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Germany and the euro: together or apart?

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Germany and the euro: together or apart?Among the Germans, a new party quickly gained popularity, advocating the liberation of the fatherland from the single currency, the euro. The other day, the first congress of this political movement, bearing the proud name "Alternative for Germany." Experts believe that the "Alternative" will not be able to break out of the leaders of the party race in the country, but it is quite possible to press the CDA and take away votes from the new opponents of the euro. Angela Merkel is unlikely to like it.


As the "Russian service BBC", “Alternative for Germany”, established in March of 2013, calls for abandoning the euro. Eurozone countries must return to their currencies.

At the first congress, one and a half thousand of its participants met with enthusiasm the performance of their leader Bernd Luke. “Because of the euro, residents of southern Europe feel free to express their contempt for Germany using comparisons with the Nazis,” he said. “Eurocurrency has been a fiasco, and it will be wrong to continue to believe in a fairy tale.”

Despite the categorical assertions of Chancellor Merkel, who believes that Europe can stagger when the euro crashes, Comrade Luke is convinced that if the Eurocurrency collapses, then Europe will stand. He believes that financial assistance to the countries of Southern Europe will not solve their problems, but will only aggravate them. Along with this, he stresses that his party does not oppose European unity.

Earlier in an interview with the same BBC Professor Luke noted that because of the single currency, it is more difficult for Europe to cope with the financial crisis. Some countries experiencing problems with competitiveness need to be devalued, he says, but in the current situation it is impossible.

Today, Alternative for Germany was able to enlist the support of a number of academicians and disillusioned members of the CDU. The movement of Professor Luke is going to seek a national referendum - on the Swiss model (regarding decisions taken by the European Union, including the allocation of packages of economic assistance to other countries).

True, according to the latest April poll, only 7% of Germans are ready to vote for this game. However, another 17% of respondents reflects on this possibility. Analysts of the BBC express doubts that the party will manage to overcome the 5% barrier in the September elections. Experts, however, note that popular Angela Merkel will still have to “go through a very narrow path between those who are already tired of the constant need to help the poorer countries in the eurozone and those who support Germany’s efforts to preserve the single currency.”

With regard to reducing the competitiveness of some countries belonging to the eurozone, then the "VO" has already been reported about it. We are talking about the so-called "peripheral countries", which not only are experiencing a financial crisis today, but who are facing serious economic problems in the near future.

Recall that the three comrades - Jesus Fernandez-Villaverde, an employee of the University of Pennsylvania, Luis Garicano, an employee of the London School of Economics, Tano Santos, a graduate student at the Business School of Columbia University (New York) - collaborating with The National Bureau of Economic Research, that is, the National Bureau of Economic Research (Massachusetts), wrote a voluminous composition on the crisis in the eurozone.

The authors of the document stated that the adoption of the euro currency did not advance the economy of the European periphery countries, but only delayed the inevitable crisis and then led to a worsening of the situation. The economies of these countries, which received a prolongation of loans and thus a postponement of the moment when the speculative “bubbles” burst, actually returned to the old bad financial state. To the "peripheral" countries, analysts attributed Greece, Spain, Ireland and Portugal.

Earlier, before the introduction of the euro, these same peripheral countries used devaluation, the authors write to recover from the effects of adverse business cycles, which, however, did not improve the basic volatility of their economies. With the euro, there has been a deterioration in the sense that it has become impossible to apply the devaluation policy. The single currency, the euro, envisioned a single currency and tax policy, which prompted social agents to change their macroeconomic decisions, which were previously often based on inflation.

So, the euro made it impossible for the financial game to depreciate its own currency, which once helped in crises better than any loans and rescue programs.

But the new reality has helped someone else in Europe, economists say. Germany’s rather stagnant economy at that time, faced with the Maastricht agreements, really embarked on the path of structural reforms, thereby reviving its exports. But what happened in Germany did not work for the peripheral countries.

So, Germany is good; peripheral countries are bad. That is, the rich have become richer, the poor - poorer. Nothing like? That's it.

But in recent years, such a tense economic and political situation has developed in the eurozone that the rich have become dissatisfied with life. Even those who, taking advantage of the position of a prosperous country, should have rejoiced at the increasing political power - after all, politics is following the economy, and not vice versa - now they don’t want to live as before and are ready to abandon the euro. That is why Professor Luke’s party is so popular. Many Germans do not believe that they should finance the impoverished countries of the European Union. How much can you really? Angela Merkel is one thing, this is power, but ordinary Germans are completely different, this is people. Do they want another "Reich" in Europe, a big question. And the chancellor, whether she wants to or not, will have to take their opinion into account. Their growing, growing opinion. Opinion of those who call themselves "eurosceptics".

