How the Army and the Black Hundreds Saved the Empire

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How the Army and the Black Hundreds Saved the Empire
Street demonstration in 1905. Polish artist Władysław Skoczylas


Revolution


The Russian Time of Troubles of 1905–1907 was caused by both internal factors (the crisis of the Romanov project, the centuries-old contradictions that had been building up) and external ones. The Western masters and Japanese intelligence, with the help of a "fifth column" (various liberal democrats, socialists, and revolutionaries), attempted to overthrow the Russian Empire and devour it.



Formally, the First Russian Revolution began on January 9, 1905. This day became history Russia as "Bloody Sunday." On this day in St. Petersburg, the priest Gapon acted as a provocateur, leading to the shooting of a mass demonstration marching to the Winter Palace to present a petition to the Tsar about the needs of workers.

The shooting of a peaceful demonstration in St. Petersburg sparked outrage across the country. The Russian press, largely liberal and radical, unleashed an incredible wave of hatred against "bloody tsarism." However, the suppression of similar unrest in England or France, beloved by Russian Anglophiles and Gallo-philes, resulted in far more casualties, and the authorities acted far more brutally and mercilessly.

Mass strikes, demonstrations, and protest rallies were taking place in the cities. The revolutionary movement was gaining momentum, spreading to new districts and new segments of the population. Mutinies began in the imperial armed forces, including the mutiny on the battleship Potemkin (June 14, 1905). Workers' Deputies' Councils were being formed everywhere. The first Council was established in May 1905 in Ivanovo-Voznesensk.

The revolution reached its peak in October and December 1905. In October, an all-Russian political strike took place, spreading across 120 cities and involving over 2 million people. In December, a dangerous uprising erupted in Moscow, suppressed only by the energetic actions of General Min, commander of the Guards Semyonovsky Regiment.

Terrible events were unfolding in the countryside. There, in essence, a dreadful peasant war had already begun. As the Russian military historian A. Kersnovsky noted, "the autumn nights of 1905 were lit by the torches of burning landowners' estates and farmsteads all the way from the Baltic Sea to the Volga."

The situation was critical. People were being transported from abroad through practically open borders (especially through Finland). weaponThe revolutionaries were financed, in particular, by Japanese intelligence. Various nationalists and separatists rose to prominence—Polish, Finnish, Baltic, Caucasian, and others.

As usual, as in any period of unrest, the Caucasus erupted. The situation was particularly severe in Georgia and Armenia. Entire districts and provinces were terrorized by gangs. For several weeks, from late 1905 to early 1906, a full-blown war raged there. The 33rd Infantry Division was hastily transferred from Kyiv to assist the divisions of the Caucasus Military District. The border district of Kiev had to be stripped bare to pacify the Caucasus.


Spring 1905. Polish artist Stanislav Maslowski

The army and the Black Hundreds save the empire


The empire was saved by three “bonds”: the tsarist power, the army, and the “deep people” (nicknamed the “Black Hundreds”).

The presence of the Guard, an army of career officers and non-commissioned officers, Cossacks, and police, who, en masse, did not succumb to revolutionary agitation and madness, saved the Russian Empire. The state still had decisive and strong-willed generals and commanders, ready to stop a major revolution with minimal bloodshed.

The Guard will endure the boiling cauldron of St. Petersburg in 1905. Loyal units pacified the dangerous mutiny of the garrison of the Kronstadt fortress and the sailors of the Baltic fleet October 26-27 (November 8-9), 1905.

As the historian Kersnovsky wrote:

And everywhere, the imperial troops, loyal to their duty, stood in the way of anarchy and the nascent collapse. The Latvian revolts of the Baltic region, the Lodz riots, the Sveaborg uprising, and the Black Sea atrocities were cruel blows to Russia's weakened organism, but this organism was still, fortunately, protected by steel chain mail.

The commander of the Odessa Military District, General Alexander Kaulbars (researcher of Turkestan, scientist-geographer, one of the “fathers” of the Russian military aviation) pacified the south of Russia; the commander of the Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Grigory Chukhnin, held the fleet, suppressed the Sevastopol uprising, and paid for it with his life (he was killed by a militant on June 28, 1906). In Moscow, the December uprising was suppressed by General Georgy Min (killed in August 1906 by the Socialist Revolutionary terrorist Konoplyannikova). In Siberia, the unrest (mutinies of spare parts, railway strikes, manifestations of separatism) was suppressed by the generals Alexander Meller-Zakomelsky (who later suppressed the revolutionary movement in the Baltics) and Pavel Rennenkampf, who were moving towards each other.

Unfortunately, during the World War, the tsarist authorities would bury the guard and the regular army in the swamps and forests of East Prussia, Poland, Galicia, and the Carpathians, and there would be no one left to save the autocracy and the empire in February–March 1917.

A significant portion of the urban population also sided with the authorities—the "black people," merchants, artisans, part of the working class, plus peasants and lower-ranking clergy. The revolutionary press dubbed them "Black Hundreds" pogromists, and later, practically the forerunners of the fascists.

The Black Hundreds movement did not represent a unified whole and included various associations, such as the "Russian Monarchist Party," the "Black Hundreds," the "Union of the Russian People," the "Union of Michael the Archangel," and others. The social basis of these organizations consisted of the most diverse elements: from the lower classes to representatives of the big bourgeoisie, landowners, and the conservative intelligentsia.

In essence, this was "deep Russia," standing up against anarchy and unrest. Its ideology was "Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality."

Again, the authorities viewed popular support with skepticism or mistrust, fearing the mass appeal of the "Union of the Russian People." Therefore, by 1917, the popular forces prepared to support the throne were disintegrated, denigrated, and unable to resist a new revolution.

Overall, the government failed to learn the lessons of 1905. The only attempt to save the empire through reforms "from above" was made by Pyotr Stolypin. He also kept Russia out of war with Germany, understanding that France and England would reap all the benefits. But no one supported him—neither the tsar, nor high society, nor the State Duma, nor the right, nor the liberals. Ultimately, he was simply assassinated in 1911, so as not to interfere with the preparations for Russia's collapse.


A demonstration of the Black Hundreds in Odessa shortly after the announcement of the Manifesto of October 17, 1905. Photograph from the Illustrated London News

Manifesto


To stem the revolutionary tide, Emperor Nicholas II, at the suggestion of the head of government, Sergei Witte, made concessions. On October 30 (October 17, Old Style), Nicholas II's manifesto "On the Improvement of State Order" was published. It declared the granting of political freedoms to Russian citizens, personal immunity, and an expansion of the electoral qualifications for elections to the State Duma.

Formally, such a step meant the transformation of the autocracy into a constitutional monarchy (The October Manifesto and its significance). The Manifesto created legal conditions for the formation of political parties. By 1906, there were already more than 50 parties in the country.

The manifesto generated great enthusiasm among the educated classes. However, it also provoked a wave of criticism from both the right and the left. Some believed that the revolution could not be abandoned, while others believed that this was not enough.

Witte himself was struck by the wave of criticism and disappointed. Diplomat Alexander Izvolsky recalled Witte's words:

The October 17 Manifesto averted immediate catastrophe, but it did not provide a radical cure for the current situation, which remains threatening. All I can hope for is that the situation will remain undisturbed until the opening of the Duma, but even this hope cannot be fully realized. A new revolutionary explosion always seems possible.

The State Duma could not represent the country. It was composed primarily of ideologists, chatterbox orators, mostly from the intelligentsia and lawyers, who claimed to represent tens of millions of peasants and city dwellers. The First Duma, convened in the spring of 1906, was so revolutionary and anti-state that it had to be hastily disbanded. Its members demanded that recruits not be sent to the army, taxes not be paid, and government orders not be followed—in other words, they were calling for civil war and continued unrest.

The second Duma of 1907 also turned out to be just as anti-state and anti-Russian. Only in 1908, when Stolypin’s government managed to suppress the revolutionary wave, was it possible to assemble a relatively sane and efficient Duma.


St. Petersburg City Administration Bulletin. October 18 (31), 1905

Appendix. S. Yu. Witte. Memories, memoirs. In 3 volumes., 1994.


On October 17, a manifesto was issued "on improving the state order." This manifesto, which, whatever its fate, will mark an era in Russian history, proclaimed the following:

The turmoil and unrest in the capitals and in many parts of our empire fill Our hearts with great and grievous sorrow. The welfare of the Russian Sovereign is inseparable from the welfare of the people, and the people's sorrow is His sorrow. The unrest that has now arisen could lead to profound national unrest and a threat to the integrity and unity of the All-Russian State. The great vow of royal service compels Us to strive with all the powers of reason and authority to quickly end this unrest, so dangerous to the state. Having ordered the appropriate authorities to take measures to eliminate direct manifestations of disorder, outrage, and violence, and to protect peaceful people striving to peacefully fulfill their duties, We, for the most successful implementation of the general measures We have designated for the pacification of state life, have recognized the necessity of uniting the activities of the supreme government.

We entrust the government with the duty of fulfilling Our unwavering will:

1) Grant the population the unshakable foundations of civil liberty on the basis of genuine inviolability of the person, freedom of conscience, speech, assembly and association.

2) Without stopping the scheduled elections to the State Duma, to attract now to participation in the Duma, to the extent possible, corresponding to the short period remaining before the convocation of the Duma, those classes of the population that are now completely deprived of electoral rights, thereby leaving the further development of the principle of general electoral rights to the newly established legislative order (i.e., in accordance with the law of August 6, 1905, the Duma and the State Council).

3) To establish, as an immutable rule, that no law could come into force without the approval of the State Duma, and that those elected by the people would be guaranteed the opportunity to effectively participate in overseeing the legality of the actions of the authorities appointed by Us.

We call upon all faithful sons of Russia to remember their duty to their homeland, to help end the unprecedented turmoil and, together with Us, to exert all their efforts to restore peace and quiet in their native land.


Count (from 1905) Sergei Yulyevich Witte (1849–1915). Minister of Railways (in 1892), Minister of Finance (in 1892–1903), Chairman of the Committee of Ministers (in 1903–1906), Chairman of the Council of Ministers (in 1905–1906)
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  1. 41+
    30 October 2025 03: 47
    I don't even know how to comment on this obscurantism...
    Dear editors, please restore the ability to leave downvotes on articles. I haven't seen such a blatantly low level of "historical analysis" in a long time...
    Did Malofeev and Korchevnikov order this article from Samsonov? Or did Olgovich hack his account?
    1. -12
      30 October 2025 04: 12
      Quote: Bogalex
      I even I don't know how to comment This is obscurantism...

      Are there no arguments other than the overwhelming emotions? If you can't comment, don't comment.
      1. +3
        30 October 2025 14: 23
        Ah, I remember my youth, when in Soviet school I was asked to write a report on the Narodnaya Volya movement. I immersed myself in the topic and, to put it mildly, was astonished. These shady, non-Russian butchers were all engaged in open terrorism against the state, killing people. It was impossible to interpret it any other way. And a very respectable part of society even applauded them. With society so degraded, a bloody coup was inevitable.
        1. +1
          2 November 2025 19: 54
          A very accurate definition of the Narodnaya Volya members!
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          0
          8 November 2025 15: 52
          So, my dear, you're talking nonsense. The overwhelming majority of the Narodnaya Volya members are Russian, rarely with Serbian, Swedish, or German ancestry. Their class composition is made up of nobles, peasants, and, to a lesser extent, petty bourgeoisie. Moreover, the nobles who fathered the Narodnaya Volya members were the serving, not the landed, nobility. These were the people who understood the structure of the Russian Empire VERY well.
      2. +2
        15 December 2025 12: 17
        Quote: Stas157
        ...Are there no arguments other than the emotions that have overwhelmed you?


        A common grimace among the newcomers and the last of the unfinished (comrade Dzhugashvili)
        Trotskyists - to label them as "Black Hundreds" and "anti-Semites".
        What these eccentrics have no idea is that the "Black Hundreds," named after the Nizhny Novgorod trade and craft community, supported the militia of Minin and Pozharsky - they were the only mass popular social movement in the history of Russia.
        But Soviet propaganda, through the efforts of the surviving Trotskyists, portrayed them as scum engaged exclusively in Jewish pogroms.
    2. 15+
      30 October 2025 09: 33
      I don't even know how to comment on this obscurantism...

      This is how they brainwash you, with such obscurantism. Obscurantism is marching across the post-Soviet space with wide strides.
      1. +8
        30 October 2025 14: 37
        Quote: parusnik
        I don't even know how to comment on this obscurantism...

        This is how they brainwash you, with such obscurantism. Obscurantism is marching across the post-Soviet space with wide strides.

        Konchalovsky's new creation, "Chronicles of the Russian Revolution," financed by Usmanov. Some comics, aimed specifically at the younger generation. Here's an example of obscurantism.
        1. +1
          30 October 2025 21: 28
          Are Samsonov's articles simply "Funny Pictures"? laughing
    3. 22+
      30 October 2025 10: 59
      How convenient it is to blame everything on foreign enemies and the "fifth column." And what's happened and is happening in the country, within it, the mistakes and outright crimes of the authorities, don't count? It's easier to pull the wool over the eyes; the electorate will understand.
    4. 0
      30 October 2025 11: 09
      Comrade, take this opus philosophically. Everyone who can write is writing these days. Returning to the article itself, the Potemkin evacuation brigade's mutiny had nothing to do with the revolution; it occurred for purely prosaic reasons. It was only after 1917 that it was attributed to the first Russian revolution, just like Gangut in 1915.
      1. 11+
        30 October 2025 13: 08
        Quote: TermNachTER
        Comrade, take this opus philosophically)) now everyone who can write is writing))) returning to the article itself - the revolt of the "Potemkin" EBR had nothing to do with the revolution, it happened for purely prosaic reasons.


        A simple question: was the red flag raised on the Potemkin by the mutinous sailors or not?
        You know, revolutions often begin with "prosaic reasons": bread lines, empty pot marches, and so on. A very powerful explosion can be caused by a single burning match, if there's something to explode.
        1. +2
          30 October 2025 13: 27
          Well, they had to raise some kind of flag, especially since one is included in the set of flags of the International Maritime Code. Well, they could have raised a black one, with a skull and crossbones, but it had to be drawn.
          1. +4
            30 October 2025 13: 42
            especially since one is included in the set of flags of the international maritime code.
            "I am loading or unloading, or have on board, dangerous goods."
        2. 0
          30 October 2025 13: 35
          Quote: Illanatol
          A simple question: was the red flag raised on the Potemkin by the mutinous sailors or not?

          Hmm, the red flag was raised by a lot of people all over the world during color and other revolutions - and in most cases they had nothing to do with socialism or the people.
          For example, here is the fist of "Rot Front" and what they did with it
        3. +3
          30 October 2025 15: 12
          Quote: Illanatol
          A simple question: was the red flag raised on the Potemkin by the mutinous sailors or not?

          Events in France escalated into an armed, evolutionary confrontation when, in response to the march of French women in Vessalloa demanding cheap bread, the nuns admitted their inability not only to fulfill the aspirations of their people but even to sympathize. It's surprising that Russia didn't experience a revolution when Medvedev said the people had no money but had to spend it, while Chubais, a wealthy government official at the time, declared that he had as much money as I did and was struggling with how to use it.
          1. +1
            31 October 2025 08: 59
            Quote: gsev
            It's surprising that there was no revolution in Russia when Medvedev said that the government has no money, but it must spend

            The people have had their fill of revolutions. I think they've come to understand that they (the people) have the most to lose from a revolution.
            1. +2
              31 October 2025 09: 45
              What do the people have to do with this? Any revolution needs organizers and funding. If there's no money, there won't be a revolution. The Americans openly said they invested $5 billion in the Maidan, but I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg...
              1. 0
                31 October 2025 11: 52
                Quote: faiver
                What do the people have to do with this? Any revolution needs organizers and funding. If there's no money, there won't be a revolution. The Americans openly said they invested $5 billion in the Maidan, but I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg...

                Here you are absolutely right.
              2. +4
                31 October 2025 23: 05
                Both in Ukraine and Russia, the financing was largely provided by their own wealthy. The Morozovs and Kolomoisky, for example, were later devoured by the revolutionaries they sponsored once they seized power. As for the Ukrainian oligarchs, the Americans definitely forced them to help the Maidan, otherwise they would have taken everything from them—the money was there, after all.
                Navalny's supporters were also sponsored by our oligarchs; they're all Alfa Bank. And Echo of Moscow—Gazprom. Did the Americans force them to do this? I think so, but I can't prove it. request
                1. +2
                  1 November 2025 05: 37
                  You are absolutely right, internal funding, under external pressure and without it, on one's own initiative, was also present.... hi
              3. +1
                13 March 2026 10: 16
                5 лярдов - это то, что Нуланд озвучила официально. Сколько было вкинуто реально - думаю никогда не узнаем.
      2. 0
        13 March 2026 02: 11
        Если бы не было революции, то не было бы "Потемкина". Такие вещи всегда происходят на фоне.
    5. +9
      30 October 2025 11: 10
      Have we forgotten about anti-state terrorism? That among the intelligentsia, assassinating government officials was considered good form? Let's recall the public's enthusiasm for the acquittal of the terrorist who shot St. Petersburg Governor Trepov. The "Zasulich case," if you will.
      The main problem of our intelligentsia is that it "sees no boundaries" and doesn't even consider itself part of the people. Stalin purged these "children of the Arbat" before the war. Looking at current events, it's not certain that we would have won in 1945 if not for the terror of the 30s.
      The "Heroes of Upper Lars" chose to flee the country. But imagine if they had taken a more active stance domestically, with a course for defeat?
      1. +1
        30 October 2025 13: 29
        Well, "35th and others" appeared when Stalin began to "cleanse" the top brass; as long as it didn't affect them, there were no repressions)))
      2. +6
        30 October 2025 14: 00
        Let us recall with what delight society greeted the acquittal of the terrorist who shot at St. Petersburg Governor Trepov.

        It would be better not to mention Trepov. Otherwise, it might be awkward to leave.
        1. 0
          2 November 2025 20: 01
          What's wrong with Trepov? Because he ordered the bastard imprisoned for attempting to destroy the Russian Empire to be put in his place.
          1. 0
            6 November 2025 11: 06
            What don't you like about Trepov?

            How can such a judgment be drawn from my message?
            Trepov is indifferent to me.
            Well, if we're talking about why things might "come out awkwardly," citing Trepov as an example, the answer is obvious - Trepov's example is a clear demonstration of the roots of social tension in the empire.
      3. 12+
        30 October 2025 14: 12
        Quote: Not the fighter
        About the fact that among the intelligentsia it was considered good form to kill government officials?
        We tearfully commemorate the executed Nicholas II, but no one remembers Paul I, brutally murdered by conspirators from the nobility, from among those who swore allegiance to him; the Church also somehow did not canonize him, its "anointed of God," among the holy martyrs.
        1. +2
          30 October 2025 14: 39
          So what, so many British ears sticking out there, but Napoleon and Paul could have turned the whole of Europe inside out, but it didn't happen...
        2. +3
          30 October 2025 15: 15
          Quote: Per se.
          but no one remembers Paul I, brutally murdered by conspirators from the nobility,

          By the way, the time of the noble revolutions in Russia, when Tsars Peter III and Paul I were killed, is considered in world history to be the "century of Russia", when its army did not suffer defeats in wars and general battles.
      4. +4
        31 October 2025 10: 19
        Quote: Not the fighter
        The main problem of our intelligentsia is that it “does not see the shores” and does not consider itself part of the people at all.

        Russia is a very unique country where nurses are poorer than police and FSB captains. In the US, Denmark, and Afghanistan, it's the opposite. In the USSR since 1970 and in post-Soviet Russia, the technical intelligentsia typically belongs to the disadvantaged strata of society. So why shouldn't they try to change the government? Resistance can be both active and passive, such as the desire to send their children to live abroad. Five years ago, I met a man skilled in the intricacies of material science. The monthly salary of a carrier of information pursued by Chinese intelligence was only 30,000 rubles. Now, Russian business has driven all low-cost engineers into poverty, forcing them to change their professions. Now they are simply trying to buy cheap mass-produced products from China without the technical support for Chinese-made ones. As soon as it becomes necessary to slightly modernize Chinese equipment in accordance with the course of scientific and technological progress, it becomes clear that without our own engineering base, it is impossible even to properly use Chinese equipment.
        1. +1
          2 November 2025 20: 05
          You should first look at the financial situation of the Russian intelligentsia in the 19th century, otherwise your explanations for funding it for power are laughable. The 19th-century intelligentsia's motives were, rather, the opposite: "out of poverty."
          1. 0
            10 March 2026 13: 14
            Well, they had a tsar over them, but they wanted a "free gentry." Pride... the same thing they used in Ukraine.
          2. 0
            13 March 2026 02: 15
            Там была другая проблема. Скажем так, работники умственного труда (интеллигент - это бездельник или хуже) делали дело. Видели, что значат лни. Но все места в стране были заняты. Князьями и тп. Полная беспробудность как-то влиять на общую ситуацию. И так считали даже генералв ГШ.
            Меняться верхушка не хотела. А потомки Потемкиных, Орловых и тп. выродились.
      5. +1
        31 October 2025 12: 01
        Have you ever looked into the circumstances of the assassination attempt on Trepov? And you probably don't know that the jury acquitted Zasulich.
        1. -1
          2 November 2025 20: 07
          Demonstration that only private crimes, not crimes against the State, could be tried by jury.
          1. +2
            4 November 2025 12: 42
            A demonstration of the taxpayer's attitude toward the state. And yes, we had to tighten the screws quickly and remove the jury, otherwise it would have been awkward.
        2. 0
          10 March 2026 22: 42
          Zasulich is a suspicious surname.
    6. -10
      30 October 2025 11: 16
      Quote: Bogalex
      I don't even know how to comment on this obscurantism...

