Military Review

What war are we preparing for? Opinion amateur

228
What war are we preparing for? Opinion amateurToday, not every day the media tells us about the horrors of future wars, which will be led by NATO, including against us with the help of combat unmanned attack weapons (drones). Some go further, talking about how the sixth generation aircraft will look like, which, as many people think, will also be unmanned ...


And we, as usual, lag behind. And everyone is terrified! Just take it and hang it. We do not have the fifth one yet, it’s just being tested, and here it’s already the sixth, albeit simply drawn. Fearfully! Everyone laments over this. Liberals - where, they say, with a pig's snout. Patriots are the same thing, but under a different slogan: about ... whether the country, and now there is nothing to fight! And self-intimidation is the brand of today.

And the worm sharpens me all - something reminds me of everything. Eighty-third, Reagan, SDI. In the absence of computer graphics at the time, an animation of how orbital platforms with nuclear-pumped lasers litter rockets with a sickle and hammer on the sides. The fact that they did not finish off the platform is famously hit by ground-based anti-missiles.

Intimidated to death, and together we rushed to do the same.

Evgeny Velikhov told how academicians persuaded the leadership of the country and the Armed Forces, that it was not necessary to do this, that technically it was impossible to accomplish this, and to make rockets and warheads less vulnerable ... But who listened to them - the decision was made at the very top, perform.

Gleb Evgenievich Lozino-Lozinsky urged: let's not repeat their shuttle, we will make the Buran in our own way, it will work out better and the experience has already been. He replied: do not be clever, do as the Americans, only more ...

And always the same - just more. Directly some kind of disease according to Freud.

Well, burst out. Of course, there were many reasons for the collapse of the country: the concocted collapse in oil prices, the war in Afghanistan, and a lot of things internal - from the betrayal of the elites to the madhouse in the economy. But our imitation of the American SDI played its foul role.

Now everyone knows everything and readily writes that they separated us then as children, that it was a bluff and nothing more. But what did this teach us?

This is our ineradicable desire to do as they have. There are not stupid people, and there is nothing to be clever. The main thing is the same, but only more.
I wonder where we would be in now aviationif the Sukhoi Design Bureau had not defended its SU-27 concept? Would make a copy of the F-15? We always had enough fools, but we did not learn to believe our specialists. A stranger - yes, his own - no. And this trouble is not today's, but very old - decisions are usually made by those who have a very distant idea of ​​the essence of the problem. This is not only our problem, but how bad they are there - I am not very interested.

Notice, we are ahead of the rest, only where we did not catch up, but did it our own way. Now we are proud, and how many heart attacks this pride cost the chief designers, when they defended it, we don’t remember or don’t want to remember.

I am not an armament specialist or a military man. From the point of view of the latter - an amateur. I am a design engineer who, by necessity, has also become a manager in order to engage in the development and production of engineering products. I just suggest connecting logic and nothing else. Maybe my judgments are controversial - do not judge strictly.

So, the drone is a remote-controlled aircraft. The most famous examples are the American Predator and Raptor. These are the most common multifunctional droids that perform intelligence, target designation, and combat missions. The first is more reconnaissance, the second is more combat, and is generally similar. The maximum altitude is 10 and 15 km. Speed ​​- 150 - 200 km / h. Barrage time - 24 - 36 hours.

Pros: 1) remote control, operator security; 2) low weight and size; 3) the ability to be in the air for a long time; 4) relatively low cost; 5) can be used without prepared runway and expensive infrastructure.

Cons: 1) remote control, that is, the possibility of losing the car when the enemy interferes or intercepts the control; 2) low speed as payment for the possibility of a long stay in the air and as a result - the inability to resist manned fighter jets; 3) low maneuverability and speed of response to changes in the situation - the camera can not replace the pilot, especially in close combat: turning your head and the camera is not the same thing; 4) high range only when controlled via satellite; 5) the inability to resist air defense systems and move away from them.

conclusions. First - drones are needed and in large quantities. Aerial photographs, including the battlefield, target highlighting in a local conflict (somewhere in Africa or Southeast Asia; it’s not very clear what we should do there, but that’s another question) to search for a caravan of drugs coming from Afghanistan to Tajikistan ... But these are not combat vehicles and not for the army. But where combat operations are really necessary, it is to carry out counter-terrorist operations - when you have to hang in the air for several hours and wait for the appearance of a single vehicle to launch a rocket ... But this is also not for the army. For the army - this is the intelligence of the battlefield. And even then - small inconspicuous devices, which are not paid attention to on the radar screen. And the loss of such a device will not be significant.

This suggests a second conclusion: these “toys” were not created at all for us. More precisely, for us, if we became the recruitment of the Voronezh, Ryazan and Tomsk republics. Here you are welcome to get a drone strike or, at worst, “Tomahawk”. Just at some stage, as a state, we have already been written off and thought it was a matter of time. But this has nothing to do with a possible conflict between Russia and NATO.
Yes, it should be recognized that it is necessary to work in this direction and, perhaps, the time will come when the planes will become completely unmanned. But all this is required only for a war with a deliberately weak opponent who cannot deliver a massive blow to the territory of the attacking side. weapons mass destruction. Or, more importantly, it all makes sense if the liberal march across the planet eventually leads to the elimination of states and their replacement by corporations, which will solve their local problems in this way. And only lightly armed rebels will be able to answer them. But this is from the field of politics and has nothing to do with the armed forces.

There is no need to go far for examples. When all NATO piled on a small, defenseless Yugoslavia, the Serbs with the help of microwaves induced F-117 to the false targets and beat them down with the 125-based air defense missile system, created in the 1961 year.

Europe used drones for the suppression of Libya - even Gaddafi was calculated using them. But all this only after the Libyan air defense ceased to exist. At the same time, Europe, in the framework of the operation in Libya, spent almost the entire stock of Tomahawks. And this is all for Libya, 90% of which is desert, and everything interesting for bombs is concentrated on the shores of the Mediterranean. At the end of the operation, freedom-loving Europoids rushed in to replenish stocks in the US and ... received an invoice for prepayment.

Unmanned combat systems, cruise missiles, precision bombs were created to fight countries that lack or weak air defense systems. A Turkish reconnaissance aircraft shot down by Syria is an example. And he, as it turned out, was covered with Shilka, with a range of 2,5 kilometers. So even for Iran or North Korea, such an adventure is already risky to start (although there is a desire). And for China or Russia, this is generally from the realm of fantasy. And it's not even a nuclear, chemical or bacteriological weapon ...

An armed conflict between NATO and Russia cannot be launched as a humanitarian mission to change the “bloody Putin regime.” This can only be a full-scale war with an attempt to destroy Russia as a state, with tens of millions of victims of our citizens and the same victims from the opposite side. NATO must be ready for tens or even hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers in the very first days of the war. The attacking side of the soldiers must have several million, no less. Several hundred thousand professional military men are not counted, they will be the first, and millions of reservists are needed. What kind of reservists there are now - everyone knows, although we should also think about the quality of ours.

As for drones, it is not technically very difficult to install radio interference and blocking control and we need to develop these capabilities. Everybody has a promising American drone captured by Iran. They say it was not without our “Avtobaz” (always loved the names of our military equipment). Avtobaz itself could not do this, it is not meant for that, but it’s probably to participate ...

Then why all these horror stories? In my opinion, then, to distract from the main thing. The Achilles heel of all these systems, as well as the entire modern, especially the NATO army, is a high-precision guidance system. In short, near-earth space. And all the possibilities are for someone who can afford to have a large satellite constellation and use it for global positioning, intelligence, etc.

This means that the reason is not in unmanned killers, but in systems that allow them to be remotely controlled and aimed at a target. And not the one who will use high-precision weapons will win, but the one who can quickly and guaranteedly destroy the satellite grouping of the enemy - without it, all these systems turn into a pile of metal (I vaguely imagine the B-2 pilots with a paper map in their hands).

For this purpose, you can create miniature spacecraft that will quietly stick to the enemy’s satellites and control their work, and at the right moment to undermine them. This is from a series of expensive exotic. But you can stupidly, at the right moment, undermine the containers with small steel balls, which at 16 speed in kilometers per second, will sweep away everything, without discerning where their own and where others are. The Chinese draw is neither us nor you. When it comes to the existence of the state, sentiment can be left.

And I will not make a big discovery, saying that in this case the advantage will be on our side. We have such a large number of unguided missiles and multiple launch rocket launchers, as well as tanks T-72 without satellite lotions. This is our officers learning to go to the point of concentration on the map in the tablet. And not in that tablet with a bitten apple, but on a paper card in a leather tablet. We still have in our warehouses coils for wire communication, etc.

That somehow - do not judge strictly amateur.

What am I doing all about? And the fact that everything needs to know when to stop. Americans can play F-35, spend huge amounts of money and abandon the Comanche project, use the B-2 cost per aircraft carrier and unable to carry cruise missiles. It is possible for them, but we must think and listen with our head, who with this head can create what is called an adequate response. Adequate not by the number of investments, but by the effect obtained.

After exchanging the “lists”, whether someone likes it or not, we re-enter the Cold War era (everyone already understood this). The cold war involves a hot phase of confrontation. We need a modern army, but let's approach this wisely. Let's rely on scientists and engineers, on real officers and generals. Let's create the scientific, engineering and military elite again. And in any case, do not try to repeat the decisions of others. We must remember that not all of these decisions are true. And after all, and without pants to stay long.
Author:
Originator:
http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_25322/
228 comments
Ad

Our projects are looking for authors in the news and analytical departments. Requirements for applicants: literacy, responsibility, efficiency, inexhaustible creative energy, experience in copywriting or journalism, the ability to quickly analyze text and check facts, write concisely and interestingly on political and economic topics. The work is paid. Contact: [email protected]

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. fenix57
    fenix57 April 26 2013 05: 28 New
    60
    Article ++. In my MORE amateurish view, the logic in the article I read however is present. yes But to what conclusion our Kremlin analytical departments will come (or have come) on this issue is not aware. what
    1. Bykov.
      Bykov. April 26 2013 07: 04 New
      10
      Quote: fenix57
      ... But what kind of conclusion our Kremlin analytical departments will come to (or have arrived) on this issue is not known ...

      It's not bad, you and I, people sit and work in the analytical departments, they see and understand everything perfectly,
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco April 26 2013 07: 59 New
        37
        Quote: Bulls.
        It's not bad, you and I, people sit and work in the analytical departments, they see and understand everything perfectly,

        I would say that these are not only in the analytical departments. !!! Here is an example for you in the person of Fomin Vladimir. Who told us about something that many thought about. But they did not say, and did not publish. The topic raised is very relevant and topical. Everything really looks like in the case of SDI. A couple of years ago, drove into the taiga, wander))) I felt the charm of the failure of the ZhPS signal (it was the signal that was missing for 2.5 hours) I had to get nervous, ZhPS sent it one way to the other. Stepping out to the car, he turned on the automobile ZhPS, the situation is the same. So if I didn’t know the area, and relied on ZhPSU, I would have wandered for a long time. So I will say this. Not all that glitters is gold.
        1. patline
          patline April 26 2013 08: 16 New
          22
          Undermining a nuclear charge in near-Earth orbit, and that’s all - there are no satellites.
          But you can try to do it more beautifully, namely, if you can take control of drones, then why not try to reprogram the satellites?
          1. Kolya
            Kolya April 26 2013 09: 14 New
            18
            If a person is not present, it means that no one's thing flies. For this, you can practice firing on UAVs in peacetime ... well, and be surprised if suddenly there is a displeased owner.
          2. opkozak
            opkozak April 28 2013 01: 54 New
            +9
            take control of drones


            Yes, and you can just shoot them down
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 April 26 2013 15: 11 New
          15
          What are you doing ?! Well, why? Why go to the forest with this piece of iron? A person is able to clearly navigate even in a completely unfamiliar area, at least relative to the point from which he entered it. No superpowers are needed for this, everyone can do it. Just train yourself to check where your car is.
          Where is he now? And in ten minutes? So "ask" yourself, walking in any unfamiliar area, in the forest and in the city. The feeling of a reference point will quickly become permanent, you can call it at will. Why should he cut his own legs and voluntarily change his own skill to a prosthesis?
          1. SIT
            SIT April 26 2013 17: 24 New
            +6
            Quote: Mikhail3
            A person is able to clearly navigate even in a completely unfamiliar area, at least relative to the point from which he entered it. No superpowers are needed for this, everyone can do it. Just train yourself to check where your car is.

            After parachuting at night in a continuous forest with 3-level vegetation, you are unlikely to be able to immediately orient yourself if you do not drive someone else up a tree with 3rd generation GPS. If there is no GPS, then there is only all hope for the navigator of the transporter. If he correctly calculated the place of discharge, then go to the river or road marked on his and his map in advance taking with a margin in any direction, so that later, when you reach the landmark, you need to know exactly what to go downstream or to the left (right ) on the way to.
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 April 26 2013 21: 44 New
              +9
              Will succeed. Us, 14 summer boys, father drove into the forest, each time in a new place. And we went mushrooming, going out on the road somewhere in 15 kilometers from the point of "ejection". Moreover, they decided in advance which road and in which place we would go out without worrying about an unfamiliar path through the forest. Often, our father did not pick us up, we either went home ourselves (30 km - this was not a problem), or waited for a ride. I got older - I learned better ...
              Of course, when it comes to the performance of a combat mission, all available means should be used. But it is EVERYTHING. Because technology breaks down much more often than a real person. If ZhPSi orders to go to the left, and the chuyka drags to the right - believe yourself. How many times checked ...
              1. SIT
                SIT April 27 2013 18: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: Mikhail3
                If ZhPSi orders to go to the left, and the chuyka drags to the right - believe yourself.

