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Appeal by US President Barack Obama on the Armenian Genocide 1915

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Appeal by US President Barack Obama on the Armenian Genocide 1915
Every year on April 10, the President of the United States of America makes a traditional appeal to the Armenian people about the Armenian Genocide at the beginning of the last century. So 24 April 24, the current US President Barack Obama in his speech said:


“Today we celebrate“ Metz Yeghern ”(which means“ great massacre ”in Armenian) and honor the memory of those who died in one of the worst atrocities of the XX century. 98 years ago, in the last days of the Ottoman Empire, a half million Armenians were killed or sent to death "


President Obama, in his address, stressed that by recognizing the painful elements of his past, nations are becoming stronger and create the basis for a more and more tolerant future. “We value this lesson in the United States as we strive to come to terms with one of the darkest moments of our own stories, ”Said President Obama.

He also noted the indomitable spirit and great strength of the Armenian people "in the face of great misfortune and suffering." As we see, Barack Obama did not utter the word “genocide” again, despite his election promises to recognize the Armenian Genocide.

Recall that back in 2008, being a senator, Barack Obama stated that the Armenian Genocide is a recognized fact, confirmed by documents and a huge amount of historical evidence.

Note that despite the fact that Obama again did not utter the word "genocide", the Turkish Foreign Ministry again criticized the appeal of Barack Obama and called his position "one-sided, unfair and biased."

The Turkish Foreign Ministry recalled the harm that such a one-sided interpretation of “controversial historical facts” could cause, and expressed the hope that “Washington, as an important partner of Turkey, will not continue to deepen the problem, but instead will be constructive to achieve a solution, and will encourage Armenian side, avoiding objective scientific research of this issue, to be more realistic and flexible. "

Recall that back in 1915, in the joint Declaration of the allied countries (Great Britain, France and the Russian Empire), the killing of Armenians was recognized as the first crime against humanity.

The United States passed resolutions on mass killings of Armenians (1916,1919,1920) three times. In 1940, the creator of the term genocide, Raphael Lemkin, tried to gain recognition of the Armenian Genocide of the UN.

The Armenian Genocide was recognized by the Council of Europe, the European Parliament, the UN Sub-Commission on the Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities, the World Council of Churches, etc.

The Armenian Genocide was recognized and condemned by: Armenia, Argentina, Belgium, the Vatican, Venezuela, Germany, Greece, Italy, Canada, Cyprus, Lebanon, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Poland, Russia, Slovakia, Uruguay, France, Chile, Switzerland, the National Council, Sweden, and also the regions and provinces of Australia (New South Wales, South Australia), Brazil (Sao Paulo, Ceará, Paraná), Great Britain (Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland), Spain (Basque Country, Catalonia), the Parliaments of the Balearic Islands, Canada, USA (State 43), Ukraine (Autonomous Republic of Crimea).

Various reputable community organizations. In 2001, the joint Turkish-Armenian reconciliation commission appealed to the International Center for Transitional Justice to independently determine whether the events of 1915 were a genocide.

At the beginning of 2003, the ICTJ presented the conclusion that the events of 1915, fully fall under all the definitions of genocide and the use of this term is justified.
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  1. Canep
    Canep April 28 2013 08: 26
    17
    It is time for the Turks to recognize what happened almost 100 years ago. Maybe a century will be recognition.
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 April 28 2013 08: 43
      33
      Quote: Canep
      It is time for the Turks to recognize what happened almost 100 years ago. Maybe a century will be recognition.

      And what will it give? Raise the dead from the graves? It would be better if the mattresses looked at themselves from the side. Is it just that they are not creating genocide for example in Iraq? And there are dozens of such examples around the world. Here's what you need to pay attention to.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 28 2013 09: 27
        13
        Quote: Allex28
        It would be better if the mattresses looked at themselves from the side.

        So Obama is so streamlined and speaks. And then express yourself .... and then they will bring claims to you! laughing Again, Turkey ... it is there close to the former Union. The Turks will be offended and will go over to the one who does not "offend them so" belay And it is not clear to the US President what 100 was there years ago. It’s like with Katyn. They said that the Germans were to blame, then immediately everyone started talking - the Russians are to blame, now the Germans are again. Not with his education and development to understand! lol
        1. Kaa
          Kaa April 28 2013 09: 51
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          Quote: Egoza
          The Turks will be offended and will go over to the one who does not "offend them so"
          Azerbaijan will be dragged along with it, relations with neighbors are not easy there, and not only with Armenians: "We warn the leaders of Baku that if they do not abandon their erroneous actions, then we will reconsider in the parliament two shameful and imposed agreements on us - Gulistan and Turkmenchay," said Nadir Gazipur, a deputy from the Urmia province, ...
          He warned the Azerbaijani government against actions against Tehran, otherwise the Iranian parliament will pass a bill requiring the government to review the Turkmenchay agreement, APA reports citing the Fars News Agency.
          According to the Iranian deputy, if a referendum is held among Azerbaijani residents of cities that were separated from Iran in accordance with the terms of the Gulistan and Turkmenchay agreements, then the residents of these places will vote to rejoin Iran.
          Gulistan Peace Treaty (1813) completed the Russian-Persian war of 1804-1813. The treaty formalized the inclusion of Dagestan, Georgia, Imereti, Guria, Mingrelia, Abkhazia, as well as the khanates of Karabakh, Ganja, Sheki, Shirvan, Derbent, Cuban, Baku and Talyshinsky in Russia. The treaty granted Russia the exclusive right to have a navy in the Caspian. Russian merchants gained free trade rights in Iran, and Iranian ones in Russia.
          Turkmanchay Treaty (Turkmanchay Treatise) 1828 - A peace treaty between Russia and Persia (Iran), which completed the Russian-Persian war of 1826-1828. Signed on February 10 (February 22) in the village of Turkmanchay (near Tabriz). The agreement confirmed territorial acquisitions of Russia under the Gulistan Peace Treaty of 1813. Under the Turkmanchay Treaty, the Erivan and Nakhichevan Khanates (Eastern Armenia) also departed for Russia. Also, Persia pledged not to impede the resettlement of Armenians in Russian borders. A contribution of 20 million rubles was imposed on Persia. in silver. The exclusive right of Russia to keep a navy on the Caspian Sea was confirmed. The agreement was of great importance for the Armenians living in Persia. http://regnum.ru/news/fd-abroad/1647174.html#ixzz2QiowANXY
          So the abamka is twisted to please everyone, but he didn’t fall into a fairy tale, it doesn’t happenEtc.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 April 28 2013 12: 32
            +3
            Wise Kaa, the countries that signed the notorious Turkmenchay agreement have long been ordered to live a long time! There is neither the Russian Empire, nor the Shahenshah Iran. I assure you, if tomorrow 9 million Northern Azerbaijanis want to join Iran (or rather, 30 million South Azerbaijan), then the Iranian leadership will back up We know the value of the words and actions of the Iranian leadership, which verbally scold the "infidels" but in fact literally save Armenia from economic collapse. For there is nothing worse for them than a prosperous Azerbaijan. Well, this is an example for the southerners, whose rights violated everywhere.
            1. Kaa
              Kaa April 28 2013 17: 11
              +4
              Quote: xetai9977
              For there is nothing worse for them than prosperous Azerbaijan does not exist
              And I understand them well. Azerbaijan discusses the issue of providing airfields to Israel for raids on Iran, closely cooperates with the Naglosaks in the development of the shelf, your parliamentary deputy aloud proposes to join part of Iran’s territory with an allegedly Azerbaijani population - would you like such a neighbor? I wouldn’t turn my back on this in a bathhouse ... stop
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 April 28 2013 19: 13
                +5
                Azerbaijan will never agree to provide airfields to Israel. And all the talk about this is from the evil one. As for the shelf, you yourself cooperate with BP and other "Saxons", then why is it impermissible for us?
                1. Petrospek
                  Petrospek April 29 2013 15: 00
                  0
                  Is Azerbaijan supporting the diaspora living in Iran?

                  And as regards joining Iran, for some reason it seems to me that Iran will not refuse to annex Azerbaijan to itself, it’s a too tidy braid, and the oil will go directly to Europe, so in vain you say that Iran does not need it.
                  1. xetai9977
                    xetai9977 April 29 2013 18: 52
                    +3
                    What state would want to host 9 million hostile new "citizens? But we are already moving into the realm of fantasy. It is unlikely that there will be 50 people in Azerbaijan who want to live as part of Iran."
            2. ed65b
              ed65b April 29 2013 16: 39
              -2
              Are you glad? Since there are no powers, this does not mean that it is necessary to revise the treaties. And then we will take back all of Turkestan, leave the Bukhara Khanate. That will be fun.
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 April 29 2013 18: 57
                +4
                You do not understand the essence of what was said, dear. NO HOLD, AND MEANS SOMEONE SUSPECTING THE INDEPENDENCE OF AZERBAIJAN.
      2. Dilshat
        Dilshat April 29 2013 00: 16
        0
        The raven will not peck out the crow's eye!
      3. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 April 29 2013 11: 55
        0
        Quote: Allex28
        Is it not what they are doing for example in Iraq that is genocide? And there are dozens of such examples around the world. Here's what you need to pay attention to.

        You can’t expect anything new from mattresses. As usual, a policy of double standards.
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 April 28 2013 09: 09
      -4
      This is just a curtsey towards the Armenian lobby (which financially support his party) and one should not exaggerate its importance. The Turks have long been calling on the Armenians to create a joint commission, but the Armenians are refusing. They are not interested in the TRUTH, but the myth with the help of which one can claim compensation. .Read the Armenian sites, there through the word "payments" "compensation". AND THE TRUTH IS THAT IS THAT during World War I, Armenians, citizens of Turkey, created armed detachments in the rear, and revolted, killing old men, women and children (men were at the front). In Turkey, mass graves are still found on the site of burned down Turkish villages. Which state will tolerate such treachery? And why don't they talk about the hundreds of thousands of killed Turkish civilians? And in general, where did the figure 1 million come from? In the 1,5s, they wrote about 20 thousand. In the 300s, it was already about 40 thousand. And after the war, the figure jumped to 600 million Miracles ..
      1. aleshka
        aleshka April 28 2013 09: 17
        17
        that is, the Armenians are to blame !! one and a half million partisans !!! It’s not funny to myself!
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 April 28 2013 09: 20
          0
          Dear, you read inattentively.
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 April 28 2013 09: 24
          -4
          Dear, you read inattentively. The numbers are clearly taken from the ceiling. And note, there are so many minuses, and not a single argument !!!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 10: 02
            10
            Quote: xetai9977
            . The numbers are clearly taken from the ceiling. And note, there are so many minuses, and not a single argument !!!

            And on the basis of figures taken from the ceiling, half of the world recognized the genocide? yes do not tell. There is a part of politics in Obama’s words and there is an Armenian lobby. And what about other countries that recognized Russia as well?
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 28 2013 10: 16
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And on the basis of figures taken from the ceiling, half of the world recognized the genocide?

              how many now Armenians are permissible in the world?

              "Population (2004 est.): 3,991,360" growth rate 0.3%
              It is a well-known fact that in order for the population to double, a minimum of 20 years is needed.

              And here is how this business is going for the Armenians (according to Armenian sources)
              table from http://www.iatp.am/e...demog-ax.htm#1t

              Years The number of population
              (in thousands)
              1828 97
              1831 162
              1873 496
              1886 636
              1897 798
              1913 1000
              1914 1014
              1919 962
              1920 720
              1926 881
              1939 1282
              1940 1320
              1950 1347
              1959 1763
              1966 2239
              1970 2492
              1971 2545
              1972 2605
              1973 2667
              1974 2729
              1975 2785
              1976 2834
              1977 2893
              1978 2950
              1979 3031
              1980 3080
              1981 3119
              1982 3169
              1983 3218
              1984 3263
              1985 3320
              1986 3362
              1987 3412
              1988 3461
              1989 3287
              1990 3515
              1991 3575
              1992 3667
              1993 3742
              1994 3750
              1995 3763
              1996 3782
              1997 3793,2
              1998 3798
              1999 3803.4

              and suddenly the loss of one million IMMEDIATELY - who is to blame? We?

              2004 2.991 that's where the genocide



              Every year the population of people of Armenian nationality grows by approximately 100.000 according to table s 1828 po 1939, a potmo tolko na 20-40.000.
              This is cool.
              There are no problems, but ... if you look at the table, it turns out that Armenia lost 520.000 people (and not 1.5 mil, and even then not in 1915, but for the period from 1914 when there was no genocide, right? Until 1919)

              and all of a sudden nature attacks the Armenians and the increase is only 20-40.000 per year ceiling. The loss of population here does not only INCLUDE "the so-called genocide" but forced migration, death from disease, disasters, and so on.

              now take a look here:
              "Only 66,3% of the population of Armenia until 1921 was made up of Armenians."

              Simple mathematics and 344.300 people of Armenian nationality were lost from 1914 to 1919. If you divide it by 5 years, you get somewhere around 50-65.000 annually.

              I am just calculating and want to "help" you with the numbers.
              I have a suspicion that your "historians" and "woe patriots" have just begun sprinkling one zero "15" every 20.000-20 years from 25-0 thousand.
              To assure you, not by me, but by you that the genocide occurred ONLY 1915.
              Truth? then who destroyed your people from 1916 to 1919? Azerbaijanis too?

              and who is to blame for the fact that now in Armenia the ceiling according to Census, 2004, about 1.850.000 lives?
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And what about other countries that recognized Russia as well?

              Hi Sanya!
              Show the official document with the recognition by Russia * of the * genocide * of Armenians and the statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this matter !!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 10: 27
                +8
                Quote: Yarbay
                Show the official document with the recognition by Russia * of the * genocide * of Armenians and the statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this matter !!

                Hi Alibek! as far as I remember, the genocide was recognized even somewhere in the early 90s, and it will take a long time to dig in order to get a document. But nevertheless, if you are hinting that there was no such recognition, then this was repeatedly confirmed by the politicians themselves and never refuted this info. Everything else is controversy hi With regard to the calculations, you and I will not calculate anything now, any account will be incorrect. A lot of time has passed
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay April 28 2013 10: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  as far as I remember, the genocide was recognized even somewhere in the early 90s, and it will take a long time to dig in order to get a document.

                  Sanya there is no such document!))
                  Yes, why take it, just compare the facts and turn on the logic !!
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 10: 49
                    +3
                    Quote: Yarbay

                    Sanya there is no such document!))

                    Oh, and that's cool !!!
                    Okay, I’ll rummage around.
                  2. wax
                    wax April 28 2013 12: 06
                    +3
                    just compare the facts and turn on the logic !!

                    It depends on the logic. Example: A cat entered a door that opened, then lightning flashed and a terrible thunder sounded. Illiteracy logic: lightning flashed because a cat entered the room.

                    http://www.genocide.ru/
                    1. wax
                      wax April 28 2013 13: 06
                      0
                      Offended (zamususuyuschego) for an example from logic, I refer to the textbooks of logic. In one of them you can find just such an example, only I reduced it. So this is not even my example, but I can notice that a lot of comments with such a flaw as the presence of logic do not sin.
                  3. [comment-show]
                    Anti
                    Anti April 28 2013 16: 59
                    +7
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Sanya there is no such document!))
                    Yes, why take it, just compare the facts and turn on the logic !!


