Airborne defense systems based on gas-dynamic lasers for the Russian Aerospace Forces

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Airborne defense systems based on gas-dynamic lasers for the Russian Aerospace Forces


Active defense


The issue of the need to equip domestic aircraft and helicopters with combat and auxiliary equipment aviation on-board self-defense systems against attacking ammunition, missiles The author has repeatedly raised the issue of air-to-air (A-A) and anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs) of the enemy on the pages of Military Review.



In this case, we mean precisely the systems that ensure the physical destruction of attacking munitions, and not their suppression, for example, by means of electronic warfare (EW) or their diversion to the side using ejected or towed traps.

There are various ways to implement on-board self-defense systems for aircraft, for example, using small-sized air-to-air interceptors, which are essentially air-to-air missiles with reduced range and dimensions – we discussed this earlier in the article Air-to-air anti-missile missiles.


An image of the MSDM interceptor concept compared to short- and medium-range air-to-air missiles.

In principle, conventional air-to-air missiles with the necessary seeker sensitivity to lock on incoming enemy missiles could also be used as interceptors. However, it is more effective to develop air-to-air interceptors as a separate class of weapons due to the specific nature of the targets they engage and the need to intercept them at relatively short ranges. Interceptors can be made smaller and lighter than air-to-air missiles.

For heavy bomber, transport, and support aircraft, close-in defense systems based on rapid-fire automatic cannons and projectiles with remote detonation along the trajectory can be implemented – we also discussed this in an earlier article Return of the "heavenly fortresses": airborne air defense rifle and gun system.

The problem is that airborne self-defense systems based on rapid-fire automatic cannons can only be installed on large subsonic aircraft.

We also previously considered such a direction as active protection systems for aircraft equipment (KAZ AT), capable of defeating attacking enemy missiles using shrapnel munitions or unguided munitions detonated remotely along the trajectory. Potentially, the AT APS could be based on the aforementioned L-370 Vitebsk airborne defense system or on other APS systems for ground vehicles.

Active protection systems for aircraft are unlikely to be able to protect against heavy long-range SAMs, such as the 48N6 family of missiles of the S-400 system with their powerful warheads weighing 150-180 kilograms. At the expected operating range of the AT APS, the detonation of such SAMs will most likely still damage or destroy the protected aircraft. However, AT APS can be quite effective against SAMs and air-to-air missiles with small warheads or those attacking using the direct hit-to-kill method.


Northrop Grumman Corporation's concept for an integrated air defense system with guided munitions – possibly already implemented on the B-21 Raider strategic bomber

By the way, the KAZ AT would be especially useful now in the zone of the Russian special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine as a means of protecting combat helicopters from FPV-drones, man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) and anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs).

Finally, one of the most promising areas is the development of airborne laser defense systems (ALDS) – their main advantage is their relatively unlimited ammunition supply and the speed of light with which the laser beam reaches its target.

When they talk about laser weapons, they'll certainly think of bad weather—rain, snow, fog, and smoke screens. While it's undeniable that various atmospheric phenomena impede the propagation of laser radiation, their significance is greatly exaggerated. Just because something is invisible to the eye doesn't mean it's opaque to other wavelengths. There's a concept called an atmospheric transparency window, where the atmosphere's influence on a certain wavelength range is minimal.

As for aviation, high-altitude flights offer practically ideal conditions for laser weapons: on the one hand, there's high atmospheric transparency, and on the other, there's sufficient airflow to remove excess heat from the laser. It's especially important to consider that we plan to use laser weapons for self-defense against SAMs and air-to-air missiles, not to shoot down incoming ballistic missiles from a thousand kilometers away (and the US has even considered that).

The power of light


Experiments with mounting laser weapons on aircraft were conducted back in the 20th century. However, back then, these were heavy transport aircraft, as only they could accommodate the massive chemical or gas-dynamic lasers of the time. Even then, the possibility of destroying air-to-air missiles with lasers was confirmed. However, The deployment of powerful gas-dynamic combat lasers on heavy aircraft carriers is now fully justified for use against enemy personnel and equipment..


Image: Lasers and Laser Systems. Photonics, Vol. 14, No. 8, 2020

Gas-dynamic combustion CO2 lasers were developed back in the 70s and 80s. Megawatt-class laboratory gas-dynamic lasers developed in the USSR and the USA, as well as a 400 kW American laser of the same type, along with a beam steering system, installed on the ALL flying laboratory, made it possible for the first time to practically test and evaluate the scale and complexity of the technological challenges involved in creating laser weapons... Lasers and Laser Systems. Photonics, Vol. 14, No. 8, 2020.

However, by the early 21st century, advances in the development of powerful and compact lasers allowed consideration to be given to their installation on tactical aircraft and helicopters. Advances in laser weapons were primarily driven by the increased efficiency and power of solid-state and fiber lasers, which do not require expensive and fire-hazardous consumables like chemical lasers and are powered by electricity.

