About the Admiral Nakhimov cruiser in light of the Northern Fleet’s capabilities in 2035–2040.

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About the Admiral Nakhimov cruiser in light of the Northern Fleet’s capabilities in 2035–2040.

In previous articles I presented a forecast for the composition of multi-purpose underwater, surface и air forces of the CSF for the period up to 2040. The conclusion is sad - the once most powerful fleet The USSR is demonstrating intense "negative growth," rapidly declining to the size of a fleet. By 2040, it can be expected to retain the following (based on the average of previous forecasts, which can be characterized as rather optimistic):

Project 885 and 885M nuclear submarines "Yasen/Yasen M" - 8 units;
Project 677 Lada diesel-electric submarines - 8 units;
TARKR "Admiral Nakhimov" - 1 unit;
Large anti-submarine ship (now a frigate) of Project 1155.1M “Admiral Chabanenko” - 1 unit;
Project 22350 frigates – 6 units;
Project 20380 corvettes – 3 units;
Project 12700 minesweepers – 10 units.

Aviation The fleet will be represented by:

Su-30SM2 – 24 units;
MiG-29KR/KUBR – 22 units;
Tu-142 anti-submarine version – 8-12 units;
Il-38/Il-38N – if the modernization program is not resumed, then most likely only Il-38N will remain in service, that is, no more than 4 units;
Anti-submarine helicopters Ka-27M and, with great luck, Ka-65 – 18-20 units.

In addition to this, there will be a certain number of rescue helicopters, reconnaissance and, possibly, light attack UAVs, similar to the existing Forpost, Tu-142MR relay aircraft, some other auxiliary aircraft, and, essentially, that’s all.

About the tasks of the KSF


In the good old days, when floppy disks were big and monitors were small, the Red Banner Northern Fleet possessed extremely impressive capabilities. During the late Soviet era, the Navy had three major objectives:

1. Ensuring the use of strategic naval nuclear forces in the form of a retaliatory nuclear missile strike;

2. Destruction of enemy SSBNs in their combat duty areas;

3. Defeating enemy groups of naval multi-purpose forces.

And the Northern Fleet possessed sufficient capabilities to successfully accomplish these tasks within its area of ​​responsibility. They could ensure the stability of their SSBNs, defeat US and NATO naval groups concentrated in the Norwegian Sea, and, who knows, even break through the Farrero-Iceland anti-submarine line and deploy attack submarine squadrons to the Atlantic.

Of course, the above wasn't guaranteed to happen—the US and NATO navies, preparing for a confrontation in northern waters, were numerous and capable. In some areas, the Americans enjoyed technical superiority, as evidenced by the Sea Wolf submarines. Nevertheless, in the event of Armageddon, a clash between the Red Banner Northern Fleet and the US and NATO navies would have been a battle of, if not equal, then at least comparable in strength.

Alas, those days are long gone. Let's try to estimate what the Red Banner Northern Fleet will be capable of by 2040.

About the enemy


During the Soviet era, the general concept of the US and NATO regarding military operations in northern waters was as follows:

1. The task of destroying Soviet SSBNs was assigned to submarines, which, while operating in the Barents Sea and other patrol areas of our “strategists” during peacetime, were supposed to escort them and destroy them at the very beginning of the conflict.

2. The tasks of destroying the surface forces of the Baltic Fleet and striking land targets were assigned to carrier-based aviation and cruise missiles Submarines. A submarine-launched carrier force consisting of a pair of aircraft carriers and escort ships was to enter Norwegian waters. The carriers were to carry aircraft with overload—a significant number of them would fly to Norwegian airfields and operate from them. Essentially, the carriers acted as a "floating rearguard," providing their aircraft with maintenance and ammunition, but avoiding attack from the surface and air forces of the Northern Fleet.

As for cruise missile strikes, it would be most convenient to launch them from submarines in the Norwegian Sea, which would achieve acceptable carrier safety, but would still increase the flight distance to targets on the coast and deep in the USSR.

Thus, the US and NATO planned for their fleets' surface forces to operate in the Norwegian Sea, avoiding the Soviet Union's heavy anti-ship missiles while maintaining the ability to sink our ships with air strikes using tanker aircraft, "jump airfields," and other means. At the same time, the concentration of surface forces, some submarine forces, base patrol aircraft, and other underwater surveillance assets would create a powerful barrier against our SSNs and SSGNs, as well as hinder the operations of Tu-142 anti-submarine warfare aircraft over the Norwegian Sea. If the surface squadrons of the Northern Fleet had advanced into the Norwegian Sea, the US and NATO navies would have gained a distinct advantage, as our ships would then be deprived of the cover and support of light fleet forces and a significant portion of land-based aviation.

At the same time, American submarines would have continued to operate in the Barents Sea. Generally speaking, nuclear submarines alone are incapable of withstanding the systematic counteraction of surface, submarine, and air forces. But the Americans were relying, firstly, on their technical superiority (which they had, since the USSR was catching up in terms of submarine stealth), and on the reasonable assumption that the destruction of SSBNs before they used nuclear weapons weapons will compensate for any losses of the "multi-purpose" submarine.

As far as I know, the Americans did not plan to invade our northern shores with surface squadrons, at least not until the main forces of the CSF were destroyed.

Overall, this US and NATO strategy appears quite rational; it is not outdated and could well be implemented today.

Note: Many, when discussing a possible war in the North, cite climate as our ally. They say that American carrier-based aircraft don't fly in cold weather, that catapults on aircraft carriers freeze, and so on. I won't dissuade anyone from this, but I will remind you that Russia will never initiate large-scale military action against the United States first and on its own initiative.



The reason is simple: such actions risk a nuclear missile Armageddon, in which Russia will cease to exist as a state and a nation. More than half of our population lives in just one hundred of the largest Russian cities, and they would be consumed by nuclear fire less than an hour after the missiles take off. Meanwhile, the Russian armed forces have no chance of delivering a "disarming" strike that would destroy the US nuclear potential before it could be used.

Accordingly, Russia has no chance of avoiding a full-scale retaliatory nuclear missile strike. Therefore, for us, a war with the US is a one-way ticket, so why would we buy it voluntarily? Of course, if we are forced to, if we are attacked (even a non-nuclear one) that we cannot repel, we will certainly use our nuclear arsenal. But Russia will never be the instigator of a large-scale conflict with the US.

At the same time, the United States, which has long been considering the concept of a "disarming" strike, may at some point become convinced that it is capable of delivering one and thereby preventing Russia from using its nuclear potential. Or it may decide that our leadership has become so weakened that it will not respond with nuclear weapons under any circumstances. Therefore, if anyone were to start a war between the United States and Russia, it would be the United States.

But if they decide to unleash it, then, of course, they will do so at a time convenient for themselves and their armed forces.

Ensuring combat stability of SSBNs


This is the most important task of the Red Banner Northern Fleet, as it will undoubtedly be home to some of our naval strategic nuclear forces by 2040. Today, the Northern Fleet has eight SSBNs, including five Project 667BDRM Delfin-class submarines, one Project 955 Borei-class submarine, and two Project 955A Borei-A submarines.


Most likely, by 2040, the Dolphins, having served their time with honor, will leave the fleet, but they will be replaced by two Project 955A SSBNs currently under construction. It is quite possible that one or two more, or even three more advanced Project 955AM, strategic submarines will be delivered.

To ensure their combat stability, it is necessary, at a minimum, to establish control of our near-sea zone, preventing enemy nuclear submarines and patrol aircraft from entering it. This will prevent enemy multipurpose nuclear submarines from lying in wait and tailing our SSBNs as they leave their bases, mining their approaches, etc. Furthermore, it will be crucial to establish a search and destruction capability for enemy nuclear submarines in the Barents Sea and further east, along their deployment routes and in SSBN combat patrol areas.

The CSF, even with the reduced strength I predict for the late 2030s, could attempt to address this challenge: the CSF admirals will still have some trump cards. Chief among these are the Project 677 Lada-class nuclear submarines, which, if brought up to technical specifications, will be able to welcome American submariners on Virginia-class submarines, just as our Halibut-class submarines once welcomed the first-generation American Los Angeles-class submarines.

And what happened? A Los Angeles-class submarine is sailing through the depths of the seas washing our coastline, all silent and invulnerable. It's undetected, splendidly isolated, because the world's best American sonar system can't hear anything. And then—out of the blue—someone taps on the side with an active sonar pulse, and it's no wonder the sound of torpedo tubes opening isn't audible... Our "Halibuts" weren't nicknamed "black holes" for nothing.

Yes, the Americans subsequently developed even more advanced submarines, and our Paltus-class submarines lost their advantage in mutual detection range. But the Lada-class submarines regained it.

Unfortunately, Project 677 Lada also has its own shortcomings, which stem from its strengths. It's a non-nuclear submarine, making it quiet, but its endurance is limited. It lacks a wind-independent propulsion system, so no matter how much you increase the battery capacity, whether by upgrading traditional batteries or switching to lithium-ion batteries, you'll still have to periodically turn on the diesel and travel halfway across the sea to recharge them. And it's clear that while recharging, our non-nuclear submarines are extremely vulnerable to both submarines and enemy patrol aircraft.

Therefore, while a submarine is recharging, it must be covered by someone, and for this cover to be successful, it must be comprehensive. For example, a submarine, after completing its assigned duty in a designated area, departs for a pre-arranged area, the approaches to which are covered by anti-submarine aircraft. A frigate is present in the area, whose Poliment-Redut will prevent the Poseidon patrol from approaching. And it would be even better if the airspace around this area was scanned by an over-the-horizon radar (OTHR), capable of warning the frigate of approaching enemy aircraft.

Today, this function can be performed by the Container or Podsolnukh radars. The former is strategically important and can detect aircraft at a distance of up to 3000 km. The advantage of this station is that in a non-nuclear conflict, it would be extremely difficult to destroy due to its distance from the theater of combat operations, even with pre-determined coordinates. And these coordinates are, of course, known to the enemy, as the Container is a stationary and easily identifiable structure. Another advantage of the Container is its ability not only to detect a large air force attack from Norwegian airfields or an aircraft carrier, but to do so in time to give air regiments based at our land-based airfields a chance to intercept an enemy attack on ships in the Barents Sea.

It's still widely believed that OHRV is a magic wand, capable of solving absolutely all air and surface situational awareness tasks. This, of course, isn't true, but the capabilities it offers should never be underestimated. A US aircraft carrier preparing to attack targets in our Far East could blend in so well with civilian shipping that it would be indistinguishable from a large tanker. But a squadron of reinforced Super Hornets heading to attack a Russian frigate in the Barents Sea is unlikely to be able to disguise itself as a group of civilian airliners.

The second variant, the Podsolnukh, has far more limited capabilities; its airspace surveillance range, according to various sources, is no more than 400-500 km. Moreover, closer to this maximum range, the Podsolnukh cannot detect low-flying targets. However, it does have its advantages: it has already demonstrated its high performance in exercises in the Caspian Sea and the Far East. For example, OHGR operators managed to promptly detect and warn the Caspian Flotilla flagship, the Dagestan, of the approach of four low-flying Su-24s, allowing the patrol ship to timely and successfully engage the threatening targets (using electronic launches, of course). And in the Far East, OHGR not only monitored the Pacific Fleet's exercises in full view but also detected two vessels mistakenly attempting to enter the exercise area, allowing them to be warned promptly and avoid unpleasant incidents.

Importantly, the Podsolnukh radar is usually under the direct control of the fleet, while the Container is unlikely to be issued to the fleet; that's the domain of the Aerospace Defense Forces. In a situation where every second counts, a naval radar can ensure the best possible data transfer speed. Of course, we must strive for network centricity, so that what one branch of the military sees is visible to all others in real time, but we're still a bit far from that.

The downside of the Podsolnukh is its vulnerability. This type of radar, which controls the air and sea over part of the Barents Sea, is within range of enemy cruise missiles and can be destroyed at the very outset of a conflict. And if it can, they'll be working hard; no NATO admiral would want to leave such an advantage to the Baltic Fleet.

However, for now, all of this is nothing more than idle speculation, since neither the "Container" nor the "Podsolnukh" that would control the Barents Sea (and for the "Container," the Norwegian Sea) appears to exist. But by 2040, one could very well emerge. At least, there have been rumors of a desire to supply the North with "Podsolnukh" systems (and even the beginning of construction somewhere on Novaya Zemlya).

There's also been some indirect information in the open press about the deployment of the Harmony underwater situational awareness system, a modern version of SOSUS. Apparently, the Europeans were quite perplexed by the fact that, despite sanctions, Russia managed to purchase some equipment for this system from them. All of this is, of course, classified and highly questionable, but if they've even begun to deploy something like this in the North, that would be wonderful and could help.

The conclusion from the above is simple: even taking into account that by 2040 the Caspian Fleet will have at least a dozen corvette and frigate class surface ships left, these, in combination with a dozen modern minesweepers (if any), two air regiments of decent multi-role fighters, some anti-submarine aircraft (more likely, alas, “nothing” than “some”) and helicopters, a division of Project 677 Lada nuclear-powered submarines and the possibility of using some of the fleet’s Yasen-M submarines to perform anti-submarine functions, may be… I repeat – may be able to ensure the combat stability of Project 955/955A, and even 955AM SSBNs.


Moreover, if we prevent the enemy from tailing our Borei-class submarines as they leave their base, then detecting them in northern waters, with their extremely challenging hydrology, will be a truly challenging task. Although not impossible.

Military operations in the Norwegian Sea.


Unfortunately, it must be acknowledged that the Northern Fleet will not have any means to successfully confront the US and NATO fleets in the Norwegian Sea. The Lada-class nuclear-powered submarine, all surface ships of frigate class and smaller, and anti-submarine aircraft will need to be dedicated to the highest priority – ensuring the combat stability of the SSBNs. The only ships that can be deployed to the Norwegian Sea will be the Admiral Nakhimov heavy cruiser, two or three Yasen-class cruisers, and several Tu-142s.

What can be achieved with such forces?

In theory, something is possible, especially if we acquire a surface-to-air radar capable of tracking ship movements in the Norwegian Sea. In this case, during periods of heightened tension, but before the outbreak of war, we could attempt to uncover enemy ship deployments using satellite reconnaissance data, surface-to-air radar, and additional reconnaissance by Tu-142s. And once the war begins, we could strike them with Tsirkon missiles.