      Excellent article. It's just that many people still have the Soviet school mentality stuck in their heads.
      The article should also include information about the role of Sverdlov and his compatriots.
      1. +3
        30 October 2025 11: 38
        Yes, the USSR's enemies are only real when they have no incentive to lie or be hypocritical. And beyond your deceitful anti-Soviet rhetoric to justify your takeover of the USSR, you have proven that you are FOR political repression and political executions/murders both in the Russian Empire and on the territory of the USSR you captured.
        1. +1
          10 March 2026 22: 50
          The USSR was a country of migrants. We remember Dushanbe in 90. Do you want this everywhere? No way. Just a Russian world with a unified Russian culture, disregarding all foreign traditions. It's uncomfortable. Slaughtering sheep under your window, burqas, niqabs, etc.... no way.
          We are enemies of the USSR.
          1. +1
            13 March 2026 02: 19
            Дык, развитие угнетенных народов должно идти за счет народа-угнетателя. Это Ленин, если что.
            Т. е. мой прадед сбежавший от голодухи их Тамбовской губерни в Сибирь при Столыпине - угнетатель. Узбеков, таджликов, киргизов и пр. поляков.
      2. +5
        30 October 2025 12: 18
        Quote: tihonmarine
        The article should also include information about the role of Sverdlov and his compatriots.

        It is very unclear why there are practically no articles about their role, although their role, starting with the war of 1904 and the revolution of 1905, has been leading.
        1. +1
          30 October 2025 13: 38
          Quote: carpenter
          Quote: tihonmarine
          The article should also include information about the role of Sverdlov and his compatriots.

          It is very unclear why there are practically no articles about their role, although their role, starting with the war of 1904 and the revolution of 1905, has been leading.

          Apparently they destroyed everything completely - it was all too clear.
          The Bolsheviks were not fools and understood that if they lost to tsarism, they would be completely destroyed.
      3. +3
        30 October 2025 15: 21
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Excellent article. It's just that many people still have the Soviet school mentality stuck in their heads.

        Stalin's history textbooks addressed this topic more clearly and fully. The Black Hundreds were destroyed by the royal family and the palace clique when, in response to their attempt to defend the rights of Russian workers at a French enterprise, the factory owners threatened the tsar and his entourage with economic sanctions in the form of restricted access to credit, and Nicholas II unleashed the police and gendarmes against the Black Hundreds. After this, the grassroots members of the Black Hundreds movement realized that the tsar was a more intransigent ruler than the revolutionaries.
      4. -9
        31 October 2025 10: 26
        Quote: tihonmarine
        about the role of Sverdlov and his compatriots.

        Under the Tsar, Jews were somewhat persecuted. After 1917, until approximately the execution of the Jewish Anti-Semitism Committee (JAC) leaders and the "Doctors' Plot," there was no anti-Semitism in the USSR. It was during this time that aircraft engine production, civil aviation with its own aircraft, bearing production, chemicals, automobiles, and tractor manufacturing emerged in the USSR. With the emigration of Sverdlov's Jewish compatriots to Europe and Israel, the production of civilian aircraft, automobiles, machine tools, and bearings gradually declined.
        1. +3
          31 October 2025 10: 55
          With the relocation of Sverdlov's Jewish compatriots to Europe and Israel, the production of civilian aircraft, automobiles, machine tools, and bearings gradually declined.
          - laughing
    7. +4
      30 October 2025 15: 20
      Well, for example, Bonch-Bruevich also spoke about January 9 as a pre-provocative demonstration
    8. 11+
      30 October 2025 15: 28
      It's not even clear what time this article was written... I have a strong impression that Purishkevich wrote it...

      The author has very cleverly traveled around the horrors of pogroms, including some that were completely brutal, and not only against Jews (although for this alone the Black Hundreds should and must be condemned)...

      And in general, I went over all the nonsense and murder that these "defenders of the monarchy" were carrying out... well done, very scientific...

      After this, I no longer want to read the author on other issues.
      1. 10+
        30 October 2025 15: 37
        After this, I no longer want to read the author on other issues.
        You haven't seen his articles about the Hyperborean Russoarians yet.
        1. +4
          30 October 2025 15: 42
          You're right: I stopped reading after the first two lines...
          I was hoping I could handle it, even though I try not to read complete nonsense, but then I rashly decided to give it a try... it didn't work out...
          1. +2
            30 October 2025 15: 54
            Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
            You're right: I stopped reading after the first two lines...

            Similarly.
      2. -1
        31 October 2025 10: 34
        Quote: Vasily_Ostrovsky
        The author very quickly traveled around the horror of pogroms, including completely brutal ones, and not only against Jews.

        There are very few historical works on the methods landowners used to subdue the peasants. Landowners employed gangs of hired thugs, often from the Caucasus, to beat and kill peasants or commoners who were attempting to organize popular protests for social justice. The author writes about riots in the Caucasus. It was their brutal suppression that provoked the departure of Caucasian guards from the service of Russian landowners. It's rather unpleasant to kill people with the money of a man whose son flogged and hanged your relatives in Georgia. The success of the Makhnovist movement was largely due to the fact that the highlanders serving the Ukrainian landowners agreed to leave their service en masse.
        1. 0
          31 October 2025 11: 00
          The contradiction lies in the very formulation of the question. "Method of subjugation"—the very combination of these words allows for no interpretation other than harsh, violent subjugation... I encountered such works in pre-revolutionary literature; unfortunately, I'm unable to provide a list—I haven't made a special selection. The bulk of these publications can be found in the Public Library; some have also been found in Ukrainian and Tambov archives.

          A study of materials on Makhno and his other associates did not leave the impression that the Caucasian element was in any way significant either before or after the revolution.

          And the very presence of Caucasian "guards" in Ukrainian estates during the period 1904-1907 and later has not yet emerged as a significant phenomenon; in any case, I have not encountered any.

          There may have been isolated cases, especially in Crimea, but I have not read about any mass phenomena.
  2. +4
    30 October 2025 04: 31
    The October Manifesto is a good example of how one should not make political concessions under pressure, especially when one still has the strength to support one. Nicholas II continued to prove himself a spineless leader, thinking more about his family than his country. Ultimately, he lost both.
  3. +8
    30 October 2025 04: 54
    Whether by accident or design, many somehow forget 1904, when Russia suffered defeat in the Russo-Japanese War. Hopes for victory were high. Then came disappointment, which turned into discontent. The Black Hundreds were primarily directed against Jews, and against those who defended them. All of this is metaphysical. In 1914, the Heavenly Hundred was assembled, which yielded absolutely nothing.
  4. 15+
    30 October 2025 05: 07
    Quote: Glock-17
    The October Manifesto is a good example of how one should not make political concessions under pressure, especially when one still has the strength to support one. Nicholas II continued to prove himself a spineless leader, thinking more about his family than his country. Ultimately, he lost both.



    Alexandra Feodorovna's commitment to resolving complex social issues with whips, ramrods, and bullets—for the last emperor was prepared to shoot and flog the bulk of the population at the first opportunity, except when it came to counts and princes—resulted in her husband being deliberately "wound up"—and led to exactly what happened to him and his family. It turned out that a Russian peasant was no less skilled with a whip than a nobleman, hitting hard and very painfully. One could even accidentally die from a fatal dose of lead in the body.

    I feel a little sorry for the children of the last emperor. They committed no particular sins against society—except, perhaps, their parasitic lifestyle. The children suffered because they were born into the wrong family.

    Bonus: the achievements of the Russian Empire during the reign of Nicholas II

    1896, May 18 - During his coronation on Khodynka Field, more than 5000 people died in a stampede that arose due to the criminal mismanagement of tsarist officials;
    1901, May 7 - Execution of Obukhov workers;
    1902, November - Execution of Rostov workers: killed - 6, wounded - 20;
    1903, March 11 - Execution of workers at the Zlatoust arms factory: 60 killed, 200 injured;
    1903, July 14 - Execution of striking railway workers: 10 killed, 18 wounded;
    1903, July 23 - Shooting of a demonstration in Kyiv: killed - 4, wounded - 27;
    1903, August 7 - Execution of workers in Yekaterinburg: killed - 16, wounded - 48;
    1904, December 13 - Execution of workers in Baku: killed - 5, wounded - 40;
    1905, January 9 - Bloody Sunday in St. Petersburg, shooting of a peaceful workers' march: 1200 killed, more than 5000 wounded;
    1905, January 12 - Shooting of a workers' demonstration in Riga: 127 killed, over 200 wounded;
    1905, June 18 - Shooting of a demonstration in Lodz: killed - 10, wounded - 40;
    1905, September 5 - The shameful Portsmouth Peace with Japan: Russia's losses in the war are 400,000 people;
    1905, November 15 - The cruiser Ochakov and other mutinous ships of the Black Sea Fleet were shot down. Thousands of Sevastopol sailors died;
    1906, July 4 - 28 participants in the sailors' rebellion in Sveaborg were sentenced to death;
    1907, June 3 - The "holy" tsar disperses the Duma. By this time, a total of 14 people had been hanged or shot;
    1911 - "Tsar Famine", which took the lives of 300 thousand people;
    1912, April 4 - Execution of striking workers at the Lena goldfields: 254 people killed;
    1914, June 3 - Shooting of a meeting of Putilov workers in St. Petersburg;
    1915, August 10 - Shooting of a demonstration in Ivanovo-Voznesensk: 30 killed, 53 wounded;
    1914 – The beginning of the imperialist war. During the war, 856,000 Russian soldiers were killed, 2,8 million were wounded, and 3,4 million soldiers and officers were captured.
    1. 16+
      30 October 2025 05: 17
      I wonder what the head of the transport department (Olgovich) will say about this?
      Will there be more writing about the Great Terror?
      1. +3
        30 October 2025 05: 53
        I am not Olgovich, and I was never a supporter of Nicholas II, but the figures given above do not correspond with either official or historical research; they are most likely taken from propaganda denouncing autocracy... hi
        1. 0
          30 October 2025 08: 20
          Quote: faiver
          The above do not contradict either official or historical research, but rather are taken from propaganda denouncing autocracy...

          hi
          At the demonstration of January 9, 1905 (Bloody Sunday), according to the best modern estimates, about 150-200 people were killed.

          The total number of people killed as a result of the violent suppression of mass protests during the reign of Nicholas II (mainly in 1905-1907) is several thousand people, but there is no single exact figure.

          The deadliest famine of this period occurred in 1891–92, killing, according to the best current estimates, between 375,000 and 500,000 people.

          The total number of victims of all the famine years (1901-1902, 1905-1906, 1911-1912) is estimated at several hundred thousand people.
          1. +6
            30 October 2025 08: 30
            At the demonstration of January 9, 1905 (Bloody Sunday), according to the best modern estimates, about 150-200 people were killed.
            How many times did comrade kebeskin exaggerate the data you provided? 8-6 times.
            1. 0
              30 October 2025 08: 39
              Quote: faiver
              How many times did comrade kebeskin exaggerate the data you provided? 8-6 times.

              It's quite possible his data includes the wounded; with the medical system we have today, they're practically all dead. And 5000 wounded out of the total number of dead
              1. +1
                30 October 2025 08: 50
                Don't you find it funny? ................
              2. +1
                30 October 2025 11: 12
                Even with that level of medicine, everyone except the most severe cases would have been cured.
        2. +3
          30 October 2025 15: 34
          Quote: faiver
          but the figures given above do not match the official ones

          Was there no Bloody Sunday, when troops decimated a Black Hundreds demonstration gathered to demonstrate the workers' loyalty to the Tsar's land? No execution of sailors and the mockery of the executed, with a ceremonial march of troops past their burial site? No Lena Massacre of workers who were robbed blind and not allowed to resign or receive their wages? So, after the First Chechen and Second Chechen Wars, the victorious Russian special forces had problems receiving their well-deserved payments. To avoid being robbed after surrendering their weapons, special forces sometimes made their way to Moscow and Mordovia through mountainous Chechnya and Georgia, bypassing terrorist gangs in the mountains and border patrols on the Russian and Georgian sides without weapons. Incidentally, a campaign to evict veterans of the Second Chechen War from former dormitories and onto the streets is in full swing in Moscow. By the new year, they should move on to evicting officers and FSB officers if the stunt with the Rosgvardia privates and sergeants goes well. Then, in 20 years, will the Samsonovs and Simonyans be claiming it was the work of British intelligence that forced the construction mafia to finance the RDC?
          1. +1
            30 October 2025 15: 52
            Is your last name Rezun by any chance?
    2. +4
      30 October 2025 05: 31
      In Nazi Germany, the people fought to the last and never rebelled against the NSDAP. Any opposition there was nipped in the bud with lead and whips. In Ukraine today, there's not the slightest precondition for internal unrest. All this is possible with adequate funding, a powerful police apparatus, and ideological indoctrination. It turns out that you can't be a bit of a democrat and a bit of a dictator, especially in wartime.
      1. +6
        30 October 2025 10: 03
        Quote: Glock-17
        In Nazi Germany, the people fought to the last and did not rise up against the NSDAP. Any opposition was nipped in the bud with lead and whips.

        The Third Reich had not only the stick but also the carrot. More precisely, the promise of the carrot in the form of the rebirth of the German nation after knife in the back, the humiliation of Versailles and the eternal crisis of the Weimar Republic.
        And where the nation couldn't be persuaded to rally around the leader, even repression was of no avail. The first fascist dictatorship eventually descended into a mass anti-fascist partisan movement.
        Una mattina mi sono alzato,
        O bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao!
        Una mattina mi sono alzato
        E ho trovato l'invasor.
        1. 0
          11 March 2026 00: 00
          The average German citizen supported the Nazis quite well, even without any repression. Although there were some. As for Italy, let's just say... Mussolini and his lackeys had become tiresome. Until Mussolini committed the stupidity of allowing Italy to be dragged into the war on the Nazi side, the Italian people were quite supportive. But once they began to suffer against the backdrop of the affluent fascist elite, the people turned their backs on the Duce. And of course, external influence (British and American intelligence) was also a factor.
    3. 0
      30 October 2025 07: 26
      Quote: kebeskin
      I feel a little sorry for the children of the last emperor.

      Ah, you are compassionate, although only a little.
      As for the article, it is a very competent analysis of the events of those turbulent years.
      1. +4
        30 October 2025 07: 50
        But Vladimir Ilyich called for complete ruthlessness towards class enemies, because a revolution cannot be made with gloves on. laughing
    4. -3
      30 October 2025 08: 22
      Quote: kebeskin
      Alexandra Feodorovna's commitment to resolving complex social issues with whips, ramrods, and bullets—for the last emperor was prepared to shoot and flog the bulk of the population at the first opportunity, except when it came to counts and princes—resulted in her husband being deliberately "wound up"—and led to exactly what happened to him and his family. It turned out that a Russian peasant was no less skilled with a whip than a nobleman, hitting hard and very painfully. One could even accidentally die from a fatal dose of lead in the body.

      I feel a little sorry for the children of the last emperor. They committed no particular sins against society—except, perhaps, their parasitic lifestyle. The children suffered because they were born into the wrong family.
      Bonus: the achievements of the Russian Empire during the reign of Nicholas II

      I'm not on anyone's side, I'm just curious about your opinion. I suggest removing the military from the list, since any government would harshly punish the military personnel for seizing, for example, a ship. It's not a protest, after all. Or should we understand and forgive?
      As for Khodynka and the losses in wars, these are pure mistakes of the tsar and his government – ​​a fact.
      Regarding workers' strikes and rallies... fire was opened after an attack on law enforcement agencies and/or when the rally turned into citywide political unrest (organized by the Bolsheviks, without whom the rally would not have happened).. So... the question... What would you personally have done (if you were in power), for example, in 1902 in Rostov, when unrest engulfed the entire city, demands were being made for the overthrow of the government, pogroms, etc. What are your suggestions? How should the authorities have acted in this situation to stop the unrest... And again, I will remind you of the FACT! All the fuss was stirred up by RSDLP agitators, without them there would have been no unrest... So what should the authorities have done correctly? They opened fire on the "instigators," but what should they have done?
      1. 12+
        30 October 2025 09: 16
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        I'm not on anyone's side, I'm just interested in your opinion.

        No, you're not. You're on the side of the current government. And you clearly demonstrate this by denouncing the opponents of Tsar Nicholas II.

        What would you personally do (if you had power), for example, in 1902?

        The primary goal of any government should be to prevent social unrest, to prevent the people from suffering oppression, and to minimize dissatisfaction in society. However, if we look at the history of the final years of the Russian Empire, we see a monstrous rise in protest activity: hundreds of strikes, thousands of rallies, pogroms. And instead of seeing this as symptoms of a systemic crisis, apologists for the old regime blame anyone—the military, the Bolsheviks, "unconscious" workers—anything to avoid acknowledging the responsibility of the supreme authority.

        The justifications boil down to the fact that the tsar had no choice but to resort to violence: dispersal, arrests, and bloodshed. But this logic misses a crucial factor: the idea that different actions could and should have been taken to avoid the bloody outcome. All policy should be aimed at preventing such an outcome, not at justifying it.
        1. -1
          30 October 2025 09: 35
          Quote: Stas157
          No, you're not. You're on the side of the current government. And you clearly demonstrate this by denouncing the opponents of Tsar Nicholas II.

          Where did I lie? Or does telling the truth immediately mean being a supporter of the current government? Strange logic... biased, Stas... unobjective... although I understand that for you, anyone who doesn't spit on the Russian Empire, but at least tries to look at the situation neutrally, is "bad." hi
          Quote: Stas157
          We are seeing a monstrous increase in protest activity: hundreds of strikes, thousands of rallies, pogroms.

          And for some reason, with very rare exceptions, everywhere the organizers were agitators, and where they weren't there, there were no strikes... right? Well, give me a spontaneous strike of that time that turned into urban uprisings, pogroms... can you? I don't think so.
          Quote: Stas157
          And instead of seeing this as a symptom of a systemic crisis, apologists of the old regime blame anyone they can: the military, the Bolsheviks, “unconscious” workers—anyone to avoid recognizing the responsibility of the supreme authority.

          I wrote it clearly, unambiguously, without the possibility of ambiguity - what was the Tsar guilty of? You read it, right? I repeat - the inept wars and their results, Khodynka... this, of course, greatly helped the protest movement, first and foremost (the revolutionaries)...
          Quote: Stas157
          The justifications boil down to the fact that the tsar had no choice but to resort to violence: dispersal, arrests, and bloodshed. But this logic misses a crucial factor: the idea that different actions could and should have been taken to avoid the bloody outcome. All policy should be aimed at preventing such an outcome, not at justifying it.

          I knew it—in order to avoid admitting the correctness of the government's actions at the time, they'll tell me it shouldn't have happened... It was very predictable... But you're again omitting the point that where there were no agitators, there were no uprisings—how can that be? Plus, don't forget the dozens and hundreds of officials and governors killed, many of whom did good work and were "in the right place"... Let's not deny that the revolutionaries made a huge contribution to "fueling the situation"; perhaps without them, the fire wouldn't have come... in any case, it would have been noticeably less intense.
          1. +6
            30 October 2025 10: 58
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            Let's not deny that the revolutionaries made a huge contribution to "igniting the situation"; perhaps without them, the fire would not have come...

            No revolutionaries (or agitators), despite all their efforts, were capable of destroying the foundations of autocracy—their activities were merely background noise. The empire collapsed when its own support—the ruling elite—renounced it. It was the generals and the aristocracy who, during the February Revolution of 1917, became the force that decided the fate of the throne. So all blame falls on them, the "dear ones."
            1. 0
              30 October 2025 11: 57
              Quote: Stas157
              No revolutionaries (agitators), despite all their efforts, were able to destroy the foundations of autocracy

              I'm not saying they did it, but calling dozens of strikes and clashes background noise... and starting in October 1905, 3611 government officials were killed and wounded in the Russian Empire. By the end of 1907, their number had increased to almost 4500. Together with 2180 killed and 2530 wounded private individuals, the total number of victims in 1905-1907, according to A. Geifman, is more than 9000 people. According to official statistics, from January 1908 to mid-May 1910, 19,957 terrorist acts and expropriations were committed, in which 732 government officials and 3051 private individuals were killed, while 1022 government officials and 2829 private individuals were wounded. You know, these can hardly be called light pranks. And it’s not clear, do you want to downplay the results of the revolutionaries’ actions?
              1. +6
                30 October 2025 12: 11
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                but call it background noise

                Call it simply background. A disturbing (eerie, tragic) background... There is background and figure. There is primary and secondary. There is cause and effect. The fall of the autocracy was not caused by the Bolsheviks (not revolutionaries, not agitators, not popular unrest), but by the betrayal of the elites.
              2. +1
                30 October 2025 13: 52
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                According to official statistics, from January 1908 to mid-May 1910, 19,957 terrorist acts and expropriations were committed, in which 732 government officials and 3051 private individuals were killed, while 1022 government officials and 2829 private individuals were wounded.