Correspondent "Voices of Russia" Sergey Duz revealed the main trend in the statements of the current European skeptics. The author of the report informs that the main idea, which runs through in numerous expert conclusions and political discussions, is that the eurozone must be either reformed or disbanded.

Scientist and writer Konrad Adam, one of the leaders of the “Alternative for Germany”, believes that there is a need for an open discussion in society about measures to save the economies of the EU countries:

“We are confident that the continued presence of Germany in the current monetary union is expensive. More expensive than the decision to end this failed experiment. You will have to pay dearly in any case, but if we don’t step out of this wrong path, this price will only increase. The exit from the eurozone is not a loss for Germany, but a gain. ”


Comrade Adam considers it unacceptable that for the sake of the dubious expediency of saving the euro hundreds of billions are thrown to the wind. Euroskeptics criticize official Berlin, ignoring the option of returning to the mark or to small currency unions within Europe.

Vladislav Belov, head of the Center for German Studies, Head of the Department of Countries and Regions at the Institute of Europe, RAS, believes that the eurozone should have relied on a narrow circle of countries capable of ensuring currency stability. But its expansion to Portugal, Spain, Greece (countries that could not boast of financial discipline) was a gross mistake. Now there is a payment on the accounts 14-year-old.

Nevertheless, Vladislav Belov believes that the eurozone will remain as a political confederation - in a larger or smaller composition.

A curious opinion was expressed by Grigory Guselnikov, managing partner of the London-based company G2 Capital Partners. In fact, he cited evidence of the "death" of the euro.

He proposed to study the dynamics of beer prices in the EU. It becomes clear that the price of beer in Germany over the past 15 years has not changed much, but it jumped in Greece and Italy. That is, the meaning of the single currency zone - a person should be able to buy the same product for a similar amount - destroyed. Prices in Europe today are different. Consequently, the single currency no longer exists. It remains only to express it formally.

As for the rich Germans, there is a limit to wealth. Mikhail Khazin notes that European outsiders should have remained almost the entire world. It will be difficult for Berlin to explain to the German man in the street why he must lower his standard of living in order to pay the Bulgarian or Latvian debts to American banks.

The meaning of EU enlargement for Germany was in guaranteed sales markets. At the same time, Germany’s contribution to the EU budget came back: there was a demand for German goods in the “small” EU countries. Now the situation has changed: the money that goes to the EU budget from Germany is gone forever: the poor periphery buys cheap food and clothes on them. There was no expensive German goods in the budget category. The expert concludes that either the EU will take a political decision that unity is most important, and in this case everyone must pay, pay and pay again, or the economic start will prevail, and then the EU will not become on the world map.

Against the backdrop of lively speeches by European skeptics, desperate European officials, who for understandable reasons want to save the EU in one form or another, also put forward some original ideas.

Ekaterina Metelitsa (Slon.ru), referring to the TV and Radio Company RTBF, spoke about the “idea of ​​the day”: plans to create a “new euro” by Germany and the Netherlands.

The idea of ​​a new “Eurozone” with a new currency was expressed by the ex-European Commissioner for the domestic market Fritz Bolkestein. This Dutchman offers strong and creditworthy (for the present) EU countries to introduce a new currency that would exist in parallel with the euro.

Mr. Bolkestein believes that the issuer of the new currency should be the Central Bank of Germany, and the Netherlands will join the established monetary union. France will not allow Bolkestein into his “eurozone”: this country, in his opinion, is “poorly controlled” and is already “practically bankrupt”.

What will be the name of the new currency? How how…. Mark.

Bolkestein is sure: even if the authorities of the strongest Euro-regions do not decide on such a step now, sooner or later the idea of ​​a new euro will still become reality. “In five years they will speak differently,” said Fritz, adding that Europe is experiencing only the initial stage of the financial crisis.

Catherine Metelitsa recalls that the idea of ​​a "new euro" does not belong to Bolcestein. Last summer, Marcus Kerber, a professor at the Technical University of Berlin, proposed to unite in a new currency bloc to competitive countries.

I wonder what name herr Kerber offered for the new currency?

