K. Mamantov. Cornet of the Imperial Horse Grenadier Regiment, who became commander of the White Guard Don Corps.

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K. Mamantov. Cornet of the Imperial Horse Grenadier Regiment, who became commander of the White Guard Don Corps.
Lieutenant General K. Mamantov in 1919


In recent articles, we discussed Andrei Shkuro (Shkura), who commanded the Third Kuban Cossack Corps during Denikin's Moscow campaign. The Fourth Don Corps was then commanded by Konstantin Mamantov. Like Shkuro-Shkura, history This man entered with a distorted, exotic-sounding surname—Mamontov. He had no connection to the famous merchant and philanthropist: the latter was descended from Mosalsk peasants, while the White general was a member of a noble family, the first mention of which is contained in a 15th-century "land register."



In both cases, the surname is derived from the Greek male name Mamant, literally meaning "breastfed" or "breast-sucking." Other theories about the name's origin include Turkic ("wise"), Celtic ("strong"), and even Sanskrit (from the word "love"). However, these cannot be considered serious, as there is no need to delve into the details.

It's much simpler: the name of the Christian Great Martyr Mamas of Caesarea appears in an Orthodox book of liturgical calendars that lists the feast days of saints. This book is popularly known as the "Menology" or "Saints," and it was from this book that a baptized person was traditionally given a name. The date of birth was traditionally called the name day (Nicholas II, for example, was born on the feast day of Saint Job the Long-suffering), and the day of baptism was called the name day. Members of the upper classes could choose names for their children. Ivan the Terrible's father was named Gabriel according to the "Menology," but is known to everyone as Vasily III. Ivan IV, meanwhile, was named Titus, but before his death, he took monastic vows and received the new name Jonah.

Peasants weren't allowed to choose their name: whatever the priest wrote down at baptism was the one they would bear for the rest of their lives. This is how some rather strange-sounding names emerged in Rus': Akakiy, Evlampy, Merkury, Afrikan, and so on. As well as Jewish names (Moses, Joseph, also known as Osip, Jacob—Yakov, and so on), this is why uneducated "researchers" routinely label as Jews the descendants of pure-blooded Russian peasants, whose ancestors for centuries were unable to travel beyond the nearest provincial town.

Andrei Shkura claimed that he refined his uncouth surname on the orders of Nicholas II, who allegedly saw it on a list of award recipients. However, in fact, the spelling "Shkuro" appears in documents only in 1919.
Some people associate the change in the spelling of General Mamantov's surname with Trotsky, who allegedly deliberately ordered it to be written with an "O" - apparently in order to "troll" and tease the enemy general - Trotsky probably had nothing better to do during those difficult times.

But the question arises: who, and why, "distorted" the name of the famous Mamontov merchants? And also the name of the then-famous actor and anarchist, Mamont Viktorovich Dalsky? Incidentally, he was also the father of Elena Nurenberg's first husband (this "femme fatale's" second husband was Lieutenant General and Doctor of Military Sciences Yevgeny Shilovsky, and her third was Mikhail Bulgakov). It's all simple. Russian peasants knew nothing of prehistoric animals, nor of the third-century Mamant of Caesarea. This native of Cappadocia even ceded his role as patron saint of livestock in naive folk Orthodoxy to Saint Blaise, who was imbued with the traits of the pagan god Veles (just as the Prophet Elijah was imbued with traits of Perun, and Saint Paraskeva with traits of Mokosh).


Saint Mamant of Caesarea on a Russian icon of the 18th century

And the obscure name Mamant was adapted to the norms of the Russian language (Mamonty the Shepherd) – following the same principle, Xenias became Aksinyas, and Julians became Ulyanas. Already in the "Tale of Bygone Years," this saint is referred to specifically as Mamant: it is reported that under Oleg the Prophet, Russian merchants in Constantinople stayed "at the Church of Saint Mamant." In other words, the White general's surname was changed by his opponents not out of malice, but because "Mamantov" sounded more familiar and "correct."

Origin and beginning of military service of K. Mamantov


The future general's family wasn't particularly noble or wealthy, but it wasn't exactly impoverished either. One of his relatives, for example, married the sister of Vladimir Nikolaevich Kokovtsov, the imperial finance minister and later prime minister. Konstantin Konstantinovich Mamantov was born in St. Petersburg on October 16 (Gregorian calendar), 1869. His father served in the Life Guards Cuirassier Regiment, and his son also chose a military career. He first studied at the Cadet Corps, then at the Nikolaevsky Cavalry School (earlier, this educational institution was also known as the "School of Guards Ensigns," and M. Yu. Lermontov was one of its graduates).

At the academy, K. Mamantov received an officer's sword lanyard and the accompanying rank of cadet swordsman, which was awarded for academic excellence (and in the army, to "lower ranks" who distinguished themselves in combat). Upon completion of his studies with the rank of cornet in 1890, he was sent to the Life Guards Horse Grenadier Regiment, but in May 1893, he was transferred to the army for participating in a duel. Apparently, the story wasn't very pretty, since he was "advised" to leave the regiment at an officers' court of honor.

Mamantov ended up in the 11th Kharkov Dragoon Regiment, where he rose to the rank of staff captain. He retired in 1898, but thanks to family connections, he returned to service in 1899 – this time in the Great Don Host, becoming a sub-esaul of the 3rd Don Cossack Regiment (this unit bore the name of Yermak Timofeevich), stationed in Vilnius. In October 1901, he was promoted to the rank of esaul.

Two wars by K. Mamantov


During the Russo-Japanese War, Mamantov fought in the 1st Chita Transbaikal Cossack Regiment, where in 1913 ensign Grigory Semenov served – the future infamous ataman, about whom Major General William Sidney Graves, commander of the American intervention corps in Siberia, wrote that he:

He openly boasted that he couldn't sleep peacefully unless he had killed at least someone during the day.

This regiment was part of General Mishchenko's cavalry brigade and participated in cavalry raids behind enemy lines. During the war, K. Mamantov was awarded four orders: the Order of St. Anne, 4th Class, with the inscription "For Bravery" (the "Anninskaya shashka"), the Order of St. Anne, 3rd Class, with swords, the Order of St. Stanislav, 3rd Class, with swords and bow, and the Order of St. Stanislav, 2nd Class, with swords.

At the end of February 1908, he was promoted to the rank of troop starshina (equivalent to a cavalry lieutenant colonel) and became a squadron commander in the 3rd Don Regiment, and then assistant to the commander for combat operations in the 1st Don Cossack Regiment stationed in Moscow. Here, Mamantov finally found the time to marry. His wife was Baroness von Stempel, whose brothers commanded regiments in the 6th Cavalry Division. This marriage produced a daughter, named Ekaterina.

In 1914, we see K. Mamantov already commanding the 19th Don Cossack Regiment, and in 1915, he commanded the 6th Don Cossack Regiment. That year, Mamantov's first wife died, but he soon "consoled himself" by seducing the wife of one of his subordinates, Captain M. Kononov. This was Ekaterina Sysoeva, the daughter of a wealthy Moscow bourgeois. She became Mamantov's second wife and gave birth to a daughter, Valentina. During World War I, Mamantov rose to the rank of major general and became commander of a Cossack brigade (part of the 6th Cavalry Division). He was awarded the Order of St. Vladimir, 3rd and 4th class.

It should be noted, however, that Mamantov's reputation was, to put it mildly, controversial; many spoke of his foul temper, quarrelsomeness, and careerism. As early as August 1919—while Mamantov's 4th Don Cossack Corps was advancing on Moscow—an article was published in the White Guard newspaper Donskiye Vedomosti, which stated:

There are people who stir up trouble. They can't stand peace. Enormous forces are imbued within them, seeking release through relentless tension, incessant struggle, and perpetual turmoil. If left unexpressed, these forces consume the person. Some become alcoholics, others commit suicide, and still others stir up trouble. Such a person, a stirrer, is Mamantov. Ask those who were around him in his earlier life about him. They will say of him: "Restless Mamantov! Unsociable Mamantov. He never served in one place for more than a month. He changed service, changed regiments. He caused a lot of trouble for his superiors. A lot of anxiety for his loved ones. He gambled his own life and the lives of others in vain."

Konstantin Mamantov at the beginning of the civil war


After the October Revolution, Mamantov withdrew his brigade from the front. Arriving on the Don, the Cossacks dispersed to their homes, and Mamantov settled in the village of Nizhne-Chirskaya, where in January 1918 he formed a small detachment of about a hundred men. He received no support from the locals; moreover, the Nizhne-Chirsky District Cossack Circle ordered him to leave the area. Mamantov complied and led his detachment to Novocherkassk.

Here he was met with disappointment: no one wanted to fight the Reds, and on January 29 (February 11), 1918, the military ataman, A. M. Kaledin, informed members of his government that Kornilov was withdrawing his army to Kuban and that only 147 men were ready to defend the Don region from the advancing Bolsheviks. Resigning his command, he shot himself, writing to General Alekseyev that he was taking his own life because "the Cossacks refused to follow their ataman." Kornilov's "volunteers" set out on the unsuccessful First Kuban ("Ice") March on Yekaterinodar. Mamantov and his men joined the detachments of the field ataman, General Pyotr Popov, who set out on the so-called "Steppe March" on February 12, 1918. Their route lay toward the Cossack winter quarters in the Salsk steppes. In total, about three and a half thousand men set out from Novocherkassk, 205 of whom were under Mamantov's command.

On February 21, Mamantov's detachment took part in its first successful skirmish with Budyonny and Dumenko's Cossacks. Minor clashes with the Reds also occurred in March. At this time, Mamantov received news of an uprising in the very same Nizhne-Chirskaya village he had set out to assist on April 2.

Meanwhile, the Don Soviet Republic, which had been created, found itself surrounded by rebellions and was destroyed.

On April 29, the Red Army withdrew from Novocherkassk, where the so-called "Circle of Salvation of the Don" had convened. Pyotr Krasnov was elected the new army ataman—the same man who would serve the Third Reich during the Great Patriotic War and become the head of the Main Directorate of Cossack Troops of the Imperial Ministry for the Eastern Occupied Territories. He would be hanged in the courtyard of Lefortovo Prison on January 16, 1947.


P. Krasnov in a photograph from 1918.

Krasnov's sympathies for Germany were already evident in 1918, when, following the occupation of Rostov-on-Don, Taganrog, Millerovo, Chertkovo, and other cities in May, he began actively collaborating with the Germans, much to the displeasure of Denikin, who enjoyed the support of the Entente. Red Army units then retreated to Tsaritsyn.

Mamantov continued fighting, his unit constantly growing in numbers, and by early May, its strength reached 10. Meanwhile, a strong detachment led by E. Shchadenko, who would later become the political commissar of the First Cavalry Army, unexpectedly broke through to his rear. Other Red units were advancing from Tsaritsyn at this time. Fierce fighting raged from May 20 to 26, and the severity of the fighting can be judged by the fact that Mamantov himself was wounded three times. The Red attacks were repelled; furthermore, the Cossacks of the Khoper District revolted, and the units of Generals Sekretov and Starikov, having occupied the Ust-Medveditsky District, managed to establish contact with Mamantov's forces.

Siege of Tsaritsyn


In July, the 45,000-strong Don Army advanced on Tsaritsyn. Mamantov commanded one of its three groups, with 12,453 men (including 397 officers) and 28 guns and 88 machine guns. They also had an armored train, armored cars, and even airplanes.