The problem, however, is that the Americans are no strangers to naval warfare and simply won't bring their ACS within range of the Tu-142 and Tsirkon missiles before it begins. Furthermore, the Tu-142 can only perform reconnaissance missions in peacetime; if a conflict breaks out, they will be immediately destroyed while over the Norwegian Sea. There's nothing to cover them there except the Admiral Kuznetsov's carrier-based aircraft, and the Admiral Kuznetsov, judging by recent statements, will never return to the fleet. Land-based fighters, even the Su-30SM2, won't have the range. The surface-to-air radar won't be able to provide target designation for the Tsirkon missiles on its own, without additional reconnaissance, and space reconnaissance...

Today, many place their hopes on the Liana naval space reconnaissance and target designation system (MKRTS), especially since, according to our leadership, it has been fully operational. However, in my opinion, this system is currently inferior to the Soviet-era MKRTS Legenda, despite the latter not being able to guarantee either reconnaissance or target designation.

Both the Soviet and Russian ICRCs include passive and active reconnaissance satellites. Unfortunately, given decades of accumulated experience, the capabilities of passive electronic reconnaissance are somewhat limited. The Americans are adept at maintaining radio silence and adjusting their radio communications so that the activity of an aircraft carrier strike group is indistinguishable from that of ordinary commercial vessels. Active reconnaissance, conducted using radars mounted on satellites, is a different matter.

In the USSR, the Legenda system included US-A satellites, equipped with a surveillance radar capable of observing the Earth's surface from an altitude of 270 km—the satellite's orbit. Naturally, this required considerable energy, and to generate it, the US-A was powered by a small Buk nuclear reactor, whose capacity, according to my data, did not exceed 2,3-2,5 kW. Moreover, the US-A's service life was quite short—originally, these satellites were designed to operate for at least 45 days; in reality, the maximum operational time in orbit was 134 days, with an average of approximately 90 days.

What were the difficulties of operating the US-A? Due to its short lifespan, there were never more than two US-As in orbit at any one time, and most of the time, none at all—from 1974 to 1988, an average of two were sent into space per year. Moreover, in low orbit, the satellite's "field of view" was naturally limited, so a pair of US-As could likely only observe the same point on the Earth's surface for about an hour a day (half an hour each).

Thus, our ships carrying heavy anti-ship missiles had to be in the right place at the right time, and if something went wrong, they had to wait many hours for the next targeting "session." This doesn't mean the MKRTS was inoperable, but its operation didn't provide omniscience and was quite complex.

The Liana MKRTS solved at least one problem of its predecessor—the short service life of active radar reconnaissance satellites. This was achieved by placing these satellites (Pion-NKS) in a much higher orbit—approximately 470 km. However, this solution entailed not only advantages but also significant disadvantages.

The Pion-NKS lack a nuclear reactor and must rely solely on solar panels. Judging by the available images, their area is unlikely to exceed 12-15 square meters.


The power generated by solar panels in space reaches approximately 140–170 watts per square meter of surface area. Accordingly, solar panels can generate approximately 1,7–2,5 kW of energy. This would seem to be roughly the same as the Buk reactor used by the US-A. However, unlike a nuclear reactor, which produces energy 24 hours a day, the Pion-NKS solar panels do not operate around the clock, as planet Earth spends a significant portion of the time between them and the Sun.

But the main problem lies not in this, but in the fundamental equation of radar, which states that the received power of a radar is proportional to the fourth power of the distance. Accordingly, to provide the same receiving signal power as the US-A radar, the Piona-NKS radar in orbit at 470 km must emit a signal approximately 9,2 times stronger than the US-A radar. And the received signal power for a radar, for obvious reasons, is extremely important.

Thus, it can be assumed that, while the Pion-NKS has a longer lifespan, it is significantly inferior to the US-A in terms of power generation, which imposes limitations on its use. It is worth noting the Pion-NKS's very large weight—6,500 kg—while the US-A weighed only 3,800 kg, of which 1,250 kg was the reactor. It is suspected that the Pion-NKS's enormous weight is due precisely to the large number of batteries that store solar energy for use during radar operation. This means that the Pion-NKS radar is most likely unable to operate around the clock, as the US-A was capable of.

And again, all of the above doesn't render the Liana MKRTS unusable or inoperable. It's likely designed on the principle that passive reconnaissance satellites detect potential targets, and the Pion-NKS, activating its radar as it passes overhead, refines the acquired data. This is a perfectly viable design, well-suited for reconnaissance, but it has significant limitations in target designation—for example, for the Admiral Nakhimov heavy cruiser, which limits its Tsirkon missiles to maximum range.

The main problem with the Liana MKRC, in my opinion, is that the orbital parameters of its satellites are widely known. Considering that the altitude range of even early versions of the American SM-3 anti-satellite missile is 500 km, it's safe to say that the Liana MKRC will cease to exist within the first day of a conflict. Or perhaps even within the first hours, depending on the satellites' positions when the war begins. In fact, since American destroyers carry SM-3 missiles, the Pion-NKS missiles could be destroyed during their first pass over the carrier strike group.

On the role of the Admiral Nakhimov cruiser in the upcoming conflict


All of the above indicates that closer to 2040:

1. The task of ensuring the combat stability of the SSBNs can only be accomplished by deploying the overwhelming majority of the Northern Fleet's forces. And it is not a given that this will be sufficient;

2. The detachment of ships that can be allocated for operations in the Norwegian Sea without compromising the fulfillment of task No. 1 is small and unbalanced;

3. The Northern Fleet does not have the means to monitor the air, surface and underwater situation in the Norwegian Sea, which would allow it to carry out reconnaissance and target designation tasks for the forces that the Northern Fleet is capable of sending there.

Certainly, the Project 885M nuclear-powered missile ships and the Admiral Nakhimov heavy cruiser are formidable ships, but in the Norwegian Sea, they can only rely on themselves and their own enemy detection capabilities, which is completely inadequate. While the nuclear-powered missile ships, being highly stealthy, may still have some success, the Admiral Nakhimov heavy cruiser will have no such advantage. Alone, it won't hold out long against carrier-based aircraft attacks.

Perhaps it makes sense not to attempt to confront the US and NATO navies in the Norwegian Sea at all. Perhaps it would be worthwhile to deploy our Yasen-M missiles, not used to search and destroy enemy submarines as part of their SSBN cover mission, off the US coast. There, their Tsirkon missiles, armed with nuclear warheads, could significantly enhance a nuclear missile strike against the bastion of democracy worldwide.

As for the Admiral Nakhimov heavy cruiser, in my opinion, under the current circumstances, it can only be used as part of a "bastion" in the Barents Sea, where its air defense systems could provide cover for Project 677 submarines, while its powerful sonar system and helicopter air group could contribute to the search for enemy submarines. Using the heavy cruiser for a task that should be performed by frigates and corvettes is certainly irrational, but I honestly don't see any other possible uses for it.
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  1. +9
    30 October 2025 04: 48
    Project 12700 minesweepers – 10 units.

    There are 15 of them in the construction plan, and 6 will go to the Northern Fleet.
    Perhaps it would be worth trying to deploy our Yasen-M missiles, which are not used to search for and destroy enemy submarines as part of the SSBN cover mission, off the coast of the United States.

    With one "IF." If they are allowed to put to sea. The enemy only needs to mine all the exits, and the entire fleet will remain in their bases.
    1. +8
      30 October 2025 06: 03
      Quote: Puncher
      There are 15 of them in the construction plan, and 6 will go to the Northern Fleet.

      Right now, yes, but plans may "continue"
      1. +6
        30 October 2025 06: 04
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Right now, yes, but plans may "continue"

        I just need to find the money... Where...
        1. +6
          30 October 2025 06: 19
          Quote: Puncher
          I just need to find the money... Where...

          Some funding is currently being allocated for fleet construction. When the current shipbuilding programs are completed, the funding for them will also cease. Therefore, with the current funding level, we can start building something else, and why not minesweepers?
          1. +3
            30 October 2025 07: 14
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            and why not minesweepers?

            How much money can they spend on them? Pennies... But the renovation of Peter... There are such prospects there...
            1. +11
              30 October 2025 07: 21
              As always, Andrey, you have excellent analytics and presentation. Will there be an article suggesting what to do?
              1. +9
                30 October 2025 08: 41
                Good morning, Vadim!
                Quote: Civil
                You have good analytics and a good style of presenting information.

                Thank you!
                Quote: Civil
                Will there be an article suggesting what to do?

                And what's the use?
                1. +6
                  30 October 2025 09: 38
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  And what's the use?

                  Some "workhorse" tasked with preparing the next fleet development plan might, in order to save time, use a search engine to find your proposals, create slides, and send them to management.
                  1. +5
                    30 October 2025 18: 49
                    Quote: Civil
                    Some "workhorse" tasked with preparing the next fleet development plan might, in order to save time, use a search engine to find your proposals, create slides, and send them to management.

                    Yes, it looks like they've already found it and even put it together. It's no coincidence that the former Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation has been appointed curator and responsible for shipbuilding. And the plans and proposals on the Military Forum alone have been laid out beyond the rooftops, so anyone who needs them has long since read them and perhaps even used them. But now is the war. A land war. And the war that follows this war will most likely also be a land war. And the so-called "auxiliary wars" that well-wishers are preparing for us will also be land wars. So, for now, the Navy's prospects are in limbo. That's why Andrey asks, "What's the point?" because he feels such plans are hopeless. Unfortunately, Russia will have to resolve its own survival issues on land. And our geography isn't particularly conducive to Navy development – ​​all fleets are isolated and easily blockaded in strait zones. Maybe that's why the construction of a fully balanced fleet has been "held back" again. Because it's not just embezzlement, sabotage, and sabotage, but also a deliberate (and sometimes deliberate) lack of control and interest in developing the surface fleet... Perhaps, in all of history, only the USSR wanted and was able to build a large ocean-going fleet... but even it didn't bring it to perfection. It simply didn't have time, because it already knew how and what needed to be built.
                    1. +4
                      30 October 2025 20: 05
                      Then we need to invest in the Pacific Ocean, we've been talking about this for a long time, we can expand there, and the range allows us to work from Kamchatka to Europe.
                      1. +7
                        30 October 2025 20: 27
                        It is better to work in Europe from land and we have everything for this without a fleet.
                        Developing the Pacific Fleet as the Navy's main fleet makes sense, but it requires significant investment in its bases and shipyard docks. A Pacific military shipbuilding cluster is needed, which doesn't exist (there are plans, apparently, but those are just plans). The region itself also requires comprehensive development. Ours is completely undeveloped, sparsely populated, and has practically no roads. Kamchatka is only connected by sea and air, which greatly complicates supply chains, especially in times of war. Ships for the Pacific Fleet also need to be built there, and the Amur Shipyard alone is insufficient and inconvenient; it needs to be on the Pacific coast, in an ice-free bay. A nearby metallurgical plant for the production of ship steel, all castings and forgings, and a shipbuilding cluster with cooperative enterprises within walking distance would be essential. Developing the Zvezda Shipyard in Bolshoy Kamen would be an option. And to lure people there, and not just for shift work, but for work, we need to create all the necessary housing, living, and cultural conditions at once, and pay them very well. In other words, we need a comprehensive program for the development of the Far East and East Siberian regions. And that means MONEY, STAFF (including responsible management and professional staff), high-quality planning and design, reliance on local raw materials and energy resources, transportation links, a sufficiently high quality of life for employees right away (otherwise no one will go, or will leave immediately convinced they're being deceived), and again – MONEY, STAFF, CLEAR GOAL-SETTING, and STATE WILL.
                        You see how much is needed.
                        And not “all this for the sake of building a fleet,” but building a fleet in order to protect all this, ensuring Russia’s strong position in the Pacific Ocean.
                        In the meantime, the war continues.
                        And the prospect of the coming reality is visible... in too many variants.
                      2. +1
                        30 October 2025 20: 31
                        Living in Khabarovsk and Primorsky Krai is a real possibility; the climate is better than in the Urals, for example. The main thing is to create logistics and develop local agriculture. Plus, constant subsidies for passenger transportation will ensure budgets for all Far East residents are maintained.
                      3. +9
                        30 October 2025 21: 10
                        They haven't developed it in 120 years, maybe they'll develop it now. What do you think? They didn't develop it under the communists, but the bourgeoisie will? That's a huge investment in infrastructure - transportation, energy, new cities, enterprises for the extraction and processing (deep) of local resources. So much has to be invested there to make a profit. And so many people have to be created for permanent residence... Who's supposed to do it? Shoigi's son-in-law? Peskov's daughter? Rogozin's son? What kind of goal-setting do you have to have to develop and develop such a region? There's permafrost under your feet!! From a few hundred meters to a kilometer+ there is ICE. The frozen "East Siberian Sea". If it suddenly melts, it will become a sea. But for now it's ICE. And a little bit of soil on top, where things grow. That's why people are fleeing from there, because it's very difficult to live on a glacier. At least they used to pay a regional surcharge, but now no one at the top even thinks about it. They might introduce a new tax – on wild plants and fishing. And for cutting firewood.
                        There will be no development with such quality of governance and such rulers. Practice has proven it. They will ruin Russia like the Romanovs under Nikolka's Tsardom.
                      4. +2
                        30 October 2025 21: 23
                        Well, don't be so rude. The Tsars tried their best. The Trans-Siberian Railway is worth its weight in gold. The communists did their best with the Baikal-Amur Mainline. What's missing is a branch line to Kamchatka and Yakutsk. That's where they should invest, after the North-Eastern Military District.
                      5. +3
                        30 October 2025 22: 07
                        Quote: dnestr74
                        There's a missing branch line to Kamchatka and Yakutsk; that's where we should invest, after the North-Eastern Military District.

                        Why wait when there are so many Ukrainian Nazis in captivity?
                      6. +3
                        31 October 2025 00: 42
                        Quote: dnestr74
                        The kings tried, Transib is worth something,

                        The development began with the Trans-Siberian Railway. Before that, there was only a sporadic presence of Cossacks and marine mammal hunters.
                        Quote: dnestr74
                        communists - BAM,

                        Well, yes - during the Battle of Stalingrad, the constructed part of the BAM was dismantled to make way for a bypass road beyond the Volga, and in the 70s they started building again - drilling tunnels, building overpasses.
                        Quote: dnestr74
                        There's a missing branch line to Kamchatka and Yakutsk; that's where we should invest, after the North-Eastern Military District.

