How troops were dealt with during the Great Patriotic War

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How troops were dealt with during the Great Patriotic War
Not one step back! USSR postage stamp, April 1945 issue. Illustration by G. Savitsky.


The question of the survival of the state and the people


In the summer of 1941, when tank The Wehrmacht's spearheads were pushing toward Leningrad, Moscow, and Kyiv, and the situation at the front was critical. The Soviet front was in danger of collapsing completely.



By mid-August 1941, the number of Red Army soldiers captured numbered in the hundreds of thousands. The Bialystok, Minsk, and Uman pockets were only the most notorious. From June 22 to the end of 1941 alone, the NKVD detained over 710 military deserters and over 71 draft dodgers.

On August 16, 1941, the Supreme Command Headquarters issued Order No. 270, aimed at preventing cowardice on the battlefield. The measures contained in this order were neither unique in international practice nor overly strict.

The full title of Order No. 270 was: “On the responsibility of military personnel for surrendering and abandoning the enemy.” weapons"The document bore the signatures of Stalin, Molotov, Marshals Budyonny, Voroshilov, Timoshenko, Shaposhnikov and Zhukov.

The order paid tribute to the courage and heroism of our troops, but also reported on opposite examples, when cowardice, desertion and betrayal led to the defeat of our army with mass surrenders.

The soldiers faced a choice: continue fighting to the end, without laying down their arms, "without sparing their blood or their very lives, until complete victory over the enemy" (from the text of the military oath), or, saving their lives, surrender.

During the period of anti-Soviet ideology, a "black" myth prevailed that the mass surrender of Red Army soldiers was due to their unwillingness to die for the "hated Bolshevik regime." Therefore, NKVD troops were forced to form blocking detachments to execute Red Army soldiers, and penal companies and battalions were formed. Literally, "to overwhelm the enemy with corpses."

In fact, there's nothing new under the sun. It's a characteristic of the human psyche: no one wants to die. And manifestations of cowardice in the ranks of the military have always been combated, sometimes with great brutality.

Deserters have been punished harshly since ancient times. Barrier detachments existed as far back as the time of Ancient Persia and Alexander the Great.

The Greek historian Xenophon, in his 4th-century BC work, Cyropaedia, wrote about the rear rank in the vast army of the Persian king Cyrus the Great, whose function was to "encourage those who do their duty, restrain the faint-hearted with threats, and punish with death all who intend to turn to the rear, instilling more fear in cowards than in the enemy."

Xenophon also explains the psychological necessity of the barrier detachment:

A crowd of people, when full of confidence, evokes indomitable courage, but if people are cowards, then the more of them there are, the more terrible and panicky fear they succumb to.

In ancient Rome, there was a phenomenon known as decimation. A large unit was punished for cowardice on the battlefield by executing every tenth member, without any investigation into their personal guilt or innocence, in disgrace. Before execution, those sentenced were publicly flogged with rods. Desertion also carried the penalty of confiscation of property, death, or sale into slavery.

In the army-horde of Genghis Khan, they acted even more cruelly: for the flight of ten warriors from the battlefield, an order could follow to execute the entire hundred in which the cowards served.

In Japanese tradition, the concept of "captivity" for samurai warriors was practically nonexistent. A samurai defeated on the battlefield was expected to smile and announce his name to the victor, then commit seppuku (harakiri). A warrior who fled the battlefield condemned himself to such contempt from those around him that it precluded his and his family's continued honorary status as nobles.

Nothing changed later. Deserters were always harshly punished. There were separate units that maintained order and discipline (like the military police today) and served as barrier detachments.

Thus, in Tsarist Russia during the First World War, Cossack blocking detachments operating on horseback were formed, followed by infantry machine-gun units known as "death battalions." Regular, but more reliable, units were also assigned as blocking detachments, with orders to open fire on soldiers fleeing their positions without orders.

Barrier detachments performed similar functions during the Civil War. They were formed from units of the Cheka, special forces units (ChON), often internationalist soldiers, and detachments of former Austro-Hungarian, Latvian, Chinese, and other prisoners of war.


A Soviet poster from the Russian Civil War. L. O. Pasternak, 1919.

Great War


By NKVD order No. 00941 of July 19, 1941, separate rifle platoons were created in special departments of divisions and corps, and companies in special departments of armies, and battalions in fronts, which were staffed with NKVD troops.

These units and became the so-called "protective units." They had the right to organize a barrage service in order to exclude the flight of deserters, to carefully check the documents of all military personnel, to detain and detain investigators (during 12 hours) and to transfer the case to the military tribunal. To send laggards in their units, in exceptional cases, for immediate restoration of order at the front, the head of the special department received the right to shoot deserters.

The barrier detachments were also supposed to identify and destroy enemy agents and check those who had escaped from German captivity.

As a result, barrier detachments performed a vital function during the Great Patriotic War, detaining deserters and suspicious individuals (including spies, saboteurs, and Nazi agents). In critical situations, they engaged the enemy themselves. They also fought bandits, including nationalist groups in the Baltics.

During the brutal battle for Moscow, which decided the outcome of the war, Stavka, at the request of General Eremenko, commander of the Bryansk Front, on September 5, 1941, authorized the creation of barrier detachments in those divisions that had proven unstable. A week later, this practice was extended to all fronts. The detachments consisted of one battalion per division and one company per regiment.

They reported to the division commander and had vehicles for movement, several armored vehicles, and tanks. Their task was to assist commanders and maintain discipline and order within the units. They had the authority to use weapons to stop flight and eliminate those who instigated panic.

That is, their difference from the barrier detachments of special NKVD departments, which were created to combat deserters and suspicious elements, is that the army detachments were created to prevent unauthorized flight of units. They were larger (a battalion per division, not a platoon), and were staffed not by NKVD soldiers, but by Red Army soldiers. They had the authority to execute those who initiated panic and flight, but not to shoot those fleeing.

After the turning point in the war (the Battle of Kursk), the barrier detachments effectively assumed the functions of commandant companies, guarding headquarters, communication lines, and roads. On October 29, 1944, by order of the People's Commissar of Defense, Stalin, the barrier detachments were disbanded due to the changing situation at the front. Their personnel were replenished by rifle units.

To stop those fleeing, they had the right to fire over the heads of those retreating, executing those who initiated the attack and those leading the line. However, these cases were not widespread, only individual ones. They could also prepare an additional defensive line in the rear to stop the retreating troops and allow them to consolidate their position. As a result, the NKVD and Red Army barrier detachments contributed to the overall Victory, faithfully fulfilling their duty.


"Penal Battalion" is a 2004 Russian television series. Based on the novel of the same name by Eduard Voldarsky, it was directed by Nikolai Dostal. It is a typical example of liberal, anti-Soviet propaganda: criminals save the Motherland, even though they were not in penal units; penal detachments execute their own en masse; the utter vilification of special officers, NKVD soldiers, and commanders, as well as the Red Army; fraternization with the Germans, etc.

Duty to defend the Fatherland


Order No. 270 distinguished between the families of rank-and-file Red Army soldiers who surrendered and those of commanders and political officers who "tear off their insignia during battle and desert to the rear or surrender to the enemy." The former were subject to the deprivation of state aid due to the relatives of defenders of the Fatherland, while family members of command personnel who showed cowardice were subject to arrest.

To those who are given more, more will be expected. This includes material support. Soviet officers received good salaries. Before the war, a platoon commander received 625 rubles, a company commander 750, a battalion commander 850, a regiment commander 1200 rubles per month, and a division commander 1600 rubles.

With the outbreak of hostilities, these salaries increased by an average of half, not counting bonuses. For example, for every aircraft shot down, our pilots received an extra thousand rubles. By comparison, the average pre-war salary in the USSR was 330 rubles per month.

Stalin is often criticized, inventing outright nonsense aimed at people with narrow horizons, such as the claim that all Soviet prisoners of war, after being liberated from Nazi camps, were sent to the Soviet Gulag or executed. In reality, liberated Red Army prisoners, after being screened by SMERSH, were in most cases sent back to the front lines to continue fighting. The same thing happened after the war ended: after screening the prisoners in filtration camps, the vast majority were sent back to the Armed Forces and the national economy.

Officers and political officers who surrendered were treated more harshly. Most often, they were demoted to privates and sent to the front lines. However, investigations yielded varying results. For example, General Muzychenko, commander of the 6th Army, captured in the Uman pocket in July 1941, was reinstated to the rank of general after an investigation, and he subsequently served as deputy commander of the Volga Military District. Meanwhile, Ponedelin, commander of the 12th Army, who surrendered in the same Uman pocket without exhausting all his resistance, was tried and executed.

Order No. 270 ordered the arrest of the families of deserters and traitors. They were sent to five-year exile in remote regions of the North and Siberia. Minors were not to be placed in prisons ("transit centers").

Punishment for treason included confiscation of the traitor's property. Military families most often lived in service housing at their place of service. This housing was not retained. Typically, housing was found for them in other locations where labor was short.

Thus, Order No. 270, like the later Order No. 227 of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR Stalin of July 28, 1942 ("Not one step back!"), did not contain any particularly cruel measures, first applied in Soviet practice. It was intended to remind the soldiers and commanders of the Red Army of their duty to defend the Fatherland, their families and loved ones – and of the punishment for those who, wanting to preserve their lives at any cost, were prepared to violate this duty.

Under the conditions of the invasion of Hitler's "European Union," which aimed at the complete solution of the "Russian question," that is, the physical elimination of the indigenous peoples of Russian civilization, the Soviet government successfully resolved the issue of the survival of the state and the people.


Captured Red Army soldiers in open freight cars near Bryansk. November–December 1941. During such journeys, the Nazis literally froze entire trains of captured Red Army soldiers.

Appendix. Documents on the activities of barrier detachments // Toptygin A.V. Unknown Beria. Moscow, St. Petersburg, 2002.


“Report from the 3rd rank State Security Commissioner S. Milstein to the People’s Commissar of Internal Affairs L. P. Beria on the actions of the Special Departments and barrier detachments of the NKVD troops of the USSR for the period from the beginning of the war to October 10, 1941.