The other two groups were led by Colonel Polyakov and General Fitskhelaurov. The city was defended by Red Army soldiers from the Tsaritsyn Front and the 3rd and 5th Soviet Armies, which had retreated under the onslaught of German troops. Such well-known and influential figures as I. Stalin, K. Voroshilov, F. Mironov (future commander of the Second Cavalry Army), A. Parkhomenko (the protagonist of the Soviet film of the same name), and E. Shchadenko (during the Great Patriotic War, Deputy People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR and a member of the Military Councils of the Southern and 4th Ukrainian Fronts) were present in Tsaritsyn.


M. Grekov. "Comrades Stalin, Voroshilov, and Shchadenko in the Trenches near Tsaritsyn"


N. Kotov. Fragment of the panorama "Defense of Tsaritsyn"

The Don Army was never able to capture Tsaritsyn, despite three unsuccessful assaults on the city: in July-September and September-October 1918, and in January-February 1919. In December 1918, the city's defense was led by the future Soviet Marshal A.M. Yegorov, who sent a cavalry detachment, led first by Dumenko and then by Budyonny, on a raid behind White lines. The successful actions of the Red cavalrymen repelled the third assault and routed Mamantov's forces.

As a result, P. Krasnov was forced to resign, and Wrangel’s volunteer Caucasian Army moved towards Tsaritsyn, capturing the city on June 17 (30), 1919.

The Whites did not hold out in Tsaritsyn for long: already at the end of August of that same 1919, the Red Army began an operation to recapture the city, which was completely liberated on the night of January 3, 1920.

In the next article, we'll continue and conclude the story. We'll discuss the famous Mamontov Raid, the defeat of the Mamontov and Shkuro corps, the degradation of the White Cossack units of the Don and Kuban, and Mamontov's inglorious death in Yekaterinodar.
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  1. +3
    9 November 2025 05: 50
    The names of heroes change. Some fade into obscurity. Others gain fame. But questions remain. Why couldn't the highly trained White Army break the resistance of hungry workers and peasants? Wherever the White Army went, they were given access to every cellar full of clothing and food. But the Reds received no such assistance. Moreover, the Whites received colossal aid from abroad. And yet, the workers and peasants prevailed.
    1. +6
      9 November 2025 06: 10
      It's like trying to analyze the versions of the fall of Rome.

      Probably the main thing was the numerical superiority of the Red Army.
      1. VLR
        18+
        9 November 2025 06: 51
        The reasons for the White armies' defeat have already been examined in previous articles, particularly "Faces of the Civil War." The Reds' numerical superiority wasn't decisive, and in the east, it was on Kolchak's side, who was also supported by the Czechoslovaks and the interventionists, and he had as much stolen gold as a bastard has tobacco. But the dim-witted, bloody admiral quickly made everyone literally hate him (to such an extent that mongrel stud dogs in Siberia and the Far East were recently routinely called Kolchaks). The main reasons were: indecision (there was nothing to offer the people), lack of popular support (Entente military representatives called Denikin's "volunteers" "roving armies without popular or rear support," and Kolchak's army a "retreating gang"), and the de facto betrayal of national interests (which even the Whites wrote about with indignation, as did Slashchev about Wrangel).
        1. +3
          9 November 2025 07: 01
          Rarely does anyone admire authority. Usually, it's when people share the same views.

          In this case, we can already talk about teachers and students.
          1. +7
            9 November 2025 08: 19
            if people are like-minded.

            Well spotted, Sergey!!!
            From the outside, the "White Movement" represented various movements with different goals and objectives. The only thing they had in common was their hatred of the "Reds."
            The Reds were also diverse. Makhno alone was a force to be reckoned with, but they were able to offer the masses an idea and, from their positions in the capitals, represented power.
            Something like that, thanks to Valery for Mamantov, have a nice Sunday, comrades!
            1. +3
              9 November 2025 08: 24
              And this, Vladislav, is also a question of developing thinking.

              From family, from faith, from school/grammar school years. And from ideas about the optimal way to govern the state.

              If, of course, there is any point in thinking about it.
              1. +5
                9 November 2025 09: 12
                Fate plays with man...
                The same Kolchak could have died in the Arctic or in Port Arthur, but no...
                1. +4
                  9 November 2025 09: 52
                  And this too. The back of a carpet (according to Maugham) with an interweaving of various threads.
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                  1. +4
                    10 November 2025 12: 54
                    Olgovich, what's wrong? The person above told the truth about you, and you turn up your nose. The truth is, the average man understood the Bolsheviks' actions, while they saw the Whites as an oppressor class. And then this man and his sons and daughters broke the back of the Third Reich, defending their homeland and the gains of October. And you're a complete nobody, a man without a homeland or a flag. So sort yourself out, because it's because of people like you that the Civil War has been festering in our heads for over a century.
                    1. -3
                      10 November 2025 13: 19
                      Quote: Volga-1980
                      Olgovich, what's wrong? The person in the comment above told the truth about you.

                      As a former construction battalion officer, I can say much more about this truth - so what?
                      Quote: Volga-1980
                      The ordinary man understood the actions of the Bolsheviks, but they saw the Whites as an oppressor class.

                      That's why in the peaceful 1930s there were more than 13 thousand cross-revolutionaries crushed by the troops, millions were exiled, and passports were not issued until 1975?
                      Quote: Volga-1980
                      And then this man and his sons and daughters broke the back of the 3rd Reich by defending their homeland and the gains of October.

                      and the peasant's serf ancestors broke the backs of the 1st and 2nd Reichs, Napoleons and others, just like in WWII.

                      But no one stood up for the pure "gains of October in 1991."
                      Quote: Volga-1980
                      And I don't even know who you are,

                      lol
                      Quote: Volga-1980
                      It's because of people like you that there is a civil war in our heads and does not end more than a century.

                      Because of illiteracy, you should have been taught in a Soviet school (or you yourself are not up to date today) the truth-and there would be no squabble
                    2. +6
                      10 November 2025 14: 13
                      Olgovich, what's wrong with that? The person in the comment above told the truth about you, and you turn up your nose.

                      First of all, you need to maintain decency and not stoop to personal insults. Second, Andrey and I hold diametrically opposed ideological positions, but try to find even one offensive comment. My personal opinion is that the discussion must be conducted civilly. I absolutely do not accept bullying! That's how it is.
                      1. -1
                        10 November 2025 14: 49
                        Where did you see bullying and insults directed at your opponent? Olgovich himself crosses the line by engaging in discussions and spreading his "truth," acting as a provocateur.
                      2. 0
                        10 November 2025 14: 59
                        Olgovich himself crosses the line

                        They're forcing him to do this! Didn't you notice?
                        carrying their "truth",
                        I'm sure everyone has the right to their own point of view, but surely we can discuss things without *sudden movements*?
                        acts as a provocateur.
                        Let's return to the beginning of the answer. I just want a proper discussion, not a high-stakes debate. Sincerely, me. hi
                      3. +1
                        10 November 2025 20: 52
                        They're forcing him to do this! Didn't you notice?

                        I understand, forgive and understand Olgovich, they force the man.
              2. +9
                9 November 2025 10: 49
                Don't forget that all Bolsheviks were cannibals.
                Your stubbornness is astounding. You probably didn't go to work during perestroika. You were always reading Ogonyok.
                The fact that the British and Americans captured Murmansk and Arkhangelsk in early 1918. They set up concentration camps there, where, by the way, they sent everyone, both White and Red. Germans, Poles, Finns, French, Japanese. There were also Australian and New Zealand corps. And the Bolsheviks defeated them all. But you don't "know" about that.
                1. +7
                  9 November 2025 10: 52
                  There's no point in explaining anything to the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people; they always throw out any facts that don't suit them. Including the fact that they threw out the White Terror from the Civil War and the actions of the interventionists who occupied Russia.
                  1. +3
                    9 November 2025 10: 57
                    Quote: tatra
                    There is no point in explaining anything to the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people; they always throw out all the facts that are unfavorable to them.

                    This applies to both sides... when a person thinks with bias, with emotion, and does not look at historical facts... there were no good behavior in the Civil War, and in wars there is no one side that is "white and fluffy", that's what war is for...
                    1. +1
                      9 November 2025 11: 04
                      No, it's not. The period of freedom of speech granted to the enemies of the USSR by Gorbachev was their total falsification of the pre-revolutionary, Soviet, and their evil and cowardly anti-Soviet period.
                      They have proven that they falsify even the most indisputable facts. For example, the Bolsheviks' internal enemies, together with the invaders and Germans who occupied Russia, unleashed a civil war against the Bolsheviks with the goal of overthrowing their power and seizing Russia.
                      And the enemies of the USSR, with their Perestroika, chant in unison, "It was the Bolsheviks who unleashed the Civil War." Because their goal is to further slander the Bolshevik-Communists, claiming they were the only justification for their seizure of the USSR.
                      1. +2
                        9 November 2025 11: 08
                        Quote: tatra
                        Because their goal is to slander the Bolshevik communists as much as possible, saying that they have the only justification for their seizure of the USSR.

                        Let's say, but why would they justify it? Otherwise what? They don't give a damn about it... why justify it anymore?
                      2. -2
                        9 November 2025 11: 16
                        Ha, well, that's what surprises me. The enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people seized control of the USSR long ago and have it under their thumb, but 35 years after its destruction, they still haven't let go of it. They continue to lie, slander, be hypocritical, justify the criminals of the Soviet era, and diligently portray themselves as "philanthropists" while slandering the Bolshevik Communists.
                        At the same time, they have long ago exposed themselves, proving that outside of their anti-Sovietism they don’t care about all the facts that they presented as the crimes of those from whom they took the USSR.
                2. -11
                  9 November 2025 13: 11
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  Don't forget that all the Bolsheviks were cannibals.

                  How to forget - the results are obvious
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  Your stubbornness is astounding. You probably didn't go to work during perestroika. You were always reading Ogonyok.

