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Russia armed with a new complex of electronic warfare "Krasukha"

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The Russian Defense Ministry received the first batch of mobile radio-electronic warfare systems (EW) "Krasukha-4", according to Russian media. In total, the troops received 4 of such a complex, which are designed to cover the troops and vast territories from radar detection, as well as countering enemy aircraft and airplanes. Since 2009, the Russian Armed Forces have also been replenished with ground-based EW Krasuha-2 complexes.


Currently, the technical details of these complexes and their characteristics are classified information. In the open access is very little information about the machines of this type. It is reliably known that they are placed on the four-axle chassis of the special vehicle BAZ-6910-022. The EW Krasukha stations were established by the Gradient Research Institute (Rostov-on-Don), and their release is handled by the Kvant Research and Production Association (Veliky Novgorod).

In modern military science, electronic warfare is gaining more and more weight and importance. An electronic warfare is a type of warfare in the course of which radio interference is exerted on the radio electronic means of reconnaissance, communication systems and control of a potential adversary in order to impede their work and transfer information. Components of electronic warfare today are radio-electronic suppression and radio-electronic protection complexes (this includes “Krasukha”).
Russia armed with a new complex of electronic warfare "Krasukha"

The object of the impact of electronic warfare are electromagnetic fields (waves), radio electronic systems and tools. At the same time, passive and active means can be used to create radio interference. Passive means built on the use of the principle of reflection (re-radiation), an example of such means are angular and dipole reflectors. Active means include those that apply the principle of generation (stations of interference and transmitters) to form radiation.

Today, EW is a set of concerted actions and activities of the troops, which are carried out in order to: reduce the effectiveness of the use of weapons and control of enemy forces, ensuring the specified effectiveness of the use of their weapons and control of troops.

Developed and adopted by the Russian army complexes "Krasukha" - a complex of electronic suppression (REP) and protection. REB is a set of actions and measures that are aimed at disrupting or disrupting work, as well as reducing the combat effectiveness of the use of radio electronic equipment and systems by an adversary by influencing their receiving devices with radio electronic interference. Modern radioelectronic suppression includes: radio, optoelectronic, radio engineering and hydroacoustic suppression. REB can be achieved through the creation of active and passive interference, as well as the use of various kinds of false targets and traps.

Created in the Rostov scientific research institute "Gradient" station of radio-electronic suppression 1L269 "Krasukha-2" is a truly unique system. This station was developed taking into account the generalization of combat experience, which was obtained by the Russian army during the armed conflict of August 2008 in South Ossetia. The Russian military learned bitter lessons from the conflict, in which EW units were hardly used. Including for this reason, the Russian Air Force lost a number of Su-25 and Tu-22М3 combat aircraft.

The principle of the station "Krasuha", as well as any means of EW, is to implement a set of actions, during which the directional impact of radio emissions (radio interference) on electronic communications, control systems and intelligence of a potential enemy. These actions are being taken to change the quality of military information circulating in them, to protect their own units from a similar impact from the enemy, and also to change the properties of the propagation medium of radio waves.

Information has already appeared that the 1L269 “Krasukha-2” station will be exported, the station's model in April 2013 was presented in the KRET showroom (radio electronic technology concern). Most likely, this station was created in view of the suppression of AWACS-type surveillance radars, flying radars, like the American E-8 Joint Star, as well as modern UAVs, such as the Predator and Global Hawk.

The state tests of the radioelectronic counter stations 1L269 "Krasukha-2" and 1RL257 "Krasukha-4" were completed in the 2009 year. Externally, these machines are similar to conventional radars, which are mounted on the car chassis BAZ-6910-022, wheel formula 8-X8. The cab of this car is equipped with means of protection against microwave radiation. It has an independent OH-32D-24 air heater and Webasto CC4E electric air conditioning. The Krasukha complex itself is a hardware module with an antenna post and a large parabolic antenna. Antenna rotating (rotate 360 degrees). The parabolic antenna of the complex is controlled by the elevation angle.

Electronic countermeasure and electronic intelligence systems, such as Krasukha, are high-tech solutions. Independent military experts believe that the creation of such complexes is a major breakthrough in the creation of highly effective means of struggle. The main task entrusted to these complexes is the effective defense of troops and stationary objects from the enemy’s high-precision weapons, as well as its carriers, target designation and detection systems. Nowadays, when the share of high-precision weapons and radio electronics in the army increases, this is a rather urgent task. In addition, the creation of such systems can give impetus to the development of the entire Russian radio-electronic industry.

Independent military expert Anton Lavrov, in an interview with Izvestia, noted that the Krasuha complex should be used to solve tasks at the operational-tactical level, but the decision to use the complex is issued by the General Staff. That is, this kind of complex will not be part of the usual brigades and combined-arms armies. “Krasuha” is a means of complex amplification in the most important areas and areas where there is a great risk of the onset of a major conflict. According to experts, the effective range of the complexes will be from 150 to 300 km. These weapons systems are not used to fight the bandit underground and the rebels, this invention is intended to counter the enemy with high-tech weapons.

Modifications:

Station 1L269 "Krasukha-2" is a REP station, as well as a unified ground jamming module, which is designed to protect various types of objects from aviation Radar. Can be used in the orders of electronic warfare battalions.

Station 1RL257 "Krasuha-4" is a wide-band station of powerful noise interference, as well as a multifunctional ground-based interference module. The main purpose is to cover stationary objects from multi-purpose radar systems of enemy strike aircraft, from onboard radar radar reconnaissance of E-8C aircraft, reconnaissance, impact and reconnaissance UAVs Predator and Global Hawk, as well as Lacrosse radar satellites.

Information sources:
-http: //militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-737.html
-http: //vpk.name/news/88770_minoboronyi_poluchilo_glushilku_sputnikovshpionov.html
-http: //www.lenta.ru/news/2013/04/24/krasuha/
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org
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  1. Kuzkin Batyan
    Kuzkin Batyan April 26 2013 07: 26
    0
    incomprehensible to the common man. Will it be able to suppress the channels through which drones work or not within a radius of 300 km? And can it suppress the GPS signal?
    1. Professor
      Professor April 26 2013 07: 53
      +5
      Will be able to suppress the existing radar (and only) UAVs. GPS has nothing to do with it.
      1. Canep
        Canep April 26 2013 10: 46
        +1
        Professor and the Americans have an analogue to this complex?
        1. Professor
          Professor April 26 2013 12: 45
          0
          Professor and the Americans have an analogue to this complex?

          In general, their electronic warfare system is not advertised, well, and who should they score? In addition to themselves and their allies, such equipment (I'm not sure about the satellites, I can check it) has not been deployed by anyone. Then the radar is just one of the UAV sensors.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv April 26 2013 12: 50
            +3
            In general, their electronic warfare system is not advertised, well, and who should they score?

            As far as I know, they have strong air and naval electronic warfare. And with ground not really. On the contrary, we have a strong ground-based electronic warfare and RTR
            1. Professor
              Professor April 26 2013 12: 54
              +1
              There, the entire electronic warfare is at its best, it is not in vain that the competition for the Faculty of Radio Electronics is in second place after medical.
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv April 26 2013 12: 57
                +3
                There, all the electronic warfare is at a height

                Your opinion my friends have another. So here xs they only meet in battle, God forbid. Some figs both ours and them only at the training grounds under special supervision all include.
                PS And why you rolled in the negative
                ZYY I am going to ride a bike to a place where there is a lot of sand, advise lubricants for the chain. (possible in drugs)
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 26 2013 13: 08
                  +6
                  PS And why you rolled in the negative

                  for Assad laughing
                  ZYY I am going to ride a bike to a place where there is a lot of sand, advise lubricants for the chain. (possible in drugs)

                  Here I will be categorical, only "dry" lubricant based on hexane, paraffin, etc. In retail it is called white lightening. It does not get dirty, nothing sticks to it and it self-cleaning itself from dust and sand. I'm in the desert with only this one. good
                  http://www.whitelightningco.com/
                  1. leon-iv
                    leon-iv April 26 2013 13: 12
                    +4
                    By the way, I learned what kind of contest we have in Mozhaika in St. Petersburg, I thought a lot ...
                    Gynecologists / lawyers and other MSU doctors nervously smoke aside.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor April 26 2013 13: 16
                      0
                      It is interesting to know, otherwise I am only aware of the damned West.
                      1. leon-iv
                        leon-iv April 26 2013 13: 31
                        +2
                        The last set was from 35-40 people per place.
                        This year, even more will be said up to 50.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor April 26 2013 13: 42
                        +1
                        And what faculty and specialty?
                        Military Institute of the Academy (topographic):
                        - cartography; *
                        - astronogeodesy;
                        - aerial photo geodesy.