In his opinion, it should be called Guldenmark.

In addition to Germany and the Netherlands, Finland, Austria and Luxembourg will have to join the new union. And the old euro, according to the idea of ​​Kerber, should be devalued. Inflation will smooth out differences in competitiveness between prosperous and peripheral countries.

Thus, euro skeptics predict the near collapse of the euro. Many experts consider the adoption of the euro in peripheral countries as the main economic mistake of the creators of the single currency, which prevented not only the devaluation of the national currency with the aim of eliminating the crisis, but also made it impossible to conduct its own monetary policy. The political situation in Europe, including Germany, also serves as a factor of instability. More and more voices are being voiced, dissatisfied with the German “feeding” policy of the rapidly impoverished euro periphery. The popularity of Angela Merkel, firmly guarding the EU and the single euro currency, can be significantly dropped by the smart and scholars of the Alternative for Germany party. The movement was created only a month and a half ago, and already managed to win the hearts of voters. Almost every fourth representative of the electorate today either shares the ideas of the “alternatives” or sympathizes with them. And the official Berlin cannot pass by this movement.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 29 2013 08: 01 New
    +8
    Miraculous things ... But indeed, in the near future, the situation in the world can change very dramatically, and even if the euro stands, it will not be sweet for countries that have joined the European Union and have a weak economy, and if the euro collapses, such countries will not have to doubly sweet ...
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. April 29 2013 08: 07 New
      +7
      Famously parasites were planted on the Germans' neck. Good luck to the German people in the fight against the occupying Euro.
      1. Alexander-Tomsk
        Alexander-Tomsk April 29 2013 09: 21 New
        +7
        I would say famously the Germans shod half of Europe, put forward favorable conditions for them to enter new countries into the Euro zone and skimmed the cream from new accession markets. They ruined industry in the countries of Eastern and Southern Europe under the talk of green harmless production and the economy based on services and tourism (which is nonsense).
        А теперь когда необходимо поддержать своих партнеров по Евросоюзу, говрят: "Нет вы банкроты, нищеброды, сами себя спасайте, нам это невыгодно. И вообще табачок врозь".
        Сейчас хотят построить новую "пирамиду" из северных стран, надеюсь фины окажутся поумнее и неполезут в эту германскую казарму.
        1. iliq
          iliq April 29 2013 11: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
          I would say famously the Germans shod half of Europe, put forward favorable conditions for them to enter new countries into the Euro zone and skimmed the cream from new accession markets.

          there are a dozen countries other than Germany. and the decision must be unanimous ...

          Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
          Ruined industry in Eastern and Southern Europe under the talk of green harmless production and a service and tourism economy

          and what ruined? those who offered to play by the general rules? Well, this is not just about newcomers - Seat VAGovsky is being covered, Opel is completely closed in Bochum ...
          and SAAB with Volvo also killed the Germans? Nokiyu from Germany to Slovakia survived?

          Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
          А теперь когда необходимо поддержать своих партнеров по Евросоюзу, говрят: "Нет вы банкроты, нищеброды, сами себя спасайте, нам это невыгодно. И вообще табачок врозь".

          yes no, say the following:
          "за воровство и некомпетентность вашего правительства спрашивайте с него! лавочка (девольвация) по воровству денег у собственных граждан мы вам прикрыли!" - не даёт еврозона спалить на счетах людей деньги, как это было раньше - как можно было ка 1 евро купить буханку хлеба, так и сейчас можно - не то что раньше- на 10 драхм "вдруг" стало возможно купить не буханку, а лишь четвертинку...
          Well, there’s still every little thing, like a guarantee for 800 euros (000 from each burgher)

          Quote: Alexander-Tomsk
          Сейчас хотят построить новую "пирамиду" из северных стран, надеюсь фины окажутся поумнее и неполезут в эту германскую казарму.

          laughing
    2. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq April 29 2013 08: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      even if the euro stands

      Good day to all !!!
      Вот помяните мои слова, но в европе, да и в америке, в недалеком будущем отвернутся от "либералестических" экономик и начнут проводить реформы, и только нащи компрадорские либерасты будут цепляться за эту мерзость....
      Посмотрел "Ответы Путина Народу" - стало грустно.....
      1. iliq
        iliq April 29 2013 11: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Вот помяните мои слова, но в европе, да и в америке, в недалеком будущем отвернутся от "либералестических" экономик и начнут проводить реформы,

        already starting, and the process is gaining momentum!
      2. andrejwz
        andrejwz April 29 2013 11: 25 New
        +3
        Quote: ziqzaq
        Посмотрел "Ответы Путина Народу" - стало грустно.....