                        There's a lot missing there, especially roads. If they figure out a tunnel under the Bering Strait, they'll definitely build it. But really, why build it? What kind of trade flow would there be? At worst, they could build a couple of ice-class ferries and run them back and forth. There's no economics in sight, unless they're planning to sell off Chukotka, like the tsars did Alaska (which they didn't annex, but rather, was annexed by Russian hunters and trappers) for a pittance.
                      7. +1
                        31 October 2025 21: 46
                        Quote: bayard
                        unless they're planning to sell Chukotka, like the tsars did Alaska

                        You seem a bit gloomy today... I always read your analysis with great interest. It's well-written, everything is to the point... detailed and... you love Russia. hi Our army and navy!
                      8. +2
                        31 October 2025 22: 31
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        You seem a bit gloomy today.

                        Yes, there are reasons to be gloomy - news about how Kostin and Co. are currently optimizing USC enterprises and cutting the design bureau's design staff. In half! Some (the previous management) stole like crazy, and the new management, instead of improving and utilizing capacities... is cutting staff, firing employees, curtailing programs... What is this? More cunning plans? Even if it were part of the transfer of production to the Far East... nothing has been built there yet. Maybe they will send them to Komsomolsk to strengthen the staff of the Amur shipyard... But that's if anything is built there. After all, they were planning to lay down a series of at least six frigates of Project 22350.1 there, but there is deathly silence there. Of course - war, secrecy... it would be good if it weren't treason. Our vertical is too good for that. hi
                      9. 0
                        1 November 2025 09: 07
                        Quote: bayard
                        Of course it is - war, secrecy... it would be nice if it weren't treason. Our vertical is just too good at that.

                        And here in Sevastopol, something is wrong with the Sevastopol Marine Plant named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze. They seem to want to destroy it altogether.
                      10. +3
                        1 November 2025 09: 34
                        Well, Sevastopol is under regular attack, and this regime will remain in place for a long time. Putting ships there for repairs is deliberately exposing them to attack without the ability to maneuver. The caution is understandable. Plus, the capitalist factor—effective forces have their own logic.
                        If they'd focused on finishing the frigates in St. Petersburg as quickly as possible and transferred the shipbuilding workforce to the Amur Shipyard, so that all seven of its slipways would be working at Stakhanovite speed, I'd understand. Because for now, it's the only safe place to build ships. Maybe that's where things are headed.
                      11. +4
                        31 October 2025 08: 13
                        Quote: dnestr74
                        There's a missing branch line to Kamchatka and Yakutsk; that's where we should invest, after the North-Eastern Military District.

                        Even during the Soviet era, they decided it wasn't economically feasible, especially in populated areas, and even more so now. The Trans-Siberian Railway, the Baikal-Amur Mainline, of course. But why go there? To transport bears? The Baikal-Amur Mainline expansion should be completed.
                      12. +2
                        31 October 2025 17: 23
                        If there is a road, the land will be populated and developed, and not the other way around, throwing people in and then building a road?
                      13. 0
                        31 October 2025 17: 32
                        Quote: dnestr74
                        If there is a road, the land will be populated and developed, and not the other way around, throwing people in and then building a road?

                        Maybe we should first populate everything along the Baikal-Amur Mainline and the Far East, and then with Magadan and further north, we can conduct experiments? laughing In theory, the idea is worth it, but in reality, there's no economic feasibility today...
                      14. +1
                        31 October 2025 17: 36
                        So the point is to link existing ports and large settlements. Then there's the defense component: how much equipment can you transport by air? By sea, everything is slow.
                      15. 0
                        31 October 2025 09: 19
                        The Northern Fleet is still needed. The Northern Sea Route needs to be protected from the west, too. And strategists are needed there.
                    2. +3
                      30 October 2025 21: 52
                      Quote: bayard
                      It is no coincidence that the former Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation has been appointed as the curator and person responsible for shipbuilding.

                      It seems to me that this is an honorary resignation, perhaps for February 2022, perhaps for articles criticizing migration policy and political course.
                      1. 0
                        31 October 2025 00: 58
                        At first, it was perceived as "a firefighter to save the industry," but now I don't know. But he's an aide to the president (not "advisor to the president"—an aide). Today, he awarded the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad an order. I don't know for what outstanding feats, it seems it was just for the anniversary.
                        The country certainly has no time for shipbuilding right now, as it's incapable of building ships even in peacetime. There won't be enough time for construction anyway. All efforts must now be devoted to the construction of aircraft, AWACS aircraft and tethered balloons, air defense systems, anti-aircraft missiles, and intermediate-range missiles of all types and classes for the European theater of operations.
                        And resume nuclear testing together with the United States.
                    3. 0
                      31 October 2025 09: 16
                      I disagree with you. Survival at sea is precisely what's needed. So that no nefarious country or bloc can stop ships carrying our goods or theirs to us. Not everything can be measured in kilometers; miles also need to be taken into account. And those who say Russia is a land power (and that doesn't apply to you) are deeply mistaken. They probably never read the map.
                      1. +1
                        31 October 2025 10: 21
                        Quote: pin_code
                        Survival at sea is precisely what's needed. So that no nefarious country or bloc can stop ships carrying our goods or theirs to us.

                        Well, you're not talking about "survival," you're talking about freedom of navigation or even naval dominance. That's different. Russia's very existence is currently threatened from land. We're currently fighting a land war in the Northern Black Sea region, and a war with NATO in Europe is looming (they're desperate for it), and that's the concern of the day. But waging a land war against the most powerful military bloc on the planet while simultaneously building an Ocean Fleet... that's beyond any financial means. Even for a country as rich and developed as Russia. It's a question of priorities. If we win, we'll build a fleet. Patrushev was put in charge of shipbuilding precisely for this purpose – to oversee contractors so they don't steal, but build, and to ensure the correct selection of projects and contractors.
                        In light of the current and impending war, building in the European part of the country is risky. And our shipbuilding industry (especially military) is underdeveloped in the Far East. Ideally, we should transfer the bulk of our shipbuilding efforts there, build our entire production cooperation as a single cluster, and maintain the main naval forces there, because that's where we have more or less free access to the world's oceans, and where we have allied and friendly countries with whom we can act jointly in the event of a common threat.
                        But military shipbuilding and, in general, the industrial and civilizational development of the Far East is a non-trivial task. So, after the war...
                      2. 0
                        31 October 2025 11: 05
                        "Well, you're not talking about 'survival,' you're talking about freedom of navigation or even naval dominance. That's different. Russia's very existence is currently being threatened from land. We're currently fighting on land in the Northern Black Sea region, a war with NATO in Europe is looming (they really want it), and that's the concern of today. And the fact that they're slowing down and brazenly inspecting ships carrying our goods was just background noise yesterday, not today. No! It's a vital necessity. And the best argument, you know, isn't just a kind word. And it's not entirely true that it's only from land. They're threatening from the sea now, and they have in the past. Russia has lost two wars from the sea. And maybe more. I only counted the Crimean and Japanese wars.
                      3. +1
                        31 October 2025 12: 16
                        We should now finish building the frigates that are stuck on the slipways due to theft. Whether new frigates will be laid down here - God knows, because we might not have time to finish them. The sensible thing to do now would be to gradually transfer the personnel and capacity of Yantar and Admiralty Shipyards to the Amur Shipyard and lay down the Project 22350.1 and 22350M series there. The team has seven covered slipways, 170 meters long and with a launching weight of up to 10,000 tons, so with the proper staffing and the rhythm of cooperative deliveries, construction there could be very brisk. Besides, Putin has already said several times that a branch of the Amur Shipyard will be built in Primorye; it also needs personnel. The question is, will specialists from beautiful Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg want to travel to the remote Far East? QUESTION. It's not just a matter of "long rubles" that are needed here; they need sufficient length, ready-made housing, amenities, and cultural conditions. That is, cities need to be built there immediately—modern, beautiful, with everything they need—and people need to be transported to these ready-made, free apartments, which will become their property after 10 years of work at the enterprise. If the wise officials can figure this out, show concern for people, ingenuity, AND POSITIVE MOTIVATION, much can be achieved. We can expand the Zvezda Shipyard cluster in the large military component, surrounded by new cooperative enterprises and a new, large, beautiful shipbuilding city, with a well-developed and streamlined social infrastructure and top-quality supplies without trade markups. It is possible to organize a regional reduction in trade taxes so that prices are no higher/lower than in the rest of Russia.
                        Only there—in the Pacific Ocean—can and should Russia build its Grand Fleet. In the European part, all our shipyards are extremely vulnerable.
                        We could try to organize the construction of not only submarines but also surface ships of the corvette, anti-submarine warfare (ASW) class and frigate in Severodvinsk. This would allow us to build the necessary ships on-site.

                        Quote: pin_code
                        Russia lost two naval wars. Maybe more. I only counted the Crimean and Japanese wars.

                        To win a war at sea, you must prepare for it well in advance. At least 20 years before it begins, because "A fleet takes a long time to build" was an English naval saying during the heyday of the Navy.
                      4. +1
                        31 October 2025 13: 22
                        "The smart move now would be to slowly transfer the personnel and capacity of Yantar and Admiralty Shipyards to the Amur Shipyard." The smart move would be to keep the workers in place (95% won't go anywhere) and establish competent (professional) management at the plant and on the ground. And establish serial production of warships. Completely standardized ships, so the crew can be changed even at sea. But no bank is capable of that. They can't even properly operate the ships they took from civilian ships.
                      5. +1
                        31 October 2025 14: 13
                        Quote: pin_code
                        But no bank is capable of this.

                        The modern leadership thinks differently. After all, we have capitalism, and that is the POWER OF CAPITAL.
                        Who owns Capital in a capitalist society?
                        That's right - the banks. They have the lion's share of the surplus value, and the working capital, and control over all payments. The owners. And the government always serves its owners. Whoever they may be.
                        Quote: pin_code
                        The smart thing to do would be to keep the workers in place (95% won't go anywhere) and establish competent (professional) management at the plant and on the ground. And establish serial production of warships.

                        In Kaliningrad? At Yantar? Encircled by NATO and with no land connection to the mainland? There, of course, we have a magnificent shipyard with seven 170-meter slipways in covered sheds (like at the Amur Shipyard), and we still have the personnel... But all this is before the first NATO strike. There, conventional MLRS and artillery finish things off. And ships take a LONG time to build. Even if built quickly, it takes 3-3,5 years per frigate (like the 11356 frigates were built for the Black Sea Fleet). We are at war with NATO. At NATO's initiative. I've lived in Donetsk since 2014 and I know what it's like to be within artillery range during a war. They won't let us build our fleet at our European shipyards. And this has already been realized. Andrey Shkolnikov also speaks about this as if it were a decision that had been made, and he is a smart guy and is privy to state plans.
                        So it's all complicated. And confusing. But war is also a path of deception.
                      6. 0
                        31 October 2025 14: 45
                        And yet, I'll say this. Yes, the banks have money, but... The profiteers aren't looking for professionals, they're looking for managers, and those are two different things. They're not interested in anything but profit. You understand how this will end, right?
                      7. 0
                        31 October 2025 13: 27
                        .' Besides, Putin has already said several times that a branch of Amursky will be built in Primorye, personnel are needed there too. But will specialists want to go there from beautiful Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg to the Far Eastern wilderness... QUESTION. Here, it is not only "long rubles" that are needed, the sufficiency of the length of this ruble is necessary, ready-made housing, everyday life and cultural conditions. That is, cities need to be built there - RIGHT AWAY and they must be modern, beautiful, with everything necessary, and people must be brought into everything ready and in free apartments. Which will become their property after 10 years of work at the enterprise. If they are officials." It will not be so beautiful. This is 99%. It's a pity, but you have painted a fairy tale. And this fairy tale is lacking those who will service this economy. What will they do? Give them apartments on mortgages?
                      8. 0
                        31 October 2025 14: 59
                        Quote: pin_code
                        It won't be as beautiful. That's 99%. It's a shame, but you've painted a fairy tale.

                        Without this fairy tale there would be no way.
                        Quote: pin_code
                        This fairy tale lacks those who will maintain this farm. What will they do? Mortgage their apartments?

                        First of all, someone has to build it all. We have migrant workers doing it, and that's exactly how it should be. Builders from North Korea (primarily because it's close, they're allies, and they're very good and disciplined builders) and Vietnam can build the entire infrastructure, production facilities, residential areas, and roads, and then go home with their earnings. That's how the Trans-Siberian Railway was built. And it's best to build government-owned housing there, with low rents. And yes, ownership rights should be granted after 10 years of impeccable service. The rest should have the option to buy it out if they so desire. But the government should build the housing, without any commercial markups. And businesses will naturally follow solvent buyers. If taxation is preferential, so businesses don't jack up prices, everything will work out. And that's the only way. The scent of the taiga isn't something that attracts people, much less specialists, these days.
                      9. -1
                        31 October 2025 15: 28
                        I gave you a + at first because you always give detailed comments... Well, now I'll look into it (I have 11% battery left), and I still have to go...
                      10. 0
                        31 October 2025 15: 45
                        First of all, someone has to build all this. Here, it's migrant workers who do it, and that's exactly how it should be.
                        They build with questionable quality; you have to constantly monitor them. I've seen Koreans build, but as my daughter says, those are ancient structures. They were built in the 80s.
                      11. +1
                        31 October 2025 17: 37
                        My brother is currently in management at a gas chemical plant under construction on the Amur River. They mostly have workers from Southeast Asia, a lot of Vietnamese. I told him about the Koreans. He agrees, he knows they work well and efficiently, but the issue with them needs to be resolved centrally. Maybe they've already decided; we had a conversation about a year ago. So, they've gathered 30,000 workers for the construction site; it's a huge construction project, and the deadline is tight. But they refused to hire the Central Asians. Khusnullin can't dictate to them.
                        The only way to build in the Far East now is to create the entire infrastructure, build production, lay roads, provide energy, and only then bring in people. And the builders are right there – in North Korea. They’re close by, the wages are very good for them, they’re disciplined, responsible, not spoiled. It’s good for them, and they’ll help us. And there are plenty of people in Vietnam. But they’re from the south, and it’s cold here. But they come for the money.
                        They work and return.
                        It's bad that the Khusnullins are now importing not only Wahhabis but also Roma, supposedly "to the construction site." These rogue developers need to be clamped down on, so they don't just gush. It's time to stop this beastliness, all these construction pyramids and rip-offs. But apparently, this task is not for today's generation.
                      12. -1
                        31 October 2025 19: 02
                        I agree with you here 200%. Unfortunately, I don't have time.
                      13. -1
                        31 October 2025 13: 30
                        Quote: pin_code
                        Russia lost two naval wars. Maybe more. I only counted the Crimean and Japanese wars.
                        To win a war at sea, you have to prepare for it well in advance. At least 20 years before it starts, because "A fleet takes a long time to build" – that was an English naval saying during the heyday of the British Navy. Well, don't tell me that; there was time, there was money. It's much higher for smart people who thrive on beauty and beauty, but who have to toil and stink. hi
                      14. 0
                        31 October 2025 11: 11
                        But everyone has the right to express their perspective on a situation or issue. I agreed with you on many of the comments in dozens of articles. But not now. After the Northern Military District, the fleet needs special attention. And it's not because I want it that way, but because it's necessary for the country. And it's not just about ships. There are also huge expenditures on naval aviation. Because it's on the brink of not just a crisis, but practically death. And even all the recent articles don't reflect its true state.
                      15. 0
                        31 October 2025 12: 36
                        Quote: pin_code
                        I agreed with you on many of the comments in dozens of articles. Now, however, I don't.