                  I read and continue to read everything that the stubborn, cowardly Bolsheviks hid from the deceived people.
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  The fact that the British and Americans captured Murmansk and Arkhangelsk in early 1918

                  No, first there was the Bolshevik Brest betrayal of Russia and the allies, when the Bolsheviks handed over FOREVER a third of Russia's European territories to their German occupier masters.
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  They set up concentration camps there.

                  and how much are yours? concentration camps with dogs and bullets placed all over the country for YOUR people?
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  And the Bolsheviks defeated them all. But you don’t “know” about that

                  so none they do not know lol
                  Tell us about the Bolshevik-American "front", about the Great French "battles" lol

                  When the invaders themselves decided, then they themselves left.
        2. +8
          9 November 2025 07: 33
          Valery, I have a question.
          What funds were used to finance the maintenance of the Red Army?
          Thank you for the article!
          1. VLR
            12+
            9 November 2025 08: 00
            Well, certainly not foreign aid. Old weapons stockpiles and trophies, the confiscation of jewelry from aristocrats and "bourgeois," the policy of "war communism." However, it should be noted that the food tax system was not a Bolshevik invention; it was introduced under Nicholas II and confirmed by the Provisional Government. The Bolsheviks later abolished it, proclaiming the New Economic Policy (NEP).
            1. +7
              9 November 2025 08: 07
              Old weapons stocks and trophies,
              Where did they suddenly come from, if in 1915 the country was experiencing a “shell famine” and a frantic purchase of rifles from all over the world?
              1. VLR
                +9
                9 November 2025 08: 14
                There were still some leftovers in the military warehouses, so they scooped them up. And, to their credit, they managed to organize production under the most difficult conditions.
                1. +7
                  9 November 2025 15: 06
                  Trophies played a significant role in replenishing the Red Army's equipment. For example, the first tank units of the Red Army were fully equipped with captured British and French tanks.
                  There was also an attempt to produce French Renault-17s. The first was the "Comrade Vladimir Ilyich Lenin." The "Russian Renault" series is estimated to have produced between 10 and 23 cars, which is quite impressive.
                  1. +6
                    9 November 2025 16: 07
                    Only 15 "Renault-Russians" were produced!
                    They were not used in combat.
                    In March 1920, Amur partisans STOLE 10 Renault tanks from the Americans!
                    The Yankees kept the tanks in closed cars marked "American Red Cross aid"!
                  2. +4
                    9 November 2025 16: 43
                    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                    The first was "Comrade Vladimir Ilyich Lenin."

                    there was a more pompous name there))
                    "Freedom fighter Comrade Lenin"
              2. 10+
                9 November 2025 09: 25
                3x3zsave
                0
                Today, 09: 07
                "Good afternoon, Anton. Your question is interesting and requires detailed study. what
                Off the top of my head /
                "Soviet military historian N.E. Kakurin in 1925:
                The main sources of supply for the Red Army, especially in the first period of the civil war, were the warehouses of military equipment of the old army; their depletion began to be felt only in 1919 belay .
                It turns out that there were weapons in the warehouses of the Russian Empire by 1917.
                1. 11+
                  9 November 2025 10: 05
                  It turns out that there were weapons in the warehouses of the Russian Empire by 1917.
                  Interesting case, Sergey!
                  So, it turns out there were weapons in warehouses, but not in the active army. Does this ring a bell?
                  1. +4
                    9 November 2025 10: 27
                    There were serious logistics problems, and supply sabotage was also a problem. Don't forget, this was an imperialist war, a fundamentally bourgeois one, which meant that they were MAKING MONEY. Except for the people, of course... By 1916, industry had managed to solve the problem of shells and most of the weapons. But it was too late. There were shells and guns, but the army as such no longer existed...
                    1. +5
                      9 November 2025 10: 34
                      Was it an army that didn't exist that carried out the Brusilov breakthrough?
                      1. +8
                        9 November 2025 13: 13
                        The Brusilov Offensive was an operation by a unit of the RIA—that is, the troops of the Southwestern Front. As I wrote above, and as others have written before me: "By the spring of 1916, Russia had recovered. Good weapons were sent to the front. The troops were supplied with the most common three-inch guns, replacing all the worn-out guns with new ones. Shells poured in in a continuous stream, and workers wrote on the crates: "Hit, don't spare!..." The British attaché Knox was perplexed: "Russia's military situation has improved, something no foreign observer would have predicted during the retreats of last year." And the Russian soldier cheered: "Well, now we'll fight!" The problems with weapons and ammunition were solved by our industry.
                        But we remember that the Brusilov Offensive was a consequence of the demands of the French, who were being utterly torn apart by the Germans at Verdun, and also in the interests of the Allies: "Italy was saved, the French managed to hold Verdun, the British to hold out on the Somme." But our strategic goals—to take Kovel and Lvov—were not achieved because there were no longer any reserves. And around Kovel, countless of our soldiers, including the Guard, were ultimately laid to rest. And that's it, the soldiers capable of fighting were gone; the army, all that remained was its name. In five months, the army that could have "defeated the Germans" in 1917 was gone.

                        This was, let me remind you, an Imperialist war, with all the ensuing consequences.
                  2. Fat
                    11+
                    9 November 2025 11: 11
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    Sound familiar?

                    hi Greetings. Reminds me of all the wars of the Russian Empire, starting with the Crimean War... Logistics are extremely poorly organized: sometimes there aren't enough roads, sometimes there aren't enough train cars, but most often, there aren't enough brains. Apparently, after Mikhail Shchepotyev under Peter the Great, good specialists were either rare or little known.
              3. 13+
                9 November 2025 10: 38
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Where did they suddenly come from if in 1915 there was a “shell famine” in the country?

                Beginning in 1916, industry expanded and reserves began to be built up. But it was too late, as the regular army was wiped out in the offensives of 1914 and the "Great Retreat" of 1915. However, so many reserves were built up that shells from World War I were even used in the Great Patriotic War. They didn't switch to new, advanced calibers because the depots were full of ammunition for 76mm guns. request
                1. +5
                  9 November 2025 10: 44
                  Hello Ivan!
                  That is, the Bolsheviks were very lucky that the warehouses were located in Central Russia, otherwise...
                  1. +8
                    9 November 2025 11: 23
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    That is, the Bolsheviks were very lucky that the warehouses were located in Central Russia,

                    As well as industry and large cities with a large number of passionate population.
                    1. 0
                      9 November 2025 18: 25
                      The "Whites" didn't have cities with developed industry?
                      Or did they simply have problems setting up industrial production to suit their own interests?
                      1. +7
                        9 November 2025 18: 38
                        Quote: hohol95
                        The "Whites" didn't have cities with developed industry?

                        Almost none. And those that were there couldn't compare to Moscow and St. Petersburg.
                      2. +1
                        9 November 2025 19: 35
                        They also couldn't compare with Moscow and St. Petersburg in terms of supplying cities with fuel and food?
                        Did the Bolsheviks have everything going for them when it came to supplying factories with coal, ore, and other "consumables"?
                      3. +1
                        10 November 2025 14: 03
                        Colleague, what did you want to say?
                      4. +4
                        10 November 2025 15: 09
                        I wanted to say that the Bolsheviks also had to exert themselves at +100500%!
                      5. +2
                        10 November 2025 15: 30
                        On the one hand, I completely agree with you. On the other hand, straining yourself when you have factories is completely different from straining yourself when you don't.
                      6. +3
                        10 November 2025 16: 25
                        When there is no plant, there is no pressure to restore its operation.
                      7. Fat
                        +6
                        9 November 2025 18: 51
                        They didn't have time to organize anything worthwhile. There weren't enough skilled workers, equipment, or time. The Motovilikha factories (Perm) still managed to work for Kolchak's forces for about a year.
                  2. +7
                    9 November 2025 13: 16
                    The Bolsheviks were "lucky" – they had organization, clear goals, and a cadre trained for grueling work with the masses. They also had Lenin, Stalin, Frunze, Dzerzhinsky, and many other comrades who gave their lives, as well as "the land for the peasants, the factories for the workers."
              4. +4
                10 November 2025 00: 27
                Hello, Anton. The WWI Museum in Pushkin sometimes holds lectures on the history of this period. The lectures are given by researchers from historical institutes. I once attended a lecture on the Entente's supply of Russia. By the end of 1916, a system for supplying arms to the Russian front was established. After the initial chaos and confusion, principles for placing arms orders on the Russian side were established, a system for distributing orders to manufacturers around the world was streamlined, and sources of production funding were identified. Britain took over the overall organization of the process, including logistics. By 1917, there were significant arms stockpiles at bases in Murmansk and Vladivostok, though not always complete (this primarily concerned artillery). They couldn't be transported to central Russia and closer to the front in time. Intermediate storage bases were located along major railway lines. In short, the weapons were deployed throughout the country, and it was these weapons that were used during the Civil War.
              5. +1
                10 November 2025 08: 29
                The famine was a man-made phenomenon. It was orchestrated by people of noble and merchant origin. They looked into the autocrat's eyes with devotion, licked his hands, seized favors, and betrayed their benefactor, the Emperor. The same was true of the food shortage in the capital. They were preparing to betray the Tsar, plotting against him, and far beyond their time.
              6. +3
                10 November 2025 12: 03
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Where did they suddenly come from, if in 1915 the country was experiencing a “shell famine” and a frantic purchase of rifles from all over the world?

                By 1917, the supply problem had shifted from the level of "too little produced" or "too little purchased" to the level of "too little delivered" - a logistics crisis began due to the decline in the number of serviceable rolling stock and the increase in the turnaround time of wagons due to their use for storing cargo at front-line stations.
                Equipment, weapons, ammunition, and other supplies accumulated in production centers and ports and slowly made their way to the front. Arkhangelsk's warehouses were sufficient to arm first the Red Army in the northwest, and then the White Army.
                The second problem was that industry sometimes produced not what was needed, but what it could or what was more profitable. As a result, those same 3" Imperial-issue shrapnel rounds lasted until the 40s.
                1. -3
                  10 November 2025 12: 33
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  By 1917 year the supply problem moved from the level of “not enough produced” or “not enough purchased” to the level of “not enough delivered” - a logistics crisis began due to the decline in the number of serviceable rolling stock and

                  By 1917 it was better than in 1916

                  On January 1, 1917, delays in wagons and cargo balances amounted to about 60% of the level on the same date in 1916. That is, by By the beginning of 1917, the situation with the turnover of wagons and the export of goods had improved significantly compared to the previous year.

                  However, just two weeks later, as of January 15, we see a three-and-a-half-fold (!) jump in the number of delayed cars, 30% more than in 1916. The number of unloaded cars also increased, although it was still significantly lower than the year before. What caused this? Heavy snowdrifts. In Germany, snow drifts caused 100-kilometer-long traffic jams of trains, and railways refused to accept freight for transportation..

                  But after this natural disaster, the number of delayed cars steadily declined, and by mid-February, it had fallen below last year's level again. The unloaded stock rose until February 15 (after all, the effects of the mid-January disruption were taking their toll), then began to decline again. Moreover, up until mid-March (and this was already after the revolution) there were fewer unloaded remains than in 1916.

                  Until the February "revolution" happened, the Russian iron the roads worked quite wellК

                  By 1917, the rolling stock fleet in Russia was constantly increasing, and its condition was at the peacetime level and significantly better than that of the enemyWhile in France and Germany, as well as in the USSR, the volume of rail transport during the following world war plummeted by one and a half to two times compared to pre-war levels, in Russia—the only country at war—freight transport exceeded the 1913 level. The decline began after the revolution, but the railways still performed better than in other countries, although worse than under the tsar. The collapse occurred under the Bolsheviks (C)
                  1. +2
                    10 November 2025 13: 02
                    My God, Olgovich, have you ever bothered to check the trash you dig up from the LJ dumps of polit_ecs and other von_hoffmans?
                  2. +2
                    11 November 2025 10: 31
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    By 1917, the rolling stock fleet in Russia was constantly increasing, and its condition was at the peacetime level and significantly better than that of the enemy.

                    Wherein:
                    At the meeting of the Special Conference on January 28, 1917, it was stated that there was a “complete breakdown of transport, leading to a shutdown of factories working for defense.”
                    smile
                    Plus, the supply crisis had a hand in it. corrupt imperialist wench Logistics. For example, the distribution and sorting of artillery and engineering supplies to the fronts went through Petrograd (one cannot help but recall the German Warsaw hub during the Great Patriotic War, through which winter uniforms only reached the front in January). And only at the end of 1916 was it decided to use a second logistics hub, which became Yaroslavl (to the delight of the future Red Army) wink ).
                    1. 0
                      11 November 2025 15: 07
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      At the meeting of the Special Conference on January 28, 1917, it was stated that there was a “complete breakdown of transport, leading to a shutdown of factories working for defense

                      snow drifts.

