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New integration puzzles from the Ukrainian authorities

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5 April 2013, the Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych said that Ukraine is ready to become an observer in the EurAsEC Customs Union. Observer status is a kind of intermediate option between the absence of a state in an organization and its full presence there. The status itself makes it possible to participate in board meetings, allows you to open your representative office, work on documents, but does not give the right to vote on certain issues.


Just recently, the Prime Minister of the Ukrainian Government, Mykola Azarov, announced that the countries participating in the Customs Union (Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan) decided to meet Ukraine halfway and approve it as an observer in the CU. True, no official confirmation of this information is given by representatives of the leadership of the structures of the Customs Union itself. At least, the site of the CU regarding the provision of observer status to Ukraine is silent. In addition, representatives of the Russian government said that the status of Ukraine regarding its stay in the Customs Union has not yet been determined.

New integration puzzles from the Ukrainian authorities


The situation was even more confused by Alexei Likhachev, who is the Deputy Minister of Economic Development of Russia. He stated that he did not understand at all what was going on, since in the Customs Union there is still no such thing as an “observer country”. Likhachev noted that Ukraine has an observer status at EurAsEC, and Ukraine also has a request for observer status with the Eurasian Economic Commission, but it’s impossible to say that Ukraine received observer status in the Customs Union. A federal official noted that all issues related to this clearly entangled integration process may be decided as early as May of this year.
If you believe the official website of the Customs Union itself and the representative of the Russian Ministry of Economic Development, then it turns out that Azarov is clearly running ahead and is engaged in the substitution of concepts. For what purpose? And the goal, obviously, is to somewhat improve the rating positions of both himself and the current Ukrainian president. The fact is that at the same time as talking about the “observation” of Ukraine in the Customs Union in Ukraine itself, certain forces are trying to reach Brussels. This is due to the upcoming signing of a document on the so-called association of Ukraine and the European Union. Only the beginning of this association of Ukraine and the EU is scheduled for the second half of this year (presumably for the fall), but questions about the integration of Ukraine with the EurAsEC Customs Union, according to the Russian representatives of the CU, are planned to be to some extent resolved in May.

Understanding that Ukraine can still turn in the direction of Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus and, accordingly, turn away from the European Union, the so-called Ukrainian opposition forces decided to start beating all the bells in order to draw the attention of Brussels to the “Ukrainian problem”. In particular, the opposition Ukrainian politician Yuriy Lutsenko (ex-Minister of the Interior) decided to directly appeal to the leadership of the European Union, so that he immediately went to the signing of an associative agreement with Ukraine. They say that if Brussels is delayed with the Ukrainian association, Ukraine will finally be lured onto its side by Eurasian Economic Community, which, in the opinion of the ex-minister, should not be allowed.

It is noteworthy that the European Union has repeatedly spoken out about relations with Ukraine. The last time the words looked like this: if Ukraine chooses integration with the CU, then it, accordingly, refuses to integrate with the EU. Thus, Brussels made it clear that the attempt of President Viktor Yanukovych to sit on two chairs at once, and at the same time still manage to catch the fish in the muddy water of a double game is unlikely to succeed. It turns out that EU representatives make Yanukovych understand that his choice should be the only one: either the course towards European integration, or integration in the post-Soviet space (with Russia, for example).

However, that seems to be the peculiarity of the head of the Ukrainian state, that he does not want to make an unequivocal choice. This, in particular, is evidenced by the fact that in 2012, Mr. Yanukovych immediately after speaking of a course on European integration, unexpectedly declared that at the same time he was following the development of the Customs Union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. At the same time, the president of Ukraine added that Ukraine is ready to start cooperation with the CU within the framework of the formula “3 + 1” at a certain “sectoral level”. What would this “sectoral level” be? - then could not even explain the major experts in the field of state integration. Translated from Viktor Fedorovich’s language into an open-source language, this “rapprochement” option apparently means that Ukraine inserts the front edge of the boot into the Russian-Belarusian-Kazakhstani common door so that this door does not slam shut before Kiev. At the same time, other parts of Ukraine could also push the European doors. It was in all likelihood that the Ukrainian state, which was led by Viktor Yanukovych, was going to remain in such a strange position, giving the opportunity to squeeze in one door or another.

But in the 2012, neither the “3 + 1” variant, nor the “sectoral level” of Ukraine, the Customs Union did not suit. Viktor Yanukovych was asked to dot the i's and determine the final direction of the integration course of Ukraine. Apparently, after long and difficult deliberation, Viktor Yanukovych decided to make another knight's move: it was not the desire to join the Customs Union that was declared, but the desire to become his observer. If we take into account that such status is not spelled out in the TS Charter, then Yanukovych’s proposal again gives some attempt to keep a backup option for himself.
However, this fallback option looks rather dubious. If Ukraine really receives the status of an observer of the CU, which, it must be recalled, Mykola Azarov has already announced, and if after that Ukraine signs an association agreement with the EU, then these two actions can hardly be called obvious integration processes in two directions at once. The fact is that the association agreement with the European Union was signed by such countries and territories as, for example, Chile, Mexico or even the Palestinian Authority. Well, no one at the same time thinks that the association of the Palestinian Authority and the EU can lead to a real economic (not to mention political) association of these territorial entities. At the same time, observer status in an organization can be, in fact, indefinitely, but this does not add constructiveness in economic or geopolitical mutually beneficial cooperation. There is no need to go far for examples here: Commonwealth of Independent States. Obviously, not all residents of the CIS themselves are aware of the fact that Mongolia, for example, is an observer in certain structures of the CIS. And Afghanistan is an observer in the Inter-Parliamentary Assembly of the CIS countries. So what? Someone thinks Mongolia or Afghanistan are somehow integrated with us? Hardly…

It turns out that the promise of the “observant” role of the Ukrainian authorities in the Customs Union and in association with the EU does not constitute a clear and unequivocal choice. And therefore you can use beautiful words in the style of “sectoral level”, “associative integration” and so on, as much as you like, but the sense of using them is still zero. Whatever one may say, Viktor Fyodorovich and his party will have to decide which direction for Ukraine to choose. And the sooner this unequivocal decision is announced, the better it will be for Ukraine itself.
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  1. nokki
    nokki April 26 2013 07: 37 New
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    It is a pity that all the newly-minted "hetmans" of post-Soviet Ukraine thought and are thinking literally about everything in the world, but not about the fate of long-suffering Ukraine! History, as always, does not teach such individuals anything!
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk April 26 2013 08: 22 New
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      This is simply the eternal desire of independent politicians to sit down and eat fish.
      1. Kolya
        Kolya April 26 2013 09: 01 New
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        Yanukovych is a terrorist. He terrorizes public opinion - he is right or left.
      2. fedot.uncle
        fedot.uncle April 26 2013 09: 34 New
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        Do not stop them from joining somewhere far away, in the EU, ATEK, NATO, etc. They plundered everything there, just like -prapora plundered the SA and Navy. Who has served, he remembers the pieces of chests, nachprodov, etc. Let Europe startle.
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv April 26 2013 11: 43 New
          +3
          And they also forgot the league of the Arab states. Nehai will be boring and try to steal !!! Maybe even there they chop off shaggy paws or put them on a stake.
      3. avt
        avt April 26 2013 10: 06 New
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        Quote: Sakhalininets
        This is simply the eternal desire of independent politicians to sit down and eat fish.

        Moreover, the first in the light of laws adopted in geyvrop they will have to do it specifically. laughing But on the account of what to eat fish request most doubts about this. laughing They will take them and say that they are so well, without a fish.
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv April 26 2013 11: 46 New
          +5
          As in a joke:
          Are you with petroleum jelly or not?
          -with Vaseline!
          Vaseline come in!
          -without, without !!!
          - without you too! wassat
        2. 30143
          30143 April 26 2013 19: 32 New
          +1
          Do not eat, so bite. Do not mess up!
      4. 30143
        30143 April 26 2013 19: 29 New
        +1
        It turns out that way.
        Exactly!!! Nothing to add. I put +
      5. Simon
        Simon April 26 2013 22: 00 New
        +2
        Apparently, Yanukovych does not want to understand that they cannot be independent in this world, all the same it will be necessary to pester on some shore, and waiting for Ukraine to die is similar. fool
        1. APASUS
          APASUS April 26 2013 23: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Simon
          that they cannot be independent in this world,

          Yanukovych wants to sell his project under the name Ukraine. Only at a higher price, he’s filling the price.
          And his people are not his people interested !!
    2. Hunghuz
      Hunghuz April 26 2013 08: 37 New
      -5
      hi If before Svidomo it was simple they had a multi-vector and many-fold ........))) and right now they are looking for something to be observed ....... ??? and shtob I was so hot?
    3. Nesvet Nezar
      Nesvet Nezar April 26 2013 11: 34 New
      -8
      As one smart man joked: Russians always like to seem - Ukrainians are smart, and Muscovites are fools)))))))
      1. Natalia
        Natalia April 26 2013 12: 24 New
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        Brussels made it clear that an attempt by President Viktor Yanukovych to sit on two chairs at once, while still managing to fish in the muddy water of a double game, is unlikely to succeed. It turns out that EU representatives make it clear to Yanukovych that his choice should be the only one: either a course towards European integration, or integration in the post-Soviet space (with Russia, for example).

        Brussels speaks the truth, it is time to be determined. Uncle Vita must, collect the will into a fist and make a strong-willed decision (either or).
        And then as a girl of easy virtue, who will pay more .... well, you can
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv April 26 2013 12: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Natalia
          Uncle Vita must, collect the will into a fist and make a strong-willed decision (either or).

          Probably this will already in the cam is not capable of anything request
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 26 2013 13: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: Natalia
          And then as a girl of easy virtue, who will pay more .... well, you can

          By and large, any president is a marianette in the hands of those who promoted him to power. In this case, it is precisely these money bags of Ukraine that prevent Yanyk from joining the CU. He himself would probably be with both hands. If he does not take action, then in the next election, the political corpse, not Victor. And if he takes to the side of the vehicle, possibly a corpse, real))))
          1. Felix200970
            Felix200970 April 26 2013 19: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Sirocco
            If he does not take action, then in the next election, the political corpse, not Victor.

            And he can do nothing already. He’s already a political corpse, because he’s already sickened the whole population of Ukraine. There’s no one to choose from hi
        3. Skavron
          Skavron April 26 2013 13: 10 New
          +3
          but on ... do you need it? Vita needs to cut the dough ... he does not care) The main family to provide ...
          How did they post dem: "Mister puss ... er")))
        4. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 26 2013 13: 14 New
          +6
          Quote: Natalia
          And then as a girl of easy virtue

          I remembered about the cartoon, and about the prince on a white horse. Ukraine has not yet decided where it needs to. And waiting for the very prince who will offer more laughing
        5. Victor
          Victor April 26 2013 13: 15 New
          +6
          Quote: Natalia
          Brussels speaks the truth, it is time to be determined. Uncle Vita must, collect the will into a fist and make a strong-willed decision (either or).


          There is an old parable about the Buridan Donkey, which, standing between two haystacks, could not decide which mop to go to and as a result died of starvation.
          It is this fate that awaits Ukraine with Yan Kukuevich. He is the same Buridanov DONKEY!
      2. xan
        xan April 26 2013 16: 35 New
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        Quote: Nesarya Nesvet
        As one smart man joked: Russians always like to seem - Ukrainians are smart, and Muscovites are fools)))))))

        Kluchevsky expressed this idea
        who minus in this post, that either is not educated, or well, in general it is clear
        you don’t put any cons here, I think that ignoring it is enough
        but there are Dartanyans who put minuses to Klyuchevsky himself
        1. smile
          smile April 26 2013 17: 47 New
          +5
          xan
          I don’t remember if I put a minus, but expressed a negative attitude. The attitude, including through the cons, was expressed not to Klyuchevsky. and to the one who placed Kliuchevsky’s phrase taken out of context ... in addition, I believe that people who are uncritical of any, anyway, individuals, are flawed ... the impossibility of critical perception is one of the symptoms of a headache muscle .... it’s better to be Dartanyan than a dumb fanatic ...
          1. xan
            xan April 26 2013 21: 10 New
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            Quote: smile
            people who are uncritical of any kind, anyway, of individuals, are flawed ... the impossibility of critical perception is one of the signs of problems with the head muscle .... it is better to be Dartanyan than a dumb fanatic ...

