, had his family sacked. That "ruler" had a real blast here.
  3. +18
    16 November 2025 05: 05
    In Yekaterinburg, there was an annual tradition in the fall of reading the names of those repressed in the city center. Once, at a briefing preparing for this event, a suggestion was made to give a brief introduction—"Why?" The organizers eagerly embraced the idea, but quickly backed down. It wasn't the "lambs" who turned out to be white. Among the top ten names alone, two murderers and one sodomite were spotted. hi
    Valery, thank you for continuing this thankless topic.
    1. -2
      16 November 2025 13: 13
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      In the top ten names alone, two murderers and one sodomite were noticed...

      hi
      Here are the first names from the Yekaterinburg Book of Memory: who is the sodomite here?
      -n, village of Pyatistenki, worked - Vostokurallag, guard, arrested 01.08.46, convicted 27.11.46, punishment - 6 years in a labor camp

      Aalto Emil Karlovich, born in 1906, place of birth - Finland, Helsinki province, village of Lohja, Finn, lived - Sverdlovsk region, city of Kamensk, worked - Aluminum Plant, bricklayer, arrested 09/07/37, convicted 01/13/38, punishment - execution 03/10/38

      Aaltonen Ekaterina Nesterovna, born in 1906, place of birth - Finland, Udenmaa province, Lohja settlement, Finnish, lived - Chelyabinsk region, city of Kamensk, worked - housewife, arrested 01.11.38, convicted 05.11.38, punishment - 10 years in a labor camp

      Abazapullo Evgeny Pavlovich, born in 1907, place of birth - Ukrainian SSR, city of Odessa, Ukrainian, lived - city of Sverdlovsk, worked - Uralmashzavod, senior foreman, arrested 09/02/36, convicted 03/21/37, punishment - execution 03/22/37

      Abazapulo Anna Pavlovna, born in 1909, place of birth - RSFSR, Sverdlovsk region, Oktyabrsky district, village Bobrovka, Russian, lived - city of Sverdlovsk, worked - Ural Heavy Machinery Plant, timekeeper, arrested 08/28/37, convicted 09/27/37, punishment - 8 years in a labor camp

      Abaimov Mikhail Stepanovich, born in 1916, place of birth - RSFSR, Gorky region, Fominsky district, village Seltso, Russian, lived - city of Sverdlovsk, worked - Energosbyt, inspector, arrested 09/16/42, convicted 07/03/43, punishment - 10 months of forced labor

      Abaimov-Bulatova Valentina Efremovna, born in 1908, place of birth - RSFSR, Khabarovsk, Russian, lived in - China, Manchuria, Harbin, worked - Library Department of the Yu.M.Zh.D., librarian, arrested 09/14/46, convicted 03/01/47, punishment - 10 years in a labor camp

      Abaidullin Shigabutdin Gizetdinovich, born in 1897, place of birth - RSFSR, Omsk region, Tyumen district, village Novye Yurty, Uzbek, lived - city of Sverdlovsk, worked - pedagogical college, teacher, arrested 12/27/37, convicted 01/15/38, punishment - execution 01/27/38

      Abakulov Vasily Andreevich, born in 1897, place of birth - RSFSR, Sverdlovsk region, Sukholozhsky district, village of Kuryi, Russian, lived - Sverdlovsk region, Sukholozhsky district, village of Sukhoi Log, worked - cement plant, mechanic, arrested 02/22/38, convicted 08/02/38, punishment - 8 years in a labor camp

      Abakumets Ilya Stepanovich, born in 1892, place of birth - Ukrainian SSR, Chernigov region, city of Korolevets, Ukrainian, lived - Sverdlovsk region, Aramil district, state farm Istok, worked - state farm "Istok", horse driver, arrested 10.01.38, convicted 10.07.38, punishment - execution 28.07.38

      In just one year (fall 37-fall 38) 682 thousand people were shot - all sodomites?
    2. +4
      16 November 2025 18: 04
      My great-grandfather was shot in Yekaterinburg and his name is on the memorial.
      Grandma later found out that it was simply a denunciation
      not a murderer, not a sodomite

      It's in vain that you get into this topic, many innocent people actually died there
      1. +2
        17 November 2025 06: 51
        Quote: OlegEKB
        My great-grandfather was shot in Yekaterinburg and his name is on the memorial.
        Grandma later found out that it was simply a denunciation
        not a murderer, not a sodomite

        It's in vain that you get into this topic, many innocent people actually died there

        My great-grandfather was also executed. So I dug deep into this topic, even going so far as to study criminal case files.
        Regarding the innocent, yes, there were quite a few, but they were also justified. Sometimes the abominations are so vile it's nauseating. So it's necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff.
        However, this reduces the “numbers” to reasonable values, which is contraindicated for “pedaling” the topic.
        1. +2
          17 November 2025 13: 30
          But for Mr. Olgovich, they're all good. Incidentally, my paternal great-grandfather was also executed in 1929, when dispossession came to Oirotia.
  4. +10
    16 November 2025 06: 14
    A good series of articles about "antiheroes." I'd love to read more about heroes in a similar series. For example, about the heroic Zemlyachka... wink
    1. +12
      16 November 2025 06: 42
      Read ...
      In Siberia and the Far East, for every bread-and-cookie seller killed by the Bolsheviks, there were about a hundred ordinary people...this included not only communists...but also sympathizers, relatives...people were killed by entire families...the executioners of Kolchak, Semyonov, Annenkov, the Japanese, the White Czechs, the Americans, and the British distinguished themselves in this.
      So it's good that the Bolsheviks gave a good kick in the ass to all these executioners of the Russian people.
      1. +5
        16 November 2025 11: 41
        So, there was no reason to establish Soviet power in Siberia. There were few people, but there was, to put it mildly, plenty of land. Workers worked, earned money, and the peasants were prosperous.
        If it weren't for the Whites, there would never have been any support for the Bolsheviks there. Everyone simply rebelled against them. It's no wonder there were stories circulating about awarding Kolchak the Order of Lenin for establishing Soviet power in Siberia.
        1. +1
          17 November 2025 01: 00
          The system of relations didn't guarantee prosperity for all peasants. These are the tales of perestroika "historians." It's not like everyone is "in the clear." Even simple logic refutes this. And A.S. Ivanov didn't create his novel out of thin air or make it up. Unlike those opportunistic "historians," the bourgeois ass-kissers.
      2. +1
        16 November 2025 17: 11
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        So it's good that the Bolsheviks gave a good kick in the ass to all these executioners of the Russian people.

        Unfortunately, not everyone. There's one missing here, Olgovich (Andrey).
    2. -15
      16 November 2025 07: 00
      And so, for the past 40 years, Gorbachev has granted "freedom of speech" to the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people. You've been cowardly shifting the blame from yourselves, from what you and others like you have done, onto others. And you've been erasing from the history of our country and people all the facts that are unfavorable to you, including the White Terror, the atrocities of the interventionists, and their large-scale plundering of Russia.
      1. +11
        16 November 2025 07: 09
        And you? Were you on the barricades in '93? Did you fight for the USSR in '91? Did you expose the overfed party nomenklatura in the '80s? So you're the one throwing out the unfavorable facts. History isn't all black and white. There are many shades. wink
        1. -15
          16 November 2025 07: 14
          Ha, so, the responsibility for the seizure of the USSR is yours, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, you all cowardly shifted the blame onto those from whom you took it away.
          Yes, because all the enemies of the USSR themselves admit that they seized the USSR for criminal purposes - to the detriment of the country and the people, and for their own enrichment at the expense of robbing the country and the people.
          Therefore, they slandered those from whom they took the USSR, and automatically justified all the crimes of the external and internal enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, including the crimes of the White Guards.
      2. +5
        16 November 2025 09: 09
        their large-scale plundering of Russia

        Irina, how do you personally assess the actions of the Revolutionary Military Revolutionary Republic during the Civil War? bully
        1. +1
          17 November 2025 01: 07
          I'll answer for Irina. She's spouting slogans, and it's hard to find the right one right away, so there's no point in repeating them. Although, in essence, it's all true. The USSR was brought down for the purpose of speculating with impunity.
          The Red Terror arose in response to the White Terror, and nothing else. Initially, the road beyond the border was open to anyone who did not accept the working class's rule. Even with their junk and gold.
    3. +5
      16 November 2025 07: 51
      Native Sevastopol residents told me about their grandparents' memories of this creature, the organizer of the murder of several thousand White officers who believed the Bolsheviks and remained in Sevastopol. Her place is in the very heart of hell.
      1. +4
        16 November 2025 07: 56
        We are talking about the fiery revolutionary Zemlyachka (her last name is different)
        1. VLR
          +3
          16 November 2025 08: 05
          The article "Pyotr Wrangel: The Fall of the Black Baron" stated that Wrangel shared responsibility for these reprisals. He hid from his troops a telegram from Frunze, in which Frunze had guaranteed mercy to anyone who laid down their arms within 24 hours, and even the opportunity to travel abroad unhindered—avoiding the excesses of Wrangel's panicked evacuation. This displeased Lenin, who ordered that the offer not be renewed if Wrangel refused. But he did not rescind it. Wrangel hid this offer from his subordinates, and Frunze's hands were now literally tied. The Reds, however, knew about the offer. Frunze reacted accordingly to his refusal—the implacable enemies refused to surrender. Hatred of the Whites was so great that many of the reprisals were vigilante. Therefore, much of the blame for the repressions falls on Wrangel. But the Denikinites who surrendered in Novorossiysk were not repressed—precisely because the White Guards who remained there (unable to board the ships) did not resist, but immediately surrendered to the first Red mounted patrols that entered the city. The words of the Red scout commander, addressed to a crowd of armed Whites, are characteristic:
          "Comrades, don't shoot, the war is over."
          In other words, everyone was confident that the civil war in the south was over and was quite peace-loving. The new round was orchestrated by Slashchev, who defended Crimea, and Wrangel, who entrenched himself there.
          1. +10
            16 November 2025 10: 27
            Quote: VlR
            Wrangel is also responsible for these massacres.

            Frunze and Lenin ordered the execution, but Wrangel is to blame?
            Don't you think that this is too much even for you?
            Quote: VlR
            But the Denikinites who surrendered in Novorossiysk were not repressed.

            Oh really!
            Or did you mean to say, not right away?
            Prisoners from Novorossiysk were delivered to Rostov, where, based on the results of the work of the inspection commissions, some were shot on the spot, and the rest were sent to camps in central Russia{1293}.
            https://militera.lib.ru/research/volkov1/07.html
            1. VLR
              -2
              16 November 2025 10: 45
              Yes, the responsibility lies with Wrangel. If Frunze had broken his word and begun repressions against the Whites who had surrendered, there would be no question about it. But Frunze sends Wrangel a very generous offer, which Wrangel rejects and conceals from his soldiers and officers. No response. What do Frunze and all the Reds think? In Crimea, there are implacable enemies who are ready to die rather than surrender. "If the enemy does not surrender, he is destroyed."
              As for Novorossiysk, a huge number of the remaining Whites joined the Red Army. Naturally, the "suspicious" were "filtered out"—the sins and misdeeds of the most notorious "White Knights" were countless.
              1. +5
                16 November 2025 11: 56
                Quote: VlR
                If Frunze had broken his word and begun repressions against the surrendered Whites

                And he didn't start?
                Quote: VlR
                In Crimea there are implacable enemies who are ready to die rather than surrender.

                You were so hasty in your rebuke that you missed the preposition "not." Or was that a Freudian slip?
                Quote: VlR
                As for Novorossiysk, a huge number of the remaining Whites joined the Red Army.

                How "huge"?
                Quote: VlR
                Naturally, the "suspicious" were "filtered" - the sins and peccadilloes of the most odious "white knights" were countless.

                Promise them everything! We'll hang them later. Right?
                And after this, you are surprised by the refusal to surrender and voluntarily go to Dukhonin’s headquarters?
                Quote: VlR
                Yes, the responsibility lies with Wrangel.

                and the girls in short skirts are to blame for the rapes, and not at all the valuable specialists from the villages.
                1. VLR
                  -1
                  16 November 2025 12: 30
                  The repressions were aimed specifically at those who refused to surrender. A generous offer was made, specific deadlines were set, and a direct order was given to Wrangel: if you don't accept the terms, the possible casualties will be on your conscience. Wrangel rejected the offer and concealed it from his subordinates. He deliberately took the sin upon his soul. As for the Bolsheviks' willingness to keep their word, remember the amnesty that Slashchev, whom even the Whites called "the Hangman," took advantage of. They didn't lay a finger on him, they gave him "jobs in his specialty." And about 250 more Whites, including senior officers and generals, took advantage of this amnesty. For example, the former head of the Markov Division, Major General Yu. Gravitsky, the former commander of the 2nd Brigade of the 1st Don Cossack Division, Major General I. Klochkov, the former head of the Alekseevskaya Infantry Division, Major General E. Zelenin, the senior adjutant of the headquarters of the Kornilov Division, Colonel of the General Staff V. Orzhanovsky,
                  former commander of the 1st Sunzhensk-Vladikavkaz Plastun Battalion, Colonel
                  N. Klimovich, former commander of the "United Russia" armored train, Colonel M. Lyalin, former commanders of the White Guard Samur Regiment, Major General E. Zelenin and Colonel D. Zhitkevich.
                  1. +3
                    16 November 2025 16: 33
                    Quote: VlR
                    There was a generous offer

                    Highly!
                    Quote: VlR
                    Regarding the Bolsheviks' willingness to keep their word

                    let's get a look
                    Quote: VlR
                    Major General Yu. Gravitsky

                    Shot in 1931 in the "Spring" case.
                    Quote: VlR
                    former commander of the Alekseevskaya Infantry Division, Major General E. Zelenin

                    He was shot in 1931 on charges of espionage and preparing an armed uprising.
                    Quote: VlR
                    former commanders of the White Guard Samur Regiment, Major General E. Zelenin

                    See above. This is the same person. The Samur Regiment (formed from former Red Army soldiers) was part of the Alekseyev Division.
                    Quote: VlR
                    Colonel D. Zhitkevich.

