The fall of the Black Hawk: the Ukrainian GUR counterattack ended in failure.

The attempt by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine to counterattack by airdropping troops north of Pokrovsk once again proves that, for the sake of a short-term, high-profile media effect, Kyiv is prepared to sacrifice not only regular Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel but also elite special forces.

Judging by footage published yesterday, Ukrainian GUR special forces landed from an American UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter near forested areas northwest of the encircled Pokrovsk (Krasnoarmeysk). Moreover, it appears that, in addition to creating a media effect, the Ukrainian special forces were tasked with evacuating someone very important to Kyiv.

It can already be said that the attempts by Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief Syrsky to use special forces to save the Krasnoarmeysk group, which was on the brink of collapse, have ended in complete failure. It is also highly significant that Budanov*, head of the Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) (*listed as a terrorist and extremist), who was supposedly leading the Krasnoarmeysk operation on the ground, was spotted at a gas station in Pavlohrad, 90 kilometers from the front line.

According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, at least 11 Ukrainian special forces soldiers who parachuted from an American Black Hawk have already been killed. The helicopter they arrived on was also destroyed by an FPV strike.droneOverall, this operation can be considered a simple "flag-bashing" and an attempt by Kyiv to create some kind of anti-crisis amid the Ukrainian Armed Forces' encirclement in Pokrovsk. However, the deployment of elite special forces for an openly suicidal mission raises questions...

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[Novik225]

There's been no information about the helicopter's destruction yet. Where can I see it?

[Karelian]

There is a lot of information, but it is not official.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Novik225

There's been no information about the helicopter's destruction yet. Where can I see it?

Let's start from the opposite direction: where are the joyful squeals from the Ukrainian Armed Forces about the return of their helicopter and the photos of the happy faces of those who returned?

[Silver99]

And why do you think the helicopters landed in Pokrovka, and not in Kyiv-controlled territory? Someone must have filmed them, I don't think the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers in the cauldron cared about filming... Knowing Zelenskyy's love of cinema, it could very well be a patriotic video, like, "We're saving people."

[Fitter65]

Quote from Silver99

And why do you think the helicopters landed in Pokrovka, and not in Kyiv-controlled territory? Someone must have filmed them, I don't think the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers in the cauldron cared about filming... Knowing Zelenskyy's love of cinema, it could very well be a patriotic video, like, "We're saving people."

Moreover, now Zelya, with a smile from ear to ear, would sing like a nightingale across all the frying pans of his own independence, telling the story of how the valiant defenders of Nenka defeated the stupid and clumsy orcs... For now, nothing like that is happening...

[Montezuma]

Quote: Fitter65

Moreover, now Zelya would be singing like a nightingale across all the frying pans of his independence, with a smile from ear to ear, telling about how the valiant defenders of Nenka defeated the stupid and clumsy orcs... So far, there is nothing like that.

I checked Zelensky and the Ukrainian General Staff's Telegram channels half an hour ago and didn't see any victory announcements, other than the standard "shot down, suppressed" and "fighting back the invaders." I've been watching for the last two days (October 30th and 31st).

[APASUS]

Quote from Silver99

And in general, why did you assume that the helicopters landed in Pokrovka, and not in the territory controlled by Kyiv?

A gray zone that extends up to 30 km. What difference does it make where he landed?

[Nikolai Redko]

As far as I understand, it was OUR OWN who filmed it!! But the question is, who is the rat that's on the Rothschilds' payroll at The Economist and leaked the landing video there?

[Jsem_CZEKO68]

Tváře se vrátí, ale budou ve zmrazeném stavu.

[Jsem_CZEKO68]

The faces will return, but they will be in a frozen state.

[Gunther]

So far, our Ministry of Defense has confirmed the reset of 11 pots. I hope they baked the helicopter and all its contents, and if the pilots are aliens, then it's a real treat.

[Rassamaha]

not enough
I watched a video of a helicopter landing and 11 or 12 people jumped out of one side.
that means they're wandering around somewhere for the same amount of time

[Terenin]

Quote: Rassamaha

not enough
I watched a video of a helicopter landing and 11 or 12 people jumped out of one side.
that means they're wandering around somewhere for the same amount of time

This is complete nonsense, from the Ukrainian Armed Forces. 11 people flew in to liberate Pokrovsk?