                Did you jump into an unfamiliar area at night? And ZhPSi does not order anything. It simply provides a position point in a field tablet, into which a satellite image is loaded onto a digital terrain model. You see your position with an accuracy of 5m and imagine what kind of relief is around. In total darkness in the rain, this is no substitute for a cocktail. Chuyka works there already during the movement. The tablet by the way perfectly shows if it is put into the water by 30 cm. And it’s also convenient to chop nuts with its screen. He put the nut on a stump, on top of the tablet and crouched lightly on this matter, so that the nut would only crack, and not be smeared.
                1. Suvorov000
                  Suvorov000 April 30 2013 13: 04 New
                  +1
                  And how did they jump into unfamiliar terrain in the Second World War at night and how did they navigate, I don’t even know I probably used the compass, there’s such an interesting little thing))) nobody reduces the benefits of the ZhPS, you just need to be able to move without it, hope for God and don’t hesitate heard this). Your ZhPS is the very first thing that will fail in the event of a real war, and how often do you see a tablet with a simple soldier, and do what you recharge. I never wondered why our art guides are still forced to calculate not only without a computer, but without a calculator. Westerners do not even think of this as barbarism) consider the Neanderthal)) the distance to the object is calculated with the help of a carnation and a rope and the mind and that is typical))) the range finder such a hedgehog then shows the distance))
            2. IRBIS
              IRBIS April 30 2013 15: 12 New
              0
              Quote: SIT
              parachute night landing in a continuous forest with 3x longline vegetation

              Well, this is only if someone decided to simply kill the paratroopers immediately, so as not to suffer. To such idiocy a rare nerd guess.
              The circular error when landing is not very big. The navigator, before the release, warns of the direction and speed of the wind. To calculate the direction and distance of a possible deviation is a task for the paratrooper of the first year of service. I myself made jumps at night, though not as wild as you described and calmly navigated to the landing site without any lotions, like the “GPS of the 3 generation” and without fermentation in the search for rivers or roads. Just before completing the task it is necessary to carefully study the map, and even better to figure out a semblance of the layout of the terrain so that each fighter understands.
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 26 2013 18: 14 New
            +1
            I don’t think that you can clearly navigate with the required accuracy of 15 meters
          3. Snake4
            Snake4 April 26 2013 18: 16 New
            0
            Michael, can you elaborate more?
            There are only echoes of use, but I have never met training methods anywhere
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 April 26 2013 21: 54 New
              +9
              Have you met the method of throwing knives? Everywhere it is simply said - the knife must make one revolution. Regardless of the distance. Or do not make a turn at all (a bad method for my taste, an effective throw no more than 1,5, easier to beat than to throw). Why is that? Because to master a skill you just need to know firmly - it is possible. And demand a result from yourself! It will turn out without options.
              Do you know why bikers are so healthy? Because the bike weighs as much as it weighs. And falling, it must be raised. And you can’t turn it around with smoke, it’s not Hollywood tea, on the third turn you will tear the rubber to the cord. So the handle-legs ... I know girls weighing 55 kilograms who lift their Tourers off the ground that weigh 250-270. And nothing cope ...
              The whole "secret" is that it is possible, and with due desire you will do it.
              1. Snake4
                Snake4 24 May 2013 18: 26 New
                0
                Makhail, I asked you about a specific method, and not about a lecture of the Knowledge Society. All you need is obtained.
                By the way, the knife can make several revolutions, the main thing is to calculate the distance and know your own style, half a turn can go 1-3 meters for each in his own way. further than 10 meters you do not throw 1 revolution in any way, arithmetic, eye and division.
                Raising a bike is even easier - the technique as a counterweight, we know, went through.
      2. vilenich
        vilenich April 26 2013 08: 07 New
        23
        Quote: Bulls.
        It's not bad, you and I, people sit and work in the analytical departments, they see and understand everything perfectly,

        This is not enough, it is also necessary for the guys with stripes on their pants not to chase expensive projects in the hope of sawing off a piece of budget money for their summer cottage, but they will really get down to protecting the homeland!
      3. svp67
        svp67 April 26 2013 08: 59 New
        +7
        Quote: Bulls.
        It's not bad, you and I, people sit and work in the analytical departments, they see and understand everything perfectly,

        Alas, if everything and everything depended on these "people", but it depends on others, on those who draw conclusions based on these analyzes, and even more on those who decide which analysis should be shown and which not ... All very subjective ... and unfortunately the human factor is very mixed in this process. In short, it all depends on the person, it is both pleasing and scary. It is pleasing and frightening that people can make mistakes or they are afraid - on the example of our country before the Second World War, when the general group of German troops was overestimated in terms of equipping tanks and aircraft, when they watched the "filling" of this army with warm things and winter weapon grease in fundamentally not understanding the Blitzkrieg doctrine, when, simply because of fear, they didn’t show data on the movement of troops, trying not to go against the opinion of Stalin, and that with adequate and strong leadership, you can organize and find ways to win, and then purposefully them isp lnyat and win in the end ...
      4. German
        German April 26 2013 12: 38 New
        +2
        about worse or not ... this is also an interesting question!
      5. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 26 2013 14: 59 New
        +3
        That's just ... they still see (and understand perfectly) a huge chunk of money. Which can be obtained on a "topic" such as "an armada of military drones, invincible and legendary." One has only to admit this Panama is real ... drank and drank. And around wise our wise and completely disinterested officials ...
      6. yak69
        yak69 April 26 2013 15: 46 New
        10
        Quote: Bulls.
        It's not bad, you and I, people sit and work in the analytical departments, they see and understand everything perfectly,

        So it’s so, yes, one BUT. It is worth putting one redhead or another of the same to control these people and that's it, Khan! They put a stool in the army to steer, so we weren’t left without a sun. A traitor (saboteur, zalanets) - this is the most effective and not expensive weapon that destroys everything in its path to the nines.
        And again, absolute efficiency - for those who introduce it, it costs almost nothing, but for the enemy, complete ruin!
        I propose to introduce a stool in the chiefs of NATO or the Amer’s army. From these pido ... owls some footcloths will remain.
        Change the stool to Victor Bout!
        1. iliq
          iliq April 26 2013 15: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: yak69
          They put a stool in the army to steer, so we weren’t left without a sun. A traitor (saboteur, zalanets) - this is the most effective and not expensive weapon that destroys everything in its path to the nines.

          tell me, who put the "traitor" on this post?
          1. yak69
            yak69 April 26 2013 22: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: iliq
            tell me, who put the "traitor" on this post?

            For God's sake, just do not ask this question to fans of the Main!
            It is dangerous, can bite.
            After being bitten, you run the risk of becoming his fan.
            hi
        2. max702
          max702 April 26 2013 22: 59 New
          +2
          Exactly Kudrina as the finance ministers and Chubika in their department of development and implementation of everything new, it's MEGA experts !!!
          Especially according to the arguments of the local sources .. Toko, these valuable shots work behind the lines of a potential enemy .. that is, with us ..
      7. Cheloveck
        Cheloveck April 27 2013 00: 30 New
        0
        It is understandable that, theoretically, it is not worse, but the trouble is that these analysts work on orders, hmm ...
    2. NKVD
      NKVD April 26 2013 11: 01 New
      10
      Amerikosov and "5" generation does not fly, and they already tryndat about 6 generation ... laughing
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. April 26 2013 11: 13 New
        +9
        Quote: NKVD
        ... The Americans and the "5" generation do not fly, but they are already trying on the 6 generation ...

        ... IMAGE, EVERYTHING !!!
        The main thing is to tryndet more, about your technical superiority ...
    3. Army1
      Army1 April 26 2013 14: 03 New
      11
      Normal article, without any kapets or tear all of us. And here is the infor. the war is going on against us friends. Who comes to us with M16 will die from AK 74.
    4. Alexey K.
      Alexey K. April 26 2013 21: 58 New
      +1
      Everything new is well forgotten old.
      Recall the Germans near Moscow - sort of motorized. the modern army, and how frost hit the whole equipment and became a stake) And the most important weapon that we have is a simple RUSSIAN SOLDIER who will defend the Fatherland without sparing his stomach and in spite of any obstacles and difficulties.
      1. Skuto
        Skuto April 27 2013 01: 05 New
        +1
        It is rather a consequence of the underestimation of the enemy. The Wehrmacht seriously hoped for the 2-3 of the month to end the war in the worst cases before the first frosts. Hence the disadvantage of the advanced parts of winter uniforms and winter fuel and lubricants.

        Now the enemy can take these moments into account and, for example, start to bomb the dachas of officials and oligarchs (I’m exaggerating, of course smile ), with the tacit approval of a significant part of the people. Although both the French and Germans came with the official program: We will free the common people from the fool of the autocrat or the Jewish commissars, but they always got a bummer with a note: “maybe it’s ha * but, but it is our ha * but, and you go along the forest”
    5. Val_y
      Val_y April 29 2013 11: 24 New
      +1
      The paradox is that there is a new, modern word "mastered" laughing Now, if there was feedback, in the implementation of any idea, there would be criminal liability (well, in an extreme case, “Faberge” at the door laughing would have thought. But I think that everything will be all the same good
  2. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 26 2013 05: 30 New
    48
    They are diligently trying to convince us that in the 21st century everyone will fight exclusively with small professional armies with the wide use of precision and unmanned weapons. There is only one question: if they deploy a couple of classic tank armies against them, what will they do - scream that now no one is fighting? wassat
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 05: 40 New
      26
      Quote: Ruslan67
      They are trying hard to convince us that in the 21st century everyone will fight exclusively with small professional armies

      Yeah, and so we urgently put new Poplars and Yarses on the database what Well, in principle, yes, a lot of people will not need laughing
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 April 26 2013 05: 47 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        many people do not need laughing

        Your optimism rolls over today good Unlike my pessimism sad wassat
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 06: 03 New
          16
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Your optimism rolls over today

          So the title of the article is What kind of warrior are we preparing for? There is no need to be a professional. To understand ........... it smells like radioactive kerosene laughing
          They are with us with drones, and we will sow them with Poplars. All honestly wassat
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 April 26 2013 06: 06 New
            17
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            , and we sow them with Poplars.

            Poplar fluff and all P .... c Nights are so lunar bully
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 06: 14 New
              19
              Quote: Ruslan67

              Poplar fluff and all P .... c Nights are so lunar

              Well yes laughing
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 April 26 2013 06: 18 New
                14
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Well yes

                But we just need to immediately clarify what we will ship to what will remain from America - In a blue wagon or in a blue g .... n? what And do you understand that different departments have disagreements on this issue? wassat
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 06: 38 New
                  13
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  And do you understand that different departments have disagreements on this issue?

                  That's all. What remains of the Pentagon, and where to load it, well, figure it out for yourself. We wash our hands laughing
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 April 26 2013 06: 42 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    , and where to load it, well, sort it out yourself. We wash our hands

                    Sasha won't do that negative This is already from the series -A aunt sofa lie down and give a plan wassat Together Poplar Fluff! Together and decide how to dispose of waste bully
                    1. bask
                      bask April 26 2013 07: 34 New
                      11
                      What war are we preparing for? Opinion amateur

                      An article about UAVs (reconnaissance and strike). Or about the army of the Russian Federation ,, TO WHICH WAR THE ARMY IS PREPARING. ,,,
                      Answering questions yesterday, the president said that the army was ready to repel any aggression from outside. Russia's nuclear potential allows us to hope that this is so.
                      But what to do with the ground forces, airborne forces, marines. The troops are almost completely lacking modern armored vehicles. And the rate of its entry into the troops of 7 units per year is a mockery of a great country.
                      Everyone hopes that there will be new armored vehicles. But it will appear in the troops no earlier than 20 years.
                      Upgraded armored vehicles are carried out, without taking into account modern threats, in the cheapest version.
                      Production continues, BTR80 / 82 without mine protection.
                      The Republic of Armenia is ready for a nuclear conflict. It’s not ready for an asymmetric war against terrorists. There is a war in Syria, we don’t take into account the experience of this war. We are not even planning to buy SMRAP ,, Typhoons ,, and SMP-2013 ,, Bear, in 3, .After all, the explosions in the S. Caucasus, and attacks on military personnel and the Ministry of Internal Affairs continue.
                      In the event of a local conflict or war with terrorists, the ground forces and airborne forces will again suffer heavy losses.
                      1. tan0472
                        tan0472 April 26 2013 09: 37 New
                        +7
                        Quote: bask
                        But what to do with the ground forces, airborne forces, marines. The troops are almost completely lacking modern armored vehicles. And the rate of its entry into the troops of 7 units per year is a mockery of a great country.

                        New technology is certainly important. But, in my opinion, the most important is the ability to use this technique and the interaction of troops. In 1941, the T-34s were the best tanks, but that did not help us. And the interaction was not at the highest (to put it mildly) level. So even with the current ("backward") equipment, there is room for the Russian army to grow and develop. No?
                        I don’t know, maybe you know how many shots our soldier makes from a machine gun (for the whole time of service) and how many shots of soldiers of a “potential enemy”?
                      2. bask
                        bask April 26 2013 16: 52 New
                        +4
                        Quote: tan0472
                        was not at the highest (to put it mildly) level. So even with the current ("backward") technology, there is much to grow

                        Russia has modern weapons. T-90MS, MPAP ,, Ural ,, KamAZ ,,
                        BMD-4M ,,, Octopus-D ,, self-propelled guns, VIENNA, BMP-3M, BMP-3F. They can and should be upgraded by strengthening mine protection, modern, thermal imagers, SLAs, KAZ, DZ. And most importantly, the volume of rearmament be not a minority of 500 units of armored vehicles for various purposes per year MINIMUM !!!
                        Adoption of the BMP / BTR-T ((heavy))

                        PERSPECTIVE ARMORED EQUIPMENT; MODULARITY OF DESIGN ON WHEEL AND TRACKED STROKE. WITH UNIFICATION OF NODES AND UNITS NOT 80-%
                      3. Skuto
                        Skuto April 27 2013 01: 20 New
                        +3
                        For the most part, what you called this is a further variation in the development of the Soviet legacy. Yes, of course, the equipment is excellent and can withstand the modern realities of war. However, it does not have a high-quality separation, as is permissible between jet and piston aircraft. They took the Ministry of Defense and bought Tagil MS in the 5000 T-90 troops, everyone is happy. However, the machine retained many of the shortcomings of the T-72, just the designers carefully leveled them, covered them. At the same time, it was possible to bring a certain amount of t-72 by modernization to a completely acceptable level, and later on to purchase Armata tanks themselves (God forbid).

                        It is just necessary to carry out a very skillful gradation of what is needed now and what can be tolerated until better times. It’s like civilization in the game: you can now create a huge number of knights and capture the whole world through long wars, or you can wait to develop science and crush everyone with one tank.
                    2. Setrac
                      Setrac April 26 2013 20: 57 New
                      0
                      Quote: tan0472
                      In 1941, the T-34s were the best tanks, but that did not help us.

                      Enough to push through these myths. In the 41st T-34 was a crude, unprepared machine, the USSR fought light tanks for two years, until the medium and heavy ones were brought to mind.
                  2. SIT
                    SIT April 26 2013 17: 35 New
                    +9
                    Quote: bask
                    But what to do with the ground forces, airborne forces, marines. The troops practically completely lack modern armored vehicles.

                    The President announced that there will be an increased tax on expensive cars. Replace the monetary form of this tax with a natural one. I bought myself a Ferrari - buy a BMP3 for the country, bought Maybach, which means you won't get poorer from BMD4. Steep cars do not give out of the cabin until in part the acceptance certificate of the combat vehicle is signed.
                  3. botur
                    botur April 26 2013 22: 26 New
                    0
                    Quote: SIT
                    Replace the monetary form of this tax with a natural one. Bought a Ferrari - buy a BMP3 country

                    yes
              2. kostyan77708
                kostyan77708 April 26 2013 08: 24 New
                +4
                and what to decide, we will fertilize the soil) this is to the fact "Together and decide how to dispose of waste"
            2. STIMUS94
              STIMUS94 April 30 2013 18: 34 New
              0
              Ahaha, yes. That's for sure)
        2. smile
          smile April 26 2013 19: 52 New
          +1
          Alexander Romanov
          Thank!!!! He laughed, aszhnik struck on the trail. :)))))
        3. Zmey_2Garin
          Zmey_2Garin April 26 2013 22: 08 New
          +7
          Slowly rockets float away
          Meet them, Mr. Reagan, wait.
          And although America is a little sorry, the Japs have it ahead.
          Maybe we offended someone in vain,
          slapping a couple of extra megatons,
          look how fun the earth is boiling there
          where was the Pentagon once ...
          Tablecloth, tablecloth, binary gas spreads and rests against my gas mask.
          Every commando believes in the best,
          maybe someone will survive of us ...
          A nuclear fungus is standing, swinging,
          resting right in the sky ...
          The tanks of Germany, like candles, are melting,
          to hell they let the factory ...