                        Faculty of "Designs of launch vehicles and spacecraft":
                        - spacecraft and booster blocks;
                        - rocket science;
                        - launch and technical complexes of rockets and spacecraft;
                        - ballistics;
                        - cryogenic technology and thermostatic systems for rockets and spacecraft

                        Faculty of Control Systems and Computer Engineering:
                        - aircraft control systems;
                        - computers, complexes, systems and networks;
                        - software of computer technology and automated systems;
                        - automation of technological processes and production;
                        - optical and optoelectronic means of spacecraft.

                        Faculty of Radio Electronics:
                        - radio engineering and optoelectronic systems of space complexes and single time services;
                        - airborne radio systems of spacecraft and launch vehicles;
                        - electronic warfare;
                        - information management complexes of electronic systems.

                        Faculty "Engineering":
                        - technical systems and life support systems;
                        - power supply
                        Faculty of "Collection and processing of information":
                        - optoelectronic devices and systems;
                        - meteorology;
                        - computer security;
                        - information systems and technologies;
                        - electronic systems;
                        - integrated electronic systems;
                        - electronic devices and devices.

                        Faculty of Automated Control and Communication Systems:
                        - technical support of automated control systems;
                        - networks, communications and switching systems;
                        - automated information processing and management systems
                      3. leon-iv
                        leon-iv April 26 2013 13: 55
                        +1
                        I know about communications and electronics. Classmates there drove back in the winter, they chose guys from the 4th year to take on military practice. They say the guys are extremely big-headed.
                      4. GEO
                        GEO April 26 2013 20: 11
                        +4
                        professor shpien?
              2. Vadivak
                Vadivak April 26 2013 13: 29
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                PS And why you rolled in the negative


                Come along more often
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg April 27 2013 09: 34
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        In general, their electronic warfare system is not advertised, well, and who should they score?


        Russian satellites, who else ...
  2. Vashestambid
    Vashestambid April 26 2013 14: 27
    0
    It’s interesting, but what complex is this OShs included in, brigade or army? request
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv April 26 2013 14: 49
      0
      Army and is part of the RTR / EW brigade of direct subordination. In general, a thing in itself and not for a wide range of people.
  3. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg April 27 2013 09: 33
    +2
    Can suppress GPS. There is nothing different from radar jamming in this.
    1. Professor
      Professor April 27 2013 09: 42
      -4
      Quote: Geisenberg
      Can suppress GPS. There is nothing different from radar jamming in this.

      It can, if it takes off and broadcasts between the satellite and the UAV.
  • Explore
    Explore April 26 2013 08: 01
    +1
    Theoretically, yes, practically - it all depends on the security of the data transmission channel (UAV control channel). However, if the Persians succeeded with their antediluvian equipment, I think it will not be difficult for us.
    1. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq April 26 2013 09: 08
      +5
      Do you seriously think that Iran has intercepted high-tech super-super-stealth inconspicuous US drones with its own means? laughingAnd so to speak, the "lack of involvement" of the RA RF by drones lies in their vulnerability, yes, they are effective against natives with Kalash and carts, but in a saturated air defense field, and even with jammers, they all land on Kubinka, Engels, etc. drinks
      1. report4
        report4 April 26 2013 11: 40
        +2
        There was no takeover of control. There are quite complex channel encryption algorithms. "Avtobaza" simply "blinded" them by clogging the channel, after which they planned to land.
        1. Professor
          Professor April 26 2013 12: 42
          0
          "Avtobaza" simply "blinded" them by clogging the canal, after which they planned to land.

          And this was not the case. The "carpool", firstly, does not have enough power for white noise, and secondly, no one knows what frequencies and when to jam.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv April 26 2013 12: 48
            +1
            Damn the people hand litzo Motor depot is a means of intelligence but not suppression
            that's what she does
            - angular coordinates (azimuth, elevation);

            - radar class (UO, BO, OPMV);

            - number of the private range of operation according to the lettering of the jamming stations SPN-2, SPN-4.
          2. beard999
            beard999 April 26 2013 17: 44
            +5
            Quote: Professor
            The "carpool" firstly does not have enough power for white noise

            And here is the “white noise" and "Carpool"?
            1L222 is an IRTR station. In the USSR / RF Armed Forces, it itself did not work, but was part of the mobile automated complex of powerful noise interference 1L248. The complex was reduced to a separate battalion, which included an automated command post of the battalion 1L214M (1 set) and 3 companies, each of which contains: 1 set of the automated command post of the company 1L215M, 6 stations of powerful noise interference SPN-4 (1L248-4) , 3 SPN-2 stations (1L248-2), 1 set of Avtobaza (1L222) executive passive radio intelligence reconnaissance complex and 1 1P19 Console control and repair station. The battalion provided effective cover from radio-emitting aerial reconnaissance and destruction of enemy enemy anti-aircraft forces, a spatial zone measuring 150 x 150 km. At the same time, it provides reliable suppression of simultaneously up to 50-60 on-board sources of aircraft operating on radiation, flying at any speed, from any direction, at altitudes from 30 m to 30000 m and ranges up to 150 km. Executive radio intelligence station 1L222 Avtobaza provides a circular view of the space. It works in automatic mode, performing a passive search for radiating targets with uniform circular rotation of the antenna system. The station is broadband and non-search in frequency. The entire operating frequency range is overlapped by three subbands A, B and C. The detection of radio emissions is carried out simultaneously in all subbands. 1L222 provides identification of reconnaissance targets by the radiation parameters of the electronic equipment placed on them. Determination of the angular coordinates, parameters and class of radio emissions is carried out by a packet of signals received during the observation of the target. The processed information is transmitted in real time to the command and control station. SPN-2 and SPN-4 can produce noise (masking) quasi-continuous interference, noise impact (corresponding to the spectrum of the received radio pulse) interference, noise response interference (suppression of radio emissions with the tuning of the carrier frequency from pulse to pulse). Radio emission suppression is carried out both during slow tuning of carrier frequencies and during tuning of carrier frequency from pulse to pulse at pulse repetition frequencies up to 5 kHz. The width of the spectrum of the obstruction noise can be expanded up to the width of the range of operation of the interference station. Stations have an effective radiated interference power of 450 and 580 kW, respectively.
            In the early 2000s. "Vector" and "Quantum" modernized the complex. Its characteristics were not disclosed. It is known that, in particular, the Avtobaza-M ИРТР now has a significantly increased range (up to 400 km) and an expanded range of operating frequencies, and the power of emitted interference is increased on SPN-2/4.
            Nevertheless, is it possible to land the RQ-1 with the help of 248L170, as the Iranians did, the question, in my opinion, is still open ...
            1. Professor
              Professor April 26 2013 22: 22
              -2
              1. How is it with the optical GOS on Spike? wink
              2.
              Radio emission suppression is carried out both during slow tuning of carrier frequencies and during tuning of carrier frequency from pulse to pulse at pulse repetition frequencies up to 5 kHz. The width of the spectrum of the obstruction noise can be expanded up to the width of the range of operation of the interference station. Stations have an effective radiated interference power of 450 and 580 kW, respectively.

              That is the whole point. Communication with UAVs can be drowned out in two ways. White noise the entire spectrum, or each specific frequency. With the first method, the problem is, there is not enough power, and even drowning out everything, also drown out for yourself. With the second method there are even more problems, a useful signal jumps from frequency to frequency hundreds of times per second in an encrypted sequence. It is not possible to crack the cipher (100 years is an eternity).
              3.
              Nevertheless, is it possible to land the RQ-1 with the help of 248L170, as the Iranians did, the question, in my opinion, is still open ...

              The Iranians did not plant anyone, especially "neatly" (I have already posted a photo of a broken UAV), papelats himself fell.
              1. beard999
                beard999 April 27 2013 18: 27
                +4
                Quote: Professor
                How is it with the optical seeker on Spike?

                What are you talking about? What kind of "optical seeker on Spike" did you manage to detect? Did I miss something?
                Quote: Professor
                With the first method, the problem is not enough power

                Continuous demagogy, and not any specifics. Another snowstorm from the crow's bark. Curiously, you can name a specific figure - what kind of power (in your opinion) would be needed to drown out the "whole spectrum"? It's even funny, honestly ...
                Quote: Professor
                With the second method there are even more problems, a useful signal jumps from frequency to frequency hundreds of times per second in an encrypted sequence

                And again demagoguery. Facts where? Name a specific LHC (give a link) on which "a useful signal jumps from frequency to frequency hundreds of times per second in an encrypted sequence." Can you? Specify the frequency range specifically.
                Quote: Professor
                The Iranians did not plant anyone, especially "neatly" (I have already posted a photo of a broken UAV), papelats himself fell

                It is possible that the Iranians did not “sit”, but someone else ... I don’t know. And about the fact that the RQ-170 itself fell - selective nonsense. When they really fall, in the form in which the Persians showed it, you can’t assemble the device. This UAV is high-altitude - it crashed (it would have detonated the fuel), there would have been nothing to collect there. Especially considering the fact that this happened in a mountainous region (in the Kashmer region). So do not compose.
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 27 2013 21: 32
                  -4
                  What kind of "optical seeker on Spike" did you manage to detect? Did I miss something?