                      But after this natural disaster, the number of delayed cars steadily declined, and by mid-February, it had fallen below the previous year's level again. Unloaded stock rose until February 15 (after all, the consequences of the mid-January service disruption were taking their toll), then declined again. Meanwhile, until mid-March (after the revolution), the number of unloaded stock remained lower than in 1916.
            2. +8
              9 November 2025 08: 19
              confiscation of jewelry from aristocrats and "bourgeois"
              I'd like to point out that you can't shoot an enemy with "General Petukhova's furniture set"...
            3. +2
              10 November 2025 12: 37
              Quote: VlR
              Well, certainly not foreign aid. Old weapons stockpiles and trophies, the confiscation of jewelry from aristocrats and "bourgeois," the policy of "war communism."

              A plus, some kind of production.
              ...by the end of 1918, there were only 2420 artillery pieces, 8850 machine guns, and 483 thousand rifles in the troops and warehouses.
              Of the 5402 enterprises producing military equipment at the beginning of 1917, approximately 3500 were in the process of evacuation or remained in occupied territory. Subsequently, during the peaceful development of the revolution until June 1918, the situation worsened further: military orders were cancelled, the military industry was demobilized, and the production of artillery supplies almost completely ceased. Only the arms and ammunition factories in Tula continued to operate, although not at full capacity, producing approximately 60 million rifle cartridges in all of 1918.

              In total, during the period 1918-1921, the military industry produced more than 700 artillery pieces, 1131 thousand rifles, 12,8 thousand machine guns, and 1086 million rifle cartridges.

              The total number of serviceable weapons in the troops and warehouses at the end of 1921 was:
              - rifles - 1497000;
              - easel machine guns - 15600;
              - light machine guns - 5700;
              - revolvers - 43400;
              - 76-mm field guns - 2493;
              - 76-mm mountain guns - 175;
              - 76-mm anti-aircraft guns - 73;
              - 107 mm guns - 158;
              - 122 mm howitzers - 350;
              - 152 mm howitzers - 139.
              Total number of guns: 3388 pcs.

              Ammunition reserves, including complete sets of artillery shell elements, amounted to (pcs.):
              - rifle cartridges - 293400000;
              - 76 mm rounds - 5249000;
              - 107 mm rounds - 185000;
              - 122 mm rounds - 221000;
              - 152 mm rounds - 348000.
              © Artillery supply in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-45.
          2. +4
            9 November 2025 10: 51
            By the way, all those leather jackets and greatcoats with the Budenovka "flags"—all of this was stored in the tsar's warehouses, ready to re-equip the army, but the empire suddenly collapsed.
            1. +2
              9 November 2025 10: 56
              Budenovkas
              By the way, where did you get the felt to make the Budenovka hats?
              1. +5
                9 November 2025 13: 45
                Anton!
                You wanted to ask: "Where did they get the cloth to sew greatcoats and Budyonnovkas?"
                1. +5
                  9 November 2025 13: 48
                  Hi Aleksey!
                  Let it be cloth.
                  1. +6
                    9 November 2025 13: 55
                    Factory stocks and newly manufactured cloth were used.
                    I read information that "some" manufacturers intentionally stored their products and did not send them to the active army.
                    The collapse of railway transport in the country also had an impact.
                    It was no coincidence that the USSR purchased rolling stock from the USA during the Great Patriotic War.
                    Steam locomotives and carriages "die" when used intensively.
                    This is what happened in the Russian Empire!
            2. +3
              9 November 2025 11: 56
              All this was stored in the tsar's warehouses, they were preparing to re-equip the army.
              "One of the versions, nothing more."
              1. +1
                9 November 2025 14: 57
                We choose what to believe every day.
          3. -3
            9 November 2025 14: 57
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            What funds were used to finance the maintenance of the Red Army?

            Oh, it was a very rich government: it took the land, the banks, their assets, all the enterprises, the roads, all the real estate, people’s savings and valuables, the funds of private pension funds and cash desks, warehouses, etc.

            "in 1917 year. your piece of land is confiscated without compensationPrivate ownership of land is abolished (Decree of the All-Russian Congress of Soviets of October 26 (November 8), 1917).

            Your home in the city - he is no longer there. The right of ownership of land plots and buildings within the city limits is abolished (Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of November 23 (December 6), 1917).

            They open your safe deposit boxes in banks and confiscate all your gold (coins and bars), which are there (decree of the Central Executive Committee of December 14, 1917).

            Real estate transactions are prohibitedYour apartment, your plot of land, your dacha become unsaleable, a zero (Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of December 14, 1917). You cannot sell your village house (Resolution of the People's Commissariat of Justice of September 6, 1918).

            All payments on securities securities are terminated. Transactions with securities are prohibited. All your savings in securities become zero. (Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of January 4, 1918).

            If you are a writer, your copyright "becomes the property of the people." (Decree of January 4, 1918). Any work (scientific, literary, musical, artistic) may be recognized as state property (Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of November 26, 1918).

            Cancellation of government bonds, which you owned (Decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee "On the Cancellation of State Loans" of January 21 (February 3), 1918). Prohibition of monetary settlements with foreign countries (Resolution of the People's Commissariat for Financial Affairs of September 14, 1918). Prohibition of transactions with foreign currency within the country.

            Return all currency within two weeks (Resolution of the People's Commissariat for Financial Affairs of October 3, 1918).

            They stop paying your pensions (Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of December 11, 1917).

            . Private ownership of real estate in cities has been abolished. (Decree of the Presidium of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of August 20, 1918). The consolidation began

            Your share in the partnership is no longer there. Decrees follow one after another to nationalize enterprises, banks, insurance companies, and the like. Publishing houses, pharmacies, music stores. Private collections (Shchukin, Morozov, and others). "Confiscate mines, factories, pits, and all livestock and equipment." Confiscations, one after another. "Those guilty of unauthorized abandonment of their positions or sabotage will be brought to revolutionary trial."

            You will no longer be able to pass on anything to anyone as an inheritance. The right of inheritance is abolished. (Decree of the Central Executive Committee of April 27, 1918). You cannot give anyone anything in excess of 10 thousand rubles. The right to such donation is cancelled. (Decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of May 20, 1918). You are prohibited from exporting "objects of art and antiques" abroad (Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of September 19, 1918). You may no longer import "luxury items" from abroad (Resolution of the Supreme Council of the National Economy of December 28, 1917).



            To finish off your property—a one-time emergency ten-billion-ruble tax on wealthy individuals (Decree of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of November 2, 1918). Moscow—2 billion rubles, Moscow Province—1 billion rubles, Petrograd—1,5 billion rubles. Plus the right of local authorities "to establish one-time emergency revolutionary taxes for individuals belonging to the bourgeois class." "These taxes must be collected primarily in cash" (Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of October 31, 1918).

            Your property no longer exists..(c)

            Workers are given food cards, but peasants get nothing at all.

            And here's how they used these riches...
          4. +3
            9 November 2025 20: 14
            During his stay in Kolchak's capital, Omsk, the RSFSR's gold reserves noticeably diminished. Admiral A.V. Kolchak spent an estimated 11,5 poods of gold, or approximately 242 million gold rubles, from the gold reserves on weapons and military equipment from the United States, Japan, Great Britain, and France, and on maintaining his White Army and government apparatus. Great Britain received the largest share—2883 poods—and Japan—2672 poods. The United States received 2118 poods, and France—1225 poods. Russia's supreme ruler used Russian gold to pay for the Entente powers' surplus stock, which remained in its military warehouses after World War I and was now being thrown into the flames of the Civil War as military aid to the White movement. However, gold wasn't the only payment he had to make to the interventionists from the Entente allies. Thus, in just three months of 1919, they exported 3 million pelts of valuable fur from the Far East, and in the same year, 14 million poods of herring “floated” from its shores, not counting the enormous quantity of timber – cedar pine and much more, which was stored in warehouses in the port of Vladivostok and other cities...

            Source: https://statehistory.ru/books/A--V--SHishov_Rossiya-i-YAponiya--Istoriya-voennykh-konfliktov/7
        3. +5
          9 November 2025 07: 57
          I don't think the main reason for Kolchak's defeat was the terror he inflicted on the local population. This was common to all sides in the conflict. Kolchak managed to fall out with the Socialist Revolutionaries by proclaiming himself supreme ruler and disbanding the Siberian Government. The Socialist Revolutionaries were a very influential political movement at the time. The Bolsheviks exploited this contradiction to great effect. They subsequently purged the Socialist Revolutionaries as well.
          The main reasons for the defeat of the White movement were precisely political, and not because Denikin and Kolchak were more stupid than Budyonny and Frunze in military terms.
          1. -1
            9 November 2025 10: 30
            A Glock 17, even thinking about it...it's ridiculous! Kolchak's reign of terror was so horrific that even his English patrons couldn't ignore it. Even in those damned times of alcoholic insanity, they couldn't rehabilitate him. And then there was Krasnov, and a host of lesser terrorists. Remember, enemy, if the people don't support you, you're screwed. Which is exactly what history has shown. And you still believe in politics and shekels...

            Frunze is certainly two heads above both Kolchak and Denikin. What's more, those two are mere artisans compared to a genius! Goodbye, snot-nosed brat, go wipe your nose.
            1. 0
              9 November 2025 11: 11
              I've already told you everything in the previous comments. Go back to your garbage pit.
          2. +2
            10 November 2025 08: 35
            It might be even more stupid. Kolchak was a sailor, but in the command of the platoon, company, and battalion during the battle, the Reds had the advantage because a huge number of wartime officers were for the Reds, understanding that they had no business catching up if the White cause won.
      2. +2
        9 November 2025 08: 45
        Quote from Korsar4
        Probably the main thing was the numerical superiority of the Red Army.

        Probably the ideological motivation of the personnel, the priority of the set goals, the attractive prospect of the future - remember how it sounded in the famous film:
        Chapaev Anka and Petka:
        — You are lucky! You and Petka are happy, young people! Your whole life is ahead of you.
        - And what about you, Vasily Ivanovich?
        "Well, old or not, he's still not like your Petka. When you get married, you'll work together. The war will end, life will be wonderful. You know what life will be like? There's no need to die... But who wants to die anyway? But this is the kind of struggle we have, and there's no point in pitying your own life. It's either them or us."
        - No, we are them!
        1. +2
          9 November 2025 09: 06
          The ideological motivation is very good, especially when combined with fully manned and armed units.
          1. +3
            9 November 2025 09: 16
            Quote from Korsar4
            The ideological motivation is very good.

            It was precisely ideological motivation that allowed us to achieve victory over superior enemy forces...
            I believe that an opponent can be in competitions, but on the battlefield, with weapons in hand, he is the most real enemy (foe, adversary).
            1. Fat
              +4
              9 November 2025 11: 22
              The word "supostat" comes from the Old Church Slavonic verb "съпостати" - "to put one against the other"
              In short... There is an enemy, only for the old one
              1. -1
                9 November 2025 14: 08
                Quote: Thick
                In short ...

                ...Magpie tail...
                Let there be another explanation:
                Adversaries are those who have been placed against us, enemies, usurpers of our lands. There's a word for "against"—against the will of the father.

