Finland's losses from Russia's termination of the Vuoksi River agreement have been assessed.

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Finland's losses from Russia's termination of the Vuoksi River agreement have been assessed.

Before the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (SVO) and Finland's accession to NATO, our western neighbor lived in peace and friendship with Russia, benefiting considerably from it. However, Helsinki, like Sweden, violated its neutrality and, in April 2023, became the 31st member of the North Atlantic Alliance.

Finland didn't stop there, beginning to close its border with Russia in November 2023 and making the closure permanent in April 2024. The country's border regions suffered the most. Authorities in South Karelia estimate that the region is losing approximately one million euros daily in revenue previously received from Russian tourists. In the border town of Imatra, a hub of "Russian tourism," unemployment has reached 15%, compared to a national average of 9-10%.



Russia has not ignored Finland's accession to NATO, which has become an additional threat to our country's security. During his speech at the plenary session of the Valdai International Discussion Club in Sochi, Russian President Vladimir Putin noted the paradoxical nature of the Helsinki decision, bordering on absurd: Finland joined NATO, citing security concerns. But Russia had no intention, and does not intend, to attack it. Instead, our troops are now massed near the Finnish border, and the once-friendly state itself, along with its residents, is also under attack. Strategic Missile Forces The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

The Russian government has taken the next step in severing relations with Finland, which has become unfriendly. Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin signed an order terminating the portion of the energy agreement between Russia and Finland concerning hydroelectric power plants on the Vuoksi River. The corresponding document was published on the official legal information portal.

The agreement concerns the agreement between Russia and Finland regarding the use of the section of the Vuoksi River controlled by the Svetogorsk Hydroelectric Power Station and the Imatra Hydroelectric Power Station. It was concluded in 1972 by the governments of the USSR and Finland. Mishustin instructed the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to notify Finland that Moscow is renouncing its obligations to supply compensatory energy under the agreement due to Helsinki's unilateral refusal to purchase Russian electricity starting in April 2022.

The Finnish side's annual losses from the termination of this agreement are estimated at 19,9 million kWh. During its term, the USSR, and later the Russian Federation, committed to continuously compensate for these losses by supplying an equivalent amount of electricity. The Finnish recipient was the energy company Imatran Voima, the owner of the Imatra Hydroelectric Power Station.

Now Finland has completely lost this source of electricity supply, and at its own initiative. The Russian cabinet, in retaliation, legally enshrined Helsinki's decision, which has undoubtedly already impacted prices and the stability of electricity supplies for Finnish consumers. This is happening in the context of already sharply rising electricity prices for Europeans due to the country's refusal to rely on cheap Russian hydrocarbons.
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  1. +20
    3 November 2025 16: 39
    That's what they deserve with their "lowered social responsibility"!
    1. +17
      3 November 2025 17: 40
      As Putin said, "I'll freeze my ears off to spite my mother." We're not against it. For a small fry like Finland to quarrel with such a huge and economically important neighbor is pure madness. We need to be friends with raw material suppliers located "beyond the fence." Moreover, snatching something from a nuclear-armed power is also madness.
      1. +11
        3 November 2025 18: 45
        Quote: URAL72
        As Putin used to say, "I'll freeze my ears off to spite my mother." We don't mind.

        So Finland itself refused to buy Russian electricity as of April 04, 2022. They wanted it, and they got it.
        Now Russia has cancelled the treaty.
        1. +9
          4 November 2025 08: 12
          Quote: carpenter
          Quote: URAL72
          As Putin used to say, "I'll freeze my ears off to spite my mother." We don't mind.

          So Finland itself refused to buy Russian electricity as of April 04, 2022. They wanted it, and they got it.
          Now Russia has cancelled the treaty.

          It’s just not clear why we waited so long and kept the agreement.
          1. +3
            4 November 2025 08: 56
            Quote from ARIONkrsk
            It’s just not clear why we waited so long and kept the agreement.

            Well, as always - "we're not them." Eternal Russian nobility.
          2. +1
            5 November 2025 03: 39
            Hope feeds the youth... After all, he told them earlier that WE are like our bourgeois...
      2. 0
        7 November 2025 17: 50
        hi
        Quote: URAL72
        For a small country like Finland to quarrel with such a huge and economically important neighbor is pure madness.