This is precisely the direction in which the world's leading powers are currently concentrating their efforts. The leaders here are the United States, China, Israel, the United Kingdom, and France. Some work is underway in Turkey, but the big question is who makes the laser modules themselves.

Contrary to the opinion of skeptics, progress in this direction is proceeding quite quickly. In particular, solid-state lasers with a power of tens of kilowatts, placed on the wheeled chassis of the Striker armored personnel carrier, are already being tested in the US Army, the Israeli Armed Forces (AF) announced the adoption of laser air defense systems, whose output power is expected to exceed 100 kW, and China presented the Laoxian-1 naval cannon, with an output power of 250 kW.

Regarding Russia's high-power solid-state and fiber laser programs, everything is shrouded in secrecy. Based on open-source development data in this area, it can be assumed that the power of Russian solid-state and fiber lasers, which will be used in advanced air defense systems in the near future, will be approximately 25-50 kW.

So far, the dimensions of laser systems only allow us to speak with confidence about the possibility of their deployment on strategic and transport aircraft, in particular, there is a possibility that onboard A laser self-defense system could be installed on the newest American strategic bomber, the B-21 Raider.Even if the B-21's current configuration does not include laser weapons, it is likely that space has been reserved for them in the design, and power takeoff devices and electric generators are installed on the turbojet engines.

However, it's only a matter of time; eventually, combat lasers are guaranteed to make their way onto tactical aircraft, and these could be either built-in solutions or fully autonomous modular systems mounted on external slings.

The problem of providing laser weapons with electrical energy must be mentioned separately.

Current strength


The efficiency of modern high-power solid-state lasers is on average about 25%, meaning that to power a 50 kW laser, 200 kW of electrical power is required.

In fact, generating such power in aircraft has long been a relatively simple task. For example, the generators mounted on the turbojet shafts of the American E-3 Sentry airborne early warning and control aircraft (AEW&C) produce approximately one megawatt of electrical power—and this aircraft is already several decades old. There's no doubt that a couple of hundred kilowatts could be squeezed out of the turbojet engines of tactical combat aircraft, had this been the original design goal, even if it meant slightly increasing the aircraft's overall weight.


Primary and secondary energy sources, as well as energy converters, have made significant progress in our time, thanks in large part to the rapidly developing electric vehicles. For example, the need to ensure fast charging of electric vehicles has driven the development of power electronics; in China, for example, charging stations with a capacity exceeding one megawatt have already appeared.

Some Tesla electric vehicles have a battery capacity of 100 kWh and weigh 900 kilograms, meaning such a battery would provide approximately half an hour of continuous operation for a 50 kW laser with an efficiency of 25%. The efficiency and power density (per unit mass) of electric motors and generators are gradually increasing—the latter are actively developing not only in electric vehicles and electric aircraft, but also in the context of "green energy," despite the criticisms leveled by proponents of traditional power generation methods.

Chain of transformations


There are two options for deploying combat lasers on aircraft carriers, the first of which is to place the laser emitter and batteries for its power on the external sling of existing aircraft carriers.

The second option is the deep integration of laser weapons, including power sources for them, into the design of promising, currently being developed and extensively modernized aviation systems. Moreover, batteries in such an integrated combat laser system will most likely still be present as a buffer between the generator and the laser emitter.

The second option will always have advantages in terms of power and operating time, while the first option will potentially cover a much wider range of aviation systems.

It should be noted that in the second option we have a chain of transformations with a loss of efficiency - the energy of the turbojet engine shaft is converted by the generator into electrical energy, after which it is stored in a buffer battery and only then converted into laser radiation, and if we are talking about a laser with an efficiency of 25%, then with an 80% efficiency of the electric generator and a total efficiency of 80% of the charge-discharge of the batteries (taking into account high currents and complex temperature conditions), the final efficiency will be only 16%.

On the other hand, the efficiency of promising solid-state lasers can exceed 70%, and the efficiency of generators and batteries can exceed 90%, in which case the total efficiency will already be over 60%, which is quite a lot.

However, taking into account possible Given the risks of our country falling behind in the development of combat laser systems based on solid-state lasers, as well as related products—compact and powerful electric generators and capacious high-current batteries—it is advisable to consider other options for equipping domestic combat aircraft with laser weapons, in particular, switching to the direct conversion of turbojet engine energy into laser radiation.

Direct transformation


One of the areas of laser weapon development in which our country achieved good results back in the Soviet era is the aforementioned gas-dynamic lasers, in which the energy of gases accelerated to supersonic speeds in a turbojet engine is directly converted into laser radiation.


Image Photonics Vol. 14, No. 8, 2020

Using such lasers on ground-based platforms is not very convenient due to the fact that each laser requires an expensive and difficult-to-maintain gas turbine. However, turbojet engines are installed "by default" on combat aircraft. Therefore, by capturing a portion of the exhaust gases from turbojet engines on combat and support aircraft, they can be used to generate laser radiation in integrated airborne laser defense systems.