          PS: Classic - she’s not getting old at all!
    2. hrych
      hrych April 26 2013 07: 33 New
      +7
      Well, Alexander, Poplar is a kind of drone, so really everything is fair.
    3. Kaa
      Kaa April 26 2013 13: 20 New
      +9
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      They are with us with drones, and we will sow them with Poplars. All honestly
      They are with us at AUG - and now the Legend targeting system is ready for replacement: "In 2013, Roscosmos and the Russian Ministry of Defense will complete the creation of the latest Russian satellite intelligence system Liana in orbit. It will consist of four latest radar reconnaissance satellites, which They will be based at an altitude of about 1 thousand km above the planet’s surface and will constantly scan land, air and sea space for the presence of enemy targets.
      “The four satellites of the Liana system - two“ Peonies ”and two“ Lotus ”- will in real time detect enemy objects - airplanes, ships, cars. The coordinates of these goals will be transferred to the command post, where a virtual real-time map will be generated. In case of war, high-precision strikes will be delivered at these facilities, "the representative of the General Staff explained the principle of the system." The first satellite, Lotus-S, with index 14F138, had a number of drawbacks. After putting into orbit, it turned out that almost half of the on-board systems did not function. Therefore, we demanded that the developers bring the equipment to mind, "said the representative of the Space Forces, which are now included in the Aerospace Defense. At one of the enterprises that participated in the development of the Lotus satellite, they explained that all the satellite’s shortcomings were due to shortcomings in satellite software. “Our programmers have completely redesigned the software package and have already reflashed the first Lotus. Now the military has no complaints against him, ”the Izvestia source said.
      According to him, two more satellites for the Liana system will be launched into orbit before the end of 2013 - one Lotus-S 14F145, which will intercept data communications, including enemy communications (radio intelligence), and a promising radar reconnaissance satellite "Peony-NKS" 14F139, which will be able to detect an object the size of a car on any surface. The development of "Peony" will be completed at the end of 2013. However, Liana will be able to start working without it. Until 2015, another “Peony” will be included in Liana, thus, the size of the system constellation will expand to four satellites. After entering the calculation mode, the Liana system will completely replace the outdated Legend - Tselina system, built back in Soviet times, which ceased to function in 2008 due to the development of satellite resources. According to Igor Lisov, columnist for the specialized publication Cosmonautics News, the Liana system will increase the capabilities of the Russian Armed Forces several times to detect and destroy enemy targets. "After the Legends was decommissioned, the Ministry of Defense had a great need for surveillance and target designation. Now the Liana system will be able to satisfy it. "Legend" was created for a narrow task - tracking American warships, in particular aircraft carriers. Its radars could detect objects several tens of meters long. “Liana, on the other hand, solves a wider range of tasks and can detect small targets,” Igor Lisov explained. At present, according to Jane, the Russian orbital constellation consists of six spacecraft (SC) of radar reconnaissance (2 - 11F688 and 4 - 17F688), six Tselina radio-intelligence reconnaissance spacecraft and about three dozen photo intelligence and optoelectronic reconnaissance spacecraft of the Araks system. Http://army-news.ru/2012/09/sputnikovaya-razvedka-liana-zarabotae
      tv-201
  3. German
    German April 26 2013 12: 44 New
    0
    the difference between O. and P. is that P. is a well-informed O. wassat
  • zvereok
    zvereok April 26 2013 10: 38 New
    +6
    Drones will come in handy both against the Papuans and in the occupied territories against the Partisans, IHMO in the US Army - their main purpose in this. Yes, and in the Navy, also fit for Borders. In addition, they can be set against infrastructure as the first wave, flew in, fired a rocket at that point and come back if you can. And the second wave of air defense targets destroys.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 26 2013 15: 16 New
    12
    They always do that. I mean, they scream that the wrong Russians are fighting wrong. So they pick up their knocked out teeth in a hut and scream. And they moan, whine and cry.
    If it were not for our horde of traitors, who carefully converts the miserable groan of loser fools into a “victorious march of the civilized West”, which again “the silver-footed Russians filled up with meat” (and then they raped everyone, including concrete bunkers. Six times) ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 26 2013 15: 21 New
      +4
      About concrete pillboxes is 5 !!! good
      1. puskarinkis
        puskarinkis April 26 2013 23: 16 New
        0
        six said ... wassat
    2. ZhuDkiyDrugg
      ZhuDkiyDrugg 1 May 2013 13: 13 New
      +1
      1 megatons set good
  • 4fedor1
    4fedor1 April 26 2013 05: 31 New
    0
    yes completely for. you have to live your mind.
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 April 26 2013 05: 42 New
    12
    No one will replace a person, at least in the next hundred years, especially in the army. In the article, everything is logical and correct.
  • Belogor
    Belogor April 26 2013 05: 47 New
    +7
    Very reasonable arguments of the author, as A. Suvorov used to say, "To fight not by numbers, but by skill." There is a counterargument to every opponent’s argument.
  • Tartary
    Tartary April 26 2013 06: 01 New
    +5
    Now everyone knows everything and readily writes that they separated us then as children, that it was a bluff and nothing more. But what did this teach us?

    This author wrote about SOI ...

    I will not dispute his conclusion about this SDI, but I want to remind myself and tell you the situation that occurred in 1976, which I witnessed, and the consequences were discussed by the direct participants for a long, long time ...

    So, the summer of 1976 ... On one Sunday, my parents gathered guests at home when an unusual storm occurred in the afternoon - a very strange cloud cover the sun, a gale of wind came in and a deep evening fell on the street. Then everything was clouded with strange dust, which the wind filled between the window frames in a large layer ... It’s good that none of us was on the street, although there weren’t any of those who were affected by the thick curtain, but it was clear that it was very breathing to find ourselves on the street troublesome - apparently the then frequent lessons in civil defense during emergencies, allowed passersby to instantly orient themselves and breathe through the tissue ...
    Everything lasted no more than half an hour, then everything died down and the sun shone brightly again ... Only the dust stuffed between the windows turned out to be a burn-out, ashes of a strange reddish color.
    That year, a forest burned very strongly in the Far East.
    And everything would be forgotten, if after years, in the process of professional activity, I would not have the opportunity to talk with people who participated in the events directly in the fire areas ...
    And here is what many have said:
    pos. Muchen is one of the logging centers ...
    Fires wandered around the settlements, a bunch of bulldozers expanded the mine lanes around the villages ...
    One day, during the lunch break, when the workers left the lower warehouse, the whole and immediately stacked pile of forest suddenly broke out - 4000 mb. (if anyone has no idea, then this is a huge pile of forest, very huge) ... It didn’t catch fire from which end, but flared up at once (!)
    On another day, a house on the outskirts broke out in the same way (I note that adults were at work, children in schools and kindergartens, and the lights were turned on by the clock ... The stove did not heat up, because summer)
    Thus, there was a fire of more than one house and not in one village ...
    Separate people flared up and burned. The equipment burned down along with a section of the forest in such a way that part of it looking towards the forest “flowed” melting, and the other remained completely safe, with unburned paint ... Nearby were only the internal organs of people who for some reason did not have time to escape from the fire, t .e. the body burned completely, and the stomach and intestines, which have the highest concentration of water, remained.
    In general, at that time the forest funds of several powerful forestry enterprises burned down, many workers' villages burned down, people died, many units were destroyed. technicians ...
    Such cases occurred on vast territories, but locally - the Nanai district and its entire logging base were damaged, the Khorsky timber industry enterprise in the Lazovsky region and almost its entire base were damaged, almost the entire base of the Vanino timber industry was burned down, where the artillery warehouses were hooked up, the remains of which were evacuated to the end of the 80s x (I also found the movement of ammunition to Kamchatka in the Yelizovo district), the Komsomolsky and Khabarovsky districts suffered a little less ...
    The opinion of the then directors of the timber industry enterprises, heads of departments and less senior employees and ordinary workers of the timber industry enterprises was that what had happened was not at all like the elements ... But it looked like tests of some new weapon ... So the question remained: - who experienced?
    Ours on conditionally deserted territory or an adversary on the Cold War ...
    From that time until now, those areas of the forest in the Far East cannot recover and harvest the forest to the extent that existed in those distant years ...
    And you say SOI ............
    1. Tartary
      Tartary April 26 2013 06: 15 New
      0
      ADDED
      There were similar severe fires in the area of ​​the Lidoga-Vanino road in 1998-99, but there was clearly an element there - powerful horse fires threw burning trees from the hills to the hills across the road along which the timber trucks went ... There were no dead heroes of timber carriers among their acquaintances It was.
      1. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui April 26 2013 06: 59 New
        +3
        Tartary - hello wink to the above, I can add the following from a not so distant time: 2 years ago, in the summer, on a warm cloudless night, standing on the balcony and staring at the stars, I suddenly felt a sharp drop in the ambient temperature ... could survive for no more than 5 seconds and after that , as the ribs began to freeze (as it felt), jumped into the kitchen, jumping the balcony door. After 10-15 seconds. , when checking, overboard again a warm summer night and only light gauze on the windows in the remainder. And in March of this year in Ust-Ilimsk and Bratsk SIMULTANEOUS tornadoes on the territory of both cities ... It turned around so that my car weighing about 2 tons shook like in a fever and at the same time I was covered with a truck on one side, and right at the rate of 30 meters there was a 6th floor covering the lobovuha. This snow crap frenzied in the city for 15-20 minutes and fell silent for a couple of minutes - again the sun and the blue sky and small clouds ... and the "_dibiloid__ driving" crammed into the ditches trying to go no matter what (they especially distinguished themselves by jeeps) drinks
        1. Kaa
          Kaa April 26 2013 13: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: viktor_ui
          And in March of this year, in Ust-Ilimsk and Bratsk, SIMULTANEOUS tornadoes on the territory of both cities.
          Yes, a long time ago such a HRE worked in the USSR, earlier than in the States. "Both the American HAARP, and the Russian Sura, and other similar systems were originally designed to study the effect of powerful radio emission on the propagation of radio waves in near-Earth space - the ionosphere and magnetosphere of the earth. The defense task is to ensure the reliability of telecommunication systems, including when the solar plasma invades the near-Earth space, the scientific one is to learn how to simulate these processes without the participation of the solar plasma, acting on the atmosphere by radio waves. The method of study is the effect on the ionosphere and magnetosphere of the Earth by radio emission. For example, I can tell you that ten years ago a large ejection of coronal mass came from the sun to the Earth, which seriously affected the operation of communication systems, such "surprises" can occur not only from solar exposure, but, for example, can be a consequence of explosions in near-Earth space. How to protect yourself from this is of interest to many, including the military. This is what the Hiting Community, scientists working at such Sura and HAARP training grounds, is doing. In 2005, an American meteorologist Scott Stevens claimed that Hurricane Katrina was aimed at the United States with the help of secret climate ("weather") weapons developed in the Soviet Unionbased on the principle of an electromagnetic generator. "It is established that in the 60s and 70s, the former Soviet Union developed and was proud of the weather modification technologies that began to be used against the United States since 1976," - he claimed on his personal website, where this version came from in the American media. In an interview with the Postregister newspaper, Stevens also said that, according to him, the mysterious interference observed on the shortwave radio is evidence of the existence of a “Russian weather control machine”. The Sura multifunctional radio complex was operational in the early 80's. near Vasilsursk, Nizhny Novgorod region, 150 km from Nizhny Novgorod. Designed to study the ionosphere. It is managed by the Nizhny Novgorod Research Radiophysical Institute (NIRFI). The complex includes antennas, a building of a radio transmission complex, a transformer substation, laboratory and utility buildings. The complex is based on three short-wave PCV -250 radio transmitters with a power of 250 kW each and a transceiver antenna. For comparison: HAARP (Alaska) - power up to 3600 kW, EISCAT (Norway, Tromsø) - 1200 kW, SPEAR (Norway, Longyearbyen, previously belonged to Great Britain) - 288 kW. The Sura complex is currently the largest radio complex for studying near-Earth processes in the world, second only to the American HAARP and the European EISCAT. http://aenforum.org/index.php?showtopic=1339
      2. fzr1000
        fzr1000 April 26 2013 09: 03 New
        +3
        It is intriguing, only in 1976 was SDI far away. What then could it be?
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman April 26 2013 10: 51 New
          +1
          Well, in general, SOI has nothing to do with it. SDI envisioned the launch of satellites that would shoot down ballistic missiles, etc.
          This is more and more like HAARP - a climate weapon. And here there should be less doubt. This thing has already been involved more than once. But again, there are a lot of doubts. Perhaps some natural disasters in the United States (the same New Orleans and Catherine) were caused precisely by failures with climate weapons. you can guess a lot, but still SOI is a little different!
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 April 26 2013 12: 53 New
            +1
            HAARP began operating in 1997.
            1. Kaa
              Kaa April 26 2013 13: 24 New
              +3
              Quote: silver_roman
              This is more and more like HAARP - a climate weapon.

              Quote: fzr1000
              HAARP began operating in 1997.

              “There are tea and revolvers themselves ...” - “Russia, unlike the United States, continues to develop aircraft-based laser anti-aircraft and anti-missile weapons. This was announced by the general director of the Almaz-Antey concern Vladislav Menshikov. Experiments with laser weapons were carried out in the USSR. Air defense lasers were developed as part of the Omega program. According to unofficial information, the targets were hit at an altitude of up to 40 kilometers. Weapons based on new physical principles are undoubtedly promising, but we must understand that the volume of research and development will be large, says Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the National Defense magazine: “This is a very expensive direction for the development of weapons from a financial point of view and military equipment. Obviously, in the next 30-40 years, anti-aircraft guided missiles will be the main means of destroying both air and ballistic targets. In the future, combat laser systems of various types of basing will be developed to repel attacks from the aerospace sphere. " http://rus.ruvr.ru/2012_05_13/74575085/Гриф секретности наложен и на российские разработки в этом направлении. So, in particular, several years ago, the MLTK-50 metal cutting complex, which is designed for cutting thick-walled pipes at a distance of up to 1 kilometer, was presented to the general public. The next development of the Salyut Design Bureau was to be the Skif-Stilet device. The prefix "Stiletto" appeared in the name because they were going to install the on-board special complex (BSK) 1K11 "Stiletto" developed at NPO Astrophysics. Ground "Stiletto" was intended to disable sights and sensors of optical devices. Under conditions of cosmic vacuum, the radius of action of the rays could be significantly increased. In Russia, "as in the whole world, work is underway on a combat laser." . Formally, the "Stiletto" is still in service with the Russian army. Some experts believe that during the parade on May 9, 2005, Russia demonstrated laser guns, and not “prototypes”, but serial cars. Six combat vehicles with the removed “combat units” and “terminal devices” stood on both sides of Red Square. According to experts, these were the very “laser cannons”. It became known that Russia was developing a modern airborne combat laser in August 2009, when this was announced by Yuri Zaitsev, the current academic adviser to the Academy of Engineering Sciences of the Russian Federation . In particular, he said that in the weapons program, which was adopted and approved by the Scientific and Technical Council of the military-industrial complex, there are sections that suggest the development of a completely new type of LASER WEAPON. And not so long ago it became known about the creation of a new laser combat system based on the A-60 aircraft, which is designed to blind the enemy's optoelectronic intelligence systems. The real purpose of the laser system is unknown, but it must be recognized that this is a very real use of laser weapons. http://venture-biz.ru/tekhnologii-innovatsii/286-lazernoe-oruzhie
    2. explorer
      explorer April 26 2013 06: 33 New
      +1
      Or maybe everything is much simpler: what
      Drought of 1976: http://vsestihii.ru/zasuxa/zasuxa-1976-goda.html
      1. Tartary
        Tartary April 26 2013 06: 52 New
        0
        Quote: explorer
        Or maybe everything is much simpler:
        Drought of 1976: http://vsestihii.ru/zasuxa/zasuxa-1976-goda.html

        Well, well, did people burn at once, because some of them didn’t hang out in the morning, while others had already managed to fill up with interest, while others didn’t drink water for several days because the terrible drought had evaporated all the water around?
        explorer, I was not going to convince anyone, but wrote what the participants in the events, local people, and not the press and other media spoke about, based on information from those times ...
        What times were you aware?
        Have you heard about censorship and propaganda?

        It is much easier for the blind to go where they lead, and for the deaf to understand what was tapped out by Morse code or written in the credits ...
        1. hrych
          hrych April 26 2013 08: 01 New
          +7
          In the bowels of the Earth, a dash is happening, but refractory metals are in a liquid state, the earth’s crust is completely saturated with combustible methane (miners know firsthand). During the reign of the Bosporus Mithridates kingdom, the Black Sea burned (scientists blame the methane emission from the bottom). Even near the Earth, a star flies, calling the Sun from which all prominences fly out in different directions almost every day, but for some reason the Earth is lucky and all the emissions fly by. When apocalyptic hysteria begins about the asteroid Apophis, who can get into the Earth after 100 years, they forget about prominences that can instantly burn the earth in minutes at any second. What do you describe, you seem to be methane emissions. If you take the unhappy HARP with its insignificant capabilities compared to the energy of at least one ordinary lightning bolt, then it was created to interfere with the navigation devices of our warheads and that’s all, although a lot is attributed to it. The only thing that mankind has been able to achieve is thermonuclear energy, with a peak in the form of the Kuz'kino mother, the rest is so nonsense that any earthly bunch can not be compared with this.
          1. ZhuDkiyDrugg
            ZhuDkiyDrugg 1 May 2013 13: 18 New
            0
            Et yes, another ovskiy "Super-duper" zilch bully
        2. explorer
          explorer April 26 2013 08: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Tartary
          It is much easier for the blind to go where they lead, and for the deaf to understand what was tapped out by Morse code or written in the credits ...