        Good evening. Right now, all of Europe is practicing madness. People are lining up for a white ticket. And everyone understands perfectly well that there is no threat from Russia, nor can there be. Europe continues to dance on the rake... Yes
    2. +12
      3 November 2025 18: 30
      Who will you hang out with?plague of Ukrainianism" contagious and deadly
  2. +14
    3 November 2025 16: 54
    It is clear that these are the actions of politicians/officials, but they themselves elected them....
    They will repeat that citizens do not choose anyone in any way... the justification is so-so....
    1. +16
      3 November 2025 17: 09
      If ordinary Finns didn't want to join NATO, I think they could have explained it to the authorities. So, they wanted it, it was itching. Surely not out of fear?
      1. +4
        3 November 2025 17: 22
        Hello Roman soldier
        This is a pattern... every nation has a leader that it deserves.
        Sometimes they choose for fun, but that's the exception to the rule...
        1. +13
          3 November 2025 17: 32
          Quote: rocket757
          Every nation has a leader it deserves.

          More likely it is this: Every nation has leaders who have it... smile
          1. +3
            3 November 2025 17: 37
            On the one hand, it’s kind of sad... but we can’t live without humor!
        2. -1
          3 November 2025 17: 56
          Every nation has a leader it deserves.

          I beg to differ. In some places, power is passed on by inheritance, in others it's held on to through various means, and in others, there's fraud. Or perhaps you could explain how the Russian people so quickly changed their tune when they replaced Yeltsin with the diametrically opposed Putin? Have they become wiser?
          1. +4
            3 November 2025 18: 33
            So, as far as I remember, VVP Yeltsin introduced us to him personally, appointing him to the post of prime minister, and then elections followed. Before that, VVP headed the FSB, then the Security Council. That was in August 1999. Then, in December, Yeltsin resigned, and Vladimir Vladimirovich became president, with the prefix "acting." Then came the elections of March 2000...
          2. +6
            3 November 2025 19: 19
            There are no simple answers, especially since all those who have lost their illusions and become quite cynical understand that the power of the people is a myth.
            But still, even those who rule nations/states and are forced, before they can push through their own, to introduce certain ideas to the masses... they need at least the appearance of support from a significant portion of voters, because the opposite, just for kicks, might not produce the result they desire...
            In general, it is clear that the matter is dark.
            States, people and are ruled by a SYSTEM... only another system, no less powerful and effective, can work against it.
            Something like that... but it's not exact, it's all philosophy...
            1. 0
              4 November 2025 11: 56
              VTsIOM will convincingly paint any appearance, I think. If, for fun, they were to throw in the idea that all power comes from the reptilians from Nibiru, VTsIOM polls would show that 70% believe this and even maintain contact. And the rest? And there are tablets about them. (So, that's 1,9 percent. That is, the eternal two percent of crap. And these two percent of crap think they have the power here?! (...) Think they have the right to explain things to anyone in Moscow?!)
              1. 0
                4 November 2025 12: 35
                The Moscow people, the upper crust, listen only to themselves...
          3. +2
            4 November 2025 00: 58
            Somewhere power is passed on by inheritance, somewhere it is held in different ways, somewhere there are falsifications

            Right about the 90s. The rigging. There was a referendum for the USSR, which was ignored. Then there was the Duma dispute, then the 1996 elections under the slogan "vote or lose," which Zyuganov botched. The fact that Putin came to power in 2000 is, in many ways, very surprising given the chain of events that preceded it.
        3. +2
          4 November 2025 16: 11
          Well, Zelibaba was chosen just for fun. People voted for Goloborodko, not him.
          1. 0
            4 November 2025 16: 32
            What can I say... the PR people did an effective job...
            thirst is nothing, image is everything!
      2. +2
        4 November 2025 08: 52
        Yes, there is a traditional hatred of Russians among those whom Russians helped to rise or even survive.
        Where would these Finns be if not for the Russian Tsar? The Swedes would have completely assimilated them. But no, their inferiority complex prevents them from living. Even in the 21st century, despite the massive cross-border movement of people to and from both countries, hostility toward Russians persisted in culture and the media.
        Moreover, their own media reports say they are currently experiencing a deep crisis, with unemployment at a record level since... 1990. That is, they were already living well back then thanks to their ties with the USSR, and they sank when those established ties collapsed.
        The situation is the same now, but no conclusions are being drawn.
        Many have been seen doing this - Armenia, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Montenegro... and even the USA and even Britain, if you dig deeper.
        1. 0
          7 November 2025 12: 29
          Quote: zampolit
          The Swedes would have completely assimilated them.