                        Yes, you still agree with me, you just didn’t quite understand what was stated correctly.
                        Quote: pin_code
                        After the SVO, the fleet needs special attention.

                        That's what I'm saying, AFTER the SVO, when our hands are untied, finances are freed up, and the geostrategic alignment becomes clear. And since Europe isn't going anywhere, we need to move shipbuilding to the Far East and build our fleet there. Until the issues with Europe are resolved and we have normal, free access to the Atlantic. We need a fleet, but we need to do it this way.
                      16. VlK
                        +1
                        31 October 2025 11: 15
                        And to wage war on land with the most powerful military bloc on the planet and at the same time build Ocean Fleet ...this is already beyond any financial capabilities. Even for such a rich and developed country as Russia. It's a question of priorities. If we win, we'll build a fleet.

                        What if we don't take on an insurmountable task, but start small, without scattering resources on completely different tasks—build corvettes and minesweepers in sufficient numbers to cover the BMZ, and develop anti-submarine aircraft, reconnaissance, and targeting systems? The navy's post-Civil War revival also began with a lighter force. And "if nothing is done, nothing will happen."
                      17. 0
                        31 October 2025 12: 50
                        Well, that's kind of what they wanted, back in 2008, when the first program was being put together. But something went wrong. Do you remember how the Navy's rearmament program began? With 20380 corvettes (later 20385 appeared) and 22350 frigates. There were delays with the frigates, so 11356 were ordered for the Black Sea Fleet. And then problems arose in the Northern Black Sea region, and our shipbuilders were left without a propulsion plant. And USC management began... out of nowhere, embezzling funds and sabotaging orders. MI6 was busy, the FSB was dozing.
                        That's how we live. There are too many embezzlers these days who have sold out to MI6. We need a Doctor. And also a new shipbuilding program and criminal liability for failure to comply with the state defense order.
                      18. VlK
                        0
                        31 October 2025 13: 07
                        Do you remember how the Navy's rearmament program began? With 20380 corvettes (later 20385) and 22350 frigates. There were delays with the frigates, so the Black Sea Fleet ordered 11356.

                        Wasn't it around the same time that development began on the Lider nuclear-powered destroyer project (the size of a battleship), various aircraft carrier variants, and the order for a amphibious assault ship from France? Plus the submarine component, simultaneously, including nuclear submarines of various classes and diesel-powered submarines of various designs, including those with air-independent propulsion systems. So, they wanted it all at once again.
                      19. 0
                        31 October 2025 13: 49
                        Quote: VlK
                        They wanted everything at once again.

                        The navy is "everything at once." Ship designs take a long time to develop, with shipyards and new technologies, weapons components, and equipment being developed for their construction. It's a drawn-out process. If you want to start building large ships in 10-15 years, you need to start preparing all this right now. Otherwise, they won't be ready by the deadline (keel laying).
                        Quote: VlK
                        Wasn't it at the same time that work began on the project of the nuclear destroyer Lider (the size of a battleship), various versions of an aircraft carrier, and

                        That's exactly what I'm getting at. Designers love big, complex projects. But the thing is, we simply had nowhere to build all of this. So it's all theory and mental gymnastics. The government didn't commission these ships (or even designs), but only financed the research and development work. And the design bureaus have been lugging their mockups around to exhibitions.
                        Quote: VlK
                        ordering UDC in France?

                        Yep. Almost half of these UDCs (40%+) were built (the hulls were formed) in St. Petersburg—the aft sections. Then they were hauled to France and mated to the forward hull sections there. That was stipulated in the contract, so our shipbuilders could gain experience. It didn't work out, but they would be a welcome addition to the Pacific Fleet now.
                        Quote: VlK
                        Plus the underwater component in parallel, and both nuclear submarines of different classes and diesel submarines of different projects,

                        How can we do without them? How can we do without the Borei-A SSBNs? How can we do without the newest Yasen-M SSBNs/SSGNs? How can we protect the naval base and control the strait zones and our own security zone without non-supplied submarines/diesel-electric submarines? Do you think this was unnecessary and that 12 new Varshav-class submarines didn't add any additional capabilities to the fleet?
                        Quote: VlK
                        including with VNEU.

                        Everyone screwed up with this... No matter how much they promoted this approach, no one managed to produce a system that was acceptable in terms of power, reliability, endurance, and price. The French didn't adopt it, although they were supposedly building one for export, and the Japanese were disappointed and are now building the same ones, but using light submarine submarines. So, we wasted a ton of time and money, and arrived at what was already obvious back then: new, high-capacity, very light light submarine submarines that provide submarines with 2-3 weeks of submerged endurance and the ability to cruise for extended periods at 20 knots without compromising stealth. In principle, their endurance could be increased to 30 days, and they would become a major alternative to SSBNs. Moreover, possessing far greater stealth than any other submarine, they would easily win duels with enemy SSBNs and even... be able to hunt their SSBNs in combat deployment areas. That's why a new version of the Lada with a LIAB is currently being developed. And perhaps a larger/longer version, the Samara, with a 10-12 UVP for the Zircon or Kalibr missiles will follow. And this is a very good direction.
                        Quote: VlK
                        What if we don't take on a task that is obviously too overwhelming, but start small, without scattering resources on completely different tasks - build in sufficient quantities to cover the BMZ

                        So, what's wrong with the Buyan and Karakurt corvettes being BMZ corvettes? Yes, they're not anti-submarine ships, they're small missile ships. But back then, the priority was to increase the Navy's strike capabilities, as there was a serious bottleneck with frigates. So, they built 30 small missile ships (12 + 18). Now, the Karakurt can be used to build ASW corvettes. Just equip them with a good BUGAS, a foot-mounted submersible sonar, the Paket-NK system, and replace the gun turret with a Pantsir module without the artillery section... but without the Pantsir ME on the stern. And, of course, Otvet ASW missiles in the UKSK slots.
                        They probably should have been built in roughly this form initially, but the Buyans had a completely different concept and were intended for use on rivers and inland waters, and the Karakurt project was adopted too hastily. Perhaps even some Karakurts can be retrofitted, but ideally we need a new "Big Karakurt" project with a VI of 1500 tons with two D-500 diesel engines (10,000 hp each), with two UKSK with 16 cells, BUGAS, a foot-lowered sonar, "Paket-NK", "Pantsir-ME", a 76 mm cannon, two remote-controlled machine guns with a thermal imaging sight. I have been proposing this for a long time. The estimated price is 12 billion rubles. (Karakurt has 9 billion rubles).
                      20. VlK
                        0
                        31 October 2025 14: 07
                        The navy is "everything at once." Ship designs take a long time to develop, with shipyards and new technologies, weapons components, and equipment being developed for their construction. It's a drawn-out process. If you want to start building large ships in 10-15 years, you need to start preparing all this right now. Otherwise, they won't be ready by the deadline (keel laying).

                        I'm not against it, and even for it, but here's the question - what do we have as a result of the program today in terms of surface ships, has it been completed for at least one class, or did we, by aiming for everything at once, get almost nothing, without closing a single problematic area?
                        Well, how are the "Buyans" and "Karakurts" not BMZ corvettes?

                        Nothing, and you yourself mention this below. These are simply floating missile launchers; changing their purpose would require a complete redesign of the ship. I don't think any modernization of existing ones would be sufficient.
                        Do you think that this was unnecessary and that 12 new Varshavs did not add capabilities to the Fleet?

                        Well, Mr. Klimov spoke very uncomplimentarily about them as modern warships, and his opinion inspires confidence for several reasons.
                      21. 0
                        31 October 2025 16: 06
                        Quote: VlK
                        and what do we have today as a result of the program in terms of surface ships, even though it was completed for one class,

                        No. Because the perpetrators were engaged in sabotage and embezzlement, and the controllers looked on with condescension or were in on it.
                        Quote: VlK
                        I think that no modernization of the ready-made ones will be enough here.

                        And I think so, because there is simply no room on them/in them for additional equipment and seats for sonar and submarine weapons operators. But such thoughts were there.

                        Quote: VlK
                        Well, Mr. Klimov spoke very uncomplimentarily about them as modern warships, and his opinion inspires confidence for several reasons.

                        I remember his opinion; we both thought so. But there was no alternative, so they laid down two series of six Varshavskis—with the old powerplant, but an updated sonar system, the latest torpedoes, and the Kalibr cruise missile. Until the Ladas were mass-produced, they were no good at interception. XReN0v0 that we're late with the Ladas, but perhaps in part... for the most part, that's also sabotage, sabotage, and treason. Even with the old powerplant, the Ladas would have been a superb replacement for the Halibuts, and with the LIAB, they'd be simply magnificent.
                      22. 0
                        31 October 2025 13: 37
                        Let's be honest, these bad people (multiply them by X, divide by Y, and add Y) are experts and excellent embezzlers. It's not customary in our government to watch the film "The Meeting Place Cannot Be Changed." They say bad things there, like "A thief should go to prison."
                      23. +1
                        31 October 2025 15: 50
                        Quote: pin_code
                        "A thief should go to prison."

                        This is a good phrase.
                      24. 0
                        31 October 2025 16: 09
                        I'm not refusing, I just don't see it that way. The country should know the faces of its "heroes." But there are few faces, and much undone. Do you agree?
                      25. +1
                        31 October 2025 17: 45
                        You remember the phrase "We're not in 37 anymore"?
                        So, it looks like it's already something like 36,5. Arrests are being made, but quietly, without noise, publications, or bravura slogans. And the liberals are silent. We'll see what this means.
              2. 0
                9 November 2025 18: 14
                Developing the real sector and balanced naval development—what else can we come up with? A well-thought-out foreign policy.
                There can be no simple solutions.
    2. -11
      30 October 2025 10: 54
      I'm embarrassed to ask)) who (what type of ships) will lay mines right next to the bases?)))
      But if we look at the issue more broadly, the author somehow forgets that the Americans have long called the United States their number one adversary. And now they're working to avoid losing the arms race to China, including in naval matters. They had a significant lead, but now the Chinese are rapidly reducing it. So, the United States won't be able to allocate much for the Barents Sea—they have their own priorities. And without the United States, NATO will be very sad.
      1. +2
        30 October 2025 15: 23
        Enemy submarines. In the near future, they won't even need to enter our depleted anti-submarine warfare zone; that will be done by anti-submarine warfare vessels.
        1. 0
          30 October 2025 21: 55
          Quote: TermNachTER
          I'm embarrassed to ask)) who (what type of ships) will lay mines right next to the bases?)))

          Mining is possible using Quickstrike gliding munitions.
    3. 0
      31 October 2025 18: 36
      The power received by the radar is proportional to the 4th power of the distance.
      … I'll correct the typo "INVERSE PROPORTIONAL" - the further away, the weaker the received signal
  2. +17
    30 October 2025 05: 47
    No enemy has ever been able to inflict such damage on the Russian Army and Navy as the bourgeoisie has inflicted...
    1. +3
      30 October 2025 07: 07
      No enemy has ever been able to inflict such damage on the Russian Army and Navy as the bourgeoisie has inflicted...

      Not the bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie are in Europe and overseas, and our own liberals. Only these bastards were able to destroy the country so completely that it essentially lost its navy.
      1. +2
        30 October 2025 07: 59
        Quote: The Truth
        Not the bourgeoisie. The bourgeoisie are in Europe and overseas, and our own liberals. Only these bastards were able to destroy the country so completely that it essentially lost its navy.

        You can blame the dog for the attack, but it would be more correct to blame the owner who gave the "Sicken" command... right?
        1. +4
          30 October 2025 11: 50
          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          who gave the command "Attack"... didn't he?
          You can shoot a dog during an attack, but with its owner, it's more complicated. The puppeteers of global capitalism have long wanted to see a strong Russia in its grave, and they didn't destroy the USSR so their henpecked henchmen could strengthen Russia. If we're going to talk about this, we should start with the traitors—the "dogs"—and not their masters behind the scenes.
          1. +1
            30 October 2025 12: 00
            Quote: Per se.
            If we are going to talk about this, then we need to start with the traitors - the "dogs", and not their behind-the-scenes masters.

            You're right, of course, but most likely they'll just "throw in" new "puppies," and I think they've already thrown in some long ago... I don't think the bet is on just one horse...
            1. +5
              30 October 2025 12: 13
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              new "puppies" will be "thrown in"
              We simply need our own wolfhounds, not foreign mongrels and corrupt jackals. We need our own independent pole of power (socialism), people's power, and a people's army. And let's be clear right now that there is no national multiplication table, and mathematics and economics are not the monopoly of capitalism alone.
      2. +1
        31 October 2025 09: 27
        They are precisely the kind of bourgeois dropouts. They completed their first or second year of university at Western universities, where they studied fraud and other illegal activities. They decided they knew everything and returned home. To put their knowledge into practice, so to speak.
    2. +1
      30 October 2025 21: 57
      Quote: Vulpes
      Such is the damage that the bourgeoisie has inflicted on the Russian Army and Navy

      Ha-ha-ha, so our "bourgeoisie" have been sitting in the General Staff and in other positions responsible for decision-making for a long time.
  3. +4
    30 October 2025 05: 50
    In this case, The Russian armed forces have no chance of delivering a "disarming" strike, which would destroy US nuclear potential before it could be used.

