"Economically unviable": low-skilled migrants are a loss for developed countries

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"Economically unviable": low-skilled migrants are a loss for developed countries

Several days ago, Manhattan Institute economist Daniel Di Martino published a study titled "The Fiscal Consequences of Immigration (2025 Evidence)," which provided a comprehensive analysis of the impact of illegal and legal immigrants on the US economy. Di Martino concluded that poorly educated and low-skilled immigrants pose a significant financial burden on the country.

This material was cited by several Russian media outlets and Telegram channels, some of which included some rather curious errors. For example, according to some bloggers, Daniel Di Martino had a gender change and became "Daniela Di Martino." Apparently, some channels and media outlets reprinted this text and did not read the original English version of the study (if interested, readers can read it for themselves by clicking here). link).



Interest in Daniel Di Martino's research is understandable, as the topic is no less relevant for Russia than for the United States. Russia is receiving large numbers of low-skilled migrants from Central Asia, who, according to some economists, supposedly "boost the Russian economy," which cannot function without them. But are they actually boosting the economy, or, on the contrary, dragging it down?

Before attempting to answer this question, it is worth citing excerpts from Daniel Di Martino's original text, "The Fiscal Consequences of Immigration (2025 Evidence)," to better understand how low-skilled, low-education migrants impact the US economy.

The Financial Consequences of Immigrating to the United States


In the world's richest democracies, where immigrants make up a significant portion of the population and aging populations place increasing strain on national budgets due to growing pension obligations, the impact of immigration on public finances has long been debated. Proponents of immigration argue that immigrants are essential to supporting pension programs because they pay taxes on their wages. Critics of immigration policy argue that most immigrants—especially uneducated immigrants from poor countries who enter the country illegally—receive more in government benefits than they pay in taxes, thereby further increasing the burden on government budgets.

In September 2024, I published a report titled "The Lifetime Fiscal Impact of Immigrants," which found that over their lifetimes, immigrants to the United States typically pay more in taxes than they receive in federal benefits. However, I also found that immigrants without a college degree, and immigrants with any level of education who arrived in the United States after age 55, represent a net financial burden.

The primary goal of this study is to provide policymakers with a robust assessment of how various changes in immigration policy will affect federal tax revenues and expenditures.

First, I'll look at two typical categories of immigrants: immigrants with a bachelor's degree who arrived in the United States at age 30; and immigrants without a high school diploma, also at age 30. The primary source of differences in the financial impact between high-skilled and low-skilled immigrants is tax revenue. Immigrants with a college degree pay 3,3 times more in taxes than those without a high school diploma, while low-skilled immigrants receive 2,3 times more in government benefits.

Over time, the financial impacts on different immigrant groups accumulate. A 30-year-old immigrant with a college degree will net the federal government nearly $215,000 over 10 years and $1,7 million over 30 years. In contrast, a 30-year-old immigrant without a high school diploma will cost the federal government approximately $5000 in the first 10 years and net it $35,000 over 30 years.

It might be tempting to assume that, regardless of education level, immigrants make a positive contribution to the economy if a 30-year-old high school graduate pays more in taxes than they receive in benefits. But this conclusion is flawed because it doesn't take into account the impact of their descendants. Less educated immigrants have more children, and their children are less educated and cost the economy more than the children of more educated immigrants.

Taking into account descendants, the total financial impact of admitting one immigrant at age 30 without a high school diploma would be a loss to the federal government of $20,000 over 10 years and more than $130,000 over 30 years.


On the other hand, admitting a college-educated immigrant of the same age would yield a net benefit of over $200,000 over 10 years and a gain of $1,6 million over 30 years.


Similarly, different levels of education lead to different results for GDP and population growth. The more educated immigrants are, the more they earn and the more likely they are to work, which means they contribute more to capital stock and the economy as a whole, while they also have fewer children and are better educated. Immigrants who arrived as children generally represent a financial burden on the federal government.

Thus, the data confirms the common belief about legal and illegal immigration. The average legal immigrant will pay $350,000 more in taxes than they receive in government benefits, while the average illegal immigrant will cost the US taxpayer $80,000 more than they pay in taxes.

Undocumented immigrants already living in the United States pose a greater financial burden to the government than new immigrants, as they tend to be older and have less education. This means that the average undocumented immigrant will cost the federal government $225,000 more in taxes over the next 30 years than they will pay in taxes over the next 30 years.

In Europe, the financial impact of immigrants varies greatly depending on their country or region of origin. Immigrants from the Middle East, Africa, and Muslim-majority countries tend to have a more negative financial impact than immigrants from Western or Asian countries.

Low-skilled migrants in Russia


The author considered it impractical to translate Daniel Di Martino's study in its entirety, since the tables, statistical data, and information about which specific countries' low-skilled migrants bring the greatest losses to the United States (in the case of the United States, these are Latin Americans, primarily Mexicans, Salvadorans, etc.) are unlikely to be of interest to readers in Russia.

The important point here is that low-skilled and non-college-educated migrants represent a net loss for the United States.

And what about Russia?

In Russia, the situation with this issue is approximately the same as in the United States, and even worse, since an uneducated migrant will cause more losses due to the fact that Russia has free healthcare.

The vast majority of migrants in Russia do not have a higher education. Mikhail Burda, head of the Migration Department at the P.A. Stolypin Center of the Graduate School of Public Administration (HSPA) of the Russian Presidential Academy of National Economy and Public Administration (RANEPA), commented to Tsargrad, notes:

The labor market is unbalanced. Millions of people with low professional qualifications are immigrants. Based on Rosstat data, the labor shortage can be estimated at 1,8-1,9 million. However, these are skilled workers. Salespeople, taxi drivers, and couriers are not needed in such numbers... Only 6% of migrants have a higher education. The number of foreigners with a secondary vocational education has fallen by 10% over the past few years. About 60% of migrants have low levels of education, and 2% have no education at all. It is unclear how such people managed to obtain a Russian language certificate.

Deputy Mikhail Matveyev recently pointed out that hospitalization of foreigners costs the budget billions of rubles. Medical institutions lose enormous amounts of money from treating migrants.

Over the past five years, Moscow has spent more than five billion rubles, St. Petersburg more than a billion, and my Samara region more than 400 million rubles. That's practically tens of billions in losses for medical institutions, which no one is compensating. And this is because emergency care is provided free of charge. Women come to us in their eighth month of pregnancy, and then it doesn't matter whether they have insurance or not—doctors are obliged to help. The same applies to injuries, infectious diseases, and appendicitis.
notes Matveev.