          The Swedes didn't even assimilate those Finns who remained in Sweden. For example, Finnish is one of the official languages ​​in Sweden. And overall, there's no discernible assimilation policy. Another point is that without the Russian Tsar, Finland would not have become an independent country, but would have remained, as before, part of Sweden.

          Quote: zampolit
          Their own media writes that they are currently experiencing a deep crisis, unemployment is at a record level since... 1990

          Here we must take into account that for some people the soup is thin, while for others it is like small pearls!
          Finland was and remains one of the richest countries in the world, per capita. Perhaps this is why local elites have become overly arrogant and decided to spoil relations with Russia, using the SVO as a pretext. This will, of course, be a factor (but only one of many; they're up to other mischief, too) that will lower their economic performance.

          Quote: zampolit
          Many have been seen doing this - Armenia, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Montenegro...

          In theory, any economy in any country benefits from being friends with everyone and generally not showing off. Money has always loved silence. But sometimes showing off becomes more important than money. request
          1. 0
            7 November 2025 14: 49
            As far as I know, Finnish had no official status, only Swedish. So, if all laws, courts, and educational institutions used only Swedish, how much of their identity would remain by now?
            Yes, according to church law, basic reading instruction in villages was conducted in Finnish, otherwise the children simply wouldn't have understood, but textbooks were only in Swedish. Or Latin.
            And the Finnish nobility itself spoke Swedish during the times of ruotsin aika.
            That is, statehood and even autonomy were not in the cards for them; they would have remained with the rural dialect and the ordinary people, and that would have been it.
            1. 0
              7 November 2025 15: 05
              Quote: zampolit
              how much of their identity would remain by now

              Meänkieli now has official status. If I understand correctly, you're referring to the period from 1888 to 1957, when Meänkieli was officially banned in Sweden. Whether this was enough time to erase its identity is debatable. It's important to remember that after Finland was lost, very few Finns remained in Sweden, but even with a small number of speakers and official persecution, the language survived.

              If the Finns were incomparably more numerous, the persecution would be less severe and maintaining communication would be easier. And overall, the Israeli example shows that, if desired, identity can be restored after hundreds of years of complete oblivion. laughing

              But overall, I agree that Sweden's defeat in the wars with the Russian Empire greatly helped Finnish national identity.
      3. +2
        4 November 2025 23: 03
        Quote: novel xnumx
        If ordinary Finns didn't want to join NATO, I think they could explain it to the authorities. So, they wanted it, even…
        Novel hi Nowhere in 'civilized' Europe do they ask the public - they carry out massive media pressure by playing out situations like Bucha, and then the public for all the good against all the bad And there won't be anyone willing to object. They're good at baiting people, and the public will buy it: today they're for 404, tomorrow they're for the Arabs, and the day after, these same people will be marching with flags in defense of the sons of Israel... The methodology has been perfected and doesn't fail.
    2. +1
      3 November 2025 18: 12
      The justification is really so-so, but for some reason, when unfolded, it is regarded as a throw-in.
      1. +2
        3 November 2025 19: 28
        There are topics on which there will always be controversy... there is no consensus and there never will be.
        Arguing about elections is a waste of time.
    3. +2
      3 November 2025 22: 42
      But!...hmm, it's different with us. Is everything "correct" with us? Or is it?
      1. 0
        3 November 2025 23: 11
        A well-asked question... we do everything "correctly, honestly", who would doubt it? wink
        Just to be clear, we're the same as everyone else...
  3. +6
    3 November 2025 16: 54
    Moscow is renouncing its obligations to supply compensatory energy under the agreement due to Helsinki's unilateral refusal to purchase Russian electricity from April 2022.