        И за что наминусовали? Zigzag прав. Из ответов Путина следует, что Россия, в лице президента и правительства, пытаясь удерживать социальное равновесие в погоне за рынком (Рынок во всех сферах фетиш нашего руководства) развивает банковскую деятельностсь, биржу и торговлю. В промышленность государство вкладывается не просто осторожно а скорее неохотно.Призывая инвестировать промышленнсть частные компании и зарубежных "партнеров" наше государство устраняется от этого, упираясь ногами и руками.
        Да, немецкие товары дороги для "периферийных" стран Европпы и брать под их приобретение новые кредиты, не по силам. Кризис 2008 года - первая ласточка, которая пролетела мимо нас, ничему не научив. Мы спасали банковский сектор, ведь мы уже подсели на кредитную иглу. И, что? Пытались что то изменить? Нет, мы эту иглу вталкивали в себя обеими руками.
      3. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq April 29 2013 12: 18 New
        +3
        It became sad after the answers of the GDP to the topics:
        "О хитросделанным чубайсе", "О псевдочестном сердюкове"......
    3. Kaa
      Kaa April 29 2013 08: 44 New
      12
      Quote: svp67
      , and if the euro collapses, then such countries will have to be doubly sweet ...
      Будет бундесмарка, и че?-"Германия начала воссоздавать золотой запас в 1951 году. Максимума он достиг в 1990 году – 3701 тонна – and it is the second largest stock in the world, after the USA. Now it is 3396 tons. In the early 1990s, almost all German gold was stored in three countries - the United States, England and France. Then the German government began to slowly return it back (about the reasons - below). Currently, only a third of 3396 tons of German gold reserves are stored in their homeland. Its main part, 45% (1536 tons), is located in the United States, at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The rest is in the central banks of France and Great Britain (374 and 450 tons, respectively). Interestingly, Germany began to return gold only from England, in just 20 years, 930 tons were brought from there. The United States and France continue to hold it in full. Germany began to slowly export its gold reserves from the holdings of the victorious countries in the early 1990s. Why in these years? Some explanation was given in 2007 by the sensational book German Map. Closed game of secret services "under the authorship of Gerd-Helmut Komossa. The “German Map” tells of hidden, but extremely acute, contradictions between the USA and Germany - contradictions that are not yet customary to speak out loud. . It is interesting that the Germans most actively export gold from England. Apparently, they are fully freed from obligations to this country. The German secondary establishment already openly says that their country must not only fully restore its sovereignty, but also seek the creation of the Paris-Berlin-Moscow axis, behind which there is “historical truth”. “From our European history, we know that always in those days when peace and harmony reigned between Moscow, Berlin and Paris, then all of Europe prospered. This means that we should no longer allow others to set us against each other. This must be ended once and for all, forever. Our goal is sovereign Germany, in alliance with the sovereign and equal states of Europe - from the Atlantic to Vladivostok. This was Charles de Gaulle's dream - Europe of sovereign states. However, now we are still very far from this goal. German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble in November 2011 said the following, I quote him verbatim: “After May 8, 1945, and until today, Germany was not a completely sovereign state. At the EU summit on May 23, 2012, the new French president Hollande practically presented the German Chancellor Merkel with a Franco-Dutch ultimatum: to abandon the idea of ​​turning the EU into a political union; to make the euro dependent through the "Eurobonds" - the collective debt obligations of the eurozone. Germany’s answer may be the decisive rejection by Chancellor Merkel of this ultimatum and the acceleration of the crisis in the eurozone - right up to its consolidation under German control, no matter which of them has to be "asked". That is, the transformation of Germany into a single and only emission center for the euro. In this case, the situation would essentially return to 1940: Europe is under German control, not just tanks and other weapons in its traditional sense, but a printing press. A kind of "Fourth Reich." The same coalition in the future - France-Germany-Russia - is also prophesied by the famous American political scientist George Friedman. It is no accident that England, albeit cautiously, spoke through the mouth of the first persons about a possible withdrawal from the European Union.
      http://voprosik.net/pochemu-germaniya-vozvrashhaet-zoloto/
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 29 2013 09: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: Kaa
        Будет бундесмарка, и че?-"Германия начала воссоздавать золотой запас в 1951 году.