            come on justify. Klyuchevsky expressed the idea that it can be treated differently.
            In your opinion, people who agree with Klyuchevsky have a headache, they are stupid fanatics, flawed. Those who disagree with Klyuchevsky are all right with critical perception and freedom of thought.
            Do you know anything about Klyuchevsky?
            Anyway, how many do you take on yourself?
            1. smile
              smile April 27 2013 12: 09 New
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              xan
              What have you .... really decided ... that I ... in front of you ... am making excuses? :)))) You know, there is such a children's joke - "the one-eyed one was dreaming" ... and so - this is about you. You can calm down - no one knows about Klyuchevskoy except you. You are the only one :)))) I don’t know how much you take on yourself, but I can tell you - you can quickly go with everything you took ... preferably a forest ... well, I hope , where is it clear for you to go? :))) .. you have a smart kid ...
      3. smile
        smile April 26 2013 17: 40 New
        +3
        Nesvet Nezar
        It seems to me that one should not say so - such humor will offend and repulse normal, friendly Ukrainians towards us and give their svidomo bandarlogs a reason to scream that we are neglectful of all Ukrainians.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa April 26 2013 19: 19 New
          +5
          Quote: smile
          will give an occasion to their Svidomo bandarlogs to scream that we are dismissive of all Ukrainians.
          Correct opinion. And so, due to the lack of Russian media in the Ukrainian information field, we have a sad picture. "The opinions of the country's citizens about the future of Ukraine were divided
          48% of Ukrainians support Ukraine's accession to the European Union, and 40% would like to see their country in the Customs Union, according to the results of a study by the Democratic Initiatives Foundation and the Razumkov Center.
          According to the survey, 15% of Ukrainians support Ukraine’s joining NATO.
          In addition, an alternative poll was conducted, in which the formulations "non-alignment neither in the EU nor in the CU" appeared, as well as "hard to answer." 42% of the respondents supported Ukraine's accession to the EU, 32% - to the CU, 10,5% believe that Ukraine should not join any of these organizations, and 15% said that it was hard for them to answer.
          Answering a question about where the country has been moving over the past year, the majority (38,7%) replied that it was nowhere. Another 24,4% believe that the country is strengthening integration with Russia and the CIS countries, 18,7% that the country is integrating more into the EU and 18,2% of respondents said that it is difficult for them to answer this question.
          The study showed that the opinions of voters of various political forces regarding the direction in which Ukraine is moving are divided: voters of the Party of Regions (39%) and the Communist Party of Ukraine (38%) mostly believe that Ukraine is moving towards closer integration with Russia and the CIS countries, while voters of Batkivshchyna, UDAR and Svoboda believe that Ukraine is not moving anywhere.
          In addition, according to the survey, only 22,5% of Ukrainians can judge life in developed democracies based on their own experience, since they have been to EU countries, Canada or the United States. At the same time, 77,1% have never been to these countries, 0,4% of the respondents did not answer this question. Http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/Ukraincy-hotyat-iv-ES-i-Tamozhsoyuz-ivN
          ATO-opros.html WELL AND HOW WITH SUCH PUBLIC OPINION YANUKOVICH WILL TAKE A DECISION ON ENTRY IN THE CU? There will be a new Yugoslavia, only under the side of Russia. And all Ukrainian media are Western grant-eaters, where is the Russian propaganda ?!
          1. Scythian 35
            Scythian 35 April 27 2013 11: 07 New
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            Here is the propaganda.
        2. xan
          xan April 27 2013 11: 02 New
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          Quote: smile
          Nesvet Nezar
          It seems to me that one should not say so - such humor will offend and repulse normal, friendly Ukrainians towards us and give their svidomo bandarlogs a reason to scream that we are neglectful of all Ukrainians.

          Why do we need Ukrainians, whom humor can insult and repel? Do we need them for gatherings?
          1. smile
            smile April 28 2013 04: 58 New
            +2
            xan
            why do you need a brother with whom you had a fight ... it doesn’t matter whether an elder brother or a younger one ... For primitives, for example, a brother is a brother ... and you can be insulted and nomadized for a long time and persistently ... it happens to the brothers ... this does not mean that I should abandon my brother just because we scandalized him ... moreover, we scandalized under the influence of neighbors telling us which of us spoke nasty things about each other ...
      4. Simon
        Simon April 26 2013 22: 05 New
        0
        But for now, yes, for the reverse, Mr. Nesvet Nezara. laughing hi
    4. TekhnarMAF
      TekhnarMAF April 26 2013 17: 09 New
      0
      Teaches! Unfortunately, both in Ukraine and We, in power, Businesses, for them education is an obstacle in their "work"! They forgot that "draft animals ()" can communicate! Fortunately, there is an opportunity to share opinions, and this can lead to the desired result for most of the same "cattle" from their point of view. Think about the word "", who or what is it?
    5. Patton5
      Patton5 April 26 2013 18: 20 New
      +3
      A politician is too small for such fateful decisions !!!
    6. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka April 28 2013 12: 09 New
      0
      Quote: nokki
      It is a pity that all the newly-minted "hetmans" of post-Soviet Ukraine thought and are thinking literally about everything in the world, but not about the fate of long-suffering Ukraine! History, as always, does not teach such individuals anything!

      They do not think, they row everything that is possible for themselves.
  2. radio operator
    radio operator April 26 2013 07: 42 New
    +1
    Realizing that Ukraine can still turn towards Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus and, accordingly, turn its back on the European Union, the so-called Ukrainian opposition forces decided to start ringing all the bells in order to draw Brussels' attention to the “Ukrainian problem”.

    It may turn if the western part of the country does not turn it back to the West - to the trap.
    1. hommer
      hommer April 26 2013 22: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: radio operator
      It may turn if the western part of the country does not turn it back to the West - to the trap.


      Equally to us, Kazakhs, you are close - both Russians and Ukrainians.
      We generally distinguish you poorly! drinks
      But, reading the foreign press, some conclusions themselves suggest themselves.
      For example, quotes from a Polish article
      -
      In the interests of Poland, which will always be threatened by Russian imperialism, Ukraine needs to exist as a buffer between Poland and Russia. However, the border line in this case should be different from the one that exists today. Poland is obliged to support in every possible way the idea of ​​the partition of Ukraine and to do everything to make it happen as soon as possible, since there is always a danger that the present, Russian-Ukrainian Ukraine will again be subjugated by Moscow. At the same time, I am more than sure that Moscow will not be able to do the same with the "Ukrainian" Ukraine itself. This is the kind of Ukraine that has the greatest chance of joining the European Union. In terms of its territory, "Ukrainian" Ukraine would be almost equal to Poland, but its population would be only about 1/3 of the Polish population. Among other things, this Ukraine would be almost completely relieved of the burden of heavy industry, and would also be landlocked. Such a Ukraine would not pose a particular threat to Poland, with such a Ukraine it would be possible to achieve a certain "vivendi modus" rather quickly, even if only Bandera ruled in Kiev, since such a Ukraine would always be interested in the presence of goodwill from Poland.

      The partition of Ukraine should be supported by all those (including Unia Wolnosci and the editorial staff of Gazety Wyborczej) who believe that depriving Poland of a city like Lviv (extremely Polish in nature) was historically justified only for the reason that in Lviv uyezd, as well as in other areas of Eastern Galicia, together with the Poles who have lived here for centuries, Ukrainians also lived. Otherwise, they will only once again confirm that they are hypocrites and de facto enemies of Poland. The division of Ukraine should also be pursued by those Poles who stake on maintaining Poland's special relations with the United States and Europe. Indeed, in the event of a sharp increase in America's influence on Ukraine, which surpasses Poland both in territory and in population, Ukraine will very quickly be able to claim the role in the implementation of American policy in Eastern Europe, which Poland is playing today, and then Ukraine will have the opportunity to show us our fangs.

      That's it. Draw your own conclusions. Article from "Wirtualna Polonia".
      1. zveroboy61
        zveroboy61 April 27 2013 09: 09 New
        0
        Here is Poland in all its greatness.
  3. kostella85
    kostella85 April 26 2013 08: 00 New
    -1
    This Ukrainian Plane is the cheapest pataskuh in the world, it changes its position once every half a year, they don't think that in a year or two they will be good for us in the TS ... we don’t need them, but Geyropa has enough of its own smut and another freeloader right now, all the more so they don't need such "insecure" either ....
    1. hrych
      hrych April 26 2013 08: 20 New
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      Do not forget that Ukraine has gone through a floral revolution and the current, essentially counter-revolutionary regime, having won several thousand votes, is trying to prevent a civil war. Like it or not, now the regime is pro-Russian and there is no need to put pressure on it. The gradual strengthening of the CU with the weakening of the EU, that which will bring Ukraine home and do not need to rush, should not be bloodshed by our brothers.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm April 26 2013 09: 04 New
        +9
        Quote: hrych
        Do not forget that Ukraine has gone through a floral revolution and the current, essentially counter-revolutionary regime, having won several thousand votes, is trying to prevent a civil war.

        Yes, the situation is not simple, I also think that it’s not worth driving in a decision, if they consider it necessary to be observers, the CU will not suffer, if the EU considered it necessary to accept Ukraine into their ranks, they would have done it a long time ago, but why would they Ukraine? Confused as a potential competitor, it is better for them to have a weakened economy in the East feeding them promises. The EU and the CU do not have any particular contradictions; the whole point is competition and economic dependence on one or another factor.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza April 26 2013 09: 32 New
          +7
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          but why do they need Ukraine?

          Geyropa is unequivocally counting on the fertile lands of Ukraine. This is what some representatives say "Ukraine was the granary of the USSR, and now it can become the granary of Europe." besides, to have a good shale gas, if such a "goes", cheap labor, a market for their expired and unusable products ... in short, a dump for everything. At the same time, it has already been stated that only after the adoption of a number of laws can one think of an association. And then a bummer - the Rada did not work, the laws were not adopted, therefore the deadlines were pushed back to the fall, and even the vehicle is running out. But if the laws are not adopted, then it is quite possible to turn around on Tc. However, pay attention to the timing. If earlier in the EU they said to pass laws until May, now they have delayed the term until autumn. And regarding the vehicle, you need to decide in May, then no one changed the terms!
          As for 3 + 1 = what is profitable for us to perform, and what is unprofitable we will not. And so, it turns out, no way! then we will try as an "observer" - and the "threat" of the EU, and we will leave ourselves a crack.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 26 2013 10: 46 New
            +4
            Quote: Egoza
            Geyropa is unequivocally counting on the fertile lands of Ukraine. This is what some representatives say "Ukraine was the granary of the USSR, and now it can become the granary of Europe."


            I heard that all Ukrainian owners of privatized land allotments engaged in agricultural activities in their plots do not have ownership rights to the subsoil of these allotments, but only to the top layer of land, up to 2 meters deep! Anything deeper than this layer of the earth does not belong to the owner!
            Is it true or another fake ... If true, then this is complete insanity ... This means that it is permissible if someone is interested in
            development of mineral resources (for example, the production of shale gas or other needs), then all supposedly privatized areas can be legally taken away without any compensation.
            1. SIT
              SIT April 26 2013 12: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: Ascetic
              This means that it is permissible if someone is interested in the development of mineral resources (for example, the production of shale gas or other needs), then all allegedly privatized areas can be legally taken away without any compensation.

              A land lease is concluded with the owner of the land, and for communications a servitude. The towers will not stand underground. Only shale gas is produced at a cost price of 2 times more expensive than usual. This is with American technology.
            2. Skavron
              Skavron April 26 2013 13: 12 New
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              Quote: Ascetic
              Anything deeper than this layer of the earth does not belong to the owner!

              I am afraid that everything "below" is subsoil and belongs to the state. I don’t think it’s different in Russia. Ascetic, can you tell me about Russia?
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic April 26 2013 20: 44 New
                +3
                Quote: Skavron
                I am afraid that everything "below" is subsoil and belongs to the state. I don’t think it’s different in Russia. Ascetic, can you tell me about Russia?


                Land Code [16] of the Russian Federation (hereinafter - the RF Land Code) defines a land plot as an object of land relations - it is part of the surface of the earth (including the soil layer), the boundaries of which are described and certified in the prescribed manner.

                In accordance with Cadastre Act [17] a land plot is a part of the surface of the earth (including the surface soil layer), the boundaries of which are described and certified in the prescribed manner by the authorized state body, as well as everything that is above and below the surface of the site, unless otherwise provided by federal laws on subsoil, on the use of airspace, etc.

                link

                Ownership of land in (in) Ukraine

                acquired and implemented on the basis of the Constitution of Ukraine, this Code, as well as other laws issued in accordance with them (part 2, article 78).
                The ownership of the land is distributed within it on the surface (ground) layer, as well as on water bodies, forests and perennial plantings located on it (Part 2, Article 79).
                The ownership of the land plot extends to the space above and below the surface of the plot on the height and depth required for the construction of housing, industrial and other buildings and structures (Part 3, Article 79).

                link

                Catch the difference? If in Russia the depth of the owner’s land is not regulated, then in (c) Ukraine, to the depth of the foundation of the owner’s construction, everything below it does not belong to the law.
                1. andrejwz
                  andrejwz April 27 2013 00: 41 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  everything above and below the surface of the site, unless otherwise provided by federal subsoil laws

                  1.2 Article. Subsoil Property
                  Bosom within the borders of the territory of the Russian Federation, including the underground space and minerals contained in the bowels, energy and other resources, are state property.
            3. Felix200970
              Felix200970 April 26 2013 19: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: Ascetic
              I heard that all Ukrainian owners of privatized land allotments engaged in agricultural activities in their plots do not have ownership rights to the subsoil of these allotments, but only to the top layer of land, up to 2 meters deep! Anything deeper than this layer of the earth does not belong to the owner!