                  And who claimed it
                  There is no official source of information about the presence of an optical guidance channel on Spike-ER. So there’s nothing to argue with.
                  Stooped up? wink And links to official sources and a video accidentally did not notice? It happens. laughing
                  Here you have a blizzard in a crow's bark. There really is nothing to argue with you. hi
                  1. beard999
                    beard999 April 28 2013 00: 43
                    +3
                    Quote: Professor
                    Here you have a blizzard in a crow's bark. There really is nothing to argue with you.

                    You demonstrate absolutely shameless discussion. In that topic (April 13), it turns out you still answered me, to my last post. Although in the penultimate message, they stated that “refrain from further conversation.” It turns out that your words do not mean much ... You still answered. That's just your post, I saw only today. They themselves are to blame.
                    Now to the point. You learned the materiel bad. The abbreviation CCD says only one thing - the presence in the control system of a CCD matrix (charge-coupled device). The fact that there are infrared CCD, have never heard of? And the fact that they from this do not cease to be optical-electronic devices, do not you guess? What are digital night vision devices (Night Vision Devices) based on CCDs you don’t know the same? And then "at long distances it is necessary to use CCDs highly sensitive in the infrared region", you didn’t read the link http://www.smedvedem.ru/pages/993/?
                    Not specifically, regarding the Spike-ER missile control system, I will not argue. Since, official sources do not provide any details on how the guidance system is arranged (except for the presence of CCD / IIR sensors in it). If you want to believe that there is an “optical” channel on a rocket, believe it. But, two points:
                    1. Firstly, if there is an optical channel (day vision), then it has nothing to do with the matrix GOS missile, which exactly implements, so your favorite “shot-forgot”. This field of vision is used for MANUAL rocket correction. This is not a GOS. And if the channel is optical (as you say), then in this case it is impossible to correct the rocket at night, in difficult weather conditions, with organized and natural interference. Curious, do you agree with that?
                    2. Even the presence of this (optical) channel on an Israeli rocket doesn’t change what I said about the “Cape” and its analogues. Autonomous guidance on the "Spike-ER" is provided only using the matrix seeker (IIR). Camouflage material covers the range of Spike gos. Your optical channel (if any) you can use only with manual guidance of the rocket. In addition, the ancient "Cape" works against the optical and IR ranges (0,4 ... 1,5 microns) and reduces the "probability of detection by day and night devices and sights, television systems, GOS is reduced to 30%" http: / /www.niistali.ru/security/2010-07-05-08-58-15?start=1.
                    But you still learn the materiel. At least what is publicly available. Here, not a black crow. Any snowstorm skips there - the main thing is to say: in Israel everything is super, but in Russia everything. And no evidence is required. The kids there are happy and the monkey will tumble. But here, such a policy will not work. Otherwise, you will always be “satisfied with your negative rating” ...
                    1. Professor
                      Professor April 28 2013 08: 22
                      -6
                      Not specifically, regarding the Spike-ER missile control system, I will not argue.

                      What? They poked you with your nose and suddenly you lost all your fervor?

                      If you want to believe that there is an “optical” channel on a rocket, believe it.

                      Facts and material evidence speak of this.

                      if there is an optical channel (day vision), then it doesn’t have any relation to the matrix GOS missiles, which it implements, so your favorite “shot-forgot”

                      How much can demagoguery be? Not tired of yourself? I presented to you a video clip from the GOS (yes, it is the GOS, the other is not there) that I presented where the missile in the OPTICAL range is aimed at the target. You rubbed that on Spike-ER this is not and they pushed the sea of ​​mine-paste. Received?

                      Here you have the materiel, learn and enjoy (although personally you can continue to consider that it is a thermal, not an optical image). laughing

                      But you still learn the materiel. At least what is publicly available. Here, not a black crow. Any snowstorm skips there - the main thing is to say: in Israel everything is super, but in Russia everything. And no evidence is required. The kids there are happy and the monkey will tumble. But here, such a policy will not work. Otherwise, you will always be “satisfied with your negative rating” ...

                      Again the lyrics. You don’t know how to keep a punch; this is a fact. wink
                    2. beard999
                      beard999 April 28 2013 13: 34
                      +6
                      Quote: Professor
                      They poked you with your nose and suddenly you lost all your fervor?

                      You professor will never be able to “poke me”, due to your lack of proper knowledge on the topic (and not only this, unfortunately). All of them are based on your own fantasies and stories that they compose on the crow's bark, and then you are replicated on Russian resources. And for those who are flooded to the very top, I explain again that I do not argue about the Spike-ER guidance system, as the developer himself does not provide any details on it, except for the presence of a matrix GOS in the control system and the presence of a charge-coupled device. How it all works no details. And I, unlike you, do not intend to engage in fantasies. Explained your position easily? Or do you still need to chew?
                      Quote: Professor
                      Facts and material evidence talk about it.

                      Exclusively your own interpretation of "facts" and "material evidence", based only on faith ...
                      Quote: Professor
                      Received?

                      I wrote to you for good reason that you didn’t study the hardware. Autonomous guidance on the target is carried out exclusively with the help of a matrix thermal imaging seeker when it captures the target before launch. Your “optical” channel does not participate in this and cannot do it. The “optical” (or rather, then the fiber-optic data transmission channel) is not part of the GOS, it is part of the ATGM control system. And this is elementary knowledge, which you completely lack. This channel allows the operator to observe the target through the rocket from the start until the moment it hits, and also, if necessary, make corrections in the MANUAL (with all the attendant) mode. No self-guidance in the “optical” mode is possible. Your video shows exactly this - first the GOS captures one stationary target, then the operator replaces it with another, similar one. But at the same time, autonomous guidance is realized, which is carried out using a matrix GOS. No, well, don’t believe me, ask on the crow bark in the end ...
                      Quote: Professor
                      continue to assume that it is a thermal, not an optical image

                      Your naivety just rolls over. Come on, get out of the sandbox. Here is the image http://www.silar.ru/gallery/s3x-2.html. It is completely "daytime", "optical". Indistinguishable from your picture. Here is just this image from the CCD matrix made on the image intensifier tube (I hope you know what it is) http://www.silar.ru/produce2.html. Those. it is a charge-coupled optoelectronic infrared device. Learn materiel, professor, learn. You should definitely do this, less often you will sit in a puddle ...
                      Quote: Professor
                      You don’t know how to hold

                      What a blow there. Baby talk. In general, it’s strange to read from you like that. You yourself just recently wept in a waistcoat, complaining about your “negative rating”, and diligently pretending that it doesn’t bother you at all. As if you, whoever you are, can deceive here.
                    3. Professor
                      Professor April 28 2013 14: 01
                      -5
                      God, how much text.
                      You yourself just recently wept in a waistcoat, complaining about your “negative rating”, and diligently pretending that it doesn’t bother you at all. As if you, whoever you are, can deceive here.

                      I repeat once again, virtual shoulder straps are for people like you, I have real ones.

                      You professor will never be able to “poke me”, due to your lack of proper knowledge on the topic (and not only this, unfortunately).

                      Didn't you write this?
                      Those. Do you insist that in addition to the thermal imaging GOS, there is some other GOS on the Spike-ER? OK. Give a link to the information that there are more than one GOS on Spike.
                      And this?
                      There is no official source of information about the presence of an optical guidance channel on Spike-ER. So there’s nothing to argue with.
                      A video clip and links to the manufacturer indicate the presence of an optical channel of ignorance, and not just thermal. Such is it a cavalry reality. laughing

                      Exclusively your own interpretation of "facts" and "material evidence", based only on faith ...

                      The video did not convince, links to the manufacturer too. Well, I'm sorry, Mei does not have invoices. fellow

                      Autonomous guidance on the target is carried out exclusively with the help of a matrix thermal imaging seeker when it captures the target before launch. Your “optical” channel does not participate in this and cannot do it.

                      Are you sharing your fantasies? Did they tell you in Rafael? wink

                      No self-guidance in the “optical” mode is possible.

                      Blah blah blah. Any evidence?

                      But at the same time, autonomous guidance is realized, which is carried out using a matrix GOS.

                      Yeah, CCD in the visible spectrum.

                      Less respected lyrics and more facts. hi
                    4. beard999
                      beard999 April 29 2013 14: 56
                      +3
                      Quote: Professor
                      virtual shoulder straps this is for people like you, I have real

                      Honestly, I don’t really care about your Tsakhalov “epaulets”. You are on the Russian resource and here you are minus. You diligently pretend that it does not bother you much. Nevertheless, you do not leave the resource (do not think that I want this - in any case). So topwar.ru is something important to you. In this case, your alleged indifference to the minuses is clearly false.
                      Quote: Professor
                      Didn't you write this?