Top secret
PEOPLE'S COMMISSAR OF THE USSR INTERNAL AFFAIRS
General Commissioner for State Security
to comrade BERIA
REFERENCE
From the beginning of the war until October 10 of this year, special departments of the NKVD and barrier detachments of the NKVD troops protecting the rear detained 657,364 servicemen who had fallen behind their units and fled from the front.
Of these, 249 969 people and the NKVD troops guarding the rear - 407 395 military personnel were detained by the operational barriers of the Special Divisions.
Of the detainees, the Special Divisions arrested 25 878 people, the remaining 632 486 people formed into units and again sent to the front.
Among those arrested by the Special Divisions are:
Spyware - 1505
saboteurs - 308
traitors - 2621
panties and alarmists - 2643
deserters - 8772
distributors of provocative rumors - 3987
Gunners - 1671
others - 4371
Total - 25 878
According to the decisions of the Special Divisions and the sentences of the Military Tribunals, 10 201 people were shot, they were shot in front of the line - 3321 people.
Deputy Early Office of the NKVD NGO
State Commissioner security xnumx rank
Milstein
[October] 1941."

So, from 657 364 detained by detachments and operational barriers of special departments, only 25 878 people were arrested, that is, 4%.

In defense of Stalingrad.

From the report of the Special Department of the NKVD of the Stalingrad Front to the Directorate of Special Departments of the NKVD of the USSR of 14 August 1942 of the Year “On the implementation of order No. 227 and the response of 4 Tank Army personnel to it”:

A total of 24 people were executed during the specified period. For example, squad commanders Styrkov and Dobrynin of the 414th Rifle Regiment of the 18th Rifle Division lost their nerve during the battle, abandoned their squads, and fled the battlefield. Both were detained by a barrier detachment and, by order of the Osoaviakhim, executed in front of the formation.

A Red Army soldier of the same regiment and division, Ogorodnikov, self-inflicted a wound to his left hand, was convicted of the crime, and was brought to trial by a military tribunal.

Based on Order No. 227, three army barrier detachments, each with 200 men, were formed. These detachments are fully armed with rifles, automatic weapons, and light machine guns. Special operations officers from special departments have been appointed detachment commanders.

The specified detachments and barracks on 7.8.42 were detained 363 people in parts and formations in the army, of which: 93 people. out of the environment, 146 - lagged behind their parts, 52 - lost their parts, 12 - came from captivity, 54 - fled from the battlefield, 2 - with questionable injuries.

As a result of a thorough check: 187 people were sent to their units, 43 to the recruitment department, 73 to special NKVD camps, 27 to penal companies, 2 to a medical commission, 6 people were arrested and, as indicated above, 24 people were shot in front of the formation.

The Stalingrad Epic: Materials of the NKVD of the USSR and military censorship from the Central Archive of the FSB of the Russian Federation. Moscow, 2000.

In accordance with the order of the People's Commissariat of Defense No. 227, as of October 15, 1942, 193 army barrier detachments were formed, including 16 on the Stalingrad Front (the discrepancy between this figure and the order of Lieutenant General Gordov cited above is explained by the change in the composition of the Stalingrad Front, from which a number of armies were withdrawn) and 25 on the Don.

At the same time, from 1 August to 15 in October 1942, the 140755 troops were detained by frontier detachments who fled from the front line. 3980 people were arrested from among the detainees, 1189 people were shot, 2776 people were sent to punitive companies, 185 people were sent to battalions, and 131094 people were sent back to their units.

The largest number of detentions and arrests were carried out by the barrier detachments of the Don and Stalingrad Fronts. On the Don Front, 36109 people were detained, 736 were arrested, 433 were executed, 1056 were sent to penal companies, 33 to penal battalions, and 32933 were returned to their units and transit points.

On the Stalingrad Front, 15649 people were detained, 244 people were arrested, 278 people were shot, 218 people were sent to penal companies, 42 to penal battalions, 14833 people were returned to their units and transit points.


Captured commander of the 12th Army of the Red Army, Major General P. G. Ponedelin (center) and commander of the 13th Rifle Corps of the 12th Army, Major General N. K. Kirillov. Uman area. August 1941.

In early August 1941, south of Uman, German troops surrounded 20 divisions of the 6th and 12th Armies of the Southern Front. Approximately 55 Soviet soldiers and officers were captured, including Generals Ponedelin and Kirillov. The Germans widely exploited the surrender of such high-ranking officers, including this photograph, for propaganda purposes. By Order No. 270 of the Supreme Command Headquarters of August 16, 1941, Ponedelin and Kirillov were declared malicious deserters and traitors to the Motherland. On October 13, 1941, they were sentenced to death in absentia. The captured generals were held in German concentration camps. It is known that while in captivity, the generals behaved honorably and did not collaborate with the Germans, despite promises and known decisions made against them in the USSR. On April 29, 1945, they were liberated by American troops. Ponedelin was offered service in the US Army, but he declined. On May 3, they were handed over to the Soviets.

A few months after the liberation, the generals lived freely, but on December 30, 1945 were arrested. On August 25, 1950, they were convicted by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR under the article “treason to the military personnel”, sentenced to capital punishment and executed on the same day. They were rehabilitated by the same Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR in 1956 for the lack of corpus delicti in their actions.
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  1. 10+
    12 November 2025 06: 22
    both were detained by a barrier detachment and a decree Osoaviakhim shot in front of the formation.

    Osoaviakhim - Society for Assistance to Defense, Aviation, and Chemical Construction... the author's sources are murky... and were the Voroshilov Sharpshooters the shooters?
    1. 11+
      12 November 2025 06: 43
      What do sources have to do with it? These are valiant text editors with AI elements in the form of a spelling correction function. It was most likely "Special Department"; the editor didn't like something (text editors don't like bloody KGB [KGB]). lol ), and here is the result of the author's inattention.... it turned out to be practically a firing squad according to the latest decree of the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions or according to the Sportloto drawing....
    2. 11+
      12 November 2025 11: 56
      There's a typo. The actual text looks like this.
      squad commanders of the 414th Rifle Regiment, 18th Rifle Division, Styrkov and Dobrynin, lost their nerve during the battle, abandoned their squads and fled the battlefield, both were detained by a barrier detachment and by order Special Diva shot in front of the formation.

      https://battlefield.ru/order-227-realization.html
    3. +1
      13 November 2025 00: 17
      Quote: Konnick
      And did the Voroshilov riflemen do the shooting?

      No, those who passed the GTO standards.
      Another option is those who had the insignia of “Excellent Parachutist” or “Parachutist Instructor”.
      laughing
    4. 0
      13 November 2025 21: 04
      Osoaviakhim - Society for Assistance to Defense, Aviation, and Chemical Construction... the author's sources are murky... and were the Voroshilov Sharpshooters the shooters?

      Among other things, penal battalions and barrier detachments are a tradition that migrated to the Great Patriotic War from the Civil War.
      We must always remember the environment in which the formation of the majority of the Red commanders and Stalin himself as military leaders took place.


      Order of the Chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Republic to the troops and Soviet institutions of the Southern Front
      1. Any scoundrel who incites retreat, desertion, or failure to carry out a combat order will be SHOT.
      2. Any soldier of the Red Army who leaves his combat post without permission will be SHOT.
      3. Any soldier who throws away his rifle or sells part of his uniform will be SHOT.
      4. In every frontline zone, blocking detachments are stationed to catch deserters. Any soldier who attempts to resist these detachments is to be shot on the spot.
      5. All local councils and committees undertake to take all measures to catch deserters, conducting roundups twice daily: at 8:00 a.m. and 8:00 p.m. Those caught are to be delivered to the headquarters of the nearest unit and to the nearest military commissariat.
      6. Those found guilty of harboring deserters are subject to SHOT.
      7. Houses in which deserters are hidden will be burned. Death to self-seekers and traitors!
      Death to deserters and Krasnov's agents!
      Chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Republic
      People's Commissar for Military and Naval Affairs
      L. Trotsky
      November 24 1918 years
  2. +6
    12 November 2025 06: 39
    Strange trends here... In July 2013, Mr. Samsonov was already savoring a virtually identical article on the VO website. It was about mass desertions and draft dodgers during WWII. Incidentally, which archive did Mr. Samsonov use to pull these statistics, about 700,000 deserters in just a few months at the beginning of WWII? Even Wikipedia is now being "corrected" by liberal proofreaders on the internet; they list Crimea and Donetsk as "occupied" by Russia, while they'll write about nearly a million Red Army soldiers deserting on various websites with the same lack of conscience, just as Dostal, without a twinge of conscience, created his film "Penal Battalion."
    Well, if "glasnost" is still going on, then we know perfectly well what kind of glasnost this is. This glasnost of yours even slipped forged documents into the archives to portray Stalin and the Red Army as a flock of sheep leading a terrible beast. Let's go back to the perestroika days of "Ogonyok"...
    1. +2
      13 November 2025 16: 01
      Strange trends here... In July 2013, Mr. Samsonov was already savoring a virtually identical article on the VO website. It was about mass desertions and draft dodgers during WWII. Incidentally, which archive did Mr. Samsonov use to pull these statistics, about 700,000 deserters in just a few months at the beginning of WWII? Even Wikipedia is now being "corrected" by liberal proofreaders on the internet; they list Crimea and Donetsk as "occupied" by Russia, while they'll write about nearly a million Red Army soldiers deserting on various websites with the same lack of conscience, just as Dostal, without a twinge of conscience, created his film "Penal Battalion."
      Well, if "glasnost" is still going on, then we know perfectly well what kind of glasnost this is. This glasnost of yours even slipped forged documents into the archives to portray Stalin and the Red Army as a flock of sheep leading a terrible beast. Let's go back to the perestroika days of "Ogonyok"...

      Well, why not? Here are the general statistics on military servicemen on the WWII fronts. These are only those who served officially, according to documents... wink
  3. 23+
    12 November 2025 06: 39
    Surrender and desertion in the initial period of the war were largely due not to cowardice, but to a lack of communication with the command, and the confusion of the command itself.
    1. +6
      12 November 2025 08: 27
      To substantiate this, you can read Rakosovsky's memoirs. He describes how commanders abandoned their soldiers and fled from the enemy in their zipuns while surrounded. There's a lot of interesting information there.
  4. +3
    12 November 2025 08: 25
    After reading through the deceitful filth called the Penal Battalion, I simply can't believe the author seriously considered this topic. The number one position in a prisoner staff battalion COULDN'T have been there by definition; they were formed from command personnel, later officers. A penal soldier couldn't command a penal battalion, let alone a company. Well, the rear security units weren't formed from former barrier detachments. They were formed from NKVD fighters, NKVD border troops, and Red Army soldiers with combat experience and proven skills. (There may be some nuances.)
    1. 11+
      12 November 2025 11: 28
      Did you even read the article? The article portrays the TV series "Penal Battalion" exclusively from a negative perspective. Which is fair and correct.
    2. +1
      12 November 2025 18: 46
      Quote: saigon
      After reading through the deceitful filth called "Penal Battalion," it's hard to believe the author has seriously considered the topic.