    Listen, this is where things get a bit frustrating... What about the Poseidons and Sarmats? What would happen if a hypersonic nuclear missile hit the Yellowstone Caldera?
    If there is no chance, then it depends only on the political will of the leadership, although talking about the desire to get to Heaven early is also stupid.
    The reason is simple: such actions are fraught with a nuclear missile Armageddon, in which Russia will cease to exist as a state and a nation. More than half of our population lives in just the top 100 cities in the Russian Federation., and they will burn in a nuclear fire less than an hour after the missiles take off into the sky.

    Human civilization was reborn from the 10,000 people who survived on the African continent... And in Russia, no one forced almost 20% of the population to concentrate in Moscow, the Moscow region, St. Petersburg, and the Leningrad region... What about the cities in Siberia and the Far East?
    * * *
    The conclusion here is simple: we need to find a new strategy for the development of the state, otherwise we ourselves will die out like mammoths, or dissolve into a migrant symbiosis...
    1. +6
      30 October 2025 06: 09
      Quote: ROSS 42
      we need to look for a new strategy for the development of the state

      The strategy is simple. Learn Chinese, stop calling China "China"—that's right, Zhongguo—and stop calling the Chinese "Han," instead of "People's Republic of China" or "Zhonghua Renmin Gongheguo." You can either get an epicanthus surgery, or squint constantly...
      1. +15
        30 October 2025 11: 06
        Quote: Puncher
        The strategy is simple. Learn Chinese, stop calling China "China"—that's right, Zhongguo—and stop calling the Chinese "Han," instead of "People's Republic of China" or "Zhonghua Renmin Gongheguo." You can either get an epicanthus surgery, or squint constantly...

        The party is proud of you! +150 social rating! The party gives out a double bowl of rice, cat wife! © smile
      2. 0
        30 October 2025 11: 56
        Quote: Puncher
        The strategy is simple. Learn Chinese.
        Well, we survived the Tatar-Mongol yoke, and maybe the "Tatar-Chinese" one will work too...
      3. 0
        30 October 2025 17: 55
        You have the same sinophobia as some Russian Trumpist.
      4. +2
        30 October 2025 20: 08
        Wait a minute... The Chinese are already experiencing a birth rate crisis, they've started living well and stopped having children, TikTok is ruling the roost and consumption is on the rise.
    2. +12
      30 October 2025 06: 18
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Listen, this is where it gets offensive...

      Alas
      Quote: ROSS 42
      What about the Poseidons?

      What does Poseidon have to do with this? The most it can do is destroy US naval bases, but their SSBNs on combat alert, land-based ICBMs, and strategic bombers will respond. They are invulnerable to Poseidon.
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Sarmatians

      The Sarmat is an excellent ICBM that will penetrate virtually any modern missile defense system. However, it is not a disarming strike weapon—its launch would be detected by the American missile defense system, giving them time to launch a counterattack.
      Quote: ROSS 42
      What would happen if a nuclear hypersonic weapon hit the Yellowstone Caldera?

      Absolutely nothing. Nature operates with energies orders of magnitude greater than our nuclear arsenals.
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Human civilization was reborn from 10,000 people

      It's a rather controversial theory, but that's not the point. Even if you're right, humanity was reborn for one simple reason: its only enemies were wild animals.
      But after a nuclear war, we'll have "friendly" neighboring countries against us. Do you seriously think that after such destruction, China won't want to grab Siberia and the Far East? We'll be left with a small population, a small agricultural sector, zero science, and our industry will be practically completely destroyed.
      Quote: ROSS 42
      What about cities in Siberia and the Far East?

      The same thing - nuclear weapons will destroy them. There are only a few large cities there, and the smaller ones are few and far between.
      1. +3
        30 October 2025 06: 28
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        The same thing - nuclear weapons will destroy them. There are only a few large cities there, and the smaller ones are few and far between.

        It was meant: What about NEW cities in Siberia and the Far East?
        Now it's clear why Russian thieves are fleeing to Britain – we'll never attack that country, no matter how much shit it does...
        You know, there's something about the dissolution of the Russian ethnic group into the Chinese... The nation is already afflicted by a deadly virus, there aren't many treatments, and they're being ignored...
        Although, for now, the Chinese are intensively learning Russian and reading Pushkin...
        1. +18
          30 October 2025 06: 32
          Quote: ROSS 42
          What was meant was: What about NEW cities in Siberia and the Far East?

          It's simple: the North used to be a tough place to live, but a highly paid one. Then the efficient ones came along, and wages gradually slashed. But living conditions remained. The result: people are fleeing the old cities, so what's left for the new ones?
          1. +1
            30 October 2025 06: 35
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            But here everything is simple - the North used to be a place that was difficult to live in, but highly paid.

            I am able to analyze the events and I can say that in Siberia and the Far East, rural residents moved to cities...
        2. +7
          30 October 2025 08: 24
          Back in 20-21, Sergei Kozhugetovich was going on about how we needed to develop Siberia, meaning build two or three cities with a population of over a million, but where would we find the population for them? Who would go there?! And now everyone's forgotten about that idea. Instead, they boast that we've grown, rescuing five million people from the new territories. So they should have been resettled there, along with all the other refugees. So you have two or three cities with a population of over a million in Siberia, and people are settled in everything new, and it's easier to keep track of who fled what, and the workforce.
          1. +3
            30 October 2025 20: 53
            Quote: Vadim S
            They should have been resettled there, along with all the other refugees. So you have 2-3 million people in Siberia, and people are settled in everything new, and it's easier to keep track of who fled what, and the workforce.

            Such achievements require the appropriate level and quality of management. Current management is incapable of this – it is lazy and lacking initiative.
            And what are people supposed to do in Siberia anyway? Send them to the mines? Or should entire industrial clusters be built and developed there? Do you understand the scale of the task? The scale of the costs? The level and required quality of planning and management? Who should be entrusted with it? Shoigi's son-in-law? Peskov's daughter? And at the top right now, there are only brats. They are what they were raised to be. And they want to hand over power to them and only them. So who will accomplish such great deeds?
            That's what we need.
            There is no one.
            Negative selection is such a selection.

            While China hasn't fully gained strength, and the West has already degenerated, they're still managing, albeit crookedly. But when their offspring start replacing them, and China gains strength... I don't even want to think about it.
          2. 0
            31 October 2025 09: 48
            There aren't that many refugees here. Uzbeks, Tajiks... There are already too many of them in my city. We need factories and plants with decent wages; Siberia can produce, build, and even feed everything itself.
      2. +2
        30 October 2025 11: 02
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Even if you are right, humanity was reborn for one simple reason - its only enemy was wild animals.
        But after a nuclear war, we will have "friendly" neighboring countries against us.

        After a nuclear war, our own industry, energy, and utilities will be the first to be targeted. The consequences of man-made disasters will be worse than those of our hostile neighbors. This is especially true if we remember that the "7-10" rule doesn't apply to peaceful nuclear energy, which has much longer half-lives.
        1. 0
          31 October 2025 09: 54
          So, if something happens, we need to strike deep into the vile northern continent, and they too should end up with the same result.
      3. +1
        30 October 2025 18: 07
        What does Poseidon have to do with this? The most it can do is destroy a US naval base, but their SSBNs on combat alert, land-based ICBMs, and strategic bombers will respond.
        Well, it could be used as part of a preemptive strike. It's not something they prepare a day before the Americans decide to hit us; a preemptive strike is more like a couple of years of preparation. In a spherical vacuum, Poseidon could deploy Kuzka's mothers, disguised as boulders, to American bases. And, for example, floating container launchers with nuclear zircons. Enemy SSBNs are difficult to track; it might be easier and cheaper to buy some American admiral for a billion bucks to leak the coordinates. And the actual strike would only begin when all those coordinates appear on the screen and in the strike zone.
        In general, you can somehow get by on the couch without taking into account that in the leadership there is a traitor sitting on a thief and driving a coward...
      4. 0
        31 October 2025 09: 43
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Human civilization was reborn from 10,000 people
        It's a rather controversial theory, but that's not the point. Even if you're right, humanity was reborn for one simple reason: its only enemies were wild animals.
        "But after a nuclear war, we'll have "friendly" neighboring countries against us. Do you seriously think that after such destruction, China won't want to grab Siberia and the Far East? We'll have a small population, a small agricultural sector, zero science, and our industry will be practically completely destroyed." "Andrey completely agrees with the "10000 in Africa" ​​theory: black people with black eyes arrived. And then, a miracle! In Europe and Asia (in some places), the eyes turned blue or gray (green), and the blackness of the skin was rubbed off with sand or clay. But will the neighbors want to grab anything? Perhaps... But that will be much later, 50-100-150 years from now. And even that's not a given. In a retaliatory strike, you don't need neighbors..."
  4. -8
    30 October 2025 06: 10
    But the Americans were counting, firstly, on their technical superiority (and they had it, since in terms of submarine stealth, the USSR was in a catching-up position)

    I recommend the author read about the Soviet Navy's operations "Aport" and "Atrina," as well as about the Soviet submarine K-314.
    1. +9
      30 October 2025 06: 20
      Quote: Amateur
      I recommend the author to read

      The author apparently knows this topic much better than you. Aport and Atrina have nothing to do with it.
      1. +7
        30 October 2025 08: 26
        Apparently, a little more detailed explanation is needed.
        Operations Aport and Atrina demonstrated that our newest submarines with the best crews are capable of:
        1) As a result of a complex fleet operation, to enter the Atlantic in peacetime undetected
        2) Take US SSBNs under escort.
        This is certainly a remarkable achievement. But American SSNs also managed to enter our fleets' areas of responsibility and escort our SSBNs. So, these operations in themselves don't disprove my assertion about the technical superiority of US SSNs.
        And, in general, it was. We only approached parity with the advent of the Shchuk-671 RTMK, similar to the American Los Angeles. Perhaps parity could be discussed with the Shchuk-B 971 and the improved Los. But the USSR didn't have time to create an equivalent to the Seawolf.
        1. +1
          30 October 2025 10: 58
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          But the USSR didn't have time to create an analogue of Seawolf

          Damn her... When the EBN began its first term, the lead boat of the project, USS Seawolf (SSN-21), was under construction, June 24, 1995. The onboard sonar antennas are visible...
          https://topwar.ru/170249-cena-sovershenstva-mnogocelevye-apl-seawolf.html
          1. +3
            30 October 2025 19: 11
            Quote: ROSS 42
            When the EBN began its first term, the lead boat of the project, USS Seawolf (SSN-21), was under construction,

            Absolutely right. But, for example, the Shchuki-B outperformed its counterparts (the Improved Los Angeles) by four years, if my sclerosis isn't lying to me.
            1. +5
              30 October 2025 23: 04
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              For example, the Shchuki-B is 4 years ahead of its counterparts (Improved Los Angeles), if my sclerosis doesn't lie to me

              The point is that by the end of the USSR, our submarines had reached at least parity with US submarines, and work was underway on a new submarine with a new liquid metal reactor with a capacity of 5000-6000 tons. I don’t remember the project index, but I remember that they managed to make a full-size model to work out the internal layout and placed great hopes on these submarines, planning to build them in a very large series. The race for the leader bore fruit, but the USSR had not only SSNs (the Shchuka-B class, by the way, was built in a very large series), but also Project 949 SSGNs with water-jet propulsion, which were very stealthy. They were then paired with the Yasen class SSGNs (this is, after all, a Soviet project... reworked/updated into the Yasen-M) with the Oniks class. In addition to the Project 941 SSBNs, the first Borei class was already being laid down for the new Bark SSBNs. Moreover, the Akula class (971) were, despite their size, very stealthy SSBNs, not to mention the Borei class. If the USSR had had another ten years, we would have already developed a qualitative superiority in very good quantities. And in military affairs, this was already visible in almost all areas. Both in aviation and in the strategic nuclear forces. Both in air defense and missile defense, and even in the surface fleet, things had already begun to improve, and judging by the projects being laid down in the 90s, they were ready to achieve qualitative parity. And this despite the fact that we were keeping pace with them in the pace of military shipbuilding, and even ahead in civilian shipbuilding. Only treason and the stupidity of traitors led to disaster, instead of the country's rise in the 90s.
              And this rise would have occurred against the backdrop of the most severe crisis of Western economies in those same 90s, which we prevented with our own demise. Now they want to repeat this trick again.

              The same Yasen should have appeared in the 90s, leaving behind both the improved Los and the promising Virginia submarines. After all, the prototype was already laid down back then. Imagine the appearance of the Soviet Yasen and Kedr (that's the name of the liquid-metal reactor-powered hunter-killer project) in the mid-90s, amid a slew of completed Shchuk-B and Baton submarines, and massive numbers of Borei submarines with Barka missiles on board. And all against the backdrop of a financial and economic crisis affecting the entire Western bloc.
              We were winning this race, already pulling ahead in a number of areas, and a radical turning point was supposed to occur in the 1990s. If History had taken its course and the Treason had not occurred. The crisis of the 1990s would have seriously dented the US economy (by at least 20%, according to estimates by their economists at the time) and given us a boost. Plus, in those same 1990s, the countries of the Socialist Bloc and developing countries would have begun to repay their debts to the USSR. The principal of the total loan alone amounted to over 500 billion transferable rubles, or about $800 billion at the exchange rate. With interest, that's approximately $1 trillion. The USSR was supposed to receive these funds within 10-15 years. Against the backdrop of an acute "crisis of capitalism" (expected to be on par with the Great Depression) and with markets freeing up, the US and the USSR accounted for 32-35% of global GDP at that time, and the USSR 25%. And during the 1990s, we could have swapped places with the United States in these positions... and even in terms of numbers. This was entirely realistic and achievable. Moreover, the USSR possessed one very powerful internal potential: unmet demand for consumer goods across virtually all categories. This issue could be resolved easily and fairly quickly (this was the focus of my program, which the evaluation committee recognized as the best in the Leontief competition), literally within five or seven years. And the USSR would have emerged from the 1990s with a completely balanced domestic market and a significantly strengthened position in high-tech industries. We would have significantly expanded our markets in aircraft manufacturing thanks to new products, and we would have significantly displaced the United States in the arms market, including by expanding into Latin American countries.
              But the question of “how to do it better” was no longer an issue.
              The question was about changing the socio-political model. And by the late 80s, breaking the criminal alliance between the party apparatus, the KGB, the commercial mafia, and the liberal intelligentsia... was no longer realistic, and there was simply no one to do it.
              1. 0
                31 October 2025 03: 14
                Project 949 SSGN with water-jet propulsion

                Project 949 has standard propellers. You might have confused it with Project 941, but even that doesn't have water jets, but propellers in ring nozzles.
                1. 0
                  31 October 2025 09: 56
                  You are right, it was my purely visual memory that made a mistake with "Shark".
                  Quote: bulatmuhamadeev
                  We don't have water jets, but screws in ring nozzles.