                    Resolution of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of 14.04.1995 No. 694-I of the State Duma

                    RESOLUTION OF THE STATE DUMA

                    OF THE FEDERAL MEETING OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

                    About the statement of the State Duma of the Federal
                    Of the Meeting of the Russian Federation "On Conviction
                    the genocide of the Armenian people in 1915-1922 "


                    State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian
                    Federations of the following countries:
                    Accept the statement of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly
                    Of the Russian Federation "On the Condemnation of the Armenian Genocide in
                    1915-1922 ".

                    Chairman of the State Duma
                    Federal Assembly
                    Russian Federation I.P. Rybkin

                    Moscow
                    14 April 1995 city
                    N 694-I DG
                    _________________


                    STATEMENT

                    STATE DUMA
                    OF THE FEDERAL MEETING OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

                    Condemnation of the Armenian Genocide in 1915-1922

                    State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian
                    Federation
                    based on irrefutable historical facts,
                    evidence of the extermination of Armenians in Western
                    Armenia in the years 1915-1922,
                    following the spirit and letter adopted by the United Nations
                    Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
                    him (December 9, 1948) and the Convention on the Non-Applicability of Term
                    statutes of war crimes and crimes against
                    of humanity (November 26, 1968),
                    striving to revive the humanistic traditions of the Russian
                    state
                    Recalling that at the initiative of Russia the great European
                    Powers in 1915 qualified the actions of the Turkish Empire in
                    the attitude of the Armenian people as a "crime against humanity",
                    noting that the physical destruction of fraternal Armenian
                    people in his historic homeland was committed to creating
                    conditions for the destruction of Russia,
                    condemns the organizers of the extermination of Armenians in 1915-1922,
                    expresses his sympathy to the Armenian people and considers 24
                    April is a day of remembrance for the victims of genocide.

                    http://sbornik-zakonov.ru/223275.html
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  1. Yarbay
    Yarbay April 28 2013 17: 12
    -3
    Quote: Anti
    Resolution of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of 14.04.1995 No. 694-I of the State Duma

    Vinnie, we already talked about this))))
    this document is not * recognition of genocide * Russia !!!
    Dear Hedgehog, explained in detail why!
    1. Anti
      Anti April 28 2013 17: 21
      +2
      Quote: Yarbay
      Dear Hedgehog, explained in detail why!


      Alibaba, Well, if Dear Hedgehog, the ultimate truth then yes !! I am silent .... I am silent. what is the difference recognition-conviction ??? same eggs side view.
  2. Anti
    Anti April 28 2013 18: 33
    +3
    Resolution of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of 22.04.2005 No. 1785-IV DG

    RESOLUTION OF THE STATE DUMA

    OF THE FEDERAL MEETING OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

    About the statement of the State Duma
    Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
    "On the Occasion of the 90th Anniversary of the Beginning of the Armenian Genocide"

    State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian
    Federations of the following countries:
    1. Accept the statement of the State Duma of the Federal
    Assembly of the Russian Federation "On the occasion of the 90th anniversary of the beginning of the genocide
    Armenian people ".
    2. Forward this Regulation and the said Statement to
    National Assembly of the Republic of Armenia.
    3. Forward this Regulation and the said Statement to
    "Parlamentskaya gazeta" for official publication.
    4. This Decision shall enter into force on the day of its
    adoption.

    Chairman of the State Duma
    Federal Assembly
    Russian Federation B.V. Gryzlov

    Moscow
    April 22 2005 years
    N 1785-IV DG
    ___________________

    STATEMENT OF THE STATE DUMA

    OF THE FEDERAL MEETING OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

    On the occasion of the 90th anniversary of the beginning of the genocide of the Armenian people

    In connection with the ninetieth anniversary of the beginning of the genocide of the Armenian people,
    which was one of the most tragic and cruel events in
    XNUMXth Century History, State Duma of the Federal Assembly
    Russian Federation expresses its deepest sympathy for the fraternal
    to the Armenian people.
    Deputies of the State Duma, fully condemning the genocide
    Armenian people, believe that the ninetieth anniversary of its beginning should
    to be commemorated by the international community.

    Moscow
    April 22 2005 years

    1. Apollo
      Apollo April 28 2013 23: 59
      -1
      Quote: Anti
      Resolution of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of 22.04.2005 No. 1785-IV DG



      Quote: Anti
      STATEMENT OF THE STATE DUMA

      OF THE FEDERAL MEETING OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION


      Oleg, you amaze me with your ignorance, because you brought it in the language of jurists. The resolution of the Duma contains political assessment of facts and events, occurring in the country and in the world, and is adopted on issues of domestic and foreign policy, in other words, declaration and all

      Where is the word Law ............., where is the approval by the Federation Council and the President ?! winked
    2. Apollo
      Apollo April 29 2013 00: 26
      +3
      cons it's baby talk otherwise mouse fuss laughing
    3. Anti
      Anti April 29 2013 00: 37
      +4
      What is rich, what can you do? Not everyone is given.
      Regulation-Legal Dictionary
      - The legal act of a number of bodies and officials. The Council of the Federation and the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation adopt acts in the form of resolutions on matters within its jurisdiction. Acts of the Government of the Russian Federation, governments of constituent entities of the Russian Federation are decisions and orders. The final decisions of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation on the assessment of the constitutionality of acts and treaties, competency disputes, citizens' complaints, court requests and requests for interpretation of the Constitution are decisions. Decisions also refer to decisions of persons conducting a preliminary investigation or inquiry, prosecutors, courts. (S. A.)

      Why do you need the word law?
    4. Apollo
      Apollo April 29 2013 00: 53
      +3
      Quote: Anti
      What is rich, what can you do?


      Oleg, with all due respect to you, I do not blame you, everyone is busy with their work, only the Law has binding legal force.

      When the abovementioned by you, the acts will gain the force of the Law, then we will continue to correspond.
    5. Kaa
      Kaa April 29 2013 01: 19
      +4
      Quote: Apollon
      When the abovementioned by you, the acts will gain the force of the Law, then we will continue to correspond
      I watched the discussion of the so-called. In fact, it seems to me that there will not be a Law, because the politics of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation are well aware of the ambiguity of the issue and will not take a one-sided position, having, for example, the following counter-argument: "Georgian writer and thinker I. Chavchavadze. Your Excellency, do not allow the settlement of Armenians in the central Russian lands. They are from such a tribe that after living for several decades, they will start shouting to the whole world that this is the land of our fathers and great-grandfathers.
      A.S. Griboedov. From a letter to the Russian emperor.
      Armenia, as a state, did not play any significant role in the history of mankind, its name was a geographical term widespread by Armenians, it was a place for the resolution of disputes of powerful states - Assyrians, Medes, Iranians, Greeks, Mongols, Russians ...
      French traveler Count of de Chollie.
      The Armenians began to suck the juices of the local population. Not satisfied with this, they pursued a policy of undermining the reputation of the local Muslim population, in order to appropriate their lands, driving them away in the future
      From a message from 1915 General of the Russian Army L. Odishelidze
      All Armenian schools, from the highest to the most ordinary, primary schools, have been turned into an arena of vigorous activity of Armenian propagandists, brought to an extreme degree in European capitals. Patriotic songs and odes, sharp satire and fables from the teaching environment fell into the hot souls of adolescents, incited hatred against the despicable Muslim government, a feeling of anger, a series of unknown fantastic illusions of the future, thus, in a very short time (3-4 years) to protect the created illusions appeared angry, stubborn young men, ready for a bloody sacrifice ...
      Memoirs of a Russian diplomat General Mayevsky... From the book "Massacres Perpetrated by Armenians". The historical roots of Karabakh go back to the ancient era. This is one of the historical provinces of Azerbaijan. This region is an important political, cultural and spiritual center of Azerbaijan ... The notorious Karabakh problem was created by the falsified ideas of the Armenians.
      Samuel A. Weems... "Secrets of the Armenian terrorist" Christian "country",
      Series of large falsifications of Armenians, 1 volume.
      “We are witnesses of the Khojaly tragedy. We saw with our own eyes the mutilated bodies of the defenders of Khojaly, hundreds of civilians - women, children, old people ... We could not finish filming because of the shelling of our helicopter by Armenians. It was a terrifying picture. The Armenians who brutally massacred 5-6-year-old children, babies, pregnant women are not comparable to any murderers. "
      Newspaper "Moskovsky Komsomolets" 29.01.1994/XNUMX/XNUMX. From the article "Oil Syndrome". The conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh is a well-planned, prepared in advance action, the implementation of which was entrusted to the communist leaders of Armenia ... The leaders of the "Karabakh Movement", hypertrophing the nation's self-determination, brought it to such a degree, after which separatism begins. : //forum.bakililar.az/index.php? showtopic = 69558
      NOT FIRING NATIONAL SPREADS FOR THE SAME, BUT TRUTH FOR ... MORE RADICAL STATEMENTS FROM THE RUSSIAN SOURCES OF THE 19TH CENTURY I OMITTED
    6. Apollo
      Apollo April 29 2013 01: 32
      +3
      Quote: Kaa
      I watched all day for a discussion of the so-called the genocide, and even he himself referred to this Duma demarche. In essence, it seems to me that there will be no law, because the politicians that RI, the USSR, the Russian Federation are well aware of the ambiguity of the issue and will not take a unilateral position,


      Good night, dear Kaa !!! And today, for this reason and on this topic, I did not unsubscribe, due to the fact that each country has its own geopolitical interests. In the country's leadership, and especially in such a vast, geopolitically significant and leading country in the world as Russia. There are wise statesmen who are guided by their national interests and not momentary. Reason has always prevailed over emotions. Emotions and politics, concepts that are not consistent with each other.
    7. Kaa
      Kaa April 29 2013 02: 03
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      there are wise statesmen. who are guided by their national interests and not momentary

      There were, alas! We will never know what REALLY people Stalin and Beria were, but, as representatives of the Caucasus, they understood the centuries-old contradictions better than others. Therefore, the "cutting of borders", the resettlement of some peoples, as we have already seen in our lifetime, undoubtedly had a deep meaning, which, given the current frequently changing conjuncture, cannot be immediately grasped. In general, the Caucasus and the Balkans are two "powder kegs of Europe" and they (in the Caucasus, in particular) need to be solved by the peoples of the region themselves, taking into account the views and interests of Russia, Turkey and Iran, but not the British, Germans and Americans and without fanaticism.
  • Anti
    Anti April 28 2013 18: 40
    +3
    Boris Yeltsin - The first president of Russia: "The genocide of the Armenian people of 1915-1922 is a shame of mankind. There is no forgiveness for this and there will be no forgiveness. The genocide has been recognized by Russia, many states of the world. It is time for Turkey to repent. I have been watching for many years and see: Armenia is being reborn. Thank you for what you remember and are devoted to the truth "(October 12, 2002, Yerevan, Tsitsernakaberd).

    Vladimir Putin - Second President of Russia: "Russia has always perceived the pain and tragedy of the Armenian people as its own. We bow our heads low in memory of the victims of the Armenian Genocide" (September 15, 2001, Yerevan, Tsitsernakaberd).

    Dmitry Medvedev - President of Russia: "The Armenian Genocide Museum is evidence of the terrible tragedy of the twentieth century, and at the same time - a reminder that life is the main value that must be protected by civilized peoples" (October 2008, Yerevan, Tsitsernakaberd).
    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE April 28 2013 20: 01
      -1
      Quote: Anti
      Boris Yeltsin - The first president of Russia: "The genocide of the Armenian people of 1915-1922 is a shame of mankind. There is no forgiveness for this and there will be no forgiveness. The genocide has been recognized by Russia, many states of the world. It is time for Turkey to repent. I have been watching for many years and see: Armenia is being reborn. Thank you for what you remember and are devoted to the truth "(October 12, 2002, Yerevan, Tsitsernakaberd).

      Vladimir Putin - Second President of Russia: "Russia has always perceived the pain and tragedy of the Armenian people as its own. We bow our heads low in memory of the victims of the Armenian Genocide" (September 15, 2001, Yerevan, Tsitsernakaberd).

      Dmitry Medvedev - President of Russia: "The Armenian Genocide Museum is evidence of the terrible tragedy of the twentieth century, and at the same time - a reminder that life is the main value that must be protected by civilized peoples" (October 2008, Yerevan, Tsitsernakaberd).

      Armenia rises from its knees, a little more and will arrange a full Karabakh, vile Azerbaijanis, now, just jump out of our pants

    2. Anti
      Anti April 28 2013 20: 10
      -1
      Quote: OTAKE
      a little more and arrange a complete Karabakh


      you are all m and d and stole your showdown am
    3. OTAKE
      OTAKE April 28 2013 20: 21
      +2
      Quote: Anti
      Quote: OTAKE
      a little more and arrange a complete Karabakh


      you are all m and d and stole your showdown am

      I am not muhh! Honestly!
  • Kaa
    Kaa April 28 2013 17: 19
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    as far as I remember, the genocide was recognized even somewhere in the early 90s,

    Quote: Yarbay
    Show official document recognizing Russia * genocide * Armenians

    Quote: Yarbay
    Sanya there is no such document!))

    Well, maybe they stole from the archives of the State Duma bully "On April 14, 1995, the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation unanimously adopted the Statement" On the Condemnation of the Armenian Genocide in 1915-1920. "15 years later, I would like to return to this document again, since the correct words recorded in it remained only a good declaration. Declaration because over the past years, Russia has not made significant practical steps to implement this statement. However, neither on the central TV channels (except in the twenties of April at an inconvenient time), nor in the media, nor in history textbooks, this topic did not find its way Declaring that the State Duma "considers April 24 as a day of remembrance for the victims of genocide", the legislators did not include it in the list of memorable dates. The State Duma in its statement dwelled on only one component of the Armenian genocide - the annihilation of people by the government of one state. into account the many thousands of victims of the massacre in Sasun, Trabzon, Constantinople, Erzru me, Cilicia, Adana, Aleppo, other regions of Turkey during the period 1894-1909. The cultural genocide, which includes the deliberate destruction of the monuments of history, religion and culture of the Armenian people, remained aside. Condemning the genocide carried out by Ottoman Turkey, the legislators did not pay attention to the fact that the newly created Azerbaijan Democratic Republic continued the baton of extermination of Armenians as a nation, placing about 1920 thousand Armenians living in Shushi on the altar of anti-Armenian policy in March 10. analitika.at.ua/news/priznanie_rossiej_genocida_armjan_15_let_spustj
    a / 2010-04-08-24544
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 18: 03
      -3
      Quote: Kaa
      Well, maybe they stole from the archives of the State Duma

      Are you also not a lawyer?))))))))))))))))))
      A statement that is declarative in nature, does not distinguish it from recognition law ??
      and here Hedgehog cited your link, would have read at least!
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic April 28 2013 11: 15
    13
    Quote: Yarbay
    Show the official document with the recognition by Russia * of the * genocide * of Armenians and the statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this matter !!


    On April 14, 1995, the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation unanimously adopted Statement "On the condemnation of the genocide of the Armenian people in 1915-1920."

    The Turkish side does not deny the fact of mass deportations. She acknowledges the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, and the most critical Turkish scholars acknowledge that in a few months, at least 200 thousand people died. In accordance with the Turkish position, the deportation was carried out due to the fact that Armenians supported Russia, an adversary of Turkey in the First World War. Turkey does not deny the guilt of the then authorities in the mass deaths of civilians, she is ready to call it tragedy, but not genocide.
    It is about the word GENOCIDE that has been the subject of controversy for decades. The struggle for recognition of the genocide has become one of the main tasks of Armenian diplomacy. The Armenian Genocide is officially recognized and condemned by Uruguay, France, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Sweden, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Greece, Cyprus, Slovakia, Argentina, Venezuela, Chile, Canada, the Vatican, as well as 40 US states. In 2006 The French parliament passed a law criminalizing the denial of the Armenian Genocide. Every distinguished foreign visitor who comes to Armenia will certainly visit the Tsitsernakaberd Genocide Memorial in Yerevan.