                Okay, so you're not a partner yet...
    2. +7
      9 November 2025 08: 08
      If cellars with clothing and food were opened for the Whites, I wonder where characters like the one in the photo—Kolchak's men in 1919—came from. Maybe they were just mobilized and didn't have time to change their clothes. And there are plenty of photos like this online. When I first saw this photo, I immediately thought they were Reds. It's clear that foreign countries were actively supplying the Whites and helping them locally, but it seems things weren't all smooth sailing for them.
      1. VLR
        +5
        9 November 2025 08: 16
        Forget about theft. And bureaucrats. In Crimea, Slashchev literally had to plunder White Guard warehouses bursting with goods to clothe his soldiers.
      2. +8
        9 November 2025 08: 17
        After the end of World War I, the Entente no longer needed Russia in its fight against Germany. The Whites' aid was just enough to prolong the conflict and weaken Russia as much as possible. A quick White victory and the preservation of Russia as a unified state were also unimportant.
        1. VLR
          +9
          9 November 2025 08: 21
          The "modern Entente" is now supporting Ukraine by the same principle. They're giving just enough to keep the front from collapsing, allowing the Ukrainians to continue their fratricidal war, liberating their country from its indigenous Slavic population and bleeding Russia dry, driving it into a demographic pit.
          1. +6
            9 November 2025 09: 38
            driving Russia into a demographic hole.

            Moscow is rapidly *turning black*. bully
        2. +6
          9 November 2025 09: 05
          Quote: Glock-17
          After the end of the First World War, Russia was no longer needed by the Entente in the fight against Germany.
          You're wrong! Russia was closely watched, especially in its efforts to establish a loving relationship with defeated Germany. I hope the union doesn't happen! And we shouldn’t forget about the Comintern, which was preparing the World Revolution, especially in the Entente countries...
          1. +7
            9 November 2025 09: 24
            No one in the West expected the Bolsheviks to remain in power for long. The preconditions for an alliance with Germany were very strong. The USSR needed technology and specialists, and Germany needed resources. This is precisely why the ardent anti-communist and anti-Semite Hitler was brought to power.
            Stalin had parted with Trotskyism and its delusional idea of ​​a World Revolution, so there was no threat to the West here.
      3. -6
        9 November 2025 10: 37
        Why are you distorting things? And so crudely, too. The photo shows Kolchak's men, yes, but during the retreat, when the Red Army was swiftly dishing out a thrashing to the Whites and their allies. That's essentially what it looked like, running so fast their pants were flying off.
      4. +1
        9 November 2025 11: 05
        I was more drawn to the caps in this photo. Were they really wearing them back then?
        1. +6
          9 November 2025 11: 16
          Yes, yes. About 1,5-2 years ago, the origins of caps were discussed in detail here.
      5. Fat
        +4
        9 November 2025 11: 40
        I wonder where such characters as the Kolchakites in the photo came from in 1919?
        This photo shows Izhevsk workers. Two divisions were formed from Izhevsk and Votkinsk residents in Kolchak's army. The gunsmiths were quite well-off. Ahem, they had more than enough rifles at the initial stage of the mutiny... but the ammunition situation was terrible.
      6. -1
        10 November 2025 08: 38
        But where did the character get that forage cap in Siberia? It's a real question: how did the headgear that was first introduced to flight personnel in the Russian army end up in Siberia?
        1. Fat
          +2
          10 November 2025 10: 39
          During the First World War, caps appeared not only among pilots.
          Forage caps were worn by assault battalion soldiers, cadets, cyclists, and armored car crews. Their peak use occurred in 1917.
          Well, and then they could be seen in the Red Army and in the White armies.
      7. +1
        10 November 2025 12: 44
        Quote: Waterways 672
        If cellars with clothing and food were opened for the Whites, it's interesting where such characters as the Kolchakites in the photo came from in 1919.

        T - Tradition. The Whites managed to take the worst from the Imperial Army in terms of supplies.
        There were so many curses about the supply in the WWI — the whites experienced themselves.
        Beginning of 1918: “Of one hundred and two people, 60 were frostbite ... I pass the note to the regiment. S. and report. “So much frostbite!”, “Didn’t get canned food ?!”, “Still no warm!” “Kornilov shouts, clutching his head.” “Var, Var, return my legions” - where was the strike regiment created back in May-August 17th?
        December 1918: “The fresh 47th regiment of the 12th division and the brigade of the 6th Ural division suffered heavy losses from frostbite, because, participating in the battle for the first time, they lay for a long time under fire in the snow. Kappel was later accused of misusing them. Rather, the complete unpreparedness of the command staff for fighting in the winter was to blame. ”
        January 1920: “Wet felt boots were immediately covered with ice crust. To avoid pneumonia, the last 10 versts after the river had to be walked in pood boots. General Kappel, pitying his horse, often walked, drowning in the snow just like the others. Shod in fur boots, he accidentally drowned in snow and scooped up water in boots without telling anyone about this ... At this passage Kappel grabbed erysipelas of the leg and then lungs and soon died. ”
        February 1920: General Pavlov loses half his equestrian group frozen out; the cavalry of the South of Russia orders a long life.
        October 1920: “The Russian army, which launched the campaign in the summer of 1920, was not prepared for such a sharp change in the weather and for winter battles. Soldiers in the trenches, not having warm clothes, wrapped themselves in rags and left their positions in the rear villages. Frost caused both the decline in the spirit of the troops and the frostbite of hundreds of soldiers on the front lines. "
        © ecoross1

        But the Whites completely forgot about the strategy and tactics of WWI. Set up headquarters in a building that had been under Red artillery fire for days? Easy! But then they could name a regiment in memory of the fallen commander, one of the symbols of the White movement.
        Since August 14th, when the hands lying under shrapnel were digging shelters, fortification and tactics have developed incredibly. And then "the simplest tactical truths were perceived as a revelation." In the 18th, “trenches and fortifications were not built. The largest that was dug by a hole to protect the shoulders and head, for the most part lay open ”, in the 19th“ our trenches were built extremely remotely ”and in the 20th already on Perekop it was the same. Artillery pulls up and openly shoots at close range, forgetting just everything. Intelligence is such that even in the 18th, the Reds attack suddenly, despite the fact that their plans and radio were read freely. And a constant refrain: “But if the hand of the red machine gunner / gunner didn’t flinch, we would all remain there.”
    3. +3
      9 November 2025 09: 42
      How neglected! 🙂 No offense! That's exactly it...
      The main mistake here is generally equating whites with peoples in general, forgetting that whites, reds, and gray-brown-crimson peoples are all one people, Russia. It's no coincidence that at the foot of the Kolchak monument in Irkutsk stand sculptures of a red and white warrior.
      Today, even experienced experts, such as those in the program hosted by the country's top "scorer," Solovyov, vary in their interpretation of the interventionists' assistance to the Whites and the intervention as an event in general. But it's not that simple!
      The interventionists were present on both sides in roughly equal numbers. Only on the Red side were they called International Detachments. Latvians, Chinese, Czechs, Germans, Serbs, and others... There were even blacks.
      Moreover, the Entente's assistance to the White movement was purely conditional. As many White leaders point out, it was the best it could have been. For example, the Whites were denied access to military depots in Odessa, citing the fact that these depots were the property of independent Ukraine. Meanwhile, all accumulated military supplies in Murmansk and Arkhangelsk went to the Reds.
      The Reds also actively collaborated with German intelligence (Krasnov wasn't the only one with a problem). For example:
      A letter from Lenin to V. Vorovsky has been preserved in the archives: "...no one asked the Germans for help, but agreed on when and how they, the Germans, would carry out their campaign against Murmansk and Alekseyev. This is a coincidence of interests. We would be idiots not to take advantage of this" (TsPA IML, f. 2, op. 2, d. 122)
      And what pure betrayal! On August 5, 1918, People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs Chicherin appealed for help to none other than the German ambassador, Helfferich. The Soviet government invited the Germans to nothing less than occupy Petrograd with their troops. So, supposedly, Red Army units could be redeployed from there to defend Vologda. Thank God, Germany declined such a generous gift—feeding a hungry Petersburg was not exactly their cup of tea.
      Meanwhile, the Entente troops were practically not involved in military operations. The French in Odessa drank, caroused, and gradually fell into disarray. The British and Japanese had their own quirks.
      So the more you delve into the history of the Civil War, the more it becomes like Alice - "ever stranger and earlier."
      1. -3
        9 November 2025 09: 47

        Churchill wrote: "We provided Denikin with very substantial support. We gave him the means to arm and equip almost a quarter of a million men."
        1. -2
          9 November 2025 12: 23
          Yeah, but for some reason it's like in that famous movie - the grenades are of the wrong type...
          The cartridges are one thing, the rifles are another...
    4. +7
      9 November 2025 10: 21
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Why did the well-trained White Army fail to break the resistance of hungry workers and peasants?

      So what if the other side had fighters of roughly the same caliber? How well-trained was the White Army? Moreover, the commanders (military specialists) were also roughly the same. But the Red Army had more troops, and they promised the people much more, and more clearly.
    5. +9
      9 November 2025 10: 48
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      After all, wherever the White Army went, all the basements with clothing and food were opened for them.

      I can't even imagine where you got this from.
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Why did the well-trained White Army fail to break the resistance of hungry workers and peasants?

      I would argue about “well-trained”, but in general there are a number of reasons.
      1) The Reds initially controlled large cities with developed industries, so they had better supplies and mobilization potential.
      2) The Bolsheviks were more flexible and, when necessary, could form an alliance with anyone, from Caucasian nationalists to even Makhno. The Whites weren't exactly morally superior, but they were often prudish.
      3) The Reds simply had more order.
      4) And most importantly, the Whites were never able to provide a positive program for change. Why did they go down in history as people who wanted to restore the old order?
      Something like that.
    6. +3
      9 November 2025 14: 30
      Yes, she wasn't trained. The result is obvious—the result of the First World War, or as patriots then called it, the Second Patriotic War. The Germans turned out to be stronger. But this was in terms of the quality of command and organization in general, both at the front and in the rear. Many officers, who may have been competent at the tactical level, died. So the quality of this White Guard is clear from the results of those years.
    7. 0
      9 November 2025 21: 31
      Nikolai, I think it's because the Empire, like the Romanovs and the White Army, had already degenerated. There were certainly some people who thought in a state-like manner, but they were isolated. The Russian Empire, its elite, its leadership, and the Emperor himself were largely incapable of correcting anything. There was deterioration at all levels of power, from the bottom to the top. Revolutions don't happen out of nowhere. And it's not even that foreign intelligence agencies helped destroy the Russian Empire—a powerful state founded by Peter the Great. Consider this small fact: the Tsar abdicated the throne with ease, but he didn't forget to stuff diamonds into the clothes of his children (heirs). Conclusion: a typical petty proprietor. Such individuals are not cut out to rule an Empire. He didn't even consider the possible consequences of his abdication. But the Bolsheviks, thinking long-term—to avoid potential candidates for the Russian throne, quickly executed both the emperor and his entire brood. In other words, they were thinking in terms of government. Forgive my cynicism.
    8. 0
      10 November 2025 12: 07
      Why did the well-trained White Army fail to break the resistance of hungry workers and peasants?