              I will say more: he does not belong to the 2 upper meters either. Because we have every gopher agronomist. And in general WE are the world champions in inventing and knocking out taxes request
          2. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm April 26 2013 22: 34 New
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            Quote: Egoza
            Geyropa unequivocally relies on the fertile lands of Ukraine

            There is no problem for a gay person, take money and buy agricultural land, Gerard Depardieu says they bought land for vineyards in Crimea.
            Quote: Egoza
            have a good shale gas

            There are too many problems with shale gas, Europeans immediately jerked and then again to Russia, which means that not everything is simple with shale gas.
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 26 2013 11: 08 New
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          Quote: saturn.mmm
          if the EU considered it necessary to accept Ukraine into their ranks, they would have done it a long time ago, but why do they need Ukraine?


          Europe is interested in Ukraine as much as Ukraine can spoil Russia. Not more.
          1. Natalia
            Natalia April 26 2013 12: 38 New
            +6
            Quote: Ascetic
            Europe is interested in Ukraine as much as Ukraine can spoil Russia. Not more.

            Golden Words, further down the line, America needs Europe as much as it can cripple Russia.
            Horseman on rider and rider chases lol ))))
            1. avt
              avt April 26 2013 12: 58 New
              +4
              Quote: Natalia
              Horseman on rider and rider chases

              Rather, the blind lead the blind.
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic April 26 2013 16: 00 New
                +5
                Quote: avt
                Rather, the blind lead the blind.
                1. Natalia
                  Natalia April 26 2013 16: 14 New
                  +5
                  in this way, we came to the point where all the evil of the world comes from .....
                  Do you remember how Hugo Chavez, speaking at the UN Assembly, called Bush the devil))))): "Here (says) the devil stood, here it still smells of sulfur"))) lol good
                  So the way it is. Some homosexuals with lesbians, and a bunch of energy vampires who seek to enjoy other people's energy.
      2. kostella85
        kostella85 April 26 2013 09: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: hrych
        Like it or not, now the regime is pro-Russian and there is no need to put pressure on it. Gradual strengthening of the CU with the weakening of the EU, something that will bring Ukraine home and no need to rush


        In connection with the current situation in the CU (lack of duties), the cooperative ties between the enterprises of our countries and Ukrainian enterprises (according to experts) will weaken if they do not break at all for 3-5 years.
        These are the laws of the wound. That is, after 5 years, Ukraine’s entry into the CU will be unprofitable for none of the parties - Ukraine will have nothing to offer to the markets of Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and at the same time, goods from these countries will finally kill Ukrainian production.

        So let it be determined right now, while from this entry of Ukraine into the CU all the participants will benefit a lot !!!
        1. hrych
          hrych April 26 2013 18: 00 New
          +4
          So Yanek and Azarov scratch their turnips, and this way they count, and then the North Stream has earned, the South has begun to build, all sorts of Klitschky are waving their fists, the old woman with a scythe or a scythe from the jail is hysterical. You will not envy the peasants. Let the turnips scratch further and look at the Greeks, how they are turned into the third grade.
      3. shark
        shark April 26 2013 09: 35 New
        +5
        The regime in Ukraine is not pro-Russian. The power in Ukraine is the most that neither the Ukrainian-mind.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia April 26 2013 14: 13 New
          +6
          Quote: shark
          The regime in Ukraine is not pro-Russian. The power in Ukraine is the most that neither the Ukrainian-mind.

          A different mode, it will be clear after a while, depending on whose missile defense appears there faster:
          - if elements of the American missile defense are deployed, the pro-Western regime in Ukraine will be read out.
          - if elements of the Russian missile defense are deployed, then the pro-Russian regime for any
          I know only one thing for sure, there will never be a Ukrainian missile defense.
          The moral of the story is ...
      4. Moon
        Moon April 26 2013 20: 51 New
        +1
        I go nuts from this pro-Russian regime

        At a meeting of the Ukraine-NATO joint high-level working group on defense reform on April 25, Kiev will discuss issues related to the fulfillment by the Ukrainian side of its obligations towards the signing of the Association Agreement with the EU.

        .......... Linking Ukraine’s cooperation with the Alliance with European integration of the state, the head of the Ukraine’s Mission to NATO, Igor Dolgov, recalled that the Chicago Summit’s declaration refers to the democratization of society and the establishment of the rule of law in Ukraine. “Therefore, as a military-political organization, NATO proceeds from the fact that certain democratic values ​​and principles are common to both the European Union and NATO. And, therefore, they are common to Ukraine, ”explained Dolgov.
        The ambassador specified that the format of the work of the working group provides for the participation of representatives of all member countries of the Alliance.

        http://www.ukrinform.ua/rus/news/rabochaya_gruppa_ukraina_nato_proanaliziruet_po
        dgotovku_strani_k_podpisaniyu_assotsiatsii_s_es_1514118

        Right now, there will be screams that Russia is also cooperating with NATO.
        Yes, cooperates, but does not wave.
    2. UFO
      UFO April 26 2013 08: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: kostella85
      changes its position once every half a year,

      If they enter the EU, then they will begin to change the gender, it’s now fashionable there. Soon there will be a concept: European = gay! wink
  4. ABV
    ABV April 26 2013 08: 25 New
    17
    The amazing country of Ukraine. It would seem - look what happened to Bulgaria, Romania, the Baltic states after the entry - they killed their own energy and forced to buy from the e-union at higher prices, the industry was bought up or destroyed, residents work in the eurozone countries as second-rate servants ... The European Union eats new members! But no, everything is the same ...
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled April 26 2013 08: 41 New
      +4
      if Ukrainian politicians thought about the people ... request
      there are enough beggars in the European Union. in my opinion, to destroy what is still working in Ukraine (there is no need for competition for the Europeans) and to drive their products to Ukraine is the economic goal of the European Union. the political goal can be characterized as "the fewer allies Russia has, the better for Europe (and not only)."
      1. tttttt
        tttttt April 26 2013 09: 05 New
        +5
        In Ukraine, there is no one to think about the people. The top needs to be cleaned completely from parasites.
        1. Felix200970
          Felix200970 April 26 2013 20: 10 New
          0
          I would like to clarify: the top needs to be cleared ALL the point. There is nobody there except parasites
        2. Cheloveck
          Cheloveck April 26 2013 23: 28 New
          0
          Quote: tttttt
          In Ukraine, there is no one to think about the people. The top needs to be cleaned completely from parasites.

          Hmm, if only in Ukraine ....
    2. Heccrbq
      Heccrbq April 26 2013 08: 48 New
      +2
      Ordinary residents understand everything, the elite and the government, who fear for their grandmothers, are dragging Ukraine into the pidosoyuz.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza April 26 2013 09: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: ABV
      But no, everything is the same ...

      We have not all plundered. That left 13% of state enterprises. Here's how to plunder a mustache .... quickly reel fishing rods and torn for permanent residence in Europe. And Ukraine ... well, the territory will remain with an endangered population. To whom it is necessary - take it. am
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. April 26 2013 10: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        as soon as we plunder the mustache .... quickly reel fishing rods and tear for permanent residence in Europe

        This is reality, and the aforementioned "laws in May" are fantastic. We would like to unite with the Customs Union - we would have joined long ago. Look, the Indians, Vietnamese, Kirghiz want, they say so directly about it.

        "India announced its intention to join the Customs Union"
        telegrafist.org/2013/03/21/46811/

        "WTO does not bother Bishkek: Kyrgyzstan joins the Customs Union"
        www.qwas.ru/ukraine/vitrenko/VTO-Bishkeku-ne-meshaet-Kirgizija-vstupaet-v-Tamozh
        ennyi-sojuz /

        "Vietnam wishes to join the Customs Union."
        www.politika-magazine.ru/novosti-politiki/549-vetnam-zhelaet-prisoedinitsya-k-ta
        mozhennomu-soyuzu.html

        And in Ukraine, the rhetoric that the Kremlin is dragging Ukraine into a vehicle. And to say the least.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa April 26 2013 12: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          and the aforementioned "laws in May" are fantastic. We would like to unite with the Customs Union - would have joined long ago

          We write no less straightforwardly: "Ukraine and the countries of the Customs Union are negotiating on various formats of cooperation, said the acting head of the department of information policy of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Yevhen Perebynis.
          "Negotiations regarding a possible format for cooperation between Ukraine and the CU are ongoing, various options for such cooperation are being discussed, this is the option "3 + 1", as well as others, including the one that the Prime Minister of Ukraine spoke about, "Perebiynis said at a press conference on Wednesday.
          On the eve of the Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov said that Kiev is negotiating a format for cooperation with the countries of the Customs Union in observer status.
          Perebiynis noted that it did not follow from the words of the head of government that this is already a fait accompli. "It was about the fact that Ukraine would like to agree on such a format", - demethylamine.
          According to him, any agreements on the format of cooperation between Kiev and the countries of the CU have not yet been reached, but Foreign Ministry hopes that this will happen in the near future.http://rian.com.ua/politics/20130320/337134733.html
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. April 26 2013 12: 44 New
            +4
            Quote: Kaa
            We write no less straightforwardly: "Ukraine and the countries of the Customs Union are negotiating various formats of cooperation

            This is "right" - right only on the globe of Ukraine. This is again for a pittance fish. This, as the unforgettable hero of Bulgakov said: "I will take the registration, and fight - a shish with butter."

            All the search for some formats - we will take everything that is beneficial to us, the rest is your problems. As far as I remember, it was Ukraine that made the CIS incapable of such a position. And this integration project had to be simply abandoned.

            Now the policy is more balanced: if you want to join, you have to fulfill all the agreements of the CU. To the EU, something Ukraine does not make such demands. There, the EU makes demands on Ukraine numerous and enslaving.
            1. Kaa
              Kaa April 26 2013 13: 56 New
              +4
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              There the EU makes demands on Ukraine numerous and enslaving
              Serve flies separately, cutlets separately. Association with the EU is not accession to the EU, but just the opposite - a turn from the gate. "Ukraine has almost no chances to sign an association agreement with the European Union this year. This opinion was expressed by political scientist of the Union of Young Political Scientists Nikolai Spiridonov on the air of" Era- FM ", reports NewsOboz.org with reference to Gazeta.ua.
              "As for the association, there is practically no chance that it will be signed. If by some miracle the association is signed, then this is actually a diplomatic form of refusal of EU membership. It does not give any real rights to Ukraine, but in fact gives an obligation Even if Yanukovych now releases Tymoshenko from prison, which they insist on, but puts Azarov, Arbuzov and even his own son Alexander in prison, I think they will not give an association even for such a manifestation of democracy, ”Spiridonov said.
              Recall that the leaders of the opposition factions appealed to the EU with an appeal to sign an association agreement. Note, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that in order to get closer to the European Union, Ukraine needs to overcome "a number of problems." Http://newsoboz.org/politika/soglashenie-ob -assotsiatsii --- eto-dip
              lomaticheskiy-otkaz-v-22042013020700
              AND WITH CONFIDENCE I CAN SAY THAT THESE PROBLEMS WILL NOT BE OVERCOMED.
              ENTRY IN THE CU IS A QUESTION OF TIME AND PATIENCE, OTHERWISE WE HAVE APPASITION SO THE PEOPLE WILL EXCIT THAT THE STATES OF UKRAINE WILL DISAPPEAR FROM THE WORLD CARD.
              The administration of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych is looking for alternative recipes to control the legislative branch of government. According to a high-ranking source in the Party of Regions, the president's team is now seriously considering the most radical way to solve the problem - to abolish the current Verkhovna Rada and make the parliament a bicameral one, according to the Ukrainian edition of Glavkom. As the material says, the total composition of the Verkhovna Rada will be reduced by 100 people, which will be the main argument in agitation for such an innovation. In addition, the main emphasis will be placed on regional representation in the upper chamber, which will supposedly be the spokesman for the interests of local elites. It is obvious that 90% of the composition of the upper house will be under the full control of the president. According to a source in the Party of Regions, a new bicameral parliament may be elected in 2013.
              http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1641797.html#ixzz2RYrj8sa5
              The fact is that in the fall of this year, the authorities planned to hold a referendum in Ukraine.
              Here is what journalist Vyacheslav Pishovshek said about this at the round table "Is Ukraine on the verge of a parliamentary crisis?", Reports lb.ua.
              "My sources of information say the following: there will be a referendum in Ukraine. This referendum will concern a one hundred percent majority," he said.
              In addition, according to Pikhovshek, the issue of a bicameral parliament and a federal system of Ukraine will be put to a referendum.
              Commenting on the statement on preparations for the referendum, "regional" Oleg Zarubinsky said: "This option (holding an all-Ukrainian referendum, - ed.) Is being considered, but I will not say that some kind of reinforced concrete decision has been made regarding this." Andrei Ilyenko said: "If the authorities announce a referendum, we must prepare for a revolution."
              PS. By the way, I spoke about the upcoming referendum on the parliamentary channel "Rada" and the regional Mikhail Chechetov.http: //alternate-politics.info/content/stsenarii_razdrobleniya_ukrainy_z
              apustyat_osenyu
              1. Moon
                Moon April 26 2013 21: 10 New
                0
                Well, Pikhovshik is a well-known licker of the regionals, who is part of the journalistic pool of President Yanukovych. So, as grit "you want to live - you will not be so hot."
                What is a referendum for?
                1. reduce the number of deputies so that it is easier for the regionals to buy up “non-aligned”
                2. Remove immunity to put the opposition on the chain. She (the opposition) may like it or not, but when it doesn’t become like that, what will remain? Slitters?
                3. introducing a majority vote so that item 1 is facilitated to a minimum.
                As a result, an obedient parliament in all respects, or rather authoritarianism.