                    Shot in 1931.
                    Honestly, you should at least look at Wikipedia before writing...
                    The rest of the people on your list simply disappeared without a trace after crossing the border.
                    Here are some more generals who "believed": https://rusk.ru/st.php?idar=118341
                    Against one Slashchev, who did not end up in the camps or under execution only because he was killed earlier.
                    1. -5
                      16 November 2025 16: 47
                      Well, now let's remember that during Perestroika it immediately became clear what a huge number of enemies of the communists, the USSR and the Soviet people immediately appeared in the USSR, and most of them climbed into the CPSU, the Soviet government, for years and decades pretended to be "loyal communists", and only waited for their moment to destroy everything that the Bolshevik-communists and their supporters created.
                      And they waited.
                      1. +6
                        16 November 2025 16: 50
                        Quote: tatra
                        Well, now let's remember that during Perestroika it immediately became clear what a huge number of enemies of the communists, the USSR, and the Soviet people immediately appeared in the USSR, and most of them climbed into the CPSU

                        I'll tell you more: if, by some divine oversight, Grudinin had won the elections, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation would have become the largest party in Russia the next day.
                        By the way, in your opinion, which Zyuganov is he from? feel
                    2. VLR
                      +2
                      16 November 2025 17: 22
                      The Bolsheviks waited a long time to deal with the returning Whites! Those repressions are a whole other story. And they were carried out by different people. And those who promised the Whites amnesty kept their promise.
                      1. +2
                        17 November 2025 16: 36
                        Quote: VlR
                        And the people who promised amnesty to the whites kept their promise.

                        Only in your fantasies. I did give you a link. Half of the "returnees" were shot there in the 20s.
                        Quote: VlR
                        And they were carried out by other people.

                        Who told you this? The "Vesna" case is precisely those same people. Former warrant officers and non-commissioned officers against former officers.
                    3. -1
                      17 November 2025 07: 41
                      Ivan, have you really at least calculated how much time passed between your return and these repressions? It was a different time, practically a different era; the NEP had already been introduced and abolished. They wanted to sting, but it turned out stupid.
                      1. +1
                        17 November 2025 16: 38
                        Quote: vet
                        They wanted to hurt me, but it turned out stupid.

                        I didn't even think about it.
                        Your "idol" simply thoughtlessly named the first names he came across, not even realizing he was duplicating some of them. And certainly not knowing their ultimate fate.
                        Quote: vet
                        Another time, in fact - another era

                        Shut up. What the hell other time? It's only been ten years since the war, and no one has forgotten or forgiven anything.
                      2. -1
                        18 November 2025 12: 10
                        Yes, Ivan Ochenkov, of course, in those 10 years, the NEP wasn't introduced and abolished in the country, Lenin and Dzerzhinsky, an ardent supporter of the White amnesty, didn't die, there wasn't a brutal intra-party struggle, and Trotsky, Kamenev, and Zinoviev weren't expelled from the party in December 1927. Didn't truly tectonic changes occur? Didn't the "general line" shift?
                        Nothing has changed in the country!?
                        Tell me, do you know nothing about the history of the USSR? Or is your beloved anti-communism and your beloved anti-Sovietism clouding your vision, preventing you from seeing what everyone else sees?
                      3. 0
                        19 November 2025 16: 00
                        Quote: vet
                        Tell me, you don’t know the history of the USSR at all?

                        Alexey, address this question to yourself.
                        It was a completely different story there.
                        The Soviet leadership of the time spent quite a long time luring émigrés in general, and former White Guards in particular, back into the country. And they were generally successful. Many returned, despite attempts to dissuade them. And yes, until they stopped returning, no one bothered anyone. So, a considerable amount of time passed. And only then did they begin executing them on trumped-up charges.
                        Quote: vet
                        Nothing has changed in the country!?

                        For those who were shot?
                        Quote: vet
                        Your favorite anti-communism

                        Well, of course, how could we do without labels...
                        You see, here's the thing. Unlike your idol, I genuinely try to be impartial and don't make up stupid excuses (like one colleague who was smart enough to point to the storming of Izmail) where there aren't any and can't be any.
                        And if I see, excuse me, feces, I call them that, without attaching any importance to the political affiliation of the person who did the defecation.
                        The massacre of prisoners, especially if they were promised pardon, is an abomination that cannot be justified, no matter who committed it.
                      4. -1
                        20 November 2025 12: 58
                        I agree that breaking a promise is bad. But there are three questions:
                        1. Some people gave their word, others broke it, and could one expect that they wouldn't remember the Whites if they had already started beating the Reds – their own comrades?
                        2. Were the convicted former Whites innocent lambs? They could easily have become disillusioned and begun to act against the Soviet regime.
                        3. Are there any examples in our or world history of unconditional fulfillment of promises? Politics is an inherently dirty and shameless business. Peter the Great swore an oath to forgive his son Alexei—and yet? Perjury and filicide don't prevent anyone from declaring him "great."
                        Elizabeth promised to let Anna Leopoldovna and her family go abroad - did she?
                        Catherine II promised to let Peter III go to Holstein. But then suddenly, fatal "hemorrhagic colic" struck. During the coup, it was assumed she would become regent for her son Paul. Did she hand over power to him upon his coming of age?
                        The aristocrats who had sworn allegiance to Paul I gave him an "apoplectic blow to the temple with a snuffbox."
                        There are no moral norms in politics. Like it or not, everything is determined by short-term political interests. And it doesn't matter who is in power—the Bolsheviks or the Tsars.
                      5. +1
                        20 November 2025 17: 29
                        Quote: vet
                        I agree that breaking a promise is bad.

                        Glory to you Lord!
                        Quote: vet
                        Some people gave their word, others broke it, and could one expect that they wouldn't remember the Whites when they had already started beating up the Reds—their own comrades?

                        The word was given on behalf of the Soviet government. Or do you think that the Soviet government ended in the 30s?
                        And since when does a change in the country's leadership cancel the amnesty? What legal documents state this?
                        It was you, I remember, who accused Olgovich of legal illiteracy..
                        Quote: vet
                        Were the convicted former whites innocent lambs?

                        But the victims of the "Spring" trial, unlike Kolchak, were rehabilitated without any hesitation back in the Soviet era.
                        Quote: vet
                        They could well have been disappointed.

                        Speculation.
                        You and I, as far as I understand, are male and quite we canIs this sufficient grounds to convict you or me of sexual crimes?
                        Quote: vet
                        Are there any examples in our and world history of unconditional fulfillment of promises?

                        Let me think... After ascending the throne, Mikhail Fedorovich announced a pardon for all participants in the Time of Troubles. Those who refused to surrender, like Zarutsky and Marina Mnishek, received their due, while the rest, including Tsar Vasily's brother, Ivan Shuisky, were left untouched. The only exception here was perhaps the voivode Mikhail Shein, executed in 1632, but that was a truly disastrous campaign against Smolensk.
                        So yes, not often, but it happened.
                        But even if not, you must agree that “everyone did it” is not an excuse.
                      6. VLR
                        0
                        20 November 2025 20: 01
                        Ivan, forgive me, but your example is unfortunate. The Romanov family of that time was, as they say, unmarked. Mikhail's father received the rank of metropolitan from the first impostor, the rank of patriarch from the second, and then both father and son swore allegiance to the Polish prince Vladislav. Mikhail was with the Poles in the Kremlin, which was besieged by Pozharsky's troops. Recently, a holiday was celebrated commemorating, among other things, the expulsion of the Poles and Mikhail from the Kremlin. Why was Mikhail Romanov chosen? Choosing from among the adult boyars was impossible, as ALL of them were tainted by collaboration with the Poles and the "Tushino thief." The candidacy of someone who had not participated in the betrayal of national interests (for example, Pozharsky) was unacceptable due to the fear of losing their estates and positions. Therefore, a compromise was chosen: the son of a traitor and a traitor himself (who swore allegiance to Vladislav). And everyone was happy: in 1613, all the grants of False Dmitry II were legitimized.
                        Vladislav called himself the Moscow Tsar for a long time, and Mikhail Romanov had to buy the title for a very large sum of money.
                        So there was no magnanimity or commitment to keeping the oaths and promises made: everyone was tainted with treason from head to toe, including Michael and his father. And traitors couldn't hurt other traitors. They would have easily been asked to leave the throne.
                      7. -1
                        21 November 2025 13: 15
                        Quote: VlR
                        Ivan, I'm sorry, but the example you gave is unsuccessful.

                        Why?
                        Quote: VlR
                        Mikhail's father received the rank of metropolitan from the first impostor, the rank of patriarch from the second

                        Well, first of all, it's not a "rank," but a "dignity." And secondly, even the rabid Hermogenes didn't hold Tushino captivity against him. Don't try to be holier than the patriarch.
                        Quote: VlR
                        And Mikhail was with the Poles in the Kremlin, which was besieged by Pozharsky’s troops.

                        So what? He lived there with his mother.
                        Quote: VlR
                        The candidacy of a person who has not participated in the betrayal of national interests

                        Just don't tell me fairy tales. I'm not Vet))
                        All the participants of that council, including Pozharsky, swore allegiance to at least three tsars (and many more) and betrayed all three. So, yes, Mikhail Romanov is practically a saint compared to them (mainly, of course, due to his youth).
                        Quote: VlR
                        Therefore, a compromise was chosen: the son of a traitor and a traitor himself (swore allegiance to Vladislav).

                        As far as I remember, Misha was only 14 years old in 1610. People at that age weren't supposed to swear allegiance.
                        Again, Vladislav failed to fulfill his obligations, did not come to Moscow, did not accept Orthodoxy. And yet, the same Hermogenes freed all residents of Moscow from the oath.
                        Quote: VlR
                        So there was no generosity and commitment to keeping the oaths and promises given.

                        I understand you don't like Mikhail, but he kept his promise anyway. Unlike you-know-who.
                      8. VLR
                        0
                        21 November 2025 14: 01
                        in any case, he kept his promise

                        Did he have any options for not fulfilling his promises? The Tsar only had them by virtue of his position, writing to the Zemsky Sobor:
                        "Now there are robberies and murders everywhere, all sorts of disorder, which we are being bothered about. So, take these troubles away from us and put everything in order."
                      9. 0
                        21 November 2025 14: 32
                        Quote: VlR
                        Did he have options not to fulfill his promises?

                        How much you want.
                        Quote: VlR
                        The Tsar has only rank

                        This didn't last long. First, Filaret returned from captivity and quickly restored order. And when the patriarch died, it suddenly became clear that Mikhail Feodorovich wasn't so weak-willed after all. He bent Joachim over before he could even gasp.
                        And don't forget, Mikhail Romanov left his son in a much better position than he accepted it himself.
                        -----------------
                        Returning to the topic of discussion, I wasn't so much offended by the execution of the surrendered (although that was vile) as by the fact that you blamed Wrangel for this crime.
                      10. VLR
                        -1
                        21 November 2025 18: 23
                        The fact was that all the boyars had something to be proud of, so to speak. And no one wanted to air dirty laundry. They preferred to "understand and forgive" everything—to avoid further unrest. If Mikhail had dared to show principle, he would have ended up like Fyodor Godunov.
                      11. +1
                        22 November 2025 11: 20
                        Quote: VlR
                        They chose to “understand and forgive” everything - to avoid new unrest.

                        That's exactly it - to avoid it. And they succeeded.
                  2. +6
                    17 November 2025 01: 44
                    Quote: VlR
                    Repressions are aimed precisely at those who did not surrender.

                    Frunze subjected his allies, the Makhnovists, who had routed Barbovich's cavalry and Wrangel's most combat-ready mobile units, to repression in the form of execution.
            2. 0
              23 November 2025 23: 48
              Dear Senior Seaman, citing Volkov is bad form. He's been caught repeatedly making mistakes, if not falsifying data.
        2. +10
          16 November 2025 09: 11
          She has a different last name.