    Genocide (from Greek. γένος - clan, tribe, and Latin caedo - I kill) - acts committed with the intention of destroying, in whole or in part, any national, ethnic, racial or religious group as such by:
    killings of members of this group;
    causing serious harm to their health;
    measures designed to prevent childbearing in such a group;
    forced transfer of children;
    deliberate creation of living conditions designed for the complete or partial physical destruction of this group.
    In a joint Declaration of May 24, 1915, allied countries (Great Britain, France and the Russian Empire) killing of Armenians became the first recognized crime against humanity
    In view of new Turkish crimes against humanity and civilization, the governments of the Union States publicly declare to High Porte personal responsibility for these crimes of all members of the Ottoman government, as well as those of their agents who are involved in such massacres.

    From the Declaration
    Recognition of the Armenian Genocide is the main goal of the main Armenian lobbying organizations, and, besides the recognition itself, territorial claims and a claim for reparations by Turkey are being put forward. In order to gain recognition, Armenian lobbyists are attracting parliamentarians and influential people to their side, exerting pressure on governments of different countries, organizing wide public coverage of this issue in society, and founding institutions dealing with this issue (Zoryan Institute, Armenian National Institute.
    My opinion is that if Armenia renounces territorial claims against Turkey and material compensation and Turkey recognizes the fact of the Armenian genocide as a tragedy of both nations, then the issue of genocide will be closed. But this will never happen because it is not beneficial to anyone for political reasons.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 28 2013 11: 26
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      In general, in the modern world, it is generally accepted that genocide in the history of mankind is primarily the Holocaust. Neither the extermination of the indigenous population of America, the extermination and deportation of the population of Africa during the era of slavery, the colonial policies of civilized countries towards the conquered people, the later Cambodia and Rwanda, Serbia will not interest anyone and will not interest
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW April 28 2013 12: 33
        12
        Interesting genocide of the Slavs, recognized for genocide? And then the Jews with the Holocaust, as with a written shell, and the Slavs died many times more in that war, and the war itself was declared as the destruction of the Slavs!
        1. воронов
          воронов April 28 2013 14: 31
          +4
          Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
          Interesting genocide of the Slavs, recognized for genocide? And then the Jews with the Holocaust, as with a written sack,

          The Slavs don’t have as much money as the Jews and Armenians, therefore we can’t organize the propaganda of our genocide. And then the Slavs, and especially the Russian people, have a different mentality, he doesn’t like to moan, howl and sprinkle ashes on his head for a long time
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 28 2013 14: 39
            0
            Quote: voronov
            And then the Slavs, and especially the Russian people, have a different mentality, he does not like to moan, howl and sprinkle ashes on his head for a long time

            completely agree with this!
            But it seems to me that striving to change the mentality and not only in this matter!
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 11: 46
      0
      Quote: Ascetic
      April 14, 1995 State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation

      I asked about * recognition ** of genocide * !!
      Quote: Ascetic
      Genocide

      April 9, 1909 Istanbul. Turkey. The assassination of Turkish journalist Hassan Fehmi bey was committed. The purpose of the murder is to provoke unrest in the city, taking advantage of the mass demonstrations that accompanied the funeral. It is precisely this period that dates back to the special intensification of the agitational activities of the ideologists of the international Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”, which opened its branches in Paris, Geneva, Cairo. It was from there that Istanbul came to distribute brochures and proclamations calling for the creation of Kamikaze Fedain groups that realize anti-Armenian goals. Among these materials are calls by the ideologist of the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” Mkrtich Portakalyan to create a “great Armenia” by fighting the Turkish and Russian governments. Later, in 1921, M. Portakalyan will be killed by his associates for concealing the income of the “Dashnaktsutyun” organization .58

      February 21, 1914. Turkey. In Karey and Ardahan, Armenian gangs killed 30 thousand ethnic Turks. Infants were selected and thrown into the fire. The killings were preceded by brutal torture. One of the direct organizers of these killings was the ideologist of the Hnchak Armenian terrorist organization, a deputy of the Turkish parliament, Stepan Ter-Danielyan. 59

      Summer 1914 Turkey. The beginning of the First World War. According to the book by American historian Stanford J. Shaw, “The History of the Ottoman Empire,” “... throughout the war there was a terrifying, ruthless mass extermination of Muslims by Armenians. More than a million Turkish peasants were forced to flee their homes. Thousands of refugees were chopped to pieces. ” Of the 3 Turkish population living in 300 in five regions — Trabzon, Erzurum, Erzincan, Van and Bitlis — there were 000 refugees after the war. Armenian gangs also attacked Kurdish villages, brutally slaughtering the entire civilian population, not sparing women, old people, children. One of the direct organizers and ideologists of the massacre of Turkish and Kurdish peasants was a member of the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” Harutyun Shahrikyan nicknamed Atom.1914

      February 1915 of the year. Van Turkey. In the Turkish city of Van, Armenian terrorist organizations carried out a series of bloody acts against the peaceful Muslim population. Xnumx

      February 1915 Turkey. In the book of J. Malevil, “The Armenian Tragedy of 1915”, it is indicated that the number of civilian Muslim population of Eastern Anatolia, systematically destroyed by Armenian terrorist and bandit formations, barely reaches 1 people. According to the author, many Russian officers, outraged by this massacre, used force against Armenian thugs. Naturally, the atrocities and pogroms of the civilian population, coupled with the frank duplicity of Armenian propaganda, soon overflowed the patience of the Ottoman authorities, and on the order of the High Command on April 600, 000, the Ministry of Internal Affairs ordered the immediate closure of all Armenian committees - terrorist organizations in Istanbul and other major Turkish cities.24

      April 24, 1915. Wang. Turkey. According to a letter to Istanbul from the governor in the city of Van, approximately 4000 Armenians arrived from neighboring regions on this day. Armenian bandits engaged in robbery, attacking nearby villages and burning them. The villagers were left homeless. 63
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 28 2013 14: 01
        +4
        Quote: Yarbay
        I asked about * recognition ** of genocide * !!


        State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation,
        Based on irrefutable historical facts testifying to the extermination of Armenians on the territory of Western Armenia in 1915 - 1922,
        Following the spirit and letter of the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (December 9, 1948) and the Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity (November 26, 1968),
        Striving for the revival of the humanistic traditions of the Russian state,
        Recalling that at the initiative of Russia, the great European powers in 1915 qualified the actions of the Turkish Empire against the Armenian people as a “crime against humanity”,
        Noting that the physical destruction of the fraternal Armenian people in their historical homeland was carried out in order to create conditions for the destruction of Russia,
        - State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
        condemns the organizers of the extermination of Armenians in 1915 - 1922, expresses its sympathy for the Armenian people and considers April 24 as a day of remembrance for the victims of genocide.
        For - 282 deputies, against - 0, abstained - 0.


        You asked official document so here it is. if it is not considered as recognition then, firstly, I am not a lawyer; secondly, it will be beneficial for politicians to recognize the Armenian Genocide as they recognize in 1995. will not be profitably not recognized (as Mitrofanov’s draft “On the issue of the Armenian genocide in 1915-17” in 2001 was rejected). That's all.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 28 2013 14: 25
          -1
          Quote: Ascetic
          You requested an official document so here it is. if it is not considered as recognition then I, firstly, not a lawyer secondly

          Your point of view is now clear to me!
          Quote: Ascetic
          recognition of the Armenian Genocide will be beneficial to politicians as they recognize in 1995. will not be profitably not recognized (as Mitrofanov’s draft “On the issue of the Armenian genocide in 1915-17” in 2001 was rejected). That's all.

          Here the question is much more complicated!
          I do not think that it is only the desire of politicians!
          Here, interstate relations have a much greater role!
          So long ago they would have accepted at least because of religious convictions without going into what it was or not!
        2. воронов
          воронов April 28 2013 14: 34
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          then, firstly, I'm not a lawyer

          And if you are not competent, then do not try to prove
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 11: 51
      +2
      Quote: Ascetic
      The Turkish side does not deny the fact of mass deportations. She acknowledges the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people,

      I know this well, dear, but he clarifies that hundreds of thousands of Turks were killed!

      April 1915 year. Abaaga. Turkey. As a result of the attack of the Armenian gang on the village of Abaaga, hundreds of people were brutally killed. The figure cited by a number of researchers - 10 Muslims killed, belongs to the category of approximate. 64

      May 6, 1915. Wang. Turkey. The militants of the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”, led by certain Aram and Varel, committed massacre of Muslims in a Turkish city in order to create a mono-ethnic territory. This was the next stage in the systematic policy pursued by Armenian terrorist organizations to create “ethnically clean zones”. According to the facts cited in a study by academicians J. Aliyev and B. Budagov, Armenian terrorists in the Van region killed 3000 civilians.65

      May 8, 1915. Wang. Turkey. Armenian gangster and terrorist groups begin the assault on the suburbs of Van. All surrounding Muslim villages are engulfed in flames. According to the Russian diplomat, General G. Mayevsky, despite the fact that Armenian propaganda in every possible way accused the Turks of cruelty, he witnessed the opposite: all the bloody events of those years were provoked and carried out by Armenian gangs. 66

      May 9, 1915. Bitlis. Turkey. In the Turkish city of Bitlis, 123 people died as a result of the atrocities of the Armenian gangs. Among the dead are many children and women. According to researcher Rafael de Nogales, one of the leaders of the brutal killings of peaceful Muslims and arson of their villages at that time was a member of the Ottoman Assembly, a member of the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” Garegen Pasdermadzhan. “They killed all the peaceful Muslims falling into their hands,” said the historian Nogales. The death sentences of the Dashnaktsutyun organization were carried out everywhere, which, according to researchers, had never offered a real political program, pointing to its performers only on the methods of struggle. These methods, based on violence, were interpreted as follows: “to resort to any means to arm people, ... to encourage clashes and terrorize government officials, ... to rob and destroy state institutions, ... everything is possible to achieve the goal - propaganda , terror, rebellion .67

      May 14, 1915. Wang. Turkey. According to the American historian Stanford J. Shaw, “mass extermination of the local Muslim population” was carried out by Armenian bandit formations on May 14-16. Arguing on this subject, researcher J. Malevil noted: “Systematic terrorist acts of Armenians, carried out for thirty years, had another, almost equally serious,“ reverse effect ”on the fate of their compatriots transported in 1915. All these absurd rebellions, kindled from the side, led only to useless deaths. But they also had a certain psychological result, which the Armenian agitators achieved through the “tension strategy”: to turn the Armenians in the eyes of the Ottomans from a “faithful nation” to a “suspected nation”.

      A few decades of murder and violent rebellion was enough for this. ”68

      May 17, 1915. Wang. Turkey. Armenian terrorist and bandit groups burned the ancient Turkish city of Van. Among the civilian population there are numerous victims. According to a study by J. and C. McCarthy, 2,5 million ... Muslims died during the bloody events of the early XNUMXth century.69
    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 12: 00
      +2
      Quote: Ascetic
      My opinion is that if Armenia renounces territorial claims against Turkey and material compensation, and Turkey recognizes the fact of the Armenian genocide as a tragedy of both peoples, then the issue of genocide will be closed.

      Your opinion is wrong !!
      Armenian elites are sick with fix ideas!
      We, unlike you, know perfectly well the Armenian fascists and their illness!
      June 22, 1915. Wang. Turkey. When government troops entered the Turkish city of Van, they got a terrible picture: mountains of corpses. The entire Islamic population of Van, which did not have time to escape in time - Turks, Azerbaijanis, Kurds - was destroyed by Armenian terrorist groups. Muslims were gathered by Armenians at a huge ditch, and then brutally murdered. Eight days later, on July 1, 1915, General Nikolaev in his report will tell about the atrocities of the Armenian gangs of some Thero and Hecho, whom the indignant Russian officer calls for to shoot from guns. At the burial place of 5000 brutally tortured people, today stands the Turkish memorial - in memory of the victims of the 1915 genocide committed by civilian gang and terrorist groups over the civilian population. 70

      May 8, 1916. Terjan. Turkey. As a result of the attack of Armenian bearded men, led by the bandit Andranik, 563 people died in the Muslim villages of Terjan. Each murder was accompanied by painful torture. Militants executed the verdict of the international Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun.” 71

      May 11, 1916. Malazgird. Turkey. Armenian gangs brutally killed 20 people in the Turkish city of Malazgird. Even infants were tortured, who were then thrown into the fire.000

      May 22, 1916. Wang. Turkey. Armenian gangs committed another massacre of civilians of Turkish and Kurdish nationalities in the city of Van. The city was just starting to come to life after the tragedy of 1915. 1000 Armenian babies were strangled by Armenian thugs. The world did not yet know such cruel reprisals against children. As a result of the atrocities committed by Armenian terrorists in the city of Van, 15 people died. The corpses were cut off ears, noses, eyes gouged. 000

      May 22, 1916. Wang. Turkey. The Turkish village of Keprikey near the city of Van was completely destroyed by Armenian gangs. Killed 200 people. Those who tried to resist were subjected to a particularly sophisticated execution.74

      May 22, 1916. Wang. Turkey. For the first time, Armenian terrorists applied the method of mass poisoning of people. It was in such a barbaric way that several hundred civilians were killed. Among the dead are children, the elderly, women. 75

      May 22, 1916. Wang. Turkey. In the surrounding Muslim villages of Ergel and Atian, flooded with numerous refugees, about 8000 people were killed by Armenian thugs. Resistance to well-armed bandits was in vain. 76
      June 1916 Edremed. Turkey. As a result of the attack of the Armenian gangs on the Turkish city of Edremed and the brutal massacres committed by them against civilians, 15 people were killed. In order to save bullets, Armenian bandits resorted to sophisticated methods of mortal torture. 000
      1. воронов
        воронов April 28 2013 14: 40
        -3
        Quote: Yarbay
        Armenian elites are sick with fix ideas!

        Some representatives of this people are also sick with the ideas of fix in Armenia and abroad.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 28 2013 18: 14
        +6
        Quote: Yarbay
        Quote: Ascetic
        My opinion is if Armenia renounces territorial claims against Turkey and material compensation and Turkey recognizes the fact of the Armenian Genocide as the tragedy of both nations, the issue of genocide will be closed.
        Your opinion is wrong !!
        Armenian elites are sick with fix ideas!
        We, unlike you, know perfectly well the Armenian fascists and their illness!


        Does your ... mean something else?


        Quote: Yarbay
        I say that it was a tragedy of both the Armenian and Turkish peoples!
        Hundreds of thousands were killed on both sides !!