      You must be kidding, I think. What "trained" White Army? It was a semi-partisan, volunteer force that didn't even have regular supplies during the entire first period of the civil war (i.e., 1918). There was also a fairly strong officer corps in the south, which allowed for relatively successful operations, even with heavy losses. The shortage of supplies was a constant problem.
      Meanwhile, the "Workers and Peasants" movement relied on the imperial army's main reserves and controlled the bulk of the military industry. The Tula plant alone supplied the Reds with 10,5 Maxim machine guns in 1918-19 alone. Plus, at the critical, initial moment of the war, they actively used foreign contingents. The Czechoslovak Corps is constantly mentioned (40 from Vladivostok to the Urals), but the fact that over 60 Hungarian former prisoners of war fought on the Red side is, for some reason, kept quiet.
      And yet the workers and peasants won.

      Especially the peasants, yeah. The civil war was won by a centralized structure, imbued with totalitarian ideology, adept at mass propaganda and quickly building a full-fledged terror apparatus. At the time, this was the ultimate weapon. However, such organizations can still be quite successful today.
  2. +4
    9 November 2025 06: 31
    Peasants weren't allowed to choose their name: whatever the priest wrote down at baptism was the one they would bear for the rest of their lives. This is how some rather strange-sounding names emerged in Rus': Akakiy, Evlampy, Merkury, Afrikan, and so on. As well as Jewish names (Moses, Joseph, also known as Osip, Jacob—Yakov, and so on), this is why uneducated "researchers" routinely label as Jews the descendants of pure-blooded Russian peasants, whose ancestors for centuries were unable to travel beyond the nearest provincial town.

    My great-grandfather, a Cossack, was baptized by a priest and given the name Alim. He had 13 children: Ulyana, Evdokia, Ivan, Milanya, Agrippina, Elizaveta, Prokofi, Viktor, Rufail, Pavel, Konstantin, Alexander, and Denis.
    Rufail again. My grandfather Ivan Alimovich died in January 1943.
    What was the priest's purpose in giving him either an Arabic name or the name of an archangel? They don't sound quite right in Russian.
    1. +9
      9 November 2025 08: 42
      What was the priest's purpose in giving him either an Arabic name or the name of an archangel? They don't sound quite right in Russian.

      Was your great-grandfather born on August 14th? Then there's no question—the martyr Alim Maccabee. Such a name is often mentioned in the Christmastide. bully
      1. -2
        9 November 2025 18: 40
        Quote: ArchiPhil
        Then there are no questions - the martyr Alim Maccabee. This name appears in the Christmastide.

        Why would I need to know some Arab martyr? I can imagine how the Cossacks mocked that name, and accordingly, does he even consider the martyr Maccabeus?

        How is it at the Queen's gas station, God gave me a surname!
        1. +5
          9 November 2025 19: 05
          Why should I know some Arab martyr?

          You asked about the priest's reasoning behind your great-grandfather's baptismal name, and I answered. It's probably a secret to you that a person's baptismal name is given according to the Christmas season, in honor of a specific saint. Is that understandable? Whether the Cossacks laughed or not, I don't know, but it's unlikely, as there were a great many names back then.
    2. +4
      9 November 2025 13: 49
      I read about a case of a priest being beaten by a merchant.
      The merchant wanted to name his newborn son Vasily (Vasilevs), but the priest named the baby with a different, clearly unpleasant name.
      The merchant beat up the PRIEST!
      1. 0
        9 November 2025 18: 35
        Quote: hohol95
        The merchant beat up the PRIEST!

        He did the right thing. He stamps a person's life on his own, from his own mental fermentation.
        Holy man!!!
      2. 0
        9 November 2025 18: 41
        Quote: hohol95
        The merchant beat up the PRIEST!

        It can’t be, he just beat up a holy man and for what?
        1. +3
          9 November 2025 19: 20
          It must be assumed that the priest suffered because of Pushkin. Rumor has it that they want to rename "The Tale of the Priest and His Workman Balda," replacing the priest with a merchant. Who would like that? Well, the merchant couldn't resist. am
        2. +3
          9 November 2025 19: 33
          The merchant initially told the priest that the child should be named Vasily, but the priest went against the merchant’s opinion!
  3. +6
    9 November 2025 08: 36
    The reason for the Whites' defeat was the diversity, the wide range of elements within the White movement. The Reds were a monolith in the eyes of the population, with clear goals. But the Whites were a mosaic, each heading in their own direction, some into the woods, some for firewood.
    1. 11+
      9 November 2025 08: 56
      The reason for the defeat of the Whites

      First of all, it was an ideological program that was completely clear and understandable to the majority of the Russian population. Factories for the workers, land for the peasants. What could the Whites offer? hi
      1. +8
        9 November 2025 09: 02
        "The land issue destroyed the White movement" (c)
        1. 11+
          9 November 2025 09: 43
          "The land issue destroyed the White movement" (c)

          Well, Anton, it wasn't just the land issue, although that was certainly a key factor, considering that Russia was, at its core, an agrarian country. Seriously, seriously, what could the White movement offer the Russian people in those turbulent and terrible times? My answer is NOTHING! Hence the total defeat, no? hi
          1. +3
            9 November 2025 09: 54
            Hello, Sergey!
            I quoted a direct participant in the events, Denikin.
            1. +5
              9 November 2025 10: 08
              Hello, Sergey!

              Good morning Anton!
              *The whole system needs to be replaced!*, as plumbers say. laughing
              1. +4
                9 November 2025 10: 12
                But usually they change it up to the nearest working shutoff valve. I say this as a plumber.
      2. +4
        9 November 2025 10: 43
        For a thinking person, the slogans are purely populist, without explanation and not binding to anything.
        If an advertising agent is trying to sell you a product or service, that doesn't mean you should take them at face value. They can say anything they want. It's important to read the contract or conduct your own independent research.
        But the masses, for the most part, tend to believe fairytale promises. This psychological trait is well exploited in politics and network marketing.
        1. -5
          9 November 2025 10: 48
          Well, unlike the Bolshevik communist enemies, who lied to the Soviet people about EVERYTHING during Perestroika, the Bolsheviks delivered on their promises—they pulled Russia out of the First World War, which Nicholas II had dragged them into because of his obligations to France and Serbia, and they placed factories and plants under "workers' control," and began distributing land to the peasants. And it wasn't their fault that others had done everything poorly.
          1. +5
            9 November 2025 10: 56
            The land is for the peasants. Is it my private property? Can I manage it as I please and sell the harvest at market price?
            Factory workers. Will I be the owner and shareholder of the enterprise? How much of the profit will go into my pocket?
            I would ask questions like these.
            1. -7
              9 November 2025 10: 58
              Everyone has their own thoughts, but the enemies of the USSR think only of personal gain. You seized the USSR solely for the purpose of personal enrichment at the expense of the country and its people.
              1. +6
                9 November 2025 11: 32
                Personally, I didn't conquer the USSR. I live off my salary, and no one has abolished the right to wages.
          2. +7
            9 November 2025 10: 59
            Quote: tatra
            Well, unlike the enemies of the Bolsheviks-communists, who during their Perestroika lied to the Soviet people about EVERYTHING

            Irina, I came up with a more precise term for you... The Party Nomenklatura... based on your description, they are the enemies of the communists... and many of them are still in power.
            1. -5
              9 November 2025 11: 10
              Why is it that EVERY time someone writes about YOU, the enemies of communists and the USSR, you cowardly shift the blame onto others, but what else? You're like phantoms, seemingly always there to sow malice and hatred against others, but you're never there when it's time to defend your anti-Soviet people.
              And in this topic you are supposedly for the White Guards, but in reality you are against the Bolsheviks, and in order to be against them, you are always ready to be for anyone.
              1. +6
                9 November 2025 11: 16
                Quote: tatra
                Why EVERY time they write about YOU, the enemies of the communists and the USSR

                Quote: tatra
                And in this thread you're supposedly for the White Guards.

                Irina, you've misunderstood me again. I'm not an enemy of the USSR, I'm actually quite positive about it, but I don't want to fight over it and I don't see the point, since I don't remember it—for me, it's history, much like the Russian Empire—which is also history, and I don't want to fight over anything. Especially since the USSR has been gone for 35 years, and in that time, some people born after the USSR have already become grandmothers.
        2. +5
          9 November 2025 11: 02
          For a thinking person, the slogans are purely populist, without explanation and not binding to anything.

          To do this, we need to go back to the early twentieth century. What is the literacy rate of the country's rural population? Urban? And yet, it all worked!
          But the masses, for the most part, tend to believe fairy-tale promises.
          That's exactly it! And they continue to believe. bully
          This psychological property is well used in politics and network marketing.
          You know? The nineties were a good inoculation for not trusting anyone or anything... except your own. This formula works. bully
          1. +6
            9 November 2025 11: 10
            This formula works.
            If someone tells you something at length, at length, and beautifully, it means they're trying to sell you something. Read PR management textbooks, including Shpakovsky's.
            1. +4
              9 November 2025 11: 13
              If someone tells you something at length, a lot, and beautifully, it means they want to sell you something.

              There you go! So there's only one answer: *Thank you, but I'm not interested.* and away we go! laughing
        3. +2
          9 November 2025 11: 11
          Oh, come on. Propaganda is working now, and everyone believes it. They believe it mindlessly.
  4. -1
    9 November 2025 09: 07
    The enemies of the Bolshevik communists and their supporters, with everything they did, said and wrote in the 108 years since the October Revolution, have proven that they, with a manic obsession, longed to take the country away from them, but they were never able to honestly answer WHY?
    For all these 108 years, for their country and people, they have had and still have only stupid malice AGAINST everything Soviet.
  5. 0
    9 November 2025 09: 37
    The enemies of the USSR really want to compare what they did with the Great Patriotic War, but no, a more suitable analogy is what the same people as they did after the October Revolution.
  6. +9
    9 November 2025 10: 00
    The surname is derived from the Greek male name Mamant, which literally meant "breastfed" or "breast-sucking".

    In other words, a SUCKER! )))
    Good morning to the respected Valery and those present, all of whom are my friends! love hi )))
    1. +4
      9 November 2025 10: 23
      In other words, a SUCKER! )))
      Romulus and Remus.
      Hello, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
      1. 0
        9 November 2025 10: 41
        Hello, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!

        Good morning, dear Anton! Nice to see you!
        Vlad said above:
        The Reds were also diverse. Makhno alone was a force to be reckoned with, but they were able to offer the masses an idea and, from their positions in the capitals, represented power.