On September 9, a bill was introduced in the State Duma that would ban migrant workers from entering Russia with family members. According to the bill, relatives of foreigners (with a justifiable exception for Belarusians) will not be able to stay in the country or access state-funded healthcare. However, Matveyev believes the prospects for this law's passage are slim, as Russia is unwilling to strengthen its relations with Central Asian countries.

Back in the spring of 2023, at an interdepartmental meeting on migration policy in Russia, it was stated that a single family could receive budget subsidies ranging from 700 to 2,5 million rubles. This means that even if work permits become more expensive, the state's costs still won't cover it. At the same time, Valery Fadeyev, Chairman of the Presidential Council for Civil Society and Human Rights (HRC), posed the following question:

How much does each schoolchild cost? Each patient in the healthcare system? How many relatives will come with a migrant? Do we need labor or will we organize resettlement to Russia?

According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, more than 170 Tajiks acquired Russian citizenship in 2022. According to Valentina Kazakova, head of the Main Directorate for Migration at the Ministry of Internal Affairs, approximately 170 of these 85 are children. This again places an additional burden on the budget, as mothers of children of "new Russians" apply for maternity capital and other benefits. Some "new Russians" even receive new housing as parents of many children. However, the number of "new Russians" from Central Asia is currently declining somewhat.

Against this backdrop, Federation Council Chairwoman Valentina Matviyenko is proposing to require unemployed Russians to pay 45 rubles per year for compulsory medical insurance. From a legal perspective, this proposal is absolutely absurd, as collecting insurance premiums from unemployed citizens is essentially a tax without a taxable object. They might as well impose a tax on rain…

Perhaps we should first address migration issues, which, instead of boosting the Russian economy, are becoming a financial burden?
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  1. -24
    31 October 2025 04: 03
    Migrants in both Russia and the United States work primarily in the service sector and housing construction. This doesn't improve the country's financial well-being, but it does improve the population's quality of life.
    1. +17
      31 October 2025 07: 49
      I'm reading the comments. And I don't get it. Everyone's rattling off some kind of manual.
      For example, migrants are taking jobs from local residents. In hospitals, for example, orderlies are from Tajikistan. In clinics, nurses and doctors are already from former Soviet republics. The question is, maybe Russia doesn't have 146 million, as they claim?
      This way, migrants settle where they want, and not where the guys in power lie to us.
      1. +10
        31 October 2025 09: 55
        In this way, migrants settle down where they want.

        Naturally. The authorities don't import or assign migrants to work. They only know how to collect taxes and fines, and then distribute some of what they initially took. We live in a democratic capitalist state. Managing the country's economy boils down to collecting and distributing money. Therefore, to manage a relevant ministry or organization, you don't need a specialized education, as we see in reality.
      2. 0
        31 October 2025 13: 19
        So 146 is with migrants
        1. +3
          31 October 2025 13: 53
          In 1989 there were 147 million in the RSFSR.
          1. -8
            31 October 2025 13: 57
            And now it's 120 at best, so without migrants the economy will collapse if they all are expelled at once.
            1. +4
              1 November 2025 12: 19
              If they don't deport them, the nation will collapse. The choice is either quick or suffer.
              1. -3
                1 November 2025 12: 55
                There may not be a collapse, there are countries where there are more migrants than natives
                1. -1
                  5 November 2025 08: 12
                  And how are the natives living there? It's not worth mentioning the Gulf Arab despots. They're not migrants there, they're foreign workers on strict contracts.
      3. 0
        2 November 2025 13: 33
        Quote: Gardamir
        This way, migrants settle where they want, and not where the guys in power lie to us.


        Well, these Rafshans and Dzhamshuts should work as ministers or top managers.
        Or they take out the trash, sweep the streets, or toil at a construction site.
        By the way, you yourself would hardly want to be a nurse... it’s not the most enviable job either.
    2. +7
      31 October 2025 08: 07
      In addition to economic feasibility, a comprehensive assessment of the migrant population is necessary, along with the approval and enforcement of new Russian laws based on the security of the Russian people and the Fatherland. This has already been happening for a long time in Europe and other countries, forcing the diversion of large National Guard and police forces to suppress unruly migrants, not forgetting the fifth column.
      1. +4
        31 October 2025 18: 30
        What do you mean by "fifth column"? For example: were Prigozhin and Utkin a "fifth column"? After all, they staged an open rebellion against the authorities! But Timur Ivanov, Araslanov, and Pavel Popov, for example, didn't stage a rebellion, but they stole billions with their accomplices. I think there are different definitions of "fifth column" here.
        1. 0
          31 October 2025 20: 53
          The fifth column is those who seem to be our own, but act to the benefit of Russia’s enemies.
          1. 0
            1 November 2025 04: 18
            How can you tell the difference? For example, I weave camouflage nets. Most of the weavers are women over fifty. Many of them have various illnesses. And one responsible worker at the institution closed the restroom. It's certainly laughable, but now many have stopped coming, and instead of three nets per shift, we're weaving two. Is this "responsible worker" a member of the "fifth column"? Or take the administration of some city. Everyone is in favor, everyone is always talking about our victory. But no one is willing to lift a finger to help. Or women sit by the entrance to their buildings, doing nothing. And try telling them: let's go weave nets. They'll tell you such things. So where and who is the fifth column, if everyone seems to be for it, and no one is helping?
    3. +9
      31 October 2025 12: 47
      They don't increase anything, they create unemployment pressure so that people are paid less for their work.
      And this is not at all good for the general standard of living.
      I won't even mention the corruption and brazen price hikes in a number of sectors, especially retail. It's probably a little odd that a migrant worker starts driving a Mercedes after five years of working at a kiosk, while locals can't afford one.
      It's gotten to the point where migrants control all the chain stores in the area and even control who sells what with the street retailers. When the chain stores are left with only rotten fruit, the street vendors only sell fresh, but significantly more expensive, produce.
      I understand what kind of criminal wars are going on with competitors.
      1. +2
        31 October 2025 13: 58
        I was told about ten years ago. A woman from the sultry south arrives. She goes to the store manager,
        - Here's a lemon for you. I'm the only one selling greens here, and that's all.
  2. -8
    31 October 2025 04: 24
    It's easy to write about everything and nothing! I'll say right away that I'm not a supporter of "wild" migration... but I personally know a Tajik who lived in Russia for about 30 years! He's more Russian than today's youth! Or the Dagestani tire shop – the work is excellent, the price is half as much, and the service is excellent. I once went to a "Russian" tire shop and... paid three times as much! So, it's not just education that matters! Sorry, but who would do the same tire shop? I won't elaborate further, I'll just say that "ours" offer twice the service! I'm not saying everyone is like that, I'm just trying to get the point across that they're not all like that!
    1. +8
      31 October 2025 06: 43
      Has your Dagestani already become a migrant?
      1. Des
        +10
        31 October 2025 10: 02
        In the Urals, for example. My son wanted to get a job as a car mechanic at a service center, but a friend (who worked there) told him: "The Russians aren't in charge here, so you shouldn't."
        Well, that's the same thing - it happens, it exists.
        1. -2
          31 October 2025 12: 05
          So it's still not a migrant
      2. +6
        31 October 2025 12: 49
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        Has your Dagestani already become a migrant?