          Rozaliya Samoilovna Zalkind, a normal local name. bully Then Berlin, then Samoylova.
      2. 0
        17 November 2025 01: 14
        Those who believed? Those who fought furiously to preserve the rotten system and hated the "mad boor"? You mean those who ran out of room on the ships sailing to Istanbul? Civil war is a terrible thing. Their noblemen are up to their elbows in worker-peasant blood.
  5. +13
    16 November 2025 06: 54
    Incidentally, the monument to Sozhenitsyn mentioned in the article in Vladivostok was erected with the permission and under the direction of the now-imprisoned mayor of Vladivostok, Pushkarev. Concerned citizens repeatedly sent letters to the administration demanding the monument's removal, but apparently mayors and governors sympathize with his ideas; not a single one dared touch it. Including the current Kozhemyako. This is not surprising, given Putin's idolatry of Yeltsin and the presence of the Yeltsin Center. The monument has been repeatedly doused with red paint, and a sign reading "Judas" has been placed on its chest. The location chosen was a mockery: Korabelnaya Embankment, next to the S56 Museum, the Red Pennant, and the Pacific Fleet headquarters.
  6. +8
    16 November 2025 07: 01
    Thank you, Valery!

    Antiheroes are easier to find in troubled times. Heroes are difficult. Especially upon closer inspection.
    1. +2
      17 November 2025 01: 23
      Everyone has their heroes. Who stands for what. The only ones who don't care are the hut-scratchers, who are the majority.
      1. +2
        17 November 2025 06: 44
        Here we can talk for a long time about who the heroes are.

        O. Medvedev's song, for example, comes to mind.

        The wind got into all the corners and erased the fingerprints
        From door handles and from other people's heads - who are you now?
        School bully, scourge of Urla, knight from Kamchatka,
        Someone shifting the earth's axis with a step outside the door...
  7. +12
    16 November 2025 07: 24
    Monuments to the "literary Vlasovite" and incompetent graphomaniac Solzhenitsyn still stand in Moscow, Vladivostok, and Kislovodsk, and a museum center named after him still operates in Ryazan. Two "Yeltsin Centers"—one in Yekaterinburg and one in Moscow—continue their destructive, anti-state, and Russophobic activities.
    As the saying goes, like the priest, like the parish. It's worth remembering what the "chess player" said about Solzhenitsyn. So there's nothing surprising about that.
    1. +10
      16 November 2025 07: 52
      As the saying goes, like the priest, like the parish.
      “Yes, it doesn’t depend on the local authorities.

      Vladimir Putin signed the Decree "On awarding the Order "For Merit to the Fatherland", 3rd degree, to N.D. Solzhenitsyna."

      July 29, 2024

      For a significant contribution to the development of national culture, active charitable and social activities
      1. +10
        16 November 2025 09: 41
        Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

        No questions! A trusted person has been assigned to *the farm*. bully
        1. +8
          16 November 2025 13: 35
          a trusted person was appointed
          recourse
          The State Duma proposed that Russians retire at 70 and 75 years of age.

          According to MP Svetlana Bessarab, this will allow citizens to more than double their future payments.
          belay
          1. +1
            17 November 2025 13: 36
            She, Bessarab, is long overdue to become a "deputy" of the Kashchenko psychiatric hospital. But... "United Russia" almost never gives up its own.
  8. +7
    16 November 2025 09: 30
    Ataman Semyonov's biography would be incomplete without the presence of his wife, Masha-Maria Mikhailovna Glebova, in the interior. Incidentally, she was very rich, which is what saved Semyonov's gang several times when they needed big money.
    I'd also like to note that Semyonov was quite popular among the Far Eastern, Semirechye, Irkutsk, and other Cossacks, and they elected him as their leader so as not to "disgrace themselves and be too late for history" when the glorious Siberian troops entered Moscow in 1919. They said that neither the people nor history would forgive the Far Eastern Cossacks for such a disgrace, so the Cossacks had no time to delay choosing their leader for so long. And then songs were written and sung about Semyonov, and the Japanese, praising him, said that in Semyonov, Russia had a Russian Napoleon.
    As for movies, my favorite was the two-part film about the lives of Far Eastern Cossacks, "Dauria," because Kopelyan, Mikhailov, Dmitriev, and Vera Kuznetsova starred in it—no one else will. And actors like Khabensky in "Admiral" are a dime a dozen... and no one wants to watch their performances or films with them. Even that same Wrangel. Gaft was right when he said that it's not scary to die, it's scary that Bezrukov might play you later.
    1. +6
      16 November 2025 09: 36
      Kopelyan, Mikhailov, Dmitriev, Vera Kuznetsova -

      I agree!!! And also Vitaly Solomin and Vasily Shukshin.
  9. +3
    16 November 2025 09: 36
    I wanted to comment. The internet is acting, to say the least, strangely. Is it just me?
    while reading the article.
    Thank you, Valery!
    And as I read, the theme of "The Maniac and the Victims in Historical Perspective" emerges. One maniac, thousands of victims, then tens, hundreds of thousands. And then millions. Why don't they resist? Is the super-animal maniac's fierce conviction of his right to do so stronger than the victim's? Is the victim a foregone conclusion? What a terrible civilization we have.
    This is just a sketch of a sad thought.
    1. +2
      16 November 2025 10: 19
      Ruthlessness towards oneself and towards others. Inner. Not feigned.
    2. +3
      16 November 2025 11: 57
      We have a bad civilization.

      Yes, instead of progress there is a certain tendency towards regression. bully On a planetary scale.
      This is just a sketch of a sad thought.

      This is just a sketch of the agreement. laughing
      1. +2
        16 November 2025 12: 18
        This is just a draft of the agreement.

        Why don't Africans play the violin? Learning is expensive! The Suzuki effect! It's easier to play the tom-toms. The sound of which is very close to the terrible times when white puppets seized power from the white natives. But since then, those taking power have learned a lot. Or maybe they were taught by the true takers – the puppeteers. Without pointing the finger at the World Bank and other such institutions run by the Rothschilds and their ilk. Let the Middle East, savage Indians, and Africans with IQs of the lower orders take over the taking of our honor, dignity, and lives. We are tolerant, aren't we? We are universal human beings! And not to be universal human beings – oh, how shameful!
        I am not a universal man!
        I'm Russian!
        I'm a nationalist! And I'm not ashamed!
        Where is my Republic of Rus'?!?
        When was it that the largest nation in the country, which created all its goods and scientific achievements, was obliged to serve the underdeveloped and mentally limited countless diasporas?!?
        This is how cunningly they turned the method of destroying us - from the half-savage, half-breed Semenov to the fanaticism of the diasporas.
        1. 0
          16 November 2025 16: 28
          Why don't Africans play the violin?

          Who told you such nonsense?
        2. 0
          17 November 2025 01: 32
          I can cite a whole bunch of such guys who champion racial purity from not-so-distant history. There are no pure-blooded Russians; Irina has been gone for a long time. This doesn't mean, of course, that we should allow the profiteering authorities to also tie up a village, but still. Be careful with your lamentations about the Republic of Rus; it doesn't look comme il faut. They could pin something on you; the bourgeoisie has concocted a fair number of laws on this matter.
        3. +3
          17 November 2025 13: 41
          Here I am, in a green cap. And next to me is my relative on my grandfather's side from the Altai Mountains. What kind of "nationalist" do I have to be?
          And my grandmother, she’s from the Urals, a Komi-Permyak.
          My maternal grandfather's roots are in the southern provinces of the Russian Empire. And my grandmother is from the Amur Cossacks.
          What kind of "nationalist" should I be?
  10. -4
    16 November 2025 09: 56
    The author is clearly at a loss for words, increasingly drifting towards the side of a loudmouth agitator...
    It felt like the ghosts of Kolchak and Semyonov came to him at night and started strangling him.😉
    Although I must say, Semenov's regret about Lazo is very telling. If these two had teamed up, the deeds they would have done would be unimaginable! They were both deserving of each other!
    These individuals are children of the Civil War, and there are no others! After the victory over Semyonov, a wave of terror descended on Transbaikalia that was hair-raising. And the terror wasn't directed against those who participated in the "White Terror"—on the contrary, they now found themselves among those who carried out the "Red Terror"—which, as usual, fell upon those who hindered or were capable of hindering communist rule. In villages and stanitsas, reprisals were entrusted to the partisans. Using them as punitive forces proved very convenient. They respected no laws or government regulations. Everything was carried out according to the "Don scenario" of 1919.
    I'd also like to point out the constant references to such an anti-Russian bastard as Grevs. To consider him a source of final authority is to disrespect oneself. Even Semenov, in his book "About Myself," is critical of the role of "allies" in the White movement.
    1. VLR
      +8
      16 November 2025 10: 14
      Grevs, who had great sympathy for Russia, cannot be called "anti-Russian" - having seen enough of the "art" of the Whites, he began to despise them, not the Russians.
      Civil war is always and everywhere brutal and bloody. However, note this telling fact: until the late 80s, vicious yard dogs in Siberia were called Kolchaks, not Lazos.
      1. -6
        16 November 2025 12: 21
        Sympathy? An American general has for Russia? I beg you!
        And by nicknames... You haven't read the Cheka reports that peasants named their cattle after famous people. In one village, a pregnant cow was named "Krupskaya," and a bull was named "Trotsky."
        Our people are famous for such verbal constructions.
        To spite those who so vehemently curse Kolchak, I want to point out that V.I. Lenin disagrees with you. He said:
        "...it is rather foolish to criticize Kolchak simply for the fact that he raped workers and even flogged teachers because they sympathized with the Bolsheviks. This is a vulgar defense of democracy, these are stupid accusations against Kolchak. Kolchak acts in the ways that he finds."
        Lenin knew what he was talking about, because compared to him, Kolchak was an unreasonable child.
        1. VLR
          +6
          16 November 2025 12: 34
          Lenin also said about Kaplan to Gorky: "What can you do, it's a fight. Everyone acts as best they can."
          And, as the quote suggests, he didn't deny the flogging of workers and teachers. He simply understood that in a civil war, no one was going to, or would, be held to any limits.
          As for "in one village," it's precisely in one. While in all the others:
          "If you go to them for milk, be careful, Kolchak is in their yard."
          (evil watchdog).
        2. +4
          17 November 2025 01: 52
          Quote from Songwolf
          In one of the villages, a pregnant cow was named "Krupskaya" and a bull "Trotsky"

          Cows were named after Bolsheviks, dogs were called Kolchaks. Even your example shows sympathy for the Bolsheviks, not the White Russians.
          1. VLR
            +2
            17 November 2025 09: 55
            Absolutely right; cows were traditionally held in special regard in peasant families; they were practically a member of the family, called "the wet nurse" and even taken into the hut in freezing temperatures. So for N. Krupskaya, this was almost a compliment. But yard dogs are a different matter entirely. Calling a man a "dog" is an insult, and calling a woman... "a female dog" is a terrible insult.
    2. +4
      16 November 2025 11: 50
      It's foolish to expect mercy from the Red Cossacks, whom they shot and hacked to pieces in the most brutal manner.
      Civil war is what it is. And yet, I repeat: the people of Siberia didn't care about either the Whites or the Reds. Life there was fine without them. But the Reds brought at least some order. And the Whites did whatever they wanted.
      Although the sides didn't differ much in terms of cruelty. And civilian lives weren't worth much there.
      It's clear that the strategic civil war was being resolved in European Russia. But in Siberia, the intensity was simply monstrous. The population lived along the railway. And there was simply nowhere to go.
      1. -9
        16 November 2025 12: 32
        What kind of order did the Reds bring to prosperous Siberia? Kolchak was essentially only concerned with military matters. And at least some kind of government existed under him. They even paid pensions.
        The Reds brought blood and chaos. Personally, I blame Kolchak, but the admiral is not a politician! He should not have gotten involved in politics!
        1. VLR
          +5
          16 November 2025 12: 41
          Kolchak was the one who robbed the population (even though he had an immeasurable amount of gold stolen from Kazan, and could have paid left and right). And even more plundered were "field commanders" like Semyonov and Kalmykov, whom he did nothing to stop. There was no order, only complete anarchy and lawlessness, no "rules of the game" by which one could hope to remain untouched. The people's hatred for Kolchak and his "oprichniks" was immense and sincere.
          1. -6
            16 November 2025 18: 07
            You simply don't understand the subject, relying solely on what's been brought to you from outside. Today, a wealth of materials and studies on the so-called "Kolchak era" have been published. Yekaterinburg historians have made a particularly significant contribution to the study of the Civil War in Siberia. I. F. Plotnikov's monograph, the works of Ganin, Kruchinin, and others. You just need to read and think!
            1. VLR
              +5
              16 November 2025 18: 37
              There are many "historians" who try to make black look white and vice versa. For example, Kirill Alexandrov, who extols Vlasov and his followers, was scandalously stripped of his doctorate in 2016. In 2004, my article about Vlasov, "A Man from the Mire," was published in the journal "History." He, then a PhD candidate, dared to engage in a debate with me. In my response, I simply trashed him, and the editors of several publications began thanking me in writing for every piece I sent.
              1. 0
                16 November 2025 19: 37
                I also had a debate with Alexandrov. My response was detailed in LiveJournal about seven or eight years ago. I also had a falling out with Gasparyan when he defended him. And Gasparyan is a very competent historian! Corporate politics played a role there.
                But you can't tar everyone with the same brush. It's just that historians who study the history of the Civil War are not public figures. They aren't invited to talk shows or other programs, lest they say the wrong thing.
                They'll tear you to pieces in a crowd! Like they did to me here.😆
                1. VLR
                  +3
                  16 November 2025 19: 56
                  Well, what are you saying? You are a perfectly adequate conversationalist, and no one is nagging you, and emotions when discussing such topics, unfortunately or, perhaps, on the contrary, for the better, are completely normal.
                  1. 0
                    16 November 2025 20: 08
                    Thanks! But it's interesting to watch cartoon ranks... Today I went from private to sergeant major, but I think I'll wake up as a private in the morning.😂😂😂
              2. -2
                17 November 2025 16: 43
                Quote: VlR
                There are many such "historians" who try to present black as white and vice versa.