        Where is the difference? You are already starting to contradict yourself.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 28 2013 18: 20
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          Where is the difference? You are already starting to contradict yourself.

          what ???
          I say that the Turkish government did not give an order to destroy the Armenians ??
          What Armenians are more truly gangs of Armenians in Turkey and in Azerbaijan before the year 15 even hundreds of thousands of Turks were killed !!
          What to do with it ??
          it’s necessary and possible to kill Turks, but the death of Arminin is a universal tragedy ???
          We are with you about this last time !!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 28 2013 18: 43
            0
            what ???
            I say that the Turkish government did not give an order to destroy the Armenians !!
            What Armenians are more truly gangs of Armenians in Turkey and in Azerbaijan before the year 15 even hundreds of thousands of Turks were killed !!
            What to do with it ??
            it’s necessary and possible to kill Turks, but the death of Arminin is a universal tragedy ???
            We are with you about this last time !!
    5. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 12: 03
      +3
      Quote: Ascetic
      killings of members of this group;

      May 23, 1916. Van, Turkey. In the Muslim village of Sale, not far from the Turkish city of Van, 300 people were killed by Armenian thugs, most of whom are women, old people and children. After the killings, mockery of the corpses continued. It was during this period that the ideologists of the international Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun” began to falsify history in order to deflect responsibility for the massacres. The sinister absurdity was that they dubbed the bloody crimes they had committed ... "the Armenian genocide." As an illustration, they are presented with a canvas “depicting a bunch of skulls of Armenians exterminated during the First World War”. Over time, the researchers made it clear: “The picture was deceitfully and irresponsibly distributed on the covers of books and in accompanying articles, printed on propaganda leaflets or as a postcard, with the purpose of deception. However, in reality, this painting entitled “The Apotheosis of War” was painted in 1871-1872 by the Russian artist Vasily Vereshchagin, who was born in 1842. Therefore), a painting, the object of which is not the Armenians, was painted 44 years before the start of the so-called events of 1915, and the artist died 10 years before the start of the First World War. ”77

      November 1917 Nuha (Sheki). Azerbaijan. According to the report of the member of the Extraordinary Investigative Commission, N. Mikhailov, in the Azerbaijani villages of the Nukhinsky district (now the Sheki region of Azerbaijan), Armenian bandits killed peasants returning from field work. Three women were abducted from the village of Sary Gadzhaly, later found dead with cut breasts. 80

      December 14, 1917. Azerbaijan. According to the report of the member of the Extraordinary Investigative Commission, N. Mikhailov, an Azerbaijani gang by the name of Bakhshali and his whole family were brutally murdered by an Armenian gang on the road from Agdash to Kutkashen (Gabala). The bandits took off their skin and in this form hung corpses on the trees. 81
    6. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 12: 08
      +3
      Quote: Ascetic
      On April 14, 1995, the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation unanimously adopted the Statement

      May 11, 1905. Baku. Azerbaijan. Five Armenian terrorists committed the assassination of Prince M. Nakashidze and G. Takayshvili, who spoke from the position of friendship between the Caucasian peoples. This is evidenced by the recollections of an eyewitness P.P. Shubinsky. On the same day, General Alikhanov was killed. The proclamation circulated after the killings noted that they were carried out by the Armenian terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”. According to some reports, one of the killers was Drastamat Kanayan nicknamed Dro. Prior to these events, Dro in Zangezur County, as part of various Armenian gangs, took part in bloody operations against civilians - Turks, Kurds, Azerbaijanis.

      Further on the list of those killed by the terrorists from Dashnaktsutyun: county governors Pavlov, Neshchansky, Boguslavsky, vice-governor Andreev, Colonel Bykov and others.
      Most of the crimes in the region against the Azerbaijani people were carried out by Armenian terrorist and bandit groups under the slogan ... this time - the struggle for communist power. Taking advantage of the pretext of a truce, Armenian gangs from the terrorist organization "Dashnaktsutyun" twice this year staged a massacre of Turks and Azerbaijanis. The total number of killed Muslims is 69. Among the dead are women, old people and children. According to a note by one of the communist leaders K.G. Ordzhonikidze to fellow party members - Lenin, Stalin and Chicherin: "The withdrawal of the Dashnak troops led by Dro is explained solely by the threat of these parts of Nakhchivan and its region being occupied. The Armenian government deliberately falsely informs you. I fully agree with you that nationalist aspirations are being dragged through under the communist shell. ... I perfectly understand that the possibility is not excluded that we may need Armenia in a certain political situation. Decide as you find necessary. We will carry out everything that will be prescribed to us, but let me bring to your attention that such an attitude towards Azerbaijan greatly compromises us in the eyes of the broad masses of Azerbaijan ". 260
      1926 year. USA. A number of Armenian terrorist organizations published a statement by Andranik Ozanyan Torosi in their press releases under the headline "I'll be back!" Living out his days in America (he died in 1927, guarded by 680 thugs), the one-eared Andranik in his "message" called the Russians the worst enemies of the Armenian people.26
    7. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 12: 14
      0
      Quote: Ascetic
      The Armenian Genocide is officially recognized and condemned by Uruguay, France, Italy, Germany, Belgium, Sweden, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Greece, Cyprus, Slovakia, Argentina, Venezuela, Chile, Canada, the Vatican, as well as 40 US states.


      Once again, you reprinted some kind of information from some Wikipedia without having bothered to read it!
      Where is the recognition of Russia, Germany and other countries ??
      Quote: Ascetic
      In 2006, the French parliament passed a law criminalizing the denial of the Armenian genocide.

      Dear Stanislav, carefully follow the events in the world!
      The decision of the French parliament has long been overturned by the Constitutional Court of France as anti-constitutional !!
    8. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 April 28 2013 19: 42
      +5
      It is always a pleasure to read your comments - always detailed, precise and concrete.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt April 28 2013 21: 57
    +3
    Quote: Yarbay
    Show the official document with the recognition by Russia * of the * genocide * of Armenians and the statement of the Russian Foreign Ministry on this matter !!
    Statement
    State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
    "On the condemnation of the genocide of the Armenian people in 1915-1922"
    Moscow
    14 April 1995 city
    N 694-I DG
    State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation,
    Based on irrefutable historical facts testifying to the extermination of Armenians on the territory of Western Armenia in 1915-1922,
    Following the spirit and letter of the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (December 9, 1948) and the Convention on the Non-Applicability of Statutory Limitations to War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity (November 26, 1968),
    Striving for the revival of the humanistic traditions of the Russian state,
    Recalling that at the initiative of Russia, the great European powers back in 1915 qualified the actions of the Turkish Empire against the Armenian people as a "crime against humanity",
    Noting that the physical destruction of the fraternal Armenian people in their historical homeland was carried out in order to create conditions for the destruction of Russia,
    condemns the organizers of the extermination of Armenians in 1915-1922,
    expresses its sympathy to the Armenian people and considers April 24 as a day of remembrance for the victims of the genocide. http://iv.garant.ru/SESSION/PILOT/main.htm
  • lecturer
    lecturer April 28 2013 10: 40
    +6
    And besides this, Who can explain WHY the Armenian mountain ARARAT (!) Became Turkish ???
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 28 2013 10: 55
      +2
      Quote: morpod
      Armenian mountain ARARAT (!) became Turkish ??

      Long, very long time ago Great Armenia (Urartu?) Existed. It was huge and stretched from "sea to sea". But foreigners came and the country ceased to exist. Almost like Judea. And the Turks also settled in this place, having founded their country, Turkey. Something like that. And in memory of the ancient country, the Urartu Motors company was organized in Moscow. Although I also do not understand what relation cars and motors have to Urartu ??? fool
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 28 2013 13: 41
        0
        Quote: Hedgehog
        (Urartu?)


        Very controversial statement!
        Apparently, you are quite familiar with the story and therefore probably raised the question!
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak April 28 2013 14: 25
          +6
          Well, if I knew and repeatedly saw Zia Buniyatov and Yusif Samedoglu, maybe I know something. May the earth rest in peace.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 28 2013 14: 49
            +3
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Ziya Buniyatova

            I knew him too !!
            As children, we always looked enviously at his sign of the Hero of the Soviet Union!
            He was one of the two commanders of the GSS penal battalion !!
            He was a man of incredible courage!
            He liked to say that he was afraid of a bold bullet, he didn’t take a bold bayonet!
            Hezbolahists killed him, whom some idolize here!
            By the way, his son, in my opinion, a general in Russia, commanded a division in Dagestan!
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak April 28 2013 15: 06
              +5
              Yes, he was a very interesting person, a wonderful storyteller. Such people are remembered for a lifetime. Fortunately, I have many memorable examples, including Fidan and Khuraman. I believe you understand who I'm talking about.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 28 2013 15: 12
              +3
              Quote: Hedgehog
              including Fidan and Khuraman

              they have beautiful voices and I envy your acquaintances with these people !!)))
              It seems saprano)))
            3. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak April 28 2013 15: 23
              +4
              Yes, both have sopranos. If they had different tones, they would have the opportunity to sing together. And so they had to leave. Maybe this is the decision of the Almighty. It may be better.
              All the best. I'm leaving. smile
            4. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 28 2013 15: 42
              +1
              Quote: Hedgehog
              All the best. I'm leaving.

              Good luck to you!!
  • воронов
    воронов April 28 2013 15: 38
    +1
    Quote: Hedgehog
    in memory of the ancient country, the Urartu Motors company was organized in Moscow. Although I also do not understand what relation cars and motors have to Urartu ???

    Armenians like Jews have everything to do fellow
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 28 2013 10: 56
    0
    Quote: morpod
    Who can explain WHY the Armenian mountain ARARAT (!) Became Turkish ???

    The history of the Armenian people, as, indeed, of any other ethnic group, is full of various kinds of shocks. It has very important historical-political, territorial-demographic and migration aspects regarding the stages of centuries-old and repeated migration of the ancestors of Armenians from West to East, that is, from Europe to Asia. More specifically, at the initial stage of migration processes - from the historical region of Thrace in the Balkans through Asia Minor to the Caucasus.

    The coryphaeus of Armenian studies, as subsequently the authors of the repeatedly reprinted “History of the Armenian people”, since the 1912th century wrote that in the 3th century BC in Thrace, in the Balkans, the Cimmerians appeared - one of the "peoples of the sea" according to the ancient Egyptian ethnic nomenclature. Here they came into contact with the ancestors of the Armenians, whom they took away with them to the east - to Asia Minor (Adonts N. Armenia. - Brockhaus-Efron New Encyclopedic Dictionary. St. Petersburg, 1975, Volume 12; M. Abeghyan. History of Ancient Armenian Literature. Yerevan, 14, pp. 1991-XNUMX; any publication of the History of the Armenian People, published before the collapse of the USSR in XNUMX).

    As a reference, we note: the Cimmerians lived in the vast expanses of the Northern Black Sea coast from Thrace in the west to the Caucasus in the east; cramped from the east by Scythians, they crossed the Balkans to Asia Minor, where, according to Armenian scholars, they brought with them “descendants of Hayk,” that is, the ancestors of the Armenians.

    As a result of this first, initial migration of the distant ancestors of the Armenian people, they found themselves in Phrygia, a historical region in the western part of Asia Minor. According to the testimony of the “father of history” - the famous ancient Greek author of the 180th century BC Herodotus, who himself was a native of Asia Minor, the Armenians came here from the west and, in his opinion, they are descendants of the Phrygians (Herodotus. History in nine books. I: 194, 93; III: 49; V: 52, 73; VII : XNUMX).

    The 1896th century Russian Caucasian scholar I. Chopin noted, confirming this version: “Armenians are aliens. This is the tribe of the Phrygians and Ionians who crossed into the northern valleys of the Anatolian mountains ”(Chopin I. New notes on the ancient history of the Caucasus and its inhabitants. St. Petersburg, 26, p. XNUMX).

    The famous Armenist of the 1947th century G.A. Kapantsyan writes: “Hayas-Asia - the“ motherland of Armenians ”after their migration from the Balkans - is in Asia Minor” (G. Kapantsyan, Hayas is the cradle of Armenians. Ethnogenesis of Armenians and their initial history. Yerevan , 240, p. 242, XNUMX).

    The outstanding Russian scientist and orientalist of the XX century I.M.Dyakonov also came to the conclusion that the ancient Armenian language (grabar) is Phrygian; and the Armenians - part of the Phrygians (Dyakonov I.M. Background to the Armenian people. Yerevan, 1968, p. 202-203, 212).
    The fact that the Armenians are aliens from the west, from the Balkans, that is, from the Mediterranean zone, is also evidenced by their inherent disease, referred to as periodic or Armenian medicine. This is a relatively rare, genetically determined disease that selectively affects only people living in the Mediterranean basin, especially Armenians, as well as a number of other peoples of this region (Big Medical Encyclopedia, Volume XIX. Moscow, p. 67).

    The Armenian author, scandalously famous for his anti-Azerbaijani book “Hearth”, Zori Balayan, unwittingly confirmed this fact, together with him the non-Caucasian origin of his relatives, noting: “we are a special people, we even have our own disease -“ Armenian ””
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 April 28 2013 12: 50
    -1
    Is it written on the mountain that it is Armenian?
  • воронов
    воронов April 28 2013 15: 35
    +1
    Quote: morpod
    WHY Armenian mountain ARARAT (!) Became Turkish ???

    But they have it on the coat of arms laughing
  • hrych
    hrych April 28 2013 21: 11
    +7
    And does Mount Ararat know that it is Turkish or Armenian, at one time the mountain saw how dinosaurs copulate.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak April 28 2013 10: 43
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And what about with other countries recognized including Russia

    Initially, the text of the article begs the question: When did Russia recognize the Armenian Genocide? Or am I missing something?
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 10: 50
      +1
      Quote: Hedgehog
      And when did Russia recognize the Armenian Genocide? Or am I missing something?

      And not only Russia and Germany did not recognize and I think in many countries named there was an appeal of parliaments !!
    2. Aleks28
      Aleks28 April 28 2013 10: 51
      +3
      Quote: Hedgehog
      Initially, the text of the article begs the question: When did Russia recognize the Armenian Genocide? Or am I missing something?

      Missed yes And for a long time ... in 1995m recourse if my memory serves me right.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 28 2013 10: 58
        0
        Quote: Allex28
        Missed And for a long time ... in 1995m

        Give me a link please)))
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 April 28 2013 11: 23
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          Yarbay

          http://barevhayer.com/vitamin-club/1966--1915-
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 28 2013 12: 40
            +2
            Quote: Allex28
            http://barevhayer.com/vitamin-club/1966--1915-

            Where is Russia * recognized the genocide * ??
            Read less Armenian sites!
            1. Aleks28
              Aleks28 April 28 2013 12: 53
              +2
              Quote: Yarbay
              Read less Armenian sites!

              The paradox is that I have not found a single regulatory document on the recognition of the Armenian Genocide in Armenia itself. request There is no such document in stripy, but many have a law on denial (here I mean the general concept of genocide). If there are lawyers on this site, then. explain. Of the countries that have recognized the genocide 90% do not have normative documents. What is obtained is an oral statement of. persons of the state, or how? In short, there are more questions than answers.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 28 2013 13: 25
              +1
              Quote: Allex28
              The paradox is that I have not found a single regulatory document on the recognition of the Armenian Genocide in Armenia itself

              Not there, dear!
              Read the constitution of Armenia!
              Quote: Allex28
              There is no such document in stripes, but the law on the denial of many eats

              Not many, but three countries had even not been approved !!
              In France, the constitutional court reversed this decision of Parliament!
              below Hedgehog answered the question!
          2. воронов
            воронов April 28 2013 15: 44
            -2
            Quote: Yarbay
            Read less Armenian sites!

            Their sites are the ultimate truth laughing
    3. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 28 2013 11: 03
      +2
      You know, for this there must be an official document approved by the President. A statement by the Duma, just a piece of paper !!!

      Here is a quote: "On April 14, 1995, the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation unanimously adopted the Statement" On the Condemnation of the Armenian Genocide in 1915-1920. "15 years later, I want to return to this document again, since the correct words recorded in it remained only a good declaration. A declaration because over the past years, Russia has not made significant practical steps to implement this statement. " End of quote.

      Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/1271085.html#ixzz2RjswasX8
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 28 2013 11: 10
        +3
        Quote: Hedgehog
        You know, for this there must be an official document approved by the President. A statement by the Duma, just a piece of paper !!!

        You are absolutely right!
        otherwise Turkey would probably sever diplomatic relations with Russia!
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 April 28 2013 14: 13
          +3
          Quote: Yarbay
          otherwise Turkey would probably sever diplomatic relations with Russia!

          Why don’t they tear up mattresses? Of all the countries that recognized the Armenian genocide, only 2 have the corresponding normative documents. And you grabbed the gap about diplomatic relations.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 28 2013 14: 31
            +5
            Quote: Allex28
            Why aren’t they tearing with mattresses?

            so the mattresses did not recognize !!
            Quote: Allex28
            And about the gap in diplomatic relations, you grabbed it.

            No, the most highly placed leaders declared this!
            When the French parliament passed a criminal prosecution law for denial, Turkey froze all economic contracts with France (worth over 5 billion) and recalled the ambassador!
            After the constitutional court of France repealed this law, relations returned to normal!
        2. воронов
          воронов April 28 2013 15: 47
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          otherwise Turkey would probably sever diplomatic relations with Russia!

          Wai, Wai, Wai, oh bye !!! And what are we going to do without the Turks ??? recourse
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 28 2013 15: 59
            +1
            Quote: voronov
            And what are we going to do without the Turks ???

            I do not know!!
            It just seems to me that because of the question * of genocide * they will not want to spoil the relationship !!
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 28 2013 11: 01
    0
    Quote: Hedgehog
    And when did Russia recognize the Armenian Genocide?

    Didn’t she recognize?
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 28 2013 11: 06
      +4
      Strange as it may seem, she has not officially recognized.
  • lecturer
    lecturer April 28 2013 10: 58
    +7
    And besides this, I want to remind you of such nitpicking for the Turks from history:
    "The territory on which Ararat is located passed from the Armenian SSR (formed on November 29, 1920) to Turkey under the Moscow and Kars treaties of 1921. According to legend, in response to the protest of the Turkish government against the fact that Ararat is depicted on the coat of arms of the Armenian SSR, part of Armenia, the People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs Chicherin replied: "The flag of Turkey has a crescent moon, but the Moon is not part of Turkey" ...
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 11: 17
      +2
      Quote: morpod
      And besides this, I want to remind you of such nitpicking for the Turks from history

      in 1828, when the "Armenian region" was created within the Iravan and Nakhichevan khanates, ¾ of its population were Muslims. This is confirmed by the letter of General Paskevich to the Chief of the General Staff, which contains dissatisfaction with the actions of General Krasovsky, appointed head of the "temporary administration" Irevan, and a member of this administration, Archbishop Nerses. Paskevich reproached Krasovsky in presenting Nerses with unlimited influence on all affairs, and in harmful patronage of the Armenians, while "¾ of the population of the region are Mohammedans" (V.A.Potto. Caucasian War. Persian War of 1827-1826. Volume 1828, Stavropol, 3 , pp. 1993-594).
      Russian writer S.N. Glinka gives interesting information about the movement of Armenians from Iran towards Karabakh. The political nature of the resettlement of Iranian Armenians to the Muslim lands just captured by Russia is clearly seen in the appeal to the Persian Armenians of the active organizer of resettlement G. Lazarev: "In Erivan, Nakhichevan and Karabakh, where you choose, you will receive an abundance of grain-bearing land, partly sown, of which only a part is processed in favor of the Treasury. You are exempted for six years from all taxes and aid will be given to the poorest of you. " (S.N. Glinka. Description of the resettlement of the Armenians of Adderbidzhan in Russia. M., 1831, p.107-111). SN Glinka writes: “Armenians from various villages adjacent to Turkmenchay moved to Karabakh” (Ibid .: 48). According to his information, “in three and a half months, more than 8.000 families crossed the Araks” (Ibid .: 92). In the spring of 1828, when the stream of Armenians was moving towards Araz, Paskevich received an order to resettle the poorest in Karabakh, and this was reflected in the Russian literature of that time (Ibid .: 90-91). This is how in 1832 the Armenians made up 31,6% of the population of Karabakh, and the Muslims who retained the majority - 68,4% (Review of the Russian possessions in the Caucasus in statistical, ethnographic, topographic and financial relations. Tiflis, 1836, p. 267).
      By the decree of Emperor Nicholas I on March 21, 1828, on the lands of the former Iravan and Nakhichevan khanates, the "Armenian region" was created: "By virtue of the treaty, prisoner with Persia, the annexation of Russia from Persia to the Khanate in all matters will henceforth be called the Armenian region and included in our title" (Complete collection of laws of the Russian Empire. Vol. III, St. Petersburg., 1830, p. 272-273). Russian general and Georgian prince A. Chavchavadze was appointed head of the "Armenian region" (Acts of the Caucasian Archaeographic Commission. Archive of the Main Directorate of the Governor of the Caucasus. Volume VII. Published under the editorship of the chairman of the commission A.D. Berzhe. Tiflis, 1878, p.487).
      At the time of the formation of this area, 75% of its population was Muslim. If during the period of the Russian conquest 49.875 Muslims and 20.073 Armenians lived in the Iravan region, then immediately after the formation of the "Armenian region" 45.200 Armenians were resettled here from neighboring countries (Review of Russian possessions beyond the Caucasus in statistical, ethnographic, topographic and financial relations. Tiflis, 1836, p. 229). A similar situation has developed in the Nakhchivan region. By the time the Russian occupation ended, 17.138 Muslims and 2.690 Armenians lived in Nakhchivan. With the liquidation of the Khanate, 10.670 Armenians moved here in a short period of time. Similarly, in the Ordubad part of Nakhchivan, where originally 7.247 Muslims and 2.388 Armenians lived, 1.340 Armenians were resettled to change the ratio between them (Ibid. P. 229).
      1. воронов
        воронов April 28 2013 19: 02
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        On March 21, 1828, on the lands of the former Iravan and Nakhichevan khanates, the "Armenian region" was created:

        They’ve created in vain, I hope our Russian leadership is smart enough that it wouldn’t be possible to create something like this within modern Russia, although who knows ... Armenians are rich, they can break through this topic, and our rulers are greedy fool
    2. воронов
      воронов April 28 2013 15: 49
      +2
      Quote: morpod
      People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs Chicherin replied: “The crescent moon is depicted on the flag of Turkey, but the moon is not part of Turkey” ...

      This was said by I.V. Stalin stop
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 April 28 2013 12: 41
    0
    Everyone needs money. And if tomorrow the Armenian lobby, by the way the second in the world in finances, (second only to Jews) needs a bill against the Martians, they will vote for it. And for Russia, Armenia is a partner (although it costs her too expensive, without the slightest chance to return enclosed) and therefore accepts any resolutions pleasing to them.
  • Andrey57
    Andrey57 April 28 2013 10: 36
    +6
    If the Turks had 300,000 Armenian partisans in the rear, they would defend Constantinople from the east, given that from the strike of Yudenich’s corps alone, they fled for a very long time and without regard to their territory. And in vain then Yudenich was stopped in an order.
  • svp67
    svp67 April 28 2013 19: 40
    +3
    Quote: xetai9977
    Dear, you read inattentively. The numbers are clearly taken from the ceiling. And note, there are so many minuses, and not a single argument !!!

    Dear, you are cunning. You understand very well that the only one who could provide true figures is the Turkish side, but it will never do that ...
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 April 29 2013 10: 43
      0
      I already wrote about this. Turkey proposes to create a joint commission. and the Armenians refuse.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz April 29 2013 11: 06
        0
        Quote: xetai9977
        Turkey proposes to create a joint commission. and the Armenians refuse

        It is not beneficial for the Armenians to let the world know the truth!

        I would like to ask the Armenians why exactly 24 of April?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 29 2013 20: 43
          -1
          Quote: ayyildiz
          I would like to ask the Armenians why exactly 24 of April?

          I think the reason is this!

          February 1915 Turkey. In the book of J. Malevil, “The Armenian Tragedy of 1915”, it is indicated that the number of civilian Muslim population of Eastern Anatolia, systematically destroyed by Armenian terrorist and bandit formations, barely reaches 1 people. According to the author, many Russian officers, outraged by this massacre, used force against Armenian thugs. Naturally, the atrocities and pogroms of the civilian population, coupled with the frank duplicity of Armenian propaganda, soon overflowed the patience of the Ottoman authorities, and on the order of the High Command on April 600, 000, the Ministry of Internal Affairs ordered the immediate closure of all Armenian committees - terrorist organizations in Istanbul and other major Turkish cities.24
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz April 30 2013 00: 24
            -1
            The decree was given 27 Maya 1915g! And on April 24, Armenian terrorists from Dashnaktsutyun were arrested and relocated to other cities of 235, there were no murders
      2. svp67
        svp67 April 29 2013 12: 14
        +3
        Quote: xetai9977
        I already wrote about this. Turkey proposes to create a joint commission. and the Armenians refuse.

        So let them lay out documentary evidence, and so these are just words ...
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz April 29 2013 12: 56
          0
          They have been laid out for a long time!
  • vilenich
    vilenich April 28 2013 09: 27
    +6
    Quote: Alesha
    a million and a half

    And really, where did one and a half million come from? I served in Armenia in the late 80s - early 90s, then the figure was one million two hundred thousand?
    1. Mikado
      Mikado April 28 2013 10: 36
      +4
      It all depends on what time frame to consider; the Turks of the Armenians slaughtered, after all, not only in 1915.
      1. vilenich
        vilenich April 28 2013 16: 07
        -1
        Quote: Mikado
        It all depends on what time frame to consider; the Turks of the Armenians slaughtered, after all, not only in 1915.

        So in the calculations it is possible to count before the natural population decline.
      2. воронов
        воронов April 28 2013 19: 09
        0
        Quote: Mikado
        after all, the Turks of Armenians slaughtered not only in the 1915 year.

        Are the Armenians so fluffy that they never slaughtered anyone?
    2. воронов
      воронов April 28 2013 19: 08
      +6
      Quote: vilenich
      early 90's, then figured the number one million two hundred thousand?

      Armenians with their "genocide", and Jews with "chrolocaust" inflict several thousand every year, if this goes on, laughing then after a while there will be more "perished" Armenians and Jews in the "genocide" and "Holocaust" than the living Chinese.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 28 2013 10: 39
    -1
    Quote: Alesha
    that is, the Armenians are to blame !! one and a half million partisans !!! It’s not funny to myself!

    I and the thousands of victims of Armenian Dashnaks are not funny !!
    You hope to read and understand English!

    "I killed Muslims by every means possible. Yet it is sometimes a pity to waste bullets for this. The best way is to gather all of these dogs and throw them into wells and then fill the wells with big and heavy stones. As I did . I gathered all of the women. Men and children, threw big stones down on top of them. They must never live on this earth. "
    A. Lalayan, Revolutsionniy Vostok (Revolutionary East) No: 2-3, Moscow, 1936.
    1. воронов
      воронов April 28 2013 19: 15
      0
      "I killed Muslims by every means possible. Yet it is sometimes a pity to waste bullets for this. The best way is to gather all of these dogs and throw them into wells and then fill the wells with big and heavy stones. As I did . I gathered all of the women. Men and children, threw big stones down on top of them. They must never live on this earth. "
      A. Lalayan, Revolutsionniy Vostok (Revolutionary East) No: 2-3, Moscow, 1936.
      [/ Quote]
      Ah well done !!! And I studied German at VU, and at VA I would give up on horseradish if I later fought over the river, and in the North Caucasus, and served in Central Asia, Transbaikalia and in the far north laughing
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 28 2013 20: 40
        +2
        Quote: voronov
        And I studied German at VU,

        “I killed Muslims in every possible way. Although sometimes it was a shame to waste bullets on it. The best way is to collect all these dogs and throw them into the wells, and then throw stones at the wells, as I did. I collected all the women, men and children and threw them with big stones all the way to the top. They shouldn't live on earth. Never. "
        1. воронов
          воронов April 29 2013 23: 53
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          I killed Muslims in every way possible. Although sometimes it was a pity to spend bullets on it. The best way is to collect all these dogs and throw them into the wells, and then throw stones at the wells, as I did. I collected all women, men and children and threw them with large stones to the very top

          Are you an executioner?
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 30 2013 07: 30
            +1
            Quote: voronov
            Are you an executioner?

            No, she just translated for you what was written by Lalayan!
  • Papakiko
    Papakiko April 28 2013 10: 38
    +3
    Quote: xetai9977
    Anyway, where did the figure of 1,5 million come from? In the 20s, they wrote about 300 thousand. In the 40s already about 600 thousand. And after the war, the figure jumped to 1,5 million. Miracles ..

    This is called INFLATION wink
    "Mattress" "recognizing" the Armenian genocide is laying the foundation for "Baltic presentations", Polish, Ukrainian "Holodomor" and TD and TD.
    The orientation of the Anglo-Saxon-Gay-European protagonist is perfectly understandable and clearly fit into their general doctrine. All the countries of the region are actively using the "Armenian question" as a counterbalance in mutual "settlements".
    Quote: Yarbay
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And on the basis of figures taken from the ceiling, half of the world recognized the genocide?

    how many now Armenians are permissible in the world?
    And here is how this business is going for the Armenians (according to Armenian sources)
    table from http://www.iatp.am/e...demog-ax.htm#1t
    Years The number of population
    (in thousands)
    1828 97
    1831 162

    I have another question, if the Armenians appeared only in 1828, then where did they come from? Are these the saddled remnants of the "great army of Napoleon"? wink
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 April 28 2013 13: 02
      +1
      Quote: Papakiko
      I have a different question, if the Armenians appeared only in 1828, then where did they come from

      And who claims that the Armenians appeared in 1828? you’re joking here, but it’s not at all funny for people affected by the Armenians
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko April 28 2013 14: 55
        0
        Quote: xetai9977
        you’re joking here, but it’s not at all funny for people affected by the Armenians

        People who have suffered from LKN in Russia are not at all funny, and these are all the peoples of the Caucasus. I am amused by the figures of the "official" census of the ethnic group.
        And the population growth rate can simply be compared with the reproduction of rodents or viruses. Such a growth rate is a consequence of solid prosperity or a favorable climate.
  • Professor
    Professor April 28 2013 10: 47
    +3
    Armenian women, old people and children were also partisans?
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      Armenian women, old people and children were also partisans?

      and Turkish and Azerbaijani women and children were partisans ??
      They have been killed since 1896 !!
      and Jewish, Lezghian Avar women and children carved by Lalayan and Dro in the city of Guba were also partisans ??
      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-3.php

      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-4.php
      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-5.php
      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-6.php
      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-7.php
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 11: 27
      0
      Quote: Professor
      Armenian women, old people and children were also partisans?