          I offered a very real explanation: drought (high temperatures that year were all over Europe) and this could cause abnormal meteorological phenomena. request

          And even if during a thunderstorm lightning hits someone in an open field, will you see the US intrigues in this with its high-precision weapons? bully
    3. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 April 26 2013 07: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Tartary
      Thus, there was a fire of more than one house and not in one village ...
      Separate people flared up and burned. The equipment burned down along with a section of the forest in such a way that part of it looking towards the forest “flowed” melting, and the other remained completely safe, with unburned paint ... Nearby were only the internal organs of people who for some reason did not have time to escape from the fire, t .e. body


      You, the master - the inventor. Well, like, a fisherman is a hunter.
      Well, or those who told you - well they drank wine or moonshine! I met such inventors. Maybe you have met such?
      1. hrych
        hrych April 26 2013 08: 34 New
        +3
        Methane is constantly leaking through the ground, but its concentration is low and it quickly blows it away by the wind. In mines, i.e. it has the ability to accumulate cavities, which when supplied (for breathing miners) air with oxygen leads to explosions and fires. What the colleague described is similar to a strong methane emission, which, in the absence of wind, drought, etc., could well lead to the indicated phenomenon.
      2. Tartary
        Tartary April 26 2013 09: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        You, the master - the inventor. Well, like, a fisherman is a hunter.

        Damn ... I’ve thought it straight, can I change my nickname after your bunch, please you?

        I wrote there the truth that I would be too lazy to stopud for your comments ... And to bring a retelling of respected people for your banter on a fisherman and laughter over an inventor - all the more so ...
        Your pros / cons I do not need - neither to that place, nor to this - but have fun as you like ...

        And what about I believe, I don’t believe, and about the drought from some - this is for you to S. Mikhalkov, where he has "About Thomas" ...
        By the way, after reading “About Thomas,” you can doubt whether the Soviet author translated this verse from the Old Flemish language ...

        As for the drought in Europe, Africa, America, etc., maybe there are cases described in my retelling from eyewitnesses? Maybe they were written about them between the lines in the press, but they were shown on the box in the 25th frame?
    4. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 April 26 2013 15: 31 New
      +4
      About ten years ago around the world the climate went crazy. Weather anomalies began that did not climb into any gates, not some kind of "global warming" but generally nonsense. I drew attention to this, as I recall, because the anomalies wandered around the world and somehow concentrated ... with us. And it seemed to me that it was well for good reason.
      And suddenly it was all over. And it ended up with a snowstorm on the US coast. In the middle of summer. In general - do not wake famously while it is quiet ...
  • taseka
    taseka April 26 2013 06: 12 New
    +6
    In general, the article is +, but let's remember how the Polish Lancers with drafts on German tanks bravely threw themselves - the result is known to everyone! If we do not now compare the level of equipment and military weapons of a soldier with at least 60% to 100%, then we also recall how everyone screamed at 41 - "Air!" and scattered in different directions! In the end, the battle is won not by the tank, but by its crew! But! Platoon radar, excellent night vision devices, barrel optics, individual communications, etc. - I want to see on our soldier, not on parades, joint exercises in France and the exhibition halls of the capital !!
    1. puskarinkis
      puskarinkis April 26 2013 23: 47 New
      +1
      The article meant that you do not always need to compete and follow a different path, but you need to invent your own. Take the tank with all the modern body kit devices and smart armor. You can try to pierce the armor and get the crew, "cunningly-difficult-expensive" ammunition, or you can hammer with shrapnel - so that the shell on approach turns into a wall of balls. In the second case, the tank can be taken with the crew - it will be deaf and blind. And why then splurge on any "cool"? It’s they who print themselves while they can entertain themselves with expensive wunderwafers. And how much will it cost to fight 4 years? And in whose pocket will the income go?
  • Svyatoslav72
    Svyatoslav72 April 26 2013 06: 15 New
    +5
    1. With such a Government, enemies are not necessary. 2. Under these Military, the USSR was lost and the Caucasian misunderstandings "triumphantly ended." 3. With this system, there is no way out of economic dependence on the West. 4. Under the existing model of the “state,” ethnic balance and national potential are lost. 5. Under these conditions, gigantic masses of dough are spent on show-offs and personal welfare of individual "respected" gentlemen.
    So what is the fight with us? If the ruling Criminal-Oligarchic Monarchy doesn’t finally kill us, then flying drones that support ethnic and religious groups fighting for “the right to self-determination” and “national independence”, which are now willingly funded by the Kremlin organized crime group, will finish off.
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb April 26 2013 06: 56 New
      14
      I agree, if not completely, with a significant part.
      But there is one problem. Replacing Existing
      Quote: Svyatoslav72
      Kremlin organized crime group.
      there is? Just do not shout about the existing opposition (of all stripes), they carefully coordinate all their activities with their masters, who care not about Russia but about its resources. I personally do not see such a replacement, but get the next "Gorbachevs" and "Yeltsins" as managers of the country.
      I emphasize once again for Putin’s haters, I myself am very cautious with the current authorities, but I don’t see a real replacement for the current president.
      Sincerely.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok April 26 2013 10: 52 New
        +2
        Duc and will not see. The current president is doing everything so that there is no alternative. At one time, this was justified when centrifugal forces grew stronger, as it is difficult to say now.
        1. smile
          smile April 26 2013 20: 04 New
          -2
          zvereok
          And how bad Pu does it? Do we have death squads? Or does he forcibly force centuries to sit in the party seats of Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky or other, even less attractive characters? Or do they personally drive the opposition into American embassies with a stick, or for reports to Congress?
      2. Svyatoslav72
        Svyatoslav72 April 26 2013 15: 16 New
        +5
        All! just like "divine day". I won’t even talk about the plywood OPPOSITION, half of the projects of the Kremlin Administration, as well as the “Independent” Parties. The Duma, the herd of flocks, the "Golden Horde" of our time (also one of the most successful projects in the game of Democracy).
        Of course! you will not find an alternative, there are two principles for maintaining the existing situation: 1. Power - and will NEVER be given to ANYONE. 2. Power - It is transmitted by inheritance to a person (or group of persons) ensuring the preservation of the existing order / world order.
        It follows from this that the monopolies on Power are guaranteed and cannot be changed by any methods and means.
        Now I’ll describe to you what really is: -The authorities profess Capital Fascism using indirect terrorist methods (Humanitarian Genocide), create conditions, impose rules, suppress dissenters in the Criminal Code and the Administrative Office to the “fullest”, expose “their” leaders “feed and merge "when you need something" to confirm or prove. We manipulate the public consciousness, simple psychological tricks, cover our actions from the “right side” (using “independent experts”, promoted political scientists, or political commentators). Not all can be deceived, but all can be deceived forever.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok April 26 2013 19: 10 New
          +2
          What is "Capital Fascism", for me it is translated as banking - Russian nationalism. My opinion is that if it’s banking, it’s not Russian, if it’s Russian, then it’s not nationalism ...
          1. Svyatoslav72
            Svyatoslav72 April 27 2013 08: 09 New
            +1
            Capital-Fascism is a self-forming phenomenon on the parasitic desire to provide personal gain and welfare at someone else’s expense, using the internal environment (People / Government system) for itself. Capital-Fascism replaces the State-National Power and ensures external dominance using the State system for personal purposes. Not oriented and not motivated by the Nation and the State, moreover, he opposes them.
            The basic principle: Power gives Welfare, Welfare gives Power.
            It takes its base from: 1. Capitalism - the achievement of financial and political independence over the means of production (people / nation) and the environment (society / state).
            2. Fascism (itl. The word implying unification, core, total mass) is the most ancient religion based on instincts and the right of the powerful to organize their world order, to affirm their Will by any means and methods. Fascism is different: national; religious; class / caste / estate; Political; Economic.
      3. Svyatoslav72
        Svyatoslav72 April 26 2013 15: 16 New
        0
        All! just like "divine day". I won’t even talk about the plywood OPPOSITION, half of the projects of the Kremlin Administration, as well as the “Independent” Parties. The Duma, the herd of flocks, the "Golden Horde" of our time (also one of the most successful projects in the game of Democracy).
        Of course! you will not find an alternative, there are two principles for maintaining the existing situation: 1. Power - and will NEVER be given to ANYONE. 2. Power - It is transmitted by inheritance to a person (or group of persons) ensuring the preservation of the existing order / world order.
        It follows from this that the monopolies on Power are guaranteed and cannot be changed by any methods and means.
        Now I’ll describe to you what really is: -The authorities profess Capital Fascism using indirect terrorist methods (Humanitarian Genocide), create conditions, impose rules, suppress dissenters in the Criminal Code and the Administrative Office to the “fullest”, expose “their” leaders “feed and merge "when you need something" to confirm or prove. We manipulate the public consciousness, simple psychological tricks, cover our actions from the “right side” (using “independent experts”, promoted political scientists, or political commentators). Not all can be deceived, but all can be deceived forever.
      4. Volkhov
        Volkhov April 26 2013 16: 24 New
        0
        There is always a replacement - the basis of people's power foreman, selected by the primary group, then the centurion, chosen by the ten men ... and so on to the top, and the choice is open and informed.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 26 2013 18: 17 New
          +1
          In Libya, such a management system gave a huge glitch
        2. smile
          smile April 26 2013 20: 08 New
          0
          Volkhov
          You mentioned the principle that exists in the sect of the Witnesses of ... and others like them, as well as the pyramids like the unforgettable brainchild of Mavrodi ..... is this an ideal system for you? Do you want to build the whole country like that? ... nu-nu ...
          1. Volkhov
            Volkhov April 26 2013 21: 07 New
            +1
            This is how Russia was ruled historically for thousands of years and was larger (borders went along the Kuril Islands, the Chinese Wall, included India, Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey and the Danube), the failure occurred due to external aggression and an excess of discipline during the replacement of power by the enemy.
  • Fost325
    Fost325 April 26 2013 06: 17 New
    +4
    The article is excellent, thank you very much to Vladimir Fomin !!! I wish that in our ruling circles when making decisions they looked back at the experience of the USSR, turned on their brains on time, listened to the opinions of experts and did not fall into ambitious tantrums.
  • Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin April 26 2013 06: 17 New
    +2
    Article of the rules, though yesterday I read at the militia tongue
  • Vanek
    Vanek April 26 2013 06: 23 New
    +5
    AUTHOR!!!!

    BRAVO! yes Great article good

    Hello to everyone. hi
  • mojohed
    mojohed April 26 2013 06: 27 New
    -3
    I agree with the author. But I just don’t understand why the emphasis is given precisely on the fact that, they say, Russia already has the coolest air defense and missile defense. We now have their high-tech armies - pah. Once you yourself offer to think with your head. Let's take into account that our air defense, although it is better than Libyan or Serbian there, but nevertheless - the areas of uncovered radar and air defense systems in our territory are huge. And the divisions were dismissed. Brigades, faced with the same division of the United States Marine, what will they do, with multiple superiority in manpower and equipment? Or, China is holding a huge number of troops on our border, also in the divisional composition.
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb April 26 2013 07: 06 New
      +6
      Thank God that so far we have retained the draft concept of draft (sorry for the tautology) and 14 million AK-74 in warehouses. In a future war, not armies but peoples will fight. And most likely, when crossing the borders of a significant number of opponents of our country (and it’s useless to attack us with a small number, we are big), there will be a big booby with subsequent radioactive fallout around the world. And the potential aggressors are well aware of this and think that a return to the previous systems of fraud, perhaps again they will help in the collapse .... only Russia already.
      Sincerely.
      1. SIT
        SIT April 26 2013 17: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        And most likely, when crossing the borders of a significant number of opponents of our country (and it’s useless to attack us with a small number, we are big), there will be a bad big boom with subsequent radioactive fallout around the world

        They have already crossed, but there is no badabum. In Russia, 10 million. guest workers. Most are poorly educated and, to put it mildly, low-income. At the same time, they are deeply religious. Giving them a Wahhabi understanding of Islam is not a problem. They have enough weapons that are still in Chechnya and Dagestan. Not enough - tossed across transparent Central Asian borders. What is nuclear badabum against them? Where to arrange it? On Peace Avenue in Navruz Bayram?
    2. kostyan77708
      kostyan77708 April 26 2013 08: 41 New
      +4
      so here the conversation goes that if something is thrown into orbit by their satellites then they will have nothing to fight, all their electronics will go out, and without it they won’t represent anything serious, besides we have a very important advantage - they’re fighting for money, and WE for the motherland!
    3. leon-iv
      leon-iv April 26 2013 13: 05 New
      +3
      Brigades, faced with the same division of the United States Marine, what will they do, with multiple superiority in manpower and equipment?

      The team is an administrative entity.
      But in fact with which brigade the medium and heavy are very saturated with weapons.
      Or, China is holding a huge number of troops on our border, also in the divisional composition.

      What are you saying? Give me how many troops in grams of evil Chinese who want to capture.
      Threat do not try the north of China is the least populated area. The main Chinese creeping expansion goes south.
  • Kavtorang
    Kavtorang April 26 2013 06: 29 New
    10
    Well article "+" for the raised problem. And what did you want - read the doctrine and scratch your turnips - And how is it?
    Now, while this one will be here: "how is it?" Until then, there won’t be any intelligible thing, but everything that has gotten sore and didn’t come to a single exhaust: offhand - Nikonov’s assault rifle, T-90MS tank, Armata combat platform, S-400 air defense system, S-1 Patsir air defense system, here this is insanity: the DARKNESS for the Caspian flotilla, and the fact that the Pacific Fleet, with its last gasp, drives the BOD to Aden Gulf, which they do absolutely not figs there, parallel to all - we can only shout "URIA". And to inquire in what state the same “Shaposhnikov” has gotten involved with patrolling and where he will go first thing now - this is not fate, not our method.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov April 26 2013 16: 29 New
      0
      Strange - you are a staff officer, but you didn’t calculate the logic of actions.
  • Per se.
    Per se. April 26 2013 06: 49 New
    +4
    The aggressor chooses the date of the beginning of the war and its character, if the aggressor is not Russia, then in order to prepare for war, you need to know your potential adversary, to predict the counteraction of foreign aggression. If you now sit and joyfully drool over your own tenderness, you need to buy more hats and bonnets to throw a stupid enemy with his ridiculous drones and other “nonsense”, without taking the threat seriously. In the XX century there was a war of motors, the XXI century is preparing a war of electronic technologies, where dominance in space systems becomes crucial for victory. The article is harmful, in my opinion. It feels like sometimes that an army of fighters of the invisible front of the CIA and the US State Department is working on our Internet resources, creating the right opinion, lobbying for the interests of America.
  • artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk April 26 2013 07: 08 New
    10
    Everyone who attacked Russia, Russia, the USSR, everyone shouted that they had the most advanced army in the world. So what? Where are they all. We have something that not one science can create. Remember the fairy tale, - Here the Russian spirit, here Russia smells. So this very Russian spirit is the most terrible weapon. Good luck to all of us, and hammer on everything that is said about a bad Russian army.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok April 26 2013 10: 56 New
      +1
      Maybe once again we should have the most perfect army in the world? Put fewer guys? And then we will have more migrants + Muslims soon than Orthodox citizens.
    2. SIT
      SIT April 26 2013 18: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: artist-mamluk
      So this very Russian spirit is the most terrible weapon.