This idea does not belong to the author of this material at all – the proposal for the implementation of on-board laser systems based on gas-dynamic lasers, by taking part of the turbojet engine power, was published in the publication Photonics, Volume 14, Issue 8, 2020.

...there are GDL variants that use ambient air supplied by the compressor of an aircraft gas turbine engine (GTE) as the oxidizer, with the majority (over 95%) of the fuel taken from the atmosphere. This allows for a significant reduction in component storage requirements, as the transported supply only includes fuel, which accounts for no more than 5% of the total consumption. This laser appears quite promising for deployment on aircraft... Lasers and Laser Systems. Photonics Vol. 14, No. 8, 2020.


Image: Lasers and Laser Systems. Photonics, Vol. 14, No. 8, 2020

...the output power characteristics of a gas dynamic laser using a kerosene-air fuel composition based on two AL-31F aircraft engines are presented. It is evident that, using two engines with a high pressure ratio and high flow rate, even with only 5% air extraction, a laser power of approximately 80 kW can be achieved in an uncooled nozzle block (laser prechamber temperature no higher than 1500 K). Using cooled nozzle vanes and a prechamber temperature of approximately 2000 K, the power can be increased to 135 kW... Lasers and Laser Systems. Photonics Vol. 14 No. 8 2020.

Conclusions


Of course, it's highly likely that electrically powered lasers will dominate combat lasers in the near future—these devices are the easiest to operate, relatively easy to scale, and can be deployed on a wide variety of platforms. At the same time, gas-dynamic lasers could well be in demand in aviation, where the working fluid needed to pump them is produced "naturally."

The topic of combat lasers in our country is quite closed, so it is difficult to reliably judge the state of affairs in this area. However, in the event that we do not have high-power solid-state combat lasers (on the order of hundreds of kilowatts) close to being adopted into service, we should return to the topic of gas-dynamic lasers with regard to their integration into existing, deeply modernized, and future aviation systems.

The main problem is that integration must occur at the earliest possible stage, and it must involve not only the developers of the aircraft or helicopters equipped with gas-dynamic laser weapons, but also the developers of the turbojet engines from which these lasers will receive pumping.


It is possible that somewhere here an ABLCO based on a gas-dynamic laser, receiving pumping from two turbojet engines of a fighter, could be located

Of course, no one wants any extra hassle, so the development of airborne laser defense systems based on deeply integrated gas-dynamic lasers is only possible with the active interest of the Russian Aerospace Forces.
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  1. +1
    10 November 2025 03: 27
    This is only possible if the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation are actively interested in this.

    I really hope that no one will take an interest in this and flush yet more billions of money down the toilet.
    1. +6
      10 November 2025 14: 00
      Roughly the same comments were often written about 10 years ago by people like you regarding drones of all kinds.
  2. +1
    10 November 2025 03: 31
    This is only possible if the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation are actively interested in this.
    And financing....
    1. +1
      15 November 2025 21: 26
      You can simply stay out of the way, don't pester them with advice or moralizing, don't put a spoke in their wheel, and don't engage in "chaika management" or micromanagement. We have many talented and capable people. The main thing is simply not to interfere. Examples of this include drone manufacturers who started out with garage-based DIY projects.
  3. +1
    10 November 2025 05: 12
    The problem is that airborne self-defense systems based on rapid-fire automatic cannons can only be installed on large subsonic aircraft.

    Why?
    If the automatic cannon, its auxiliary devices, and some of its ammunition are contained within a sphere in the nose or aft of an aircraft, aerodynamic drag will be minimal. True, 100% targeting coverage won't be achieved. However, it will weigh significantly less than the Peresvet under the wing.
    Regarding air-to-air interceptor missiles, it's more effective to create decoys rather than destructive weapons. On collision courses, a missile and interceptor missile have higher speeds and a short reaction time. Furthermore, air-to-air missiles are equipped with a remote fuse. Transport, anti-submarine, and bomber aircraft only need an automated active defense system with a significantly longer range. The only question is what to sacrifice, as it will be quite heavy.
    And finally, any laser system will require a ton of energy. This problem can be solved with an electrochemical laser power source, but this automatically limits the rate of fire and the number of shots.
    I'm afraid we're still a long way from nuclear-powered engines. However...
    Have a nice day everyone, don't judge too harshly what I just threw at the fan...
    1. +3
      10 November 2025 05: 22
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Why?

      Equipment weight and additional internal volume. Trying to cram all sorts of systems into an aircraft (which are inherently large in size and weight) will ultimately limit its core capabilities. And in the case of lasers, it won't allow it to take off at all.
      1. +2
        10 November 2025 08: 29
        Yeah, minus the combat load, range, maneuverability, additional air resistance, so what?
      2. +1
        11 November 2025 20: 55
        Quote: Puncher
        Equipment weight and additional internal volume. Trying to cram all sorts of systems into an aircraft (which are inherently large in size and weight) will ultimately reduce its core capabilities to a minimum.