      May 11, 1916. Malazgird. Turkey. Armenian gangs brutally killed 20 people in the Turkish city of Malazgird. Even infants were tortured, who were then thrown into the fire.000
      May 22, 1916. Wang. Turkey. The Turkish village of Keprikey near the city of Van was completely destroyed by Armenian gangs. Killed 200 people. Those who tried to resist were subjected to a particularly sophisticated execution.74
      July 29, 1906. Karhan. Azerbaijan. Armenian gangs attacked the Azerbaijani village of Karhan. They quickly managed to capture the village, as the unarmed peasants had nothing to resist. Well-armed Armenian gangs killed all the men in the village. 30 women and children who managed to escape and hide behind the hill were soon discovered due to the crying baby of a young mother, Paciza. The story has preserved the name of the baby - the girls of Firuza. The fugitives were mercilessly destroyed. Of the residents of the Azerbaijani village of Karhan, no 56 were left alive.
      July 12, 1906 Shusha. Azerbaijan. A large-scale attack on Shusha by gangs of about 10 thousand people recruited from nearby Armenian villages. (Those of the Armenians who refused to participate in this massacre were executed by the sentence of the terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”). The fighting went on for five days. All Muslim houses were bombed. The brutal bandits burned babies right in the cradle, pulled the children out of the hands of their mothers and smashed the heads of babies on stones.
      November 15-18, 1905. Ganja Azerbaijan. The Armenian gangs, carrying out the installation of the terrorist organization “Dashnaktsutyun”, carried out a bloody massacre of the civilian population of the city. According to historians, this was one of the most brutal reprisals of Armenian bandits against civilians in those years. They drove people alive in droves in crowds (most often in mosques).
      December 14, 1917. Azerbaijan. According to the report of the member of the Extraordinary Investigative Commission N. Mikhailov, An Armenian gang on the road from Agdash to Kutkashen (Gabala) brutally killed an Azerbaijani named Bakhshali and his whole family. The bandits took off their skin and in this form hung corpses on the trees. 81


      December 1917 According to the report of the member of the Extraordinary Investigative Commission, N. Mikhailov, 5 bodies of Muslims stabbed with bayonets were found in Bagirsky Gorge. Then, near the Chamakhli station, the corpses of 22 Azerbaijani peasants who were killed in the same way were discovered. The eyes of the victims were gouged out. At about the same time, 8 corpses of Azerbaijanis, pierced with bayonets, with goggled eyes, were found in the village of Araby. Among them are women with cut breasts. Near the dead, the holy book of Muslims, the Koran, was trampled in manure. In the Azerbaijani village of Azakhsham, 9 women and 9 children were killed. In the Kurdish village of Kurd, 67 dead were found, the corpses of children were thrown into a ditch. According to the report of the member of the Extraordinary Investigation Commission N. Mikhailov, “the Armenians threw young children into the air and chopped them up with drafts”. In the same village of Kurd, Muslims were found in the houses, nailed to the walls with nails. The investigation established that all of these atrocities were perpetrated by an Armenian gang in the region.

      In the same year, according to academician Zia Buniyatov, an Armenian terrorist the organization “Dashnaktsutyun” in the cities of Trabzon, Bitlis, Erzurum inflicted a brutal massacre of the local population. The facts are confirmed by the reports of generals Przhevalsky and Odishelidze.


      I brought a small part of the crimes of the Armenian fascists!

      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-3.php
      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-4.php
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 28 2013 11: 36
        +2
        March-April 1918. Shamakhi. Azerbaijan. In the shamakhi villages, the crimes of the Armenian bandits from the Dashnaktsutyun terrorist organization were particularly cruel: the men were hung by their legs and chopped with sabers, like carcasses in a slaughterhouse. Others were tied to a wooden bed, wrapped in carpets or rugs, and, doused with kerosene, set on fire. Many were nailed alive to the floor, doors, tables. Of the collected religious books (mainly the Qur'an), huge bonfires were lit, in which clergymen threw tightly bound with a rope. And all this happened in front of the local Armenians, who applauded the beatings and killings. The sophistication of bandit torture is beyond description. Here is just one of them: limbs were cut off to a person and, with bayonets, they were forced to chew pieces of their own flesh ... As noted above, all these atrocities were committed by Armenian bandits on behalf of the Soviet Communist government, which often did not control the course of events on the ground.

        By order of Stepan Lalayev, the bodies of the dead were hanged on trees, among them there were many children's corpses. According to eyewitnesses, “if the woman’s necklace wasn’t removed, the head was chopped off with a knife. To get earrings, they ripped off their ears, and to take bracelets they chopped off the girls' hands, and finished off the children in the arms of their mothers. ”

        From the testimony of the Russian priest in Shamakhi, Ivan Fedorovich Bogomolov: “According to the stories of truthful and honest people, Stepan Lalaev killed women and children in the mosque and burned them. God forgive me for such a frank confession. ”120


        February 1915 Turkey. In the book of J. Malevil, “The Armenian Tragedy of 1915”, it is indicated that the number of civilian Muslim population of Eastern Anatolia, systematically destroyed by Armenian terrorist and bandit formations, barely reaches 1 people. According to the author, many Russian officers, outraged by this massacre, used force against Armenian thugs. Naturally, the atrocities and pogroms of the civilian population, coupled with the frank duplicity of Armenian propaganda, soon overflowed the patience of the Ottoman authorities, and on the order of the High Command on April 24, 1915, the Ministry of Internal Affairs ordered the immediate closure of all Armenian committees - terrorist organizations in Istanbul and other major Turkish cities.62
        March 18, 1918. Shamakhi. Azerbaijan. In the early morning, Armenian gangs broke into the Muslim part of the city. Burning houses, they killed famous public figures, intellectuals. Including with particular cruelty, the former member of the First State Duma of Russia Mammadtagi Aliyev was executed. People trying to escape from the fire were shot. The killings of civilians were accompanied by incredible torment and torment. On the streets lay the bodies of tortured women with cut breasts and open stomachs. Witnesses of those events were horrified by entire groups of dead children nailed to the ground with stakes. The streets, courtyards of mosques were littered with corpses. According to the member of the Extraordinary Investigative Commission A.F. Novatsky, the Armenian gangs smashing the Shamakhi were “inspired by one idea - to kill and rob, rob and kill.” 93
        September 1918 Armenian gangs, led by Andranik, activist of the Dashnaktsutyun terrorist organization, put all Azerbaijani villages of Sisian to fire. 50 thousand people were forced to leave their homes. Captured residents of the village of Garagyshlag were killed. In the village of Vagudy, women and children were subjected to inhuman torture, after which they were driven to mosques and burned alive. The men of the village of Aguda, who refused to accept Gregorianism, were brutally beaten, and the women were cut off their breasts. 7 men and women of Bagirbeyli village were locked in one of the peasant houses and burned alive.
        1. Guun
          Guun April 28 2013 12: 10
          +4
          History is such a thing that it is rewritten to please itself after a certain number of years and it is simply impossible to find the truth. Now it’s difficult to prove that all Armenians started, screamers from the West will shout down and even get a charge for denying the genocide of the poor poor Armenians in whose blood treason always flows. Is it not surprising why the genocide of blacks, Indians, Native Americans, and many many other things that Western jackals have done, no one wants to remember? In India alone, over 6 million Indians died because of the governor Lipton - he ordered ONLY tea to be grown in the fields, the result was that the main peasant masses of several provinces were starved to death. The truth is reluctant to discover, disadvantageous. The main thing that we know what happened and should be passed on that would be unforgettable, because if the west is weakening, then the east is gaining strength and vice versa.
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko April 28 2013 14: 45
            +2
            Quote: Guun
            The main thing is that we know what happened and should be passed on that would be unforgettable

            In the most "raisins" !!!!!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
          2. Mikado
            Mikado April 28 2013 14: 58
            +7
            To be honest, I’m very struck by the logic of some individuals here, on a fair thesis about the extermination of Armenian women, children, old people, giving a bunch of links, arguments and proving with foam at the mouth that all Armenians started, that they attacked and killed from the time of Ancient Rome , cut out, do you think this is an excuse for killing children and the elderly? The Red Army, when it entered Germany, did not rape, did not kill, did not drive anyone into concentration camps, in revenge for what was done by the Nazis (and even more so did not recall the barbarism of the German tribes of the times of Ancient Rome), the data of gentlemen justifying the Turkish genocide seem to have a mindset another, brain nationalism is called.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 28 2013 15: 06
              +2
              They consider themselves obligated to protect their closest allies.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 28 2013 15: 16
                0
                Quote: Spade
                They consider themselves obligated to protect their closest allies.

                No, we are also Turks!
                In those years, two brothers of my grandfather were killed !!
                having killed one of them, the Dashnaks threw them into the Kura River!
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov April 28 2013 15: 27
                  +4
                  If you consider justification for the destruction of the Armenian civilian population in response to the actions of the Dashnaks, then you are simply obliged to recognize their actions as correct.
                  Or do you assign only to your nation the exclusive right to repression against non-combatants?
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 28 2013 15: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    If you consider justification for the destruction of the Armenian civilian population in response to the actions of the Dashnaks, then you are simply obliged to recognize their actions as correct.

                    You are reading inattentively !!
                    Tell me, if during the war you at the front would know that your wife, the mother of the children was cut out, what would you do ??
                    The Turkish government decided to relocate Armenians from areas close to the front and to the capital to other cities on the outskirts of the empire and even gave protection, not numerous, but as they could !!
                    Gangs attacked them on the way and many Kurds attacked !!
                    Explain why hundreds and thousands of Armenians killed us in 1905 ??
                    1896 ??

                    The party "Armenian Revolutionary Federation Dashnaktsutyun" was created in 1890 in Tbilisi. The main goal of the party is to create “Great Armenia” in the territory of Azerbaijan (Nagorno-Karabakh and Nakhichevan) and Turkey (Anadolu). In 1892, in Tbilisi, at the first party congress, a decision was made to organize attempts on the Turks. It was after this congress that Dashnaktsutyun had the following motto: “Kill the Kurd and the Turk anywhere, in any conditions; kill Armenian traitors who refused to do this; take revenge! ”
                    1892 for WHAT REVENGE ?????
            2. Orthodox warrior
              Orthodox warrior April 28 2013 16: 33
              +5
              Mikado
              Do not be surprised, Igor! Here, as soon as a conversation about Armenia appears, one indefatigable Turk crawls out and begins to prove blue in the face that the Armenians are to blame for all the sins of mankind. Understand that these patients can no longer be cured!
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz April 28 2013 16: 52
                +7
                Quote: Orthodox warrior
                Mikado
                Do not be surprised, Igor! Here, as soon as a conversation about Armenia appears, one indefatigable Turk crawls out and begins to prove blue in the face that the Armenians are to blame for all the sins of mankind. Understand that these patients can no longer be cured!

                the problem is that Alibek explains things to the wrong people, he wrote a lot here, but whatever they say, the religious difference always makes itself felt.
                And sitting to prove Russian (CHRISTIAN) is useless.
                I respect his assertiveness. But having cited hundreds of arguments, official documents and the stories of Russian officers about the atrocities of Armenians there, the Armenians are right and the Muslims are not. Therefore, think so any way you want. Nothing will change. Everyone is free to choose.
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 April 28 2013 19: 22
                  +2
                  And the fact that the Armenian Zatikyan blew up the Moscow metro does not seem to matter to them either.
                  1. Apollo
                    Apollo April 28 2013 19: 28
                    +4
                    Quote: xetai9977
                    And the fact that the Armenian Zatikyan blew up the Moscow metro does not seem to matter to them either.


                    Did you mean that ?!

                  2. Anti
                    Anti April 28 2013 19: 59
                    +4
                    To this day, the materials of the criminal case of the explosion in the subway in 1977 remain classified, if not mistaken.
                  3. xetai9977
                    xetai9977 April 29 2013 08: 00
                    +1
                    MISTAKED. About 5 years ago, even a documentary was shown on the First Channel of Moscow television.
                2. Gari
                  Gari April 28 2013 21: 32
                  +1
                  Act like you yes
                  April 28, 2013
                  In Moscow, police detained wedding guests who shot in the air. Employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs conduct inspection of cars from the wedding procession - for the presence of weapons, reports RBC.

                  Previously, it was reported that unknown persons opened fire on the Warsaw highway, a plan for interception was introduced in the district. The press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs noted that several cars did not have state registration marks, and all the detainees turned out to be natives of Azerbaijan.
                3. Apollo
                  Apollo April 29 2013 00: 22
                  +3
                  Quote: Gari
                  Act like you yes
                  April 28, 2013
                  In Moscow, police detained wedding guests who shot in the air. Employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs conduct inspection of cars from the wedding procession - for the presence of weapons, reports RBC.

                  Previously, it was reported that unknown persons opened fire on the Warsaw highway, a plan for interception was introduced in the district. The press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs noted that several cars did not have state registration marks, and all the detainees turned out to be natives of Azerbaijan.


                  where are the links Harry, and now the trick. Look but only carefully

                  In Moscow, police detained wedding guests who shot in the air. Employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs conduct inspection of cars from the wedding procession - for the presence of weapons, reports RBC.

                  Previously, it was reported that unknown persons opened fire on the Warsaw highway, a plan for interception was introduced in the district. The press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs noted that several cars did not have state registration marks, and all the detainees turned out to be natives Armenia.

                  catch the difference ?! laughing
                4. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 April 29 2013 08: 07
                  0
                  What does the Armenian prove? he himself knows everything perfectly, but he never admits it. It is good that he does not say that the Sun is not the Sun, but an Armenian sunflower.
          3. Gari
            Gari April 28 2013 21: 31
            +2
            I’m interested in how you react to any topic related to the Armenians, with my nation and you are constantly trying to denigrate my nation. It was the subject of Genocide, and you shoot the arrows
            As for Zatikyan, it has already been proved that this case was rigged here is one of the witnesses
            One of the leaders of the underground Neocommunist Party of the Soviet Union, A. N. Tarasov, says in his memoirs that four months after the bombings, he was detained on suspicion of organizing them and released only after he proved his “three hundred percent” alibi (he was during the attack lying in the hospital). He also expresses doubts in the official version:

            ... since I remember being convinced that it was precisely this bomb that I blew up, I have strong doubts that Zatikyan and two of his comrades who were shot in this case did indeed detonate the bomb. As well as I have a strong suspicion that if there weren’t this “three hundred percent” alibi, instead of Zatikyan they would have shot me
          4. Apollo
            Apollo April 28 2013 22: 51
            0
            Quote: Gari
            I’m interested in how you react to any topic related to the Armenians, with my nation and are constantly trying to denigrate my nation


            yes, for God's sake Harry, it’s yours that I also composed ... comment on this at your leisure

          5. Apollo
            Apollo April 28 2013 22: 54
            +1
            Quote: Gari
            I’m interested in how you react to any topic related to the Armenians, with my nation and are constantly trying to denigrate my nation


            let Harry, according to yours, I also composed ........ If you have questions, then address Andrei Kuraev, the book is called "About hypocrisy".Read at your leisure.

          6. Stavros-dok
            Stavros-dok 2 May 2013 22: 41
            -4
            This video has the same relation to Andrey Kuraev, as Apollon to "Azerbaijan" laughing
  • Gari
    Gari April 28 2013 21: 24
    0
    Quote: Orthodox warrior
    Mikado
    Do not be surprised, Igor! Here, as soon as a conversation about Armenia appears, one indefatigable Turk crawls out and begins to prove blue in the face that the Armenians are to blame for all the sins of mankind. Understand that these patients can no longer be cured!