                      I wrote. But, you really don’t understand the difference between the guidance system and the GOS missile itself? On "Spike-ER" in the circuit of the seeker, there is no optical channel that provides homing. No! But only the GOS implements autonomous guidance on the target (what distinguishes complexes of the third generation). Optoelectronic device (which you absolutely unprovenly consider optical, thereby reducing the capabilities of "Spike-ER") is just a channel for monitoring the phono-target environment and MANUAL correction. But this is not GOS. She cannot memorize the “picture” and perform autonomous guidance, as is done by the matrix seeker (which is designated IIR - Imagine Infra-Red). That is why, not a single official source calls the GOS “Spike” two-spectral (optical thermal imaging, in your interpretation). No one! And your video demonstrates precisely the guidance of the rocket in the “Fire, Observe and Update” mode (autonomous guidance with corrections and observations), when an optoelectronic device (camera) with a CCD sensor transmits an image through the wok to the operator’s CLU. No more or no less.
                      When will you finally understand this, in the end?
                      Quote: Professor
                      Did they tell you in Rafael?

                      Good question, really. Here, for example, much more information is known about how GOS is arranged on the American Javelin ATGM and European ATGW / LR than on the Israeli Spike. I wonder why Rafael is embarrassed to give details ...
                      Quote: Professor
                      Any evidence?

                      Those. I still have to refute your fantasies? Professor, let's not be impudent. OK? You came up with an “optical seeker” on Spike. Here you prove it. And better, try to understand what the GOS is, what the control system is, and in the end to understand that the picture from the IR CCD matrix is ​​no different from what is shown in the video.
                      Quote: Professor
                      Less respected lyrics and more facts.

                      Well, you are not friends with the facts. What can I do? You are engaged in their interpretation, and in the absence of information, you begin to openly fantasize. I believe, such as you, in principle it is impossible to convince.
                    5. Professor
                      Professor April 29 2013 15: 36
                      -4
                      In this case, your alleged indifference to the minuses is clearly false.

                      It turns out that you are also a priest and a telepath, you can see my shoulder straps in the closet. How many stars did you see? wink

                      She cannot memorize the “picture” and perform autonomous guidance, as is done by the matrix seeker (which is designated IIR - Imagine Infra-Red).

                      OBS?

                      I wonder why Rafael is embarrassed to give details ...

                      But this doesn’t stop you from gogolasno to state:
                      Autonomous target guidance is carried out only using the matrix thermal imaging seeker when it captures the target before launch. Your “optical” channel does not participate in this and cannot do it.

                      No self-guidance in the “optical” mode is possible.

                      We will not see evidence of such allegations? Did I understand correctly?

                      Optoelectronic device (which you completely unprovenly consider optical

                      Have you read what you wrote? Do you think an optical-electronic device is mechanical, chemical, or biological, but not optical? lol

                      On "Spike-ER" in the circuit of the seeker, there is no optical channel that provides homing.

                      fool
                      Explain to such ignoramus how am I what is Electro-optic CCD or dual (CCD / IIR) sensors, CCD (which in your opinion is not an optical device and the fact that it converts photons does not make it optical wink ) they themselves can’t cope, so they still provide for GOS with CCD and IIR (which, in your opinion, is not an optical device, infrared light is not light at all)?

                      Spike-ER uses a day seeker or day / night seeker- You can explain it to me at once, here’s day and here you are day / night. And the last question, what will the GOS do in English (in the very one in which Rafael prints its booklets)? Do you know?

                      http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/332-893-en/Marketing.aspx
                      http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/SIP_STORAGE/FILES/3/463.pdf
                    6. Professor
                      Professor April 29 2013 16: 44
                      -2
                      Diagonal 8mm (Type 1/2) CCD Image Sensor for EIA B / W Video Cameras
                      Here is an example of the most common Sony CCD that stands on millions of camcorders and cameras around the world, if you have a digital camera, then most likely it has a similar sensor even if the camera itself is not Sony. Let's look at the spectral sensitivity of the camera on page 16. The wavelength is along the X axis, and the relative sensitivity along the Y axis. Pay attention to the magnitude of the wavelength, it goes far beyond the visible spectrum and reacts to infrared light. So, if I put this sensor on a rocket, and also put a filter that transmits only infrared light, this sensor will not suddenly become a thermal imager, but only IIR, that is, it will remain an optical device. So understandable?
                    7. beard999
                      beard999 April 30 2013 15: 34
                      +3
                      Quote: Professor
                      You are also a priest and a telepath

                      Yes, do not be a "telepath". What do you. You said about shoulder straps. Does memory fail?
                      Quote: Professor
                      OBS?

                      That is, if the official source does not provide information about the "optical seeker" that can carry out autonomous guidance on the target, then this is your OBS? And your amateurish, unproven conjectures, is this the ultimate truth?
                      Quote: Professor
                      But it doesn’t stop you from proving

                      Of course it does. Do not understand why? Because matrix GOS implementing autonomous guidance are known. Its presence on all missiles of the Spike families is not denied by anyone. There is an American and European analogue (extreme, by the way, also CCD / IIR), how the capture of a target is carried out before launch on such GOS is also understandable.
                      Quote: Professor
                      We will not see evidence of such allegations?

                      Does your pathos indicate that you can prove the presence of a similar GOS (optical thermal imaging) on ​​Spike-ER? Well, prove it. I’ll simplify the task for you. Find a confirming source (any, not from the forum or blog), which says about the presence in the rocket of the Spike-ER complex double-mode (dual-mode GOS) capable of autonomous (!!!) guidance to the target in both modes. And I, quickly and bluntly write - I was wrong, and you were right. Not difficult, right? Go ahead.
                      Quote: Professor
                      Optoelectronic device according to your mechanical

                      Do we start durku? Are you pretending that you do not understand the difference between an optical device capable of working only in daytime mode and a device made on an image intensifier tube (IR)? You at least go to the English-language wiki and read how Spike guidance systems are described: Infrared homing - Electro Optical (CCD, IR or Dual CCD / IIR), Passive CCD or dual CCD / IIR seeker. For Infrared homing - Electro Optical, do you need a translation?
                      Quote: Professor
                      Explain to such an ignoramus like me

                      Well, as explained already in previous posts. How much can you repeat?
                      Quote: Professor
                      And the last question

                      As far as I know, there is no direct translation of the Russian “homing head” into English. “Seeker” is a much broader interpretation than the Russian concept of GOS itself.

                      Professor, you don’t notice that you are having a conversation in the form of my interrogation? Is it weak for you, directly, in Russian, to describe the GOS and the Spike-ER management system as a whole? Will you pull?
                    8. Professor
                      Professor April 30 2013 22: 37
                      -3
                      Yes, do not be a "telepath". What do you. You said about shoulder straps. Does memory fail?

                      Sums up. Something I don’t remember saying that they are Tsakhalevsky ...

                      Find a confirming source (any, not from the forum or blog), which says about the presence in the rocket of the Spike-ER complex double-mode (dual-mode seeker)

                      You see, in English it is not customary to say "double-mode", as they usually say about a double bed. It is customary to say "dual mode" or simply "dual". wink You try google write double-mode seeker he will immediately offer you in return dual mode seeker and even offer a picture. For example: Lockheed Martin Demonstrates JAGM Dual-Mode Seeker In High-Speed ​​Captive Flight Tests. And what do you think the Dual-Mode Seeker on this rocket means? In my opinion, this means a dual-mode seeker.

                      Are you pretending that you do not understand the difference between an optical device capable of working only in daytime mode and a device made on an image intensifier tube (IR)?

                      Imagine, they turn out to be both optical instruments and infrared light turns out to be light too (see the Sony CCD chart above).

                      You at least go to the English-language wiki

                      You can see where you get the information. sad

                      As far as I know, there is no direct translation of the Russian “homing head” into English. “Seeker” is a much broader interpretation than the Russian concept of GOS itself.

                      You know poorly, the GOS in English (you won’t argue that the English-speaking comrades do not have a GOS?) Will be the seeker. Well, they are stupid. fool

                      And now that you have mastered English in general and the meaning of words seeker и dual try translating Electro-optic CCD or dual (CCD / IIR) sensors and day seeker or day / night seeker.