        In fact, any aircraft has one or two powerful gas turbines with excess torque on the shafts. By diverting some of this torque to generate and power a laser with a power of approximately 100 kW, the engine thrust won't be reduced, but it will be possible to power a laser powerful enough to intercept SAMs or missiles. This isn't just for light fighters, of course, but it's certainly possible for heavy fighters and bombers to be considered. More and more combat lasers on vehicle chassis are appearing for target air defense, and they have roughly the same power. Leaving aside the vehicle and diesel generator, the actual hardware for an electric fiber laser isn't all that complex and could very well be modified for installation on an aircraft. Not immediately, but after the technology has been refined so that it doesn't overload the aircraft. And since such a laser can replace an onboard cannon in terms of functionality, and its weight will roughly correspond to the weight of this cannon + ammunition, then for the flight performance of the aircraft itself this will go completely unnoticed.
        Clearly, such a possibility exists in principle and requires practical development and R&D.
        1. 0
          12 November 2025 05: 04
          Quote: bayard
          And since such a laser can replace an onboard cannon in terms of functionality, and its weight will roughly correspond to the weight of this cannon + ammunition, then for the flight performance of the aircraft itself this will go completely unnoticed.

          Lasers of that size don't exist, and never will. In movies, of course, or in the Star Wars universe, or somewhere else. But even ground-based systems are questionable today.
          1. +1
            12 November 2025 05: 18
            Quote: Puncher
            But today, even ground-based systems are questionable.

            The Americans are already installing lasers of several hundred kilowatts on ships. Even the Turks have developed a 50 kW laser for automobiles.
            I'm not saying there's anything worth installing right now, but I'm saying we need to start working on this issue. A tremendous amount of energy can be extracted from the turbine torque. If the generators/receivers for this power are compact enough and a laser of around 100 kW can be produced, then it would be possible to install one on bombers for self-defense, at the very least. We just need to conduct R&D and improve our laser expertise. Currently, at this power, they're only effective for 2-3 km. But that's precisely the effective range of an automatic cannon. It's quite sufficient for intercepting SAMs and missiles.
            1. 0
              12 November 2025 06: 13
              Quote: bayard
              The Americans are already installing lasers of several hundred kilowatts on ships. Even the Turks have developed a 50 kW laser for automobiles.

              You're somewhat confusing attempts to create something sensible with production prototypes that meet the specifications. Nothing has been created yet, but there are plenty of claims... and money spent.
              1. 0
                12 November 2025 13: 48
                Serial production is just beginning, as we gain experience, refine the guidance system, target acquisition, optimize the pulse calculation, refine the platforms, and operate in various climatic and weather conditions. But the "Close Air Defense" approach as a counter-UAV capability is being thoroughly developed.
                As a means of self-defense for aircraft, the topic is also interesting, but specifically for large aircraft (bombers, military transport aircraft, government aircraft, and in the future, this may also become possible on heavy fighters.
                1. 0
                  13 November 2025 04: 15
                  Quote: bayard
                  In the future, this might even become possible on heavy fighters.

                  The impossibility of creating a combat laser was determined back in the 80s and 90s. People (those in power) are usually weak in technical matters and are easily fooled by wunderwaffe, especially given their "dronephobia."
                  I assure you, they will continue to exploit this topic for a long time, but there will be no real working tool.
                  1. 0
                    13 November 2025 10: 04
                    To destroy a drone at a range of 1-2 km, a laser power of 50-100 kW is sufficient. Such lasers already exist. Once the technology is perfected, they might even appear on aircraft—they have a ton of free energy from turbines. But in the atmosphere, such a weapon will never have a long range; atmospheric absorption is too high.
            2. KCA
              0
              20 January 2026 11: 23
              Tell me, if the engine turbines produce a huge amount of excess energy, then why, say, on the SU-34, do they install a separate turbine (APU) to generate electrical energy?
              1. 0
                20 January 2026 11: 43
                Quote: KCA
                Why then, say, on the SU-34, do they install a separate turbine (APU) to generate electrical energy?

                To start engines without using auxiliary airfield devices.
                Quote: KCA
                if the engine turbines produce a huge amount of excess energy,

                For example, a single turbine in the Global Hawk's main engine is capable of providing sufficient power for the entire onboard reconnaissance and communications system, including a fairly powerful side-looking active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar. This still leaves some power generation capacity.
                But without an APU, you cannot start the engines on a modern aircraft, so in order not to create more entities, the APU also acts as an on-board generator.
    2. 0
      15 November 2025 21: 35
      If the automatic cannon with auxiliary devices and part of the ammunition is enclosed in a sphere in the bow
      It won't work for two reasons.
      1. Weight distribution. The cockpit is already a huge headache for designers due to its size and weight.
      2 There is already an AFAR there.

      On collision courses, the missile and anti-missile have high speeds and short reaction times.
      For a laser, this makes no difference. The speed of oncoming courses never exceeds the speed of light.

      Any laser system will require a lot of energy.
      Semiconductors have long been operating with an efficiency of more than 90%.