      "Penal Battalion" is a 2004 Russian television series. Based on the novel of the same name by Eduard Voldarsky, it was directed by Nikolai Dostal. It is a typical example of liberal, anti-Soviet propaganda: criminals save the Motherland, even though they were not in penal units; penal detachments execute their own en masse; the utter vilification of special officers, NKVD soldiers, and commanders, as well as the Red Army; fraternization with the Germans, etc.


      In what specific part of this text, sir, do you personally disagree?
      That this creation is false liberal propaganda?
      1. -1
        13 November 2025 12: 00
        How many times has this series been mentioned? The state-run Pobeda channel broadcasts deceitful liberal propaganda. I've only stumbled across it a couple of times in one month. If you put aside the historical accuracy of the events, you can enjoy the superb acting. I watched it with great pleasure. I don't care about the director's message, and I know who the battalions were made up of. I was interested in their fates. Downvote.
        1. -1
          14 November 2025 16: 09
          I'm interested in the downvoters' review of "August."
  5. 12+
    12 November 2025 08: 41
    My great-grandfather received a reprimand from the party for destroying his party card while escaping from encirclement near Kyiv.
    The political officer who ordered the destruction of identity cards and party cards did not escape from the encirclement.
    The reprimand hung from 1941 to 1943. Consequently, no awards, no promotions. Then it was removed.
    But at the same time, with such a reprimand, he served as the chief of communications of the flight division and nothing happened.
  6. +1
    12 November 2025 09: 27
    Somewhere there were figures showing that, based on the results of the filtering of those released from captivity, 10-15% of privates were convicted. Among officers, the percentage was higher, 20-25%. Most of those released were sent to marching units, a smaller portion to the national economy, were discharged for health reasons, and so on.
    Regarding families. There was a German leaflet recently: "Surrender, your family is waiting for you at home!"
    1. +9
      12 November 2025 11: 13
      Quote: Not the fighter
      Somewhere there were figures that, based on the results of the filtering of those released from captivity, 10-15% of privates were convicted. Among officers, the percentage was higher, 20-25%.

      There is a "Report on the progress of the verification of former encircled persons and former prisoners of war as of October 1, 1944."
      In total, 354 592 people, including officers of 50 441 people, went through special camps of former Red Army soldiers who left the encirclement and were released from captivity.
      2. From this number checked and transmitted:
      a) 249,416 people to the Red Army, including: 231,034 to military units through military registration and enlistment offices, of which 27042 were officers, 18,382 to form assault battalions, of which 16,163 were officers.
      b) in industry according to the decrees of the State Defense Committee 30,749, including 29 officers
      c) for the formation of escort troops and the protection of special camps 5924
      3. 11,556 people were arrested by SMERSH agencies, 2083 of whom were enemy intelligence and counterintelligence agents, 1284 of whom were officers (for various crimes).
      4. Departed for various reasons all the time - in hospitals, hospitals and 5347 died
      5. 51,601 people are being kept in special camps of the NKVD of the USSR for verification, including 5657 officers.
      Of the number of officers remaining in the camps of the NKVD of the USSR in October, 4 assault battalions of 920 people each are formed

      Point 2 c) is especially amusing - the "bloody KGB" replenished the ranks of its forces with freshly filtered prisoners of war. smile

      Here are the statistics for post-war filtration:
      Results of screening and filtering of repatriates (as of March 1, 1946)
      Sent to their place of residence: civilians - 2.146.126, military personnel - 281.780.
      Called up to the army: civilians - 141.962, military personnel - 659.190.
      Enrolled in the labor battalions: civilians - 263.647, military personnel - 344.448.
      Transferred to the NKVD: civilians - 46.740, military personnel - 226.127.
      They were located at assembly and transit points and used for work at Soviet military units and institutions abroad: civilians - 61.538, military personnel - 27.930.

      Source: V. Zemskov. Repatriation of displaced Soviet citizens.
      That is, after the war, approximately 15% of those checked were sent to prison.
      1. +3
        12 November 2025 11: 45
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Point 2 c) is especially amusing - the "bloody KGB" replenished the ranks of its forces with freshly filtered prisoners of war

        I read that NKVD officers who were captured or encircled were filtered on a general basis, but if the conclusion was positive, those with health limitations (minor wounds/contusions not subject to discharge) were sent to guard camps, special schools, etc. - for rotation with NKVD rear-echelon personnel.
        A similar report mentioned more than a hundred people - "sent to work behind enemy lines" (saboteurs, scouts, partisans).

        At the same time, in all similar reports, it is noteworthy that arrested - no more than 50% were shot, not all in a group.
  7. +2
    12 November 2025 10: 09
    The movie "Penal Battalion" is a load of crap)) I watched a couple of episodes and gave up.
    1. +6
      12 November 2025 18: 52
      Quote: TermNachTER
      The film "Penal Battalion" is a load of drivel.


      This is far from nonsense.
      This is a deliberate distortion of historical facts, as well as a deliberate denigration of everything connected with the USSR.
      This country, even after it has fallen apart, still frightens apologists of the capitalist way of life and development.
  8. +1
    12 November 2025 10: 09
    Order No. 270 ordered the arrest of the families of deserters and traitors. They were sent into five-year exile in remote regions of the North and Siberia.
    Thus, order No. 270, like the later order No. 227 of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR Stalin of July 28, 1942 (“Not one step back!”), did not contain any particularly harsh measures, first applied in Soviet practice.

    And where else? family Did they touch anyone except the Nazis? What do children have to do with it?

    Order No. 227 of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR Stalin of July 28, 1942 ("Not one step back!"), did not contain any

    Marshal Zhukov about him:
    Why did Stalin need to issue orders that disgrace our army? I believe he did this to deflect blame and public discontent for the country's lack of preparedness for defense, for his own personal mistakes in commanding the troops, and for the failures that resulted.


    author:
    Stalin is often criticized by inventing [b]utter nonsense aimed at people with a narrow outlook, It seems that all Soviet prisoners of war, after being liberated from Nazi camps, were sent to the Soviet Gulag or executed. In reality, liberated Red Army prisoners, after being screened by SMERSH, were in most cases sent back to the front lines to continue fighting. The same thing happened after the war ended: after screening the prisoners in filtration camps, the vast majority were sent back to the Armed Forces and the national economy.


    from a man with the "narrow horizons of Marshal Zhukov":
    In our ideological work, we suffered great moral and political damage due to the arbitrary actions of Beria's gang against Soviet servicemen who were held captive by our enemies during the Great Patriotic War.

    Due to the situation that developed at the beginning of the war on a number of fronts, a significant number of Soviet servicemen were often encircled along with entire units and formations. Having exhausted all means of resistance, they were taken prisoner against their will. Many were captured wounded and shell-shocked.

    Soviet soldiers who were captured generally remained loyal to their homeland, behaved courageously, steadfastly endured the hardships of captivity and Nazi abuse, and often displayed genuine heroism. Many Soviet soldiers, risking their lives, escaped from Nazi camps and continued to fight the enemy behind enemy lines, in partisan detachments, or fought their way through the front lines to join their own troops.

    However, both during the war and in the postwar period, gross distortions of Soviet law were committed against former prisoners of war, contradicting Leninist principles and the very nature of the Soviet system. These distortions involved creating a climate of mistrust and suspicion, as well as unfounded accusations of serious crimes and the widespread use of repression.

    When deciding the fate of former prisoners of war, neither the circumstances of their capture nor their behavior while in captivity, nor the fact of escape from captivity, participation in partisan warfare, or other factors were taken into account. Our officers, captured wounded and courageously holding out during their captivity, were summarily stripped of their officer rank and sent without trial to penal battalions, along with those who had committed crimes.

    Some Soviet and party organs continue to display an inappropriate attitude toward former prisoners of war who have not tainted themselves in any way, treating them with distrust, imposing illegal restrictions on their promotion, employment in responsible positions, election as deputies to the Councils of Workers' Deputies, admission to higher educational institutions, and other matters, infringing on their rights and the dignity of Soviet citizens.

    The most flagrant violations of prisoners of war's legal rights involved unjustified criminal prosecutions. A significant number of prisoners of war who returned home were subjected to various punishments, ranging from exile to a special settlement to capital punishment. Soviet law provides for severe penalties for intentional surrender, collaboration with the enemy, and other crimes against the Soviet state. However, Soviet law does not stipulate that a serviceman captured due to injury, concussion, sudden capture, or other circumstances beyond his personal control should be held criminally liable.

    Those military personnel who, against their will, were captured, guided by a sense of military duty, then escaped from captivity and returned to their homeland, often demonstrating personal heroism, putting their lives in danger, were also subjected to illegal repression.

    Everything is clear.

    And also - during the terrible battle for the Caucasus, in the rear of the bloodless Red Army troops stood 120 thousand well-armed NKVD troops, which Beria did not provide for defense...
    1. +8
      12 November 2025 11: 52
      Marshal Zhukov about him:
      Why did Stalin need to issue orders that disgraced our army?
      But Zhukov didn't say anything about how he himself issued orders to execute commanders on the spot whose subordinates abandoned their positions without permission?
    2. +7
      12 November 2025 11: 53
      Quote: Olgovich
      from a man with the "narrow horizons of Marshal Zhukov":
      In our ideological work, we have suffered great moral and political harm due to arbitrariness Beria's gangs

      As soon as the lover of miles of fabric was caught by the rump, a "gang" appeared. Basically, he wavered with the party line...
      For me, it is enough that he was a good commander, but as a person he was driven into disgrace by both Stalin and Khrushchev - diametrically opposed leaders.
      1. -2
        12 November 2025 13: 26
        Quote: your1970
        As soon as the lover of kilometers of fabric was grabbed by the rump, a "gang" appeared...

        According to criminal case and court verdict According to Beria, his gang appeared back in the Civil War in the 1950s - that's what it was called officially The Prosecutor General of the USSR Rudenko also called
        Quote: your1970
        In general, he wavered with the party line.

        In 1953 it was mortally dangerous, but he was not afraid
        Quote: your1970
        but as a man he was driven into disgrace and Stalin and Khrushchevв

        Zhukov was and will remain the Marshal of Victory, but those who fell into disgrace...
    3. +9
      12 November 2025 12: 23
      Olgovich, if someone grabbed you by the ass and threatened you with criminal prosecution, even if there was no reason, you too would write "as you're told."
      Russia and the USSR have been struggling with the Caucasus for two hundred years now, so things aren't so clear-cut there...
      1. -2
        12 November 2025 13: 41
        Quote: faiver
        Olgovich, if they grabbed you by the butt and threatened you with criminal prosecution, even if there was no reason, you too would write "as you were told."

        every single word he said about the prisoners was true.
        Senior Lieutenant E.S. ANUKHIN, a member of the CPSU, was sentenced to 25 years' imprisonment on March 31, 1950, allegedly for the fact that on August 9, 1944, while carrying out a combat mission, when the Il-2 aircraft piloted by ANUKHIN was shot down by the enemy, and ANUKHIN was captured, he, during interrogation at Romanian headquarters, revealed information constituting a military secret, informing the enemy about the flight and technical characteristics of the aircraft.