                There were about 90,000 officials in the Russian Empire - so when extrapolations in these days it's like now it would be around 20 000 killed and wounded civil servants.
                If during the USSR, in peacetime, someone had killed such a bunch of civil servants, I don’t even know what would have happened.
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              0
              8 November 2025 15: 55
              Let's not forget about the priests who threw the throne out of the meeting room)
            3. +1
              11 March 2026 00: 05
              Russia's ruling elite "decided" the fate of the throne, but they were quickly ousted from the "ruling" ranks—less than a year. So, with or without them, autocracy in Russia in 1917 was doomed. The country would have exploded no later than early 1918.
        2. +1
          11 March 2026 00: 03
          The reasons are very simple: instead of solving social problems, the tsarist regime flogged, hanged, shot, and sent people to hard labor and into the army. Therefore, the tsar ceased to be a "father" to the people and became a hated satrap and parasite. While the people suffered, the Russian aristocracy, which constituted no more than 1% of the population, thrived.
      2. 0
        30 October 2025 13: 48
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        What would you personally have done (if you had power), for example, in 1902 in Rostov, when unrest engulfed the entire city, demands were made for the overthrow of the government, pogroms, etc.

        Well, everything is known - they shot a little, brought in troops, and imprisoned those they caught.
        Novocherkassk 1962 and Alma-Ata 1984. Years and General Secretaries different - but the reaction is the same.
        And Dzerzhinsky's division in Moscow was just sitting there out of boredom. The Soviet people, it seems, won't attack the Soviet government. Especially if they add light armored vehicles...
        This is what I always talk about - double standarts - The Tsar and the Cossacks are a pain in the neck for the people, but the General Secretaries and Odon are "something else"
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          +1
          8 November 2025 15: 57
          And now there are three regiments sitting
    5. -19
      30 October 2025 08: 37
      Quote: kebeskin
      Commitment to solving complex social issues with the help of a whip, a ramrod and a bullet, because the last emperor was ready to shoot and flog the bulk of the population at the first need, and this was only if the matter concerned counts and princes

      What does he have to do with the Bolsheviks, who shot, flogged, exiled millions of people, and entangled the entire country in concentration camps?
      Quote: kebeskin
      parasitic lifestyle. Children suffered

      These are the sisters of mercy of the Russian Red Army of the First World War. Compare them with the dissolute parasitic golden youth of the Setanka and her brother.
      Quote: kebeskin
      1901, May 7 - Execution of Obukhov workers;

      and that's... it? Disgraceful.

      The Bolsheviks attacked and fired artillery, aviation, and cavalry at THOUSANDS of uprisings and demonstrations of workers and peasants, not only in the Civil War (Tambov, Sapozhkova, Kronstadt, etc.), but also in peacetime—in just one year, 1930, in the USSR, there was more than 13,453 mass peasant uprisings, including 55 open armed uprisings Millions of children exiled, hundreds of thousands executed in a year, many millions of deaths from starvation and cannibalism, millions of prisoners in the camps, millions of dispossessed—in what other country was such a thing done to its own people? Nowhere, especially in Russia.
      Quote: kebeskin
      914 – The beginning of the imperialist war. During the war, 856,000 Russian soldiers died.

      1917 - the beginning of the Civil War by the Bolsheviks against their own people, the number of victims is several times greater than the number of victims in the defense of the Fatherland.

      On October 30 (October 17, old style), 1905, Nicholas's manifesto was published, which gave people freedom of speech, parties, marches, assemblies, elections, and immunity, which they had been deprived of for 70 long years by the previous regime.

      Today is for him 120 years, and congratulations on that.

      The editorial staff of VO keeps abreast of important historical events of the Motherland.
      1. 21+
        30 October 2025 08: 48
        Could someone please explain how, despite the supposed millions (why are we embarrassed, why not hundreds of millions?) shot, exiled, hacked to pieces, imprisoned, etc. by those damned communists, the population of the USSR grew, we managed to win the World War, be the first to fly into space, and become one of the two planetary superpowers, competing on equal terms with the united West?
        1. -19
          30 October 2025 08: 59
          Quote: paul3390
          the population of the USSR grew

          The remnants of Russian luxury before the VORs: under Nicholas, the population grew by 50%, under the Comics, over the same period - by 16%.
          Quote: paul3390
          one of the two planetary superpowers

          Planetary—with coupons for women's panties at the ready, etc., and the inability to feed the population of the RPR with the largest arable land in the world?
          1. 12+
            30 October 2025 09: 29
            Quote: Olgovich
            The remnants of Russian luxury before the VORs: under Nicholas, the population grew by 50%, under the Comics, over the same period - by 16%.

            Well, listen, your lies are impossible to read.
            During Nicholas II's 20-year reign, the population increased by 60 million, but he had no credit for this. The development of medicine, particularly in the fight against epidemics, and urbanization also contributed to a slight decline in mortality.
            But let's compare it to the USSR, but not during the wars it didn't start, and not during the demographic depressions after the wars. Similar to how Nicholas II was measured.
            From 1959 to 1970, the population grew by 23 million, a growth higher than under Nicholas II, given the population difference. Let me remind you that the USSR's demographics declined by almost 40 million after WWII due to direct losses and an indirect decline in the birth rate (estimated at 15-18 million). Let me remind you that the Russian Empire encompassed vast territories. The USSR's population was much smaller.
            1. -12
              30 October 2025 12: 29
              Quote: multicaat
              During the 20 years of Nicholas II's reign the population increased by 60 million chehunter

              и
              Quote: multicaat
              similar to how they measured Nicholas II.
              from 1959 to 1970 growth by 23 million, higher growthе

              lol lol lol
              1. +2
                30 October 2025 12: 46
                take the proportion for the population and the period
                then we'll have a laugh.
                Finally, there are questions about the statistics and the 60 million increase under Nikolai
                He was from 1894 to 1917, that's 24 years, not 20.
                Where did you get this from??? If we take the empire's data, then
                The increase in one family, taking into account the death of children under 18 years of age, is 3 children per family.
                up to 25 years old - 2.4 from the same Wikipedia, where you apparently read it. According to Boris Mironov,
                So, essentially, the growth rate over one generation is 2.4 - 2/2 = 20%, nothing higher. That's the maximum per generation, according to the same statistics. But I already wrote that famine and epidemics took a significant toll at that time, according to official statistics, more than 12 million people died over the entire period.
                Nicholas's reign lasted exactly one generation, which makes the 50% growth rate unrealistic.
                This is why we conclude that growth in the USSR between 1959 and 1970 was not just higher, but actually double that. True, there's the factor of increasing aging—life expectancy has increased sharply, by more than 10 years. But even accounting for this, the growth in the bakery industry is much lower.
                1. -1
                  31 October 2025 23: 41
                  This is where it comes from that the growth in the USSR in the period 1959-1970 was not just higher, but almost 2 times higher.
                  In fact, around this time, some people with their tiny apartments, where you can't even move around, caused the birth rate in the RSFSR to plummet. Due to rising life expectancy, the population continued to grow, but women began having fewer than two children. And these five-story buildings still stand. My relatives, for example, live five kilometers from the Moscow Ring Road, and they have nowhere else to go with our prices.
                  1. 0
                    1 November 2025 08: 57
                    Quote from alexoff
                    In general, around this time, some people with their tiny apartments where you can’t even move around, brought down the birth rate in the RSFSR.

                    You've got something mixed up. Let's start with the fact that 40 million people were completely homeless. What they could have built in their dugouts is a question.
                    Secondly, the five-story buildings themselves played a positive role – many young families were able to have their first child at 22 or 23 or even earlier. When I was born, my father was 24, my mother 22. And now I married for the first time when I was already 36. The problem began later, when the first stage of mass housing construction remained... the first, a mobilization phase. There are many reasons, one of the main ones being a series of failed economic programs under Khrushchev and the absurd reform of the state planning system. There was no improvement in the quality of construction, nor in standards. Only in 84 was a new program adopted, almost 20 years late. Around the same time, a large-scale modernization program for the construction industry was launched, and for obvious reasons, its implementation was extremely slow. But I did live in an apartment meeting the new standards – it was luxurious.
                    Another problem was that private construction and utilities in the RSFSR were practically nonexistent. People simply couldn't afford the materials.
                    1. 0
                      1 November 2025 16: 18
                      Let's start with the fact that 40 million people were completely homeless. What they could have built in their dugouts is a question.
                      A dugout is a pittance, just like any log cabin. The kids grew up—and so did their housing; they'd build a mud hut or add an extension in a couple of days. In a Khrushchev-era building, they'd happily build a first, maybe even a second, but the kids grew up. A five-year-old doesn't take up much space, and at 14, suddenly, there's no room to multiply. What are you going to do with them?!
                      The problem began later, when the first stage of mass housing construction remained... the first, the mobilization stage.
                      It's clear, Khrushchev didn't reign for long, and the problem wasn't really solved and then
                      People simply couldn't buy materials.
                      Yes, I know, the family was stuck in a private house in the Moscow region, 40 meters with a kitchen and a hallway. When I was born, I was the seventh resident. When the opportunity to buy bricks arose, they sent the money, but then Pavlov's reform happened, and the money was returned because you could buy almost nothing for the same amount. As a result, there was no money, no building materials, and then they built like Pumpkin at Cipollino's, some of the bricks were stolen from a pioneer camp in the forest that had already been almost completely plundered. request
          2. 13+
            30 October 2025 09: 31
            Are we going to write nonsense again? At least take a look at the statistics for decency's sake. And also, the reasons for growth under the Tsar, and why it stopped immediately after Stolypin's reforms. We've already explained this a hundred times! Enough!

            Are you lying again? I don't recall anyone going naked or starving in the post-war years... There were problems, but at least they lived on their own hard-earned money. And what they made, they consumed.

            Well, yes - under the supposedly blessed Russian Empire, our entire population was living in clover, and the country was ahead of the rest of the world in terms of development... Ugh.

            But let's take a look at your beloved capitalism. Total imports in all areas, a catastrophic decline in the indigenous population, everyone's walking all over the country, and so on and so forth. Awesome achievements compared to those damned commies...
            1. -8
              30 October 2025 12: 46
              Quote: paul3390
              Writing nonsense again we will please?

              Who is to blame?
              Quote: paul3390
              Why did it stop immediately after Stolypin's reforms?

              belay lol
              Quote: paul3390
              Are you lying again? I don't recall anyone walking around naked or dying of hunger in the post-war years.

              How old are you? And in '46-47 they even ate people—even when there was bread in the country.
              Quote: paul3390
              Well, yes - under the supposedly blessed Russian Empire, our entire population was living in clover, and the country was ahead of the rest of the world in development... Ugh.

              Not in oil, of course, but the collective farmers of Novorossiya in 1930 remembered the Russian Empire with fierce envy
              Quote: paul3390
              But let's take a look at your beloved capitalism. Imports everywhere, a catastrophic decline in the indigenous population, everyone's walking all over the country, and so on and so forth. Awesome achievements compared to those damned commies.

              What did your youth leave behind? Leading the world in alcohol, alcohol abuse, smoking, rape, etc.

              The celebrated achievements of the communists: Suslov, Pravda, the CPSU congresses, etc.—the whole world was so envious, it was so eager to see them. lol From the oppressed USA to the blissful socialism... How many millions of those tortured by capitalists overcame the wall?
          3. +5
            30 October 2025 09: 40
            The RI that Nikki No. 2 took over had a population of about 280 million
            When the USSR actually had a chance to grow normally after WW2, it wasn't even 59 (the war's aftermath was still enormous), but 63-64, when things became more or less normal. So, it was the USSR that showed almost 50% growth during that period, and you've attributed this to the shabby Russian Empire, which grew not by 50%, but by only 20% of its population over 20 years, or 1% per year. However, we can't even dream of that now. We're down a million a year, not counting the influx of migrants.
            1. 0
              30 October 2025 10: 16
              Just yesterday I was wondering about the population figures. From 1966 to 1991, the profit was approximately 30 million. From 1992 to 2020, the profit was 12 million. And even then, it's unclear whether the data is reliable.
              1. +1
                30 October 2025 10: 34
                Quote: Gardamir
                Just yesterday I was wondering about the population. From 1966 to 1991, the profit was approximately 30 million.

                It's interesting to compare in conditions as close as possible to the Russian Empire after Alexander III. And this is the absence of war, an agrarian country
                In the USSR, the period closest to this was 1963...1975.
                Other periods are already very different - either the consequences of war or strong urbanization and a different culture, when it became fashionable to have 1 child.
                Therefore, it is better to compare in this period, proportionally by population and period
              2. +5
                30 October 2025 10: 44
                From 1992 to 2020 profit 12 million.
                - Can you tell me where you found it?
                RSFSR 1992 - 148 million, RF January 1, 2025 - 146,028 million (excluding four new regions)
                1. +3
                  30 October 2025 11: 03
                  I counted the USSR during Soviet times. Now it's the Russian Federation plus all the former Soviet republics. I'm even afraid to count the Russian Federation separately. Besides, I don't trust modern statistics, so what if things are much worse?
                  1. -1
                    30 October 2025 11: 11
                    In the RSFSR, population growth from the early 70s to 92 was approximately one percent per year; it's best not to talk about the current situation...
                    1. -2
                      30 October 2025 11: 32
                      Yes, between the 1979 and 1989 censuses, the population of the RSFSR increased by 100 million people, reaching 148 million. But after the RSFSR was seized by the enemies of the USSR, who so admirably portrayed "concern for the preservation of the people" in their anti-Soviet propaganda, the "Russian cross" arrived in February 1993, when the mortality rate exceeded the birth rate. Since then, the people's ranks have been catastrophically declining, and the enemies of the USSR are trying to conceal this by handing out citizenship to everyone, including those not living in their country.
                      1. -4
                        30 October 2025 13: 04
                        Quote: tatra
                        Yes, between the 1979 and 1989 censuses the population of the RSFSR increased by 100 millions of people,

                        ?? !! belay lol
                      2. +1
                        30 October 2025 13: 05
                        Well, that's something else entirely. A difference of 100 million in the RSFSR? Over ten years? That is, in 1979, the population was 48 million? You need to remove one zero.
                      3. +2
                        30 October 2025 13: 59
                        Quote: tatra
                        1979 and 1989 population RSFSR increased by 100 millions and amounted to 148 million people.

                        You cut the sturgeon, otherwise it will turn out that you have to In 1979 there were 48 million in total in the RSFSR......
                    2. +1
                      30 October 2025 12: 13
                      Quote: faiver
                      In the RSFSR, population growth from the early 70s to 92 was approximately one percent per year.

                      Since the mid-1970s, families with one or two children have become the norm. The reasons are consumer culture, widespread divorce, and the devaluation of family, primarily by women, due to the extensive guarantees in the Family Code during divorce. So what? Child support from the husband, or even better, from three. The state will give you an apartment. The union will give you a trip to the seaside, and a decent pension at 45. It's not a fairy tale life. What the hell are children for?
                      The state's changing attitude toward workers displaced by the millions also has an impact: they have fewer social security benefits and are losing contact with family and friends. Career expectations are rising, and many are delaying having children until age 30. Abortion is becoming legal and widespread. These are the factors driving the sharp decline in the birth rate.
                      1. +1
                        30 October 2025 12: 24
                        Quote: multicaat
                        The reason is consumer culture, widespread divorce, and the devaluation of family, especially by women, due to the extensive guarantees in the Family Code during divorce. So what? Child support from the husband, or better yet, from three husbands. The state will give you an apartment. The union will give you a trip to the seaside, and a decent pension at 45. It's not a fairy tale life. What the hell are children for?

                        I think the problem lies elsewhere. There's a bias toward urban populations. In the countryside, young families could quickly acquire their own housing, i.e., a house, with minimal amenities, but in the city, this has become a problem. If factories and cities were built in Africa, the problem of high birth rates would disappear with the growth of cities...for example, China.
                      2. +1
                        30 October 2025 12: 30
                        Quote: Konnick
                        I think the problem lies elsewhere. There's a bias toward the urban population. In the countryside, a young family could previously quickly acquire their own home, i.e., a house, with minimal amenities, but in the city, this has become a problem.

                        In the city, young people could often find housing—either a dorm or their own—but... both were at work, the kids were in kindergarten, and the size of apartments, by Khrushchev standards, was enough to comfortably accommodate one or two children. In the village, there were no such space or feeding constraints. There, it was quite possible to house at least 20 children and provide them with good food. And when I visited my grandparents in the village, I was completely self-sufficient—I never left the forests and fields; we ate there. Berries, fish, peas, honey, and even stopped at the farm for milk.
                        I only came home to sleep at night, and not every night - there were overnight fishing trips, and during the white nights we ate blueberries and strawberries around the clock.
              3. +1
                30 October 2025 15: 44
                Quote: Gardamir
                From 1992 to 2020, profit was 12 million. And it is still unclear whether the data is worth believing.

                And from 1990 to 2025 there was a continuous decline....
            2. -8
              30 October 2025 10: 54
              Quote: multicaat
              The RI that Nikki No. 2 accepted had a population about 280 million

              belay lol It's a shame not to know your history like that... Is the census a secret for you?
              Russia 1894 - 120 million, 1917 = 180 million p.50% growth in 23 years

              Bolsheviks 1917 145 million, 1939 - false 170 million increase 16% for the same period

              There was no increase of 50% in 23 years in the USSR, depopulation since 1964.


              Quote: multicaat
              Well, let's plow the virgin lands beyond the Arctic Circle.

              The USSR has the largest arable land in the world and The chernozems in the USSR were the largest in the world.

              But your "expert" fighters, at the cost of millions of civilian sacrifices, managed to match the harvest of 1913... FORTY years later. A greater disgrace could not be imagined...
              Quote: multicaat
              Stalin tried to change this by beginning a process of gradual development of lands in the south

              abandoning ALREADY developed lands in Russia.
              Quote: multicaat
              We still have a tiny amount of land comparable to the arable land of other agrarian states.

              Russia is still the world leader in black soils.

              1. -1
                30 October 2025 11: 10
                Russia 1894 - 120 million, 1917 = 180 million, a 50% increase in 23 years

                Due to mental deceit, the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people always choose only what is beneficial to them for their vile and criminal purposes.
                The population of the Republic of Ingushetia was calculated disgracefully, "by eye", so, according to various statistics for 1917, it was 166 million people, and 173, and 179, and 180 million people, but the enemies of the USSR choose the highest figure, secondly, for the sake of their anti-Soviet myth "how everything was wonderful before the Bolsheviks", and secondly, to increase the number of those killed in the Civil War, the blame for which they placed on the Bolsheviks.
              2. +1
                30 October 2025 11: 59
                Quote: Olgovich
                It's a shame not to know your history like that... Is the census a secret for you?
                Russia 1894 - 120 million, 1917 = 180 million, a 50% increase in 23 years

                What documents are you relying on? What don't I know?
                In 1897, a census was conducted with a total of 125,640,021
                But there are many "buts" about this census and its methodology. For example, many peasant families participated in this census only as heads of household.
                A huge number of landless people, those working elsewhere, the illiterate, women, and children were not counted at all. The census situation in the Caucasus and Central Asia was even worse. Non-Russians were also not counted at all, and this included several million people, from Greeks, Hungarians, Finns, Poles, and Germans to Chinese.
                Well, big deal, it's a small thing.
                I rely on the estimate from the German Empire in 1912 (Tirpitz's book), which estimated the population in the Russian Empire at 280 million, including Poland and a number of the empire's Western acquisitions, as well as colonies in America, Australia, Africa, China and Korea.
                Furthermore, in the period between 1905 and 1917, where you show astonishing figures, in the Russian Empire there were 2 wars, one of which was world war, approximately 5000 peasant uprisings, 3 major epidemics, the famine of 1911-1912 covered 60 provinces in two years,
                The famine of 1905 affected 22 provinces, and per capita food consumption during this period fell by 16% (statistics from the Russian Empire). Scurvy incidence increased by 528%.
                Typhus, tuberculosis, and other diseases also sharply increased by an average of 300-400%. In 1911, 1.6 million died of starvation (again, imperial statistics). For the entire period 1901-1912, according to official imperial statistics, just over 8 million died.
                In 1907, Prince D. N. Svyatopolk-Mirsky stated in the State Duma that 212 kg of bread were consumed per capita in Russia, while in England it was 299 kg, and in France it was 363 kg.
                Moreover, bread accounts for about 80% of the consumption structure in the Republic of Ingushetia; there are no oysters or meat there, and very little dairy products.
                And you are seriously talking about a 50% population growth under these conditions???
                This isn't funny. This is crazy.
                1. 0
                  31 October 2025 08: 34
                  Quote: multicaat
                  I rely on the estimate from the German Empire in 1912 (Tirpitz's book), which estimated the population in the Russian Empire at 280 million, including Poland and a number of Western acquisitions of the empire, as well as colonies in America, Australia, Africa, China and Korea.