                Federalization? Dear A spoon for dinner.
                While the authorities are pushing Tyagniboku hard, I doubt that the "will" of the people will be correct.

                Now about the Association.
                EU requirements for Ukraine from 19 miraculously reduced to 7 and there is no longer a word about Tymoshenko.

                And finally

                Glazyev: To watch is to not participate. Ukraine is an observer in the EurAsEC and practically does not take part in its work. To be an observer is deceit in order to deceive public opinion. There is no such status yet, and I'm not sure whether it will be or not. So far these are words. Legally, this status cannot give anything at all, even if it is invented. This is the same as the 3 + 1 formula - also to deceive the general public, so that people hope that some kind of process is going on. There is no such formula 3 + 1. Either you participate or not, but 3 + 1 = 4, and every first-grader knows this, but for some reason the Ukrainian leadership has a different logic.
  5. Canep
    Canep April 26 2013 08: 34 New
    +4
    I do not think that it is necessary to grant Ukraine observer status of the CU, especially since the charter does not have such an opportunity. Let him choose, west or east, you can not take two trains at once.
    1. kostella85
      kostella85 April 26 2013 09: 21 New
      -1
      Quote: Canep
      Let him choose

      Sapper + + + + + + + + + drinks
      1. Canep
        Canep April 26 2013 09: 49 New
        0
        Rahmet ... oh thanks, but I don’t drink. laughing
        1. Grey74
          Grey74 April 26 2013 12: 08 New
          0
          and do it right !!! I'll throw it too !!!
  6. Captain Vrungel
    Captain Vrungel April 26 2013 08: 37 New
    +8
    Well, the power in Ukraine does not smell. Pahanat. Concepts elevated to the law. The country is completely under the ryganyalnoy mafia throughout the power vertical. Open chaos. Iniquity. Everything is captured from which you can download money. Sunny Odessa. Captured beaches and coasts. How mushrooms grow MAFs (street trading booths, Small Architectural Forms). The city is completely captured by Donetsk bandits. They control the entire business. Under them are all markets. Lies, hypocrisy, cynicism, arrogance, supremacy of brute force.
    The opposition, yes, it is not fully understood. There is a handful of those who have been pushed aside and are climbing to the power trough. Those who only know how to promote themselves in the media and do not have a program or tactics of struggle. And what kind of opposition could there be among millionaires? Just potential "carcasses" to protect their interests.
    What can we expect? Clarification of relations between Yanukovych and fellow party members. The "family" openly implants its entourage in key posts. Yanukovych would be happy if they voted for no confidence in Azarov. This is his dream. Get rid of Smell and Cabinet. Place your own and seat your own. Completely usurp power and, having bought up the carcasses (the opposition is on the verge of split and self-liquidation), privatize the Rada. Rule forever. Live richly and happily. Press down the people. These "kazlov" interfering with his life. Then his problem will be solved with whom to adhere. East or West? The son "dentist Sasha" will decide where he will be more comfortable.
    1. Canep
      Canep April 26 2013 08: 48 New
      +2
      If everything is as you write, then you need to wait for a split.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel April 26 2013 09: 07 New
        +6
        Who should be split? The people both in the West and in the East live their own life parallel to the power and do not at all seek to climb into the name of politics. All rallies and demonstrations are purely paid events, including "naked boobs" femen. Who pays, for that and shake. There is still bread, there are enough spectacles. What else does the bulk of the people need. The people showed their attitude at the elections. Less than half came to vote, taking into account the compulsory one for prison camps, military units and mental hospitals.
        1. Canep
          Canep April 26 2013 09: 47 New
          +1
          When the people have nothing to eat then the main show will begin.
        2. Gato
          Gato April 26 2013 11: 19 New
          +3
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Who should crack? The people in the West and in the East live their own life parallel to the authorities and do not at all strive to get into the name of politics.


          Absolutely accurate definition. The people and power in Ukraine (and only in Ukraine?) Live, as it were, in parallel realities. The majority of people work for themselves, sometimes being distracted by all sorts of shows like gladiatorial fights in parliament and other clowning. The people treat the authorities as some kind of cross between a circus and a brothel - it’s fun to watch, but sometimes you want to burn it.
          And as for the elections - according to my observations, less than a third voted in general. I won’t speak for the whole of Kiev, but I, for example, last went to the polls in 1987, being on an urgent in the SA — and that’s because I could not slope and flush to the field exit.
        3. Egoza
          Egoza April 26 2013 16: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          While there is bread, there are enough spectacles.

          that's it, that "bye"
          "It is now possible to export grain from Ukraine in unlimited quantities
          Prisyajnyuk removed all restrictions on wheat exports
          Grain traders can export wheat from Ukraine until the end of the current marketing year in unlimited volumes. This was announced by Vitaliy Sabluk, agent director of the department for economic development of the agrarian market of the Ministry of Agrarian Development.
          http://www.segodnya.ua/economics/enews/Vyvozit-zerno-iz-Ukrainy-teper-mozhno-v-n
          eogranichennyh-kolichestvah.html
          S ... S ... S ... S ... S ... S ... S ... S ... S ...
          Considering the greed of our elite and the "businessmen", we can be left without bread!
          1. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel April 26 2013 19: 34 New
            +1
            People will not be left without bread, but they will be forced to pay double. The bandits have worked out schemes. Remember sugar, buckwheat. The ship is loaded in Odessa with grain for export. He goes to Illichivsk already with imported grain, according to the documents. People with bread, bandits with a fat. And given that everything is in the hands of the ruling bandits, they won’t even touch the grain on the elevators. There will be a rustling of documents from office to office.
  7. Good man
    Good man April 26 2013 08: 52 New
    -7
    This is some kind of mass insanity - like we must definitely enter somewhere and transfer our sovereignty to someone. Neo-imperialists from Brussels and Moscow can go through the woods with their alliances - they have already seen how this all ends.
    1. hrych
      hrych April 26 2013 08: 57 New
      11
      This is the law of society, when the baby, if he does not join the gang, everyone will frown.
      1. Good man
        Good man April 26 2013 09: 24 New
        -7
        Quote: hrych
        This is the law of society, when the baby, if he does not join the gang, everyone will frown.

        neither Brussels nor Moscow can stare at the present while Ukraine can at any moment go the other way.
        Quote: Den 11
        And now it’s impossible to do it alone (on their own). It is necessary to beat to some shore. Make a choice

        Here the Swiss with the Turks and all sorts of Asians are developing without any customs unions and transfer of sovereignty. So all this is a fairy tale of the Brussels-Moscow forest.
        1. hrych
          hrych April 26 2013 09: 48 New
          12
          Turkey is in NATO and generally under external control, as is Switzerland. There are very few non-aligned states and all of them are potential victims (a typical example is Iraq, Libya and Syria). At the expense of Ukraine, walking in different directions, it’s not quite like that again, the alien fleet is in Sevastopol, although Yusch was puffed up there, but where is he. Like it or not, Ukraine is not under complete, but under the control of the Kremlin and even in the most orange years. You can control a gas crane when the EU can drain its offspring, etc. What is done through Onishchenko, stronger than bombs and rockets, costs a barge and minassals to boycott and Saakashvili is already kind of president, but without power. All Asians, you had in mind South Korea and Japan, but they are actually occupied by the States. S. Korea is independent there, and Vietnam, which without the USSR would have been an American brothel.
          1. Good man
            Good man April 26 2013 10: 40 New
            -8
            Quote: hrych
            Turkey is in NATO and generally under external control, as is Switzerland.
            Well then, everything is under external control, and then join these unions? We will be like Switzerland, and then we'll see what will happen to Belarus and Kazakhstan after a couple of years of life in the vehicle.
            Quote: hrych
            Like it or not, Ukraine is not under complete, but under the control of the Kremlin and even in the most orange years.

            Why then are we not in the CU and CSTO? Is the GTS still Ukrainian?
            Quote: hrych
            What is done through Onishchenko, stronger than bombs and missiles, is worth a barge and minassals are boycotting, and Saakashvili is already kind of a president, but without power.
            It’s funny. Ivaneshvili is simply a rebranding of Saakashvelism.
            Quote: hrych
            S. Korea is independent there, yes Vietnam,

            Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 11: 59 New
              +8
              Quote: Good man
              We’ll be like Switzerland, but we'll see

              With the collapse of the USSR, even those citizens of the Independent Square said: we will live as in the Storage wink 22 years passed belay failed to live, as in the Storage, now they want to live, as in Switzerland laughing
              1. Skavron
                Skavron April 26 2013 14: 04 New
                -3
                Well, yes, but in the Far East paradise)))
                Only the population declined by 50%
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 14: 33 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Skavron
                  Well, yes, but in the Far East paradise)))

                  Yes, somehow we do not complain.
                  Quote: Skavron
                  Only the population declined by 50%

                  20% is approximately objective. If it were 50%, then we would not only solve the housing problem, but entire blocks of houses would be empty.
                  1. Skavron
                    Skavron April 26 2013 15: 10 New
                    -7
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yes, somehow we do not complain.

                    And we do not complain)
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    20% is approximately objective.

                    Well, I didn’t count, I read your sites on the Far East and demographics ... although, of course, if the site is liberal, then they could have added.
                    But judging by the reports of bloggers, you don’t have sugar, of course, not sugar ...
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 15: 19 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Skavron
                      ... although, of course, if the site is liberalistic, they could have been prone.

                      Yes, more than.
                      Quote: Skavron
                      But judging by the reports of bloggers, you don’t have sugar, of course, not sugar ...

                      Complaints about losers are everywhere, but what exactly is not sugar in us, even though I will know?
                      1. Skavron
                        Skavron April 26 2013 15: 58 New
                        -4
                        I remember the prices very high, well, there’s probably the problem of expensive logistics
                        infrastructure as a whole
                        workplaces
                        Well, it's from memory. Now I was looking for someone to read, I can not find. If anything, I will unsubscribe in PM. It will be interesting the opinion of someone else and the opinion of the local)
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 16: 24 New
                        +6
                        Quote: Skavron
                        I remember the prices very high,

                        Despite what, many goods and lower will be China at hand and Japan
                        Quote: Skavron
                        infrastructure as a whole

                        For example?
                        Quote: Skavron
                        workplaces

                        Val, I do not want to work.
                      3. Natalia
                        Natalia April 26 2013 16: 36 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Skavron
                        I remember the prices very high, well, there’s probably the problem of expensive logistics
                        infrastructure as a whole
                        workplaces
                        Well, it's from memory. Now I was looking for someone to read, I can not find.

                        In short, you cannot answer specifically because you do not have information. You were specifically asked what we have not sugar .... to which you actually answered: "aabbb ... cc .... yeah ... yeah ... bbbb..pppp ......"
                        that’s all that you answered.
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 16: 40 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Natalia

                        In short, you cannot answer specifically

                        Here she is missing and immediately went into battle angry
                        Hi Natasha! What are you looking for who would be clean laughing
                      5. Natalia
                        Natalia April 26 2013 16: 46 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Hi Natasha! What are you looking for who would be clean

                        Hi!))) lol
                        I am very peaceful, I am "incapable" of causing any harm to anyone) winked
                        For me, human rights are "first of all", and to clean up something for someone is simply not democratic.)))
                      6. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 16: 52 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Natalia
                        and to clean someone something is simply not democratic.)))