        Well, I had no doubt about the practicality of the Germans, they then began to prepare for the abolition of the euro, when that was not in the draft, but the rest, those that do not have so much practicality ...
        1. iliq
          iliq April 29 2013 11: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          began to prepare for the abolition of the euro,

          no one is preparing for anything except a miserable bunch of local Zhirinovsky;)
      2. sergius60
        sergius60 April 29 2013 12: 50 New
        +3
        Oh wise Kaa, insight, objectivity, iron logic! The laws of geopolitics are unshakable ...
      3. UFO
        UFO April 29 2013 13: 01 New
        +3
        Шикарный коммент! Вполне согласуется с мнением немца-блоггера у АНТИ. Не зря Путин строит "особые" отношения с Германией. Немцы всегда были геопротивниками англосраксов( искл.- Наполеон ), но мелкобриты с помощью амерского еврейского капитала победили ВСЕХ! Приходит пора осознания своего положения и у нас и у немцев, надо помочь друг другу освободиться от оккупации "дохлых амерских президентов". yes
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg April 29 2013 13: 02 New
      0
      Quote: svp67
      and even if the euro stands, then all the same for countries that have joined the European Union and have


      The euro will not stand. This is already clear ...
      1. WW3
        WW3 April 29 2013 18: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: Geisenberg
        The euro will not stand. It is already clear

        And the dollar from 16,836 trillion dollars? Here's a real-time counter for the US debt in real time. How fast are the numbers changing?
        http://www.usdebtclock.org/
        More likely, if the German economy does not stand up to the crisis, then the euro will not resist, since it is basically. donor.
  2. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI April 29 2013 08: 02 New
    +5
    Germany the locomotive of EUROPE - naturally, there are many who want to hang all their costs and expenses on GERMANY.
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn April 29 2013 08: 05 New
      10
      Германия сознательно берет на себя издержки - это не благотворительность, а "покупка" новых рынков сбыта, об этом и говорится в статье.
      1. Lech from ZATULINKI
        Lech from ZATULINKI April 29 2013 08: 21 New
        -2
        And they will not tear the navel? -Lead and pants can burst from costs.
  3. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek April 29 2013 08: 06 New
    -2
    tired march Germany feed all of Europe
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 29 2013 08: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Ragnarek
      tired march Germany feed all of Europe

      А тут не известно, что лучше, то что Германия кормит Европу, как это происходит сейчас, или чтобы Европа кормила Германию, как это происходило в период с 1939 по 1944 годы...Может пусть и дальше "устает", все ж нам как то спокойнее... what
  4. fenix57
    fenix57 April 29 2013 08: 59 New
    0
    Yesterday, Great Britain, today Germany, who is next ...
    1. UFO
      UFO April 29 2013 09: 44 New
      +5
      Да вряд-ли кто-то еще. Штатам выгодно именно такое состояние Евро - "ни мира ни войны", такая "зона нестабильности". Здесь доллар кажется более стабильной валютой и привлекает инвестиции, но если евро рухнет, то все ли инвесторы захотят вкладываться в "доляр"? Многие не хотят зависеть от дяди Сэма и уйдут в Китай, Японию, Германскую марку, возможно в Россию, а Штатам это НЕ НАДО. Да и имидж Запада, как благополучного и прогрессивного общества будет подорван очень сильно. Хотя для России лучше если ЕС развалится, по отдельности договариваться проще и играть на их противоречиях, что показал опыт работы Газпрома с Германией, к тому будут "вырваны зубы" у наших недоброжелателей (Польша, Прибалты и др.) Мне думается, что судьба евро зависит от состояния доллара напрямую, а пока - СТАТУС_КВО. hi
  5. ATATA
    ATATA April 29 2013 09: 00 New
    +4
    Although I am half German, I will not express myself entirely in the German spirit.
    For the time being, Germany was profitable for the timeless lending to the southern countries, since they bought goods from German industry on these loans, i.e. gave jobs and wages for German workers.
  6. Per se.
    Per se. April 29 2013 09: 37 New
    +1
    "По его мнению, она должна называться гульденмарка." Лучше, сразу, - рейхсмарка. Германия, которую многие называют локомотивом Евросоюза, думается, может получить то, что Франции и Англии в кошмарном сне не снилось, по сути, - новый Рейх, на обломках ЕС, где добровольно останутся, за сытую жизнь, нужные немцам территории и потенциалы. Если подобное случится, в Европе появится новый вектор силы, более самостоятельный и монолитный, чем нынешний гипертрофированный Евросоюз. Житрожопая Британия и так свой фунт приберегла, не пропадёт, сладкая парочка, Англия и США. Франции останутся все южане, и прочие неудачники. Случатся ли подобные метаморфозы в Европе, время покажет. Лично мне важнее, сможем ли, и, успеем ли мы возродить свой Союз.
  7. Canep
    Canep April 29 2013 10: 11 New
    +5
    If Germany leaves the Eurozone, firstly, it will lead to an outflow of capital from the euro, followed by a fall in the single currency, secondly, the EU itself will bite at the seams, the French will not want to drag the entire European economy, and thirdly, it provokes an economic crisis. And where the capital coming out from under the euro is a question, maybe in the dollar, but I don’t think the Americans have debts like silk, I think in the yuan: Hong Kong, Macau, China itself, maybe something will fall into the ruble.
    1. Simple
      Simple April 29 2013 20: 54 New
      +1
      Canep : "Если Германия выйдет из зоны Евро, то во-первых это приведет к оттоку капитала из евро"