                  Russia has... colonies in America, Australia, Africa, China and Korea? fool
                  It is a
                  Quote: multicaat
                  It's not funny. It's crazy.
                  1. -1
                    31 October 2025 10: 37
                    So you don't even know that? What's there to talk about?
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Russia has... colonies in America, Australia, Africa, China and Korea?

                    Djibouti territory Sangallo, Russian community among the Boers
                    Liaodong Peninsula, Port Arthur and Ta-lian-wan
                    Australia in New South Wales
                    After the annexation of California, which belonged to the Russian Empire, by the states, several purely Russian towns remained, and another one in Alaska.
                    If you're as dense as a mammoth's turd, it's not my problem.
                    1. 0
                      31 October 2025 10: 52
                      Quote: multicaat
                      So you don't even know that?

                      Don't you remember yourself? What was Alaska like in 1912, what... 28 million in the Russian Empire? Read yourself:
                      Quote: multicaat
                      I rely on the assessment from Germany empire in 1912 (Tirpitz's book), where the population in the Russian Empire was estimated at 280 million, including Poland and a number of the empire's Western acquisitions, as well as colonies in America, Australia, Africa, China, and Korea

                      You don't even know the order of numbers, you don't know the USSR decrees, etc.

                      Funny, I'm tired of it...
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                        31 October 2025 11: 02
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You don't even know the order of numbers,

                        without evidence, without arguments, I always cite sources of figures
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        You don't know the USSR decrees

                        The decrees issued by the USSR in the 80s and 90s have no bearing on the assessment of what happened 50 years earlier.
                      2. -1
                        31 October 2025 11: 10
                        Quote: multicaat
                        without evidence, without arguments, I always cite sources of figures

                        Does the nonsense about 280 million really need numbers?
                        Quote: multicaat
                        decrees from the USSR in the 80-90s

                        You didn't even know that in the USSR there were... decrees lol

                        tired. and
                      3. 0
                        31 October 2025 11: 20
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Does the nonsense about 280 million really need numbers?

                        it's nonsense not to acknowledge what was said
                        You still haven't responded to my point that the census methodology for counting the population of the Republic of Ingushetia didn't include large strata of the population. It's absolutely certain that the census from which Nikki II's achievements were calculated was counted according to stricter rules than the 1920 census. I've given examples of those who weren't counted. You're silent on specifics, yet you accuse me of delusional thinking.
                        It's perfectly clear that the huge figures you're citing are a manipulation of the numbers, not a real indicator. Just like the bakery industry, which claimed the commissioning of the second power plant in the Republic of Ingushetia represented a 100% increase in the country's energy output for the year. It's all a manipulation of terminology. Like the joke about two people running a race, where one finished second to last and the other finished second.
                        And you're poking people with all this idiocy. Aren't you ashamed???
                        Seriously, I'm giving you specific examples of how a country is starving and losing millions to disease and hunger, and you continue to claim that during this time, the population is growing by 50%. I cited statistics showing that the survival rate (official imperial statistics) for families reduces the actual birth rate from 5.3 to 2.4, but you completely ignore this. As if it never happened. Meanwhile, this clearly makes your manipulation of population growth impossible.
                      4. -1
                        31 October 2025 12: 12
                        Quote: multicaat
                        it's nonsense not to acknowledge what was said

                        nonsense: 280 million population of Russia in 1917, undercount... 100 million?! lol fool

                        That's it, don't write, I'm tired of it...
                      5. -1
                        31 October 2025 12: 17
                        And again, not a single argument – ​​just a fountain of insults, statements, and emotions. I'm waiting for unstolen proof.
              3. +3
                30 October 2025 12: 24
                Quote: Olgovich
                Russia is still the world leader in black soils.

                Well, let's compare the harvest in the black soil in the center of the Krasnoyarsk Territory and on the sand 5 kilometers from the Black Sea, to dispel your demagoguery.
                Wheat on that black soil won't have time to ripen before autumn. The annual cucumber or tomato harvest (in the south, it takes two harvest seasons) varies by a factor of four.
                This is what Russian black soil is.
                But maybe it’s much cooler in Georgia, Kazakhstan or Ukraine?
                Frosts and droughts, hot winds, and the like will make a significant difference. About 20% of crops are lost because it's very difficult to predict when to sow—frosts. In my homeland, where there's black soil, nighttime temperatures in July can reach -3 degrees Celsius, and during the day, the heat and dryness (easily 40 degrees in the shade) wilt everything. Incidentally, the ice on the bottoms of lakes doesn't always melt over the summer. Directly watering with ice water from nearby rivers also produces undesirable results; it needs to be settled or heated. What will grow there?
                You are engaging in demagoguery, replacing the concept of "black soil" with the real conditions of fertility.
          4. +7
            30 October 2025 09: 47
            Quote: Olgovich
            with the largest arable land in the world

            Well, let's plow the virgin land beyond the Arctic Circle, and we'll see what you grow. Nikita was planning to grow corn there. You too?
            I would like to remind you that France alone, in the south, not counting the northern provinces, has 8 times more land with low-risk farming than the entire USSR, which included Ukraine, the Balts, the Asian republics, and Georgia.
            Stalin tried to change this by initiating a gradual process of land development in the south through afforestation of the steppe—a 40-year plan. But Khrushchev decided he could accomplish this in five years by simply plowing everything up, and funding for this program was halted. It turned out to be just the opposite. We still have a paltry amount of land comparable to that of other agrarian states. And you're a demagogue.
            1. -1
              31 October 2025 11: 17
              Quote: multicaat

              Well, let's plow the virgin land beyond the Arctic Circle, and we'll see what you grow. Nikita was planning to grow corn there. You too?
              I would like to remind you that in the south of France alone, not counting the northern provinces, there are 8 times more lands with low-risk agriculture than there were in the past.

              All well and good. But how did Tsarist Russia manage to feed half the world? And how is Russia now the world's leading wheat exporter (32 million tons)?
              1. -1
                31 October 2025 11: 31
                Quote: Panin (Michman)
                All well and good. But how did Tsarist Russia manage to feed half the world?

                Well, first of all, they exported it to their own detriment - there was constant famine in the country
                Secondly, they didn't feed half the world—they mostly fed Germany and sometimes its neighbors. And Germans ate, on average, a third more than residents of the Russian Empire.
                Third, there are manipulations with the population figures. The population was much higher than the census showed. This was due to a number of factors, not the least of which was the concealment of the tax base. According to the estimates of those same Germans I cited, the population of the Russian Empire was almost twice as large as the census figure.
                Fourth. There was also an objective increase in food production. Firstly, even in the Russian Empire, labor mechanization and farm consolidation began, allowing for the maintenance of a unified pool of agricultural equipment. Agronomists began working en masse (one of Witte's positive innovations), and transportation and food storage developed, significantly reducing losses. Thus, the average time it took to deliver grain to the customer was halved over half a century. But the Russian Empire deserves credit for this—foreign transport and capital contributed greatly to this: American railroads, German steamships, French technology.
                The next point is the development of Siberia. It was this region that accounted for half of the increase in the export of food products from the Russian Empire before the war.
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                  31 October 2025 15: 55
                  Quote: multicaat
                  the development of Siberia. It accounted for half of the increase in the Russian Empire's food exports before the war.

                  So Siberia is bigger than three Frances combined. And you're talking about some black soil and low-risk farming zones. Answer this simple question: why does today's Russia have enough food, while the USSR didn't?
                  1. 0
                    31 October 2025 16: 24
                    Quote: Panin (Michman)
                    Answer this simple question: why does today's Russia have enough food, while the USSR did not?

                    Do we have enough food??? Are you serious? Don't you want to look at its quality and structure? I estimate that if we throw out anything that didn't meet the USSR GOST quality standards and add it to consumption standards, we'll have a severe shortage of food and even livestock feed, some of which is now sold as human food.
                    but let me return to your question.
                    Firstly, in the USSR, the price-to-wage ratio was such that people could buy plenty of food, and high-quality food at that. And we had to produce a lot of it. The cow-breeding industry alone consumed enormous resources. Now it's been cut almost tenfold. We've switched from milk and beef to palm oil and poultry.
                    Secondly, technology has changed. More is now being preserved—vegetable warehouses, freezers on wheels, faster fruit delivery, packaging, etc.
                    Thirdly, I can't imagine what I missed in the USSR—I had all the basics of food. Sure, there weren't 100 types of soy sausage and other substitutes and a host of other processed foods, but I still don't buy sausage—I prefer to cook meat in the oven at home instead. I think the only thing I really missed was decent-tasting tea. Everyone was hunting for Indian tea, while the stores were flooded with Georgian tea, which few people liked.
                    So your question itself is contradictory. I think it's exactly the opposite—it's a food shortage now, not a shortage of unhealthy, low-quality crap.
                    Finally, how much does it cost now? I earn a decent income, but I spend a fortune on quality food. It's a real bummer. And many people don't have the money for that at all.
                    1. -1
                      2 November 2025 14: 04
                      Quote: multicaat
                      Quote: Panin (Michman)
                      Answer this simple question: why does today's Russia have enough food, while the USSR did not?

                      Do we have enough food??? Are you serious? Don't you want to look at its quality and structure? I estimate that if we throw out anything that didn't meet the USSR GOST quality standards and add it to consumption standards, we'll have a severe shortage of food and even livestock feed, some of which is now sold as human food.
                      but let me return to your question.
                      Firstly, in the USSR, the price-to-wage ratio was such that people could buy plenty of food, and high-quality food at that. And we had to produce a lot of it. The cow-breeding industry alone consumed enormous resources. Now it's been cut almost tenfold. We've switched from milk and beef to palm oil and poultry.
                      Secondly, technology has changed. More is now being preserved—vegetable warehouses, freezers on wheels, faster fruit delivery, packaging, etc.
                      Thirdly, I can't imagine what I missed in the USSR—I had all the basics of food. Sure, there weren't 100 types of soy sausage and other substitutes and a host of other processed foods, but I still don't buy sausage—I prefer to cook meat in the oven at home instead. I think the only thing I really missed was decent-tasting tea. Everyone was hunting for Indian tea, while the stores were flooded with Georgian tea, which few people liked.
                      So your question itself is contradictory. I think it's exactly the opposite—it's a food shortage now, not a shortage of unhealthy, low-quality crap.
                      Finally, how much does it cost now? I earn a decent income, but I spend a fortune on quality food. It's a real bummer. And many people don't have the money for that at all.

                      Good nutrition means a balanced diet, not gluttony. Some people eat fast food, while others practice separate meals. For example, I now eat half as much as I did when I was younger. While I used to get a salad, a first course, a second course, and tea with a bun at the cafeteria, now I only eat one dish at a time. So I can't say I spend a ton of money on food.
                      And in the USSR there was a shortage of fruits, yogurts, and all kinds of muesli. And sausage and meat were rationed.
                      I'll say the opposite. I've switched from poultry to meat in the 1990s. And there's all kinds of milk in the stores. However, they say milk isn't digestible at my age.
          5. -5
            30 October 2025 10: 52
            One of the reasons for the population growth under Nicholas II
            According to the Penal Code of 1885 (Articles 1461, 1462), artificial abortion was punishable by "hard labor for 4 to 5 years, deprivation of all rights of state, exile to Siberia for settlement." The Criminal Code of 1903 mitigated the measures of restraint: "A mother guilty of killing her fetus is punished by imprisonment in a correctional facility for no more than 3 years, a doctor from 1,5 to 6 years."

            And the population of the USSR, during the two wars unleashed by YOU, the external and internal enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, increased more than 2 times from 134 million people to 293 million people.
            At the same time, the population of Finland, which “escaped the horrors of communism,” increased during this time from 3 million people in 1918 to 5,5 million in 1991.
            No, but you yourselves, no matter how much you pretend to be "concerned about preserving the people" in your false and hypocritical anti-Sovietism, have proven that you don't care about the catastrophic extinction of the people in your evil anti-Soviet period; you have other "priorities."
            1. -5
              30 October 2025 11: 11
              Quote: tatra
              more than 2 times from 134 million people to 293 million people

              In 1917, the population inhabiting the territory of the future USSR within the 1991 borders was about 149 million people, in 1991 290 million - an increase of less than two times for as many as 74 years
              Quote: tatra
              x wars unleashed by YOU, external and internal enemies of the USSR

              the enemies of the people unleashed the massacre of the people:
              Stalin, 1937 - we are 168 million, growing by 3 million a year.
              Census 1937-us...160 млн.Catastrophe! .
              Quote: tatra
              catastrophic extinction of a people

              under your watch, a THIRD of Russia's regions were dying out in 1990.
              1. -5
                30 October 2025 11: 27
                Why do you always lie? The enemies of the USSR, with the freedom of speech granted to them by Gorbachev, have proven themselves to be mental liars, their lies both conscious and subconscious. You always and everywhere seek only self-interest, including, because of your deceitful anti-Sovietism, you, with your totally deceitful Perestroika, praise Nicholas II, creating a myth about the people's wonderful life before the communists.
                Where did you get these 149 million? And in the wars unleashed by YOU, the external and internal enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people, you destroyed more than 30 million Soviet citizens. And demographic losses double over a quarter century, so if not for these wars of yours, the population of the USSR at the time of your seizure of the USSR would have been 100 million more.
                And naturally, you ignored what I wrote about Finland and about your anti-Soviet period.
                The enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people have only the mentality and intelligence to viciously AGAINST them. And what can you write about YOURSELF, other than your eternal cowardly "it's not our fault, it's all others' fault," "it's not our fault, it happened in the USSR too, and we're still dealing with it."
                1. +5
                  30 October 2025 15: 47
                  Quote: tatra
                  The enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people have only enough mentality and intelligence for an evil AGAINST

                  Forgive me, but you are the one who is primarily bleeding with anger here.
                  Quote: tatra
                  And what can you write about YOURSELF, except your eternal cowardly “but we have nothing to do with it, it’s all others’ fault”, “but we have nothing to do with it, this happened in the USSR too, and we’re still dealing with it”.

                  Now reread everything you wrote above and you will see that you write exactly like this - where it is good, there are communists, where it is bad, there are enemies of communists.
                  I have a friend like that - whenever things are going well, it's immediately "we, me", but as soon as there are problems, it's "they, I didn't know")))
                  You are very similar
              2. +2
                30 October 2025 12: 03
                Quote: Olgovich
                under your watch, a THIRD of Russia's regions were dying out in 1990.

                Specify in whose presence "in your presence." I was in school in 1990 - who did I manage to kill?
            2. 0
              30 October 2025 12: 11
              Quote: tatra
              One of the reasons for the population growth under Nicholas II."

              One of the main reasons was the lack of contraception. But infant mortality was also significantly higher due to the lack of antibiotics and the general lack of medical care. Antibiotics and pregnancy boxes appeared after the war.
            3. +2
              30 October 2025 14: 03
              Quote: tatra
              One of the reasons for the population growth under Nicholas II
              According to the Penal Code of 1885 (Articles 1461, 1462), artificial abortion was punishable by “hard labor for 4 to 5 years, deprivation of all rights of state, exile to Siberia for settlement.”

              Criminal liability for abortion under the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926 is up to 5 years. belay , not?
              1. +2
                30 October 2025 15: 44
                Don't wake up trouble... or else today's Duma members have already started calling for this... what if word reaches them that this has already happened?
        2. -1
          30 October 2025 09: 03
          Quote: paul3390
          If only someone could explain

          The Church explains it this way: the people managed to preserve the Christian worldview, no matter how the Trotskyists tried to eradicate and destroy it.
        3. 0
          30 October 2025 10: 47
          If only someone could explain how, despite the supposed millions (why are we embarrassed, why not hundreds of millions?) shot, exiled, hacked to pieces, imprisoned, etc. by the damned communists, the population of the USSR grew
          Women gave birth to many children - the population grew, no paradox.

          Or do you want to claim that population growth convincingly proves That millions of people illegally repressed during the Soviet era is a myth?
        4. 0
          30 October 2025 15: 42
          Quote: paul3390
          We managed to win the World War, be the first to fly into space and become one of the two planetary superpowers, competing on equal terms with the united West?

          Yeah. And remember the support for people's liberation movements in Africa. Meanwhile, asphalt and natural gas only reached my home village in Mordovia in the 90s.
        5. 0
          30 October 2025 19: 22
          Population growth is a 20th century trend throughout the world, not just in the USSR.
          1. 0
            30 October 2025 21: 06
            And will you, enemies of the USSR, also blame the global trend for the catastrophic extinction of the people?
          2. -1
            2 November 2025 20: 00
            Quote from solar
            Population growth is a 20th century trend throughout the world, not just in the USSR.

            Just don't forget that half of them are Chinese, Indians and other Bangladeshis.
            1. 0
              2 November 2025 21: 10
              Just don't forget that half of them are Chinese, Indians and other Bangladeshis.

              Including there.
      2. -2
        30 October 2025 09: 55
        Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

        Quote: Olgovich
        What does he have to do with the Bolsheviks, who shot, flogged, exiled millions of people, and entangled the entire country in concentration camps?

        Did you know that the Bolsheviks only began to seize control from the Trotskyists after Lenin's death? Trotsky himself fled the country in January 1929, but his supporters continued to wreak havoc...

        Let me remind you that the ratio of Bolsheviks to Trotskyists in the party was approximately 1:8, in favor of the latter. Decisions in the party were, and are, made by majority vote, and the Trotskyists held the majority. So, don't shift the blame from the sick to the healthy.

        Trotskyist Khrushchev tried to blame the Bolshevik Stalin for the genocide in the early years of Soviet power. But when he was confronted with official figures of approximately 600 executed (this list included bandits and rapists, traitors and policemen—Vlasovites, Binderites, Forest Brothers, etc.) beginning, for some reason, in 1922, he retracted these accusations, and you continue to lie...

        All who hate the Bolsheviks want to destroy Russian civilization!

        ps
        "The essence of Bolshevism is the sincere desire to express and implement the long-term strategic interests of the working majority, who want no one to parasitize on their labor and life."
        1. +5
          30 October 2025 10: 55
          Are you aware that the Bolsheviks only began to seize control from the Trotskyists after Lenin's death? Trotsky fled the country in January 1929
          Did he run away and not get expelled from the country?
          Let me remind you that the ratio of Bolsheviks and Trotskyists in the party was ~ 1:8 in favor of the latter.
          You have a mess in your head, or rather, you use words without knowing their exact meaning.
          A Bolshevik could very well be a Trotskyist - one did not interfere with the other.
          In general, unlike the term BOLSHEVIK, the term TROTSKYIST did not have a clear definition; its meaning varied according to the situation.
          1. 0
            30 October 2025 11: 01
            Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

            Quote: Marrr
            Unlike the term BOLSHEVIK, the term TROTSKYIST did not have a clear definition

            I provide. An excerpt from the book "The Judas Sin of the 20th Congress":

            Trotskyism is not a variant of Marxism. A characteristic feature of Trotskyism in the communist movement operating under the guise of Marxism in the 5th century was the Trotskyists' complete deafness to the content of criticism directed at them, combined with their commitment to suppressing the declarations proclaimed by Trotskyists in practice, a system of silence that underlies their actual actions, united in the collective unconscious.
            This means that Trotskyism is a psychic phenomenon. Trotskyism, in a sincere personal manifestation of the well-being of its adherents, is characterized by a conflict between the individual consciousness and the unconscious, both individual and collective, generated by all Trotskyists in their totality. And in this conflict the collective unconscious of the Trotskyists viciously triumphs, suppressing the personal conscious well-intentionedness of each of them by the totality of their all.
            This is a feature of the psyche of those who have managed to become a Trotskyist, and not a feature of a particular ideology. The psychic type of “Trotskyist” can be accompanied by a variety of ideologies. It is for this reason - of a purely psychological nature - that equal relations with Trotskyism and Trotskyists personally at the level of intellectual discussion, arguments and counterarguments are fruitless and dangerous. 6 for those who consider Trotskyism as one of the ideologies of 7 and do not see its real AML-ideological background, do not depending on the ideology that encircles it, which the psychotrocist can sincerely repeatedly change throughout his life 8.
            Intelligence, which is addressed in discussions in an effort to enlighten the interlocutor, or to identify with him the truth, on the basis of which it would be possible to overcome previous problems in relations with him, is only one component of the psyche as a whole. But the psyche as a whole (in the case of its Trotskyite type) does not allow the psycho-Trotskyist to process information intellectually, which is capable of changing the doctrine that is currently being worked out by that of many ideologically formed branches of Trotskyism, to which the psycho-Trotskyist psychologically belongs.
            This psychic feature of 9, characteristic of many individuals, is a historically more ancient phenomenon than the historically real Marxist Trotskyism in the 20th century communist movement. For this property of the psyche of individuals, there was no other word in the past besides the word "obsession." And in the era of the domination of the materialistic worldview, for this phenomenon there were no words in the language that corresponded to the essence of this type of mental impairment, which was called again, but not by its essence, but by the pseudonym of one of its most prominent representatives of Trotskyism in the 20th century communist movement.
            Trotskyism in its essence is a schizophrenic, aggressive, politically-active psyche that can hide behind any ideology, any sociological doctrine.
            Therefore, Marxism is originally an expression of psychic Trotskyism. Marx and Engels were psycho-Trotskyists. Hitler was also a psycho-Trotskyist: for the identity of the relation of Hitlerism and Marxism of the Trotsky version to many phenomena of society, see the work of the USSR Supreme Council “Look back in anger ...”. The anti-communist psychologists at the sunset of the USSR were dissidents. And now the majority of activists of bourgeois reforms in Russia and their opponents from the ranks of various patriotic parties and all supposedly communist parties who are not capable of abandoning Marxism are also the psychotrots.
            Bolshevism, as the history of the CPSU teaches, emerged in 1903 at the Second Congress of the RSDLP as one of the party factions. As its opponents claimed, the Bolsheviks never represented a true majority of Marxist party members before 1917, and therefore, opponents of the Bolsheviks in those years always objected to their self-designation. But this opinion stemmed from the heterogeneous Mensheviks' misunderstanding of the essence of Bolshevism.
            1. +2
              30 October 2025 11: 19
              This means that Trotskyism is a mental phenomenon.
              A psychic phenomenon is people on forums who stubbornly argue about subjects they have no understanding of.