      This problem can be solved with an electrochemical laser power source,
      In this regard, batteries are weak in terms of stored energy and are extremely heavy.
  4. 0
    10 November 2025 05: 14
    In principle, conventional air-to-air missiles with the required seeker sensitivity can also be used as anti-missiles.

    Where shall we put the sun?
    1. +3
      10 November 2025 05: 22
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Where shall we put the sun?

      We'll filter it. Some with filters, some with software. Greetings. hi laughing
      1. +5
        10 November 2025 05: 28
        Quote: Paranoid62
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Where shall we put the sun?

        We'll filter it. Some with filters, some with software. Greetings. hi laughing

        Today, seekers are already being calibrated to the lower aperture threshold. The interceptor missile flies not at the tail (heat spot), but towards it. This requires a combined guidance head. Unfortunately, machine vision is still slow at supersonic speeds; that's a question for tomorrow.
        My regards!
        1. +3
          10 November 2025 05: 30
          Quote: Puncher
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Where shall we put the sun?

          Hmm... so modern homing radars have at least two guidance channels: one for IR radiation and two for the UV shadow created by a flying object. The sun, however, is a source of UV radiation; it doesn't create its own shadow.

          A well-reasoned answer, I have nothing to add. Mine was pure banter—well, I'm no rocket scientist. request
    2. +3
      10 November 2025 05: 24
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Where shall we put the sun?

      Hmm... so modern homing radars have at least two guidance channels: one for IR radiation and two for the UV shadow created by a flying object. The sun, however, is a source of UV radiation; it doesn't create its own shadow.
    3. +2
      10 November 2025 09: 21
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      In principle, conventional air-to-air missiles with the required seeker sensitivity can also be used as anti-missiles.

      We tried! We tried using "regular" missiles as anti-missiles! It didn't work out well...or not very well! wink Of course, some "enthusiasm" remains! And attempts to create a universal missile defense system (anti-aircraft missile and interceptor missile in one package!) continue! For example, Israel (in service) and the United States (developed). But these are still specialized (not "regular") missile defense systems! And the current focus is on specialized interceptors! This "emphasis" is explained by the fact that "universal" missile defense systems reduce a fighter's combat load due to their weight and size... and, furthermore, because enemy missile defense systems and SAMs "seek a rendezvous" with an aircraft, and not vice versa, interceptors don't need a long range!That is, anti-missiles can be small-sized and light, and have a short range compared to “classic” missiles! For example, one of the interceptor missiles being developed by NATO is 1 meter long and weighs 10 kg! Such interceptors can be carried on a combat aircraft in "decent" numbers without significantly reducing the payload!
  5. 0
    10 November 2025 05: 21
    Thus, by collecting a portion of the gases exiting the turbojet engines of combat and support aircraft, they can be used to generate laser radiation in integrated airborne laser defense systems.

    Advanced comrades, as far as I know, are correct – we're having problems supplying power to the onboard AESA systems. To power the laser, we need to increase power by at least an order of magnitude. Any draw from the turbines is a power loss. I'm writing this as the owner of a turbocharged diesel car. Turn on the heater and you'll lose fuel.
    1. +1
      10 November 2025 10: 07
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Any extraction from turbines is a loss of power.

      There's such a thing as an MHD generator... based on a turbojet engine, to generate large amounts of energy using relatively small (!) equipment! Roughly speaking, but to put it mildly, it's a jet engine "covered" in electric windings (electromagnets?). Something like that... I read about this a long time ago, but then I didn't really pay attention!
      1. +2
        10 November 2025 14: 13
        There is such a thing as an MHD generator... based on a turbojet engine. To generate a large amount of energy on relatively (!)

        The law of conservation of energy has already been raised here using the example of a stove in a diesel car.
        The less you subtract from the MHD, the less the jet engine will receive.
    2. +2
      10 November 2025 23: 22
      Is it possible to place an ultra-small nuclear reactor for pumping a laser in the "Burevestnik" aircraft?
      1. 0
        15 November 2025 21: 45
        Everything is gradually moving in that direction! We'll likely see an update (Burevestnik 2.0), which will not only be a cruise missile, but also a system equipped with additional weapons to actively counter air and missile defense systems. With such a powertrain, powering a powerful electronic warfare system and a laser is simply itching.
  6. +1
    10 November 2025 05: 33
    For aviation, it's better to use a turbine-pumped maser rather than a laser. Masers can at least find applications in radar systems and communications equipment.
    1. +1
      10 November 2025 09: 52
      The US has the F-35B VTOL aircraft in service! A special fan behind the cockpit is used to generate lift... (A similar design was supposed to be used in the Yak-201 VTOL aircraft!) The Americans are planning to use this fan to generate electricity to power laser weapons!
      1. +1
        10 November 2025 19: 35
        It's unlikely that all their developments should be followed directly. It's far more interesting to develop a compact and powerful radar now, in which the radio emission generator is a chemical maser combined with an engine. Such a radar could form the basis for an air defense aircraft. Laser technology is still experimental, but such a radar would find immediate application.
      2. -1
        10 November 2025 23: 26
        The F-35B is the Yak-38 in American terms; we screwed up (sold) our planes.
        1. -1
          11 November 2025 04: 08
          Quote: STORM 12
          The F-35B is the Yak-38 in American terms; we screwed up (sold) our planes.