      Right.
      The Eurozone was created in order to increase capital:
      It is not profitable to produce anything in Germany, if possible
      cheaper to produce the same product in another country.
  8. IRBIS
    IRBIS April 29 2013 10: 12 New
    +4
    Не лишним будет вспомнить и то, что в Германии (да и не только в ней) в последнее время усилился рост национализма. Способности немцев решать "национальные вопросы" мы знаем. Зреющее недовольство немцев по поводу Евросоюза и его нахлебников может вылиться в ту самую струю, которая в итоге приведет к возникновению совсем другой Германии.
    1. iliq
      iliq April 29 2013 11: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: IRBIS
      Germany (and not only in it) has recently increased the growth of nationalism.

      so intensified that anti-nationalists beat Natsik in their own demonstrations laughing
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS April 29 2013 15: 57 New
        +1
        В свое время и коммунисты били "коричневых". Сильно били и были уверены, что нацизм не пройдет. Вот только прошло совсем немного лет и переселились они, бившие, в чудные места за "колючкой". А битых пришлось всем миром шесть лет добивать. Вот только тогда Германия "стояла на коленях" после Версальского договора, а сейчас - это экономически могучая держава. Время ее готовности к установлению статус-кво может быть резко сокращено.
        1. iliq
          iliq April 29 2013 16: 11 New
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          Quote: IRBIS
          А битых пришлось всем миром шесть лет добивать. Вот только тогда Германия "стояла на коленях" после Версальского договора, а сейчас - это экономически могучая держава. Время ее готовности к установлению статус-кво может быть резко сокращено.

          I advise all the same to go to Germany for half a year, plunge t.s. in real life - there will be no such horror stories, you will sleep peacefully at night;)
  9. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 29 2013 10: 36 New
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    Ha ha ha if the euro collapses, the European Union collapses and I absolutely do not regret it. Russia will only dance on his grave.
  10. iliq
    iliq April 29 2013 11: 03 New
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    about how, but men don’t know what is so bad in German! laughing

    This party is the same as the party of Zhirinovsky in Russia - a big bunch and PR. no one supports it and does not take it seriously. PR and will be in the same place as the Pirate Party.

    в евросоюзе ожидаемый кризис, вызванный в первую очередь хитропопостью некоторых его членов (Греция - обман в финансовых отчётах при вступлении, Ирландия и Кипр - "низкие налоги"), и достижением точки развития еврозоны, когда надо пересматривать правила игры в этой самой еврозоне.

    p.s. прошу, не надо расписывать Германию как "рулевого" еврозоны - там находятся ещё 16 стран. а для принятия решений надо единогласное голосование - т.е. Германия конечно делает для еврозоны поболее чем остальные - но каждая страна может зарубить любое решение.

    something like that.
  11. Anti
    Anti April 29 2013 11: 22 New
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    A German blogger from Bavaria explains why he feels sympathy for Russia, why all Germans should thank Stalin, why Germany is not sovereign, what problems she has and how to solve them.
    1. iliq
      iliq April 29 2013 11: 27 New
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      Quote: Anti
      German blogger

      I would advise this student only one thing: to go to the Russian Federation for half a year, and go to a Russian school laughing
      1. Anti
        Anti April 29 2013 11: 40 New
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        Quote: iliq
        I would advise this student only one thing: to go to the Russian Federation for half a year, and go to a Russian school

        Yes, he is young, but how he thinks !!!!! good


        Вступительная речь Юргена Эльзэссера к "Конференции по суверенитету Германии", которая состоялась 24 ноября 2012 в Берлине.
        1. iliq
          iliq April 29 2013 11: 53 New
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          Quote: Anti
          Yes, he is young, but how he thinks!

          he will begin to think in a completely different way, as soon as he leaves his mother with a folder with her own money;)

          Quote: Anti
          Jürgen Elsasser

          nirazu not heard.