    I completely agree with a chronically sick person
    1. Orthodox warrior
      Orthodox warrior April 28 2013 22: 51
      +3
      Gari
      I do not even have any desire to argue with him! He considers facts that do not suit his person to be Armenian desa. Well, if not a patient? But as soon as he starts pouring mud on the Armenians ... everything, in short, has arrived. With the firmness of barah, she will prove to everyone here that the Armenians are fascists, and ..... - innocent victims! Put out the light! ..
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 April 28 2013 13: 42
    +1
    NOT YOU, dear, to protect the Armenians. In Guba (Azerbaijan) lie hundreds of victims of Jewish nationality carved by the Armenians. There is an open pantheon. The hatred of Turkey that you show should not overshadow common sense.
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 April 28 2013 13: 46
    0
    NOT YOU, dear, to protect the Armenians. In Guba (Azerbaijan) lie hundreds of victims of Jewish nationality carved by the Armenians. There is an open pantheon. The hatred of Turkey that you show should not overshadow common sense.
  • воронов
    воронов April 28 2013 19: 19
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Armenian women, old people and children were also partisans?

    The thing is that the partisans "take" outside of gender and without limiting the age limit laughing
  • Dilshat
    Dilshat April 29 2013 00: 18
    0
    The raven will not peck out the crow.
  • Dilshat
    Dilshat April 29 2013 00: 18
    +1
    raven crow will not gouge out the crow.
  • Dilshat
    Dilshat April 29 2013 00: 19
    0
    Two ravens will agree.
  • RUSSIA 2013
    RUSSIA 2013 April 29 2013 06: 36
    +1
    interestingly, this little firebrake. although he knows where Armenia is located. But no doubt, there are no Armenians and her ladies from the Karobakh, from the Turks and from the Azeris.
  • ed65b
    ed65b April 29 2013 16: 36
    0
    As soon as they recognize, claims with material claims will immediately go to the courts and I think the amounts will be very impressive, which is why they will not be recognized. Germany is an example.
  • tomket
    tomket April 28 2013 08: 36
    +5
    Interestingly, what is the term of genocide from the point of view of the Turks? and what do they think is one-sided?
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 April 28 2013 09: 07
      +3
      Quote: tomket
      Interestingly, what is the term of genocide from the point of view of the Turks? and what do they think is one-sided?

      I’m not a Turk, but I’ll try to answer you with the example of the Vietnam War. The number of dead civilians in this war is more than 2 million, plus more than one and a half million military.Total more than 3,5 million Vietnamese. What is it called in your opinion? ....
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 28 2013 09: 24
        +2
        Here the comparison is somewhat incorrect.
        More like the internment of the Japanese in the United States during WWII. If the Americans carried out this operation with the same number of victims and with the same active participation of the population in the destruction of the "Japanese Americans", then yes, it would be possible to put an equal sign
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 April 28 2013 09: 35
          +8
          Quote: Spade
          Here the comparison is somewhat incorrect.

          Yeah, it means that it’s not right with the Vietnamese, but with the Jews, then? I’m generally silent about the Kosovo Albanians, it’s possible to list Bosnians there for a long time ... Although everyone has long known that in the last two cases the genocide was precisely on their part against the Serbs.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 28 2013 09: 48
            +2
            I don't quite understand you. Do you think that the Turks acted absolutely correctly by organizing these "death marches" for the citizens of their country of Armenian nationality?
            1. Aleks28
              Aleks28 April 28 2013 09: 58
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              I don't quite understand you. Do you think that the Turks acted absolutely correctly by organizing these "death marches" for the citizens of their country of Armenian nationality?

              Have you seen somewhere that I am blocking off the Turks? I just want to say why he (Obama) smokes his smoked snout if it (snout) is near the bottom.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 28 2013 10: 28
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              I don't quite understand you. Do you think that the Turks acted absolutely correctly by organizing these "death marches" for the citizens of their country of Armenian nationality?

              Simeon Lehatsi, who went on a trip through the cities and villages of the Ottoman Empire, emphasized that there, under Muslim rule, the Christian Armenians had no reason for discomfort. He wrote: “During the reign of the Greeks, not a single Armenian entered Istanbul. When the Turks took Istanbul, they brought invitations and persuasion from many areas of the Armenians. In exactly the same way, the Turks took away the large and magnificent lands from the Greeks and handed them over to the Armenians ”(Simeon Lehatsi. Decree. Op., P. 145-146).

              The Russian Caucasian scholar N.N. Shavrov pointed out that as early as the beginning of the 1911th century the Ottoman government took care of all its subjects, including the Armenians (Shavrov N.N. A new threat to the Russian cause in Transcaucasia. St. Petersburg, 114, p. 116, XNUMX).

              In this regard, we recall that the Greeks considered the Armenians as their main enemies, because it was Byzantium that twice deprived them of national statehood. The first time was in the 1988th century, when Byzantium and the Sassanid Empire defeated the Armenian state in Asia Minor and divided its territory among themselves; in the XI century, the same Byzantium again liquidated the Armenian Ani kingdom restored in the IX century in the same Asia Minor (Yuzbashyan K.N. Armenian states of the Bagratid era and Byzantium of the IX-XI centuries. Moscow, 4, pp. 6-234, XNUMX).
              By the way, it is worth noting the following remark by Simeon Lehatsi, who, in connection with the long stay of the Armenians within the Muslim states in the 145th century, drew attention to the following very important circumstance: “Greeks are very evil and unjust, and the worst enemies of Armenians. At the sight of us they spat and shouted “shikli”, which means “dog” or “heretic”. Greeks are the original enemies of the Armenians. How much evil they brought down on the heads of our ancestors, how they destroyed the kingdom of Armenia. I don’t know how we deserved that, with the exception of the Greeks, all nations, both believers and unbelievers, love us, although our people do not have unanimity, and the Armenians do not love each other, which made them known ”(Simeon Lehatsi. Decree. Op. Op. ., p. 146-XNUMX).
              Thus, the main enemy of the Christian Armenians was the Christian power, because of which the Armenians twice lost their own statehood: in the IV and XI centuries. As a result, they have not had it for more than 1.400 years.

              Dear Lopatov, alas, you are not aware of what happened !!
              Read the memoirs of Lieutenant Colonel Tverdokhlebov, notes of the Vice Consul of Russia General Mayevsky and probably a lot of things will become clear to you !!

              http://savash-az.com/qarabag/doc/8.htm
              http://journaleast.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/zapiskigeneralnoqokonsula/
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov April 28 2013 15: 05
                +5
                That is, the Armenians themselves are to blame. And the punishment of all Armenians for the actions of their small part is justified.
                Such views can get very far, do not you think?
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay April 28 2013 15: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  That is, the Armenians themselves are to blame.

                  The elite of the Armenian people is to blame!
                  and the Armenian people themselves are also a victim!
                  Quote: Spade
                  And the punishment of all Armenians for the actions of their small part is justified

                  Who's talking about that !?
                  I say that it was a tragedy of both the Armenian and Turkish peoples!
                  Hundreds of thousands were killed on both sides !!
                  Quote: Spade
                  Such views can get very far, do not you think?

                  My views and convictions elevated me only to correct affairs!
              2. воронов
                воронов April 28 2013 19: 29
                -5
                Quote: Yarbay
                as early as the beginning of the 20th century, the Ottoman government took care of all its subjects, including the Armenians

                The Armenians themselves provoked the events in Turkey in 1915.
              3. xtur
                xtur April 29 2013 03: 55
                0
                facts show that in Byzantium there were as many emperors of Armenians as there were Greeks.
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 April 29 2013 10: 51
                  +1
                  WELL, TYPICAL Armenian position. And Byzantium turned out to be Armenian. Yeah, megalomania .....
      2. Egoza
        Egoza April 28 2013 09: 30
        +3
        Quote: Allex28
        Total more than 3,5 million Vietnamese. What is it called in your opinion? ....

        Well, and who was officially accused of this genocide?
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 April 28 2013 09: 43
          +3
          Quote: Egoza
          Well, and who was officially accused of this genocide?

          No one request , they brought dem.values, but it’s clear along the way they all lost laughing
      3. zennon
        zennon April 28 2013 10: 34
        -1
        Allex28
        Combat and non-combat irretrievable losses are called. This is me about Vietnam.
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 April 28 2013 10: 55
          0
          Quote: zennon
          Combat and non-combat irretrievable losses are called. This is me about Vietnam.

          Here, in fact, the topic of genocide is discussed, and the concept of genocide is applicable only to civilians or prisoners of war.
          1. zennon
            zennon April 28 2013 11: 09
            +1
            Allex28
            So then there is nothing more than one and a half million military to drag in.
        2. воронов
          воронов April 28 2013 19: 31
          0
          Quote: zennon
          Combat and non-combat irreparable loss is called.

          There is such a thing in the army as casual and non-combat losses, irrevocable it is killed
      4. wax
        wax April 28 2013 12: 35
        +2
        I am not a Vietnamese, but I’ll try to name what it is called. The destruction by barbaric means of more civilians than military, although in conditions of hostilities, can be called the genocide of the Vietnamese people by the states. And the need to answer such questions keeps some from recognizing the obvious. The Germans carried out genocide against the Soviet people. The Americans carried out genocide against the Indians. But we have only one people chosen for recognition of the genocide.

        Look here what is happening now in the land of Vietnam after the monstrous crimes of the American military:
        http://doseng.org/2007/06/21/zhertvy_jada_spustja_desjatiletija_vo_vetname_rozhd
        ajutsja_detiurody.html
        What is happening in Iraq?
        http://www.irak-2003.ru/publ/stati_vojny_v_irake/o_vojne_v_irake/obzor_grazhdans
        kikh_posledstvij_i_razrushenij / 3-1-0-68
        What's this? Not a crime against humanity? Not genocide?
        1. zennon
          zennon April 28 2013 14: 21
          +2
          wax
          Do not confuse. Genocide refers to the planned depopulation of a population in a specific territory according to certain signs — racial, ethnic, religious,

          Even age-related, beating infants, for example. Nothing under the action of pin dos in Vietnam does. The action of the defoliants is terrible, but then they did not realize the long-term negative consequences.
          They used DDT in themselves, and not only. Just don’t think that I justify them, nothing like that.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 10: 20
      -2
      Quote: tomket
      and what do they think is one-sided?

      The Central Jersey newspaper in the US state of New Jersey published an appeal from a member of the Pax Turcica Institute, Philomena Iorio Tasoluk, in which she welcomed state laws on the study of crimes against humanity, including the Holocaust, genocides in Srebrenica and Rwanda.

      According to AzerTAc, the author of the appeal casts doubt on the bill of the State House of Representatives No. 176 and the Senate No. 47 on including the study of the so-called "Armenian genocide" in the secondary school curriculum, which has been in effect since 1949.
      The appeal says that the fact of the extermination of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire was not established, as required by the 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. In addition, the International Court of Justice of the United Nations, as the main UN body for determining the use of the term "genocide", did not get down to business and did not make conclusions on the so-called "Armenian genocide". It goes on to say that the American government did not recognize the fact of the "Armenian genocide".
      The author of the letter also notes that between 1914 and 1922 523955 Turks, Kurds, Azerbaijanis and other Muslims were exterminated by armed groups of Armenian nationalistsplanning to create their own state on the territories of other states in Anatolia and the Caucasus. Consequently, the author of the letter concludes, if the unproven "Armenian genocide" is indicated in the bills of the Senate and the House of Representatives, then they should also include a provision on the massacres of the Turks.
      In addition
      March 31, 1918, according to the old calendar - March 21, on Novruz holiday, in a short time, Armenian groups led by Shaumyan destroyed over 50 Muslim people - Azerbaijanis, Lezghins, as well as Jews and representatives of other peoples.

      Details: http://www.1news.az/analytics/20110331125039030.html
      Here are the events of 1905!
      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-3.php
      and here is the apogee of the event and the massacre of 1918 !! When tens of thousands of civilians were killed in one day on March 31 in Baku
      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-4.php
      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-5.php
      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-6.php
      http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-7.php
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak April 28 2013 12: 47
        0
        Quote: Yarbay
        March 31, 1918, according to the old calendar - March 21, on Novruz holiday

        Is anyone interested in this? It was not interesting what happened before Sumgait and Baku. Sorry for gross sarcasm. After all, more attention is paid to what the media say.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 28 2013 13: 09
          +1
          Quote: Hedgehog
          It was not interesting what happened before Sumgait and Baku

          So is anyone really interested in what was happening in Sumgait ??
          But how did the refugees from Armenia end up there ??
          How many Azerbaijanis were killed in Armenia before Sumgait ??
          Do you know that one of the organizers of those pogroms was the Armenian Edward Grigoryan?
          That his gang killed the 6th and raped three!
          What was the arrest of three Armenians who actively provoked refugees to pogroms and participated ??
          these are facts that were not talked about to create a certain situation!
          In Baku, I myself saw everything with my own eyes!
          The city was full of BB soldiers, they patrolled the streets!
          Before the events, they simply disappeared from the streets !!
          specially prepared groups were engaged in pogroms!

          In principle, you are right!
          1. воронов
            воронов April 28 2013 19: 36
            -2
            Quote: Yarbay
            how did the refugees from Armenia end up there ?? How many Azerbaijanis were killed in Armenia before Sumgait ??

            Armenians themselves provoked events in Sumgatiye and in Baku
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 28 2013 23: 40
              0
              [quote = voronov] Armenians themselves provoked events in Sumgati and in Baku
              not only on the right, but also organized, and these are the facts !!
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 28 2013 13: 20
          -1
          Quote: Hedgehog
          It was not interesting what happened before Sumgait




          with 3 38 about Grigoryan and shots of his interrogation!
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 28 2013 13: 22
          +1
          Quote: Hedgehog
          It was not interesting what happened before Sumgait




          with 3 38 about Grigoryan and shots of his interrogation!
      2. xtur
        xtur April 29 2013 04: 03
        +1
        I wonder what kind of Shaumyan are we talking about? About the one who led the Baku commune? Among these communards were people of different nationalities.
        In general, on a national basis, the Communists never slaughtered anyone
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 April 28 2013 08: 39
    +4
    probably the little black one simply indicates the place of the Turks. they say that we will use you, but not vice versa, but you endure and accept the fulfillment of the owner’s desire
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 April 28 2013 08: 45
      10
      Quote: andrei332809
      probably the little black one simply indicates the place of the Turks. they say that we will use you, but not vice versa, but you endure and accept the fulfillment of the owner’s desire

      No, it's just that the pro-Armenian lobby is very strong in the mattress.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 April 28 2013 09: 01
        +2
        Quote: Allex28
        uh, it's just that the pro-Armenian lobby is very strong in the mattress.

        I do not think that there is a lobby by nationality. in the pin-do-these are all "Ivans who do not remember kinship." There is a lobby only for interests. this is my personal opinion, maybe it is not right
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 April 28 2013 09: 13
          +7
          Quote: andrei332809
          I don’t think that there is a lobby by ethnicity

          Maybe there is no pro-Jewish lobby in the mattress? Jewish and Armenian are the two most powerful nations. striped lobby.
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 April 28 2013 09: 17
            +2
            Quote: Allex28
            Maybe there is no pro-Jewish lobby in the mattress?

            but how much is it pro-Jewish? rather, pro-monetary.
            1. Aleks28
              Aleks28 April 28 2013 09: 19
              +4
              Quote: andrei332809
              but how much is it pro-Jewish? rather, pro-monetary.