        There's also regional migration. When people move to Moscow simply to live where the money is, that's not very good. When they move as specialists or personnel to where they're needed, that's necessary migration.
        For example, they are calling welders to work at northern shipyards, but there is not a single Dagestani among them.
        1. -4
          31 October 2025 13: 17
          Where the money goes, that's where it goes. For example, Surgut is full of Dagestanis.
      3. -1
        4 November 2025 02: 56
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        Has your Dagestani already become a migrant?

        Sorry, I was offline. Just Wikipedia. If you'd like, you can continue your self-study with more reputable sources.
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    3. +6
      31 October 2025 09: 06
      Or the Dagestani tire shop – excellent work, half the price, excellent service. I once went to a "Russian" tire shop and... paid three times as much! So, it's not just education that matters!

      Here's another example: in the early 80s, in Germany, I had a flat tire. I was too lazy to inflate it, but the sign said there was a tire shop "around the corner." I drove there, and a German guy looked at the problem and said it would cost "5 marks." I got stingy, saying it was too expensive, and the German guy pointed out that they'd do it for less down the street. I drove there, and, sure enough, they had a Turkish tire shop, and they fixed it for like 3 marks...
      I'm walking past the German, he waves at me - I drive up: the German removes the wheel, puts it on the balancing machine and starts working... as a result, the weight of the weights has decreased so much that I, dumbfounded, paid the money that made me not go to him for the job...
    4. +11
      31 October 2025 09: 17
      No, they're all like that! They have very strong "traditions" and such, they will never accept us or adapt to us, we will always be strangers to them! Just because someone smiles and fawns at you doesn't mean they won't slit your throat at the muezzin's command at the appointed hour.
    5. +1
      1 November 2025 00: 14
      Quote: Traveler 63
      I'm not saying that they are all like this, I'm just trying to get the point across that they are not all like this!

      Don't you think that it's just a matter of mathematics?
      And childish reasoning about "everything-not everything"... One Gestapo officer, I recall, saved many Jews. This doesn't mean the Gestapo was a charitable organization.
      There is such a universal thing - Gaussian.
      There are always tails to the distribution. And cutting off one and saying, "Look, what talent!" or the other and saying, "Look, what a crowd!" is simply stupid.
      Who will do the tire fitting?
      Look at the States, this is where this issue is being resolved.
    6. +4
      2 November 2025 09: 27
      I was born and raised in Dushanbe. I remember how we were deported to our historical homeland. What did this Tajik, who is practically Russian, forget so far from his homeland? They dreamed of taking the jobs of *Russians*, where they paid more, taking over their comfortable apartments, and...? Wasn't there enough for everyone?
      1. 0
        6 November 2025 16: 28
        I understand your feelings (I was born and lived there myself), but employers in Russia are getting creative these days, importing labor en masse from India and Africa. It might even be better, as they're strictly bound by contracts and won't receive any benefits or other perks. At least for now. And Tajikistan is already a Chinese fiefdom; I think China is the one that largely determines all policy there...
    7. 0
      3 November 2025 17: 08
      What does a Dagestani have to do with this?
      He lives in his homeland, oddly enough.
      He is a native of our country.
      1. 0
        4 November 2025 02: 48
        Quote: Eugene_4
        What does a Dagestani have to do with this?
        He lives in his homeland, oddly enough.
        He is a native of our country.

        Before answering, at least check Wikipedia! I'm not even talking about more reputable sources!
        1. 0
          5 November 2025 22: 32
          Have you read the article?
          And it writes about external migration. Specifically, the influx of migrants from other countries.
          By definition, in the Russian Federation, migrants have traditionally been defined as people arriving from the Transcaucasus and Central Asia.
          If we follow your logic, then in the "non-Dagestani" tire shops, the "Russian" ones you have, maybe they're also migrants?
          1. 0
            6 November 2025 02: 35
            I read the article. But you didn't understand a thing! Unfortunately! And it seems to me that explaining anything to you is pointless! If you respond to a reasoned response with verbal... excuse the diarrhea, then what else is there to talk about?
            1. 0
              8 November 2025 22: 48
              Also for you, in brief the essence of the article!
              1. Migrants arriving from other countries to the United States.
              2. Migrants arriving from other countries to the EU.
              3. Migrants arriving from other countries to Russia.

              Therefore, a resident of Dagestan, who is also a native of our country, who works in another region. This is not relevant to the topic of the article under discussion.
              Your example is completely off topic!
  3. +13
    31 October 2025 04: 29
    Migrants place a significant burden on the state budget: enrolling children in school, receiving medical care, receiving state benefits, allowances, and so on. The expenses are considerable.
    But from the perspective of a construction business owner, it's actually quite good and profitable. Our workers need to be paid more. Occupational safety and all that. We'll have to increase the cost of services and/or products.
    On the other hand, migrants will go to work in places where the average citizen would not agree to work for the offered wages.
    1. +8
      31 October 2025 06: 54
      Quote: kebeskin
      Migrants place a significant burden on the state budget: getting children into school, receiving medical care, receiving state benefits, allowances, and so on.