        As has now been established, ANUKHIN was held captive by the Romanians for only 11 days, and then, along with other Soviet soldiers, escaped captivity and returned to his unit. Until the end of the war, he actively participated in combat as a ground-attack pilot, completing 160 combat flights, 120 of which were after his escape from captivity. Captured documents show that, during interrogation by the Romanians, ANUKHIN proudly declared that the war would end with a Soviet victory and that Romania would become a free state.

        Five years after the war, in which ANUKHIN took the most active part, He was convicted and sent to prison.

        And this is how they greeted us simple soldier from captivity in Russia and compare:
        О
        I won't write about my time in captivity; I wrote a lot about that in my time in Russia. Besides, captivity is far from a pleasant memory. But I can't help but recall here our journey through Sweden. This country showed us, returning from captivity, so much warm attention— and King Gustav, and the government, and all the Swedish peopleOf course, the happiest day for each of us was November 15, 1915, when our train approached the Finland Station in Petrograd. 362 soldiers, all crippled and sick with tuberculosis, arrived with me from captivity.At the station we were met by troops, authorities, all the unions, educational institutions and a crowd of thousands of people.

        On behalf of the Emperor, we were met by Baron Meyendorff (the Emperor was then at headquarters). The orchestras played music, but its sounds were drowned out by the friendly “hurrah” of the crowd...

        The train stopped, and the barman entered the carriage. Meyendorff and his retinue handed it over to me.a small bouquet of white roses, saying that it was from the troopsъ, and placed a gold icon around my neck with the inscription: "Save and protect" - a gift from the empress. A prayer service was held on the platform, after which Baron Meyendorff again approached me and handed me a small gospel with the empress's own inscription: "To Sister Nesterovich - Alexandra."
        .
        Quote: faiver
        Russia and the USSR have been struggling with the Caucasus for two hundred years now, so things aren’t so clear-cut there.

        a huge army stood idle in the rear and did nothing to help the exhausted troops at the front
        1. +5
          12 November 2025 13: 47
          a huge army stood idle in the rear and did nothing to help the exhausted troops at the front
          - everyone considers himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the sidelines....
          1. -3
            12 November 2025 14: 05
            Quote: faiver
            a huge army stood idle in the rear and did nothing to help the exhausted troops at the front
            - everyone considers himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side.

            This is one of Beria's official accusations at the trial.
            1. +5
              12 November 2025 14: 38
              and he was also a spy for 38 intelligence agencies and ate babies for breakfast, Khrushchev deserved to be shot, more than Beria...
              1. -4
                12 November 2025 14: 59
                Quote: faiver
                and he was also a spy for 38 intelligence agencies

                Musavatist - he himself admitted
                Quote: faiver
                ate babies

                women. Not enough?
                Quote: faiver
                Khrushchev deserved to be shot even more than Beria...

                We will respect the court's decisions. 1953-2020
                1. +2
                  12 November 2025 15: 01
                  We won't, but you can do whatever you want.........
        2. +1
          12 November 2025 15: 19
          Mr. Olgovich, I recommend reading the book "Stalin's Generals in Captivity." It's a historical study, not the ramblings of liberal parasites.
          1. -2
            12 November 2025 15: 32
            Quote: Grencer81
            Mr. Olgovich, I recommend reading the book "Stalin's Generals in Captivity." It's a historical study, not the ramblings of liberal parasites.

            Mr. Grencer81, Sverdlova or Smyslova? Who are the parasites?
            1. +4
              12 November 2025 18: 05
              Or maybe Sverdlov and Smyslov. And the parasites are liberals like you, who, despite the documents, still shout about how all former prisoners were either shot or sent to Kolyma.
              1. -3
                13 November 2025 09: 50
                Quote: Grencer81
                And the parasites are liberals like you,

                young to poke, not a parasite
                Quote: Grencer81
                They still shout that all former prisoners were either shot or sent to Kolyma.

                Read ZHUKOV, as it was, including about the generals.
                1. +1
                  13 November 2025 10: 21
                  Major General Potapov M.I., former commander of the 5th Army of the Southwestern Front.
                  After being filtered, he was reinstated in the Soviet Army. In 1961, he was promoted to the rank of Colonel General and held several senior positions, most recently as Deputy Commander of the Troops and member of the Military Council of the Odessa Military District.
                  After the war he was awarded two Orders of Lenin, two Orders of the Red Banner and the Order of the Red Star.
                  Major General Snegov, former commander of the 8th Rifle Corps, completed academic courses at the Voroshilov Academy after being reinstated in the army. He held a number of positions and retired in 1959.
                  After the war, he was awarded two Orders of the Red Banner (1946, 1949) and the Order of Lenin (1946)
                  Note that he was awarded before Stalin died.
    4. +3
      12 November 2025 12: 53
      This strongly resembles Khrushchev's mendacious report at the infamous congress. Incidentally, Georgy Konstantinovich was one of those who supported Beria's removal and later suffered under the maize harvester.
      1. -2
        12 November 2025 15: 42
        Quote: Severok
        It strongly resembles Khrushchev’s mendacious report at the famous congress.

        The Marshal of Victory has the right to make statements more than anyone else.
        Quote: Severok
        Georgy Konstantinovich was one of those who supported the removal of Beria and later suffered from the maize planter

        Do what you must and come what may.
    5. 0
      12 November 2025 15: 12
      Excuse me, but could you by any chance provide the division numbers for the NKVD regiments stationed in the rear? Or is it all about the bloody NKVD again, and everything can be done without facts? Otherwise, 120000 manpower is easily enough for 10 divisions of three regimental strength, albeit with one artillery regiment. That's roughly how it works out based on reduced staffing levels.
      1. -1
        12 November 2025 15: 47
        Quote: saigon
        And so, nothing, 120000 thousand HP

        Nothing:
        from the general's statement Tyuleneva:

        "To ensure the successful defense of the Caucasus, the Supreme Command Headquarters planned the transfer of several units and formations of regular troops from the center, using the Headquarters reserve. However, these troops, as planned by Headquarters, were not fully transferred. In their place, NKVD troops arrived on the Transcaucasian Front. These troops were under special control of Beria. Therefore, they were not used for active combat operations...

        While at the Headquarters of the Supreme Command together with I. I. Kaganovich (November 15-18, 1942), I again raised with Headquarters the question of transferring at least part of the NKVD troops located on the territory of the Transcaucasian Front (15-20 regiments) to the disposal of the command of the Transcaucasian Front. I. V. Stalin approved of my idea, but Beria, who was present at the time, sharply opposed it, making crude attacks against the command of the Transcaucasian Front.a. Of the 121 thousand NKVD troops, which were mostly inactive, Beria agreed to transfer only 5-7 thousand to the disposal of the Transcaucasian Front, and only at the insistence of I. V. Stalin.

        As a result of such a criminal attitude towards the defense of the Caucasus on the part of Beria, the command of the Transcaucasian Front did not have the opportunity to use the NKVD troops.
        1. +2
          12 November 2025 17: 39
          However, Comrade Tyulenev is probably fantasizing a bit. And 20 regiments is 60-70 thousand. Again, it's not fighting. Because after failing defensive battles, they look for scapegoats. But it's strange to hear about 20 regiments from a general; 20 regiments are actually 6 divisions.
          1. 0
            12 November 2025 19: 26
            I absolutely agree..............
          2. 0
            13 November 2025 09: 54
            Quote: saigon
            However, Comrade Tyulenev is probably fantasizing a bit. And 20 regiments is 60-70 thousand. Again, it doesn't work.

            He asked for this PART of 121 thousand - read his statement!
            Quote: saigon
            Since the defensive battles have failed, they are looking for scapegoats

            Tyulenev drove the Nazis from the Caucasus.
          3. 0
            17 November 2025 10: 32
            Divisions also have battalions, companies, and divisions that are not part of regiments, and they make up a significant part of the division’s strength.
            1. 0
              17 November 2025 11: 10
              Statement 04/200 from February 1942: SD personnel - 12795 people.
        2. -1
          12 November 2025 19: 25
          This is exactly what is called fitting an owl onto a globe...
        3. +1
          12 November 2025 20: 02
          General Tyulenev didn't make any significant contribution to the Great Patriotic War; his memoirs are worthless. He received the Hero of the Soviet Union award in 1978, just like that.
    6. +2
      12 November 2025 15: 16
      Were they standing? Or lying down? Lying on the beaches and sunbathing? And which NKVD troops were they? So, no NKVD units participated in the Battle of the Caucasus?
      1. +3
        12 November 2025 17: 53
        No, that's not true. For example, the 8th Grozny-Makhachkala SDNKVD, the 12th Ordzhonikidze SDNKVD, and the 11th SDNKVD evacuated from the Kerch Peninsula. In short, it's a lie that NKVD units and formations didn't participate in the Battle of the Caucasus.
        1. +3
          12 November 2025 18: 07
          And lying is the specialty of some of those present.
        2. -2
          13 November 2025 12: 08
          Quote: saigon
          In short, it is a lie that NKVD units and formations did not participate in the Battle of the Caucasus.

          cofront:
          Of the 121 thousand NKVD troops that for the most part, they were inactive, Beria agreed to transfer to the disposal of the Transcaucasian Front only 5-7 thousand and then at the insistence of I.V. Stalin.
          1. +1
            13 November 2025 15: 27
            General Tyulenev is being disingenuous, he's being disingenuous. Offhand, he brought three divisions, two of which were newly formed and one from Crimea. At least 15-10 fighters. This general's memoirs were plausible before the internet existed. But after reading the combat record of the Transcaucasian Military District, for example, one realizes the general is being disingenuous (to put it mildly).
            1. -3
              14 November 2025 11: 38
              Quote: saigon
              General Tyulenev is being disingenuous, he's being disingenuous. Off the top of my head, you brought three divisions, two of which were newly formed and one from Crimea. At least 15-10 fighters. You could have cited this general's memoir.

              This is not a memoir, but a testimony to an investigator with liability for false testimony.
              Quote: saigon
              General Tyulenev, you're being disingenuous. Off the top of my head, you brought in three divisions, two of which are new formations.