              Judging by Israel, it’s even pro-Jewish. wink
              1. andrei332809
                andrei332809 April 28 2013 09: 31
                0
                Quote: Allex28
                Judging by Israel, even pro-Jewish

                I would not judge by Israel. with very big money or problems, this notorious lobby will throw Israeli Jews under the tanks without hesitation
      2. Heccrbq
        Heccrbq April 28 2013 09: 28
        0
        Is the pro-Turkish weak?
    2. Hudo
      Hudo April 28 2013 09: 21
      +3
      Quote: andrei332809
      probably the little black one simply indicates the place of the Turks. they say that we will use you, but not vice versa, but you endure and accept the fulfillment of the owner’s desire


      The American ember, acts like a thief, shouting louder than anyone: "Stop thief!", So that his own bloody art around the world does not become a topic of discussion and condemnation. The striped reptile plays ahead of the curve.
  • kress42rus
    kress42rus April 28 2013 09: 20
    +7
    since such a booze has gone, let's demand to the heap from the Poles, from the Georgians, from the Tatars, from the Germans, who are the Swedes, and indeed, if you recall all the insults, you can stay without eyes !!!
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 April 28 2013 09: 22
      +8
      Quote: kress42rus
      since such a booze has gone, let's demand to the heap from the Poles, from the Georgians, from the Tatars, from the Germans, who are the Swedes, and indeed, if you recall all the insults, you can stay without eyes !!!

      So, after all, we demand request but your train of thought is correct wink
    2. zennon
      zennon April 28 2013 10: 47
      0
      And require! All the preferences of Nigeria in the mattress are provided with an eye on rabstvo.No in this case, the whole world can claim from each other the fact of recognition of the genocide.
    3. wax
      wax April 28 2013 12: 51
      +1
      Require? You can not demand. But history must call a spade a spade.

      "51. But most important of all, the historian's mind should resemble a mirror, clean, shiny and properly polished; how it takes images of things, it should reflect this way, without showing anything twisted, or incorrectly colored, or changed. The task of historians is not the same as from the orators; what needs to be talked about should be told as it really is. After all, all this has already happened, - you just need to arrange everything and state ... "

      Lucian of Samosata. "How to write a story." Translation S.V. Tolstoy.
      Lucian lived in the 2nd century AD.
  • Borat
    Borat April 28 2013 09: 22
    +9
    And in my opinion the Americans would first deal with the genocide of the Indians - the indigenous people of North America.
    1. kress42rus
      kress42rus April 28 2013 09: 29
      +1
      it’s for sure they’re snout in the fluff themselves, therefore, probably they pull the cat for an interesting place !!!
    2. vilenich
      vilenich April 28 2013 09: 32
      +2
      Quote: Borat
      And in my opinion the Americans would first deal with the genocide of the Indians - the indigenous people of North America.

      Yah! You will advise such! The Americans will teach everyone, set their brains on everyone, sympathize with genocide, the Holocaust, the Holodomor, but they will never voice their art on a global scale, both from the past and from the present. They are sinless, and even capable of expounding (as they believe) the ultimate truth.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza April 28 2013 09: 33
      +4
      Quote: Borat
      And in my opinion the Americans would first deal with the genocide of the Indians - the indigenous people of North America.

      And here are the pipes! You talk to any American about this - they are so offended! "We brought them civilization!" (Well, that the people were destroyed, so there is still left on the reservations).
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS April 28 2013 11: 02
        +3
        Quote: Borat
        And in my opinion the Americans would first deal with the genocide of the Indians - the indigenous people of North America.

        Not only Indians but also farmers!
    4. zennon
      zennon April 28 2013 10: 55
      +2
      In 2009, the US Congress included in the Defense Expenditures Act a statement apologizing to the US Indians for "the many incidents of violence, abuse, and neglect that United States citizens were subjected to."
      But they do not recognize the fact of genocide.
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 April 28 2013 10: 59
        +3
        Quote: zennon
        In 2009, the US Congress included in the Defense Expenditures Act a statement apologizing to the US Indians for "the many incidents of violence, abuse, and neglect that United States citizens were subjected to."

        Oh, what darling they are, these mattresses crying . am laughing
    5. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq April 28 2013 11: 22
      +1
      Quote: Borat
      americos would first deal with indian genocide

      That's for sure, the UN must pass a resolution:
      1. Return the American Indians to their territory.
      2. Compensate for all damage caused by it.
      3. To return all African-Americans to their historical homeland with compensation (from where they were exported as slaves).
      Perhaps this is enough .........
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak April 28 2013 12: 39
        +2
        Quote: ziqzaq
        3. Return all African Americans to their historical homeland with compensation.

        Do those African Americans want backwards to come back ??? I'm playing something. I’m getting very busy! smile
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 April 28 2013 13: 34
          +6
          the word they have invented is "African American". Why is this white "white", and a black man (in Latin, black) "African American"? These amers have gone too far with their "political correctness"
      2. Renat
        Renat April 29 2013 05: 33
        0
        And what to do with parent No. 1 and No. 2. Where to put them? Maybe to France?
  • Renat
    Renat April 28 2013 09: 28
    +4
    Condemning the Turks, their own allies, the amers again play in democracy. Looking away from his genocide in relation to many peoples of the world. In the States themselves, you can easily go to jail if you offend a dog with a cat or some other animal and it’s a completely different matter when they themselves bomb peaceful cities and cause death over the heads of ordinary people. Yugoslavia Iraq Syria ... The list goes on. Who recognizes this as genocide? Maybe the Turks?
  • svp67
    svp67 April 28 2013 09: 33
    +2
    Every year on April 24, the US President makes a traditional appeal to the Armenian people about the Armenian Genocide at the beginning of the last century.

    Politics, and nothing but politics. There is a simple "flirtation" with the Armenian diaspora, because everyone knows that it is one of the most well-off financially ...
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. April 28 2013 09: 38
    +2
    ... “Today we celebrate“ Metz Yegern ”(which means“ great massacre ”in Armenian) and honor the memory of those who died in one of the most terrible atrocities of the 20th century. 98 years ago, in the last days of the Ottoman Empire, one and a half a million Armenians were killed or sent to death "...

    Damn, however, Americans like to talk about others, about Indians and their "wonderful" reservations, they don't remember something so often ...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo April 28 2013 09: 51
      +2
      Quote: Bulls.
      ... “Today we celebrate“ Metz Yegern ”(which means“ great massacre ”in Armenian) and honor the memory of those who died in one of the most terrible atrocities of the 20th century. 98 years ago, in the last days of the Ottoman Empire, one and a half a million Armenians were killed or sent to death "...

      Damn, however, Americans like to talk about others, about Indians and their "wonderful" reservations, they don't remember something so often ...


      Today we celebrate ____________________ and honor the memory of those who died in one of the most terrible atrocities __________________________________, __________ were killed or sent to death.

      The standard cliché of the fighters for peace and democracy based on pin-dosovskie templates smeared in human blood. They write in the spaces the name you need at the moment - and the new enemy of the shit democracy is named.
  • radio operator
    radio operator April 28 2013 09: 40
    +2
    He also noted the indomitable spirit and great strength of the Armenian people "in the face of great misfortune and suffering." As we see, Barack Obama did not utter the word “genocide” again, despite his election promises to recognize the Armenian Genocide.

    Yes, politics outweighed common sense. Not in the first.
  • taseka
    taseka April 28 2013 10: 22
    +4
    All about genocide! And Jews and Armenians and even Vietnamese! Only the Russians are silent about how the Nazis killed them!
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 28 2013 10: 32
      +8
      Quote: taseka
      All about genocide! And Jews and Armenians and even Vietnamese! Only the Russians are silent about how the Nazis killed them!
      And somehow it is forgotten that in that war Belarus lost every fourth inhabitant ...
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 April 28 2013 10: 43
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        And somehow it is forgotten that in that war Belarus lost every fourth inhabitant ...

        Nothing is forgotten, we are simply not used to cutting loot and PR for the memory of our fathers and grandfathers.
  • Anton Russian
    Anton Russian April 28 2013 11: 07
    +2
    Why doesn’t anyone talk about the Russian genocide in the Second World War ... There was genocide there. Yes, such that ... well, you know.
  • Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 April 28 2013 11: 42
    +2
    Quote: Egoza
    So Obama is so streamlined and speaks.

    He has such a job, to speak in common phrases. Begin to speak according to his beliefs (if he has them), he probably will not live until the evening. bully
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 April 28 2013 12: 54
    +3
    Quote: morpod
    WHY Armenian mountain ARARAT (!) Became Turkish ???

    Is it written on the mountain that it is Armenian?
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko April 28 2013 16: 02
      0
      Quote: xetai9977
      it's written on the mountain that she is Armenian

      Smiled.
      In the photo of the village of Tashbulatovo Bashkiria. In Google from space it is visible, almost the Chinese wall or the Egyptian pyramids. hi
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 April 28 2013 13: 10
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Armenian women, old people and children were also partisans?

    NOT YOU, dear, to protect the Armenians. In Guba (Azerbaijan) lie hundreds of victims of Jewish nationality carved by the Armenians. There is an open pantheon. your hatred of Turkey should not overshadow common sense.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay April 28 2013 13: 49
    +2
    **** In early 2003, ICCPP concluded that the events of 1915 completely fall under all definitions of genocide and the use of this term is justified. **** -in the same year, the ICCPR, as well as DVPLAA, declared that those events did not fall under the definition of genocide!))
  • George
    George April 28 2013 14: 18
    +1
    Hello all.
    “We value this lesson in the United States as we strive to come to terms with one of the darkest moments in our own history,” said President Obama.

    It is probably he who is so streamlined about the genocide of the Indians.
    In the 2001 year, the joint Turkish-Armenian Reconciliation Commission contacted the International Center for Transitional Justice for an independent conclusion on whether the events of the 1915 of the year are genocide.

    Funny and bitter. Do you need a certain number of victims or what? Or some way to kill? I h..y from such expressions.
    1. zennon
      zennon April 28 2013 14: 38
      +3
      George
      No, it is necessary to have a plan, documentary evidence of orders, instructions for the destruction of the population, and reports on their implementation. Reports can be neutral, not necessarily executors, but documentary obligatory. Jurisprudence, her mother ...
  • CreepyUknow
    CreepyUknow April 28 2013 14: 30
    +4
    And why are they stubborn ... Most annoying when people do not want to face the truth.
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov April 28 2013 14: 53
    0
    For the Armenian question, we need not a page, but a section - there are fewer comments on the end of the world.
  • Humpty
    Humpty April 28 2013 14: 55
    +5
    The genocide of the peoples of Eastern Europe, Armenians, the burning of Byzantine libraries. The Turks have enough arrogance to not recognize anything.
  • George
    George April 28 2013 15: 27
    +2
    Quote: zennon
    George
    Jurisprudence, her mother ...

    That's it, just a feeling that if you do not say the word "genocide", then it did not mean.
    Who pays, he orders the calm.
  • igor12
    igor12 April 28 2013 15: 34
    +1
    It was strange that I remembered the Armenian genocide, but I didn't even mention a word about the genocide of the people in Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan by the special services and the US army. What can you say about such a two-faced person "scoundrel" and that's it.
  • igor12
    igor12 April 28 2013 15: 34
    0
    It was strange that I remembered the Armenian genocide, but I didn't even mention a word about the genocide of the people in Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan by the special services and the US army. What can you say about such a two-faced person "scoundrel" and that's it.
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 28 2013 15: 43
    -2

    In his address, President Obama emphasized that by recognizing the painful elements of their past, nations are becoming stronger and thus creating the basis for a more and more tolerant future. “We value this lesson in the United States as we strive to come to terms with one of the darkest moments in our own history,” said President Obama.

    He remembered that about the Indians. They killed all the Indians, and now he is babbling about a tolerant future - in the sense that they will destroy everyone, and we must endure and be grateful to them for this - Iron Jewish logic. But the fact that they decided to play the "Armenian" card is alarming. Not for a tolerant future. They are laying softly, but there are a lot of Armenians in Russia, where do not you look around "..Yan" and in a decent position. "I am tormented by vague doubts - Does Shpak have a tape recorder, does the ambassador have a medallion?"
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz April 28 2013 17: 45
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78YeewJXHc4[media=www.youtube.com/watch?v=78YeewJ
    XHc4]
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz April 28 2013 18: 10
    0
    [media = www.youtube.com / watch? v = 78YeewJXHc4]
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz April 28 2013 18: 11
    0

    The Greeks and Armenians seem to have one enemy, well, very much do not carve out each other, especially the Greeks of Armenians)))
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz April 28 2013 18: 12
    0

    There is a more complete version with 4 minutes more interesting))
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz April 28 2013 18: 14
    +1

    Greeks and Armenians seem to have a common enemy, but no, they do not like each other, especially the Greeks of Armenians)
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 28 2013 18: 21
      +2
      Quote: Yeraz
      The Greeks

      Congratulations on the initiative !!!))))
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz April 28 2013 18: 14
    0

    here is a more complete version, see after 4 minutes, more interesting))
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz April 28 2013 18: 15
    +1

    It seems that the Greeks and Armenians should be friendly in front of a common historical, but no, they do not like each other, especially the Greeks of Armenians))
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz April 28 2013 18: 26
    +3
    Quote: Yarbay
    Quote: Yeraz
    The Greeks

    Congratulations on the initiative !!!))))

    Yes, the incomprehension came out when I loaded the second first one, it disappeared, I’ll see it loaded several times)))
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 April 28 2013 18: 43
    +1
    That the United States, that Turkey - the country of misunderstanding, as many people have destroyed and continue to destroy the innocent, this same genocide to carry out.
  • Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich April 28 2013 20: 24
    +5
    The fact of the Armenian genocide in the Ottoman Empire is obvious to everyone, but how hypocritical are the politicians.
  • Black
    Black April 28 2013 22: 02
    +6
    What conclusion can be drawn ..
    Genocide is a political concept, and therefore declared not by defining signs, but by the necessity of political moment. The life of ordinary people does not cost anything, and the memory of the victims tears in the ticks of political correctness.
  • Artmark
    Artmark April 29 2013 00: 04
    +1
    ALL GOD IS JUDGING !!!!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo April 29 2013 00: 29
      0
      Quote: ArtMark
      ALL GOD IS JUDGING !!!!


      three words and two mistakes in a nutshell, no shame ?! laughing

      God is the judge to all, or rather !!!
      1. Artmark
        Artmark April 29 2013 21: 27
        +1
        you should be ashamed!
    2. Day 11
      Day 11 April 29 2013 00: 31
      +4
      It’s not so simple for them (it doesn’t fit into the system-CHRISTIANINE --- MUSLIMIN). But the thing is something else ... It seems to me that the point is in the territorial issue, you don’t need to touch them, you have to figure it out yourself (the main thing is that we wouldn’t kill each other). We all left the same system. And the Homeland that we all want to create (recreate) --- there must be one. And It Will !!!
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS April 29 2013 10: 55
    -1
    I have no special respect for either one or the other. The glory of their mutual cunning is worldwide. Both sides acted in the same way. Only now the Armenians turned out to be more fearful at that time and eventually fled all over the world. Now they are "bolder", the Russian bayonets, as in the past, is a good argument in an old dispute. But does Russia need it? Speculation on the common faith and "brotherhood" of peoples is no longer even funny ...
  • ed65b
    ed65b April 29 2013 16: 51
    0
    Psheki Russia is also urged to recognize the "genocide" in Katyn, the Ukrainians of Glodomor recognize the genocide in the queue of the Baltic countries, the Circassians, etc. Create a precedent and everything went ... The Ottomans during their history were a great empire and they did a lot of things, so now all of them are doing genocide ??? The Balkans are still shuddering from one memory. therefore they never recognize and never recognize.
  • darksoul
    darksoul April 29 2013 20: 50
    +1
    Americans just do nothing ... what is the implication? the Armenians are our allies .. to lubricate the Armenians? Turks are allies of the USA ... crap allies?
  • Abwehr
    Abwehr April 30 2013 03: 18
    0
    and who destroyed the Indians ???