                      And the question of backfill (I don’t hope for an answer, but still I’ll try), is it possible for a simple CCD with relative (I guess why it is relative?) Spectral sensitivity to be seen both in daylight and in infrared light, does it make it a thermal imager or does it remains an old optical device? hi
                    9. beard999
                      beard999 1 May 2013 15: 24
                      0
                      quote = professor] Something I don’t remember saying that they are Tsakhalevsky [/ quote]
                      Have you still served after AOI?
                      [quote = professor] You see, in English it is not customary to say "double-mode" [/ quote]
                      As applied to the dual-mode GOS, the “dual” is not very suitable. "Dual" - consisting of two parts. This is correct for Spike. But it does not apply to multi-mode GOS. Do not you think that the newspaper men, according to your links, simply clumsily expressed themselves? Moreover, JAGM is a tri-mode seeker - tri-mode seeker http://www.army-technology.com/news/newsus-army-awards-jagm-continued-technology
                      -development-contract. Nevertheless, about “Spike” with “dual-mode” (in any translation) GOS, I have not found a single word anywhere.
                      [quote = professor] Imagine, they are both optical devices and infrared light is also light [/ quote]
                      Imagine. And for a long time. And I wrote to you about this more than once. In Russia, infrared sights on image intensifiers are designated precisely as optoelectronic. For example, http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/234/2349860.html.
                      [quote = professor] It is visible where you get the information [/ quote]
                      And with what part of the description of the guidance system on the wiki regarding “Spike” do you disagree? Where is there no accuracy?
                      [quote = professor] You know poorly, GOS in English will be exactly seeker [/ quote]
                      This is you "badly know." I wrote to you above that there is no direct analogue to the translation of GOS (homing) in English. The English seeker is a broader interpretation than the GOS itself, in the Russian sense. For example: "The Exploitation of DGPS for Guidance Enhancement (EDGE) program of the US army has developed a 2000 lb glide bomb, which uses a GPS seeker rather than a Laser for guidance" http://www.gisdevelopment.net/technology/ gps / techgp0048a.htm. And what kind of GPS is the GPS? This is called a guidance system (control) in our country. But by no means a GOS. And in English all seeker. In addition to knowing English, you should also learn the terminology.
                      [quote = professor] try translating Electro-optic CCD or dual (CCD / IIR) sensors and day seeker or day / night seeker [/ quote]
                      It will not work without you. Will you help? Let me now interrogate you: 1. What do you think the sentence “or” means in yours? Not “and”, mind you, namely “or”. Speech about two types of missiles, with two different guidance systems? 2. Where is it said about the dual-mode seeker (double-mode / dual mode seeker)? 3. How is autonomous guidance in the optical channel? Is this a DSMAC? Television assisted guidance system? Something other? 4. Why is CCD, IR (charge-coupled device, infrared) indicated in the guidance system? Name any analogue of a similar GOS on any other missiles where autonomous guidance is implemented.
                    10. beard999
                      beard999 1 May 2013 15: 28
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      Something I don’t remember saying that they are Tsakhalevsky

                      Have you still served after AOI?
                      Quote: Professor
                      it is not customary to say "double-mode" in English

                      As applied to the dual-mode GOS, the “dual” is not very suitable. "Dual" - consisting of two parts. This is correct for Spike. But it does not apply to multi-mode GOS. Do not you think that the newspaper men, according to your links, simply clumsily expressed themselves? Moreover, JAGM is a tri-mode seeker - tri-mode seeker http://www.army-technology.com/news/newsus-army-awards-jagm-continued-technology
                      -development-contract. Nevertheless, about “Spike” with “dual-mode” (in any translation) GOS, I have not found a single word anywhere.
                      Quote: Professor
                      Imagine

                      Imagine. And for a long time. And I wrote to you about this more than once. In Russia, infrared sights on image intensifiers are designated precisely as optoelectronic. For example, http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/234/2349860.html.
                      Quote: Professor
                      You can see where you get information

                      And with what part of the description of the guidance system on the wiki regarding “Spike” do you disagree? Where is there no accuracy?
                      Quote: Professor
                      You know poorly, GOS in English (it will be seeker

                      This is you "badly know." I wrote to you above that there is no direct analogue to the translation of GOS (homing) in English. The English seeker is a broader interpretation than the GOS itself, in the Russian sense. For example: "The Exploitation of DGPS for Guidance Enhancement (EDGE) program of the US army has developed a 2000 lb glide bomb, which uses a GPS seeker rather than a Laser for guidance" http://www.gisdevelopment.net/technology/ gps / techgp0048a.htm. And what kind of GPS is the GPS? This is called a guidance system (control) in our country. But by no means a GOS. And in English all seeker. In addition to knowing English, you should also learn the terminology.
                      Quote: Professor
                      try translating Electro-optic CCD or dual (CCD / IIR) sensors and day seeker or day / night seeker

                      It will not work without you. Will you help? Let me now interrogate you: 1. What do you think the sentence “or” means in yours? Not “and”, mind you, namely “or”. Speech about two types of missiles, with two different guidance systems? 2. Where is it said about the dual-mode seeker (double-mode / dual mode seeker)? 3. How is autonomous guidance in the optical channel? Is this a DSMAC? Television assisted guidance system? Something other? 4. Why is CCD, IR (charge-coupled device, infrared) indicated in the guidance system? Name any analogue of a similar GOS on any other missiles where autonomous guidance is implemented.
                    11. Professor
                      Professor 1 May 2013 16: 28
                      -3
                      Have you still served after AOI?

                      Stop fantasizing, I wrote somewhere that I served in the IDF?

                      As applied to the dual-mode GOS, the “dual” is not very suitable.

                      That is what it is called. I can give you a couple more examples and GOS JAGM can be either two or three modes.
                      http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_08_27_2012_p27-48885

                      7.xml
                      http://www.techreleased.com/military/lockheed-martin-demonstrates-jagm-dual-mode

                      -seeker-in-high-speed-captive-flight-tests /

                      Nevertheless, about the “Spike” with the “dual-mode” (in any translation) GOS, I have not found a single word anywhere.

                      And you do not look in the translation, but look at the developer's site. He says so: dual.

                      I wrote to you above that there is no direct analogue of the translation of GOS (homing head) in English

                      I hope you will not argue that when they want to say GOS in English they use the word seeker. A link to the dictionary or a couple of examples of manufacturers to throw off?

                      It is a pity that they could not translate Electro-optic CCD or dual (CCD / IIR) sensors and day seeker or day / night seeker crying

                      1. What do you think means “or” in your sentence? Not “and”, mind you, namely “or”. Speech about two types of missiles, with two different guidance systems?

                      Thank God the ice has broken. Only not by guidance systems, but by the seeker. In both cases, the fired-forget-corrected missile

                      2. Where is it said about the dual-mode seeker (double-mode / dual mode seeker)?

                      dual (CCD / IIR) Why do they need two sensors? One CCD does not cope?

                      3. How is autonomous guidance in the optical channel? Is this a DSMAC? Television assisted guidance system? Something other?

                      As well as in thermal. There is no difference for a computer how a black-and-white picture was obtained from a thermal imager, CCD or CMOS. In the end, it is a matrix with eight bit information in each element (pixel). Correlation is carried out by means of a digital correlator (an optical correlator 4ph does not put on rockets of this class) working with distortion scale and invariant filters. There is nothing complicated in this, since no preliminary information is stored in the rocket's memory. She is not yet able to distinguish Merkava from the dump truck. She remembers the image indicated to her and follows it, taking into account distortions and zooming.

                      4. Why is CCD, IR (charge-coupled device, infrared) indicated in the guidance system?

                      And the question of backfill (I don’t hope for an answer, but still I’ll try), is it possible for a simple CCD with relative (I guess why it is relative?) Spectral sensitivity to be seen both in daylight and in infrared light, does it make it a thermal imager or does it remains an old optical device?
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                    13. beard999
                      beard999 2 May 2013 15: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      I wrote somewhere that he served in the IDF?

                      Why are you so embarrassed to admit that you are an Israeli citizen and served in the IDF? On the site, this is no secret to anyone.
                      Quote: Professor
                      That's what it's called

                      Accept dual-mode guidance as - dual mode seeker. Fundamentally, this does not change anything at all.
                      Quote: Professor
                      look at the developer's site

                      I look at the developer's site. Where is it written that this is a dual-mode seeker dual mode seeker? Mode where?
                      Quote: Professor
                      when they want to say GOS in English, they use the word seeker

                      "Seeker" is "consumed" even when there is no GOS. I gave you an example when a guidance system in guided armament that does not have a GOS is still called seeker.
                      Quote: Professor
                      It is a pity that they could not translate Electro-optic CCD or dual (CCD / IIR) sensors and day seeker or day / night seeker

                      And, actually, where is it from? Did you always link to the official site? It says: "Spike-ER uses a day seeker or day / night seeker." Now take and translate. Verbatim. In Russian. No interpretation.
                      Quote: Professor
                      In both cases the fired-forget-corrected rocket

                      Can you write directly? Is it about two different missiles? In one case, only day guidance, in the other case, day-night? So?
                      Quote: Professor
                      Why do they need two sensors? One CCD does not cope?

                      "Cope" CCD with the capture of targets at long ranges. Shooting in difficult weather conditions, in the conditions of any smoke, dust, when the adversary sets up optoelectronic interference, disguised objects (even “hot” ones and covered by an ordinary masked network). And homing (shot-forgot) with the capture of the target before the start is carried out by the matrix seeker. Otherwise, why do you think the matrix (!!!) GOS is used?
                      Quote: Professor
                      As in thermal

                      And your fantasies don't interest me. Link to a similar "optical seeker" give? This is not the first time I have been asking ...
                      Quote: Professor
                      And the question of backfill

                      Oh, professor, professor. These are all your “dreams” about “backfilling” ... You should have read me more carefully. I gave you a link twice, which says that "simple CCD" is used in NVD. I see, you just googled it the other day. And twice I wrote to you that for long ranges it is necessary to use highly sensitive matrices in the IR spectrum. The sight with a "simple CCD" in the NVD sees a maximum of 100-200 m.
                    14. Professor
                      Professor 2 May 2013 16: 07
                      -3
                      Why are you so embarrassed to admit that you are an Israeli citizen and served in the IDF? On the site, this is no secret to anyone.