    We thought about it for a long time. Were we hoping the Finns would realize this and change their minds? I just can't figure out if this is just naivety or something? And if it's "or something," then what? What are we hoping for, common sense? Are we still hoping for "THEIR common sense"??? I just can't understand this logic. request
    1. +14
      3 November 2025 17: 02
      It's not naivety. They hate us. They just hid it before, and now it's spilled. They're really after Karelia.
      1. +8
        3 November 2025 23: 54
        I spoke a couple of times with the "Finiks" who, in the late 90s and early 2000s, came to the remains of former farmsteads in the Vyborg district of Leningrad Oblast, where they were born and lived before the Winter War. They spoke Russian and English poorly, but not even from their words, but from the expressions on their faces when I learned that we were building country houses and dachas for St. Petersburg residents, it was clear that reclaiming these lands was their dream. That's why they joined NATO, hoping to emerge on the winning side and participate in the dismemberment of Russia. But they failed, and let them take their punishment for now in the economy.
        1. 0
          4 November 2025 12: 00
          These Finns need to be brought back into the bosom of the empire. You'll be surprised how quickly they start babbling in Russian. Although, for fun, I'd give them to Uzbekistan in chapalakhas for cotton harvesting.
  4. +5
    3 November 2025 16: 56
    Now we can inject cheap hydrocarbons into the Russian economy, utilities, and ordinary citizens' fuel tanks.
    1. +17
      3 November 2025 17: 03
      There was a good joke about cheap hydrocarbons for the population.
      1. +2
        3 November 2025 17: 34
        The joke may be good, but it's also very unkind because it's true. Lately, jokes in this style have become increasingly common.
        1. +1
          7 November 2025 15: 28
          Quote: cat Crush
          The joke may be good, but it's very unkind.

          Why the joke? The social gasification program was quite widespread.

          For example, my parents' house in a gardening community in the Moscow region was initially put on the waiting list under the program, but then switched to regular commercial gasification. Apparently, they ran out of money. sad
    2. 0
      3 November 2025 19: 36
      and for ordinary citizens in fuel tanks
      - there's no harm in dreaming laughing
    3. +1
      3 November 2025 20: 18
      Quote: black oil
      Now we can inject cheap hydrocarbons into the Russian economy, utilities, and ordinary citizens' fuel tanks.

      Yeah, right! Roll up your lips, they'll sell you a lip-rolling machine for that, it's expensive.
      1. +5
        3 November 2025 20: 24
        "In the morning I spread butter on my sandwich - / Immediately the thought comes: how are the people? / And the caviar doesn't go down my throat, / And the compote doesn't flow into my mouth!" L. Filatov.
    4. 0
      5 November 2025 10: 31
      Quote: black oil
      Now we can inject cheap hydrocarbons into the Russian economy, utilities, and ordinary citizens' fuel tanks.

      There was always enough gasoline within the country when the oil refineries weren't bombed. There's so much gas that the domestic market simply can't handle the surplus. The same goes for metal, wood, and coal. There's no demand, so production is being curtailed.
  5. +1
    3 November 2025 17: 00
    The dates made their choice and are now paying the price.
    1. -1
      3 November 2025 17: 53
      Why are gasoline and gas prices rising despite our cheap energy supplies?
      The auto industry produces basins with bolts.
  6. +11
    3 November 2025 17: 01
    This had to be done within an hour after the sanctions from the Danish side came into force.
  7. +1
    3 November 2025 17: 01
    Now eat your "akaly-kakaly" with a full spoon, as they say.)))
  8. +3
    3 November 2025 17: 07
    They joined in, rushed, hoping that if we destroyed Russia, all the members of the elite club called NATO would get a fat piece of the action, so they had to hurry. "But it's just like Mikhalych," they said, and they didn't get a piece, and there were many losses, and the border almost turned into a LBS...
    Greed was my undoing. As the proverb goes: "Even if you have a big mouth, you should only take small bites, otherwise you might choke."
    1. +1
      3 November 2025 23: 58
      That's right, you can't grab pieces that could tear out of your mouth along with part of your stomach! Pardon the naturist comparison.
    2. 0
      5 November 2025 10: 35
      Quote: Naval
      They joined in, rushed, hoping that if we destroyed Russia, all the members of the elite club called NATO would get a fat piece of the action, so they had to hurry. "But it's just like Mikhalych," they said, and they didn't get a piece, and there were many losses, and the border almost turned into a LBS...
      Greed was my undoing. As the proverb goes: "Even if you have a big mouth, you should only take small bites, otherwise you might choke."

      They weren't hoping for a collapse; they joined for a different reason. Yes, our troops are now on the border, which means there are fewer of them in Ukraine. The army needs to be expanded, and that means expenses. It's cheaper for thirty countries to maintain troops than for one.
  9. +7
    3 November 2025 17: 22
    This should have been done 3 years ago. Religion didn't allow it?
  10. +8
    3 November 2025 17: 27
    It's time to think about denouncement of the lease agreement between Finland and the Saimaa Canal, otherwise waiting until 2063 (the end date of the lease) is foolish in the current situation.
    1. +2
      4 November 2025 01: 19
      Quote from Ronrew
      It's time to think about denouncement of the lease agreement between Finland and the Saimaa Canal, otherwise waiting until 2063 (the end date of the lease) is foolish in the current situation.