          No, not the Yak-38, but the Yak-141
        2. 0
          11 November 2025 18: 13
          Quote: STORM 12
          The F-35B is the Yak-38 in American terms; we screwed up (sold) our planes.

          Actually, the "legend" talks about the Yak-141! But don't take it at face value! It's possible it's a myth! It's not that they sold it... it's that they actually used it! Externally, both the Yak-141 and the F-35B are similar! But the design differences are undeniable! The F-35B uses a lift fan behind the cockpit; the Yak-141 doesn't! The Yak-201 design is more similar to the F-35B!
  7. +2
    10 November 2025 06: 46
    The author thought, picked his nose, and came up with a whole new idea. I envy him. I wish I could do that.
    1. +5
      10 November 2025 06: 48
      Author Andrey Mitrofanov *NM*
  8. +2
    10 November 2025 07: 02
    The battery capacity of some Tesla electric vehicles is 100 kW/h with a weight of 900 kilograms, which means that such a battery will provide about half an hour of continuous operation of a 50 kW laser,

    What will be the current under this discharge mode, and what power will be released through the battery's internal resistance, the supply wires, and 75% of the losses in the laser's active body? Estimate the heating temperature of this entire system.
    The article from Photonics is a bit disingenuous, it is impossible to ensure the generation of treatment on dirty CO without certain measures, which result in a “laser with air extraction from an R-38–300 aircraft engine with a power of about 180 kW, continuously operating for a long time [6]. This was a bulky ground installation.”2 kerosene air fuel exhaust.
  9. +1
    10 November 2025 07: 56
    If the technology is suitable for mass production, then it would be advisable to provide important infrastructure facilities on earth with similar protection.
    On the ground, it is relatively easy to provide power supply for such power plants.
    And where there is insufficient energy capacity, provide mobile units with generators on chassis.
    The topic is certainly a bit different, but it's more easily and relatively inexpensively implemented (I guess what does "inexpensive" mean? I don't understand it myself :))
    But so far we don’t see, at least in open sources, such implementations.
    We used to ridicule the Skaklov for their mobile rifle groups, their use of small aircraft to combat UAVs, their homemade quadruple machine gun and assault rifle mounts, and now we're using the same thing ourselves.
    In general, a fairy tale is quickly told, but a deed is not quickly done.
    We believe and rely on our developers and industry.
    We each work in our own place.
    With God!
  10. +1
    10 November 2025 08: 27
    Complete nonsense again, lasers))) The Americans were running a whole bong to test lasers. The project was shut down.
  11. +4
    10 November 2025 08: 34
    . is only possible if


    Laser cutting of metals on industrial machines is possible thanks to the short cutting distance, just a few millimeters. This allows for concentrated power on a small area of ​​material.
    A laser beam diverges due to diffraction. The beam diameter is the denominator in the divergence calculation. The thinner the beam, the higher the divergence. And the higher the power loss per unit area.
    Therefore, any discussion of creating a laser self-defense weapon for aircraft is just empty talk. At reasonable distances, this is impossible due to the laws of physics.
    Any attempt to raise such a topic is a scam, incompetence, fraud, and so on down the list.
    1. +2
      10 November 2025 08: 39
      Quote: Podvodnik
      Any attempt to raise such a topic is a scam, incompetence, fraud, and so on down the list.

      The author saw several loud promises, like "it's achievable, we'll create it any minute now," and the Jews actually declared, "we've already done it and are ready to sell, take two..." and assumed that all that was left was to install it on an airplane and then...
    2. 0
      15 November 2025 21: 59
      The laser beam diverges due to diffraction.
      Or because industrial cutting lasers aren't quite true lasers with coherent and monochrome emission, and their polarization is a complete mess. Laser systems used by astronomers and physicists are a different matter. That's where they can shoot for kilometers without any divergence (like the LIGO project for gravitational wave studies). In space communications, lasers on the latest generations of Starlink satellites easily shoot for hundreds of kilometers.

      Therefore, any discussions about creating a laser self-defense weapon for an aircraft are just like beating around the bush.
      We've already been through this with drones and any unmanned systems in general.