[bayard]

Quote: Terenin

11 people arrived to liberate Pokrovsk?

Most likely, this is an evacuation team for someone important. It didn't work out. I hope.
They also flew to Azovstal to evacuate, but they were unable to return.

[Grits]

Quote: bayard

They also flew to Azovstal to evacuate, but they were unable to return.

They flew to Azovstal on Mi-8s. These are Muscovite helicopters. Ineffective, unwieldy, slow, outdated, uncomfortable, and very unpatriotic. That's why the operation was so unsuccessful. Those cool American helicopters are a different story—beautiful, shiny, super-duper tricked out—all the Hollywood stars use them to take down the bad guys. That's why everything went smoothly—they flew back. Well, almost smoothly...

[bayard]

But all the users say that the MI-8 is better - bigger, faster, and has no equal in the mountains. They're probably lying.
By the time we got to Mariupol, it was already deep in the rear, and our soldiers had MANPADS. Now, they're going light, without armor, or even just using birds as weapons. And the lid on the cauldron is still thin, with holes in it.

[Terenin]

Quote: bayard

And the lid of the boiler is still thin, with holes.

Quote from lako

I don’t think that the main objective of this landing force was to break through the blockade.

It's clear that the Ukrainian Armed Forces wanted to give our Defense Ministry a hard time and show that they weren't surrounded. To draw parallels with this situation, a robber entered a bank, hid behind a table, but was immediately killed by security guards.
Is the robber successful or not?

[bayard]

Quote: Terenin

Is the robber successful or not?

Of course have They'll show it on the news.

[Terenin]

Quote: bayard

Quote: Terenin

Is the robber successful or not?

Of course have They'll show it on the news.

Spreading them the story about a "unique operation" is another matter.

[bayard]

Quote: Terenin

Spreading them the story about a "unique operation" is another matter.

And this is also a success. The 95th quarter rules.

[Terenin]

Quote: bayard

Quote: Terenin

Spreading them the story about a "unique operation" is another matter.

And this is also a success. The 95th quarter rules.

Of course. We need at least some success.

[bayard]

I just saw a report that a strike was carried out on Pavlograd, from where Budanov was directing the operation. It looks like a fuel train was hit—there's thick smoke over the city.

[Terenin]

Quote: bayard

I just saw a report that a strike was carried out on Pavlograd, from where Budanov was directing the operation. It looks like a fuel train was hit—there's thick smoke over the city.

We are already discussing this in the next thread.

[Ilya-spb]

The boy was on his way to success)))

12 of Zelik's friends were denazified.

The comment is short, I know.

[Lako]

I don't think the main objective of this landing force was to break the blockade. They were most likely trying to evacuate someone who really didn't want to die or be captured. Possibly Western "journalists."

[Naum_2]

Can we trust all the Ministry of Defense's reports? They depend on more than just the original source. Moreover, if the original source is trying to curry favor and receive an award, expect half-truths or worse. Let's wait and see what the various sources say.

[single-n]

This applies to both sides. You shouldn't trust them 100%.

[Limrak]

An FPV surveillance drone (of which thousands can be deployed) spotted enemy helicopters flying by... and, naturally, an ambush of attacking FPV drones awaited them at the landing zone. That's what 21st-century warfare is like.
Here are screenshots from a video of a Zhdun drone that filmed and detected enemy helicopters flying right next to it.

[Captain45]

If you want to watch a helicopter, watch Ridley Scott's "Black Hawk Down." It's a film, but it does a good job of showing the helicopter's fall and the situation. For a special forces story, watch "Tears of the Sun," starring Bruce Willis. Although they were filmed a quarter of a century ago, they are interesting... for the way they show the surrounding environment and the actions of the US soldiers... they are simply heroes...

[Captain45]

Quote: Novik225

There's been no information about the helicopter's destruction yet. Where can I see it?