      The Finns pay rent to the last penny, even though they don't use it. Why should we lose money under such circumstances?
      1. 0
        4 November 2025 21: 26
        Tell me where and how they pay. Is something being deposited somewhere in the depths of the Finnish treasury, but you can't use it? What's the point?
        1. 0
          5 November 2025 01: 22
          Quote: kamakama
          Tell me where and how they pay. Is something being deposited somewhere in the depths of the Finnish treasury, but you can't use it? What's the point?

          For those who don't understand, the money goes to the Russian Federation. Bold - they are not credited somewhere else, but are deposited into accounts in the Russian Federation
          1. 0
            5 November 2025 11: 35
            Wow, could you explain, to which bank and in what currency? To government accounts? I'm actually curious as to what's not subject to sanctions. Let's say they go to some OTP bank the same way they pay Gazprom, what then? You can't buy anything with them if they're euros; there are no direct transactions, especially if the sender is the "Russian state."
            1. 0
              5 November 2025 12: 51
              Quote: kamakama
              Wow, could you explain, to which bank and in what currency? To government accounts? I'm actually curious as to what's not subject to sanctions. Let's say they go to some OTP bank the same way they pay Gazprom, what then? You can't buy anything with them if they're euros; there are no direct transactions, especially if the sender is the "Russian state."

              https://iz.ru/1769269/semen-boikov/stavka-na-arendu-rf-i-finliandiia-sokhraniat-dogovor-po-saimenskomu-kanalu
              There are no ship movements, the money is being transferred, the lease is until 2063. Previously, our side proposed denunciating the lease, but it was postponed as a pretext for negotiations with the Finns; the Finns don't have the money for a new canal.
              1. 0
                5 November 2025 14: 26
                It's great that something is being credited somewhere. How do you use this money? The article doesn't mention a single word about it. It's kind of like kids paying with plantain leaves in a sandbox—nice, but nothing more.
                1. 0
                  5 November 2025 18: 49
                  Quote: kamakama
                  It's great that something is being credited somewhere. How do you use this money? The article doesn't mention a single word about it. It's kind of like kids paying with plantain leaves in a sandbox—nice, but nothing more.

                  Apparently those countries that on the sly They buy our oil and LNG exclusively with plantains??? And ship owners also pay for insurance with plantains?
                  And the ship owners we hired for transportation - do they charge strictly plantain for freight?
                  1. 0
                    6 November 2025 23: 49
                    Yuan, rubles, and even cash of all kinds and varieties. But all this requires a small detail: complete opacity of transactions. This greatly aggravates tax authorities in all countries. I can't imagine this happening with transactions through treasury accounts, whether in Finland, Russia, or anywhere else in the world.
    2. 0
      4 November 2025 15: 49
      Will you compensate for the costs of the SVO?
      1. 0
        4 November 2025 17: 48
        Your logic is incredibly far-fetched. Let's "lease" Sakhalin Oblast to Japan, Chukotka and Kamchatka to the US, the rest of the Far East to China, Karelia to the Finns, and southern Dagestan to Azerbaijan for 200 years. Surely, if they're paying in foreign currency, then that's fine? And there's no need to conduct a military coup—let's lease Crimea, Donbas, and Zaporozhye to Ukraine, and let them take Kuban, too. Not everything is measured in money, although our "elite" does have a "national" idea: money rules the world. Money is necessary, but it shouldn't be made a priority.
        1. 0
          5 November 2025 13: 07
          Quote from Ronrew
          Your logic is incredibly far-fetched. Let's "lease" Sakhalin Oblast to Japan, Chukotka and Kamchatka to the US, the rest of the Far East to China, Karelia to the Finns, and southern Dagestan to Azerbaijan for 200 years. Surely, if they're paying in foreign currency, then that's fine? And there's no need to conduct a military coup—let's lease Crimea, Donbas, and Zaporozhye to Ukraine, and let them take Kuban, too. Not everything is measured in money, although our "elite" does have a "national" idea: money rules the world. Money is necessary, but it shouldn't be made a priority.