              You can give your own texts instead of the googled ones. clear, concise formulations What is a BOLSHEVIK and how do you distinguish him from a TROTSKYIST?

              Just a request - keep it short and to the point, no need to insert thousands of other people's words into your posts
              1. +1
                30 October 2025 11: 37
                There is a Russian spirit here, there is a smell of Russia here...

                Quote: Marrr
                There is no need to insert thousands of other people's words into your posts

                Are you sure your thoughts are your own? We receive all our knowledge from outside sources.

                Use the original sources, not paraphrases. I've given you the title of the book. Read and form your own opinion based on your own life experience.
                1. -1
                  30 October 2025 11: 39
                  Are you sure that your thoughts are your own?
                  I am sure

                  So with my request:
                  Instead of the googled texts, can you give your own clear, concise formulations of what a BOLSHEVIK is? By what signs do you distinguish him from a TROTSKYIST?
                  Just a request - keep it short and to the point, no need to insert thousands of other people's words into your posts
                  Didn't manage it? laughing
                  1. +1
                    30 October 2025 11: 41
                    Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

                    Quote: Marrr
                    Didn't manage it?

                    I don’t see the point.
                    1. +2
                      30 October 2025 11: 50
                      You are simply unable to formulate anything - your thoughts, and your head is a mess.

                      In simple terms: a BOLSHEVIK in the narrow sense is a member of the RSDLP, a member of the faction of this party headed by Lenin since 1903.
                      In a broad sense, this is a person who participates in the revolutionary struggle and shares Lenin's views. Or someone who knows nothing about them but calls themselves a Bolshevik out of a fondness for the word (being a Bolshevik is more respectable than being a Menshevik).

                      In legal terms, a BOLSHEVIK is a member of the RCP(b) and later the All-Union Communist Party(b).

                      Now try to clearly formulate the concept of TROTSKYIST, paying attention to the legal aspect (then we’ll laugh together at what you ended up with)
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                        2 November 2025 20: 09
                        Quote: Marrr
                        You are simply unable to formulate anything - your thoughts, and your head is a mess.

                        In simple terms: a BOLSHEVIK in the narrow sense is a member of the RSDLP, a member of the faction of this party headed by Lenin since 1903.
                        In a broad sense, this is a person who participates in the revolutionary struggle and shares Lenin's views. Or someone who knows nothing about them but calls themselves a Bolshevik out of a fondness for the word (being a Bolshevik is more respectable than being a Menshevik).

                        In legal terms, a BOLSHEVIK is a member of the RCP(b) and later the All-Union Communist Party(b).

                        Now try to clearly formulate the concept of TROTSKYIST, paying attention to the legal aspect (then we’ll laugh together at what you ended up with)

                        As far as I know, Trotsky met all these criteria:
                        Trotsky was an Iskra follower, a Menshevik, the founder of the August Bloc, an Interdistrict Party member, and a Bolshevik within the RSDLP(b) (from 1917 to 1927)
                        From 1919 to 1926, he was a member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), and from 1917 to 1927, he was a member of the Central Committee and the All-Russian Central Executive Committee. In the first Soviet government, he held the post of People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs, and then (from 1918 to 1925) headed the People's Commissariat for Military and Naval Affairs and was Chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council of the RSFSR (later the USSR). From 1923, he was the leader of the intra-party left opposition ("New Course") in relation to the political course of Joseph Stalin.
                      2. -1
                        3 November 2025 11: 00
                        I know who Trotsky was.
                        I will say more: Trotsky was exactly the same Trotskyist as Lenin, i.e. an orthodox Marxist.

                        Stalin - no
                        The Trotskyists were invented by Stalin
      3. +4
        30 October 2025 10: 04
        And here comes our dear head of the transport department... And it turns out that the Civil War was started by the Bolsheviks, and not by the so-called "White Guard" supporters...
        If they had the chance, the Bolsheviks would have killed Caesar, and they would have shot Lincoln, and it was the Bolsheviks who killed poor Pavel Petrovich, no other way... laughing
      4. +5
        30 October 2025 10: 11
        Quote: Olgovich
        In 1930 alone, more than 13,453 mass peasant uprisings occurred in the USSR, including 55 open armed uprisings, millions of children exiled, hundreds of thousands executed in a year, many millions of deaths from starvation and cannibalism, millions of prisoners in prison camps, millions of dispossessed

        Let's turn to the numbers.
        At the beginning of 1954, a certificate was issued in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR addressed to N.S. Khrushchev on the number of convicted for counter-revolutionary crimes, that is, under the 58th article of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR and the relevant articles of the Criminal Code of other union republics, for the period 1921-1953. (The document was signed by three people - the Prosecutor General of the USSR PA Rudenko, the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR S.N. Kruglov and the Minister of Justice of the USSR K.P. Gorshenin).
        The document said that, according to information available from the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, for the period from 1921 to the present, that is, before the beginning of 1954, counter-revolutionary crimes were condemned by the OGPU College, NKVD triples, Special Conference, Military Collegium, courts and military tribunals 3777380 people., including to capital punishment - 6429802.
        At the end of 1953, another statement was prepared at the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. On the basis of the statistical reports of the 1st special department of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, the number of persons convicted of counter-revolutionary and other especially dangerous state crimes for the period from January 1, 1921 to July 1, 1953 was called 4 people (January 060, 306 in the name of G.M. Malenkov and N.S. Khrushchev sent a letter signed by S.N. Kruglov with the contents of this information).
        This figure was made up of 3777380 convicted for counter-revolutionary crimes and 282926 for other especially dangerous state crimes. The latter were not convicted under the 58th, but under other articles equated to it, and above all under paragraphs. 2 and 3 tbsp. 59 (especially dangerous banditry) and Art. 193-24 (military espionage). For example, part of the Basmachi was convicted not under the 58th, but under the 59th article.

        We have studied the entire statistical reporting set of the Department of Special Settlements of the NKVD-MVD of the USSR. It follows from this that in the 1930-1940s, approximately 2,5 million people were in "kulak exile," of which approximately 2,3 million were dispossessed peasants and approximately 200 were "admixtures" in the form of urban declassed elements, "questionable elements" from border zones, etc. During the specified period (1930-1940), approximately 700 people died there, the overwhelming majority of them in 1930-1933.
        © Zemskov
        Quote: Olgovich
        In what capital country was this done to ITS OWN people?

        Spain at the beginning of Franco's reign. Approximately 80 death sentences for political crimes out of a population of 20 million.
        1. -4
          30 October 2025 11: 06
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: Olgovich
          In 1930 alone, more than 13,453 mass peasant uprisings occurred in the USSR, including 55 open armed uprisings, millions of children exiled, hundreds of thousands executed in a year, many millions of deaths from starvation and cannibalism, millions of prisoners in prison camps, millions of dispossessed

          Let's turn to the numbers.
          At the beginning of 1954, a certificate was issued in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR addressed to N.S. Khrushchev on the number of convicted for counter-revolutionary crimes, that is, under the 58th article of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR and the relevant articles of the Criminal Code of other union republics, for the period 1921-1953. (The document was signed by three people - the Prosecutor General of the USSR PA Rudenko, the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR S.N. Kruglov and the Minister of Justice of the USSR K.P. Gorshenin).
          The document said that, according to information available from the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, for the period from 1921 to the present, that is, before the beginning of 1954, counter-revolutionary crimes were condemned by the OGPU College, NKVD triples, Special Conference, Military Collegium, courts and military tribunals 3777380 people., including to capital punishment - 6429802.
          At the end of 1953, another statement was prepared at the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. On the basis of the statistical reports of the 1st special department of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, the number of persons convicted of counter-revolutionary and other especially dangerous state crimes for the period from January 1, 1921 to July 1, 1953 was called 4 people (January 060, 306 in the name of G.M. Malenkov and N.S. Khrushchev sent a letter signed by S.N. Kruglov with the contents of this information).
          This figure was made up of 3777380 convicted for counter-revolutionary crimes and 282926 for other especially dangerous state crimes. The latter were not convicted under the 58th, but under other articles equated to it, and above all under paragraphs. 2 and 3 tbsp. 59 (especially dangerous banditry) and Art. 193-24 (military espionage). For example, part of the Basmachi was convicted not under the 58th, but under the 59th article.

          We have studied the entire statistical reporting set of the Department of Special Settlements of the NKVD-MVD of the USSR. It follows from this that in the 1930-1940s, approximately 2,5 million people were in "kulak exile," of which approximately 2,3 million were dispossessed peasants and approximately 200 were "admixtures" in the form of urban declassed elements, "questionable elements" from border zones, etc. During the specified period (1930-1940), approximately 700 people died there, the overwhelming majority of them in 1930-1933.
          © Zemskov
          Quote: Olgovich
          In what capital country was this done to ITS OWN people?

          Spain at the beginning of Franco's reign. Approximately 80 death sentences for political crimes out of a population of 20 million.

          Forgive me, but if you have four million people engaged in counter-revolutionary activities (telling jokes, collecting ears of corn), then not everything is smooth in your kingdom.
          1. +4
            30 October 2025 14: 25
            Quote: Panin (Michman)
            but if you have four million who are engaged in counter-revolutionary activities

            but here it would be worthwhile to voice it in more detail
            For example, the kulaks, whom the Soviet authorities had not touched, staged a boycott of bread sales, after which the authorities were forced to begin a fight against them
            After the official end of the civil war, around half a million people took up banditry, simply because they couldn't and didn't want to do anything else—they were used to it. This included commissars, some of whom had led gangs and detachments that had defected to the Soviet side. Just imagine, the leader of a district was a bandit with a mandate from the Revolutionary Committee.
            And there were so many similar consequences of WWI and the Civil War, which lasted almost 10 years from 1914 to 1922, that they weren't fully addressed before World War II. Millions of people were cut off from work and occupied with God knows what, and then couldn't find their place in civilian life.
            When they talk about repressions, they forget that the main fight was against people like these.
            1. +4
              30 October 2025 14: 32
              Just imagine, the boss in the area is a bandit with a mandate from the Revolutionary Committee.
              What's there to imagine? Just think back to the nineties.
              1. +1
                30 October 2025 14: 34
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                What's there to imagine? Just think back to the nineties.

                Well, the bandits there have a different origin.
                1. +3
                  30 October 2025 14: 36
                  Quite a worker-peasant one.
            2. -2
              31 October 2025 14: 16
              Quote: multicaat
              Quote: Panin (Michman)
              but if you have four million who are engaged in counter-revolutionary activities

              but here it would be worthwhile to voice it in more detail
              For example, the kulaks, whom the Soviet authorities had not touched, staged a boycott of bread sales, after which the authorities were forced to begin a fight against them
              After the official end of the civil war, around half a million people took up banditry, simply because they couldn't and didn't want to do anything else—they were used to it. This included commissars, some of whom had led gangs and detachments that had defected to the Soviet side. Just imagine, the leader of a district was a bandit with a mandate from the Revolutionary Committee.
              And there were so many similar consequences of WWI and the Civil War, which lasted almost 10 years from 1914 to 1922, that they weren't fully addressed before World War II. Millions of people were cut off from work and occupied with God knows what, and then couldn't find their place in civilian life.
              When they talk about repressions, they forget that the main fight was against people like these.

              Were Rykov and Bukharin also involved in banditry? And Meyerhold?
              1. +1
                31 October 2025 14: 20
                Quote: Panin (Michman)
                with Bukharin

                I don't remember Rykov and Meyerhold, but Bukharin is responsible for thousands of deaths. He's a bloodthirsty jerk. He's precisely the kind of person who wanted to throw the entire country into the fires of world revolution. He's also the author of the senseless and mercilessly bloody repression of the Weimar Republic, after which British policy toward our country became uncompromisingly hostile. The consequence of this was the Northern War with Finland.
            3. -1
              7 November 2025 02: 43
              Quote: multicaat
              the kulaks, who were not touched by the Soviet authorities, organized a boycott of bread sales,

              Kulaks constituted a maximum of 5-8% of the peasant population. And yet, in addition to the poor peasants, the mainstay of Soviet power, there were also state farms and communes. Why didn't the government buy their grain and ruin the kulaks, who had wasted the capital they had created—the grain they had grown? Apparently, Stalin understood that even with terrible repressions, the only thing the poor could get from them, instead of bread, was civil war. The system of equalization accustoms the population to show-offs and Italian strikes instead of service and work until the government raises wages.
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                7 November 2025 08: 53
                Quote: gsev
                Kulaks made up a maximum of 5-8% of the peasant population. And besides the poor peasants, who were the mainstay of Soviet power, there were also state farms and communes. Why didn't the government buy their grain and ruin the kulaks?

                There were no state farms yet—there were collective farms, communities, and communes. But they were only recently created from the poor and voluntarily, while the kulaks had been organizing for 20 years already. Besides, a kulak isn't just one person; it's also a family and subordinates, as well as a crowd of debtors.
                Who will fight them? The commune? It hasn't yet gained strength. The kulaks were left alone, tolerated, because before the collective farms, they were the only unifying force and somehow maintained production levels, but that was until they began a concerted boycott of sales. And why are you talking about the kulaks being ruined? What's the point? Expropriation occurred during the fight against the boycott, and those who resisted were punished. But there was no destruction. Moreover, the collaborating kulaks were allowed to keep their houses, livestock, and some supplies.
                Quote: gsev
                Stalin understood that even with terrible repressions the poor could only get civil war instead of bread.

                Where do you get this logic about violence and repression? The Soviet government didn't even think about it until the kulaks started an economic war—there's no other word for it.
                And again, what's the point of violence for the sake of violence? What if you torture a slave more, will you get more of some product? That's just idiotic.
                Let me remind you that communist power is power in the councils, Soviet power, and the power of SELF-GOVERNMENT at the local level. There is no particular violence involved.
                Another issue is that the level of education and morality among those who somehow rose to power at the local level was far from always adequate. There were many who simply settled scores, played games of "I'm the boss, you're the boss," and simply reveled in power—these were plentiful in the 20s and 30s. And, in fact, after the official civil war ended in 1922, they continued to wage their own war against their neighbors. This couldn't be changed without a comprehensive campaign of public education and agitation, and it began. As Stalin said, "We don't have any Hindenburgs for you." Personnel issues only began to be significantly resolved in the late 30s, just before the war—a conscientious population inclined to live peacefully and with discipline became the majority.
        2. +7
          30 October 2025 11: 09
          The document stated that, according to data available to the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, from 1921 to the present, that is, until the beginning of 1954, 3,777,380 people were convicted of counter-revolutionary crimes by the OGPU Collegium, NKVD troikas, the Special Conference, the Military Collegium, courts and military tribunals, including 6,429,802 who were sentenced to capital punishment.
          Cut the sturgeon laughing
          1. +6
            30 October 2025 15: 52
            Quote: Marrr
            Cut the sturgeon

            Thank you for your attention. hi
            The correct figure is 642,980 people.
            That's it, you look through the numbering of the footnotes - and the number of those executed immediately increases by an order of magnitude.
        3. -6
          30 October 2025 12: 20
          Zemskov: - in total, about 4 million people were dispossessed (the exact number is difficult to establish), of which 2,176,600 were exiled to the kulaks in the 1930s and 1940s.

          A quarter are CHILDREN, i.e. a million and a million exiled children of repressed peoples, i.e. MILLIONS of robbed and exiled children.

          Pavlov's certificate - 37-38 - 682 thousand deaths per 160 million, Franco lagged behind, and Germany in 37-38 lagged behind by 3000 times...

          Where was this:
          ...
          Statement by a cadet of the NKVD school in Pravda 1939, ISTMAT:
          He led us into the next room and showed us how to interrogate, and with one kick to the arrested man's stomach, he knocked him to the ground, and his assistant, Neiman, stomped on his chest and stomach, after which the arrested man jumped out the window and killed himself. As a result of this interrogation, the second arrested man, a doctor, jumped out the window, broke his leg, and was sent to the hospital only after he signed the unread report. Otherwise, he lay on the floor in the room.

          Assistant Neiman specifically walked around the rooms of the cadet investigators and taught them how to conduct interrogations, showing us new forms he had invented beatings from which several people died in the prison hospitalBy order of Tomin, 87 people were placed in a turret under the department premises, in a single cell that could barely accommodate 30 people, and were forbidden to be given water. Later 8 people suffocated to death within a couple of hours, and the ninth teacher went crazy - lost his mind, then Tomin, Petrov and Neiman with a cadet (the physical education teacher - he was the strongest one in our school [of cadets,] I forgot his last name) took him to the cellar and executed without trial, and the prison doctor was forced to draw up a false report, with the help of Prison Warden Abramov, claiming the teacher had also suffocated. Among those suffocated was an 18- or 19-year-old Komsomol secretary from the Monastyrsky District, and all of them died two days after their arrest.


          PETROV, NE[Y]MAN, ABRAMOVICH AND TOMIN in the cellar beaten with stones An arrested NKVD officer was forced to sign a confession, and then killed. They took the dead man's overcoat for themselves, and Abramovich wore it. Petrov, the commandant, himself told about this, and you can find the coat on him. They also used young and beautiful women, one 17-year-old girl, the daughter of a planner or laboratory assistant at the Monastyrsky District sugar factory, and another, the wife of the division's political department chief, and then they were shot, and Petrov inserted a wooden pin into the genitals of the murdered women..

          These unconvicted women probably died free according to documents.
          1. -1
            7 November 2025 02: 46
            Quote: Olgovich
            A quarter are CHILDREN, i.e. a million and a million exiled children of repressed peoples, i.e. MILLIONS of robbed and exiled children.

            In the village of Sibirovka, all the children of kulaks and podkulakniks exiled to Kazakhstan who were under 7-10 years old at the time of dispossession died within about 5 years of exile.
            1. -1
              7 November 2025 12: 40
              Quote: gsev
              In the village of Sibirovka, among the kulaks and podkulakniks exiled to Kazakhstan, all the children who were under 7-10 years old at the time of dispossession died within about 5 years of exile.

              And now they ask: where are the children? And there they are...

              My relatives from near Pochep, 9 people (six children) - were thrown out of a train into the snow - line up, settle in!

              Sniguli was completely destroyed - only one girl survived; the escort took her back to the station for Nikolaev's gold...she remained silent until 1985, she was afraid all her life...
      5. 0
        11 March 2026 00: 09
        So, who predicted Olgovich? He came, shot by the Bolsheviks and entangled in every conceivable and inconceivable concentration camp, shot and exiled. I wonder, who were Olgovich's ancestors in Tsarist Russia? Were the people flogged with whips? Or were revolutionaries hanged?
        Olgovich, did this manifesto give any rights to those same peasants whom your ancestors flogged?
    6. +2
      30 October 2025 09: 41
      The children suffered because they were born into the wrong family.

      Like the son of Marina Mnishek and Ataman Zarutsky, Ivan Antonovich... But it had to be that way, and no one condemns it, it had to be that way. And the children of the royal family, it turns out, this is not our method. And they all have one thing in common: they were born into the wrong family. smile
    7. 0
      30 October 2025 11: 03
      Quote: kebeskin
      Quote: Glock-17
      The October Manifesto is a good example of how one should not make political concessions under pressure, especially when one still has the strength to support one. Nicholas II continued to prove himself a spineless leader, thinking more about his family than his country. Ultimately, he lost both.



      Alexandra Feodorovna's commitment to resolving complex social issues with whips, ramrods, and bullets—for the last emperor was prepared to shoot and flog the bulk of the population at the first opportunity, except when it came to counts and princes—resulted in her husband being deliberately "wound up"—and led to exactly what happened to him and his family. It turned out that a Russian peasant was no less skilled with a whip than a nobleman, hitting hard and very painfully. One could even accidentally die from a fatal dose of lead in the body.

      I feel a little sorry for the children of the last emperor. They committed no particular sins against society—except, perhaps, their parasitic lifestyle. The children suffered because they were born into the wrong family.