If you want to watch a helicopter, watch Ridley Scott's "Black Hawk Down." It's a film, but it does a good job of showing the helicopter's fall and the situation. For a special forces story, watch "Tears of the Sun," starring Bruce Willis. Although they were filmed a quarter of a century ago, they are interesting... for the way they show the surrounding environment and the actions of the US soldiers... they are simply heroes...

[spyder100]

Nowhere. The helicopters have flown away.

[dmi.pris1]

Maxim died, and that's it. The result is predictable.

[Murmur 55]

Well, in the first videos of this operation, the helicopter departed under its own power. Let's wait and see if the video of the destruction is frozen somewhere. And it's unlikely that they evacuated it; they probably wanted to plant a flag again.

[Naum_2]

The flag could have been dropped, as ours have done repeatedly. No, it's more likely they wanted to pull out or remove those who knew too much.

[single-n]

You could plant a flag from a drone. Or just drop it into the helicopters. What's the point of a landing party?

[Dilettante grandfather]

We decided to play American commandos. We'd watched too many Hollywood cartoons... It's a shame Budanov didn't fly with the soldiers himself.
Satisfied with the destruction of the enemy!

[Vladlous]

It's certainly good that the helicopter was shot down. But, frankly, I'd de-emphasize the enemy's obsession with "media effects." Of course, that's true. But aren't we oversimplifying the enemy, making them seem utterly primitive?

Yes, it is what it is – bloody and a puppet war. However, we shouldn't forget that we've been fighting it for over three years now. Isn't that too much for mere "media effects"? Perhaps it's time to draw conclusions—and, frankly, it's long past time—and understand that one downed helicopter isn't a monumental victory, even if it's forged from dozens, even hundreds, of such destroyed aircraft.

This is in no way directed at our soldiers, God forbid, but rather at the understanding that traditionally portraying the enemy as a mere media figure is self-deception. The enemy is more than serious, and it's not just Ukraine.

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: Vladlous

This is in no way directed at our fighters, God forbid, but at the understanding that traditionally portraying the enemy as a simple media figure is deceiving ourselves.

How could it be otherwise if, for more than three years, not a single member of the Verkhovna Rada or government has been killed, and Zelensky himself calmly invites his sponsors to Kyiv and shows off his military facilities.

[Vladlous]

[And how could it be otherwise if, for more than three years, not a single deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, not a single member of the government has been killed, and Zelensky himself calmly invites his sponsors to Kyiv and shows military enterprises.

You've made some very pertinent, albeit obvious, points. Indeed, what kind of victory can we talk about if the enemy's leadership continues to do its own thing, rather than heading collectively to the graveyard? Unless, of course, that's the real leadership...

[single-n]

These deputies are stealing the budget in a way that none of our saboteurs can compare.

[spyder100]

Nothing was shot down and there was no information about the shootdown.

[Leonidych]

There were three helicopters. If they shot down one where the other two were, they either overslept or had nothing to shoot them down with.

[m4gsmags]

There's no information about three helicopters in any of the Telegram channels. Are you only claiming this in the article you posted here?

[lynnot]

There is no information about the three helicopters in any of the Telegram channels.

There was a video of two helicopters flying overhead, https://t.me/RVvoenkor/102930 Their full capacity, according to their performance characteristics, is about 20 people, which is not enough for a landing force for a counterattack.

[Captain45]

Quote: Lynnot

Their full capacity according to technical specifications is 20 people,

This is the load of our Mi-8, and the Yastreb takes, as I recall, 12 people, although I don’t know exactly about the current load of the Yastreb, I could be wrong.

[lynnot]

"Hawk" takes, as I recall, 12 people

I meant 20 on two. According to the technical specifications, one can carry 11 people, or 6 recumbent passengers.

[Captain45]

Quote: Lynnot

I meant 20 on two. According to the technical specifications, one can carry 11 people, or 6 recumbent passengers.

[Nastia makarova]

you weren't there)))) then I would have shot down all three

[Denissdaf]

In fact, there were ten helicopters. And Batman was sitting in one of them.

[Grits]

Quote: leonidych

I had to knock it down.