      Even in the Baltics, this doesn't happen. A migrant works out his contract without his family.
    2. +3
      31 October 2025 10: 33
      They'll go, sure. But for the first time, the sidewalks and paths in the courtyards aren't swept. The garbage chute will be clogged. There's no one to clean it. So, they're doing a half-hearted job.
      1. 0
        31 October 2025 12: 27
        I haven't seen a single migrant worker in our housing development. Or rather, there was just one. We said goodbye to him. So, in addition to my other duties, I also work as a janitor, empty the trash bins, and keep the area around the building clean. I also mow the grass when needed. It's not difficult. And my ego hasn't suffered at all. Wow.
        1. 0
          1 November 2025 00: 33
          Quote: Jager
          As a result, in addition to their duties, I'm a street sweeper, empty the trash bins, and keep the area around the house clean. I also mow the grass when needed.
          - so yours direct duties purely rated - since you have time to do more and more full The amount of work a janitor does... And this is a waste of the building's residents' money—from utility bills. I wouldn't be surprised if someone's mother-in-law is listed as a janitor there...
      2. 0
        3 November 2025 17: 14
        What city is it in?
        In my city of over a million, I almost never see migrants working as janitors or cleaning entryways. They're all locals.
        There's a ton of them in shawarma shops and clothes shops. It's easier to work there.
        1. -1
          3 November 2025 17: 17
          You see, it's one country, but everything is different everywhere. I wrote about Moscow.
          1. 0
            3 November 2025 17: 24
            There are practically no migrants among the couriers. There are also locals working on our construction sites.
            Taxis, clothes sales, watermelon stalls, all kinds of ozone warehouses, snack bars, there are a lot of them there.
            Do we need this kind of migration?
            They are not available in the areas we need (excluding Moscow). And in areas where they are not needed, there are plenty of them.
            It's good that I don't see them in schools, kindergartens and hospitals.
    3. +6
      31 October 2025 12: 51
      Quote: kebeskin
      Our workers need to be paid more

      mainly due to taxes, our people get about the same amount in hand
      It's generally absurd that there are fewer taxes for foreigners.
  4. +22
    31 October 2025 04: 40
    Stop rocking the boat! The respected president recently signed a document on migration policy through 2030, and it expresses a desire to increase the number of migrants. Furthermore, he wants to facilitate the resettlement of migrants to the country, but only those who share traditional spiritual and moral values. So, if you're ready to slaughter sheep in the street, engage in banditry, and break every law imaginable, then welcome to Russia. I have flags on the license plates in my yard; it's not your typical provincial Russian yard, but the UN General Assembly. Tajikistan, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, and many others are here. And everyone drives expensive cars, buys apartments, renovates them on a grand scale, and walks around with their hands in their pants at all hours, while the locals drive 20-year-old or older cars, with one-room apartments on mortgages, and toil from dawn to dusk. I think they've gotten something mixed up somewhere...
    1. +29
      31 October 2025 08: 43
      If you want labor migrants, it's all been tried and tested in the Persian Gulf countries: no families – work, leave. It seems they're not bringing in labor migrants, but rather replacing the country's indigenous population.
      On November 25, it became known that the Russian government, in its conclusion on the draft law banning entry into Russia for families of migrant workers, recommended against adopting the document.
      1. +17
        31 October 2025 08: 55
        This impression,that they are not bringing in labor migrants, but rather replacing the country's indigenous population.

        This is not an impression - it is the harsh truth of life...
        but everyone has their own "truth" and no one likes someone else's...
      2. +7
        31 October 2025 12: 53
        Quote: Komsomol
        They are not bringing in labor migrants, but rather replacing the country's indigenous population.

        They create an ethnic group that is at odds with each other and is much easier to exploit.
        How Poles, Turks, and Czechs were brought into Germany instead of hiring Germans.
        But the Germans stopped this practice by uniting and taking to the streets to force people to stop doing it.
    2. +7
      31 October 2025 08: 58
      It seems to me that something was mixed up somewhere...
      No, no one is confused. Capitalists are interested in profit, and any additional spending on workers reduces profits. Diasporas that control entire sectors of the economy view Russia as a profit-making territory, so they use every available means and effort to circumvent legislation that limits profits. The largest component of profit reduction is the social burden, and this is what is passed on to the budget. The imbalance in this system is solely due to the pervasive corruption in the country, which is precisely what allows what happens: profits for the capitalists, losses for the budget, i.e., for honest taxpayers. hi
      1. +7
        31 October 2025 10: 35
        Capitalist Trump fights migrants, non-capitalist Putin imports them. Something's wrong with your logic.
        1. +5
          31 October 2025 12: 08
          If you answer your comment very briefly:
          Capitalist Trump
          Does not want to spend budget funds on low-skilled migrant labor.
          Non-capitalist Putin is importing.
          Apparently, it can afford to spend budget money on low-skilled migrant labor.
    3. +17
      31 October 2025 10: 14
      Quote from turembo
      there is a desire to increase the number of migrants

      The indigenous population is dying out at a breakneck pace, between 500 and a million people per year. That's according to Rosstat, the official source. However, they've now decided to classify this data to avoid stirring up trouble among the scum.
      Officially, the number of migrants imported amounts to 3 million per year, and there are constant calls to bring in even more. Of these, half a million are issued passports annually.
      We are waging a protracted war in which tens of thousands of fairly young and healthy men are dying and hundreds of thousands are maimed (and there are also many young people who have fled the country), and there is no end in sight.
      The total fertility rate in 2022 was 1,416, down from 2021 in 1,505. In 2024, it was already 1.37, and in 2025, it is expected to be 1.29.
      To maintain the population at the same level, a total fertility rate of about 2,1 births per woman over her lifetime is needed.
      How can the leader of a nation report to the population about his victories and achievements if in fact we have the most horrific losses of population?
      Who's going to pay the leader's ever-increasing taxes? People are the new oil, remember?
      That's why they carried it, they carry it and they will carry it.

      By article:
      Roughly speaking, one hard-working migrant from, say, Tajikistan brings a family with five children (15,000 rubles * 5 = 75,000 rubles monthly child support), arranges for a pension for himself and his wife's parents (17,000 rubles * 4 = 68,000 rubles monthly), receives 833,000 rubles in maternity capital, 450,000 rubles for a mortgage, and allocates between 135,000 and 175,000 rubles annually for each child (this is the cost of school education). A certain amount is spent on medical treatment; it's unpredictable, but let's take the minimum: 50,000 rubles per child per year.
      This means that the migrant's direct annual state support will amount to just over 2,5 million rubles. One-time payments for newborn children will also amount to another 4 million+. However, this isn't immediate, but rather spread out over time.
      Plus the state costs to compensate for the rate on preferential mortgages.
      All this does not count the use of the city’s infrastructure, the costs of the police, the Federal Migration Service, etc.