      Bonus: the achievements of the Russian Empire during the reign of Nicholas II

      1896, May 18 - During his coronation on Khodynka Field, more than 5000 people died in a stampede that arose due to the criminal mismanagement of tsarist officials;
      1901, May 7 - Execution of Obukhov workers;
      1902, November - Execution of Rostov workers: killed - 6, wounded - 20;
      1903, March 11 - Execution of workers at the Zlatoust arms factory: 60 killed, 200 injured;
      1903, July 14 - Execution of striking railway workers: 10 killed, 18 wounded;
      1903, July 23 - Shooting of a demonstration in Kyiv: killed - 4, wounded - 27;
      1903, August 7 - Execution of workers in Yekaterinburg: killed - 16, wounded - 48;
      1904, December 13 - Execution of workers in Baku: killed - 5, wounded - 40;
      1905, January 9 - Bloody Sunday in St. Petersburg, shooting of a peaceful workers' march: 1200 killed, more than 5000 wounded;
      1905, January 12 - Shooting of a workers' demonstration in Riga: 127 killed, over 200 wounded;
      1905, June 18 - Shooting of a demonstration in Lodz: killed - 10, wounded - 40;
      1905, September 5 - The shameful Portsmouth Peace with Japan: Russia's losses in the war are 400,000 people;
      1905, November 15 - The cruiser Ochakov and other mutinous ships of the Black Sea Fleet were shot down. Thousands of Sevastopol sailors died;
      1906, July 4 - 28 participants in the sailors' rebellion in Sveaborg were sentenced to death;
      1907, June 3 - The "holy" tsar disperses the Duma. By this time, a total of 14 people had been hanged or shot;
      1911 - "Tsar Famine", which took the lives of 300 thousand people;
      1912, April 4 - Execution of striking workers at the Lena goldfields: 254 people killed;
      1914, June 3 - Shooting of a meeting of Putilov workers in St. Petersburg;
      1915, August 10 - Shooting of a demonstration in Ivanovo-Voznesensk: 30 killed, 53 wounded;
      1914 – The beginning of the imperialist war. During the war, 856,000 Russian soldiers were killed, 2,8 million were wounded, and 3,4 million soldiers and officers were captured.

      I can also give you some achievements from the Bolsheviks’ side:
      Peace with Finland in 1940. Red Army losses: 140 dead, 40 missing.
      Suppression of the Kronstadt rebellion,
      The shooting of workers in Novocherkassk in 1962
      Polish War. Red Army losses: 70 soldiers killed, 80 captured.
      1941: The beginning of the imperialist war. The USSR suffered 26 million casualties, including 8-13 million military losses.
      Stalin's purges. 1937-53. The number of people repressed was at least 1 million.
      Suppression of unrest in Temirtau in 1959. The number of dead, according to official data, was 12 people.
      And this is far from all.
      Any government will suppress protests, demonstrations and rebellions that threaten the existing order.
      Try searching for "rebellions in the USSR" or something.
    8. +3
      30 October 2025 15: 12
      I feel a little sorry for the children of the last emperor...
      I feel sorry for those peasant children or children of workers who died after only a few days of life. And they were the majority. After all, according to the 1898 Russian census, the average life expectancy was 29-30 years. How could this happen, when rich people lived into their 80s, like the Tsar's mother?
      1. -2
        30 October 2025 15: 31
        Quote: Reptiloid
        I feel a little sorry for the children of the last emperor...
        I feel sorry for those peasant children or children of workers who died after only a few days of life. And they were the majority. After all, according to the 1898 Russian census, the average life expectancy was 29-30 years. How could this happen, when rich people lived into their 80s, like the Tsar's mother?

        There have always been exceptions. Even now, Putin will live to be 90, while the average age of men is 65.
        The harm of standing at a machine and governing a country is slightly different.
        1. 0
          30 October 2025 15: 34
          How many lives less than a year old must be added to 80 to get an average of 30?
          1. -1
            30 October 2025 16: 23
            Quote: Reptiloid
            How many lives less than a year old must be added to 80 to get an average of 30?

            By the way, Alexander 3 had one son who died at one year old and another at 30.
            Alexander II had one daughter who died at the age of 7, and a son at the age of 22.
            Nikolai's first daughter died at the age of 21.
            1. 0
              30 October 2025 17: 45
              That's the point! If it's like that with the lords, then it's like that with the lower classes.
              1. 0
                30 October 2025 18: 22
                Quote: Reptiloid
                That's the point! If it's like that with the lords, then it's like that with the lower classes.

                Well, penicillin hadn't been invented yet. The general level of medicine was the same in all countries. Well, you can also compare the current level with the Soviet Union or other countries.
                By the way, how about a comparison of the current standard of living in Russia and England?
                1. +2
                  30 October 2025 19: 49
                  Well, penicillin hasn't been invented yet.
                  Penicillin doesn't help against influenza.
                  1. +1
                    31 October 2025 07: 51
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    Well, penicillin hasn't been invented yet.
                    Penicillin doesn't help against influenza.

                    But it helps against infections caused by childbed fever and pneumonia.
                2. +1
                  30 October 2025 21: 49
                  A single bus ride in London is £1,75, on the tube £6,7, a trip to Oxford (80 km) is £25 by bus, £35 by train, a glass of beer in a bar is £5-7 + 15% mandatory tip, a burger is £10-15.
                  1. +2
                    31 October 2025 07: 54
                    Quote: faiver
                    A single bus ride in London is £1,75, on the tube £6,7, a trip to Oxford (80 km) is £25 by bus, £35 by train, a glass of beer in a bar is £5-7 + 15% mandatory tip, a burger is £10-15.

                    You have to understand that everyone from there is fleeing to Russia?
                    1. +1
                      31 October 2025 08: 08
                      Can you show me where I wrote something like this?
                  2. 0
                    31 October 2025 07: 59
                    Quote: faiver
                    A single bus ride in London is £1,75, on the tube £6,7, a trip to Oxford (80 km) is £25 by bus, £35 by train, a glass of beer in a bar is £5-7 + 15% mandatory tip, a burger is £10-15.

                    Comparing where things cost how much is completely biased without comparing incomes. Because with our salary, it's expensive, but with theirs? They don't get paid what we do.
                    1. 0
                      31 October 2025 08: 18
                      because with our salary it's expensive
                      - What about ours? I know people who earn 150, 250, 350 rubles, as well as people who earn 40 rubles. Salaries in London vary, too, but London is, by definition, a very expensive city, as is the rest of Britain, as well as Western Europe.
                      1. 0
                        31 October 2025 08: 23
                        Quote: faiver
                        - with which of ours?

                        With an average, of course... it's the most suitable tool for this... in the Russian Federation it's 70 thousand rubles, in Britain it's 282 thousand rubles... so divide the prices you cited by 4, for a proper comparison with the realities of the Russian Federation hi
                      2. 0
                        31 October 2025 08: 35
                        So I'm not comparing anything - I don't need to, I just gave you an example of real numbers... hi
            2. +3
              30 October 2025 17: 54
              another at 30.
              George died at the age of 28.
              1. +1
                30 October 2025 18: 19
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                another at 30.
                George died at the age of 28.

                I wrote it from memory
                1. +1
                  30 October 2025 19: 43
                  I wrote it from memory
                  Is accepted.
          2. -3
            30 October 2025 16: 36
            Quote: Reptiloid
            How many lives less than a year old must be added to 80 to get an average of 30?

            In England 1900:
            According to statistics, in the mid-19th century, the average life expectancy was between 15 and 40 years.
            The average age of men was: in 1821 – 25,13 years; in 1841 – 25,49 years; in 1851 – 25,87 years.
            By the way, the average life expectancy in the 19th century:
            England - 33 years old.
            Russia - 32 years old.

            In the 2014 year:
            England - 81,06 years
            Russia - 70,3 years
            1. 0
              7 November 2025 02: 53
              Quote: Panin (Michman)
              By the way, the average life expectancy in the 19th century:
              England - 33 years old.
              Russia - 32 years old.

              Sergei Kara-Murza provides somewhat different data. Moldovans and Ukrainians had an average life expectancy of around 40 years at the beginning of the 20th century, while Russians had a life expectancy of just over 20 years.
        2. +3
          30 October 2025 15: 39
          The harm of standing at a machine and governing a country is slightly different.
          Slightly different medical care.
      2. 0
        30 October 2025 17: 27
        Quote: Reptiloid
        How did this happen if rich people lived to be over 80 years old, like the Tsar’s mother.

        The Tsar's mother, Dima, outlived all her sons.
        Quote: Reptiloid
        But I feel sorry for those peasant children or workers' children

        Ah, I feel sorry for stray dogs and homeless cats.
        1. 0
          30 October 2025 17: 51
          Quote: bober1982
          ......
          Quote: Reptiloid
          But I feel sorry for those peasant children or workers' children

          Ah, I feel sorry for stray dogs and homeless cats.
          But I didn’t expect such bravado of cruelty towards workers and peasants, towards their dying children, even from you, Vladimir.
    9. 0
      10 March 2026 23: 54
      In any case, the events of 1917 did not happen out of nowhere...
  5. 12+
    30 October 2025 05: 13
    They simply suppressed popular discontent. In essence, nothing changed. All this merely delayed the end of the empire, but didn't save it. And the authorities, just as they considered the common people slaves who had to remain silent and obey, continued to regard them as voiceless cattle.
  6. +3
    30 October 2025 05: 30
    I remember it was the Black Hundreds who organized the famous assassination attempt on Count Witte.
    The investigation established that the explosives were planted by revolutionary-minded workers on the orders of Alexander Kazantsev, who, according to the preliminary investigation, was an agent of the secret police and also a member of the Union of the Russian People. Why did Witte displease the Black Hundreds? As historian Sergei Stepanov notes, according to their logic, Witte was one of the secret leaders of the revolution...
    The Black Hundreds also made their mark in various pogroms against ethnic minorities. These are the saviors...
    1. -3
      30 October 2025 06: 02
      Witte sought to establish a constitutional monarchy in the Russian Empire; in fact, he was one of the main culprits behind the Russian Empire's defeat in the Russian Empire, so the Black Hundreds' assassination attempt on him is very logical...
      1. +2
        30 October 2025 07: 51
        Quote: faiver
        Witte sought to establish a constitutional monarchy in the Russian Empire, and in fact, he was one of the main culprits behind the defeat.

        Witte was a high-ranking Freemason, the unofficial leader of the liberal clan in the country, and, unfortunately, this is not Black Hundred nonsense.
        All these strikes and walkouts, as well as the shootings, could only have taken place with the alliance of the liberal bourgeoisie and the proletariat (led by the socialists)
        Witte was a minor official in Odessa, selling train tickets, then began a dizzying career growth, promoted by his own people.
      2. 0
        30 October 2025 08: 21
        Quote: faiver
        Witte sought to establish a constitutional monarchy in the Russian Empire.

        Yes, that's right, by the way, he didn't need any upheaval in the country, task number 1 was to remove the tsar from power, for this reason Witte promoted the adoption of the October Manifesto.
        After the Tsar made concessions, the liberal clan partially calmed down, and their alliance with the socialists fell apart - they wanted to continue putting pressure on the government, which caused an outbreak of all kinds of unrest after the adoption of the manifesto.
        Nicholas II had no chance of maintaining order in the country and power; the forces were unequal; only that very "deep people" mentioned in the country were on his side, and that was all.
    2. +5
      30 October 2025 10: 18
      Quote: kebeskin
      The investigation established that the explosives were planted by revolutionary-minded workers on the orders of Alexander Kazantsev, who, according to the preliminary investigation, was an agent of the secret police and also a member of the Union of the Russian People. What did Witte do to displease the Black Hundreds?

      Why the Black Hundreds? Perhaps the secret police (or rather, the people behind it)? This outfit loved, knew, and practiced political assassinations. They had an entire combat team dedicated to this, led by the notorious agent Raskin.
      In general, of course, the picture is surreal - an agent of the security department directs the murders of the highest figures of the Empire, including his boss and even a member of the Family.
  7. +5
    30 October 2025 05: 57
    Samsonov, I don't recognize you. bully
    It was a mistake to include a photo of Nikolaev's Chubais in the article. bully
  8. +3
    30 October 2025 05: 59
    Quote: Glock-17
    In Nazi Germany, the people fought to the last and never rebelled against the NSDAP. Any opposition there was nipped in the bud with lead and whips. In Ukraine today, there's not the slightest precondition for internal unrest. All this is possible with adequate funding, a powerful police apparatus, and ideological indoctrination. It turns out that you can't be a bit of a democrat and a bit of a dictator, especially in wartime.


    Ordinary Germans fully supported Nazi ideas—their charismatic leader, the elimination of unemployment, achievements in foreign policy, propaganda, and promises to deal with the Bolsheviks (whom everyone feared). There were assassination attempts on Hitler, but many saw the success and consequences. Oppose fascism (the open terrorist dictatorship of the most chauvinistic and imperialistic elements of financial capital). Their fate would be unenviable, especially since many were comfortable with this way of life. We remember how ordinary Germans "had fun" on our population. And these aren't stories about how the German Hans gave a chocolate bar to his family, but about millions of civilian lives.
    1. +1
      30 October 2025 06: 19
      We're not talking about the initial period of Nazi rule. Hitler was indeed a messiah for the Germans back then. However, towards the end of the war, when it became clear the war was lost, the lower classes didn't rebel because the repressive apparatus, the Gestapo, was working like clockwork at full speed. A conspiracy of generals is a different matter. I gave you one historical example where social issues were resolved quite successfully with the help of "the whip, the ramrod, and the bullet."
      1. +1
        30 October 2025 06: 32
        Let's not forget that solving problems using such methods did not end well for their creators.
        1. +1
          30 October 2025 06: 54
          In fact, we are not talking about military-political miscalculations, but about methods of controlling the masses.
    2. +2
      30 October 2025 09: 19
      Quote: kebeskin
      Ordinary Germans fully supported Nazi ideas.

      This was a normal reaction to the "peace" conditions that were imposed on Germany.
      Every German felt cheated and cheated. Hitler merely spearheaded this process, and while there were plenty of willing participants, he dealt with many.
  9. +4
    30 October 2025 06: 18
    A demonstration of the Black Hundreds in Odessa shortly after the announcement of the Manifesto of October 17, 1905. Photograph from the Illustrated London News

    The "poor" (illiterate) young Black Hundred member didn't even bother to properly place the flag on the pole...
    What's there to comment on? Soon they'll be forcing people to write reviews of the series "Chronicles of the Russian Revolution"...
    1. +2
      30 October 2025 09: 29
      If it's a black-yellow-white flag, then only it is literate...
      1. +2
        30 October 2025 10: 51
        Quote: tabex
        If it's a black-yellow-white flag, then only it is literate...

        They are all right...
        As an example:
        ...In accordance with this, on May 14, 1896 The coronation of Emperor Nicholas II took place with many white-blue-red flags, although black-yellow-white banners were also used for decoration. Participants in the coronation were given white, blue, and red breast ribbons, and guests of honor were presented with commemorative medals on white, blue, and red ribbons. This did not prevent the public on the day of the coronation from "admiring the enormous three-fathom flags of the state colors of black, yellow, and white... on one of the best streets in Kharkov."
    2. +3
      30 October 2025 10: 15
      Soon they will force people to write reviews of the TV series "Chronicles of the Russian Revolution"...

      What's there to write about? There's only one conclusion: whoever gives the girl dinner gets to dance with her. Kolobok, of course, and Cheburashka.
  10. +2
    30 October 2025 06: 30
    Quote: faiver
    I am not Olgovich, and I was never a supporter of Nicholas II, but the figures given above do not correspond with either official or historical research; they are most likely taken from propaganda denouncing autocracy... hi


    If the numbers don't add up, then show us the actual numbers and sources they support. Unfounded accusations in propaganda and research are just empty words. Provide a constructive justification.
    1. +1
      30 October 2025 08: 24
      Provide a constructive justification.
      - laughingSo you write whatever you want, and I have to justify and substantiate my comments? I'm not getting paid for this.
      Please provide reliable sources
      1896, May 18 - During his coronation on Khodynka Field, more than 5000 people died in a stampede that arose due to the criminal mismanagement of tsarist officials;

      1905, January 9 - Bloody Sunday in St. Petersburg, shooting of a peaceful workers' march: 1200 killed, more than 5000 wounded;
  11. +7
    30 October 2025 06: 36
    In my opinion, it wasn't the Bolsheviks who destroyed the Empire, but the Imperial Court and Nicholas II himself, and of course the then "organ" known as the State Duma. Even in 1991, even a modern "organ" shouldn't be called the Duma because of this damned practice alone. Stolypin himself, after the assassination attempt, said, dying, that he had knocked down the revolutionaries' arrogance and danger, but he couldn't reach the main danger—that is, Nicholas II's entourage.
    By the way, if they had convened the Zemsky Sobor in the years 1905-1917 and not this State Duma, there would have been no sense and no point
    There wouldn't have been a Zemsky Sobor, like the Zemsky Sobor of 1613, when the first Romanov tsar was elected. There was no one to replace the dynasty from 1905-1917. Just like with the dynasty of General Secretaries of the CPSU after Brezhnev's death—there was no one to replace the communist dynasty from... Everyone gaped at Gorbachev and his ilk and applauded Gorbachev at party meetings. Oh, how they applauded him...
    1. -2
      30 October 2025 08: 09
      Just like with the dynasty of General Secretaries of the CPSU after Brezhnev's death, there was no one to replace the communist dynasty... Everyone gaped at Gorbachev and his ilk and applauded Gorbachev at party meetings. Oh, how they applauded him...

      Before writing such things, familiarize yourself with Gorbachev's personnel policy.
      For example, according to the books [Kara-Murza S. G. Soviet Civilization. Moscow: EKSMO-Press Publishing House, 2002], [V. N. Shved, Who Are You, Mr. Gorbachev? A History of Mistakes and Betrayals. Moscow: Veche, 2016.]
      1. 0
        7 November 2025 03: 07
        Quote: October

        Before writing such things, familiarize yourself with Gorbachev's personnel policy.

        Putin appointed General Maximov to smooth over disputes between former military personnel and bureaucrats. A former intelligence officer, through Maximov, attempted to obtain the return of property confiscated during her eviction from her Moscow service apartment while she was away. Outraged that Maximov had cited Belousov, Solovyova declared that she would force the former veteran of the second Chechen war to grovel on her knees and beg forgiveness for every word of her statement demanding the return of property acquired while serving Putin and Russia. She also claimed that little green men like Belousov and Maximov were no defense for the military against all-powerful Moscow officials who received kickbacks from construction companies for the swift eviction of tenants.
        1. 0
          7 November 2025 08: 16
          What does this have to do with the issue under discussion?
    2. +3
      30 October 2025 08: 18
      However, your "Liberator" Gorbachev, the enemies of the USSR, changed them in a very real way - he changed the true communists, according to their convictions, for those with whom he destroyed the USSR, handed over the country and people to their external and internal enemies and criminals.
      "It started from the very top, "at the April (1989) Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU, 110 people elected only three years ago at the XNUMXth Congress were sent into retirement."

      After which 66% of the first secretaries of the regional committees were replaced. The same thing happened below. Earlier, Yeltsin, who led the CPSU MGK, replaced 60% of the first secretaries of the district committees.

      According to foreign estimates (Mond), in general cleansing 1985-1990. in scale (86%) surpassed the purges of 1935-1939 (77%)

    3. +5
      30 October 2025 08: 32
      Quote: north 2
      Just because of this damned practice, even in 1991 it would not have been worthwhile to call the modern “organ” the Duma.

      At that time, the Duma, although it contradicted the Tsar and even defended something there, the Tsar and the Government had to act with an eye on it, one way or another laughing
      P.S. I'm not saying that they did something mega good, just as a fact, in comparison...
      1. -2
        30 October 2025 10: 18
        The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        At that time, the Duma at least contradicted the Tsar and even defended something there

        She defended it so strongly that practically nothing remained of Russia...

        The current Duma acts more cunningly - it adopts laws in which only one thing remains unchanged - the name, but its essence changes to the opposite.

        There are Duma elections next year. Don't be fooled. After more than 30 years, it's time to realize that the current (long-serving) ones are useless and never will be!
        1. +1
          30 October 2025 11: 13
          Quote: Boris55
          The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

          Quote: Level 2 Advisor
          At that time, the Duma at least contradicted the Tsar and even defended something there

          She defended it so strongly that practically nothing remained of Russia...

          The current Duma acts more cunningly - it adopts laws in which only one thing remains unchanged - the name, but its essence changes to the opposite.

          There are Duma elections next year. Don't be fooled. After more than 30 years, it's time to realize that the current (long-serving) ones are useless and never will be!

          What, Boris, are you against United Russia and Elbasy?
          1. +1
            30 October 2025 11: 40
            Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

            Quote: Panin (Michman)
            Boris, are you against United Russia and Elbasy?

            Yes. I am against the Trotskyists (CPRF) and the Vlassossians (United Russia). I am a Bolshevik.

            ps
            The essence of Bolshevism is in the sincere desire to express and implement the long-term strategic interests of the working majority, who want no one to parasitize on their labor and life.
        2. 0
          8 November 2025 11: 23
          Quote: Boris55
          After more than 30 years, it’s time to understand that the current ones (those who have been sitting for too long) are of no use and will not be!