              Of the 121 NKVD troops, most of whom were inactive, Beria agreed to transfer only 5-7 to the Transcaucasian Front, and only at the insistence of I. V. Stalin.
              1. 0
                14 November 2025 18: 03
                What problems are rife online, and the combat history of the Transcaucasian Military District during WWII. There's also little combat history of the Transcaucasian Military District's units and formations during WWII. In short, there's no need to cite Tyulenev's nonsense as fact.
                1. -2
                  15 November 2025 11: 04
                  Quote: saigon
                  What problems are circulating online and the combat history of the Zak VO in WWII?

                  these are parts of the MO-v overwhelming most
                  Quote: saigon
                  In short, there is no need to cite Tyulenev’s nonsense as fact.

                  The truth is unpleasant, of course.
                  1. 0
                    15 November 2025 15: 23
                    It details all the units and formations that were part of and stationed within the district. We search for NKVD units and formations during WWII and also find out how many NKVD divisions and regiments were awarded the Guards title for their combat service.
    7. +2
      12 November 2025 19: 53
      And Zhukov, as Chief of the General Staff, bears no responsibility for the defeats of 41? There were people who argued with Stalin and argued their point of view, but Zhukov wasn't known for it. And his memoirs are just so-so.
      1. 0
        13 November 2025 07: 41
        If I'm not mistaken, there were, like, 20 versions of Zhukov's memoirs, which his daughter edited after his death (according to the political moment), searching for new ones. So, the books were so-so.
        1. 0
          13 November 2025 08: 46
          Well, yes, I once saw the 11th edition, expanded. Then I heard that my daughter published another version, expanded again.
      2. -2
        13 November 2025 12: 23
        Quote: TermNachTER
        And Zhukov, as the Chief of the General Staff, bears no responsibility for the defeats of 41?

        How old was he?
        And what kind of General Staff was it under those conditions:

        In addition to the country's unpreparedness for defense and the Armed Forces' incomplete readiness to effectively repel an enemy attack, we lacked a fully functioning Supreme Command. There was Stalin, without whom, under the prevailing order, no one could make independent decisions. And, frankly, at the beginning of the war, Stalin had a very poor understanding of operational and tactical matters. The Supreme Command Headquarters was created belatedly and was unprepared to effectively take control and effectively manage the Armed Forces.

        ГThe General Staff and the People's Commissariat of Defense were disorganized by Stalin from the very beginning and deprived of his trust.

        Instead of not hesitating to organize a leading group of the Supreme Command to control the troops, Stalin ordered: on the second day of the war to send the Chief of the General Staff to Ukraine, to the Ternopil region to help the Commander of the southwestern front in leading the troops in the battle in the Sokal, Brody area; Marshal B.M. Shaposhnikov to send to the aid of the commander of the western front in the Minsk area, and a little later the 1st Deputy Chief of the General Staff, General N.F. Vatutin, to the north-western direction,

        Stalin was informed that this could not be done, since such a practice may lead to disorganization of troop leadershipBut he responded: "What do you know about leading troops? We'll manage without you."The consequence of this decision by Stalin was that, not knowing the details of the situation at the front, and being insufficiently literate in operational matters, he gave unqualified instructions, not to mention the incompetent planning of major countermeasures, which, given the current situation, needed to be carried out.

        Our troops, not being deployed in proper operational formations, actually fought in separate units, separate groups, while demonstrating exceptional tenacity, inflicting heavy defeats on the enemy. Not receiving timely orders from the high command, they were forced to act in isolation and often found themselves in difficult situations

        Zhukov,
        1. +1
          13 November 2025 12: 47
          How long does it take to be Chief of the General Staff to grasp the situation? Weren't there deputy chiefs of the General Staff or department heads? It's long been known that stupid leaders prevent genital generals from fighting properly. MacArthur was hampered by Roosevelt, Montgomery (whom the British themselves said single-handedly did more harm than all the Germans) by Churchill, Rommel by Hitler, and Zhukov by Stalin. But notice, they became stupid after they died; before that, they were smart. Admiral James Richardson, to Roosevelt's face, said, "The Navy doesn't trust the country's political leadership." And Zhukov merely remained silent or nodded, depending on the situation.
          1. -2
            13 November 2025 13: 09
            Quote: TermNachTER
            And Zhukov was either silent or nodded in agreement.

            Zhukov:
            .
            Stalin also planned and executed an operation in the Baltic region near Libau. It was repeated several times without success and, aside from heavy casualties, achieved nothing. Because of the failures of this operation, Stalin replaced three front commanders.

            Operations north of Warsaw were conducted with exceptional incompetence, resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands of our men. Stalin was repeatedly informed that the terrain there made it impossible to conduct an operation, but such arguments were dismissed as "immature," and the operation was repeated repeatedly with the same results.

            Much can be said about Stalin's lack of understanding of the fundamentals of troop command from the history of the defensive battles for Moscow, but just one small fact is enough to clarify Stalin's lack of understanding of troop command methods.

            At a critical moment in the fierce fighting, when the enemy was furiously pushing toward Moscow, Beria reported to Stalin that the Germans had captured the villages of Dedovo and Krasnaya Polyana. Stalin, calling N.A. Bulganin and me on the telephone, scolded us appropriately, and ordered me to immediately go to Dedovo and N.A. Bulganin to Krasnaya Polyana and retake these villages. Our attempts to argue that abandoning the command post and command of the front troops at such a difficult moment was impossible were met with the threat of execution. And while N.A. Bulganin and I were taking these insignificant villages, the enemy broke through the front elsewhere—in the Naro-Fominsk area—and rushed toward Moscow. Only the presence of front reserves in this area saved the situation.
            1. +2
              13 November 2025 14: 03
              These are Zhukov's words, or perhaps not his. His memoirs, expanded and supplemented, have been reprinted about twenty times. Are there other sources on this subject?
              1. -1
                13 November 2025 14: 51
                Quote: TermNachTER
                His memoirs, expanded and supplemented, were republished about twenty times.

                this is not a memoir, this is
                Draft speech by Georgy Zhukov at the 1956 Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU.
                To Comrade N.S. KHRUSHCHEV

                I am sending you a draft of my speech at the upcoming Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU.

                Please review and provide your comments.
                G. Zhukov
                May 19, 1956

                Sent to: Comrade Bulganin N.A. and Shepilov D.T.
                1. +3
                  13 November 2025 15: 04
                  And what - is this an indicator of credibility?))) Just like Khrushchev's own speech at the congress, where he placed all the blame on Stalin.
        2. 0
          19 November 2025 19: 30
          Zhukov's memoirs were analyzed literally line by line, and it turned out that many of the events he described didn't match up in date. He wasn't Chief of the General Staff for long, but before that, he commanded a district. How did his former district react to the outbreak of war? At the beginning of the war, Zhukov signed an order in Leningrad slated for execution by firing squad of servicemen captured. Only the Front Military Council overturned and softened Zhukov's order.
          1. 0
            20 November 2025 11: 44
            What is Zhukov wrong about in general?
            1. 0
              20 November 2025 17: 36
              "What is Zhukov wrong about in general?"
              There is a whole Politburo resolution on this matter, please read it.
              Overall, Stalin had a positive attitude toward Zhukov. Speaking at the awarding of the Stalin Prize to Kazakevich for his book "Spring on the Oder," Stalin noted that Zhukov's role in the Berlin Operation had been poorly reflected. "Zhukov fought better than Konev, and no worse than Rokossovsky"—perhaps Stalin knew the talents of military leaders better than we did, or perhaps he couldn't have said otherwise, since he appointed Zhukov commander of the 1st Baltic Fleet.
      3. +1
        14 November 2025 11: 12
        Responsibility for the defeat lies primarily with the USSR's top political leadership at the time. It's long been an open secret that the USSR's leadership negotiated the accession of Italy, Germany, and Japan to the alliance under virtually the same conditions—this explains all the problems at the outset of the war. Stalin genuinely didn't expect an attack from Hitler; this simply defied all common sense, and he himself wasn't preparing for any war with him, as Putin stated in his famous article. Who knew that Hitler would commit the monstrous folly of deciding that England would agree to a peace treaty if the USSR was sidelined? Naturally, neither the country nor the army were prepared for such an attack, which completely defied common sense.
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пакт_четырёх_держав
        1. 0
          14 November 2025 11: 21
          Wikipedia is, of course, a very serious, and most importantly, a truthful source of information))) You know. Who owns that dump? Is the political leadership responsible for the defeats?))) I'm embarrassed to ask - what the hell do we need the military for then? To sit in cushy chairs, go to parades, and receive a hefty salary?))) And that's it? If the military couldn't convince the political leadership, it means they couldn't or didn't want to do so. Admiral James Richardson, point-blank, told President Roosevelt that the Navy didn't trust the country's political leadership. Admirals Cunningham and Tovey defiantly refused to carry out Churchill's delusional commands. And there were people in the USSR who argued with Stalin and proved him wrong. However, Timoshenko and Zhukov weren't among them. But Timoshenko at least had the conscience not to write memoirs after Stalin's death, blaming the deceased for everything. But Zhukov, he went to great lengths to write two volumes about nothing)))
          1. 0
            14 November 2025 11: 37
            Do you know who owns that dump?

            Don't make people laugh. Look at the links in the article—to the Russian Presidential Administration. Have you seen any refutations that this isn't true? No, there's simply complete silence on the matter.
            Is the political leadership responsible for the defeats?

            Yes.
            I'm embarrassed to ask - why the hell do we need the military then?

            Carry out the orders of the political leadership. If the army pursues its policies contrary to those of the political leadership, it is called a military conspiracy.
            If the military failed to convince the political leadership

            What were they supposed to convince you of? To change the country's political course? Even in good times, you'd be sent into retirement for that, let alone in those days... The military is the executor of the political leadership's will. And if they contradict it, they receive, at best, obscene resolutions like the one Stalin imposed on the report of military attaché Tupikov—mentioning some mother.
            Admiral James Richardson told President Roosevelt straight to his face that the Navy did not trust the country's political leadership.

            He didn't live in the USSR. He'd be mining gold in Alaska by now, at best. Or joining the first three Soviet marshals, which is more likely.
            1. 0
              14 November 2025 12: 24
              1. For me, the AP is not an indicator; there are plenty of losers everywhere.
              2. The political leadership governs the country as a whole. If the military is unable, unwilling, or unwilling to defend its point of view, then they are worthless. And for the country, the cost is terrible. And if the military panders to the political leadership's views in everything, this leads to very dire consequences.
              3. Tales about Stalin's obscene resolutions are spread by those who themselves swore, both with and without cause. People who worked alongside Stalin for many years—but not Zhukov, of course—wrote that he rarely raised his voice, and that cursing was extremely rare. So, this is just another liberal fairy tale.
              And in the USSR there were people who contradicted Stalin because they thought about the country, and not about a soft chair in a warm office. Like Beetles.
              1. +1
                14 November 2025 13: 14
                1. For me, the AP is not an indicator; there are plenty of losers everywhere.