      1st World 4mln.
      2nd world 27 million
      3rd world ???? million
  • Strashila
    Strashila April 26 2013 07: 18 New
    +3
    As Comrade Stalin said back in 1935 ... a war will start suddenly. A war is not only a weapon, you can capture the country by launching the Golden Donkey, an example is Iraq and Libya. Without people, a piece of metal is an weapon, an example is Yugoslavia and Syria. The author is correct He noted that one does not have to stare at the West, one needs to look closely, but no more. This is their development path and sometimes it rests on completely different criteria. A private trader has been there for a long time, and he is not interested in the country's security, but in the loot ... exotic projects appear on fantastic amounts, the main thing is to lobby in the government ... we also have a Mace or civil SuperJet ... about nano turned for some people into a nuno for something with a negative effect.
  • GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO April 26 2013 07: 27 New
    +4
    There will be no direct war between Russia and NATO. But you can prepare for war in the Central Asian theater. It is possible that after the withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan, all the rabble from Syria will be transferred there and their "campaign to the north" will begin. In Uzbekistan, the US State Department has already discovered a lack of democracy. And the United States will not miss such a chance to drag Central Asia into the war.
  • Borat
    Borat April 26 2013 07: 36 New
    +8
    Well done, sensible article. I’ve been talking about this for ten years now.

    The USSR and the USA have always created fundamentally different weapons systems for fundamentally different wars:
    - on our part, this is the equipment that Uncle Petya can serve - the former groom, knee-deep in mud in tarpaulin boots, who gathered at the factory, which was hastily built outside the Urals, by the former milkmaid Aunt Dusey and managed by Vaska, yesterday’s schoolboy. And with all this, this weapon is effective precisely in such a difficult and terrible war as the Great Patriotic War.
    - on the part of the United States, this is a product that the buyer should like - polished, chrome, super-super characteristics. This leads to the maintenance and management of high-class, long-trained specialists, special storage and operating conditions, and this equipment is produced at high-tech factories of PEACE TIME. The purpose of this weapon is to quickly and beautifully pound a cushion to someone who is weak (and preferably defenseless) somewhere on the other side of the "ball."

    As for high-precision weapons - here the author was in the "top ten": who "dunk" the space group, that heaps NATO. As for the balls in space, a nuclear charge is more effective: an electromagnetic pulse will do its job. By the way, work was carried out in the Union in this direction, for example, the MiG-33 (as it was then called) - a modification of the MiG-31 designed to destroy spacecraft (anti-satellite missiles were launched from a dynamic ceiling of 40 kilometers or more). Two prototypes were built, both remained after the collapse of the USSR in Kazakhstan ...
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 April 26 2013 08: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Borat
      As for high-precision weapons - here the author was in the "top ten": who "dunk" the space group, that heaps NATO.


      We pile on anyway! Why? where will we go?
      And we can’t do it differently. Besides, we are right! The truth is ours! Yes, and there’s no way to tick ..... It’s their fault, they convinced - and THESE want our complete disappearance!
    2. aviator65
      aviator65 April 28 2013 21: 11 New
      0
      . By the way, work was carried out in the Union in this direction, for example, the MiG-33 (as it was then called) - a modification of the MiG-31 designed to destroy spacecraft (anti-satellite missiles were launched from a dynamic ceiling of 40 kilometers or more). Two prototypes were built, both remained after the collapse of the USSR in Kazakhstan ... [/ quote]
      1. aviator65
        aviator65 April 28 2013 22: 15 New
        0
        Continuing the previous quote. In 86-91. I had the honor to work in the renowned MiG Design Bureau and intersected with this topic on work. Let me make a small clarification. The MiG-33 index did not exist then. There were three directions on the MiG-31: edition "01" (basic modification, subsequently MiG-31B, BZ), edition "05" (an improved version for working on a wider range of targets, subsequently MiG-31M, did not reach the series ) and ed. "07" (about him and there is a speech above). As far as I remember, only 1 flight model was built, and they were only planning to start the tests. But it was 91 years old ...
        By the way, by the way, work was still underway on the topic "512" (a promising interceptor, I myself saw a model of the cabin good ) and on the topic "301" (hypersound!), they have already riveted "1.44". That's just the new government said: "We do not need this." It's a shame am !
        And the article is really sensible. As the saying goes, these words would be used in the ears of God!
  • horoh
    horoh April 26 2013 07: 40 New
    +2
    The article is excellent, the author "+". It is necessary to develop your own taking into account modern threats and without regard to Western "toys." Yes, and about the F-15, he appeared at the Americans not after Belenko stole the MiG-25 in Japan?
    1. aviator65
      aviator65 April 29 2013 23: 34 New
      0
      Well no. A bit earlier. But it was definitely created with an eye on the 25th.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus April 26 2013 07: 48 New
    +4
    Harmful article.
    1) The author proposes to prepare for the wars of the past. That is, in fact, to revive the Soviet army. This is fine, but in order for the Soviet army to be needed socialism, the USSR, and a planned economy. That is, we need a revolution against the existing government. And the author offers himself a contradiction protect her. And in the current conditions, reforms of Serdyukov are possible, and not the Soviet army.
    2) The author talks about the NATO invasion with hundreds of thousands of victims among the soldiers. This, excuse me, is nonsense. What is the invasion? What are the victims? If we leave aside nuclear weapons and political issues (the oligarchs / officials have children and money in the West), then-
    There will be no invasion, there will be a large-scale air operation. First, the suppression of air defense (KR, drones), then attacks on life-supporting infrastructure.
    That is, there will be no marines against which a guerrilla war can be fought. And there will be an F-15E that will strike at the Kapotnya refinery and the Moscow CHPP in winter. And after 2-3 days, a couple of millions of frozen Moscow office managers themselves will sweep away any government that does not sign surrender. Victims among NATO will be 200-300 people. That's the whole war.
    3) Among other things, the author constantly produces myths. That is about useless drones, although they have not been fighting without them for 20 years. The already-tired stealth myth, how to admire American technology in order to accuse them of losing one F- 117 for 3 wars. About the destruction of satellites "in one fell swoop"
    In a word, a flaw.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek April 26 2013 07: 55 New
      +2
      In your words - alarmism. Worse than any weapon.

      Quote: Odyssey
      breeds myths


      Quote: Odyssey
      In a word, a flaw.


      It also says - Opinion of the amateur.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 26 2013 08: 20 New
        +8
        This is not alarmism, but an attempt at a real assessment. Without hatred, which is more dangerous than any "panic"
        1. stas52
          stas52 April 26 2013 08: 58 New
          +6
          Let's evaluate realistically. Can anyone give an example of how a drone shot down a combat aircraft, at least in a training battle? And how did the army of drones break through enemy air defense? Most likely no. In real life, we have a low-speed aircraft, and this will continue until new hyper-speed communication channels are found. The drone is controlled by a person sitting at a great distance from the aircraft, if you increase the speed of the aircraft, then the person will see the picture with a huge delay, i.e. what the operator actually sees has not been there for a long time.
          1. Per se.
            Per se. April 26 2013 09: 49 New
            0
            Quote: stas52
            Let's evaluate realistically. Can anyone give an example of how a drone shot down a combat aircraft
            Modern aviation began with the Wright brothers' primitive airplane, which could be shot down from a slingshot, so what? You are marvelous, men, after all, not children! The above related article is “Why sticks and stones are dangerous for modern technology.”, Authored by Rosa Brooks. Bravo! I allow myself to quote the author of this article "I am not an expert on armaments and not a military man. From the point of view of the latter - an amateur ...", immediately, behind this passage, I remember a movie
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 26 2013 09: 59 New
            +1
            Let's evaluate realistically. How many ground targets were hit by drones? How much intelligence is received. information?
          3. Per se.
            Per se. April 26 2013 10: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: stas52
            Can anyone give an example of how a drone shot down a combat aircraft
            All modern aviation began with the Wright brothers' primitive airplane, which could be shot down from a slingshot, so what? Above is a similar article, “Why sticks and stones are dangerous for modern technology.”, Authored by Rosa Brooks. Bravo! Why take a steam bath, develop expensive technology, in principle, stag beetle is also a formidable weapon. I allow myself to quote the author of this article already, “I am not an expert on armaments and not a military man. From the point of view of the latter, I am an amateur.” ... Involuntarily, after this passage, I remember the movie “Striped Flight”, I’m a tamer. Think, men, with your head, it’s not as simple as we would like.
          4. Odysseus
            Odysseus April 26 2013 10: 51 New
            +8
            Quote: stas52
            Let's evaluate realistically. Can anyone give an example of how a drone shot down a combat aircraft, at least in a training battle?

            Why would they shoot down planes? Drone targets
            1) Intelligence and target designation. Then they are simply irreplaceable.
            2) Suppression of air defense. It uses inexpensive drones that "wake up" the air defense, make him unmask himself.
            3) Attacks on ground targets. And here they are very effective, because they save lives, are cheaper than airplanes, have a low ESR, and a very long flight duration.
            What can it be cheaper and simpler Predators (for 19 years of continuous wars in a combat situation, 15 lost, 4 of them shot down), and more expensive Ripers (7 lost in 1 years of war, 0 shot down)
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 26 2013 11: 01 New
              +3
              In the late 80s, Israelis developed the IAI Harpy anti-radar UAV.
              Hanging over possible air defense positions. When you turn on their radar (as the Georgians did, they worked from external target designation, the radar was used only at the stage of hitting the target) it starts to work as an anti-radar missile. Dives at the target and destroys.
            2. Raven1972
              Raven1972 April 26 2013 22: 12 New
              0
              3) Attacks on ground targets. And here they are very effective, because they save lives, are cheaper than airplanes, have a low ESR, and a very long flight duration.

              Again, an isolated case of a successful defeat of a car with an UAV - in Iraq, with completely suppressed air defense
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus April 26 2013 10: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: Vanek
        In your words - alarmism. Worse than any weapon.

        In military matters, objectivity must be maintained. Otherwise, defeat.
        Quote: Vanek
        It also says - Opinion of the amateur

        Nevertheless, he gives strategic advice. Therefore, this should be taken seriously.
        For 20 years, NATO has been fighting according to one scheme: economic sanctions — pressure (bribery) on the country's leadership and the army — suppression of air defense — destruction of infrastructure.
        And the author is still dreaming of invasions with hundreds of thousands of corpses.
        Could you learn something in 20 years?
    2. Raven1972
      Raven1972 April 26 2013 22: 03 New
      0
      the loss of one F-117 in 3 wars
      oh? So one? At least 3 in Iraq and 2 or 3 in Yugoslavia ... so do not bother))) As the Americans know how to underestimate their losses, we already know well from the Korean War ... hi laughing
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 26 2013 22: 20 New
        0
        Okay, suppose three planes are lost in Yugoslavia. For 850 sorties. I do not think that this can be called a big loss.
  • survivor
    survivor April 26 2013 07: 52 New
    +1
    I liked the article. + But ... my opinion is that Russia, just after the Yeltsin era, was simply not able to feed a large army. Here and for the layman began to sculpt a daring excuse in the form of an army performing police functions. (If anything, chasing terrorists, function VV, for this they are intended for this purpose), and the army is obliged to respond to aggression from the outside. As usual, they broke everything famously and with a whistle. Now, they began to restore it with tension and with a creak. finally it came to rule that we need those who can be ruled, and if the country is not defended, then you can, like a Jude humpback, stay outside the aisles.
  • magadanets
    magadanets April 26 2013 08: 02 New
    +2
    As for Buran, that the Russians allegedly copied it from the Shuttle. When I launched the Shuttle, I caught the eye of the Youth Technique magazine if it does not change my memory for 74 years. There was a small note about future reusable spacecraft. engineers offer their own designs. Among them, the graduate work of Yu.A. Gagarin, by the way. There were many options. Looking at the illustrated pictures of the proposed devices, I thought that they copied amers from us. Well, although I'm not special, maybe that's why I and still think so))
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 April 26 2013 22: 50 New
      +1
      Look at the drawings and photos of the La-350 Storm - that’s why the Americans tear off their shuttle ... soldier
      But she flew !!!! Khrushchev let such a thing am
  • kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 April 26 2013 08: 21 New
    +3
    “I vaguely imagine V-2 pilots with a paper map in their hands” - introduced, neighing, to the article + laughing
  • nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 April 26 2013 08: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Odyssey
    That is, there will be no marines against which a guerrilla war can be fought. And there will be an F-15E that will strike at the Kapotnya refinery and the Moscow CHPP in winter. And after 2-3 days, a couple of millions of frozen Moscow office managers themselves will sweep away any government that does not sign surrender. Victims among NATO will be 200-300 people. That's the whole war.


    Yeah! You're lying! Do not take it! You live in the wrong country (?)
    And we will embed at their thermal power plants and block the gas. What will happen to them ????

    Are you talking about a country in which such designers as A. Shipunov, Kalashnikov?

    Everything has already been invented and thought out.
    Where do we have backup CHP plants? Right now! I will tell ...

    And this liberals = peasants (hard workers) at one moment will tear to shreds.
    Just hang down is one defense plant! Why on defense? But because there are real specialists and a man of work, a master of his craft, a real specialist
    = always friends with the head! and not some liberal zavlekuhi not peck!

    So do not have artistic whistles about Russia! Bulk on any!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 26 2013 08: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: nick 1 and 2
      So do not have artistic whistles about Russia! Bulk on any!

      And how many people do you plan to lose with this cap-throwing?

      You have to pay for technological lag during the war. This thesis has been repeatedly confirmed by practice.
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 April 26 2013 09: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        And how many people do you plan to lose with this cap-throwing?


        So I'm talking about that anyway pile on in any situation!
        This is for those defeatist songs like where to us with a pork snout and in their NATO line.

        And, of course, I am for the best weapons with us!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 26 2013 10: 00 New
          +1
          Heap bulk. And we get a demographic failure, as after the Great Patriotic War.
    2. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 26 2013 10: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: nick 1 and 2
      Yeah! You're lying! Do not take it! You live in the wrong country (?)
      And we will embed at their thermal power plants and block the gas. What will happen to them ????

      I appreciate your mood. But in order to embed them, you must first have something to embed, and secondly, have a government ready to embed them.
      And for our government, the main thing is that they do not block accounts in the West.
      Quote: nick 1 and 2
      And this liberals = peasants (hard workers) at one moment will tear to shreds.
      Just hang down is one defense plant! Why on defense? But because there are real specialists and a man of work, a master of his craft, a real specialist

      Okst, dear. Where did you see hard workers and factories in Moscow?
      Our "market reformers" have long destroyed everything. Now in the factories offices.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 April 26 2013 14: 52 New
        +3
        Why so. Pure factories
        Moscow Oil Refinery, Electrozavod, Moscow Electroshield Plant, Moscow Tire Plant, FSUE Salyut, VILS, Avtoframos (Renault-Logan), TMZ and MMZ Sickle and Hammer (still breathing so far), Moskabelmet, Moscow Plant of Reinforced Concrete Products and Pipes. Also a lot of food industrial production. Pharmaceuticals, light industry (clothing, shoes, leather goods, perfumery-cosmetology, jewelry factory, watch factory)
        And this, apart from such "elephants" as NPO Saturn, Antey, Titan, Basalt, Altair, Pulsar. And there is also the Moscow region. Cases, of course, are not brilliant, but they are.
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov April 26 2013 08: 33 New
    +2
    Put a minus.
    The meaning of the article can be concluded in two phrases: “we will throw our hats” and “all is well, a beautiful marquise”.

    A worthy successor of the author of the film "If tomorrow is war"
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 26 2013 18: 23 New
      -2
      Quote: Spade
      The meaning of the article can be concluded in two phrases: “we will throw our hats” and “all is well, a beautiful marquise”.

      I've already asked five times - when NATO, the United States or the Chinese will attack Russia - except for the minuses and the crap about housing and communal services, gasoline, Serdyukov, I did not receive a concrete answer, no one even wrote the approximate date of the attack.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 26 2013 18: 33 New
        +1
        As soon as the likely adversary decides that the pros of the war exceed the cons. Maybe tomorrow, maybe never.