          Quote: Anti
          Conferences on German sovereignty

          таких "конференций" по Германии тысячи каждую неделю... а ещё всякие кришнаиты, Koffee-Reisen и прочая чепуха.
          1. Anti
            Anti April 29 2013 12: 18 New
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            Quote: iliq
            he will begin to think in a completely different way, as soon as he leaves his mother with a folder with her own money;)


            everything can be.


            Quote: iliq
            nirazu not heard.


            http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCrgen_Els%C3%A4sser

            Quote: iliq
            таких "конференций" по Германии тысячи каждую неделю... а ещё всякие кришнаиты, Koffee-Reisen и прочая чепуха.


            do not confuse advertising trips with conferences of such a scale that are rarely held, or rather this is the first, the second is scheduled for November 2013.
            1. iliq
              iliq April 29 2013 12: 32 New
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              Quote: Anti
              do not confuse promotional trips with conferences of this magnitude

              в "стрелковом клубе" деревенском, "масштаб" поболее будет. я уж промолчу про всякие "антивоенные", "антиядерные", "против выбрасывания продуктов" партии и общественные организации.
              не надо выдавать желамое за действительное - подобных "партий" и "конференций" в Германии очень много, но обычно всё заканчивается жестокой встречей "розовых очков" данных деятелей с жестокой рельностью...

              p.s. а что вам известно и его "народная инициатива против финансового кризиса"? hi
              1. Anti
                Anti April 29 2013 12: 46 New
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                No, I’m not familiar, if you have interest, then here. http://juergenelsaesser.wordpress.com/grundsatzerklaerung/
                1. iliq
                  iliq April 29 2013 12: 53 New
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                  Quote: Anti
                  no no sign

                  ну вот видите - всё просто, данный журналист уже создал пару никому неизвестных "народных инициатив", а тут попал в струю PR-страхов от финансового кризиса...
                  не стоит воспринимать его и данные "инициативы" как что-то серьёзное. в основном там участвуют одни и те же активисты, набивающие себе немного политических очков на "горячих темах".
                  1. Anti
                    Anti April 29 2013 13: 05 New
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                    набивающие себе немного политических очков на "горячих темах".


                    Peter Scholl-Latour too? In any case, the grains are thrown and will sprout.
                    1. iliq
                      iliq April 29 2013 13: 14 New
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                      Quote: Anti
                      Peter Scholl-Latour

                      And who is this?
                      1. Anti
                        Anti April 29 2013 13: 22 New
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                        German military expert and journalist.
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSY1NTHmn5M
                      2. iliq
                        iliq April 29 2013 13: 33 New
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                        Quote: Anti
                        German military expert and journalist.

                        and this is not true - he is a journalist, and no non-military expert;)

                        а вот нарезка и выдёргивание "нужных" фраз из выступлений более-менее известных немецких политиков и общественных деятелей (никак не связанных с данной "инициативой", и рассуждающих при этом на совершенно другие темы и в другом контексте) - говорит о данных "учредителях" многое...
                      3. Anti
                        Anti April 29 2013 14: 19 New
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                        Quote: iliq
                        нарезка и выдёргивание "нужных" фраз из выступлений более-менее известных немецких политиков и общественных деятелей (никак не связанных с данной "инициативой",


                        What is the difference where and when? The main thing these phrases were said, the word is not a sparrow.

                        For many, he is also a military expert.
                      4. iliq
                        iliq April 29 2013 14: 26 New
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                        Quote: Anti
                        What is the difference where and when?