But what can we shoot them down with? Helicopters haven't flown along the front lines in a long time. They haven't even been seen on our side, let alone on the enemy's. That's why no one carries MANPADS anymore. It's a hassle; it's better to carry a spare ammo pack. Air defense isn't deployed at the frontline, either, but deep in the front, protecting the main forces and rear facilities. Ukrainians They got wind of this and realized that a low-altitude helicopter landing would be effective. And that's exactly what happened. The pilots accomplished their mission—landed the troops. As for what happened next, they're not interested—that's a matter for the operation planners.

[Andrey83]

Okay, that's good, but the landing force was still deployed... Yes, it was destroyed, but then on the ground... But the helicopter reached its destination and completed its mission.

[Terenin]

Quote: Andrey83

Okay, that's good, but the landing force was still deployed... Yes, it was destroyed, but then on the ground... But the helicopter reached its destination and completed its mission.

The front is like a living organism; there are ups and downs, and tactical surprises. You can't keep track of everything. Strategic actions are what matter.

[Siberia55]

...and completed the task.

And what task did he complete?
Well, yes, he drove the death row inmates to their execution. Whether he himself...is unknown, executed or not. What was the task he accomplished?

[Grits]

Quote: Siberia55

And what task did he complete?
Well, yes, he drove the death row inmates to their execution. Whether he himself...is unknown, executed or not. What was the task he accomplished?

That was the pilot's job: to bring the death row inmates to their execution. He accomplished it.

[Vadim S]

Everyone's writing and rejoicing about the wrong thing. Who were they trying to evacuate? That's the main question. Who's that NATO bigwig sitting there? They should take him and publicly interrogate him, without any kind of release to their homeland!

[sergey4791]

No, I would just let someone like that go back to his homeland, but in a black plastic bag.

[Captain45]

Quote: Vadim S

That's the main question. Who's that NATO bigwig sitting there? They should take him and publicly interrogate him.

Recently, near Odessa, Espanyola quietly took the Britons or shaved ones army spies... Everyone was talking about the capture, even showing their photos, and now...silence... Apparently they are working closely with them, quietly, that's why they don't make noise like their media.

[TermNachTer]

If what is on the video is true, then this is not a counterattack - it is . And the main ones stupid people - these are the ones in the video.

[Fan-fan]

Some strange videos.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Some strange videos.

Yes, the video is clear - it shows the liquidation of the enemy.
The purpose of these helicopters' mission is unclear. Surely it wasn't to simply dispatch a group to destroy it, risking the loss of a couple of helicopters.
Apparently, somewhere there really is a "fat NATO jerboa" sitting there, which this group was supposed to find and lead to a certain point, where a repeat flight would probably be carried out.

[Limrak]

the goal is to evacuate a fat lump...guess which country this lump is from?

[fuel oil]

What country is this big shot from? The United States, Britain, France??? Any high-ranking NATO officer could be.

[cpls22]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Apparently, somewhere there really is a "fat NATO jerboa" sitting there, which this group was supposed to find and lead to a certain point, where a repeat flight would probably be carried out.

Most likely, someone really was being dragged out of there, but it's odd that it was so loud. A helicopter, especially one like that, is a very attractive target. If there was an evacuation, then searching for the evacuee shouldn't have been a priority—an agreement on a place and time is essential, it's not Hollywood, after all. Perhaps the "fat little jerboa" was being transported, accompanied by all that noise, in some kind of light drone, along the riverbed, right above the water, or even in the water.

[Grits]

Quote from cpls22

A helicopter, and especially one like this, is a very juicy target.

The GUR simply doesn't have any other helicopter. When the Americans sent the Yastreby, the Ukrainian-Lama-like Hawks, Budanov immediately took them for himself. Now he's been ordered to carry out a certain operation, and these are the only helicopters available, no others.

[cpls22]

Quote: Gritsa

And the GUR simply doesn't have any other helicopter.

But this is no reason to risk it to plant a flag at the entrance to the city.
As a distraction, he's perfect. Whether they succeeded in their plan or not, we won't know anytime soon, because no one in their right mind would reveal plans that might still be useful. I'm assuming that the footage of the rout of this landing force didn't show anyone meeting those scheduled for evacuation. The operation itself, as an offensive, seems absurd. This means the evacuation was planned elsewhere, and without such a fuss.