        We were able to propose an idea! To whom?
        Lenin, 1917, article TASKS OF THE PROLETARIAT in our revolution.
        "Russia is now seething. Millions and tens of millions, politically asleep for ten years, politically crushed by the terrible oppression of tsarism and the forced labor of landowners and factory owners, have awakened and are drawn to politics. And who are these millions and tens of millions? Mostly small proprietors, petty bourgeois, people standing in the middle between capitalists and wage workers. Russia is the most petty-bourgeois country of all European countries.
        A gigantic petty-bourgeois wave swept over everything, suppressed the conscious proletariat not only by its numbers, but also ideologically, i.e., infected and captured very broad circles of workers with petty-bourgeois views on politics."
        This blew me away back in the summer when I came across this text.
        I answered Lenin with all the Bolshevik directness.
        Like this:

        Vladimir Ilyich, what country did you live in?
        Has it ever occurred to you that the most disadvantaged—the worker, the farm laborer, and the beggar on the church porch—are not at all caught up in the petty-bourgeois wave, but rather live in it like fish in water, inherently bearing a petty-bourgeois consciousness ingrained in them from birth? That's it! Simply because they've never known any other social relations! And therefore, appealing to such disadvantaged people with the fairytale idea of ​​communism doesn't create a choice in their minds. Rallies and workers' circles are a kind of channeling, in which the fairytale is infused into the mind through criticism of the system of oppression, which is tantamount to brainwashing, but only partially due to the extreme pragmatism of the mind.
        And so, the idea of ​​a party pyramid enters a brain half-emptied by brainwashing, not out of unconditional trust, but because the brainwasher didn't intend to inject anything more substantial, so why not let this in—maybe it'll work? And the implanted idea, through internal dialogue, easily coexists with the petty-bourgeois remnants in the host's head, finding a consensus with it: "Let's see what I get out of this? What if I myself...?"
        1. +7
          9 November 2025 10: 52
          Wow, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! It's like some kind of Bolshevik Anonymous Club!
          1. +6
            9 November 2025 11: 10
            It's like some kind of Anonymous Bolshevik Club!

            Yeah, *Maxim's Youth*. laughing
            1. +7
              9 November 2025 11: 12
              More like Gorky's novel "Mother".
              1. +8
                9 November 2025 11: 54
                Here you are, damned devils! ))))
                You didn't get my joke! I stand above all parties and simply soberly assess the tragedy that has occurred. I would go even further, but only if it's Samsonov who goes further, not Ryzhov. It's a dangerous area, you know.
                1. +1
                  9 November 2025 12: 22
                  Here you are, damned devils! ))))

                  So, is that it? My dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna, both FC and HC, were quite a joy yesterday, which is where a certain liveliness of character came from. good
                  It's a dangerous area, you know.
                  We are slowly. Just a little bit. bully
                  1. +4
                    9 November 2025 12: 31
                    We are slowly. Just a little bit.
                    "By hook or by crook,
                    If not by sewing, then by patching,
                    If not with a drill, then with a chisel,
                    If not with a sickle, then with a hammer!
            2. -1
              10 November 2025 12: 42
              Quote: ArchiPhil
              Yeah, *Maxim's Youth*

              hi
              "Marx's Youth" too
              1. +1
                10 November 2025 13: 04
                "Marx's Youth" too

                Sorry, Andrey, but there is an inaccuracy. laughing There was a GDR series called *Karl Marx: The Young Years*. Did you mean that one? hiIt was filmed by Lev Kulidzhanov in 79.
                1. 0
                  10 November 2025 13: 27
                  Quote: ArchiPhil
                  There was a GDR series like this,

                  hi no, there was such a novel by G. Serebryakova, a fiery revolutionary,
                  1. +1
                    10 November 2025 13: 35
                    such a novel by G. Serebryakova
                    Hmmm....I just passed by and didn't even hear. recourse In my youth, I was somehow more interested in sports, unfortunately.
                    1. -1
                      10 November 2025 13: 53
                      Quote: ArchiPhil
                      Hmmm....yes, somehow I passed by

                      She is a member of the RCPB...14 years In GV! An amazing and terrible fate, well written...
                      1. +2
                        10 November 2025 14: 07
                        A wonderful and terrible fate, well written...

                        I became interested in the biography. Her fate was truly unenviable. I really liked two quotes: one attributed to Lavrentiy Beria: *Such beautiful women are not shot!*, and the other: *Human dignity is not measured by comfort.* And what a beauty, to boot!
        2. +6
          9 November 2025 11: 07
          I realize I slightly overwhelmed Anton with my excessive seriousness, but an idea is an idea, but what happened in practice? Should we keep silent about it? As Andrei Removich, our Minister of Defense, said, "You can make mistakes, but you can't lie." So let's not do that! The revolution succeeded not because everyone embraced the idea of ​​communism, but because a small group of people managed to revive the fallen government and organize a sufficient—I emphasize this—a sufficient group of unconditional support. And then I quote myself:
          Informed sources say that in the early 20s, there were over two hundred thousand enthusiastic followers of the communist idea, armed with, say, a Mauser. Weren't they the same ones who suppressed uprisings in the provinces? Yes, those very same ones! Those very same ones who would become the rank and file and command staff of the Cheka, with its special secret department, unlimited power, and merciless reprisals against those deemed undesirable, with cynical executions on the spot, torture in dungeons, taking away but not dividing—the "Red Terror"!
          The lack of control and the fear instilled from the bottom up, even in the party organs (everyone was under suspicion!) forced the transformation of the Cheka into the OGPU, then into the NKVD with its GULAG, then into the KGB, and here it is – the FSB as the heir to glorious traditions...
          And now, that is, today, I ask whether it was possible to avoid all of this and the horrors of the NEP and subsequent collectivization.
          But it couldn't have been avoided. I'll put it briefly. Because the Romanovs, having gotten involved in the war, got carried away with playing at garrison state instead of establishing a constitutional monarchy and developing full-fledged capitalism.
          1. +6
            9 November 2025 11: 16
            Instead of establishing a constitutional monarchy and developing full-fledged capitalism.

            But this understanding came later... and not to us! But? Thanks to our October Revolution.
          2. +5
            9 November 2025 12: 51
            As Andrei Removich, our military minister, said, you can make mistakes, but you can’t lie.
            "A boy said - a boy did!
            "If you didn't do it, I said it again!"
            1. +5
              9 November 2025 13: 09
              "A boy said - a boy did!
              "If you didn't do it, I said it again!"

              Looks like Removich's been taken over. He's back where he started. It's the Ministry of Defense! What a bunch of guys! wassat )))
              1. +6
                9 November 2025 13: 14
                Uh-huh. Tell me, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, is covering up our losses in the current war "lying" or "making a mistake"?
      2. +3
        9 November 2025 11: 04
        Romulus and Remus

        There was exactly the same analogy! laughing
    2. Fat
      +4
      9 November 2025 12: 02
      hi love As you name the ship, so it will fly... smile
      1. +4
        9 November 2025 12: 44
        Andrey Borisovich, my dear, I'm so glad to see you!)))
        Let me post a giant comment here. With or without reason. Everyone's talking about the Whites, and I'm talking about the Reds. Because they're two sides of the same coin.
        What is the price of the February revolution?
        I once read an article in which a foreign specialist—and we had many of them during the era of socialist industrialization—was surprised, as if to say, "How is this possible?" Workers eat in the cafeteria, while management dines in a special room, the menu is different, and there's a waitress in an apron. And all because the USSR FROM THE BEGINNING was formed as a stratified state. Because people had been accustomed to stratification for a millennium.
        But, strangely enough, despite the difficult pre-war period, against all odds, a largely just and honest Soviet people began to emerge—an educated people who demanded respect. And why is it strange? In a world where denunciations were ubiquitous, where Black Marias arrived at night, it was far more convenient to be honest and to profit through professional advancement. And before the Great Patriotic War, this had already begun to become a widespread habit, commanding respect.
        So where did such a nimble elite come from in this nation? It emerged from the start. During the New Economic Policy (NEP), this elite created a bureaucratic caste, hideously corrupt and vile. It, sometimes quiet when necessary, sometimes parading its mug when possible, and all the while skillfully and deafeningly hiding behind the obligatory slogans of socialism and communism for the masses, survived by parasitizing on the people, and ultimately dragged the Soviet Union (hereinafter referred to as the USSR) to a complete and shameful collapse. Having gathered momentum, it is rolling into the future, leaving us in the past.
        I explain.
        Not just any person was appointed to leadership positions, starting from the lowest level of party and economic bodies. For example, not just any Vasya from the street, or Petya from the same place, simply because they, Vasya and Petya, were rumored to be good, honest people and excellent organizers. Initially, a leadership position was assigned either to a commander who had fought in a world war, a revolution, or a civil war, or at least a civil war. Or even to an ordinary participant in a bloody conflict. In other words, an ideologically sound, proven cadre. Or, if a specialist was hired for an economic position, then a cadre, to guide the specialist's activities in an ideological direction, would serve as their deputy. And who were these proven, ideologically sound cadres?
        During the First World War and the Civil War, and the inevitable horrors that accompanied them, the psyches of future "cadres" were subjected to trauma and breakdown. To varying degrees, most of those who participated in the fighting, dispossession, and persecution of perceived ideological opponents became embittered, many to the point of complete insensitivity, fueled by class hatred.
        Oddly enough, in this case the Overton principle works in the reverse decomposition of Glen Beck, the author of the novel "The Overton Window". And if Overton described how the appearance of power changes under the demand of the subordinate people, then Beck presented the principle of forming new social norms by spreading ideas that are beneficial to the authorities. In turn, the American politician Joshua Treviño proposed a concept of stages of change of initial moral norms, based on the fact that such moral norms exist.
        Steps:
        UNITHINKABLE!
        Radically.
        Acceptable.
        Reasonable.
        Popular.
        Legally.

        ...And now imagine a Red Army commander or a rank-and-file soldier who first hands over everything they've taken, where it's supposed to be, because it's unthinkable! The next time, unable to resist, because expropriation is already commonplace and the receivers believe everything has been handed over and, according to rumors, they're even pocketing some, a hard-won radical decision follows—bang!—and take something for themselves. Next comes acceptable, then even more reasonable and popular, and then legal, because it's a trophy. Didn't get enough? But he took it! So don't complain that someone else got lucky in an unimaginable amount. Mutual responsibility.
        Take away, but do not share. Robbery.
        Stalin, these "cadres," purged them one way or another. But he didn't purge them completely. And now their descendants rule our lives.
        1. Fat
          +4
          9 November 2025 13: 15
          Accepted smile It's hard to say how old the philosophy of Taoism is, from which many wise Europeans still extract "new things"... Dialectical materialism or Overton's theory, for example. request
          1. +4
            9 November 2025 13: 41
            There are so many maxims in Zhuangzi and Stratagems that they're enough for everyday life. And there's still some left over for communication.
            1. Fat
              +4
              9 November 2025 14: 04
              "This is the way..." (c) laughing
  7. 0
    9 November 2025 10: 15
    The enemies of the Soviet people were the same both in the Soviet period and in their evil and totally deceitful anti-Soviet period, and by what they did after they captured the USSR - they clearly showed what would have happened if they had captured Russia during the Civil War they unleashed against the Bolsheviks and their supporters.
  8. +8
    9 November 2025 11: 19
    The respected author really went to great lengths with the last name))
    But then...
    The family of the future general cannot be called very noble and rich, but it was not impoverished either; one of his relatives, for example, married the sister of Vladimir Nikolaevich Kokovtsov, the Minister of Finance of the Empire.

    Valery, what makes you think the Kokovtsovs are any kind of noble family? They were ordinary noblemen, and if Vladimir Nikolayevich made a decent career, it certainly wasn't thanks to the patronage of the powerful. He was a genuinely capable official, which is why he rose to a ministerial post.
    After all, General Mamontov's first wife was from a far more noble and titled family, the von Stempel barons. And the relative who married Kokovtsov's sister was the future general's uncle (and guardian), Valery Nikolaevich Mamontov, who rose to the rank of privy councilor and senator.
  9. -1
    9 November 2025 11: 52
    Mamantov's inglorious death in Yekaterinodar
    ... died of typhus at the front, as a soldier of Russia, having fulfilled his duty - what's inglorious about that?