      Question: How much does a valuable Tajik specialist pay in taxes and contributions to funds? A patent costs 9 rubles now, I think?
      1. -6
        31 October 2025 13: 24
        Child benefits have stopped being paid
      2. -1
        1 November 2025 00: 51
        Quote: Mishka78
        arranges a pension for himself and his wife's parents - (17 thousand * 4 = 68 thousand monthly),

        Cut the sturgeon - 68(yes, yes!! Not at 65!!) for men for social purposes and 8824 the social pension itself is a ruble

        Quote: Mishka78
        How much does a valuable Tajik specialist pay in taxes and contributions to funds? A patent costs 9 rubles now, I think?
        In addition to the patent, he pays personal income tax—personally, not through his employer. If he doesn't pay, the patent is revoked.
        Also, to obtain a patent, he is required to have a compulsory medical insurance policy, that is, to carry out deductions - otherwise the insurance company will not issue it.
        So 9,000 is the cost of the patent itself - as a document....
        1. +5
          1 November 2025 09: 02
          Quote: your1970
          Trim sturgeon

          Okay, let's cut it. What will fundamentally change?
          Let's say the monthly income in the form of taxes and deductions from it is not 9 for the patent, but 20K. Or even 30K. 30 * 12 = 360K.
          And the expenditure is not 2,5 (I said that this is an extremely rough calculation), but 2 million.
          What does this fundamentally change?
          For the state, unskilled migrant labor is deeply detrimental. The state suffers a severe loss from them.
          But for those he works for and those he pays for protection, for breaking laws, etc., everything is quite good.
          This is our modern classic. The losses go to the state (read: citizens, since the state has no money of its own; it's all money squeezed out of us), while the profits go into private hands.
    4. +5
      31 October 2025 12: 32
      I'll let you in on a secret. Because the newcomers look out for each other. One got a better job, and within a year, he'd found jobs for all his relatives. Whenever a question or problem needs to be solved or supported, the locals are always there to help.
      And the locals "with one-room apartments in mortgages" live by the principle "if the neighbor's cow dies, it's already a holiday."
      1. 0
        4 November 2025 14: 50
        Yes, that's how diasporas emerge. Then comes bribery of officials in the security forces and the courts, and a state within a state emerges. What's good about that? Regarding the "if your neighbor's cow dies, it's a big deal" mentality, I'll say this: I don't see it in apartment buildings. It might happen in the private sector, and even then, only between neighbors who aren't on good terms with each other.
    5. 0
      1 November 2025 00: 37
      Quote from turembo
      Here are Tajikistan, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and many others.

      Import deadline for NOT Russian citizens - 90 days. After that, they must export their passport or extend their UVTS.
      Next, if you wish, you can file a complaint with your local customs office, and such vehicles can be successfully confiscated from their owners for subsequent customs clearance.
  5. +11
    31 October 2025 06: 35
    The figure of 170,000 is absolutely terrifying, if these are just Tajik migrants who received Russian citizenship in just one year. I suspect they haven't even gone through all the stages and rigorous stages that Russians, for example, must endure to obtain citizenship in Tajikistan, let alone citizenship in all the "European" countries, if Russians, for whatever reason, such as family, need or must migrate to Tajikistan or European countries. That is, Russians must be practically fluent in the official language of the country they are migrating to, first obtain temporary and then permanent residence permits, a work permit, must provide bank statements proving the "transparency" of their financial income, and, when applying for citizenship, must also pass an exam on the history and constitution of the country to which the Russian wishes to migrate from Russia.
    So, that's just 170,000 migrants from Tajikistan, and in just one year! And how many more from other countries like Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Ukraine, Armenia, and Turkmenistan have been pouring into Russia over the past twenty years? But for a Russian from Russia to obtain not even Turkmen citizenship, but even a simple visa to visit Turkmenistan, it's not just a headache with hundreds of obstacles to refuse; it's a real pain if the person wants to get there not just with a herd of tourists when a tour is already formed, but to visit relatives whenever the Russian wants or needs to.
    Now, about the migrants' insolence to this day and their clearly shadowy income, which is the foundation upon which their rudeness and impudence rests. This is just the tip of the iceberg compared to their future rudeness and sense of self-satisfaction if the real insult to their true allies is yet to come, or when, after Russia's victory in the Northeast Military District, workers and specialists are invited to help rebuild the liberated territories of Little Russia, not from North Korea and Belarus, but from imported or locust-like millions of migrants from those countries from which all of Russia is already mourning and weeping for their migrants!
    1. -15
      31 October 2025 06: 50
      And it’s a great idea to populate new territories with them.
      1. +4
        1 November 2025 00: 19
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        And it’s a great idea to populate new territories with them.

        Exactly!
        Russians should fight for new territories and populate them with migrants!
        What multiculturalism, what brotherhood of peoples!
        1. -4
          1 November 2025 09: 09
          They still need to be populated and someone needs to work there.
          1. -1
            3 November 2025 17: 17
            How do you know?
            Rather the opposite
        2. 0
          3 November 2025 17: 17
          Nastyusha has gone completely crazy...
          Good idea...to put young men and migrants in their place.
          Just super....
  6. +7
    31 October 2025 06: 35
    It's a shame that corruption has reached the point where even teachers of Russian don't pass the Russian language exam because they don't have that kind of money.
  7. +8
    31 October 2025 06: 50
    Where are they going to find highly skilled migrants? Their high-tech production is just as ruined there as it is here. The most they have is a screwdriver factory.
  8. +5
    31 October 2025 07: 26
    The issue here isn't migration itself, but rather skilled migrants. For example, Turkey has representation in Central Asian countries that specifically attract skilled citizens of other countries, while Russia attracts the uneducated. Now, we need to take steps to ensure that intelligent people who are useful to society, not just anyone, come to the country.
    1. +1
      31 October 2025 09: 28
      But the reality is that a qualified and intelligent person won't go to the Russian Federation; there's simply nothing for them to do here. Instead, they'll go, and happily, to the same "gay Europe" and other Americas and Chinas that everyone dislikes here.
  9. +4
    31 October 2025 08: 51
    "Economically unfeasible": low-skilled Migrants bring losses to developed countries

    low-skilled - what are they?
    It's high time for us to ask ourselves the question: what is low-skilled labor?
    When a person receives a higher education diploma in economics, and this specialist works as a dispatcher?
    What kind of work is this? - highly skilled?
    We throw around words and terms without bothering to understand what is being said...
    1. +8
      31 October 2025 09: 26
      The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

      Quote: Dedok
      What is low-skilled labor?