[fuel oil]

https://vkvideo.ru/video-228568310_456273045?ref_domain=yastatic.net
A link from another thread by Comrade Beria. The pieces above are apparently from there.

[helilelik]

The helicopter apparently flew away.

[Grits]

Quote: helilelik

The helicopter apparently flew away.

I wonder where they're based? Can they be found and destroyed on the ground? I think they'll be using them often in these kinds of operations now that they've managed to slip out of harm's way. And at the same time, they'll be creating publicity for the American bird.

[helilelik]

I don't know what the goal of this operation was. Thirty special forces, even the most experienced ones, are unlikely to be of any help where five thousand can't cope. As for encirclement, that's doubtful, since three helicopters flew in and out without a hitch.

[mad-max78]

Russia reported the destruction of a helicopter, Ukraine reported the completion of its assigned tasks, all sides are satisfied. Where is the truth? Who knows.

[Montezuma]

Quote from: mad-max78

Ukraine reported on the fulfillment of its assigned tasks

And the Ukrainian General Staff is once again reporting that everything is fine in Krasnoarmeysk, the attacks are being successfully repelled, and the positions are being held. There is no reason to worry. Here's a quote from today's bulletin:

In the Pokrovsk direction, our defenders stopped 48 assault actions by the aggressor in the areas of the settlements of Nikanorovka, Rodinske, Krasny Liman, Mirnograd, Novoekonomicheskoe, Kotlino, Udachnoye, Molodetskoye, Dachnoye, Lysovka, Novopavlovka, Pokrovsk, Zverovo, Novoukrainka and in the direction of Grishino.

[Peter Yakovlev]

The special forces' mission was clear: break through the encirclement of Russian troops on the highway to Grishino. Perhaps even plant a flag at the entrance to the town. But whether the operation was poorly planned or because Budanov was personally in charge, the special forces were scattered in about 30 minutes by our FPV operators with thermal imagers.
And again, "Putin is to blame." If not for his call for the global media to visit the Pokrovsky and Kupyansk cauldrons, the GUR special forces would still be alive. And the prevailing narrative in the media would still be that there were no cauldrons, that Russian saboteurs were being chased around the cities. Ukraine denied permission for Western journalists in civilian clothes to visit the hot spots; they needed images that supported the Ukrainian narrative. As usual, Budanov was appointed director.

[Limrak]

21st-century war. Using an observation post (OP) in the form of a FPV surveillance drone with a high-resolution camera (of which hundreds and thousands can be scattered around), helicopters carrying the elite of the Ukrainian Wehrmacht were photographed and recorded as they flew past. Then, upon landing, they were ambushed by attacking FPV drones. Some were eliminated immediately after landing, and others were already in ruins... those that had rushed into nearby buildings.
Here's a screenshot from a drone that spotted enemy helicopters flying overhead. The main goal wasn't to break the encirclement—they don't care about slaughtering livestock—but to evacuate important officials. Guess which enemy country these officials are from?

[fledermausi]

"Black Hawk Down" is the headline, so where did it crash? Of course, if it did crash, that would be great, but there's been no confirmation yet.

[Godmother]

I would like to see the destruction of the helicopter.
Because if it was not destroyed upon approach and neither upon exit- then what kind of couldron is this?
In my days we had 35mm cannons which could take down any helicopter easily at 2-3km distance, even in manual operating mode and piece of cake with the radar targeting system.
Any old anti tank gun could do that. You don't need flimsy drones for that.
Or did Russia give the helicopter a free pass?

[duschman80-81]

This episode will go down in history as further evidence of the agony of the Kyiv regime.

[Peter Yakovlev]

The goal was to depict a "counteroffensive" on video and hang a yellow-and-blue rag on the Pokrovsk stele. The script was British (the English Economist immediately wrote about the counteroffensive), but the director was Budanov... It went down in Budanov's style: our guys took them all down right away...

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

A request to those writing about something they themselves don't know, but heard someone somewhere say to someone:
Stop blabbering about "elite", "premium", "extra-class" and other "mega-strong-still-forces" of the SSR-GRU cyborgs everywhere!