                  But it was precisely these attachments that reduced the acoustic signature from the side/side angles of the "Sharks".
                  In any case, the 949 submarines are quite stealthy and quite advanced for their time. They were quite relevant and quite good in the 90s and 00s. And they can still do some things today.
    2. +5
      30 October 2025 10: 56
      Quote: Amateur
      I recommend the author read about the Soviet Navy's operations "Aport" and "Atrina"

      Is this where the submarine group headquarters directed their operations from the GISU and BRZK in the Caribbean Sea? And did the Tu-142s support the operations? wink
      In addition, four Tu-142M naval aircraft were lifted into the air from the San Antonio airfield in Cuba. Already on the second day of the operation, an American submarine of the James Madison type was discovered. Excellent interaction was established between the submariners of the 33rd submarine division and the pilots of the 35th long-range anti-submarine aviation division. Soon, the pilots managed to spot an American submarine such as the Los Angeles, and then another American strategic missile carrier.

      Ideal operations... for peacetime.
      I can hardly imagine controlling a submarine from a surface-to-air missile system in the Caribbean during wartime. Or the Tu-142s flying safely over the Atlantic (even during a dangerous period).
      1. +2
        30 October 2025 23: 43
        Quote: Alexey RA
        I can hardly imagine controlling a submarine from a surface-to-air missile system in the Caribbean during wartime. Or the Tu-142s flying safely over the Atlantic (even during a dangerous period).

        Well, if we have anti-submarine aircraft based in Cuba and detect enemy SSBNs on combat patrol during a threat period, then (if it's a threat period) it's like that joke: "Are we buying or selling?" That is, if we set the task for a preemptive strike, then we need to time it so as to knock out the submarines on alert, strike at bases (including naval bases) from dagger-range SLBMs from Project 667A SSBNs (which were patrolling off the US coast), at ICBM positioning areas, command centers, arsenals, administrative centers, airfields, etc. ... Isn't that a "Prompt Global Strike" scenario? The Tu-142 could itself, if it so desired, destroy the detected SSN. In any case, the US would have critically little time to decide on a retaliatory strike. The ICBM silos were hit at close range, the SSBNs on alert were destroyed at their deployment sites, the remaining SSNs were destroyed right at their bases, and our ICBMs would arrive in a second wave. Some might have survived, of course, including the SSBNs, but their retaliatory strike would have been extremely weakened and could have been partially dealt with by Moscow's A-135 missile defense system (but they would have only covered Moscow). So, in any case, there was a point. It wasn't about the survivability of crews and aircraft, it was about gaining an advantage in carrying out a preemptive strike. Detecting and putting our Shchuka-Bs on the Ohio's tail, so that at the "X" hour we could knock them out of the balance... that was worth a lot. After all, we were constantly holding our gun to the US's temple back then. In my opinion, at least four Vanya-Washingtons (Project 667A) were on duty off both coasts of the United States on a permanent basis.
        Those were fun times.
        1. +1
          31 October 2025 10: 11
          Quote: bayard
          Well, if we have anti-submarine aircraft based in Cuba and during the threat period detect an enemy SSBN on combat patrol

          During the threat period, our anti-submarine aircraft will simply be driven out of their positions. This could even lead to clashes, as we did with the Orion in 1987. Plus, all communications will be disrupted.
          1. 0
            31 October 2025 10: 43
            Okay, but what if the enemy doesn’t know that the threatening period is already underway?
            After all, we are considering the possibility of a preemptive strike.
            And during such a period, the Tu-142 wouldn't necessarily have to contact headquarters and direct our submarines to a detected SSBN; it could destroy the detected SSN itself with torpedoes and depth charges immediately upon detection. This would be a huge risk for the ASW aircraft crew, but such were the rules of the game, as everyone knew back then. And in those realities, Soviet SSNs and ASW aircraft could behave exactly like US aircraft and submarines in the Barents and Norwegian Seas, the Eastern Mediterranean, and off our Pacific coast. And that's exactly how they behaved. They could even rig up the latest towed antenna for American sonar systems right during testing, haul them away for personal study, and even set up patrols right beneath their naval bases. We waged the Cold War on equal terms, catching up in some ways and already surpassing them in others.
      2. 0
        31 October 2025 10: 06
        Alexey. Well, we don't know what it was supposed to look like. Perhaps there should have been (and why not?) several hundred fighter jets and a couple of air defense armies there. We always like to calculate and assume things without having a basis.
    3. +1
      30 October 2025 12: 06
      What happened to K-314, besides the fact that it was rammed by an American aircraft carrier?
  5. +5
    30 October 2025 06: 10
    Hmmm...a sad analysis of the real state of affairs in a future war between the US and NATO and our navy...what they call a complete mess of all sorts of troubles. request
    I don't even want to comment on all this.
  6. +1
    30 October 2025 06: 41
    We don't know the Russian Navy's development program through 2050, and we can only speculate about its missions, tactics, numbers, and types of ships, submarines, aircraft, and unmanned aerial vehicles. Everything will depend on our economy and external irritants.
    The author has constructed his own model. Of course, the basis of this model is clear. We can agree with it or not, and in my opinion, overall, this is a discussion for the sake of discussion.
    1. +21
      30 October 2025 06: 44
      Quote: Sergey39
      The Russian Navy development program until 2050 is unknown to us.

      But the current state of the fleet and the rate of ship construction are known. The devastating failure of the 2011-2020 State Armament Program (SAP) in shipbuilding still rings in our ears.
      1. +13
        30 October 2025 08: 28
        A powerful ocean-going navy is a sign of a country's strong economy and industry, and can be used to judge many things. And the crumbling remnants of the former might of the Soviet Navy most eloquently demonstrate the level of modern oligarchic Russia.
      2. +7
        30 October 2025 13: 40
        Andrey from Chelyabinsk (Andrey), you are doing a great job!
        I'll point out a couple more points.
        I wrote on "V.O." back in the summer that my beloved Governor of the Arkhangelsk Region declared in the summer of 2025 that a law should be passed stipulating that the salaries of shipbuilders and ship repair workers in the Far North regions should be 20-30% higher than those in the same industries in St. Petersburg. The SPO "Arktika" website stated that a Category 1 design engineer in Severodvinsk (with all the benefits of the KS 2,2, an additional 24 calendar days of vacation, and the possibility of receiving an "Arctic Mortgage") earns a salary starting at 80,000 rubles, while at the St. Petersburg branch of the Baltic Shipyard, the same position earns a salary starting at 110,000 rubles. But in Severodvinsk, instead of working at Sevmash with a new, clean nuclear submarine, a specialist can work on a "dirty" nuclear submarine undergoing repairs at Zvezdochka, or, right there in Yuzhnye Yary, crawl through the compartments of the Kirov, proud that he's collecting radiation on the lead ship of Project 1144, once the Red Banner.
        VTB bankers have their own ideas about how ships should be built. At Sevmash and Zvezdochka, layoffs have been ongoing since last year. Now it's the turn of the "electrical fitters and radio equipment adjusters" at SPO Arktika. In one department, the bankers plan to cut seven of the 15 design engineers. Arktika is in two minds. They remembered the union; the deputy chairperson of the Arkhangelsk Region Trade Union Federation held a training session in Severodvinsk: https://www.echosevera.ru/2025/10/29/6901d4048df213c19407b683.html
        In Russia, it's not just bankers who can spew forth brilliant ideas; regional officials can too. Officials have decided to optimize the former Technical School No. 3, Vocational School No. 38, and now the Severodvinsk Technical School of Electrical Installation and Communications, which trained workers for the Era-Arktika project for over half a century. The city is awaiting uncertain changes: https://tv29.ru/new/index.php/obrazovanie/46232-v-severodvinske-idut-razgovory-o-planakh-zakrytiya-legendarnogo-uchilishcha-38-na-leskoj...
        The situation is oh-so-very similar to that of the Polar Star plant and its parent vocational school, School No. 19. The city experienced it, and we know the results.
        A rhetorical question: who will build and repair the Russian Navy at least until 2030?
        1. +4
          30 October 2025 19: 12
          Thank you, Eugene!
          Quote: Tests
          I'll point out a couple more points.

          Hmm... What can you say here that is polite?
          1. +4
            30 October 2025 21: 00
            Andrey from Chelyabinsk (Andrey), sir, I can make a censored guess. If not all of the USC management are enemies of the people, perhaps not all of them should be investigated by the joint FSB-MVD-Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation investigative team. By laying off workers at USC facilities in Severodvinsk, USC management is training personnel for new civilian shipbuilding facilities on Kotlin Island. VTB Bank, naturally in close collaboration with SB and PSB, will finance the design and construction of these facilities in the Hero City of St. Petersburg. And the dreams of Arkhangelsk Region Governor Mr. Tsybulsky to design and build a new civilian shipbuilding facility on Yagry Island, next to Zvezdochka, will remain just that: https://morvesti.ru/news/1679/118551/
          2. 0
            31 October 2025 10: 17
            And here's where I can't help but say something offensive. Gardeners and maids, trained in former vocational schools, are all the rage. For example, in Novokuznetsk, the Siberian State University of Management and Management abolished the water supply and sanitation department. Who the hell needs it, for the entire region? And there are no specialists!
        2. +2
          31 October 2025 00: 00
          Quote: Tests
          In one department, out of 15 design engineers, bankers plan to cut 7.

          So it turns out that bankers are dumping shipbuilding, like a liquidation team has been appointed?... Like in the "holy 90s"?
          And then Gref (Gref!!! Karl!!) and his Sberbank were appointed to the aircraft industry. To the bravura songs of the SVO.
          And what is this for?
          I also remembered how Gorbachev, having seized control of defense (and space) programs, cut...
          And what are they up to?
          1. +2
            31 October 2025 14: 31
            Bayard, sir, while USC is trying to do what they were good at in the USSR, they outsourced it to Finland in the 1990s and later, until very recently. For many years, for example, thrust bearings for the shafts of nuclear icebreakers, manufactured by the Baltic Shipyard, were made in Finland. That's how USC understood import substitution. Although Mr. Budnichenko, the director of Sevmash, pleaded, "Give us orders; Sevmash machine operators work a single shift!" They only heard from Chukotka... The magpies in St. Petersburg were chattering about how their wives, whoever they wanted, had been traveling to Finland for several years on business trips from USC from Thursday to Saturday, returning to St. Petersburg on Sunday, visiting both industrial and grocery stores, fortunately for them, the trains ran fast. But those white-sided liars are lying! This can't happen here, because it can't! We're exploring the Arctic at 7- or 8-mile paces. True, Russia doesn't have a single ice-class oil tanker project, nor a gas tanker, nor a container ship, nor a bulk carrier. State Duma deputies were ranting that only Russian vessels would sail the Northern Sea Route. Meanwhile, the Arctic Express, making 2-3 calls from China to Arkhangelsk and back during the navigation season, is sailing on Chinese vessels... We can't even provide for the domestic tourism that's so fashionable today. Project 03850 "Sotalia" was shown at the SPIEF in 2022 - one vessel was built, registered in Nizhny Novgorod; project 04860.1 "Iniya" was shown in 2024 - one vessel was built, last year it was moored in Pskov, and this year, it seems, it was launched on Lake Pskov. This year, the EM901 Ecocruiser-M "Strelna" project was unveiled, but there's been no news of new orders for 130-passenger electric ships for St. Petersburg. Although power engineers are looking for overnight customers, they're still looking for energy. Now that the Baltic Tigers and Finland, with their Leningrad Nuclear Power Plant, have stopped importing electricity, nuclear power engineers are ready to charge the batteries of dozens of ships like the "Strelna" and hundreds of electric buses at night. The Kirov Shipyard, Severnaya Verf, Baltic Shipyard, and even the Emperium shipyard, which builds electric ships, are unfortunately not operating in three shifts every day. Where will the Leningrad Nuclear Power Plant put its electricity at night?
  7. +4
    30 October 2025 06: 47
    In principle, the Northern Fleet's capabilities and missions are outlined (and substantiated) appropriately. Globally, God willing, we can successfully meet and see off our submarines, and at the current moment, God willing, we can outnumber the Norwegian Navy by a factor of two.
  8. +8
    30 October 2025 06: 49
    That's Andrey "threw on a scary picture",
    I even wanted to leave the site.
    Weeping to remember our fleet,
    sadly overturn the glass.

    Or maybe... an icebreaker fleet?
    Let's throw the coast under the adversaries,
    while they are asking us for "rent",
    he "inconspicuous" it will pass.

    and only when he is there,
    like a knife at the enemy's throat,
    наш "peaceful atom", he will say firmly,
    - “they say rock the boat, and I will repay you” !!
    ...

    wink smile winked
    hi
    1. +1
      30 October 2025 12: 05
      Quote: Vl Nemchinov
      Or maybe... an icebreaker fleet?
      It's unlikely that using the Arctic ice cap, under which our submarines are difficult to detect and virtually impossible to track from above or above the ice, is an option. The Yankees pushed for the destruction of our Akulas in no small part because they were Arctic submarines, primarily designed for operations under the polar ice. The R-39 issue is secondary and could have been resolved, even without considering the missile reserves. The claim that they "didn't fit at sea" is simply the voice of traitors and eccentrics.
  9. +14
    30 October 2025 06: 54
    "Our leadership has become so weakened that it will not respond with nuclear weapons under any circumstances"—it's not about the weakness of "our leadership," but about the accounts, real estate, and children of this very "leadership" living in countries with which the author plans to wage war. The scandals surrounding State Duma deputy Irina Rodnina, whose daughter is in the United States, have just died down, and now another deputy has been "expelled" from the State Duma and placed on the international wanted list for rape. And how many of them have fled there: the United States, Germany, France, Israel? "Our weakened leadership" is only capable of drawing "red lines" that no one takes seriously anymore. And the weakness of the Northern Fleet is also the reason for this.
    1. +2
      30 October 2025 18: 20
      The accounts and real estate could be sold a hundred times over; the children will arrive at Sheremetyevo within 24 hours under threat of having their funding cut off. But no one is planning to do this. Western life is like a fix for a drug addict for our leaders; they're willing to dance for the dealer at any cost. And that's their fatal weakness.
  10. +4
    30 October 2025 07: 14
    our leadership has become so weakened that it will not respond with nuclear weapons under any circumstances
    But this is the most terrible thing and I’m afraid that this is how it is.
  11. +11
    30 October 2025 08: 29
    The war has drained the country of all its resources. We'll soon be thinking about how to survive, not just the navy. Things are looking good for now, but the economy is plummeting. With the current leadership, we have no prospects; their style of governance is only leading to a dead end. Of course, everyone "over there" sees this and probably knows it better than even us, and they know how to make predictions; they don't need to hope for the best. That's why despair is thriving here!
    1. +8
      30 October 2025 10: 52
      Quote: Vadim S
      The war has sucked all the resources out of the country, it's not about the navy, but rather we'll soon be thinking about how to simply survive.