                      Fantasy, fantasy ... As you always see, what was not written and what was not seen. sad

                      Accept dual-mode guidance as - dual mode seeker. Fundamentally, this does not change anything at all.

                      And the word mode is also not always applied, sometimes limited to dual.

                      And, actually, where is it from?

                      But actually this is from the links that I have already posted several times. fellow

                      In one case, only day guidance, in the other case, day-night? So?

                      Day - optical seeker, night thermal. On one rocket only daily (exclusively on CCD, which is the matrix by definition). On another rocket, day and night. I understand that you think that in the daytime in the desert they suggest a thermal image and continue to think so. Unlike you, I used a thermal imager and I know how the picture looks on it in the afternoon, even in very hot weather ..

                      "Cope" CCD with the capture of targets at long ranges.

                      And your fantasies don't interest me. Link ...

                      Otherwise, why do you think the matrix (!!!) GOS is used?

                      Yes, because CCD is the matrix, and digital spatial correlation works with matrices, not unit values ​​or vectors. Check out the wiki at least.

                      It was necessary to read me more carefully.

                      You are not careful. I repeat to you that even a simple commercial CCD is an OPTICAL device (which actually should have been proved) and is capable of working both in visible light and in infrared (see graph). Raphael does not buy sensors on the market, but makes exclusively on his own and their CCD is not "simple, but golden" but still OPTIC. And as far as you can see in their optical device, you can see the dozens of videos on the Internet. And the distance there will be more than 100-200 m.

                      You are no longer interesting to me. I haven’t learned anything new from you. I’ve seen all your mine pastes before. I'm not going to convince you of anything else. Consider me sergeant-major Tsahal and Spike in the desert in the afternoon using thermal GOS - I do not care. Unsubscribe from this news.
                    15. beard999
                      beard999 3 May 2013 15: 18
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      Fantasies, fantasies

                      It’s weak for you to directly write - I’m not a citizen of Israel, didn’t serve in IDF?
                      Quote: Professor
                      sometimes limited to dual

                      This designation changes the meaning. The developers themselves designate the same JAGM exactly as mode (though it’s still not dual as they write in the media about your links, namely tri-mode seeker, and yet ...). Here are the Raytheon links http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/jagm/, Lockheed Martin. Names it in the same way and "Janes". It’s just that I didn’t see any tri-seeker signs.
                      Quote: Professor
                      from the links that I have already spread several times

                      But this is not on the official site! It says "Spike-ER uses a day seeker or day / night seeker."
                      Quote: Professor
                      On a single rocket, only daily (exclusively on CCD

                      Where is the link to a similar "optical" GOS? Or its analogues? Why do we need a GOS which has so many limitations on its use when there is a matrix thermal imaging GOS?
                      Quote: Professor
                      Link ...

                      So I gave you a link. Twice!!! Cannot see a “simple CCD” at long ranges. Only with IR illuminator or through an image intensifier tube. And on "Spike-ER" the matrix of the 90th is applied. (since “Spike-ER” was adopted at that time). Those. it is neither the 4th nor the 5th or the 6th generation of the CCD. For digital NVDs with the best 6th generation Japanese CCD (Super CCD), even with a powerful laser illuminator and a 20x magnification, the detection range (not even recognition!) Is up to 2500 m. For Spike-ER from 8 km range, you need substantially more. And there are even no such matrices.
                      Quote: Professor
                      Yes, because CCD is the matrix

                      Demagogy. Learn what IIR is and why it is used in the third generation.
                      Quote: Professor
                      And as far as you can see in their optical device can be seen on those dozens of videos on the Internet

                      In which video is it said that these ranges are obtained on a "simple image intensifier tube"? But for example, videos showing the use of "Spike-LR" and "Spike-MR" confirm what is written on the official website of "Rafael" - Electro Optical (CCD, IR or Dual CCD / IIR). That is, the CCD is IR there, and not "simple."
                      Quote: Professor
                      I unsubscribe to this news.

                      No doubt. You have nothing to confirm your speculation with.
  • svp67
    svp67 April 26 2013 08: 21
    +2
    Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
    incomprehensible to the common man. Will it be able to suppress the channels through which drones work or not within a radius of 300 km? And can it suppress the GPS signal?

    Need to read between the lines. It is said that the data is classified, but at the same time
    The main task that is assigned to these complexes is the effective defense of troops and stationary objects from high-precision weapons of the enemy, as well as its carriers, target designation and detection systems

    that is, this machine will "light up" all the guidance and observation complexes of the WTO projectiles, and of course the UAV that fell under its "distribution" will not be an exception. But, in order to take control of this "blind" and "lost owner" UAV, you need a different complex ...
  • vadimus
    vadimus April 26 2013 08: 26
    +9
    There would be a beauty, but on the enemy’s ear ...
  • Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution April 26 2013 10: 28
    0
    Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
    incomprehensible to the common man. Will it be able to suppress the channels through which drones work or not within a radius of 300 km? And can it suppress the GPS signal?

    I can say that at the moment, no. For the reb exercises were held and I think that this system also participated in these exercises, so they could not suppress the signal. Alas....
  • yanus
    yanus April 26 2013 10: 46
    +2
    Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
    Station 1RL257 "Krasuha-4" is a wide-band station of powerful noise interference, as well as a multifunctional ground-based interference module. The main purpose is to cover stationary objects from multi-purpose radar systems of enemy strike aircraft, from onboard radar radar reconnaissance of E-8C aircraft, reconnaissance, impact and reconnaissance UAVs Predator and Global Hawk, as well as Lacrosse radar satellites.

    Reread this paragraph:
    Station 1RL257 "Krasuha-4" is a wide-band station of powerful noise interference, as well as a multifunctional ground-based interference module. The main purpose is to cover stationary objects from multi-purpose radar systems of enemy strike aircraft, from onboard radar radar reconnaissance of E-8C aircraft, reconnaissance, impact and reconnaissance UAVs Predator and Global Hawk, as well as Lacrosse radar satellites.


    And yes, the cover from the UAV does not mean that the UAVs will fall from the sky or "intercept". They will not be able to complete the task.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution April 26 2013 11: 12
      0
      http://izvestia.ru/news/536181
  • T-100
    T-100 April 26 2013 13: 06
    0
    To find out the reason why the car is not working in the car laughing
  • gazebo
    gazebo 19 February 2015 22: 10
    0
    It is written clearly - the main objects of airborne and space-based radars
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 April 26 2013 07: 28
    +3
    good technique. maybe someone knows, and what analogues exist abroad?
    1. LINX
      LINX April 27 2013 01: 09
      +5
      The U.S. Army mainly focuses on aviation systems

      ... "The American concept of electronic warfare presupposes the presence of two main aviation subsystems: based on specialized electronic warfare aircraft of group protection; based on UAVs and autonomous false air targets (ALVTs).

      For the period until 2015, the EU-130N Compass Call and EA-6V Proler will remain the main specialized EW aircraft.

      The main work to improve the existing electronic warfare equipment is focused on the modernization of the radio intelligence and electronic warfare equipment of the ES-130N "Compass Call" aircraft and the deck-based electronic warfare aircraft EA-6V "Prowler" ... "

      Out of competition with ground-based RF assets, there are developments in the PRC (electronic warfare based on the ZBL-09 armored personnel carrier) and North Korea, but these are basically copies of the already known RF complexes.

      to this topic...

      The list of countries that have been observed in the use of electronic warfare against the Americans or their allies in real combat conditions is known. Russian-made jammers were tested in Iraq in 2003, when in the first 10 days of the war American precision-guided weapons were not targeted. And only after the Americans found out the places of their installations and carpet bombing razed the whole areas with the “jammers”, the war went according to the plan outlined by Washington. Then the whole world realized how, using a fairly cheap means, it is possible to actually reduce to zero the effectiveness of military equipment using a satellite navigation system. Similar products are produced in China. And also - in North Korea.

      and about stubborn Koreans

      ... After the South Korean artillerymen began conducting training firing on the waters that the DPRK considers their own, the northerners first warned them, and then returned fire. The Korean People’s Army struck all the planned goals: the positions of the enemy troops, buildings and structures related to military and special services. The response of the South Koreans was very inaccurate, then Seoul made excuses: its electronic target location systems were paralyzed by enemy electronic warfare. It is believed that the South Koreans were forced to provoke on Enphendo by their American masters, who needed to determine the parameters of the North Korean electronic warfare system. An indirect confirmation of this is the repeated firing, which the South Koreans conducted a few weeks later under the direct supervision of the US military.