      Low-skilled labor is what our elected deputies in the Duma from United Russia and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are dealing with. How many laws have they passed in the interests of Russia and the people?

      Highly skilled work is performed by people at their workplace and they do it professionally, with high quality, regardless of where they work.

      There are elections next year. Don't think that those who have worn out a pair of pants and skirts in the Duma for more than 30 years will change for the better – they've proven their worthlessness.

      ps
      Labor can be productive or managerial.
      The result of productive labor is an adopted law, a written book, a film made, a harvested crop, a bolt turned by a turner, a faucet repaired by a mechanic, etc.
      The result of productive labor lies in the quality of the organization of productive labor.
      1. +5
        31 October 2025 09: 35
        The last line should be read as: Result of labor managerial as an organization of productive labor.
      2. +9
        31 October 2025 10: 56
        Quote: Boris55
        Don't think that those who have worn out more than one pair of trousers and skirts in Duma seats for more than 30 years will change for the better - they have proven their worthlessness.

        Boris Leontyevich, let me tap into the source of wisdom. Tell a foolish person who to vote for?! We're eating Russia and the communists are gone, okay?
        Slutsker is a populist clown; he's as far away from Zhirinovsky as he is from China on all fours.
        The bulldog Mironov was initially repulsive, and without the help of the AP in pushing his pseudo-party into the Duma, he had no chance all these years, and he still doesn't have one now.
        Who should I side with?! You and the leader of the nation are renowned geostrategists, battling the hydra of liberalism day and night. Please advise this fool.
        1. +3
          31 October 2025 11: 18
          There is a Russian spirit here, there is a smell of Russia here...

          Quote: Mishka78
          Who to vote for?!

          For no one!

          There is no point in choosing from the "menu" of candidates that the bourgeoisie has provided us with.

          If you really want to vote for someone, then vote for Mironov - SR. At least there's some variety...
          1. +5
            31 October 2025 11: 38
            Quote: Boris55
            vote for Mironov

            Bad advice. It's not being accepted. Mironova created United Russia to siphon votes from the Communist Party. No one votes for it, and it's the presidential administration that's dragging it along; without their help, it would have been kicked out of the Duma long ago. Apshechka simply needs to create the appearance of a multi-party system and diverse views. That's why they're dragging this dismal piece of shit along.
            1. +3
              31 October 2025 11: 53
              The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

              I wrote - for no one, and if it itches so much that it’s unbearable, then, for a change, for SR...

              The issue is different – ​​the secret ballot. It's secret only for us. This allows them to manipulate the voting results.

              Is there another way, more just than the current one? Yes. But that's not the topic of this thread.
      3. -1
        31 October 2025 11: 04
        But you're in vain now about the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, my dear sir. You're well-versed in this matter and should know what a parliamentary absolute majority is, right? Yes
        1. +7
          31 October 2025 11: 25
          The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

          Quote from AdAstra
          But you're wrong about the Communist Party of the Russian Federation now.

          United Russia and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are the Communist Party of the Soviet Union that destroyed the USSR and, having split into two, continue the work of destroying Russia...

          United Russia is a Vlasovite party, behind which the Trotskyist Communist Party of the Russian Federation (CPRF) rules. Just as in 1917, having an overwhelming majority in the party, they hid behind the Bolsheviks—the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), not the All-Union Communist Party (Turkish Communist Party), which allowed them to blame the Bolsheviks for all their atrocities, and just as they will blame the Vlasovites for the collapse of Russia in the future...
    2. +1
      31 October 2025 12: 47
      low-skilled - what are they?

      Those who lack professional skills in their field of work. A person with a trowel is not yet a tiler or a mason.
      1. +2
        31 October 2025 14: 10
        Those who lack professional skills in their field of work. A person with a trowel is not yet a tiler or a mason.

        too simple for the situation I was describing:
        Many years ago, two Tajiks were digging a well for me: the "elder" spoke without an accent and, when introducing himself, said he was a trauma surgeon...
        I didn't believe it, but I think I had to change my mind the next day - my neighbor cut his hand and this Tajik easily stopped the bleeding and when the ambulance arrived, I was surprised by what I saw.
        It was almost 15 years ago...
        Therefore, it is not clear to me who formulates it this way and what they mean by it...
  10. +14
    31 October 2025 09: 11
    Migration in its current form is a sabotage against Russia.
    The culprits must be sought in Moscow, in high offices.
    1. -6
      31 October 2025 09: 29
      "turembo
      (mike)
      +10
      Today, 04: 40
      New
      Well, why are you rocking the boat here?
      Yes laughing
      1. +5
        31 October 2025 11: 49
        They're pumping from above, but we can't really pump from the bottom.
    2. +3
      31 October 2025 09: 53
      The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

      Quote: Million
      The culprits must be sought in Moscow, in high offices.

      We need to look for the culprits locally, and As long as someone else is to blame for our troubles, our troubles will not leave us..

      Domestic policy, through the adoption of laws, is shaped by the Duma deputies, whose deputies we all elected - they are all local, all ours, all dear to us...

      Maybe it's time to come to our senses and stop electing those who, for more than 30 years, have not passed a single worthwhile law that would have a positive impact on our lives?

      If the United Russia deputies, who hold a constitutional majority in the Duma, were to remove Article 75 of the Constitution (regarding the Central Bank's independence from any authority), we would find ourselves in a completely different economic situation. We would be managing our own treasury, not the US, via the IMF, managing our money...
    3. -7
      31 October 2025 13: 26
      Deport the migrants, the population will remain not 146 but 120
      1. -1
        31 October 2025 17: 33
        fool
        Oh, why don't you like that five strangers have moved in with you?! Your family of five probably feels so empty and lonely!
        Now, let these 5 live with you. After all, it's the quantity that matters, and nothing else, right?
        1. -5
          31 October 2025 18: 57
          For the economy, it's better for strangers to live with you; your opinion about them doesn't matter to those above.
  11. +9
    31 October 2025 09: 28
    Whatever we say, they'll just keep bringing them here. They're simply replacing us, raising our population growth rates. In a few generations, whites will be a minority, and this scum won't need a strong country, so we'll turn into the agrarian, narrow-minded 4th-world nation the West so covets. We'll disintegrate into kagonates, caliphates, and principalities. We're not afraid of an external enemy; we're being consumed by an infection from within, and it's incurable!
    1. -1
      1 November 2025 01: 07
      Quote: Vadim S
      The evil spirits don't need a strong country and we will turn into the agrarian, narrow-minded 4th world country so desired by the West.