                Some even write on Topware)
                The problem is that the so-called "Reds," as well as their antipodes, are completely devoid of objectivity. One side, no matter what outrageous behavior, is undeniably right for them, while the other is undeniably guilty.
        2. 0
          16 November 2025 15: 55
          You just need to read books on civil war.
    3. -2
      16 November 2025 12: 26
      Semenov's regret about Lazo is very indicative.

      And so on!
      Bravo, comrade! good drinks hi
      I fully support this, except for the part concerning the esteemed Valery. As an author, he should be impartial and present events simply. We are the ones judging.
  11. +3
    16 November 2025 10: 06
    How long can we continue to view the Civil War through the prism of good and evil? It was, first and foremost, a clash between Russians with different visions of Russia's future. Some believed they had the right to seize property from the bourgeoisie. Others believed they had the right to defend that property.
    When discussing Semyonov's atrocities, we must be objective and mention why Lazo was burned alive in a locomotive. Cruelty was characteristic of him, too. Having surrounded a White Guard detachment in Primorye in 1920, he promised them life, but after capturing them, he executed all the officers, which was the last straw.
    It's worth remembering that most Cossack atamans were republicans by political conviction, not monarchists. Both Semyonov and Dutov encouraged multi-party government. Initially, Semyonov even worked with the Bolsheviks. The same dictator, Kolchak, was deeply wary of the Cossacks for their love of freedom. Dutov begged Kolchak for weapons and resources, but all his requests were effectively ignored until he himself was executed.
    1. +3
      16 November 2025 10: 21
      With peaceful professions, there's a slim chance of surviving these millstones. But who can protect themselves?
    2. +6
      16 November 2025 15: 14
      The same dictator Kolchak was very wary of the Cossacks for their love of freedom. 


      Freedom from all laws for the Cossacks, but what about everyone else?
      1. +1
        16 November 2025 19: 46
        I didn't write about the Cossacks' freedom from the law. They wanted to preserve their identity and the right to their land. It's worth remembering how much land was annexed to Russia thanks to the Cossacks. I think their claims were quite justified. Incidentally, the Chinese are now operating on these lands, exporting timber and minerals. Has that made things better?
        1. +3
          16 November 2025 22: 06
          You didn't write!
          But this was implied by those who advocated for the "independence" of all Cossack lands of the collapsed Empire from any central authority!

          Here you write about the lands annexed thanks to the Cossacks.
          And did these Cossacks themselves go on campaigns to new lands?
          Did you supply yourself?
          Have you ever served the central government?
          And they didn’t want to share those lands with anyone!
          Did they themselves make good use of this land?
          1. 0
            16 November 2025 23: 40
            Apart from Krasnov, none of the Cossacks dabbled in separatism. They all stood for a united, indivisible, and Orthodox Russia.
            Yermak was supplied by the Stroganov merchants, but that's not so important. The Cossacks paid for their land in blood. Each village was required to provide a hundred fighters in the event of war.
            Every land must have an owner who will protect it and manage it properly. The Cossacks settled lands that had previously been wild and uninhabited. Therefore, they had the right to live there.
            1. +2
              17 November 2025 01: 46
              Independently, without obeying the laws of the state? And it later became socialist and industrial. And how long would they have survived outside it, with their "originality?" Wearing a forelock and trousers with stripes is not state-economic activity.
              1. 0
                17 November 2025 02: 13
                The sharovary and forelocks are the signature look of the 16th-century Zaporozhian Cossacks. The 20th-century Cossacks were professional soldiers and trained in military academies.
                One can endlessly speculate about how Russia's fate would have turned out if the Whites had won.
                1. +3
                  17 November 2025 02: 20
                  Your Excellencies, gentlemen officers, may have studied. But not all of them. A private Cossack is just a peasant, but with privileges and regular and frequent military "training." A forelock under his cap, trousers with stripes, and an exorbitant arrogance—that's all his distinctiveness. My wife is a Cossack, I know. laughing
                  1. 0
                    17 November 2025 02: 48
                    Not everyone can be an officer. Someone has to be a private. Even the forelock and stripes would have been a souvenir. But the communists even banned the word "Cossack." They dubbed everyone "kolkhozniks." They were so afraid of the Cossacks after their fierce resistance during the Civil War.
                    1. +1
                      17 November 2025 02: 54
                      Inevitable. Class struggle. Then it faded away, they re-educated, raised children, and Cossack units, in a very distinctive form, crushed the Fritzes. We also have distinctive Chukchi, and Mordvins, and Chechens and Lezgins. Or are they just not that great?
                      1. 0
                        17 November 2025 03: 03
                        During the Great Patriotic War, many concessions had to be made, including religious ones. Small ethnic groups never threatened the communists. And they were given immeasurable amounts of land at the expense of those same Cossacks. Why would they be denied their unique identity?
                      2. +1
                        17 November 2025 03: 06
                        They didn't ban their originality, what are you saying again? But they certainly didn't allow them to be the shock force of a parasite. They, the Cossacks, are still alive and well today, just as they were in the USSR.
                        As for the oppression of religion, those activists who had run wild on the wave of the proletarian revolution were quickly put back in their place. Church and state were separated, and the younger generation was raised accordingly. Those who were entrenched in faith, those who couldn't live without a staff, were not tampered with. Believe in yourself, but don't contradict the authorities.
                      3. 0
                        17 November 2025 03: 15
                        I don't dispute that the Cossacks' remaining decorations were just costumed figures. As a military and political force, they were destroyed during the civil war, along with all their distinctiveness.
                      4. 0
                        17 November 2025 11: 14
                        Like the military-police force of rotten tsarism—yes. How could it be any other way?
                      5. +1
                        18 November 2025 03: 59
                        There were other options, but for this it was necessary to think not only about one’s own farmstead, but to become a united force, and not hang around between the Whites and the Reds like Melekhov in Quiet Flows the Don.
                      6. +1
                        18 November 2025 23: 26
                        And where was this force supposed to be applied? Join the White movement, create our own Cossack republic? Futile. All so-called distinctiveness, or rather privileges, were granted by the tsarist regime. It was gone forever. The only option was to learn to live like everyone else.
                      7. 0
                        19 November 2025 08: 25
                        Why is it hopeless? Kolchak was for a united and indivisible Russia, but he recognized the Cossack autonomous republics. Makhno also wanted autonomy, but within Russia.
                        Identity is, above all, independence and the ability to be oneself without the imposition of alien ideologies. In the US, the Amish still ride horses, and no one bothers them or makes them "Soviet." This doesn't make the US a backward country.
                        Over time, Cossack units could be integrated into the army as a special branch of the military with its own traditions and history.
                      8. +1
                        19 November 2025 09: 59
                        So Kolchak didn't have a chance either. And becoming a Soviet citizen while remaining a Cossack is quite possible. Which is what ultimately happened. In the US, Soviet citizens have only been seen as diplomats, athletes, tourists, and intelligence officers. And for a long time now.
                        And how the Cossack troops joined in. They fought heroically in WWII.
                        For a working man, the idea of ​​universal equality is in no way alien. And the Cossacks are working men.
                      9. -1
                        19 November 2025 17: 25
                        The word "Soviet" is in quotation marks. It's a metaphor for a person deprived of their culture, traditions, and roots.
                        For the Cossacks, and indeed for most Russians, the Soviet model of society was alien, if only for the simple reason that only traitors and apostates could exchange the Orthodox cross for a star. Atheism as an official teaching in schools ultimately came at a high price for the Russian people.
                      10. 0
                        19 November 2025 19: 53
                        Is my wife a person deprived of her culture? Well, you know. And let's not get into religious discussions. Some people need a walking stick - a crutch. Some get by by believing in a person, and not in a Jewish uncle crucified on a cross.
                        So, you've labeled a couple million Soviet Cossacks traitors? Isn't that just presumptuous of you to draw such a conclusion?
                        You're trying to protect a relic of the tsarist regime. It's impossible to preserve this remnant of feudalism in modern society.
                      11. 0
                        19 November 2025 22: 56
                        There's no need to cling to the past. What's done is done. It's important to honor the memory of the fallen and learn from the bloody past so it never happens again. Sorry if my last comment offended anyone. The Civil War is a very sensitive topic, and judging by the comments, it still lingers in people's minds and hearts.
                        There's no need to get into religion. It's everyone's personal business. Thank you for the discussion.
                      12. +1
                        20 November 2025 03: 46
                        And thank you. You're right, the main thing is to try to avoid looking through the sights at your fellow citizens. It's disgusting, I experienced it firsthand.
            2. +2
              17 November 2025 06: 55
              Do you think that the Cossack elders and atamans managed the lands of their armies correctly, and most importantly, fairly?
              1. -1
                17 November 2025 07: 23
                From memory, I can say that a Cossack was allocated exactly as much land as he could cultivate. In his free time, the Cossack spent hard labor in the fields.
                I'm not an expert on agronomy, but I think there were smart people there, too. I think agriculture would have evolved into a farming system based on the American model. The land could always be sold to competent people, after all.
                Speaking of land issues and agriculture, the Bolsheviks failed miserably in their first five-year plan with their collectivization policy. Dispossession made no economic sense whatsoever. The profit from the loot was small, but the cream of the peasantry and the most enterprising individuals were destroyed. Essentially, it was terror against the middle class.
                1. VLR
                  +4
                  17 November 2025 08: 46
                  The point of collectivization was the mechanization and proper organization of agriculture. Agricultural productivity and efficiency were extremely low; they primarily grew wheat or rye for themselves, with a little for sale, even though it would have been more profitable in this area to plant sugar beets or grow vegetables for the needs of the nearby large city. And try to explain it. You can't assign every small farmer an agronomist, a livestock specialist, a tractor, a combine harvester, or a mechanical thresher. But on the collective farms, all of this was organized. The result: there was no famine in the USSR even during the war (except for besieged Leningrad). Even Churchill acknowledged the success of collectivization in providing the USSR with grain.
                  There were excesses, of course. But they came from below, not from above, and victorious reports were sent to Moscow. In Ukraine, for example, the famine was largely orchestrated by the Ukrainian leaders themselves, who, eager to curry favor, scooped up the grain. When Moscow learned what was really happening in Ukraine, they immediately took action—and the famine ended. Within a few years, the system was put in order, and the collective farms were operating quite efficiently. My mother recalled that under Stalin, after the war, their collective farm flourished and was very rich. Under Khrushchev, everything fell apart, the young people left (she too), the collective farm declined, and under Brezhnev, only old people and summer residents remained in her native village.
                  1. -3
                    17 November 2025 09: 18
                    You've quoted a typical piece of Soviet propaganda. Collectivization effectively reinstated serfdom. It's been proven time and again that forced labor is ineffective. A market economy was needed, but that ran counter to Marxist dogma.
                    I heard about the horrors of collectivization and dispossession from living witnesses who were afraid to talk about it even during perestroika.
                    1. VLR
                      +2
                      17 November 2025 09: 34
                      The agricultural labor of smallholders is always and everywhere ineffective. It's only good at the dacha, but only if the person enjoys digging in the garden beds—because the actual cost of lovingly grown tomatoes and cucumbers is prohibitive, and even a single pig or a dozen chickens on the farm aren't profitable. Only large-scale production is profitable. And why do you assume that collective farmers, hereditary peasants, worked under duress? They later went to the city and secured dacha plots for themselves—because they were drawn to the land, traveling 20-30 kilometers by train or bus to dig in the garden beds on their days off.
                      Mechanization is impossible on small plots—there's no room for tractors and combines; you need a large field. Smallholders can't afford to employ an agronomist, livestock specialists, or veterinarians. The more pigs or chickens a farm has, the lower its production costs. And it's possible to work in shifts with days off, something previously unimaginable. In our region, there was a collective farm that farmers from Germany would regularly visit, rolling their eyes enviously and clucking their tongues. They'd say their children didn't want to work like they did, from dawn to dusk, with no days off or summer vacations. But they'd agree to work like this collective farm. Yes, it was a progressive collective farm. But it was made so by just one person—a capable manager. There were others, similar in caliber. And then there were impoverished collective farms—under similar conditions. The key was proper management and proper organization. A striking example is the Israeli kibbutzim, which are effectively collective farms.
                      1. -2
                        18 November 2025 00: 43
                        I love gardening myself and I understand perfectly well that the cost of growing fruit or vegetables is enormous, but your own labor is always tastier and healthier.
                        But does a private farm necessarily have to be a small plot? You own the land, research the market yourself, decide what's most profitable to grow, hire the people you want to work with, and buy or rent agricultural machinery. And most importantly, competition regulates the quality and cost of production. The state provides subsidies if necessary. In the USSR, this path to agricultural development didn't exist, primarily for ideological reasons, as war had been declared on the "bloodsuckers." But this doesn't mean that farming is a dead end for agricultural development.
                    2. +3
                      17 November 2025 11: 20
                      Without a stick, work ceases to exist. This is precisely what we are witnessing today. The village has to be supplied with millions.