                        Democratizer is always at hand wink
                      7. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt April 26 2013 16: 58 New
                        +3
                        some non-patriotic democratizer, so probably recourse
                      8. Natalia
                        Natalia April 26 2013 17: 10 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        some non-patriotic democratizer, so probably

                        But this is not a democratizer, it’s a nationalizer-collectivizer)))))
                      9. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 17: 14 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        some non-patriotic democratizer

                        On this democratizer, the inscription Made in Russia, so full patriotism.
                      10. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt April 26 2013 17: 16 New
                        +3
                        Well .. if you are planed from Russian birch, then there are no questions soldier The last argument of the queens)
                  2. Natalia
                    Natalia April 26 2013 17: 03 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Democratizer is always at hand

                    lol laughing .......... Russifier winked
                  3. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 17: 11 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Natalia
                    .. Russifier

                    Yes, you already lit up when you went for bread laughing Or maybe not for bread ..... winked
                  4. Natalia
                    Natalia April 26 2013 17: 24 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yes, you already lit up when you went for bread Or maybe not for bread .....

                    lol smile ..... this is not for bread))))))))))))))))
                  5. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 17: 25 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Natalia
                    ... it's not for bread))))

                    Mother-in-law got ... I understand wassat
                  6. Natalia
                    Natalia April 26 2013 17: 32 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Mother-in-law got ... I understand

                    laughing laughing laughing )))))
                    Well, so can I say .... winked
            2. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt April 26 2013 17: 14 New
              +3
              As I understand it, you wet the enemies with two hands .. Yes .. there are girls on Russian Forums hi !
            3. Natalia
              Natalia April 26 2013 17: 28 New
              +2
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              As I understand it, you kill enemies with two hands ..

              lol )))))
  8. Skavron
    Skavron April 26 2013 16: 49 New
    -3
    That's why I asked the local !!!
    * stop the tantrum! )))
    Quote: Skavron
    But judging by the reports of bloggers

    Clear?
  • smile
    smile April 26 2013 18: 08 New
    +3
    Alexander Romanov
    Yeah ... this Storage has reminded me of a grandmother's neighbor - in 91 she boasted to us (we talked normally, since she didn’t consider us Russians) how the Lithuanians would heal, dropping the Russian needle, they would fly to Paris, for dinner - to Rome ... yeah, Rome ... now she has an average pension less than a communal apartment for a two-room apartment, if it weren’t for her children, she would have wondered ... now he hisses about EU thieves. who deceived the gullible Lithuanians ... but the Russians are still to blame for everything .... and laughter and sin ... I feel sorry for the grandmother.
  • nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 April 26 2013 22: 53 New
    -2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    want to live like in Switzerland

    not! I remember they just wanted to become the second Switzerland. Therefore, not a poison and a minimum of weapons.
    Here you are with the grin of continuous war. we will keep neutrality.
    something like this...
  • smile
    smile April 26 2013 18: 02 New
    +1
    Good man
    What kind of sovereignty have you found in Switzerland? Don't tell my shoes. And Turkey only had it at the dawn of the Ottomans. when they tried to conquer the world ... and then - "the sick man of Europe", trying to awkwardly maneuver within the corridor indicated by external forces ...
    And on the other side, your elite has already taken Ukraine away - to the panel ... there is nowhere to go further ... and this, unfortunately, is not a fairy tale - this is a harsh reality ... sympathize ...
  • Day 11
    Day 11 April 26 2013 09: 11 New
    +2
    And now it’s impossible to do it alone (on their own). It is necessary to beat to some shore. Make a choice
  • Garrin
    Garrin April 26 2013 13: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Good man
    This is some kind of mass insanity - like we must definitely enter somewhere and transfer our sovereignty to someone.

    Yes, you already entered and stick out in THIS, by the ears. The main thing is warm, but it stinks. wassat
    1. Good man
      Good man April 26 2013 15: 29 New
      -7
      Quote: Garrin
      Yes, you already entered and stick out in THIS, by the ears. The main thing is warm, but it stinks.

      You get the main head out of THIS or you will choke IT. And where the orderlies look ...
      1. hrych
        hrych April 26 2013 17: 49 New
        +6
        Say, to be Switzerland or Singapore (all these centers have been identified behind the scenes and there are no outsiders), you need to be a banking center, to be Indonesia, you must have oil, well, Thailand sells children and ...
        Unfortunately, Ukraine, except for transit positions (that there is income on the one hand, and problems with sovereignty on the other hand), only the way of Thailand.
        Again, Russia and Antonov is alive, and rocket and space technology, and this is excuse me haitek.
        In the future, you can restore the shipyard, our loaded up. So the choice is between high-tech and the European brothel, so it turns out. Moreover, the EU does not allow to develop either agriculture or industry, because its producers are overstocked. Ukraine does not have the opportunity to sit somewhere on the sidelines and live as it pleases, either geographically or ethnically, that’s respectively the separation of the electorate and the scuffle in the Rada.
      2. smile
        smile April 26 2013 18: 14 New
        +1
        Good man
        There are no places in the psychiatric hospital - the whole is occupied by Svidomo people, so that all the orderlies are at work ... and you. By the way, how do you manage to write? they say that in a straitjacket it’s hard ... with your feet, what are they? :))))
  • smile
    smile April 26 2013 17: 57 New
    +1
    Good man
    But normal Ukrainians saw how it ends. when people come to power with beliefs like yours ... by the way, such leaders give away their sovereignty first of all ... and mass insanity does not threaten Svidomo - they just go to bandarlogs who are completely sneezed from behind - this is such a culling of the brainless mercenary body of their Motherland .. .. Congratulations...
  • fenix57
    fenix57 April 26 2013 08: 53 New
    13
    Yes, the bitter experience of the former social. Alas, for the leadership of Ukraine, the lesson does not serve ...
    Quote: nokki
    It is a pity that all the newly-minted "hetmans" of post-Soviet Ukraine thought and are thinking literally about everything in the world, but not about the fate of long-suffering Ukraine!

    Yes, they had no time, they read a "masterpiece" and cannot make a decision ...
  • tttttt
    tttttt April 26 2013 09: 02 New
    +8
    In addition to the fact that the pahanat, as mentioned above, unfortunately Yanukovych is also a giant with chicken brains, all his decisions are made by his entourage, and there, of course, Ukraine is being packaged into the European Union. Yanukovych doesn’t give a shit about the people. On April 2, at the insistence of the European Union, he signed a decree approving a strategy for the protection and integration of the Roma national minority in Ukraine until 8. Now Slavic Ukraine will turn into a gypsy settler in Europe. Recommendations for joining the European Union are unquestionably being implemented, but to accomplish everything, it’s easier to shoot Ukraine so that it doesn’t suffer. Do the Russians feel sorry for us for a couple of warheads? Do not be afraid, you will kill disproportionately more parasites than people. Living here is simply unbearable for ordinary people.
    1. xan
      xan April 26 2013 17: 27 New
      0
      Quote: tttttt
      In addition to the fact that the pahanat, as mentioned above, unfortunately Yanukovych is also a giant with chicken brains

      saw his press conference. He has such an IQ that such events should be avoided
    2. smile
      smile April 26 2013 18: 16 New
      0
      tttttt
      By the way. the question is - do you have more or less popular politicians who are not part of the Yanukovych camps, or Yushchenko-Tymoshenko, who would be for the reunification of our peoples, or at least for improving relations?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 26 2013 19: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: smile
        and you have more or less popular politicians who are not part of Yanukovych’s camps, or Yushchenko-

        In principle, there is, for example, Medvedchuk, but he is ... Putin's "godfather". Therefore, it will be difficult for him to break through. They listen to Aleksandrovskaya and Tsarkov - both CPUs. Although our members of the forum have negative data about the latter. It is just characteristic that these militant and competent "tovarischi" did not become deputies. They work "in the field". And then we'll see which of the young will appear.
  • omsbon
    omsbon April 26 2013 09: 13 New
    +1
    It turns out that Ukraine has two songs:
    1 - "The unbreakable union of the free republics ...." or
    2 - "You will go to the reindeer, I will go to distant Turkestan ..."

    In general, wait and see.
  • pensioner
    pensioner April 26 2013 09: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: ABV
    The amazing country of Ukraine. It would seem - look what happened to Bulgaria, Romania, the Baltic states after the entry - they killed their own energy and forced to buy from the e-union at higher prices, the industry was bought up or destroyed, residents work in the eurozone countries as second-rate service staff ..

    They know about all this. Do they (in Ukraine) discuss these events in the press or not? What conclusions do you make? Very interesting. Well, they cannot but discuss.
    1. Moon
      Moon April 27 2013 00: 15 New
      -1
      They can. And if it is discussed, it is presented with sauce - they don’t need so much, they will be given everything ... and again about European values, about European health care, the judicial system, and education. All this will come from the association that the EU has with Morocco and Libya.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro April 26 2013 09: 34 New
    +1
    <<< The fact is that simultaneously with the talk about Ukraine's "observer" in the Customs Union in Ukraine itself, certain forces are trying to get through to Brussels. This is due to the upcoming signing of a document on the so-called association of Ukraine and the European Union. >>>
    Svidomo stubbornly trying to sit on two chairs pursuing a policy of ours and yours - who will give more. Clearly, preference is given to the European Union and becoming an observer in the Customs Union, they will simply merge information about it in the West in the best traditions of Mazepa. It is a pity that Khmelnitsky transferred to Ukraine!
    1. fatty
      fatty April 26 2013 09: 57 New
      +5
      Having decided to serve, do not slam the doors.
      take the binge-tony in the writings.
      can not be the same ..
      sit on different trains
      I. guberman
  • fatty
    fatty April 26 2013 09: 40 New
    -4
    and we, Ukrainians, don’t need your cosmos, aviation, or any other scientific and industrial crap. We’ll wash both ... the underpants with our hands and laundry soap, we will darn our footcloths and break it to Europe. we will collect oranges, change diapers, and wonderfully earn a bottle of vodka.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 26 2013 12: 03 New
      0
      Quote: fatty
      , darn footcloths and break to Europe. we will collect oranges, change diapers, and we’ll earn wonderful money on a bottle of vodka.

      Gorilka say sorry you are from drinking chtol winked
  • Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 April 26 2013 09: 41 New
    +2
    Yeah. It’s not a topic to joke, even bitterly. Yes, and jokes on this subject a long time ago with a beard. Brace yourself, brothers. God will give you patience.
    Mother retired, she wanted to go home for permanent residence in the Khmelnitsky region. Barely dissuaded.
  • ed65b
    ed65b April 26 2013 10: 06 New
    +3
    It is high time for the Ukrainian leaders to decide, as one movie character said, "Don't pull the cat for all the details," and then build normal relations with both the UES and Russia. everything is clear and understandable. With all the ensuing pluses and minuses and what will be more pluses or minuses, nobody seems to know or they know and are silent.
  • knn54
    knn54 April 26 2013 10: 25 New
    +3
    YANUSkovich, what can I say ...
  • revnagan
    revnagan April 26 2013 10: 32 New
    0
    For Yanyk’s behavior in places not so distant (where his turbulent youth passed), there is a definition between fuck .. and not fuck .. out. That's where it turns.
  • Makarov
    Makarov April 26 2013 10: 35 New
    +5
    As one captain said: "Ukraine is like a prostitute (God forgive me) - cancer towards Europe, (unprintable word denoting a face) towards Russia and everyone bugs her from all sides" ... it was 2008 ... nothing changed ... ...
  • Egoza
    Egoza April 26 2013 10: 48 New
    +4
    [b] The Galician nation plans to gain autonomy [/ b] 05 April 2013
    Soon Galicia may become an autonomous republic within Ukraine! This
    probability became possible in connection with the entry into force of the Law of Ukraine "On
    All-Ukrainian and local referenda. "
    The initiative group has already begun its work, and carries out all its activities in
    compliance with applicable law and even ahead of requirements
    stipulated by legal norms. galychyna.info

    About two months ago, I don’t remember exactly when, in the 2000 I read an interview with Yatsenyuk, in which he also spoke about the Customs Union. Yatsenyuk said that from the point of view of material, economic, joining the CU for Ukraine is very profitable. But after this recognition (valuable in the mouth of the orange politician), he spoke out,

    that TS is an association, first of all, political, but not economic,

    that joining the CU will lead to the loss of political sovereignty by Ukraine,

    that joining the CU is interesting for dumb people, for whom the main thing is grub, and not freedom,

    that if Yanukovych and the oligarchs of the Party of Regions benefit from Ukraine’s accession to the CU, then they would have long been pushing it.

    [b] Ukraine promises to fulfill 71 condition for signing the Agreement with the EU [/ b]
    “Out of ten laws, four have already been adopted, two of which are on first reading. I hope that when the parliament returns from the May holidays, by the end of the month all other legislation will also be adopted. I am sure that the 71 item will be completed, ”Klyuyev assured.
    [b] The European Union has reduced the list of requirements for Ukraine. The surname of Tymoshenko disappeared (But this is very valuable for Yanukovych!)

    http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/228980
    [b] If Ukraine will be granted a visa-free regime with EU countries, then citizens of Ukraine will begin to leave the country en masse. [/ b]
    So believes the People’s Deputy from the Fatherland Arsen Avakov, about which he wrote on his Facebook page.
    “If they provide visa-free entry for ours (and that’s what’s coming), then ... relatively speaking, half the country will leave. At once ", - the people's deputy is convinced.
    http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/228969
    S ... S ... S ... S ... S ... S ... S ... S ... S ...
    A very hot autumn awaits us! And we'll see. No wonder the authorities are afraid to hold a referendum.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. April 26 2013 11: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      Soon Galicia may become an autonomous republic within Ukraine!