        Here you have an iron door in your apartment, a good lock. Are you sure that they will try to rob you tomorrow?
    2. ZhuDkiyDrugg
      ZhuDkiyDrugg 1 May 2013 13: 53 New
      0
      Shovels, exaggerate. negative The author suggests not to use the Papuans who changed diamond to glass beads, but to live their own mind! In the article, I did not notice a call for a return to archaic and hatred, I noticed a call for unmatched primates and stupidly lick those / developments that are ruinous for the budget of any country (we have not yet acquired our own printing machine), especially since there are systems (cheap) that counteract nullify this whole "superhitek" lol
      I agree with the author, you need not chase uncle Sam’s new gadgets (they are already far behind), but do your own, which has always been famous for the simplicity of solution, production and operation, allowing even citizens of banana republics to burn all this high-tech club, and if this is in the hands of a well-trained fighter will it then even creep into our thoughts with “der * democracy” !?
      This is our “Achilles heel”, the army of yesterday’s schoolchildren, do you give them anything, the result will be disastrous request
  • amp
    amp April 26 2013 08: 38 New
    +2
    What other droids?
    The drone in English is called a drone (drone) and not a droid.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 26 2013 15: 02 New
      +1
      Droids are from Star War.
  • engineer74
    engineer74 April 26 2013 08: 42 New
    +7
    To the author +!
    But the topic of drones is already turning into an inferiority complex in our country. Do not forget that the "high-tech" US military machine relies on the existing civilian peacetime infrastructure (communications, GPS, logistics), and it is vulnerable. UAVs are serviced by manufacturers, which means that they are not as easy to operate as stated, and indeed massive use is in question. Russia's “backlog” in “unmanned” technologies is mainly the result of a PR campaign based on the replacement of the concepts of UAVs (unmanned, autonomous, independently performing aircraft tasks) and UAVs (remotely piloted, that is, controlled via a communication channel by a pilot , LA). For the first, we have no problems: Buran, Ganit (an autonomous unmanned attack aircraft with the possibility of group actions), and figs that we don’t produce; the "math" has not disappeared from them. In the US Army, mainly various UAVs (sometimes partially autonomous). There is a difference?smile
    Our main problem is to equip the troops with cheap tactical-level UAVs (platoon, company), but it can also be solved (Chinese RU model for 5-10t. + Smartphone for 5-10t. + Blue electrical tape + 1MB of program code), all matter in desire.
    IMHO
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv April 26 2013 09: 02 New
    +8
    An interesting look from the author. And most importantly, bold, not curtained and not devoid of rational grain. I liked his approach to the question (this is exactly) and partially the solution of the question itself.

    Yes, throw a stick at some satellites and GPS navigation of aviation, cruise missiles, high-precision bombs and control of drones will be covered with a copper basin along with satellite communications of command and control, depriving the advantages of the high-tech side in a military conflict.
    Back in the beginning of the 90, we examined the case during exercises in the GBV, when a tank battalion could not find itself for a while under a charge from electronic warfare, and not just fulfill the task in connection with the loss of communication in the VHF range.
    I recall how I studied the first modification of the T-72 with an optical rangefinder and a mechanical (!!!) ballistic computer in the LMS. It seemed like an anachronism. However, only such a technique will win the war with supermachines by depriving it of a satellite umbrella and scoring its electronics with an electromagnetic pulse.
    I liked this in the article: if you can’t create a drone at the moment, think of how to neutralize it.

    But, in fairness, we must admit that they did this in the USSR as well (creating a counterbalance and not copying): against NATO aviation, considerable attention was paid to the development of air defense systems, and against AUG they created the 949 project. How effective this was was another matter.

    Well, completely abandoning the development of science and technology in the latest issues of weapons is also not worth it. You cannot rush from one extreme to another. The same unmanned aircraft will appear anyway, and there is no way to lag behind in this matter.
    Everything should be consistent, comprehensive and feasible financially, with breakthrough impulses where it turns out. The same Shipunov, a deep bow to him, at one time put on the ears with his developments both a potential adversary and generals in his Fatherland.

    Plus to the author for honesty (honestly said that he was not a fighter, he did not fint) and for the courage of quite reasonable reasoning. But no more than that.
  • nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 April 26 2013 09: 05 New
    +2
    Article +++
    Just not right in one thing = you cannot construct something without studying the experience of others. Studying - you study. The work of thought.
    Buy (or steal) tear, do the same, try to understand the flaws and find the best solution. This is ours! And after such “exploits”, a fundamentally new one is born. That's how Shipunov, Kalashnikov and others grew up.
    But perhaps the author has a small oversight.




    Quote: JIaIIoTb
    I emphasize once again for Putin’s haters, I myself am very cautious with the current authorities, but I don’t see a real replacement for the current president.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 April 26 2013 09: 32 New
      0
      Quote: nick 1 and 2
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      I emphasize once again for Putin’s haters, I myself am very cautious with the current authorities, but I don’t see a real replacement for the current president.



      And it is TRUE!
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak April 26 2013 09: 12 New
    +3
    To the author plus. I agree completely, it's time to stop repeating after others. Necessary look what is there, and do everything in your own way. Perhaps taking the best ideas from there - adding them already in your own way. Then Great Russia will be.
  • sys-1985
    sys-1985 April 26 2013 09: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: Ruslan67
    They are trying diligently to convince us that in the 21st century everyone will fight exclusively with small professional armies with the wide use of precision and unmanned weapons. There is only one question: if they deploy a couple of classic tank armies against them, what will they do - scream that now no one is fighting? wassat

    Great comment! Only it will remain to scream to them. Fighting in small groups is good where there are no large ones)))
    1. Roll
      Roll April 26 2013 10: 28 New
      +5
      They tried in Iraq, and Syria also attacked with large tank connections, the Jevilins and in-52 with homing cluster bombs destroyed these tank connections at once and without loss.
      1. Raven1972
        Raven1972 April 26 2013 23: 02 New
        0
        Let’s just not forget about the suppressed air defense of Iraq (on the instructions of Gorbi, Shevarnadze handed over the jamming codes to the amers) ... With the current air defense, they would have been so free to fly there ... And it wasn’t without losses from NATa ... And in Syria, what are you writing about (B-52 and Jewels and the mass use of BTT) was not ...
  • Leroy
    Leroy April 26 2013 09: 31 New
    0
    In general, I agree.
  • pogis
    pogis April 26 2013 09: 36 New
    0
    Article + completely agree with the author! Without a satellite grouping, the NATO army (USA) is not combat ready!
  • dark_65
    dark_65 April 26 2013 09: 42 New
    0
    The author writes everything correctly, and the armament is now in the war 41-45, yes, even Afghanistan is not so far that it can do one many target aircraft, everyone understands that cities with a population of up to 10 thousand will simply not be a unit.
    One aspect also seems important to me, no less technical.
    Spirit, training in action in war conditions ... it is very important, which is simply not there so far.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 26 2013 22: 04 New
      0
      Quote: dark_65
      All the author writes correctly, and the armament is now in the war 41-45, yes, even Afghanistan is not so far that it can make one many target aircraft, everyone understands that cities with a population of up to 10 thousand will simply not be a unit.
      One aspect also seems important to me, no less technical.
      Spirit, training in action in war conditions ... it is very important, which is simply not there so far.

      It's a delusion! Without nuclear weapons, even a small city must be bombarded long and hard.
  • Metlik
    Metlik April 26 2013 09: 44 New
    +3
    Modern warfare is a struggle for man. Clausewitz wrote that it was not necessary to destroy the enemy, it was enough to crush him morally. Modern weapons are technologies for manipulating public opinion. Moreover, our enemies begin to influence the consciousness and introduce certain attitudes into it from a very young age, they hit the consciousness of children as the most vulnerable to suggestion. Films, ads, clips - they seem to be safe, but these are all carriers of malicious information.
    The article has many sound ideas, it does not need an excessive amount of weapons, it is enough to inflict unacceptable damage on the enemy. But, I do not agree that we need to abandon advanced research - in the field of high technology, we must at least keep up.
  • Igarr
    Igarr April 26 2013 09: 56 New
    +4
    Good article.
    I note that no matter what super-duper weapon is used - until the soldier’s foot sets foot on the enemy’s land - the enemy is considered to be alive, healthy and sovereign.
    Those. Japan’s atomic bombing was a damn thing to her. Until Soviet troops arrived in Harbin and other cities. And all the business.
    To whom, of course. But all this high-tech mutota only works in the environment of the same .. high-tech mutota.
    A comparison of microwaves and the F-117 is a pretty good example.
    The lack of anti-tank weapons in 1941 was famously replaced by "Molotov cocktails" - cheap products.
    Mikhail Panikakha, burnt down when applying such a “cocktail” - but, TOGETHER, with a German tank. Advertising slogan - Count for yourself how much the operation of the tank costs and how much M. Panikakh cost with a bottle of the mixture.
    Eternal memory to the Brave!
    .
    The response to SDI did not even provide for “steel balls” in space. It was enough to fill the UNION - gravelhow much he could put into orbit. The result would be the same.
    Around the same time, Brezhnev announced the creation of the "occult weapon" in the USSR. Does anyone remember this now?
    But weapons exist. This is an answer to Tartary’s remarks about flare ups in the taiga.
    At least it lays down very easily.
    ....
    "There is no prophet in his own country" - we have not said.
    And all this reasoning about compliance with high technology .... so, ha, who refuses? Let's develop.
    In your own way. Totally agree.
    I myself have always been amused by "patsian" conversations - at my "car" I trimmed the steering wheel with Bidarmot skin. And I uploaded the wheels with nitrogen. Nitrogen bullshit, I pumped argon - this is Vesch!
    And I covered the floors with larch of radial saw cut from Mauritania !!!!
    What? Have you ever heard such a thing?
    Why then do you think that our Generals are not the same "boys" ???
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 26 2013 10: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Igarr
      Those. Japan’s atomic bombing was a damn thing to her.

      Yeah, they just surrendered. Speaking of Harbin. He was taken 8 days after Japan officially announced its readiness to accept the Potsdam terms of surrender. That is why 120 paratroopers were able to capture 40 thousand. Japanese grouping

      Quote: Igarr
      The lack of anti-tank weapons in 1941 was famously replaced by "Molotov cocktails" - cheap products.

      And the lives of the soldiers. It seems to some penny too

      Quote: Igarr
      The response to SDI did not even provide for “steel balls” in space. It was enough to fill the UNION - with gravel, how much he could put into orbit. The result would be the same.

      Was astronomy taught at school? What about physics? How many "Unions" to run against the rotation of the earth so much gravel that it will be able to hit global positioning satellites protected from micrometeorites in high orbits and communication satellites at geostations? And how idiotic were our designers who developed killer satellites and anti-satellite missiles?

      Quote: Igarr
      Why then do you think that our Generals are not the same "boys" ???

      Or maybe they understand that they have to pay for technological lag with blood? As in your example with Molotov cocktails. Maybe they understand that the thesis “and women still give birth” is not for us?
      1. Igarr
        Igarr April 26 2013 11: 25 New
        +2
        Mr. Lopatov ...
        I carefully read your remarks.
        Thank you.
        Very entertaining.
        1. Igarr
          Igarr April 26 2013 22: 13 New
          0
          I feel ... no one understood your trick ... "run so much against the rotation of the earth .."
          ..
          Yes, and it looks like ... You, Mr. Lyapyatov ... yourself think that the launch vehicles are moving on the ROTATION of the Earth ...
          Eeeeee?

          ..
          So what?
          It characterizes well .... opponents.
          Let ... THEM !!!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 26 2013 22: 31 New
            0
            Quote: Igarr
            It characterizes well .... opponents.

            Exactly. Here you are the humanist.
            Because you don’t know that the energy consumption in putting the payload into orbit against the rotation of the earth is much higher than the energy consumption in moving out of rotation, and therefore Soyuz could take significantly less of your gravel.
            Well, because you do not see a significant difference between missiles flying along a ballistic trajectory and missiles that launch a payload into orbit.
            1. Igarr
              Igarr April 28 2013 20: 38 New
              0
              For your information, I graduated from the Higher Marine Engineering Institute.
              Now the academy is called - BFFSA.
              Oh, about the energy costs ... and the rotations of the Earth ...
              Why do ballistic missiles launch along vertical paths?
              And winged - by .. aerodynamic?
              And which category of missiles carries more payload? What is considered useful?
              They never wondered how the body behaves ... under its own TRAIGHT?
              And reproach me with ignorance of physics.
              Themselves ... the three laws of Newton would have studied ... first.
              Theorists ....... Fausts ...
      2. Aleksys2
        Aleksys2 April 26 2013 22: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Spade
        Yeah, they just surrendered.

        On August 9, at an emergency meeting of the Supreme Council for War Management, Japanese Prime Minister Suzuki said:
        "The entry this morning in the war of the Soviet Union puts us finally in a desperate situation and makes it impossible for the continuation of the war"

        February 4 - February 11, 1945 - Yalta Conference. The Allies agree on a post-war world order, including in the Asia-Pacific region. The USSR undertakes to enter the war with Japan no later than 3 months after the defeat of Germany.
        April 5 - denunciation of the USSR neutrality pact between the USSR and Japan.
        May 15 - Japan cancels all treaties and alliance with Germany in connection with its surrender.
        June 1945 - Japan begins preparations for repulsing a landing on the Japanese islands.
        July 12 - The Japanese ambassador in Moscow turns to the USSR with a request for mediation in peace negotiations. On July 13, he was informed that no answer could be given in connection with the departure of Stalin and Molotov to Potsdam.
        July 17 - August 2 - Potsdam Conference. The USSR reaffirms its commitment to enter the war with Japan no later than 3 months after the surrender of Germany (Stalin believes that this happened only on May 8).
        July 26 - The United States, Great Britain and China, fighting with Japan, formally formulate the conditions for surrender of Japan in the Potsdam Declaration. Japan refuses to accept them.
        August 6 - US nuclear strike on Japan.
        August 8 - The USSR declared to the Japanese ambassador about joining the Potsdam Declaration and declared war on Japan.
        August 9 - at dawn, the USSR began military operations in Manchuria.
        August 9 - in the morning, the second US nuclear strike against Japan.
        August 10 - Japan officially declares its readiness to accept the Potsdam terms of surrender, with the reservation regarding the preservation of the structure of imperial power in the country.
        August 11 - The US rejects the Japanese amendment, insisting on the formula of the Potsdam Declaration.
        August 14 - Japan officially accepts the terms of unconditional surrender and informs the Allies.
        September 2 - The signing of the Surrender Act of Japan.

        From August 17, the mass surrender of Japanese troops began. To accelerate their surrender, a number of large cities, including Harbin, Jilin and Heijo, landed with airborne assaults from August 18 to 24. In addition, strong mobile detachments were created to capture important industrial centers, which should have prevented the Japanese from exporting or destroying material assets with swift action.
        Despite the fact that the organized resistance of the Japanese troops was broken, their individual groups, remaining completely cut off from the main forces, continued to fight. However, they were soon destroyed or captured.