          Hmm, in our The Japanese concession pumped oil for Japan until 1944 in parts of Sakhalin. It wasn't much, but for oil-poor Japan it was vital.
          Stalin calmly traded with the enemies of our allies
  11. +4
    3 November 2025 17: 31
    They have two nuclear power plants. They stopped receiving power from Russia in 22, with the start of the Second World War. This decree simply legally enshrined the Finns' refusal of our compensatory electricity. The boss is the boss.
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  13. +7
    3 November 2025 17: 40
    In 2022, the Finns gave up, but despite everything and against all odds, we supplied "compensatory electricity" for three years, losing almost 20 million kWh of electricity annually??? What mismanagement, indeed.
  14. 0
    3 November 2025 17: 42
    The author is at a loss for terminology! 19,9 million kW = 1 TW. The entire Scandinavia region doesn't generate that much. The Agreement referred to 19,9 GW of electricity (1 million watts).
    1. 0
      3 November 2025 22: 54
      The author is not in good terms
      I had a similar experience. In 1986, the year of Chernobyl, some friends asked me to test food samples from Ukraine. I went to the local Sanitary and Epidemiological Station, explained the request, and they put me in touch with a specialist who opened a cabinet in his office and, in all seriousness, began preparing a DP-5 radiation measurement device. When I asked him incredulously, he pulled out a Ministry of Health document and showed me: "Look, the measured level is 50 milliroentgens." I asked him: "What kind of document is it on?" Unabashed, he replied: "50 microroentgens. What difference does it make?!"
  15. +2
    3 November 2025 17: 45
    What did they say in some EU ranking? The Finns are the happiest and richest nation on earth. We'll see in 20 years how happy they'll be without free Russian resources.
  16. +1
    3 November 2025 18: 00
    I have a question! The Imatra hydroelectric power station is located upstream of the Vuoksi River. This means that the Imatra spillway affects the reservoir filling downstream—our Svetogorskaya and Lesogorskaya hydroelectric power stations. How are we harming the Finns' energy production? And, by extension, what have we been paying them for (in energy) all these years? Or are the fluctuations in water level that critical for the downstream hydroelectric power stations? But then we become dependent on the Imatra...
  17. +4
    3 November 2025 18: 01
    Quote: URAL72
    the people of Russia, when they replaced Yeltsin with the diametrically opposed Putin?

    Where is it diametrically opposed?
  18. +3
    3 November 2025 19: 25
    Quote: rocket757
    It is clear that these are the actions of politicians/officials, but they themselves elected them....
    They will repeat that citizens do not choose anyone in any way... the justification is so-so....

    This isn't an excuse. It's a statement of facts, nothing more. Even in the birthplace of democracy, ancient Greece, there were plenty of methods for electing not the person being elected, but the person who needed to be elected. From banal vote-buying to more sophisticated manipulations with clerotherium. These were the means of mechanizing elections at that time. Thus, democracy in its classical form, as it's presented to us, is nothing more than a spherical horse in a vacuum. In reality, it's a kind of whistle on a safety valve. All the steam must escape through it, lest it explode.
    1. 0
      3 November 2025 23: 12
      Pardon me :) I will stand up for "democracy in its classical form"!
      What's "presented" is one thing, and what actually happened is quite another. "Democracy" isn't the rule of the people, but rather, for a specific reason (it simply became part of the system in Athens), a college of landowners (demos, not ochlos). That is, a full property qualification for a clearly responsible state decision. Therefore, no slaves, no foreigners, no women. It began to be applied (and rightfully so) due to a crisis of autocratic power. As soon as the state emerges from the crisis... it immediately becomes clear that a "good apparatus" is "able" to handle things anyway. Therefore, its degeneration and all the "bad excesses" quickly follow. :) Conclusion: then and now, "true democracy" is only a temporary measure and only with the participation of those responsible for the decision.
      And everything, starting with “universal suffrage...” and the pseudo-continuity of the institution itself, Aristotle already laughed at that...
      1. +1
        4 November 2025 00: 15
        Actually, you don't contradict me - a spherical horse... What then, what now.
  19. +4
    3 November 2025 20: 03
    The easiest way out of this situation is solved in the Losevo area.
    Building a dam just 10 meters high will change the course of the Vuoksi River by 180 degrees. This has happened before in the history of our countries. We won't lose anything. The riverbeds will switch from south to north. Finland will lose a lot.
  20. +3
    3 November 2025 20: 04
    Moscow is renouncing its obligations to supply compensatory energy under the agreement due to Helsinki's unilateral refusal to purchase Russian electricity from April 2022.
    Oh, and we're getting going slowly. In three and a half years.
  21. +4
    3 November 2025 22: 27
    Moscow is renouncing its obligations to supply compensatory energy under the agreement due to Helsinki's unilateral refusal to purchase Russian electricity from April 2022.