      The problem is that the navy accounts for 40% of strategic warheads. And the only way to ensure an inevitable retaliatory strike is through covert deployment of their carriers. The PGMS bases are visible from space. The PGMS themselves are also visible, and their mobility is limited by roads. But an SSBN, provided its security ("bastion") is ensured, is always "somewhere within the sea." Under normal counter-terrorism conditions, a salvo from SSBNs on alert should be sufficient to shelve plans for a disarming strike "due to the unacceptable level of damage in a retaliatory strike."
      1. +2
        30 October 2025 15: 21
        The author is certainly correct that the primary task of the Northern Fleet is to ensure the deployment of unavoidable retaliatory strike capabilities. This is precisely the key to Russia's survival in the face of the obvious superiority of the "potential adversary." The adversary must recognize the unacceptable risks of any aggressive action. This logic may allow for the deployment of new, unobvious capabilities like the Poseidon-Burevestnik.
        Regarding the analysis of the state and prospects of the Northern Fleet, it can be said that measures to create reconnaissance systems, target designation, and underwater situational awareness are insufficient, and measures to revive obsolete monsters are excessive.
      2. 0
        31 October 2025 00: 12
        Quote: Alexey RA
        But the SSBN, provided that its security is ensured (“bastion”), is at any time located “somewhere within the sea”.

        To ensure the stability and effectiveness of the "bastion," a sufficient number of surface naval and air forces are necessary. Our surface shipbuilding sector is at the bottom of a well. And now the bankers are finishing off what's left.
  12. +4
    30 October 2025 10: 07
    The key ship we need immediately is a small nuclear attack submarine. All these Ladas are a dead end.
    1. 0
      30 October 2025 22: 29
      Quote: Arzt
      The key ship we need immediately is a small nuclear attack submarine. All these Ladas are a dead end.

      Diesel-electric submarines (in modern reality, non-electric submarines) are good in limited basins (the Black, Mediterranean, and Baltic Seas) and for protecting bases in the Northern and Pacific Fleets
    2. +2
      31 October 2025 10: 17
      Quote: Arzt
      The key ship needed immediately is a small multi-purpose nuclear submarine.

      Well, there have been calls for a long time to ditch the Yasen's abominable UVP for cruise missiles and return to the Project 671RTM. Or the RTMK, but with cruise missile launches only via torpedo tubes. smile
      Because using the example of the 4th and 5th "Blocks" of the "Virginia" it is clear that the compartment with the cruise missile adds 30% to the displacement.
      And if someone wants SSGNs, they should build them on the already-developed Borey-class submarines, similar to the Ohio-class SSGN. And the result will still be just two basic types of submarines, instead of the Soviet Navy's zoo of them.
  13. 0
    30 October 2025 10: 19
    The author decided to dream about the year 2040. Finally, someone has appeared who can see far ahead.
    1. 0
      30 October 2025 22: 32
      Quote: MrFox
      The author decided to dream about the year 2040. Finally, someone has appeared who can see far ahead.

      Even Vanga didn't give any precise predictions for this period.
  14. +5
    30 October 2025 10: 46
    A carrier-based strike force consisting of a pair of aircraft carriers and escort ships was scheduled to enter Norwegian waters. The carriers were to carry aircraft with overload—a significant number of them would fly to Norwegian airfields and operate from them. Essentially, the carriers acted as a "floating rearguard," providing their aircraft with maintenance and ammunition, but avoiding attack from the surface and air forces of the Northern Fleet.

    In the 80s, the Yankees also used aircraft shelters in Norwegian fjords. In this case, the aircraft served as a permanent airfield with the ability to move.
    If I remember correctly, the "America" ​​aircraft carrier was the first to do this, which greatly puzzled our Northern Fleet: carrier aviation is being detected, but the AUG itself at sea is not.
    At the same time, the United States, which has long been eyeing the concept of a “disarming” strike, may at some point become convinced that it is capable of carrying it out and thereby preventing Russia from using its nuclear potential.

    Yeah... especially if we continue to expose the only component of the nuclear triad, capable of a guaranteed retaliatory strike, to detection (and subsequent destruction on D-Day) starting from the base's fairway. Instead of a carrier of 16 SLBMs secretly moving into the positional area ("somewhere here, in a 500x500 mile square"), we'll get a target for the "virgin" traveling under escort from the territorial waters.
    1. +1
      30 October 2025 19: 13
      Quote: Alexey RA
      In the 80s, the Yankees also practiced hiding AVs in the Norwegian fjords.

      Yes, sir! hi
  15. +1
    30 October 2025 11: 33
    There is a frigate in the area, whose Poliment-Redut will not allow the patrol Poseidon to get close

    This is where things get confusing. Is this in peacetime or wartime? If peacetime, then how can we stop this Poseidon in international waters, and most importantly, why? But if wartime, a lone frigate in enemy air range won't last long; it won't even reach its destination. :((
    The downside of the Sunflower is its vulnerability – the radar of this type

    A drawback of all radar systems is the lack of reliability in target detection and identification. It's more accurate to talk about cases where something is not detected, rather than cases where something is not detected or misidentified.
    1. +2
      30 October 2025 19: 17
      Quote from solar
      But if it’s military, then a lone frigate in the enemy air force’s range won’t last long; it won’t even reach its destination.

      So, how about that? In the near-sea zone, the radar can slightly outperform the AWACS. It's a long way for the US to fly there, but for our land-based MFIs, it's even closer.
      Quote from solar
      The disadvantage of all radar systems is the insufficient reliability of target detection and identification.

      Generally speaking, yes, when there's a significant number of irrelevant vessels/aircraft. But in the north, there aren't any. There, any group or single aircraft known to be non-combatants (and that's no problem to control) is a priori an enemy.
      The sunflower, by the way, was highly praised
  16. 0
    30 October 2025 12: 10
    An interesting analysis. I think the SSBN's stability is easier to ensure further east, given the ice conditions. There might be room for Project 23550 here, with the addition of anti-submarine warfare capabilities. The displacement allows for this. However, our diesel submarines should be the primary countermeasure to US SSBNs—they need to be built! The southern part of Novaya Zemlya will need to be carefully developed—airfields for Su-30SMs, anti-submarine aircraft, as well as Bastion positions—cover against NATO ship incursions into the western and central Barents Sea. Of course, the fleet alone won't solve the problem, but geography is on our side.
  17. +1
    30 October 2025 12: 16
    Please forgive me for my amateurish opinion.
    I believe the article doesn't adequately address the topic of naval drones, including underwater ones. By 2040, given current trends, their contribution could likely be relatively affordable and significant, including in ensuring the combat stability of SSBNs. There's still time.
    1. +2
      30 October 2025 19: 23
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      I think the article doesn't sufficiently cover the topic of maritime drones, including underwater ones.

      I wrote about flying ones earlier, in the previous article of the series, https://topwar.ru/272211-morskaja-aviacija-krasnoznamennogo-severnogo-flota-est-li-svet-v-konce-tonnelja.html about surface ones - here
      https://topwar.ru/242594-uzhas-letjaschij-na-kryljah-nochi-ili-pochemu-ukrainskie-bjek-dobivajutsja-uspeha.html
      And about the underwater ones... We could really use some high-quality anti-mine drones.
      Otherwise, the underwater drones will have purely auxiliary tasks and will not have a significant impact on strategy and tactics.
  18. -7
    30 October 2025 14: 28
    Too much pessimism. There are no fools at headquarters, which means they have plans to outmaneuver the enemy.
    1. +6
      30 October 2025 15: 48
      Quote: Vened
      Too much pessimism. There are no fools at headquarters, which means they have plans to outmaneuver the enemy.

      For example, kill the OVR and create "doves of peace"? wink
      Let me remind you that the current inability of the OVR in anti-submarine warfare is a consequence of the decision made by the "headquarters," voiced by Navy Commander-in-Chief Chirkov in 2014: do not design or order new anti-submarine ships for the OVR, but order patrol ships instead.
    2. +12
      30 October 2025 19: 31
      Quote: Vened
      There are no fools at headquarters, so there are plans.

      Of course. And the fourth year of the SVO was planned from the start, and sending the Moskva to sea without cover, not even by an AWACS aircraft, but even by naval Su-30s, and bringing the OVR security to a state where the land-based BEKs are only visually detected at the harbor entrance—it's all part of Putin's cunning plan. And thieves at the level of Shoigu's deputies—that's also part of the plan. A particularly cunning one. So, of course, the staff there are no fools.
      How was it with Carroll?

      "He gave the command a hundred times,
      Saved from danger,
      But he stubbornly remained silent,
      From what..."
      1. +1
        31 October 2025 10: 21
        hi
        Brother Tibak, sitting at the next table, heavy, crimson with stuffiness, searched the papers, wiped sweat from his bald head and read monotonously, rising:
        - "Number four hundred and eighty-five, Don Keu, Royal, twelve, for the defamation of the name of His Grace Bishop Don Reba of Arkanar, which took place at the palace ball the year before last, three dozen floggings on the exposed soft parts with the kissing of His Grace's boot are prescribed."
        Brother Tibac sat down.
        "Go down this corridor," the official said in a colorless voice, "the rod to the right, the boot to the left. Next..."
        © ABS wink
  19. -1
    30 October 2025 19: 47
    The author of the article didn't count the cruisers "Pyotr Velikiy," "Admiral Ustinov," the large anti-submarine ships "Vice-Admiral Kulakov," "Admiral Levchenko," and "Severomorsk," not to mention the flagship, the heavy aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov." The author's assumptions about our space group are purely speculative, but he attempts to draw broad conclusions based on these assumptions. Meanwhile, even if more powerful radiation is required, the energy consumption of the new devices will be much lower than before (not all electrical energy was used for radiation, after all).
    Both types of Liana spacecraft are put into a circular orbit at an altitude of 800–900 km above the Earth. There, their service life is limited only by fuel reserves and the reliability of on-board electronics and should be at least seven years. At this height, it is more difficult for the enemy to hit them with anti-satellite weapons.
    https://iz.ru/1133265/anton-lavrov/dotianulas-do-kosmosa-zavershaetsia-sozdanie-sistemy-razvedki-liana

    The author’s constructions about our air group as part of the Northern Fleet are even more hypothetical.
    1. +2
      30 October 2025 20: 43
      Quote: Andrey A
      The author of the article did not count the cruisers: "Peter the Great", "Admiral Ustinov", the large anti-submarine ships - "Vice-Admiral Kulakov", "Admiral Levchenko", "Severomorsk", not to mention the flagship, the heavy aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov".

      Welcome here
      https://topwar.ru/271892-krasnoznamennyj-severnyj-flot-o-perspektivah-nadvodnyh-korablej.html
      Read on to find out why these ships aren't counted.
      Quote: Andrey A
      The constructions about our space group are purely hypothetical in nature.

      In terms of numbers, the data is quite reliable, and the laws of physics cannot be fooled.
      Quote: Andrey A
      Meanwhile, even if more powerful radiation is required, the energy consumption of the new devices will be much less than before (not all the electricity was used for radiation).

      Yes, 5 percent could sometimes be spent on something else - the same connection
      Quote: Andrey A
      The author’s constructions about our air group as part of the Northern Fleet are even more hypothetical.

      You are here
      https://topwar.ru/272211-morskaja-aviacija-krasnoznamennogo-severnogo-flota-est-li-svet-v-konce-tonnelja.html
      If you want to object to something on the merits, of course
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      2. +1
        31 October 2025 09: 01
        Quote: Comrade
        Hello, deeply respected Andrey!
        The series is excellent, but what if you write a similar one about the Pacific Fleet?

        Indeed, Andrey. Take on the topic, but only for all fleets. You're up to the task, and it will be very interesting. How do you see the prospects and composition of the Baltic Fleet, the Black Sea Fleet, and the Caspian Flotilla? And finally, it would be good to know your preferences regarding the size and quality of the Navy. hi
      3. -1
        31 October 2025 17: 11
        Well, the author of the article you cited admits that both the Pyotr Velikiy and the Admiral Ustinov, as well as at least one destroyer and a large anti-submarine ship, could very well remain in service. The author's other conclusions are based on assumptions. It's surprising that the authors draw sweeping conclusions based on assumptions (their own assumptions):
        But if we put aside the joking tone, the situation of the surface forces of the Caspian Fleet can only be described as catastrophic.

        Regarding the prospects for decommissioning large anti-submarine ships: large anti-submarine ships were decommissioned in the 90s and early 2000s. The Admiral Kharlamov is a seeming exception, having been laid up since 2006. All of the Northern Fleet's large anti-submarine ships are fully operational and have undergone repairs, meaning they are not scheduled for decommissioning in the foreseeable future. Regarding speculation about the hypothetical performance of our satellites, it's obvious that if they were that poor, they (the satellites) would not have been launched.
        1. +1
          31 October 2025 19: 56
          Quote: Andrey A
          Well, and the author of the article you cited

          By the way, that's me. So is the author of this article. All three of us are the same person :)
          Quote: Andrey A
          admits that both Pyotr Velikiy and Admiral Ustinov, and at least one destroyer and a large anti-submarine ship, may well remain in service.

          The destroyer can't stay, you're inattentive. I left one large anti-submarine ship. Admiral Ustinov is already very old,
          Therefore, it should be expected that somewhere around 2030, or at the latest in the early 30s, the Marshal Ustinov will leave service with honor.