        Hi Igor.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov April 26 2013 22: 47 New
          +1
          A vivid example of how this was presented by Soviet textbooks. The fact that by this time Japan no longer had industry and was completely blocked is somehow overlooked.
          1. Raven1972
            Raven1972 April 26 2013 23: 09 New
            +1
            Well, yes))) That's allies with the Japanese were planning to butt until the age of 47, and the Kwantung army just sat in Manchuria - they actually drove resources to Japan from China, if you do not know ....
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov April 26 2013 23: 40 New
              0
              Another quote from Soviet textbooks?
              It remains to figure out how it was possible to drive resources (probably a tunnel?) And why (industry was already destroyed by the Americans)
              1. Raven1972
                Raven1972 April 26 2013 23: 58 New
                0
                Og, and the Japanese merchant fleet immediately drowned in the East China Sea, and moreover))))) And when did they destroy the American industry? Probably Doolittle's raid? laughing
                Py.sy. My quote to Soviet textbooks has nothing to do, I'm interested - I'm looking for information on a topic of interest ... hi
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov April 27 2013 00: 02 New
                  0
                  Quote: Raven1972
                  Oga, and the Japanese fleet merged at once drowned in the East China Sea, moreover)))))

                  Not myself, the Americans helped.
                  1. Raven1972
                    Raven1972 April 27 2013 00: 12 New
                    +1
                    Amer to 44g. they didn’t come close to Japan itself, and even in the Sea of ​​Japan they weren’t there anymore (I confess I was wrong with the seas recourse ) So through Wonsan and Chanjin, the supply went quite calmly ...
          2. ZhuDkiyDrugg
            ZhuDkiyDrugg 1 May 2013 14: 07 New
            0
            On the continent is "completely blocked" ??? repeat
        2. sergeschern
          sergeschern April 27 2013 14: 56 New
          +1
          My father talked about that war: after the surrender, the Japanese completely slaughtered our rear hospitals. It turns out that they were hiding underground in secret bunkers and were armed to the teeth: there were light tanks and even aircraft with folding wings!
  • castle
    castle April 26 2013 09: 56 New
    -2
    I have already spoken out on a similar topic. I’ll say it again. The “universal platform” for a variety of armored vehicles (tanks, armored personnel carriers, etc.) is another American Lafa that they launched so that in Russia, by the inertia of an old thought, they would also start throwing money away to develop “such same, but more "nonsense." Why ... do I need to create the same undercarriage for cars with different weight characteristics?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 26 2013 10: 33 New
      0
      Do you think that the weight characteristics of the tank, self-propelled guns and some kind of IMR are very different?
    2. valerei
      valerei April 26 2013 11: 36 New
      +3
      Hrad, purely for reference, as a designer, I will say: The same chassis is needed to reduce the cost of production, reduce maintenance costs, organize conveyor production, simplify supply and repair in peacetime and in war. Of course, landing equipment does not count.
    3. ultra
      ultra April 26 2013 11: 51 New
      0
      Quote: hrad
      Do you need to create the same undercarriage for machines with different weight characteristics?
      It will not be the same! Three different platforms are created! hi
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 26 2013 12: 02 New
        +1
        On the contrary, the platform is the same, but it will be different .. not .. different "content".
  • Roll
    Roll April 26 2013 10: 14 New
    +1
    request The author’s opinion is really amateurish, containers with balls, and the author -> author -> the author even imagines distances in space, you can’t get more than one lower satellite, a vigorous explosion in space is ineffective, and the electronics are reliably protected, the war is of two decent armies will be conducted by small strike groups, where one professional soldier will kill dozens of mobilized ones. (see Iraq) UAVs will be effective in the second stage of the war when the fighters are destroyed, or the author -> author -> the author thinks that we will be thousands of them in the Second World War release. Then the author -> author -> the author at least understands how to mobilize a soldier for Russia now, most of the conscripts jump into their jeeps and scatter through the forests and dachas. Amer unfortunately do everything right, but we don’t, we are preparing for some kind of trench warfare, but it won’t exist. Even there will be no occupation.
    1. valerei
      valerei April 26 2013 11: 29 New
      0
      Rolm, why cling to words? You could say that you would put a large fly swatter into orbit and spank satellites with it, so what? Would you criticize a fly swatter? The point is in principle! What about your version of a possible war, so where did it all come from? That's right: also from the head and also just a guess. Admiral Makarov said that armadillos were built not for naval battles, but to demonstrate the power of the state. It seems to me that enough has already been built to demonstrate the power of Russia.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 26 2013 11: 38 New
        0
        Russia is only going to resume work on anti-satellite missiles. And nothing cheap, each will cost something like a modern combat aircraft. Not to mention the whole complex, including detection and guidance, upgraded for this MiG-31.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac April 26 2013 22: 26 New
      0
      Let's launch one ball and in two hundred quadrillion years, according to the theory of probability, it will hit all the satellites in all orbits around the Earth.
    3. ifolga
      ifolga April 26 2013 22: 43 New
      0
      The author’s opinion is really amateurish, containers with balls, and the author -> author -> the author even imagines distances in space, you can’t get more than one satellite from below, a vigorous explosion in space is ineffective.

      Interesting opinion. And at the expense of amateurishness, read this
      http://www.armscontrol.ru/course/lectures04a/apb040317.htm
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 26 2013 23: 02 New
        0
        And where is there about the "balls"? Have not found.
    4. Raven1972
      Raven1972 April 26 2013 23: 19 New
      0
      Rolm, how many damaging factors of nuclear weapons do you know? Have you heard about EMP? I see that it’s not, they’re unlikely to be taught this right now ... Next - imagine the action of a steel ball moving at a speed of 7.8-11.2 KM / s - it will pierce ANY armor !!!!!!!!
      most of the recruits jump into their jeeps and scatter through the forests and summer cottages.

      But I won’t go anywhere, they taught me a lot of things in the army, for example, that scrap in a caterpillar stops ANY tank, and I still haven’t forgotten how to shoot ... So do not judge others by yourself)))
  • zvereok
    zvereok April 26 2013 10: 14 New
    +2
    And yesterday I fell asleep dreaming about gremlins made in Rusnano, who, having made their way into the exhaust pipe of an abrams, disable the engine, about robotic grenades hanging on the unloadings of our paratroopers, which, after a throw in flight, turn on the engine and chase after the terrorists. About BMD-based drones that have refueled from a BMD tank, take off and transmit intelligence to it direct missiles at the enemy and grumble at the adversary, then, landing near the BMD, refuel And again into battle. And when everything is bad. BMD is placed in autonomous mode, shelling the enemy and covering the withdrawal of personnel on the armor of other vehicles.
  • Roll
    Roll April 26 2013 10: 23 New
    +2
    bully Then everyone was fixated on an unacceptable damage, The charm of a buck in the brain is felt, and if a third force provokes a war for which the destruction of all the basic states and 5 billion is the goal, then it is not an acceptable damage. But in another way to create a world government, a golden billion and not save civilization will work out. that’s the thing.
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 April 26 2013 23: 28 New
      0
      So that's the trick to make the damage unacceptable to them !!! They really value and respect their life ... soldier
  • Igarr
    Igarr April 26 2013 10: 36 New
    +3
    Dreamers .... about the correctness of the Americans ...
    Rusnano’s 2,5 billion loss is nanobots ... in the nanosuploads of our nanosized conscripts, who by no means nano-jeeps sit in gigantic tasks.
    The war, whatever it will be won - by People! By human standards.
    He came, put in the stars, robbed, raped. Approved!
    Then - He left. If it is - We.
    .
    And all the others - they just won’t be able to come.
    I’m standing on that.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok April 26 2013 11: 13 New
      +2
      People are very difficult, they need to be thought and taken care of. This is not for our government. I don’t know in my city a single bomb shelter. In the city where I work, I know one thing - there is now a bar.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr April 26 2013 11: 44 New
        +3
        "People are very difficult .." - bravo.
        Good point.
        Why bomb shelters?
        Here is a strange impression. The film "Terminator" - a practical guide to combat cyber. There are also bomb shelters from the terminators.
        The film "The Matrix" - again ... a person conquers the space of artificial intelligence.
        The film "Predator" with the same Schwarzenegger. Need to comment?
        Americans what? Set out to plant - the Great, the Eternal, the Human?
        According to Freud, they themselves are afraid of causing ... the hands of Man.
        But in fact - worse than Man - there is no beast.
        And no one there, a cybernetic berserker drone, and did not lie next.
        Free will is an irresistible thing.
        And if it’s also warmed up with alcohol - in general, at least take out the saints.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 26 2013 11: 50 New
          +2
          And if it’s also warmed up with alcohol - in general, at least take out the saints.

          Speak the truth!
        2. Roll
          Roll April 26 2013 15: 31 New
          0
          The very idea in the film is a sophisticated terminator. Why make a terminator look like a person when there were always traitors among people. And why are people so suddenly divided, terminators against people, much more correct is one shobla of people with terminators, against the same one. Yes, and reprogramming the terminator, as simple as skipping the Windows terminators. I don't want to reprogram. It’s easier to reprogram a person, the experience of the KGB or the CIA is sufficient.
          1. Igarr
            Igarr April 26 2013 23: 12 New
            +1
            Misha ... Michael, Rolm ...
            Well, actually ... are we going to discuss the theory of films, or something?
            Of course not...
            You got ... such questions .. ".. Why make the terminator look like a person .."
            .
            There are no other examples .... a more terrible instrument of the Lord ....
            How do you want to treat !!!!
            More terrible than Human is not invented yet ... Weapons!
            And all business.
            For the glory of God ....
            .
            ..
            ..
            but for the especially dull .. add ... FREE WILL ...
            ....
            The Lord himself did not suspect .. which Demon he set free.
  • iliq
    iliq April 26 2013 11: 10 New
    +3
    for writing such articles, and especially any far-reaching conclusions, it is extremely important to read the materiel, and not the Ura-ops Murzil!
    because after hearing such nonsense:
    There is no need to go far for examples. When all NATO piled on a small, defenseless Yugoslavia, the Serbs with the help of microwaves induced F-117 to the false targets and beat them down with the 125-based air defense missile system, created in the 1961 year.

    and not knowing that this is the only case on 3000 !!! F-117 sorties, you can write any nonsense - it will be far from reality.

    And the winner is not the one who uses high-precision weapons, but the one who can quickly and safely destroy the enemy’s satellite constellation - without it, all these systems turn into a pile of metal (I vaguely imagine V-2 pilots with a paper map in their hands).

    what the author fantasizes for himself is his problems, but US pilots have on their overalls a special pocket (on the thigh) for special paper cards;)

    you also need to study at least a little the weapons of a potential adversary - and suddenly it turns out that satellite guidance is only one of the guidance systems of the RC and other things, and without it the RC perfectly reaches the target and destroys it!

    Well, in the end - INFORMATION, information exchange - this is a 90% victory of the NATO armies in any conflict. and neither the Russian Federation nor China can compete with the Americans in collecting, processing and displaying the necessary information to end users (CIUS). but the Chinese will probably reach the level of the USA in 10-20 years ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 26 2013 11: 49 New
      +4
      and not knowing that this is the only case on 3000 !!! F-117 sorties, you can write any nonsense - it will be far from reality.

      The reality is that the Americans, believing in the invulnerability of the F-117, flew along several permanent routes. What Colonel Zoltan took advantage of. And in his position, when the NATO Air Force owns the sky, it was very difficult to do and yet it turned out. About 3000 sorties ... yeah ... heroes ... at night, bombing the residential areas of the city with phosphor bombs, having carried out almost all of the air defense tomahawks. Geniuses !!!
      but US pilots have on their overalls a special pocket (on the hip) for special paper cards

      Come on??? And we thought they were holding cards on iPads.
      this is 90% victory of the NATO armies in any conflict. and neither the Russian Federation nor China can compete with the Americans in collecting, processing and displaying the necessary information to end users (CIUS).

      No, not in the processing and output of information, but in the brainwashing, deception and disregard for others! They really have no equal!
      but the Chinese in years through 10-20 will probably reach the level of the USA ...

      But Russia will not work? Or is it not indicated in the training manual?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 26 2013 12: 04 New
        -1
        Quote: Wedmak
        But Russia will not work? Or is it not indicated in the training manual?

        More such articles justifying our technological lag in the military sphere will not work.
      2. iliq
        iliq April 26 2013 12: 12 New
        -1
        Quote: Wedmak
        Geniuses !!!

        why are you spraying your saliva !?
        yourself not funny? on the 1st downed F-117 to draw such far-reaching conclusions?
        I will not even ask about your assessment of the 888 war ...

        Quote: Wedmak
        About 3000 sorties ... yeah ... heroes ... at night, bombing the residential areas of the city with phosphor bombs, having carried out almost all of the air defense tomahawks.

        I will probably surprise you terribly - this is taught absolutely in all military academies! in conscience / Russian, for example, they teach nuclear weapons to destroy entire peaceful cities ...

        Quote: Wedmak
        No, not in the processing and output of information, but in the brainwashing, deception and disregard for others! They really have no equal!

        Do not read the Uraop press for the night, but rather study the materiel! so that there was no shameful "ambushed" commanders.
        Yes, and long ago specially trained people understood and use propaganda weapons, as we see in the examples of the USSR, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria - it is very effective!
        but there’s a small BUT - for (your country) it’s necessary not only to rename the police into policemen ...

        Quote: Wedmak
        But Russia will not work? Or is it not indicated in the training manual?

        so I watched the Manual - in the plans of the Tsar (GDP) this is not ...
        http://topwar.ru/27303-288-minut-s-vladimirom-putinym-kto-sachok-a-kto-razduvaet

        -zhabry.html
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 26 2013 13: 40 New
          +1
          on the 1-th downed F-117 to draw such far-reaching conclusions?

          And here far-reaching conclusions? This is a great example of meeting different technology levels.
          I will probably surprise you terribly - this is taught absolutely in all military academies! in conscience / Russian, for example, they teach nuclear weapons to destroy entire peaceful cities ...

          And where does the nuclear weapons? In fact, incendiary bombs, like cluster bombs, are prohibited. It is clear that neither the USA nor Russia have ratified this treaty, but we must completely get rid of our conscience in order to sprinkle the CITY with such bombs! Knowing full well what consequences this threatens.
          and better study materiel

          I haven’t seen anything relevant from you regarding the facts.
          but as we see in the examples of the USSR, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria - it’s very effective!

          wow it’s necessary not only to rename the police into policemen ...

          in the plans of the Tsar (GDP) this is not ...

          But the stinging remarks addressed to countries and people who have at least something opposed the United States and its hangers-on - a whole wagon!
          1. iliq
            iliq April 26 2013 13: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            And here far-reaching conclusions? This is a great example of meeting different technology levels.

            and as you can see, more advanced technologies did everything they wanted;)

            Quote: Wedmak
            In fact, incendiary bombs, like cluster bombs, are prohibited. It’s clear that neither the United States nor Russia have ratified this treaty,

            Well, why is vine then?

            Quote: Wedmak
            but one must completely get rid of conscience in order to sprinkle with such bombs the CITY!

            as well as hiding behind the backs of "civilians", is not it?

            Quote: Wedmak
            Knowing full well what consequences this threatens.

            and what?

            Quote: Wedmak
            But the stinging remarks addressed to countries and people who have at least something opposed the United States and its hangers-on - a whole wagon!

            Something you already quite carried in the bushes? I certainly understand that when there is essentially nothing to answer - it is necessary to go over to the personality of the opponent and blame him for something - for example, unpatriotism, stupidity, insult Russian Russians and more. but this is an unworthy occupation for a man, and shows you in all its glory ...

            ps are those same people who equip themselves with a comfortable life in England, working in the government of the Russian Federation? or those who officially rolls government money
            In Cyprus?

            pps tell me, and the fact that the daughters of GDP live in Germany and the Netherlands - is this, a contrast between the US and the hangers-on?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak April 26 2013 14: 10 New
              0
              and as you can see, more advanced technologies did everything they wanted;)

              Well, yes, stupidly overwhelmed by the number of tomahawks. As a result, the truth turned out that the praised efficiency of the F-117 is very low and does not correspond to the costs of its maintenance. The planes were decommissioned. Everything.
              as well as hiding behind the backs of "civilians", is not it?

              Who was hiding behind the backs of civilians? Facts in the studio.
              and what?

              That is, numerous city fires, burns of civilians, these are not consequences. Weapons working by area cannot be used in the city! This is genocide!
              Something you already quite carried in the bushes?

              Me? No, it didn’t. I just pointed you to your favorite sayings.
              and shows you in all its glory ...

              He did not blame or insult anyone. Especially you now.

              ps are those same people who equip themselves with a comfortable life in England, working in the government of the Russian Federation? or those who officially rolls government money
              In Cyprus?