      At reasonable distances this is impossible due to the laws of physics.
      It seems like the laws of physics don't interfere at all, especially in the upper atmosphere.
  12. +1
    10 November 2025 09: 29
    In my opinion, many physicists don't understand that a linear flow of any type of energy transfer is effective only in the case of a pulsed algorithm combining a complex set of fundamental physical parameters. Therefore, when we talk about a new type of propulsion device as a converter of continuous media energy, it can be equated to an emitter or generator of so-called spherical electromagnetic formations. In this case, we must understand that stable electromagnetic formations of various types must have a polarization generated by a dynamic flow of concentration and expansion.
    1. -1
      10 November 2025 21: 20
      Do you even understand what you just said? A bunch of nonsense. Go to school to learn physics.
    2. 0
      15 November 2025 22: 24
      Not everyone agrees with the existence of the universal information field, also known to us as the Akashic Chronicles or the universal etheric library. But more important for us is the mathematical equivalent of the Library of Babel: normal numbers, a concept introduced by Émile Borel in 1909.
      It's important to understand that the same information can be stored on different physical media (flash drives, disks, floppy disks), all of which will have an isomorphic structure. And the most important thing here is the notion that information simply doesn't exist without an interpreter. On the other hand, "anyone who has a weakness for arithmetic methods of obtaining random numbers is sinful beyond all doubt" (John von Neumann).
  13. +1
    10 November 2025 10: 19
    In the development of promising, but already relevant, technologies, experimental refinement methods are often used to reach the required level of application. However, these technologies themselves cannot be developed without theoretical justification due to their transitional level of energy processes. This is similar to human technologies based on the laminar level of continuous media use. Then come technologies at the turbulent level of dynamics. Then comes the level of higher-potential transformations and technologies for their use. Therefore, our devices are, first and foremost, new technologies for the application of continuous media dynamics transformations.
  14. 0
    10 November 2025 11: 02
    IMHO, I'd rather look into masers—to burn out the seeker's electronics. They're much more efficient in terms of energy.
    1. +1
      10 November 2025 11: 11
      All of this falls within the same topic. I've been talking for quite some time about new aspects of energy processes and energy transmission issues. All aspects of diffraction, interference, tunneling, shielding, and other processes rely primarily on understanding the complexity and dominance of one or the other. Therefore, breakthrough technologies and research rely primarily on new methods for analyzing these processes.
      1. +1
        15 November 2025 22: 30
        With such grandiose claims of "proof of nonlocality," no analogy from classical physics can accurately convey the meaning of quantum entanglement. When you open a package, you find a left glove and immediately recognize that your friend is wearing a right one. And your measurement has no bearing on the outcome (the famous EPR paradox). Despite this, some interpretations, such as the de Broglie-Bohm pilot-wave theory, claim nonlocality as a real property of spacetime.
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          15 November 2025 23: 56
          It's important to remember, and you're right, that the interpretation of real physical events in the human brain occurs at the level of knowledge and worldview. And this knowledge is based on logic and associative and objective perception. Logic is nurtured by our reliance on the variable value of Number, and this is reflected in interpretation. There's also a function of the constant value of Number that interprets perception based on professional and algorithmically consistent events. The brain then works with variable possible combinations of events and optimizes them relative to the guidelines embedded in motivation. Which, by the way, also changes algorithmically and depending on the tasks at hand, depending on their scalability. Therefore, when discussing AI machines, we must first understand that we ourselves are robots and work with information as an optimized technology based on the electromagnetic aspects of energy transmission. This means that one aspect is that numbers can be transmitted precisely as electromagnetic impulses, without the need for symbols or other notations. But this can't be done with a variable number. And in general, it's essential to clearly and precisely understand the essence of the technology embedded in mathematics using these properties. A constant-value function contains only the natural series of numbers, and this is only an integer value, and this is an incredibly enormous value of algorithmically linked combinations that aren't even worth noting. These combinations are recorded only by the capacity of the data as combinations without transmitting the corresponding code—units of electromagnetic pulse. And in general, I don't really believe that people are capable of understanding this unless it's imparted to them from within. This is an anomaly, but it also represents a need for evolution, which, like an energetic space, is inseparable in its transformations. Excuse my laziness, but these aren't my mistakes in the text. I'm too lazy to waste time editing.
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            16 November 2025 00: 19
            In a closed timelike curve (CTC), matter or energy can travel to meet its past self, creating a time loop that allows computational results to be sent back to its past, radically changing computational capabilities. But a cosmological hypercomputer, using the final singularity of the Big Crunch for infinite computations, is potentially more powerful because it can fit infinite computations into finite cosmic time.
            Another question: what about AI based on neural networks with uncomputable real-valued weights? The ability to perform hypercomputations in non-recursive languages ​​is no joke! However, all hypercomputations require precise real numbers as input, output, or intermediate data. And how can an uncomputable number of infinite precision be verified by a physical device with inevitably discrete characteristics? We're trapped again!!!
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              16 November 2025 11: 09
              NO, we're not in the dark! Firstly, energy is a process determined by fundamental parameters. It's the level of quantitative parameters on a scalable spatial level; it's the direction of the process, and it's relative. BUT, most importantly, energy is, in a word, a dynamic process. Yet, scientists around the world don't know and are unable to justify what dynamics are. This is because there's no mathematical model describing the transformation of one set of parameters into another. There's no numerical tool for describing a simultaneous set. In other words, partial solutions cannot describe the simultaneous transformation of a complex. Therefore, scientists fail to see the underlying foundation7 of those technical solutions that determine the level of civilization's development. BUT, technical and technological solutions aren't self-contained either. It's necessary to understand the complexity of process algorithms so that each subsequent stage of the process doesn't negate the positive extremes of the previous stage.
  15. -2
    10 November 2025 13: 48
    Lasers are all bullshit for now. Countermeasures against a weak laser are quite simple.