      She understands perfectly well that within half an hour of the country's weakening, she will simply be taken away from them. And they will be given Berezovsky's scarf...
  12. +3
    31 October 2025 09: 41
    Throughout world history, humans have sought to acquire cheap labor because unskilled labor frees the indigenous population from menial, low-prestige, and low-paid work, allowing them to lead idle lives and engage in intellectual pursuits, raising the overall level of development of the state as a whole and attracting migrants to industrial agglomerations both from their own underdeveloped regions and from other states. This has always been the case, is the case, and will always be the case. The heaviest burden is borne by the first generation of migrants, who must endure the humiliation of the indigenous population and the oppression of their masters. But subsequent generations, according to Darwin's theory, adapt to the environment and become equal members of society, at least formally, which allows them to fight for their rights.
    1. 0
      31 October 2025 18: 07
      The problem isn't the influx of unskilled migrants—people are drawn to better places, such as cities and more developed states—but rather poorly thought-out legislation. In the US and EU, this policy has led to serious problems, and our Duma deputies have taken advantage of this by passing populist laws like Russian language exams and oaths of allegiance. Since the war began, thousands of indigenous people have fled in all directions, and half of the indigenous Russian-speaking population won't pass the Russian language exam. Material incentives improve living standards, but they've never solved the problem of increasing the birth rate, although many have tried. Solving the population problem is far more important for the Russian Federation than anything else, and the president constantly talks about it at every opportunity. In many regions in the Trans-Ural Mountains, the population density reaches one person per square kilometer. How can we develop resources and defend a vast territory with virtually no population? Bringing in outsiders who are part-timers is expensive and detrimental to the environment. The population problem can be quickly solved within a few generations only by acquiring and assimilating migrants. To avoid their clustering along ethnic lines, a well-thought-out system of distributing them across a vast territory requiring labor is necessary. When introduced to a new environment, all living things are forced to adapt, and in the case of migrants, they are forced to assimilate with the native population. Over the course of three millennia, China assimilated hundreds of different peoples, speaking different languages ​​and worshiping their patron saints, because the proportion of native and immigrant populations was maintained. Even the Bible specifies the conditions under which foreigners are considered fully integrated into the people of Israel.
  13. Des
    +1
    31 October 2025 10: 13
    If the local population is weak, disorganized, and lacks a government focused on the region's prosperity at the expense of local people and, most importantly, uncorrupted... then organized, well-motivated, supportive, and self-assured individuals—passionaries—will inevitably emerge. Their nationality doesn't matter (but history will be). Traders will always win in peacetime; they have the money and the inclination to prioritize profit. That's what happened after the collapse of the USSR.
    Those who do not work are held in high esteem.
    We get what we deserve.
    It's only the beginning.
    1. 0
      31 October 2025 11: 09
      Are you calling for a revolution now, or what? The local population isn't always weak and sometimes they want to, and they can organize, but it's the authorities who suppress it, often using force. Those same passionate locals. So what should we do in this case, eh? Just let's not talk about elections and the like?
      1. Des
        0
        31 October 2025 20: 23
        Quote from AdAstra
        Are you calling for a Revolution now or what?
        ))) -
        or what.
        Revolution is not possible now, this is clear to everyone.
    2. 0
      1 November 2025 01: 11
      Quote: Des
      Traders always win in peacetime; they have the money and the inclination to prioritize profit. That's what happened after the collapse of the USSR.

      This happened long before the end of the USSR (1960s) - when the Central Market in Moscow became Armenian, and the Cheryomushkinsky Market became Azerbaijani....
  14. +9
    31 October 2025 11: 12
    I don't like the fact that laws, decrees, instructions, and so on are being passed, but no one asks Russian citizens anything. All voting and elections have become a farce and a formality. It feels like some kind of infection is corroding our entire society from top to bottom.
  15. +11
    31 October 2025 11: 24
    I'm sure the Author himself understands everything, but he doesn't write because he can't:

    "...issues of migration, which, instead of boosting the Russian economy, become a financial burden?"
    They may be a burden for the Russian Federation. But for the pockets of employers, officials, and capitalists, it's profit, profit, profit...
    It's a classic. Expenses go to the budget. Income goes to the masters of life.

    Janitors, construction workers, laborers, cashiers, cleaners, even employees at banks and multifunctional centers... it's profitable when part of their salary goes into the pockets of high-ranking officials... "The market decides."
  16. +1
    31 October 2025 11: 51
    For bourgeois countries, any worker is not profitable
    the only profitable thing is robbing colonies
  17. +5
    31 October 2025 12: 27
    However, Matveyev believes that the prospects for this law to be adopted are slim, since Russia is not prepared to tighten relations with the countries of Central Asia.
    We didn't expect anything else from our government; all the problems will be blamed on the indigenous population, Russians first and foremost.
  18. +3
    31 October 2025 18: 20
    "Economically unviable": low-skilled migrants are a loss for developed countries