      Perhaps they should immediately be granted independence?
      This would solve many problems immediately.
    2. SIT
      SIT April 26 2013 12: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      If Ukraine will be granted a visa-free regime with the EU countries, then the citizens of Ukraine will begin to leave the country en masse

      Visa-free to the EU means visa to Russia. In terms of the amount of money transferred from Russia to the Motherland by guest workers, Ukraine is in 1st place. Behind it Uzbekistan, Tajikistan. How many Ukrainians will manage to keep their jobs in Russia? After all, you will have to get a work visa, not a tourist one. Otherwise, the day before the settlement, the employer simply informs the immigration service the day before the settlement, they come and departe everyone without any salary. The officials will also receive a kickback from the savings.
  • Good man
    Good man April 26 2013 10: 52 New
    -11
    Quote: Makarov
    As one captain said
    It only speaks of the lack of sex life with your captain and nothing more laughing
    1. Gecko
      Gecko April 26 2013 13: 22 New
      +2
      Sadomasochism - this is your favorite pastime (sexual perversion), go to this site and get minuses and negativity, for your pouring mud on Russians on the Russian resource.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron April 26 2013 14: 11 New
        -1
        Quote: gecko
        for your pouring mud at the Russian Russian resource.

        here you friend is wrong
        Russian just no one obs..et
        I also slammed a lot of minuses, just find at least one comment where I said bad things about Russians or Russia?
        1. Gecko
          Gecko April 26 2013 14: 38 New
          +2
          I'm talking about a specific person, not about you.
          Compare your epaulettes and him, and you will understand who communicates on the merits.
          1. Skavron
            Skavron April 26 2013 15: 07 New
            -5
            and where exactly specifically doused with Russian mud?
            1. Skavron
              Skavron April 26 2013 16: 54 New
              -3
              ABOUT!!! My personal minusers pulled themselves up))))
              For what minus bunnies? laughing
      2. Good man
        Good man April 26 2013 15: 43 New
        -5
        Quote: gecko
        Sadomasochism - this is your favorite pastime (sexual perversion), go to this site and get minuses and negativity, for your pouring mud on Russians on the Russian resource.

        Quote: Makarov
        As one captain said: "Ukraine is like a prostitute (God forgive me) - cancer towards Europe, (unprintable word denoting a face) towards Russia and everyone bugs her from all sides" ... it was 2008 ... nothing changed ... ...

        And am I still dousing someone? It’s more correct to say that Russians on a Russian site pour mud on Ukraine ...
        P.S. I don’t give a damn about it - I’m not a child.
    2. Makarov
      Makarov April 26 2013 17: 16 New
      +1
      this cap has everything in order with the mountain man and his hands, and judging by his women and everything else ... he rose in a civilian way in a year as many hard workers can’t do in his whole life, and he deservedly, working hard and pointing to his superiors mistakes and dullness. But I don’t know who you are, and I don’t really want to know ....
  • USNik
    USNik April 26 2013 11: 03 New
    +3
    And all this extravaganza of insanity is happening now, but what will be closer to the presidential election ?? (PS Off-topic, but the news is fresh: Nazi people from Lvov banned Red flags for the celebration of May 9 ...)
  • Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 April 26 2013 11: 11 New
    +1
    As far as I understand in Europe it is difficult to sell anything.
    More likely to survive with Russia.
    Again, we will not bomb for "chemical weapons".
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 26 2013 11: 26 New
    +3
    Ukraine for Russia, it’s like Austria for Germany, the time will come and we will wait for our March 13, 1938. They won’t get anywhere from us.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks April 26 2013 11: 50 New
      0
      you can’t even imagine can’t imagine what kind of economic burden will fall on Russia, why do you think Ukraine is not accepted into the EU? for the same reason. for 20 years, European integrators have plundered and destroyed everything that is possible. You will not believe what indicators Ukraine has withdrawn from the USSR, Kravchuk, was right to say that Ukraine could become the second France, and so what? IMHO, to see Ukraine in the Customs Union, but in the composition it’s unlikely, and even with such cockroaches in Svidomo heads
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil April 26 2013 12: 10 New
        +1
        If we are content only with economic expediency, then we won’t go far, we’ll restore it, we’ll hang orange and all OUN members and then we'll see.
        1. Mefodiy
          Mefodiy April 26 2013 12: 42 New
          -13
          Quote: Standard Oil
          If we are content only with economic expediency, then we won’t go far, we’ll restore it, we’ll hang orange and all OUN members and then we'll see.

          And we are on fire (alive) of all kinds of ChK-NKVD-NKGB-MGB-KGB-FSB
          1. Gecko
            Gecko April 26 2013 13: 16 New
            +1
            You also created them at the time.
            No need to say that you have nothing to do with it.
            Several purebred Ukrainians were at the head of the USSR,
            I’m not talking about other top positions,
            and the Ukrainian half-blood ruined the USSR.
            You are from that cohort of Ivanovs who do not remember kinship.
            This is similar to the Georgians who consider themselves offended by the USSR, despite the fact that Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Stalin) has broken so much firewood that this can be summed up under the theme of the genocide of the Russian people.
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks April 26 2013 13: 47 New
              +2
              do not feed the troll, he will not hear you.
        2. seller trucks
          seller trucks April 26 2013 12: 48 New
          0
          I’m embarrassed to ask, how do you want to join Ukraine and in what status?
          1. Skavron
            Skavron April 26 2013 14: 13 New
            -4
            yes yes ... no need to connect us anywhere
            1. Gecko
              Gecko April 26 2013 14: 30 New
              +2
              You will be drawn into the paid policies in the EU, industry as in the Baltic states will die, the population will scatter like cockroaches in Europe from hopelessness in order to find a better share.
              All economic associations, it’s like a financial pyramid, whoever created the first and receives dividends, you will be the last to enter the EU, so you will lose more, i.e. almost everything.
              1. Skavron
                Skavron April 26 2013 14: 32 New
                -3
                Quote: gecko
                You get drawn into paid policies in the EU

                )))))))) Himself not funny?
                Which EU ??? What for is Ukraine needed there?
                She will not enter anywhere ... 10 years of commercials for sure)
                1. Gecko
                  Gecko April 26 2013 14: 39 New
                  +4
                  Do not flatter yourself, the EU will digest Ukraine on the evil of Russia.
                  1. Skavron
                    Skavron April 26 2013 15: 06 New
                    -4
                    Quote: gecko
                    to evil

                    In international politics and economics, no one does anything "for evil".
                    Do not say such things.
                    1. Gecko
                      Gecko April 26 2013 15: 16 New
                      +1
                      Don’t translate into concepts, the essence is clear.
                      Re-read Brzezinski at your leisure
                      1. Skavron
                        Skavron April 26 2013 15: 59 New
                        -5
                        Why do I need Brzezinski?
                        I'm reading you
                        and I’m talking specifically with you, not Brzezinski
                      2. Moon
                        Moon April 26 2013 22: 36 New
                        0
                        The West openly says that Ukraine plays an important role against all associations in the post-Soviet space.
                        Nobody in the West is going to feed Ukraine, not to mention innovations and modernizations, that's why they do not talk about membership. She is destined for the role of the rug in the European hallway.
                        Now I'm watching Schuster. Medvedchuk and Glazyev talk about the economy, and God, forgive him, opponents about European values.
                        I wonder how high in calories these values ​​are. what
                2. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm April 26 2013 23: 22 New
                  +1
                  Quote: gecko
                  Do not flatter yourself, the EU will digest Ukraine on the evil of Russia.

                  The EU from Greece, Portugal and others already has a hernia, and you say it will digest Ukraine, a couple of years later China will be dumping EU goods, so the EU itself will need help. The time has passed when Europe and America sold glass beads to the whole world, a new time is coming.
  • afire
    afire April 26 2013 12: 17 New
    -1
    like a prostitute by golly
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 26 2013 20: 39 New
      -2
      Quote: afire
      like a prostitute by golly

      Dear, you at least quote to whom it refers!
      What about Chernomyrdin "-I don't think ....." And that's it!
      1. afire
        afire April 29 2013 10: 26 New
        0
        and you pay attention to the fact that the post is new, and not the answer to any of the participants. Get smart at least on business!
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 29 2013 21: 09 New
          0
          Quote: afire
          and you pay attention to the fact that the post is new, and not the answer to any of the participants. Get smart at least on business!

          I repeat for alternatively gifted, it is not clear about whom (from the article, so that .... difficult ones would be more understandable) did you write this unprintable phrase? The very use of such phrases speaks of your narrow-minded worldview.
  • Naval
    Naval April 26 2013 12: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Who should crack? The people in the West and in the East live their own life parallel to the authorities and do not at all strive to get into the name of politics.

    Well, don’t tell me, you saw how on May 9 in Lviv the medals were taken off from the veterans. The buses were blocked, they threatened those who went to lay flowers, and this was not an action of frenzied outcasts, but planned by local authorities. No apology, no punishment ... Like a lizard casting its tail. in order to be saved, so Ukraine needs to drop Galicia and, finally, will be restored in the union of fraternal peoples.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel April 26 2013 15: 51 New
      +2
      Well, do not compare paid bandits with all the people. It’s not necessary to impose some heroes on others. Each region should communicate in a language convenient for all. So, the federation will decide everything. In the west they will be friends with those to the west. In the east, with those who are east. Well, Novorossia and the Crimea, born in fire and smoke in baptismal fights, who sanctified these lands with their blood, did not drop the honor and glory of their banners, are ordered to stand on the defense of the southern borders from external adversaries to the glory of Great Russia.
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv April 26 2013 12: 40 New
    +2
    Ukraine will not enter anywhere in the coming years. Ukraine is like a long-ripened pimple, which is about to burst.
    Western Ukraine seeks the EU (has a predominant agricultural production over industrial).
    Eastern Ukraine wants it in the CU because it has, on the contrary, a predominant industrial production over rural, tied to resources and energy from Russia.
    There is still Crimea ...
    Plus, the presidential election is ahead and Yanukovych needs to maintain his position at all costs, otherwise the hour will be swapped with Tymoshenko or the suitcase station.
    So they soar the brains of everyone.
    In reality, Ukraine needs a strong leader, even a tough one, in order to begin to restore order in the country itself, and it will already be visible where to sail, but this is a problem since Ukraine is a parliamentary and not a presidential country.
    So far, Nezalezhnist has driven herself into dependence on her political games, flirting and desire to get rich at the expense of state assets and the budget.
    We wish patience to the Ukrainian people, whose opinions no one is asking now.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 26 2013 14: 15 New
      -4
      Quote: mhpv
      Ukraine will not enter anywhere in the coming years.

      Quote: mhpv
      In reality, Ukraine needs a strong, even tough leader

      That's for exactly the same words, I was badly neglected on this site))
      MCHPV, what country do you live in? Just wondering whether your look is inside or outside.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 26 2013 16: 01 New
        +1
        I live in Russia but was born in Lysychansk hi
    2. smile
      smile April 26 2013 18: 28 New
      +2
      Mhpv
      The first one. what the European Union did after the entry of the Baltic states into it - instantly crushed agriculture with quotas. the fishing fleet and the fishing industry ... the industry itself died due to the reluctance to cooperate with the Russian (to its own evil) and in view of that. that more and more modern machine tools and entire production lines were driven abroad for a penny ... in general, the desire of regions with a predominance of agriculture to join the European Union is an effective way to instantly go around the world - all newly adopted agricultural young European countries have already passed through it countries ... an inexplicable propensity for self-harm ...
  • Opera
    Opera April 26 2013 13: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: retired
    Quote: ABV Amazing country Ukraine. It would seem - look what happened to Bulgaria, Romania, the Baltic states after the entry - they killed their own energy and forced to buy from the e-union at higher prices, the industry was bought up or destroyed, residents work in the eurozone countries as second-rate service staff. all of this is known. Do they (in Ukraine) discuss these events in the press or not? What conclusions do you make? Very interesting. Well, they cannot but discuss.