                      If the country had private farming instead of collective farming, the Germans would have reached the Urals and even further in the 40s.

                      Modern agroholdings are the same as collective farms and state farms. The share of individuals is minimal. Ineffective.
                      1. -1
                        18 November 2025 03: 19
                        So maybe we should start paying normally, and then we'll see.
                      2. +2
                        18 November 2025 23: 33
                        That's certainly an argument, but you see, showing your ass or eating shit online and being called a "bloher" is much more appealing to a population corrupted by liberalism than toiling away at a machine. We've already lost a couple of generations.
                  2. +1
                    17 November 2025 16: 49
                    Quote: VlR
                    The purpose of collectivization was the mechanization and proper organization of agriculture.

                    The purpose of collectivization was to find funds for industrialization.
                    1. +1
                      18 November 2025 00: 30
                      This is the official version, but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. There were other means.
                      It's interesting to note that grain prices on the world market plummeted at the time, and the USSR sold it at dumping prices, which indirectly angered American farmers. The novel "The Grapes of Wrath" is set precisely at that time. Nevertheless, the West eagerly bought it. There are many questions here, but few answers.
            3. +1
              17 November 2025 16: 46
              Quote: Glock-17
              Apart from Krasnov, none of the Cossacks indulged in separatism.

              Unfortunately, no. At the very least, the Kubans are still involved in this. Google it. Kuban Rada.
              1. +2
                18 November 2025 05: 15
                True. There's no shortage of people who wanted to "reign" over the remnants of the Russian Empire. It's hard to remember them all.
  12. -2
    16 November 2025 10: 40
    The enemies of the USSR are incorrigible; they simply have a mental tendency to justify the criminals of the Soviet period in order to justify their seizure of the USSR for criminal purposes.
    1. -2
      16 November 2025 13: 09
      Ira!
      Let's finally dot all the i's and cross all the t's. You are actively misunderstood.
      I explain.
      Who were the Bolshevik-Leninists? The very top brass. Can you imagine this Jewish iconostasis, mortally offended by the Russian people for the crimes of Tsarism against Jews and other non-Russians? Crimes committed by only a small fraction of Russians. Or will you lay out this communist iconostasis here yourself?
      Having seized power, this iconostasis embarked on a brutal EXPERIMENT to build socialism in a country that wasn't actively prepared for it. What was the mistake of the invaders? All those Cheka-OGPU-KGB and so on? It was that, wanting to smooth over the flaws of their idea, they gave us Russians universal primary and secondary education, and then higher education. As a result, a great, creative Soviet people unexpectedly emerged, which, horrified, rushed to destroy all Western backstage during the Great Patriotic War. But a part of us survived and is still alive. And you speak on our behalf. But in such a way that people don't understand you. Because honest, naive, and pure Russian communists were extremely few in number, and they didn't set the tone. And first there were the "communist experimenters," who were not completely destroyed by Stalin. Then came the children of the survivors, who found themselves in power and led the USSR to collapse, and now their grandchildren are in power – the descendants of those communists, the Cheka-OGPU and later, who drenched the country's territory in Russian blood – grandchildren who are successfully continuing the work of their grandfathers. Dig into the background of the current generation!
      And we understand this.
      So your cries about communists are misplaced! The real ones died in WWII, or soon after (within 10-20 years) from old wounds.
      1. -5
        16 November 2025 13: 23
        Sorry, too much nonsense, I didn't read it all. And let's
        Or will you put this communist iconostasis here yourself?
        Go ahead, post this "iconostasis." And provide the source of this information.
        And you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, both in the Soviet period and in your evil and cowardly anti-Soviet period, for Russia and its people there has always been and is only evil AGAINST everything Soviet, and you have never had anything good and there is nothing good for them.
        And your "foreign policy" is also AGAINST, and your "history" of our country and people is also AGAINST.
        And for all 35 years since you took the country away from the communists and their supporters, FOR yourself and what you did, nothing good has appeared.
      2. +4
        16 November 2025 15: 13
        You are actively misunderstood.
        We are not psychiatrists.
        1. +1
          16 November 2025 15: 20
          We are not psychiatrists.

          Yes......
          I read her response. This isn't a case of psychiatrists. Something more substantial. I naively assumed that all people were rational. Hmm...
          1. +1
            16 November 2025 15: 36
            that all people are reasonable

            Holy naivety! This is from another site, but how much they have in common! laughingOops, oh, oh. Don't read Nikita's response!!! bully
            1. +2
              16 November 2025 18: 04
              One of Bulychev's favorite phrases. About Kustik:

              He has no brains whatsoever. But he's madly in love with compote.
          2. +3
            16 November 2025 15: 50
            Something more substantial.
            Haloperidol.
            1. 0
              17 November 2025 07: 55
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Something more substantial.
              Haloperidol.

              good laughing good
          3. -3
            16 November 2025 16: 14
            Well, go ahead and refute me. But no, you admit you're incapable. For 40 years, Gorbachev has granted the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people "freedom of speech," but they've only had the mentality and intelligence to blatantly rage against others, against everything they've done.
            And ha, you yourselves have already done everything that you, with your hypocritical “philanthropy” and “righteous anger,” accused the Soviet communists of, including the fact that you are ready to declare dissenters crazy.
            1. -1
              16 November 2025 16: 31
              For all 40 years of the "freedom of speech" given by Gorbachev to the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, they have only enough mentality and intelligence for stupid malice against others, against everything that others have done.

              Is this what I'm trying to refute? Your already hackneyed cliches?
              that you are ready to declare dissenters crazy.
              Really? Aren't these the methods of agencies probably known to you, although how would you know? A contingent similar to yours was under the supervision of another agency.
              1. -3
                16 November 2025 16: 41
                Well, if it didn’t get it right away, then that’s exactly what I wrote about, that you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, have already done everything that you accused those from whom you took the USSR.
                Well then, refute me, explain that you, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, in the 35 years since you created your State, have developed FOR yourselves what you yourselves did and FOR your State and its power.
                1. +6
                  16 November 2025 16: 50
                  enemies of the USSR

                  Having people like you as *protectors* means there's no need to have enemies, because... You don't protect, but rather destroy everything, even the brightest, that existed in the USSR. Who are you working for, Irina? bully
                  refute me
                  Should I refute you? How can I refute you? You know, I'm not an expert in the field you're looking for. And by the way! That *refute me* of yours sounded so sweet. laughing
                  1. -2
                    16 November 2025 16: 55
                    Ha, so there's nothing to answer for you, enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people. You're all like phantoms, always there to sow malice and hatred against others, but you're never there when it comes to yourselves and what you've done.
                    And you, with all your malice against the same enemies of the USSR in other countries as you, have exposed your anti-Sovietism, proven that all of this is only a consequence of your mentality, and not something honest and objective.
                    1. 0
                      16 November 2025 17: 05
                      to sow malice

                      All the eloba on this resource comes from you. You probably haven't noticed, which is understandable, unfortunately. fool Sorry, but I'm just not interested in you. I'd rather watch hockey, OK? bully
                      1. -4
                        16 November 2025 17: 16
                        Ha, well, again the mentality of the enemies of the USSR - not FOR themselves, but AGAINST others.
                      2. +1
                        16 November 2025 18: 45
                        Ha, well, again the mentality of the enemies of the USSR - not FOR themselves, but AGAINST others.

                        My dear, you again? Well, try working on your vocabulary, because Russian is a very, very rich language, and you're so stuck, really! The same old story year after year, from comment to comment. No, I'm beginning to doubt you ever worked in the theater.
                      3. +2
                        16 November 2025 17: 34
                        All the eloba on this resource comes from you...

                        They didn't even deign to finish reading what I wrote. If I had, maybe she wouldn't have jumped around so fast. But I suspect she understood everything from my very first lines.
                        So the question is: whose side is she on? The side of the Soviet people, who bore the torment of WWII, the post-destruction reconstruction, and the subsequent abuse and vile betrayal of the USSR by that very communist elite—or is she on the side of that elite?
                        I think it's the latter. This is what it looks like.
                        But then it turns out that they're rabidly rooting for the current government as the heirs to the traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin—they were communists, after all! Communists, of all communists! They were the most important communists! It couldn't be more communist! I won't continue the communist lineup, because it's all clear.
                        So, it turns out that's who she's rooting for! The communists! And not the Soviet people. Who, it seems to me, should long ago have been recognized as victims of genocide.
                      4. +2
                        16 November 2025 18: 07
                        Are you upset, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, that your message was not read to the end?

                        You can't make a horse drink.
                        It’s also very difficult to explain something to an adult.

                        Those who want to listen, listen.
                      5. +2
                        17 November 2025 02: 36
                        Who are the communists? A recruited agent and an alcoholic derelict? They've arrived. And aren't the millions of rank-and-file communists the Soviet people? Why, for example, have you condemned me so? She's against the bourgeois parasites and private property. Only with endless slogans, which is what causes "misunderstanding" among the forum members. Even among those who share our convictions. Well, whoever is an antagonist naturally downvotes us. There is only one criterion: attitude to emergency situations; everything else, like your "Russianness," is secondary and half-hearted.
              2. +1
                17 November 2025 02: 27
                It's possible to count these supervised individuals among 250 million Soviet citizens. You could probably count them on two hands. Another myth of the profiteering "perestroika." Well, yes, the most violent and active ones were humanely recognized. Well, they couldn't be put up against the wall, after the class struggle was liquidated and the creation of the mythical "Great Soviet Union" was announced.
                "People." You and Novodvorskaya were not friends!
                1. +2
                  17 November 2025 06: 42
                  Maybe enough for two hands. Another myth of the profiteering "perestroika."

                  Comrade! It's okay to feel nostalgic about the collapse of the USSR, I agree. But mentioning mythical "enemies of the USSR" in every comment? Forgive me, but that's just crazy. It was a trouble-free country, and then in '91, bam, it fell apart. Do you even believe that? Please refrain from mentioning external factors, agents of influence, or the work of enemy intelligence agencies, as this only speaks to the state's weakness. The question is, who led the country to collapse, and where were those real COMMUNISTS, not members of the CPSU?
                  1. +2
                    17 November 2025 11: 05
                    Not problem-free. In some places, very problematic.
                    Not suddenly and bang. And Western partners undoubtedly had a hand in corrupting it. And the agent on the top stool and the brainwashing created by these perestroika-minded media system. Don't you remember? I remember very well. And the average person is weak. Getting the selfish essence out of them, day after day, by influencing them, turned out not to be so difficult. Sabotaging the TPN and pointing the finger at the culprit is also not a problem, with unlimited...
                    Admin resource. A classic Masonic charade, of which they've staged countless numbers around the world. Of course, the state weakened when its leaders wanted to monetize their power.

                    We were there, but, excuse me, the only way to change the direction was to shake things up, to throw the country on its ear, and that was precisely what was problematic under the current government. And they blatantly and deliberately slapped our hands. They had already decided everything. And it was this very absence of class struggle under socialism (read IVS) that led to the restoration. The working class became complacent in a "classless" society.
                    Everyone's talking about opportunists with party cards. What's the big deal about us communists? They kicked you out, shut up, and that's it. Should we have looked for the Mauser?
          4. +3
            17 November 2025 01: 52
            You're familiar with the concept of class struggle, right? Judging by your writings from the former scientific cadres of Marsism-Leninism?
            And answer her with the same slogan: "We, communists, have surpassed you in this and that so much and poured so many sweets for the people that they are immensely happy." Well, try it, you were taught that, our disguised agitator.
            1. +2
              17 November 2025 06: 56
              You are familiar with the concept of class struggle, aren't you?

              *And the battle continues again!* Comrade, isn't it time to calm down and leave the subject of the Great Patriotic War to the historians? What class struggle was there in the seventies and eighties?
              Well, try it, you were taught this, you are our disguised agitator.
              Forgive me, but Lyudmila Yakovlevna in no way belongs to these people; she was engaged in science. You should address this question to *Tatra*! bully
              1. +2
                17 November 2025 10: 46
                I agree, almost none. There were enthusiasts from the working class who tried to suppress the counter-revolution. But there should have been.

                What responsibility are you holding for her? I can clearly see that very image. I've seen and heard enough. And then, bam, she quickly changed her color.
                1. +2
                  17 November 2025 11: 31
                  And what are you responsible for?

                  We are friends. hi
                  1. +2
                    17 November 2025 23: 41
                    A good thing, a necessary one. Especially today, when everyone's trying to elbow their neighbor in the ribs to get to the buns first.
                    Well, your friend wasn't successful in physics, was she? I read here, with difficulty, though. It all clearly and distinctly stems from Marsism-Leninism; this empty talk. Only in reverse. But what's been planted cannot be eradicated. It keeps coming out, sorry.
                    1. 0
                      18 November 2025 06: 49
                      But what's been laid down can't be eradicated. It's coming out, sorry.