          The level of anti-vaccination sentiment in the Communist Party of the Russian Federation (CPRF) leadership was higher than in United Russia. This dismal figure has now made me cautious about voting. Previously, I mostly supported the CPRF. Furthermore, while United Russia holds primaries in Lobnya for every election, and the competition there is fiercer than in real elections, the CPRF is stewing in its own juices. I just learned of the expulsion of Yanchuk, a communist who had previously won local elections as an independent, from the CPRF-backed candidates. In the last election, the Communists split, and Yanchuk and the candidate from the CPRF bureaucracy in Moscow lost the election miserably.
    4. +8
      30 October 2025 10: 21
      Quote: north 2
      In my opinion, it was not the Bolsheviks who destroyed the Empire, but the Imperial Court and Nicholas II himself and, of course, the then “organ” known as the State Duma.

      As for the Bolsheviks... if the Empire could be destroyed by a party of 20,000 people, a third of whom were in prison, exile, and exile, then such an Empire is not worth a penny.
      1. +1
        30 October 2025 10: 32
        The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

        Quote: Alexey RA
        As for the Bolsheviks... if a party of 20,000 people could destroy the Empire

        Let's look at Ukraine. Two percent of moral monsters seized control of the country and threw the people into a fratricidal war.

        The destruction of Stalin's USSR and the construction of the new NEP 2.0 began with the rise to power of the Trotskyist Khrushchev. He introduced closed party meetings, which allowed him to purge the party of Bolsheviks and Stalinist cadres. It took them 40 years to achieve final victory over the USSR.

        ps
        The essence of Bolshevism is in the sincere desire to express and implement the long-term strategic interests of the working majority, who want no one to parasitize on their labor and life.
        1. 0
          30 October 2025 11: 21
          Let's look at Ukraine. Two percent of moral monsters seized control of the country and threw the people into a fratricidal war.
          - actively supported from abroad with money and weapons, I hope you will draw the analogy yourself....
          1. +3
            30 October 2025 11: 30
            Bolshevism is the essence of Russian civilization.

            Quote: faiver
            supported from abroad with money and weapons

            Naturally. The locals have neither. The authorities are happy with everything, but the people themselves are incapable of self-organization.

            Let's not forget about the egregorial-matrix control, which is much more powerful than others.
        2. +1
          30 October 2025 15: 55
          Quote: Boris55
          Let's look at Ukraine. Two percent of moral monsters seized control of the country and threw the people into a fratricidal war.

          So I write - penny price.

          And yet we're told about a great and mighty Empire that was destroyed by political marginals. So, either the Empire wasn't all that great and mighty, or it wasn't these marginals who destroyed it.
      2. -1
        30 October 2025 13: 47
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: north 2
        In my opinion, it was not the Bolsheviks who destroyed the Empire, but the Imperial Court and Nicholas II himself and, of course, the then “organ” known as the State Duma.

        As for the Bolsheviks... if the Empire could be destroyed by a party of 20,000 people, a third of whom were in prison, exile, and exile, then such an Empire is not worth a penny.

        Well, the USSR wasn't worth a dime back then. In 1991, the population was also promised a life like the West.
        1. +2
          30 October 2025 16: 01
          Quote: Panin (Michman)
          Well, the USSR wasn't worth a dime back then. In 1991, the population was also promised a life like the West.

          That's one thing. But on the other, they fed us stories from the stands about unprecedented harvests, weight gains, and milk yields. This was against the backdrop of the introduction of coupons in the regions rationing 500 grams of meat and 200 grams of butter per month (several years before the Moscow Olympics).
          Moreover, the grandstand talkers lived by no means by these standards, shopping at special distribution centers. And the people saw it.
          Already in the late 70s, they wrote to the Central Committee and Pravda that people were losing faith in the party...

          In general, 1991 became a logical result of the CPSU rule.
          1. 0
            31 October 2025 13: 12
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Against the backdrop of the introduction of coupons in the regions with rations of 500 grams of meat and 200 grams of butter per month (several years before the Moscow Olympics).


            One of the first to put his region on rationing rationing was Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, the regional party committee secretary. But our people, evidently from their great wisdom, saw in him a deliverer from shortages and a fighter against the privileges of the party nomenklatura.
            When Yeltsin became president, the capital's junior deputy mayor began to enjoy standards of personal well-being that members of the Soviet Politburo could never have dreamed of.
            But, characteristically, such "natural results of the rule" of the current elite are not even visible on the horizon.
            1. 0
              31 October 2025 15: 52
              Quote: Illanatol
              One of the first to put his region on coupons was the regional committee secretary, Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin.

              When I saw the list of cities with a coupon system, to put it mildly, I was morphing.
              We demand to improve the supply of food products and be sure to introduce coupons for meat and dairy products, as was introduced in the cities of Sverdlovsk, N. Tagil, Kizel, Gubakha, Gorky, Izhevsk and others.
              © Letter from workers of the Ural Chemical Plant to the CPSU Central Committee and local party bodies with a request for the introduction of food stamps. May 1979
              The only cities missing to complete the set are Severodvinsk and Komsomolsk-on-Amur. And Chelyabinsk... although they introduced coupons there in the early 80s.
              Quote: Illanatol
              But our people, apparently from great intelligence, saw in him a savior from shortages and a fighter against party nomenklatura privileges.

              Let's say a big thank you to the Propaganda and Agitation Department of the CPSU Central Committee, which, through its actions and inactions, created the image of Yeltsin as a "persecuted fighter for the people's cause"—a fighter against the system and for the people's cause. And our people love that kind of guy. Just recently, for example, they labeled a man as a fighter against the system and for the people's cause, even though his company had been signing dubious contracts with the Ministry of Defense for a decade.
              1. 0
                7 November 2025 08: 21
                Letter from workers of the Ural Chemical Plant to the CPSU Central Committee and local party bodies requesting the introduction of food stamps. May 1979.
                The only cities missing to complete the set are Severodvinsk and Komsomolsk-on-Amur. And Chelyabinsk... although they introduced coupons there in the early 80s.

                Lie. Ufa, until the late 80s, there were no coupons. As for the early 80s, I traveled all over the country for the Olympics, and I didn't see any coupons.
                Provide convincing links to your coupons from the early 80s, not wiki.
          2. 0
            7 November 2025 08: 23
            That's one thing. But on the other, they fed us stories from the stands about unprecedented harvests, weight gains, and milk yields. This was against the backdrop of the introduction of coupons in the regions rationing 500 grams of meat and 200 grams of butter per month (several years before the Moscow Olympics).

            When you talk about things like this, give exact dates. There were coupons in the late 80s, but not before that. Or do you think I was blind?
            1. 0
              7 November 2025 18: 24
              Quote: October
              When you talk about things like this, give exact dates. There were coupons in the late 80s, but not before that. Or do you think I was blind?

              You simply had a city of a different supply category.
              The system of selling meat to the population using coupons was introduced in February 1977. Depending on resources, standards for the sale of meat and poultry are established.
              In 1979, with a meat ration of 453 tons, 240 tons were sold to the population; 60 tons were sold to war invalids and diabetics; 153 tons were spent on social welfare institutions. In January-February, with a meat ration of 80 tons Sales under coupons amounted to 70 tons at 0,5 kg per person per month.
              In 1979, 265 tons of butter were sold to the public, out of a 337-ton reserve. In January, no butter was sold due to a lack of resources. In February and March, 30 tons were sold using coupons, out of a 37-ton reserve. 200 gr. per person per month.
              © Letter from the Deputy Head of the Trade Department of the Perm Regional Executive Committee I.N. Volkov to the Perm Regional Committee of the CPSU about the results of the audit of the Chusovsky auction. April 11, 1980
              https://docs.historyrussia.org/ru/nodes/103539-pismo-zamestitelya-nachalnika-upravleniya-torgovli-permskogo-oblispolkoma-i-n-volkova-v-permskiy-obkom-kpss-o-rezultatah-proverki-chusovskogo-torga-11-aprelya-1980-g
              Here is a list of cities with coupons for 1979:
              We, workers at the Ural Chemical Plant, can't buy anything in our stores. We have absolutely nothing to feed our families with. Is it really impossible to somehow improve the food situation in this day and age? We demand improved food supplies and the introduction of rationing coupons for meat and dairy products, as has been done in Sverdlovsk, Nizhny Tagil, Kizel, Gubakha, Gorky, Izhevsk, and other cities.
              © Letter from workers of the Ural Chemical Plant to the CPSU Central Committee and local party bodies with a request for the introduction of food stamps. May 1979
              https://docs.historyrussia.org/ru/nodes/103535-pismo-rabochih-uralskogo-himicheskogo-zavoda-v-tsk-kpss-i-mestnye-partiynye-organy-s-prosboy-o-vvedenii-prodovolstvennyh-talonov-may-1979-g

              And this is not Vika. This is a digitization of a collection of archival documents: Society and Power. Russian Provinces. 1917-1985: Documents and Materials in 6 Volumes. Perm Krai. Vol. 2. 1941-1985 / Institute of History and Archaeology, Ural Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Perm Krai Archival Agency; Editor-in-chief: Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences V.V. Alekseev, editor-in-chief: Doctor of Historical Sciences A.B. Suslov. — Yekaterinburg: Bank of Cultural Information, 2008. — 688 p.
          3. 0
            7 November 2025 08: 28
            From 1985 to 1991, under Gorbachev's watchful leadership, the CPSU was divided into two parts: the overwhelming majority, members of the party's primary cells and pro-socialism, and the elite, led by Gorbachev, who constituted the overwhelming minority and were restoring capitalism. When you speak of the party, which part are you referring to?
            And if you don’t specify which one, and try to talk about everyone, then you’re just a demagogue.
            1. 0
              7 November 2025 18: 31
              Quote: October
              From 1985 to 1991, under Gorbachev's watchful leadership, the CPSU was divided into two parts: the overwhelming majority, members of the party's primary cells and pro-socialism, and the elite, led by Gorbachev, who constituted the overwhelming minority and were restoring capitalism. When you speak of the party, which part are you referring to?

              Both sides. The one that built its own personal communism. And the one that silently tolerated it all, year after year choosing "fat cats" to support itself.
              Remember how the entire party persecuted Nina Andreeva? Or how the future gravediggers of the USSR were unanimously elected to the leadership?
              Silence is a sign of consent. And so they remained silent until December 1991.
              1. 0
                8 November 2025 17: 54
                You simply had a city of a different supply category.
                The system of selling meat to the population using coupons was introduced in February 1977...
                This is a digitization of a collection of archival documents: Society and Power. Russian Provinces. 1917-1985: Documents and Materials in 6 Volumes. Perm Krai. Vol. 2. 1941-1985 / Institute of History and Archaeology, Ural Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Perm Krai Archival Agency; Editor-in-chief: Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences V.V. Alekseev, editor-in-chief: Doctor of Historical Sciences A.B. Suslov. — Yekaterinburg: Bank of Cultural Information, 2008. — 688 p.

                I don't trust publications published after Gorbachev's time. Their references to Soviet-era documents could very well contain forgeries, and I think they do.
                I believe my memories and the statistics of the Soviet era.
                Here are the statistics from the Soviet era:
                Ioffe Ya.A. We and the Planet: Facts and Figures
                7th edition, supplemented. - M.: Politizdat. 1988. - 256 p. - ISBN 5-250-0055-X.
                page 179
                I'll limit myself to one table (see below), it will be interesting to look at other summary tables
                It can be seen that since 1960, meat production per capita has increased from 40 kg in 1960 to 61 kg in 1985.
                If there were no coupons in 1960, then there certainly won’t be any in 1985.
                I believe that this agency publishes fakes among real documents.

                However, this time I decided to do some additional research. I asked my friends what they had to say about it.
                It turns out one guy was in Penza during the period we're interested in. He said there were no food stamps, and no hunger strikers.
                Here are his words:

                I remember there were shortages of many things. But I don't remember coupons under Brezhnev.
                Butter was always on the table. There was a shortage only in the 90s. Doctor's sausage was sometimes available, and amateur sausage was always available from the stores. Hot dogs and frankfurters were in short supply. Margarine was good; it was used for frying. They also sold rendered lard and shortening. My mother always used pork fat for frying potatoes, and later I did. Georgian tea, the highest grade, was always available; Indian tea was in short supply, and No. 36 (a blend of Indian and Georgian tea) was often sold. There was a tea-packing factory in Ufa.
                Toilet paper is a shortage that we haven't experienced in our family.
                There is a shortage of books because the paper is being eaten up by the huge circulation of newspapers.
                Soap and shampoo were in short supply, but we bought some on occasion and always had some at home. Good toothpaste wasn't always available, but it wasn't in short supply. There was also tooth powder.
                Women's boots were in short supply, as were good shoes, but shoe stores were overflowing with shoes and clothing; people didn't go barefoot or naked.
                The question is complex, yes, where there were not even coupons, there was distribution through enterprises and the bureaucracy, there is no arguing with that.

                Milk, dumplings, and ready-made cutlets were always on sale. They just produced just enough to avoid buying extra, since milk, for example, had a short shelf life. They put them out at the end of the workday for the workers to buy after work. They always bought several bottles. And in the morning, you could buy milk from a barrel.
                There were milk kitchens for children, where they had food, young mothers were assigned there, can this be considered distribution by coupons?

                That's my opinion based on my memories. I graduated from the institute in 1979 and served in the army as an officer until 1981, so I wasn't in the barracks, I was just shopping.

                His words once again confirm that the bourgeois government, under the guise of documents, publishes, among other things, a mass of fakes about the Soviet era.
                I suppose they want to clear the name of Judas Gorbachev and his perestroika.
              2. 0
                8 November 2025 17: 56
                Both sides. The one that built its own personal communism. And the one that silently tolerated it all, year after year choosing "fat cats" to support itself.


                Objectivity requires a comparison of their personal communism then and the privileges that the bourgeoisie (that is, the "fat cats") have now.
                There is not an ounce of objectivity in your words.


                Remember how the entire party persecuted Nina Andreeva? Or how the future gravediggers of the USSR were unanimously elected to the leadership?


                She said Gorbachev was leading us in the wrong direction. She couldn't reveal all the details of his betrayal and show it to everyone.
                And all of these people have to make a choice between Gorbachev, who governed the country during a difficult period (who thought back then that it was he who led it there?
                Andreeva didn't provide comprehensive evidence) and the previously little-known Nina Andreeva. I think the majority's choice is clear.

                Silence is a sign of consent. And so they remained silent until December 1991.


                You are a demagogue.
      3. -2
        30 October 2025 14: 14
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: north 2
        In my opinion, it was not the Bolsheviks who destroyed the Empire, but the Imperial Court and Nicholas II himself and, of course, the then “organ” known as the State Duma.

        As for the Bolsheviks... if the Empire could be destroyed by a party of 20,000 people, a third of whom were in prison, exile, and exile, then such an Empire is not worth a penny.

        A living example nearby is Ukraine. A small group of people staged a coup d'état and, for 11 years, have had all the remaining millions in Ukraine at their mercy. There was no state there that could have given the order to "surround the Maidan and shoot."
      4. 0
        8 November 2025 11: 28
        Quote: Alexey RA
        if a party of 20,000 people could destroy the Empire

        The empire was destroyed by the ostentatious stiffness of the landed aristocracy and the inability of tsarist officials to address pressing issues, such as the failure to ramp up production of shells, heavy artillery, tanks, and aircraft engines in the run-up to the Great War. Similarly, in September, the Moscow mayor's office planted potted palm trees in the center of Moscow around the Kremlin, which will inevitably freeze in December, instead of building drones and air defense systems to counter them on the outskirts of Moscow.
  12. +9
    30 October 2025 07: 24
    By 5, the royal family and the entire ruling elite of Russia had become a gangrenous stump. Both revolutions were simply two stages in the amputation of a completely outlived system of governance.
    1. +5
      30 October 2025 09: 11
      Quote: Grossvater
      By 5, the royal family and the entire ruling elite of Russia had become a gangrenous stump. Both revolutions were simply two stages in the amputation of a completely outlived system of governance.
      Napoleon said that the victory at Fontenoy prolonged the Ancien Régime in France for 30 years. Therefore, the author's arguments about saving the rotten tsarism are simply meaningless. Its collapse was inevitable.
  13. +5
    30 October 2025 07: 25
    Quote: North 2
    In my opinion, it wasn't the Bolsheviks who destroyed the Empire, but the Imperial Court and Nicholas II himself, and of course the then "organ" known as the State Duma. Even in 1991, even a modern "organ" shouldn't be called the Duma because of this damned practice alone. Stolypin himself, after the assassination attempt, said, dying, that he had knocked down the revolutionaries' arrogance and danger, but he couldn't reach the main danger—that is, Nicholas II's entourage.
    By the way, if they had convened the Zemsky Sobor in the years 1905-1917 and not this State Duma, there would have been no sense and no point
    There wouldn't have been a Zemsky Sobor, like the Zemsky Sobor of 1613, when the first Romanov tsar was elected. There was no one to replace the dynasty from 1905-1917. Just like with the dynasty of General Secretaries of the CPSU after Brezhnev's death—there was no one to replace the communist dynasty from... Everyone gaped at Gorbachev and his ilk and applauded Gorbachev at party meetings. Oh, how they applauded him...

    Yes.
  14. +6
    30 October 2025 07: 55
    How can you even write: Although, when suppressing similar unrest in England or France, beloved by Russian Anglophiles and Gallo-philes, there were many more victims, and the authorities acted much more cruelly and mercilessly.?
    So, it's a relief that they didn't kill everyone? What cannibalism.
    1. +2
      30 October 2025 10: 09
      This is some kind of cannibalism.

      Cannibalism is compared, their cannibals are worse than our cannibals. laughing
      1. +4
        30 October 2025 11: 09
        hi Two Jews meet at the intersection of Lenin and Marx streets:
        - And under the tsar we ate meat!
        Some time later, in the same city, the same two Jews were at a crossroads
        Mao Zedong and Chiang Kai-shek streets:
        - And under the communists we ate!
        Some time later, at the crossroads of Patrice Lumuba and Mganga Byanma:
        - At least under the Chinese they didn’t eat us!
        Somehow such a comparison suggests itself. laughing
        1. +4
          30 October 2025 12: 11
          Somehow such a comparison suggests itself.

          We have been eaten, are being eaten, and will be eaten... If we do not bring about the collapse of imperialism...
          1. -1
            30 October 2025 18: 28
            Quote: parusnik
            We have been eaten, are being eaten, and will be eaten... If we do not bring about the collapse of imperialism...

            Another World Revolution?
            1. +1
              30 October 2025 21: 33
              Oh, come on. If the revolution in Germany had been completed, if Soviet Hungary and Slovakia had been helped, and the Great Patriotic War had never happened, there would have been no global imperialism. Why are you cursing those bourgeois people then? Why aren't they letting you live? laughing
  15. +5
    30 October 2025 07: 56
    Although, when suppressing similar unrest in England or France, beloved by Russian Anglophiles and Gallo-philes, there were many more victims, and the authorities acted much more cruelly and mercilessly.
    A kindergarten argument, of course.
    1. +2
      30 October 2025 12: 00
      And they also lynch blacks. It's a shame we didn't have any blacks for comparison. laughing
      1. +4
        30 October 2025 12: 40
        It's a pity we didn't have any blacks for comparison.
        - Yes, there were no blacks, but there were so-called foreigners, who were not actually considered people in the Russian Empire.
  16. +7
    30 October 2025 08: 34
    and there will be no one to save the autocracy and the empire in February – March 1917.
    Author, you are an educated person and should understand that the Romanov project was liquidated by the Tsar's inner circle with British support. An army without leadership cannot defend the government on its own. The same thing happened in 1991, when the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, as the governing force, withdrew from power. Even the State Emergency Committee couldn't organize the same army to defend the government and the country.
    1. +5
      30 October 2025 09: 58
      Author, you are an educated person.

      You're naive. Can't an educated person be a scoundrel and brainwash people? Remember how they brainwashed people during the Great Patriotic War? And then bam! They clashed with the West, and the West even started demanding repentance for the capture of Berlin, for failing to assist the Warsaw Uprising, for the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, for Katyn, and so on. Those at the top realized that if they repented, they wouldn't be able to stay on the throne. So they backfired. But do they have to brainwash people? They have to de-Sovietize and decommunize the population? But how? And the theme of revolutions and civil wars—how the bad guys overthrew the good guys, and then how the good guys were protected during the civil war with the help of the interventionists.
      1. +1
        30 October 2025 10: 53
        You are naive.
        Unfortunately, no. I'm just trying to observe good manners. wink
        1. +5
          30 October 2025 12: 08
          I'm just trying to observe good manners.

          The author has no intention of maintaining this tone; he is simply brainwashing people and has been doing so for several years now.
          1. +3
            30 October 2025 13: 11
            He's just brainwashing and has been doing so for years now.
            Apparently he writes what he gets paid well for.
    2. +5
      30 October 2025 10: 28
      Quote: Gomunkul
      Author, you are an educated person and you must understand that the Romanov project was liquidated by the Tsar's inner circle with the support of Britain; an army without control cannot protect power on its own.