    Explain this to Herman Oskarovich Gref, although in his opinion, people are the new oil. He needs stupid, unthinking consumers, and who they are is of no importance to him.
  19. +1
    31 October 2025 18: 38
    A principle. Where do low-skilled workers and people come from? The answer is simple. They arise from the activities of highly educated and highly qualified government officials across the planet and in any country. In any country!!! After all, it was they who took/are taking/taking upon themselves the responsibility of power. It is these people who have taken upon themselves such responsibility/power. They MUST and ARE RESPONSIBLE to create conditions for people/the population that allow them to become educated. CREATE THE CONDITIONS!!!
    But no!!! What if they get smarter!??? Horrible. They'll remove me anyway, in short. That's the first thing.
    Second. Do we in our own country know what they show on TV?! More crime, more bloodshed, more horror and fear beyond measure. That's the formula for THEIR success and wealth. Not yours, mind you, but THEIRs.
    The government has learned for centuries to fill people's heads with all sorts of garbage. It's easier for them to live.
  20. +1
    31 October 2025 20: 42
    A monstrous provocation occurred 32 years ago. When nationalists of all stripes and lying party officials were declaring to their "own people": "We feed everyone, if we secede, we'll rule!"
    The Balts, Ukrainians, and Transcaucasians (including Armenia, our current ally) suffered from this more than anyone else.
    There were also conflicts in the Central Asian republics, but they had no intention of leaving the Union, and even after Viskuli, they couldn't get over the fact that they were no longer governed from Moscow for a year or two. Tajikistan also suffered a brutal civil war, with 90-100 dead and 90 fleeing to Afghanistan. And the Russians, abandoned by Yeltsin and Gorbachev in all these countries, became responsible for all this chaos, second- or third-class citizens.
    And so they had to be repatriated, expending effort and money (the toad?), and creating favorable conditions for it. By this, I mean all those "non-titular" for this "new state" with their native Russian language, since Tatars, Ossetians, Chechens, Germans... and many others found themselves in this situation.
    But we should have immediately treated the titled ones (still haven't done so) as full-fledged foreigners. Or are we satisfied with an "Armenian license" for the driver of a truck loaded with bricks that buried a bus in the Moscow region? Or a Tajik license for the driver who sank a bus full of passengers into a canal in St. Petersburg? Not to mention those bizarre "specialists" – MMA fighters? What do we need them for? The tough guys – welcome to the SVO, to prove themselves, and maybe even earn citizenship, and deservedly so! And as for bullying – well, go ahead and bully us at home; and even then, the Uzbek police aren't so kind...
  21. +6
    31 October 2025 21: 53
    And if you consider that migrants are putting their busybodies and babies on our necks, plus their elderly parents on our pensions, then the idiocy of what's happening is only invisible to the Duma and the Kremlin.
    1. +2
      1 November 2025 21: 03
      the idiocy of what is happening is not visible only from the Duma and the Kremlin
      Is the Kremlin deliberately bringing them to construction sites, warehouses, farms, etc.? Is the Kremlin setting up fake apartments, setting up agencies to arrange sham marriages for expedited citizenship, and issuing fake certificates of history and language proficiency? Is the Kremlin willing to pay pennies to foreign citizens, but not to pay decent salaries to its own? Does the Kremlin then go and spend it all on foreign resorts and post stories of happy lives on Facebook and Instagram? If so, I worked in some of these Kremlins back then. Only in the early 2000s, the migrants were mostly from Ukraine and Moldova; now they've been replaced by people from Central Asia. And I remember well how the owners of these Kremlins spent millions on vacations from work at foreign resorts, yet paid their workers barely above the minimum wage. Now, one such Kremlin owner has a daughter who lives and works in the United States.
      1. 0
        1 November 2025 22: 06
        It's clear that such a disenfranchised workforce is needed to freeze wages for local workers. Meanwhile, these importers of Central Asian meat don't care about the bottom line; they have no intention of spending their old age in Russia.
        1. 0
          1 November 2025 22: 17
          They don't plan to spend their old age in Russia.
          That's the point! When the latest wave of "worker meat" rhetoric begins, it's funny to watch local businesses begin to falter.
          1. 0
            1 November 2025 22: 23
            It is telling that our press depicts the horrors committed by migrants in Germany and France, but remains shamefully silent about our authorities running in their wake with their eyes wide open.
            1. 0
              1 November 2025 22: 42
              There are also frequent mentions in our press, but more often in crime reports.

              Our authorities, with their eyes wide open, run along their path.
              What do the authorities have to do with this? Are the authorities importing cheap, inexperienced, and untrained labor to work for these businesses? Am I right in thinking that the "governments, with their eyes wide open," are the primary beneficiaries of this importation? So they can then reap the brunt of social unrest and resolve tensions through legislation? Is that right? And the businessmen have nothing to do with it, and they all pose as patriots and lawmakers? And aren't all the businessmen crying over the lack of money and the desperate shortage of highly skilled, but low-paid workers?
              As for the domestic press, we're now seeing clearly commissioned stories about grandmothers who sold their existing homes and then filed lawsuits to reverse the deal and move back in. This is all because people are gradually stopping buying new buildings, which are primarily built by migrant workers. What does this have to do with businessmen, you might ask?
              1. 0
                3 November 2025 14: 57
                But here's a small nuance. The same people write the laws, import migrants, and profit from them. Milkmaids, combine operators, miners, and doctors have long been absent from the Duma. Instead, it's the clerks of all stripes and their cronies who have vested interests in a disenfranchised workforce.
                1. 0
                  8 November 2025 18: 46
                  The same people write the laws, bring in migrants, and profit from them.
                  Yeah, I can just see it in our remote regions, how they write laws and bring in migrants. Welcome to the outer Moscow region, where the laws are mostly natural.
  22. 0
    1 November 2025 10: 12
    Matveyev believes that the prospects for this law to be adopted are slim, since Russia is not prepared to tighten relations with the countries of Central Asia.

    In fact, this is parasitism and harshness on their part. I don't see any reason why ending this will complicate the relationship; on the contrary, the existence of this hole complicates it daily.
    Moreover, those who enter with their families often behave quite aggressively within the country—they came to conquer, not to live together, and certainly not to help us. So why help them?
  23. 0
    1 November 2025 11: 34
    Low-skilled billionaires cause losses to society, which also contributes to the daily bailout of their businesses during every crisis. In doing so, they lower their own standard of living.

    Backward businessmen, like the slave-trading overseers of the past, steal the fruits of workers' incomes daily.

    When I hear the word "low-skilled," I realize I'm dealing with a reptile with whom it's pointless to argue, a person who is de facto a racist and classist. Besides, the time for arguments is over, or rather, never was.
  24. 0
    1 November 2025 20: 50
    It's long been proven that the only beneficiaries of migrant labor are the businessmen who exploit them. But what's gained in one place must be lost in another. Therefore, ordinary citizens pay for everything else. However, the vast majority of businessmen couldn't care less about all this reasoning; the rest couldn't care less. Their main concerns are the upcoming increase in recycling fees on luxury cars and the rising cost of tours to Bali. The fact that ordinary people are suffering is of no concern to anyone—it's nothing personal, just business.
    1. 0
      3 November 2025 11: 43
      And he won't get into any trouble for it. It's systemic and has been going on for a long time. Everyone sees it and understands it, so discussing it is pointless.