                      Sorry, comrade, but your proletarian instincts have clearly failed you. laughing I recommend contacting Irina regarding mass propaganda. And by the way, would you mind enlightening me about the class struggle in the USSR in the 1970s and 1980s? Who was on whom? bully
                      1. 0
                        18 November 2025 23: 20
                        I mean, who was the fight supposed to be against? The future exploiter, naturally. The speculator, the shopkeeper, the black marketeer, the thief-trader, the peddler, the party nomenklatura member, all mingled with the above. This is the class, the true bourgeoisie. Hidden for the time being, biding its time. And it waited until the working class was twitching its ears, relaxed.
                    2. 0
                      18 November 2025 07: 28
                      I read here, with difficulty, to be honest. From Marsism-Leninism everything is clear and distinct,

                      Natural curiosity, intelligence, and a wide range of interests. That's the whole secret. hi
                      1. 0
                        18 November 2025 23: 22
                        So what did the scientific work consist of? Enlighten me.
  13. +3
    16 November 2025 10: 55
    Son Grigory was sent to study first at a two-year school in the village of Mogoytuy, then as an external student he passed exams for six classes of a classical gymnasium.

    Further in the text there is a description where it is said that
    graduated from military school with difficulty

    How could he pass the 6th grade exams as an external student?
    A two-grade education covers reading (possibly by syllables), writing, counting to 100, and simple arithmetic. Forgive me, but I think this isn't enough to qualify for the sixth-grade grammar school exam as an external student, especially considering my mediocre abilities.
    1. +4
      16 November 2025 11: 13
      Do you remember the famous painting “Mental arithmetic”?

      If you wanted, you could learn a lot in just two classes.
    2. +1
      16 November 2025 11: 53
      Yeah, who's Semyonov compared to Wrangel? He didn't really know who he was. So he wrote whatever came to mind.
    3. +5
      16 November 2025 12: 11
      The two-grade school was most likely a Cossack school. Since the family was well-off, they could afford to hire tutors.
      As for
      Quote: Not the fighter
      graduated from military school with difficulty

      There are other data.
      In 1908 he entered and in 1911 graduated from the Orenburg Cossack Cadet School, receiving a certificate of commendation from the head of the school.
      http://www.fsb.ru/fsb/history/author/single.htm%21id%3D10318142%40fsbPublication.html
      One of the reasons for the White movement's defeat (not the most important, but still) was the feud between its leaders. Those who survived until emigration continued to fight in their memoirs. All were thieves, bandits, and mediocrities, while he (the author of the memoirs) stood tall and handsome in a white Circassian coat.
      1. +3
        16 November 2025 20: 34
        Ataman Dutov was Semyonov's mentor. The only one Semyonov listened to even slightly. Dutov often acted as a mediator between him and Kolchak, trying to reconcile them for the sake of a common cause.
        Indeed, it was precisely internal strife and the division of power that became one of the reasons for the defeat of the Whites.
      2. +4
        17 November 2025 02: 42
        The only reason for their defeat was that the people were sick and tired of these parasites. The White movement had no chance.
  14. +3
    16 November 2025 11: 53
    Clarification: Semyonov studied at the Orenburg Cossack Cadet School. There were three of them in Russia: Moscow, Novocherkassk, and Orenburg.
  15. +1
    16 November 2025 12: 07
    The trend, however ...

    Despite opposing assessments, the truth in history is usually somewhere in the middle...

    In the USSR, with rare exceptions, Belyaks were usually portrayed as evil villains and sadists, especially when depicting the exploits of their notorious counterintelligence services.
    The Reds are complete antipodes. The Chekists have "a warm heart, a cool head, clean hands..." (Dzerzhinsky).

    Years passed, and Perestroika arrived. Pravda underwent a 180-degree turn.
    Now it turns out that the Belyaki are "their honors," incredible patriots of Russia, and generally very good people. The Belyaki counterintelligence has somehow faded into the shadows; what was meant was "a warm heart, a cool head, clean hands..." But the Chekists are nothing but evil scoundrels and sadists, many of them just idiots from the proletariat. They can't sleep or eat until someone is put up against the wall.

    The apotheosis is the 1992 film "Chekist"—a good half of the film depicts executions of naked people in a basement, caught during the day and then shot at night. The Chekists are worked to the point of exhaustion, some even go crazy over it, including the head of the provincial Cheka, who has gone sexually insane...
    Powerful footage: a beautiful, naturally naked girl in a basement timidly pleads with the timid Chekists, "Please don't kill me... I want to live like this..." Revolutionary legality: a Chekist attempted to rape a naked woman in a basement before her execution. Both were caught in time and executed immediately. "Rape, even of condemned men, is not allowed..." Such an interesting film about Chekists...

    There was also a film from the same period, I don't remember the name, where before the execution, the Chekists painted numbers on the foreheads of the condemned with green paint (!!!). Basically, "Shit up and don't live!..." something like that...

    Looking at all this brought back memories of the once-famous film "Cheka Agent" (1963), starring the noble and courageous Shurik the Cheka officer (Demyanenko) and Yevstigneyev (the main villain and traitor). There were also some bad Cheka officers who went too far (Yefremov Sr.), but they were exposed in time and kicked out of the Cheka...

    I recommend watching both films about the same thing – which one is right? Maybe we should find a middle ground...

    Now the demands are different – ​​they've stopped making TV series about the "bloody KGB," and SMERSH is already being shown as a very necessary organization during the war for fighting German spies and traitors, although even here there are "certain shortcomings in the assay office"...

    The photo shows film-Chekists in their perestroika and pre-perestroika versions...
  16. -10
    16 November 2025 12: 15
    an unconquered tendency to whitewash and even glorify traitors, executioners and sadists
    And who acquitted those who, in the words of State Security Committee Zhukov, "had blood dripping from their fingers" - the General and other Commissars of the USSR State Security who were shot: Yagoda, Yezhov, Beria: Goglidze, the Kabulovs, Rappava, Avakumov, Merkulov, Ya. S. Agranov, P. Bulanov, A. Ya. Lurye, E. Prokofiev, F. I. Eikhmans, L. M. Zakovsky, the organizer of the "Spring" case I. M. Leplevsky, the head of Stalin's security K. V. Pauker, one of the organizers of the "Kirov stream" G. A. Molchanov, V. A. Balitsky, Z. B. Katsnelson, S. G. Firin, L. B. Zalin, S. M. Shpigelglas, the head of construction of the Moscow-Volga Canal M. Berman. and other executioners? Everything failed.

    Solzhenitsyn[/quote] this is all untrue:
    1. Beating with sticks, rifle butts, ramrods, whips, etc.

    2. In winter, placing prisoners in the so-called “on the rocks” in their underwear in the “attention” position for up to 3-4 hours.

    3. In the summer, placing prisoners so-called "on mosquitoes", that is, undressed in the "attention" position.

    4. Confinement in so-called "kibitkas", that is, punishment cells, which are small cold wooden annexes, in which prisoners were kept in their underwear for several hours during the winter. There are cases of death from freezing.

    5. Seating on the so-called "perches", that is, narrow benches on which prisoners were seated in a squatting position and, absolutely forbidden to move or talk, were kept in this position from early morning until late evening.

    6. Murders under the guise of escape.

    7. Rape of women and forced cohabitation of female prisoners under supervision.

    8. The so-called "seagulls", that is, a prisoner in winter in his underwear was taken to a pole near the pier, on which a wooden seagull was made, and forced to count: "seagull one, seagull two" - up to 2 thousand times, that is, in fact, to a state of complete exhaustion.

    9. They forced prisoners to pour water from one ice hole to another by hand.
    ? Fiction?

    Etc
    And this is despite the fact that in 1999 In the year the Transbaikal Military Court announced
    Court decision in St. Petersburg 2017:
    The execution of Kolchak A.V. should be classified as an extrajudicial execution, his execution – This is an extrajudicial killing committed with gross violation of procedural rules., which were in force at that time.
    . [quote] The execution of Kolchak by A.V.day without a court decision, by a resolution issued by an unauthorized body. Without a court decision, . In fact, these actions can be characterized as a reprisal.
    1. VLR
      +7
      16 November 2025 13: 36
      Olgovich, you are incorrigible, and your monarchism can already be considered a mental disorder. Incidentally, don't you understand that with your "posts" you are simply discrediting the very idea of ​​monarchism? Your naive attempts to justify Kolchak are laughable. Especially your confidence that a district court (the St. Petersburg court) can overrule the decision of the Supreme Court (its Military Collegium). This is simply utter legal illiteracy.
      Regarding Solzhenitsyn, his personality and "works", read this article, for example:
      https://topwar.ru/187201-a-i-solzhenicyn-kosnojazychnyj-grafoman-s-govorjaschej-familiej.html?ysclid=mi1ky6yysv459099589
      1. VLR
        +3
        16 November 2025 13: 49
        Incidentally, in 2017, the same Smolninsky District Court found Kolchak a war criminal, citing the ruling of the Transbaikal Military Court. Quote:
        April 25 — RIA Novosti. On Tuesday, the St. Petersburg City Court upheld the Smolninsky District Court's decision to declare the installation of a memorial plaque to Admiral Alexander Kolchak, leader of the White Movement, illegal.
        By a ruling of the Military Court of the Transbaikal Military District on January 26, 1999, Kolchak was deemed not eligible for rehabilitation, and the order to execute him issued by the Irkutsk Military Revolutionary Committee on February 6, 1920, was found justified. The military court concluded that, according to the available evidence, between 1918 and 1920, "military actions against Soviet Russia, including mass repressions against civilians, Red Army soldiers, and troops sympathizing with them, were carried out on Kolchak's orders and with his knowledge."

        The court decision you are referring to is simply a statement of facts: 1. Standard legal procedures were not carried out in relation to Kolchak, 2. The death penalty had been abolished in Soviet Russia at that time.
        That is, a violation of procedure. But
        Recognizing these facts has nothing to do with Kolchak's rehabilitation. He remains officially a war criminal who cannot be rehabilitated.
        1. +4
          17 November 2025 02: 50
          Why do you need this from him? You wouldn't argue with a cobblestone blocking his way because it's in the wrong place, would you?
      2. -4
        16 November 2025 20: 15
        Quote: VlR
        Olgovich, you are incorrigible, and yours monarchism can already be considered as психическое otclonenie.

        And what about such statements? belay lol
        Quote: VlR
        Your naive attempts to justify Kolchak are ridiculous.

        he does not need either justification or rehabilitation-there was no trial against him-there was a massacre.

        From the court decision of 17 g-
        The execution of Kolchak A.V. should be classified as an extrajudicial killing,Therefore, the administrative plaintiffs' reference to the impossibility of his rehabilitation cannot be taken into account.According to Article 4 of the Law of the Russian Federation "On the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression," individuals who have been justifiably convicted by courts, or who have been punished by decisions of extrajudicial bodies, and whose cases contain sufficient evidence to support charges of war crimes, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and crimes against justice, are not subject to rehabilitation. This rule is not applicable to the case of Kolchak A.V., since his execution was an extrajudicial execution.a, committed with gross violation of the procedural rules in force at that time
        .
        and more:

        On February 14, 2000, by the Resolution of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation in the case of verifying the constitutionality of the provisions of Parts 3, 4, 5 of Article 377 of the Criminal Procedure Code of the RSFSR, the provisions of the criminal procedure law that allowed the court of supervisory instance to consider a criminal case without familiarizing the convicted person, the acquitted person, their defense attorneys with the supervisory protest, without notifying the convicted person, the acquitted person, their defense attorneys of the time and place of the court hearing and without ensuring their right to present their position regarding the arguments of the protest to the court, were found to be inconsistent with Part 3 of Article 123 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.


        As for Solzhenitsyn
        then he was the first to describe the horrors of what your people hid and kept silent about with shame and fear
        1. +1
          17 November 2025 07: 45
          Olgovich, your legal illiteracy is clear. As for Solzhenitsyn, who "opened everyone's eyes," all the dissidents were shocked by his "discoveries"—they were absolutely certain no one would believe this nonsense. Varlam Shalamov, for example, underestimated the scale of human stupidity.
          1. -3
            17 November 2025 12: 18
            Quote: vet
            Olgovich, your legal illiteracy is clear.

            Remember the court's decision about Kolchak.
            his execution was an extrajudicial execution, committed with gross violation of procedural rules
            ,
            Quote: vet
            Regarding Solzhenitsyn, who "opened everyone's eyes"

            he was the FIRST to tell about the horrors of the Gulag:
            Shalamov:

            V. T. Shalamov to A. I. Solzhenitsyn


            Dear Alexander Isaevich!

            I didn’t sleep for two nights – I read the story, reread it, remembered...

            A story is like poetry—everything in it is perfect, everything is purposeful. Every line, every scene, every characterization is so laconic, clever, subtle, and profound that I believe Novy Mir has never published anything so coherent, so powerful since its inception. And so necessary—for without an honest resolution of these very questions, neither literature nor public life can move forward—everything that is ambiguous, circumventing, or deceptive has brought, continues to bring, and will bring only harm.