              In England? There is no such country, there is Great Britain. And people ... Berezovsky or what? Well, yes, he already arranged himself, .. Or Gorbachev? The USSR collapsed and is now giving lectures, and even trying to indicate how we can live on! New Russians who stole in the 90 and stuffed their millions into Cyprus? So they were cleansed by the very democratic and liberal lights of Europe, which they worshiped.
              And what kind of government money are you talking about, I do not know.

              pps tell me, and the fact that the daughters of GDP live in Germany and the Netherlands - is this, a contrast between the US and the hangers-on?

              Opposition ??? Do not make people laugh. Should a father indicate what and how to do or not do his adult children? His concern is to learn them and put them on their feet. Everything. Further under its own power.
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv April 26 2013 14: 29 New
                +2
                Well, yes, stupidly overwhelmed by the number of tomahawks

                Not only did EW and AWACS and U operate very clearly there. BUT in fact, Aviation was not able to damage the ground forces of the Serbs.
                Who was hiding behind the backs of civilians? Facts in the studio.

                Muslims constantly
                pps tell me, and the fact that the daughters of GDP live in Germany and the Netherlands - is this, a contrast between the US and the hangers-on?

                Do you have One's strong evidence?
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak April 26 2013 14: 33 New
                  0
                  Muslims constantly

                  leon-iv, well, where are the Serbs and where are the muslims. You do not compare. Yet in Yugoslavia, the US Air Force did not kill ... musliks at all.
                2. iliq
                  iliq April 26 2013 14: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Do you have One's strong evidence?

                  I do not have. but there was no refutation of this ...
                  1. leon-iv
                    leon-iv April 26 2013 15: 01 New
                    +2
                    I do not have. but there was no refutation of this ...

                    mdya harsh, I think you should not trust the OBS agency
                    maybe you are jealous that Putin Kabaeva revels?
                    Once, Stalin was informed that Marshal Rokossovsky had a lover, and this was the famous beauty actress Valentina Serova. And, they say, what will we do with them now? Stalin took a pipe from his mouth, thought a little and said:
                    - Like budem, like budem ... envy budem!
                    1. iliq
                      iliq April 26 2013 15: 05 New
                      0
                      so what is the problem for the GDP to go out and say: "my daughters live in Russia!"?
                      only then will you get a citizen of a lie ...
                      1. leon-iv
                        leon-iv April 26 2013 15: 15 New
                        0
                        so what is the problem for the GDP to go out and say: "my daughters live in Russia!"?

                        Why does he need this? That would be on a straight line would ask this question what. Yes, and if I were in his place, this question would not even have been noticed. He already has time in minutes.
                      2. iliq
                        iliq April 26 2013 15: 28 New
                        0
                        Quote: leon-iv
                        Why does he need this?

                        well, if you don’t understand why it is NECESSARY to the president of the "independent" country ...

                        Quote: leon-iv
                        That would be on a straight line would ask this question what

                        laughing
                  2. iliq
                    iliq April 26 2013 15: 36 New
                    0
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    Once they reported to Stalin,

                    But Stalin, too, could send children "to study" in England, Germany, "to live" in Switzerland, the USA ... but for some reason did not do this?
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak April 26 2013 15: 42 New
                      0
                      But Stalin, too, could send children "to study" in England, Germany, "to live" in Switzerland, the USA ... but for some reason did not do this?

                      You’ll ask Stalin ... When you meet.
            2. iliq
              iliq April 26 2013 14: 50 New
              0
              Quote: Wedmak
              Well, yes, stupidly overwhelmed by the number of tomahawks. As a result, the truth turned out that the praised efficiency of the F-117 is very low and does not correspond to the costs of its maintenance. The planes were decommissioned. Everything.

              Well, of course, as you say! It’s nonsense, of course, that the F-117 went through 2 more Iraqi wars, and were decommissioned only after the F-22 entered service ...

              Quote: Wedmak
              Who was hiding behind the backs of civilians? Facts in the studio.

              for example, infrastructure nodes - communication for example;)
              but I have already said - learn materiel, not agitation.

              Quote: Wedmak
              That is, numerous city fires, burns of civilians, these are not consequences. Weapons working by area cannot be used in the city!

              that you want not to use it is understandable. Do not share information how much, when and where the phosphorus bombs were dropped?

              Quote: Wedmak
              He didn’t blame anyone

              Quote: Wedmak
              But the stinging remarks addressed to countries and people who at least something opposed

              not yours

              Quote: Wedmak
              In England? There is no such country

              ooooh, how it goes ...

              Quote: Wedmak
              And people

              But Cho, Shuvalov is no longer a man? not, I understand, now dispersal will go about the fact that the apartments for papers do not belong to him, but to his wife ...

              Quote: Wedmak
              And what kind of government money are you talking about, I do not know.

              First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government Igor Shuvalov, speaking on the TV program Sunday Night with Vladimir Solovyov on the Rossiya Channel, made it clear that Russia did not intend to help Cyprus. In case of loss of money in Cypriot banks, the Russian authorities will only help state-owned companies,

              AvtoVAZ, Sovcomflot for example

              Quote: Wedmak
              Should a father indicate what and how to do or not do his adult children? His concern is to learn them and put them on their feet.

              it’s all good and right when dad is not in the public service. and even more so not the president / prime minister ...

              Quote: Wedmak
              All. Further under its own power.

              and what will a loving parent be ready for her daughter / granddaughter to do when they find 100 kg of heroin in the bedroom under the pillow?
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv April 26 2013 15: 04 New
                +1
                It’s nonsense, of course, that the F-117 went through 2 more Iraqi wars, and were decommissioned only after the F-22 entered service ...

                tin juice Mosk. A goblin is a crooked drummer. While the F-22 is a good interceptor, it’s almost a castrate on the ground. The current to the external suspension is to cling to, then why drive it.
                for example, infrastructure nodes - communication for example;)

                Oga, the Chinese Embassy was nearby)))
              2. Wedmak
                Wedmak April 26 2013 15: 05 New
                +1
                it’s nonsense, of course, that the F-117 went through the 2 Iraq war, and were decommissioned only after the F-22 entered service

                Seriously? The US Air Force is so stupefied that it replaces a stealth bomber with a fighter that is not able to work normally on the ground ?? Or maybe it was written off because this flying iron is only suitable for dumping a pair of aircraft, at night, in the absence of air defense? And his flying qualities are not far from the same iron with engines?
                Do not share information how much, when and where the phosphorus bombs were dropped?

                The video is still about hanging on the internet. Or are these children's fireworks scattered across the 3-4 quarter?
                not yours

                My. Is this an accusation? Your quotes. And I didn’t say that you are so bad ...
                But Cho, Shuvalov is no longer a man?

                So are we talking about government money or the money of large public companies? I think you’ll find the difference yourself.
                it's all good and right when dad is not in the public service

                Your son or daughter went to study at a university in Europe, and then you were elected deputy of the state. thoughts Recall the offspring studying at home? Or bring it by force?
                when will they find 100 kg of heroin in the bedroom under the pillow?

                Personally, I will refuse such a daughter / granddaughter. And I will consider myself guilty of improper education.
                a) I could not properly educate and the offspring did not embark on the true path
                b) the offspring is to blame for not thinking with his own brain how the 100 kg of heroin under the pillow can end.
                So, if they found it, they’ll go to jail. I can’t even move a finger to help!
                1. iliq
                  iliq April 26 2013 15: 13 New
                  0
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Seriously? The US Air Force is so numb that they replace a stealth bomber with a fighter that is not able to work normally on the ground ?? Or maybe it was written off because this flying iron is only suitable for dumping a pair of aircraft, at night, in the absence of air defense?

                  or realized that they’ve got enough drones and cruise missiles for this?

                  Quote: Wedmak
                  The video is still about hanging on the internet. Or are these children's fireworks scattered across the 3-4 quarter?

                  Well, so more specifically - where, when, the number. how many and which cities were burned.

                  Quote: Wedmak
                  So are we talking about government money or the money of large public companies? I think you’ll find the difference yourself.

                  Well, this is completely childish. or are we not talking about senior civil servants? Who is Shuvalov in the Russian Federation?

                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Your son or daughter went to study at a university in Europe, and then you were elected deputy of the state. thoughts

                  of course! Well, as it were, they would not become "suddenly" members of the State Duma ...
                  and even more so by the president;)

                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Recall the offspring studying at home? Or bring it by force?

                  and what's wrong with that? I’ll also sell property abroad, so there was nothing to blackmail!

                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Personally, I will refuse such a daughter / granddaughter. And I will consider myself guilty of improper education.

                  oh don't make me laugh!
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak April 26 2013 15: 33 New
                    0
                    or realized that they’ve got enough drones and cruise missiles for this?

                    So, just understood? Throwing hundreds of millions of dollars into the wind - and understand? Americans are of course stupid, but they know how to count money. By the way, when the Goblin was written off, it was all about drones. And there were KRs before that. And then what was the essence of 117? Show the world how to teach flying an iron? This they basically achieved.
                    Well, so more specifically - where, when, the number. how many and which cities were burned.

                    Well, firstly, it was not burnt, but burned. Secondly, This is Belgrade. Didn’t they bomb him?
                    Well, this is completely childish. or are we not talking about senior civil servants? Who is Shuvalov in the Russian Federation?

                    Those. You want to say that millions of Shuvalov are in Cyprus? Where did the firewood come from?
                    of course! Well, as it were, they would not become "suddenly" members of the State Duma ...

                    I’ll also sell property abroad, so there was nothing to blackmail!

                    Recall? Seriously? Sell ​​property? Is there / will be a reason to blackmail? (This is a joke, you can not answer) I believe, here I honestly believe it! Now tell me the facts: where are the children of Putin now?
                    oh don't make me laugh!

                    I don’t laugh. To believe, not to believe or to laugh is your right.
                    1. iliq
                      iliq April 26 2013 15: 46 New
                      0
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      So, just understood? Throwing hundreds of millions of dollars into the wind - and understand?

                      Well, actually, the F-117 was in service for 23 years, and as many as 64 pieces;) and they rolled back 3 war games at that time ...
                      there was time and opportunity to both evaluate and think.

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      By the way, when the Goblin was written off, it was all about drones.

                      eh, and what to do if we don’t know the materiel?
                      F-117 was withdrawn from service in the 2006 year ... The traitor serves with 1995 ... the total number in 360 pieces ...

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      Well, firstly, it was not burnt, but burned. Secondly, This is Belgrade. Didn’t they bomb him?

                      never heard anything intelligible. But it’s so simple - date, place, number of bombs ...

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      Those. You want to say that millions of Shuvalov are in Cyprus? Where did the firewood come from?

                      you really do not read what they write to you ... try to concentrate and read what has already been written - everything is extremely simple and clear in it.

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      Now tell me the facts: where are the children of Putin now?

                      in Germany and Holland;)
                    2. Wedmak
                      Wedmak April 26 2013 16: 02 New
                      0
                      eh, and what to do if we don’t know the materiel?
                      F-117 was withdrawn from service in the 2006 year ... The traitor serves with 1995 ... the total number in 360 pieces ...

                      Yes, I didn’t specify a bit - shock drones. Scouts were decent even then.
                      F-117 was filmed in the 2008 year. The traitor began to be used in the shock version only in 2001 - test launches.

                      you really do not read what they write to you ... try to concentrate and read what has already been written - everything is extremely simple and clear in it.

                      It is very difficult for me to argue with a person who does not even bother to state his facts. And replaces my thoughts - his own.
                    3. iliq
                      iliq April 26 2013 16: 13 New
                      0
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      It is very difficult for me to argue with a person who does not even bother to state his facts.

                      just for you, and only once:

                      Quote: iliq
                      ps are those same people who equip themselves with a comfortable life in England, working in the government of the Russian Federation? or those who officially rolls government money
                      In Cyprus?

                      Quote: iliq
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      And people

                      But Cho, Shuvalov is no longer a man? not, I understand, now dispersal will go about the fact that the apartments for papers do not belong to him, but to his wife ...

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      And what kind of government money are you talking about, I do not know.

                      First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Government Igor Shuvalov, speaking on the TV program Sunday Night with Vladimir Solovyov on the Rossiya Channel, made it clear that Russia did not intend to help Cyprus. In case of loss of money in Cypriot banks, the Russian authorities will only help state-owned companies,

                      AvtoVAZ, Sovcomflot for example

                      Quote: iliq
                      So are we talking about government money or the money of large public companies? I think you’ll find the difference yourself.

                      Well, this is completely childish. or are we not talking about senior civil servants? Who is Shuvalov in the Russian Federation?
  • valerei
    valerei April 26 2013 11: 18 New
    +1
    Bravo, Vladimir Fomin. An excellent article, and to me, as a former designer, it is extremely clear what is being discussed in it. Your words, and to God’s ears! However, no one reads our comments, except for ourselves, unfortunately. Thieves rule the country and they will never give up “muddy” projects where they can steal, hiding behind rhetoric about strengthening the defense of Russia.
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt April 26 2013 11: 38 New
    0
    Excellent written article! A plus!
  • Yura
    Yura April 26 2013 11: 50 New
    0
    The article is a big plus, very simple and clear, the author is well done.
  • Marine One
    Marine One April 26 2013 12: 24 New
    +3
    Serbs using microwaves aimed at false targets F-117
    What nonsense. How much can you duplicate this nonsense? Hundreds of times it was disassembled and the source of this microwave bike is known. From the same series as the Persians who planted the drone.
  • CHILD
    CHILD April 26 2013 12: 30 New
    0
    .... people are fighting, and against people)))) equipment without a man expensive metal .... thanks to the author!
  • Egor.nic
    Egor.nic April 26 2013 12: 35 New
    +3
    The article cannot be called bad, this is the personal view of the author, but in fact the article is nothing more than simple demagogy.
    What is simple chatter that costs nothing? Most "writers" and bloggers can only fight with a mouse in computer wars ..... We would go, serve the Motherland, and work for its benefit.
    A survey of the Levada Center, conducted in 2012, showed that of the respondents in the male population of Russia - 35% would prefer to evade service provided that a war against Russia begins, another 15% will immediately go abroad.
    These are the results of a poll survey. In fact - a more deplorable situation ....
    In fact, only 30-35% of the population of Russia actually protects and serves Russia, teaches and treats, dresses and shoes, feeds and plows, creates products and builds, that is, benefits. Everything else is useless biomass like buy-sell consumers with zero self-awareness.
    1. ZhuDkiyDrugg
      ZhuDkiyDrugg 1 May 2013 14: 29 New
      0
      Et Yes, here we lost the “fight” recourse
  • Egor.nic
    Egor.nic April 26 2013 12: 53 New
    0
    I can’t presume to call the article good or bad - this is the personal opinion of the author, his thoughts out loud.
    In fact, the article is just demagogy.
    It’s better to talk about readiness for a war, about a war when he himself went through it, but didn’t hear something or read somewhere ....
    Many authors and bloggers discussing the war did not hold weapons heavier than a computer mouse or joystick. Yes, no offense will be told to you.
    An analysis conducted in 2012 by the Levada Center on the subject: - how will you behave if the war is tomorrow - showed that 35% of respondents would prefer to evade service, about 15% will go abroad. "Good" statistics. Reflects the current state of affairs ....
    In fact, it turns out that only 35-40% of the total population of Russia sincerely protects and serves Russia, faithfully treats and teaches, sows and plows, dresses and shoes, creates products and develops science. Everything else is a useless biomass of consumers with a level of self-awareness on the damage of the baseboard.
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior April 26 2013 13: 12 New
    0
    And the winner is not the one who uses high-precision weapons, but the one who can quickly and safely destroy the enemy’s satellite constellation - without it, all these systems turn into a pile of metal (I vaguely imagine V-2 pilots with a paper map in their hands).

    well, besides satellites there are all sorts of things like "beacons", so the lack of a GPS signal is unpleasant, but not critical.
    As for the map, he’ll probably be able to fly on it, but you can forget about precision strikes. But the sense of the card will only be clear guidelines, otherwise it is not a card, but a potential tablecloth