                And who is the indicator—your personal convictions? You can go too far with that. The reality is this: the cited references, confirmed by Putin's article about the USSR having no plans to attack Germany, fully explain the entire pre-war policy and the course of the war in its initial stages—something that has been debated throughout the post-war years and is still being debated today. Stalin didn't expect an attack, as there were no objective preconditions for it. The attack was Hitler's blatant stupidity, his strategic error. There were no real preconditions for it, so Stalin couldn't have expected such an attack.
                2. Political leadership - governs the country as a whole.

                The political leadership determines the country's development vector using a wealth of information that may be unavailable to the military leadership. What may seem suspicious to the military leadership about the appearance of twenty motorcycles armed with machine guns near the border may in fact be the result of secret agreements at the highest level, which for some reason were not disclosed to the military leadership.
                3. Tales of Stalin's obscene resolutions,

                Oh, come on, that's a fairy tale. A classic male response to a report that blatantly defied common sense, rather restrained, albeit emotionally charged. Stalin, of course, had attended a seminary, but not a boarding school for noblewomen; he was an ordinary man, not some kind of angel incarnate. And he didn't raise his voice, he simply wrote it. And, by the way, it was essentially true—the report was the result of a cleverly disguised disinformation campaign by the Germans, which is now well known (I was mistaken—the author of the report in question was Merkulov, not Tupikov). Tupikov's report had a slightly different response, without the swearing, but with associations to his name: "Tell the stupid general that this is a British provocation."

                According to G.K. Zhukov, Stalin asserted: "Germany is neck-deep in the war in the West, and I don't believe Hitler would risk creating a second front for himself by attacking the Soviet Union. Hitler isn't someone who doesn't understand that the Soviet Union isn't Poland, isn't France, isn't even England, and isn't all of them combined."

                And what's there to argue with? Stalin was absolutely right that attacking the USSR at that moment would have been sheer folly for Germany. Moreover, Hitler himself believed so, as he wrote in his Mein Kapf about the mistake of waging war in both the West and the East simultaneously. Could Stalin have imagined that Hitler would prove to be a fool and do what he himself had warned against?
                1. 0
                  14 November 2025 13: 49
                  Stalin wasn't a general or even a lieutenant. He didn't even graduate from the KUKS. And it was Zhukov's direct responsibility to explain to him and prove the error of his judgment. Zhukov didn't do that. And why did you post this photo? Nowadays, a computer with AI can draw anything. A photo of Roosevelt with a dedication to Hitler.
                  1. 0
                    14 November 2025 14: 13
                    Stalin wasn't a general, or even a lieutenant. He hadn't even completed the KUKS. And it was Zhukov's direct responsibility to explain and prove the error of his judgment.

                    What's wrong? Stalin was absolutely right, Hitler was wrong—that's long been known. Stalin was a politician and determined the political vector, and that's not at all like Zhukov's level. He was, at most, one of many advisers on this issue.
                    Nowadays, a computer with AI can draw anything.

                    The photo was published long before AI became widespread. And the main thing about it isn't the restrained swearing you've seized on so much.
                    1. 0
                      14 November 2025 14: 17
                      What was Stalin right about? Specifically in this situation. That Germany wouldn't attack the USSR? His rightness ended on June 22, 1941. And Zhukov's duty as Chief of the General Staff was precisely to explain his error to Stalin and persuade him to act differently. But apparently, Zhukov simply had no other option.
                      Who, when, and where posted this document for public viewing? Where did it come from?
                      1. +1
                        14 November 2025 14: 29
                        How was Stalin right? In this particular situation.

                        The fact is that Germany had absolutely no interest in attacking the USSR at that time. The attack was the result of Hitler's grave error, who, in his sheer stupidity, believed that the defeat of the USSR would force England to make peace.
                        Zhukov's duty as Chief of the General Staff was precisely to explain Stalin's mistake

                        What mistake? Should I have explained to Stalin that Hitler would commit a blatant folly?
                      2. 0
                        14 November 2025 14: 52
                        Brrr))) Your logic boggles my mind. Germany has no interest in a war with the USSR, yet it attacked the USSR. Sorry, but even Hitler's schizophrenic logic doesn't fit the formula: if we defeat the USSR, i.e., a "war on two fronts," which Germany had already lost once, then England will surrender. When Churchill officially and publicly declared that there would be no capitulation. If England were captured, the government and army would evacuate to Canada, and the war would continue.
                        Zhukov was supposed to report to Stalin on the actual situation on the Soviet-German border and the troop concentrations there, for which he had the GRU and other resources and capabilities. Foolishness or not, Hitler reached Moscow, Leningrad, Volgograd, and Grozny. But the Germans never dreamed of such results in WWI.
                      3. 0
                        19 November 2025 22: 50
                        Chief of the General Staff Zhukov, from January 13, 1941, to June 21, 1941, according to records, was in Stalin’s office for 70 hours and 35 minutes. Stalin knew everything, Zhukov reported everything to him, but the execution of orders was lame, not like now, of course, but still.
                      4. 0
                        20 November 2025 10: 01
                        Brrr))) I'm blown away by your logic. Germany has no interest in a war with the USSR, but it attacked the USSR.

                        This isn't my logic, it's reality. It was exactly like that. Hitler himself warned of the danger of a two-part war, but he started it himself. Of course, no one expected him to make such a grave mistake. But Hitler didn't want to fight England; he wanted peace with them, mistakenly believing that Churchill would agree to such a peace if the USSR factor was removed. Yes, that was a major mistake on Hitler's part. Before that, he misjudged how England would react to an attack on Poland. After that, he foolishly declared war on the USA. Do you think Hitler didn't make mistakes? You're wrong...
                      5. -1
                        20 November 2025 11: 14
                        I'd like to remind you that Hitler was a corporal in WWI; he understood little more than nothing about WWII. And the fact that German generals handed over command of the army and the country to a corporal speaks volumes about their stupidity, venality, or cowardice. They are anything but soldiers defending their country. Read Gisevius at your leisure. The book is certainly biased; he's primarily defending himself, but it also says a lot about the German generals.
                      6. +1
                        20 November 2025 11: 18
                        I would like to remind you that Hitler was a corporal in WWI; he understood WWII a little more than nothing.

                        Stalin was a seminary dropout. One shouldn't confuse political leadership with purely military objectives.
                        Hitler and Stalin were political leaders, they set tasks for the military, and not the other way around.
                      7. +1
                        20 November 2025 11: 28
                        Read the memoirs of people who worked closely with Stalin. He worked very hard to improve his education, including on military matters. War-related books were constantly on his desk, and not just lying there. They were littered with colored pencil marks—not simply skimmed, but carefully studied.
                      8. +1
                        20 November 2025 11: 30
                        He worked very seriously to improve his educational level, including in military matters.

                        Hitler too, if you didn't know. Read the memoirs of Germans.
                      9. 0
                        20 November 2025 11: 35
                        I don't know what Hitler read, but his actions don't suggest it. Stalin may have held the position of Supreme Commander, but the fronts were commanded by marshals (generals), while Hitler practically personally gave orders to division commanders.
                      10. 0
                        20 November 2025 11: 51
                        I don’t know what Hitler read, but his actions don’t show it.

                        Well, yeah, he got to Stalingrad, took half of Europe, and drove the British onto the islands. Not showing up, yeah.
                      11. +1
                        20 November 2025 13: 00
                        The fact that Hitler occupied all of Europe and reached Stalingrad is not due to Hitler (or the German generals). It's due to the British (French, Polish, etc.) generals. And Zhukov personally. As much as I dislike Rezun and Bunich, I still haven't read any clear answers about what actually happened in June 41. Although I find it incredibly interesting.
                      12. 0
                        20 November 2025 12: 01
                        Stalin even took the position of Supreme Commander, but the fronts were commanded by marshals (generals), and Hitler personally gave instructions to almost division commanders.

                        Stalin issued orders down to the rank and file, if you're not aware. For example, direct order No. 0489 of June 17, 1942, stated that pilots were to attack enemy bombers, not fighters.
                      13. 0
                        20 November 2025 12: 50
                        Stalin only signed orders, according to his position. But those orders were drafted by completely different people—the pilots. I don't argue, he could have refused to sign them if he thought they were wrong. Joseph Vessarionovich never signed papers without checking what was written on them.
                      14. -1
                        20 November 2025 10: 08
                        70 hours over six months—that's 10-12 hours a month, a little over half an hour a day. Taking into account regular reports and various meetings—nothing out of the ordinary. There was a war going on, after all...
                      15. 0
                        20 November 2025 17: 20
                        The war began on June 22, 1941, and from January to June 21, 1941, Zhukov was with Stalin before the start of the war.
                      16. +1
                        20 November 2025 11: 11
                        If the Chief of the General Staff spent more than three days in the Supreme Commander's office in six months and couldn't convince him, then he was wasted. Admiral Richardson wasted his very promising career because he disagreed with Roosevelt.
                      17. 0
                        20 November 2025 11: 19
                        Making political decisions is not Zhukov's level.
                      18. 0
                        20 November 2025 11: 21
                        Zhukov had to convince the Supreme Court of Justice or resign. His years of service allowed him to receive a pension and live comfortably in a Moscow apartment.
                      19. 0
                        20 November 2025 11: 26
                        Zhukov was appointed to the post of Chief of the General Staff only in January 1941, and by the beginning of the war he had only just become more or less accustomed to the position.
                        As for "resigning," the military's pre-war pogrom strongly discouraged such a thought. Of the first five marshals, three were eliminated. You'd have to be a complete fool for a military man to get involved in politics during that period. Zhukov wasn't a complete fool.
                      20. 0
                        20 November 2025 11: 32
                        Besides Zhukov, there were a bunch of other generals in the General Staff, most notably the head of the Operations Directorate, who handled planning matters. And the head of the General Staff had more than one deputy. It was the deputy's direct and immediate responsibility to be ready to assume command of the General Staff at any moment, should the need arise. And forgive me, but six months is more than enough time to get a handle on the situation. Zhukov wasn't just a random guy. Yes, Zhukov wasn't a fool, because he valued his own skin greatly; in the end, 27 million rubles were wasted.
                      21. 0
                        20 November 2025 11: 43
                        In the General Staff, besides Zhukov, there were a bunch of other generals

                        So what? Generals don't decide political issues. Unless, of course, they're aiming for the top job. And if they are, they either become one or don't last long.
                        It is the direct and immediate responsibility of the deputy to be ready to assume command of the General Staff at any moment.