            Let me congratulate you, myself, the thousands of survivors and the hundreds of thousands of dead (if not millions), because they too live with this truly amazing story..

            Let me share my thoughts about both the story and the camps.

            The story is very good. I've heard reviews about it—after all, all of Moscow was waiting for it. Even the day before yesterday, when I picked up issue number eleven of Novy Mir and went out to Pushkin Square with it, three or four people in the space of 20 or 30 minutes asked, "Is this issue number eleven?" "Yes, eleven." "Where's the story about the camps?" "Yes, yes!" "Where did you get it? Where did you buy it?"

            I've received several letters (I told you this in Novy Mir) praising this story very highly. But only after reading it myself do I see that the praise is immeasurably understated. The point, obviously, is that this material is of such a kind that people who don't know the camps (lucky people, for the camps are a negative school—a person doesn't even have to spend an hour in a camp, or even see one for a minute) won't be able to appreciate this story in all its depth, subtlety, and fidelity. This is evident in the reviews—Simonov's, Baklanov's, and Yermilov's. But I won't write to you about the reviews.

            This story is very clever, very talented.
            1. VLR
              +2
              17 November 2025 13: 13
              My God, I'm explaining this for the second time: the Smolninsky District Court established a procedural violation. And that's it. It didn't overturn the decision of the Supreme Court's Military Collegium, and couldn't have overturned it in principle. Kolchak was executed with a "gross violation of procedural norms"—yes, no one disputes that. But that doesn't change the fact that the highest court, the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation (and its Military Collegium), recognized him as a war criminal without the right to rehabilitation. And no other court can overturn that decision.
              Shalamov and Solzhenitsyn.
              Solzhenitsyn's tales evoked two reactions in real prisoners: one half laughed, the other half lashed out in anger and curses. Varlam Shalamov, for example, fell into the latter category. He wrote:
              “I consider Solzhenitsyn a man who is not worthy of touching upon such an issue as Kolyma.”

              At first, Varlam Shalamov told Solzhenitsyn a lot about his life in the camps, but after getting to know him better, he abruptly changed his attitude and gave the following order:
              “I forbid the writer Solzhenitsyn and anyone who shares his views from accessing my archive.”
              1. -4
                17 November 2025 13: 49
                Quote: VlR
                My God, I'm explaining this for the second time: the Smolninsky District Court has established a violation of procedure.

                What, in, procedure? The Russian language is incomprehensible, it's unclear."punishment"?

                FOR THE FIFTH time: the decision of the St. Petersburg court: about Kolchak-
                his execution was an extrajudicial execution, committed with gross violation of procedural rules.

                Constitutional Court on "court" 1999: On February 4, 2000, by the Resolution of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation in the case on the verification of the constitutionality of the provisions of Parts 3, 4, and 5 of Article 377 of the Criminal Procedure Code of the RSFSR, the provisions of the criminal procedure law that allowed the court of supervisory instance to consider a criminal case without familiarizing the convicted person, the acquitted person, and their defense attorneys with the supervisory protest, without notifying the convicted person, the acquitted person, and their defense attorneys of the time and place of the court hearing and without ensuring their right to present to the court their position regarding the arguments in the protest, were recognized as not in accordance with Part 3 of Article 123 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. On February 4, 2000, by the Resolution of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation in the case on the verification of the constitutionality of the provisions of Parts 3, 4, and 5 of Article 377 of the Criminal Procedure Code of the RSFSR, provisions of the criminal procedure law that allowed the court of supervisory instance to consider a criminal case without familiarizing the convicted person, the acquitted person, their defense attorneys with the supervisory protest, without notifying the convicted person, the acquitted, their defense lawyers regarding the time and place of the court hearing and without ensuring their right to present their position regarding the arguments of the protest to the court were found to be inconsistent with Part 3 of Article 123 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation

                There was NO trial of Kolchak
                Quote: VlR
                Solzhenitsyn's tales evoked two reactions in real prisoners: one half laughed, the other half became angry and cursed.

                Natalia Ivanovna Bugayenko, a teacher imprisoned in Rostov-on-Don in 1933
                Burkovsky Boris Vasilyevich (1912-1985) - war veteran, captain of the 2nd rank, imprisoned in Butyrka prison and in Ekibastuz, head of the branch of the Naval Museum on the cruiser Aurora
                Burnatsev Mikhail - prisoner of war, escaped from a German camp, prisoner
                Butakov Avlim
                Bykov M. M. is Solzhenitsyn’s correspondent.
                Vaishnoras Juozas Tomovich (1911-1971) - professor from Vilnius, prisoner (Butyrka prison, Borovichi, SevUrallag, Steplag; 1945-1955.
                Vasiliev Vladimir Aleksandrovich (1880-?) - railway engineer, hydraulic engineer, professor at Moscow Higher Technical School, prisoner and exile
                Vasiliev Maxim Vasilievich
                Vatratskov L. V.
                Velyaminov S. V.
                Wendelstein, Yuri Germanovich (died in the early 1960s) - a chemist, from 1916 worked in the Central Research Laboratory of the Joint-Stock Company "Russkokraska" under the leadership of Nikolai Vorozhtsov (senior), imprisoned since the 1930s, in the late 1940s - early 1950s an exiled secondary school teacher in the village of Bolshoy Ului in the Krasnoyarsk Territory
                Venediktova Galina Dmitrievna (b. 1927 in Moscow) - daughter of worker D. N. Venediktov, who was shot in 1937, in an orphanage since 1938, paramedic at a children's infectious diseases clinic in Omsk
                and hundreds of thousands more thought differently
                Quote: VlR
                such an order:

                Well, yes, well, yes:
                Dear Alexander Isaevich.

                I kept wanting to wait for the seventh issue of Novy Mir to come out, to look at it with new eyes. After all, a manuscript is one thing, a typewritten text is another, a magazine text is a third, and a book is a fourth. In the reprint of "Selected Works," the text always looks different.

                My delight over "For the Good of the Cause" grew stronger. The title of the story is so precise, so comprehensive, so much better, more significant, more successful, more subtle, more important than anything else..

                The loss of Khabalygin's character is palpable; something important—Grachikov's reflection on Khabalygin—was chewed over, along with a crucial paragraph (it all remains—about communists who should be expelled from the party), but it somehow hangs in the air; it had been much better reinforced before. There aren't any major losses, in my opinion, and for the reader, it's not a loss. In any case, it was better.

                “For the good of the cause,” as I already told you, is a very subtle work, in essence, a peculiar reflection of completely different, not equivalent, events, the author’s answer to questions that are not at all exhausted by the content of the story.

                I lay there and took in the landscape with pleasure—the white, fast-flying clouds, the gathering rain, the fact that it had at least blown a little and refreshed.

                In the first reading, where Knorozov's joints are described very well, and Fyodor Mikheevich's left hand supporting the right is also good, I missed the accountant, who bit her lip and - left.

                I congratulate you with all my heart.
                1. +1
                  18 November 2025 12: 11
                  Olgovich, I, of course, understand from your example (as do many others) that monarchism is practically a pathology of the brain, but try to understand that, according to the laws of the Russian Federation:
                  The decision of the Supreme Court panel is final and not subject to further appeal.

                  These are our laws, nothing can be done. In Moldova, perhaps every local court can overturn the decisions of the Supreme Court? But Russia is a civilized country, and we have no other option.
                  In exceptional cases, an appeal against a decision of the Supreme Court may be considered Presidium of the Supreme Court of the Russian FederationAnd no one else. The Presidium of the Supreme Court did not hear Kolchak's case. And the Smolninsky District Court of St. Petersburg simply does not have the authority to overturn Supreme Court decisions. As the saying goes, "their hands are too short." It would be as if a platoon or company commander had acted contrary to the orders of the army commander, or a bank teller had started selling dollars at a price lower than the bank's management had set. The Smolninsky Court found that Kolchak was executed in violation of formal legal procedure. Just as thousands of people were executed on the orders of Kolchak and his accomplices. But the Smolninsky District Court could not and cannot overturn the Supreme Court's recognition of Kolchak as a war criminal. Just as no other lower court can overturn it. In Russia, such an act is fundamentally impossible. And the same judge, Tatyana Matusyak, who ruled on the violation of legal procedure, on January 24, 2017, ordered the removal of the memorial plaque erected in honor of Kolchak in St. Petersburg—citing a decision not even of the Supreme Court, but of the Transbaikal Military Court recognizing Kolchak as a war criminal. And thus, she confirmed that Kolchak was a war criminal. Because this woman isn't crazy and understands what she can and can't do. And neither are the crazy judges of the Petrograd City Court who upheld this decision.
                  If you are a staunch monarchist, stop damaging the ideas of monarchism with your stubbornness and obstinacy. Believe me, for other monarchists, your ignorant statements are like a knife in the heart. You discredit them all, as well as all citizens of an independent Moldova. Focus on solving the problems of your poor, impoverished, and divided country, which is under foreign control, and where political repression is currently underway against the legitimately elected head of Gagauzia. And stop telling us who to love, despise, and hate. We'll sort this out without intrusive foreigners.
                  1. -3
                    18 November 2025 12: 38
                    Quote: vet
                    Transbaikal Military Court on the recognition of Kolchak

                    There is a decision of the CONSTITUTIONAL COURT of the Russian Federation on this "court" and above, hasn't it reached you yet?

                    On February 4, 2000, by the Resolution of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation in the case of verifying the constitutionality of the provisions of Parts 3, 4, 5 of Article 377 of the Criminal Procedure Code of the RSFSR, the provisions of the criminal procedure law that allowed the court of supervisory authority consider a criminal case without familiarizing the convicted person with ito, the acquitted person, their defense lawyers with a supervisory protest, without notifying the convicted person, the acquitted person, their defense lawyers of the time and place of the court hearing and without ensuring their right to present their position to the court regarding the arguments of the protest, were found to be inconsistent with Part 3 of Article 123 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
                    That is why the St. Petersburg Court made the decision:
                    The execution of A.V. Kolchak should be classified as an extrajudicial reprisal, and therefore the administrative plaintiffs' claim that his rehabilitation is impossible cannot be taken into account. According to Article 4 of the Law of the Russian Federation "On the Rehabilitation of Victims of Political Repression," individuals who have been justifiably convicted by courts, or punished by decisions of extrajudicial bodies, are not eligible for rehabilitation if their cases contain sufficient evidence to support charges of war crimes, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and crimes against justice. This provision is inapplicable to the case of A.V. Kolchak, since his execution constituted an extrajudicial reprisal committed with gross violations of procedural rules:


                    Forget about the Soviet "courts" where WITHOUT defense and the accused you could do whatever you wanted.

                    The LAST decision of the state was execution by firing squad - extrajudicial execution, there was no trial.
                    Quote: vet
                    stop

                    Quote: vet
                    Believe me

                    Quote: vet
                    Focus

                    Quote: vet
                    that's enough

                    Get rid of your orders and don't tell me what Russia is and isn't. You lost that right when you cut its living body into 16 pieces.
                    1. +1
                      18 November 2025 12: 53
                      The same judge who ruled on the procedural violation also, in January 2017, ordered the removal of the plaque honoring Kolchak on the grounds that he was a war criminal, citing the ruling of the Trans-Baikal Military Court. But you wouldn't understand that; you don't have the ability to add 2 + 2.
                      And stop, as a citizen of a foreign and unfriendly country, pestering us with your sick fantasies about "white heroes," the bloody "martyr-tsar" Nicholas, and other such nonsense. You are a citizen of another country, mind its own business. We will care for Russia and think about its past and future, not citizens of a hostile state.
                      1. -3
                        18 November 2025 13: 40
                        Quote: vet
                        issued a ruling on the violation of procedure,

                        There was no foolishness, there was a reprisal - see the court's decision
                        Quote: vet
                        But

                        You won't understand this; you haven't been given the ability to add 2 + 2.
                        And stop
                        , : start with yourself - stop telling someone what to say, think and do - your time is long gone, forget it.

                        It is not for you to decide what is Russia and what is not, Kutuzov/Suvorov/Rumyantsev/Potemkin, you should quickly...
  17. +7
    16 November 2025 16: 07
    Judging by the comments, our civil war is not over yet.
    1. -5
      16 November 2025 16: 21
      It's not just the Civil War. The enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, due to, to put it mildly, a negative mentality, have proven that they hate everything and everyone—the history of our country and people, Soviet communists and their supporters, each other, others like them, enemies of the USSR who seized the remaining republics of the USSR, and the enemies of the USSR in the world.
      And, if to this day there is a huge number of supporters of the USSR, Lenin, Stalin, Brezhnev, then among the enemies of the USSR there are no supporters of the State they created; they have already betrayed two of their "leaders", starting with the leader of their counter-revolution, Gorbachev, and for their third "leader" they had to hire paid bots, so that at least they would pose as his supporters on the Internet.
    2. +3
      16 November 2025 17: 39
      Does this surprise you?

      There is a periodic debate here about whether this will be relevant for the next generation.
    3. +4
      16 November 2025 19: 26
      Judging by the comments, our civil war is not over yet.