      And the army command in February 1917 also pushed for a change in the system—frontline commanders supported the abdication. That's it: no orders, no action. Because the army's collapse hadn't yet reached the point where a "field commander" could rally troops and march on the capital against a government that didn't suit him. smile
      1. +1
        30 October 2025 11: 12
        Alexey
        I found the following information on the Internet:
        Georgy Goshtovt writes in his memoirs that on the morning of March 4, the commanders of individual units were summoned to the headquarters of the Guards Cavalry Corps. At a meeting of officers, reflecting the mood of the officers and enlisted men, it was decided to remind the Tsar that he had a loyal, disciplined force at his disposal. A telegram was sent to the Chief of Staff of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief with the following content: "We have received news of major events. I ask you not to refuse to lay at the feet of His Majesty the boundless devotion of the Guards Cavalry and their readiness to die for their beloved Monarch. Khan of Nakhichevan." Thus, this telegram expressed the will of the entire Cavalry Corps, and not of the Khan of Nakhichevan, in whose name it was sent, or of the Chief of Staff, Vinken, as is evident from the texts of several authors. The following telegram was sent in response from the Tsar, who had been forced to abdicate: "I have never doubted the feelings of the Guards Cavalry. I ask you to submit to the Provisional Government. Nicholas."

        That is, from this information it follows that the tsar did not cling to power and was ready to hand it over to the provisional government, despite the fact that there remained troops loyal to him who wanted to stand up in defense of the autocracy. smile
      2. +2
        30 October 2025 11: 28
        And the army command in February 1917 also pushed for a change in the system - the front commanders supported the abdication
        - And who put them in charge? Who is to blame for the reigning "genius"...
  17. +3
    30 October 2025 09: 04
    I wanted to write, "What the hell is this?" and attach a picture with the corresponding meme, but someone already beat me to it. Yes Therefore - no comments/ laughing
    1. +4
      30 October 2025 10: 01
      "What is this anyway?"
      ...What, what Shevkunovism... laughing Her book was published, but who's reading it? The author and commentators like him. laughing
  18. +3
    30 October 2025 09: 09
    They didn't save it, they just delayed it for a little while. The current tsar is allowing the people a little more breathing space, but he's still leading the empire to ruin.
  19. +7
    30 October 2025 09: 13
    On this day in St. Petersburg, the priest Gapon acted as a provocateur, which led to the shooting of a mass demonstration that was marching to the Winter Palace to present a petition to the Tsar about the needs of the workers.
    The shooting of a peaceful demonstration in St. Petersburg caused an explosion of indignation throughout the country.

    I would like to remind you that Father Gapon was an agent of the secret police, not an agent of foreign intelligence services.
    did not succumb to madness

    an explosion of indignation called madness?
    I want to remind you how the Russian Empire lived during that period.
    on average, every 3rd year there is a mass famine
    average life expectancy is 34 years.
    Even the senior foreman at the Putilov factory, who was considered to live well, could not afford "healthy eating."
    mass ruin and landlessness of peasants
    And Nicholas II was rightly called "bloody"—on the day of the Khodynka stampede, he went to the ball completely indifferently, much to the surprise of many foreign guests. His diary contains no mention of the events of that day.
    The reaction to all this in the article is called madness.
  20. +8
    30 October 2025 09: 31
    This isn't even Samsonism, it's pure Shevkunovism...
    1. -5
      30 October 2025 09: 43
      Quote: parusnik
      This isn't even Samsonism, it's pure Shevkunovism...

      What did you dislike about the Metropolitan of Crimea?
      And the demons tremble...
      According to the interpretations of the Holy Fathers, they tremble with fear.
      1. +5
        30 October 2025 09: 47
        And the demons tremble...

        Let them tremble... laughing What's wrong with you? "Samsonovshchina," brainwashing—they've already brainwashed you, to the point of whiteness...with a brown tint.
        1. -5
          30 October 2025 10: 01
          Quote: parusnik
          with a brown tint..

          Life does not stand still, everything flows, everything changes, before such people were called red-brown.
          To be impartial (without any Samsonovism or Shevkunovism), let's turn to the AI ​​that this comrade produces:
          - red-brown, this is a political cliché that was used by liberal democratic politicians and journalists.....
          - brown, an unofficial name for the National Socialists, from the color of the shirts of their stormtroopers (SA)
          AI is not a fool, he interprets competently.
          1. +5
            30 October 2025 10: 03
            Calm down, you fool, with your brain washed to the point of being brown... The president and his clique are proud of their anti-communism and anti-Sovietism, they erected a monument to the deputy director of the Nazi Russian Institute at their own expense, and you, like a loyal slave, follow him. laughing What do you want to prove to me?
            1. -4
              30 October 2025 10: 09
              Quote: parusnik
              Calm down, you fool,

              You are flattering me and giving me an undeserved compliment. Take some time to see who the Church considers a fool for Christ. I simply do not deserve such a high title.
              1. +3
                30 October 2025 10: 10
                You are flattering me and giving me an undeserved compliment. Take some time to see who the Church considers a fool for Christ. I simply do not deserve such a high title.

                And what?
                1. -5
                  30 October 2025 10: 14
                  Quote: parusnik
                  And what?

                  Kharcho soup
                  The main ingredients are chicken, rice, and onions.
                  1. +5
                    30 October 2025 10: 16
                    Kharcho soup. Main ingredients: chicken, rice, onion.

                    And what?
                    1. -3
                      30 October 2025 10: 21
                      Quote: parusnik
                      And what?

                      The big question
                      How to write correctly: "che" or "cho"?
                      1. +4
                        30 October 2025 10: 21
                        The big question
                        How to write correctly: "che" or "cho"?

                        And what?
                        You are flattering me and giving me an undeserved compliment. Take some time to see who the Church considers a fool for Christ. I simply do not deserve such a high title.

                        But you agree that your brains have been brainwashed to the point of being white with a brown tint. So what am I supposed to talk to you about? It's like talking to a Nazi.
                      2. -3
                        30 October 2025 10: 24
                        Quote: parusnik
                        And what?

                        Are you looking like a holy fool?
                        This is what Samsonovism and Shevkunovism turns out to be.
                      3. +4
                        30 October 2025 10: 25
                        Are you looking like a holy fool?

                        You are flattering me and giving me an undeserved compliment. Take some time to see who the Church considers a fool for Christ. I simply do not deserve such a high title.
                      4. -3
                        30 October 2025 10: 28
                        Quote: parusnik
                        You are flattering me and giving me an undeserved compliment. Take some time to see who the Church considers a fool for Christ. I simply do not deserve such a high title.

                        Lesha, that's what I'm talking about - for the Church there are no lost ones, everyone will be accepted there, even this newly-minted holy fool.
                        Work, work and work again in the field of foolishness.
                      5. +3
                        30 October 2025 10: 31
                        What exactly are you trying to prove to me with your posts? Volodya, don't worry about me, but about the problems of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine, which is being oppressed by the Uniates and Autocephalous Churches, not about me. Your brain has been brainwashed, Volodya, to the point of being brown. That's your problem. You're not subject to denazification. It's too late.
                      6. +2
                        30 October 2025 11: 30
                        You are flattering me and giving me an undeserved compliment. Take a look at what a fool for the Church is. I simply don't deserve such a high title.
                        laughing washed!!!
                      7. +3
                        30 October 2025 10: 41
                        I suggest - Chyo Yes laughing "" "" "" "" "
                  2. +4
                    30 October 2025 10: 40
                    Let me correct you - beef, rice, onion. Yes
                    1. +2
                      30 October 2025 10: 53
                      Let me correct you - beef, rice, onion.
                      Isn't it lamb?
                      1. +6
                        30 October 2025 11: 02
                        If this is classic Georgian kharcho, then it is still beef. Yes
                      2. +4
                        30 October 2025 11: 11
                        If this is classic Georgian kharcho, then it is still beef.
                        I didn’t know, thanks!
                      3. +4
                        30 October 2025 11: 32
                        “Kharcho” is translated from Georgian as “beef soup”.
  21. 12+
    30 October 2025 09: 54
    Was the shooting of the demonstration on January 9, 1905, also the work of Japanese intelligence? And the famines of 1891-92, were they probably the work of British intelligence? And the famine of 1911—was it the Germans' doing? Did the Black Hundreds save Russia? And why didn't they save it in 1917? And the military insisted on Nicholas's abdication—that must have been another plot... You're a complete idiot, author!
  22. +1
    30 October 2025 10: 24
    Quote: faiver
    Provide a constructive justification.
    - laughingSo you write whatever you want, and I have to justify and substantiate my comments? I'm not getting paid for this.
    Please provide reliable sources
    1896, May 18 - During his coronation on Khodynka Field, more than 5000 people died in a stampede that arose due to the criminal mismanagement of tsarist officials;

    1905, January 9 - Bloody Sunday in St. Petersburg, shooting of a peaceful workers' march: 1200 killed, more than 5000 wounded;


    If you say someone's point of view is wrong, then the burden of proof lies with you.
    When you take your car in for maintenance, you say, "My right-hand strut is making noise," and the mechanic says it's all nonsense, made up nonsense, and that it's a steering problem. And anyway, prove to the driver that the strut is making noise. Your position seems to be exactly that. With proper logical thinking, the mechanic will tell you where the noise is coming from and will provide specific, well-reasoned explanations for the sources of these problems.
    So, please justify your position in response to my first comment.
    1. +4
      30 October 2025 10: 38
      With proper logical thinking

      There is no right or wrong way to think logically, just as there is no male or female logic, although there is a joke. "Female Logic." Volume One. In logic, there are three types of judgments: true judgments, false judgments, and true-false judgments. For informational purposes only.
      1. +2
        30 October 2025 10: 49
        Quote: parusnik
        With proper logical thinking

        There is no right or wrong way to think logically, just as there is no male or female logic, although there is a joke. "Female Logic." Volume One. In logic, there are three types of judgments: true judgments, false judgments, and true-false judgments. For informational purposes only.


        I second that; the terminology was incorrect. It would have been more accurate to say "in a judgment that does not violate the laws of logic."
  23. +5
    30 October 2025 11: 02
    Lately, there have been a lot of anti-Soviet propaganda articles, films, and TV series about how wonderful everything was in the Russian Empire and how good the White Guards were. This is NOT a good sign. The enemies of the USSR never do anything for good purposes.
    1. +5
      30 October 2025 11: 31
      How wonderful everything was in the Russian Empire
      - there was nothing wonderful there...
      1. +2
        30 October 2025 11: 35
        No, it wasn't. But the enemies of the USSR who seized it were primitive, and their justification for seizing it for their own enrichment by robbing the country and its people was primitive—they slandered those from whom they took the USSR, automatically justified the crimes of their external and internal enemies, and created a myth about how wonderful everything was before those from whom they took the USSR.
    2. +5
      30 October 2025 12: 05
      NOT for good.

      Irina, this is not a good sign, it's a sign of a fascist coup. It will happen as soon as the deal on Ukraine is concluded. The gray ones have always been replaced by the black ones.
  24. +5
    30 October 2025 12: 13
    Ah, Samsonov... Ideals of the Black Hundreds...

    The problem is in the worship of authority.
    The death of the Royal family and relatives was licked clean from start to finish.
    The deaths of the elite, generals, and high-ranking officials are also quite a disappointment.
    The deaths of nobles, merchants, industrialists, politicians, and priests are also recorded, known, and often honored in their cities.
    The deaths of workers, employees, peasants... who's going to count them and remember them? Just rough numbers, often without names... for example, from Stolypin's teams on the railway...

    Just like now. Everyone remembers Rogozin's injuries while preparing for a drinking party at a restaurant... but what about the rest of us?
    And the rest will be given a maximum number, without full name and everything else...
  25. +2
    30 October 2025 13: 13
    Quote: Not the fighter
    The main problem of our intelligentsia is that it “does not see the shores” and does not consider itself part of the people at all.


    Partially true, but only partially. There's a small problem, you know. The side that has the majority of the active intelligentsia on it often wins. Incidentally, under Stalin, the majority of the intelligentsia ended up being quite Soviet.
    The same atomic bomb and other useful "goodies" were also created by quite intelligent people, people with higher education.
    1. +2
      30 October 2025 13: 40
      Quote: Illanatol
      By the way, under Stalin, the majority of the intelligentsia still turned out to be completely Soviet.

      I'm so interested that I have to interrupt your conversation, sorry.
      It seems to me that the intelligentsia cannot be Soviet or bourgeois, precisely because it is cut off from the people and simply despises them.
      Stalin had problems with the intelligentsia, even he did, with his repressive apparatus, but with generous handouts - Stalin prizes, dachas, sabbaticals, multi-million circulation copies, etc., he managed to create the appearance of a so-called Soviet intelligentsia.
      As soon as Stalin was gone, all these Stalin Prize winners, well-fed and fat cats, immediately began to trample their dead former benefactor.
      Few of them did not participate in this whole bacchanalia; we can recall the actress L. Orlova, the writer A. Fadeev, and I can’t remember anyone else.
      1. 0
        31 October 2025 13: 03
        Quote: bober1982
        I'm so interested that I have to interrupt your conversation, sorry.
        It seems to me that the intelligentsia cannot be Soviet or bourgeois, precisely because it is cut off from the people and simply despises them.


        What do you mean, "cut off from the people"? Do these "intelligentsia," like spherical nags, live in a vacuum? Or on some isolated island? Like it or not, they, too, are part of the people. Perhaps not the best. The problem is that the so-called "intelligentsia" are those most imbued with the Western spirit and values ​​(some of which are quite good), because our education, alas and alack, especially higher education, is shaped by Western models.
        And the intelligentsia isn't just writers and artists, it's also scientists, design engineers, and others... without whose labor, modern life is impossible to imagine. And they're certainly more useful than priests in cassocks dancing with tambourines.
  26. +2
    30 October 2025 17: 50
    These conspirators sit there, crunching on French rolls with Japanese and German money, plotting against the Emperor. It's a real spiritual ode to the theme of "The Russia We Lost." And they say we have no ideology—here it is in all its glory. Over the past 30 years, the bourgeois profiteers have managed to turn off the brains of a significant portion of the population.
  27. -3
    30 October 2025 17: 53
    During their totally deceitful, anti-communist Perestroika, the "Whites" unleashed a "cold" civil war, and they still haven't calmed down. And they've proven that they don't care at all whether they hate each other, repress each other for political reasons, or selflessly kill each other—they're united in their deceitful, slanderous, and hypocritical anti-Sovietism.
  28. +1
    30 October 2025 17: 54
    If the master had beaten the monarchists to the punch in the stables, he would have liked the monarchism in them.
  29. 0
    30 October 2025 21: 50
    The downside is huge, Japanese intelligence and all that... And why did the workers go and file a petition? Fuck you.
    1. 0
      31 October 2025 08: 31
      https://topwar.ru/50882-russkaya-i-yaponskaya-razvedka-nakanune-voyny-19041905-godov.html?ysclid=mheesilwv8178488090
      read at your leisure.....
  30. 0
    30 October 2025 22: 39
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: north 2
    In my opinion, it was not the Bolsheviks who destroyed the Empire, but the Imperial Court and Nicholas II himself and, of course, the then “organ” known as the State Duma.

    As for the Bolsheviks... if the Empire could be destroyed by a party of 20,000 people, a third of whom were in prison, exile, and exile, then such an Empire is not worth a penny.

    So, I seem to have clearly written that, in my opinion, it was not the Bolsheviks who destroyed the Empire...
  31. +4
    30 October 2025 22: 56
    In 1917, the deep people raised the bun-crunchers with pitchforks. It turned out rather awkwardly.
    1. 0
      5 January 2026 09: 37
      Quote: MrFox
      In 1917, the deep people raised the bun-crunchers with pitchforks. It turned out rather awkwardly.

      These are not proper people, they are "le muzhik!" (sarcasm-joke)
  32. +2
    31 October 2025 11: 11
    So, as a small remark Yes
  33. 0
    31 October 2025 12: 54
    Quote: your1970
    Hmm, the red flag was raised by a lot of people all over the world during color and other revolutions - and in most cases they had nothing to do with socialism or the people.


    A bunch of people... who had nothing to do with the people. laughing
    To the collection of pearls of eloquence, if you don’t mind. lol
    1. 0
      4 January 2026 09: 23
      The scarlet flag has been known since ancient times
      Before Mamaev's times,
      The icon depicts the battle of nations,
      Look, he is above the army!
  34. +1
    31 October 2025 13: 18
    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    At that time, the Duma, although it contradicted the Tsar and even defended something there, the Tsar and the Government had to act with an eye on it, one way or another laughing
    P.S. I'm not saying that they did something mega good, just as a fact, in comparison...


    Maybe because there were "damned communists" in the Duma?
    And not only under Tsarism, by the way. In the post-Soviet era, the Duma was also initially capable of some things. Who consigned Gaidar's government to the scrap heap? Thanks to whom did Primakov become prime minister, who (along with the communist Maslyukov) pulled the country back from the brink?
    Well, the political landscape is different now, and we have what we have. There's complete stabilization, and the people are silent, which means they're quite happy.
    1. 0
      5 January 2026 09: 40
      Quote: Illanatol
      and the people remain silent

      And here nowadays it's like "word of mouth" - you have to coordinate, go to where they coordinate (in the middle of nowhere).
      And after training with quarantines, people rise even less easily.
  35. +3
    31 October 2025 13: 24
    Quote: parusnik
    Volodya, don't worry about me, but about the problems of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine, which is being oppressed by the Uniates and Autocephalous Churches, and not about me.


    When you've lost your head, you don't cry over your hair. And aren't the priests to blame for what's happening? Didn't they rejoice at the overthrow of the "godless communist regime"? What, no? Well, let them reap the fruits of "democratic reforms," ​​too, since they did absolutely nothing to prevent the collapse of a unified country. They are also to blame, and let them also slurp up the porridge they cooked with the rest of the anti-Sovietists.
    Our priests are used to receiving only perks. Let them experience some troubles, along with their flock.
  36. +2
    31 October 2025 22: 39
    Quote: TermNachTER
    Comrade, take this opus philosophically. Everyone who can write is writing these days. Returning to the article itself, the Potemkin evacuation brigade's mutiny had nothing to do with the revolution; it occurred for purely prosaic reasons. It was only after 1917 that it was attributed to the first Russian revolution, just like Gangut in 1915.

    Some research stated that there were 4 revolutionaries (essentially provocateurs) on the Potemkin.
    1. +3
      2 November 2025 09: 09
      Quote: Pavel57
      Some research stated that there were 4 revolutionaries (essentially provocateurs) on the Potemkin.


      So what? If the bulk of the crew followed these provocateurs, and not their "father commanders," isn't that telling?
      A provocateur won't achieve anything if they're not trusted. Why did they trust these "provocateurs" and not those they were supposed to trust according to the rules?
      1. +2
        2 November 2025 16: 59
        Why did they trust these "provocateurs" and not those who were supposed to be trusted according to the charter?
        - everywhere, both then and now, there are creatures like Gilyarovsky or Viren, i.e. people who should not be allowed anywhere near command...
  37. +7
    31 October 2025 22: 58
    The priest may be a provocateur, but why did the troops of Bloody Nicholas open fire to kill on a PEACEFUL demonstration?
    1. +2
      1 November 2025 05: 44
      I can remind you about the peaceful demonstrations on the Maidan... bully
      1. +8
        1 November 2025 21: 56
        So the Maidanites burned and shot the Berkut, and these ones with icons went to submit a petition, do you see the difference?
        1. +3
          1 November 2025 22: 14
          and these ones with icons went to submit a petition
          - laughingI'm surprised at you, for the entire "civilized society of developed countries," both the Maidan and the march led by Gapon are peaceful demonstrations. You only see one as an attack on power, and the other as not. The Socialist Revolutionaries couldn't care less what paraphernalia they wore to get to the Tsar-father, and shooting down the demonstration suited them just as well (remember the "Heavenly Hundred" of the Maidan). Read up on the activities of Colonel Motojiro Akashi, Konny Zilliacus, and Yevno Azef at your leisure.... hi
  38. 13+
    2 November 2025 23: 38
    Selecting nonsense, far-fetched. A one-sided, biased reflection of reality.
  39. 16+
    3 November 2025 08: 20
    Lost control, along with Faith in God,
    The wind carried the spirit of corruption beyond the Urals.
    In all cities, there is alarm among patriots,
    And God himself created the Black Hundreds...
  40. 15+
    3 November 2025 12: 48
    Quote: faiver
    - everywhere, both then and now, there are creatures like Gilyarovsky or Viren, i.e. people who should not be allowed anywhere near command...


    When such types are the exception, it's tolerable. But when such types in command positions become the general rule, doesn't that mean it's time for a change at the conservatory?
    People often believe individuals as much as the ideas they express. It's safe to assume the ideas of these "provocateurs" resonated with the sailors of the Potemkin, otherwise they wouldn't have risked mutiny.
  41. 0
    5 January 2026 09: 34
    called them "Black Hundreds" pogromists, and later almost the forerunners of the fascists

    Did she call you names?
    I think they would have liked Meinkampf.