    And what about the glorious death of the aforementioned informer Marshal Yegorov, who betrayed his wife and 139 comrades to their deaths, a confessed German spy and saboteur against Stalin?

    Or the death from beatings of a Knight of the Red Banner and Red Star No. 1? Or of thousands of other senior Red Army commanders who were shot or rotted in camps?

    Mamontov's soldier's fate for them is an unattainable dream...
    1. VLR
      +8
      9 November 2025 14: 57
      The marauder Mamantov, despised by Wrangel, failed to fulfill his duty, despite having a chance to capture Moscow, but he chose to plunder the civilian population of Russian cities. He also didn't shy away from looting Orthodox churches, bringing back 250 gold-mounted icons alone, plus six large boxes of precious church vessels. Denikin was forced to recall his corps under threat of a court martial for all officers. He and Shkuro were utterly defeated by Budyonny. The extent of his glorious or inglorious death can be judged by the fact that this plunderer's abandoned body lay in the church for a month—and no one bothered to bury it. The Reds then buried him somewhere, like a dog. This will be discussed in the next article.
      1. -4
        9 November 2025 15: 48
        Quote: VlR
        The marauder Mamantov, despised by Wrangel, did not fulfill his duty, although he had a chance to capture Moscow - but he preferred to plunder the civilian population of Russian cities.

        Wrangel saw the talented Mamontov as a competitor, but he did the best he could, but his strength was incomparable:

        I considered Mamantov the most capable cavalry commander of all the cavalry corps commanders in the armies of Krasnov and Denikin. His decisions were, for the most part, intelligent and daring. When operating against our infantry, he skillfully exploited the mobility of his cavalry, achieving significant success.
        S. M. Budyonny

        So I fulfilled my duty.
        But the Budyonny-turned-Kuliki people have done a lot more...
        Quote: VlR
        And how glorious or inglorious his death was can be judged by the fact that the corpse of this robber, unneeded by anyone, lay in the church for a whole month.

        General Mamantov died at noon on February 1, 1920. He was buried in the tomb of the Yekaterinodar Cathedral of St. Catherine in Yekaterinodar..

        The fact that someone, having captured Yekaterinodar, dug it up and mocked it, what can you take from a beast?
        Quote: VlR
        the reds buried it somewhere, like a dog.
        -
        as an enemy, but as you said, these are the red marshals - Bluchers, Tukhachevskys, Egorovs, and also
        COMMANDERS
        1. Belov Ivan Panfilovich (1893-29.07.1938), executed by firing squad (division commander, corps commander, district commander)
        2. Uborevich Ieronim Petrovich (1896-12.06.1937), executed by firing squad (division commander, army, district)
        3. Fedko Ivan Fedorovich (1897-26.02.1939), executed by firing squad (division commander, corps commander, district commander)
        5. Yakir Iona Emmanuilovich (1896-06/12/1937), execution (command division, corp., district)
        6. Alksnis Yakov Ivanovich (1896-29.07.1938), executed by firing squad (military commissar of the division, head of the Air Force)
        7. Vatsetis Ioakim Ioakimovich (1873-28.07.1938), executed (division commander, teacher)
        8. Velikanov Mikhail Dmitrievich (1893-29.07.1938), executed by firing squad (division commander, district)
        9. Dubovoy Ivan Naumovich (1896-29.07.193), executed by firing squad (division commander, corps, district)
        10. Dybenko Pavel Efimovich (1889-29.07.1938), executed by firing squad (division commander, corps, district)
        11. Kashirin Nikolai Dmitrievich (1888-14.06.1938), executed by firing squad (division commander, corps, district)
        12. Kork Avgust Ivanovich (1887-12.06.1937), execution (nsh, commander of the army, district)
        13. Levandovsky Mikhail Karlovich (1890-29.07.1938), executed by execution (division commander, army, district)
        14. Sedyakin Alexander Ignatyevich (1893-29.07.1938), executed by firing squad (division commander, army, district)
        15. Nikolai Mikhailovich Sinyavsky (1891-29.07.1938), executed (chief of communications, deputy people's commissar)

        COMOR
        1. Alafuso Mikhail Ivanovich (1891-07/13/1937), execution (nsh army, district)

        and so on, many and many
        1. +3
          10 November 2025 12: 42
          Wrangel saw the talented Mamontov as a competitor

          That's where you're gravely mistaken, Alexander. Mamontov couldn't have been a rival to the commander of the volunteer Armed Forces of South Russia, but he certainly was to Krasnov, the head of the republic's "Great Don Host." Moreover, Mamontov enjoyed great authority within the Great Circle of the Don's Salvation. Correspondence between O.M. Wrangel and the commander of the cavalry of the Armed Forces of South Russia, I.G. Barbovich, expresses deep mutual regret over Mamontov's strange death and seriously suggests P. Krasnov's involvement:
          It's completely inexplicable why Konstantin Konstantinovich, ill with typhus, was sent not to my DobrArmiya hospital, which had all the necessary equipment and staff trained to treat typhus abdominalis, but to the Yekaterinodar Don Hospital, where I had previously served. I strongly suspect that Mamantov, who had already recovered, was deliberately poisoned. The tragedy occurred on January 31, 1920. For some reason, there was no guard outside his room; only his wife, Catherine, stood watch in the room with her husband. After 10:00 PM, when the hospital had fallen asleep, an unfamiliar man in a white coat entered the room, introducing himself as a paramedic, holding a ready-made syringe. The general lost consciousness after the injection and died without regaining consciousness. At the time of his death, no doctors or colleagues were present, only his despairing wife. My suspicions are further fueled by the recent campaign to discredit Mamantov in the Red press. The same Donskie Vedomosti, which previously published information about Mamantov's successful raid on Moscow, recently ran a vicious article targeting Mamantov, discrediting the results of Konstantin Konstantinovich's Moscow raid. And the fact that during the general's funeral service in the Yekaterinodar Cathedral, there were no Cossacks or officers from his 4th Don Corps among the numerous attendees. Rumor has it that Konstantin Konstantinovich has still not been buried. This is all very strange.... (c)

          To which Barbovich will respond:
          What a paradox! Such powerful resistance forces as our Volunteer and Don Armies arose from practically the same source. Both contained officers, Cossacks, cadets, and military cadets. Both had a desire to fight the Bolsheviks. But both had disagreements among the generals. The actions of our Russian officers sometimes astonished, sometimes shocked. A.P. Leonov's proposal was justified. Both he and everyone around him saw that the field ataman, P.Kh. Popov, was unfit for the responsibility entrusted to him, that his refusal to unite Kornilov's forces and his campaign in the Salsk steppes would not end well. It would seem that such an experienced combat officer as Konstantin Konstantinovich should have taken the ataman's mace from the field ataman, but his notion of a Russian officer's honor affected the fate of Russia and hundreds of people. Mamantov refused to remove P.Kh. Popov. Moreover, he reported to him about the plot that was brewing. “Not allowing himself to be drawn into intrigue, Mamantov categorically refused to accept this proposal, reporting everything to the Campaign Ataman Popov. What kind of intrigue could there be when it was a matter of saving people and the Motherland? However, recently Konstantin Konstantinovich greatly regretted that mistake and advocated for the unification of our forces to achieve victory, which naturally could not help but cause discontent among the separatist Krasnov. So your suspicions, my dear Olga Mikhailovna, are entirely justified. I will say more: the Orlov commission sent by Pyotr Nikolaevich (my note- V.G. Orlov, head of Wrangel's counterintelligence, did not allow Krasnov into Yekaterinodar to investigate the circumstances of General Mamontov's death.....(c)

          links: Archivist's Bulletin No. 2 N.M. Kotlyarovsky Correspondence of O.M. Wrangel 2013 Moscow State University of the Russian State Institute of Humanities ISSN 2073-0101
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            10 November 2025 13: 00
            Quote: Richard
            Wrangel saw the talented Mamontov as a competitor

            That's where you're very wrong, Alexander. A competitor to the commander of the volunteer Armed Forces of South Russia There couldn't have been mammoths.

            The Commander could not: Wrangel was not the Commander of the Armed Forces of South Russia at the time of Mamontov’s death, but he was a competitor.
            1. +5
              10 November 2025 13: 35
              Wrangel was not the Commander of the Armed Forces of South Russia at the time of Mamontov’s death,

              I agree I was mistaken; Wrangel would only become Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of South Russia in April. At the time of Mamontov's death, Wrangel, Shatilov, and almost the entire Black Sea Fleet command had been dismissed by Denikin, who was rapidly losing his authority.
              The precise dating is definitely a plus. But it doesn't really change the essence—at this time, Wrangel was quickly gaining authority among the Volunteers, the Caucasian Cossacks, and the naval forces. Mamantov was gaining authority among the Don Cossacks and the Don Salvation Circle, which Krasnov greatly disliked.
      2. +3
        10 November 2025 13: 24
        the marauder Mamantov, despised by Wrangel
        Valery, where does such a categorical judgment come from?
        Here you are confusing Wrangel with Denikin.
        1. VLR
          +2
          10 November 2025 16: 08
          Denikin disliked him, and Wrangel despised and even hated him. He became especially embittered after that raid. The Cossacks hadn't taken Tsaritsyn, so Wrangel's Caucasian Army had to do it. And then Wrangel barely held onto Tsaritsyn, while Mamantov's Cossack women, having broken into the Red Army rear, instead of marching on Moscow, began mindlessly looting Russian cities and Orthodox churches. They even avoided battle with Budyonny, who was trying to stop them. The commanders of all three of Denikin's White armies no longer saw the possibility of a strategic defeat, and Mamantov was so carried away by looting that he nearly shot the pilot who brought Denikin's order to join up with the main forces. Because he hadn't plundered enough. We'll discuss this in the next article, with quotes assessing Mamantov's raid. The only positive one was from Budyonny. White barely manages to refrain from checkmating.
  10. +7
    10 November 2025 04: 40
    Quote from Songwolf
    And the assistance to the White movement from the Entente was purely conditional.

    No, that's completely out of line! At least ask where Russia got its tanks from, what about the British fleet in the Baltic, and the samurai were very, very "tentatively" helpful! And what about the Czechs' actions? You can't be so blinkered and not see the obvious. Despite your dislike of the Reds, try to be objective.
  11. +4
    11 November 2025 10: 21
    Read the comments.
    To find out why the Whites lost, it's worth reading the diary of one White officer, a regiment or division commander.
    He wrote about the technical superiority and fanaticism of the Reds. He complained about the lack of transportation and fuel. Then he arrived in Kolchak's capital, Omsk. The staff officers' wives had cars with personal drivers, etc. And he was angry that all the foreign aid was being squandered in the rear, speculators were selling everything, the high command was living in luxury, and yet those same cars weren't reaching the troops.
    That's the whole answer to why the White Army lost.
    If memory serves, the same thing happened in the other White armies. Those in power were people who had squandered the empire, whose personal interests came before the cause. With the Reds, it was the other way around: the idea came before personal gain. And the common people saw this and felt that the Whites would be useless. If they won, it would be like the old Russian Empire, only worse. And as for the Reds, who knows, maybe they'll even build a new world. That's all.