    and regarding the interceptions with mini-missiles, the real plans were made, as I read, a very long time ago.
    Only the electronics failed back then. Intercepting a thin-walled air defense system with a smaller missile is entirely possible now, with advanced electronics. If it's coming after you, you have time to react with a smaller interceptor. If it's coming towards you or from the side, it's more difficult, but still somewhat possible with an air-to-air missile.
  16. +1
    10 November 2025 16: 29
    Colleagues, I won't presume to discuss efficiency or compare rockets and lasers by power... but look – the picture shows a laser module with an output power of 115 watts (measured personally) and a power consumption of 225 watts (efficiency – just under 50%). This module weighs 150 grams, and that's mostly due to the copper base for heat dissipation. The lasers themselves, including the collimator, weigh about 30 grams. So, a 20 kW pulsed system with minimal cooling and no focusing would weigh 40 kilograms and consume 50 kW of power, which is very little. Cooling, I believe, could be provided by an oncoming airflow, meaning the volume and weight would be much smaller. In short, all this is a matter for the near future, and whoever develops and implements these things first will have an advantage.
    1. +1
      10 November 2025 20: 20
      The author writes about a chemical laser, although solid-state lasers are more advanced today. While a suitable solid-state laser is lacking, a simpler approach is possible. It's well known that the gas exhaust velocity from a fighter jet's engine is quite high (it should be higher than its flight speed, no matter what), i.e., it's at the speed of a bullet. If a single metal pellet is injected into the engine nozzle (so that it's accelerated by the gas without touching the nozzle walls), a pellet charge weighing, say, 10-20 kg will fly out of the nozzle (at a speed of perhaps 500 m/s) in the direction of an enemy missile chasing the aircraft. Then, in principle, the attacking missile could be damaged or destroyed at a safe distance.
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        10 November 2025 23: 33
        Once again... what's the power of the Burevestnik's engine? Is it enough for a rofar, laser, maser, etc.? What are its dimensions? Will it fit in a L-A?
        What are the prospects then?
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          11 November 2025 13: 45
          The Burevestnik engine is a capsulated fast-burning reactor with a liquid-metal coolant (LMC) heat exchanger, and a secondary circuit in the turbofan tract to keep it clean. Therefore, it's strictly subsonic (as temperatures don't exceed 700-800 degrees). It's not suitable for fighter jets. However, this design is promising for transport aircraft or airships.
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          11 November 2025 13: 46
          Power or nominal thrust? Thrust is normal, around 10 kN.
    2. 0
      13 November 2025 11: 48
      That's pretty much it. And the beauty of a solid-state drive is that you can assemble an "array" of individual elements and scale them as you please.
  17. -1
    10 November 2025 20: 44
    SPKHK ABLCO. A love of powerfully crafted abbreviations ranks second only to a fascination with underground shelters from which superpowerful giants threaten the world with their terrifying power. Poor thing...
  18. 0
    11 November 2025 13: 41
    Gas dynamics are bulky and inert. A solid-state "array" is what offers the most promise. And power is drawn directly from the onboard generator, requiring no additional "fittings."
  19. 0
    11 November 2025 16: 51
    The topic of lasers has been raised repeatedly since the 20th century, but installations only appeared on ships.
    1 was placed on the Boeing to shoot down all missiles, but the result was not entirely successful.
    1. 0
      13 November 2025 11: 49
      On the Boeing and the Il-76...40 years ago, when only brain gas dynamics was available. They didn't know how to make fiber "constructors" back then. Now, things are different.
      1. 0
        14 November 2025 08: 58
        So what changed? The Boeing remained a prototype.
  20. 0
    20 December 2025 15: 31
    "This idea doesn't belong to the author of this material – a proposal to implement airborne laser systems based on gas-dynamic lasers by diverting some of the turbojet engine's power was published in Photonics, Volume 14, No. 8, 2020." – the main question is, why? Why doesn't it work? The author should have taken the trouble to describe this topic in a "golden shower." The main questions are: why? Is it cheap? Are there other options? It's the author's imagination, assuming there's R&D, but that's not certain. They'll all crash, but they'll produce results. It doesn't work that way!
  21. 0
    24 December 2025 01: 32
    At the now-defunct State Institute of Applied Chemistry near the Birzhevoy Bridge, in the twilight of the USSR, they were developing precisely similar lasers. Only using HF. They worked. They melted tungsten targets reliably. But they proved unusable because they shook terribly during operation. Just like any rocket or jet engine. And aiming them at anything more or less far away, moving, and in motion, and positioning them for a reasonable period of time, was completely impossible.