      And already at the beginning of March 2011, during other South Korean-American maneuvers, almost two days in some parts of the country, including Seoul, GP-receivers, cell phones and some other electronic equipment did not work. But this is so, flowers. Then one of the South Korean military boats was forced to interrupt his mission in the Yellow Sea - the coordinate determination system refused. After forty minutes of flight, the American reconnaissance aircraft returned to base, intending to make the usual flight around the demilitarized zone. But the most important thing, as the South Korean press writes, the Pentagon ordered that it no longer use its advertised F-22 “invisible” fighters near the borders of the DPRK. And these are just known cases of the North Korean electronic warfare systems ...
  • ABV
    ABV April 26 2013 08: 01
    +3
    Finally, our army realized the need for high-quality electronic warfare equipment and created something slightly late, but as always outstanding!
  • Tartary
    Tartary April 26 2013 08: 16
    +1
    I imagine it as an admiring exclamation of a designer or inspector after the first tests: - "Krasava !!!", grew into the final name: - "Krasuha" ... good
    1. pensioner
      pensioner April 26 2013 09: 00
      +1
      Here is what I found.http: //www.culture.pskov.ru/en/objects/object/73
  • pensioner
    pensioner April 26 2013 08: 21
    +3
    NATO members in Norway have set up a station near our borders - like to keep an eye on space debris (the excuse is very childish even for them). Could this "Beauty" look into the bread-machine? And what will happen after that?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov April 26 2013 08: 40
      +1
      Quote: retired
      And what will happen after that?

      The war will be. This is a clear act of aggression.
    2. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq April 26 2013 09: 14
      +3
      Do not flatter yourself, the NATO radio intelligence center is based in Norway, with an output power of 40kW transmitting devices (data from 1996, the end of my term) and, according to my commander, if they are European, they will clog ALL in the radio range, we, the Strategic Missile Forces radio operators, could only sit down and smoke bamboo (Other communication channels will naturally turn on.)
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 26 2013 12: 13
        +9
        Quote: Heccrbq
        Do not flatter yourself, the NATO radio intelligence center is based in Norway, with an output power of 40kW transmitting devices (data from 1996, the end of my term) and, according to my commander, if European Championships, they will clog ALL in the radio range


        Nobody will hammer the control frequency range of the PU. One miracle of the blocks is very broadband, and the notion at what frequency it works is simply not there! Its work can be compared to broadband wi-fi, but only the spectrum will be a little wider (the beginning is measured in kHz and the end is measured in tens of GHZ), even if there is a spectrograph or frequency meter or field indicator nearby, no one will find anything, since this is a block works everywhere and at once;) the neck of this product still has "OV"
        Well, in terms of power, only Keychains of a mobile missile regiment score all communications in the district. I don’t remember the output power, but with the full use of all the MC-1 radios, the control panel of the diesel engine took a load of at least the same Norwegian 40kW
        1. Colonel
          Colonel April 26 2013 14: 16
          +3
          The output power of the "Brelka" is 1 kW, in principle the power is excessive for the VHF range. It was assumed that such a transmitter power would counteract the RFP, but in practice it did not work out. But do you remember, as soon as the shelves stood up on duty and began to go out into the fields, all the Sosenki could not watch TV until we redrawn the radio data. And this unit (I'm talking about Krasuha) is really good, especially if Lacrosa can shit.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 26 2013 15: 48
            +8
            Quote: colonel
            But you remember, as soon as the shelves went on duty and began to go out into the fields, all the Pines could not watch TV until we redid the radio data. And this unit (I'm talking about Krasukha) is really good, especially if it can spoil Lacrosse.


            I remember the division commander in the hospital and watched football and our regiment went to the planned, so he shifted the output by 2 hours until the football ended request
            He also drew attention to the Lacrosses. There are now three Lacrosse satellites in orbit. Their problem is that they fly over different parts of Russia and the orbits of only two of them intersect over the European part. It is alleged that 2 spacecraft can conduct reconnaissance over the territory of Russia with a 4000 km field of view — more than 9 hours a day, and three spacecraft — more than 14 hours a day. In practice, in the case of Teykov, this means that about 15 hours a day Poplars simply remain even without minimal supervision. And there is Kihoule and other crap.



            at present, even if Kihoule flies over the launcher (real time) and approximately knows the strip in which it is necessary to take a picture, and immediately resets the captured information through a relay to the Processing Center, decryption takes 36 hours. And this is only for one district. With Lacrosse it’s about the same thing. In order to ALMOST in real time only conduct shooting from low orbits (and you can’t throw them on high scouts - you can’t see anything from there), approximately 4 devices are needed. And about the crazy price if the United States with all its financial capabilities have only 3 Kihoules and 7 Lacrosses. Total 1 spacecraft optoelectronic and radar reconnaissance. No more and not planned. For reference - Lacrosse costs more than $ XNUMX billion (according to the Internet). And you also need information reception centers, control centers, decryption centers, specialists, supercomputers, rockets for the output of these devices, launch complexes ...
            ... there cannot be a delay of 1-2 minutes. KA OER and RTR FLY over the area, since their orbit is 250-1050km and until the next turn or approach of the next KA the territory is unobservable. And in 2015 there will be as many scouts as there are now 7. Well, maybe they will put another Lacrosse from the reserve. Plus they’ll attract a couple of MCAs. But this is not the main thing! To have coordinates, it’s not enough to have a snapshot, you need to decrypt the snapshot and determine where the launcher is located, where KAMAZ is, and where the false positions are. It takes HOURS! This is an image of a 500 km long strip, where a 21-meter-long launcher was lost, and even masked! in Iraq, the contribution from the entire US space intelligence group was negligible. They could shoot, but they didn’t have time to decrypt and hit - the SCADAS were leaving ...
            1. Prokrust
              Prokrust April 26 2013 21: 01
              +1
              Ascetic, you were clearly trained at the Pyotr Dzerzhinsky Academy ... Although you have no specific information.
              By the way, "Krasukha-4" was developed for the Strategic Missile Forces
        2. neri73-r
          neri73-r April 26 2013 16: 56
          +1
          Everything, I sleep peacefully !!!! soldier
      2. seller trucks
        seller trucks April 26 2013 12: 32
        +1
        I’m very happy for Norway, but given the realities of modern war and weapons, in the event of a military conflict, living in this center, minutes 5-10 of force, you understand that the destruction of such objects is a priority. Yes, and we are talking a little about different things, as I understand it, this is a mobile complex for use in local conflicts. correct if not so.
  • vadson
    vadson April 26 2013 09: 38
    0
    good hello here!
  • erased
    erased April 26 2013 09: 59
    0
    A very necessary equipment, no less than tanks and planes. Especially in the context of the total use of precision weapons and communications and control.
  • USNik
    USNik April 26 2013 10: 52
    +6
    It has an independent air heater OH-32D-24 and air conditioning Webasto SS4E

    Now prosrawlopolymers will crawl and will yell that they have again shoved enemy spare parts into our equipment, that we ourselves cannot, we buy everything in the west winked

    And on the subject, if this complex really can jam the exchange between the "Flying Target Designators" and "weapon delivery platforms", then the concept of using the F-22, F-35 and the whole heap of UAVs is covered with a copper basin.
  • Canep
    Canep April 26 2013 10: 52
    +1
    It is difficult to comment when the capabilities of the machine are unknown.
  • AK-47
    AK-47 April 26 2013 10: 56
    0
    .... targeted action radio emissions (radio interference) on electronic communications, control systems and intelligence probable enemy.

    Couldn't Kraukha be detected by these radio emissions and ...?
    1. Professor
      Professor April 26 2013 12: 50
      +2
      Couldn't Kraukha be detected by these radio emissions and ...?

      Even as it can. She gives everyone her coordinates for at least 300 km, and there ... AGM-88 HARM sad
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 26 2013 13: 00
        -1
        And I heard that the frequency range in which GOS anti-radar missiles operate is not unlimited. Lying, probably?
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv April 26 2013 13: 00
        +3
        Even as it can. She gives everyone her coordinates for at least 300 km, and there ... AGM-88 HARM

        And you zenyut range of work Kraukha? But HARM in fact flies no more than 80 km and it’s easily taken away, it’s not the X-58.
        1. Professor
          Professor April 26 2013 13: 15
          +3
          Quote: leon-iv

          And you zenyut range of work Kraukha? But HARM in fact flies no more than 80 km and it’s easily taken away, it’s not the X-58.

          I guess. bully In order to drown the radar of the UAV and the satellite Rubella should broadcast at the same frequencies.
          The previous ARMs were easily taken away, the modern ones costing lemon green are VERY difficult to deceive, it even remembers the coordinates of the already switched off radar.
          Quote: Spade
          And I heard that the frequency range in which GOS anti-radar missiles operate is not unlimited. Lying, probably?