      And you thought so! Even after two days of laying tracks, after a bottle of cognac, you suddenly discover that your comrade, with whom you haven't eaten or slept for 24 hours, suddenly turns out to be a class enemy who declares he wouldn't mind hitting you over the head with a candelabra!
    4. +3
      17 November 2025 07: 47
      Judging by the comments, our civil war is not over yet.

      There is a reason: Putin's anti-Soviet and anti-communist course, which is causing a still subtle but increasingly obvious irritation in society.
  18. 0
    16 November 2025 17: 44
    Civil war is war. It's impossible to even count how many people the Bolsheviks executed. There's no point in comparing the Whites and the Reds; we need to find reconciliation.
  19. +3
    16 November 2025 18: 06
    Valery, thank you for the information on this topic.
    I was afraid that it was one of the Samsonovs, but this is more serious.
    Comrades, if we put aside our bias completely,
    Semyonov and Ungern are colorful personalities.
    Both were experts in the East. They knew the language and culture, which suggests that their teachers were passionate about their subject.
  20. -1
    16 November 2025 19: 19
    The first episode of brutality occurred during this time: in the first half of December, the Bolshevik Arkus was executed, his stomach ripped open, and his body was then burned after being doused with kerosene. Soon, such executions would be carried out on living people. Two days after Arkus's execution, an entire train car filled with the mutilated bodies of supporters of the new government was sent to Chita.

    The article is largely propaganda, with great pathos, as if it was written a hundred years ago, right on an armored car.
    Semyonov executed the Harbin Soviet Commissar, Z.M. Arkus, along with several pro-Bolshevik soldiers, and placed the remaining Bolsheviks in a train car, which he ordered sealed. After sending them home, he declared that "they should be proud to enter Russia in a sealed train car, like their leader, Lenin." At Sharasun Station, all the Bolshevik prisoners were released, and on December 21, 1917, they arrived in Chita on a passenger train, where they held a press conference.
    And why talk about how the author doesn’t like Kolchak and can’t sleep because of it, if the article is about Semyonov?
    1. +2
      16 November 2025 20: 47
      Digression.

      Probably, if I were sitting in a circle of colleagues, the conversation would jump from stone to stone.

      Although not everyone may like this.
    2. +1
      17 November 2025 02: 34
      No, well, that certainly changes everything! He only shot a few, and burned only one, and already dead at that! So what if Semyonov always fought the Reds wearing white gloves? Kolchak, Semyonov, and company tainted all their service to the country during the Civil War, and trying to wash their names clean is possible, but unlikely. Note that the people don't favor the Reds involved in atrocities either, so time is the best judge of those who played a role in the history of the Civil War, no matter which camp they belonged to—white, red, green, or multicolored, changing colors according to selfish needs.
      1. -4
        17 November 2025 20: 54
        Of course, there's no problem! Why not just write that Semyonov shot the Bolsheviks, then roasted and ate them! He was a bloody leader after all (which I don't doubt). So why are people like you so outraged by those who write about 100 million victims of the Gulag? They're guided by your own principles—the main thing is to lie, and if anyone checks it, you can always purse your lips and say, "What a truth-seeker!" There were no victims in the Gulag!
        I don't accuse the author of lying; he's simply using old propaganda clichés. Take, for example, the connection between Semyonov and Kolchak. Anyone who has studied the Civil War in the Far East even slightly knows that the local atamans disdained Kolchak and were Japanese puppets. Kolchak's own followers considered them bandits who were damaging the reputation of the White movement. For example, there's the famous case of Kalmykov's right-hand man arresting, raping, and robbing, and then ordering the execution of Kolchak's colonel's wife.
  21. +6
    16 November 2025 22: 23
    The set is called "Commanders of the White Guard" and consists of four equestrian figures depicting real participants in the White Movement in Russia - Vladimir Kappel, Mikhail Drozdovsky, Grigory Semenov and Andrei Shkuro.
    1. +3
      17 November 2025 07: 48
      Wow, were these the ones we sold?
      1. 0
        21 November 2025 14: 26
        For sale.
        Ka and the "Red Commanders" set from engineer Basevich."
        The set includes four equestrian figures of Red Army commanders: Army Commander S.M. Budyonny, Division Commander V.I. Chapaev, Division Commander N.A. Shchors, and Brigade Commander G.I. Kotovsky.
    2. +3
      17 November 2025 10: 06
      depicting real participants of the White Movement in Russia -

      The First Cavalry also has a place to be! bully
      1. +2
        21 November 2025 14: 27
        The "Red Commanders" set from engineer Basevich
        Army Commander S. M. Budyonny, Division Commander V. I. Chapaev, Division Commander N. A. Shchors and Brigade Commander G. I. Kotovsky.
  22. -1
    17 November 2025 04: 08
    Author, read the State Archive of the Russian Federation

    Extraordinary Commission of Inquiry to Investigate the Actions of Colonel Semenov and His Subordinates. Chita. 1919
    F. R-178. 1 op.
    After all, Georgy Efremovich Katanaev was a very old and decent man, he could not have missed such a villainy!!!
    GAOO
    G.E.Katanaev Foundation
    f.366, op.1, 488 d.
    And even this...GARF - TRANS-BAIKAL REGIONAL PRISON INSPECTORATE (RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT). Chita. 1918–1920
    F. R-3838, 1 op.
    And nothing is mentioned about any Adrianovka or 3000 people from among the “enemies of the ataman”, innocently killed in the valleys and hills of Dauria.

    Silence in the memoirs. Void in the documents. A complete absence of eyewitnesses.
    And only the dead with scythes stand along the Manchurian line... Horror.
    You might as well buy a ticket to Chita and become a local historian yourself.
  23. +2
    17 November 2025 07: 50
    Quote: ArchiPhil
    All the eloba on this resource comes from you.

    And from that stubborn anti-Soviet monarchist Olgovich. They need to be given a separate thread, let them squabble among themselves (well, maybe someone else will join in for fun), and banned from accessing the others.
    1. 0
      17 November 2025 10: 10
      And from the stubborn anti-Soviet monarchist Olgovich.

      At least he doesn’t classify people he doesn’t know as *enemies of the autocracy*! laughing Moreover, in every comment. hi
      1. +2
        18 November 2025 12: 14
        Olgovich is even more intrusive than Tatra. But at least she's a Russian citizen. This one, however, comes from abroad, from his impoverished Moldova, which has practically lost its sovereignty, to lecture.
        1. +1
          18 November 2025 12: 22
          But at least she is a citizen of Russia.

          God be their judge! But I noticed something strange, notice that they never argue with each other! Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't feel like digging through the comments, really. hi
  24. +3
    17 November 2025 14: 57
    It all starts with Putin...and his entourage...They won't exist, and the disappearance of monuments to these scum will be measured in days.
    1. 0
      18 November 2025 06: 59
      environment...There won't be any of them

      This will last a long time, believe me. *It's just a pity to live in this wonderful time. Neither you nor I will have to... *A certain N.A. Nekrasov hi
  25. 0
    19 November 2025 15: 07
    The author begins by listing one of its participants, Ataman Semenov, among the "anti-heroes of the Civil War." The very term coined by the author implies that there are "heroes" besides anti-heroes. When reading death certificates written during the Civil War, one often encounters the cause of death: "died in civil war." Yes, it was indeed a civil war, fueled by the actions of the global underworld. According to the Old Testament, the first murder committed on Earth was Cain's murder of Abel. Boasting of victory in civil strife is tantamount to praising Cain, who murdered his brother. As for G. M. Semenov, he fought in World War I and became the first recipient of the St. George Cross of the Transbaikal Cossack Host. Since 1917, the victorious side has created numerous myths that have long concealed the true history of the Great War. One such myth is the popularization of "heroes" and the vilification of "anti-heroes" of the civil war. One of the reasons for the glorification of the civil war was the desire to conceal the unsightly betrayal of the Russian state and its people by those who seized power in 1917. I am against erecting monuments and commemorating the actions associated with the civil war.
    January 24 is a mournful date commemorated by Cossacks—the day the so-called Decree on Decossackization, signed by Yakov Sverdlov, was published. It should be called the "Decree on the Genocide of the Cossack Population." The decree officially formulated what had been carried out by the victors (Cain's side) since 1917. According to modern research, the Transbaikal villages lost at least 15% of their population to China alone. There are no complete statistics on how many perished during the civil war or were repressed in the 20s and 30s. Entire families and clans vanished, as did entire villages that had supported Semenov. Unlike some others, G.M. Semenov understood the situation as early as 1917. He was able to organize resistance to the impending genocide. Resistance to the New World Order, the first phase of which began in 1917, helped transform communist power and saved Russia's future. The most active adherents of the New World Order were wiped out during the Civil War; the remainder were purged by Stalin in the 30s, who continued the White Cause in this regard. Therefore, Ataman Semyonov deserves our memory in any case—as a hero of the Great War and as a tragic figure of civil strife. If the names of Yakov Sverdlov and his accomplices are removed from the names of Russian cities, there will be no need to erect monuments to Admiral Kolchak and Ataman Semyonov. Memorials to the fallen can and should be erected at the site of their deaths, as this is part of the funerary cult. Memorials can be erected to people who contributed to the history of science and culture, regardless of whether they participated in the Civil War or not. But one cannot glorify the civil war; one cannot name streets and cities after the participants in the civil strife.
  26. -1
    19 November 2025 16: 29
    To reduce the fruitless debates between supporters of the Red and White ideas, it is necessary to legislate against naming cities and streets after participants in the Civil War, and to remove existing names from use. Better yet, return to the ancient custom of not naming streets after people. This bad custom originates from ancient Rome and has no connection to Russian traditions.
    1. 0
      20 November 2025 17: 36
      Quote: Andre-2128
      and remove existing names from use.

      It might be good, but who will pay for the banquet?
      I mean, who's going to pay for replacing the plates, registration documents, and a whole bunch of other documents?
      Quote: Andre-2128
      But it's best to return to the ancient custom of not naming streets after people. This bad custom comes from ancient Rome and has nothing to do with Russian traditions.

      Oh really?)))
      Who do you think Yaroslavl is named after? Or Yuryev? Vladimir? Or even Kyiv, after all!
      1. -1
        21 November 2025 14: 28
        Exceptions prove the rule. The cities of Yaroslavl, Yuryev, and Vladimir were founded by princes during the colonization of the Zalessk land. Without their free will, these cities would not have been built. Other cities in Rus', which arose as centers of tribal associations, were not renamed. These names are natural. Regarding passports with registration and other documents: new passports are issued every day to a new generation—the names in them should be changed. Nothing needs to be changed in the old ones. In 30-50 years, everything will be finished. Notre Dame Cathedral was built over 182 years. We must live for eternity, not for today, and there should be less bureaucracy. And caring citizens will replace street signs at their own expense. We have many selfless people who live by the spirit, not by material possessions. The Chinese say: a journey of a thousand li (li is 300-360 steps) begins with a single step. The main thing is to begin to atone for the sins of our ancestors, take the best from them and not repeat their mistakes.
        1. 0
          21 November 2025 14: 36
          Quote: Andre-2128
          Exceptions prove the rule.

          Aren't there too many exceptions?))
          Quote: Andre-2128
          The city of Yaroslavl, YurievVladimir was founded by princes during colonization Zalessky land.

          Yuryev (Tartu) is actually in the Baltics))
          Quote: Andre-2128
          There is no need to change anything in the old ones.

          Do you believe yourself? We already went through this when the new passports were introduced.
          1. -1
            21 November 2025 16: 44
            "Yuryev (Tartu) is actually in the Baltics." I never said that Yuryev, founded by Yaroslav the Wise, isn't in the Baltics. As for exceptions, this means "a selection from the set." In Russian, this exception to the rule "zhi-shi" (literally, "zhi-shi") starts with the letter "i" (literally, "i") can contain at least seven exceptions. You found three exceptions in city names—that's not many. In the 11th century, people derived the name Kyiv from Prince Kyi, whose historicity hasn't been confirmed. In fact, the origin of the name isn't entirely clear. Perhaps he was the prince, or perhaps it was a ferry terminal.
            1. -1
              21 November 2025 16: 47
              "Do you believe yourself? We already went through this when the new passports were introduced." Our bureaucracy can ruin any good deed. That's why I'm against any bureaucratic interference in such delicate matters.
            2. 0
              22 November 2025 11: 48
              Quote: Andre-2128
              You found 3 exceptions in city names - that's not many.

              I wrote you three, but there are significantly more. There are at least two Vladimirs: Zaleski and Volynsky. Yuryev was not only in the Baltics but also near Kiev. Plus, there's Yuryevets in today's Ivanovo Oblast. There were also two Vasilyovs—in honor of the same "Vladimir Krasnoe Solnyshko" (Lord of the Red Sun), but named after his baptismal name. Izyaslavl, named after the son of Vladimir and Rogneda. Svyatoslavl (albeit lost, but mentioned in documents). Vsevolozh—in honor of Vladimir's son Vsevolod. Svyatopolk—in honor of Svyatopolk Izyaslavovich. Borisov-Glebov (in the Ryazan region)—in honor of both of Vladimir's sons. Three Rostislavls (only one remains—now Roslavl), and finally, Lvov, in honor of Lev Danilovich Galitsky.
              In general, there are quite enough "exceptions"))