    So, after more than three years? The Estonian reaction is something...
    1. +2
      4 November 2025 14: 32
      A practically instantaneous reaction for our bureaucratic apparatus, which has long been afflicted with a severe case of rheumatism. The British had been catching our cod in the Barents Sea for free since 1956, and now officials couldn't even figure out what we were getting (and, given our centuries-old diplomatic background, we should have gotten) in return.
      1. 0
        4 November 2025 16: 43
        Quote: Chief Officer Lom
        Almost instant reaction

        Maybe we've finally got ourselves harnessed and will soon be going really fast?
  22. +4
    3 November 2025 23: 31
    The actions of Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin are understandable... But!!! The SPEED of the Russian Government's movement toward the right and timely decision regarding Finland is astounding... Or is there no individual in the Government overseeing all the "processes" with Finland? Or does that "person" simply not care about Russian compensatory energy? Or does that "person" have a musical or philological education??? The bottom line: we should probably expect a compensatory increase in electricity tariffs in 2026 for the Russian aborigine, to offset the loss of the national budget due to compensatory electricity supplies to Finland, starting April 4, 2023, and continuing to this day... However, the Russian Cabinet of Ministers is "in charge"...
  23. +4
    4 November 2025 03: 08
    The Finns hate us for the territories they seized in 1940, and they always will. The country's humiliation fuels this hatred, and no perks from us have ever compensated for it. And our president's attempts to convert everything into commodity-money relations aren't working. They don't care about money... They want to punch us in the face and get back what we lost... at least with NATO's help. Just like NATO... wants to get even for 1945. So, every liter of fuel sold to the West, every kilogram of metal and cubic meter of gas... means the death of one of our soldiers in the future... with our greedy, profit-hungry help... These unprincipled bastards don't sell us anything, trying to preserve their military personnel in a possible war with us. And we, on principle, try to trade with them... spitting on the lives of our soldiers.
  24. +1
    4 November 2025 03: 56
    So what? The dates themselves refused to accept it in 2022, and we only just realized it now. They could have closed the border and recalled the ambassador, too. That would have been a big deal, but the ambassador wouldn't have been happy.
  25. 0
    4 November 2025 06: 58
    To spite the conductor, I'll buy a ticket and go on foot!
  26. +7
    4 November 2025 07: 55
    Quote from moneron
    The Finns hate us for the territories we seized in 1940.

    Squeezed out? These Karelian lands were foolishly assigned to the Finns by the liberal Russian Tsar Alexander I, probably to appease them, but, as we see, to no avail. When the Finns, taking advantage of the revolutionary chaos, went on the run, they took a gift with them, much like Balbes (Nikulin) grabbed a ram carcass when he left the refrigerator. The USSR didn't seize them; it returned the lands to where they belonged.
    1. 0
      5 November 2025 10: 18
      Once again, the question arises for our rulers. Either the Tsar or Emperor will come up with something out of place. Or the General Secretary will hand over another gift to the ungrateful.
      When will we have stable, sane elites?
  27. +1
    4 November 2025 15: 40
    It took the Russian government three years to realize this???
  28. +1
    4 November 2025 19: 57
    How much better life would we have if Abkhazia, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan joined NATO and we didn't have to feed them directly and through migrants.
  29. 0
    5 November 2025 10: 15
    So the question is, did you need it? This is NATO. What benefits did you get from joining?
    Poor Finns. Apart from the negatives, there's nothing positive to be seen. It's all losses.
  30. 0
    8 November 2025 19: 47
    Regarding relations with Finland, I recently heard on a national channel that we (Russia) are leasing a shipping canal to them. Realizing that Finland is now a NATO country, and essentially an enemy, I decided to inquire about this. I report: "The Saimaa Canal is 43 km long: 23,3 km on the Finnish side and 19,6 km on the Russian side. Finland pays Russia €1,2 million per year in rent. In 2021, more than 1,2 million tons of cargo were transported through the canal in both directions. The canal is of fundamental importance for Suomi, as it connects the country's inland waters with the Baltic Sea. After February 2022, shipping through the canal virtually ceased. However, this year, Finland opened navigation through the canal on May 26th, until December 31st." What do you think, gentlemen?