          They do not lie, but Rubella should work in conventional western frequencies.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv April 26 2013 13: 20
            0
            The previous ARMs were easily taken away, the modern ones costing lemon green are VERY difficult to deceive, it even remembers the coordinates of the already switched off radar.

            Yeah, but there purely tactics roll on the topic of dumping cheat and stuff. And our guys have long had a head from E-ki.
      3. Kuzkin Batyan
        Kuzkin Batyan April 26 2013 13: 04
        0
        and next to it should be a tunguska for example
      4. Aeneas
        Aeneas April 27 2013 01: 24
        0
        why the coordinates? Only direction. And to calculate the coordinates - this is the problem of RTR, it is necessary at least 3 intelligence stations.
        1. Professor
          Professor April 27 2013 08: 56
          0
          at least 3 intelligence stations needed.

          Or one on a mobile carrier such as LA, then the calculation of the source coordinates is a task for the eighth grade of high school, a system of two equations with two unknowns.
      5. Zveruga
        Zveruga 8 November 2014 19: 40
        0
        Over 300 km from Krasukha will let? winked
      6. Zveruga
        Zveruga 8 November 2014 19: 40
        0
        Over 300 km from Krasukha will let? winked
  • ed1968
    ed1968 April 26 2013 10: 57
    +1
    Vesma interesting object really needed by the modern Russian army good but as for export, they are still in vain a technology leak may occur
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 27 2013 01: 20
      +1
      They will not export, there are outdated samples. They are also effective (type SPN-30-40).
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas April 26 2013 11: 49
    0
    As far as I understand, in the area of ​​operation of "Krasukha" no work of radar and communication means is possible, including our own ...
    1. Akim
      Akim April 26 2013 12: 06
      +4
      Quote: Nayhas
      not possible, including your own ...

      Why. It is broadband, but operates in a specific sector. In addition, the station knows the radio frequencies of its troops and it automatically ignores them. Also to radio sights, radar tracking stations, etc.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 26 2013 20: 08
        0
        Well, let's say signalmen can select a free range, but what about a radar?
    2. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 27 2013 01: 19
      0
      if a station with masking interference is problematic. Tobish almost no troposphere and relayschikov. Wired communication drives!
  • Takashi
    Takashi April 26 2013 11: 50
    +1
    I remembered here :) :) last year (the year before last, the pose-posture of the past, ....) at the Faculty of Electrical Engineering - the standard topic for the diploma was a topic called: "Creation of a device for jamming cellular / mobile communications of directional and wide action "

    The subject of the diploma was chosen as a rule by 3 students. :) :)
  • Akim
    Akim April 26 2013 11: 59
    +1
    None of the electronic warfare systems will suppress radar signals or cannot intercept a modern radio head. To reduce its effectiveness by 50 percent is possible. All of them are guided through discrete channels, where digital modulators change the frequency and signal coding every tenth (or even hundredth) of a millisecond. But all the same, without such funds it would be even worse.
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 27 2013 01: 15
      0
      it may well suppress the signal of the onboard radar. On an airplane, the radar is limited in size, and therefore in power, the frequency range and, accordingly, the wavelengths are also known and nothing can change especially there - this is the microwave spectrum. The signal emitted by the jamming station will always be more powerful than the radar signal reflected from the target of the airborne means of attack and the jamming does not need to be set in all ranges (white noise), and in all directions, but only on the aircraft itself in a narrow sector (the antenna is narrowly directed and the station automatically "guides" the aircraft, "focusing" on the emitted signal of the radar). The interference power is quite powerful, because the antenna, although narrowly directed, has side lobes. At the exercises in the early 90s, when the stations were turned on, local civilian telephonists complained that the channelization equipment was out of order. They condense the channels, converting the tonal spectrum into a high-frequency component (before the introduction of digital multiplexing equipment) where they "intersected" with the frequencies of the jamming station and received interference ... There also existed and still exist stations with simulated jamming, because intelligence works, and the characteristics of NATO radio-technical means known and known algorithms for their work. It is very difficult to replace all this, it requires a lot of money and time. In general, all this has been known since World War II, and even the Russian-Japanese war, when radio operators on Russian ships interfered with Japanese radiotelegraph operators.
  • radio operator
    radio operator April 26 2013 12: 19
    +7
    Good series "Krasukh". The first time I saw these cars I was amazed, of course. The name is no less interesting.
    They caught us last year when they were waiting for the visit of GDP
    Photos
  • radio operator
    radio operator April 26 2013 12: 23
    +3
    Kraukha-4, the most spectacular machine
  • radio operator
    radio operator April 26 2013 12: 25
    +2
    Another one of the krauchs
    1. GEO
      GEO April 26 2013 20: 25
      +2
      Which in the bottom photo and looks like Cheburashka, I served on it. Essno, this is not Kraukha. But, I wasn’t dolbyatel and spread, unlike some mud @ kov, I will not.
      Too much idle talk on the forum, don't you think?
      1. Aeneas
        Aeneas April 27 2013 00: 48
        0
        these Cheburashka - the 20th century, azhzhzh! Ukraine has already sold to the Chinese in the early 90s.
  • igordok
    igordok April 26 2013 13: 38
    0
    Question about the name. What is the name Kraukha taken from? The name is widespread in theory. In the Pskov region there is a memorial place on the site of the village of Krasukha, which was burned along with the Germans in the 1943 year, similar to Khatyn in Belarus. Perhaps the name of this village was the name of the family of these machines.
  • igordok
    igordok April 26 2013 13: 57
    +3
    Question about the name. What is the name Kraukha taken from? The name is widespread in theory. In the Pskov region there is a memorial place on the site of the village of Krasukha, which was burned along with the Germans in the 1943 year, similar to Khatyn in Belarus. Perhaps the name of this village was the name of the family of these machines.

    http://www.esosedi.ru/onmap/pamyatnik_skorbyaschaya_pskovityanka_derevnya_krasuh




    a_/1000047799/index.html#lat=57711680&lng=29420074&z=16&mt=1&v=1

    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt April 26 2013 21: 04
      0
      rubella disease some doctors call it that
    2. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 27 2013 00: 47
      0
      there is logic in the name of military equipment - this is the desire to give the name the most irrational meaning, in no way connected with the purpose of this unit of weapons.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus April 26 2013 14: 49
    +2
    Nice car. A couple of them would be sent to Syria for testing. That is, the feeling that all our "chips" work only at test sites and laboratories. Well, it goes without saying that such a machine should not work in one.
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 27 2013 00: 43
      0
      it’s not necessary to Syria ... It’s very difficult to defeat partisan terrorists with electronic warfare stations.
  • tomich
    tomich April 26 2013 15: 26
    +1
    4 complexes? why so much?
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 26 2013 22: 26
    0
    Information has already appeared that the 1L269 Krasukha-2 station will be exported,

    Good machine! It only strains the salesmania of everything that the enemies do not have, and the most interesting thing is sold to them, probably so that they do not strain in search of ingenious ideas, it is easier to buy from poor "barbarians", that is, from us. Direct circulation of some kind - money - commodity - money. The "fifth element" smacks of.
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate April 27 2013 07: 18
    0
    a good device, we need people who are competent for it and use in combination with other types of weapons, protection, otherwise easy
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 April 28 2013 14: 45
    +1
    There is no doubt that such a station is capable of interfering with flying radars, just as there is no doubt that such a stationary (during operation) source of active interference can be easily tracked and destroyed by radio-homing missiles. Such a complex will be quite tasty. And it can create interference only in a narrow sector (along the main lobe of the radar), since everyone has long learned how to tune away from interference along the side lobes. In addition, modern radars use probing signals of a complex structure that can change in the course of a combat mission and which cannot always be taken by "brute force", and it takes time to unravel these structures, which is not in battle. Of course, it can be assumed that this product is implemented on a more modern element base, and its chassis is more modern than 20 years ago, but those radars that it should suppress also did not stand still. Output. The next round of constant counteraction by means of attack and means of protection is observed. Who can show whom only war, that, of course, God forbid. And in war, the initial advantage that one of the parties can get through the use of some previously unknown types of new technology is quickly nullified by the efforts of the other side. Those. for every tricky s .... there is always something equally tricky
  • inbous
    inbous 4 May 2013 03: 50
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    How much can demagoguery be? Not tired of yourself? I presented to you a video clip from the GOS (yes, it is the GOS, the other is not there) that I presented where the missile in the OPTICAL range is aimed at the target. You rubbed that on Spike-ER this is not and they pushed the sea of ​​mine-paste. Received?

    ... it is very interesting, in some unknown way then your OPTICAL targeting system "fire and forget" on the Spike-ER will distinguish an inflatable tank drawn on the ground or, oh God, an inflatable tank from a real one ?!
  • Absurdidat
    Absurdidat April 13 2014 14: 38
    0
    I wonder why LBVs are used and not modern solid bodies?