    They can!
  • marshes
    marshes April 26 2013 13: 51 New
    +1
    For this, Ukraine was planning to establish aircraft production in Kazakhstan, though for our money.
    Postforming (countertops) is excellent, OSBi are awesome, good density and cheaper than Russian, although customs. One side is polished and the other is not for construction. So, if you can say brothers, let's push quality and price if you are in the vehicle prices will make you level, although they speak of competition, but some of your products are of high quality.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 26 2013 14: 18 New
      -3
      Marshes, as well as heavy equipment for the MMC forgotten)
      NKMZ factory
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks April 26 2013 14: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: marshes
      For this, Ukraine was planning to establish aircraft production in Kazakhstan, though for our money.


      and you are not interested in the Ukrainians are not going to establish aircraft production at home? It's like that coking coal mining in Mongolia at 2011.

      http://app.korrespondent.net/business/economics/1273480-ukraina-vmeste-s-rossiej
      -namerena-dobyvat-ugol-v-mongolii
      1. marshes
        marshes April 26 2013 14: 33 New
        0
        Quote: seller trucks
        and you are not interested in the Ukrainians are not going to establish aircraft production at home? It's like that coking coal mining in Mongolia at 2011.

        http://korrespondent.net/business/companies/1553148-kiev-pomozhet-kazahstanu-soz
        dat-aviacionnuyu-promyshlennost
        Cool site, I have relatives living in Ukraine, as well as "fawning" Kent, Ukrainian by nationality, ancestors from Khmelnitsk. Every year I go to Chornomorsk. I follow the events.
        They buy coal at the expense of Kazakhstan in Kazakhstan as well as something for the metallurgical industry. The diaspora is quite large and there is T. Shevchenko, Gogol Street in Almaty.
        1. marshes
          marshes April 26 2013 17: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: marshes
          "swallow" Kent, Ukrainian by nationality, ancestors from Khmelnitsk

          He graduated from Kiev engineering tank, another Kiev aviation engineering, brother of the same age, cousin, sat on the same pot. HVVAUL finished and how many "saboteurs" are those who graduated from the Kiev general military school smile I know. Damn how much connects me with Ukraine!
      2. Skavron
        Skavron April 26 2013 14: 37 New
        -2
        But what Motor Sich is not for air? not? http://www.motorsich.com/rus/
        Antonov ... http: //www.antonov.com/
        1. Gecko
          Gecko April 26 2013 14: 41 New
          +1
          Who do they mainly work for?
          1. Skavron
            Skavron April 26 2013 15: 05 New
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            Quote: gecko
            Who do they mainly work for?

            What does it mean to whom?
            This is a stupid question.
            Who is the boss?
            Who is the buyer?
            Who gets the taxes?
            These are essentially questions ...
            1. Gecko
              Gecko April 26 2013 15: 09 New
              +3
              I won’t argue, we’ll see what you have left of all this after 2015, then we’ll talk.
              I'm not gloating, just the shortsightedness of Ukraine is amazing.
              Your industry is degrading, the first wave after gas has risen in price,
              the second wave will be as imports from Ukraine are replaced by Russian products.
              And this is not from the harmfulness of Russia, but from the greed and stupidity of Ukrainian politicians
              1. Skavron
                Skavron April 26 2013 16: 02 New
                -3
                Quote: gecko
                what will remain of all this after 2015

                Yes, that was, it will remain
        2. marshes
          marshes April 26 2013 14: 47 New
          -1
          Here I ask myself, why can a Kazakh agree with a Ukrainian? Maybe we don’t have a conversation, we are Great, we occupy 1/6 of the land on the planet, etc. .... We also normally communicate with Belarusians.
          1. Gecko
            Gecko April 26 2013 15: 04 New
            +1
            Yes, you can negotiate with the Ukrainians. wink

            Recently, Major General Almaz Asenov, the head of the arms department, was detained for a bribe. Later it turned out that two Ukrainians were also detained in Kazakhstan - employees of the state company Ukrspetsexport, suspected of bribing a certain official (the media also mentioned the same amount of the alleged bribe - 200 thousand dollars). It was reported that in this way they tried to get help in implementing the contracts.
            1. marshes
              marshes April 26 2013 15: 29 New
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              Quote: gecko
              Yes, you can negotiate with the Ukrainians.

              Yes, we can, but this is a matter of the military commander, or even of a civilian. I personally know about Diamond, but I wanted to throw what you are doing. And if you take repairs and supplies from Russia, there are scandals above the roof. They quietly decide. The fall of planes and helicopters bought or undergoing repairs at Russian enterprises with a warranty period and then the surprise that we buy military equipment from countries within the NATO bloc, and what kind of planes and helicopters are there, bulletproof vests and engineering equipment for the borders. And then, in Rospress-Kazakhstan, it runs into ROSbizes.
          2. smile
            smile April 26 2013 18: 34 New
            +2
            marshes
            And here I am asking myself a question - with rare exceptions, the Russian and the Ukrainian agree, without even noticing who is of what nationality ... but you, however, have looked and highlighted precisely the nationality ... even when agreeing, you focus on nationalities, and often distinguish Russians. ..can your national question hurt? Maybe you have a fad about the Russians? Only a morbid condition can explain a similar addiction to the Russians .... it's time to recover ...
            1. marshes
              marshes April 26 2013 19: 06 New
              0
              Quote: smile
              Maybe you have a fad about the Russians?

              The funny thing is that my mother is half Russian another Mari but what can you do, my father took my grandmother and Russia in 1994. There the uncle died, the grandfather died (alcohol) brothers, cousins, they waited for the grandmother to retire, not long ago I recognized one there were three walkers .Grandma was synchronized not long ago in 2008 at the age of 92, a granite monument was erected and a place was prepared. Not far from us. Here she received a pension and also received a home worker medal, just my father said you can’t leave parents, we don’t accept this !!! I won’t lie, but in our family and no orphans we have tribes, parents died, one in the second year of military school graduates from another school. I’ll break anyone who offends them and they look after my younger ones.
              1. smile
                smile April 26 2013 19: 26 New
                +2
                marshes
                Well, you are writing everything correctly and that characterizes you well, honor and praise ... but why, then, are you encouraging our overly harsh and no less harsh Ukrainians in polemics? Which, in the overwhelming majority, have an almost consonant opinion and misunderstandings arise only on trifles ... At the same time, for some reason, you oppose the Russians to other nations, which, in your opinion, get along well with each other, in contrast to the Russians, who admonish (again - in your opinion) the prefix "great" to itself ... how can this be understood if not a painful perception of the "Russian" question? Well, are you forcing us to remind you of the role that the Russians played in ending feudal strife and mutual slaughter of other peoples? So you, forcing all this to be written here, will instantly begin to reproach us with narcissism ... In general, the position, upon close examination, turns out to be very provocative ... and dishonest.
                Well, I don’t have a drop of Russian blood at all ... and my ancestors don’t, even, most likely, distant ones .... so what?
                1. marshes
                  marshes April 26 2013 19: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: smile
                  then, are you polemicizing our overly harsh and no less harsh Ukrainians?

                  You know, the Internet can be said to be general, but wherever you go, I’m sorry for the cold. What kind of love for this topic is who before?
                  Quote: smile
                  ... At the same time, for some reason, you are opposing the Russians to other nations, which, in your opinion, get along well with each other, in contrast to the Russians, who attach (again, in your opinion) the prefix "great" to themselves ... how can this be understood , if not a painful perception of the "Russian" question? Well, are you forcing us to remind you of the role that the Russians played in the end of feudal strife and the mutual slaughter of other peoples

                  Yes, an amazing story! The feuds between the Kazakhs? Especially remember at the expense of the Kalmyk people, who helped them and what they did with the Kazakhs.
                  Quote: smile
                  Well, I don’t have a drop of Russian blood at all ... and my ancestors don’t, even, most likely, distant ones .... so what?

                  I’m interested in who you are by nationality, by the way, one of my Jewish nieces, I have a German wife who was deported from Ukraine, they have all the documents in the hands of the merchants and everything else to the oil mill and land in the Poltava region.
                  And if you are an Armenian, for fun read about the adventures of the Dashnaks in Turkestan and what they did. In 1918.
                  1. smile
                    smile April 26 2013 20: 51 New
                    +4
                    marshes
                    1. Yes, this ... srach takes place, but people who often argue over trifles in face-to-face communication would never have quarreled - alas, these are the costs of non-verbal communication — someone misunderstood something, the letters did not convey the emotional coloring of the phrase - and the soul rushed to paradise - well, or rather - p ... yes, over the bumps ... :))))) It should be borne in mind that there are a lot of us in two states - more than any other in all republics, also it should be borne in mind that when the two fraternal peoples were broken apart, massive multichannel propaganda of negativity was used ... it could not leave traces ... at the same time I remind you who came to power in Ukraine after the collapse .. ( we are initially the same, but deprived of the lowest possible pride for the Russian people, as opposed to Ukrainian nationalists)
                    2. I did not speak specifically about the Kazakhs, you are smart, you should have understood ... I spoke about that many nations. included in the composition of the Republic of Ingushetia, will you argue? Excuse me, but we do not really distinguish different nations if they are not very outwardly different, if we don’t communicate with them closely ... - for that, I hope. Won't you beat me?
                    3. Already repeatedly had to tell ... :))), okay - it’s easy: My appearance is absolutely Slavic.
                    for mum - a semi-pole-semi-Ukrainian. Poles live in their own Poland and Britain, Ukrainians live in Ukraine. Acquaintance - the costs of the military fate of the grandfather who abandoned him in Vilna. The bulk of Poles-relatives are total Russophobes. Ukrainians Russophiles.
                    according to the father - vainah. He was an officer in the BB. Since 3 years I have not seen him in connection with the dissolution of the marriage. The experience of communicating with other relatives is very small. At the insistence of my mother, he came to them several years before the first war. Father’s parents are very smart and worthy people, the rest .... then I first understood what animal hatred of Russians is ... I should have come there with a gun ... I won’t retell the details of the visit, including the district ...
                    From 3 years old he lived in Lithuania (parents and grandmother are still there), the disgusting petty and petty nationalism of the Lithuanian population united us - we all, Russian-speaking children - even the Tungus, even the Armenians, Jews and Russians - were brothers. were Russian ... and Russian children. unlike adults, no Lithuanians were ever offended ...
                    about the fact that everyone has a nationality explained to me by older Lithuanians at the age of 6 ... learned. This is a separate, rather ridiculous story .... Since then I consider myself a Russian, others - too ..
                    Everything was the same at the university - I remember. during the start of the Karabakh fight in 91 or 92 they ate vodka with Armenians and Azerbaijanis and scolded those. who brought them to the massacre ...
                    I regard the Dashnaks as badly as I do with the nationalist gang-party formations and other nationalities ... by the way, they all have one thing in common - Russophobia ... that you have Jews in your family does not bother me ... in the same way, if your dad was a rabbi - for me it is important that you write and do - everything else is from the evil one ....
                    I hope I could satisfy your interest ...
                    1. marshes
                      marshes April 26 2013 21: 08 New
                      -1
                      Okay...
                      Quote: smile
                      . Poles live in their Poland and Britain

                      And in Kazakhstan there are not a few of them, there are even cultural centers, friends are among the Poles here and there, I am a furniture maker and the Polish chipboard is better than the Austrian in density and the Russian branch of the Polish company in Novgorod, I was there and saw how they are doing and who is doing and in what condition (he wanted to be exhausted but because of the HARDWARE the original is not profitable to buy, maybe now something has changed, but when I was there it felt like if you didn’t hangover then by the afternoon the whole workshop would die out am)
                      And take an interest in how the Poles appeared in Kazakhstan. For the sake of interest, read.http: //news.nur.kz/221571.html
                      1. smile
                        smile April 26 2013 21: 44 New
                        +3
                        marshes
                        "And there are quite a few of them in Kazakhstan, there are even cultural centers, there are friends among the Poles here and there, I am a furniture maker and Polish chipboard is going with a bang"


                        I was referring exclusively to the Polish part of my relatives ... :))) my grandmother had only three sisters left Vilna to Poland in 45, plus a bunch of uncles, aunts, etc. The Yangelevich family was extremely fruitful ... :)) )) some of them left for Britain ... as you see, the evil Stalin did not interfere ... on the contrary, he ensured delivery to the place they chose at the expense of the USSR ....

                        And so, about how the Poles appeared in Kazakhstan, I’m sorry, I know no less than yours ... or maybe more - I’m very used to polemicizing in Poland — this requires knowledge :))) perhaps, excuse me for conceit , I know more about you than that (not because I’m better than anything, everything can be the other way around, just considering the environment in which I had to grow up, the social circle in which Poles entered from childhood), how Poles behaved in relation to Russians and Ukrainians during the war of the 20s and later ... almost from the first hand, from themselves, by the way, .... and that is why I came to the conclusion that Stalin, with all his toughness, did too much with them softly and unjustifiably humane ....
                        Please read the book by Vladislav Shvets "Katyn. Modern history of the issue", the author was related to the development of our position in the European Court, which last year recognized as falsified documents on the basis of which the Poles claimed our involvement in the Katyn massacre and refused them to satisfy their claims ....
                        read - the book is very interesting. informative, calm, academic. saturated with links and devoid of excessively harsh statements ....
                        So the Poles were shot only in the 20s and tortured by the most savage ways of the Russians. Ukrainians and Belarusians are many times more than Stalin deported ... moreover, the main part was exiled temporarily (and on the idea a significant part of them was shot for quite real crimes) ...
                        and about your link ... a good article, I ran only over the one that jumped upstairs ... but with a clear wormhole that cannot but get into your eyes if you are in some way aware of the realities of those years ... you know that this exile you mentioned could legally get rid of exile and just go to the 1st Polish army - they are one and a half years old, starting from age 41 they have been collecting and lured there from all over the USSR ... together with their families ... so that he he decided that the link is better for him ...
        3. seller trucks
          seller trucks April 26 2013 15: 04 New
          +1
          and that Motor Sich, Russia, has built its own plant, JSC "Klimov":

          "In 2013, 50 VK-2500 engines will be produced from Russian components with an increase in production, by 2015 up to 500 engines per year."

          do you think it will not affect?
          http://spb.itar-tass.com/c344/602841.html

          "Antonov", it is more difficult, it is monstrously difficult to build a new aircraft plant, Japan was able to build its own only in 2010, before that it supplied components. Wait, not all at once
          1. Skavron
            Skavron April 26 2013 16: 05 New
            0
            Quote: seller trucks
            do you think it will not affect?

            competition is a holy cause
            in Russia there are enterprises producing mills and crushers of rocks for mining and metallurgy, but for some reason they prefer to buy Ukrainian. Not weird?
        4. Egoza
          Egoza April 26 2013 19: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Skavron
          But what Motor Sich is not for air? not?