                        further you can not continue.
  12. UFO
    UFO April 29 2013 13: 30 New
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    Замечательно! Немцы еще покажут англосраксам "кузькину мать", думаю французы тоже это понимают( не зря их так торопливо разлагать начали, особенно после сотрудничества снами в военной области ), надо и нам посодействовать правильным процессам в Европе.
    1. iliq
      iliq April 29 2013 13: 34 New
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      Quote: UFO
      especially after collaboration with dreams in the military field

      and where are they cooperating with us?
      1. Anti
        Anti April 29 2013 14: 24 New
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        Quote: iliq
        and where are they cooperating with us?


        http://www.inosmi.ru/europe/20130223/206241390.html
        1. iliq
          iliq April 29 2013 14: 28 New
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          это даже не смешно, "аналитеги" польской бульварной прессы высасывают "жаренную сенсацию" из одного места...
          1. Anti
            Anti April 29 2013 14: 32 New
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            well you can’t guess laughing
            1. iliq
              iliq April 29 2013 14: 34 New
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              да мне не надо угождать - думайте сами, что и где "читаете"...
              1. Anti
                Anti April 29 2013 14: 42 New
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                Это для красного словца на счет угодить,приму Ваш совет на "вооружение" winked
      2. UFO
        UFO April 29 2013 14: 30 New
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        Ну с "вами" они, видимо забыли посотрудничать. repeat In secret - the Germans, too (in the Lower), only quietly. wink
  • kosmos84
    kosmos84 April 29 2013 12: 06 New
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    well done guy (on 10 mines about the border, Poland for two to tear off is not a problem drinks angry
  • Black
    Black April 29 2013 14: 54 New
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    The authors of the document stated that the adoption of the euro currency did not advance the economy of the countries of the European periphery,

    That's interesting, but does anyone believe in general that the Germans, promoting the Euro, thought about the periphery? is it with the German mentality, think about the near and not very close?
    По моему твердому убеждению- евро интеграция, введение единой валюты- именно централизовать ресурсы в фатерлянде. Пример тому- Греция. Государство Греция-не было богатым никогда. А греки были. Их "обсосали" и выплюнули. Так будет со всяким. Боши своего не упустят!
    1. iliq
      iliq April 29 2013 14: 57 New
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      Quote: Chen
      An example of this is Greece. The state of Greece has never been rich. But the Greeks were.

      ну дык наверно и циферьками подтвердите "богатство" греков? ну, чтобы не балаболить? например ВВП Греции на душу населения...

      ps otherwise I’m personally acquainted with some Greeks ...
      p.p.s. после того как расскажете, какими "богатыми" бали греки, вернёмся к вашим фантазиям, построенным на их "богатстве" hi
  • datur
    datur April 29 2013 18: 35 New
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    sin- I am RUSSIAN GERMAN origin! I buy equipment - ONLY of German origin !!! I think so, how much should we feed these freaks /
    1. Hleb
      Hleb April 29 2013 18: 43 New
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      I know ethnic Germans living / living in the USSR / CIS from the cradle, but I haven’t met Russians of German descent. I agree with the German technology (if production), I never disappointed. I don’t know how lately it’s true
      1. datur
        datur April 29 2013 18: 57 New
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        [quote = Gleb] I know ethnic Germans living / living in the USSR / CIS from the cradle, but I haven’t met Russians of German descent. As for the technique (if production) is German, I never disappointed. I don’t know how lately it’s been true !!!
        1. Hleb
          Hleb April 29 2013 19: 04 New
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          hello! vie gates?
    2. iliq
      iliq April 29 2013 20: 20 New
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      Quote: datur
      I buy equipment - ONLY of German origin!

      это где ж такая есть? а то как не раскрутишь "немца" - а там Made in China в лучшем случае bully
  • Simple
    Simple April 29 2013 21: 50 New
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    Quote: iliq
    то как не раскрутишь "немца" - а там Made in China в лучшем случае



    Globalization. Welcome. laughing

    And as for Jürgen Elsesser - he feels the power behind himself, so long ago
    выпровадили-бы с "громкоговорителя"
  • Selevc
    Selevc April 29 2013 22: 18 New
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    Whether they want another “Reich” in Europe is a big question.

    Хороший рейх получился !!! Пока немецкий рабочий (оккупант) напряженно работает - грек или испанец (жертвы агрессии) мирно посапывая, потягивают винцо в кафешке - потому что видите-ли у них сиеста и работать категорически нельзя !!! Да и вцелом работать не рекомендуется !!! А коза-ностре вообще наплевать есть это самое евро или нет - они даже часто забывают что в Италии живут !!! Хорошие картинки из жизни "Современного рейха" :)))