                        Zhukov wasn't Deputy Chief of the General Staff. He had no experience with command and control at this level before his appointment (something he himself acknowledged). Of course, he needed time to gain the necessary qualifications. But in any case, political issues weren't decided by the military.
                      22. 0
                        20 November 2025 11: 46
                        The generals' job is to CONVINCING the political leadership, not to meddle in politics. If the Chief of the General Staff can't convince his superiors of their mistakes, then he's wasting his time in office, like Halder.
                      23. 0
                        20 November 2025 11: 49
                        The generals' task is to CONVINC the political leadership

                        To persuade, you need to have your own political position; otherwise, what's there to persuade? And that's not a task for generals.
                      24. 0
                        20 November 2025 12: 56
                        What's the political position? Admiral Richardson knows the capabilities of the Japanese Navy and understands the shortcomings of Pearl Harbor, which he directly communicates to Roosevelt. General Zhukov knows the capabilities of the Wehrmacht, its approximate deployment on the western borders as of early 41, and what did he tell Stalin? Why couldn't he convince him? It was his direct and immediate job to provide objective information about the military and military solutions to problems—purely military ones, without delving into politics.
                      25. 0
                        20 November 2025 17: 24
                        This isn't about political decisions, but purely military ones, which the Chief of the General Staff is responsible for making. Incidentally, that's why Stalin fired him. And what he writes about being fired for saying Kyiv should be surrendered is untrue! According to the visitor log, he didn't visit Stalin on the day Zhukov mentioned.
              2. 0
                27 February 2026 23: 12
                [/quote] 2. The political leadership governs the country as a whole. If the military can't, doesn't know how, or doesn't want to defend its point of view, then they're worthless. And for the country, the cost is terrible. And if the military panders to the political leadership's opinions in everything, this leads to very dire consequences.
                3. Tales about Stalin's obscene resolutions are spread by those who themselves swore, both with and without cause. People who worked alongside Stalin for many years—but not Zhukov, of course—wrote that he rarely raised his voice, and that cursing was extremely rare. So, this is just another liberal fairy tale.
                Even in the USSR there were people who contradicted Stalin because they thought about the country, and not about a soft chair in a warm office. Like Zhukov.

                There's an old axiom: "A subordinate can't be smarter than his superior." This applies to both Stalin's oligarchy and Hitler. Anyone who was smarter was either liquidated or sidelined. The paranoid Stalin was simply afraid of them, unable, due to his ignorance, to even understand them. You've also forgotten to mention his brilliant decrees, like the 7-8, 20-minute lateness to work during a seven-day workweek, the court case, and the 25% reduction in rations, which during the war was tantamount to starvation. Attributing some kind of genius to him as a leader is foolish. Stalin is a historical figure, that's true, but there's no need to justify him. For example, there's a very old saying: "You either speak well of the dead or not at all." However, many intelligent people have said otherwise; we simply need to tell the truth.
        2. 0
          19 November 2025 19: 39
          I read the pre-war orders of the Baltic Military District. They were expecting war and preparing, but where and how is another matter. The fleet was ready, the Odessa Military District hadn't lost any aircraft, and the border was held in the Arctic. Border guards along the entire Western border were prepared. I think Beria's role in the first days of the war, and in the defense of the Caucasus, is still largely unknown, or rather, is being concealed. There's a myth about who's to blame, and for now, many are happy with it.
          1. 0
            20 November 2025 10: 04
            Some made preparations "just in case." But the top brass feared that Hitler might perceive this as preparations for an attack on Germany, so no large-scale preparations were made.
  9. +5
    12 November 2025 11: 00
    How troops were dealt with during the Great Patriotic War

    Differently :((
    An hour later, my subordinates and I saw soldiers fleeing about 900 meters ahead, clearly intending to take cover in the forest. Some were armed, but most were unarmed. It didn't take a military genius to realize that the infantry unit, unable to withstand the German attack, had abandoned its positions in panic. ... A few minutes later, I received a categorical order to fire on the retreating troops. I couldn't believe my ears. How could I fire on my own? The battalion commander ran up to my tank, cursed me, and ordered us to open machine gun fire on the retreating infantry. In a breaking voice, I ordered, "First platoon, open fire over the heads of the infantry. Second platoon, lay down a barrage in front of the retreating troops!"

    The decision I made came to me unexpectedly, although I may have read about creating a situation that would force fleeing soldiers to lie down. This would give them time to recover, look around, and eventually figure out what was happening. After that, it would undoubtedly be easy for the commanders to return them to their positions.

    ...A stream of tracer bullets whistled over the panic-stricken soldiers. ... A curtain of barrage fire rose before the retreating soldiers, clearly visible from the cut buckwheat shoots and the clouds of dust raised by machine-gun fire...

    It didn't take more than a few seconds for the soldiers to lie down as required. I ordered a ceasefire.

    Silence fell, but after a few minutes, several soldiers jumped up and tried to run in our direction again. The first platoon's machine guns dropped them with a few short bursts. It seemed the infantrymen realized that another step toward the rear would mean death, and they made no further attempts to get up and run. Infantry commanders soon appeared, and with a few quick commands, they raised the soldiers lying on the field and led them back to the river, to their positions. As we later discovered, seven soldiers remained lying on the field, having met a shameful death from our machine gun fire.

    From the memoirs of Hero of the Soviet Union, tank colonel Dmitry Loza. The events took place on August 13, 1943. Stalingrad was long gone, and we had already been advancing for some time. As the memoirs show, not only barrier detachments or NKVD troops were used for such missions, but also regular combat units, as in this case, tankers, so it's impossible to accurately calculate the number of casualties. I hope the infantrymen who died in this episode received a standard notification from their own side that they had fallen in battle. :((
    1. 0
      12 November 2025 12: 30
      War is an unpredictable thing, anything can happen, and these are most likely inexperienced reinforcements...
      1. 0
        14 November 2025 10: 55
        I think it happened in all sorts of ways. The cumulative effect of fatigue hasn't been undone. People held out for a while, but then their nerves gave out and they gave in.
        Actually, the passage is about something else entirely. Examining such issues solely based on reports from the barrier detachments and official sentences is fundamentally flawed. The situation was much broader.
    2. 0
      17 November 2025 10: 44
      In Soviet fiction about the war, there were several scenes where the relatives of soldiers executed on the spot for cowardice were told that their husband or father had died on the battlefield. These executed soldiers were then recorded as having died in battle. Clearly, they felt sorry for their relatives. I don't think such scenes came out of nowhere.
      1. 0
        17 November 2025 11: 05
        If the execution was officially documented, then this would hardly have been possible. If it was unofficial, then it could have been different.
        Obviously, they felt sorry for their relatives.

        Besides, it was easier for the commander than to write reports about the escape and those shot in the process.
        1. 0
          17 November 2025 11: 33
          I think this was precisely the case with "unofficial" executions. When I was working on the "Book of Memory" as a student, I often came across the entry "shot for cowardice" in the documents (I can't vouch for the exact wording, but that's the gist). I suspect that many of the executed soldiers with non-Russian surnames and a poor command of Russian simply didn't understand the commands. After all, not all of them served in national units. But these are my unfounded assertions. And among the causes of death in April-May 1945, I repeatedly encountered the entry "death from ethyl alcohol poisoning."
          Incidentally, it's often claimed, including in the Military District, that by the middle of the war, they stopped conscripting representatives of certain nationalities from Central Asia, Transcaucasia, and the North Caucasus. After working on the "Book of Memory" and reviewing numerous personal files, I have a different view. There are numerous Central Asian and Transcaucasian surnames. Although, perhaps, there were some concessions.
          1. +1
            17 November 2025 11: 53
            And among the causes of death in April-May 1945, there were several entries for “death from ethyl alcohol poisoning.”

            I think it's more likely to be methyl alcohol. The Germans actively used it for fuel towards the end of the war, and it looks and smells similar to ethyl alcohol, but it's actually quite a potent poison. There's a scene in the TV series "Liberation" where our tanker (played by Valery Nosik) and a Pole (František Pechka) find a tank of alcohol and immediately taste it.
            -We tankers always taste the fuel. Give me the mess tin.
            - Well, is it good?
            - It's good. You try it too.
            - I don't understand this fuel of yours. What am I, a tank?
            - You'll figure it out.

            They took a big risk in the film. There's a good chance it was methyl alcohol.
            I suspect that many of the executed soldiers with non-Russian surnames and a poor command of Russian simply did not understand the meaning of the commands.

            Perhaps the problem lay elsewhere. In the European part of the country, the habit of following orders and the fear of punishment were stronger than in the Central Asian republics.
            1. 0
              17 November 2025 16: 01
              It is quite possible that this was the case.
  10. 0
    12 November 2025 11: 20
    Regarding penal battalions, I recommend the author read Vladimir Karpov's novel "Take Alive." Firstly, this writer is by no means a liberal (see his "Generalissimo"), and secondly, he actually fought in a penal battalion. Unlike the author of this article.
    Quote:
    The penal company Romashkin was assigned to was formed in the rear from men who had committed various offenses and crimes. It included former prisoners, those who had applied to be sent to the front. They were given the opportunity to atone for their guilt in battle. The company—two hundred and fifty men—underwent a short training course and arrived in a train—in freight cars equipped with bunks and iron stoves—to the rear of the front. Here, local offenders like Romashkin were added to the ranks, staffed with officers, and stationed in the village of Yakimovka to await the offensive: penal soldiers were only allowed to be sent into battle during offensive operations.
    Romashkin handed over the documents to the elderly company commander, Captain Telegin, who was hoarse from smoking and a cold.
    “For what?” asked the captain.
    Vasily told.
    "Well, that's just a prank. You're a child compared to our penal battalions. By the way, be careful with them; they have their own atamans, their own laws. There are even former criminals in the company."
    Well, etc.
    1. 0
      17 November 2025 10: 55
      This excerpt refers to a separate penal company. Vladimir Karpov served in the 45th separate penal company. A penal battalion and a separate penal company are completely different units. Although, incidentally, separate penal companies were sometimes larger than penal battalions. And a penal battalion company is not the same as a separate penal company. Penal battalions were exclusively staffed by commanders who had committed misdemeanors and crimes. A punished combat commander was never sent to a separate penal company.
  11. 0
    12 November 2025 11: 45
    Headquarters, at the request of the commander of the Bryansk Front, General Eremenko, on September 5, 1941, permitted the creation of barrier detachments in those divisions that had proven themselves to be unstable.
    In the famous Panfilov 316th Infantry Division there was also a barrier detachment from one battalion of the 1075th Infantry Regiment of Colonel Kaprov, where the famous 28 Panfilovites were born in the 2nd Infantry Battalion.
    It's not as if the division was particularly unstable. Most likely, there was an order to create barrier detachments across all divisions of the Western Front.
  12. +2
    12 November 2025 12: 12
    "Penal Battalion" is a 2004 Russian television series. Based on the novel of the same name by Eduard Voldarsky, it was directed by Nikolai Dostal. It is a typical example of liberal, anti-Soviet propaganda: criminals save the Motherland, even though they were not in penal units; penal detachments execute their own en masse; the utter vilification of special officers, NKVD soldiers, and commanders, as well as the Red Army; fraternization with the Germans, etc.
    The esteemed author apparently isn't aware that this series, saturated with hatred for the Soviet regime, is shown almost monthly on the Pobeda TV channel. It might seem like sheer nonsense, but the government sees it differently. The author would do well to be more careful in his statements. As should the rest of us.
    1. +5
      12 November 2025 13: 52
      I don't like Serebryakov...
    2. +4
      12 November 2025 19: 06
      Quote: AlexSam
      The series, imbued with hatred for the Soviet regime, is shown almost monthly on the Pobeda TV channel.