          There is information in the media that the owners of the Zaporizhzhya Transformer Plant are already thinking about moving the enterprise to the territory of the Customs Union, the same Motorsich acquired a plant in Russia and a plant in Belarus. Ukraine is losing jobs, personnel ...
          1. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. April 26 2013 20: 08 New
            +3
            Quote: Egoza
            the same Motorsich acquired a plant in Russia and a plant in Belarus.

            In this case, repair plants. Motor Sich repairs its many engines that were previously supplied to Russia, etc. countries without bothering with customs clearance and extra taxes.

            Characteristically different. A shot like Poroshenko, a supporter of Ukraine’s accession to NATO and the EU, is transferring its automobile production to Russia.
            1. Gecko
              Gecko April 27 2013 00: 33 New
              0
              It is necessary for this shot Poroshenko to create problems with the transfer of automobile production of the vehicle. There is no need to dirty a tit from which you suck.
  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe April 26 2013 14: 46 New
    +2
    Lord, what are they doing with the homeland of my ancestors? At the time, to create the Ukrainian Legion in Russia on private donations and go to conquer Ridna Nenko from the Yanukovych, Tymoshenko and other scum.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 26 2013 15: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: cherkas.oe
      At the time to create in Ukraine the Ukrainian Legion for private donations

      ABOUT! You are just in the subject! otherwise ...
      An organization of "Russian-speaking Bandera" is being created in Ukraine
      Ukraine is forming a new social movement - "Russian-speaking Ukrainian nationalists". As the leader of the movement, Sergei Zamilyukhin, explained to Novaya Gazeta, which appeared in the form of groups in social networks, the association is now preparing for official registration.
      “In Ukraine today, 45% of the population are Russian-speaking citizens. Two-thirds of them are ethnic Ukrainians, whose families became Russian-speaking as a result of centuries of Russification. According to opinion polls, 86% of these people consider Ukraine their homeland, and 72% called themselves patriots of their country. Oddly enough, these people were still perceived as a kind of misunderstanding: Russian-speaking patriots of Ukraine, "- Zamilyukhin told the publication." "The word Russian-speaking only means that we are the indigenous inhabitants of the Russified regions of our country and we are entrusted with the main task of de-Russification and further Ukrainization of our regions with their return to a single ideological and cultural bosom of mother Ukraine. We have been using the temporary Russian language in Ukraine as an effective tool in achieving the goals of the Ukrainian Cause in the East since the times of Daniil Galitsky, Ivan Mazepa, Simon Petliura, Stepan Bandera, Roman Shukhevych, Vyacheslav Chernovil ... They are knocking out a wedge like a wedge, "he wrote on his page on Facebook. "http://obozrevatel.com/politics/46172-v-ukraine-sozdaetsya-organiz
      atsiya-russkoyazyichnyih-banderovtsev.htm
      (by the way, follow the link, here is only a part of the "pearl") However, the conclusion: there are already not enough nationalists! they will fool the Russian-speaking. ”But a person cannot understand that a PATRIOT is not necessarily a nationalist Bandera.
      1. Gecko
        Gecko April 26 2013 15: 23 New
        +2
        By their patriotism they will finish off Ukraine. The fifth column in Ukraine rules.
        The consequences of all this in the Baltic states does not teach anything.
      2. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe April 26 2013 15: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Sergey Zamilyukhin "

        If this t-in-a-b rd corrupt Ukrainian or even a Slav then I then the Moor. After all, they precisely instructed this S-S-u-ku and gave the money for this next mule to the CIA or MI-6, don’t go to the priest, you can see through everything, but our snot chew all the snot, unintelligible, there is not enough evil our rulers. After all, exert yourself, fight off Ukraine and all, these bastards from the EU and NATO will surrender, it will be easier for everyone to live in Europe, by the way, too.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus April 26 2013 15: 46 New
    -1
    To be honest, I don’t feel sorry for Ukraine. They themselves see where they are driving themselves, and at the same time "just to spite the pits."
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 26 2013 16: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Zomanus
      and while "just to spite the pits."

      Well, YOU are wrong!
      Medvedchuk: European integration is an opportunity to evade criminal liability for corruption
      The leader of the Ukrainian Choice public movement recalls that on April 19, the Verkhovna Rada, on the pretext of European integration, passed the first reading of the 2802 bill on bringing Ukrainian legislation into line with the standards of the Criminal Convention against Corruption. Medvedchuk notes that according to the conclusion of the Main Scientific and Expert Directorate of BP, this bill has nothing to do with either European integration or strengthening the fight against corruption. The authorities and the opposition simply entered into a conspiracy whose goal was to minimize criminal liability for serious official crimes of officials.
      “The essence of the game is to substitute the concepts of“ bribe ”and“ undue profit ”, as a result of which the difference between a bribe, bribery and illicit enrichment is leveled. And, accordingly, the line between criminal and administrative responsibility is leveled, - the author of the blog claims. - The result of this “substantial” work: a great opportunity for dishonest officials to evade real responsibility! And this, in the understanding of the people’s deputies who supported the document, is European integration! ”
      http://www.versii.com/news/278130/
      xxxxx
      Everything is done so that no one will find fault later, otherwise they will act like Julia, "for abuse of office ...."
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 26 2013 15: 51 New
    0
    In Ukraine, the cartoon "The Little Mermaid" is banned. . .
    - This is due to the fact that the word "fat" in the name of the cartoon indecently borders on the word "Rus".

    Russians are coming!
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv April 26 2013 16: 42 New
    +3
    A little distract you from the debate.
    I was on vacation that year in Ukraine, I walk around the shopping center, so to speak, I trade with a face and it seems to me that something is wrong here, I can't understand everything, then I looked closely and realized that the cleaners are local and not "kasya-masya" like ours , and yesterday I went to "Dixie" there are two ogly and they are chasing the whole store for Kasia-masyatski, I just don't get bananas on their brains ... angry
    I mean that the problems are there, that we have a lot and we still quarrel stop
  • wax
    wax April 26 2013 16: 43 New
    +2
    Observers are not needed in the Customs Union. Let him try to become an observer in the United States of America or in the EU.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko April 26 2013 18: 37 New
      0
      Yanukovych probably did not mean "observer" but "overseer".
      Oh, these zekovskie habits. smile
      And then we all can’t understand what they want from this.
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv April 26 2013 17: 15 New
    +1
    Oh how !!!
    And ours must be depicted with a Chinese iPhone!
    And everyone will be happy laughing
  • sls222
    sls222 April 26 2013 17: 15 New
    -2
    Ukraine in NATO and the EU, this is the Russian weapon of mass economic destruction. As it was written above, Europe will flinch. And if, in truth, they will release that Julia as well as Lutsenko, they will lick the Jews well in Brussels and will tramp Russia))) Just the political course of Ukraine fully corresponds to its historical territory, then here)))) Stalin needs !!!
  • Bandera
    Bandera April 26 2013 17: 16 New
    +4
    Why write about these freaks? The site is on military topics, and they write about bandits.
  • Vladi_S
    Vladi_S April 26 2013 18: 48 New
    +2
    And where does Yanukovych or Azarov just do it ... In my opinion, our oligarchs simply can’t decide where they lose more with Russia or with Europe. That's when or if the puppeteers decide ...
    1. UFO
      UFO April 26 2013 18: 57 New
      +2
      In-in, while they will be determined - cracked at the seams. lol
  • SITH
    SITH April 26 2013 20: 04 New
    0
    a little positive
  • not good
    not good April 26 2013 21: 39 New
    +1
    Well, he (Yanukovych) so ... drives backwards, from side to side, doesn’t know to whom it is more profitable to surrender. Or, well ... he’ll break his back or at the end of the end everyone will get tired - they will salt as a predecessor.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 April 26 2013 22: 27 New
    0
    Quote: fatty
    , change diapers, and wonderfully earn a bottle of vodka.

    And to someone you are going to change diapers? .... request
  • Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin April 26 2013 22: 37 New
    -1
    What is the reason for the people of Ukraine, this Dyusalei circus, led by the main clown, who can neither clearly say nor me about the entry? By God, I feel sorry for the Donbass and the entire South-East of Ukraine. West centered in Lviv shit, the center is looking for where the place is warmer, and where are the common people?
  • de klermon
    de klermon April 26 2013 23: 33 New
    +1
    So much has been said about where and with whom Ukraine is profitable, etc., so I won’t talk about it! I’ll say something else! Ukraine is bidding: I will give myself in good hands for the best price on the most favorable conditions! Brothers, well, it’s not even a ride in the market! You just think that you have one to fight for you? What you have from production, Europe does not need at all, it needs a sales market - the conclusion is the death of the Ukrainian economy, Russia is the focus of allied enterprises interdependent with Ukrainian industry, Europe is a crisis, they themselves do not know where there is money for find salvation, Russia is a creditor country, and most importantly: intangible meaning! Europe can only look for practical, tangible results in Ukraine, or it’s just striving to build a buffer between Russia and the rest of Europe, and Russia ... We don’t need a buffer, on the contrary, without the Ukrainian economy and its resources, we are somehow 90 and then they managed, they didn’t dig anything from the pipe, but we don’t want to abandon the Ukrainians in any way?)) Just think, dear comrades, how could you answer the following 2 questions.
    1) Why do you think that everyone (both Europeans and Russia) should be provided with unique and exceptional conditions under which you have the full benefit, the prerogatives, the opportunities and the rights, and the responsibilities that you like, and not like everyone else?
    2) What is better to be - a) an eternally catching up, inferior and unequal companion in the outskirts of Europe in the position of either a sales market, or a buffer, or b) a brother in a loving family, where you are not just equal, but where you are from others in general not to distinguish?
    Brothers Slavs, it's up to you!)))
  • Grieg
    Grieg April 26 2013 23: 36 New
    -1
    Ukraine will not be able to join the CU, because its so-called elite, both the power and the opposition, is in all respects under the fifth of the West. Most people do not share empty Euro aspirations, but they do not have the opportunity to realize their will. And in this lies his future misfortunes. A characteristic sign that confirms this conclusion is that Ukraine essentially gradually reduces the presence of its army to zero. This means that the role of pseudo-defenders in Ukraine will be played by NATO troops, since they need further implementation of the expansion policy to the east, to equip the bridgehead of a possible strike on Russia. And most likely the suspended project of deploying an American missile defense system in Poland will be implemented on the territory of Ukraine.
  • Moon
    Moon April 27 2013 00: 20 New
    -1
    Quote: GoldKonstantin
    For what the people of Ukraine, this Dyusalei circus, led by the main clown


    For silence and obedience.
  • Gecko
    Gecko April 27 2013 00: 43 New
    +2
    It is painful and insulting to see how part of the Russian population, paid by the Anglo-Saxons, the pans lead their brothers to the enemy camp, weakening and actually kneeling the Russian family. For 22 years they were brainwashed that your brother Russian is ur-od, and we Europeans are your true relatives. And after all, the sou-ki have reached their point, the Slavs in Russian seriously say that we are degenerates in the family. And after reading a bunch of Ukrainian forums, I realized that the vast majority is against us, as it is not regrettable. My soul is bursting with grief that my brother left me and betrayed me ...
  • piotr534
    piotr534 April 27 2013 03: 13 New
    0
    The corporate behavior of the people is not rage, they have already beaten them all and they continue to beat their own worth. At the last visit of Yanukovych, Medvedev unequivocally said that there couldn’t be any 3 + 1 schemes. Or a full entry into the CU with the adoption of all legislative acts and ratification, or hang out. In the same vein, the EU expressed itself and not the fallows all continue, their own Ukrainians hang noodles. I don’t know if there is anyone left who still believes them.
  • piotr534
    piotr534 April 27 2013 04: 29 New
    0
    That hamster that here minus apparently also did not read the article.