          And as for
          Quote: Andrey A
          Peter the Great,

          Then it has virtually no chance of being in service before 2040. It'll most likely be laid up, followed by scrapping, and if it undergoes modernization, it won't be out of service before 2040. But even if it does, so what? The Red Sea Fleet can't support the Admiral Nakhimov, and it won't be able to support the Nakhimov and Pyotr.
          Quote: Andrey A
          The author's remaining conclusions are based on assumptions.

          True. Both the 8 Yasen ships and, especially, the 8 Ladas are pure speculation. As are the 6 frigates and, especially, the corvettes and a dozen minesweepers. I'm simply optimistic.
          And one more thing... If you recall my series "The Russian Navy's Shipbuilding Program or a Very Bad Premonition," which I wrote in 2016, I was also accused of nihilism and defeatism. But in fact, it turns out that, in predicting the Navy's future, I was overly optimistic.
          Quote: Andrey A
          All of the Northern Fleet's large anti-submarine ships are fully operational and have undergone repairs, meaning they are not scheduled for decommissioning in the foreseeable future.

          They are between 36 and 44 years old today. Only Severomorsk has a remote chance of surviving until 2035, but that all depends on the thoroughness and quality of the renovations completed in 2025.
          Quote: Andrey A
          As for the assumptions about the hypothetical characteristics of our satellites, it is obvious that if they were so bad, then they (the satellites) would not have been launched.

          Why do you think they're bad? :)))) They're quite good at certain tasks. The Pion-NKS, for example, is excellent when you need to check/scan a certain area of ​​the Earth's surface within 24 hours—it'll fly over and scan. Just don't give it capabilities it doesn't have. The Liana MKRTS is a good reconnaissance system, and in certain situations it can provide target designation. But unfortunately, there aren't many situations in which it can do that.
          1. -2
            31 October 2025 20: 39
            All this is speculation, speculation, speculation. I repeat: the active large antisubmarine ships were not prepared for decommissioning—that's a fact. The question of the Marshal Ustinov's obsolescence is debatable. The Varyag is not being prepared for decommissioning. Optimism is debatable: our corvettes and frigates are built at a rate of several per year. Our liberals categorically refused to believe this, but it is a fact. A second large antisubmarine ship is already being modernized for the Pacific Fleet, and we should expect the modernization of at least one more large antisubmarine ship for the Northern Fleet. As for the satellites' capabilities, I'm not convinced by this guesswork.
            1. +2
              31 October 2025 21: 05
              Quote: Andrey A
              It's all speculation, speculation, speculation.

              You know, the fact that a brick dropped from the ninth floor will land on the head of a person below, standing in its trajectory, is also a hypothesis. Because the Universe doesn't rule out the possibility that, by some miracle, all the molecules that make up the brick will simultaneously begin to move upward, causing the brick to fly into the sky. True, the probability of such an event is approximately one in the entire existence of the Universe, but it does exist.
              It's about the same with the BPK
              Quote: Andrey A
              Let me repeat: the existing large anti-submarine ships were not prepared for decommissioning - this is a fact.

              It is also a fact that they will retire within the next 10 years.
              Quote: Andrey A
              The question of the obsolescence of "Marshal Ustinov" is controversial.

              Bet your money. In reality, the ship is 39 years old and will be approaching 10 in 10 years. Ships of 000 tons don't serve that long, especially considering that it completed its refit in 17. And considering that it didn't serve in the Black Sea.
              Quote: Andrey A
              The question of optimism is debatable: our corvettes and frigates are built at the rate of several per year.

              What?:))))))
              Quote: Andrey A
              Our liberals categorically refused to believe this, but it is a fact.

              Between 2018 and 2025, inclusive, that is, over an eight-year period, three Project 22350 frigates, four Project 20380 corvettes, and one Project 20385 corvettes entered service. That's eight ships. One per year.
              Surprisingly, the liberals turned out to be right.
              Quote: Andrey A
              As for the capabilities of satellites, fortune telling on coffee grounds does not convince me.

              Convincing a person who can't even count to 10 is not high on my list of life priorities.
  20. 0
    30 October 2025 19: 56
    My humble opinion on land is that we'll finish the SVO, and then gradually revive the navy, the main thing is to jail the thieves and effective managers.
    1. +3
      30 October 2025 23: 58
      Quote: dnestr74
      We'll gradually revive the fleet, the main thing is to jail the thieves and effective managers.

      Then, to begin with, we need to revive the OBKhSS, or better yet, the NKVD right away.
  21. +1
    30 October 2025 22: 22
    Of course, the above wasn't guaranteed—the US and NATO navies, preparing for a confrontation in northern waters, were numerous and capable. In some areas, the Americans enjoyed technical superiority, as evidenced by the Sea Wolf submarines.

    Let's remember Popov, who recently stated that an unidentified NATO submarine (American or British) was to blame for the sinking of the nuclear-powered missile cruiser Kursk, which no one who participated in the large gathering of the Red Sea Fleet in 2000 was able to locate, including the large anti-submarine ship 1155 and the heavy cruiser Pyotr Velikiy.
    1. +3
      31 October 2025 03: 18
      recently stated that an unidentified NATO submarine was to blame for the sinking of the nuclear-powered missile submarine Kursk

      I have no doubt in the capabilities of the US submarine force, but all this talk about how the vile NATO sank our submarine seems like an attempt to blame the entire mess in the armed forces that was happening at the time on "the terrible machinations of the enemy, which we were ordered to keep silent about." If only because why would they sink our submarines when we were willing to dispose of them ourselves for a small price?
  22. +1
    30 October 2025 23: 47
    A 1.25 ton reactor produces 2.4 kW?? So is it a reactor or an RTG?
    1. +1
      31 October 2025 20: 01
      Quote: stankow
      So, a reactor or an RTG?

      Officially, it was called the Buk nuclear power plant. The design details, alas, are unknown. ("I envy our descendants. They'll learn so many interesting things!" (c))
  23. +2
    30 October 2025 23: 57
    In previous articles, I presented a forecast for the composition of the multi-purpose submarine, surface and air forces of the Caspian Fleet for the period up to 2040.

    Hello, deeply respected Andrey!
    The series is excellent, but what if you write a similar one about the Pacific Fleet?
    1. +2
      31 October 2025 19: 58
      Hello, dear Valentine!
      Quote: Comrade
      What if you write something similar about the Pacific Fleet?

      Actually, why not?:))))) You can try.
      1. +2
        1 November 2025 00: 39
        Hello, dear Andrey!
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Actually, why not?:))))) You can try.

        Thank you, that would be absolutely wonderful.
        The topics are very relevant, and the material is presented in your signature style—simple, accessible, interesting, and engaging, with everything laid out clearly :-)
  24. 0
    31 October 2025 02: 55
    Author, you completely fail to grasp the importance of the current situation, while our fleet is on the rise – frigates are launched once every five years, landing ships... they're actually dropping anchor opposite NATO countries. Everything's fine – Khrushchev cut the fleet, artillery, aviation, this guy who's developing nuclear sausages in a country other than ours that will never dare use them – Fabergé, and everything else is in the wrong configuration. And that's not even the most important thing... Money, relatives who need to build a bright future somewhere else – this is the single, defining constant for the actions of the entire Russian political class, led by a man who holds the position of Supreme Commander. In the 90s, there were gang wars in Russia, when one gang responded to another. Now what we hear on TV is Russian troops striking in response to terrorist attacks in Kyiv... A typical style of gang warfare, when the actions of one gang are followed by a "response." This is the style of work of a man who holds the rank of Supreme Commander. He himself said that in those years, he slept with a rifle under his bed. No one forced him to say anything. Hmm, and as a result, the country and its troops are waging a strange military operation, reminiscent of... However, you decide for yourself what everything that's happening now resembles. My opinion is that the country must enter mobilization mode, mobilizing all its resources—industrial and human reserves—as during the Great Patriotic War! We won't win any other way. We must purge everyone who stands in the way of victory. But this guy doesn't seem to want to win...
    1. +2
      31 October 2025 10: 32
      Quote: Radikal
      Everything is fine - Khrushchev cut the fleet, artillery, and aviation.

      Khrushchev ensured the USSR's survival by ensuring the ability to inflict unacceptable damage on the enemy. And to achieve this, he cut down on those under construction and decommissioned those in service, relics designed for the previous war. These weapons were only fit for display at parades for generals and admirals, not for combat against modern adversaries.
      An artillery cruiser built in the late 50s, a redesigned pre-war design with air defenses comparable to those of mid-WWII, is an extremely valuable ship for a navy that will have to fend off jet aircraft. And the cast-iron bombers are indispensable in the face of the enemy's massive deployment of air defense systems (265 Nike-Ajax missiles deployed in the US alone as of 1960).
      And yes, the Project 61 large anti-submarine ship, the Project 58 missile cruiser, the MiG-21, the Soviet mass-produced missile-carrying aircraft - these are the NSH.
  25. VlK
    +1
    31 October 2025 11: 27
    Today, this function can be performed by the Container or Podsolnukh radar systems. The former is of strategic importance and can detect aircraft at a distance of up to 3000 km. The advantage of this station is that it would be extremely difficult to destroy in a non-nuclear conflict. due to the remoteness from the theater of military operations, even with pre-determined coordinates. And these, of course, are known to the enemy, since the radar is a stationary and easily identifiable structure.

    This means that we should obviously expect a sabotage attack on it during the threatening period, and perhaps not just one, or a combined one, as can be the case in a modern implementation - Operation Spiderweb recently demonstrated.
    Incidentally, the Vympel unit of the KGB of the USSR was once also designed to carry out exactly these kinds of operations, and they were prepared long, long in advance, before the hour of truth, in absolutely peaceful times.
  26. 0
    31 October 2025 19: 46
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Radikal
    Everything is fine - Khrushchev cut the fleet, artillery, and aviation.

    Khrushchev ensured the USSR's survival by ensuring the ability to inflict unacceptable damage on the enemy. And to achieve this, he cut down on those under construction and decommissioned those in service, relics designed for the previous war. These weapons were only fit for display at parades for generals and admirals, not for combat against modern adversaries.
    An artillery cruiser built in the late 50s, a redesigned pre-war design with air defenses comparable to those of mid-WWII, is an extremely valuable ship for a navy that will have to fend off jet aircraft. And the cast-iron bombers are indispensable in the face of the enemy's massive deployment of air defense systems (265 Nike-Ajax missiles deployed in the US alone as of 1960).
    And yes, the Project 61 large anti-submarine ship, the Project 58 missile cruiser, the MiG-21, the Soviet mass-produced missile-carrying aircraft - these are the NSH.

    Consider the damage Khrushchev inflicted throughout his tenure in various leadership positions. As for the missile field, his second son worked for Chelomey, so Nikita pushed the issue, clearing the way for his son, and he did so well that he's now harming us from the US. You probably don't know the consequences for our intelligence agencies after Khrushchev's visit to China; otherwise, there wouldn't be such laudatory odes to him here. soldier hi bully
  27. +1
    31 October 2025 23: 04
    I always appreciate the high-quality articles by the respected Andrey. I don't often write comments, but I still can't help but remember what I said under articles about the navy back in 16, that even then Andrey was writing optimistic fairy tales, saying that reality would be harsher, and that's what turned out to be the case, and this article will be
    Same here. An aspen tree doesn't produce oranges... It's a shame these words perfectly describe the state of shipbuilding in our beloved country. But, as always, we're hoping for the best!
    Thanks again, Andrey!
  28. 0
    5 November 2025 15: 48
    "I won't dissuade anyone from this, but I will remind you that the Russian Federation will never begin large-scale military operations
    actions against the United States first and on its own initiative. The reason is simple: such actions
    fraught with a nuclear missile Armageddon, in which Russia will cease to exist as a state and a nation."

    For some reason, the author only wrote a one-way ticket for Russia. Let me humbly remind you that the US is at risk of the same thing.
    The country is half the size of the Russian Federation in area, with a fairly high population density. Which means it will cease to be a country.
    And the US will have an even better chance of becoming a nation. There are places in Russia where you can walk for weeks and not see a single person.
    It is unlikely that nuclear weapons will be used in such places. This means that in the Russian Federation, even in the event of a nuclear Armageddon, it is quite
    They might have habitable sisters left. But in the US, it's unlikely. Considering the small number of nuclear warheads,
    But still, the Russian Federation has an advantage. There is also an advantage in the means of delivery of the aforementioned, according to our Supreme Commander
    95% of the Strategic Missile Forces and SSBNs have been rearmed with new nuclear warhead carriers.

    "The main problem with the Liana International Space Center, in my opinion, is that the orbital parameters of its satellites are well known.
    Considering that the altitude reach of the American SM-3 anti-satellite missile, even the early versions,
    is 500 km, it can be said that the Liana International Center for Reconnaissance and Control will cease to exist within the first day of the conflict.

    Yeah))) And the American satellite system for issuing targeting and reconnaissance will, of course, remain in good health))) Let me remind you that
    In 2021, a universal howl was heard from the United States about the fact that the Russian Federation removed its satellite from orbit 550 km
    The "Tselina" satellite. What weapon? - I invite the members of the "non-existent Nudoli" club to answer this question for themselves.
    The US has a more modest record—up to 380 km. And the first is China. I can't say for sure, but I remember they removed a satellite from an orbit 700-800 km high.
    So it is not a fact that the USA will win from such an exchange.
    Again, about the Liana. Yes, it was positioned as a system for issuing target designations to naval forces. But there are also the Kondors and Razdans.
    And you were a bit hasty in wrapping up Liana. Now, it seems like there are four Lotuses and two Peonies in her composition. That seems to be what was planned.
    Put 4 Pion satellites into operation. There's still plenty of time left until 2040. Considering that Russia launches satellites into orbit more or less regularly.
  29. 0
    8 November 2025 10: 11
    It will all come down to air superiority over the sea/ocean. And then anti-submarine aircraft will simply commit genocide against submarines, not to mention surface ships.
    The Rhino and Lightning 2 on an aircraft carrier give the US Navy a huge advantage.
    And alas, there's nothing we can do about it without our own AUG/KUG. The USSR could do it, but we couldn't. That's the whole story.
    Some people think the Chinese will help if needed. Yes, they will, they'll take over from Vladivostok to Khabarovsk.
    The situation today is very bleak. Andrey wrote a rather optimistic scenario.