      Does this phenomenon show that there is even a small element of truth there?
      Not at all, it just proves that TV has long been in the hands of the liberals.
      And the authorities of capitalist Russia are not in the least concerned with whitewashing the USSR, even in a simple display of truth.
      This country, even in disarray, still frightens them and will continue to do so in the future if the authorities ultimately simply don't dare tell the truth about it—about all the good things that happened there, as well as the bad, of which there was plenty.
      Learning from mistakes could have saved the country from many misfortunes and sorrows in the future.
      But will this ever happen?
      Doubtful.
      1. +1
        13 November 2025 11: 12
        That's all understandable. What's infuriating is this: this crap is regularly and deliberately played on "Pobeda," which we associate with the most sacred things, with truth. But no! Young generations must know that the war wasn't won by ordinary people, workers and peasants, not by NKVD blocking detachments led by a tyrant up to his neck in blood, but by simple, unpretentious thieves, as humble as a ten-kopeck coin, who were so cruelly oppressed by the Bolsheviks. This is precisely how the State raises new generations of idiots—consumers—and this is precisely why public sector workers are being forced to vote en masse, seeking the proverbial 87% voter turnout. So that nothing changes.
        1. +1
          14 November 2025 02: 37
          Quote: AlexSam
          What's annoying is that this crap is regularly and deliberately played on Pobeda, which we associate with the most sacred, with truth.


          Well, that's precisely what should surprise you the least. After all, the name itself doesn't reflect the essence of either the channel or its owners.
          They deliberately take your most precious feelings and smear them with so much crap that you will no longer understand how you could previously value these words, actions or names.
          This is their main goal - to destroy your foundations, what you believe in, what you value.
          After which, completely different values ​​are very easily imposed on you, and they lead you to the point where you begin to perceive this as self-evident.

          Every Russian should have the country 404 before their eyes. Here, like nowhere else, one can clearly see what Russia should have achieved and what is being done to ensure that everything is like there.
          Occam's razor in all its glory. And the saddest thing is, it works.
          1. +1
            14 November 2025 09: 15
            Quote: Igool
            Their main goal is to destroy your foundations, what you believe in, what you value.

            They'll fall in love with swallowing dust))) I was born and raised in the Soviet Union, I'm a Soviet person, I'm Russian, and that says it all. I twisted them.
            1. +1
              14 November 2025 23: 52
              Quote: AlexSam
              I was born and raised in the Soviet Union, I am a Soviet person, I am Russian, and that says it all. I twisted them.


              Support. soldier soldier soldier
        2. 0
          17 November 2025 11: 08
          Shortly before the war, my grandfather's brother was sent from the collective farm to the city to study, either at a vocational school or a factory training school—I'm not sure—as part of the mobilization of labor reserves. He got homesick and ran away. For this, he was sentenced to a short term in a correctional labor colony (there were such colonies back then, where those sentenced to up to three years were sent; not to be confused with correctional labor camps). After the war began, he wrote a letter of request to volunteer for the front, and it was granted. He served in a regular unit, not a penal unit. He was decorated with medals. His criminal record was expunged. Can he be considered a criminal, a thug?
    3. 0
      17 November 2025 10: 58
      The film is full of distortions and inconsistencies. But it's shot very well, and the actors deliver superb performances; you care about the fates of the characters they play. I would have included a short historical background at the beginning or end of the film about what penal battalions were like and how they were formed.
  13. +4
    12 November 2025 13: 39
    My maternal grandfather fought in the 2nd Shock Army, was captured, and liberated in 1945. He was never imprisoned; he was brought home. He was, however, disabled: his fingers were frozen while in captivity.
    1. 0
      17 November 2025 11: 11
      My grandmother's sister's husband was also a prisoner of war, but he wasn't imprisoned anywhere. After the war, he was honored as a war veteran; there was no harassment. But he was a private. The situation might have been different for officers.
  14. +1
    12 November 2025 15: 12
    Personally, I have a hard time believing in the total dominance of "blocking detachments." Perhaps in ancient times, when everyone had the same weapons, this could have happened. But during WWII, when there was more than just infantry, this phenomenon couldn't have been widespread! Because then we would have had to have "blocking tanks," "blocking aircraft," "blocking ships"... Or, what, could these categories of troops retreat?
    1. 0
      12 November 2025 15: 43
      there were rear guard troops, usually called "barrier detachments"
      1. +1
        12 November 2025 19: 11
        Quote: faiver
        rear guard troops


        Well, their functions included more of a guard role for rear facilities when the front was close:

        "April 28, 1942

        Top secret

        1. The protection of the rear of the fronts is organized by the Military Councils of the fronts and is carried out by military units and rear institutions of the People's Commissariat of Defense and units of the NKVD troops of the USSR specially allocated for this purpose.

        2. The NKVD troops guarding the rear of the Active Red Army are responsible for:

        1) the fight against saboteurs, spies and bandit elements in the rear of the front;

        2) fight against deserters and marauders;

        3) liquidation of small enemy detachments and groups penetrating or being sent into the rear of the front (machine gunners, paratroopers, signalmen, etc.);

        4) in special cases (by decision of the Front Military Council) protection of communications in certain areas;

        3. The composition of the NKVD troops for the protection of the rear of the Active Red Army for each front is determined separately by the General Staff of the Red Army and the NKVD of the USSR.

        4. The leadership of the activities of the NKVD troops within the front is carried out by the chief of the NKVD troops for the protection of the rear of the front, who is subordinate in all respects to the chief of the Main Directorate of the Internal Troops of the NKVD of the USSR.

        In operational terms, the chief of the NKVD troops for the protection of the rear of the front is also subordinate to the Military Council of the front and carries out all its instructions on organizing the protection of the rear of the front in accordance with the tasks provided for in this regulation.

        The depth of the rear of the front, guarded by NKVD troops, is determined by the General Staff of the Red Army jointly with the NKVD of the USSR.

        The use of NKVD troops to protect the rear for purposes other than their intended purpose may only be carried out with the permission of the NKVD of the USSR.

        5. The organizational structure, staffing, recruitment of command personnel, as well as all other issues related to the organization of the NKVD troops for the protection of the rear of the front are under the jurisdiction of the NKVD of the USSR and cannot be changed without its approval.

        The transfer of NKVD troops from one front to another is carried out by decision of the General Staff of the Red Army and is carried out by orders of the NKVD of the USSR.

        6. The supply of all types of supplies (including weapons) to the NKVD troops protecting the rear of the front is carried out from the supply agencies of the Red Army upon requests from the supply agencies of the NKVD Directorate for the Protection of the Rear of the Front. Payment for all types of material and technical support is carried out centrally between the Military Supply Directorate of the NKVD of the USSR and the central supply agencies of the Red Army.

        7. The composition of the service details of the NKVD troops for the protection of the rear of the front, performing duties to protect the rear of the Active Red Army, have the right, within the boundaries of the territory protected by the NKVD troops, to detain all persons violating the regime established in the front zone by the military command, to check the documents of all persons without exception (both civilians and military personnel) moving within this territory, and also to detain persons in relation to whom it has been established or is suspected of their hostile anti-Soviet activity (spies, accomplices of the enemy, etc.).

        The actions of the squads must be decisive and persistent, even to the point of using weapons.

        8. In their operational and service activities, the NKVD troops for the protection of the rear of the front report to the Military Council and the Chief of the Internal Troops of the NKVD of the USSR in the manner and within the timeframes established by them.

        Deputy People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR
        Marshal of the Soviet Union
        Shaposhnikov

        Deputy People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR
        Major General
        Apollonov

        RGVA. F. 32905. Op. 1. D. 163. L. 169–170. Certified copy.

        Published by: Petrov N. V. The first chairman of the KGB Ivan Serov. Moscow, 2005. Pp. 217–219.
  15. 0
    12 November 2025 19: 39
    "In Tsarist Russia during the First World War, first Cossack blocking detachments were formed, operating on horseback, and then foot machine-gun units, called "death squadrons"." :-)
  16. +1
    13 November 2025 09: 45
    At first I didn't understand who the author of the article was. winked but after the words: Soviet power, under the conditions of the invasion of Hitler's "European Union," which aimed at a complete solution to the "Russian question," that is, the physical elimination of the indigenous peoples of Russian civilization I guessed it right away laughing
  17. 0
    13 November 2025 11: 03
    Uh... It turns out that all these articles about Ukraine, where they catch draft dodgers and don't shoot deserters, show the opposite, softness... and our propaganda in some ways continues the liberal 90s...
  18. 0
    16 November 2025 10: 27
    When burglars break into your home, you grab a double-barreled shotgun and defend yourself. Otherwise, you'll be robbed, or even killed. It's exactly the same here—in 1941-1942, there were no easy solutions to avoid extinction. If there hadn't been tough measures, the country might not have survived. In the fall of 1941 and the summer and fall of 1942, we were one step away from the abyss.
  19. 0
    17 November 2025 03: 31
    Quote: Olgovich
    Olgovich
    (Andrei)
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    12 November 2025 14: 59
    Quote: faiver
    and he was also a spy for 38 intelligence agencies

    Musavatist - he himself admitted

    Ah... Well, if he admitted it himself, that changes things.
    Aren't you ashamed to write such nonsense? Or are you just blurting it out?
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    22 February 2026 14: 30
    I have a book about the Red Army generals who were captured and their fate after their release from captivity, "Stalin's Generals in Captivity."